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Speaker 1: All right, strap yourselves in for this one, because today

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we're diving headfirst into a mystery that's as deep and

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as puzzling as well the very thing we're going to

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be talking.

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Speaker 2: About, Mel's Hole. Mel's Hole, a hole that's become so

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legendary it's practically reached mythical status. And you know what's

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really fascinating to me, even without any solid proof, this

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story has just captivated people for decades. It really shows

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you the power of a good yarn, especially one that

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kind of tickles that part of our brains that craves

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the unexplained exactly.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about just some ordinary sinkhole here. Now

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we're talking about a supposed bottomless abyss, a hole that

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seems to completely defy the laws of physics and logic,

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and all around it are these tales of bizarre phenomena,

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government cover ups, and even you know, a little dash

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of the paranormal.

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Speaker 2: It all begins simply enough with a man named Mel

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Waters and this unusual feature that he found on his

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property out in the wilds of Washington State, right, Just.

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Speaker 1: A hole that seemed totally unassuming at first glance, but

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as with so many great mysteries, the more that Mel investigated,

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the deeper the rabbit hole went. And yeah, pun very

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much intended.

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Speaker 2: His initial curiosity was piqued by the simple fact that

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this hole, which he had been using as a dumping ground,

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never seemed to fill up. He could throw anything in,

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no matter how much, and it just kept taking it.

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Can you imagine staring into that abyss knowing that what

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you're seeing is defying basic common sense.

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Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate garbage disposal. But jokes aside, that

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really does defy logic, doesn't it. Every hole has to have.

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Speaker 2: A bottom, right, That's what Mel thought too, So, like

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any practical person would, he decided to figure out how

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deep this thing really went. But you know, we aren't

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talking fancy sonar equipment or like geological surveys or anything

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like that. Mel he grabbed his trusty fishing line.

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Speaker 1: Fishing line talk about a low tech solution to a

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high mystery.

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Speaker 2: Situation exactly, and that's where the story takes its first

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leap into well the unbelievable. Mel claimed that he let

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out over eighty thousand feet.

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Speaker 1: Of line eighty thousand five that's over.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen miles, and he said he still never hit bottom.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen miles. That's deeper than the Mariana Trench, the deepest

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known part of the ocean. Didn't it occur to him

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that maybe his fishing line just snapped at some point, Well,

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that's just it.

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Speaker 2: Mel was completely adamant. He insisted that the line always

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stayed taught, like something was preventing it from ever reaching

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the bottom. This wasn't just a casual observation. He was

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positive that this hole was different, that it was special.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that

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this bottomless pit really does exist. Wouldn't a hole that

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deep just collapse in on itself. What kind of geological

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forces could even create something like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's where the skeptics come in. Geologists would argue

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that a hole that deep is simply impossible, because the

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incredible pressure and heat at those depths would just cause

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the surrounding rock to collapse inward. A true bottomless pit

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would completely contradict everything we know about how the Earth's

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crust works.

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Speaker 1: So either Mel was exaggerating in a big way, or

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there's something else going on here, something that breaks the

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rules of science as.

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Speaker 2: We know it, And that's what makes the story so

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captivating right, It throws all logic out the window and

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invites us to consider the possibility that something truly extraordinary

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could exist.

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Speaker 1: But the depth of the hole was just the beginning.

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Mel's observation started to get a bit, shall we say, unusual,

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Like how is dogs refuse to even go near the hole.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like they could sense something unsettling, something beyond

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what we humans can perceive, like the primal instinct that

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animals display before a natural disaster, as if they're attuned

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to something that we aren't.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that you should mention that, because

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I was reading about how some animals are able to

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actually sense earthquakes before they happen. There are even stories

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of zoo animals acting super strangely right before major tremors.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, there's a certain kind of wisdom in the animal kingdom,

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wouldn't you say that we humans tend to just overlook

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the animals were so averse to it just adds a

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whole other layer of mystery to the story. It really

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makes you wonder what were they picking up on that

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we just weren't.

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Speaker 1: But then things get even stranger with the story of

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the resurrected dog. That's what it starts to feel like

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we've stepped into the twilight zone.

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Speaker 2: This tale, if true, definitely starts to blur the lines

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between the natural and the supernatural. So, according to Mel,

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one of his neighbors had to put down his dog,

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which is already just a heartbreaking experience, and he chose

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to bury the dog. And you guessed it this seemingly

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bottomless pit.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess in a way, it is kind of

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a fitting final resting place, right, Yeah, swallowed up by eternity,

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that was the idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But a few days later, this neighbor claims that

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he saw his dog alive and well, well alive at

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least he said it was acting very strongly.

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Speaker 1: Hold on. So, not only do we have a potentially

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bottomless hole, but it can also bring things back from

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the dead. Okay, now, I really need to know where

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this hole is so I can bring my goldfish back.

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Speaker 2: Well, you and everyone else, but jokes aside. The story

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of the resurrected dog came a cornerstone of the whole

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Mel's whole legend. It really tapped into those universal fears

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and hopes that we all have about death, the afterlife,

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and the possibility of something beyond our comprehension.

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Speaker 1: It definitely plays on those deep seated fears and hopes

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that we all share. It's like a modern day myth

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being passed down through internet forums in late.

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Speaker 2: Night radio precisely, and this specific myth was about to

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reach a much much larger audience because Mel, with all

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of his bizarre tales, decided to go public. And what

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better platform for a story like this than late night radio,

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the home of all things strange and unexplained. Mel took

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his story to Coast to Coast AM, a show that

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was famous for its deep dives into the paranormal and

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all those conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Uh Coast to Coast AM that brings back memories. It

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was like a gateway to all things weird and wonderful.

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You know. I used to stay up late listening to

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Art Bell, the host. He had this way of making

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the unbelievable sound almost believable.

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Speaker 2: Oh our Bell. He was a master storyteller, that's for sure.

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He knew just how to build suspense and to ask

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just the right questions. He created this atmosphere where the

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listeners felt like they were right there a part of

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the conversation, and when Mel called in with his story

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of a bottomless pit, it was like he'd struck gold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet the phone lines were lighting up that night.

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But what was it about Mel's story that really captivated

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so many people.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's that obvious human fascination with the unknown,

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you know, the mystery of a whole that seems to

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have no end. But I also think that it tapped

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into something deeper, this yearning for something extraordinary in a

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world that so often feels very mundane. Mel's Hohle offered

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a glimpse into a realm that was beyond anything we

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could ever understand, a place where the normal rules of

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nature just didn't seem to apply.

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Speaker 1: It's like that feeling you get when you look up

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at the night sky and you realize just how vast

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and mysterious the universe really is. You feel small, but also,

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in a strange way, very connected to something much bigger

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than yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's it, exactly, and Mel's story, with its talk of

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these bizarre phenomena and other worldly encounters, it really fed

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that sense of wonder and awe. He claimed that this

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hole would interfere with radio waves, causing them to pick

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up these strange signals, everything from old music to baseball

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games from like decades ago. It's as if this hole

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was some kind of portal to another time or even

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another dimension.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that is just creepy. Imagine listening to your

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radio and suddenly you're hearing voices from the past. That's

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straight out of a horror movie.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, gives me shivers just thinking about it.

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And then there was the dark beam. Mel described seeing

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a beam of pure darkness shooting straight up from the hole,

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a darkness so deep, so profound, that it seemed to

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defy any.

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Speaker 1: Description a beam of darkness? What could possibly explain that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Was he suggesting some kind of alien technology?

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Speaker 2: Well that's what makes this story so great. It's open

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to whatever interpretation you choose to believe. Was it some

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kind of natural phenomenon that we just don't understand yet,

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Was it some kind of manifestation of something caar normal

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Or was it just, you know, a figment of Mel's imagination,

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just a little detail that he added to make the

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mystery even bigger.

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll never really know for sure, but it's

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those unanswered questions that keep us so hooked, you know, yeah,

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keep us coming back for more.

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Speaker 2: You got it. And just when you thought this story

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couldn't possibly get any stranger, Mel dropped another bombshell. He

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revealed that the Washington Hole, well it wasn't the only one.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, two bottomless pits. Okay, this is starting

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to feel like a cosmic joke. Now was he just

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trying to top himself at this point?

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Speaker 2: Well? Mel claimed that this wasn't just some random, you know,

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oh by the way discovery. He said that he was

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led to this Nevada hole by a Native American tribe

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and this group of Basque shepherds. Apparently they both knew

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about the whole and all of its strange properties.

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Speaker 1: So now we've got Native American lore and Basque shepherds

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all mixed up in this. It just keeps getting more

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and more intriguing. It's like Mel's hole is some kind

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of magnet for everything strange and unexplained.

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Speaker 2: It really is. In the second hole, he describes it

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as even stranger than the first one. Mel claimed it

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was warm to the touch and that it was lined

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with this strange silent metal.

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Speaker 2: Well, he described it as a type of metal that

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just didn't make any sound when you hit it. If

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you dropped a tool on it, there'd be no clang,

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no reverberation, just silence.

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Speaker 1: That is bizarre. It's like something straight out of a

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science fiction novel. I wonder if there are any actual

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scientific theories about like materials that could absorb sounds so completely.

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Speaker 2: There are definitely materials that can dampen sound, but as

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far as I know, nothing that can completely eliminate it.

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Like how Mel described it seems to like totally defy

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all the laws of physics that we currently understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but it gets even weirder because, according to Mel,

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this Nevada hole is also home to an entity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where the story really takes a hard

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left turn into the world of the paranormal. Mel describes

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this entity as looking like a fetal seal, but with

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human eyes. He claimed it came up out of the

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hole during a get this a sheep sacrifice performed by

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the Basque shepherds.

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Speaker 1: A fetal seal with human eyes. Okay, now I'm officially

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creeped out. I'm starting to think that maybe Mel just

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had a really, really active imagination.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely a description that sticks with you, isn't it.

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Whether or not this entity was actually real or some

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kind of hallucination or just a product of Mel's very

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creative mind, it adds this layer of unsettling mystique to

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the whole story.

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Speaker 1: It's not just the creature itself, though, Mel also claimed

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that this entity cured him of cancer.

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Speaker 2: He did. Mel had been diagnosed with a sophageal cancer

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and they'd only given him a few months to live,

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but he said that he attributed his recovery to you

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guessed it an encounter with this bizarre creature. It's this

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detail that adds this layer of hope and wonder to

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what is otherwise a pretty dark and mysterious story.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like one of those classic heroes journeys, isn't it. Yeah,

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he's facing his own death, he ventures out into the unknown,

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and then he emerges completely transformed exactly.

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Speaker 2: It taps into those very archetypal narratives that just seem

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to resonate so deeply with us as humans.

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Speaker 1: We aren't done yet, are we? Because there's more to

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this Nevada Hole than just some strange entity.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, there's a lot more. Mel also claimed

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that the ice that he'd gotten out of this hole,

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while it had these bizarre properties. Sometimes it would melt normally,

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just like regular ice, but other times it would actually

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catch fire and then burn for months.

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Speaker 1: Burning ice. That sounds like something straight out of an

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alchemist's lab. How's that even possible?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a claim that just doesn't make any sense scientifically. Ice,

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by its very nature is just frozen water, right, It

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melts when you add heat, it doesn't burn. But Mel

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was insistent that this ice was somehow different, that it

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had properties that were beyond what we can currently understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got to admit, even for someone who loves

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a good mystery, this is starting to push the limits

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of what I can actually believe.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing with this whole Mel's whole story,

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isn't it. Where do we as listeners draw the line

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between a story that's captivating and something that's just complete fabrication.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we go jumping to any conclusions, let's dig

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a little deeper into these claims that made He didn't

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just stop with these fantastical descriptions, did he? There were

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other details, other events that added more fuel to the

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fire of this whole mystery.

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and that's where the story takes another

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totally unexpected turn, one that involves the government stepping in

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and Mel's sudden, very mysterious disappearance.

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Speaker 1: So we've got these supposed bottomless pits, these strange entities,

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ice that burns, and now the government's involved. This is

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starting to sound like, I don't know, an episode of

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The X Files or something.

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Speaker 2: Mel's story definitely has that I don't know, that blend

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of science fiction and folklore and like conspiracy that made

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The X Files so popular. So, according to Mel, right

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after he made his first appearance on Coast to Coast

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AM his property in Washington was suddenly like overrun with

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military personnel. Really, yeah, They claimed that there had been

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this plane crash and they totally cordoned off the entire area.

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Speaker 1: A plane crash conveniently happening right after he goes public

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with his story. That's some suspicious timing if you ask me,

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I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that the

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government's been accused of, you know, covering up something strange

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and unusual.

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Speaker 2: Right, it plays right into that, like that deep seated

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mistrust of authority that fuels so many conspiracy theories. Mel

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claimed that they actually threatened him, told him that he

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had to keep quiet about the whole or else. It's

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that classic element of a government cover up narrative, you know,

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silence the witnesses to protect a secret that's quote for

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the good of the publics.

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Speaker 1: That hole they aren't telling us everything. That really gets

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people riled up. And you know, sometimes those in power

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do keep secrets, even if they aren't always exciting as

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a bottomless pitch.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. And whether or not you actually buy into

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all these government conspiracy theories, the idea that there are

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things going on behind closed doors, things that you know,

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we're not supposed to know about, Well, it's intriguing. It

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plays on our natural human curiosity and our desire to

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uncover the truth.

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Speaker 1: So what happened then? Did Mel listen to those threats?

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Did he stay quiet?

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Speaker 2: Well, here's where the story takes another interesting turn. He

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did go silent, but not in the way that you

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know you might expect. He disappeared completely vanished, without a trace.

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Speaker 1: Wait, he's supposedly being threatened by the government and then

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he just vanishes. This is getting more and more like

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a spy thriller every minute. What happened to him?

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Speaker 2: That's the you know, the million dollar question. And there

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are all sorts of theories out there. Some are totally

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mundane and some are pretty outlandish. Some people say that

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he went into hiding because he was afraid for his safety.

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Others believe that he was taken away by the government

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and you know, silenced permanently to keep their secrets safe.

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Speaker 1: And then of course there are those who believe that

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something much more extraordinary happened to him, something connected to

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those mysterious holes. You know, maybe he stumbled across something

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that he wasn't supposed to see, something that threatened to

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expose a truth that was just too big for I

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don't know, for the world to handle.

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Speaker 2: Mel's story is one that you just want to have

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a resolution to, but unfortunately, it seems like we're destined

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to be left with more questions than answers. The fact

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that he disappeared just adds another layer of intrigue to

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this whole saga.

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Speaker 1: When you say, it's like he stepped right into one

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of those bottomless pits himself, you know, lost to the

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annals of time and legend. So Mel's gone, But what

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about the holes? Has anyone ever actually found them?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's another part of the mystery that just endures.

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People have spent years and years searching, using maps and

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satellite imagery, even like venturing out into the wilderness themselves,

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hoping to find some proof of Mel's whole but so

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far they've remained completely elusive, like phantoms on the landscape.

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Speaker 1: Some people say that the government has gone to great

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lengths to you know, to conceal their locations, using technology

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to blur out satellite images, and even going as far

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as staging fake plane crashes to like throw people off

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the trail.

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Speaker 2: It's a classic conspiracy theory element, right, attributing almost superhuman

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abilities and resources to the government in order to you know,

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to maintain control and keep up the illusion.

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Speaker 1: But let's be realistic here for second. Even if the

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government wanted to hide something like this, how could they

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possibly keep it a secret for so long? You know,

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leaks happen, people talk, evidence surfaces.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what leads a lot of skeptics to

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dismiss this whole story. They say that Mel just made

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the whole thing up, that it's just a tall tale

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designed to get attention or you know, entertain people.

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Speaker 1: I can definitely see their point. It is a pretty

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far fetched story when you really think about it. But

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here's the thing that I keep coming back to. Even

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if Mill did make the whole thing up, why has

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the story persisted for this long? Why are people still

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out there searching for those holes, debating whether they're real,

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and analyzing every little detail of Mel's account.

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Speaker 2: I think that just goes to show you the power

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of a really good story. It captures our imagination, makes

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us curious, and just stays in our minds long after

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we've heard it. Mel's whole with that mix of the strange,

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the mysterious, and the well the conspiratorial, it's the kind

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of story that seems made to keep us intrigued and guessing.

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Speaker 1: It plays on our fascinating with those hidden worlds, with

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the idea that there are secrets out there just waiting

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to be uncovered. It speaks to that part of us

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that wants to believe in something more, something that goes

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beyond what we think we know.

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Speaker 2: About the world exactly. It's a reminder that we really

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don't have all the answers, that there are still mysteries

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out there just waiting to be explored. And even if

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those mysteries end up just being illusions, the journey of

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trying to uncover them can be just as rewarding as

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actually finding them.

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Speaker 1: So as we come to the end of our deep

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dive into Mel's Hole, we're still left with a puzzle

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that may never be fully solved. Is it a real phenomenon,

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proof that the universe is way stranger than we think,

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or is it a really elaborate hoax, proof of the

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power of the human imagination? Or is it something in between,

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a mix of truth and fabrication that keeps us fascinated

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and scratching our heads.

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Speaker 2: That's the beauty of it, right. It's up to each

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of us to decide what we believe. Do you want

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to embrace the mystery, entertain the possibility that something impossible

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could be real, or do you write it off as

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a clever fabrication, the story that was made up for entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Either way, I think Mel's Hole is a good reminder

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that there's still magic and wonder out there in the world,

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even in the most unexpected places. It reminds us to

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stay open minded, to question our assumptions, and to never

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ever stop exploring, you know, pushing the boundaries of what

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we think we.

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Speaker 2: Know, because sometimes the most interesting stories are the ones

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that leave us with more questions than answers, the ones

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that spark our imaginations and encourage us to keep searching

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for the truth, no matter how hard it might be

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to find.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll leave you to ponder the

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mystery of mel'shle. Until next time, keep exploring,

