Speaker 1: You'll be like a go me beer. Hey everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grub, your host
Speaker 1: from giant bomb dot com. Thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to be talking about one
Speaker 1: of the year's best games, potentially going to switch to
Speaker 1: and yet another major price increase possibly on the horizon.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one though, because we've got
Speaker 1: Addie epos Vox on the show. Addie, how are you
Speaker 1: doing doing all right?
Speaker 2: How about you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Yeah, yeah, Like I said, I was
Speaker 1: telling you right before we start the show. Busy lots
Speaker 1: going on, but mostly good problems to solve, but happy
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with you. I do have an
Speaker 1: initial question to kick us off. Me and Jan are
Speaker 1: still using our goxlers with that open source interface. Now,
Speaker 1: how much time do we really have left on these things? Honestly,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're good for now.
Speaker 2: You want to change anything or make it better, and
Speaker 2: then you're gonna run into a wall.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, that's that. I do get that sense that
Speaker 1: I think I keep putting it off because I'm like
Speaker 1: I if I want like this has been a nice
Speaker 1: all in one package, but I recognize its limitations and
Speaker 1: from the beginning, uh, and I'm like, if I want
Speaker 1: to do more than this, it is going to be
Speaker 1: a whole other thing I'm gonna have to get into. Uh.
Speaker 1: To be fair, that open source software solved a lot
Speaker 1: of the problems.
Speaker 2: It is great and it's really nice, super stoked. It
Speaker 2: works out of the box on my Linux rig too,
Speaker 2: Like you can just do that's just about whatever with it.
Speaker 2: But it's one of those things like when you first
Speaker 2: get to set up with the gaux Laar, you're like,
Speaker 2: this is amazing, and the second you want, you like
Speaker 2: you start getting that ear to like nitpick things and
Speaker 2: you can't fix anything.
Speaker 1: Uh Huh.
Speaker 2: You realize that it's it's built to do this one
Speaker 2: thing for this one like market, and then that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yep. Absolutely So the reason I asked you
Speaker 1: that question is that's definitely a space that you spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time in, uh, streaming technology and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. What do you tell people a little bit
Speaker 1: about yourself if they're unfamiliar with epos FOS.
Speaker 2: I've been teaching people how to live stream do what
Speaker 2: we're doing and make YouTube videos for about ten years now.
Speaker 2: I've started out doing like obs tutorials, FRAPs tutorials back
Speaker 2: in the day, that kind of stuff, And so mostly
Speaker 2: I teach tech and streaming and content creation, and then
Speaker 2: I have a gaming channel where I do sometimes hopefully
Speaker 2: thoughtful thoughts on retrogaming and like contextualizing where we are
Speaker 2: now and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the overall like ecosystem of
Speaker 1: people making content and streaming and stuff right now? It
Speaker 1: definitely seems, I guess, precarious, but it's been always been precarious.
Speaker 1: But how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: It's a train wreck at the moment. It's one of
Speaker 2: those things where like it's reached kind of critical mass
Speaker 2: in terms of popularity mainstream appeal, and that comes with
Speaker 2: a lot of personality conflicts with you know, it used
Speaker 2: to be the inside thing for geeks or whatever, whereas
Speaker 2: now it's a lot more you get. The people that
Speaker 2: do the popularity contests in any context are very much present,
Speaker 2: and things were going great the past few years. Now
Speaker 2: with everything going on, the economics and the algorithms behind it,
Speaker 2: especially with YouTube's new leadership, are not fun at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean it was always challenging, but now
Speaker 1: it feels like it's almost actively working against a lot
Speaker 1: of people in a lot of ways. It's difficult to
Speaker 1: figure out for sure. All Right though, we got plenty
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Speaker 1: morning mess with. Nearly five years in PS five sales
Speaker 1: remain neck and neck with the PS four. This is
Speaker 1: from Andy Robinson over at VGC. Nearly five years into
Speaker 1: its life, PlayStation five sales remain neck and neck with
Speaker 1: its predecessor PS four, and its latest results covering the
Speaker 1: three months ending March thirty first, twenty twenty five, Sony
Speaker 1: said it's sold two point eight million that's two point
Speaker 1: eight million PlayStation five consoles for a total of eighteen
Speaker 1: point five million for the fiscal year. That is down
Speaker 1: from twenty point eight million in the previous fiscal year.
Speaker 1: That means PS five is now sold seventy seven point
Speaker 1: eight million units total since its launch in November twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: just over one million units behind where the PS four was.
Speaker 1: When you line up the life cycles, basically line up
Speaker 1: the launches there, it's about one million behind. That is,
Speaker 1: you know, statistically basically even addie. The thing here though,
Speaker 1: is Sony does predict it'll sell fewer PlayStation fives through
Speaker 1: the next fiscal year than the PS four did in
Speaker 1: the equivalent time, So it's it. They don't expect it
Speaker 1: to catch up to the PS four at this point,
Speaker 1: and obviously, I think we can point to a million
Speaker 1: reasons why, including something we're gonna have to talk about
Speaker 1: in a moment on the show, prices and price increases.
Speaker 1: I think if people were waiting on the sideline for
Speaker 1: this thing to become more affordable, well they've just given up, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I that's always the kicker with the mid the
Speaker 2: mid console life fan like refresh, the We've we've had
Speaker 2: slim consoles and pro consoles, and with the PS five
Speaker 2: we got the Pro and it did not push prices down,
Speaker 2: and I am I'm very curious how that will affect
Speaker 2: continued adoption rates with regards to like we're seeing we're
Speaker 2: finally seeing that that leap where we're not getting as
Speaker 2: many cross generation games. We're still getting a lot, but
Speaker 2: like they're finally starting to cut off finally in the tail,
Speaker 2: and I think people are going to be holding on
Speaker 2: more than ever. So I'm curious if anyone who is
Speaker 2: flexible enough in their production pipeline that maybe we're going
Speaker 2: to go exclusive for an next gen or fish gin
Speaker 2: where maybe still gonna make a PS four compatible version
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for a lot of developers, they just
Speaker 1: looked around were like, it doesn't make any sense not
Speaker 1: to make this game for PS four. It's plenty powerful
Speaker 1: for what we're doing obviously, right, we're talking about that
Speaker 1: upper etchelon. Maybe it's not the right word, but that
Speaker 1: game that probably shouldn't be compatible with the last gen,
Speaker 1: but still just doing that because it makes sense financially. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go over all the caveats that are
Speaker 1: always important to put out here. The PS five was
Speaker 1: definitely supply constrained early on, so it did fall behind
Speaker 1: the PS four specifically because of that, but then it
Speaker 1: also had a huge amount of demand throughout the pandemic,
Speaker 1: so they were able to make up a lot of
Speaker 1: that during that period of time. I think another caveat
Speaker 1: worth pointing out is, you know, this is the PS
Speaker 1: five sort of boxing against itself because the Xbox is
Speaker 1: not presented much of it much in the way of competition.
Speaker 1: I think the Xbox One Series X is a very
Speaker 1: good console to use. I enjoy it, but everyone no
Speaker 1: one's going around being like, you should definitely get that
Speaker 1: instead of a PS five. When people talk about getting
Speaker 1: a console. If you're out there in the regular, regular
Speaker 1: audience and you say, what should I get, everyone's pointing
Speaker 1: you to a PS five. So there's a lot it
Speaker 1: feels that there should be like a lot of like
Speaker 1: tailwind pushing the PS five ahead, and yet it's kind
Speaker 1: of just even with the PS four. Do you think
Speaker 1: part of that is this sort of macro trend. Sure,
Speaker 1: us nerds who grew up with this stuff are showing
Speaker 1: up and we are spending a lot of money on it,
Speaker 1: and when we're a big enough audience that these corporations
Speaker 1: can't ignore us, But we're not necessarily being replaced by
Speaker 1: a lot of younger people kind of playing games in
Speaker 1: the same way we are.
Speaker 2: I really think that's it. I'll point to your own
Speaker 2: video about the Xbox price increases, where you know it's
Speaker 2: very much they are out of new people to sell
Speaker 2: consoles too, for the most part, and convincing you to
Speaker 2: upgrade over their previous version with the price increases. I
Speaker 2: think they know that it's not a compelling offer in
Speaker 2: all situations. And you mentioned like if you the Xbox
Speaker 2: versus PlayStation, if you tell a normal person buy a console,
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, for the past few years, it's just
Speaker 2: been Switch like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's been harder to have that conversation when
Speaker 2: you are talking to someone who wants the big bombastic
Speaker 2: on your big TV games. But realistically, like the console
Speaker 2: offering from the Switch has been so compelling at some
Speaker 2: such an affordable price that we're seeing so much shift
Speaker 2: to Switch and PC instead of Switch versus PlayStation versus Xbox.
Speaker 2: That to me, it is very impressive. With the stock
Speaker 2: shortages that we had early on, with how much like
Speaker 2: every conversation was I really want to PlayStation five and
Speaker 2: I cannot find one that it caught up as much
Speaker 2: as they did. Like that, that speaks a lot to
Speaker 2: not only was the demand there, but they kept people
Speaker 2: like fed enough that they kept coming back. They didn't
Speaker 2: just go elsewhere. And maybe that speaks to how not
Speaker 2: compelling the Xbox offering was was that people could not
Speaker 2: get PlayStations and they just waited until they could. And
Speaker 2: I think people still waiting, like you said, for the
Speaker 2: for the price to drop, especially with the Pro coming out,
Speaker 2: you kind of would expect it to happen. You're not
Speaker 2: getting that, and the Pro is just not where people
Speaker 2: are going to buy a console these days price wise,
Speaker 2: I just it's it's really hard. I want to see
Speaker 2: more people getting into gaming. I want to see, yes,
Speaker 2: a hobby spread like that. That's why we do what
Speaker 2: we do. We talk about these things. But I also
Speaker 2: I can't convince someone to go spend six hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for a single game to then spend you know, a
Speaker 2: few hundred other dollars into the other. Like it's it's
Speaker 2: a really hard standing point. Games are incredible, but it's
Speaker 2: like if you're not there already, how do you get
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: It's a really high barrier to entry, I think, higher
Speaker 1: than ever, and uh, it might continue to get worse. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the price increases that have already happened are are are noticeable.
Speaker 1: The you know you talk about the Pro, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that was such an inflection point where like last generation
Speaker 1: we got the PS four Pro and it was very
Speaker 1: much like this. I remember talking to someone from Sony
Speaker 1: who basically just said, like, this is a way for
Speaker 1: us to keep the price where it was at launch.
Speaker 1: We're just going to replace the original PS four with this,
Speaker 1: and and you know it's it's for a smaller audience.
Speaker 1: But that most hardcore audience, the one that would pay
Speaker 1: we we know has paid this price before, pay it
Speaker 1: again for something that's significantly better. It's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it everything. You know, the whole stack moves down.
Speaker 1: And then the PS four standard went on to sell
Speaker 1: very well after that point for the rest of the generation.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've come to a point where that's
Speaker 1: obviously not happening. And I think, you know, tariffs aside,
Speaker 1: we'll talk, but there's more. There's tariffs to talk about
Speaker 1: here as part of the news because stuff continues to
Speaker 1: move there and Nintendo's talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you know, before the tariffs, like we were getting
Speaker 1: price increases. Before the tariffs, we were not seeing any
Speaker 1: more price cuts, So that was just becoming the norm.
Speaker 1: A lot of that is just the way that these
Speaker 1: the components seem to be sourced, don't really lend themselves
Speaker 1: to this, to the way of cutting prices the way
Speaker 1: they once did. Another part is I think these companies
Speaker 1: have realized that this audience will kind of pay more
Speaker 1: and more and more and keep showing up because we
Speaker 1: don't feel like we can go anywhere. I think I
Speaker 1: have retreated to PC and switch in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But I'm still getting these consoles the most part. And
Speaker 1: I know that that sort of stubbornness is a big
Speaker 1: part of the way we all play games, and I
Speaker 1: think they're just taking advantage of that. So it's those
Speaker 1: two factors of you know them. The way they make
Speaker 1: things doesn't necessarily lend itself to cutting prices, and they
Speaker 1: know they can really come for us because we're not
Speaker 1: going to go away if the price goes up ten
Speaker 1: to thirty percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and platform hopping is just a hard concept for
Speaker 2: a lot of people to get. Like I think if
Speaker 2: it were easier, if games were inherently just cross platform,
Speaker 2: like you bought a license and you could play it
Speaker 2: wherever or whatever, it would be a more compelling offering.
Speaker 2: But if you already have a massive PlayStation library, especially
Speaker 2: with the backwards compatibility that has been pushed forward from
Speaker 2: PS four to PS five, you can't just abandon that,
Speaker 2: Like you if you're trying to convince someone to stop
Speaker 2: buying it, it's like, Okay, I have fifteen twenty thirty,
Speaker 2: two hundred. However, many games you have across both platforms
Speaker 2: and will continue to be playable forward, you want me
Speaker 2: to rebuy those, and like you can keep your older console,
Speaker 2: but that means you're still not getting any money towards
Speaker 2: your like your new system, be at Xbox or PC
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like, people get really locked in now on
Speaker 2: the platform, Whereas it felt like, especially with how cheap
Speaker 2: games could get in earlier generations, it was a lot
Speaker 2: easier for people to just like dump their console. Like
Speaker 2: I remember working a game stop and people would just
Speaker 2: bring in like their PS one and their PS two
Speaker 2: and just dump their whole library and jump over to
Speaker 2: Xbox for a little bit, and then they dump their
Speaker 2: because they could get whatever games they wanted to grab
Speaker 2: for like five or ten bucks, and the consoles were
Speaker 2: just everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a double edged sort of like
Speaker 2: there are a lot of cool games I think we'll
Speaker 2: talk about in a minute that are coming up for
Speaker 2: PlayStation that will be compelling, but there are so many
Speaker 2: premium experiences you can get right now on a home
Speaker 2: console in terms of the big budget games that are compelling,
Speaker 2: but they don't feel like if you try to sell
Speaker 2: upsell a PlayStation five pro and you're like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can get better graphics higher framewrates whatever, it doesn't feel compelling.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you try to sell
Speaker 2: someone now on a PS four, if they've been in
Speaker 2: the weeds, and because that used to be the thing
Speaker 2: is like okay, you know, we're we're not gonna do
Speaker 2: the Xbox quote. But like, if you don't want a
Speaker 2: PS three right now, grab a PS two for fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: You've got so many games to play forever. But now
Speaker 2: there's so much bigger, like Fomo for the new the
Speaker 2: new Doom, the new Death Stranding, the new Ghosts of Yota,
Speaker 2: like there is you're missing out on a lot more,
Speaker 2: it feels like, and so even though you can't upsell anymore,
Speaker 2: no one wants to go like, no one wants to
Speaker 2: settle for less either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a kind of a miserable position in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways where it's like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the business model of gaming has really encroached on
Speaker 1: the enjoyment of gaming in a lot of ways, and
Speaker 1: that's been very frustrating. As you point out, let's see
Speaker 1: here there is a bunch of games. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 1: it is, Okay, Ghost of Yota Marathon. What else did
Speaker 1: they have for this year. Oh yes, Death Stranding two
Speaker 1: is coming out soon, and then they were looking forward
Speaker 1: to a big pup with GT six. Obviously that's moved
Speaker 1: the next year, and then Intergalactic is a couple of
Speaker 1: years off. That's the new one from Naughty Dogs. They
Speaker 1: got plenty of stuff that should be getting people's attention,
Speaker 1: but nothing really is going to change the story probably
Speaker 1: until GTA six really maybe Intergalactic all right. Sticking with
Speaker 1: this general theme, PS five could get more expensive as
Speaker 1: Sony considers plans to deal with tariff impact. This is
Speaker 1: from Darren BoNT Use at GameSpot. Sony is bracing itself
Speaker 1: for a six hundred and eighty million dollar impact from
Speaker 1: US tariffs, and to compensate for those potential losses, the
Speaker 1: PlayStation manufacturer might pass the increasing cost to its customers.
Speaker 1: During the company's earnings call, Sony CFO Lindau told investors
Speaker 1: that price increases on its hardware are being considered. Although
Speaker 1: PS five console was not mentioned specifically, CEO Herokayu Totoke
Speaker 1: did mention that PS five comp so manufacturing could be
Speaker 1: moved to the US. Most of its consul are Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: said could be. That's crazy. It won't be most of
Speaker 1: its consoles are produced in China and are subject to
Speaker 1: a thirty percent tariff for now, as this would be
Speaker 1: an efficient strategy to avoid being caught in the crossfire
Speaker 1: of US President Donald Trump's tariffs. Yeah, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: So this is something I think we kind of knew
Speaker 1: when those worldwide price increases happened, things that weren't necessarily
Speaker 1: directly related to the tariff, although I think that was
Speaker 1: definitely in mind when they were raising the prices in
Speaker 1: just about every other territory other than the United States,
Speaker 1: and they were just waiting on raising the price here
Speaker 1: because they didn't know exactly how much to raise the
Speaker 1: price by because the tariffs were such a moving target.
Speaker 1: They are still although we're in this weird ninety day
Speaker 1: holding period where the tariffs are only you know, quote
Speaker 1: unquote only thirty percent on China. So yeah, I still
Speaker 1: think a price increase for the PS five is incoming
Speaker 1: for the United States, which is just another thing that
Speaker 1: is going to make it more difficult to keep up
Speaker 1: with the PS four obviously and put up those barriers
Speaker 1: of entry that we were talking about.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So I got a question for you. Yeah, Shoot,
Speaker 2: do you think The shift to focus on game pass
Speaker 2: and PlayStation Plus subscriptions instead of purely hardware sales or
Speaker 2: like purely like fit and direct game sales is having
Speaker 2: a negative impact here because used to it was always
Speaker 2: you sell the hardware at a loss, make it up
Speaker 2: in games. But they are now doing games at a
Speaker 2: loss through the subscription effectively and not being able to
Speaker 2: subsidize it as much. Do you think we're seeing like
Speaker 2: a weird almost feedback loop of they cut their funding
Speaker 2: for their hardware here and now they're having to make
Speaker 2: it up. But then if they're not selling the hardware,
Speaker 2: they're not going to sell the games on the hardware. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think that, Like they notice the pressure
Speaker 1: from from that game sale subscription side a little bit
Speaker 1: when they are pricing the hardware. I think you're right
Speaker 1: that is feeding back in to a certain extent. Now
Speaker 1: you know the way those subscriptions work, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: probably do come out positive in terms of average lifetime
Speaker 1: value per user where they are looking like down the line,
Speaker 1: but in the moment, at any given time, they are
Speaker 1: definitely worried about, well, this could slip in a direction
Speaker 1: that is going to make it feel like we're going
Speaker 1: to take a hit, so we have to keep everything
Speaker 1: floating as high as it possibly can in terms of
Speaker 1: our average retail price or whatever. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's definitely a part of it. I think that these
Speaker 1: companies are also just they are looking twenty years into
Speaker 1: the future and being like that is a big unknown
Speaker 1: in terms of are we going to be able to
Speaker 1: make the shift to whatever gaming is going to look
Speaker 1: like when a lot of these console gamers are aging
Speaker 1: out at a certain point, And so we have to
Speaker 1: make as much money now as we possibly can to
Speaker 1: be able to weather any possible transition that we're not
Speaker 1: prepared for. So yeah, and you know that. Then we
Speaker 1: speak to Sony's other businesses, which are you know, not
Speaker 1: in shambles, but they're definitely a lot of them are
Speaker 1: in much rougher shape than PlayStation. So PlayStation has to
Speaker 1: sort of lift that entire ship at a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of points, so it has to make as
Speaker 1: much money as possible. Now, the good news there for
Speaker 1: them is it is making a lot of money. It's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they did report their earnings. It was like
Speaker 1: two point eight billion dollars in profits essentially operating income
Speaker 1: and that's like, that's really really good. That gets up
Speaker 1: like almost fifty percent, around forty five percent from last year.
Speaker 1: So they are figuring things out in terms of making money.
Speaker 1: But I think they continue to be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're leaving a lot on the table because we
Speaker 1: don't have the big live service game or whatever. And
Speaker 1: in the meantime, we're not going to take any hits
Speaker 1: that we don't have to, and these people keep showing
Speaker 1: up for our console at this price, we should just
Speaker 1: keep it as high as we can. And a lot
Speaker 1: of that is also strategic positioning, right, so when the
Speaker 1: PS six does come out, they can compare that to
Speaker 1: the current price of whatever the PS five will be
Speaker 1: at that time, and then when they need to charge
Speaker 1: charge seven hundred dollars for the base version of that,
Speaker 1: it feels more justified. So there's just a lot of
Speaker 1: angles that they're considering, and price increases feel like they
Speaker 1: were always on the table even before the tariffs. Now
Speaker 1: they feel like a guarantee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, will we get our E three moment where then
Speaker 2: Xbox comes out on the stage and says two ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I think they will go even more expensive at this point.
Speaker 1: That's that's the actual new E three moment that we get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see here. Yeah, let's do this next
Speaker 1: one because it's still on this topic. US slashes tariffs
Speaker 1: on Chinese small parcels to thirty percent. This is from
Speaker 1: Oscar anton On Docale from Game Reactor the latest news
Speaker 1: on the United States and China. The United States has
Speaker 1: recently announced a significant reduction to its deminimous tariff on
Speaker 1: low value Chinese shipments, lowering to thirty lowering it to
Speaker 1: thirty percent for direct to consumer postal packages. So this
Speaker 1: is the thing that makes like things like Chian and
Speaker 1: what's what's the big one that everyone led the cheap
Speaker 1: team team Tamu. Thank you. Yes, things like Tamu work
Speaker 1: because people can buy you know, up to like eight
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of stuff and it was not necessarily
Speaker 1: going to be hit by many, if any tariffs coming
Speaker 1: into the United States as long as it was shipped
Speaker 1: as a small parcel that enable those business models to
Speaker 1: have very very aggressive profit margins, and people love that stuff.
Speaker 1: Thirty percent is still a lot. They're just you know,
Speaker 1: we say they're cutting it. It was a you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five percent or something like that,
Speaker 1: so I guess it is a cut from that. But
Speaker 1: this is this is good news for kind of everything
Speaker 1: that you can that they might ship from China. That's
Speaker 1: not going to necessarily be a PIS five because those
Speaker 1: are going to come over on large freighters and and
Speaker 1: things like that. But you know, your FPGA consoles and
Speaker 1: things like that, you're you're misters, those might be able
Speaker 1: to skirt by with just a you know again, quote
Speaker 1: unquote just eight thirty percent tariff. So that's some good news,
Speaker 1: but it's a ninety day pause. This stuff could change
Speaker 1: as well. Boy, I'm addie, I'm glad I'm not in
Speaker 1: one in the business of trying to make hardware in
Speaker 1: China and bring it to the United States as my
Speaker 1: small business. A lot of those guys I just completely admire.
Speaker 1: They're doing such cool stuff. I wish they didn't have
Speaker 1: to deal with this. What do you think the future
Speaker 1: of those kinds of businesses are?
Speaker 2: That's honestly what I worry about. Everyone focuses on the
Speaker 2: Ali Express, the Timu, the whatever, and like, sure, we
Speaker 2: could all do without those in our lives. Like yes, fine,
Speaker 2: but it's the it's the like you said, the small
Speaker 2: business is like the retro tink, Like everyone was up
Speaker 2: in arms about the retrodink four case price, and then
Speaker 2: there was a cheaper one that was eventually made. They
Speaker 2: can't keep getting made cheaper when these things keep happening.
Speaker 2: And then even the individual like macrospace, like Ada Fruit
Speaker 2: and all of these places where you get like raspberry
Speaker 2: pie boards and like your own components to build stuff.
Speaker 2: These have been dirt cheap because of the pretty flexible
Speaker 2: policies so far, and it will be a mostly unsustainable
Speaker 2: business model at this point because if you need to
Speaker 2: pay an extra thirty or one hundred and forty percent
Speaker 2: for what was a thirty part for your little build,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to do that or scale that.
Speaker 2: And I'm I obviously eventually these things will be figured out,
Speaker 2: but I worry how much we're gonna lose along the
Speaker 2: way of businesses that just can't sit it out for
Speaker 2: this long. Like I really worry about that space because
Speaker 2: we could we could all say buy to Timu and
Speaker 2: live better, but you know we may not get especially
Speaker 2: in the in the retro gaming scenes, so many products
Speaker 2: are made from custom design PCBs printed chiefly in China,
Speaker 2: import it over even if they're open source, Like there's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of retro stuff that's open source, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but you're still gonna go to what,
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the website, one of those
Speaker 2: websites that lets you just like print your own PCBs.
Speaker 2: You upload the specs and you print it. Like you're
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to do that affordably anymore, Like
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's that's where I'm worried the most about,
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be really hard. Thankfully, the
Speaker 2: community driven stuff where it's you know your your local game,
Speaker 2: you know your your smaller game. Business stuff is very
Speaker 2: You can do big group buys, you can everyone can wait,
Speaker 2: like especially when it's not that person's full time job,
Speaker 2: like theoretically they can wait to ship stuff and everyone
Speaker 2: can just hold out on the pre orders, like we
Speaker 2: all know what's going on. But anyone trying to just
Speaker 2: sell it to like bigger sellers and get it like
Speaker 2: shipped on a bigger scale is screwed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I might have told the story on
Speaker 1: the show before we went on our break, but I
Speaker 1: got the flippy drive thing. Yeah, and I was able
Speaker 1: to like, my order got delayed and that this is
Speaker 1: a basically an optical drive emulator that were all for
Speaker 1: the GameCube everybody, and it's the one I ordered was
Speaker 1: delayed way into August. And then I read their blog
Speaker 1: post about how they are going to be hit pretty
Speaker 1: hard by the tariffs and they're trying not to pass
Speaker 1: that cost onto anyone who's already pre ordered. So they
Speaker 1: basically cut a bunch of contractors that were helping them
Speaker 1: fulfill orders, and there was just the two of them
Speaker 1: doing everything seven days a week, pretty much NonStop. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that's so they're already doing as much
Speaker 1: as they possibly can. There is no more fat left
Speaker 1: to cut off if they you know, if one minor
Speaker 1: tragedy happens, it could it could just be done. And
Speaker 1: so you're right, like, I worry about losing these companies
Speaker 1: in this period of chaos. And we get to the other
Speaker 1: side and you're right, things do get figured out, Things
Speaker 1: go back to some sense of normal, maybe if we're lucky,
Speaker 1: and then we look back and be like, man, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of cool companies doing a lot of
Speaker 1: cool stuff, just because they're super passionate about it have
Speaker 1: gone away and we're gonna lose a ton Like we
Speaker 1: were kind of we were like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a golden era of the kinds of projects, and so.
Speaker 2: Like twenty seventeen until like twenty twenty three when things
Speaker 2: started getting funky, was just like this incredible golden age
Speaker 2: of all these retro projects, and I just, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: still waiting on my flippy drive and I've just kind
Speaker 2: of made peace with the fact that I may not.
Speaker 1: Get it exactly. Yeah, I was able to have to
Speaker 1: be okay. I just like reached out and like, does
Speaker 1: anyone have one extra one? And someone sent me this one,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got an installed. It's great. I love it.
Speaker 1: I wish everyone it could have one. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's actually, you know what, let's take a break. There's
Speaker 1: one more tariff story after this from a nintend but
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. We'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about that right after this. This episode of Giant
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Speaker 1: watching Game mess Mornings. Let's get back into the news.
Speaker 1: Let's see here switch to news with Nintendo warning of
Speaker 1: substantial negative impact from tariffs. This is from Eddie McCoo
Speaker 1: at GameSpot. Basically, short version of this is, you know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about PlayStation mentioning what they think their
Speaker 1: exposure to tariffs is going to be something around six
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollars dollars. I think that number was.
Speaker 1: Nintendo is kind of saying something something similar. They're saying
Speaker 1: several tens of billions of yen, and so every ten
Speaker 1: billion yin is worth sixty seven million dollars. So they're talking,
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty million dollars plus basically,
Speaker 1: and it very well could be a lot more. Now.
Speaker 1: When for a Kyawa was talking about this, Addie, it
Speaker 1: was during they're saying they did that calculation when they
Speaker 1: were expecting Chinese tariffs to be one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five percent. Once again, they are at least temporarily down
Speaker 1: the thirty percent, and so that will change things quite
Speaker 1: a bit. But as you know, I do, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to insist on keeping on reminding people thirty percent
Speaker 1: is high on its own. When we were first talking
Speaker 1: about tariffs, we were like, man, that'd be crazy. I've
Speaker 1: went up to thirty percent. So now here we are
Speaker 1: kind of being grateful that it's down to thirty percent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these companies are just going to have to continue to
Speaker 1: navigate this chaos, right that that means we all are.
Speaker 1: But especially if you're trying to watch your new system
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, like you just have no choice
Speaker 1: at a certain point but to pull the rip.
Speaker 2: Cord, right, Yeah, like you're and I think especially when
Speaker 2: you're this close to release and it's a whole new
Speaker 2: system and whatever, you're not gonna try to try to
Speaker 2: wiggle through the lines of like, all right, this this month,
Speaker 2: that's thirty percent. Next month, that's two hundred. Like you're
Speaker 2: just gonna go for the biggest number you think that
Speaker 2: you can. It's gonna be that will help you absorb it.
Speaker 2: And like we're even if it gets whittled down to
Speaker 2: thirty for a bit, like you're still gonna be eating
Speaker 2: the one hundred and forty five percent projection, Like it's
Speaker 2: that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yep, so it's uh. I think this is also Nintendo
Speaker 1: keeping price increases on the table. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: increase prices after the tariffs were initially announced. They've now
Speaker 1: said multiple times that they weren't taking into consideration these
Speaker 1: Trump tariffs as they you know, when people ask them
Speaker 1: about it, it's like these tariffs that people were talking about,
Speaker 1: now we never even thought about these. We're thinking about
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. It's like, yeah, for sure, I
Speaker 1: get that, because you have to be able to say
Speaker 1: when you increase the price later, it's because of these tariffs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I guess if excuse me, if
Speaker 1: this price does go up, when do you think that
Speaker 1: could happen? How much do you think it would be? Like?
Speaker 1: What can they get away with here?
Speaker 2: I don't know how they get away with much more, honestly.
Speaker 1: Right, it's already it feels already maxed out in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Right, Like getting the switch spread so much after they
Speaker 2: had their own supply chain issues at the start too,
Speaker 2: but like they spread so much because everyone could get them.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the same thing with the Wii,
Speaker 2: like you could every household could have one or two
Speaker 2: Wi's because they were everywhere and that is how they
Speaker 2: built up this base, and I don't think trying to
Speaker 2: milk them for a six hundred dollars handheld is going
Speaker 2: to work out. I don't they what I have been expecting,
Speaker 2: especially with the games lineup they they've shown off so far,
Speaker 2: which is lacking some major heavy hitters. Is I think
Speaker 2: they are banking on cranking it up as far as
Speaker 2: they could go. I can't imagine like six hundred would
Speaker 2: be the cap, like who's who's gonna buy it after
Speaker 2: that point? Like right, But as they project towards that direction,
Speaker 2: I think they're banking on the core like true Nintendo
Speaker 2: fan boys and for lack of a better word, and
Speaker 2: the people who are going to be really invested in
Speaker 2: the social ecosystem because they they're the big bacon game
Speaker 2: is Mario Kart. They've got all these the webcam accessories.
Speaker 2: They're cranking up the pricing on the accessories already, like
Speaker 2: they want that person that is going to do the
Speaker 2: social stuff, which will help spread word of mouth, help
Speaker 2: pressure friends into getting in on the fun, and buy
Speaker 2: up all of the accessories to kind of add in
Speaker 2: some of that extra buffer and then whenever they do
Speaker 2: have the next big like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, whatever, that's
Speaker 2: when they'll start playing with the price a little bit
Speaker 2: to be like, all right, for this launch, let's try
Speaker 2: to get you actually in the door now that you've
Speaker 2: seen all your friends playing Mario or and then they
Speaker 2: have the new download feature like the DS had, where
Speaker 2: like you can start sharing it a little bit, so
Speaker 2: like they're they're I think they're they're setting up a
Speaker 2: interesting maneuver to know that they're not selling every single
Speaker 2: child bearing household a switch like they did before, but
Speaker 2: that they're gonna play at the seeds so that it
Speaker 2: becomes a desirable thing. And then whenever the truly compelling
Speaker 2: game tool whatever hits suddenly we'll see one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: off and it'll still be way more than you'd ever
Speaker 2: thought you'd pay for it. But it's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can't get that. I can get up bundle with an
Speaker 2: extra controller.
Speaker 1: Hm m yep. I think they're going to try to
Speaker 1: play around with pricing in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: and right I think they're going to be you know,
Speaker 1: for lack of better word, I think dynamic with the pricing,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have dynamic dynamic pricing for as much
Speaker 1: as you can get away with with the console. That is,
Speaker 1: you know, been something that they've been sort of scared
Speaker 1: to do in the past. I think these last this
Speaker 1: last generation where pricing has been a little bit more likely.
Speaker 1: Is this going to go up? And then it does?
Speaker 1: And then and then it's the consoles tend to keep
Speaker 1: selling as much as they can after that. I think
Speaker 1: these companies are maybe a little bit emboldened and that
Speaker 1: could easily bite them, but so far it hasn't. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. That will probably see them be
Speaker 1: malleable with how they present the price. A lot of
Speaker 1: that will come down to, hey, does it have a
Speaker 1: packing game or does in it? And then you know
Speaker 1: how much trial do the subscription right exactly? And then
Speaker 1: they could just kind of move things up and down
Speaker 1: based on how they are packaging it with other stuff.
Speaker 1: But when you do the math, you're like, hmm, this
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit of a price increase, and
Speaker 1: it actually turns out to be exactly that.
Speaker 2: I do wonder how it will affect the the smaller excuse,
Speaker 2: the light version, the two DS, the O lead possible
Speaker 2: upgrade model. Like, I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 2: are going to have originally at least expected these additional
Speaker 2: models that we got with the Switch one and prior systems,
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if that will even be a viable
Speaker 2: option because at this point, yeah, well what a switch
Speaker 2: to O lead costs? Like theoretically they could have that
Speaker 2: ready from the start because they just swapped the screen out,
Speaker 2: but like what would that look like at this point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean they probably pomp another fifty dollars
Speaker 1: on top of their right and at least at least
Speaker 1: that would be so be five hundred and five fifty,
Speaker 1: you know, but with a game or something like that
Speaker 1: that that looks really rough on a store shelf. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I Nintendo loves doing that. That is way too again,
Speaker 1: like you know the way the PS four Pro and
Speaker 1: the PS five Pro we were talking about earlier. Oh,
Speaker 1: these people that we know show up. It's a good
Speaker 1: way to get us to buy stuff again. But so
Speaker 1: you're right, though, that does feel more challenging this time around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt when I was watching the original direct
Speaker 2: for the Switch to I was really since they obviously
Speaker 2: didn't have the price in it. I spent the whole
Speaker 2: thing really confused, because it felt like, for the first time,
Speaker 2: Nintendo was worried about steam Deck. Like if you look
Speaker 2: at the kind of games they presented in the like
Speaker 2: massive lineup, you look at the extra features, the focus
Speaker 2: on specs, like, it felt not Nintendo in many ways,
Speaker 2: and it felt like they were looking over their shoulder
Speaker 2: a lot at the steam Deck, which I felt like
Speaker 2: they did not need to do. I felt like, that's
Speaker 2: that's very not Nintendo. And I've always said, as much
Speaker 2: as I love steam Deck and this new generation of
Speaker 2: PC handhelds, Nintendo has got nothing to worry about. But
Speaker 2: then the price hits and it's like, maybe that's why,
Speaker 2: Like maybe they've known they couldn't get the price down
Speaker 2: even before all of this, and they kind of have
Speaker 2: to worry about steam Deck now in terms of a
Speaker 2: compelling price. And obviously we'll probably see seam Deck price
Speaker 2: increases too, We'll probably see whatever. Yeah, the valve will
Speaker 2: be more likely to eat it in the short term
Speaker 2: at least, But I think maybe they really did need
Speaker 2: to be scared of the steam Deck because hardware compelling wise,
Speaker 2: like price wise, it's just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the narrative that people can tell themselves, right,
Speaker 1: it's changed a little bit with that price. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they immediately became became like, yeah, we are going
Speaker 1: to have to compare this to the Steam deck in
Speaker 1: order to sort of make this price make sense. It does.
Speaker 1: It seem like a pretty good deal when you compared
Speaker 1: to some of these PC handhelds in some ways, but
Speaker 1: like that is the comparison point. So if those PC
Speaker 1: handhelds began making moves, Nintendo could easily look out of
Speaker 1: touch again. Now that is going to be for a
Speaker 1: very a narrower audience is, but it is still the
Speaker 1: story I immediately went to for sure, all right, sticky
Speaker 1: with Switch to a little bit. Best Buy confirms that
Speaker 1: some select stores will have Switch to stock on release night.
Speaker 1: This is from Jack Valentine at Dual Shockers. Basically, for
Speaker 1: the unlucky gamers who haven't been able to pick up
Speaker 1: a Nintendo Switch to pre order, you can test your
Speaker 1: luck at participating Best Buy locations. An email from the
Speaker 1: retailer says that they will have limited inventory of the
Speaker 1: Nintendo Switch two systems, games and accessories. It is unclear
Speaker 1: if they will have both Nintendo Switch to skews available Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this was just sort of announced. It does feel
Speaker 1: like these companies do have quite a bit of switch
Speaker 1: to stock that they were able to put into the
Speaker 1: pre orders system. And now as they get another wave,
Speaker 1: Best Buy is going to do, you know, hey, come
Speaker 1: to the store at midnight and try to get one.
Speaker 1: Other people will be picking up their pre orders, will
Speaker 1: have a few more there. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be another thing where people will probably have
Speaker 1: to line up and test their chances, as this is saying,
Speaker 1: But it does feel like they got quite a bit
Speaker 1: of a switch into the supply chain. I'm kind of surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Best Buy consistently, like this has been a thing
Speaker 2: with a lot of electronics, Like they've consistently been the
Speaker 2: one that like you can kind of sneak in and
Speaker 2: get other stuff, Like there's this camera that I've been
Speaker 2: trying to order forever that is now completely not chipping
Speaker 2: to the US because of tariffs, but it was like
Speaker 2: impossible to find in any camera store whatsoever. But a
Speaker 2: lot of people were having luck talking to Best Buys
Speaker 2: like support chat and being like like verifying that they're
Speaker 2: a real person, they're using it for personal use, they're
Speaker 2: not trying to resell it and like actually getting some
Speaker 2: extra preorders, and it's like they seem to have a
Speaker 2: pretty consistent line on a lot of electronics for a
Speaker 2: pretty good pre order stock that a lot of stores
Speaker 2: are not able to keep up with, which is quite surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Best Buy is the one that came out looking
Speaker 1: good of the pre order and Nintendo switch to thing, right,
Speaker 1: that's the one everyone was like, at least this one
Speaker 1: seemed to work somewhat okay. Yeah, well I hope that continues.
Speaker 1: To hope everyone's able to just get their systems right
Speaker 1: at midnight like they're hoping, and then I hope that
Speaker 1: some people who haven't been able to get a pre
Speaker 1: order are able to go to these midnight launches and
Speaker 1: get one that sounds like fun. Right now, I'm like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out my schedule with the summer game
Speaker 1: FESTIM like, where am I actually going to be in
Speaker 1: LA on the fifth? I think I probably will be,
Speaker 1: but we'll see, all right. Sandfall Interactive is not ruling
Speaker 1: out a switch to release of Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three.
Speaker 1: This is from Jonas Mackie, a game reactor. Hardly a
Speaker 1: day has passed since Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three was
Speaker 1: released without us having a reason to return to this
Speaker 1: fantastic role playing game that has managed to charm both
Speaker 1: critics and gamers. It's out now for PC, PlayStation five,
Speaker 1: and Xbox Series X and S, and it's also included
Speaker 1: with game Pass. Sales have been very good, but releasing
Speaker 1: Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three to more formats would still
Speaker 1: open up even better results, and maybe that's something French
Speaker 1: developers Sandfall is considering. In a video interview hosted by
Speaker 1: Mister MV studio head Gilame Broch says, and this is
Speaker 1: translated by MP first, well, at this point, considering the
Speaker 1: success of the game, it kind of changes everything. So
Speaker 1: clearly it's too early to say, but we're kind of
Speaker 1: in a situation where, let's say that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities showing up way too many at once,
Speaker 1: and we're figuring out what we'll go for and what
Speaker 1: we won't. But yeah, it's definitely something that could be interesting. Basically,
Speaker 1: and that was in response to putting the game out
Speaker 1: on switch to This feels like the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that like when a game pops off like this, it
Speaker 1: does get the port treatment a little bit faster. I
Speaker 1: think I'm trying to think, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: it was. This isn't exactly a port, but like when
Speaker 1: Cyberpunk was kind of having its reinvigoration and they like
Speaker 1: got it ready for the Steam Deck right away, It's
Speaker 1: like they do that because they know if they do that,
Speaker 1: it'll pay off. This feels like a similar thing where
Speaker 1: if they get this thing on on the Switch to
Speaker 1: it's clearly going to pay off. Those audiences feel like
Speaker 1: they would mesh really well.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I mean JRPGs and handheld's go hand
Speaker 2: in hand. Yes, even on the PSP. I've just picked
Speaker 2: up Final Fantasy one and two for the PSB because
Speaker 2: these covers were incredible visual novel games, and JRPGs are
Speaker 2: just handheld matches, so it's perfect fit. Obviously, galing the
Speaker 2: game to the Switch too will be questionable until we
Speaker 2: see how it handles everything else, with all the U
Speaker 2: five things that have been talked to death, but it
Speaker 2: would be dumb not to at this point, like that's
Speaker 2: potential gamers to tap, although how many people will have
Speaker 2: the Switch too is up for debate, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: it is a market that you're getting a lot of
Speaker 2: money get your game to more people.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think for the Switch one and it's launch,
Speaker 1: there was this huge opportunity if you were the game
Speaker 1: there that people were talking about Golf Story. Right. Everyone
Speaker 1: bought Golf Story because it was just one of those
Speaker 1: games that was there and it's a really good game,
Speaker 1: but it was there and people noticed it and it
Speaker 1: was able to capitalize on that. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more crowded on the Switch too, right,
Speaker 1: you probably still want to be there because if you
Speaker 1: are going to be one of these games that becomes
Speaker 1: like one of the chosen ones, and you know, it
Speaker 1: feels like Cyberpunk is on its way to be in
Speaker 1: that because they've talked to the fans in a way
Speaker 1: that been like, we're putting this game entirely on the
Speaker 1: card because we know it's important to you and we
Speaker 1: think that matters and all that stuff, and people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're God got for you saying these things.
Speaker 1: So it feels like Cyberpunk is going to ride this wave.
Speaker 1: Expedition thirty three coming relatively soon. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that would look like within the next year. Feels like
Speaker 1: it could also be like, oh man, they're putting out
Speaker 1: this really awesome game from last year onto this thing.
Speaker 1: We're going to want to pick this one as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you kind of can't miss that opportunity. Even
Speaker 1: if it just sells okay on the switch to it's
Speaker 1: probably going to make quite a bit of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. The title of the Super Mario Brothers movie
Speaker 1: sequel has accidentally been revealed early. This is from Chris
Speaker 1: Scullion at VGC. The title of the sequel to the
Speaker 1: Super Mario Brothers movie was accidentally revealed earlier by NBC
Speaker 1: Universal and a press release published on the NBC Universal
Speaker 1: website for its upfront showcase. The company revealed the name
Speaker 1: of the second Mario movie in a section on Peacock Streaming,
Speaker 1: referring to it as Super Mario World, which I think
Speaker 1: we probably should have been able to guess based on
Speaker 1: the way the first movie went. The there's a quote
Speaker 1: here with all the stuff they have coming, Oh, a
Speaker 1: new Doubton Abbey movie. Excuse me, I love me some
Speaker 1: dowbn Avy Super Mario World, right, Yeah, that make a
Speaker 1: Yoshi heavy Mario sequel that makes all the sense in
Speaker 1: the world. Sorry, I didn't mean to do the World
Speaker 1: World THNK. But Addie, are you looking forward to the
Speaker 1: Mario movie too? Yeah? Uh huh.
Speaker 2: It will exist. It will be one of the movies
Speaker 2: that comes out.
Speaker 1: That is definitely how I feel about the first one,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, this is not I do not find
Speaker 1: this offensive or even all that bad, but it is
Speaker 1: just there.
Speaker 2: It's not made for me, and that's okay, yes exactly.
Speaker 1: But you know, Super Mario World Yoshi does feel like
Speaker 1: a good path for them, like having a ton of
Speaker 1: success again, right, Like there's no reason to assume that
Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to recapture a lot
Speaker 1: of the magic of the first movie, right in terms
Speaker 1: of making money.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: room for that kind of like preteen and slightly younger
Speaker 2: than preteen humor that they do with these movies with Yoshi,
Speaker 2: like eating every want, Like there's no end of comedy
Speaker 2: for them to play into that. Like, I think it'll
Speaker 2: I think it'll do really well.
Speaker 1: What's uh, what what is your opinion on Yoshi overall?
Speaker 1: I people seem to have strong opinions on this character.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you're one of these people that.
Speaker 2: Does cute little dinosaur I got, you know, I got
Speaker 2: my wife the the the yarn one from the w
Speaker 2: U where they have a little thing like like it
Speaker 2: appreciate playing through Super Mario World from time to time.
Speaker 2: I don't have any major like, he's probably my favorite character,
Speaker 2: but that's not a very high list of.
Speaker 1: Okay, so so I am jumping over a pit. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss it. I h drop the Yoshi into the
Speaker 1: bottomless pit to survive. Your feelings are like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what you do.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, A double jump in other games like whatever,
Speaker 2: like you can double jump sometimes.
Speaker 1: Like uh huh, yoh, Yoshi the Dinosaur double jump. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I yeah, my kids really like the first Mario movie.
Speaker 1: They watched that for a while, so it'll be nice
Speaker 1: to get another one so we can throw it into
Speaker 1: the rotation. That's sort of where I'm at with that. Otherwise, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: last headline I have here. Nintendo SF store allows customized
Speaker 1: customized switch o lead colors. It has been revealed that,
Speaker 1: similar to Japan, the newly opened Nintendo San Francisco store
Speaker 1: will allow gamers to customize their shiny new Nintendo Switch
Speaker 1: O lead model for a price. You have the option
Speaker 1: to choose your preferred colors for the Joycon system doc
Speaker 1: and you're all important risk straps for your toy cons.
Speaker 1: If this sounds like your cup of tea, then it
Speaker 1: will set you back three hundred and fifty dollars. As
Speaker 1: noted previously in this article, this is exactly the same
Speaker 1: service that Nintendo has offered for the Japanese web store
Speaker 1: for years. This is pretty cool. Some friends were at
Speaker 1: this thing. I seem to think the store was pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: One thing that they definitely noticed, and I saw Tam
Speaker 1: posting about this, was that it has like a lot
Speaker 1: of metroid merch where you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: other Nintendo stores necessary don't necessarily have that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: So it feels like they are trying to serve a
Speaker 1: hardcore gaming audience as well as the people, you know,
Speaker 1: the families that would show up to a Nintendo store.
Speaker 1: You ever done any like customized hardware from a like
Speaker 1: an official channel before official store.
Speaker 2: Not exactly. I did have the privilege of attending the
Speaker 2: Pokemon Center when it was alive for all six months
Speaker 2: or whatever it was, and so I've been lucky enough
Speaker 2: to see a lot of the world and that is
Speaker 2: still because of the age and the generation of Pokemon
Speaker 2: that was out at the time. Getting to do that
Speaker 2: and get like a Pokemon downloaded to my cart was
Speaker 2: like one of my fondest memories in terms of gaming
Speaker 2: interacting with the real world. I wish these kinds of
Speaker 2: stores were more sustainable, that we could say that we
Speaker 2: can get them in more places, because I don't live
Speaker 2: near anywhere interesting to ever go visit them like on
Speaker 2: a regular basis, but like it seems like a really
Speaker 2: cool service. I immediately worry that, like, okay, especially with
Speaker 2: the markets being how there is, Like are they just
Speaker 2: going to get bombarded with resellers like grabbing them and
Speaker 2: running them off, and you know it's it's the the
Speaker 2: build a Bear model, Like it's cool. I I am
Speaker 2: someone who would do that and then play it until
Speaker 2: the rap got destroyed because I don't want to sit
Speaker 2: in in a box and then never look at it again,
Speaker 2: and that would offend a lot of people. It's a
Speaker 2: really cool thing and it's interesting to see them, and
Speaker 2: obviously like that's all they could do right now. But
Speaker 2: it's interesting to see a reason to go buy a
Speaker 2: switch O led as the switch to is coming out,
Speaker 2: Like that's honestly kind of smart because especially since most
Speaker 2: of the games aren't going to be switched to exclusive yet,
Speaker 2: like you're You're still giving someone a reason to be
Speaker 2: excited about going and getting a new switch hardware, which sure,
Speaker 2: like I'm down with that, Like why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I Like It's definitely the kind of thing where
Speaker 1: it's like, if I were in the right mood and
Speaker 1: I was at that store, there is a chance I
Speaker 1: walk away having just spent more money on a switch
Speaker 1: one like that's yeah that Normally that wouldn't happen, but
Speaker 1: this could. This could be the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: might be able to convince me. I guess it would
Speaker 1: really depend on some of the cool color options.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Nintendo Store in New York, I think is nice.
Speaker 1: I've been there a couple of times. It's okay. I
Speaker 1: think the best part about it is just watching any
Speaker 1: of the videos where people are watching Nintendo directs. I
Speaker 1: guess it'll be nice to have another place where people
Speaker 1: do that. I suppose, But.
Speaker 2: You remember, did you ever have in your malls near
Speaker 2: you the WB Store, Yes, I did, Brother Store, Like
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like it's that where it's like
Speaker 2: it's the big thing to get kids to come in
Speaker 2: with like the giant tower of stuffed animals or whatever. Huh,
Speaker 2: Except they always try to do the interactive elements, and
Speaker 2: I think that makes it like it almost turns it
Speaker 2: into like an amusement park kind of thing. It ends
Speaker 2: a tourist stop, and so I appreciate that they're doing it,
Speaker 2: even if realistically, especially as an adult, like what you're
Speaker 2: gonna get from it is super limited. It at least
Speaker 2: lets you go and be like hey, especially as everything is.
Speaker 2: You know, we were just talking about midnight releases Best
Speaker 2: Buy for the Switch too, like that that's so uncommon
Speaker 2: these days. Like having something where you can go in
Speaker 2: person and just kind of engage with the hobby a
Speaker 2: little bit is pretty neat to me.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. I mean, I think we're always looking
Speaker 1: for ways to do exactly that, to have a real world,
Speaker 1: tactile sort of thing, or at least I am, And
Speaker 1: you know, the Nintendo Super Nintendo World has been really
Speaker 1: cool for that, But I don't always have the capacity
Speaker 1: or the funds to go to a theme park, and
Speaker 1: maybe I do want to spend a little bit of
Speaker 1: money on some merch or something like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think these stores are super cool. I agree. I wish
Speaker 1: they were just in a few more cities. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: put one in the Midwest, that would be cool. All right,
Speaker 1: that does it for the headlines. We have a poll
Speaker 1: question from Monday. In fact, let me see if I
Speaker 1: can find that right here there we go, all right,
Speaker 1: So on Monday we asked giant bomb question mark and
Speaker 1: your options were yes, or and forever, and seventy four
Speaker 1: percent selected and forever. Twenty six percent of you said yes.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, we're just glad to be back. We're glad
Speaker 1: to be doing this stuff. It's been awesome to get
Speaker 1: this all figured out. There are still a million moving
Speaker 1: parts to turn this into a business going forward, but
Speaker 1: so far we've appreciated all the support. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff turned on, bunch of what other
Speaker 1: ways to make money again, to make this make sense.
Speaker 1: People have been asking about super chats here on YouTube. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do those. Looking forward to all of it,
Speaker 1: so yeah, we'll get that stuff turned on and show
Speaker 1: you ways I'll show you new ways of interacting with
Speaker 1: us all here at Giant Bomb here pretty soon. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, we have another poll question. We'll get to
Speaker 1: here in a second. Before we do that, though, Addie,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell people where they can find you
Speaker 1: on the internet what you have going on and all
Speaker 1: that good.
Speaker 2: Stuff you postbox most places for social media handles and
Speaker 2: things like that. Obviously, my loose sky handle is below
Speaker 2: my picture here. I also have gaming content over on
Speaker 2: lost Saves, and yeah, that's pretty easy to find me.
Speaker 2: I did say I did want to propose some alternate
Speaker 2: names for the show.
Speaker 1: Just please do this. I'm always open to this.
Speaker 2: The most compelling and professional names for your morning live show. Okay,
Speaker 2: the Giant Morning Cast of course, Morning Giant Cast, the
Speaker 2: Giant Morning Mess uh huh, Independent Morning Mess Cast, uh huh,
Speaker 2: the Morning Mess Cast, the Messy Morning Bomb, and most importantly,
Speaker 2: Jeff Grubbs Giant Mess.
Speaker 1: That's that's just my life, Giant. What was the second
Speaker 1: to the last one? Giant Morning Mess? Yes, I like
Speaker 1: that one. I like the sound of that. That's good,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody. If we change the name to any
Speaker 1: of those, you will be the first to know. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, the poll question for today, are you going
Speaker 1: to a midnight launch for the switch to yes or no?
Speaker 1: Just curious, so I want to see if people are
Speaker 1: making plans to do that. I guess you know, if
Speaker 1: you pre order from best Buy and you're gonna go
Speaker 1: pick it up at midnight, I would count yourself as
Speaker 1: a yes. That seems like a yes. Or I guess
Speaker 1: if you're not going to go at midnight. No, you
Speaker 1: guys know how to answer questions. All right, let's see
Speaker 1: I got that done. What do we have happening on
Speaker 1: Giant Bomb. Yeah, we'll get the results of this poll
Speaker 1: talk about it on Games Mornings here on Giant Bomb tomorrow.
Speaker 1: In addition to that, later today, we should have the
Speaker 1: new episode of Blake Club, the new season. Mike MINAUGHTI
Speaker 1: will be starting his game. That is at two pm
Speaker 1: Eastern eleven am Pacific time. Yeah. I'm really looking forward
Speaker 1: to y'all seeing how cool this guy's gonna look. Any
Speaker 1: idea is addie what he's gonna play? I do not. Yep,
Speaker 1: No one's gonna No one's gonna see it coming because
Speaker 1: he's just gonna look so cool. Again. That's two PM
Speaker 1: later today and then tomorrow back for game This mornings
Speaker 1: we'll have voicemail dump truck. There should be some more
Speaker 1: quick looks popping off here pretty soon. On Friday, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a UPF We're gonna play the Capcom Fighting
Speaker 1: Collection two. Probably probably spend a lot of time in Powerstone,
Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. All right, with all that
Speaker 1: out of the way, how do you think. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for spending today talking with me about video games.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate having me. Yeah. Absolutely, we'll make it
Speaker 1: happen again sometime soon. For now, thank you everybody for watching.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. You're the best audience in gaming.
Speaker 1: Until next time, have a good one, take care of
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