Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanona Show.
Speaker 1: I'm back here with Thomas. It's been a little while.
Speaker 1: How are you doing all right?
Speaker 2: I was quite ill for a spell. That owes to
Speaker 2: my I mean, my absence owes to that as well
Speaker 2: as you know, not my not dropping content in particularly
Speaker 2: timely manner. But I think I'm out of the woods, Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean a gottape. I'm going to the Meter conference
Speaker 2: this weekend. But I appreciate you hosting me man as always.
Speaker 2: What I want to get into, what I want to
Speaker 2: get into today, and of course you're the boss of
Speaker 2: this program. I want to discuss how there's a nascent
Speaker 2: sort of revisionist Uh, there's a nas intolerance for a
Speaker 2: revisionist scholarship about Adolf Hitler. Okay, that I think is undeniable.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you know, in in corridors where that
Speaker 2: was not tolerated whatsoever, you know, even a decade or
Speaker 2: a decade and a half ago. And it's very interesting
Speaker 2: that always to a lot of factors that owes to
Speaker 2: the Second World War truly fading from living memory, you know,
Speaker 2: it owes to the kind of democratization of university resources
Speaker 2: it owes to you know, the complete and total absence
Speaker 2: of a bully pulpit that academ in you know, in
Speaker 2: conjunction with media used to enjoy and you know, facilitated
Speaker 2: a really kind of complete and total capability to dominate
Speaker 2: the conceptual landscape. You know, not not just enforce you know,
Speaker 2: strictures on what's considered to be an acceptable opinion, but
Speaker 2: quite literally control the conceptual narrative, you know. I mean
Speaker 2: people find that hard to believe now that that could
Speaker 2: be done. But I mean think pre Internet. I think
Speaker 2: when any media you can assume it's truly passive. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't select the programming, and your your your access
Speaker 2: to data really is limited to what you can find
Speaker 2: at your local library, you know, or library system. But
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I would have I would have thought
Speaker 2: it would be the opposite within the bounded rationale of
Speaker 2: or a visioness enterprise, a software business enterprise. Relating to
Speaker 2: the Third Reich, I would have thought that the Nazi
Speaker 2: Party would have been somehow rehabilitated in terms of oh,
Speaker 2: these are just ignorant people or some such thing. But
Speaker 2: you know, Hitler was this sort of evil songali type
Speaker 2: who who's who swept them up. And in this you know,
Speaker 2: sort of miasma of evil and madness, it's really kind
Speaker 2: of the opposite. You know, a lot of these treatments
Speaker 2: have a very very punitive view of the party and
Speaker 2: of its loyalists, and they're certainly not friendly to Adolf Hitler,
Speaker 2: but they they normalize him, and within the context of
Speaker 2: historicists discussion of his life and times and and and
Speaker 2: career as a war as a politician, and as a warlord.
Speaker 2: Most recently twenty nineteen, this book Hitler at Global Biography
Speaker 2: by Brendan Simms. This is an important book, and specifically
Speaker 2: at dovetails with something I've written about rather extensively. That is,
Speaker 2: it's my belief that Itolf Hitler believed America to be
Speaker 2: his primary adversary. He believed Roosevelt was his personal enemy.
Speaker 2: He believed in America was you know, new deal America,
Speaker 2: you know, as as America had become constitutive if a
Speaker 2: nine thirty three revolution. Hitler viewed that his permanent and
Speaker 2: he wasn't wrong. He viewed America as the as the
Speaker 2: as the foe of Europe, and uh, he viewed it
Speaker 2: as this still essence of you know, kind of the
Speaker 2: the the uh, like the Jewish perspective on on political life,
Speaker 2: you know, and kind of like the penultimate expression of
Speaker 2: of of of Jewish social engineering, you know, rit large
Speaker 2: like people turn around and say, you know, you can't
Speaker 2: say that, you know, the entire raison detra of the
Speaker 2: NSDAP was was was anti Bolshevism, and its emergence owed
Speaker 2: one hundred percent to you know, the emergence of revolutionary communism.
Speaker 2: You know, so you can't discuss this discrete quantity, you know,
Speaker 2: contra America that developed, according you know to geostrategic challenges
Speaker 2: and ideological discourse somehow unrelated to that, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and and and came to you know, identify America
Speaker 2: as as as the primary adversary. I want to get
Speaker 2: into my rebuttal to that today in terms of what
Speaker 2: actually happened, you know, rather than counter factuals. And we're
Speaker 2: gonna cover a little bit of familiar ground. But I
Speaker 2: figured today you know, i'll kind of address you know,
Speaker 2: I'll kind of present rebuttals to what I think on
Speaker 2: the main objections to that perspective. I just I just
Speaker 2: explained the second episode, the second part you know, well, uh,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about Hitler contra Roosevelt and the kind of
Speaker 2: direct hostile discourse between the two, you know, Roosevelt's radio
Speaker 2: addresses and Hitler's radio addresses. They were they were obviously
Speaker 2: in direct dialogue with each other, and it's fascinating. And
Speaker 2: then finally, you know how I want to get into
Speaker 2: some comparing, comparing and contrasting, you know, in direct kind
Speaker 2: of in direct capacity, you know, of textual criticism, you know,
Speaker 2: like the Sims book and books like RHS. Stolphie is
Speaker 2: fantastic biographia. Hitler called Hitler beyond evil and tyranny and
Speaker 2: John Toland, who I believe wrote the kind of seminal
Speaker 2: buyer for Madolf Hitler. I part ways to them on
Speaker 2: some claims, and we'll get into that later. Toland, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, and I know I know that he I
Speaker 2: know that, I know that I'm Toland accepted some aspects
Speaker 2: of court the court history, the court history narrative, and
Speaker 2: the Nuremberg narrative that people find highly objectionable. But you know,
Speaker 2: the astute for historical review when they were quite a
Speaker 2: bit harder line. Are you leaving there today? You know,
Speaker 2: like hosted him on multiple occasions the guy wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: some milk toast And he wasn't you know some he was.
Speaker 2: He wasn't just some some some national review type you know,
Speaker 2: trying to trying to score points by you know, writing
Speaker 2: an edgy book and you know, during the deton era
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask the question before we go
Speaker 1: on to Sims reference Hitler's second book A Lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you address the people who think that it is
Speaker 1: not legitimate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because every day idiots tell me things are fake.
Speaker 2: The girl's areas are fake, mine comp's fake. Hitler's second
Speaker 2: book is fake. You know, Mike Dick is fake. The
Speaker 2: moon landing is fake. The air we breathe is fake.
Speaker 2: Like I was fucking retarded. I'm sick of it. Like
Speaker 2: it's not it's not fake, you know, like at some
Speaker 2: point people have to accept that reality is what it
Speaker 2: appears to be, you know. And somehow, somehow the second
Speaker 2: book tracks exactly what with Hitler related to confidence, particularly
Speaker 2: you know, to Gebbels to uh has you know, long
Speaker 2: before the most critical phases that war ensued. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: things that he disclosed to Spear, who I Spear was
Speaker 2: a real weasel, but he was. You know, that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you discount every single thing he said as being
Speaker 2: as being some some self serving lie like at all
Speaker 2: own it. I'm sure that sounded puerile, but like I I,
Speaker 2: I am so sick of people just declaring things to
Speaker 2: be faked, you know, like I it's it's like it's
Speaker 2: like a mental illness or something, you know, people. That's
Speaker 2: why I object to not for the tangent, but I
Speaker 2: don't like the whole like red pill metaphor, because it's
Speaker 2: like it's just it's just it's this idea that everybody's
Speaker 2: kind of diddy bopping around like an idiot. Then they
Speaker 2: come to some like special knowledge that like things are
Speaker 2: what they appear to be, Like they all of a
Speaker 2: sudden real that like maybe everything they see on CNN
Speaker 2: isn't true, you know, and that's the rid pill. So
Speaker 2: then if that they decided like literally everything on this
Speaker 2: planet is fake, you know, like Hitler was fake. He
Speaker 2: worked for Wall Street and the builder Bergs put him there,
Speaker 2: and you know, World War two was fake, and then
Speaker 2: the Cold War was fake, you know, so you know,
Speaker 2: in the fake moon landing was part of the fake
Speaker 2: Cold War that's it's it's it's really really really really stupid.
Speaker 2: Like it's how it's how really stupid people kind of
Speaker 2: like make sense of a world that confuses them. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like these hood guys will claim that like he
Speaker 2: heaps and treat fruit punch like makes you sterile, and
Speaker 2: you're like, that doesn't make any sense, Like not a
Speaker 2: dog it do it do? It's literally the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like just as fucking stupid. You know, they're okay, fine,
Speaker 2: everything is fake. All right, I'm an idiot and everything's fake,
Speaker 2: so don't watch.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: I think there's like Hitler in terms of his character
Speaker 2: that's misrepresented by people like Alan Block, by people like
Speaker 2: kersh uh really about kind of the seminal Like mainstream
Speaker 2: historians of Hitler, they cast him as this kind of
Speaker 2: provincial rube who was not an old worldly you know,
Speaker 2: and you know kind of had no understanding of power,
Speaker 2: political affairs outside of you know, this narrow corner literally
Speaker 2: of the kind of of of the Hassery Empire where
Speaker 2: he was raised. You know, this kind of this kind
Speaker 2: of underdeveloped, you know, sort of failing by the time
Speaker 2: he was born like monarchists, dinosaur, you know, that was
Speaker 2: that was racked by like ethnic conflict and and things
Speaker 2: and that kind of arcane political structures, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and intrigues and dead as they're in. That's not
Speaker 2: at all the case. It was very very rare for
Speaker 2: people in Hitler's epoch to travel overseas, you know, like
Speaker 2: for example, it was like a big deal when like
Speaker 2: Wilson went to Europe. You know, Hitler himself also and
Speaker 2: uh Is Kuzabek and and his sister Relayed. Hitler was
Speaker 2: in love with like American stuff when he was like
Speaker 2: when he was a little kid. Hitler's two passions were reading,
Speaker 2: and he constantly would pour over maps with his colored pencils.
Speaker 2: He was obsessed with geography and cartography and sketching out
Speaker 2: with his pencils, you know, battle scenarios of you know,
Speaker 2: the Napoleonic Wars and you know the Franco Prussian Wars
Speaker 2: and like these great conflicts he'd read about. But he
Speaker 2: loved reading about cowboys and Indians and like playing cowboys
Speaker 2: and Indians. And something I found hilarious is, you know
Speaker 2: the wheat Croft collection that that that eccentric englishman from
Speaker 2: Central Casting Wheatcroft, who's got the most extensive collection of
Speaker 2: third rite artifacts on this planet, from you know, like
Speaker 2: Hitler busts to uh pans or tanks and everything in between.
Speaker 2: I guess when the Berghoff was dynamited, there was still
Speaker 2: the basement areas one could access and bergo and we
Speaker 2: Croft and his buddy they went there. They repelled down,
Speaker 2: you know, into the basement area. I mean, they're lucky
Speaker 2: didn't collapse on them. And there was like a game
Speaker 2: room there, you know, like I guess there was like this,
Speaker 2: there was a bowling alley, but everywhere there was like
Speaker 2: Coca Cola signs and like a Coca Cola vending machine.
Speaker 2: And I guess we crossed buddies, Like wasn't this like
Speaker 2: nuts and we cross Like No, Hitler loved Coca Cola.
Speaker 2: You know, his favorite movie was King Kong. You know
Speaker 2: he uh Hitler had fought the Americans, you know as
Speaker 2: uh as uh as a Lonza in in the Reichs
Speaker 2: and and in the Kaiser's Army. Okay, Hitler wasn't like
Speaker 2: ignorant of America or something or like just viewed it
Speaker 2: as you know, like in the way like some provincial European,
Speaker 2: you know, full of sort of small minded and small
Speaker 2: town of prejudice. His would and what he began saying
Speaker 2: to his one time confident uh Putsi Hofstangle. Hofstangle was
Speaker 2: one of the even after the even after the ram
Speaker 2: Purge hop Stangle, he was one of the people who
Speaker 2: was a you know, at least party adjacent, if not
Speaker 2: you know, truly insinuated into the into the end of
Speaker 2: the inner circleabal of fighters. You know, he was in
Speaker 2: that orbit, and he'd speak freely to Hitler, and he
Speaker 2: was constantly trying to sway Hitler away from viewing the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union as something that had to be destroyed. And
Speaker 2: Rosenberg hated him, and both men seem to think they
Speaker 2: get somehow like sway the fewer of their perspective out
Speaker 2: of Russia. You know, obviously Rosenberg this you know, violently
Speaker 2: punitive view of Russia, which is totally understandable him being
Speaker 2: a Baltic German. And Hoshtengle said to Hitler that, you know,
Speaker 2: it would be a fool's error and for any you know,
Speaker 2: for any for any world, or or any you know,
Speaker 2: to to make war in the Soviet Union. You know,
Speaker 2: that'd be an unwinnable war, and Hitler said no, no.
Speaker 2: Hitler said, uh, that would be an essential war. An
Speaker 2: unwinnable war would be against the United States. When it awakens,
Speaker 2: the United States is going to rule this planet. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but in the second book he talks about
Speaker 2: how America possesses quite literally fifty percent of this planet's
Speaker 2: you know, natural resources. Hitler himself had he had an
Speaker 2: uncanny ability to take reams of data and take conceptual
Speaker 2: and and take conceptual sets of data that don't really
Speaker 2: lend themselves to you know, translating into inputs. And he
Speaker 2: had this kind of way of understanding how these things
Speaker 2: translate the power political variables, you know, both concrete and
Speaker 2: behavioral and everything else. Hitler viewed the United States. Says,
Speaker 2: this burgaining superpower unlike anything the world had ever seen.
Speaker 2: And in terms of the American people, one of the
Speaker 2: things Sims drives home and this makes me so happy,
Speaker 2: because I've been saying this for ages, and people claim
Speaker 2: it's like a quote quote unquote cope right apologia. Keitler
Speaker 2: did not view the German people as some master race
Speaker 2: as they existed in nineteen thirty three. He thought Germany
Speaker 2: was in terrible shape. He said, you know, the thirty
Speaker 2: years wore smashed Germany into pieces literally, you know. And
Speaker 2: he's like, in sixteen forty eight, our population was scattered
Speaker 2: to the four Wins. You know, we like lost who
Speaker 2: we were, you know, like the best of our the
Speaker 2: best of our mentioned material was was in the grave,
Speaker 2: you know. And he's like, there was this kind of
Speaker 2: like this. You had a bunch of uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you had a bunch of people made war refugees who
Speaker 2: had been made into like refugees, you know, who are
Speaker 2: basically forcely assimilated into you know, by by the you know,
Speaker 2: by by these by these slavonic peoples that they then
Speaker 2: had to live among after being banned from banish from
Speaker 2: their own land, you know. And he said, after that,
Speaker 2: you know, Germany, even uh, even after unification, you know,
Speaker 2: Germany is slightly smaller than Wyoming, you know, in power
Speaker 2: political terms, Germany is a tiny country with no with
Speaker 2: no natural resources, like all it has is its people.
Speaker 2: And you know, from the turn of the nineteenth century
Speaker 2: until the immigration reform Acts of nineteen twenty four, something
Speaker 2: like five point nine million Germans had left in Germany
Speaker 2: for the United States. You know, Hitler said like these
Speaker 2: were our best people. You know, He's like, they were
Speaker 2: the people who could survive a journey, you know, which
Speaker 2: in those days was no small thing. You had to
Speaker 2: be a robust person. You know. These are the guys
Speaker 2: gonna handle, you know, like weathering poverty and terrible hardship
Speaker 2: for years of need be to build something. You know.
Speaker 2: These are the guys who weren't afraid to literally look
Speaker 2: at a location on a map and say, I'm going
Speaker 2: to travel thousands of miles away in some cases, you know,
Speaker 2: and live on this new continent. You know. Hitler's like
Speaker 2: what was left in Europe? You know, He's like or
Speaker 2: people who were just like weaker in mind and spirit,
Speaker 2: or people had been like left behind by history. It
Speaker 2: goes on to say, and only to the fact, you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler knew Americans. He fought them. He said, like, you know,
Speaker 2: when I fought these people, when we fought these people,
Speaker 2: you know, he's like, they're these large, robust people, you know,
Speaker 2: and he's like compared to them, you know, he was
Speaker 2: like real like this kind of like sinewy weaklings who
Speaker 2: get knocked out by rifle fire. You know, He's like,
Speaker 2: these guys could take shit to the chest and like
Speaker 2: in some cases recover. You know, he's like it was,
Speaker 2: He's like, we didn't stand a chance in nineteen eighteen
Speaker 2: being bled white as we had like fighting like you know,
Speaker 2: the American Army, you know, the book which in those
Speaker 2: days was made up of a bunch of German people,
Speaker 2: you know, by by race, if you want to look
Speaker 2: at like that. Okay, So this was this was Hitler's perspective.
Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't uh, America sucks. You know, it's weak,
Speaker 2: it's misigenated. You know, the Germans are the best people
Speaker 2: on earth. It was the opposite. It was we're dying out,
Speaker 2: and the only way we cannot die out is through
Speaker 2: this kind of top down process of pelagenesis, part of
Speaker 2: which is spiritual, you know, part of which is is
Speaker 2: historical in nature, you know, part of which is physical
Speaker 2: and biological quite literally, you know, part of which is
Speaker 2: a matter of social engineering. But of such a nature
Speaker 2: that's going to have organic residents, and isn't you know,
Speaker 2: just some sort of contrived isn't just some sort of
Speaker 2: contrived political program, you know, like emerging from the minds
Speaker 2: of of of you know, a of a of a
Speaker 2: minute of an information ministry or something. So this is
Speaker 2: where this is where Hitler was coming from. And I
Speaker 2: want to add two. And Sims makes this point in
Speaker 2: both mind comp and the second book. Hitler does not
Speaker 2: He barely even mentions black people. He says that he
Speaker 2: has some punitive things to say about the American South
Speaker 2: because he said that importing he said, importing thousands or
Speaker 2: millions of of of of Negro or Aboriginal slaves. He said,
Speaker 2: that's called barbaric. You know, he didn't so much mean
Speaker 2: it's like mean to enslaved people. And he didn't mean
Speaker 2: that at all. Like he meant that, you know, having
Speaker 2: this like massive slave population that's not as similable. You
Speaker 2: know that in some places outnumbers you know, the you know,
Speaker 2: the the master casts. I mean that there's literally perverse,
Speaker 2: you know. And he uh, beyond that, and mind comp
Speaker 2: he makes some passing reference to how, you know, they
Speaker 2: kind of the kind of universality of cultural identity and
Speaker 2: you know kind of like kind of like rudimentary religion,
Speaker 2: no matter how primitive it can be, and it may be.
Speaker 2: And he said that like, you know, people even see this,
Speaker 2: and you know people even see this in the most
Speaker 2: like primitive Negro tribe, you know, which was like shorthand
Speaker 2: for like Afrians. So that's you know, I I mean,
Speaker 2: like why is that important. It's not that it's so important,
Speaker 2: but for years, not just the long proceeds like like
Speaker 2: wokesm and kind of fake scholarship online, there's this like
Speaker 2: narrative that like Hitler for no reason and had some
Speaker 2: like demented hatred of blacks and like hated Jesse Owens.
Speaker 2: And I mean that's like that's there's literally demented. But
Speaker 2: that that was basically Hitler's musings in America kind of
Speaker 2: like looking at at the strategic landscape when you know,
Speaker 2: he became reix Chnsler that when mister Roosevelt took the
Speaker 2: oath of office. So why was Hitler so fixated on Russia. Well,
Speaker 2: there's the obvious exigence of you know, it being Germany
Speaker 2: being situated on the Soviet frontier. You know, the communists
Speaker 2: were an existential threat to the Germans, you know, the
Speaker 2: uh there was a an inextricable aspect of anti communism
Speaker 2: to national socialism. But the thing is the Germans, said
Speaker 2: one in Germany. I mean, that's why Hitler was Hitler.
Speaker 2: Hitler was a reichs Consler. You know. Some years later,
Speaker 2: you know, they won in Spain, you know, like the
Speaker 2: the Communists were losing in Western Europe. And the thing
Speaker 2: with communism is that, you know, once it once, it
Speaker 2: loses that kind of like revolutionary fervor, it don't it
Speaker 2: doesn't come back. You know. That's why after World War Two,
Speaker 2: you know, when one would think like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: like marcist Leminism is a zenith. You know, in the
Speaker 2: Third World it was, but in Europe, like nobody they
Speaker 2: it literally had to be imposed at the point of
Speaker 2: a band, you know. So it's a it's a different thing,
Speaker 2: you know. And uh so people will there another people
Speaker 2: will raise the question then like well then why why
Speaker 2: why was the War in the East literally declared to
Speaker 2: be a rosen Krige, and why was it so brutal?
Speaker 2: And why why why did the hit are formally distinguished
Speaker 2: it from the War in the West. And I'll give
Speaker 2: into this in a minute and declare that you know,
Speaker 2: any German officer enlisted man in the East is immune
Speaker 2: to prosecution for crimes against humanity, you know, and as
Speaker 2: a contrary, you know, the the occupation of France or
Speaker 2: nothing like that would be tolerated, you know, not not
Speaker 2: even like by anybody. There's an interesting little factoid. I
Speaker 2: think it's more than a factoid. I think it's fundamentally important.
Speaker 2: There's this really interesting book. It's not my favorite books.
Speaker 2: It's by this often named Prouden Prodden pr w D
Speaker 2: I m. The Mongol Empire or the Mongols in their
Speaker 2: Empire by Michael Prodden, which was a pen name. But
Speaker 2: this book made the rounds in German academ you know,
Speaker 2: in the in the I think the first I think
Speaker 2: the first edition was published in nineteen twenty nine. If somebody,
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, somebody correct me. But people like among comparative,
Speaker 2: people into like comparative social anthropology and cultural anthropology, people
Speaker 2: into philology, particularly people into military science. They found us
Speaker 2: to be a very important book. Heindrich Himmler became fixing
Speaker 2: down this book at the at the SS younger schools.
Speaker 2: It was a signed reading. Every SS officer, upon receiving
Speaker 2: his commission, was given a copy of it. Jack and
Speaker 2: Piper his uh, his term paper or his thesis. I
Speaker 2: guess what he considered you know, his like bachelor's thesis
Speaker 2: when he was when he was at SS Officer School.
Speaker 2: It was on the Mongols, but it was it was
Speaker 2: on a specific aspect of uh Mongol culture. That aspect
Speaker 2: was something called the Yasa y a s s A.
Speaker 2: Yasa was quite literally the law of the Mongol Empire.
Speaker 2: But in the Mongol Empire, the law was literally kept
Speaker 2: secret and it never made public. The Yasa had its
Speaker 2: origin and wartime decrees. Later it was expanded, extrapolated from
Speaker 2: these military conventions, you know, to include behavioral conventions, you know,
Speaker 2: things relating to cultural things and and conjugal things and
Speaker 2: and you know, disputes over property and things like this.
Speaker 2: But it remained a secret. It was, but it's believed
Speaker 2: and there's a very incomplete record of the Mongols in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, their cultural practice and things. It's
Speaker 2: believed that this was supervised by genghis Ka himself was
Speaker 2: who appointed his adopted son Shigi Kutsu. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a like like a high judge or like a lawgiver. Okay.
Speaker 2: He appointed his second son, Shaga Tai Khan to oversee
Speaker 2: the law as execution, you know, quite literally as lord
Speaker 2: high executioner. Now, this idea of a body of law
Speaker 2: that obviously one of the reasons for its secretiveness is
Speaker 2: not just so that you know, the high lawgiver can
Speaker 2: maintain this mystique and decrees therein and precedent can be
Speaker 2: modified and applied selectively, but it also you know, it's
Speaker 2: it also it also obviously he speaks of of of
Speaker 2: believe in the divine origin, okay, the social order, and
Speaker 2: of military endeavors, and of you know, the the function
Speaker 2: of soldiery in and of itself. Okay, Piper wrote his, uh,
Speaker 2: his his paper on Yasa, and you know, uh it
Speaker 2: got glowing marks from his teachers, and Himler would Himler
Speaker 2: Piper would periodically refer to Gengis Khan and Mongol concepts
Speaker 2: just in the discussion of military affairs. This obviously like
Speaker 2: loved really large in his mind. Okay. So what this
Speaker 2: translates to is there was a belief that they're they're
Speaker 2: they're quite ahead to be some sort of adjacent moral
Speaker 2: ethos of you know, your vanguard soldiery, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's what the SS was supposed to be. You know,
Speaker 2: they were supposed to be a kind of they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be kind of the reconstuted to Tic knights, but
Speaker 2: they they were really kind of a it isn't a
Speaker 2: perfect example, but they were almost, uh, you know, like
Speaker 2: a jihad element, Okay, and some sort of integrated some
Speaker 2: sort of integrated structure of you know, law and command
Speaker 2: authority and theological small t theological imperatives is really what
Speaker 2: something like that requires. And I'll get into that in
Speaker 2: a minute, like why that is so important? Okay. A
Speaker 2: couple things that stand out, A couple of instances, you know,
Speaker 2: with people who discuss some command responsibility relating the relating
Speaker 2: to the German war crimes and on genocide in the in
Speaker 2: the Second World War. One of those instances is Himler's
Speaker 2: posting speech. There's speeches in October ninety forty three where
Speaker 2: Himmler addressed and assembled you know, the assembled higher SS
Speaker 2: and police leaders and he's any openly stated stated we're
Speaker 2: talking about we're talking about the the eradication of the
Speaker 2: Jewish people. This was in nineteen forty three October, which
Speaker 2: really shouldn't surprise anybody considering the state of things. Okay.
Speaker 2: The second instance that they tend to raise, you know,
Speaker 2: they raise it as is almost almost like a litigation attorney,
Speaker 2: would you know an admission by a party opponent the
Speaker 2: over Salzburg speech on August twenty second, ninety thirty nine,
Speaker 2: which obviously was right, you know, it was the eve
Speaker 2: of the assault on Polam. This American journalist Louis P.
Speaker 2: Lockner just gets a little complicated. He contacted a diplomat
Speaker 2: named Alexander Coms dot Kirk. He showed him the text
Speaker 2: of this speech that Hitler had the Hitler at the
Speaker 2: Hitler had delivered h to the assembled, over to the
Speaker 2: to the assembled the brass at over Salzburg. In turn,
Speaker 2: it was transmitted to the British diplomat George Ogilvy Forbes,
Speaker 2: who of course made it public in British intelligence circles,
Speaker 2: you know, almost immediately. And the belief almost certainly, or
Speaker 2: the understanding almost certainly, was it was Wilhelm Canaris, the
Speaker 2: chief of the advert who was the intelligence leak okay,
Speaker 2: and he was he was present there, and it's interesting
Speaker 2: for all kinds of reasons that this is what he
Speaker 2: chose to really, this is what he chose to leak
Speaker 2: in lieu of some other things over the because because
Speaker 2: Canaris didn't leak everything and sometimes he did what was
Speaker 2: what one will consider to be the patriotic thing to
Speaker 2: do at critical junctures, like other times he was engaged
Speaker 2: in catastrophic acts of treason as relays to you know,
Speaker 2: the disclosure of what would be considered eyes only secrets.
Speaker 2: But he has in may these documents, the documents considering
Speaker 2: this speech, or at least the notes that constituted the speech,
Speaker 2: as much as as much as our snitch who will
Speaker 2: will accept as Canaris proffered to the allies, every every uh,
Speaker 2: every exhibit profitent Nrberg was cataloged with a letter in
Speaker 2: a number code. This the text of the speech. It's
Speaker 2: his paragraph and number code is paragraph three of Exhibit
Speaker 2: L three. It's it's I'll read irrelevant paragraphs. It's short.
Speaker 2: This is Hitler speaking. Our strength consists in our speed
Speaker 2: and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women
Speaker 2: and children to slaughter with premeditation and a happy heart.
Speaker 2: History season m solely the founder of a state. It's
Speaker 2: a matter of indifference to me. With a week, Western
Speaker 2: European civilization will say about me. I've issued the command.
Speaker 2: I don't have anybody who utters but one word of
Speaker 2: criticism executed by fire squad, that our war aim is
Speaker 2: not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical
Speaker 2: destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I placed my death head
Speaker 2: formation in readiness to the present only in the only
Speaker 2: in the East, with orders to them to send death
Speaker 2: mercilessly and without compassion. With sent with orders to them
Speaker 2: to send to death merciless lead and without compassion, men,
Speaker 2: women and children have polished the rivation and heritage be
Speaker 2: Thus shall we gain the living space which we need? Who,
Speaker 2: after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians.
Speaker 2: That's that famous quote about the Armenians comes from. Okay,
Speaker 2: So what is Hitler saying now, mind you, when he
Speaker 2: talks about putting any insubordinate person of the firing squad,
Speaker 2: he's saw having the men in uniform without exception. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's that's raconian, but it's appropriate, Okay, within the
Speaker 2: commonly accepted laws and customs of war as uh. That
Speaker 2: coupled with the Commissar order, couple with the Barbarossa decree,
Speaker 2: you know which. Again I'm not going to read verbatim
Speaker 2: word for word the text of those documents, but it
Speaker 2: essentially stripped away any and all precedent relating, you know,
Speaker 2: permissive or compulsory related to the laws and customs of
Speaker 2: wars in sixteen forty eight, while acknowledging that in the
Speaker 2: West these things would still be scrupulously honored and observed. Okay,
Speaker 2: so what does that mean? What that means is that,
Speaker 2: in practical terms, Hitler realized that in order to become
Speaker 2: a superpower, Germany had to annihilate everything east of the
Speaker 2: order that was not reconcilable with the German ambition, you know,
Speaker 2: of conquering, of conquering a land mass essentially from uh,
Speaker 2: from the Atlantic Ocean, you know, to uh, the Earls
Speaker 2: and perhaps beyond. There's no way that one can reconcile
Speaker 2: that ambition. And there's no way that one can imagine
Speaker 2: a strategy, grand strategy that doesn't entail some variant of
Speaker 2: that whereby Germany survives. You know, it's I mean, if
Speaker 2: you want to and you know, keep in mind too,
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, Prussia was populated when the
Speaker 2: Prussians conquered it. You know, these uh, these these winds,
Speaker 2: they there were people somebody adjacent to you know, the
Speaker 2: pagan Baltic tribes, you know, who who some of the
Speaker 2: later crusades were waged against. You know, this was this
Speaker 2: was a wild land. But you know, the this precedent
Speaker 2: within the German cultural and military psychology for this, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's like it's like saying, you know, people
Speaker 2: saying like, oh, you know, it's it's laughable to say that.
Speaker 2: You know, the Hitler viewed America is the adversary of Europe,
Speaker 2: you know, when he was talking about putting you know,
Speaker 2: entire countries to the sword in the East. It's really
Speaker 2: not man, I mean, it's the the US. You know,
Speaker 2: did during the Creek War did uh did did people
Speaker 2: view the United Kingdom as uh as a greater existential
Speaker 2: threat to America or you know, or the Comanche. You know,
Speaker 2: one thing is related to the other because you know,
Speaker 2: if you're fighting quite literally a war against two discrete populations,
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's there's there's gonna be some sort
Speaker 2: of weighing of you know, the relative threat potential of both.
Speaker 2: But the idea that you know, the willingness to exterminated
Speaker 2: people in lieu of abiding the laws and customs of war,
Speaker 2: it's pre efficient evidence that those people are you know,
Speaker 2: your worst enemy. That's not conceptually, that's not how high
Speaker 2: politics works the theory are we Are we saying that
Speaker 2: today on the news every day? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The
Speaker 2: you know, there's also too, there's not we don't think
Speaker 2: of Germany as a colonial power, you know, during the
Speaker 2: second wave of colonialism, but they were, you know, and
Speaker 2: then arguably contextual preducts too. Is the Herrero uprising in
Speaker 2: nineteen oh four in German Africa. General Lothar Monrotha there
Speaker 2: was this uprising obviously of of these Herrero tribesmen and
Speaker 2: they were they they were driven out and chased into
Speaker 2: the into and into the cold, into this adjacent territory
Speaker 2: of the Kalahari Desert, you know, which was uh which
Speaker 2: was a waste land, okay, Montroda. He had them locked
Speaker 2: down and he in any any refugees who tried to
Speaker 2: access water were shot. So when Troth and his men
Speaker 2: were quite literally hunting these people to extinction in the desert,
Speaker 2: Charte himself referred to the order he was, the order
Speaker 2: that he issued regarding the treatment of these people and
Speaker 2: not distinguishing, you know, between between persons, you know, just
Speaker 2: like you know, regardless of sex, age, ability to bear arms,
Speaker 2: overall health. You know, they were all to be killed
Speaker 2: so called very next Clumbus baffle quite literally an annihilation
Speaker 2: order or annihilation command, and his words the quote, the
Speaker 2: hero are no longer German subjects within the German border.
Speaker 2: Every hero was shot with her without rifle, with without care.
Speaker 2: I take no more wives and child, no child. I
Speaker 2: take no more wives and no children. I drive them
Speaker 2: back to their people, or let them be shot. You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's uh, incredibly hard words from a hard man.
Speaker 2: But the you know, I realize I'm jumping around a lot.
Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't. I hope that that's not you know,
Speaker 2: rendering this ole page.
Speaker 1: You'll bring it back home.
Speaker 2: We got it right, the uh to bring it back
Speaker 2: the sims And I tell you, you know, I make
Speaker 2: the point about Hiller being Hitler was a political gambler,
Speaker 2: but he's militarily cautious. And that's a stuffy point as well.
Speaker 2: We'll get into some of that too, because it's significant
Speaker 2: to kind of like the the myth versus reality of
Speaker 2: Adolf Hitler. But something, something that something that uh is
Speaker 2: uh is undeniable, is that Hitler was several steps ahead
Speaker 2: of his generals. I don't think anybody in an Okay,
Speaker 2: in the ok W had a truly developed sense of
Speaker 2: the political in the way that Hitler did. Okay, in
Speaker 2: generals for the most part don't. That's something is it's
Speaker 2: crazy to me people these days in this country act
Speaker 2: like generals, you know, understand power political affairs, and that
Speaker 2: it's it's perfectly legitimate for them to have opinions on policy,
Speaker 2: like you know, the army has no policy. But it's
Speaker 2: also and this isn't me trashing military men. They they
Speaker 2: they you know, in concrete particulars and every kind of discreets.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's remarkably complicated but a very discrete,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of a sphere of action. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't generally have a great understanding of the political
Speaker 2: impactfulness of military activity, nor how political occurrences index and
Speaker 2: milatary military activity. I mean most people don't, but you know,
Speaker 2: General's especially this stands out contraary Hitler. Hitler could look
Speaker 2: at a political situation and at burgeting crisis and generally
Speaker 2: discern what was developing, you know, four or five proverbial
Speaker 2: moves ahead, like that's what the game of chess is Okay,
Speaker 2: Like I I went to a phase. I was playing
Speaker 2: a lot of chess as a kid, and like I
Speaker 2: read all the chess books and stuff. Then I found out,
Speaker 2: like I love pool, you know and hears. But you
Speaker 2: know what these with these chess masters can do. Like
Speaker 2: like there's this movie about like Bobby Fisher that was
Speaker 2: you know Peope. Now he's like a persona on Grada
Speaker 2: because he's like anti Semitic or he said something nice
Speaker 2: about Serbia or something, but he's you know, he was canceled.
Speaker 2: But there's this movie about Bobby Fisher and you know
Speaker 2: kind of like his life as this you know, child
Speaker 2: prodigy and the way they portray it. I realized we've
Speaker 2: got to portray things in a certain way in film
Speaker 2: and make it compelling, but especially if it's a cerebral
Speaker 2: process you're trying to convey to the audience. But the
Speaker 2: way these the way these high level chess kids are
Speaker 2: like playing, it's almost like a shootout. You know, Like
Speaker 2: Fisher like moves his night you know, then like the
Speaker 2: other kid like Perry's almost and moves his Bishop. It's
Speaker 2: not how like top level chess masters played. They're like
Speaker 2: they're like five moves ahead, you know, and they're and
Speaker 2: and they're they're figuring out the best way to facilitate
Speaker 2: like that end game. You know, then I've already seen
Speaker 2: and like if that potentiality collapses, it's like, okay, you
Speaker 2: know there are this there's said they're rapidly reorienting towards
Speaker 2: you know, another outcome that's like five moves ahead. You know.
Speaker 2: That's and that the same thing with the game theory.
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to fight and win a
Speaker 2: nuclear war, I don't I want to get into the
Speaker 2: debate about like, you know, can win a nuclear war?
Speaker 2: There's an ethical judgment and also like yes you can,
Speaker 2: but it depends on what the victory metric is. And
Speaker 2: that's that's uh that that's not an absolute criteria. But
Speaker 2: point being, if you're gonna fight and win a nuclear war,
Speaker 2: you you basically have to be three steps ahead. Okay,
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't be rendering decision, you know, in
Speaker 2: the in the moment and waiting for way, waiting for
Speaker 2: the variables to reveal. But uh so Hitler, Hitler realized
Speaker 2: that god damn one thing, I lost my train of
Speaker 2: thought as I'm still like not a one hundred percent. Oh,
Speaker 2: Hitler took on December one, uh, you know, right, just
Speaker 2: on December eleventh, and we'll get into this next time.
Speaker 2: That was that was Hitler's speech to the Reichstag, you know,
Speaker 2: where he announced that the declaration of war against the
Speaker 2: United States. This was also you know, as the assault
Speaker 2: on Moscow was was was was failing, like catastrophically. Hitler
Speaker 2: a famous Nations of the Order, you know, the Army
Speaker 2: group center, don't you dare retreat? And this is characterized
Speaker 2: as like Hler being you know, like this madman. But
Speaker 2: Hilo was a salvage. Uh what remained of the operation
Speaker 2: because Moscow had to fall in December or all was lost. Okay,
Speaker 2: And I believe he knew that on some level, and
Speaker 2: everything I think subsequent was an anti climax. But apparently
Speaker 2: apparently ok W over you know, Bermont high command. This
Speaker 2: was when w Chief Operations Walter Varlamont, he contacted Yodel
Speaker 2: and said, you know who was then a who was
Speaker 2: then chief of operations of OKW Arland, you know, said
Speaker 2: you know, can you have you heard of the fear
Speaker 2: is that declared war in America? You know? Yodel said yes,
Speaker 2: and according to Varlo Mont, like Yodel is like white
Speaker 2: is a sheet, you know, it said that. You know,
Speaker 2: now the the you know, the the general stab is
Speaker 2: charged with you know, no way to examine where where
Speaker 2: the United States is like mostly going to employ the
Speaker 2: bulk of our forces initially, whether it's the far East Europe,
Speaker 2: and we can't take further decisions until that has been clarified.
Speaker 2: Villamont replied, well, he said, this is obviously a necessary consideration,
Speaker 2: you know, commissioning this analysis. But he said, you know,
Speaker 2: he said, this is mad. We've never been considered a
Speaker 2: war against the United States, and we have no data
Speaker 2: on which to base this examination. We can hardly undertake
Speaker 2: this job. Just like that. Hitler fired for Elman what
Speaker 2: he heard of this and said he never wanted to
Speaker 2: see him again or speak to him. Hitler sidelined Yodel,
Speaker 2: and Hitler said, you know what, I'm making myself a
Speaker 2: chieve a staff of ok w Hitler said, there's nothing,
Speaker 2: he said, there's nothing that like he said, there's nothing
Speaker 2: like a general, a staff officer, a feld Marshall can
Speaker 2: teach an army. What what he can do is he
Speaker 2: can educate them politically, you know, and he can explain
Speaker 2: to them what needs to be done by inundating them
Speaker 2: with an understanding of the stakes they're in. Now again
Speaker 2: people turn around to say, like that meglomaniac Hitler, like
Speaker 2: he appointed himself chief of okw Well you know what
Speaker 2: he did by doing that? Everything that went wrong. Now
Speaker 2: Hitler could not issue responsibility for okay, from that point forward,
Speaker 2: he couldn't blame the generals or the army for sabotaging anything.
Speaker 2: Or it seems like the play of a man who
Speaker 2: was trying to avoid responsibility or take on offices you know,
Speaker 2: symbolic or or wielding actual authority, you know, for the
Speaker 2: sake of for the sake of glory. But part of
Speaker 2: Hitler's rage here, you know, it was against Varlomont. It
Speaker 2: was what the hell you're talking about? Like, the whole
Speaker 2: reason we're doing this is because America is going to
Speaker 2: destroy us. You know, we don't survive unless we become
Speaker 2: a superpower. You know, we don't survive unless we can
Speaker 2: compete on at least conditions to parody with the United States,
Speaker 2: you know, and fortify you know, fortify the Western the
Speaker 2: Atlantic Wall, and such depth that it's essentially suicide to
Speaker 2: assault it, you know, and and sort of force America
Speaker 2: to accept UH our hegemony over the continent and Central
Speaker 2: Asia west of the Uralls, just as you know, everybody's
Speaker 2: every you know, all other all rival sovereign powers are
Speaker 2: are you know, must accept Americas to Germany pursua for
Speaker 2: the them in Roe doctrine. And that was uh, that
Speaker 2: was Hitler's thinking, you know, it's his exact words. It's
Speaker 2: were this little, this little affair of operational command is
Speaker 2: really something anybody can do. The commander in chief's job
Speaker 2: is to train the army in the national socialist idea,
Speaker 2: and I know of no general who could do that.
Speaker 2: Is I want it done. For that reason, I've taken it.
Speaker 2: I've taken command of the army myself. The European winner
Speaker 2: of nineteen forty one. In the forty two was, uh
Speaker 2: was the coldest the twentieth century. There's rarely temperatures of
Speaker 2: forty nine below fahrenheit, just just horrible conditions to fight.
Speaker 2: And you know, but again it's the UH. Germany was
Speaker 2: racing the clock, you know, it wasn't just Stalin planned
Speaker 2: to assault the German Reich. Absolutely, but even with that
Speaker 2: not the case, you know, Germany had to survive. Germany
Speaker 2: had to they had to win in the East before
Speaker 2: America was able to was able to accomplish full mobilization.
Speaker 2: And the Rainbow five document, which was leaked, you know,
Speaker 2: for years, it was blamed on poor hap Arnold deliberately
Speaker 2: I believe, by intelligencelement the United States. But but the
Speaker 2: entire league in the Rainbow five document was to convince
Speaker 2: Berlin and specifically Hitler, that America could reach full mobilization
Speaker 2: potential and deploy in both the Pacific and the European
Speaker 2: battle theater. You know, with the they basically pushed it back,
Speaker 2: push it forward a year in in in you know,
Speaker 2: control was actually possible, you know, and Hitler saw the
Speaker 2: writing on the wall, and that's why it's laughable. And
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it raised this again because we're
Speaker 2: talking about like the real Hitler here and and his
Speaker 2: ambitions as well as his character is warlord. But there's
Speaker 2: this idea that you know, Hitler declared war in the
Speaker 2: United States for no reason or because he was a
Speaker 2: crazy man, or because he wanted he wanted to quote
Speaker 2: distract people from the looming failure in the East, which
Speaker 2: makes no sense whatsoever. But it's you know, I the
Speaker 2: United State has already declared war on Germany. The fact
Speaker 2: though on December eleven, or I'm on September eleventh, another
Speaker 2: US September eleventh, ninety forty one, when you know, the
Speaker 2: Department of the part the War Department declared that any
Speaker 2: any German flagship UH in the North Atlantic encountered by
Speaker 2: American vessels will be destroyed, you know. So that's that's
Speaker 2: in strategic terms and political terms, all this, I mean,
Speaker 2: all this coalesces into you know, an inevitability that you know,
Speaker 2: an American global superpower means that Germany parishes and Germany
Speaker 2: is Europe, and Europe is Germany, and power political terms
Speaker 2: such that we're I sent in the twentieth century, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's that's another thing too. And we'll get into
Speaker 2: this as as we get into some of the second book.
Speaker 2: This some of the substance stuff in the second book Hitler.
Speaker 2: Hitler viewed the Soviet Union. It's kind of a Frankenstein's monster,
Speaker 2: where there was this revolutionary cadre piloting the proverbial head
Speaker 2: that without that kind of firm control on the other
Speaker 2: machinery of that monstrous head, you know, the entire the
Speaker 2: entire set of Golam just just it collapses, you know,
Speaker 2: or perhaps it's hijacked by you know, socialist nationalists, Russian
Speaker 2: elements obviously, you know, like like mister Yaki predicted as well.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't m But you know, the nascity globalism,
Speaker 2: which everybody understood, is what underlay the Second World War
Speaker 2: and power political developments both preceding it and intrinsic to
Speaker 2: the conflict itself. Everybody realized that, you know, the the
Speaker 2: advantage in terms of what would structure like what system
Speaker 2: would structure the planet, like went to America. You know
Speaker 2: what the Union had going for it was military, you know,
Speaker 2: so there's that too. And obviously this was you know,
Speaker 2: pre atomic age, so that didn't teach into the equation.
Speaker 2: But let me see what I'll say. There's something else
Speaker 2: I think I want to do. Mention. Yeah, well, uh again,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I mean kind of scattershot. I'm still I'm
Speaker 2: still not one hundred percent. We'll get into the brass
Speaker 2: tax of We'll get into the brass tax of. Still,
Speaker 2: if he's characterization of Hitler, the Sims book will get
Speaker 2: directly into some of the Sims claims, and you know,
Speaker 2: there will be kind of a a comparative retrospective, you
Speaker 2: know on these kinds of soft revisionist views of of
Speaker 2: the fear, like what they have in common with you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of in terms of historical agreement and what
Speaker 2: they don't. And then maybe, uh, maybe we'll conclude, you
Speaker 2: know with discussing told a little bit more and you
Speaker 2: know kind of like the personal side of Hitler and
Speaker 2: how that's been that that's that's been kind of more
Speaker 2: more addressed, more and more and more mature and sober
Speaker 2: way as well, which makes sense because what we're godless
Speaker 2: feel we're as about anyone feels about a giant historical personage,
Speaker 2: it's you know, his personal life such that it exists,
Speaker 2: and then given cases, is essential understanding the man. And
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's all I got. Like I said, sorry
Speaker 2: if I if I wasn't up to snuff. I'm still
Speaker 2: getting over my last about of a hutod misery.
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Speaker 1: All right until part two? Thank you, Thomas, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the
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Speaker 2: Going well, man, Yeah it was. It was a very
Speaker 2: good trip. And West Virginia is a fascinating place and
Speaker 2: it's a really it's just really interesting part of the country, man.
Speaker 2: And it's still America is so big. There's still like
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of differences between places,
Speaker 2: you know, on the ground, like at the local level,
Speaker 2: and that that was no exception. Like I went to
Speaker 2: this guy's Like there's this guy like an antique like
Speaker 2: junk shop, and what he looked just like he like
Speaker 2: he literally just looked like some a horder like sitting
Speaker 2: in a garage or the things like what he was
Speaker 2: he was like selling the shitty hordes. And uh, there
Speaker 2: was some like fascinating stuff there, some of which was
Speaker 2: like not remotely politically correct.
Speaker 1: There when you get to the South. When you get
Speaker 1: to the South, you can find a lot of places
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Well fastating Like Buddy Damon, who was from a shy town,
Speaker 2: he uh he found this. Uh he found this menu
Speaker 2: from a Picaninnies rest runs. Uh. It's like a it
Speaker 2: was on like a you know, like it was like
Speaker 2: it was like a menu that's like also like a
Speaker 2: mask you know, in in front of your face, like
Speaker 2: uh the right player leading correct defection of uh I
Speaker 2: guess a pick and then eat and then like we
Speaker 2: look at the back and it was uh it was
Speaker 2: it was from a freaking location that was on like
Speaker 2: West Madison in Chicago, like back in the day. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's wild. But uh yeah, all that all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff that people, I guess, I kind of stuff
Speaker 2: that makes like redditors like soil their painties with like
Speaker 2: outrage and shock or something like whoa, just whoa this
Speaker 2: used to exist Like uh but that I mean, you
Speaker 2: find some pretty weird shit like here, you know in Chicago,
Speaker 2: like that d DR helmet that's like an original like
Speaker 2: Volks PULITZI like M fifty six helmet I totally I
Speaker 2: found this like random antique shop and there's this old
Speaker 2: lady's like, oh that's my husband stuff. It's give me
Speaker 2: like thirty dollars for it, So like yeah, bet, but
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, it's like I saw it's
Speaker 2: like weird in an entirely different way. And but we
Speaker 2: went to this like really good barecue place. Like my
Speaker 2: guts weren't bringing means it's got a pepsi but uh,
Speaker 2: it was just it was literally like these two trailers
Speaker 2: and like this guy, uh, this like boss hog looking
Speaker 2: guy like working at grill and like uh and then yeah,
Speaker 2: like a couple of like picnic tables. It's like an
Speaker 2: eating area and like it's like this is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: You know. I cash only of course. So yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: like Rustic America lives on at least in West Virginia's
Speaker 2: that's good to see. Man. I spend so much time
Speaker 2: in like big cities, you know, I uh and and
Speaker 2: being like in places you know, like Baltimore suburbs like
Speaker 2: DC or it's like damn, man, like's everything been like
Speaker 2: homogenized into into a big like Walmart. So it's it's
Speaker 2: good to see that ship. Yeah, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up in the city and now living where
Speaker 1: I live. It's when I go to the city now
Speaker 1: that I'm like, what the hell's going on here? I
Speaker 1: don't really know. I want to go Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to go back to the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the country is dope. But I'm a Slickers,
Speaker 2: so like I can't permanently leave. I like, uh, I
Speaker 2: can only survive like in this ecology or something like
Speaker 2: I don't know, like too much wholesomeness and clean air.
Speaker 2: It might like kill me.
Speaker 1: But all right, man, Part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I something I think I need to emphasize. And
Speaker 2: like I said, like the reason I discussed primarily the
Speaker 2: Sims biography of Hitler from twenty seventeen last time, when
Speaker 2: I said Roosevelt was Hitler's primary was Hitler's mortal enemy.
Speaker 2: Like people must understand what I'm saying. That's not you know,
Speaker 2: people kind of accept mainstream narratives. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know Hitler was anti American. No no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm saying. And it's not Hitler didn't
Speaker 2: cove it. I mean, Hillar definitely was practicing like Velt's
Speaker 2: politique and uh like gross wrong politique. But I mean
Speaker 2: this idea like oh, hilar had American sites on ground
Speaker 2: to some ambition for you know, like like world domination.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous too, I mean for no other reason. I
Speaker 2: mean ridigulous conceptually. But Germany. Germany is a country. It's
Speaker 2: smaller than Wyoming, Okay, I mean it's just not. And finally,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said in one of our earlier series,
Speaker 2: I cited Hannah Rent it was an interesting thinker for
Speaker 2: a few reasons, but one of uh in her book
Speaker 2: The Origin of Sutalitarianism, which is a stupid title because
Speaker 2: that sounds like just some kind of boiler plate you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like dummy academia type work product of the
Speaker 2: kind that came out of the era. But it's actually
Speaker 2: a really insightful book. And you know, she was an
Speaker 2: actolte a heigha girl. It may have been like a
Speaker 2: romantic partner of his, but you know, she's not making
Speaker 2: the point that like Hitler wasn't a nationalist and then
Speaker 2: like German nationalism was dead, you know, and the you
Speaker 2: don't understand national socialism and you don't understand the move
Speaker 2: Hitler was making if you don't understand that he was
Speaker 2: thinking in terms of like the superpower age, you know,
Speaker 2: and to survive, Europe had to be able to capture
Speaker 2: you know, the land and racesources that it needed in
Speaker 2: order to in order to mobilize into into a superpower.
Speaker 2: You know, like the future belonged to the United States
Speaker 2: and the Soviet Union and and their respective ideology, because
Speaker 2: unless Europe could find a way to survive. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, Roosevelt was Roosevelt due to Hitler as his
Speaker 2: as his adversary. You know, the New Deal regime, it
Speaker 2: was a revolutionary regime in all kinds of ways in
Speaker 2: terms of its values and underlying philosophies, but it base
Speaker 2: also the framework for globalism, at least conceptually, was being
Speaker 2: laid by the ideologies of the day, and the New
Speaker 2: Deal was no exception. And if another reason, you know,
Speaker 2: like we've told we haven't really talked about this here,
Speaker 2: and it's it's outside the scope. But like the Great Depression,
Speaker 2: I I don't think it's mysterious. I mean, I think,
Speaker 2: like I've said before, like Murray Rothbard's book on it,
Speaker 2: I think it's the best treatment. And Joseph Schumpeter his
Speaker 2: his his, his magnum opus business cycles was the huge undertaking.
Speaker 2: It's like two volumes. It's incredibly complicated, but that kind
Speaker 2: of explains over time how such things can occur at scale.
Speaker 2: But I mean it was basically a cash drout and
Speaker 2: it owed the absence of an integrated banking structure. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get a debate about like whether
Speaker 2: banking is evil or not, like the guys say, like
Speaker 2: banking on their brain or like cockroaches, like they'll infest
Speaker 2: like a discussion and then they won't shut the fuck
Speaker 2: up because they think bankers pissing their corn flakes. I
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about that. But what's what's what's
Speaker 2: inarguable though, is that, however you fall on the issue
Speaker 2: of you know, fiat currency in that entirere kind of
Speaker 2: category of of economics, you know, like like finance economics
Speaker 2: and monetary economics, it was clear that you know, not
Speaker 2: just for not not just not just owing to you know,
Speaker 2: conceptual and political reasons, but for structural reasons, you know,
Speaker 2: like globalism was was going to take shape somehow, so
Speaker 2: you're you're going to become a superpower or die. And
Speaker 2: you know, Roosevelt obviously owing to an affinity for the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union, but also viewing doing Europe as as as
Speaker 2: basically America's like primary adversary. I mean that that's perverse
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons, but within the kind of
Speaker 2: internal logic of of like the New Deal ideology, I mean,
Speaker 2: it makes sense. All Right, I'm gonna started. I want
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about Hitler's December eleventh speech
Speaker 2: to the I mentioned that before. It's tremendously important. Okay,
Speaker 2: for a long time. We're gonna talk about that. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about Roosevelt's radio address in nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 2: which was a direct challenge to Hitler, and then Hitler
Speaker 2: surprised everybody Hitler. Hitler directly responded to Roosevelt point by point,
Speaker 2: and the consensus was that he utterly destroyed him and
Speaker 2: like made him look like a fool. And the thing
Speaker 2: about Hitler was that Hitler wasn't a normal politician. He
Speaker 2: wrote all his own speeches, he didn't have speech writers,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he kind of founded the modern
Speaker 2: political campaign. Like, Hitler wasn't going around taking public opinion
Speaker 2: polls and like worrying about optics. You know, he put
Speaker 2: a premium on presentation and elon and a certain esthetic
Speaker 2: you know that would obviously animate people and kind of
Speaker 2: stir their passions. But in terms of the content of
Speaker 2: what he'd say, he he was basically like he was
Speaker 2: behaving like some kind of evangelical preacher almost you know.
Speaker 2: Everything came back to like the European cause and like
Speaker 2: the Natil Socials revolution, and these are ambitions. You know,
Speaker 2: this is what we have to do. You know, this
Speaker 2: is this is this, this can't be compromised. You know,
Speaker 2: these are the core principles, you know, like it was
Speaker 2: never Oh I'm talking. I'm talking you know, the German
Speaker 2: labor front, you know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend
Speaker 2: to be a worker or like you know now I'm
Speaker 2: talking to the I'm talking to you know, men who
Speaker 2: represent the textiles industry. So I'm gonna pretend you know
Speaker 2: that they're gonna get subsidies if they beck me and
Speaker 2: you know, put money in the calls like ship like
Speaker 2: that didn't even figure into the equation. Okay, Roosevelt, I
Speaker 2: think thought Hitler was was a politician. I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't think Roosevelt had a real interest in the
Speaker 2: rest of the world, you know, like he was worldly
Speaker 2: in the way that like the kind of the the
Speaker 2: old like Brahmin cast here was. But he you know,
Speaker 2: it's like Hitler was a polymath until his until Hitler's
Speaker 2: i'd say, before night and forty, you know, when hilar
Speaker 2: really started deteriorating in terms of his health and everything.
Speaker 2: Hitler didn't do anything all day but consumed data, you know,
Speaker 2: like out of gunch famously related. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: during during OKW briefings, like somebody would misstate the caliber
Speaker 2: of like an artillery piece, or like the specs of
Speaker 2: like an armored vehicle, and Hiller would correct him, and
Speaker 2: then like somebody would go check you know, in the
Speaker 2: in the in the in the tech manual and realize
Speaker 2: like Hitler was right, you know, like he he was
Speaker 2: he was uh so, I mean Hitler he had a
Speaker 2: weird rep for being, you know, a rep for being
Speaker 2: a weird bohemian who like slept late and stayed up
Speaker 2: late and had weird habits, which he did. But during
Speaker 2: his waking hours, everything Roosevelt said publicly Hitler paid attention
Speaker 2: to and took seriously, like everything Churchill said publicly, like
Speaker 2: everything that Soviet Union was doing. You know, he was
Speaker 2: studying it, you know, like he was, that's all he did.
Speaker 2: You know. So this idea that Roosevelt of like grandstanding
Speaker 2: and and he issued this kind of like dummy polemic
Speaker 2: you know about you know, Hitler being a threat to
Speaker 2: world peak something in that like that would just be
Speaker 2: allowed to stand, Like that's that's laughable. But we're gonna
Speaker 2: go backwards it bit because like I said, I think
Speaker 2: the starting point should be the Reichstek speech, because people
Speaker 2: don't understand why. First of all, that the Reichstek speech,
Speaker 2: it was never translated in English and full until the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. Sometimes like the New York Times ran a
Speaker 2: fake translation like full of Hitler saying crazy things like
Speaker 2: about he wanted to conquer the world and full of
Speaker 2: this kind of like vitrol against Jews and stuff. That's
Speaker 2: not what was said. And I came across the full
Speaker 2: like accurate translation and it was a dude for historical
Speaker 2: review stuff sometime in the nineties. But you know it's something,
Speaker 2: uh it's not. I mean, the speech was. It was
Speaker 2: significant for a few reasons. First of all, it was
Speaker 2: Hitler announced that we were up formingly at war with
Speaker 2: the United States as my declaration of war. And despite
Speaker 2: what people claim, you know, like I said before, America
Speaker 2: was waging war on the Third Reich for years, and
Speaker 2: then three months previously, the US Naval Commanded declared that
Speaker 2: they were gonna they were gonna fire on any any
Speaker 2: German flag ship they encountered, and then North Atlantic and
Speaker 2: then and then and then it was also declared that
Speaker 2: America's the contiguous zone to America's territorial waters was considered
Speaker 2: to be our essential defensive concord stretched from stretch all
Speaker 2: the way to Greenland and and and uh so, I
Speaker 2: mean it was just basically like America said, like anything
Speaker 2: in the Atlantic Ocean with the German flag, we're going
Speaker 2: to kill. Okay, you know, you don't get to turn
Speaker 2: around and then say like, oh, the Germans are making
Speaker 2: war on us. But so there was that. And also
Speaker 2: it's interesting because you know Hitler. Hitler fought American infantry,
Speaker 2: and like I said in the Sims book, he talked
Speaker 2: about how like the Americans are better than us, and
Speaker 2: Key weighs, Yeah, he wasn't some like dummy chauvinists at all,
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, he he was big into Americana.
Speaker 2: He loved King Kong, he love Coca Cola. He read
Speaker 2: Western books all the time, like well history as well
Speaker 2: as like Pulps. When he was a kid. I mean,
Speaker 2: he he knew America and like what it was about.
Speaker 2: You know. So this idea that he he just had
Speaker 2: some kind of like haughty disdain or that he was
Speaker 2: like some some hick from the sticks who didn't understand
Speaker 2: power political scale is ridiculous. But it's also too you know.
Speaker 2: The Wilson's intervention is what really changed the war. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't just mean I mean, they changed the outcome
Speaker 2: of the war, you know. So, I mean, any any
Speaker 2: American president was going to loom large in the mind
Speaker 2: of you know, a guy served as as a as
Speaker 2: a frontline Lonzo, even if he wasn't you know, politically
Speaker 2: engaged you a littlee the man who's you know, entur
Speaker 2: of life as politics. So there was a couple of
Speaker 2: key there's a couple the Speech of the Rights today again,
Speaker 2: it was Thursday. It was over a Thursday afternoon, December eleventh,
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one, four days after the Japanese assault in
Speaker 2: Pear Harvard. Obviously it was an eighty eight minute speech,
Speaker 2: which for Hitler was long. It uh, he'd written in himself,
Speaker 2: as he wrote everything himself. He explicated, he explicated why
Speaker 2: the state of the status of forces in in on
Speaker 2: the os Front, you know, which by then, um, the
Speaker 2: assault on Moscow was in the process of failing, so,
Speaker 2: I mean, a crisis was looming. So Hitler emphasized, you know,
Speaker 2: the the victories to that point, I mean, which were massive,
Speaker 2: you know, But mainly he talks about America, you know,
Speaker 2: like he doesn't he doesn't mention Stalin at all. He
Speaker 2: talks about the Soviet Union and how the Soviets, the
Speaker 2: Soviets acted in bad faith. He's like, we signed a
Speaker 2: non aggression packed because you know, we had no illusions
Speaker 2: that the Bolsheviks are our mortal enemies. But he said,
Speaker 2: we believe that they wanted peace, at least for the
Speaker 2: time being. He says that when it became clear to me,
Speaker 2: he said, it became clear to me that their attentions
Speaker 2: were were were a hostile when they when they immediately
Speaker 2: opened up diplomatic channels with the coup in Yugoslavia ninety
Speaker 2: forty one, which Yugoslavia was key to Jeremy's ability to
Speaker 2: deploy in depth obviously, and the coup was a was
Speaker 2: it was for all frederical purposes with a Chetnik coup, okay,
Speaker 2: you know. And Hitler said subsequently, you know, the Red
Speaker 2: Army is deployed offensively on our frontier. He said, only
Speaker 2: a full wouldn't realize the implications of you know, twenty
Speaker 2: thousand tanks and you know, dozens of divisions, you know,
Speaker 2: a raid on the eastern frontier. I mean, so he
Speaker 2: said that war was forced on us. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's an inevitability to this paradigm. Anyway. He talks about
Speaker 2: Churchill as being kind of just like a pathetic cipher
Speaker 2: of of the focus, which he was. But the rest
Speaker 2: of it, he talks about Roosevelt, and he talks about America.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what the bulk of the speech is
Speaker 2: dedicated to. You know, like while again German forces are
Speaker 2: actively engaged at the gates of Moscow and across you know,
Speaker 2: a two thousand mile front, you know, literally the greatest
Speaker 2: battle in human history. And Hitler's talking about Roosevelt in America,
Speaker 2: you know, not and that that's apropos, you know, he
Speaker 2: he basically outlined he well, first he starts out as saying, like,
Speaker 2: you know, look, he was like, we made repeated peace
Speaker 2: overtures to London, one of the last of which actually
Speaker 2: divided the war cabinet and almost cost uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the Churchill and government. It's mandate. Quoting Hilary says already
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty, it became increasingly clear from month to
Speaker 2: month of the plans of the men in the Kremlin
Speaker 2: were aimed to the domination and the destruction of all
Speaker 2: of Europe. I already told the nation that building a
Speaker 2: Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period
Speaker 2: when Germany he had only a few divisions in the
Speaker 2: provinces bording Soviet Russia. That's true, continuing, only a blind
Speaker 2: person could fail to see that the military build up
Speaker 2: a unique world historyld dimensions is being carried out. This
Speaker 2: is not in order to protect something that's being threatened,
Speaker 2: but rather only to attack that which was incapable of defense.
Speaker 2: Because people in this country to this day, I have
Speaker 2: this idea of Germany as being this kind of you know,
Speaker 2: almost almost this kind of I think they advanaged, almost
Speaker 2: like the Soviet Union is presented in Rocky for or something.
Speaker 2: But again Germany was this it's a country smaller than Wyoming,
Speaker 2: you know, and for context too, and Hiller gets into
Speaker 2: some of this. I'm not going to read a word
Speaker 2: for works, it would be pedantic. But you know, the
Speaker 2: issue of Czechoslovakia, as we got into in one of
Speaker 2: our earlier series, Czechoslovakia was the most artificial of states.
Speaker 2: Bene's literally had no mandate to rule. Roosevelt and his
Speaker 2: press corps presented it when very rapidly the bulk of
Speaker 2: a Czechoslovak territory came under German dominion. As I'm sort
Speaker 2: of like threatening Ledgard Maine, you know, leading like the
Speaker 2: kind of bullying occupation of a sovereign country. That's not
Speaker 2: remotely what happened. Her contexts to Prague is as the
Speaker 2: girl flies two hundred and two hundred miles from Berlin.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about that. I think it was uh,
Speaker 2: I think it might have been a hass he said.
Speaker 2: The Jigo Slovak state is a contrivance and it literally
Speaker 2: is like a knife like pointed at the heart of Germany,
Speaker 2: which is true. It came into existence through the French
Speaker 2: needed some sort of ally in the east in in
Speaker 2: order to stage you know, assault operations from and in
Speaker 2: the in the era of military aviation which was then
Speaker 2: burgening at pace. Like the implications were obvious, okay, but
Speaker 2: because it may like, as we discussed, the Sudton Land
Speaker 2: was ceded to the Reich, which was overwhelmingly German. After that,
Speaker 2: Father Tiso and uh, the Slovax seceded from the Czechoslovakian Union.
Speaker 2: I mean at that point it was a foregrong conclusion.
Speaker 2: Like what I mean, that's like saying that's like saying
Speaker 2: like East Germany should have Like it was a tragedy
Speaker 2: that East Germany ceased to exist. I mean, like I
Speaker 2: what I still this day, I don't understand, Like what
Speaker 2: the proposed alternative was it should they should the British
Speaker 2: have assaulted Czechoslovakia to force it to exist, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not how political realities work. It's it's
Speaker 2: literally asinine. But moving on, Hitler continues by saying he
Speaker 2: essentially says what Suberov echoed later, that the rapid conclusion
Speaker 2: of the war in the West, you know, May to
Speaker 2: June nineteen forty, meant that that that changed things in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, Moscow strategic perspective, they couldn't count
Speaker 2: on They counted on the They counted on the right
Speaker 2: either exhausting its offensive capabilities rapidly and not being able
Speaker 2: to reconstitute, you know, for for months, if not years,
Speaker 2: or some sort of quagmi or stalemate setting in you
Speaker 2: know whereby whereby the only where where where by? Germany
Speaker 2: had nothing to deploy in depth in the East other
Speaker 2: than uh, you know, maybe like a skeleton prove of conscripts,
Speaker 2: which would make for you know, easy pickings the you know,
Speaker 2: thus super Raw's icebreaker descript or you know, let the
Speaker 2: let's let the German rike, you know, break the proverbial
Speaker 2: ice of what remains of capitalist power in the continent,
Speaker 2: you know, and then the Red Army will assault and
Speaker 2: take it all. And that stuff that reached the Atlantic
Speaker 2: mostly again to me, are some what Hitler says about
Speaker 2: his worldview. I'm quoting Hiller now. At about the midpoint,
Speaker 2: he says, what is Europe? There is no geographical definition
Speaker 2: of her continent, but only an ethnic national the word
Speaker 2: he uses vocalish and cultural one. The frontier this continent
Speaker 2: is not that rural mountains, but rather rather the line
Speaker 2: that divides the western outlook on Lighte from that to
Speaker 2: the east. Now, if you look at a map, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if people spend time with maps anymore,
Speaker 2: I mean, just looking at maps, Europe's an indefensible rump peninsula.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not there's not a Sahara desert or
Speaker 2: an Appalachian mountain range between Europe and the other. It's
Speaker 2: somewhat amazing that Europe existed at all, you know, really,
Speaker 2: and it's it's essentially starret of natural resources. You know,
Speaker 2: Europe's very beautiful in terms of its vistas and things,
Speaker 2: but it's basically a wasteland if you're talking about tertiary
Speaker 2: economic capital and things like that. Okay, So that points
Speaker 2: while taken, you know, Europe's an idea. You know, Europe's
Speaker 2: not subs are in Africa. Europe's not you know, East Asia.
Speaker 2: Europe's not North America. You know, like Europe only exists
Speaker 2: as like it's it's the mentioned material and the several
Speaker 2: cultures that constituted Hillarine proceeds to break down his view
Speaker 2: of you know, kind of like European origins or like
Speaker 2: Aryan origins. Okay, and again, as I said before, Aryan
Speaker 2: wasn't some scare word that's philologists that that was like
Speaker 2: what does the term they used? Okay, and it's not.
Speaker 2: It's been appropriated by some dummies, but as well as
Speaker 2: you know the usual suspects, you know, like commi's hysterical,
Speaker 2: s poc types, like other other other shit bigs. But
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not an idiot. It's not an ideologically
Speaker 2: loaded word. You know, it shouldn't be. And I find
Speaker 2: I find Indo European to be clungy unless you're ill
Speaker 2: linguist and you're simply talking about, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: the nuances of linguistic development. We're talking about like an
Speaker 2: actual culture of people like Aryan is appropriate. Okay. It
Speaker 2: was stated at one time Europe was confined to the
Speaker 2: Greek Isles with a flame first burned that slowly but
Speaker 2: steadily enlightened humanity. And when these Greeks fight against the
Speaker 2: invasion of the Persian conquerors, they did not just defend
Speaker 2: their own home, small homeland, which was Greece, but also
Speaker 2: the concept that is now Europe. And then the spirit
Speaker 2: you're shifted from Hellos to Rome. Roman thought and Roman
Speaker 2: state craft combined with Greek spirit and Greek culture. An
Speaker 2: empire was raided, the importance and creative power of which
Speaker 2: has never been matched, much less surpassed, even to this day.
Speaker 2: And when the Roman legions defended Italy in three terrible
Speaker 2: wars against the attag occurred that Troman Africa and finally
Speaker 2: battled the victory. In this case as well, Romean fought
Speaker 2: fought not just for herself, but also for the Greaco
Speaker 2: Roman world that then encompassed Europe. The next invasion against
Speaker 2: the home soil of the new culture of humanity came
Speaker 2: from the white expanses of the East. A horrific storm
Speaker 2: of culture was horror from the center of Asia, poured
Speaker 2: deep into the heart of the European continent, burning, ravaging
Speaker 2: and murdering a true scourge of God. On the Catalonian fields,
Speaker 2: Roman and Germanic men fought together for the first time
Speaker 2: in a decisive battle of tremendous importance for a culture
Speaker 2: that had begun with the Greeks, passed on to the Romans,
Speaker 2: and then encompassed the Germanic peoples. Europe had matured. The
Speaker 2: occident arose from heuse in Rome and for many centuries
Speaker 2: its defense with the task not only the Romans, but
Speaker 2: above all of the German people. What we call Europe
Speaker 2: is the geographic territory of the Occidans, enlightened by Greek culture,
Speaker 2: inspired by the powerful heritage of the Roman Empire. It's
Speaker 2: territory and large by German colonization, or was the German
Speaker 2: efforts fighting back engaged in from the east or on
Speaker 2: the Strut or on the Lechfeld plane or others pushing
Speaker 2: back Africa from Spain or a period of many years.
Speaker 2: It was always a struggle in developing Europe against a
Speaker 2: profoundly alien outside world. There's this heavy stuff for uh,
Speaker 2: for for a consler or a president or a prime minister. Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean I I think that goes without saying. And
Speaker 2: it's not it's it's not just it's it's it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not just like hyperbole or can polemic of the
Speaker 2: kind that they you know of that was common to
Speaker 2: the nationalist era or whatever. It kind of dismissive suggestion
Speaker 2: is favored by cored academics of these days. And also
Speaker 2: what he's saying, what he said was inarguable, like all
Speaker 2: those things are true, you know what. And then and
Speaker 2: we'll get to the meat of the kind of Roosevelt
Speaker 2: the challenge countra versalt in a minute, but he goes
Speaker 2: on to say specifically that you know, we're now engaged
Speaker 2: in a war for our civilization against another terror from
Speaker 2: the east. And this is only this is only possible
Speaker 2: owing to the you know, the volunteers from Croatia, from Italy,
Speaker 2: from Spain, you know, from Norway, from Denmark, from France.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a European war. There are no
Speaker 2: more Germans, there are no more Norwegians, there are no
Speaker 2: more Frenchmen. You know, this is the battle of the
Speaker 2: Oxten and for survival against the Barbarian Asiatic horde. And
Speaker 2: you know, the Jewish capitalist ideology that's facilitating its attack
Speaker 2: on us, you know, exemplified by mister Roosevelt. That's and
Speaker 2: he concludes kind of the summation, I like the strategic
Speaker 2: situation by saying, you know, this is what happens on
Speaker 2: these battlefields is going to resonate for five thousand years,
Speaker 2: you know, and Europe will not survive unless it's victorious,
Speaker 2: you know, And again I mean that that's an arguable too.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't you don't have to be a
Speaker 2: Hitler partisan to accept that how anybody can kind of
Speaker 2: contradict that reality anymore? And you know, kind of Parather
Speaker 2: refrains that, you know, Hitler is the double and this
Speaker 2: kind of like Life magazine perspective of the condition of
Speaker 2: the occident, you know, the circa nineteen forty one. I
Speaker 2: don't know how people can possibly think that way, but
Speaker 2: I mean people people think all kinds of crazy things.
Speaker 2: And now here's the meat of what we're of. What
Speaker 2: I want to emphasize, quote Hitler says, and now let
Speaker 2: me speak about another world when I was represented by
Speaker 2: a man likes to chat nicely at the fireside while
Speaker 2: nations and their soldiers fight in the snow and ice.
Speaker 2: Above all, the man who is primarily responsible for this war,
Speaker 2: speaking of Franklin denwoll Roosevelt. Obviously, it continues with regard
Speaker 2: to German's relationship with America, the following should be said.
Speaker 2: Germany is perhaps the only great power which is never
Speaker 2: in a colony in either North or South America, nor
Speaker 2: is it otherwise been politically active there, Apart from the
Speaker 2: emigration of many millions of Germans with their skills, from
Speaker 2: which the American continents originally the United States has only benefited.
Speaker 2: In the entire history of the development in existence the
Speaker 2: United States, the German Reich has never been hostile or
Speaker 2: even politically unfriendly towards the United States. To the contrary,
Speaker 2: many Germans against their lives to defend the USA. That
Speaker 2: is true, The German Reik has never participated in wars
Speaker 2: against the United States, except in the United States went
Speaker 2: to war against it in nineteen seventeen. It did so
Speaker 2: for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by Commission. What
Speaker 2: he's talking about is the NI Commission, which we covered
Speaker 2: uh in an earlier episode. I can'tnasalize enough how much
Speaker 2: World War One was kind of viewed as like the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War of its day. It was viewed as a
Speaker 2: lie that duke the American people, you know, killed one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand young men in the prime of their life,
Speaker 2: who were then later abused, you know, by being denied
Speaker 2: their their pension rights. Gerald and I I who wasn't.
Speaker 2: He wasn't some like America firster. He was a He
Speaker 2: was a big progressive liberal. He he chaired them, He
Speaker 2: convened the NI Commission, and basically, I mean it basically
Speaker 2: exposed that JP Morgan when it realized that it had
Speaker 2: you know, it's it it it had had been hedged
Speaker 2: adequately in it's in its loans to UH to the UK.
Speaker 2: You know, it essentially demanded you know, action from the
Speaker 2: White House when we all lived undo influence to get
Speaker 2: a war declaration. You know, like people were outraged by
Speaker 2: when this was coming out. You know, like no nobody
Speaker 2: viewed World War One as anything but a disaster and
Speaker 2: has a big lie. So you know, and Hitler obviously
Speaker 2: like like the view of a and and and I
Speaker 2: was shouted down by this coterie of a of a
Speaker 2: of of of all party men saying, you know, you're
Speaker 2: smirching them. You know that you're you're smirching the grave
Speaker 2: of of of a President Wilson when he's doing no
Speaker 2: such thing. And honestly, like even Hitler didn't talk about
Speaker 2: Wilson as being a bad man like Wilson, who was
Speaker 2: cast as kind of like naive guy. The fourteen points.
Speaker 2: Actually it was like the only kind of honorable piece,
Speaker 2: uh the situations that that that was presented. You know,
Speaker 2: that that honored the rights of combat. It's in any
Speaker 2: real way, you know, it was it was Wilson, who
Speaker 2: basically said that like you know, states have have an
Speaker 2: absolute right to you know, to to preserve them Jordan
Speaker 2: natural culture, you know. And it was it was the
Speaker 2: French and British delegation who basically laughed in his face
Speaker 2: and and and demanded vengeance, you know, like it was
Speaker 2: so I mean, I I wasn't wasn't burning Wilson in
Speaker 2: peruvial effigy, and honestly, and Hitler never held out Wilson
Speaker 2: as an evil man like he basically he basically looked
Speaker 2: at him as like a weak man was pulled over
Speaker 2: by by high finance and UH and DuPont UH, which
Speaker 2: was a which was a huge armaments concern among other things.
Speaker 2: You know, they they made, they manuf, they manufactured UH.
Speaker 2: Then they manufactured basically like everything that allowed the af
Speaker 2: to fight. You know what we talked about, like this
Speaker 2: is a rare instance of you know, financial financial concerns
Speaker 2: and and economics basically you know, being the being the
Speaker 2: approximate cause of of a of a of a war
Speaker 2: declaration or or like intervention at scale. You know. So
Speaker 2: it's not like hilar wasn't just saying crazy things. I mean,
Speaker 2: this was basically the majority opinion you know of not
Speaker 2: just of of Europeans and and of and of Germans,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously felt like uniquely aggrieved. But I mean
Speaker 2: in America, this is why, this is why people looked
Speaker 2: at it, you know, I mean at this wasn't u
Speaker 2: the fact, I mean honestly, like I think we talked
Speaker 2: about it in the New Deal when we're covering the
Speaker 2: New Dealers War and some the time Fleming scholarship. I mean,
Speaker 2: had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack, I
Speaker 2: don't think Rosell could have gotten a war mandate, you know,
Speaker 2: and once under our system, you know when I mean
Speaker 2: even today, even even post Watergate, when the executive has
Speaker 2: been gilded. You know, a a wartime president is base
Speaker 2: is for all practical purposes, you know, a lawn to himself.
Speaker 2: I mean like look at look at uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: look at look at Bush forty three, like I mean
Speaker 2: like he might have been like a goofy and effectual
Speaker 2: guy and whatever, but his his administration wielded real power, Okay,
Speaker 2: and that that only came that only derived from the
Speaker 2: fact that he was a wartime president, you know, no
Speaker 2: matter what, like all rhetoric kind of goes out the
Speaker 2: window of the of the opposition when when so situated.
Speaker 2: Vietnam is a weird exception, but that that's it's too
Speaker 2: complicated to get into here as a as a tangent.
Speaker 2: But that's I I I raised that because I'm sure
Speaker 2: people who aren't familiar with the history will just say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: Hitler's just maligning. You know, of course he's gonna say that.
Speaker 2: You know, world War One was based on a lie.
Speaker 2: That's not that wasn't just like Hitler's take, that was
Speaker 2: what everybody viewed it as. And frankly that that's what
Speaker 2: it was. You know, what, why why what? Why did
Speaker 2: America fight World War One? Because it just it just
Speaker 2: really really doesn't like it really doesn't like monarchs and
Speaker 2: like democracy has to reign like so, so we got
Speaker 2: to make sure that the British Empire can squeeze every last,
Speaker 2: the real last bit of reparations out of Germany. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously that was his was bullshit, but it's a the uh.
Speaker 2: And finally, interestingly, Hiler makes a nottive like the article
Speaker 2: to presidency. He says, America's a republic led by a
Speaker 2: president with wide ranging powers of authority. Germany was once
Speaker 2: ruled by a monarchy with limited authority and then by
Speaker 2: bocracy that lacked authority. Today is a republic of wide
Speaker 2: ranging authority. Between these two countries is an ocean. If anything,
Speaker 2: the differences between capitalist American Bolshevik Russia, if these have
Speaker 2: any meaning at all, must be more significant than those
Speaker 2: between the America led by a president and that Germany
Speaker 2: led by a fear And it's important too because obviously,
Speaker 2: you know the kind of the constant refrain, not just
Speaker 2: of Roosevelt's Roosevelt that is loyalist, but you know administrations
Speaker 2: before and since who want to malign people and countries
Speaker 2: they identified as opponent. They were talking about dictatorships. I mean,
Speaker 2: America's a presidential system. Like again, I mean there's there's
Speaker 2: few there's a few countries in the Western world or
Speaker 2: what or what was once the Western world that have
Speaker 2: a system that orbits around the chief executive to the
Speaker 2: degree that America is. Okay, So there was there was
Speaker 2: something of a of a weird irony to America going
Speaker 2: around saying, you know, mister Putin is a dictator, like
Speaker 2: you know, this country is a dictatorship. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like what as opposed to what like you, they should
Speaker 2: have They should have a House of Commons and a
Speaker 2: prime minister who can be ejected by no confidence vote.
Speaker 2: I mean you you know, I mean it's uh, the
Speaker 2: America is the the land of the sovereign executive, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that was that really is the legacy of
Speaker 2: Hamilton more than anything, and and to his credit in
Speaker 2: my opinion. But the what's there to think about this too,
Speaker 2: is that the Reichstag speech, I mean it was timely
Speaker 2: again because of the strategic situation, but also FDR in
Speaker 2: April fourteenth, nineteen thirty nine, it is radio address he
Speaker 2: issued this what was called his challenge to Hitler. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: the words of it were as follows. Quote. Because the
Speaker 2: United States, as one of the nations of the Western Hemisphere,
Speaker 2: is not involved in the immediate controversies which have arisen
Speaker 2: in Europe, I trust that you be willing to make
Speaker 2: such a statement of policy to me as head of
Speaker 2: a nation farabu from Europe, in order that I, acting
Speaker 2: with only responsibility and obligation of a friendly intermediary, may
Speaker 2: communicate such declaration other nation now apprehensive as the course
Speaker 2: which the policy of your government may take. Are you
Speaker 2: willing to give assurance that your forces will not attack
Speaker 2: or invade the territory possessions of the following independent nations Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,
Speaker 2: the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq,
Speaker 2: the Arabias, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran.
Speaker 1: Wow, now that's that's almost comical.
Speaker 2: And there's a at the in the Reichsteg speech. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's some footage of Hitler like reading that list down
Speaker 2: and if hands are like if hands are like a
Speaker 2: gearing like laughing likes his hands, you know. But the
Speaker 2: U Now let's uh, now, I mean, let's let's uh,
Speaker 2: let's let's think about this for a minute. And Roosevelt's
Speaker 2: list of countries that Germany was supposedly threatening. Let's let's
Speaker 2: break that down. Finland, the first country on the list,
Speaker 2: was invaded by the Soviet Union seven months later. They
Speaker 2: were actually allied with Germany from then on. Okay, the
Speaker 2: three Baltic nations mentioned were conquered in nineteen forty by
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. Later, Roosevelt accepted Stalind in corporation of
Speaker 2: the Baltic States in the USSR. Poland was assaulted by
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and by Germany, but the Soviet Union's
Speaker 2: assault apparently did but it didn't count. Neither Britain, France,
Speaker 2: or the US did anything the counter or the Soviet
Speaker 2: aggression against Poland when this always took complete control of
Speaker 2: nineteen forty four, the US had no had no problem
Speaker 2: with it. Hitler himself pointed out, Syria and Palestine are
Speaker 2: currently occupied by your ally, the United Kingdom, and you,
Speaker 2: mister Roosevelt, are working tirelessly to facilitate a Zionist conquest
Speaker 2: of Palestine, thus displacing the people or indigenous the region.
Speaker 2: So why why why why? Why? You tell me? I
Speaker 2: guess see what fair play for Palestine? So I but
Speaker 2: again it's some the uh, this this, this, this earned
Speaker 2: a sharp rejoinder because again I think I think Roosevelt thought,
Speaker 2: first of all, I think some of these guys, some
Speaker 2: of these like mornout types, that they're actually like high
Speaker 2: on their own bullshit, and they actually believe that when
Speaker 2: they said like Hitler's an idiots or he's like some
Speaker 2: or he's like some like bohemian hill billy you who
Speaker 2: can't read a map, like they these guys were totally outclassed.
Speaker 2: You know, it's some like I I think, uh, I
Speaker 2: think really thought this would like the fuddle Hitler or
Speaker 2: somehow you know, resonate with uh. You know, people who
Speaker 2: had a lesson sophisticated understanding of power politics. But it
Speaker 2: was clear like he didn't even he didn't even like
Speaker 2: study like who Germany's ops were at that time and
Speaker 2: like who they were kind of like integrated with, you know,
Speaker 2: politically and diplomatically, and you know, one of the in
Speaker 2: the case again a palace and in the Arab States,
Speaker 2: the as I made the point before about guys like
Speaker 2: von Leers and by the propaganda ministry generally, like these
Speaker 2: guys were actually broadcasting like Arab language broadcast to try
Speaker 2: and court like the Arabs, Like I mean, a lot
Speaker 2: of the reason why they were doing it was, you know,
Speaker 2: a to agitate against the United Kingdom. But the point
Speaker 2: is it's like it's like where the hell you pull
Speaker 2: this list out of? Like I don't know but it
Speaker 2: but like again I think, uh, these guys didn't these
Speaker 2: guys didn't they they weren't up on you know the
Speaker 2: character of Hitler and kind of what he was, what
Speaker 2: his tendencies were, you know, so he uh so Hitler. Uh.
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, Hitler issued a director rebuttal point by
Speaker 2: point anyway, and he broadcasted over the radio and uh
Speaker 2: even Gerald and I again, uh who he said that,
Speaker 2: you know, the president really took it on the chin.
Speaker 2: You know, the consensus was that like uh was that
Speaker 2: you know, worldso women handily smacked it down. And again too.
Speaker 2: It's also the this was you know, the generation after
Speaker 2: you know, the Great White Fleet, you know, Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 2: and scent the US Navy on its world literally its
Speaker 2: world tour. You know, you had you know, you had,
Speaker 2: uh America just you know a few your subsequent to
Speaker 2: that effort, you know, had deployed at scale the Europe
Speaker 2: you know, to literally change the course of World War One.
Speaker 2: You know, America was engaged in Asia. You know, he
Speaker 2: was engaged in you know, the the Banana Wars. The
Speaker 2: kind of sway what remained of of Iberian influence in
Speaker 2: in in Central and South America, you know, and again
Speaker 2: Germany we're talking about We're talking about Germany smaller than Wyoming.
Speaker 2: You know, So this now what's gonna lecture us about,
Speaker 2: you know, like belligerents, you know, and and what uh
Speaker 2: and what constitutes acceptable application of force in the course
Speaker 2: of uh of power, political ambitions and realities you know
Speaker 2: the uh So I don't, but it's I I made
Speaker 2: this point too because I again I think John Tolan
Speaker 2: made the point. I mean I realized hooland Tolan was
Speaker 2: certainly hostile the New Dealer perspective. You know, Toland was
Speaker 2: a true revisionist. He went with like the facts took him.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't he wasn't any kind of national Socialist
Speaker 2: or Hitler parties. I mean, he was just a rebalanced
Speaker 2: uh you know, scholar. But he his take was his
Speaker 2: take was that Roosevelt Roosevelt's you know, whole challenge of
Speaker 2: Hitler was basically a publicity stunt. Obviously it was not
Speaker 2: a serious initiative for peace. But you know, by that time,
Speaker 2: you know, the American President's viewed kind of everything they
Speaker 2: did as a publicity stunt. You know. In contrast, Hitler
Speaker 2: and to his credit Mussolini. They took seriously what official
Speaker 2: statements were from from national capitals. You know, they took, uh,
Speaker 2: they took seriously what the American president said as a
Speaker 2: statement of policy. You know, and when Hitler or al
Speaker 2: Duce you know, issued a statement, you could take that
Speaker 2: to the bank, like we're gonnass what if you think
Speaker 2: of the merit of you know, what policy was within
Speaker 2: the bound rationality of their strategic ambitions. You know, they
Speaker 2: they weren't, they weren't on publicity tours. They weren't saying
Speaker 2: things to kind of you know, spoof public opinion, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's that's something that's got to be acknowledged, like
Speaker 2: I and like I said too, like imagine even even
Speaker 2: in the nineteenth century or even in uh, even in
Speaker 2: arguably kind of the most uh, even the most kind
Speaker 2: of populist era in Europe, you know, after the excesses
Speaker 2: of eighteen forty eight then kind of quashed, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's still there's still remained kind of the the still
Speaker 2: they're still kind of remained a the sensibility of you know,
Speaker 2: the the Third of State having final say it was
Speaker 2: it's pretty it's pretty remarkable for you know, not just
Speaker 2: the rights consular, but any chief executive to publicly address
Speaker 2: the legislature and say, look, here's the military situation. Here's
Speaker 2: why I give the orders I did. These are a losses.
Speaker 2: You know, these are what we need to reconstitute in
Speaker 2: order to win. You know, this is my political vision
Speaker 2: for the future, and this is my view of you know,
Speaker 2: these men who positioned themselves our enemies. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just not that's a level of engagement and transparency that
Speaker 2: I don't really think exists. One of the reasons that
Speaker 2: like Putin and Putin is no Adolf Hitler, I don't
Speaker 2: even particularly, I don't. I don't think it's the best
Speaker 2: man for Russia. I think it's unfortunately for the Rusian people.
Speaker 2: He's not a better man who can rise the occasion
Speaker 2: for all kinds of reasons. But it will see about Putin, know,
Speaker 2: is that I think he is basically transparent. You know,
Speaker 2: you'd be hard for us to find a statement he's
Speaker 2: made on high politics, you know, war and peace questions
Speaker 2: that isn't exactly what you know intended policy was. So
Speaker 2: there's that too, Like I don't there's this, uh, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of like weird mythologies about about chief
Speaker 2: executives the states that America's fought in these twentieth century
Speaker 2: wars and there, and they're alleged bad character or whatever.
Speaker 2: But there's does this kind of does this ongoing like
Speaker 2: mythology that like, oh, Hitler was this liar and he
Speaker 2: was always resting like this this alledgered main Like it's
Speaker 2: really not true, you know. I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: Big U Czechoslovakia, you know, Munich in thirty eight and
Speaker 2: Barbarossa being those know, a sneak attack and violation of
Speaker 2: the not Aggression Pact. I guess said the kind of
Speaker 2: big points of contention for people who insist on that viewpoint.
Speaker 2: But again, I if I'll treat you law as permissive
Speaker 2: not compulsory, because it can't be because it's impossible. If
Speaker 2: the party to a treaty is acting in bad faith
Speaker 2: and in the case of an impact, he intends to
Speaker 2: attack you and is mobilizing for that purpose, You're not
Speaker 2: under some moral obligation to wait to be assaulted, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like saying I that's like saying, my
Speaker 2: man has to kill me, I've got to wait until
Speaker 2: he draws on me and fires. Otherwise I'm a bad
Speaker 2: actor for preemptively shooting him. I mean, it doesn't. This
Speaker 2: is not the way things work. And you know, I
Speaker 2: mean aside from that, if if if you take the
Speaker 2: side of the Soviet Union over Europe, I mean, regardless
Speaker 2: of the regardless of the merit of Hitler's decisions are
Speaker 2: like thereof you got something wrong with you, you know,
Speaker 2: like you you support your own civilization right or wrong.
Speaker 2: And finally in the case of you know, it hits
Speaker 2: the Czechoslovakia again, it was uh it uh it was
Speaker 2: there was a there, there was no center there, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean it it rapidly came apart literally once the
Speaker 2: Sugate in Land was ceded to Germany. Like there is
Speaker 2: no Czechoslovakia. It ceased to exist immediately after the inner
Speaker 2: German border came down. I mean, was that was was
Speaker 2: that like a crime against history too? Like should should
Speaker 2: we insist Czechoslovakia exist? I mean, I so there's not,
Speaker 2: you know, And that kind of surprised me, man because
Speaker 2: like honestly, I guess just because being more particuarly educated,
Speaker 2: but when I think about things that it kind of
Speaker 2: that kind of caused me to like give me pause
Speaker 2: about any positive feelings about Hitler. It's what he did
Speaker 2: to his friends on UH in June nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 2: and things like that, you know, I mean I to
Speaker 2: give you plausive a man who's willing to murder his
Speaker 2: friends or political expedience. It was what Hitler did. It
Speaker 2: seems to me to say, you know, I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not Adolf Hiller, and I'm not a man
Speaker 2: who wheels power over the fortunes of nations. But it's like,
Speaker 2: really like you're you're big, You're you're you're you're big,
Speaker 2: your big, and diamond Hitler's character is that Czechoslovakia seased
Speaker 2: to exist and this it was mean to attack the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union like it doesn't it doesn't really track. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I just I thought it important to get UH that
Speaker 2: out there. And during the UH, I want to cover
Speaker 2: the UH. I want to cover the the warriors and
Speaker 2: what specifically Roosevelt's final term where his mandate was evaporating,
Speaker 2: and I think Roosevelt wasn't quite in his that he
Speaker 2: didn't have his families about him anymore. And this resonated
Speaker 2: very much in the quarters of the third Reich. And
Speaker 2: there's a reason why the July twenty plot happened when
Speaker 2: it did. There's a reason why a lot of the
Speaker 2: intrigues within the Reich itself developed as they did. Stalin
Speaker 2: was making decisions looking forward to a future without Roosevelt.
Speaker 2: I mean, Stalin was pretty old himself. Excuse me, it
Speaker 2: was pretty old himself at this point. Okay, but I'll
Speaker 2: be very clear in the next episode. But on on
Speaker 2: what I mean. But I I I've mentioned before Hitler's
Speaker 2: a sumber eleventh Reich strike speech. I maintain it's it's
Speaker 2: critically important as as testimonial evidence in putting together uh
Speaker 2: not just an understanding of the psychology at Hitler as
Speaker 2: warlord and as a political actor, but also but also,
Speaker 2: you know, disabusing people of of a conceptual biases they
Speaker 2: have about you know, the the war declaration against the
Speaker 2: United States. It was it was just like some brazen,
Speaker 2: crazy act or some sort of attempt at as some
Speaker 2: sort of attempt at a gamble or something. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all I got for today. All Right, that was great.
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Speaker 1: All right until the next episode. Thank you, SAMs. Yeah
Speaker 1: man on, Welcome everyone back to the pe Conana Show.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Thomas, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: Thanks for hosting me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I guess we'll take this time to
Speaker 1: talk about this uh little project that we started and
Speaker 1: just released on on gum Road. We sat through and record,
Speaker 1: watched a movie and commented on it last week. I
Speaker 1: think you did an amazing job. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that. What you what you think people can
Speaker 1: get out of this?
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, people have long been requesting that
Speaker 2: there'd be more content relating to movies and things and
Speaker 2: U I uh, I yeah, I guess, uh, I guess
Speaker 2: it's kind of our version of Mystery Science Theater three thousand.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to think a little more serious commentary.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, man, there's a lot you know, film's
Speaker 2: an important media. I'm not. I mean, I grew up
Speaker 2: kind of living my curiousy for the movies, which I
Speaker 2: think is kind of a mean, that's kind of a
Speaker 2: that's a very American kind of rison me, you know,
Speaker 2: at least for people born before like nineteen eighty or so.
Speaker 2: But you know, it kind of like American cultural life
Speaker 2: exists like in cinema, you know, in a way that
Speaker 2: it doesn't in and other mediums. You know, I guess
Speaker 2: the Great American novel is a trope, you know. And
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, like there's there's still in this day,
Speaker 2: like you know, Americans make an impact on the literary scene.
Speaker 2: But like when we're talking about kind of like America's
Speaker 2: contribution of like you know, the the kind of like
Speaker 2: global cultural prestige like high high culture and like lowist
Speaker 2: of the low, we're talking about cinema. So I think
Speaker 2: that's important to man and then especially you know these
Speaker 2: days the kind of lament uh and it's and it's
Speaker 2: well placed, you know, and including like people like Martin
Speaker 2: Scorsese himself. There's not like real films being made by Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I think that's true, but there's something of a backlash
Speaker 2: against that. Then, you know, the kind of removal of
Speaker 2: barriers to entry in the form of you know, production
Speaker 2: tech becoming kind of democratized for lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like anybody can shoot a film
Speaker 2: man like who's got you know, I got bair minimum
Speaker 2: of investment in capital. So you don't make the point
Speaker 2: too that guys like Nicholas the Ref and Ryan Gosling
Speaker 2: are kind of keeping filmmaking alive, you know, like basically
Speaker 2: taking a loss on these passion projects. And I'm I
Speaker 2: just know, I just tweeted out, you know something about
Speaker 2: Kevin Kostner, who I'm not any like big fan of.
Speaker 2: I think he's like a well meaning guy, but I
Speaker 2: think some of his work product a ship. But he
Speaker 2: he made this big western like epic that's like three
Speaker 2: hours long. They had got the standing ovation at one
Speaker 2: of the big film festivals. I don't think it was Can's,
Speaker 2: but it was you know, one of something in the vein,
Speaker 2: So I maintaining that film is not just something for
Speaker 2: like old people nostalgics like me, or for you know,
Speaker 2: kind of people with subcultural interests. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: And feedback's been good, and like we talked about before,
Speaker 2: we went a while, I'm trying to think about what
Speaker 2: movie we should cover next, and uh, I'm welcoming feedback
Speaker 2: on the ad or you know, request from subscribers as
Speaker 2: to what they'd like to see reviewed, and obviously i'd
Speaker 2: be heavy to bite it, but yeah, I'm excited about it. Man.
Speaker 1: I just want to mention. I threw up a page
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Speaker 1: a link there to the Gum Road episode the video,
Speaker 1: and I also put audio up because I know some
Speaker 1: people are just not going to be able to sit
Speaker 1: down and watch video, so some people are still going
Speaker 1: to want to hear the commentary. And I had one
Speaker 1: guy in the live stream yesterday say I know that
Speaker 1: movie so well that I could listen to your to
Speaker 1: your commentary. I know exactly what scene you're talking about
Speaker 1: and vision and vision in my head, so I just film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I if you're like a movie person, the
Speaker 2: other films you watch like dozens of times over lifetime.
Speaker 2: And I mean even I've been like that some time
Speaker 2: as a kid. I I realized some people think that
Speaker 2: seems weird. Like I like years back, like a lady
Speaker 2: I knew was like, why, you know, why why do
Speaker 2: you always watch? Like why do you watch the same
Speaker 2: movies over and over? You know, I'm like, doesn't everybody
Speaker 2: do that films? Like like and she's like no, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well it's but I've been that way
Speaker 2: even before, you know, I had like a developed sense
Speaker 2: of of a film is kind of like a medium.
Speaker 2: Like I remember remember like in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 2: it'd be those like hobby table books like Leynard Multon's
Speaker 2: Movie Guide or like the the Home Video Guide to
Speaker 2: like movies, and it'd be like a thousand pages and
Speaker 2: it'd be like right up, so like every movie you
Speaker 2: can think of from you know, like the nineteen teens,
Speaker 2: like later Silent era, like until like the then President
Speaker 2: of like nineteen eighty five or whatever. I'd like pour
Speaker 2: over that shit for like hours, man, Like I you know,
Speaker 2: like because I was always like a data junkie. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: and before Internet, that's also like how you found out
Speaker 2: about like film titles, man, Like I remember A Future Kill,
Speaker 2: which is a bizarre movie, Like I found that through
Speaker 2: there Christian f which was like really kind of shocking.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: If you're like a kid in the eighties and know
Speaker 2: that was that West German movie about uh you know kids,
Speaker 2: uh like like homeless kids like who were strung out
Speaker 2: of heroin and like West Berlin. That's I was poignant.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know stuff like that, Like I
Speaker 2: I found that through like a Leonard Mountain movie guide
Speaker 2: and I was lucky enough. And like Greater Chicago land
Speaker 2: there was like a critical mass like independent video stores.
Speaker 2: Even after Blockbuster kind of connered the landscapes, you could
Speaker 2: you still find a lot of that stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a very good thing, man, this series.
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, so yeah freemam me on the Wall,
Speaker 1: dot Com, Forrest, Last Taxi Driver all one word and
Speaker 1: uh well let's get to it Itolf Hitler is Foreign
Speaker 1: Policy Episode three. How are you doing? Ready to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I mentioned earlier, on I put
Speaker 2: a I put a lot of premium in a lot
Speaker 2: of these and sort of soft revisionist takes that have
Speaker 2: crept into the mainstream. I means things are changing, you know,
Speaker 2: and but biographies of historical personages are always going to
Speaker 2: hit or miss. I mean, even people obviously aren't nearly
Speaker 2: as controversy always Little Hitler, because you know, even even
Speaker 2: even fairly objective historians, you know, they run the risk
Speaker 2: of interpreting events and stayed and send even the documentary record,
Speaker 2: they're kind of a lens of of of current affairs
Speaker 2: and things. And I mentioned before that Brendan Simms his book, uh,
Speaker 2: his twenty seventeen book hitlarc Glul biography, that's really great.
Speaker 2: I consider it. I consider it a base. He be
Speaker 2: on the level at John Toland's biography, and in terms
Speaker 2: of its scholarly integrity. Obviously Toland I I, you know,
Speaker 2: I Totland his book edges it out a bit because
Speaker 2: Totland quite literally, you know, was able to access Hitler's
Speaker 2: then living relatives, including his sister, and you know as
Speaker 2: well as you know, people who'd served a third Reich
Speaker 2: and critical capacities who wouldn't talk to anybody else but
Speaker 2: Sims his book. Uh. The only other book that focus
Speaker 2: is really on Hitler's g strategic vision and Hitler's view
Speaker 2: of the United States, which is absolutely key understanding Hitler's worldview.
Speaker 2: The only other book I found that deals with them
Speaker 2: in a dedicated capacity is this old book from the
Speaker 2: seventies that was put out by this Naval War college
Speaker 2: type called Hitler Versus Roosevelt. And kind of the focus
Speaker 2: of that book was the undeclared naval war between the
Speaker 2: United States and the Third Reich, which carried on literally
Speaker 2: for years for the form of regulation of the war.
Speaker 2: And that was an early example of a kind of
Speaker 2: revisionist text, you know, which of which you find in
Speaker 2: that era, like in kind of military science type of
Speaker 2: type of type of books, more than you would in
Speaker 2: kind of like more broad historical treatments. But that was,
Speaker 2: I mean, that was important. It was an important contribution.
Speaker 2: But obviously, you know, again it focused kind of more
Speaker 2: on in personal circumstances that you know, in that author's
Speaker 2: estimation kind of put Hitler and Roosevelt in a collision course.
Speaker 2: I take some exception to that, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 2: I Hitler Hitler was not unsophisticated on geostrategic reality. He's
Speaker 2: like quite the contrary, Like he really, he really did
Speaker 2: have like a forward looking perspective and even more than
Speaker 2: a lot of these, you know, people of aristocratic pedigree,
Speaker 2: you was supposedly you know, more cosmopolitan the leanings, you know,
Speaker 2: whether they're in the UK or Germany. Hitler, Hitler saw
Speaker 2: things that they didn't and obviously owing to the brutality
Speaker 2: of the war in the East, as well as the
Speaker 2: kind of dialectical nuance of finational socialism, you know, like
Speaker 2: people people a kind of view the Union, as you know,
Speaker 2: as the as the mortal enemy of the German Reich
Speaker 2: first last and always any kind of total existential terms,
Speaker 2: that's the wrong way to look at it. And you know,
Speaker 2: the degree to which Hitler himself, as well as kind
Speaker 2: of any you know, any any kind of right Hegelian
Speaker 2: which basically everybody was of Hitler's generation who you know,
Speaker 2: had any kind of grand theory of geopolitics. They they viewed,
Speaker 2: they viewed the kind of tragic course of uh Russo
Speaker 2: German affairs to be something of an inevitability, you know,
Speaker 2: almost like a phenomenon of nature. Germany's relationships to the
Speaker 2: United States was totally different and promised a lot more
Speaker 2: on uh on you know, ideological new wance that was
Speaker 2: somewhat accidental. I don't even know what I mean by that.
Speaker 2: But a point that Sims may be and I've always made,
Speaker 2: is that people need to read Hitler's second book to
Speaker 2: really understand what his perspective was. And there's a reason why,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Hitler after about nineteen twenty eight twenty nine,
Speaker 2: you know, he he kind of put it to the side.
Speaker 2: You know, I think, in my opinion, didn't feel that
Speaker 2: the body politic and the electorate was really ready for
Speaker 2: that kind of hard political realism, you know, and thus
Speaker 2: there people read a kind of inconsistency in some of
Speaker 2: Hitler's public statements, particularly after nineteen thirty, you know, God
Speaker 2: for the second book, which I think is a misguided
Speaker 2: I'll get in a way, I think that in a minute.
Speaker 2: But by nineteen twenty eight, like people, people kind of
Speaker 2: misunderstand that, uh, you know, the uh, the big people
Speaker 2: of view kind of the National Sols Party is like
Speaker 2: this crisis party that was only able to capitalize, you know,
Speaker 2: and breakthrough during the years when you know, the global
Speaker 2: depression like really kind of hit Germany hardest. I mean
Speaker 2: that's true, and it's not. I mean, like obviously the
Speaker 2: punctuated breakthroughs you know, like happened in those years. But
Speaker 2: Hitler's overall kind of program it it wasn't just based
Speaker 2: on quote resentment over Versailles. I mean, the Versite Treaty
Speaker 2: wasn't in ethical terms and and turn in practical terms,
Speaker 2: it wasn't worth the paper it was written on verbally,
Speaker 2: but that wasn't that wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: a mirror uh like like protests, vote party or something.
Speaker 2: The something Hitler constantly talked about in to Hess to
Speaker 2: Gearing too, you know, his intimates all and sundry as
Speaker 2: all as something he wrote about in the second book
Speaker 2: was that the greatest that the one of the biggest
Speaker 2: extential threats to Europe was was mass emigration, you know,
Speaker 2: and every time, every time Europe was hit with the
Speaker 2: punctuating crisis, you know, basically it lost you know, millions
Speaker 2: of people over you know, over a century. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly what it happened in Germany. A lot of people
Speaker 2: attributed to Hitler, they say, you know, they They suggested
Speaker 2: he borrowed the idea of a pan Europe, Pan Europa.
Speaker 2: This idea was kind of first got public kind of
Speaker 2: attention in you know, in the by marawenty three. This uh,
Speaker 2: this hung this Halfsburg diplomat, Count Richard cotenhave Calary. He was.
Speaker 2: He was the son of a of a Halfsburg diplomat.
Speaker 2: He was a guy of aristocretic pretorie cedigree. He'd married
Speaker 2: a Japanese woman, which is somewhat rare. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of cultural exchange between Germany and Japan, but
Speaker 2: like a Halfsburg Austrian aristocrat, like marrying a Japanese woman
Speaker 2: was kinda it was unusual, you know. He was uh,
Speaker 2: his his his ideas gained ground kind of as the
Speaker 2: internal situation deteriorated in Europe vis a viva the you know,
Speaker 2: the German economy and kind of the demands of the
Speaker 2: reparations regime. He was a he was backed early on
Speaker 2: by Max Varberg, who some people believe was uh what
Speaker 2: was a side from the Rothschilds. But be as it may,
Speaker 2: I mean whatever Calory. I don't know if he was
Speaker 2: Jewish or not. I think he was part Jewish by
Speaker 2: like heritage, but I don't he he did, in fact
Speaker 2: have like a vision of Europe that with an eye
Speaker 2: to render a Jewish strategically competitive. Like he wasn't just
Speaker 2: he wasn't just some banker like looking to insinuate this
Speaker 2: kind of you know, foe uh European ideology into what
Speaker 2: I'm on to do a kind of you know, a
Speaker 2: kind of the kind of a kind of program of
Speaker 2: capitalist rape. And although I know a lot of his
Speaker 2: detractors then and now like claim it, but because it
Speaker 2: may heinrich amand a year so twenty four he drew
Speaker 2: heavily upon keller GI's writings, and he published this kind
Speaker 2: of popular circular calling for you know, a United States
Speaker 2: of Europe to prevent you know, the con from becoming
Speaker 2: an economic colony of America. Now, the key takeaway of
Speaker 2: that again like Hitler didn't have any common truck with
Speaker 2: people like Hilarity and man, but you know, the understanding
Speaker 2: that America was really you know, if whether you're in Germany,
Speaker 2: whether you're in Japan, whether you're in China, whether you
Speaker 2: were in the Soviet Union, like your eyes were going
Speaker 2: into America as to like the future of like your
Speaker 2: great power opponent, okay, like that the degree to which
Speaker 2: this was in the minds of people can't be overstated, okay.
Speaker 2: And the degree to which American power, actual and potential
Speaker 2: dwarfed basically like everybody else combined, like can't be overstated, okay.
Speaker 2: And Hitler Hitler was very, very aware of this, and
Speaker 2: honestly too, in the political culture of Baymar this was
Speaker 2: something people kind of took for granted, you know, like
Speaker 2: the Social Democrats and not even twenty five twenty six,
Speaker 2: you know, as they were kind of trying to finesse
Speaker 2: moderate voters, you know, kind of take it to strike
Speaker 2: a more kind of like nationalist posture. I mean in
Speaker 2: however milk Too's terms. You know, they were they were
Speaker 2: talking about how the you know, the Europe needed some
Speaker 2: going to integrate banking structure and not just to get
Speaker 2: a handle on the reparations regime and to not you know,
Speaker 2: be uh tethered to the force end of the pound
Speaker 2: sterling at the American dollar. But you know, this was
Speaker 2: this was the way forward, you know, like anything anything
Speaker 2: else was a provincial in scope the uh, but it's
Speaker 2: also there was Hitler had a lot of admiration for
Speaker 2: the United States. You know, like we talked about before,
Speaker 2: people thought it was weird when it came out that
Speaker 2: uh at at at Eagles Nest. You know, like Hitler,
Speaker 2: uh Hiler had a bunch of like uh Coca Cola
Speaker 2: signs and stuff like in the parlor. Like Hitler loved
Speaker 2: Coca Cola and he liked he liked bowling, like he
Speaker 2: liked he like his favorite movie was King Kong. When
Speaker 2: he was a kid, you know, he was into he
Speaker 2: was into Western and stuff. You know, he he thought
Speaker 2: like Hollywood was awesome. I mean, he had exception to
Speaker 2: what he viewed as you know, it's the kind of
Speaker 2: sinuation of Jewish values into into the movie industry. But
Speaker 2: he was far from alone and in that take. But
Speaker 2: his idea that Hitler was something like provincial like Habspurg
Speaker 2: type hated America is complete nonsense, he you know, and
Speaker 2: uh Germans all went to American movies, you know, like
Speaker 2: from about nineteen twenty eight onward. You know, like basically
Speaker 2: like if you went to the cinema, you we were
Speaker 2: going to see like American movies. You know. There was
Speaker 2: a the uh Transatlantic uh flights by airship during like
Speaker 2: the brief sort of a sentence like airships as this
Speaker 2: big you know kind of a you know, travel platform,
Speaker 2: you know, like uh, like the big push was uh
Speaker 2: to link you know, Berlin with like New York, you know,
Speaker 2: as the ambition mean of course like turmed Berlin in
Speaker 2: like this kind of like world city. You know, this
Speaker 2: wasn't This was very much uh, this is very much
Speaker 2: like German looking to emulate. They weren't looking at emulate France.
Speaker 2: They weren't looking. People weren't looking other than people who
Speaker 2: were who had been like radicalizing, you know, the streets
Speaker 2: of Weimar, people who were just you know, kind of
Speaker 2: already ideologically dedicated only to their own you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like philosophical commitments. Like nobody in Germany was like
Speaker 2: looking east the Soviet Union as a model society. You know,
Speaker 2: they had, uh, they had they looked at America. They
Speaker 2: admiration and you know, so like small Off and the
Speaker 2: uh you know Frederick list uh who was considered kind
Speaker 2: of like the father of U of German national economics,
Speaker 2: you know, the guy he basically promised his entire paradigm
Speaker 2: on Hamiltonian economics, you know, like and he and he
Speaker 2: he openly acknowledged that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean he spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time in the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And it's also the uh you
Speaker 2: know Hitler also, Hillar had a keen understanding u he
Speaker 2: had no illusions about uh about this about you know,
Speaker 2: about the situation of of of Germany and like in
Speaker 2: Europe in general. And henna do what I minute too,
Speaker 2: like he now until not something like chauvinistic like nationalists
Speaker 2: or whatever, but he like, if anything, he especially he
Speaker 2: didn't say this on the campaign trail for obvious reasons,
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, like we talked about before, you know,
Speaker 2: this reputation of the national socialists being fixated on eugenics
Speaker 2: is misplaced because if anything, you know, America and unless
Speaker 2: you agree to Soviet Union, we're kind of like the
Speaker 2: hub of that sort of thinking. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler believed that Europe was basically sickly, you know, spiritually, biologically,
Speaker 2: every other way like conscou the United States, and he
Speaker 2: talked about that constantly. You know, like Hillar didn't go
Speaker 2: on saying like we're the master race, like quite quite
Speaker 2: the contrary part of that deliberate like mistranslation, part of
Speaker 2: that's just you know, like attributing kind of a caricaturish
Speaker 2: view to you know, Europeans generally, and you know Hitler specifically,
Speaker 2: but interestingly, you know Hitler also too. It went without saying,
Speaker 2: you know, that that communism was a blight and had
Speaker 2: to be eradicated. But I mean that was something that
Speaker 2: again in dialectical terms, that was something that just was
Speaker 2: it was was was taken for granted. You know, I
Speaker 2: mean like you're going around trying to convince communists, like
Speaker 2: you know, of the that they were misguided or or
Speaker 2: trying to explain to people why, you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be good for there to be some kind of Soviet
Speaker 2: revolution in Berlin, like you you know, you're you would
Speaker 2: have been pissing into the winds to dedicate yourself with
Speaker 2: those sorts of endeavors. But also again it you know
Speaker 2: that the kind of you a communism was almost like
Speaker 2: it was almost like it wasn't a mind virus or something,
Speaker 2: you know, like it was almost people going with view
Speaker 2: it almost like they would like BLM you know today,
Speaker 2: but obviously exponentially more serious and more dangerous. Like it's
Speaker 2: not it like goes out saying that they're your ops
Speaker 2: like what what what people like Hitler actually engaged with.
Speaker 2: You know, what the real danger was was explaining to
Speaker 2: people why, you know, Europe had to basically carve out
Speaker 2: an autonomous path or the situation at Germany and Europe
Speaker 2: in general eventually would be connpertal that of colony, you know,
Speaker 2: like Europe just become a colony the United States or
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, you know, if the Soviets militarily were
Speaker 2: able to you know, subsume all other all other competing powers,
Speaker 2: you know, just just by you know, at that point
Speaker 2: of that bayonet, like figuratively and literally, you know, Hitler said, uh,
Speaker 2: during the later stages of UH, you know, the kind
Speaker 2: of campaign to the Reichstag in nineteen twenty eight for
Speaker 2: for the you know, for richs that seeds, I mean uh,
Speaker 2: Hitler said He'll compared German Germany to India, and like
Speaker 2: the way that you know, he said that, uh on India,
Speaker 2: like Britain allows like these Hindus like keep their princes
Speaker 2: and their kings and it doesn't it doesn't divest you know,
Speaker 2: these aristocrats and in the rods and their o their wealth.
Speaker 2: I know, it'sn't pretend to have authority. But in reality,
Speaker 2: these guys are you know, these guys are are ciphers,
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're nobody's they're they're coolies who you know,
Speaker 2: dressed up and kind of the glamour of of of
Speaker 2: a sovereign court, you know. And you know, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, anybody who thinks that, you know, the real
Speaker 2: truth is not that you know, the Britain, that the
Speaker 2: Britain is the lord and the Indian is the slave
Speaker 2: is diluted, you know. And he said, uh, you know
Speaker 2: the you know, Hitler wasn't suggesting, you know, some kind
Speaker 2: of solidarity with kind of like you know, the wretched
Speaker 2: and oppressed the earth or whatever, you know, but he
Speaker 2: he was. He was saying that like basically, like this
Speaker 2: is the way, this is the way we're viewed by
Speaker 2: Europe and America, albeit for some of different reasons and
Speaker 2: something I'm gonna too, at this point there was real
Speaker 2: there was there was not There was no level laws
Speaker 2: to be the UK and America at this juncture, and
Speaker 2: as late really as uh the Edwardian era, the potential
Speaker 2: for America and Britain like going to war, especially overclaims
Speaker 2: in the Pacific, it was it was very real possibility.
Speaker 2: You know. So it's like the Hitler talking about the
Speaker 2: UK and America like having some convergence of interest but
Speaker 2: also being ops actual potential. That's not something like weird
Speaker 2: conceit of Hitler. That's the way everybody viewed it, because
Speaker 2: that was that was the truth, you know, the uh
Speaker 2: that ended because Churchill destroyed his country. He liquidated the
Speaker 2: empire and literally sold it to America. I mean, like
Speaker 2: had that not happened it you know, it's it's an
Speaker 2: open ended question, but the uh. But the main you know, Hitler,
Speaker 2: Hitler came back and again again and again to you know,
Speaker 2: angle what he called Anglo Saxon capitalism. Okay, and he
Speaker 2: distinguished He didn't say this was axiomatically the progeny of
Speaker 2: the Jewish political mind. But he said that you know,
Speaker 2: if you're talking at international finance and you're talking about
Speaker 2: the UK and America, you know there's always going to
Speaker 2: be like some aspect of Jewish power they're in. But
Speaker 2: he said that that doesn't mean, like you said, even
Speaker 2: though if we removed like jewelry from the equation, that
Speaker 2: does not mean that like Wall Street in London is
Speaker 2: our friend, you know, and this is what leads a
Speaker 2: lot of people to say, like, oh, Hitler was just
Speaker 2: a socialist or something like he was, but not in
Speaker 2: the way that people are talking like those kinds of
Speaker 2: people refer to. And you know, for context, one of
Speaker 2: Hitler's big targets was Parker Gilbert. Parker Gilbert died young,
Speaker 2: he was only in his like early to mid forties.
Speaker 2: He was most known for was being the Agent general
Speaker 2: for the reparations to Germany from nineteen twenty four to
Speaker 2: about the middle of nineteen thirty and afterwards, interestingly, he
Speaker 2: became an associated JP Morgan. You know, as we talked
Speaker 2: about before, like if you don't understand the degree with
Speaker 2: JP Morgan, you know had I mean JP Morgan was
Speaker 2: Wall Street in those days, Okay, Like they they're kind
Speaker 2: of like the Goldman Sacks of their day, all right,
Speaker 2: And the degree with JP Morgan was insinuated into the
Speaker 2: you know, kind of forcing the decision to go to
Speaker 2: war on the on the Wilson White House, you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler saying like, look, okay, like you don't believe me,
Speaker 2: Like what's Parker Gilbert? You know, like why is our
Speaker 2: economy basically in the hands of this guy. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean that they can't be denying, you know, so
Speaker 2: I mean this was uh, you know, like again the
Speaker 2: uh acting like it was something acting like I mean
Speaker 2: these things, especially anybody acting like it's some benign thing.
Speaker 2: But uh, your national wealth being divested by you know,
Speaker 2: Wall Street and uh you know kind of uh you know,
Speaker 2: the uh your your your currency being bottomed out by
Speaker 2: the repeating of a reparations regime. Like anybody who thinks
Speaker 2: that like that's some benign thing, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell them. Okay, but this wasn't This wasn't uh,
Speaker 2: this wasn't as Hitler and something like vestigil like Marxist
Speaker 2: sympathies or something. I know, some people like to claim that,
Speaker 2: you know, during the bymur years, he was taken in
Speaker 2: by by the KPD briefly. Most is nonsense, but that
Speaker 2: but that's what uh, that's the reason why he's constantly
Speaker 2: talking about capitalists photo capitalists, and also too, I mean
Speaker 2: the you know, the uh, the KPD was basically beaten
Speaker 2: by this point, and you know, they they lost the streets,
Speaker 2: you know, like, uh, there was still a threat, you know,
Speaker 2: and kind of the final it wasn't until uh the
Speaker 2: Enabling Act incident to uh, you know, to to the
Speaker 2: Reichstag fire, which was in fact set by a communist
Speaker 2: you know, van Lieb or Loube. But the UH, I
Speaker 2: mean now that it wasn't until they were formerly banned
Speaker 2: as a you know, what amounts a terrorist organization that
Speaker 2: they were no longer effect or. But it wasn't that,
Speaker 2: you know, the political culture of Germany in nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: like wasn't orbiting around like you know, people weren't debating
Speaker 2: in Reichstag sessions like the legitimacy of Marxism. I mean,
Speaker 2: like this was the issue in existential terms on the table,
Speaker 2: you know, like whether when the reparations regime could be
Speaker 2: rendered benign. You know what, there's some kind of like
Speaker 2: complex interdependence with America, which meant essentially, you know, like
Speaker 2: subjugating the German economy to that of Wall Street. Is
Speaker 2: there some way out of this or some way like
Speaker 2: within this paradigm whereby you know, Germany survives as as
Speaker 2: an autonomous political culture. Like that's what was on the table, okay,
Speaker 2: And that's why that's why that's why Hillary's emphasis comes
Speaker 2: back again and again. You know, the capitalism and the
Speaker 2: capitalist details. It is not because he was some sort
Speaker 2: of like occulted Marxist or something or whatever. People say
Speaker 2: the UH and you know again too like it wasn't
Speaker 2: the UH the reparations or agime like the DAWs Plan.
Speaker 2: Hillary was always saying that don't speak to me of
Speaker 2: constitutions and the Weimar Constitution. He said, our three constitutions
Speaker 2: are in the Versailles Treaty, the Dawes Plan, in our
Speaker 2: in the little Kernel pack, and the DAWs Plant specifically.
Speaker 2: You know, you had UH, you had Parker Gilbert and
Speaker 2: his cronies intervening essentially as UH as the French were threatening,
Speaker 2: you know, occupation of the roarers kind of there. It's
Speaker 2: kind of their damnically sore and if they weren't paid
Speaker 2: what they believe they were own Italian manner, you know,
Speaker 2: Dawes said, the Dowes basically advocated like taking the German
Speaker 2: UH National Railway Company as collateral and you know, I
Speaker 2: mean all UH revenue from the tariff and tax regime
Speaker 2: essentially being put in his hands, in the hands of
Speaker 2: the Reparations committee, which was the fact, oh JP Morgan,
Speaker 2: you know, and from there like they'd you know, they'd uh,
Speaker 2: they'd integrate, uh, they'd integrate these public revenues that the
Speaker 2: Berlin government was receiving and be like kind of the
Speaker 2: middleman with France, you know, agains. They saw a fit,
Speaker 2: you know, and this was this this was the big
Speaker 2: plan to like dig Germany out. You know, it was
Speaker 2: essentially allowing J. K. Morgan to to loot, to loot
Speaker 2: the public conference as they saw fit, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and that's I mean, I think about it, like think
Speaker 2: about it like Americans freak the funk out about uh,
Speaker 2: you know when they think uh, like when they think
Speaker 2: they're paying too much and uh and in real estate Texas,
Speaker 2: which is no small thing. I mean, I I I
Speaker 2: feel the bird of that too. I mean it's like
Speaker 2: people like, oh, Hitler was just making them out out
Speaker 2: of a mobile about this whole Versailles thing. It's like,
Speaker 2: you fucking serious, you know, it's like come on. But
Speaker 2: and of course too, like people during by Maar, I mean,
Speaker 2: they're in the Viymar regime. They they h this is
Speaker 2: most by by the time of the of the the
Speaker 2: the breakthrough, this was mostly they had mostly abated, but
Speaker 2: people were starving. You know, maybe I mean the point
Speaker 2: about horses vessel, horst vessel, you know his uh corn
Speaker 2: historians and the comments at the time claimed he was
Speaker 2: a quote unquote pimp because like his his living girlfriend
Speaker 2: was a prostitute, Like you don't know why she was
Speaker 2: a prostitute. Like a lot of women became prostitute, so
Speaker 2: they were starving. I mean like that that's that that
Speaker 2: that's the situation. I mean, when it becomes normal for
Speaker 2: we're going to be selling themselves because you know, there's
Speaker 2: no other option. I mean, like think about like America's
Speaker 2: never read to live in those conditions, man, like they haven't.
Speaker 2: I mean, like people were addicted or people who have
Speaker 2: you know, fallen on terrible circumstances for reous reasons. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: that happens to them. But like categorically or something like
Speaker 2: prostitution becomes normal, so no one isn'tthing to eat, Like
Speaker 2: we can't even imagine that. I mean, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: where people were coming from here. And you know that's uh,
Speaker 2: that's what owes to the kind of uh you know,
Speaker 2: the kind of focus of the the National Socials part.
Speaker 2: But it's also the problem with the National Socialist Party
Speaker 2: even into like nineteen twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. I mean,
Speaker 2: really this is outside the scope, but interlay the nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty four incident, you know, the the ramp coach. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of intrigues there, but I mean the
Speaker 2: kind of the over kind of the overarching impetus was, uh,
Speaker 2: the need to to eradicate you know, divisions in the
Speaker 2: party just you know, by a final uh and violent
Speaker 2: executive decision. Germany's fatal the fatal flaw in the German
Speaker 2: playb culture. With these fractures, you know, foreign policy was
Speaker 2: still highly disputed. Rosenberg and you know, the most of
Speaker 2: the Baltic German faction within the party, as well as
Speaker 2: a lot of the Prussian military element, they were insisting
Speaker 2: that the Soviet Union was you know, was uh what
Speaker 2: was the ideological lene me like everything else is secondary.
Speaker 2: Obviously the Strassers as well as Girls himself, interestingly, they
Speaker 2: did the Soviet Union as like a key evidential ally
Speaker 2: against Anglo America, the South Tyrol issue, and obviously you
Speaker 2: know Hitler courting Mussolini, you know this, uh and and
Speaker 2: ultimately South Tyrol was was was seated in its entirety
Speaker 2: to the King of Italy. You know, this big this
Speaker 2: was like a sore point for a lot of German racialists,
Speaker 2: you know, like Hitler's selling out our people. You know,
Speaker 2: he's for the sake of a you know something a
Speaker 2: geotoggic vision. They may not come to fruition, you know,
Speaker 2: the uh. And this uh, you know, this was not
Speaker 2: this was not workable. And despite uh, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that people always talking about like America, especially in this
Speaker 2: era and in the preceding epoch, you know, the World
Speaker 2: War One era as being like oh, in America, you know,
Speaker 2: we we debate all possibilities like this. That's that's total bullshit.
Speaker 2: You know, like when a policy course has decided war
Speaker 2: in peace terms or economic terms, like America just does
Speaker 2: it like after the wars were in the States, like
Speaker 2: just like that kind of discussion, just like and that
Speaker 2: was all done, okay. And this is one of this
Speaker 2: is one of the big reasons for the fury prince him.
Speaker 2: It's not because like Hilller was some control freak or
Speaker 2: he just thought it was really great too to play
Speaker 2: leader or something. And you know, the uh. Early on
Speaker 2: in his career he treated these like various separatist types.
Speaker 2: You know, in these various these various regional parties all
Speaker 2: on Sundry, you know, who kind of wanted to sabotage
Speaker 2: any kind of centralized government in Berlin. You know, he
Speaker 2: treated these people as much as as big enemies as
Speaker 2: the Communist because again, they these like these these people
Speaker 2: are kind of like tools today, like in the oldest
Speaker 2: block where like you'll hold themselves like, yeah, I'm luck
Speaker 2: at Ukrainian nationalists. It's like your ass is literally owned
Speaker 2: by Wall Street. But like as long as you like
Speaker 2: go around like weaving like a little flag and pretending
Speaker 2: like you know, you're you're some kind of sovereign like
Speaker 2: micro state, like you're you know, you think you're like
Speaker 2: a fucking pig and shit.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: You know, and uh, it was right around this time,
Speaker 2: like around nineteen twenty eight that's when Hitler uh As
Speaker 2: Hitler began writing the second book, and for about eighteen
Speaker 2: months subsequent after the election cycle nineteen twenty eight, you know,
Speaker 2: he worked on it pretty consistently. You know. It's uh
Speaker 2: and again, the the over the overarching theme of the
Speaker 2: second book is the is it's the overwhelming power of
Speaker 2: angle America and especially the United States that theme was
Speaker 2: in Mine comp But what Mine comps a totally even
Speaker 2: kind of book again Mine comp with an election season appeal.
Speaker 2: The second book is quite literally like Hitler's geostrategic vision
Speaker 2: and is like he diagnosed this to like the world
Speaker 2: of nineteen twenty eight. Okay, Hitler literally said, quote, the
Speaker 2: American Union has created a power factor of such dimensions
Speaker 2: that it threatens to overthrow all previous state power rankings.
Speaker 2: He said, there's probably a question of literal space, you know,
Speaker 2: uh gross rum. He made the point that aboriginal elements,
Speaker 2: you know, like Native Americans, if you will. Obviously they
Speaker 2: were both divided, you know, by tribe, language, death knows,
Speaker 2: as well as being relatively thin on the ground compared
Speaker 2: to the size of the continent. So there were easy
Speaker 2: pickings for you know, a uh, a conquering population animated
Speaker 2: by uh you know, kind of an almost theological period
Speaker 2: of a man of his destiny. And also the uh,
Speaker 2: the relationship between the population size and the territory extent.
Speaker 2: It's just like awesome, Like literally it's just massive, you know.
Speaker 2: Like Hitler wrote that this is like inconceivable of the Europeans,
Speaker 2: you know, especially because I mean again like Europe. In
Speaker 2: the Europe's a tiny peninsula. Really, it's it's got no
Speaker 2: it's impossible to defend it in depth. You know, it's
Speaker 2: got uh you know, no no natural barriers between itself
Speaker 2: and you know that the other in the East. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like America's if you're gonna, if you're gonna draw
Speaker 2: sort of a perfect geostrategic situation for a people like
Speaker 2: you basically draw the United States of America, you know,
Speaker 2: like assuming assuming their ops in terms of ability to
Speaker 2: project power are where you know, the British and the
Speaker 2: Spanish were, respectively, when you know, America fought them off
Speaker 2: and essentially kicked them out of the the New World.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, it's there's nothing, there's nothing comparable
Speaker 2: to to it in history. And again uh, Hitler was
Speaker 2: correct as assessment. He said, the United States had as
Speaker 2: of the time of you know, as of the world
Speaker 2: of nineteen twenty eight, ninety thirty, probably fifty percent of
Speaker 2: the of the available natural resource of this planet. You know,
Speaker 2: it's industry not only had you know what it was,
Speaker 2: not only the end of the world, and it captured
Speaker 2: you know, market son on every continent. Even by the
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties. But even even if all that went away,
Speaker 2: like even an event of some total emergency, you know,
Speaker 2: if America could had only to rely on its domestic market,
Speaker 2: like it could still can still survive and arguably thrive,
Speaker 2: you know, like the like if area's internal market was
Speaker 2: was uh, what was greater than the British empires? Like
Speaker 2: an entirety of capital and like that's that's totally insane,
Speaker 2: you know. And uh, Hitler made the point again and
Speaker 2: again in my comp or I'm in the second book
Speaker 2: that like European statesmen like don't understand this. And Hitler
Speaker 2: then talked about England and America and Germany and race,
Speaker 2: and interestingly, again he had a pretty unflattering diagnosis of
Speaker 2: his own people. Hitler said that basically the greatest people
Speaker 2: who ever lived are the Anglo sax He said that
Speaker 2: the Anglo Saxons were truly like the master race, the
Speaker 2: world's like master race the era on which we live,
Speaker 2: like anybody alive. And then then in present okay, he said,
Speaker 2: the key to British power was that you had this
Speaker 2: like you had this like critical racial value of Anglo
Speaker 2: Saxon dumb that was able to conquer the political culture
Speaker 2: in Britain entirely, uh you know, and then perpetuate itself,
Speaker 2: you know, and kind of developed, uh it developed this
Speaker 2: like rigid cast based society where the leadership cast was
Speaker 2: uh it viewed. It's it's like whole raison detra as,
Speaker 2: you know, being like lordship over this enterprise that they
Speaker 2: had created that they believed it had been like you know,
Speaker 2: conferred upon them by providence. Hitler said that because of
Speaker 2: this sort of cultural and expanation over time and this
Speaker 2: kind of like unwavering like master casts believe in in
Speaker 2: the in themselves. He said that. Uh. He said that
Speaker 2: one in with bas able to colonize you know, this
Speaker 2: entire planet. And meanwhile, like their leadership cadres like whoever
Speaker 2: saw like the motherland again like maintained like nevertheless their
Speaker 2: link to like the host culture and like to the
Speaker 2: Angle Saxon race, which is absolutely true it uh. Hitler said,
Speaker 2: you know this is why you know the Angle Saxon
Speaker 2: he's like totally outclassed as like the German of nineteen thirty. Okay,
Speaker 2: he said the other he said, the reason the United
Speaker 2: States is so dangerous is because he said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like the United States said he has said it
Speaker 2: a core of this angle Saxon population that was just referenced,
Speaker 2: like when these people saw the like endless horizon of
Speaker 2: the new World, they realized that they could quite literally
Speaker 2: like invent the new world in their own image, you know,
Speaker 2: and they no longer had to take a knee before anybody,
Speaker 2: you know. And he said that the influence, like the
Speaker 2: massed influx of immigration, of immigration from Germany, which by
Speaker 2: from from from the treaty wasphalure until it was writing,
Speaker 2: amounted to about six million people. And Hitler said, like
Speaker 2: this was the cream of the crop of like European
Speaker 2: the like of European people, you know. He's like, so
Speaker 2: in America, he's like you had. He's like you have
Speaker 2: this like core of angle, sex and leadership like utterly ruthless,
Speaker 2: utterly committed to its own posterity, like utterly insatiable in
Speaker 2: his desire to like dominate the planet. He's like and
Speaker 2: like the mentioned material they presided over were basically like
Speaker 2: millions of the best of like you know, Central Europe
Speaker 2: and Germany, you know, who realized like, oh, you're diminishing
Speaker 2: fortunes like on the continent, you know, in those days,
Speaker 2: immigranting to America was you were like taking your life
Speaker 2: in your own hands. It was the opposite of today,
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, the world empties out there
Speaker 2: jails and send them to America. You know, like if
Speaker 2: you had like like you could become rich beyond your
Speaker 2: wild's dreams in America, but you also might also like
Speaker 2: die you know and like it uh it uh you
Speaker 2: you had to have a tremendous I just surviving the
Speaker 2: journey over here, you know what I mean, Like was
Speaker 2: wasn't ort deal, you know, Saylers said basically like the
Speaker 2: people and you get up and go, like got up
Speaker 2: and win. He's like the best of like the white
Speaker 2: race like lives in America. He's like, you can't dispute that.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, there's He's like American culture might be vulgar.
Speaker 2: He's like, uh, you know, there might. He's like there
Speaker 2: might be like deformities within it. He's like it might
Speaker 2: suffer from the absence of uh you know, like like
Speaker 2: like cultural patrons. But he's like, you can't say that
Speaker 2: they're not like the master race, because they are. He's
Speaker 2: like they're the best racial material. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: they and he's like there, he's like to that. He's like,
Speaker 2: the Americans are self aware of this. He's like, that's
Speaker 2: why they're And he's right, Hitler's writing right with the
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five immigration acts, and he made the point.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like American entire He's like, he's like
Speaker 2: America is continuing to like siphon off like the best
Speaker 2: of Europe. He's like, well, privileging you know, Scandinavians and
Speaker 2: Germans and you know in English, you know, and he's
Speaker 2: like limiting the number of slots and Latins and basically
Speaker 2: excluding like Japanese and Chinese from immigratings. They view them
Speaker 2: as like they're their probable adversaries, you know, in the
Speaker 2: kind of great game of of a of a of
Speaker 2: Velt's politique. I mean, all this stuff is true, and
Speaker 2: that is the way the Americans viewed themselves, you know,
Speaker 2: like this and for context, like Hitler literally fought the
Speaker 2: American infantry, you know, like as like he was saying,
Speaker 2: like he I mean, it's something it's been said that
Speaker 2: like if you know a race of people, like there's
Speaker 2: no way to know them intimately than if he like
Speaker 2: had sex with them. Or killed them. Okay, and there's
Speaker 2: something to that. I wouldn't characterize it that way, but
Speaker 2: it's not wrong, you know, like the idea like Hill
Speaker 2: the was some bumpkin, It's like, well, apparently he wasn't
Speaker 2: man he and he fought, uh, he fought. He literally
Speaker 2: fought the US army, you know, after uh, you know,
Speaker 2: after having faced down the British and the French. And
Speaker 2: like what he wrote about in his later years was
Speaker 2: how the American army was tough as nails and and
Speaker 2: were these incredibly robust, like like horrid people who were
Speaker 2: like the sons who left us centuries before, you know,
Speaker 2: like grown like bigger and stronger and faster and smarter
Speaker 2: than we are, you know, and it was devastating, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that's he didn't he didn't say something like
Speaker 2: that about the Tommy. He didn't say anything like that
Speaker 2: with the French. He was talking about the Americans. You know.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is why so many people want
Speaker 1: to claim that the book is a forgery, because they've
Speaker 1: basically bought into this romantic notion of the Prussian people
Speaker 1: at the time and and hit the Prussian people being
Speaker 1: the cream of the crop as far as genetics goes,
Speaker 1: and then that Hitler would they're putting words in Hitler's
Speaker 1: mouth so that it would It makes it look like
Speaker 1: Hitler doesn't really like the German people that much. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of it, and I mean
Speaker 2: it's yeah, I think it's part of it. But it's
Speaker 2: all the too. It's like some of these people are
Speaker 2: just guys. You claim everything, like literally everything is fake,
Speaker 2: Like I remember what it is they claim it's fak
Speaker 2: Like is the guys who think that like like Joe
Speaker 2: Biden is is like a hologram we never landed on
Speaker 2: the moon, Like if you tell him, like you eat
Speaker 2: corn flakes, but broke fls like none other people man,
Speaker 2: Like you know you don't believe that, bro' you're like brainwashed, bro,
Speaker 2: Like the second books are fake, like Hitler was fake.
Speaker 2: Hitler was like this Jewish gig guy, Like he was fake, bro.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's part of it's just like that,
Speaker 2: but part of it. Yeah, Like people at the point
Speaker 2: before that, a lot of these guys who claim to
Speaker 2: be like national socialists or like or like or like
Speaker 2: the like I just like to trol people by like
Speaker 2: wearing a Swasa goa and they really know what it means.
Speaker 2: They got this, like they got this like cartoon idea
Speaker 2: of Hitler is basically what like the word apartment of
Speaker 2: like nineteen forty one said he was. They just like
Speaker 2: claim that's cool, not that that's bad. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that these fools like
Speaker 2: they want to pretend Hitler was like this Darth Vader
Speaker 2: type figure like as a ledge and not actually like
Speaker 2: a thoughtful person with like a critical view of his
Speaker 2: own kind and stuff. But it you know, but it's
Speaker 2: also but also you know Hitler, Hitler came from the
Speaker 2: halfstory Empire, or like the frontier of it halfsfory Empire
Speaker 2: was a fucking mess. I mean, it's fascinating. If I
Speaker 2: had a time machine, like I said, I'd want to
Speaker 2: go back, among other places, the Vienna in like nineteen
Speaker 2: ten to check it out, because like that that kind
Speaker 2: of decadent Baroque architecture is that's like really cool and
Speaker 2: like there's like very cool things about it. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's like something out of like a fairy tale or something.
Speaker 2: But it's a total it was totally dysfunctional, you know,
Speaker 2: like that can't you can't, I mean, and that was
Speaker 2: really kind of the that was kind of the prime
Speaker 2: the distilled essence of like decadent, like dysfunctional, like twentieth
Speaker 2: century Europe. You know. So Hitler's like, this is what
Speaker 2: our problem is, you know, and there's a reason why
Speaker 2: he like refused to be drafted by the Habsburg Army
Speaker 2: and went enjoined the German Army. That wasn't like an accident,
Speaker 2: you know, like it wasn't because like, oh Hitler was
Speaker 2: such a big racist.
Speaker 1: It's like no, like.
Speaker 2: Little one said that being a less Someone.
Speaker 1: Claimed, can you answer this? Someone claimed that the only
Speaker 1: reason you think the second book is authentic is because
Speaker 1: you're taking the word of Gerhard Weinberg. And Gerhard Weinberg
Speaker 1: also said David Hogan was full of shit? So is
Speaker 1: that true too?
Speaker 2: I mean, various people like saw the second book. He
Speaker 2: talked to Hess about the second book, He discussed its
Speaker 2: contents with Rim and traup with Gerbels. He Uh openly
Speaker 2: discussed on the campaign trail in twenty eight I view
Speaker 2: myself as a writer and I'm writing my second book,
Speaker 2: Like what yeah, I mean, what what what what? What's
Speaker 2: the evidence that it's a fake other than that, like
Speaker 2: guys in the internet say it's fake. I mean, like
Speaker 2: I don't like what I I don't think it's fake.
Speaker 2: I have no reason to think that it is.
Speaker 1: Like what it's it's romanticism. It's it's there. It destroys
Speaker 1: some kind of romantic notion that they have.
Speaker 2: Apparently, yeah, yeah, it's uh but yeah, it's I realized
Speaker 2: we're coming up on uh the oh well, I'll write
Speaker 2: up soon. But it's also to like the you know,
Speaker 2: conspiculously absence. I make this point just because like court
Speaker 2: history is so like demented on this point. You know,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to One thing Hitler does not
Speaker 2: mention at all in the second book is like black
Speaker 2: people in America is like racial situation. He's just like
Speaker 2: he has no interest in it. Like he did say
Speaker 2: that the only time he ever spoke about like slavery
Speaker 2: in America was he said, quote like transplanting transplanting of
Speaker 2: millions of African Negroes the American continents as an example
Speaker 2: of the quote barbarian custom. You know, because he said,
Speaker 2: I mean, but that was like the view of like
Speaker 2: a lot of people like just like you know, but
Speaker 2: he didn't this idea like Hitler was sitting around like
Speaker 2: like hating on black people. They are like obsessed with
Speaker 2: like race like in that regard, like he that's totally
Speaker 2: that's literally retarded, but it's you know, and if anything too,
Speaker 2: like the the traditional understanding is that you know, like
Speaker 2: the like the Germans like like sympathized with like the
Speaker 2: North and kind of like the Union like national economic paradigm,
Speaker 2: you know, Hamiltonian economics and and all of that. Like
Speaker 2: the idea that they were like neo Confederates is like
Speaker 2: literally demented. But you know, he and like most importantly,
Speaker 2: I think too not like Hitler spoke in the table talk,
Speaker 2: you'll you'll glean this as well as other places. According
Speaker 2: to the second book, like Hitler talked about the American
Speaker 2: dream like now he didn't use those words, but uh
Speaker 2: he said, quote, the European of today dreams of a
Speaker 2: living standard which might be possible in Europe but actually
Speaker 2: exists in America. The American simply lives on average better
Speaker 2: than we do, you know, And uh he made the point.
Speaker 2: That's why he emphasized like motorizations so much and saying
Speaker 2: like every German is gonna like have an automobile, like
Speaker 2: a family car. Like Stalin famously said that like, oh
Speaker 2: this these these this film of like American workers like driving,
Speaker 2: is this is all propaganda? That's not possible, you know,
Speaker 2: because like it seemed it seemed like science fiction to
Speaker 2: people in the old world, you know. And Hitler is like,
Speaker 2: you know, we gotta like basically like we've got to
Speaker 2: where we're We're we're gonna have an autobond, Like we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna have, you know, a continent. We're gonna
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna have our own manifest desity in the East.
Speaker 2: You like we're gonna have a space program. Berlin is
Speaker 2: gonna be, you know, like a capital of the world,
Speaker 2: you know, like he his his competitor was America. You know,
Speaker 2: it's but this and I mean granted, like it wasn't
Speaker 2: un qualified, you know, like he uh he talked about
Speaker 2: the parvenu culture in America that was uh and he
Speaker 2: uh famously like he uh he mentioned one time like
Speaker 2: some some like Robert Baron type had mocked up like
Speaker 2: a faux palace at Versailles as like his house and
Speaker 2: what I think, uh, like Life Magazine like exhibited it
Speaker 2: like this was really cool. You know. Hitler's like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is you know this this
Speaker 2: is bullshit, you know, but uh, you know this idea
Speaker 2: that and he said to like a lot of you
Speaker 2: said in America had some great things that came out
Speaker 2: of Hollywood and some great music, but also had some
Speaker 2: like decadent bullshit you know what they called what he
Speaker 2: called race music. I mean, that's just what people call
Speaker 2: it then. But his idea that like you just say,
Speaker 2: contempt for America was like it is totally asinine, you know,
Speaker 2: and the uh you know, and it's and I mean
Speaker 2: at the end of the day too, like I again,
Speaker 2: like even the uh Germany's geostrategic exposed. Oh and interestingly
Speaker 2: too like Hill, you know what I mean, Hitler said, uh,
Speaker 2: it was Europe's literally impossible to defend in depth even
Speaker 2: at the nineteen fourteen border and restored it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2: And you know, he said, we're Germany's quote surrounded completely
Speaker 2: hemmed in. You know, he said more over in the
Speaker 2: Age the Airplane, you know, he said, like any German
Speaker 2: population center can be struck in a matter of hours,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's like again like
Speaker 2: this idea that like like Americans just don't understand this.
Speaker 2: It's like I realize that when people when this like
Speaker 2: the Zionist war against Russia commenced in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: like where it was the politics, like people act like
Speaker 2: like allowing standoff weapons to be based like two hundred
Speaker 2: miles from your capital like that, like that's not an
Speaker 2: act of war or that's not like an existential threat
Speaker 2: to your existence. You know. It's like I I don't
Speaker 2: think people understand like that. I think people think that
Speaker 2: like everyone else in this planet is like some version
Speaker 2: of America. It's like the size of a continent, you know,
Speaker 2: like any you know, any any any military enemies you
Speaker 2: have or basically you know, like a thousand miles away
Speaker 2: at minimum, Like I don't think they as the crow
Speaker 2: flies in nineteen twenty eight, like the border of check
Speaker 2: Us border of Czechoslovakia was now the Czech Republic Ti Berlin.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like it's less than two hours,
Speaker 2: like by car if I'm not mistaken, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like this this idea that like oh, you know, allowing
Speaker 2: uh you know, allowing the French to base whatever aircraft
Speaker 2: they can devise, you know, uh, an hour or so
Speaker 2: from our capitol. Like, that's no problem. You know, we
Speaker 2: we'd be warmongers if we objected to that. Like I
Speaker 2: it's completely it's completely insane. But I uh, you know
Speaker 2: that's uh. And that's also too like something I uh
Speaker 2: And Sims makes this point too, one of the uh,
Speaker 2: one of the one of the reasons for the at
Speaker 2: least in the Hitler's case, one of them, like his
Speaker 2: personal perspective, one of the reasons for the brutality in
Speaker 2: the East, the aust frauds. Uh. Obviously, it's the ideological
Speaker 2: challenge of communism which just had to be eradicated in
Speaker 2: the estimation of the the national socialist culture. The fact
Speaker 2: that you know, the Soviet Union declared like it it
Speaker 2: didn't honor any you know, any any laws and convention
Speaker 2: of the customs of war. It only abides its own
Speaker 2: revolutionary imperatives. But also, you know, the the contiguous comminal
Speaker 2: space Germany needed. I mean that it wasn't that Germany
Speaker 2: hated like quote hated Slavs, but that the Nazis hated Slavs. Categorically,
Speaker 2: and Hitler even said in the second book he said,
Speaker 2: at a future time, if the Bolshevik yoke you know
Speaker 2: what what he called, like you know, the like the
Speaker 2: the you know of Russian national rather the Jewish capital orientation,
Speaker 2: in Hitler's words, could come to pass in Russia, like
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be off the table for some kind of
Speaker 2: alliance with the Russians in the future. But that's not
Speaker 2: where we're at now, and right now we're facing oblivion.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was really the that that was really
Speaker 2: the what underlay the kind of like Ras and Creek
Speaker 2: in the East more than anything. It's not we hate
Speaker 2: Slavs and let's annihilate them because we hate them. And
Speaker 2: I was glad that Sims made that point. That's not
Speaker 2: gonna be wrong. There were, especially among the ranks of
Speaker 2: Baltic Germans, people like Rosenberg and Prussians who had been
Speaker 2: like marinated in kind of the culture of Ras and
Speaker 2: Kreeg I mean, because like they that's what their people
Speaker 2: steeped in for centuries. They did hate Russians, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure they viewed them as sub human, but it's generally
Speaker 2: like that wasn't you know that that that that wasn't
Speaker 2: like some there was some like grand racial theory of
Speaker 2: like why the Slavs are some human or something. If
Speaker 2: that's yeah, we're we're up on the hour. I think, uh,
Speaker 2: I think, uh, I think is this said on the
Speaker 2: subject or do you yeah, we can do I think
Speaker 2: I think a concluding episode might be good, but because
Speaker 2: I still have some more to say, but I don't wanna.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sell you your business in terms
Speaker 2: of no, no problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wrapping this up one to wrap this
Speaker 1: up would be great. Do some plugs and uh we'll
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Speaker 1: Like seeking you fine, appreciate it till the next time.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I likewise, man, I want to welcome everyone
Speaker 1: back to the Pekingiana Show at Thomas. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I've been doing well. I realized I kind of look
Speaker 2: like a hobo, like I'm getting over a really severe
Speaker 2: flare up. So I I'm not one hundred percent, So
Speaker 2: that's what's going on. I didn't. I didn't just like
Speaker 2: sleep in my clothes last night and then like drag
Speaker 2: myself over to my computer, even if it looks that way,
Speaker 2: So forgive me for that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if we, uh, since this is a wrap
Speaker 1: up show, if it needs to be a little bit shorter,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I think it'll be okay. Why don't okay,
Speaker 1: how do you want to finish up this?
Speaker 2: Uh? I wanted to do a retrospective on Hitler's character
Speaker 2: a bit because the main biography is of Hitler that
Speaker 2: are accepted by court historians or Ian Kershaw, Alan Bulock,
Speaker 2: Jakhaim Fest and John Toland, although Totland increasingly, I mean
Speaker 2: he's he's been dead for many years, but increasingly he's
Speaker 2: no longer considered part of the canon because he you know,
Speaker 2: he people who want to finesse their ideological predators would
Speaker 2: say like, oh, he humanizes Hitler or he minimizes the
Speaker 2: severity of you know, the purported you know, fish is
Speaker 2: evil in things. But if you're gonna deal with Hitler
Speaker 2: in any meaningful capacity, you kind of have to wig.
Speaker 2: You kind of have to wait, you have to you
Speaker 2: have to rebut those allegations and and that kind that
Speaker 2: those kinds of specious claims. But you know, if you're
Speaker 2: dealing with any uh tyrant or any warlord or any
Speaker 2: or any great leader, you've got to You've got to
Speaker 2: both identify his analogs and you've also got to identify
Speaker 2: what sort of psychological processes, particularly symbolic psychological processes, animated
Speaker 2: him and his vision. Okay, and this is controversial even
Speaker 2: for people, uh supposedly on the right, Like I read this.
Speaker 2: I've been reading a lot of Hitler biographies lately owing
Speaker 2: to my manuscripts, and I'm writing too many scripts. I'm
Speaker 2: working on steel Storm, but I'm writing this Nuremberg book.
Speaker 2: And I realized that character evidence of the equivalent isn't
Speaker 2: just positive anything, and it's not even formally admissible, but
Speaker 2: so much of the Nurmeric indictment kind of orbited around
Speaker 2: what supposedly was in the mind of the fure as,
Speaker 2: like the seminal command authority, that something has got to
Speaker 2: be addressed. So you know, it's just kind of refleshing,
Speaker 2: refreshing my recollection, you know, kind of on what on
Speaker 2: what the primary claims are. And Russell Stolfi's book, which
Speaker 2: is a splendid rebuttal that I was reading this really
Speaker 2: good review by this guy who uh, I think periodically
Speaker 2: writes for Countercurrence, and I got like halfway through it
Speaker 2: and then he uh and then starts shrieking about how
Speaker 2: awful it is that Stulfi claimed that Mohammed was an
Speaker 2: analog the Hitler. I mean, apparently this guy has got
Speaker 2: some like kosherized prejudice against Moslims or something, and that's
Speaker 2: that's that's a completely fucking idiotic that like people still
Speaker 2: think that way, or that they essentially just kind of
Speaker 2: apply those same conceptual biases just you know, kind of
Speaker 2: with reverse colors. The historical analysis. I mean, plus like
Speaker 2: Muhammad was a great man, you know, like they can't
Speaker 2: he wasn't uh, he wasn't what is Uh believers think
Speaker 2: that he was. But and it's not some slam and
Speaker 2: Moslims either, you know, they worship the same God I do.
Speaker 2: However incomplete their interpretation is But saying like Muhammad wasn't
Speaker 2: one of the greatest mane of relave, it was like
Speaker 2: saying Julius Caesar was a second Raiders is idiotic. But
Speaker 2: moving on from the kind of tangential complaint, I believe
Speaker 2: and even if I didn't what historians claim, which makes sense,
Speaker 2: even if they weren't dealing with a figure, it's kinda
Speaker 2: monumental and controversial as Hitler, you know, like the man
Speaker 2: Hitler became was kind of that kind of character trajectory
Speaker 2: was set when he was about eighteen years old, which
Speaker 2: is generally the case, especially for males. I think, like
Speaker 2: when I kind of develop the sort of visionary ambitions.
Speaker 2: But you know, that was right when Hitler his mother died.
Speaker 2: And that's also when he you know, suffered as first
Speaker 2: major disappointment when he applied to the Vienna School of
Speaker 2: Fine Arts, at which Hitler was not rejected for being
Speaker 2: a quote terrible artist. He was told that he was
Speaker 2: a great architect, but that you know, he obviously for
Speaker 2: his skill set lay so that you know, he was
Speaker 2: he was accepted into the architecture program and told that,
Speaker 2: you know, fine arts were not really his forte and a. Uh.
Speaker 2: Not having attended a real school and not having the
Speaker 2: credentials to pursue that alternate track, you know, that basically
Speaker 2: cut off it career trajectory unless he's able to find
Speaker 2: somebody to kind of act as a patron and in
Speaker 2: a strange city, that wasn't very likely. But the one
Speaker 2: of the things that's claimed about Hitler is that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Hitler had this had this unhealthy relationship with
Speaker 2: his and then I mean this kind of things like
Speaker 2: steeped in like Freudian nonsense. Obviously, these kinds of claims,
Speaker 2: but that also that doctor Block, who was an oncologist
Speaker 2: who treated Hitler's mom, that oh, Hitler obviously came to
Speaker 2: hate Jews because Block was a Jew and just blamed
Speaker 2: him for the death of his mother. That's not at
Speaker 2: all true, and Hitler actually thought really highly of doctor Block.
Speaker 2: In a rebuttal to that kind of off repeated claim,
Speaker 2: Block said the Colliers magazine during the war, he said,
Speaker 2: I'm probably like the most privileged jew like you'll find
Speaker 2: in Germany row after you today. I don't believe that's
Speaker 2: an accident. And when Hitler told me that he owed
Speaker 2: me a great debt of honor for caring for his mother,
Speaker 2: apparently he was sincere. Okay, that's straight from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 2: But I do believe Hitler's upbringing was very strange. You know,
Speaker 2: Hitler's father, Elwis, he kind of because amplified what was
Speaker 2: wrong with the Hasbury Empire. And something Toland says, which
Speaker 2: I think is not off base, is that, you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler Elois was a tyrant. He was just kind of
Speaker 2: a mean guy. He beat his family, especially Hitler's older brother,
Speaker 2: Elowis Junior. Elowis Junior was Hitler's ad brother, and uh,
Speaker 2: his father terrorized him. And you know, Elowis ran away
Speaker 2: from home at fourteen and never came home, which speaks
Speaker 2: for himself. But you know, uh, after Alowis ran away,
Speaker 2: Hitler was kind of the brunt of his of his
Speaker 2: dad's you know, kind of bullying, and his dad was
Speaker 2: a Hitler wasn't poor, despite what some people claim either
Speaker 2: like the family was solidly middle class. Hitler's father was.
Speaker 2: He joined the border guards or the Customs Service with
Speaker 2: the frontier guards. Like basically like uh think like kind
Speaker 2: of homeland security meets some immigrations and customs enforcement. So
Speaker 2: he's basically a cop. You know. He joined this, he
Speaker 2: joined up at eighteen, retired at fifty eight. You know,
Speaker 2: so he had this like solid pension and he was
Speaker 2: you know, uh, he had a lot of he had
Speaker 2: a lot of clout like within that institution, and you know,
Speaker 2: like Hitler reviewed him as this kind of like is
Speaker 2: this kind of like crud ignoramus who had sort of
Speaker 2: like a reverence for authority for its own sake, you know.
Speaker 2: In those days, we'll get into this. He was actually
Speaker 2: illegal to sing the German national anthem. It was illegal
Speaker 2: to display images of Bismarck and other like patriotic iconography.
Speaker 2: You know. The we talk we talked about the nationalities
Speaker 2: problem in in the Soviet Union, like the Habsburg Empire
Speaker 2: had the worst nationalities problem like ever seen. Okay, so
Speaker 2: there was this kind of like authoritarian bureaucracy that was
Speaker 2: aiming at suppressing like everybody's you know, kind of nationalist
Speaker 2: or or self consciously like ethnic feeling. Ye know, so
Speaker 2: Hitler's mind, I'm very early on. Hitler was self consciously German,
Speaker 2: which makes a lot of sense. You know, this kid
Speaker 2: who was who lived on the frontier of the Habsburg Empire,
Speaker 2: you know, basically, you know, as a minority, you're on
Speaker 2: a you know, around a bunch of other minorities. But
Speaker 2: I don't think it's off base to suggests that one
Speaker 2: of the reasons Hitler came to hate the Habsburg regime,
Speaker 2: like not the emperor himself, like a or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but just like, you know, the regime that propped it up.
Speaker 2: He identified dad with his dad, who really was just
Speaker 2: like a bully, you know. And Hitler's dad died, you know,
Speaker 2: when Hitler was thirteen years old. He just had like
Speaker 2: a massive heart attack. You know. On the one hand, uh,
Speaker 2: On the one hand, that kind of freed the family
Speaker 2: from his from his British tyranny. But you know, he
Speaker 2: the family got a pretty They didn't fall into punery
Speaker 2: or anything, because they had like a decent pension. But
Speaker 2: Hitler's older brother had run away years before Hitler's Uh,
Speaker 2: four younger siblings of Hitler's had died. You know. Hitler's mom,
Speaker 2: even before she got cancer, was kind of unwell you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler was like the man of the house at thirteen
Speaker 2: years old. You know, it's not that there was not
Speaker 2: an easy thing, you know. So this idea too that
Speaker 2: Hitler was just this kind of like a lay about
Speaker 2: like idiot or something who you know just uh, you know,
Speaker 2: had an act to grind with his deity and and
Speaker 2: wasn't doing anything and in his in this kind of
Speaker 2: care free ado lessons as regards you know, real responsibility.
Speaker 2: Like that's that's nonsense too, But uh, what's fair thing
Speaker 2: to me is that some of these formative uh things
Speaker 2: like not just fascinations but conceptual but by like conceptual fixations,
Speaker 2: like he emerged like around this time, like before after
Speaker 2: Allows senior ed retired, Like he tried he bought this
Speaker 2: like gentleman's farm. You know, he's try and kind of
Speaker 2: live this kind of country squire life or something. And
Speaker 2: like the farm failed because you know, Elwis didn't know
Speaker 2: what he was doing and he actually was Alwis actually
Speaker 2: was kind of drunkly about, you know, like when he
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, doing his border guard you know, policeman thing.
Speaker 2: But uh, the after uh, after that, the family moved
Speaker 2: to uh this apartment house goes right across from this
Speaker 2: Benedictine monastery and the school year of eighteen ninety seven
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight, Hitler, Uh, the path he walked to
Speaker 2: school of went, it went, it went through this gate
Speaker 2: abudding the Benedictine premises, specifically the monastery, and there's a
Speaker 2: stone arch in the center of it, and like very
Speaker 2: prominently was carved uh in the monastery's coat of arms,
Speaker 2: like a swastika, which I I don't think that's accidental
Speaker 2: that you know that, Uh that and that's why I
Speaker 2: raised the people who say, like, no, Hitler was signaling
Speaker 2: with these people in the tool society that you know,
Speaker 2: he he was some of a culted pagan Like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not the case. And swats guys were ubiquitous and
Speaker 2: in in medieval and Gothic freezes and things, and uh,
Speaker 2: the kind of Gothic, the kind of mini Gothic revival
Speaker 2: you know that was emergent, you know, really for a
Speaker 2: few decades, you know, from about like the eighteen seventies
Speaker 2: or eighties. I'm not I'm not at all like an
Speaker 2: architectural historian or anything, but you know, approximately around the
Speaker 2: time when you know, like Hitler was coming up, that
Speaker 2: that kind of thing was still prominent, particularly and in
Speaker 2: some of the kind of suburbs and exurbs of Central
Speaker 2: Europe from these you know, from these baroque cities of course,
Speaker 2: like Vienna. But it's and interestingly Helene Hofstangle, who is
Speaker 2: Putsy Hofstangle's wife, I mean obviously in Hofstangle. Hofstangle was
Speaker 2: kind of a buffoon, and he became very much, uh,
Speaker 2: on the outs with Hitler, and even even when he
Speaker 2: was even when he was in the good graces of
Speaker 2: the kind of core of the UH of the at
Speaker 2: the National Socialist Party, he never really got any respect act.
Speaker 2: But his wife kind of before mag the Gebels, became
Speaker 2: Hitler's a like confidant and arguably kind of like the
Speaker 2: fact the first lady the third Reich, like, uh, Helene
Speaker 2: Hofsnangle kind of filled that role and Hitler told her that,
Speaker 2: you know, during this time he he considered becoming a priest,
Speaker 2: you know, because he's like, this is this is like
Speaker 2: a higher calling for you know, that's that's not it's
Speaker 2: not sullied by you know, these guys like worldly things
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't want any part of and
Speaker 2: you can you know, you can surround yourself with art,
Speaker 2: you know, but do it in a way that you
Speaker 2: know is you know, people can index with you know,
Speaker 2: is in their in their worship and things like. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting because that's the only kind of despite a
Speaker 2: lot of fake quotes and a lot of speculation, like
Speaker 2: Hitler never said bad things about Catholicism, like he just didn't.
Speaker 2: But you know, you never said anything particularly praising of
Speaker 2: it either.
Speaker 1: Let me ask the question during the Straster debates, does
Speaker 1: he refer to himself as an atheist? No?
Speaker 2: No, and that's why most uh, notably in the December
Speaker 2: eleventh speech, he mentioned providence or God over half a
Speaker 2: dozen times. And I mean it's a constant, it's it's
Speaker 2: a constant uh motif. You know. But that's well, that
Speaker 2: that's a that's a discussion for another time because there's
Speaker 2: a lot there. But no, he that's that that's absolutely
Speaker 2: as nine. What people do is they take they take
Speaker 2: quotes from like they take they take either like like
Speaker 2: totally confabulated quotes from girls or something they're just like
Speaker 2: made up, or they take actual quotes on some buffoon
Speaker 2: like Borman, like you know, mouthing off on a much
Speaker 2: he hates the Catholics and saying like see you like
Speaker 2: you know, the nuts he's received or something. Jews wanted
Speaker 2: to burn all the churches, you know, like Bormann said
Speaker 2: so when he was like three Sheets of the Wind
Speaker 2: and talking Ship, you know, like but the you know it, uh,
Speaker 2: the there was something uh you know, even in even
Speaker 2: in a play, it's kind of like a culture. It
Speaker 2: is like halfs thro of Austria. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: mean like culture necessarily in co of pollen in terms
Speaker 2: that was that too, but you know there was there
Speaker 2: was this kind of like deep reverence for the arts
Speaker 2: and things, you know, like just saying when when Hitler
Speaker 2: was asked other than this kind of brief deliance with
Speaker 2: the with the idea of becoming a priest. You know,
Speaker 2: Hitler when he was when he was asked what he
Speaker 2: was gonna be, like what his career was gonna be,
Speaker 2: he'd always say like, I'm gonna be a great artist.
Speaker 2: And the adults would be like, well, you know, you
Speaker 2: have to have a proper profession, you know, like it
Speaker 2: uh you know, So it's not it's not as if
Speaker 2: these these were like flights of fancy that you know,
Speaker 2: were encouraged by some like doting mother who's out of it,
Speaker 2: you know, like like not even remotely, but the and
Speaker 2: it was around Uh it's an this time too, Hitler
Speaker 2: realized he could draw he uh from the time you
Speaker 2: know he's about uh but in our system, like fifth
Speaker 2: or sixth grade age, you know, like eleven or twelve
Speaker 2: years old, he'd start uh surreptitiously sketching one of his
Speaker 2: school chums named Weinberger. Weinberger, you know, he wrolate that.
Speaker 2: Uh he watched over several days as Hitler, like you know,
Speaker 2: in class when they were listening to some lesson or another.
Speaker 2: Hitler Uh he recreated from memory the castle at Schomberg
Speaker 2: and just like sketched it out, you know. And he
Speaker 2: early on in life, like other kids looked at him
Speaker 2: as a leader. You know. What's fascinating to me too,
Speaker 2: was that his favorite stuff to read was ah stories
Speaker 2: by James Fenimore Cooper and kind of his German his
Speaker 2: German imitator or kind of counterpart was Carl May who
Speaker 2: also wrote Western stories. But uh, you know the kind
Speaker 2: of the cowboys and Indians, you know, uh kind of
Speaker 2: genre like came from James Fenimore Cooper. You know, like
Speaker 2: Hitler's Hiller is a kid actually taught himself to throw
Speaker 2: a lasso, which I think is hilarious. But he'd uh
Speaker 2: his uh like those who remembered him. You know, this
Speaker 2: was multiple people said that hilarys wanted to play cowboys
Speaker 2: and Indians, you know, and uh, you know, he talked
Speaker 2: about America as this kind of like wild place but
Speaker 2: also this kind of like marvelous place almost like the
Speaker 2: land of odds of like you know, infinite power, infinite wealth,
Speaker 2: but also like wild people and you know, like warriors
Speaker 2: and like, you know, it's it's I I find that
Speaker 2: I find that fascinating. You know. It's like it's like
Speaker 2: a little Austrian kid, like that's what he's that's what
Speaker 2: he's getting into. But according to Hilary said and and
Speaker 2: then then the tracks by what his sister Paula told
Speaker 2: him Toland as well as other uh as well as
Speaker 2: other witness testimony, which I have no reason I think
Speaker 2: is incredible. Hitler, Uh, he became fixed. He became fixated
Speaker 2: on these two like historical magazines that were dedicated to
Speaker 2: Franco Prussian War, which obviously was like loomed hugely in
Speaker 2: the minds of of Germans, you know, I mean that
Speaker 2: was uh, I mean that that was that was that
Speaker 2: was the great victory, you know, like there and the
Speaker 2: kind of uh the kind of finest hour of Prussian arms.
Speaker 2: But it's also you know, Europe in the nineteenth century
Speaker 2: like didn't go to war really, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There was the Franko Prussian Wars is the Primean war,
Speaker 2: you know, but after Waterloo, like there wasn't there wasn't
Speaker 2: any There weren't like major engagements you know that that
Speaker 2: that involved you know, half a dozen countries and millions
Speaker 2: of men, you know. That's why that's why so many
Speaker 2: European mercenaries ended up, you know, fighting in the war
Speaker 2: within the States, because that's where the action was, you
Speaker 2: know it. And Hitler uh he became He stated in
Speaker 2: his own testimony that uh, the Board War was uh
Speaker 2: you know what really imbued him with like self conscious
Speaker 2: patriotism as well as uh, you know, as well as
Speaker 2: his understanding that like you're in German, you know, which
Speaker 2: is fascinating and that I like we talked about in
Speaker 2: our World War One series the degree to which the
Speaker 2: Germans felt a deeply deep affinity for the boards, like
Speaker 2: they can't be like overstated, you know that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was also his he was about this age
Speaker 2: too when uh, his his younger brother Edmund died of measles.
Speaker 2: And that was the fourth death of one of the
Speaker 2: Hitler children. So Hitler was Hitler was the only remaining son. Okay,
Speaker 2: el Eis was you know, he was Hitler's have brother,
Speaker 2: but he was like long gone anyway. His family didn't
Speaker 2: even know if he was better alive, you know. The Uh,
Speaker 2: this is when this is when hilar was kind of
Speaker 2: forced to grow up in my opinion, you know. And
Speaker 2: then shortly shortly thereafter, you know, Lewis Senior died, but
Speaker 2: before he did, just a couple of years previously, Hitler
Speaker 2: reached the age where's eligible to attend the other at
Speaker 2: gymnasium or a real school, and his practical minded father
Speaker 2: was you know, I thought of gymnasium was a waste
Speaker 2: of time, you know. And for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: like in those days, I've knowed the European systems like now,
Speaker 2: but in those days, you know, gymnasium would prepare people
Speaker 2: for you know, classical education and what was then the
Speaker 2: university curriculum. You know, a real school was it was
Speaker 2: like you know, a technical and scientific academy, okay, and
Speaker 2: the uh the nearest real school was located in the Winds.
Speaker 2: So Hitler uh set off for Winds, you know when
Speaker 2: he was uh when when he was like a little kid,
Speaker 2: you know, he'd uh pack a rucksack on his back.
Speaker 2: He quite literally walked for three hours, you know, and
Speaker 2: sometimes he'd stay overnight or through the weekend. You know.
Speaker 2: But this is that kind of the degree of autonomy
Speaker 2: and kind of worldliness and like understanding of like mortal
Speaker 2: things that's not gonna think about like kids in the
Speaker 2: West these days, you know, I mean, I you know,
Speaker 2: and uh what the testimony the Tolands aeos the other
Speaker 2: people was Hitler. This is basically when Hitler like abandoned
Speaker 2: like all interest in schoolwork, like viewing it essentially as bullshit,
Speaker 2: you know. And Hitler said, quote, I thought that once
Speaker 2: my father saw a little progress I was making at
Speaker 2: the real school, he would on me to devote myself
Speaker 2: to my dream, whether he liked it or not. However,
Speaker 2: Hitler did perform on a you know, to pass. He
Speaker 2: also Keplinger. It was one of Hitler's friends who provided
Speaker 2: testimony to Toland said Hitler. And I find this significant
Speaker 2: because other intimates of Hitler like vote from his childhood,
Speaker 2: his life as a young man, as well as his
Speaker 2: like later adulthood. Keplinger said, quote, he had guts. He
Speaker 2: wasn't the hot head, but he really was more menable
Speaker 2: than a good many. He exhibited two extremes of character
Speaker 2: which are not often seen in unison. He was a
Speaker 2: quiet fanatic. You know, Hitler wasn't like this carpet chewing mediac.
Speaker 2: He wasn't this guy who was like yelling all the time.
Speaker 2: It wasn't this guy came off like a tweaker. You know,
Speaker 2: there's like this quiet, quiet intensity, Like dude almost never
Speaker 2: raised his voice, he almost never lost his temper. But
Speaker 2: he was obviously a fanatic, you know, Like that's the
Speaker 2: key to that's the key to Hitler. You know, people
Speaker 2: don't understand that, don't really understand like how we index
Speaker 2: with people the way he did, And they don't really
Speaker 2: they don't really understand his like kind of like what
Speaker 2: what what appealed to him in the people about him
Speaker 2: in personal terms as well as in kind of you know,
Speaker 2: idealized terms. But you know, Keplinger also made the point
Speaker 2: he said, you know, he said the board war, he
Speaker 2: said it kind of he said it like invigorated us,
Speaker 2: you know, not just the kids would be adults. You know,
Speaker 2: this sense of historical mission and like a desire for
Speaker 2: like our own state, you know, German state. You know,
Speaker 2: he said Bismarck was our hero. You know, he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, we sing Bismarck songs, you know when when
Speaker 2: authority figures were out out of your shot. You know,
Speaker 2: he's like he's like, we'd secretly, like you know, in private,
Speaker 2: like salute each other and things, you know. With Hyle,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's like a lot of this, a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that became kind of the the key
Speaker 2: lore of the Nazi party, like literally developing like Hitler's
Speaker 2: little kid on the frontier with other Habsburg Germans and
Speaker 2: kind of the world situation was changing in critical ways.
Speaker 2: You know, this idea that like Hitler came up with this,
Speaker 2: you know, one day in nineteen twenty two because it
Speaker 2: seemed like a way to kind of sway public opinion
Speaker 2: like is ridiculous. You know, the degree with which Hyler
Speaker 2: was a product of of that time and epoch, particularly
Speaker 2: the you know Lin's and at the turn of the century.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong, Hill, there was by
Speaker 2: no means like a politician or a conventional political actor,
Speaker 2: but nothing, nothing that uh he considered to be you know,
Speaker 2: the intractable kind of core of the NSD A P
Speaker 2: and its ambitions like no, no, that was like, none
Speaker 2: of that was strange, None of that was you know,
Speaker 2: issues a first impression or you know, or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Apparently his first kind of real passion of the opera
Speaker 2: he came from a Longer in the Wagner Opera he
Speaker 2: played at the Linz Opera House and the uh for
Speaker 2: those that don't know, in Longer and a key episode
Speaker 2: is ah King Henry two assembols, uh like the German
Speaker 2: Knights who are trying to expel uh like the mag Yards. Okay,
Speaker 2: which I mean interestingly, you know what I mean obviously
Speaker 2: would resonate with with the habs for Austrian kid. But uh,
Speaker 2: there's this, uh, there's this like poetic refrain when the
Speaker 2: King's addressing the men that Travis says, quote, let the
Speaker 2: reichs m L appear. We're well prepared to see him
Speaker 2: near from his eastern desert plane. He'll never dare to
Speaker 2: stir again. The German starts of German Land. That's the
Speaker 2: rich and vigor, that's well, the right in vigor stand
Speaker 2: if you go by his own testimony as well as
Speaker 2: if you go by kind of the what what can
Speaker 2: be verified as populating the kind of cultural landscape of
Speaker 2: the time, you know, these things that these kinds of
Speaker 2: key aspects a Feler's early romanticism, as well as kind
Speaker 2: of as the kind of cultural pastief that you know,
Speaker 2: he he wanted a national Solson to become a kind
Speaker 2: of a vehicle of this stuff developed when he was
Speaker 2: a kid. And I think people who commit themselves to
Speaker 2: things of that nature, I mean great and small. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously I'm not talking to I'm talking about regular people
Speaker 2: like myself, not just you know, kind of great meount
Speaker 2: of history. Like the stuff you really get into, this
Speaker 2: stuff like that you get into before like pre adolescens.
Speaker 2: Like the stuff you're into is like a teenager or
Speaker 2: a young man comes and goes. It tends to be
Speaker 2: kind of informed by passion and then the moment sort
Speaker 2: of impulses. But like the stuff you can do when
Speaker 2: you're a kid, when you're like no longer an infant,
Speaker 2: but you're like, but you're not properly like an adolescent
Speaker 2: yet the stuff you can do when you're like ten, eleven,
Speaker 2: twelve years old. You know, you can't fully understand it
Speaker 2: yet in terms of it's it's core characteristics. That's kind
Speaker 2: of like what stays with you as a mature man,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I think it's uh, it's somewhat different
Speaker 2: for women, but like women have to grow up fast too,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's I firmly believe this. I think
Speaker 2: it's uh. I think it should be written about more
Speaker 2: but the you know, the real kind of you know
Speaker 2: that more than the un than the than the Vienna.
Speaker 2: Hitler I think, uh. I think informs the the structure
Speaker 2: that the the mans like Hitler. The man's like uh
Speaker 2: Kubazac when people, you know, I think Coopsac is uh
Speaker 2: something of the unreliable, you know, an unreliable narrator of
Speaker 2: myth and lower. But I think his testimony about Hitler,
Speaker 2: I mean basically tracks in my opinion, with what other
Speaker 2: people say. And it's you know, when Hitler Hitler being
Speaker 2: told Hitler is confident based then on on his you know,
Speaker 2: what he'd submitted to other people who were in a
Speaker 2: position to judge such things, you know, kind of people
Speaker 2: in like administrative and gatekeeper roles. Okay, when he does
Speaker 2: when he he was confident that his portfolio would be accepted,
Speaker 2: you know, to the School of Fine Arts, like when
Speaker 2: it wasn't, and when the rector said, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but don't be discouraged. You know, your your your ability
Speaker 2: obviously lives in the field of architecture, young man. You know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just that. It wasn't just that Hitler didn't
Speaker 2: want to jump to bunch of hoops and probably his
Speaker 2: financial situation wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't allow that. But I mean
Speaker 2: it was that his whole kind of susition itself and
Speaker 2: what he wanted out of life. And you know the
Speaker 2: you know, artists artist view themselves is wanting to participate
Speaker 2: in something like greater than the cell. It's very spiritual.
Speaker 2: You know that this this was crushing in a way.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be just you know, if if Hitler didn't
Speaker 2: land his first job he coveted or something, you know,
Speaker 2: and uh, immediately after you know, like the following month.
Speaker 2: That's when Hitler received a news from the postmaster that
Speaker 2: his mother was dying. You know, so he rushed back
Speaker 2: to Linz, you know he could. He sought out doctor
Speaker 2: Block again, who when Hitler's mom first fell ill, you know,
Speaker 2: was uh the doctor Hitler retained because he was you know,
Speaker 2: he had a reputation from being you know, the best
Speaker 2: in his field. The drastic treatments that uh were available
Speaker 2: then involved involved treating the patient with large doses, like
Speaker 2: dangerous large doses of idio form. What's uh, I I
Speaker 2: it's basically a kind of crew for a chemotherapy, you know,
Speaker 2: something with the surgery in somebody where a metastasist is
Speaker 2: already present. They they'd be wrapped the open wound to
Speaker 2: be wrapped in clause causes dipped in idio form and
Speaker 2: idio form it would Uh one of the side effects
Speaker 2: is that the patient wouldn't be able to swallow. You know,
Speaker 2: it was uh, it was. It sounds like a kind
Speaker 2: of torture, you know. You know, and Block admonis Hitler
Speaker 2: that you know this this is a very dangerous procedure,
Speaker 2: and I there's not any reason to believe that she'll recover,
Speaker 2: but this is all we can do. And you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Block explained later in his interviews, you always said that,
Speaker 2: you know, the procedure was the idio form itself as
Speaker 2: a as a nauseating odor like chemical odor. It would
Speaker 2: burn its way to the tissues, you know, to kill
Speaker 2: the tumors ideally, but it was it was it basically
Speaker 2: would torture the patient. Okay, Block said the Hitler's mom
Speaker 2: was was it typically stoic germanly. He said that quote
Speaker 2: unflinchingly and uncomplainingly. She bore her burden, but it seemed
Speaker 2: to torture her son. An English grimace would come over
Speaker 2: him when he saw when he saw pain contractor face
Speaker 2: speaking of him, speaking of Hitler, when uh, when she died, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Block expressed as condolence as the Hitler you know,
Speaker 2: and Hitler thank Block for everything he'd done. He assured
Speaker 2: him that he'd been compensated for the remainder of who
Speaker 2: was owed and he was the Dodter said he saw
Speaker 2: that Hitler was Hitler's sketch. Pat Hitler had drawn a
Speaker 2: final sketch of his mom like you know, as she died,
Speaker 2: and Block said that you know, he said, and he said,
Speaker 2: I've seen any death bed scenes. I never saw anyone
Speaker 2: so prostrate with griefs off Hitler. Now you know, before people,
Speaker 2: I mean Hitler was with the teenager at this point,
Speaker 2: and before people say like, oh, you know this uh
Speaker 2: represents some sort of in a pro age and appropriate
Speaker 2: attachment to his mom or something like Hitler's mom was
Speaker 2: already had. You know, he had a dead father who
Speaker 2: had been a you know, a mean bully who was
Speaker 2: kind of loathed by everybody. You know, he had four
Speaker 2: dead siblings in the grave. You had a big brother
Speaker 2: who like you know, ran away and never looked back.
Speaker 2: He had a little sister that he had to take
Speaker 2: care of, you know. I mean I and plus like
Speaker 2: leaving your mom sucks. I speak of experience, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's I uh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: especially and it's one thing if uh, it's one thing
Speaker 2: if you're you know, if you're a married man and
Speaker 2: you got you know, like a family and like you know,
Speaker 2: people around you, it's like, you know, uh, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, Like you know, if if you're
Speaker 2: a single man, it's like your mom and your dad
Speaker 2: care about you, and like that's about it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And that's not that's not he's playing
Speaker 2: some kind of murder or something, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: it hits hard if you're a young person and your
Speaker 2: mom dies, you know what I mean. I mean, it
Speaker 2: hits hard anyway. But you know the and like I said, block,
Speaker 2: he was emphatic, you know, he said, hilar He's like obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, like I was enjoying certain privileges and immunities
Speaker 2: I would not have if I was not doctor. You
Speaker 2: know who I who I am? The right government. This
Speaker 2: idea that like Hitler like was seeking revenging his block
Speaker 2: or something, and this you know, took on this like
Speaker 2: anti Jewish posture, and that's that's fucking ridiculous. But it's
Speaker 2: the reason I ever size this is because it's, like
Speaker 2: I said, it's not there's not really any way I
Speaker 2: understand Hitler without you know, appealing to kind of symbolic
Speaker 2: psychological phenomenon. I mean, that's true for like any you know,
Speaker 2: Alexander the Great very probably murdered his father. I know
Speaker 2: that there's there's a controversies and people have many I mean,
Speaker 2: there's many kind of competing theories, but I you know,
Speaker 2: one part because he felt his mother was being disrespected
Speaker 2: by the you know, his father's kind of new concubine
Speaker 2: and became the favored wife. And also that you know
Speaker 2: who wasn't Macedonian, but uh, you know, and and and
Speaker 2: the heir apparent would become, you know, the child that
Speaker 2: he sided with her. But it's you know, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna find You're not gonna find a kind of squeaky
Speaker 2: clean I don't know if that's even the right way
Speaker 2: to characterize it. Your early life in ah and An
Speaker 2: a truly great man's biography, and especially I think he's
Speaker 2: a Hitler, you know, like Stophie's always driving home and
Speaker 2: his kind of rebuttal biography of if you're Hitler, wasn't
Speaker 2: the politician. Pretty much at every opportunity, Hitler avoided politics
Speaker 2: or said this is a waste of our time, or
Speaker 2: he didn't monish people, you know, like he did von
Speaker 2: Popp and and and the kind of leg see the
Speaker 2: members of the legacy regime, you know, like you don't
Speaker 2: understand what we're doing here, like you know, we this
Speaker 2: is a historical mission. We're thinking in terms of millennia.
Speaker 2: You know, we're not. We're not trying to We're not
Speaker 2: trying to come to terms with the social Democrats with
Speaker 2: the budgets. You know, We're not We're not We're not
Speaker 2: playing this. We're not engaged in this charade of parliamentarism,
Speaker 2: you know. Where uh, we're engaged in a world historical enterprise,
Speaker 2: probably side unseen since Genghis Khan. You know, and I've
Speaker 2: emphasized before in my writing as well as in our discussions,
Speaker 2: the degree to which Hitler and particularly Himmler emphasized Yasa
Speaker 2: as well as other aspects of the Mongol culture. But
Speaker 2: you know, Yasa was the it was the oral legal tradition, uh,
Speaker 2: knowledge of which was restricted to a dedicated caste. But
Speaker 2: the national socialist interest in it, in this kind of thing,
Speaker 2: particularly in the subject, was nuanced. But the understanding that
Speaker 2: we've got this kind of pastiche of peoples that constitute
Speaker 2: you know, our our our our civilizational organism that were
Speaker 2: scattered to the wind by the thirty years of war.
Speaker 2: You know, now we're trying to create a kind of
Speaker 2: cohesion there in and rebuild and bring up our racial
Speaker 2: stock or cultural stock, if you what do you prefer
Speaker 2: that's become weakened, and is is definitely inferior in critical
Speaker 2: ways vis a vis our adversaries. And we've we've got to,
Speaker 2: you know, we we've got to create a kind of
Speaker 2: new European man. You know, these are things that the
Speaker 2: Mongols were charged with two in their own way. I
Speaker 2: mean the Mongols they you know, the Turks when they
Speaker 2: were you know, a step people. They uh you know,
Speaker 2: they were they they were like a pastige of ethnicities,
Speaker 2: you know that they'd taken on as as janissaries of
Speaker 2: slaves and you then were like manumitted and assimilated. I mean,
Speaker 2: it wasn't we're not talking about that degree of of alienage,
Speaker 2: you know, between German people. But Hitler was correct, and
Speaker 2: uh what he described as you know, the kind of
Speaker 2: shattering catalysts of the Thirty Years War and you know,
Speaker 2: uh later modernity on the Germans as the people and
Speaker 2: thus Europeans as a people. You know. So that's uh,
Speaker 2: that's key. And I mean I and of course to
Speaker 2: the the thing to keep anybody who anybody who views
Speaker 2: himself as possessing a mandate, a providential mandate, uh A
Speaker 2: a world historical right, if you will. Anyone who finds
Speaker 2: themselves in circumstances where they are the agent of of history,
Speaker 2: or of providence or of a divine will. You know,
Speaker 2: whether you're talking about Cromwell or Muhammad, or Hiller or
Speaker 2: Napoleon or Genghis Khan, you're gonna be forced to say
Speaker 2: aside conventional moral considerations because at a at at a
Speaker 2: certain scale, and that that just doesn't apply anymore, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's certain the exigence, the exigency is presented, do
Speaker 2: not allow or individuated moral judgments. That's just reality, you know.
Speaker 2: I And people want to pretend like that's an Italien
Speaker 2: phenomenon to America, So I think it's absolutely not. That's whatever.
Speaker 2: During the Cold War, that's what every every man who
Speaker 2: who took the oath of office had to be prepared
Speaker 2: to kill tens of millions of a Soviets. I mean,
Speaker 2: like that's you know, within minutes potentially, you know, so
Speaker 2: Americans don't going to echo aloof and say like, oh no,
Speaker 2: this is an alibi of you know, people in the
Speaker 2: old world who you know becausessor developed moral understanding. But
Speaker 2: you know, the one of the things about people like Hitler,
Speaker 2: like Muhammad, like Cromwell, despite the kind of dummy cliffs
Speaker 2: notes propaganda versions of Hitler's a sendency or of like
Speaker 2: or or what these like chet Nick types and these
Speaker 2: Zionist say about, like Muhammad, you can be the biggest
Speaker 2: con man in the world, and like people aren't gonna
Speaker 2: people aren't gonna follow you like you're a prophet, or
Speaker 2: they're not gonna they're not gonna decide you're like a
Speaker 2: stride history and you know, and and and and and
Speaker 2: just you know, say yeah, I agree with you. You're
Speaker 2: a messianic person just because you say so. That's not
Speaker 2: the way things work. Like Hitler was the fear, because
Speaker 2: that's what eighty million people said. You know, Muhammad apparently
Speaker 2: was a messenger of God because well, the entire Arabian
Speaker 2: peninsula said he was. You know. Agur Cromwell was never
Speaker 2: particularly religious. When he was about forty years old, he
Speaker 2: started claiming he was in communion with God. And he
Speaker 2: had no military experience, but he just like one day
Speaker 2: raised an army and uh went and cut the king's
Speaker 2: head off, you know what I mean? Like that, you
Speaker 2: can you can't just like decide that what you're gonna be,
Speaker 2: you know, and you can't you can't just you can't
Speaker 2: just say like subtle circumstances and how facilitated this like
Speaker 2: mythology being developed after the facts, you know. So I
Speaker 2: mean there's there's that too, I but I focused on
Speaker 2: what it did today because, like I said, they kind
Speaker 2: of the main excluding Tall and obviously the main court
Speaker 2: history biographies of of Adolf Hitler. They claim that Hitler's
Speaker 2: early life and his purported psychological frailties and mythologies they're
Speaker 2: in is what made him evil, and that coupled with
Speaker 2: this like irrational desire for revenge in the week of
Speaker 2: World War One, his constitutes like you know, the the
Speaker 2: the psychological landscape of of of of Hitler. Okay, and
Speaker 2: none of that makes any sense, But that's why I
Speaker 2: focused on what I did. And also I didn't if
Speaker 2: people had the things they wanted to raise about the series. Generally,
Speaker 2: I thought we'd cover that, but I put a solicited question.
Speaker 2: People didn't really have anything outstanding, at least at least
Speaker 2: it hadn't kind of been asked and answered. But that's
Speaker 2: that's uh, yeah, what I got for today. Man s
Speaker 2: for being this being kind of brief, but like I said,
Speaker 2: you can tell him not at one hundred percent yet,
Speaker 2: but I hope.
Speaker 1: Uh not a problem.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hope I would like it.
Speaker 1: I think I would like to do an episode one
Speaker 1: day where we just asked the tough questions about about him.
Speaker 2: No, that's fine man, And I'm always yeah, I uh,
Speaker 2: people always getting on me to do a space I
Speaker 2: I don't really like Twitter is like the platform to
Speaker 2: do live stuff, but we should do. I definitely like
Speaker 2: to do a stream on Hitler, you know, like basically
Speaker 2: on our series that we just completed, but you know,
Speaker 2: outstanding questions and stuff that people want to take up.
Speaker 1: Sure, I have a bunch too. So well it's two
Speaker 1: plugs and uh, let you get back to heal it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll be fine, man, I mean I but yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for the well wishes. You can find me. My
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Speaker 2: seeking you shall find like go to my Twitter or
Speaker 2: go to my website.
Speaker 1: All that.
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm in the process of a and like
Speaker 2: a colleague of mine, we're we're putting together some immerseed
Speaker 2: that long Last is going to be available on the
Speaker 2: gum Road. And thanks again for for during the movie
Speaker 2: series with me. People are very excited about that and
Speaker 2: it gives me something to populate my gum Road with
Speaker 2: as I kind of you know, diversify products they're available
Speaker 2: and stuff. But yeah, man, that's what I got. And
Speaker 2: well we'll reconvened later this week and do more stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Have a good ey