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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanona Show.

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I'm back here with Thomas. It's been a little while.

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How are you doing all right?

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Speaker 2: I was quite ill for a spell. That owes to

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my I mean, my absence owes to that as well

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as you know, not my not dropping content in particularly

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timely manner. But I think I'm out of the woods, Okay,

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I mean a gottape. I'm going to the Meter conference

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this weekend. But I appreciate you hosting me man as always.

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What I want to get into, what I want to

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get into today, and of course you're the boss of

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this program. I want to discuss how there's a nascent

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sort of revisionist Uh, there's a nas intolerance for a

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revisionist scholarship about Adolf Hitler. Okay, that I think is undeniable.

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I'm talking about, you know, in in corridors where that

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was not tolerated whatsoever, you know, even a decade or

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a decade and a half ago. And it's very interesting

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that always to a lot of factors that owes to

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the Second World War truly fading from living memory, you know,

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it owes to the kind of democratization of university resources

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it owes to you know, the complete and total absence

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of a bully pulpit that academ in you know, in

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conjunction with media used to enjoy and you know, facilitated

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a really kind of complete and total capability to dominate

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the conceptual landscape. You know, not not just enforce you know,

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strictures on what's considered to be an acceptable opinion, but

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quite literally control the conceptual narrative, you know. I mean

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people find that hard to believe now that that could

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be done. But I mean think pre Internet. I think

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when any media you can assume it's truly passive. You know,

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you don't select the programming, and your your your access

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to data really is limited to what you can find

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at your local library, you know, or library system. But

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it's interesting because I would have I would have thought

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it would be the opposite within the bounded rationale of

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or a visioness enterprise, a software business enterprise. Relating to

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the Third Reich, I would have thought that the Nazi

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Party would have been somehow rehabilitated in terms of oh,

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these are just ignorant people or some such thing. But

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you know, Hitler was this sort of evil songali type

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who who's who swept them up. And in this you know,

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sort of miasma of evil and madness, it's really kind

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of the opposite. You know, a lot of these treatments

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have a very very punitive view of the party and

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of its loyalists, and they're certainly not friendly to Adolf Hitler,

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but they they normalize him, and within the context of

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historicists discussion of his life and times and and and

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career as a war as a politician, and as a warlord.

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Most recently twenty nineteen, this book Hitler at Global Biography

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by Brendan Simms. This is an important book, and specifically

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at dovetails with something I've written about rather extensively. That is,

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it's my belief that Itolf Hitler believed America to be

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his primary adversary. He believed Roosevelt was his personal enemy.

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He believed in America was you know, new deal America,

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you know, as as America had become constitutive if a

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nine thirty three revolution. Hitler viewed that his permanent and

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he wasn't wrong. He viewed America as the as the

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as the foe of Europe, and uh, he viewed it

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as this still essence of you know, kind of the

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the the uh, like the Jewish perspective on on political life,

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you know, and kind of like the penultimate expression of

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of of of Jewish social engineering, you know, rit large

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like people turn around and say, you know, you can't

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say that, you know, the entire raison detra of the

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NSDAP was was was anti Bolshevism, and its emergence owed

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one hundred percent to you know, the emergence of revolutionary communism.

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You know, so you can't discuss this discrete quantity, you know,

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contra America that developed, according you know to geostrategic challenges

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and ideological discourse somehow unrelated to that, you know, and

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and and and and came to you know, identify America

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as as as the primary adversary. I want to get

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into my rebuttal to that today in terms of what

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actually happened, you know, rather than counter factuals. And we're

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gonna cover a little bit of familiar ground. But I

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figured today you know, i'll kind of address you know,

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the main objections to that perspective. I just I just

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explained the second episode, the second part you know, well, uh,

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we'll talk about Hitler contra Roosevelt and the kind of

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direct hostile discourse between the two, you know, Roosevelt's radio

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addresses and Hitler's radio addresses. They were they were obviously

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in direct dialogue with each other, and it's fascinating. And

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then finally, you know how I want to get into

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some comparing, comparing and contrasting, you know, in direct kind

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of in direct capacity, you know, of textual criticism, you know,

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like the Sims book and books like RHS. Stolphie is

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fantastic biographia. Hitler called Hitler beyond evil and tyranny and

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John Toland, who I believe wrote the kind of seminal

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buyer for Madolf Hitler. I part ways to them on

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some claims, and we'll get into that later. Toland, I mean,

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know that, I know that I'm Toland accepted some aspects

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of court the court history, the court history narrative, and

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the Nuremberg narrative that people find highly objectionable. But you know,

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the astute for historical review when they were quite a

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bit harder line. Are you leaving there today? You know,

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like hosted him on multiple occasions the guy wasn't you know,

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some milk toast And he wasn't you know some he was.

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trying to trying to score points by you know, writing

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an edgy book and you know, during the deton era

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask the question before we go

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on to Sims reference Hitler's second book A Lot. Yeah,

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can you address the people who think that it is

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not legitimate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because every day idiots tell me things are fake.

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The girl's areas are fake, mine comp's fake. Hitler's second

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book is fake. You know, Mike Dick is fake. The

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moon landing is fake. The air we breathe is fake.

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Like I was fucking retarded. I'm sick of it. Like

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it's not it's not fake, you know, like at some

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point people have to accept that reality is what it

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appears to be, you know. And somehow, somehow the second

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book tracks exactly what with Hitler related to confidence, particularly

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you know, to Gebbels to uh has you know, long

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before the most critical phases that war ensued. Obviously, you know,

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things that he disclosed to Spear, who I Spear was

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a real weasel, but he was. You know, that doesn't

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mean you discount every single thing he said as being

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as being some some self serving lie like at all

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own it. I'm sure that sounded puerile, but like I I,

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I am so sick of people just declaring things to

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be faked, you know, like I it's it's like it's

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like a mental illness or something, you know, people. That's

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why I object to not for the tangent, but I

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don't like the whole like red pill metaphor, because it's

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like it's just it's just it's this idea that everybody's

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kind of diddy bopping around like an idiot. Then they

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come to some like special knowledge that like things are

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what they appear to be, Like they all of a

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sudden real that like maybe everything they see on CNN

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isn't true, you know, and that's the rid pill. So

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then if that they decided like literally everything on this

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planet is fake, you know, like Hitler was fake. He

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worked for Wall Street and the builder Bergs put him there,

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and you know, World War two was fake, and then

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the Cold War was fake, you know, so you know,

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in the fake moon landing was part of the fake

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Cold War that's it's it's it's really really really really stupid.

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like make sense of a world that confuses them. You know.

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It's like these hood guys will claim that like he

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heaps and treat fruit punch like makes you sterile, and

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you're like, that doesn't make any sense, Like not a

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dog it do it do? It's literally the same thing.

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It's like just as fucking stupid. You know, they're okay, fine,

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everything is fake. All right, I'm an idiot and everything's fake,

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so don't watch.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: I think there's like Hitler in terms of his character

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that's misrepresented by people like Alan Block, by people like

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kersh uh really about kind of the seminal Like mainstream

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historians of Hitler, they cast him as this kind of

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provincial rube who was not an old worldly you know,

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and you know kind of had no understanding of power,

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political affairs outside of you know, this narrow corner literally

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of the kind of of of the Hassery Empire where

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he was raised. You know, this kind of this kind

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of underdeveloped, you know, sort of failing by the time

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he was born like monarchists, dinosaur, you know, that was

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that was racked by like ethnic conflict and and things

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and that kind of arcane political structures, you know, and

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and and intrigues and dead as they're in. That's not

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at all the case. It was very very rare for

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people in Hitler's epoch to travel overseas, you know, like

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for example, it was like a big deal when like

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Wilson went to Europe. You know, Hitler himself also and

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uh Is Kuzabek and and his sister Relayed. Hitler was

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when he was a little kid. Hitler's two passions were reading,

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and he constantly would pour over maps with his colored pencils.

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and like these great conflicts he'd read about. But he

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loved reading about cowboys and Indians and like playing cowboys

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and Indians. And something I found hilarious is, you know

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the wheat Croft collection that that that eccentric englishman from

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Central Casting Wheatcroft, who's got the most extensive collection of

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third rite artifacts on this planet, from you know, like

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Hitler busts to uh pans or tanks and everything in between.

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the basement areas one could access and bergo and we

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you know, into the basement area. I mean, they're lucky

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didn't collapse on them. And there was like a game

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there was a bowling alley, but everywhere there was like

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nuts and we cross Like No, Hitler loved Coca Cola.

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uh as uh as a Lonza in in the Reichs

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and and in the Kaiser's Army. Okay, Hitler wasn't like

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ignorant of America or something or like just viewed it

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town of prejudice. His would and what he began saying

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you know, truly insinuated into the into the end of

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the inner circleabal of fighters. You know, he was in

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that orbit, and he'd speak freely to Hitler, and he

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was constantly trying to sway Hitler away from viewing the

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Soviet Union as something that had to be destroyed. And

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Rosenberg hated him, and both men seem to think they

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get somehow like sway the fewer of their perspective out

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of Russia. You know, obviously Rosenberg this you know, violently

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punitive view of Russia, which is totally understandable him being

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a Baltic German. And Hoshtengle said to Hitler that, you know,

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it would be a fool's error and for any you know,

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for any for any world, or or any you know,

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to to make war in the Soviet Union. You know,

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that'd be an unwinnable war, and Hitler said no, no.

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unwinnable war would be against the United States. When it awakens,

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the United States is going to rule this planet. You know,

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how America possesses quite literally fifty percent of this planet's

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you know, natural resources. Hitler himself had he had an

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uncanny ability to take reams of data and take conceptual

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and and take conceptual sets of data that don't really

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lend themselves to you know, translating into inputs. And he

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translate the power political variables, you know, both concrete and

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behavioral and everything else. Hitler viewed the United States. Says,

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this burgaining superpower unlike anything the world had ever seen.

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things Sims drives home and this makes me so happy,

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did not view the German people as some master race

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as they existed in nineteen thirty three. He thought Germany

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was in terrible shape. He said, you know, the thirty

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years wore smashed Germany into pieces literally, you know. And

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he's like, in sixteen forty eight, our population was scattered

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to the four Wins. You know, we like lost who

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we were, you know, like the best of our the

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best of our mentioned material was was in the grave,

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you know. And he's like, there was this kind of

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like this. You had a bunch of uh, you know,

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you had a bunch of people made war refugees who

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had been made into like refugees, you know, who are

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basically forcely assimilated into you know, by by the you know,

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by by these by these slavonic peoples that they then

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had to live among after being banned from banish from

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their own land, you know. And he said, after that,

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you know, Germany, even uh, even after unification, you know,

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Germany is slightly smaller than Wyoming, you know, in power

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political terms, Germany is a tiny country with no with

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no natural resources, like all it has is its people.

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And you know, from the turn of the nineteenth century

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until the immigration reform Acts of nineteen twenty four, something

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like five point nine million Germans had left in Germany

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for the United States. You know, Hitler said like these

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were our best people. You know, He's like, they were

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the people who could survive a journey, you know, which

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in those days was no small thing. You had to

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be a robust person. You know. These are the guys

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gonna handle, you know, like weathering poverty and terrible hardship

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for years of need be to build something. You know.

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These are the guys who weren't afraid to literally look

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at a location on a map and say, I'm going

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to travel thousands of miles away in some cases, you know,

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and live on this new continent. You know. Hitler's like

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what was left in Europe? You know, He's like or

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people who were just like weaker in mind and spirit,

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or people had been like left behind by history. It

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goes on to say, and only to the fact, you know,

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Hitler knew Americans. He fought them. He said, like, you know,

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when I fought these people, when we fought these people,

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you know, he's like, they're these large, robust people, you know,

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and he's like compared to them, you know, he was

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like real like this kind of like sinewy weaklings who

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get knocked out by rifle fire. You know, He's like,

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these guys could take shit to the chest and like

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in some cases recover. You know, he's like it was,

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He's like, we didn't stand a chance in nineteen eighteen

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being bled white as we had like fighting like you know,

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the American Army, you know, the book which in those

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days was made up of a bunch of German people,

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you know, by by race, if you want to look

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at like that. Okay, So this was this was Hitler's perspective.

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You know. It wasn't uh, America sucks. You know, it's weak,

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it's misigenated. You know, the Germans are the best people

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on earth. It was the opposite. It was we're dying out,

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and the only way we cannot die out is through

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this kind of top down process of pelagenesis, part of

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which is spiritual, you know, part of which is is

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historical in nature, you know, part of which is physical

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and biological quite literally, you know, part of which is

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a matter of social engineering. But of such a nature

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that's going to have organic residents, and isn't you know,

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just some sort of contrived isn't just some sort of

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contrived political program, you know, like emerging from the minds

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of of of you know, a of a of a

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minute of an information ministry or something. So this is

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where this is where Hitler was coming from. And I

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want to add two. And Sims makes this point in

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both mind comp and the second book. Hitler does not

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He barely even mentions black people. He says that he

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has some punitive things to say about the American South

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because he said that importing he said, importing thousands or

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millions of of of of Negro or Aboriginal slaves. He said,

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that's called barbaric. You know, he didn't so much mean

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it's like mean to enslaved people. And he didn't mean

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that at all. Like he meant that, you know, having

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this like massive slave population that's not as similable. You

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know that in some places outnumbers you know, the you know,

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the the master casts. I mean that there's literally perverse,

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you know. And he uh, beyond that, and mind comp

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he makes some passing reference to how, you know, they

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kind of the kind of universality of cultural identity and

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you know kind of like kind of like rudimentary religion,

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no matter how primitive it can be, and it may be.

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And he said that like, you know, people even see this,

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and you know people even see this in the most

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like primitive Negro tribe, you know, which was like shorthand

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for like Afrians. So that's you know, I I mean,

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like why is that important. It's not that it's so important,

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but for years, not just the long proceeds like like

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wokesm and kind of fake scholarship online, there's this like

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narrative that like Hitler for no reason and had some

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like demented hatred of blacks and like hated Jesse Owens.

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And I mean that's like that's there's literally demented. But

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that that was basically Hitler's musings in America kind of

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like looking at at the strategic landscape when you know,

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he became reix Chnsler that when mister Roosevelt took the

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oath of office. So why was Hitler so fixated on Russia. Well,

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there's the obvious exigence of you know, it being Germany

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being situated on the Soviet frontier. You know, the communists

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were an existential threat to the Germans, you know, the

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uh there was a an inextricable aspect of anti communism

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to national socialism. But the thing is the Germans, said

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one in Germany. I mean, that's why Hitler was Hitler.

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Hitler was a reichs Consler. You know. Some years later,

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you know, they won in Spain, you know, like the

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the Communists were losing in Western Europe. And the thing

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with communism is that, you know, once it once, it

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loses that kind of like revolutionary fervor, it don't it

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doesn't come back. You know. That's why after World War Two,

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you know, when one would think like, oh, you know,

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like marcist Leminism is a zenith. You know, in the

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Third World it was, but in Europe, like nobody they

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it literally had to be imposed at the point of

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a band, you know. So it's a it's a different thing,

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you know. And uh so people will there another people

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will raise the question then like well then why why

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why was the War in the East literally declared to

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be a rosen Krige, and why was it so brutal?

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And why why why did the hit are formally distinguished

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it from the War in the West. And I'll give

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into this in a minute and declare that you know,

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any German officer enlisted man in the East is immune

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to prosecution for crimes against humanity, you know, and as

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a contrary, you know, the the occupation of France or

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nothing like that would be tolerated, you know, not not

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even like by anybody. There's an interesting little factoid. I

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think it's more than a factoid. I think it's fundamentally important.

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There's this really interesting book. It's not my favorite books.

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It's by this often named Prouden Prodden pr w D

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I m. The Mongol Empire or the Mongols in their

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Empire by Michael Prodden, which was a pen name. But

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this book made the rounds in German academ you know,

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in the in the I think the first I think

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the first edition was published in nineteen twenty nine. If somebody,

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if I'm wrong, somebody correct me. But people like among comparative,

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people into like comparative social anthropology and cultural anthropology, people

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into philology, particularly people into military science. They found us

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to be a very important book. Heindrich Himmler became fixing

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down this book at the at the SS younger schools.

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It was a signed reading. Every SS officer, upon receiving

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his commission, was given a copy of it. Jack and

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Piper his uh, his term paper or his thesis. I

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guess what he considered you know, his like bachelor's thesis

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when he was when he was at SS Officer School.

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It was on the Mongols, but it was it was

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on a specific aspect of uh Mongol culture. That aspect

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was something called the Yasa y a s s A.

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Yasa was quite literally the law of the Mongol Empire.

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But in the Mongol Empire, the law was literally kept

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secret and it never made public. The Yasa had its

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origin and wartime decrees. Later it was expanded, extrapolated from

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these military conventions, you know, to include behavioral conventions, you know,

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things relating to cultural things and and conjugal things and

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and you know, disputes over property and things like this.

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But it remained a secret. It was, but it's believed

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and there's a very incomplete record of the Mongols in

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terms of you know, their cultural practice and things. It's

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believed that this was supervised by genghis Ka himself was

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who appointed his adopted son Shigi Kutsu. It's kind of

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a like like a high judge or like a lawgiver. Okay.

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He appointed his second son, Shaga Tai Khan to oversee

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the law as execution, you know, quite literally as lord

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high executioner. Now, this idea of a body of law

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that obviously one of the reasons for its secretiveness is

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not just so that you know, the high lawgiver can

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maintain this mystique and decrees therein and precedent can be

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modified and applied selectively, but it also you know, it's

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it also it also obviously he speaks of of of

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believe in the divine origin, okay, the social order, and

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of military endeavors, and of you know, the the function

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of soldiery in and of itself. Okay, Piper wrote his, uh,

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his his paper on Yasa, and you know, uh it

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got glowing marks from his teachers, and Himler would Himler

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Piper would periodically refer to Gengis Khan and Mongol concepts

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just in the discussion of military affairs. This obviously like

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loved really large in his mind. Okay. So what this

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translates to is there was a belief that they're they're

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they're quite ahead to be some sort of adjacent moral

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ethos of you know, your vanguard soldiery, you know, and

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that's what the SS was supposed to be. You know,

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they were supposed to be a kind of they're supposed

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to be kind of the reconstuted to Tic knights, but

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they they were really kind of a it isn't a

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perfect example, but they were almost, uh, you know, like

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a jihad element, Okay, and some sort of integrated some

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sort of integrated structure of you know, law and command

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authority and theological small t theological imperatives is really what

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something like that requires. And I'll get into that in

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a minute, like why that is so important? Okay. A

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couple things that stand out, A couple of instances, you know,

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with people who discuss some command responsibility relating the relating

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to the German war crimes and on genocide in the in

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the Second World War. One of those instances is Himler's

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posting speech. There's speeches in October ninety forty three where

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Himmler addressed and assembled you know, the assembled higher SS

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and police leaders and he's any openly stated stated we're

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talking about we're talking about the the eradication of the

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Jewish people. This was in nineteen forty three October, which

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really shouldn't surprise anybody considering the state of things. Okay.

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The second instance that they tend to raise, you know,

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they raise it as is almost almost like a litigation attorney,

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would you know an admission by a party opponent the

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over Salzburg speech on August twenty second, ninety thirty nine,

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which obviously was right, you know, it was the eve

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of the assault on Polam. This American journalist Louis P.

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Lockner just gets a little complicated. He contacted a diplomat

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named Alexander Coms dot Kirk. He showed him the text

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of this speech that Hitler had the Hitler at the

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Hitler had delivered h to the assembled, over to the

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to the assembled the brass at over Salzburg. In turn,

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it was transmitted to the British diplomat George Ogilvy Forbes,

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who of course made it public in British intelligence circles,

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you know, almost immediately. And the belief almost certainly, or

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the understanding almost certainly, was it was Wilhelm Canaris, the

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chief of the advert who was the intelligence leak okay,

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and he was he was present there, and it's interesting

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for all kinds of reasons that this is what he

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chose to really, this is what he chose to leak

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in lieu of some other things over the because because

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Canaris didn't leak everything and sometimes he did what was

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what one will consider to be the patriotic thing to

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do at critical junctures, like other times he was engaged

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in catastrophic acts of treason as relays to you know,

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the disclosure of what would be considered eyes only secrets.

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But he has in may these documents, the documents considering

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this speech, or at least the notes that constituted the speech,

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as much as as much as our snitch who will

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will accept as Canaris proffered to the allies, every every uh,

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every exhibit profitent Nrberg was cataloged with a letter in

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a number code. This the text of the speech. It's

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his paragraph and number code is paragraph three of Exhibit

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L three. It's it's I'll read irrelevant paragraphs. It's short.

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This is Hitler speaking. Our strength consists in our speed

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and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women

471
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,400
and children to slaughter with premeditation and a happy heart.

472
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960
History season m solely the founder of a state. It's

473
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,319
a matter of indifference to me. With a week, Western

474
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,799
European civilization will say about me. I've issued the command.

475
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,240
I don't have anybody who utters but one word of

476
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,000
criticism executed by fire squad, that our war aim is

477
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,400
not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical

478
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,400
destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I placed my death head

479
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,480
formation in readiness to the present only in the only

480
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,039
in the East, with orders to them to send death

481
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:19,559
mercilessly and without compassion. With sent with orders to them

482
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,599
to send to death merciless lead and without compassion, men,

483
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,279
women and children have polished the rivation and heritage be

484
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:29,519
Thus shall we gain the living space which we need? Who,

485
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,119
after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians.

486
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,839
That's that famous quote about the Armenians comes from. Okay,

487
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:38,839
So what is Hitler saying now, mind you, when he

488
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,960
talks about putting any insubordinate person of the firing squad,

489
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,279
he's saw having the men in uniform without exception. Okay,

490
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,400
So that's that's raconian, but it's appropriate, Okay, within the

491
00:33:49,640 --> 00:34:01,079
commonly accepted laws and customs of war as uh. That

492
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,759
coupled with the Commissar order, couple with the Barbarossa decree,

493
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,960
you know which. Again I'm not going to read verbatim

494
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,320
word for word the text of those documents, but it

495
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,760
essentially stripped away any and all precedent relating, you know,

496
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719
permissive or compulsory related to the laws and customs of

497
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,480
wars in sixteen forty eight, while acknowledging that in the

498
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:34,599
West these things would still be scrupulously honored and observed. Okay,

499
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:44,239
so what does that mean? What that means is that,

500
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,840
in practical terms, Hitler realized that in order to become

501
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:57,159
a superpower, Germany had to annihilate everything east of the

502
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:04,960
order that was not reconcilable with the German ambition, you know,

503
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:12,840
of conquering, of conquering a land mass essentially from uh,

504
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,039
from the Atlantic Ocean, you know, to uh, the Earls

505
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:28,719
and perhaps beyond. There's no way that one can reconcile

506
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:36,760
that ambition. And there's no way that one can imagine

507
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,679
a strategy, grand strategy that doesn't entail some variant of

508
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:51,599
that whereby Germany survives. You know, it's I mean, if

509
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,239
you want to and you know, keep in mind too,

510
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,559
like you know, you know, Prussia was populated when the

511
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,840
Prussians conquered it. You know, these uh, these these winds,

512
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,559
they there were people somebody adjacent to you know, the

513
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,079
pagan Baltic tribes, you know, who who some of the

514
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,480
later crusades were waged against. You know, this was this

515
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,400
was a wild land. But you know, the this precedent

516
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,599
within the German cultural and military psychology for this, and

517
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,559
you know, it's like it's like saying, you know, people

518
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,920
saying like, oh, you know, it's it's laughable to say that.

519
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,519
You know, the Hitler viewed America is the adversary of Europe,

520
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,280
you know, when he was talking about putting you know,

521
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
entire countries to the sword in the East. It's really

522
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,639
not man, I mean, it's the the US. You know,

523
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,440
did during the Creek War did uh did did people

524
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,840
view the United Kingdom as uh as a greater existential

525
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,840
threat to America or you know, or the Comanche. You know,

526
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,480
one thing is related to the other because you know,

527
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:09,880
if you're fighting quite literally a war against two discrete populations,

528
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,239
you know, there's there's there's there's gonna be some sort

529
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,639
of weighing of you know, the relative threat potential of both.

530
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,960
But the idea that you know, the willingness to exterminated

531
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:31,599
people in lieu of abiding the laws and customs of war,

532
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,079
it's pre efficient evidence that those people are you know,

533
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,559
your worst enemy. That's not conceptually, that's not how high

534
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:45,320
politics works the theory are we Are we saying that

535
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,880
today on the news every day? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The

536
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,559
you know, there's also too, there's not we don't think

537
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,519
of Germany as a colonial power, you know, during the

538
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,159
second wave of colonialism, but they were, you know, and

539
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,320
then arguably contextual preducts too. Is the Herrero uprising in

540
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:27,079
nineteen oh four in German Africa. General Lothar Monrotha there

541
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:36,239
was this uprising obviously of of these Herrero tribesmen and

542
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,920
they were they they were driven out and chased into

543
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:47,639
the into and into the cold, into this adjacent territory

544
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,199
of the Kalahari Desert, you know, which was uh which

545
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,159
was a waste land, okay, Montroda. He had them locked

546
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:59,159
down and he in any any refugees who tried to

547
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:10,400
access water were shot. So when Troth and his men

548
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,840
were quite literally hunting these people to extinction in the desert,

549
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:23,719
Charte himself referred to the order he was, the order

550
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,960
that he issued regarding the treatment of these people and

551
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:34,840
not distinguishing, you know, between between persons, you know, just

552
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,719
like you know, regardless of sex, age, ability to bear arms,

553
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,800
overall health. You know, they were all to be killed

554
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,400
so called very next Clumbus baffle quite literally an annihilation

555
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:53,519
order or annihilation command, and his words the quote, the

556
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:56,400
hero are no longer German subjects within the German border.

557
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Every hero was shot with her without rifle, with without care.

558
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,199
I take no more wives and child, no child. I

559
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,480
take no more wives and no children. I drive them

560
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,039
back to their people, or let them be shot. You know.

561
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:13,199
I mean, that's uh, incredibly hard words from a hard man.

562
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,159
But the you know, I realize I'm jumping around a lot.

563
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:26,599
I hope that doesn't. I hope that that's not you know,

564
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:28,679
rendering this ole page.

565
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: You'll bring it back home.

566
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: We got it right, the uh to bring it back

567
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,639
the sims And I tell you, you know, I make

568
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:47,559
the point about Hiller being Hitler was a political gambler,

569
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:55,039
but he's militarily cautious. And that's a stuffy point as well.

570
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:59,559
We'll get into some of that too, because it's significant

571
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,599
to kind of like the the myth versus reality of

572
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:17,679
Adolf Hitler. But something, something that something that uh is

573
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:25,159
uh is undeniable, is that Hitler was several steps ahead

574
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,000
of his generals. I don't think anybody in an Okay,

575
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:34,280
in the ok W had a truly developed sense of

576
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,840
the political in the way that Hitler did. Okay, in

577
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,639
generals for the most part don't. That's something is it's

578
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,840
crazy to me people these days in this country act

579
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,320
like generals, you know, understand power political affairs, and that

580
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,159
it's it's perfectly legitimate for them to have opinions on policy,

581
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,760
like you know, the army has no policy. But it's

582
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,920
also and this isn't me trashing military men. They they

583
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:04,920
they you know, in concrete particulars and every kind of discreets.

584
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,960
You know, it's a it's remarkably complicated but a very discrete,

585
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,360
you know, sort of a sphere of action. You know,

586
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,480
they don't generally have a great understanding of the political

587
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:27,840
impactfulness of military activity, nor how political occurrences index and

588
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:34,599
milatary military activity. I mean most people don't, but you know,

589
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:41,760
General's especially this stands out contraary Hitler. Hitler could look

590
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,559
at a political situation and at burgeting crisis and generally

591
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,960
discern what was developing, you know, four or five proverbial

592
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,119
moves ahead, like that's what the game of chess is Okay,

593
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,679
Like I I went to a phase. I was playing

594
00:42:57,679 --> 00:42:58,920
a lot of chess as a kid, and like I

595
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,760
read all the chess books and stuff. Then I found out,

596
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,119
like I love pool, you know and hears. But you

597
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,960
know what these with these chess masters can do. Like

598
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,400
like there's this movie about like Bobby Fisher that was

599
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,280
you know Peope. Now he's like a persona on Grada

600
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,880
because he's like anti Semitic or he said something nice

601
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,719
about Serbia or something, but he's you know, he was canceled.

602
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,199
But there's this movie about Bobby Fisher and you know

603
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,480
kind of like his life as this you know, child

604
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:30,440
prodigy and the way they portray it. I realized we've

605
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,400
got to portray things in a certain way in film

606
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,039
and make it compelling, but especially if it's a cerebral

607
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:40,199
process you're trying to convey to the audience. But the

608
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,119
way these the way these high level chess kids are

609
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,360
like playing, it's almost like a shootout. You know, Like

610
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,440
Fisher like moves his night you know, then like the

611
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,000
other kid like Perry's almost and moves his Bishop. It's

612
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,360
not how like top level chess masters played. They're like

613
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,079
they're like five moves ahead, you know, and they're and

614
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,199
and they're they're figuring out the best way to facilitate

615
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,800
like that end game. You know, then I've already seen

616
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,199
and like if that potentiality collapses, it's like, okay, you

617
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,719
know there are this there's said they're rapidly reorienting towards

618
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,880
you know, another outcome that's like five moves ahead. You know.

619
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:14,719
That's and that the same thing with the game theory.

620
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
You know, if you want to fight and win a

621
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,880
nuclear war, I don't I want to get into the

622
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,119
debate about like, you know, can win a nuclear war?

623
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,280
There's an ethical judgment and also like yes you can,

624
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,719
but it depends on what the victory metric is. And

625
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,880
that's that's uh that that's not an absolute criteria. But

626
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:37,559
point being, if you're gonna fight and win a nuclear war,

627
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,079
you you basically have to be three steps ahead. Okay,

628
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,679
you can't. You can't be rendering decision, you know, in

629
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,719
the in the moment and waiting for way, waiting for

630
00:44:47,760 --> 00:45:00,559
the variables to reveal. But uh so Hitler, Hitler realized

631
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,880
that god damn one thing, I lost my train of

632
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,159
thought as I'm still like not a one hundred percent. Oh,

633
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:20,920
Hitler took on December one, uh, you know, right, just

634
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,599
on December eleventh, and we'll get into this next time.

635
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:28,000
That was that was Hitler's speech to the Reichstag, you know,

636
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,800
where he announced that the declaration of war against the

637
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:35,599
United States. This was also you know, as the assault

638
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:48,280
on Moscow was was was was failing, like catastrophically. Hitler

639
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,000
a famous Nations of the Order, you know, the Army

640
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:59,599
group center, don't you dare retreat? And this is characterized

641
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,119
as like Hler being you know, like this madman. But

642
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:10,280
Hilo was a salvage. Uh what remained of the operation

643
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:16,800
because Moscow had to fall in December or all was lost. Okay,

644
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,159
And I believe he knew that on some level, and

645
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,760
everything I think subsequent was an anti climax. But apparently

646
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:40,039
apparently ok W over you know, Bermont high command. This

647
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:49,599
was when w Chief Operations Walter Varlamont, he contacted Yodel

648
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,239
and said, you know who was then a who was

649
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,599
then chief of operations of OKW Arland, you know, said

650
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,000
you know, can you have you heard of the fear

651
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:08,880
is that declared war in America? You know? Yodel said yes,

652
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:13,239
and according to Varlo Mont, like Yodel is like white

653
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760
is a sheet, you know, it said that. You know,

654
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,800
now the the you know, the the general stab is

655
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400
charged with you know, no way to examine where where

656
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,440
the United States is like mostly going to employ the

657
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,239
bulk of our forces initially, whether it's the far East Europe,

658
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,320
and we can't take further decisions until that has been clarified.

659
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:47,280
Villamont replied, well, he said, this is obviously a necessary consideration,

660
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,119
you know, commissioning this analysis. But he said, you know,

661
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,199
he said, this is mad. We've never been considered a

662
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,159
war against the United States, and we have no data

663
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,840
on which to base this examination. We can hardly undertake

664
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,639
this job. Just like that. Hitler fired for Elman what

665
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,039
he heard of this and said he never wanted to

666
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:12,559
see him again or speak to him. Hitler sidelined Yodel,

667
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:17,039
and Hitler said, you know what, I'm making myself a

668
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,920
chieve a staff of ok w Hitler said, there's nothing,

669
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,119
he said, there's nothing that like he said, there's nothing

670
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:33,159
like a general, a staff officer, a feld Marshall can

671
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,440
teach an army. What what he can do is he

672
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:44,159
can educate them politically, you know, and he can explain

673
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:50,079
to them what needs to be done by inundating them

674
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:54,360
with an understanding of the stakes they're in. Now again

675
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,199
people turn around to say, like that meglomaniac Hitler, like

676
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,840
he appointed himself chief of okw Well you know what

677
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,159
he did by doing that? Everything that went wrong. Now

678
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:11,159
Hitler could not issue responsibility for okay, from that point forward,

679
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,320
he couldn't blame the generals or the army for sabotaging anything.

680
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,519
Or it seems like the play of a man who

681
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:25,840
was trying to avoid responsibility or take on offices you know,

682
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:31,440
symbolic or or wielding actual authority, you know, for the

683
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:37,280
sake of for the sake of glory. But part of

684
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:43,039
Hitler's rage here, you know, it was against Varlomont. It

685
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,280
was what the hell you're talking about? Like, the whole

686
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,559
reason we're doing this is because America is going to

687
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:53,559
destroy us. You know, we don't survive unless we become

688
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,760
a superpower. You know, we don't survive unless we can

689
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:02,800
compete on at least conditions to parody with the United States,

690
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:13,480
you know, and fortify you know, fortify the Western the

691
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:17,880
Atlantic Wall, and such depth that it's essentially suicide to

692
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,199
assault it, you know, and and sort of force America

693
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:29,599
to accept UH our hegemony over the continent and Central

694
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:33,480
Asia west of the Uralls, just as you know, everybody's

695
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:38,360
every you know, all other all rival sovereign powers are

696
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,360
are you know, must accept Americas to Germany pursua for

697
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:50,119
the them in Roe doctrine. And that was uh, that

698
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:59,960
was Hitler's thinking, you know, it's his exact words. It's

699
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:04,519
were this little, this little affair of operational command is

700
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,760
really something anybody can do. The commander in chief's job

701
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,079
is to train the army in the national socialist idea,

702
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:11,960
and I know of no general who could do that.

703
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,679
Is I want it done. For that reason, I've taken it.

704
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:23,239
I've taken command of the army myself. The European winner

705
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,079
of nineteen forty one. In the forty two was, uh

706
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:32,960
was the coldest the twentieth century. There's rarely temperatures of

707
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:40,440
forty nine below fahrenheit, just just horrible conditions to fight.

708
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,840
And you know, but again it's the UH. Germany was

709
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,599
racing the clock, you know, it wasn't just Stalin planned

710
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:55,079
to assault the German Reich. Absolutely, but even with that

711
00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:01,199
not the case, you know, Germany had to survive. Germany

712
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,840
had to they had to win in the East before

713
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:13,079
America was able to was able to accomplish full mobilization.

714
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,960
And the Rainbow five document, which was leaked, you know,

715
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:22,159
for years, it was blamed on poor hap Arnold deliberately

716
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,599
I believe, by intelligencelement the United States. But but the

717
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,360
entire league in the Rainbow five document was to convince

718
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Berlin and specifically Hitler, that America could reach full mobilization

719
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:43,079
potential and deploy in both the Pacific and the European

720
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,719
battle theater. You know, with the they basically pushed it back,

721
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:51,519
push it forward a year in in in you know,

722
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:56,360
control was actually possible, you know, and Hitler saw the

723
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:03,920
writing on the wall, and that's why it's laughable. And

724
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,960
you know, I mean it raised this again because we're

725
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,480
talking about like the real Hitler here and and his

726
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,519
ambitions as well as his character is warlord. But there's

727
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,360
this idea that you know, Hitler declared war in the

728
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,000
United States for no reason or because he was a

729
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:27,639
crazy man, or because he wanted he wanted to quote

730
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:32,039
distract people from the looming failure in the East, which

731
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,840
makes no sense whatsoever. But it's you know, I the

732
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,199
United State has already declared war on Germany. The fact

733
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,559
though on December eleven, or I'm on September eleventh, another

734
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:46,119
US September eleventh, ninety forty one, when you know, the

735
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:48,920
Department of the part the War Department declared that any

736
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:54,280
any German flagship UH in the North Atlantic encountered by

737
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:01,840
American vessels will be destroyed, you know. So that's that's

738
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,320
in strategic terms and political terms, all this, I mean,

739
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:19,599
all this coalesces into you know, an inevitability that you know,

740
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,159
an American global superpower means that Germany parishes and Germany

741
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,320
is Europe, and Europe is Germany, and power political terms

742
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,599
such that we're I sent in the twentieth century, you know.

743
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,480
And that's that's another thing too. And we'll get into

744
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,360
this as as we get into some of the second book.

745
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:48,599
This some of the substance stuff in the second book Hitler.

746
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:52,400
Hitler viewed the Soviet Union. It's kind of a Frankenstein's monster,

747
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,639
where there was this revolutionary cadre piloting the proverbial head

748
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:07,440
that without that kind of firm control on the other

749
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:12,320
machinery of that monstrous head, you know, the entire the

750
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,719
entire set of Golam just just it collapses, you know,

751
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:23,719
or perhaps it's hijacked by you know, socialist nationalists, Russian

752
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:31,480
elements obviously, you know, like like mister Yaki predicted as well.

753
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,239
But that doesn't m But you know, the nascity globalism,

754
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:40,440
which everybody understood, is what underlay the Second World War

755
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:46,119
and power political developments both preceding it and intrinsic to

756
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:52,239
the conflict itself. Everybody realized that, you know, the the

757
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,039
advantage in terms of what would structure like what system

758
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:59,039
would structure the planet, like went to America. You know

759
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:03,039
what the Union had going for it was military, you know,

760
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:07,960
so there's that too. And obviously this was you know,

761
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,840
pre atomic age, so that didn't teach into the equation.

762
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,079
But let me see what I'll say. There's something else

763
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:31,800
I think I want to do. Mention. Yeah, well, uh again,

764
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440
I'm sorry, I mean kind of scattershot. I'm still I'm

765
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,320
still not one hundred percent. We'll get into the brass

766
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:45,519
tax of We'll get into the brass tax of. Still,

767
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,639
if he's characterization of Hitler, the Sims book will get

768
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:53,440
directly into some of the Sims claims, and you know,

769
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,199
there will be kind of a a comparative retrospective, you

770
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,800
know on these kinds of soft revisionist views of of

771
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,440
the fear, like what they have in common with you know,

772
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:12,639
in terms of in terms of historical agreement and what

773
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:20,000
they don't. And then maybe, uh, maybe we'll conclude, you

774
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:24,239
know with discussing told a little bit more and you

775
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,159
know kind of like the personal side of Hitler and

776
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,119
how that's been that that's that's been kind of more

777
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:35,239
more addressed, more and more and more mature and sober

778
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,719
way as well, which makes sense because what we're godless

779
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:43,840
feel we're as about anyone feels about a giant historical personage,

780
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,880
it's you know, his personal life such that it exists,

781
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,039
and then given cases, is essential understanding the man. And

782
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,360
that's uh, that's all I got. Like I said, sorry

783
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,360
if I if I wasn't up to snuff. I'm still

784
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:02,920
getting over my last about of a hutod misery.

785
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,159
Speaker 1: No problem at all. Do some quick plugs and uh

786
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:06,920
we'll get out here.

787
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you can find me at uh Thomas seven

788
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,639
seven seven dot com. There's number seven hm s seven

789
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:22,280
seven seven dot com on Twitter at real capital r

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e A O underscore number seven h M A S

791
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,480
seven seven seven subs deck is where like my bread

792
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:37,239
and butter like content is including the pod. It's it's

793
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,440
some real Thomas seven seven seven subse dot com. Those

794
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,519
are the only plugs I got.

795
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,079
Speaker 1: All right until part two? Thank you, Thomas, Yeah, man,

796
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,559
thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the

797
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:55,920
Pecana Show Back from the road, Thomas seven seven seven.

798
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:57,760
Are you doing, Thomas, I'm.

799
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: Going well, man, Yeah it was. It was a very

800
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:05,519
good trip. And West Virginia is a fascinating place and

801
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,840
it's a really it's just really interesting part of the country, man.

802
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,039
And it's still America is so big. There's still like

803
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,159
a lot of there's a lot of differences between places,

804
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,920
you know, on the ground, like at the local level,

805
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,280
and that that was no exception. Like I went to

806
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,239
this guy's Like there's this guy like an antique like

807
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,000
junk shop, and what he looked just like he like

808
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:29,800
he literally just looked like some a horder like sitting

809
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,159
in a garage or the things like what he was

810
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,199
he was like selling the shitty hordes. And uh, there

811
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,320
was some like fascinating stuff there, some of which was

812
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,559
like not remotely politically correct.

813
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,079
Speaker 1: There when you get to the South. When you get

814
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:48,679
to the South, you can find a lot of places

815
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:48,960
like that.

816
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,159
Speaker 2: Well fastating Like Buddy Damon, who was from a shy town,

817
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,039
he uh he found this. Uh he found this menu

818
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,199
from a Picaninnies rest runs. Uh. It's like a it

819
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,159
was on like a you know, like it was like

820
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:05,599
it was like a menu that's like also like a

821
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,280
mask you know, in in front of your face, like

822
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,159
uh the right player leading correct defection of uh I

823
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:11,920
guess a pick and then eat and then like we

824
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,639
look at the back and it was uh it was

825
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,440
it was from a freaking location that was on like

826
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:17,960
West Madison in Chicago, like back in the day. I'm like, wow,

827
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,639
it's wild. But uh yeah, all that all that kind

828
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,119
of stuff that people, I guess, I kind of stuff

829
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,440
that makes like redditors like soil their painties with like

830
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:28,199
outrage and shock or something like whoa, just whoa this

831
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,519
used to exist Like uh but that I mean, you

832
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:36,760
find some pretty weird shit like here, you know in Chicago,

833
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,119
like that d DR helmet that's like an original like

834
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,320
Volks PULITZI like M fifty six helmet I totally I

835
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,320
found this like random antique shop and there's this old

836
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,119
lady's like, oh that's my husband stuff. It's give me

837
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,320
like thirty dollars for it, So like yeah, bet, but

838
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,920
but I mean, you know, it's like I saw it's

839
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,239
like weird in an entirely different way. And but we

840
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,159
went to this like really good barecue place. Like my

841
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,320
guts weren't bringing means it's got a pepsi but uh,

842
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,519
it was just it was literally like these two trailers

843
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,760
and like this guy, uh, this like boss hog looking

844
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,320
guy like working at grill and like uh and then yeah,

845
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,119
like a couple of like picnic tables. It's like an

846
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:17,159
eating area and like it's like this is fucking nuts.

847
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:20,119
You know. I cash only of course. So yeah, uh,

848
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,159
like Rustic America lives on at least in West Virginia's

849
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:27,679
that's good to see. Man. I spend so much time

850
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,400
in like big cities, you know, I uh and and

851
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:35,599
being like in places you know, like Baltimore suburbs like

852
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,360
DC or it's like damn, man, like's everything been like

853
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,400
homogenized into into a big like Walmart. So it's it's

854
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,000
good to see that ship. Yeah, yeah, it was good.

855
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up in the city and now living where

856
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:50,760
I live. It's when I go to the city now

857
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,920
that I'm like, what the hell's going on here? I

858
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,760
don't really know. I want to go Yeah, I want

859
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,719
to go back to the country.

860
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:00,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the country is dope. But I'm a Slickers,

861
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:05,440
so like I can't permanently leave. I like, uh, I

862
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,840
can only survive like in this ecology or something like

863
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,159
I don't know, like too much wholesomeness and clean air.

864
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:12,039
It might like kill me.

865
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: But all right, man, Part two.

866
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I something I think I need to emphasize. And

867
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,559
like I said, like the reason I discussed primarily the

868
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:30,880
Sims biography of Hitler from twenty seventeen last time, when

869
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,559
I said Roosevelt was Hitler's primary was Hitler's mortal enemy.

870
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,280
Like people must understand what I'm saying. That's not you know,

871
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,599
people kind of accept mainstream narratives. They're like, oh, yeah,

872
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,760
you know Hitler was anti American. No no, no, no,

873
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:47,400
that's not what I'm saying. And it's not Hitler didn't

874
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,199
cove it. I mean, Hillar definitely was practicing like Velt's

875
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:54,320
politique and uh like gross wrong politique. But I mean

876
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:57,920
this idea like oh, hilar had American sites on ground

877
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000
to some ambition for you know, like like world domination.

878
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,920
That's ridiculous too, I mean for no other reason. I

879
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,119
mean ridigulous conceptually. But Germany. Germany is a country. It's

880
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,880
smaller than Wyoming, Okay, I mean it's just not. And finally,

881
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:17,400
you know, like I said in one of our earlier series,

882
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:20,719
I cited Hannah Rent it was an interesting thinker for

883
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,880
a few reasons, but one of uh in her book

884
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,639
The Origin of Sutalitarianism, which is a stupid title because

885
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:34,280
that sounds like just some kind of boiler plate you know,

886
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,639
kind of like dummy academia type work product of the

887
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,239
kind that came out of the era. But it's actually

888
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,880
a really insightful book. And you know, she was an

889
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,840
actolte a heigha girl. It may have been like a

890
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,639
romantic partner of his, but you know, she's not making

891
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,760
the point that like Hitler wasn't a nationalist and then

892
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,039
like German nationalism was dead, you know, and the you

893
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,400
don't understand national socialism and you don't understand the move

894
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,840
Hitler was making if you don't understand that he was

895
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,159
thinking in terms of like the superpower age, you know,

896
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:09,679
and to survive, Europe had to be able to capture

897
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,400
you know, the land and racesources that it needed in

898
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,639
order to in order to mobilize into into a superpower.

899
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,840
You know, like the future belonged to the United States

900
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:28,039
and the Soviet Union and and their respective ideology, because

901
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:32,440
unless Europe could find a way to survive. And also,

902
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:38,960
you know, Roosevelt was Roosevelt due to Hitler as his

903
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,000
as his adversary. You know, the New Deal regime, it

904
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,679
was a revolutionary regime in all kinds of ways in

905
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,719
terms of its values and underlying philosophies, but it base

906
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:56,400
also the framework for globalism, at least conceptually, was being

907
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:59,960
laid by the ideologies of the day, and the New

908
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,599
Deal was no exception. And if another reason, you know,

909
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:06,480
like we've told we haven't really talked about this here,

910
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:09,840
and it's it's outside the scope. But like the Great Depression,

911
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,760
I I don't think it's mysterious. I mean, I think,

912
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,320
like I've said before, like Murray Rothbard's book on it,

913
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,559
I think it's the best treatment. And Joseph Schumpeter his

914
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,000
his his, his magnum opus business cycles was the huge undertaking.

915
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:28,920
It's like two volumes. It's incredibly complicated, but that kind

916
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:34,119
of explains over time how such things can occur at scale.

917
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:36,440
But I mean it was basically a cash drout and

918
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,840
it owed the absence of an integrated banking structure. Okay,

919
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,360
I don't want to get a debate about like whether

920
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,920
banking is evil or not, like the guys say, like

921
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,639
banking on their brain or like cockroaches, like they'll infest

922
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,199
like a discussion and then they won't shut the fuck

923
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,400
up because they think bankers pissing their corn flakes. I

924
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,599
don't want to talk about that. But what's what's what's

925
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:02,039
inarguable though, is that, however you fall on the issue

926
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:05,719
of you know, fiat currency in that entirere kind of

927
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:11,480
category of of economics, you know, like like finance economics

928
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,159
and monetary economics, it was clear that you know, not

929
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,119
just for not not just not just owing to you know,

930
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,599
conceptual and political reasons, but for structural reasons, you know,

931
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:24,719
like globalism was was going to take shape somehow, so

932
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,920
you're you're going to become a superpower or die. And

933
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:36,360
you know, Roosevelt obviously owing to an affinity for the

934
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,760
Soviet Union, but also viewing doing Europe as as as

935
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,039
basically America's like primary adversary. I mean that that's perverse

936
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,920
for a lot of reasons, but within the kind of

937
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,679
internal logic of of like the New Deal ideology, I mean,

938
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:57,280
it makes sense. All Right, I'm gonna started. I want

939
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,719
to talk a little bit about Hitler's December eleventh speech

940
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,840
to the I mentioned that before. It's tremendously important. Okay,

941
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:07,800
for a long time. We're gonna talk about that. We're

942
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:13,719
gonna talk about Roosevelt's radio address in nineteen thirty eight,

943
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,760
which was a direct challenge to Hitler, and then Hitler

944
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:24,159
surprised everybody Hitler. Hitler directly responded to Roosevelt point by point,

945
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,320
and the consensus was that he utterly destroyed him and

946
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,480
like made him look like a fool. And the thing

947
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,800
about Hitler was that Hitler wasn't a normal politician. He

948
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,199
wrote all his own speeches, he didn't have speech writers,

949
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,960
despite the fact that he kind of founded the modern

950
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,559
political campaign. Like, Hitler wasn't going around taking public opinion

951
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:50,119
polls and like worrying about optics. You know, he put

952
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:56,519
a premium on presentation and elon and a certain esthetic

953
01:07:57,559 --> 01:07:59,599
you know that would obviously animate people and kind of

954
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,400
stir their passions. But in terms of the content of

955
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:07,599
what he'd say, he he was basically like he was

956
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:11,679
behaving like some kind of evangelical preacher almost you know.

957
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,880
Everything came back to like the European cause and like

958
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,560
the Natil Socials revolution, and these are ambitions. You know,

959
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,399
this is what we have to do. You know, this

960
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,439
is this is this, this can't be compromised. You know,

961
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,680
these are the core principles, you know, like it was

962
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,159
never Oh I'm talking. I'm talking you know, the German

963
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:27,199
labor front, you know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend

964
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:28,920
to be a worker or like you know now I'm

965
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,960
talking to the I'm talking to you know, men who

966
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,199
represent the textiles industry. So I'm gonna pretend you know

967
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:35,359
that they're gonna get subsidies if they beck me and

968
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,279
you know, put money in the calls like ship like

969
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:41,760
that didn't even figure into the equation. Okay, Roosevelt, I

970
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,439
think thought Hitler was was a politician. I don't think

971
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,239
I don't think Roosevelt had a real interest in the

972
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,399
rest of the world, you know, like he was worldly

973
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,319
in the way that like the kind of the the

974
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,600
old like Brahmin cast here was. But he you know,

975
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,720
it's like Hitler was a polymath until his until Hitler's

976
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,800
i'd say, before night and forty, you know, when hilar

977
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,039
really started deteriorating in terms of his health and everything.

978
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,319
Hitler didn't do anything all day but consumed data, you know,

979
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,199
like out of gunch famously related. He's like, you know,

980
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:17,159
during during OKW briefings, like somebody would misstate the caliber

981
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,960
of like an artillery piece, or like the specs of

982
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,760
like an armored vehicle, and Hiller would correct him, and

983
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,560
then like somebody would go check you know, in the

984
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,600
in the in the in the tech manual and realize

985
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,399
like Hitler was right, you know, like he he was

986
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,840
he was uh so, I mean Hitler he had a

987
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,680
weird rep for being, you know, a rep for being

988
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,359
a weird bohemian who like slept late and stayed up

989
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,039
late and had weird habits, which he did. But during

990
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:47,319
his waking hours, everything Roosevelt said publicly Hitler paid attention

991
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,680
to and took seriously, like everything Churchill said publicly, like

992
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,600
everything that Soviet Union was doing. You know, he was

993
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,560
studying it, you know, like he was, that's all he did.

994
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:01,199
You know. So this idea that Roosevelt of like grandstanding

995
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,000
and and he issued this kind of like dummy polemic

996
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,279
you know about you know, Hitler being a threat to

997
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:11,000
world peak something in that like that would just be

998
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:15,800
allowed to stand, Like that's that's laughable. But we're gonna

999
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,279
go backwards it bit because like I said, I think

1000
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:19,960
the starting point should be the Reichstek speech, because people

1001
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,920
don't understand why. First of all, that the Reichstek speech,

1002
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,600
it was never translated in English and full until the

1003
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,800
nineteen eighties. Sometimes like the New York Times ran a

1004
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,039
fake translation like full of Hitler saying crazy things like

1005
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:36,239
about he wanted to conquer the world and full of

1006
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:40,079
this kind of like vitrol against Jews and stuff. That's

1007
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:44,359
not what was said. And I came across the full

1008
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,720
like accurate translation and it was a dude for historical

1009
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,119
review stuff sometime in the nineties. But you know it's something,

1010
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:59,199
uh it's not. I mean, the speech was. It was

1011
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:00,840
significant for a few reasons. First of all, it was

1012
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,520
Hitler announced that we were up formingly at war with

1013
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,199
the United States as my declaration of war. And despite

1014
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:09,239
what people claim, you know, like I said before, America

1015
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,840
was waging war on the Third Reich for years, and

1016
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,640
then three months previously, the US Naval Commanded declared that

1017
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,760
they were gonna they were gonna fire on any any

1018
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,359
German flag ship they encountered, and then North Atlantic and

1019
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,199
then and then and then it was also declared that

1020
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:29,520
America's the contiguous zone to America's territorial waters was considered

1021
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:35,720
to be our essential defensive concord stretched from stretch all

1022
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,119
the way to Greenland and and and uh so, I

1023
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:42,079
mean it was just basically like America said, like anything

1024
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:43,960
in the Atlantic Ocean with the German flag, we're going

1025
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,720
to kill. Okay, you know, you don't get to turn

1026
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,640
around and then say like, oh, the Germans are making

1027
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,760
war on us. But so there was that. And also

1028
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:59,000
it's interesting because you know Hitler. Hitler fought American infantry,

1029
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:01,760
and like I said in the Sims book, he talked

1030
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,840
about how like the Americans are better than us, and

1031
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,279
Key weighs, Yeah, he wasn't some like dummy chauvinists at all,

1032
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:12,960
and he said, you know, he he was big into Americana.

1033
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:15,680
He loved King Kong, he love Coca Cola. He read

1034
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,119
Western books all the time, like well history as well

1035
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,319
as like Pulps. When he was a kid. I mean,

1036
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:22,840
he he knew America and like what it was about.

1037
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,800
You know. So this idea that he he just had

1038
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,520
some kind of like haughty disdain or that he was

1039
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,920
like some some hick from the sticks who didn't understand

1040
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,880
power political scale is ridiculous. But it's also too you know.

1041
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:44,319
The Wilson's intervention is what really changed the war. And

1042
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:47,239
it wasn't just mean I mean, they changed the outcome

1043
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:48,880
of the war, you know. So, I mean, any any

1044
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,439
American president was going to loom large in the mind

1045
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,640
of you know, a guy served as as a as

1046
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,920
a frontline Lonzo, even if he wasn't you know, politically

1047
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,600
engaged you a littlee the man who's you know, entur

1048
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,239
of life as politics. So there was a couple of

1049
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:11,319
key there's a couple the Speech of the Rights today again,

1050
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,560
it was Thursday. It was over a Thursday afternoon, December eleventh,

1051
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,479
nineteen forty one, four days after the Japanese assault in

1052
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,279
Pear Harvard. Obviously it was an eighty eight minute speech,

1053
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:28,000
which for Hitler was long. It uh, he'd written in himself,

1054
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:34,560
as he wrote everything himself. He explicated, he explicated why

1055
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,319
the state of the status of forces in in on

1056
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:43,920
the os Front, you know, which by then, um, the

1057
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,800
assault on Moscow was in the process of failing, so,

1058
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,560
I mean, a crisis was looming. So Hitler emphasized, you know,

1059
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,520
the the victories to that point, I mean, which were massive,

1060
01:13:56,399 --> 01:14:02,439
you know, But mainly he talks about America, you know,

1061
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,000
like he doesn't he doesn't mention Stalin at all. He

1062
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:09,760
talks about the Soviet Union and how the Soviets, the

1063
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,159
Soviets acted in bad faith. He's like, we signed a

1064
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:15,279
non aggression packed because you know, we had no illusions

1065
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:17,880
that the Bolsheviks are our mortal enemies. But he said,

1066
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,199
we believe that they wanted peace, at least for the

1067
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:22,920
time being. He says that when it became clear to me,

1068
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,640
he said, it became clear to me that their attentions

1069
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:34,159
were were were a hostile when they when they immediately

1070
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:39,520
opened up diplomatic channels with the coup in Yugoslavia ninety

1071
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,479
forty one, which Yugoslavia was key to Jeremy's ability to

1072
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,880
deploy in depth obviously, and the coup was a was

1073
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,680
it was for all frederical purposes with a Chetnik coup, okay,

1074
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,119
you know. And Hitler said subsequently, you know, the Red

1075
01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:59,880
Army is deployed offensively on our frontier. He said, only

1076
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,199
a full wouldn't realize the implications of you know, twenty

1077
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:10,079
thousand tanks and you know, dozens of divisions, you know,

1078
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,520
a raid on the eastern frontier. I mean, so he

1079
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,720
said that war was forced on us. But you know,

1080
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,720
there's an inevitability to this paradigm. Anyway. He talks about

1081
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,760
Churchill as being kind of just like a pathetic cipher

1082
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,760
of of the focus, which he was. But the rest

1083
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,720
of it, he talks about Roosevelt, and he talks about America.

1084
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,119
You know, that's what the bulk of the speech is

1085
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:38,279
dedicated to. You know, like while again German forces are

1086
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:44,760
actively engaged at the gates of Moscow and across you know,

1087
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,399
a two thousand mile front, you know, literally the greatest

1088
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,319
battle in human history. And Hitler's talking about Roosevelt in America,

1089
01:15:54,239 --> 01:16:00,199
you know, not and that that's apropos, you know, he

1090
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:07,039
he basically outlined he well, first he starts out as saying, like,

1091
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:09,520
you know, look, he was like, we made repeated peace

1092
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:17,800
overtures to London, one of the last of which actually

1093
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,640
divided the war cabinet and almost cost uh, you know,

1094
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:31,159
the Churchill and government. It's mandate. Quoting Hilary says already

1095
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,199
in nineteen forty, it became increasingly clear from month to

1096
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:34,760
month of the plans of the men in the Kremlin

1097
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,800
were aimed to the domination and the destruction of all

1098
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,319
of Europe. I already told the nation that building a

1099
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:42,439
Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period

1100
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,000
when Germany he had only a few divisions in the

1101
01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:49,199
provinces bording Soviet Russia. That's true, continuing, only a blind

1102
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:51,039
person could fail to see that the military build up

1103
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:53,880
a unique world historyld dimensions is being carried out. This

1104
01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:56,079
is not in order to protect something that's being threatened,

1105
01:16:56,359 --> 01:16:59,239
but rather only to attack that which was incapable of defense.

1106
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:04,199
Because people in this country to this day, I have

1107
01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:08,399
this idea of Germany as being this kind of you know,

1108
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,279
almost almost this kind of I think they advanaged, almost

1109
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:13,920
like the Soviet Union is presented in Rocky for or something.

1110
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,640
But again Germany was this it's a country smaller than Wyoming,

1111
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:28,880
you know, and for context too, and Hiller gets into

1112
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,119
some of this. I'm not going to read a word

1113
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,079
for works, it would be pedantic. But you know, the

1114
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:36,439
issue of Czechoslovakia, as we got into in one of

1115
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,319
our earlier series, Czechoslovakia was the most artificial of states.

1116
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:48,239
Bene's literally had no mandate to rule. Roosevelt and his

1117
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:54,479
press corps presented it when very rapidly the bulk of

1118
01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:00,359
a Czechoslovak territory came under German dominion. As I'm sort

1119
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:03,880
of like threatening Ledgard Maine, you know, leading like the

1120
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,039
kind of bullying occupation of a sovereign country. That's not

1121
01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:10,800
remotely what happened. Her contexts to Prague is as the

1122
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,840
girl flies two hundred and two hundred miles from Berlin.

1123
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,279
I mean, think about that. I think it was uh,

1124
01:18:20,279 --> 01:18:22,399
I think it might have been a hass he said.

1125
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,880
The Jigo Slovak state is a contrivance and it literally

1126
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:29,560
is like a knife like pointed at the heart of Germany,

1127
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,720
which is true. It came into existence through the French

1128
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:38,239
needed some sort of ally in the east in in

1129
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:47,920
order to stage you know, assault operations from and in

1130
01:18:48,039 --> 01:18:51,840
the in the era of military aviation which was then

1131
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,880
burgening at pace. Like the implications were obvious, okay, but

1132
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:02,680
because it may like, as we discussed, the Sudton Land

1133
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,039
was ceded to the Reich, which was overwhelmingly German. After that,

1134
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:14,560
Father Tiso and uh, the Slovax seceded from the Czechoslovakian Union.

1135
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:18,000
I mean at that point it was a foregrong conclusion.

1136
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:20,840
Like what I mean, that's like saying that's like saying

1137
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,000
like East Germany should have Like it was a tragedy

1138
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:24,960
that East Germany ceased to exist. I mean, like I

1139
01:19:26,079 --> 01:19:29,079
what I still this day, I don't understand, Like what

1140
01:19:29,359 --> 01:19:35,079
the proposed alternative was it should they should the British

1141
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:38,520
have assaulted Czechoslovakia to force it to exist, Like I don't.

1142
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:44,279
That's not that's not how political realities work. It's it's

1143
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:53,279
literally asinine. But moving on, Hitler continues by saying he

1144
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:59,600
essentially says what Suberov echoed later, that the rapid conclusion

1145
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,520
of the war in the West, you know, May to

1146
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,800
June nineteen forty, meant that that that changed things in

1147
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:12,560
terms of you know, Moscow strategic perspective, they couldn't count

1148
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,000
on They counted on the They counted on the right

1149
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:19,640
either exhausting its offensive capabilities rapidly and not being able

1150
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,520
to reconstitute, you know, for for months, if not years,

1151
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:29,199
or some sort of quagmi or stalemate setting in you

1152
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:35,239
know whereby whereby the only where where where by? Germany

1153
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:38,880
had nothing to deploy in depth in the East other

1154
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,560
than uh, you know, maybe like a skeleton prove of conscripts,

1155
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:45,600
which would make for you know, easy pickings the you know,

1156
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:52,600
thus super Raw's icebreaker descript or you know, let the

1157
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,880
let's let the German rike, you know, break the proverbial

1158
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,399
ice of what remains of capitalist power in the continent,

1159
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,079
you know, and then the Red Army will assault and

1160
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:05,199
take it all. And that stuff that reached the Atlantic

1161
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,319
mostly again to me, are some what Hitler says about

1162
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,880
his worldview. I'm quoting Hiller now. At about the midpoint,

1163
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,159
he says, what is Europe? There is no geographical definition

1164
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:24,960
of her continent, but only an ethnic national the word

1165
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,079
he uses vocalish and cultural one. The frontier this continent

1166
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,039
is not that rural mountains, but rather rather the line

1167
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:34,000
that divides the western outlook on Lighte from that to

1168
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:40,399
the east. Now, if you look at a map, and

1169
01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:43,039
I don't know if people spend time with maps anymore,

1170
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:49,920
I mean, just looking at maps, Europe's an indefensible rump peninsula.

1171
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,720
You know, it's not there's not a Sahara desert or

1172
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:58,760
an Appalachian mountain range between Europe and the other. It's

1173
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:03,840
somewhat amazing that Europe existed at all, you know, really,

1174
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,880
and it's it's essentially starret of natural resources. You know,

1175
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:12,680
Europe's very beautiful in terms of its vistas and things,

1176
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,720
but it's basically a wasteland if you're talking about tertiary

1177
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:25,520
economic capital and things like that. Okay, So that points

1178
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,720
while taken, you know, Europe's an idea. You know, Europe's

1179
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,840
not subs are in Africa. Europe's not you know, East Asia.

1180
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,600
Europe's not North America. You know, like Europe only exists

1181
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:40,000
as like it's it's the mentioned material and the several

1182
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:47,199
cultures that constituted Hillarine proceeds to break down his view

1183
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,279
of you know, kind of like European origins or like

1184
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:55,079
Aryan origins. Okay, and again, as I said before, Aryan

1185
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:59,880
wasn't some scare word that's philologists that that was like

1186
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:02,000
what does the term they used? Okay, and it's not.

1187
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:06,199
It's been appropriated by some dummies, but as well as

1188
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,680
you know the usual suspects, you know, like commi's hysterical,

1189
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,479
s poc types, like other other other shit bigs. But

1190
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:15,960
it's not. It's not an idiot. It's not an ideologically

1191
01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:18,600
loaded word. You know, it shouldn't be. And I find

1192
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,880
I find Indo European to be clungy unless you're ill

1193
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:26,640
linguist and you're simply talking about, you know, kind of

1194
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,560
the nuances of linguistic development. We're talking about like an

1195
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:35,399
actual culture of people like Aryan is appropriate. Okay. It

1196
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,319
was stated at one time Europe was confined to the

1197
01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:42,000
Greek Isles with a flame first burned that slowly but

1198
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:45,159
steadily enlightened humanity. And when these Greeks fight against the

1199
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:47,399
invasion of the Persian conquerors, they did not just defend

1200
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,479
their own home, small homeland, which was Greece, but also

1201
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,439
the concept that is now Europe. And then the spirit

1202
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,720
you're shifted from Hellos to Rome. Roman thought and Roman

1203
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,359
state craft combined with Greek spirit and Greek culture. An

1204
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:02,159
empire was raided, the importance and creative power of which

1205
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:04,960
has never been matched, much less surpassed, even to this day.

1206
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,960
And when the Roman legions defended Italy in three terrible

1207
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,800
wars against the attag occurred that Troman Africa and finally

1208
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,560
battled the victory. In this case as well, Romean fought

1209
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,039
fought not just for herself, but also for the Greaco

1210
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:22,079
Roman world that then encompassed Europe. The next invasion against

1211
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:24,039
the home soil of the new culture of humanity came

1212
01:24:24,079 --> 01:24:27,039
from the white expanses of the East. A horrific storm

1213
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:29,039
of culture was horror from the center of Asia, poured

1214
01:24:29,079 --> 01:24:31,960
deep into the heart of the European continent, burning, ravaging

1215
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,159
and murdering a true scourge of God. On the Catalonian fields,

1216
01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:38,680
Roman and Germanic men fought together for the first time

1217
01:24:39,039 --> 01:24:41,439
in a decisive battle of tremendous importance for a culture

1218
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,880
that had begun with the Greeks, passed on to the Romans,

1219
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,640
and then encompassed the Germanic peoples. Europe had matured. The

1220
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,359
occident arose from heuse in Rome and for many centuries

1221
01:24:50,399 --> 01:24:53,319
its defense with the task not only the Romans, but

1222
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,760
above all of the German people. What we call Europe

1223
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,920
is the geographic territory of the Occidans, enlightened by Greek culture,

1224
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:01,920
inspired by the powerful heritage of the Roman Empire. It's

1225
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,079
territory and large by German colonization, or was the German

1226
01:25:05,079 --> 01:25:08,439
efforts fighting back engaged in from the east or on

1227
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,399
the Strut or on the Lechfeld plane or others pushing

1228
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,399
back Africa from Spain or a period of many years.

1229
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,399
It was always a struggle in developing Europe against a

1230
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:20,720
profoundly alien outside world. There's this heavy stuff for uh,

1231
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,159
for for a consler or a president or a prime minister. Okay,

1232
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,840
I mean I I think that goes without saying. And

1233
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,680
it's not it's it's not just it's it's it's not.

1234
01:25:33,239 --> 01:25:36,520
It's not just like hyperbole or can polemic of the

1235
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,920
kind that they you know of that was common to

1236
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:47,840
the nationalist era or whatever. It kind of dismissive suggestion

1237
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:52,399
is favored by cored academics of these days. And also

1238
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,319
what he's saying, what he said was inarguable, like all

1239
01:25:54,359 --> 01:26:01,079
those things are true, you know what. And then and

1240
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:03,279
we'll get to the meat of the kind of Roosevelt

1241
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,199
the challenge countra versalt in a minute, but he goes

1242
01:26:08,279 --> 01:26:11,960
on to say specifically that you know, we're now engaged

1243
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,920
in a war for our civilization against another terror from

1244
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,880
the east. And this is only this is only possible

1245
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,439
owing to the you know, the volunteers from Croatia, from Italy,

1246
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,279
from Spain, you know, from Norway, from Denmark, from France.

1247
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,159
You know, this is a European war. There are no

1248
01:26:25,239 --> 01:26:27,039
more Germans, there are no more Norwegians, there are no

1249
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:29,119
more Frenchmen. You know, this is the battle of the

1250
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:33,359
Oxten and for survival against the Barbarian Asiatic horde. And

1251
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,840
you know, the Jewish capitalist ideology that's facilitating its attack

1252
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:49,600
on us, you know, exemplified by mister Roosevelt. That's and

1253
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,960
he concludes kind of the summation, I like the strategic

1254
01:26:52,039 --> 01:26:57,079
situation by saying, you know, this is what happens on

1255
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:01,960
these battlefields is going to resonate for five thousand years,

1256
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,760
you know, and Europe will not survive unless it's victorious,

1257
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,359
you know, And again I mean that that's an arguable too.

1258
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,159
You know, you don't you don't have to be a

1259
01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:20,560
Hitler partisan to accept that how anybody can kind of

1260
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:28,279
contradict that reality anymore? And you know, kind of Parather

1261
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:33,119
refrains that, you know, Hitler is the double and this

1262
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:39,720
kind of like Life magazine perspective of the condition of

1263
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,479
the occident, you know, the circa nineteen forty one. I

1264
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,239
don't know how people can possibly think that way, but

1265
01:27:44,279 --> 01:27:46,720
I mean people people think all kinds of crazy things.

1266
01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:50,800
And now here's the meat of what we're of. What

1267
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:58,279
I want to emphasize, quote Hitler says, and now let

1268
01:27:58,319 --> 01:28:00,880
me speak about another world when I was represented by

1269
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,439
a man likes to chat nicely at the fireside while

1270
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,319
nations and their soldiers fight in the snow and ice.

1271
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,640
Above all, the man who is primarily responsible for this war,

1272
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,680
speaking of Franklin denwoll Roosevelt. Obviously, it continues with regard

1273
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,079
to German's relationship with America, the following should be said.

1274
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,800
Germany is perhaps the only great power which is never

1275
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,359
in a colony in either North or South America, nor

1276
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,479
is it otherwise been politically active there, Apart from the

1277
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,960
emigration of many millions of Germans with their skills, from

1278
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,239
which the American continents originally the United States has only benefited.

1279
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,159
In the entire history of the development in existence the

1280
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:37,319
United States, the German Reich has never been hostile or

1281
01:28:37,319 --> 01:28:40,560
even politically unfriendly towards the United States. To the contrary,

1282
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,039
many Germans against their lives to defend the USA. That

1283
01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:46,560
is true, The German Reik has never participated in wars

1284
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,039
against the United States, except in the United States went

1285
01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:51,560
to war against it in nineteen seventeen. It did so

1286
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,760
for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by Commission. What

1287
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:00,920
he's talking about is the NI Commission, which we covered

1288
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:07,039
uh in an earlier episode. I can'tnasalize enough how much

1289
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:08,560
World War One was kind of viewed as like the

1290
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,720
Vietnam War of its day. It was viewed as a

1291
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,159
lie that duke the American people, you know, killed one

1292
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:17,920
hundred thousand young men in the prime of their life,

1293
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,640
who were then later abused, you know, by being denied

1294
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:26,520
their their pension rights. Gerald and I I who wasn't.

1295
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,880
He wasn't some like America firster. He was a He

1296
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,880
was a big progressive liberal. He he chaired them, He

1297
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,680
convened the NI Commission, and basically, I mean it basically

1298
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,479
exposed that JP Morgan when it realized that it had

1299
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,840
you know, it's it it it had had been hedged

1300
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,760
adequately in it's in its loans to UH to the UK.

1301
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:53,880
You know, it essentially demanded you know, action from the

1302
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,479
White House when we all lived undo influence to get

1303
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:00,279
a war declaration. You know, like people were outraged by

1304
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,760
when this was coming out. You know, like no nobody

1305
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,960
viewed World War One as anything but a disaster and

1306
01:30:05,039 --> 01:30:09,840
has a big lie. So you know, and Hitler obviously

1307
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:13,680
like like the view of a and and and I

1308
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,640
was shouted down by this coterie of a of a

1309
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,239
of of of all party men saying, you know, you're

1310
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:25,520
smirching them. You know that you're you're smirching the grave

1311
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,600
of of of a President Wilson when he's doing no

1312
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,920
such thing. And honestly, like even Hitler didn't talk about

1313
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,199
Wilson as being a bad man like Wilson, who was

1314
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:35,920
cast as kind of like naive guy. The fourteen points.

1315
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:39,279
Actually it was like the only kind of honorable piece,

1316
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:48,399
uh the situations that that that was presented. You know,

1317
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:52,560
that that honored the rights of combat. It's in any

1318
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,680
real way, you know, it was it was Wilson, who

1319
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,960
basically said that like you know, states have have an

1320
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,319
absolute right to you know, to to preserve them Jordan

1321
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:03,199
natural culture, you know. And it was it was the

1322
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:05,640
French and British delegation who basically laughed in his face

1323
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,079
and and and demanded vengeance, you know, like it was

1324
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:13,159
so I mean, I I wasn't wasn't burning Wilson in

1325
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:16,199
peruvial effigy, and honestly, and Hitler never held out Wilson

1326
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,359
as an evil man like he basically he basically looked

1327
01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:20,720
at him as like a weak man was pulled over

1328
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:26,760
by by high finance and UH and DuPont UH, which

1329
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:31,680
was a which was a huge armaments concern among other things.

1330
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,920
You know, they they made, they manuf, they manufactured UH.

1331
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:42,199
Then they manufactured basically like everything that allowed the af

1332
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:45,680
to fight. You know what we talked about, like this

1333
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,840
is a rare instance of you know, financial financial concerns

1334
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,640
and and economics basically you know, being the being the

1335
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:58,600
approximate cause of of a of a of a war

1336
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,920
declaration or or like intervention at scale. You know. So

1337
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:07,000
it's not like hilar wasn't just saying crazy things. I mean,

1338
01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:10,239
this was basically the majority opinion you know of not

1339
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:14,000
just of of Europeans and and of and of Germans,

1340
01:32:14,119 --> 01:32:16,600
you know, obviously felt like uniquely aggrieved. But I mean

1341
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,000
in America, this is why, this is why people looked

1342
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,680
at it, you know, I mean at this wasn't u

1343
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,359
the fact, I mean honestly, like I think we talked

1344
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:28,760
about it in the New Deal when we're covering the

1345
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,800
New Dealers War and some the time Fleming scholarship. I mean,

1346
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,840
had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack, I

1347
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,840
don't think Rosell could have gotten a war mandate, you know,

1348
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,880
and once under our system, you know when I mean

1349
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,800
even today, even even post Watergate, when the executive has

1350
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:50,960
been gilded. You know, a a wartime president is base

1351
01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:53,960
is for all practical purposes, you know, a lawn to himself.

1352
01:32:54,079 --> 01:32:56,960
I mean like look at look at uh, I mean,

1353
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,000
look at look at Bush forty three, like I mean

1354
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,520
like he might have been like a goofy and effectual

1355
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,319
guy and whatever, but his his administration wielded real power, Okay,

1356
01:33:05,399 --> 01:33:07,880
and that that only came that only derived from the

1357
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:11,800
fact that he was a wartime president, you know, no

1358
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,039
matter what, like all rhetoric kind of goes out the

1359
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:20,079
window of the of the opposition when when so situated.

1360
01:33:21,359 --> 01:33:24,439
Vietnam is a weird exception, but that that's it's too

1361
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,039
complicated to get into here as a as a tangent.

1362
01:33:28,119 --> 01:33:31,159
But that's I I I raised that because I'm sure

1363
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:34,840
people who aren't familiar with the history will just say, like, oh,

1364
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,880
Hitler's just maligning. You know, of course he's gonna say that.

1365
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:39,680
You know, world War One was based on a lie.

1366
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,720
That's not that wasn't just like Hitler's take, that was

1367
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,680
what everybody viewed it as. And frankly that that's what

1368
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,479
it was. You know, what, why why what? Why did

1369
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,439
America fight World War One? Because it just it just

1370
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,079
really really doesn't like it really doesn't like monarchs and

1371
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,920
like democracy has to reign like so, so we got

1372
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,920
to make sure that the British Empire can squeeze every last,

1373
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:03,840
the real last bit of reparations out of Germany. I mean,

1374
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:10,039
obviously that was his was bullshit, but it's a the uh.

1375
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:17,119
And finally, interestingly, Hiler makes a nottive like the article

1376
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:20,159
to presidency. He says, America's a republic led by a

1377
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,920
president with wide ranging powers of authority. Germany was once

1378
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,920
ruled by a monarchy with limited authority and then by

1379
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,319
bocracy that lacked authority. Today is a republic of wide

1380
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:31,920
ranging authority. Between these two countries is an ocean. If anything,

1381
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,119
the differences between capitalist American Bolshevik Russia, if these have

1382
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:37,560
any meaning at all, must be more significant than those

1383
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,720
between the America led by a president and that Germany

1384
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,800
led by a fear And it's important too because obviously,

1385
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,279
you know the kind of the constant refrain, not just

1386
01:34:45,399 --> 01:34:51,640
of Roosevelt's Roosevelt that is loyalist, but you know administrations

1387
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:58,960
before and since who want to malign people and countries

1388
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,920
they identified as opponent. They were talking about dictatorships. I mean,

1389
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,640
America's a presidential system. Like again, I mean there's there's

1390
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,960
few there's a few countries in the Western world or

1391
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000
what or what was once the Western world that have

1392
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:18,239
a system that orbits around the chief executive to the

1393
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:20,239
degree that America is. Okay, So there was there was

1394
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:22,319
something of a of a weird irony to America going

1395
01:35:22,359 --> 01:35:25,439
around saying, you know, mister Putin is a dictator, like

1396
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,800
you know, this country is a dictatorship. You know, it's

1397
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,840
like what as opposed to what like you, they should

1398
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,880
have They should have a House of Commons and a

1399
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,600
prime minister who can be ejected by no confidence vote.

1400
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,600
I mean you you know, I mean it's uh, the

1401
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:44,399
America is the the land of the sovereign executive, you know.

1402
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,279
I mean that was that really is the legacy of

1403
01:35:47,319 --> 01:35:52,279
Hamilton more than anything, and and to his credit in

1404
01:35:52,359 --> 01:36:01,279
my opinion. But the what's there to think about this too,

1405
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,239
is that the Reichstag speech, I mean it was timely

1406
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:12,359
again because of the strategic situation, but also FDR in

1407
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:16,800
April fourteenth, nineteen thirty nine, it is radio address he

1408
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:25,079
issued this what was called his challenge to Hitler. Okay, now,

1409
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:32,159
the words of it were as follows. Quote. Because the

1410
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,720
United States, as one of the nations of the Western Hemisphere,

1411
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,560
is not involved in the immediate controversies which have arisen

1412
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,840
in Europe, I trust that you be willing to make

1413
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,159
such a statement of policy to me as head of

1414
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,479
a nation farabu from Europe, in order that I, acting

1415
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,039
with only responsibility and obligation of a friendly intermediary, may

1416
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:51,800
communicate such declaration other nation now apprehensive as the course

1417
01:36:53,039 --> 01:36:55,840
which the policy of your government may take. Are you

1418
01:36:56,039 --> 01:36:59,560
willing to give assurance that your forces will not attack

1419
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:12,479
or invade the territory possessions of the following independent nations Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,

1420
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:26,119
the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq,

1421
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:29,039
the Arabias, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran.

1422
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 1: Wow, now that's that's almost comical.

1423
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 2: And there's a at the in the Reichsteg speech. Uh,

1424
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,520
there's some footage of Hitler like reading that list down

1425
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,760
and if hands are like if hands are like a

1426
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:56,239
gearing like laughing likes his hands, you know. But the

1427
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:07,119
U Now let's uh, now, I mean, let's let's uh,

1428
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:11,199
let's let's think about this for a minute. And Roosevelt's

1429
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:14,520
list of countries that Germany was supposedly threatening. Let's let's

1430
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,600
break that down. Finland, the first country on the list,

1431
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,760
was invaded by the Soviet Union seven months later. They

1432
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:27,399
were actually allied with Germany from then on. Okay, the

1433
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:32,840
three Baltic nations mentioned were conquered in nineteen forty by

1434
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:40,039
the Soviet Union. Later, Roosevelt accepted Stalind in corporation of

1435
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:44,600
the Baltic States in the USSR. Poland was assaulted by

1436
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,920
the Soviet Union and by Germany, but the Soviet Union's

1437
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:53,159
assault apparently did but it didn't count. Neither Britain, France,

1438
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:57,319
or the US did anything the counter or the Soviet

1439
01:38:57,319 --> 01:39:02,079
aggression against Poland when this always took complete control of

1440
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:07,119
nineteen forty four, the US had no had no problem

1441
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:11,640
with it. Hitler himself pointed out, Syria and Palestine are

1442
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,199
currently occupied by your ally, the United Kingdom, and you,

1443
01:39:15,359 --> 01:39:19,359
mister Roosevelt, are working tirelessly to facilitate a Zionist conquest

1444
01:39:19,399 --> 01:39:22,319
of Palestine, thus displacing the people or indigenous the region.

1445
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,840
So why why why why? Why? You tell me? I

1446
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:30,000
guess see what fair play for Palestine? So I but

1447
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:37,239
again it's some the uh, this this, this, this earned

1448
01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:40,720
a sharp rejoinder because again I think I think Roosevelt thought,

1449
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:43,319
first of all, I think some of these guys, some

1450
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:46,439
of these like mornout types, that they're actually like high

1451
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,720
on their own bullshit, and they actually believe that when

1452
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,479
they said like Hitler's an idiots or he's like some

1453
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,720
or he's like some like bohemian hill billy you who

1454
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,199
can't read a map, like they these guys were totally outclassed.

1455
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:02,479
You know, it's some like I I think, uh, I

1456
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,880
think really thought this would like the fuddle Hitler or

1457
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:09,600
somehow you know, resonate with uh. You know, people who

1458
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,880
had a lesson sophisticated understanding of power politics. But it

1459
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,039
was clear like he didn't even he didn't even like

1460
01:40:16,119 --> 01:40:18,279
study like who Germany's ops were at that time and

1461
01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:20,199
like who they were kind of like integrated with, you know,

1462
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:26,920
politically and diplomatically, and you know, one of the in

1463
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,840
the case again a palace and in the Arab States,

1464
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,439
the as I made the point before about guys like

1465
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,159
von Leers and by the propaganda ministry generally, like these

1466
01:40:35,159 --> 01:40:38,239
guys were actually broadcasting like Arab language broadcast to try

1467
01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:40,079
and court like the Arabs, Like I mean, a lot

1468
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:41,520
of the reason why they were doing it was, you know,

1469
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,640
a to agitate against the United Kingdom. But the point

1470
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,079
is it's like it's like where the hell you pull

1471
01:40:47,079 --> 01:40:48,720
this list out of? Like I don't know but it

1472
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:55,159
but like again I think, uh, these guys didn't these

1473
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:58,199
guys didn't they they weren't up on you know the

1474
01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:00,840
character of Hitler and kind of what he was, what

1475
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:06,399
his tendencies were, you know, so he uh so Hitler. Uh.

1476
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:14,920
Two weeks later, Hitler issued a director rebuttal point by

1477
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:21,600
point anyway, and he broadcasted over the radio and uh

1478
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:28,159
even Gerald and I again, uh who he said that,

1479
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,399
you know, the president really took it on the chin.

1480
01:41:32,039 --> 01:41:36,159
You know, the consensus was that like uh was that

1481
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,960
you know, worldso women handily smacked it down. And again too.

1482
01:41:41,039 --> 01:41:45,000
It's also the this was you know, the generation after

1483
01:41:45,039 --> 01:41:47,560
you know, the Great White Fleet, you know, Teddy Roosevelt

1484
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,039
and scent the US Navy on its world literally its

1485
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:55,600
world tour. You know, you had you know, you had,

1486
01:41:55,720 --> 01:42:02,199
uh America just you know a few your subsequent to

1487
01:42:02,279 --> 01:42:05,359
that effort, you know, had deployed at scale the Europe

1488
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,960
you know, to literally change the course of World War One.

1489
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,359
You know, America was engaged in Asia. You know, he

1490
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:15,840
was engaged in you know, the the Banana Wars. The

1491
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:20,399
kind of sway what remained of of Iberian influence in

1492
01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:24,520
in in Central and South America, you know, and again

1493
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:28,319
Germany we're talking about We're talking about Germany smaller than Wyoming.

1494
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,399
You know, So this now what's gonna lecture us about,

1495
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,520
you know, like belligerents, you know, and and what uh

1496
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:40,920
and what constitutes acceptable application of force in the course

1497
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:47,159
of uh of power, political ambitions and realities you know

1498
01:42:47,279 --> 01:42:55,119
the uh So I don't, but it's I I made

1499
01:42:55,159 --> 01:42:57,520
this point too because I again I think John Tolan

1500
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:03,479
made the point. I mean I realized hooland Tolan was

1501
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,760
certainly hostile the New Dealer perspective. You know, Toland was

1502
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,159
a true revisionist. He went with like the facts took him.

1503
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:14,319
But he wasn't he wasn't any kind of national Socialist

1504
01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:16,319
or Hitler parties. I mean, he was just a rebalanced

1505
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:23,039
uh you know, scholar. But he his take was his

1506
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:26,880
take was that Roosevelt Roosevelt's you know, whole challenge of

1507
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,119
Hitler was basically a publicity stunt. Obviously it was not

1508
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:33,960
a serious initiative for peace. But you know, by that time,

1509
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,199
you know, the American President's viewed kind of everything they

1510
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:43,279
did as a publicity stunt. You know. In contrast, Hitler

1511
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,800
and to his credit Mussolini. They took seriously what official

1512
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:54,000
statements were from from national capitals. You know, they took, uh,

1513
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,319
they took seriously what the American president said as a

1514
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:04,000
statement of policy. You know, and when Hitler or al

1515
01:44:04,119 --> 01:44:11,079
Duce you know, issued a statement, you could take that

1516
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:13,079
to the bank, like we're gonnass what if you think

1517
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:16,520
of the merit of you know, what policy was within

1518
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,640
the bound rationality of their strategic ambitions. You know, they

1519
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,239
they weren't, they weren't on publicity tours. They weren't saying

1520
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:27,000
things to kind of you know, spoof public opinion, you know,

1521
01:44:27,239 --> 01:44:31,399
and that's that's something that's got to be acknowledged, like

1522
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:38,920
I and like I said too, like imagine even even

1523
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:42,640
in the nineteenth century or even in uh, even in

1524
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,840
arguably kind of the most uh, even the most kind

1525
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,840
of populist era in Europe, you know, after the excesses

1526
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,399
of eighteen forty eight then kind of quashed, but you know,

1527
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:58,560
there's still there's still remained kind of the the still

1528
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,319
they're still kind of remained a the sensibility of you know,

1529
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:05,960
the the Third of State having final say it was

1530
01:45:06,359 --> 01:45:10,760
it's pretty it's pretty remarkable for you know, not just

1531
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,640
the rights consular, but any chief executive to publicly address

1532
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:19,239
the legislature and say, look, here's the military situation. Here's

1533
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:21,920
why I give the orders I did. These are a losses.

1534
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,079
You know, these are what we need to reconstitute in

1535
01:45:25,159 --> 01:45:27,640
order to win. You know, this is my political vision

1536
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:29,880
for the future, and this is my view of you know,

1537
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,399
these men who positioned themselves our enemies. I mean, it's

1538
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:40,760
just not that's a level of engagement and transparency that

1539
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:45,119
I don't really think exists. One of the reasons that

1540
01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:48,159
like Putin and Putin is no Adolf Hitler, I don't

1541
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:51,119
even particularly, I don't. I don't think it's the best

1542
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:56,840
man for Russia. I think it's unfortunately for the Rusian people.

1543
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,640
He's not a better man who can rise the occasion

1544
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,279
for all kinds of reasons. But it will see about Putin, know,

1545
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:06,800
is that I think he is basically transparent. You know,

1546
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,600
you'd be hard for us to find a statement he's

1547
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,640
made on high politics, you know, war and peace questions

1548
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:19,800
that isn't exactly what you know intended policy was. So

1549
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:25,640
there's that too, Like I don't there's this, uh, I mean, uh,

1550
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:31,239
there's all kinds of like weird mythologies about about chief

1551
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:36,239
executives the states that America's fought in these twentieth century

1552
01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:39,439
wars and there, and they're alleged bad character or whatever.

1553
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,359
But there's does this kind of does this ongoing like

1554
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,560
mythology that like, oh, Hitler was this liar and he

1555
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,359
was always resting like this this alledgered main Like it's

1556
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:51,520
really not true, you know. I mean, I think the

1557
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:57,319
Big U Czechoslovakia, you know, Munich in thirty eight and

1558
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,880
Barbarossa being those know, a sneak attack and violation of

1559
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,000
the not Aggression Pact. I guess said the kind of

1560
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:11,199
big points of contention for people who insist on that viewpoint.

1561
01:47:11,319 --> 01:47:18,640
But again, I if I'll treat you law as permissive

1562
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:23,479
not compulsory, because it can't be because it's impossible. If

1563
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,640
the party to a treaty is acting in bad faith

1564
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,600
and in the case of an impact, he intends to

1565
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:35,039
attack you and is mobilizing for that purpose, You're not

1566
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:38,520
under some moral obligation to wait to be assaulted, you know.

1567
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,239
I mean that's like saying I that's like saying, my

1568
01:47:41,279 --> 01:47:42,880
man has to kill me, I've got to wait until

1569
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,159
he draws on me and fires. Otherwise I'm a bad

1570
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:50,000
actor for preemptively shooting him. I mean, it doesn't. This

1571
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:54,560
is not the way things work. And you know, I

1572
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,319
mean aside from that, if if if you take the

1573
01:47:57,359 --> 01:47:59,600
side of the Soviet Union over Europe, I mean, regardless

1574
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:05,840
of the regardless of the merit of Hitler's decisions are

1575
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,359
like thereof you got something wrong with you, you know,

1576
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,920
like you you support your own civilization right or wrong.

1577
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:17,920
And finally in the case of you know, it hits

1578
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:22,880
the Czechoslovakia again, it was uh it uh it was

1579
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,039
there was a there, there was no center there, you know,

1580
01:48:26,239 --> 01:48:32,119
I mean it it rapidly came apart literally once the

1581
01:48:32,199 --> 01:48:34,960
Sugate in Land was ceded to Germany. Like there is

1582
01:48:35,039 --> 01:48:38,279
no Czechoslovakia. It ceased to exist immediately after the inner

1583
01:48:38,319 --> 01:48:41,119
German border came down. I mean, was that was was

1584
01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:44,119
that like a crime against history too? Like should should

1585
01:48:44,119 --> 01:48:48,159
we insist Czechoslovakia exist? I mean, I so there's not,

1586
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:52,520
you know, And that kind of surprised me, man because

1587
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,560
like honestly, I guess just because being more particuarly educated,

1588
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:56,239
but when I think about things that it kind of

1589
01:48:56,279 --> 01:48:58,000
that kind of caused me to like give me pause

1590
01:48:58,039 --> 01:49:03,119
about any positive feelings about Hitler. It's what he did

1591
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:07,199
to his friends on UH in June nineteen thirty four,

1592
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,399
and things like that, you know, I mean I to

1593
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,680
give you plausive a man who's willing to murder his

1594
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,560
friends or political expedience. It was what Hitler did. It

1595
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:18,439
seems to me to say, you know, I'm not I'm

1596
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,039
not I'm not Adolf Hiller, and I'm not a man

1597
01:49:21,079 --> 01:49:26,880
who wheels power over the fortunes of nations. But it's like,

1598
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,800
really like you're you're big, You're you're you're you're big,

1599
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,000
your big, and diamond Hitler's character is that Czechoslovakia seased

1600
01:49:36,039 --> 01:49:38,600
to exist and this it was mean to attack the

1601
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:44,239
Soviet Union like it doesn't it doesn't really track. But anyway,

1602
01:49:44,279 --> 01:49:53,560
I just I thought it important to get UH that

1603
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,000
out there. And during the UH, I want to cover

1604
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:04,600
the UH. I want to cover the the warriors and

1605
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:11,399
what specifically Roosevelt's final term where his mandate was evaporating,

1606
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:13,520
and I think Roosevelt wasn't quite in his that he

1607
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:16,319
didn't have his families about him anymore. And this resonated

1608
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:20,319
very much in the quarters of the third Reich. And

1609
01:50:21,159 --> 01:50:24,199
there's a reason why the July twenty plot happened when

1610
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:26,239
it did. There's a reason why a lot of the

1611
01:50:26,359 --> 01:50:31,279
intrigues within the Reich itself developed as they did. Stalin

1612
01:50:31,399 --> 01:50:35,399
was making decisions looking forward to a future without Roosevelt.

1613
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,119
I mean, Stalin was pretty old himself. Excuse me, it

1614
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:42,000
was pretty old himself at this point. Okay, but I'll

1615
01:50:42,279 --> 01:50:44,560
be very clear in the next episode. But on on

1616
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:48,279
what I mean. But I I I've mentioned before Hitler's

1617
01:50:48,279 --> 01:50:51,720
a sumber eleventh Reich strike speech. I maintain it's it's

1618
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:58,920
critically important as as testimonial evidence in putting together uh

1619
01:51:00,119 --> 01:51:03,640
not just an understanding of the psychology at Hitler as

1620
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:10,439
warlord and as a political actor, but also but also,

1621
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,039
you know, disabusing people of of a conceptual biases they

1622
01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:21,359
have about you know, the the war declaration against the

1623
01:51:21,399 --> 01:51:24,720
United States. It was it was just like some brazen,

1624
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:30,640
crazy act or some sort of attempt at as some

1625
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:34,600
sort of attempt at a gamble or something. But yeah,

1626
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:39,359
that's all I got for today. All Right, that was great.

1627
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 1: Let's do plugs and uh we'll end it.

1628
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Uh, you can always find me at Thomas

1629
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,680
seven seven seven dot com It's number seven h m

1630
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,840
A S seven seven seven dot com and on Twitter

1631
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:05,079
at the real Thomas kepital r a l Underscore number

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01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:10,239
seven hm me is substick Real Thomas seven seven and

1633
01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:16,600
seven substick dot com. I'm on Instagram. I I'm gonna

1634
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,479
be uh. I'm gonna do what I can then in

1635
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,119
the next four weeks to be more productive content wise.

1636
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,359
I was traveling and I my hell isn't been great.

1637
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,720
So there's monkey runs some things, but uh, I think

1638
01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:32,600
I'm gonna try to turn that around A promise.

1639
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: All right until the next episode. Thank you, SAMs. Yeah

1640
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:41,000
man on, Welcome everyone back to the pe Conana Show.

1641
01:52:42,359 --> 01:52:44,720
How are you doing, Thomas, I'm doing well.

1642
01:52:45,079 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for hosting me.

1643
01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:50,279
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I guess we'll take this time to

1644
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:53,239
talk about this uh little project that we started and

1645
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:59,920
just released on on gum Road. We sat through and record,

1646
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:02,840
watched a movie and commented on it last week. I

1647
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,000
think you did an amazing job. Let's talk a little

1648
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:07,840
bit about that. What you what you think people can

1649
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:08,319
get out of this?

1650
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:13,359
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, people have long been requesting that

1651
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,760
there'd be more content relating to movies and things and

1652
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:21,319
U I uh, I yeah, I guess, uh, I guess

1653
01:53:21,359 --> 01:53:24,039
it's kind of our version of Mystery Science Theater three thousand.

1654
01:53:24,119 --> 01:53:26,520
But I'd like to think a little more serious commentary.

1655
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:31,800
But uh yeah, man, there's a lot you know, film's

1656
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,760
an important media. I'm not. I mean, I grew up

1657
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,920
kind of living my curiousy for the movies, which I

1658
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,680
think is kind of a mean, that's kind of a

1659
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:44,560
that's a very American kind of rison me, you know,

1660
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:47,319
at least for people born before like nineteen eighty or so.

1661
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:52,880
But you know, it kind of like American cultural life

1662
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,520
exists like in cinema, you know, in a way that

1663
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:59,680
it doesn't in and other mediums. You know, I guess

1664
01:54:01,279 --> 01:54:04,079
the Great American novel is a trope, you know. And

1665
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,159
don't get me wrong, like there's there's still in this day,

1666
01:54:08,359 --> 01:54:12,319
like you know, Americans make an impact on the literary scene.

1667
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:14,520
But like when we're talking about kind of like America's

1668
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,880
contribution of like you know, the the kind of like

1669
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:22,359
global cultural prestige like high high culture and like lowist

1670
01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:25,520
of the low, we're talking about cinema. So I think

1671
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:30,279
that's important to man and then especially you know these

1672
01:54:30,399 --> 01:54:34,159
days the kind of lament uh and it's and it's

1673
01:54:34,199 --> 01:54:36,640
well placed, you know, and including like people like Martin

1674
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:40,880
Scorsese himself. There's not like real films being made by Hollywood.

1675
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:46,439
I think that's true, but there's something of a backlash

1676
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:49,680
against that. Then, you know, the kind of removal of

1677
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,800
barriers to entry in the form of you know, production

1678
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:59,560
tech becoming kind of democratized for lack of a better word,

1679
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,760
you know, I mean, like anybody can shoot a film

1680
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,199
man like who's got you know, I got bair minimum

1681
01:55:04,319 --> 01:55:07,279
of investment in capital. So you don't make the point

1682
01:55:07,359 --> 01:55:10,039
too that guys like Nicholas the Ref and Ryan Gosling

1683
01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:13,319
are kind of keeping filmmaking alive, you know, like basically

1684
01:55:13,399 --> 01:55:16,640
taking a loss on these passion projects. And I'm I

1685
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,920
just know, I just tweeted out, you know something about

1686
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,720
Kevin Kostner, who I'm not any like big fan of.

1687
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:24,680
I think he's like a well meaning guy, but I

1688
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,479
think some of his work product a ship. But he

1689
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:32,399
he made this big western like epic that's like three

1690
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:37,760
hours long. They had got the standing ovation at one

1691
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,119
of the big film festivals. I don't think it was Can's,

1692
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:43,119
but it was you know, one of something in the vein,

1693
01:55:44,279 --> 01:55:47,199
So I maintaining that film is not just something for

1694
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:50,840
like old people nostalgics like me, or for you know,

1695
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:58,359
kind of people with subcultural interests. So I'm excited about it.

1696
01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:02,399
And feedback's been good, and like we talked about before,

1697
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:05,279
we went a while, I'm trying to think about what

1698
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:13,760
movie we should cover next, and uh, I'm welcoming feedback

1699
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:20,880
on the ad or you know, request from subscribers as

1700
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:24,640
to what they'd like to see reviewed, and obviously i'd

1701
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:28,199
be heavy to bite it, but yeah, I'm excited about it. Man.

1702
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 1: I just want to mention. I threw up a page

1703
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,960
on my website, Freeman Beyond the Wall dot com forward

1704
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,800
slash taxi driver, Taxi drivers all one word, and there's

1705
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,359
a link there to the Gum Road episode the video,

1706
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:46,079
and I also put audio up because I know some

1707
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:49,319
people are just not going to be able to sit

1708
01:56:49,439 --> 01:56:52,600
down and watch video, so some people are still going

1709
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:54,279
to want to hear the commentary. And I had one

1710
01:56:54,319 --> 01:56:56,600
guy in the live stream yesterday say I know that

1711
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,760
movie so well that I could listen to your to

1712
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,680
your commentary. I know exactly what scene you're talking about

1713
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:06,720
and vision and vision in my head, so I just film.

1714
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I if you're like a movie person, the

1715
01:57:10,439 --> 01:57:13,520
other films you watch like dozens of times over lifetime.

1716
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,760
And I mean even I've been like that some time

1717
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:17,840
as a kid. I I realized some people think that

1718
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:22,159
seems weird. Like I like years back, like a lady

1719
01:57:22,199 --> 01:57:23,960
I knew was like, why, you know, why why do

1720
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,840
you always watch? Like why do you watch the same

1721
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,119
movies over and over? You know, I'm like, doesn't everybody

1722
01:57:29,159 --> 01:57:30,920
do that films? Like like and she's like no, you know.

1723
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,600
I'm like, okay, well it's but I've been that way

1724
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:37,079
even before, you know, I had like a developed sense

1725
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:42,199
of of a film is kind of like a medium.

1726
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:45,279
Like I remember remember like in the seventies and eighties,

1727
01:57:45,319 --> 01:57:47,840
it'd be those like hobby table books like Leynard Multon's

1728
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,640
Movie Guide or like the the Home Video Guide to

1729
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,800
like movies, and it'd be like a thousand pages and

1730
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,039
it'd be like right up, so like every movie you

1731
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:58,439
can think of from you know, like the nineteen teens,

1732
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,760
like later Silent era, like until like the then President

1733
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,159
of like nineteen eighty five or whatever. I'd like pour

1734
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:09,880
over that shit for like hours, man, Like I you know,

1735
01:58:10,039 --> 01:58:14,119
like because I was always like a data junkie. But yeah, man,

1736
01:58:14,199 --> 01:58:17,239
and before Internet, that's also like how you found out

1737
01:58:17,279 --> 01:58:23,239
about like film titles, man, Like I remember A Future Kill,

1738
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,680
which is a bizarre movie, Like I found that through

1739
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,000
there Christian f which was like really kind of shocking.

1740
01:58:29,039 --> 01:58:29,159
Speaker 1: Man.

1741
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 2: If you're like a kid in the eighties and know

1742
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:35,279
that was that West German movie about uh you know kids,

1743
01:58:35,439 --> 01:58:39,039
uh like like homeless kids like who were strung out

1744
01:58:39,079 --> 01:58:41,760
of heroin and like West Berlin. That's I was poignant.

1745
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,399
But I mean, you know stuff like that, Like I

1746
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,760
I found that through like a Leonard Mountain movie guide

1747
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:51,439
and I was lucky enough. And like Greater Chicago land

1748
01:58:51,479 --> 01:58:54,079
there was like a critical mass like independent video stores.

1749
01:58:54,119 --> 01:58:56,920
Even after Blockbuster kind of connered the landscapes, you could

1750
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,479
you still find a lot of that stuff. But yeah,

1751
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,399
it's a very good thing, man, this series.

1752
01:59:01,439 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, so yeah freemam me on the Wall,

1753
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,800
dot Com, Forrest, Last Taxi Driver all one word and

1754
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:13,119
uh well let's get to it Itolf Hitler is Foreign

1755
01:59:13,199 --> 01:59:16,640
Policy Episode three. How are you doing? Ready to go?

1756
01:59:17,239 --> 01:59:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I mentioned earlier, on I put

1757
01:59:24,399 --> 01:59:27,880
a I put a lot of premium in a lot

1758
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:32,119
of these and sort of soft revisionist takes that have

1759
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:36,560
crept into the mainstream. I means things are changing, you know,

1760
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:40,359
and but biographies of historical personages are always going to

1761
01:59:40,479 --> 01:59:44,520
hit or miss. I mean, even people obviously aren't nearly

1762
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:50,439
as controversy always Little Hitler, because you know, even even

1763
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,800
even fairly objective historians, you know, they run the risk

1764
01:59:54,880 --> 02:00:01,640
of interpreting events and stayed and send even the documentary record,

1765
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,720
they're kind of a lens of of of current affairs

1766
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:12,840
and things. And I mentioned before that Brendan Simms his book, uh,

1767
02:00:13,039 --> 02:00:16,640
his twenty seventeen book hitlarc Glul biography, that's really great.

1768
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:21,199
I consider it. I consider it a base. He be

1769
02:00:21,279 --> 02:00:23,840
on the level at John Toland's biography, and in terms

1770
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:29,319
of its scholarly integrity. Obviously Toland I I, you know,

1771
02:00:29,359 --> 02:00:31,640
I Totland his book edges it out a bit because

1772
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:37,279
Totland quite literally, you know, was able to access Hitler's

1773
02:00:37,319 --> 02:00:41,079
then living relatives, including his sister, and you know as

1774
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:44,479
well as you know, people who'd served a third Reich

1775
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:49,880
and critical capacities who wouldn't talk to anybody else but

1776
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:58,199
Sims his book. Uh. The only other book that focus

1777
02:00:58,319 --> 02:01:02,199
is really on Hitler's g strategic vision and Hitler's view

1778
02:01:02,319 --> 02:01:06,760
of the United States, which is absolutely key understanding Hitler's worldview.

1779
02:01:07,279 --> 02:01:10,039
The only other book I found that deals with them

1780
02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:13,800
in a dedicated capacity is this old book from the

1781
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,000
seventies that was put out by this Naval War college

1782
02:01:17,079 --> 02:01:21,560
type called Hitler Versus Roosevelt. And kind of the focus

1783
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,279
of that book was the undeclared naval war between the

1784
02:01:24,399 --> 02:01:28,600
United States and the Third Reich, which carried on literally

1785
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:30,560
for years for the form of regulation of the war.

1786
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:34,720
And that was an early example of a kind of

1787
02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:41,640
revisionist text, you know, which of which you find in

1788
02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:45,399
that era, like in kind of military science type of

1789
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,760
type of type of books, more than you would in

1790
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:55,800
kind of like more broad historical treatments. But that was,

1791
02:01:56,359 --> 02:01:59,119
I mean, that was important. It was an important contribution.

1792
02:01:59,319 --> 02:02:02,600
But obviously, you know, again it focused kind of more

1793
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:08,359
on in personal circumstances that you know, in that author's

1794
02:02:08,479 --> 02:02:11,279
estimation kind of put Hitler and Roosevelt in a collision course.

1795
02:02:12,479 --> 02:02:14,680
I take some exception to that, you know, Like I said,

1796
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:22,199
I Hitler Hitler was not unsophisticated on geostrategic reality. He's

1797
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:24,920
like quite the contrary, Like he really, he really did

1798
02:02:25,039 --> 02:02:28,840
have like a forward looking perspective and even more than

1799
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,640
a lot of these, you know, people of aristocratic pedigree,

1800
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:41,880
you was supposedly you know, more cosmopolitan the leanings, you know,

1801
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,640
whether they're in the UK or Germany. Hitler, Hitler saw

1802
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:50,760
things that they didn't and obviously owing to the brutality

1803
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:52,159
of the war in the East, as well as the

1804
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:57,960
kind of dialectical nuance of finational socialism, you know, like

1805
02:02:58,039 --> 02:03:01,199
people people a kind of view the Union, as you know,

1806
02:03:01,279 --> 02:03:03,800
as the as the mortal enemy of the German Reich

1807
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:06,319
first last and always any kind of total existential terms,

1808
02:03:06,359 --> 02:03:11,439
that's the wrong way to look at it. And you know,

1809
02:03:11,479 --> 02:03:15,359
the degree to which Hitler himself, as well as kind

1810
02:03:15,359 --> 02:03:21,720
of any you know, any any kind of right Hegelian

1811
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:27,199
which basically everybody was of Hitler's generation who you know,

1812
02:03:27,359 --> 02:03:33,600
had any kind of grand theory of geopolitics. They they viewed,

1813
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:40,079
they viewed the kind of tragic course of uh Russo

1814
02:03:40,199 --> 02:03:43,920
German affairs to be something of an inevitability, you know,

1815
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:48,000
almost like a phenomenon of nature. Germany's relationships to the

1816
02:03:48,079 --> 02:03:54,039
United States was totally different and promised a lot more

1817
02:03:54,119 --> 02:04:01,199
on uh on you know, ideological new wance that was

1818
02:04:01,319 --> 02:04:04,720
somewhat accidental. I don't even know what I mean by that.

1819
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,920
But a point that Sims may be and I've always made,

1820
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:13,199
is that people need to read Hitler's second book to

1821
02:04:13,279 --> 02:04:19,840
really understand what his perspective was. And there's a reason why,

1822
02:04:20,079 --> 02:04:25,680
in my opinion, Hitler after about nineteen twenty eight twenty nine,

1823
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,600
you know, he he kind of put it to the side.

1824
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,720
You know, I think, in my opinion, didn't feel that

1825
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:37,000
the body politic and the electorate was really ready for

1826
02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:43,479
that kind of hard political realism, you know, and thus

1827
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:46,039
there people read a kind of inconsistency in some of

1828
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:50,920
Hitler's public statements, particularly after nineteen thirty, you know, God

1829
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:52,800
for the second book, which I think is a misguided

1830
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,279
I'll get in a way, I think that in a minute.

1831
02:04:54,319 --> 02:05:06,199
But by nineteen twenty eight, like people, people kind of

1832
02:05:06,199 --> 02:05:14,600
misunderstand that, uh, you know, the uh, the big people

1833
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:16,439
of view kind of the National Sols Party is like

1834
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:19,880
this crisis party that was only able to capitalize, you know,

1835
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:25,640
and breakthrough during the years when you know, the global

1836
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,640
depression like really kind of hit Germany hardest. I mean

1837
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:31,119
that's true, and it's not. I mean, like obviously the

1838
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:35,479
punctuated breakthroughs you know, like happened in those years. But

1839
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:39,840
Hitler's overall kind of program it it wasn't just based

1840
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:42,600
on quote resentment over Versailles. I mean, the Versite Treaty

1841
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:45,840
wasn't in ethical terms and and turn in practical terms,

1842
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:48,119
it wasn't worth the paper it was written on verbally,

1843
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:53,880
but that wasn't that wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't just

1844
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:57,319
a mirror uh like like protests, vote party or something.

1845
02:05:58,439 --> 02:06:07,800
The something Hitler constantly talked about in to Hess to

1846
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:15,399
Gearing too, you know, his intimates all and sundry as

1847
02:06:15,399 --> 02:06:17,840
all as something he wrote about in the second book

1848
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:21,359
was that the greatest that the one of the biggest

1849
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:24,960
extential threats to Europe was was mass emigration, you know,

1850
02:06:25,279 --> 02:06:27,880
and every time, every time Europe was hit with the

1851
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:31,960
punctuating crisis, you know, basically it lost you know, millions

1852
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:37,399
of people over you know, over a century. And that's

1853
02:06:37,439 --> 02:06:42,479
exactly what it happened in Germany. A lot of people

1854
02:06:42,479 --> 02:06:45,920
attributed to Hitler, they say, you know, they They suggested

1855
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,479
he borrowed the idea of a pan Europe, Pan Europa.

1856
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:54,520
This idea was kind of first got public kind of

1857
02:06:56,560 --> 02:07:05,520
attention in you know, in the by marawenty three. This uh,

1858
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:15,159
this hung this Halfsburg diplomat, Count Richard cotenhave Calary. He was.

1859
02:07:16,359 --> 02:07:18,800
He was the son of a of a Halfsburg diplomat.

1860
02:07:19,159 --> 02:07:22,119
He was a guy of aristocretic pretorie cedigree. He'd married

1861
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:25,560
a Japanese woman, which is somewhat rare. I mean, there's

1862
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:28,199
a lot of cultural exchange between Germany and Japan, but

1863
02:07:28,319 --> 02:07:32,479
like a Halfsburg Austrian aristocrat, like marrying a Japanese woman

1864
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:38,199
was kinda it was unusual, you know. He was uh,

1865
02:07:41,720 --> 02:07:44,159
his his his ideas gained ground kind of as the

1866
02:07:44,359 --> 02:07:51,840
internal situation deteriorated in Europe vis a viva the you know,

1867
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:56,239
the German economy and kind of the demands of the

1868
02:07:56,359 --> 02:08:01,159
reparations regime. He was a he was backed early on

1869
02:08:01,359 --> 02:08:07,800
by Max Varberg, who some people believe was uh what

1870
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:11,880
was a side from the Rothschilds. But be as it may,

1871
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:15,960
I mean whatever Calory. I don't know if he was

1872
02:08:16,039 --> 02:08:18,399
Jewish or not. I think he was part Jewish by

1873
02:08:19,039 --> 02:08:24,000
like heritage, but I don't he he did, in fact

1874
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:28,760
have like a vision of Europe that with an eye

1875
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,760
to render a Jewish strategically competitive. Like he wasn't just

1876
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:35,800
he wasn't just some banker like looking to insinuate this

1877
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:41,359
kind of you know, foe uh European ideology into what

1878
02:08:41,399 --> 02:08:46,439
I'm on to do a kind of you know, a

1879
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,159
kind of the kind of a kind of program of

1880
02:08:49,279 --> 02:08:51,239
capitalist rape. And although I know a lot of his

1881
02:08:51,399 --> 02:08:54,399
detractors then and now like claim it, but because it

1882
02:08:54,520 --> 02:09:04,079
may heinrich amand a year so twenty four he drew

1883
02:09:04,119 --> 02:09:08,640
heavily upon keller GI's writings, and he published this kind

1884
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:13,680
of popular circular calling for you know, a United States

1885
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:15,880
of Europe to prevent you know, the con from becoming

1886
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:20,000
an economic colony of America. Now, the key takeaway of

1887
02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:22,439
that again like Hitler didn't have any common truck with

1888
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:27,079
people like Hilarity and man, but you know, the understanding

1889
02:09:27,199 --> 02:09:32,560
that America was really you know, if whether you're in Germany,

1890
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:34,560
whether you're in Japan, whether you're in China, whether you

1891
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:37,039
were in the Soviet Union, like your eyes were going

1892
02:09:37,079 --> 02:09:40,279
into America as to like the future of like your

1893
02:09:40,319 --> 02:09:43,920
great power opponent, okay, like that the degree to which

1894
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:47,359
this was in the minds of people can't be overstated, okay.

1895
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:52,880
And the degree to which American power, actual and potential

1896
02:09:53,079 --> 02:09:58,760
dwarfed basically like everybody else combined, like can't be overstated, okay.

1897
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:11,800
And Hitler Hitler was very, very aware of this, and

1898
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:14,359
honestly too, in the political culture of Baymar this was

1899
02:10:14,399 --> 02:10:17,159
something people kind of took for granted, you know, like

1900
02:10:17,239 --> 02:10:21,039
the Social Democrats and not even twenty five twenty six,

1901
02:10:22,479 --> 02:10:25,720
you know, as they were kind of trying to finesse

1902
02:10:26,439 --> 02:10:29,159
moderate voters, you know, kind of take it to strike

1903
02:10:29,239 --> 02:10:31,560
a more kind of like nationalist posture. I mean in

1904
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:35,680
however milk Too's terms. You know, they were they were

1905
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:37,319
talking about how the you know, the Europe needed some

1906
02:10:37,399 --> 02:10:39,279
going to integrate banking structure and not just to get

1907
02:10:39,319 --> 02:10:45,399
a handle on the reparations regime and to not you know,

1908
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:48,840
be uh tethered to the force end of the pound

1909
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:52,319
sterling at the American dollar. But you know, this was

1910
02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:55,800
this was the way forward, you know, like anything anything

1911
02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:05,199
else was a provincial in scope the uh, but it's

1912
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:08,119
also there was Hitler had a lot of admiration for

1913
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:10,279
the United States. You know, like we talked about before,

1914
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:15,479
people thought it was weird when it came out that

1915
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:23,680
uh at at at Eagles Nest. You know, like Hitler,

1916
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:26,359
uh Hiler had a bunch of like uh Coca Cola

1917
02:11:26,479 --> 02:11:28,920
signs and stuff like in the parlor. Like Hitler loved

1918
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:31,560
Coca Cola and he liked he liked bowling, like he

1919
02:11:31,720 --> 02:11:34,279
liked he like his favorite movie was King Kong. When

1920
02:11:34,319 --> 02:11:36,039
he was a kid, you know, he was into he

1921
02:11:36,159 --> 02:11:38,439
was into Western and stuff. You know, he he thought

1922
02:11:38,479 --> 02:11:41,039
like Hollywood was awesome. I mean, he had exception to

1923
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:43,920
what he viewed as you know, it's the kind of

1924
02:11:44,039 --> 02:11:48,359
sinuation of Jewish values into into the movie industry. But

1925
02:11:48,439 --> 02:11:50,960
he was far from alone and in that take. But

1926
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:53,960
his idea that Hitler was something like provincial like Habspurg

1927
02:11:54,039 --> 02:12:02,560
type hated America is complete nonsense, he you know, and

1928
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:09,359
uh Germans all went to American movies, you know, like

1929
02:12:09,479 --> 02:12:16,119
from about nineteen twenty eight onward. You know, like basically

1930
02:12:16,279 --> 02:12:18,840
like if you went to the cinema, you we were

1931
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:21,600
going to see like American movies. You know. There was

1932
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:28,680
a the uh Transatlantic uh flights by airship during like

1933
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:33,279
the brief sort of a sentence like airships as this

1934
02:12:33,439 --> 02:12:42,039
big you know kind of a you know, travel platform,

1935
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:45,159
you know, like uh, like the big push was uh

1936
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,600
to link you know, Berlin with like New York, you know,

1937
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:51,760
as the ambition mean of course like turmed Berlin in

1938
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:54,239
like this kind of like world city. You know, this

1939
02:12:54,439 --> 02:12:59,239
wasn't This was very much uh, this is very much

1940
02:12:59,439 --> 02:13:01,800
like German looking to emulate. They weren't looking at emulate France.

1941
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,600
They weren't looking. People weren't looking other than people who

1942
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:07,720
were who had been like radicalizing, you know, the streets

1943
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:09,600
of Weimar, people who were just you know, kind of

1944
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:13,800
already ideologically dedicated only to their own you know, kind

1945
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,000
of like philosophical commitments. Like nobody in Germany was like

1946
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:19,720
looking east the Soviet Union as a model society. You know,

1947
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:24,680
they had, uh, they had they looked at America. They

1948
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:32,159
admiration and you know, so like small Off and the

1949
02:13:32,359 --> 02:13:36,640
uh you know Frederick list uh who was considered kind

1950
02:13:36,640 --> 02:13:40,479
of like the father of U of German national economics,

1951
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:44,319
you know, the guy he basically promised his entire paradigm

1952
02:13:44,399 --> 02:13:46,800
on Hamiltonian economics, you know, like and he and he

1953
02:13:47,079 --> 02:13:49,159
he openly acknowledged that.

1954
02:13:50,119 --> 02:13:53,640
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean he spent a lot of

1955
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:54,920
time in the United States.

1956
02:13:55,560 --> 02:14:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And it's also the uh you

1957
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:06,920
know Hitler also, Hillar had a keen understanding u he

1958
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:12,600
had no illusions about uh about this about you know,

1959
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:16,399
about the situation of of of Germany and like in

1960
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,640
Europe in general. And henna do what I minute too,

1961
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:24,039
like he now until not something like chauvinistic like nationalists

1962
02:14:24,119 --> 02:14:27,840
or whatever, but he like, if anything, he especially he

1963
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:30,359
didn't say this on the campaign trail for obvious reasons,

1964
02:14:31,159 --> 02:14:34,760
but uh, you know, like we talked about before, you know,

1965
02:14:35,479 --> 02:14:39,319
this reputation of the national socialists being fixated on eugenics

1966
02:14:39,439 --> 02:14:42,560
is misplaced because if anything, you know, America and unless

1967
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:44,520
you agree to Soviet Union, we're kind of like the

1968
02:14:45,079 --> 02:14:48,920
hub of that sort of thinking. But uh, you know,

1969
02:14:49,039 --> 02:14:53,840
Hitler believed that Europe was basically sickly, you know, spiritually, biologically,

1970
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:55,960
every other way like conscou the United States, and he

1971
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:59,119
talked about that constantly. You know, like Hillar didn't go

1972
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:02,000
on saying like we're the master race, like quite quite

1973
02:15:02,039 --> 02:15:06,239
the contrary part of that deliberate like mistranslation, part of

1974
02:15:06,279 --> 02:15:08,960
that's just you know, like attributing kind of a caricaturish

1975
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:13,960
view to you know, Europeans generally, and you know Hitler specifically,

1976
02:15:14,119 --> 02:15:22,399
but interestingly, you know Hitler also too. It went without saying,

1977
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:25,159
you know, that that communism was a blight and had

1978
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:28,000
to be eradicated. But I mean that was something that

1979
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:32,239
again in dialectical terms, that was something that just was

1980
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:36,600
it was was was taken for granted. You know, I

1981
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,920
mean like you're going around trying to convince communists, like

1982
02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:43,960
you know, of the that they were misguided or or

1983
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:46,680
trying to explain to people why, you know, it wouldn't

1984
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:48,960
be good for there to be some kind of Soviet

1985
02:15:49,039 --> 02:15:52,560
revolution in Berlin, like you you know, you're you would

1986
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:55,119
have been pissing into the winds to dedicate yourself with

1987
02:15:55,159 --> 02:15:59,079
those sorts of endeavors. But also again it you know

1988
02:15:59,159 --> 02:16:01,119
that the kind of you a communism was almost like

1989
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:04,199
it was almost like it wasn't a mind virus or something,

1990
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:06,319
you know, like it was almost people going with view

1991
02:16:06,319 --> 02:16:08,600
it almost like they would like BLM you know today,

1992
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:11,840
but obviously exponentially more serious and more dangerous. Like it's

1993
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,680
not it like goes out saying that they're your ops

1994
02:16:15,279 --> 02:16:18,359
like what what what people like Hitler actually engaged with.

1995
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:24,199
You know, what the real danger was was explaining to

1996
02:16:24,279 --> 02:16:28,720
people why, you know, Europe had to basically carve out

1997
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:33,159
an autonomous path or the situation at Germany and Europe

1998
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:37,120
in general eventually would be connpertal that of colony, you know,

1999
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:39,600
like Europe just become a colony the United States or

2000
02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:42,319
the Soviet Union, you know, if the Soviets militarily were

2001
02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:48,440
able to you know, subsume all other all other competing powers,

2002
02:16:49,719 --> 02:16:52,920
you know, just just by you know, at that point

2003
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:58,639
of that bayonet, like figuratively and literally, you know, Hitler said, uh,

2004
02:16:59,719 --> 02:17:02,680
during the later stages of UH, you know, the kind

2005
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:06,520
of campaign to the Reichstag in nineteen twenty eight for

2006
02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:09,399
for the you know, for richs that seeds, I mean uh,

2007
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:12,879
Hitler said He'll compared German Germany to India, and like

2008
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:15,840
the way that you know, he said that, uh on India,

2009
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:18,680
like Britain allows like these Hindus like keep their princes

2010
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:21,600
and their kings and it doesn't it doesn't divest you know,

2011
02:17:21,680 --> 02:17:25,000
these aristocrats and in the rods and their o their wealth.

2012
02:17:25,239 --> 02:17:27,440
I know, it'sn't pretend to have authority. But in reality,

2013
02:17:27,479 --> 02:17:30,799
these guys are you know, these guys are are ciphers,

2014
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:34,479
you know, they're they're nobody's they're they're coolies who you know,

2015
02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:36,799
dressed up and kind of the glamour of of of

2016
02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:41,079
a sovereign court, you know. And you know, he said,

2017
02:17:41,239 --> 02:17:44,479
you know, anybody who thinks that, you know, the real

2018
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:46,639
truth is not that you know, the Britain, that the

2019
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:48,920
Britain is the lord and the Indian is the slave

2020
02:17:49,079 --> 02:17:52,840
is diluted, you know. And he said, uh, you know

2021
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:56,920
the you know, Hitler wasn't suggesting, you know, some kind

2022
02:17:56,959 --> 02:17:59,280
of solidarity with kind of like you know, the wretched

2023
02:17:59,319 --> 02:18:02,479
and oppressed the earth or whatever, you know, but he

2024
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:05,600
he was. He was saying that like basically, like this

2025
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:08,040
is the way, this is the way we're viewed by

2026
02:18:08,079 --> 02:18:11,159
Europe and America, albeit for some of different reasons and

2027
02:18:11,239 --> 02:18:13,159
something I'm gonna too, at this point there was real

2028
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,680
there was there was not There was no level laws

2029
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:18,680
to be the UK and America at this juncture, and

2030
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:24,319
as late really as uh the Edwardian era, the potential

2031
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:29,559
for America and Britain like going to war, especially overclaims

2032
02:18:31,159 --> 02:18:36,319
in the Pacific, it was it was very real possibility.

2033
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:39,719
You know. So it's like the Hitler talking about the

2034
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:42,959
UK and America like having some convergence of interest but

2035
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:46,719
also being ops actual potential. That's not something like weird

2036
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:48,920
conceit of Hitler. That's the way everybody viewed it, because

2037
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:53,079
that was that was the truth, you know, the uh

2038
02:18:54,920 --> 02:18:59,360
that ended because Churchill destroyed his country. He liquidated the

2039
02:18:59,399 --> 02:19:02,120
empire and literally sold it to America. I mean, like

2040
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:05,399
had that not happened it you know, it's it's an

2041
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:12,360
open ended question, but the uh. But the main you know, Hitler,

2042
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:17,440
Hitler came back and again again and again to you know,

2043
02:19:17,680 --> 02:19:24,399
angle what he called Anglo Saxon capitalism. Okay, and he

2044
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:28,239
distinguished He didn't say this was axiomatically the progeny of

2045
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:31,479
the Jewish political mind. But he said that you know,

2046
02:19:31,479 --> 02:19:35,520
if you're talking at international finance and you're talking about

2047
02:19:35,559 --> 02:19:40,120
the UK and America, you know there's always going to

2048
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,639
be like some aspect of Jewish power they're in. But

2049
02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:47,200
he said that that doesn't mean, like you said, even

2050
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:49,639
though if we removed like jewelry from the equation, that

2051
02:19:49,719 --> 02:19:51,760
does not mean that like Wall Street in London is

2052
02:19:51,799 --> 02:19:54,559
our friend, you know, and this is what leads a

2053
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:56,200
lot of people to say, like, oh, Hitler was just

2054
02:19:56,239 --> 02:19:58,799
a socialist or something like he was, but not in

2055
02:19:58,840 --> 02:20:01,520
the way that people are talking like those kinds of

2056
02:20:01,559 --> 02:20:06,479
people refer to. And you know, for context, one of

2057
02:20:06,559 --> 02:20:12,559
Hitler's big targets was Parker Gilbert. Parker Gilbert died young,

2058
02:20:12,639 --> 02:20:14,520
he was only in his like early to mid forties.

2059
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:18,000
He was most known for was being the Agent general

2060
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:23,600
for the reparations to Germany from nineteen twenty four to

2061
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:27,959
about the middle of nineteen thirty and afterwards, interestingly, he

2062
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:31,000
became an associated JP Morgan. You know, as we talked

2063
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:33,840
about before, like if you don't understand the degree with

2064
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:38,200
JP Morgan, you know had I mean JP Morgan was

2065
02:20:38,280 --> 02:20:40,600
Wall Street in those days, Okay, Like they they're kind

2066
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:42,559
of like the Goldman Sacks of their day, all right,

2067
02:20:43,159 --> 02:20:46,239
And the degree with JP Morgan was insinuated into the

2068
02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:49,079
you know, kind of forcing the decision to go to

2069
02:20:49,159 --> 02:20:51,639
war on the on the Wilson White House, you know,

2070
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:53,959
Hitler saying like, look, okay, like you don't believe me,

2071
02:20:54,079 --> 02:20:56,280
Like what's Parker Gilbert? You know, like why is our

2072
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,639
economy basically in the hands of this guy. You know,

2073
02:20:58,719 --> 02:21:02,440
I mean that they can't be denying, you know, so

2074
02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:05,079
I mean this was uh, you know, like again the

2075
02:21:05,239 --> 02:21:07,440
uh acting like it was something acting like I mean

2076
02:21:07,479 --> 02:21:09,959
these things, especially anybody acting like it's some benign thing.

2077
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:15,600
But uh, your national wealth being divested by you know,

2078
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:20,399
Wall Street and uh you know kind of uh you know,

2079
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:26,040
the uh your your your currency being bottomed out by

2080
02:21:26,079 --> 02:21:29,200
the repeating of a reparations regime. Like anybody who thinks

2081
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,799
that like that's some benign thing, I don't know what

2082
02:21:30,879 --> 02:21:35,760
to tell them. Okay, but this wasn't This wasn't uh,

2083
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:39,000
this wasn't as Hitler and something like vestigil like Marxist

2084
02:21:39,079 --> 02:21:41,360
sympathies or something. I know, some people like to claim that,

2085
02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:44,399
you know, during the bymur years, he was taken in

2086
02:21:44,520 --> 02:21:49,120
by by the KPD briefly. Most is nonsense, but that

2087
02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:53,639
but that's what uh, that's the reason why he's constantly

2088
02:21:53,719 --> 02:21:57,200
talking about capitalists photo capitalists, and also too, I mean

2089
02:21:57,280 --> 02:22:02,239
the you know, the uh, the KPD was basically beaten

2090
02:22:02,360 --> 02:22:06,040
by this point, and you know, they they lost the streets,

2091
02:22:06,719 --> 02:22:09,719
you know, like, uh, there was still a threat, you know,

2092
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:14,639
and kind of the final it wasn't until uh the

2093
02:22:14,799 --> 02:22:21,000
Enabling Act incident to uh, you know, to to the

2094
02:22:21,079 --> 02:22:24,959
Reichstag fire, which was in fact set by a communist

2095
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:29,159
you know, van Lieb or Loube. But the UH, I

2096
02:22:29,239 --> 02:22:33,159
mean now that it wasn't until they were formerly banned

2097
02:22:33,159 --> 02:22:35,799
as a you know, what amounts a terrorist organization that

2098
02:22:35,879 --> 02:22:38,680
they were no longer effect or. But it wasn't that,

2099
02:22:38,879 --> 02:22:41,520
you know, the political culture of Germany in nineteen thirty

2100
02:22:41,639 --> 02:22:44,719
like wasn't orbiting around like you know, people weren't debating

2101
02:22:44,799 --> 02:22:49,719
in Reichstag sessions like the legitimacy of Marxism. I mean,

2102
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:54,360
like this was the issue in existential terms on the table,

2103
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:58,120
you know, like whether when the reparations regime could be

2104
02:22:58,159 --> 02:23:00,719
rendered benign. You know what, there's some kind of like

2105
02:23:00,760 --> 02:23:05,319
complex interdependence with America, which meant essentially, you know, like

2106
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:09,200
subjugating the German economy to that of Wall Street. Is

2107
02:23:09,239 --> 02:23:11,479
there some way out of this or some way like

2108
02:23:11,559 --> 02:23:18,040
within this paradigm whereby you know, Germany survives as as

2109
02:23:18,079 --> 02:23:21,680
an autonomous political culture. Like that's what was on the table, okay,

2110
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:28,239
And that's why that's why that's why Hillary's emphasis comes

2111
02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:31,239
back again and again. You know, the capitalism and the

2112
02:23:31,319 --> 02:23:33,440
capitalist details. It is not because he was some sort

2113
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:36,079
of like occulted Marxist or something or whatever. People say

2114
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:42,719
the UH and you know again too like it wasn't

2115
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:50,120
the UH the reparations or agime like the DAWs Plan.

2116
02:23:50,239 --> 02:23:53,000
Hillary was always saying that don't speak to me of

2117
02:23:53,079 --> 02:23:56,559
constitutions and the Weimar Constitution. He said, our three constitutions

2118
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:58,680
are in the Versailles Treaty, the Dawes Plan, in our

2119
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:02,799
in the little Kernel pack, and the DAWs Plant specifically.

2120
02:24:03,799 --> 02:24:06,040
You know, you had UH, you had Parker Gilbert and

2121
02:24:06,159 --> 02:24:12,559
his cronies intervening essentially as UH as the French were threatening,

2122
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:16,280
you know, occupation of the roarers kind of there. It's

2123
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,200
kind of their damnically sore and if they weren't paid

2124
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:22,079
what they believe they were own Italian manner, you know,

2125
02:24:22,239 --> 02:24:27,799
Dawes said, the Dowes basically advocated like taking the German

2126
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:35,920
UH National Railway Company as collateral and you know, I

2127
02:24:35,959 --> 02:24:39,440
mean all UH revenue from the tariff and tax regime

2128
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:42,399
essentially being put in his hands, in the hands of

2129
02:24:42,440 --> 02:24:45,719
the Reparations committee, which was the fact, oh JP Morgan,

2130
02:24:46,079 --> 02:24:49,239
you know, and from there like they'd you know, they'd uh,

2131
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:56,479
they'd integrate, uh, they'd integrate these public revenues that the

2132
02:24:56,520 --> 02:24:58,879
Berlin government was receiving and be like kind of the

2133
02:24:58,879 --> 02:25:01,600
middleman with France, you know, agains. They saw a fit,

2134
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:03,920
you know, and this was this this was the big

2135
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:06,319
plan to like dig Germany out. You know, it was

2136
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:13,479
essentially allowing J. K. Morgan to to loot, to loot

2137
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:16,159
the public conference as they saw fit, you know, I mean,

2138
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:18,760
and that's I mean, I think about it, like think

2139
02:25:18,799 --> 02:25:21,440
about it like Americans freak the funk out about uh,

2140
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:24,959
you know when they think uh, like when they think

2141
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:30,159
they're paying too much and uh and in real estate Texas,

2142
02:25:30,239 --> 02:25:32,079
which is no small thing. I mean, I I I

2143
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:34,639
feel the bird of that too. I mean it's like

2144
02:25:34,959 --> 02:25:37,239
people like, oh, Hitler was just making them out out

2145
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:39,159
of a mobile about this whole Versailles thing. It's like,

2146
02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:42,079
you fucking serious, you know, it's like come on. But

2147
02:25:43,639 --> 02:25:46,040
and of course too, like people during by Maar, I mean,

2148
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:48,920
they're in the Viymar regime. They they h this is

2149
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:53,920
most by by the time of the of the the

2150
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:57,840
the breakthrough, this was mostly they had mostly abated, but

2151
02:25:58,360 --> 02:26:01,040
people were starving. You know, maybe I mean the point

2152
02:26:01,079 --> 02:26:05,440
about horses vessel, horst vessel, you know his uh corn

2153
02:26:05,559 --> 02:26:07,520
historians and the comments at the time claimed he was

2154
02:26:07,559 --> 02:26:11,280
a quote unquote pimp because like his his living girlfriend

2155
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:13,200
was a prostitute, Like you don't know why she was

2156
02:26:13,239 --> 02:26:16,319
a prostitute. Like a lot of women became prostitute, so

2157
02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:19,559
they were starving. I mean like that that's that that

2158
02:26:19,799 --> 02:26:22,239
that's the situation. I mean, when it becomes normal for

2159
02:26:22,280 --> 02:26:24,479
we're going to be selling themselves because you know, there's

2160
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:27,360
no other option. I mean, like think about like America's

2161
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:29,600
never read to live in those conditions, man, like they haven't.

2162
02:26:29,719 --> 02:26:32,559
I mean, like people were addicted or people who have

2163
02:26:33,479 --> 02:26:37,559
you know, fallen on terrible circumstances for reous reasons. I mean, yeah,

2164
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,360
that happens to them. But like categorically or something like

2165
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:42,959
prostitution becomes normal, so no one isn'tthing to eat, Like

2166
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,719
we can't even imagine that. I mean, that's that's that's

2167
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:51,920
where people were coming from here. And you know that's uh,

2168
02:26:52,559 --> 02:26:56,000
that's what owes to the kind of uh you know,

2169
02:26:56,040 --> 02:26:59,920
the kind of focus of the the National Socials part.

2170
02:27:01,479 --> 02:27:07,520
But it's also the problem with the National Socialist Party

2171
02:27:07,719 --> 02:27:10,520
even into like nineteen twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. I mean,

2172
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:16,120
really this is outside the scope, but interlay the nineteen

2173
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:23,360
thirty four incident, you know, the the ramp coach. I mean,

2174
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:25,120
there's a lot of intrigues there, but I mean the

2175
02:27:25,239 --> 02:27:29,079
kind of the over kind of the overarching impetus was, uh,

2176
02:27:31,239 --> 02:27:35,440
the need to to eradicate you know, divisions in the

2177
02:27:35,559 --> 02:27:38,959
party just you know, by a final uh and violent

2178
02:27:39,799 --> 02:27:45,440
executive decision. Germany's fatal the fatal flaw in the German

2179
02:27:45,479 --> 02:27:51,719
playb culture. With these fractures, you know, foreign policy was

2180
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:57,040
still highly disputed. Rosenberg and you know, the most of

2181
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:00,559
the Baltic German faction within the party, as well as

2182
02:28:00,559 --> 02:28:03,440
a lot of the Prussian military element, they were insisting

2183
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:06,200
that the Soviet Union was you know, was uh what

2184
02:28:06,440 --> 02:28:09,440
was the ideological lene me like everything else is secondary.

2185
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:14,680
Obviously the Strassers as well as Girls himself, interestingly, they

2186
02:28:14,719 --> 02:28:17,280
did the Soviet Union as like a key evidential ally

2187
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:21,520
against Anglo America, the South Tyrol issue, and obviously you

2188
02:28:21,559 --> 02:28:26,000
know Hitler courting Mussolini, you know this, uh and and

2189
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:30,840
ultimately South Tyrol was was was seated in its entirety

2190
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:33,200
to the King of Italy. You know, this big this

2191
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:37,959
was like a sore point for a lot of German racialists,

2192
02:28:37,959 --> 02:28:39,719
you know, like Hitler's selling out our people. You know,

2193
02:28:39,879 --> 02:28:42,520
he's for the sake of a you know something a

2194
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:48,200
geotoggic vision. They may not come to fruition, you know,

2195
02:28:48,719 --> 02:28:56,879
the uh. And this uh, you know, this was not

2196
02:28:57,239 --> 02:29:04,040
this was not workable. And despite uh, despite the fact

2197
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:06,239
that people always talking about like America, especially in this

2198
02:29:06,360 --> 02:29:11,280
era and in the preceding epoch, you know, the World

2199
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:14,520
War One era as being like oh, in America, you know,

2200
02:29:14,639 --> 02:29:18,479
we we debate all possibilities like this. That's that's total bullshit.

2201
02:29:18,799 --> 02:29:20,639
You know, like when a policy course has decided war

2202
02:29:20,719 --> 02:29:23,479
in peace terms or economic terms, like America just does

2203
02:29:23,559 --> 02:29:25,479
it like after the wars were in the States, like

2204
02:29:25,959 --> 02:29:28,399
just like that kind of discussion, just like and that

2205
02:29:28,520 --> 02:29:33,559
was all done, okay. And this is one of this

2206
02:29:33,719 --> 02:29:36,719
is one of the big reasons for the fury prince him.

2207
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:39,600
It's not because like Hilller was some control freak or

2208
02:29:39,639 --> 02:29:42,680
he just thought it was really great too to play

2209
02:29:44,719 --> 02:29:49,440
leader or something. And you know, the uh. Early on

2210
02:29:49,479 --> 02:29:52,479
in his career he treated these like various separatist types.

2211
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:58,079
You know, in these various these various regional parties all

2212
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:01,280
on Sundry, you know, who kind of wanted to sabotage

2213
02:30:01,319 --> 02:30:03,799
any kind of centralized government in Berlin. You know, he

2214
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:06,600
treated these people as much as as big enemies as

2215
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:13,680
the Communist because again, they these like these these people

2216
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:15,680
are kind of like tools today, like in the oldest

2217
02:30:15,719 --> 02:30:18,440
block where like you'll hold themselves like, yeah, I'm luck

2218
02:30:18,440 --> 02:30:21,239
at Ukrainian nationalists. It's like your ass is literally owned

2219
02:30:21,319 --> 02:30:25,120
by Wall Street. But like as long as you like

2220
02:30:25,159 --> 02:30:27,399
go around like weaving like a little flag and pretending

2221
02:30:27,559 --> 02:30:30,280
like you know, you're you're some kind of sovereign like

2222
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:34,479
micro state, like you're you know, you think you're like

2223
02:30:34,559 --> 02:30:35,639
a fucking pig and shit.

2224
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:37,079
Speaker 1: But the.

2225
02:30:39,079 --> 02:30:42,680
Speaker 2: You know, and uh, it was right around this time,

2226
02:30:43,479 --> 02:30:46,680
like around nineteen twenty eight that's when Hitler uh As

2227
02:30:46,799 --> 02:30:52,479
Hitler began writing the second book, and for about eighteen

2228
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:55,559
months subsequent after the election cycle nineteen twenty eight, you know,

2229
02:30:55,639 --> 02:31:01,719
he worked on it pretty consistently. You know. It's uh

2230
02:31:02,559 --> 02:31:06,959
and again, the the over the overarching theme of the

2231
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:10,360
second book is the is it's the overwhelming power of

2232
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:14,680
angle America and especially the United States that theme was

2233
02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:17,120
in Mine comp But what Mine comps a totally even

2234
02:31:17,239 --> 02:31:19,879
kind of book again Mine comp with an election season appeal.

2235
02:31:21,879 --> 02:31:25,479
The second book is quite literally like Hitler's geostrategic vision

2236
02:31:25,639 --> 02:31:27,959
and is like he diagnosed this to like the world

2237
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:33,479
of nineteen twenty eight. Okay, Hitler literally said, quote, the

2238
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:36,719
American Union has created a power factor of such dimensions

2239
02:31:36,719 --> 02:31:39,680
that it threatens to overthrow all previous state power rankings.

2240
02:31:42,639 --> 02:31:45,680
He said, there's probably a question of literal space, you know,

2241
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:52,239
uh gross rum. He made the point that aboriginal elements,

2242
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:56,479
you know, like Native Americans, if you will. Obviously they

2243
02:31:56,520 --> 02:32:00,559
were both divided, you know, by tribe, language, death knows,

2244
02:32:00,840 --> 02:32:03,000
as well as being relatively thin on the ground compared

2245
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:05,399
to the size of the continent. So there were easy

2246
02:32:05,479 --> 02:32:13,959
pickings for you know, a uh, a conquering population animated

2247
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:18,639
by uh you know, kind of an almost theological period

2248
02:32:18,639 --> 02:32:22,719
of a man of his destiny. And also the uh,

2249
02:32:23,479 --> 02:32:26,920
the relationship between the population size and the territory extent.

2250
02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:31,799
It's just like awesome, Like literally it's just massive, you know.

2251
02:32:31,879 --> 02:32:34,639
Like Hitler wrote that this is like inconceivable of the Europeans,

2252
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:37,360
you know, especially because I mean again like Europe. In

2253
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:42,200
the Europe's a tiny peninsula. Really, it's it's got no

2254
02:32:42,959 --> 02:32:47,559
it's impossible to defend it in depth. You know, it's

2255
02:32:47,639 --> 02:32:53,520
got uh you know, no no natural barriers between itself

2256
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:56,319
and you know that the other in the East. You know,

2257
02:32:56,479 --> 02:32:59,959
it's like America's if you're gonna, if you're gonna draw

2258
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:04,879
sort of a perfect geostrategic situation for a people like

2259
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:07,920
you basically draw the United States of America, you know,

2260
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:14,079
like assuming assuming their ops in terms of ability to

2261
02:33:14,120 --> 02:33:18,399
project power are where you know, the British and the

2262
02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:21,719
Spanish were, respectively, when you know, America fought them off

2263
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:24,760
and essentially kicked them out of the the New World.

2264
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:28,600
But uh, you know, it's there's nothing, there's nothing comparable

2265
02:33:28,719 --> 02:33:34,120
to to it in history. And again uh, Hitler was

2266
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:39,120
correct as assessment. He said, the United States had as

2267
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:41,239
of the time of you know, as of the world

2268
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:45,200
of nineteen twenty eight, ninety thirty, probably fifty percent of

2269
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:48,440
the of the available natural resource of this planet. You know,

2270
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:55,719
it's industry not only had you know what it was,

2271
02:33:55,799 --> 02:33:58,040
not only the end of the world, and it captured

2272
02:33:59,399 --> 02:34:01,879
you know, market son on every continent. Even by the

2273
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:05,680
nineteen twenties. But even even if all that went away,

2274
02:34:05,959 --> 02:34:08,879
like even an event of some total emergency, you know,

2275
02:34:09,159 --> 02:34:12,120
if America could had only to rely on its domestic market,

2276
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:15,120
like it could still can still survive and arguably thrive,

2277
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:18,840
you know, like the like if area's internal market was

2278
02:34:20,399 --> 02:34:24,280
was uh, what was greater than the British empires? Like

2279
02:34:24,399 --> 02:34:28,040
an entirety of capital and like that's that's totally insane,

2280
02:34:28,920 --> 02:34:33,799
you know. And uh, Hitler made the point again and

2281
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:36,639
again in my comp or I'm in the second book

2282
02:34:36,719 --> 02:34:43,760
that like European statesmen like don't understand this. And Hitler

2283
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:47,440
then talked about England and America and Germany and race,

2284
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:53,399
and interestingly, again he had a pretty unflattering diagnosis of

2285
02:34:53,440 --> 02:34:57,959
his own people. Hitler said that basically the greatest people

2286
02:34:58,040 --> 02:35:00,799
who ever lived are the Anglo sax He said that

2287
02:35:00,799 --> 02:35:04,000
the Anglo Saxons were truly like the master race, the

2288
02:35:04,079 --> 02:35:06,360
world's like master race the era on which we live,

2289
02:35:06,760 --> 02:35:12,280
like anybody alive. And then then in present okay, he said,

2290
02:35:12,319 --> 02:35:15,239
the key to British power was that you had this

2291
02:35:15,399 --> 02:35:17,799
like you had this like critical racial value of Anglo

2292
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:24,799
Saxon dumb that was able to conquer the political culture

2293
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:30,000
in Britain entirely, uh you know, and then perpetuate itself,

2294
02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:35,120
you know, and kind of developed, uh it developed this

2295
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:39,079
like rigid cast based society where the leadership cast was

2296
02:35:39,239 --> 02:35:44,239
uh it viewed. It's it's like whole raison detra as,

2297
02:35:44,959 --> 02:35:47,879
you know, being like lordship over this enterprise that they

2298
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:50,040
had created that they believed it had been like you know,

2299
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:56,719
conferred upon them by providence. Hitler said that because of

2300
02:35:56,799 --> 02:36:01,479
this sort of cultural and expanation over time and this

2301
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,600
kind of like unwavering like master casts believe in in

2302
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:08,360
the in themselves. He said that. Uh. He said that

2303
02:36:08,440 --> 02:36:11,200
one in with bas able to colonize you know, this

2304
02:36:11,440 --> 02:36:16,200
entire planet. And meanwhile, like their leadership cadres like whoever

2305
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:19,479
saw like the motherland again like maintained like nevertheless their

2306
02:36:19,559 --> 02:36:21,959
link to like the host culture and like to the

2307
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:30,959
Angle Saxon race, which is absolutely true it uh. Hitler said,

2308
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:36,000
you know this is why you know the Angle Saxon

2309
02:36:36,079 --> 02:36:40,479
he's like totally outclassed as like the German of nineteen thirty. Okay,

2310
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,520
he said the other he said, the reason the United

2311
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,479
States is so dangerous is because he said, well, you know,

2312
02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:51,079
he's like the United States said he has said it

2313
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:56,000
a core of this angle Saxon population that was just referenced,

2314
02:36:56,440 --> 02:36:58,760
like when these people saw the like endless horizon of

2315
02:36:58,840 --> 02:37:01,799
the new World, they realized that they could quite literally

2316
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,440
like invent the new world in their own image, you know,

2317
02:37:04,840 --> 02:37:07,879
and they no longer had to take a knee before anybody,

2318
02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:12,520
you know. And he said that the influence, like the

2319
02:37:12,639 --> 02:37:18,280
massed influx of immigration, of immigration from Germany, which by

2320
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:23,879
from from from the treaty wasphalure until it was writing,

2321
02:37:24,159 --> 02:37:27,959
amounted to about six million people. And Hitler said, like

2322
02:37:28,159 --> 02:37:30,440
this was the cream of the crop of like European

2323
02:37:31,159 --> 02:37:34,040
the like of European people, you know. He's like, so

2324
02:37:34,200 --> 02:37:36,319
in America, he's like you had. He's like you have

2325
02:37:36,440 --> 02:37:39,440
this like core of angle, sex and leadership like utterly ruthless,

2326
02:37:39,479 --> 02:37:45,120
utterly committed to its own posterity, like utterly insatiable in

2327
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:48,280
his desire to like dominate the planet. He's like and

2328
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:51,440
like the mentioned material they presided over were basically like

2329
02:37:51,559 --> 02:37:54,479
millions of the best of like you know, Central Europe

2330
02:37:54,520 --> 02:37:57,760
and Germany, you know, who realized like, oh, you're diminishing

2331
02:37:57,879 --> 02:38:00,719
fortunes like on the continent, you know, in those days,

2332
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:03,520
immigranting to America was you were like taking your life

2333
02:38:03,559 --> 02:38:05,479
in your own hands. It was the opposite of today,

2334
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:07,639
where it's like, you know, the world empties out there

2335
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,319
jails and send them to America. You know, like if

2336
02:38:10,319 --> 02:38:14,280
you had like like you could become rich beyond your

2337
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:17,399
wild's dreams in America, but you also might also like

2338
02:38:17,559 --> 02:38:21,440
die you know and like it uh it uh you

2339
02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:25,799
you had to have a tremendous I just surviving the

2340
02:38:25,879 --> 02:38:27,840
journey over here, you know what I mean, Like was

2341
02:38:28,200 --> 02:38:31,239
wasn't ort deal, you know, Saylers said basically like the

2342
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:32,879
people and you get up and go, like got up

2343
02:38:32,920 --> 02:38:34,879
and win. He's like the best of like the white

2344
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:37,479
race like lives in America. He's like, you can't dispute that.

2345
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:40,879
He's like, yeah, there's He's like American culture might be vulgar.

2346
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:44,319
He's like, uh, you know, there might. He's like there

2347
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:47,639
might be like deformities within it. He's like it might

2348
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:50,760
suffer from the absence of uh you know, like like

2349
02:38:50,959 --> 02:38:53,719
like cultural patrons. But he's like, you can't say that

2350
02:38:54,079 --> 02:38:56,239
they're not like the master race, because they are. He's

2351
02:38:56,239 --> 02:38:59,520
like they're the best racial material. And he's like, you know,

2352
02:38:59,680 --> 02:39:02,399
they and he's like there, he's like to that. He's like,

2353
02:39:02,440 --> 02:39:04,319
the Americans are self aware of this. He's like, that's

2354
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:07,120
why they're And he's right, Hitler's writing right with the

2355
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,479
nineteen twenty five immigration acts, and he made the point.

2356
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:12,719
He's like he's like American entire He's like, he's like

2357
02:39:12,760 --> 02:39:15,440
America is continuing to like siphon off like the best

2358
02:39:15,479 --> 02:39:19,280
of Europe. He's like, well, privileging you know, Scandinavians and

2359
02:39:19,360 --> 02:39:22,040
Germans and you know in English, you know, and he's

2360
02:39:22,159 --> 02:39:24,920
like limiting the number of slots and Latins and basically

2361
02:39:24,959 --> 02:39:28,040
excluding like Japanese and Chinese from immigratings. They view them

2362
02:39:28,079 --> 02:39:31,159
as like they're their probable adversaries, you know, in the

2363
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:35,239
kind of great game of of a of a of

2364
02:39:35,360 --> 02:39:37,959
Velt's politique. I mean, all this stuff is true, and

2365
02:39:38,040 --> 02:39:40,639
that is the way the Americans viewed themselves, you know,

2366
02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:46,520
like this and for context, like Hitler literally fought the

2367
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:50,040
American infantry, you know, like as like he was saying,

2368
02:39:50,239 --> 02:39:55,399
like he I mean, it's something it's been said that

2369
02:39:56,079 --> 02:39:59,000
like if you know a race of people, like there's

2370
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,280
no way to know them intimately than if he like

2371
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:05,879
had sex with them. Or killed them. Okay, and there's

2372
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:08,200
something to that. I wouldn't characterize it that way, but

2373
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:12,600
it's not wrong, you know, like the idea like Hill

2374
02:40:12,639 --> 02:40:14,920
the was some bumpkin, It's like, well, apparently he wasn't

2375
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:18,200
man he and he fought, uh, he fought. He literally

2376
02:40:18,280 --> 02:40:23,559
fought the US army, you know, after uh, you know,

2377
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:25,840
after having faced down the British and the French. And

2378
02:40:26,559 --> 02:40:28,399
like what he wrote about in his later years was

2379
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:31,639
how the American army was tough as nails and and

2380
02:40:32,079 --> 02:40:35,440
were these incredibly robust, like like horrid people who were

2381
02:40:35,479 --> 02:40:39,760
like the sons who left us centuries before, you know,

2382
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:43,440
like grown like bigger and stronger and faster and smarter

2383
02:40:43,520 --> 02:40:46,719
than we are, you know, and it was devastating, you know.

2384
02:40:46,760 --> 02:40:49,280
I mean that's he didn't he didn't say something like

2385
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:51,000
that about the Tommy. He didn't say anything like that

2386
02:40:51,159 --> 02:40:54,040
with the French. He was talking about the Americans. You know.

2387
02:40:55,799 --> 02:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Do you think this is why so many people want

2388
02:41:00,559 --> 02:41:04,879
to claim that the book is a forgery, because they've

2389
02:41:05,879 --> 02:41:10,399
basically bought into this romantic notion of the Prussian people

2390
02:41:11,440 --> 02:41:16,600
at the time and and hit the Prussian people being

2391
02:41:16,760 --> 02:41:20,159
the cream of the crop as far as genetics goes,

2392
02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:24,200
and then that Hitler would they're putting words in Hitler's

2393
02:41:24,280 --> 02:41:28,440
mouth so that it would It makes it look like

2394
02:41:29,879 --> 02:41:34,319
Hitler doesn't really like the German people that much. I mean,

2395
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:35,719
that's that's what it sounds like.

2396
02:41:36,159 --> 02:41:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of it, and I mean

2397
02:41:39,479 --> 02:41:42,920
it's yeah, I think it's part of it. But it's

2398
02:41:42,959 --> 02:41:44,479
all the too. It's like some of these people are

2399
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:46,920
just guys. You claim everything, like literally everything is fake,

2400
02:41:47,079 --> 02:41:48,639
Like I remember what it is they claim it's fak

2401
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:53,120
Like is the guys who think that like like Joe

2402
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:56,239
Biden is is like a hologram we never landed on

2403
02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:58,879
the moon, Like if you tell him, like you eat

2404
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:01,360
corn flakes, but broke fls like none other people man,

2405
02:42:01,559 --> 02:42:04,040
Like you know you don't believe that, bro' you're like brainwashed, bro,

2406
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:06,799
Like the second books are fake, like Hitler was fake.

2407
02:42:07,159 --> 02:42:09,559
Hitler was like this Jewish gig guy, Like he was fake, bro.

2408
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:11,719
I mean, I think it's part of it's just like that,

2409
02:42:12,559 --> 02:42:15,639
but part of it. Yeah, Like people at the point

2410
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:17,319
before that, a lot of these guys who claim to

2411
02:42:17,399 --> 02:42:20,559
be like national socialists or like or like or like

2412
02:42:20,639 --> 02:42:22,680
the like I just like to trol people by like

2413
02:42:23,959 --> 02:42:26,200
wearing a Swasa goa and they really know what it means.

2414
02:42:26,600 --> 02:42:28,639
They got this, like they got this like cartoon idea

2415
02:42:28,639 --> 02:42:32,040
of Hitler is basically what like the word apartment of

2416
02:42:32,239 --> 02:42:34,760
like nineteen forty one said he was. They just like

2417
02:42:34,840 --> 02:42:37,680
claim that's cool, not that that's bad. So I mean, yeah,

2418
02:42:37,680 --> 02:42:40,520
I think part of it is that these fools like

2419
02:42:40,600 --> 02:42:42,760
they want to pretend Hitler was like this Darth Vader

2420
02:42:42,879 --> 02:42:46,680
type figure like as a ledge and not actually like

2421
02:42:46,760 --> 02:42:49,399
a thoughtful person with like a critical view of his

2422
02:42:49,479 --> 02:42:52,360
own kind and stuff. But it you know, but it's

2423
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:56,879
also but also you know Hitler, Hitler came from the

2424
02:42:56,959 --> 02:42:59,520
halfstory Empire, or like the frontier of it halfsfory Empire

2425
02:42:59,559 --> 02:43:02,399
was a fucking mess. I mean, it's fascinating. If I

2426
02:43:02,440 --> 02:43:04,200
had a time machine, like I said, I'd want to

2427
02:43:04,239 --> 02:43:06,719
go back, among other places, the Vienna in like nineteen

2428
02:43:06,799 --> 02:43:09,360
ten to check it out, because like that that kind

2429
02:43:09,360 --> 02:43:12,639
of decadent Baroque architecture is that's like really cool and

2430
02:43:12,760 --> 02:43:16,440
like there's like very cool things about it. But you know,

2431
02:43:16,520 --> 02:43:18,399
it's like something out of like a fairy tale or something.

2432
02:43:18,639 --> 02:43:21,319
But it's a total it was totally dysfunctional, you know,

2433
02:43:21,399 --> 02:43:23,000
like that can't you can't, I mean, and that was

2434
02:43:23,079 --> 02:43:25,280
really kind of the that was kind of the prime

2435
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:29,079
the distilled essence of like decadent, like dysfunctional, like twentieth

2436
02:43:29,159 --> 02:43:31,920
century Europe. You know. So Hitler's like, this is what

2437
02:43:32,040 --> 02:43:34,760
our problem is, you know, and there's a reason why

2438
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:38,520
he like refused to be drafted by the Habsburg Army

2439
02:43:38,559 --> 02:43:41,479
and went enjoined the German Army. That wasn't like an accident,

2440
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:44,079
you know, like it wasn't because like, oh Hitler was

2441
02:43:44,120 --> 02:43:45,040
such a big racist.

2442
02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like no, like.

2443
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Little one said that being a less Someone.

2444
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:53,639
Speaker 1: Claimed, can you answer this? Someone claimed that the only

2445
02:43:53,799 --> 02:43:56,920
reason you think the second book is authentic is because

2446
02:43:57,200 --> 02:44:01,280
you're taking the word of Gerhard Weinberg. And Gerhard Weinberg

2447
02:44:01,360 --> 02:44:03,719
also said David Hogan was full of shit? So is

2448
02:44:03,799 --> 02:44:04,559
that true too?

2449
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:09,399
Speaker 2: I mean, various people like saw the second book. He

2450
02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:12,159
talked to Hess about the second book, He discussed its

2451
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:18,280
contents with Rim and traup with Gerbels. He Uh openly

2452
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:21,239
discussed on the campaign trail in twenty eight I view

2453
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:23,559
myself as a writer and I'm writing my second book,

2454
02:44:23,959 --> 02:44:28,079
Like what yeah, I mean, what what what what? What's

2455
02:44:28,079 --> 02:44:30,079
the evidence that it's a fake other than that, like

2456
02:44:30,239 --> 02:44:32,079
guys in the internet say it's fake. I mean, like

2457
02:44:32,079 --> 02:44:37,120
I don't like what I I don't think it's fake.

2458
02:44:37,239 --> 02:44:38,440
I have no reason to think that it is.

2459
02:44:39,799 --> 02:44:44,239
Speaker 1: Like what it's it's romanticism. It's it's there. It destroys

2460
02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:46,879
some kind of romantic notion that they have.

2461
02:44:48,200 --> 02:44:52,360
Speaker 2: Apparently, yeah, yeah, it's uh but yeah, it's I realized

2462
02:44:52,399 --> 02:44:57,159
we're coming up on uh the oh well, I'll write

2463
02:44:57,319 --> 02:45:03,040
up soon. But it's also to like the you know,

2464
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:06,079
conspiculously absence. I make this point just because like court

2465
02:45:06,200 --> 02:45:11,280
history is so like demented on this point. You know,

2466
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:12,760
you know, you want to One thing Hitler does not

2467
02:45:12,879 --> 02:45:15,200
mention at all in the second book is like black

2468
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:18,200
people in America is like racial situation. He's just like

2469
02:45:18,280 --> 02:45:20,639
he has no interest in it. Like he did say

2470
02:45:20,920 --> 02:45:22,799
that the only time he ever spoke about like slavery

2471
02:45:22,840 --> 02:45:26,440
in America was he said, quote like transplanting transplanting of

2472
02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:29,239
millions of African Negroes the American continents as an example

2473
02:45:29,239 --> 02:45:32,479
of the quote barbarian custom. You know, because he said,

2474
02:45:32,520 --> 02:45:33,840
I mean, but that was like the view of like

2475
02:45:33,840 --> 02:45:39,000
a lot of people like just like you know, but

2476
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,600
he didn't this idea like Hitler was sitting around like

2477
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:43,840
like hating on black people. They are like obsessed with

2478
02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:46,799
like race like in that regard, like he that's totally

2479
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:50,760
that's literally retarded, but it's you know, and if anything too,

2480
02:45:51,000 --> 02:45:54,319
like the the traditional understanding is that you know, like

2481
02:45:54,440 --> 02:45:57,399
the like the Germans like like sympathized with like the

2482
02:45:57,520 --> 02:46:00,879
North and kind of like the Union like national economic paradigm,

2483
02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:03,920
you know, Hamiltonian economics and and all of that. Like

2484
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,040
the idea that they were like neo Confederates is like

2485
02:46:06,120 --> 02:46:14,159
literally demented. But you know, he and like most importantly,

2486
02:46:14,200 --> 02:46:18,520
I think too not like Hitler spoke in the table talk,

2487
02:46:18,760 --> 02:46:22,680
you'll you'll glean this as well as other places. According

2488
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:25,559
to the second book, like Hitler talked about the American

2489
02:46:25,719 --> 02:46:28,600
dream like now he didn't use those words, but uh

2490
02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:33,079
he said, quote, the European of today dreams of a

2491
02:46:33,159 --> 02:46:36,120
living standard which might be possible in Europe but actually

2492
02:46:36,159 --> 02:46:41,399
exists in America. The American simply lives on average better

2493
02:46:41,440 --> 02:46:45,600
than we do, you know, And uh he made the point.

2494
02:46:45,639 --> 02:46:48,159
That's why he emphasized like motorizations so much and saying

2495
02:46:48,200 --> 02:46:50,479
like every German is gonna like have an automobile, like

2496
02:46:50,559 --> 02:46:53,760
a family car. Like Stalin famously said that like, oh

2497
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,879
this these these this film of like American workers like driving,

2498
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:59,840
is this is all propaganda? That's not possible, you know,

2499
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:02,440
because like it seemed it seemed like science fiction to

2500
02:47:02,520 --> 02:47:05,280
people in the old world, you know. And Hitler is like,

2501
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:08,079
you know, we gotta like basically like we've got to

2502
02:47:08,799 --> 02:47:11,239
where we're We're we're gonna have an autobond, Like we're

2503
02:47:11,239 --> 02:47:15,399
gonna we're gonna have, you know, a continent. We're gonna

2504
02:47:15,399 --> 02:47:17,760
we're we're gonna have our own manifest desity in the East.

2505
02:47:18,079 --> 02:47:20,399
You like we're gonna have a space program. Berlin is

2506
02:47:20,440 --> 02:47:22,559
gonna be, you know, like a capital of the world,

2507
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:27,120
you know, like he his his competitor was America. You know,

2508
02:47:27,559 --> 02:47:31,879
it's but this and I mean granted, like it wasn't

2509
02:47:32,079 --> 02:47:36,920
un qualified, you know, like he uh he talked about

2510
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:40,719
the parvenu culture in America that was uh and he

2511
02:47:40,879 --> 02:47:45,079
uh famously like he uh he mentioned one time like

2512
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:49,840
some some like Robert Baron type had mocked up like

2513
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:52,920
a faux palace at Versailles as like his house and

2514
02:47:53,239 --> 02:47:55,920
what I think, uh, like Life Magazine like exhibited it

2515
02:47:56,040 --> 02:47:58,280
like this was really cool. You know. Hitler's like, you know,

2516
02:47:58,360 --> 02:48:01,680
this is this is this is you know this this

2517
02:48:01,799 --> 02:48:05,280
is bullshit, you know, but uh, you know this idea

2518
02:48:05,360 --> 02:48:07,799
that and he said to like a lot of you

2519
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:10,239
said in America had some great things that came out

2520
02:48:10,280 --> 02:48:12,719
of Hollywood and some great music, but also had some

2521
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:15,040
like decadent bullshit you know what they called what he

2522
02:48:15,079 --> 02:48:17,360
called race music. I mean, that's just what people call

2523
02:48:17,440 --> 02:48:19,319
it then. But his idea that like you just say,

2524
02:48:19,360 --> 02:48:23,719
contempt for America was like it is totally asinine, you know,

2525
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:29,000
and the uh you know, and it's and I mean

2526
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:31,040
at the end of the day too, like I again,

2527
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:39,079
like even the uh Germany's geostrategic exposed. Oh and interestingly

2528
02:48:39,159 --> 02:48:42,360
too like Hill, you know what I mean, Hitler said, uh,

2529
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:49,280
it was Europe's literally impossible to defend in depth even

2530
02:48:49,319 --> 02:48:51,639
at the nineteen fourteen border and restored it wouldn't matter.

2531
02:48:52,639 --> 02:48:56,840
And you know, he said, we're Germany's quote surrounded completely

2532
02:48:56,920 --> 02:48:59,879
hemmed in. You know, he said more over in the

2533
02:49:00,079 --> 02:49:02,399
Age the Airplane, you know, he said, like any German

2534
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:04,840
population center can be struck in a matter of hours,

2535
02:49:05,280 --> 02:49:08,000
you know what I mean. Like it's like again like

2536
02:49:08,079 --> 02:49:12,120
this idea that like like Americans just don't understand this.

2537
02:49:12,159 --> 02:49:16,200
It's like I realize that when people when this like

2538
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:20,360
the Zionist war against Russia commenced in twenty twenty two,

2539
02:49:20,479 --> 02:49:22,600
like where it was the politics, like people act like

2540
02:49:23,559 --> 02:49:26,719
like allowing standoff weapons to be based like two hundred

2541
02:49:26,799 --> 02:49:30,399
miles from your capital like that, like that's not an

2542
02:49:30,440 --> 02:49:32,399
act of war or that's not like an existential threat

2543
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:36,120
to your existence. You know. It's like I I don't

2544
02:49:36,159 --> 02:49:38,040
think people understand like that. I think people think that

2545
02:49:38,120 --> 02:49:39,959
like everyone else in this planet is like some version

2546
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:43,120
of America. It's like the size of a continent, you know,

2547
02:49:43,239 --> 02:49:47,000
like any you know, any any any military enemies you

2548
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:49,799
have or basically you know, like a thousand miles away

2549
02:49:49,879 --> 02:49:54,879
at minimum, Like I don't think they as the crow

2550
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:59,600
flies in nineteen twenty eight, like the border of check

2551
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:04,239
Us border of Czechoslovakia was now the Czech Republic Ti Berlin.

2552
02:50:06,360 --> 02:50:08,520
I mean, it's it's like it's less than two hours,

2553
02:50:08,600 --> 02:50:12,040
like by car if I'm not mistaken, you know, it's

2554
02:50:12,079 --> 02:50:15,680
like this this idea that like oh, you know, allowing

2555
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:19,920
uh you know, allowing the French to base whatever aircraft

2556
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:24,399
they can devise, you know, uh, an hour or so

2557
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:26,639
from our capitol. Like, that's no problem. You know, we

2558
02:50:26,719 --> 02:50:28,760
we'd be warmongers if we objected to that. Like I

2559
02:50:29,840 --> 02:50:37,440
it's completely it's completely insane. But I uh, you know

2560
02:50:37,600 --> 02:50:42,760
that's uh. And that's also too like something I uh

2561
02:50:47,360 --> 02:50:51,559
And Sims makes this point too, one of the uh,

2562
02:50:55,239 --> 02:50:57,120
one of the one of the reasons for the at

2563
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:59,639
least in the Hitler's case, one of them, like his

2564
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:02,879
personal perspective, one of the reasons for the brutality in

2565
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:08,200
the East, the aust frauds. Uh. Obviously, it's the ideological

2566
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:12,760
challenge of communism which just had to be eradicated in

2567
02:51:12,840 --> 02:51:18,399
the estimation of the the national socialist culture. The fact

2568
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:20,920
that you know, the Soviet Union declared like it it

2569
02:51:21,479 --> 02:51:25,159
didn't honor any you know, any any laws and convention

2570
02:51:25,239 --> 02:51:27,639
of the customs of war. It only abides its own

2571
02:51:27,639 --> 02:51:34,920
revolutionary imperatives. But also, you know, the the contiguous comminal

2572
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:39,440
space Germany needed. I mean that it wasn't that Germany

2573
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:44,280
hated like quote hated Slavs, but that the Nazis hated Slavs. Categorically,

2574
02:51:45,879 --> 02:51:48,479
and Hitler even said in the second book he said,

2575
02:51:48,479 --> 02:51:53,360
at a future time, if the Bolshevik yoke you know

2576
02:51:53,440 --> 02:51:55,479
what what he called, like you know, the like the

2577
02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:01,639
the you know of Russian national rather the Jewish capital orientation,

2578
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:05,120
in Hitler's words, could come to pass in Russia, like

2579
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:06,920
it wouldn't be off the table for some kind of

2580
02:52:06,959 --> 02:52:09,200
alliance with the Russians in the future. But that's not

2581
02:52:09,280 --> 02:52:12,479
where we're at now, and right now we're facing oblivion.

2582
02:52:12,959 --> 02:52:16,399
I mean, that was really the that that was really

2583
02:52:16,440 --> 02:52:18,959
the what underlay the kind of like Ras and Creek

2584
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:20,760
in the East more than anything. It's not we hate

2585
02:52:20,840 --> 02:52:23,719
Slavs and let's annihilate them because we hate them. And

2586
02:52:23,799 --> 02:52:25,959
I was glad that Sims made that point. That's not

2587
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,719
gonna be wrong. There were, especially among the ranks of

2588
02:52:28,760 --> 02:52:32,920
Baltic Germans, people like Rosenberg and Prussians who had been

2589
02:52:33,040 --> 02:52:35,399
like marinated in kind of the culture of Ras and

2590
02:52:35,479 --> 02:52:38,440
Kreeg I mean, because like they that's what their people

2591
02:52:38,639 --> 02:52:43,600
steeped in for centuries. They did hate Russians, and I'm

2592
02:52:43,600 --> 02:52:46,239
sure they viewed them as sub human, but it's generally

2593
02:52:46,440 --> 02:52:50,719
like that wasn't you know that that that that wasn't

2594
02:52:50,959 --> 02:52:53,399
like some there was some like grand racial theory of

2595
02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:56,079
like why the Slavs are some human or something. If

2596
02:52:56,120 --> 02:53:01,200
that's yeah, we're we're up on the hour. I think, uh,

2597
02:53:03,239 --> 02:53:08,280
I think, uh, I think is this said on the

2598
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:10,479
subject or do you yeah, we can do I think

2599
02:53:10,520 --> 02:53:13,520
I think a concluding episode might be good, but because

2600
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:15,040
I still have some more to say, but I don't wanna.

2601
02:53:15,079 --> 02:53:16,760
I don't want to sell you your business in terms

2602
02:53:16,799 --> 02:53:18,479
of no, no problem.

2603
02:53:18,959 --> 02:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wrapping this up one to wrap this

2604
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:25,639
up would be great. Do some plugs and uh we'll

2605
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:25,920
end it.

2606
02:53:27,319 --> 02:53:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, you can find me at Thomas seven

2607
02:53:30,120 --> 02:53:32,799
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02:53:32,959 --> 02:53:37,360
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2609
02:53:37,399 --> 02:53:41,280
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2610
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:47,399
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2611
02:53:47,479 --> 02:53:49,639
gum Road. I'm populating my gum Road of stuff in

2612
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:53,159
the next couple of weeks. To keep an eye out

2613
02:53:53,239 --> 02:53:55,040
for that. I'll like shout that uh when there's like

2614
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,719
more stuff on it. But uh, the main place to

2615
02:53:57,799 --> 02:54:00,440
find me in the and find my podcast is so stack.

2616
02:54:00,559 --> 02:54:03,360
It's real Thomas seven seven seven dot subseack dot com.

2617
02:54:04,399 --> 02:54:04,840
You know what I mean?

2618
02:54:04,959 --> 02:54:09,479
Speaker 1: Like seeking you fine, appreciate it till the next time.

2619
02:54:09,639 --> 02:54:13,360
Thank you. I likewise, man, I want to welcome everyone

2620
02:54:13,479 --> 02:54:16,440
back to the Pekingiana Show at Thomas. How are you doing?

2621
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:19,920
Speaker 2: I've been doing well. I realized I kind of look

2622
02:54:19,959 --> 02:54:22,520
like a hobo, like I'm getting over a really severe

2623
02:54:22,639 --> 02:54:25,920
flare up. So I I'm not one hundred percent, So

2624
02:54:26,079 --> 02:54:28,760
that's what's going on. I didn't. I didn't just like

2625
02:54:28,879 --> 02:54:31,000
sleep in my clothes last night and then like drag

2626
02:54:31,079 --> 02:54:34,959
myself over to my computer, even if it looks that way,

2627
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:37,159
So forgive me for that.

2628
02:54:38,440 --> 02:54:41,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if we, uh, since this is a wrap

2629
02:54:41,200 --> 02:54:42,879
up show, if it needs to be a little bit shorter,

2630
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:47,040
that's fine, but I think it'll be okay. Why don't okay,

2631
02:54:48,079 --> 02:54:49,200
how do you want to finish up this?

2632
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:55,719
Speaker 2: Uh? I wanted to do a retrospective on Hitler's character

2633
02:54:55,799 --> 02:54:59,319
a bit because the main biography is of Hitler that

2634
02:54:59,360 --> 02:55:04,799
are accepted by court historians or Ian Kershaw, Alan Bulock,

2635
02:55:05,239 --> 02:55:09,319
Jakhaim Fest and John Toland, although Totland increasingly, I mean

2636
02:55:09,360 --> 02:55:13,079
he's he's been dead for many years, but increasingly he's

2637
02:55:13,159 --> 02:55:18,600
no longer considered part of the canon because he you know,

2638
02:55:21,159 --> 02:55:24,639
he people who want to finesse their ideological predators would

2639
02:55:24,639 --> 02:55:27,079
say like, oh, he humanizes Hitler or he minimizes the

2640
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:33,840
severity of you know, the purported you know, fish is

2641
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:38,520
evil in things. But if you're gonna deal with Hitler

2642
02:55:38,600 --> 02:55:41,319
in any meaningful capacity, you kind of have to wig.

2643
02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:44,319
You kind of have to wait, you have to you

2644
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:51,360
have to rebut those allegations and and that kind that

2645
02:55:51,719 --> 02:55:55,520
those kinds of specious claims. But you know, if you're

2646
02:55:55,559 --> 02:55:58,559
dealing with any uh tyrant or any warlord or any

2647
02:55:59,559 --> 02:56:04,680
or any great leader, you've got to You've got to

2648
02:56:04,680 --> 02:56:09,559
both identify his analogs and you've also got to identify

2649
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:16,399
what sort of psychological processes, particularly symbolic psychological processes, animated

2650
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:23,000
him and his vision. Okay, and this is controversial even

2651
02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:27,440
for people, uh supposedly on the right, Like I read this.

2652
02:56:29,879 --> 02:56:32,440
I've been reading a lot of Hitler biographies lately owing

2653
02:56:32,520 --> 02:56:35,719
to my manuscripts, and I'm writing too many scripts. I'm

2654
02:56:35,760 --> 02:56:38,159
working on steel Storm, but I'm writing this Nuremberg book.

2655
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:45,440
And I realized that character evidence of the equivalent isn't

2656
02:56:45,479 --> 02:56:49,239
just positive anything, and it's not even formally admissible, but

2657
02:56:50,120 --> 02:56:53,799
so much of the Nurmeric indictment kind of orbited around

2658
02:56:54,719 --> 02:56:57,159
what supposedly was in the mind of the fure as,

2659
02:56:57,280 --> 02:57:02,360
like the seminal command authority, that something has got to

2660
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:04,680
be addressed. So you know, it's just kind of refleshing,

2661
02:57:05,559 --> 02:57:09,600
refreshing my recollection, you know, kind of on what on

2662
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:15,360
what the primary claims are. And Russell Stolfi's book, which

2663
02:57:15,399 --> 02:57:18,120
is a splendid rebuttal that I was reading this really

2664
02:57:18,159 --> 02:57:21,440
good review by this guy who uh, I think periodically

2665
02:57:21,479 --> 02:57:25,120
writes for Countercurrence, and I got like halfway through it

2666
02:57:25,360 --> 02:57:27,360
and then he uh and then starts shrieking about how

2667
02:57:27,479 --> 02:57:31,399
awful it is that Stulfi claimed that Mohammed was an

2668
02:57:31,440 --> 02:57:33,920
analog the Hitler. I mean, apparently this guy has got

2669
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:37,719
some like kosherized prejudice against Moslims or something, and that's

2670
02:57:37,799 --> 02:57:40,799
that's that's a completely fucking idiotic that like people still

2671
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:43,719
think that way, or that they essentially just kind of

2672
02:57:43,719 --> 02:57:47,159
apply those same conceptual biases just you know, kind of

2673
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:51,360
with reverse colors. The historical analysis. I mean, plus like

2674
02:57:51,440 --> 02:57:53,680
Muhammad was a great man, you know, like they can't

2675
02:57:55,239 --> 02:57:59,920
he wasn't uh, he wasn't what is Uh believers think

2676
02:58:00,079 --> 02:58:03,079
that he was. But and it's not some slam and

2677
02:58:03,159 --> 02:58:05,559
Moslims either, you know, they worship the same God I do.

2678
02:58:05,879 --> 02:58:10,319
However incomplete their interpretation is But saying like Muhammad wasn't

2679
02:58:10,440 --> 02:58:11,799
one of the greatest mane of relave, it was like

2680
02:58:11,840 --> 02:58:15,440
saying Julius Caesar was a second Raiders is idiotic. But

2681
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:23,440
moving on from the kind of tangential complaint, I believe

2682
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:30,239
and even if I didn't what historians claim, which makes sense,

2683
02:58:30,360 --> 02:58:32,239
even if they weren't dealing with a figure, it's kinda

2684
02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:37,959
monumental and controversial as Hitler, you know, like the man

2685
02:58:38,079 --> 02:58:43,520
Hitler became was kind of that kind of character trajectory

2686
02:58:43,600 --> 02:58:46,520
was set when he was about eighteen years old, which

2687
02:58:46,600 --> 02:58:49,000
is generally the case, especially for males. I think, like

2688
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:52,959
when I kind of develop the sort of visionary ambitions.

2689
02:58:53,280 --> 02:58:55,120
But you know, that was right when Hitler his mother died.

2690
02:58:56,120 --> 02:59:00,239
And that's also when he you know, suffered as first

2691
02:59:00,360 --> 02:59:06,840
major disappointment when he applied to the Vienna School of

2692
02:59:06,920 --> 02:59:10,120
Fine Arts, at which Hitler was not rejected for being

2693
02:59:10,120 --> 02:59:11,959
a quote terrible artist. He was told that he was

2694
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:15,840
a great architect, but that you know, he obviously for

2695
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:18,639
his skill set lay so that you know, he was

2696
02:59:18,799 --> 02:59:21,319
he was accepted into the architecture program and told that,

2697
02:59:21,440 --> 02:59:26,959
you know, fine arts were not really his forte and a. Uh.

2698
02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:31,559
Not having attended a real school and not having the

2699
02:59:31,639 --> 02:59:38,399
credentials to pursue that alternate track, you know, that basically

2700
02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:44,840
cut off it career trajectory unless he's able to find

2701
02:59:44,879 --> 02:59:47,399
somebody to kind of act as a patron and in

2702
02:59:47,479 --> 02:59:53,239
a strange city, that wasn't very likely. But the one

2703
02:59:53,280 --> 02:59:55,600
of the things that's claimed about Hitler is that, oh, well,

2704
02:59:56,680 --> 02:59:59,760
you know, Hitler had this had this unhealthy relationship with

2705
02:59:59,799 --> 03:00:02,440
his and then I mean this kind of things like

2706
03:00:02,479 --> 03:00:05,719
steeped in like Freudian nonsense. Obviously, these kinds of claims,

2707
03:00:06,319 --> 03:00:10,520
but that also that doctor Block, who was an oncologist

2708
03:00:10,559 --> 03:00:13,719
who treated Hitler's mom, that oh, Hitler obviously came to

2709
03:00:13,799 --> 03:00:16,000
hate Jews because Block was a Jew and just blamed

2710
03:00:16,079 --> 03:00:18,040
him for the death of his mother. That's not at

2711
03:00:18,040 --> 03:00:20,680
all true, and Hitler actually thought really highly of doctor Block.

2712
03:00:24,319 --> 03:00:26,879
In a rebuttal to that kind of off repeated claim,

2713
03:00:28,319 --> 03:00:33,159
Block said the Colliers magazine during the war, he said,

2714
03:00:33,559 --> 03:00:36,000
I'm probably like the most privileged jew like you'll find

2715
03:00:36,040 --> 03:00:38,079
in Germany row after you today. I don't believe that's

2716
03:00:38,079 --> 03:00:42,239
an accident. And when Hitler told me that he owed

2717
03:00:42,280 --> 03:00:45,360
me a great debt of honor for caring for his mother,

2718
03:00:45,440 --> 03:00:49,559
apparently he was sincere. Okay, that's straight from the horse's mouth.

2719
03:00:50,719 --> 03:00:57,000
But I do believe Hitler's upbringing was very strange. You know,

2720
03:00:57,079 --> 03:01:00,879
Hitler's father, Elwis, he kind of because amplified what was

2721
03:01:00,959 --> 03:01:05,040
wrong with the Hasbury Empire. And something Toland says, which

2722
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:09,360
I think is not off base, is that, you know,

2723
03:01:09,479 --> 03:01:11,959
Hitler Elois was a tyrant. He was just kind of

2724
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:15,840
a mean guy. He beat his family, especially Hitler's older brother,

2725
03:01:16,239 --> 03:01:20,239
Elowis Junior. Elowis Junior was Hitler's ad brother, and uh,

2726
03:01:20,479 --> 03:01:25,159
his father terrorized him. And you know, Elowis ran away

2727
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:27,440
from home at fourteen and never came home, which speaks

2728
03:01:27,440 --> 03:01:33,079
for himself. But you know, uh, after Alowis ran away,

2729
03:01:34,159 --> 03:01:36,120
Hitler was kind of the brunt of his of his

2730
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:40,840
dad's you know, kind of bullying, and his dad was

2731
03:01:40,879 --> 03:01:43,920
a Hitler wasn't poor, despite what some people claim either

2732
03:01:44,120 --> 03:01:48,920
like the family was solidly middle class. Hitler's father was.

2733
03:01:49,239 --> 03:01:53,879
He joined the border guards or the Customs Service with

2734
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:58,760
the frontier guards. Like basically like uh think like kind

2735
03:01:58,760 --> 03:02:03,000
of homeland security meets some immigrations and customs enforcement. So

2736
03:02:03,079 --> 03:02:07,840
he's basically a cop. You know. He joined this, he

2737
03:02:07,959 --> 03:02:11,360
joined up at eighteen, retired at fifty eight. You know,

2738
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:13,360
so he had this like solid pension and he was

2739
03:02:13,440 --> 03:02:14,959
you know, uh, he had a lot of he had

2740
03:02:14,959 --> 03:02:21,559
a lot of clout like within that institution, and you know,

2741
03:02:22,280 --> 03:02:25,079
like Hitler reviewed him as this kind of like is

2742
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:28,000
this kind of like crud ignoramus who had sort of

2743
03:02:28,079 --> 03:02:31,520
like a reverence for authority for its own sake, you know.

2744
03:02:33,440 --> 03:02:35,159
In those days, we'll get into this. He was actually

2745
03:02:35,239 --> 03:02:39,280
illegal to sing the German national anthem. It was illegal

2746
03:02:39,319 --> 03:02:43,719
to display images of Bismarck and other like patriotic iconography.

2747
03:02:44,799 --> 03:02:48,000
You know. The we talk we talked about the nationalities

2748
03:02:48,079 --> 03:02:51,360
problem in in the Soviet Union, like the Habsburg Empire

2749
03:02:51,479 --> 03:02:55,559
had the worst nationalities problem like ever seen. Okay, so

2750
03:02:56,360 --> 03:03:00,280
there was this kind of like authoritarian bureaucracy that was

2751
03:03:00,319 --> 03:03:04,920
aiming at suppressing like everybody's you know, kind of nationalist

2752
03:03:05,120 --> 03:03:08,559
or or self consciously like ethnic feeling. Ye know, so

2753
03:03:08,879 --> 03:03:14,280
Hitler's mind, I'm very early on. Hitler was self consciously German,

2754
03:03:15,280 --> 03:03:16,959
which makes a lot of sense. You know, this kid

2755
03:03:17,000 --> 03:03:19,440
who was who lived on the frontier of the Habsburg Empire,

2756
03:03:20,120 --> 03:03:23,760
you know, basically, you know, as a minority, you're on

2757
03:03:23,879 --> 03:03:26,200
a you know, around a bunch of other minorities. But

2758
03:03:28,159 --> 03:03:31,079
I don't think it's off base to suggests that one

2759
03:03:31,079 --> 03:03:33,200
of the reasons Hitler came to hate the Habsburg regime,

2760
03:03:33,559 --> 03:03:36,360
like not the emperor himself, like a or anything like that,

2761
03:03:36,600 --> 03:03:39,000
but just like, you know, the regime that propped it up.

2762
03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:41,159
He identified dad with his dad, who really was just

2763
03:03:41,239 --> 03:03:46,079
like a bully, you know. And Hitler's dad died, you know,

2764
03:03:46,159 --> 03:03:48,120
when Hitler was thirteen years old. He just had like

2765
03:03:48,120 --> 03:03:51,719
a massive heart attack. You know. On the one hand, uh,

2766
03:03:52,600 --> 03:03:54,639
On the one hand, that kind of freed the family

2767
03:03:54,799 --> 03:04:01,280
from his from his British tyranny. But you know, he

2768
03:04:01,719 --> 03:04:04,440
the family got a pretty They didn't fall into punery

2769
03:04:04,559 --> 03:04:07,399
or anything, because they had like a decent pension. But

2770
03:04:08,799 --> 03:04:12,879
Hitler's older brother had run away years before Hitler's Uh,

2771
03:04:14,079 --> 03:04:18,680
four younger siblings of Hitler's had died. You know. Hitler's mom,

2772
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:21,479
even before she got cancer, was kind of unwell you know,

2773
03:04:21,559 --> 03:04:23,479
Hitler was like the man of the house at thirteen

2774
03:04:23,559 --> 03:04:26,920
years old. You know, it's not that there was not

2775
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:33,159
an easy thing, you know. So this idea too that

2776
03:04:33,280 --> 03:04:34,920
Hitler was just this kind of like a lay about

2777
03:04:35,239 --> 03:04:39,280
like idiot or something who you know just uh, you know,

2778
03:04:39,319 --> 03:04:41,479
had an act to grind with his deity and and

2779
03:04:41,639 --> 03:04:43,799
wasn't doing anything and in his in this kind of

2780
03:04:43,840 --> 03:04:47,520
care free ado lessons as regards you know, real responsibility.

2781
03:04:47,639 --> 03:04:55,040
Like that's that's nonsense too, But uh, what's fair thing

2782
03:04:55,079 --> 03:04:59,680
to me is that some of these formative uh things

2783
03:04:59,879 --> 03:05:06,959
like not just fascinations but conceptual but by like conceptual fixations,

2784
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:12,079
like he emerged like around this time, like before after

2785
03:05:12,200 --> 03:05:15,399
Allows senior ed retired, Like he tried he bought this

2786
03:05:15,520 --> 03:05:18,280
like gentleman's farm. You know, he's try and kind of

2787
03:05:18,319 --> 03:05:21,719
live this kind of country squire life or something. And

2788
03:05:21,879 --> 03:05:24,639
like the farm failed because you know, Elwis didn't know

2789
03:05:24,639 --> 03:05:27,239
what he was doing and he actually was Alwis actually

2790
03:05:27,280 --> 03:05:29,079
was kind of drunkly about, you know, like when he

2791
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:34,000
wasn't you know, doing his border guard you know, policeman thing.

2792
03:05:34,319 --> 03:05:42,559
But uh, the after uh, after that, the family moved

2793
03:05:44,280 --> 03:05:48,360
to uh this apartment house goes right across from this

2794
03:05:48,440 --> 03:05:54,680
Benedictine monastery and the school year of eighteen ninety seven

2795
03:05:54,719 --> 03:06:01,200
eighteen ninety eight, Hitler, Uh, the path he walked to

2796
03:06:01,280 --> 03:06:08,559
school of went, it went, it went through this gate

2797
03:06:10,520 --> 03:06:17,840
abudding the Benedictine premises, specifically the monastery, and there's a

2798
03:06:17,959 --> 03:06:20,520
stone arch in the center of it, and like very

2799
03:06:20,559 --> 03:06:23,280
prominently was carved uh in the monastery's coat of arms,

2800
03:06:23,319 --> 03:06:27,239
like a swastika, which I I don't think that's accidental

2801
03:06:27,559 --> 03:06:30,319
that you know that, Uh that and that's why I

2802
03:06:30,399 --> 03:06:32,319
raised the people who say, like, no, Hitler was signaling

2803
03:06:32,360 --> 03:06:34,760
with these people in the tool society that you know,

2804
03:06:34,879 --> 03:06:38,079
he he was some of a culted pagan Like no, no, no,

2805
03:06:38,440 --> 03:06:45,559
that's not the case. And swats guys were ubiquitous and

2806
03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:53,040
in in medieval and Gothic freezes and things, and uh,

2807
03:06:53,360 --> 03:06:55,760
the kind of Gothic, the kind of mini Gothic revival

2808
03:06:56,600 --> 03:07:00,280
you know that was emergent, you know, really for a

2809
03:07:00,319 --> 03:07:03,719
few decades, you know, from about like the eighteen seventies

2810
03:07:03,799 --> 03:07:05,120
or eighties. I'm not I'm not at all like an

2811
03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:09,000
architectural historian or anything, but you know, approximately around the

2812
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:10,920
time when you know, like Hitler was coming up, that

2813
03:07:11,239 --> 03:07:13,680
that kind of thing was still prominent, particularly and in

2814
03:07:13,799 --> 03:07:16,600
some of the kind of suburbs and exurbs of Central

2815
03:07:16,680 --> 03:07:21,719
Europe from these you know, from these baroque cities of course,

2816
03:07:21,799 --> 03:07:33,520
like Vienna. But it's and interestingly Helene Hofstangle, who is

2817
03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:39,159
Putsy Hofstangle's wife, I mean obviously in Hofstangle. Hofstangle was

2818
03:07:39,239 --> 03:07:41,559
kind of a buffoon, and he became very much, uh,

2819
03:07:42,040 --> 03:07:45,159
on the outs with Hitler, and even even when he

2820
03:07:45,360 --> 03:07:48,360
was even when he was in the good graces of

2821
03:07:49,879 --> 03:07:57,120
the kind of core of the UH of the at

2822
03:07:57,159 --> 03:08:00,200
the National Socialist Party, he never really got any respect act.

2823
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:04,520
But his wife kind of before mag the Gebels, became

2824
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:09,280
Hitler's a like confidant and arguably kind of like the

2825
03:08:09,360 --> 03:08:12,959
fact the first lady the third Reich, like, uh, Helene

2826
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:17,639
Hofsnangle kind of filled that role and Hitler told her that,

2827
03:08:18,000 --> 03:08:21,479
you know, during this time he he considered becoming a priest,

2828
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:24,120
you know, because he's like, this is this is like

2829
03:08:24,159 --> 03:08:27,399
a higher calling for you know, that's that's not it's

2830
03:08:27,479 --> 03:08:29,959
not sullied by you know, these guys like worldly things

2831
03:08:30,040 --> 03:08:32,760
that you know, I don't want any part of and

2832
03:08:33,120 --> 03:08:35,040
you can you know, you can surround yourself with art,

2833
03:08:35,239 --> 03:08:37,200
you know, but do it in a way that you

2834
03:08:37,280 --> 03:08:41,600
know is you know, people can index with you know,

2835
03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:44,159
is in their in their worship and things like. It's

2836
03:08:44,239 --> 03:08:48,520
very interesting because that's the only kind of despite a

2837
03:08:48,600 --> 03:08:50,639
lot of fake quotes and a lot of speculation, like

2838
03:08:50,719 --> 03:08:54,079
Hitler never said bad things about Catholicism, like he just didn't.

2839
03:08:54,120 --> 03:08:55,799
But you know, you never said anything particularly praising of

2840
03:08:55,879 --> 03:08:56,200
it either.

2841
03:08:58,079 --> 03:09:01,520
Speaker 1: Let me ask the question during the Straster debates, does

2842
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:03,799
he refer to himself as an atheist? No?

2843
03:09:06,840 --> 03:09:13,959
Speaker 2: No, and that's why most uh, notably in the December

2844
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:20,120
eleventh speech, he mentioned providence or God over half a

2845
03:09:20,159 --> 03:09:24,239
dozen times. And I mean it's a constant, it's it's

2846
03:09:24,239 --> 03:09:33,159
a constant uh motif. You know. But that's well, that

2847
03:09:33,280 --> 03:09:37,680
that's a that's a discussion for another time because there's

2848
03:09:37,680 --> 03:09:40,920
a lot there. But no, he that's that that's absolutely

2849
03:09:41,079 --> 03:09:43,959
as nine. What people do is they take they take

2850
03:09:44,040 --> 03:09:46,479
quotes from like they take they take either like like

2851
03:09:46,559 --> 03:09:50,120
totally confabulated quotes from girls or something they're just like

2852
03:09:50,239 --> 03:09:52,760
made up, or they take actual quotes on some buffoon

2853
03:09:52,920 --> 03:09:55,520
like Borman, like you know, mouthing off on a much

2854
03:09:55,559 --> 03:09:57,360
he hates the Catholics and saying like see you like

2855
03:09:57,760 --> 03:09:59,879
you know, the nuts he's received or something. Jews wanted

2856
03:09:59,879 --> 03:10:02,360
to burn all the churches, you know, like Bormann said

2857
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:03,840
so when he was like three Sheets of the Wind

2858
03:10:03,879 --> 03:10:12,200
and talking Ship, you know, like but the you know it, uh,

2859
03:10:16,079 --> 03:10:28,680
the there was something uh you know, even in even

2860
03:10:28,680 --> 03:10:30,040
in a play, it's kind of like a culture. It

2861
03:10:30,159 --> 03:10:32,520
is like halfs thro of Austria. You know, I don't

2862
03:10:32,520 --> 03:10:34,600
mean like culture necessarily in co of pollen in terms

2863
03:10:34,600 --> 03:10:36,639
that was that too, but you know there was there

2864
03:10:36,719 --> 03:10:38,440
was this kind of like deep reverence for the arts

2865
03:10:38,479 --> 03:10:41,639
and things, you know, like just saying when when Hitler

2866
03:10:41,760 --> 03:10:44,399
was asked other than this kind of brief deliance with

2867
03:10:44,479 --> 03:10:46,959
the with the idea of becoming a priest. You know,

2868
03:10:47,120 --> 03:10:49,440
Hitler when he was when he was asked what he

2869
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:51,319
was gonna be, like what his career was gonna be,

2870
03:10:51,319 --> 03:10:53,079
he'd always say like, I'm gonna be a great artist.

2871
03:10:53,479 --> 03:10:54,760
And the adults would be like, well, you know, you

2872
03:10:54,840 --> 03:10:56,559
have to have a proper profession, you know, like it

2873
03:10:56,719 --> 03:10:59,879
uh you know, So it's not it's not as if

2874
03:10:59,920 --> 03:11:02,639
these these were like flights of fancy that you know,

2875
03:11:02,680 --> 03:11:05,760
were encouraged by some like doting mother who's out of it,

2876
03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:12,719
you know, like like not even remotely, but the and

2877
03:11:12,799 --> 03:11:15,600
it was around Uh it's an this time too, Hitler

2878
03:11:15,639 --> 03:11:25,079
realized he could draw he uh from the time you

2879
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:27,239
know he's about uh but in our system, like fifth

2880
03:11:27,360 --> 03:11:29,120
or sixth grade age, you know, like eleven or twelve

2881
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:38,680
years old, he'd start uh surreptitiously sketching one of his

2882
03:11:38,799 --> 03:11:46,360
school chums named Weinberger. Weinberger, you know, he wrolate that.

2883
03:11:46,600 --> 03:11:50,200
Uh he watched over several days as Hitler, like you know,

2884
03:11:51,079 --> 03:11:53,879
in class when they were listening to some lesson or another.

2885
03:11:55,159 --> 03:11:58,239
Hitler Uh he recreated from memory the castle at Schomberg

2886
03:11:58,360 --> 03:12:03,559
and just like sketched it out, you know. And he

2887
03:12:04,239 --> 03:12:06,719
early on in life, like other kids looked at him

2888
03:12:06,719 --> 03:12:10,879
as a leader. You know. What's fascinating to me too,

2889
03:12:11,079 --> 03:12:19,120
was that his favorite stuff to read was ah stories

2890
03:12:19,159 --> 03:12:23,079
by James Fenimore Cooper and kind of his German his

2891
03:12:23,200 --> 03:12:27,440
German imitator or kind of counterpart was Carl May who

2892
03:12:27,639 --> 03:12:31,239
also wrote Western stories. But uh, you know the kind

2893
03:12:31,239 --> 03:12:34,959
of the cowboys and Indians, you know, uh kind of

2894
03:12:35,079 --> 03:12:38,959
genre like came from James Fenimore Cooper. You know, like

2895
03:12:39,159 --> 03:12:41,520
Hitler's Hiller is a kid actually taught himself to throw

2896
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:46,840
a lasso, which I think is hilarious. But he'd uh

2897
03:12:49,440 --> 03:12:54,920
his uh like those who remembered him. You know, this

2898
03:12:55,079 --> 03:12:58,920
was multiple people said that hilarys wanted to play cowboys

2899
03:12:58,920 --> 03:13:03,760
and Indians, you know, and uh, you know, he talked

2900
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:06,360
about America as this kind of like wild place but

2901
03:13:06,440 --> 03:13:10,040
also this kind of like marvelous place almost like the

2902
03:13:10,120 --> 03:13:12,959
land of odds of like you know, infinite power, infinite wealth,

2903
03:13:13,079 --> 03:13:16,280
but also like wild people and you know, like warriors

2904
03:13:16,360 --> 03:13:20,280
and like, you know, it's it's I I find that

2905
03:13:20,440 --> 03:13:22,719
I find that fascinating. You know. It's like it's like

2906
03:13:22,719 --> 03:13:24,639
a little Austrian kid, like that's what he's that's what

2907
03:13:24,680 --> 03:13:30,920
he's getting into. But according to Hilary said and and

2908
03:13:31,000 --> 03:13:35,879
then then the tracks by what his sister Paula told

2909
03:13:35,959 --> 03:13:42,399
him Toland as well as other uh as well as

2910
03:13:42,440 --> 03:13:45,760
other witness testimony, which I have no reason I think

2911
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:52,920
is incredible. Hitler, Uh, he became fixed. He became fixated

2912
03:13:52,959 --> 03:13:57,280
on these two like historical magazines that were dedicated to

2913
03:13:57,360 --> 03:14:01,360
Franco Prussian War, which obviously was like loomed hugely in

2914
03:14:01,440 --> 03:14:04,719
the minds of of Germans, you know, I mean that

2915
03:14:04,879 --> 03:14:06,399
was uh, I mean that that was that was that

2916
03:14:06,520 --> 03:14:10,760
was the great victory, you know, like there and the

2917
03:14:10,920 --> 03:14:15,600
kind of uh the kind of finest hour of Prussian arms.

2918
03:14:16,600 --> 03:14:19,000
But it's also you know, Europe in the nineteenth century

2919
03:14:19,159 --> 03:14:21,799
like didn't go to war really, you know what I mean.

2920
03:14:21,840 --> 03:14:23,840
There was the Franko Prussian Wars is the Primean war,

2921
03:14:24,280 --> 03:14:27,360
you know, but after Waterloo, like there wasn't there wasn't

2922
03:14:27,440 --> 03:14:31,840
any There weren't like major engagements you know that that

2923
03:14:32,000 --> 03:14:35,239
that involved you know, half a dozen countries and millions

2924
03:14:35,280 --> 03:14:38,440
of men, you know. That's why that's why so many

2925
03:14:39,200 --> 03:14:42,280
European mercenaries ended up, you know, fighting in the war

2926
03:14:42,319 --> 03:14:44,760
within the States, because that's where the action was, you

2927
03:14:44,840 --> 03:14:56,239
know it. And Hitler uh he became He stated in

2928
03:14:56,360 --> 03:15:02,639
his own testimony that uh, the Board War was uh

2929
03:15:03,840 --> 03:15:06,280
you know what really imbued him with like self conscious

2930
03:15:06,319 --> 03:15:10,680
patriotism as well as uh, you know, as well as

2931
03:15:10,719 --> 03:15:14,399
his understanding that like you're in German, you know, which

2932
03:15:14,440 --> 03:15:17,920
is fascinating and that I like we talked about in

2933
03:15:17,959 --> 03:15:21,200
our World War One series the degree to which the

2934
03:15:21,319 --> 03:15:25,479
Germans felt a deeply deep affinity for the boards, like

2935
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:30,559
they can't be like overstated, you know that.

2936
03:15:30,840 --> 03:15:30,959
Speaker 1: Uh.

2937
03:15:32,920 --> 03:15:36,479
Speaker 2: And it was also his he was about this age

2938
03:15:36,559 --> 03:15:41,920
too when uh, his his younger brother Edmund died of measles.

2939
03:15:42,520 --> 03:15:44,520
And that was the fourth death of one of the

2940
03:15:44,639 --> 03:15:51,200
Hitler children. So Hitler was Hitler was the only remaining son. Okay,

2941
03:15:51,840 --> 03:15:54,159
el Eis was you know, he was Hitler's have brother,

2942
03:15:54,399 --> 03:15:56,920
but he was like long gone anyway. His family didn't

2943
03:15:56,920 --> 03:16:01,639
even know if he was better alive, you know. The Uh,

2944
03:16:04,280 --> 03:16:08,680
this is when this is when hilar was kind of

2945
03:16:08,719 --> 03:16:10,520
forced to grow up in my opinion, you know. And

2946
03:16:10,600 --> 03:16:18,319
then shortly shortly thereafter, you know, Lewis Senior died, but

2947
03:16:19,280 --> 03:16:27,040
before he did, just a couple of years previously, Hitler

2948
03:16:27,079 --> 03:16:28,879
reached the age where's eligible to attend the other at

2949
03:16:28,920 --> 03:16:33,639
gymnasium or a real school, and his practical minded father

2950
03:16:33,920 --> 03:16:37,639
was you know, I thought of gymnasium was a waste

2951
03:16:37,680 --> 03:16:39,879
of time, you know. And for those who don't know,

2952
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:42,120
like in those days, I've knowed the European systems like now,

2953
03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:45,879
but in those days, you know, gymnasium would prepare people

2954
03:16:45,959 --> 03:16:49,280
for you know, classical education and what was then the

2955
03:16:49,360 --> 03:16:52,600
university curriculum. You know, a real school was it was

2956
03:16:52,680 --> 03:16:59,639
like you know, a technical and scientific academy, okay, and

2957
03:16:59,799 --> 03:17:05,040
the uh the nearest real school was located in the Winds.

2958
03:17:08,319 --> 03:17:14,600
So Hitler uh set off for Winds, you know when

2959
03:17:14,639 --> 03:17:17,719
he was uh when when he was like a little kid,

2960
03:17:18,799 --> 03:17:23,479
you know, he'd uh pack a rucksack on his back.

2961
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:30,680
He quite literally walked for three hours, you know, and

2962
03:17:30,799 --> 03:17:34,319
sometimes he'd stay overnight or through the weekend. You know.

2963
03:17:34,479 --> 03:17:42,319
But this is that kind of the degree of autonomy

2964
03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:45,319
and kind of worldliness and like understanding of like mortal

2965
03:17:45,399 --> 03:17:49,520
things that's not gonna think about like kids in the

2966
03:17:49,559 --> 03:17:56,079
West these days, you know, I mean, I you know,

2967
03:17:56,239 --> 03:18:02,879
and uh what the testimony the Tolands aeos the other

2968
03:18:02,920 --> 03:18:07,000
people was Hitler. This is basically when Hitler like abandoned

2969
03:18:07,079 --> 03:18:10,360
like all interest in schoolwork, like viewing it essentially as bullshit,

2970
03:18:11,399 --> 03:18:16,399
you know. And Hitler said, quote, I thought that once

2971
03:18:16,479 --> 03:18:18,479
my father saw a little progress I was making at

2972
03:18:18,479 --> 03:18:20,360
the real school, he would on me to devote myself

2973
03:18:20,399 --> 03:18:25,559
to my dream, whether he liked it or not. However,

2974
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:29,719
Hitler did perform on a you know, to pass. He

2975
03:18:29,799 --> 03:18:35,079
also Keplinger. It was one of Hitler's friends who provided

2976
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:42,399
testimony to Toland said Hitler. And I find this significant

2977
03:18:42,440 --> 03:18:45,639
because other intimates of Hitler like vote from his childhood,

2978
03:18:45,920 --> 03:18:47,479
his life as a young man, as well as his

2979
03:18:47,559 --> 03:18:51,040
like later adulthood. Keplinger said, quote, he had guts. He

2980
03:18:51,200 --> 03:18:55,319
wasn't the hot head, but he really was more menable

2981
03:18:55,360 --> 03:18:57,840
than a good many. He exhibited two extremes of character

2982
03:18:57,920 --> 03:18:59,799
which are not often seen in unison. He was a

2983
03:19:00,040 --> 03:19:04,360
quiet fanatic. You know, Hitler wasn't like this carpet chewing mediac.

2984
03:19:04,479 --> 03:19:06,239
He wasn't this guy who was like yelling all the time.

2985
03:19:06,479 --> 03:19:09,120
It wasn't this guy came off like a tweaker. You know,

2986
03:19:09,239 --> 03:19:12,840
there's like this quiet, quiet intensity, Like dude almost never

2987
03:19:12,920 --> 03:19:17,000
raised his voice, he almost never lost his temper. But

2988
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:20,280
he was obviously a fanatic, you know, Like that's the

2989
03:19:20,399 --> 03:19:25,120
key to that's the key to Hitler. You know, people

2990
03:19:25,159 --> 03:19:28,479
don't understand that, don't really understand like how we index

2991
03:19:28,600 --> 03:19:31,000
with people the way he did, And they don't really

2992
03:19:31,559 --> 03:19:35,079
they don't really understand his like kind of like what

2993
03:19:35,239 --> 03:19:37,360
what what appealed to him in the people about him

2994
03:19:37,399 --> 03:19:40,000
in personal terms as well as in kind of you know,

2995
03:19:40,079 --> 03:19:47,000
idealized terms. But you know, Keplinger also made the point

2996
03:19:47,479 --> 03:19:51,920
he said, you know, he said the board war, he

2997
03:19:52,040 --> 03:19:55,280
said it kind of he said it like invigorated us,

2998
03:19:55,399 --> 03:19:58,399
you know, not just the kids would be adults. You know,

2999
03:19:58,520 --> 03:20:01,680
this sense of historical mission and like a desire for

3000
03:20:01,799 --> 03:20:05,040
like our own state, you know, German state. You know,

3001
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:07,760
he said Bismarck was our hero. You know, he's like,

3002
03:20:08,639 --> 03:20:10,879
you know, we sing Bismarck songs, you know when when

3003
03:20:11,520 --> 03:20:13,959
authority figures were out out of your shot. You know,

3004
03:20:14,040 --> 03:20:17,799
he's like he's like, we'd secretly, like you know, in private,

3005
03:20:17,840 --> 03:20:20,079
like salute each other and things, you know. With Hyle,

3006
03:20:20,760 --> 03:20:23,479
you know, like it's like a lot of this, a

3007
03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:25,840
lot of stuff that became kind of the the key

3008
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:29,719
lore of the Nazi party, like literally developing like Hitler's

3009
03:20:29,719 --> 03:20:33,559
little kid on the frontier with other Habsburg Germans and

3010
03:20:33,879 --> 03:20:37,520
kind of the world situation was changing in critical ways.

3011
03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:41,399
You know, this idea that like Hitler came up with this,

3012
03:20:41,719 --> 03:20:44,680
you know, one day in nineteen twenty two because it

3013
03:20:44,760 --> 03:20:47,799
seemed like a way to kind of sway public opinion

3014
03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:50,760
like is ridiculous. You know, the degree with which Hyler

3015
03:20:50,840 --> 03:20:55,159
was a product of of that time and epoch, particularly

3016
03:20:55,239 --> 03:20:58,959
the you know Lin's and at the turn of the century.

3017
03:20:59,559 --> 03:21:02,479
I mean, don't get me wrong, Hill, there was by

3018
03:21:02,520 --> 03:21:09,159
no means like a politician or a conventional political actor,

3019
03:21:09,639 --> 03:21:16,399
but nothing, nothing that uh he considered to be you know,

3020
03:21:16,479 --> 03:21:20,840
the intractable kind of core of the NSD A P

3021
03:21:21,079 --> 03:21:22,879
and its ambitions like no, no, that was like, none

3022
03:21:22,879 --> 03:21:26,200
of that was strange, None of that was you know,

3023
03:21:26,840 --> 03:21:29,920
issues a first impression or you know, or anything like that.

3024
03:21:32,680 --> 03:21:35,200
Apparently his first kind of real passion of the opera

3025
03:21:35,760 --> 03:21:43,280
he came from a Longer in the Wagner Opera he

3026
03:21:43,879 --> 03:21:49,840
played at the Linz Opera House and the uh for

3027
03:21:49,879 --> 03:21:55,840
those that don't know, in Longer and a key episode

3028
03:21:56,000 --> 03:22:01,000
is ah King Henry two assembols, uh like the German

3029
03:22:01,079 --> 03:22:06,280
Knights who are trying to expel uh like the mag Yards. Okay,

3030
03:22:06,360 --> 03:22:10,399
which I mean interestingly, you know what I mean obviously

3031
03:22:10,440 --> 03:22:17,920
would resonate with with the habs for Austrian kid. But uh,

3032
03:22:18,360 --> 03:22:23,719
there's this, uh, there's this like poetic refrain when the

3033
03:22:23,879 --> 03:22:27,760
King's addressing the men that Travis says, quote, let the

3034
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:30,319
reichs m L appear. We're well prepared to see him

3035
03:22:30,360 --> 03:22:32,680
near from his eastern desert plane. He'll never dare to

3036
03:22:32,719 --> 03:22:35,639
stir again. The German starts of German Land. That's the

3037
03:22:35,760 --> 03:22:38,239
rich and vigor, that's well, the right in vigor stand

3038
03:22:39,440 --> 03:22:41,239
if you go by his own testimony as well as

3039
03:22:41,239 --> 03:22:42,799
if you go by kind of the what what can

3040
03:22:42,879 --> 03:22:47,040
be verified as populating the kind of cultural landscape of

3041
03:22:47,079 --> 03:22:50,879
the time, you know, these things that these kinds of

3042
03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:57,719
key aspects a Feler's early romanticism, as well as kind

3043
03:22:57,719 --> 03:23:02,000
of as the kind of cultural pastief that you know,

3044
03:23:02,120 --> 03:23:04,319
he he wanted a national Solson to become a kind

3045
03:23:04,319 --> 03:23:07,840
of a vehicle of this stuff developed when he was

3046
03:23:07,879 --> 03:23:12,200
a kid. And I think people who commit themselves to

3047
03:23:12,520 --> 03:23:15,559
things of that nature, I mean great and small. I mean,

3048
03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:18,040
obviously I'm not talking to I'm talking about regular people

3049
03:23:18,079 --> 03:23:20,479
like myself, not just you know, kind of great meount

3050
03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:24,000
of history. Like the stuff you really get into, this

3051
03:23:24,040 --> 03:23:26,600
stuff like that you get into before like pre adolescens.

3052
03:23:27,360 --> 03:23:29,000
Like the stuff you're into is like a teenager or

3053
03:23:29,000 --> 03:23:30,719
a young man comes and goes. It tends to be

3054
03:23:30,840 --> 03:23:34,000
kind of informed by passion and then the moment sort

3055
03:23:34,040 --> 03:23:36,319
of impulses. But like the stuff you can do when

3056
03:23:36,360 --> 03:23:38,639
you're a kid, when you're like no longer an infant,

3057
03:23:38,840 --> 03:23:40,840
but you're like, but you're not properly like an adolescent

3058
03:23:40,959 --> 03:23:43,200
yet the stuff you can do when you're like ten, eleven,

3059
03:23:43,239 --> 03:23:46,319
twelve years old. You know, you can't fully understand it

3060
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:53,639
yet in terms of it's it's core characteristics. That's kind

3061
03:23:53,639 --> 03:23:55,200
of like what stays with you as a mature man,

3062
03:23:55,840 --> 03:24:01,559
you know, Like I think it's uh, it's somewhat different

3063
03:24:01,600 --> 03:24:03,559
for women, but like women have to grow up fast too,

3064
03:24:04,079 --> 03:24:08,200
you know, but it's I firmly believe this. I think

3065
03:24:08,239 --> 03:24:11,399
it's uh. I think it should be written about more

3066
03:24:14,959 --> 03:24:22,639
but the you know, the real kind of you know

3067
03:24:22,719 --> 03:24:27,079
that more than the un than the than the Vienna.

3068
03:24:27,360 --> 03:24:33,239
Hitler I think, uh. I think informs the the structure

3069
03:24:33,280 --> 03:24:36,719
that the the mans like Hitler. The man's like uh

3070
03:24:37,920 --> 03:24:41,000
Kubazac when people, you know, I think Coopsac is uh

3071
03:24:42,360 --> 03:24:45,360
something of the unreliable, you know, an unreliable narrator of

3072
03:24:45,680 --> 03:24:50,239
myth and lower. But I think his testimony about Hitler,

3073
03:24:50,440 --> 03:24:52,600
I mean basically tracks in my opinion, with what other

3074
03:24:52,639 --> 03:25:02,760
people say. And it's you know, when Hitler Hitler being

3075
03:25:02,840 --> 03:25:07,479
told Hitler is confident based then on on his you know,

3076
03:25:07,559 --> 03:25:09,399
what he'd submitted to other people who were in a

3077
03:25:09,440 --> 03:25:12,559
position to judge such things, you know, kind of people

3078
03:25:12,600 --> 03:25:16,840
in like administrative and gatekeeper roles. Okay, when he does

3079
03:25:17,000 --> 03:25:20,440
when he he was confident that his portfolio would be accepted,

3080
03:25:20,559 --> 03:25:22,879
you know, to the School of Fine Arts, like when

3081
03:25:22,920 --> 03:25:25,440
it wasn't, and when the rector said, I don't know,

3082
03:25:25,479 --> 03:25:27,959
but don't be discouraged. You know, your your your ability

3083
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:30,840
obviously lives in the field of architecture, young man. You know,

3084
03:25:30,879 --> 03:25:33,280
it wasn't just that. It wasn't just that Hitler didn't

3085
03:25:33,280 --> 03:25:37,360
want to jump to bunch of hoops and probably his

3086
03:25:37,479 --> 03:25:40,879
financial situation wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't allow that. But I mean

3087
03:25:40,920 --> 03:25:43,319
it was that his whole kind of susition itself and

3088
03:25:43,399 --> 03:25:46,159
what he wanted out of life. And you know the

3089
03:25:47,079 --> 03:25:50,120
you know, artists artist view themselves is wanting to participate

3090
03:25:50,200 --> 03:25:52,399
in something like greater than the cell. It's very spiritual.

3091
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:55,360
You know that this this was crushing in a way.

3092
03:25:55,600 --> 03:25:58,559
It wouldn't be just you know, if if Hitler didn't

3093
03:25:58,799 --> 03:26:01,959
land his first job he coveted or something, you know,

3094
03:26:04,120 --> 03:26:09,399
and uh, immediately after you know, like the following month.

3095
03:26:10,719 --> 03:26:14,680
That's when Hitler received a news from the postmaster that

3096
03:26:14,760 --> 03:26:19,200
his mother was dying. You know, so he rushed back

3097
03:26:21,000 --> 03:26:24,079
to Linz, you know he could. He sought out doctor

3098
03:26:24,200 --> 03:26:28,680
Block again, who when Hitler's mom first fell ill, you know,

3099
03:26:28,920 --> 03:26:32,680
was uh the doctor Hitler retained because he was you know,

3100
03:26:32,719 --> 03:26:34,520
he had a reputation from being you know, the best

3101
03:26:34,559 --> 03:26:40,319
in his field. The drastic treatments that uh were available

3102
03:26:40,399 --> 03:26:49,360
then involved involved treating the patient with large doses, like

3103
03:26:49,479 --> 03:26:58,319
dangerous large doses of idio form. What's uh, I I

3104
03:26:58,680 --> 03:27:02,760
it's basically a kind of crew for a chemotherapy, you know,

3105
03:27:03,040 --> 03:27:09,280
something with the surgery in somebody where a metastasist is

3106
03:27:09,319 --> 03:27:13,719
already present. They they'd be wrapped the open wound to

3107
03:27:13,760 --> 03:27:23,840
be wrapped in clause causes dipped in idio form and

3108
03:27:23,959 --> 03:27:27,959
idio form it would Uh one of the side effects

3109
03:27:28,040 --> 03:27:32,280
is that the patient wouldn't be able to swallow. You know,

3110
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:36,360
it was uh, it was. It sounds like a kind

3111
03:27:36,360 --> 03:27:42,120
of torture, you know. You know, and Block admonis Hitler

3112
03:27:42,200 --> 03:27:44,719
that you know this this is a very dangerous procedure,

3113
03:27:44,760 --> 03:27:49,280
and I there's not any reason to believe that she'll recover,

3114
03:27:49,440 --> 03:27:55,600
but this is all we can do. And you know, uh,

3115
03:27:56,040 --> 03:28:00,840
Block explained later in his interviews, you always said that,

3116
03:28:01,399 --> 03:28:04,879
you know, the procedure was the idio form itself as

3117
03:28:04,920 --> 03:28:10,840
a as a nauseating odor like chemical odor. It would

3118
03:28:10,879 --> 03:28:14,479
burn its way to the tissues, you know, to kill

3119
03:28:14,520 --> 03:28:18,719
the tumors ideally, but it was it was it basically

3120
03:28:18,719 --> 03:28:24,120
would torture the patient. Okay, Block said the Hitler's mom

3121
03:28:25,159 --> 03:28:30,520
was was it typically stoic germanly. He said that quote

3122
03:28:30,600 --> 03:28:35,000
unflinchingly and uncomplainingly. She bore her burden, but it seemed

3123
03:28:35,040 --> 03:28:37,840
to torture her son. An English grimace would come over

3124
03:28:38,280 --> 03:28:40,600
him when he saw when he saw pain contractor face

3125
03:28:41,520 --> 03:28:53,120
speaking of him, speaking of Hitler, when uh, when she died, uh,

3126
03:28:55,840 --> 03:29:02,760
you know, Block expressed as condolence as the Hitler you know,

3127
03:29:03,079 --> 03:29:08,360
and Hitler thank Block for everything he'd done. He assured

3128
03:29:08,440 --> 03:29:11,079
him that he'd been compensated for the remainder of who

3129
03:29:11,200 --> 03:29:15,280
was owed and he was the Dodter said he saw

3130
03:29:15,319 --> 03:29:17,680
that Hitler was Hitler's sketch. Pat Hitler had drawn a

3131
03:29:17,760 --> 03:29:20,520
final sketch of his mom like you know, as she died,

3132
03:29:21,200 --> 03:29:23,840
and Block said that you know, he said, and he said,

3133
03:29:23,959 --> 03:29:25,680
I've seen any death bed scenes. I never saw anyone

3134
03:29:25,799 --> 03:29:31,559
so prostrate with griefs off Hitler. Now you know, before people,

3135
03:29:32,000 --> 03:29:33,879
I mean Hitler was with the teenager at this point,

3136
03:29:34,159 --> 03:29:41,079
and before people say like, oh, you know this uh

3137
03:29:41,760 --> 03:29:47,600
represents some sort of in a pro age and appropriate

3138
03:29:47,639 --> 03:29:50,280
attachment to his mom or something like Hitler's mom was

3139
03:29:50,280 --> 03:29:53,959
already had. You know, he had a dead father who

3140
03:29:53,959 --> 03:29:58,719
had been a you know, a mean bully who was

3141
03:29:58,799 --> 03:30:00,799
kind of loathed by everybody. You know, he had four

3142
03:30:00,879 --> 03:30:02,680
dead siblings in the grave. You had a big brother

3143
03:30:02,799 --> 03:30:05,440
who like you know, ran away and never looked back.

3144
03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:07,159
He had a little sister that he had to take

3145
03:30:07,239 --> 03:30:10,079
care of, you know. I mean I and plus like

3146
03:30:10,159 --> 03:30:12,719
leaving your mom sucks. I speak of experience, you know

3147
03:30:12,760 --> 03:30:16,920
what I mean, Like it's I uh, yeah, you know,

3148
03:30:17,799 --> 03:30:22,840
especially and it's one thing if uh, it's one thing

3149
03:30:22,920 --> 03:30:25,399
if you're you know, if you're a married man and

3150
03:30:25,479 --> 03:30:28,079
you got you know, like a family and like you know,

3151
03:30:28,319 --> 03:30:31,840
people around you, it's like, you know, uh, at the

3152
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:34,319
end of the day, Like you know, if if you're

3153
03:30:34,360 --> 03:30:36,239
a single man, it's like your mom and your dad

3154
03:30:36,319 --> 03:30:38,200
care about you, and like that's about it, you know

3155
03:30:38,200 --> 03:30:41,120
what I mean. And that's not that's not he's playing

3156
03:30:41,159 --> 03:30:43,520
some kind of murder or something, but it's you know,

3157
03:30:43,559 --> 03:30:45,319
it hits hard if you're a young person and your

3158
03:30:45,360 --> 03:30:47,319
mom dies, you know what I mean. I mean, it

3159
03:30:47,440 --> 03:30:51,959
hits hard anyway. But you know the and like I said, block,

3160
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:57,799
he was emphatic, you know, he said, hilar He's like obviously,

3161
03:30:57,879 --> 03:31:02,440
you know, like I was enjoying certain privileges and immunities

3162
03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:04,319
I would not have if I was not doctor. You

3163
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:07,600
know who I who I am? The right government. This

3164
03:31:07,719 --> 03:31:11,040
idea that like Hitler like was seeking revenging his block

3165
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:14,000
or something, and this you know, took on this like

3166
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:17,479
anti Jewish posture, and that's that's fucking ridiculous. But it's

3167
03:31:18,959 --> 03:31:20,680
the reason I ever size this is because it's, like

3168
03:31:20,799 --> 03:31:26,600
I said, it's not there's not really any way I

3169
03:31:26,719 --> 03:31:30,319
understand Hitler without you know, appealing to kind of symbolic

3170
03:31:30,520 --> 03:31:34,319
psychological phenomenon. I mean, that's true for like any you know,

3171
03:31:34,399 --> 03:31:40,559
Alexander the Great very probably murdered his father. I know

3172
03:31:40,639 --> 03:31:44,600
that there's there's a controversies and people have many I mean,

3173
03:31:44,600 --> 03:31:46,959
there's many kind of competing theories, but I you know,

3174
03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:52,719
one part because he felt his mother was being disrespected

3175
03:31:52,840 --> 03:31:56,200
by the you know, his father's kind of new concubine

3176
03:31:56,200 --> 03:31:59,280
and became the favored wife. And also that you know

3177
03:32:01,879 --> 03:32:08,920
who wasn't Macedonian, but uh, you know, and and and

3178
03:32:09,040 --> 03:32:12,079
the heir apparent would become, you know, the child that

3179
03:32:12,159 --> 03:32:15,600
he sided with her. But it's you know, you're not

3180
03:32:15,639 --> 03:32:19,799
gonna find You're not gonna find a kind of squeaky

3181
03:32:19,879 --> 03:32:24,280
clean I don't know if that's even the right way

3182
03:32:24,280 --> 03:32:30,680
to characterize it. Your early life in ah and An

3183
03:32:30,719 --> 03:32:35,319
a truly great man's biography, and especially I think he's

3184
03:32:35,319 --> 03:32:43,760
a Hitler, you know, like Stophie's always driving home and

3185
03:32:43,879 --> 03:32:49,120
his kind of rebuttal biography of if you're Hitler, wasn't

3186
03:32:49,159 --> 03:32:52,840
the politician. Pretty much at every opportunity, Hitler avoided politics

3187
03:32:52,959 --> 03:32:54,719
or said this is a waste of our time, or

3188
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:58,200
he didn't monish people, you know, like he did von

3189
03:32:58,319 --> 03:33:02,559
Popp and and and the kind of leg see the

3190
03:33:02,639 --> 03:33:05,239
members of the legacy regime, you know, like you don't

3191
03:33:05,319 --> 03:33:07,959
understand what we're doing here, like you know, we this

3192
03:33:08,079 --> 03:33:11,239
is a historical mission. We're thinking in terms of millennia.

3193
03:33:12,120 --> 03:33:13,959
You know, we're not. We're not trying to We're not

3194
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:16,079
trying to come to terms with the social Democrats with

3195
03:33:16,159 --> 03:33:18,959
the budgets. You know, We're not We're not We're not

3196
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:22,360
playing this. We're not engaged in this charade of parliamentarism,

3197
03:33:23,319 --> 03:33:30,799
you know. Where uh, we're engaged in a world historical enterprise,

3198
03:33:33,120 --> 03:33:39,000
probably side unseen since Genghis Khan. You know, and I've

3199
03:33:39,000 --> 03:33:41,399
emphasized before in my writing as well as in our discussions,

3200
03:33:45,639 --> 03:33:53,319
the degree to which Hitler and particularly Himmler emphasized Yasa

3201
03:33:54,319 --> 03:33:58,280
as well as other aspects of the Mongol culture. But

3202
03:33:58,360 --> 03:34:02,399
you know, Yasa was the it was the oral legal tradition, uh,

3203
03:34:02,639 --> 03:34:10,319
knowledge of which was restricted to a dedicated caste. But

3204
03:34:13,399 --> 03:34:16,319
the national socialist interest in it, in this kind of thing,

3205
03:34:16,440 --> 03:34:21,200
particularly in the subject, was nuanced. But the understanding that

3206
03:34:21,959 --> 03:34:26,120
we've got this kind of pastiche of peoples that constitute

3207
03:34:26,399 --> 03:34:31,040
you know, our our our our civilizational organism that were

3208
03:34:31,079 --> 03:34:34,040
scattered to the wind by the thirty years of war.

3209
03:34:34,639 --> 03:34:37,680
You know, now we're trying to create a kind of

3210
03:34:37,719 --> 03:34:42,600
cohesion there in and rebuild and bring up our racial

3211
03:34:42,680 --> 03:34:46,399
stock or cultural stock, if you what do you prefer

3212
03:34:47,680 --> 03:34:53,120
that's become weakened, and is is definitely inferior in critical

3213
03:34:53,159 --> 03:34:58,000
ways vis a vis our adversaries. And we've we've got to,

3214
03:34:58,520 --> 03:35:00,600
you know, we we've got to create a kind of

3215
03:35:00,639 --> 03:35:04,559
new European man. You know, these are things that the

3216
03:35:04,639 --> 03:35:06,879
Mongols were charged with two in their own way. I

3217
03:35:06,959 --> 03:35:11,719
mean the Mongols they you know, the Turks when they

3218
03:35:11,760 --> 03:35:17,559
were you know, a step people. They uh you know,

3219
03:35:17,639 --> 03:35:20,760
they were they they were like a pastige of ethnicities,

3220
03:35:21,479 --> 03:35:24,399
you know that they'd taken on as as janissaries of

3221
03:35:24,479 --> 03:35:28,159
slaves and you then were like manumitted and assimilated. I mean,

3222
03:35:28,200 --> 03:35:33,719
it wasn't we're not talking about that degree of of alienage,

3223
03:35:33,920 --> 03:35:39,399
you know, between German people. But Hitler was correct, and

3224
03:35:39,600 --> 03:35:42,079
uh what he described as you know, the kind of

3225
03:35:42,120 --> 03:35:48,360
shattering catalysts of the Thirty Years War and you know,

3226
03:35:48,840 --> 03:35:53,719
uh later modernity on the Germans as the people and

3227
03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:59,719
thus Europeans as a people. You know. So that's uh,

3228
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:05,920
that's key. And I mean I and of course to

3229
03:36:06,239 --> 03:36:13,399
the the thing to keep anybody who anybody who views

3230
03:36:13,440 --> 03:36:20,959
himself as possessing a mandate, a providential mandate, uh A

3231
03:36:22,520 --> 03:36:31,959
a world historical right, if you will. Anyone who finds

3232
03:36:31,959 --> 03:36:38,159
themselves in circumstances where they are the agent of of history,

3233
03:36:39,360 --> 03:36:42,000
or of providence or of a divine will. You know,

3234
03:36:42,040 --> 03:36:44,440
whether you're talking about Cromwell or Muhammad, or Hiller or

3235
03:36:44,520 --> 03:36:50,719
Napoleon or Genghis Khan, you're gonna be forced to say

3236
03:36:50,760 --> 03:36:59,559
aside conventional moral considerations because at a at at a

3237
03:36:59,639 --> 03:37:07,040
certain scale, and that that just doesn't apply anymore, you know,

3238
03:37:09,280 --> 03:37:16,520
And that's certain the exigence, the exigency is presented, do

3239
03:37:16,680 --> 03:37:21,920
not allow or individuated moral judgments. That's just reality, you know.

3240
03:37:26,799 --> 03:37:30,200
I And people want to pretend like that's an Italien

3241
03:37:30,280 --> 03:37:33,040
phenomenon to America, So I think it's absolutely not. That's whatever.

3242
03:37:33,200 --> 03:37:36,360
During the Cold War, that's what every every man who

3243
03:37:36,879 --> 03:37:40,319
who took the oath of office had to be prepared

3244
03:37:40,360 --> 03:37:46,200
to kill tens of millions of a Soviets. I mean,

3245
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:50,600
like that's you know, within minutes potentially, you know, so

3246
03:37:52,319 --> 03:37:54,360
Americans don't going to echo aloof and say like, oh no,

3247
03:37:54,520 --> 03:37:59,079
this is an alibi of you know, people in the

3248
03:37:59,319 --> 03:38:04,680
old world who you know becausessor developed moral understanding. But

3249
03:38:05,559 --> 03:38:09,200
you know, the one of the things about people like Hitler,

3250
03:38:09,440 --> 03:38:14,639
like Muhammad, like Cromwell, despite the kind of dummy cliffs

3251
03:38:14,719 --> 03:38:20,159
notes propaganda versions of Hitler's a sendency or of like

3252
03:38:20,479 --> 03:38:23,280
or or what these like chet Nick types and these

3253
03:38:23,360 --> 03:38:28,399
Zionist say about, like Muhammad, you can be the biggest

3254
03:38:28,479 --> 03:38:31,040
con man in the world, and like people aren't gonna

3255
03:38:31,040 --> 03:38:33,479
people aren't gonna follow you like you're a prophet, or

3256
03:38:33,479 --> 03:38:36,719
they're not gonna they're not gonna decide you're like a

3257
03:38:36,760 --> 03:38:45,159
stride history and you know, and and and and and

3258
03:38:45,319 --> 03:38:47,319
just you know, say yeah, I agree with you. You're

3259
03:38:47,319 --> 03:38:49,920
a messianic person just because you say so. That's not

3260
03:38:49,959 --> 03:38:52,559
the way things work. Like Hitler was the fear, because

3261
03:38:52,559 --> 03:38:59,120
that's what eighty million people said. You know, Muhammad apparently

3262
03:38:59,239 --> 03:39:02,799
was a messenger of God because well, the entire Arabian

3263
03:39:02,799 --> 03:39:07,040
peninsula said he was. You know. Agur Cromwell was never

3264
03:39:07,079 --> 03:39:12,360
particularly religious. When he was about forty years old, he

3265
03:39:12,440 --> 03:39:15,639
started claiming he was in communion with God. And he

3266
03:39:15,719 --> 03:39:18,680
had no military experience, but he just like one day

3267
03:39:18,799 --> 03:39:22,479
raised an army and uh went and cut the king's

3268
03:39:22,520 --> 03:39:26,120
head off, you know what I mean? Like that, you

3269
03:39:26,200 --> 03:39:29,399
can you can't just like decide that what you're gonna be,

3270
03:39:30,239 --> 03:39:35,159
you know, and you can't you can't just you can't

3271
03:39:35,239 --> 03:39:39,040
just say like subtle circumstances and how facilitated this like

3272
03:39:39,120 --> 03:39:42,520
mythology being developed after the facts, you know. So I

3273
03:39:42,559 --> 03:39:50,000
mean there's there's that too, I but I focused on

3274
03:39:51,360 --> 03:39:54,360
what it did today because, like I said, they kind

3275
03:39:54,360 --> 03:40:03,040
of the main excluding Tall and obviously the main court

3276
03:40:03,159 --> 03:40:10,760
history biographies of of Adolf Hitler. They claim that Hitler's

3277
03:40:10,799 --> 03:40:16,719
early life and his purported psychological frailties and mythologies they're

3278
03:40:16,760 --> 03:40:21,639
in is what made him evil, and that coupled with

3279
03:40:22,680 --> 03:40:25,280
this like irrational desire for revenge in the week of

3280
03:40:25,360 --> 03:40:31,760
World War One, his constitutes like you know, the the

3281
03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:42,559
the psychological landscape of of of of Hitler. Okay, and

3282
03:40:42,719 --> 03:40:46,760
none of that makes any sense, But that's why I

3283
03:40:46,799 --> 03:40:50,000
focused on what I did. And also I didn't if

3284
03:40:50,079 --> 03:40:56,760
people had the things they wanted to raise about the series. Generally,

3285
03:40:56,799 --> 03:40:59,760
I thought we'd cover that, but I put a solicited question.

3286
03:41:00,360 --> 03:41:03,600
People didn't really have anything outstanding, at least at least

3287
03:41:03,639 --> 03:41:05,559
it hadn't kind of been asked and answered. But that's

3288
03:41:07,920 --> 03:41:10,440
that's uh, yeah, what I got for today. Man s

3289
03:41:10,600 --> 03:41:12,719
for being this being kind of brief, but like I said,

3290
03:41:12,799 --> 03:41:14,600
you can tell him not at one hundred percent yet,

3291
03:41:16,159 --> 03:41:16,920
but I hope.

3292
03:41:16,799 --> 03:41:17,760
Speaker 1: Uh not a problem.

3293
03:41:17,799 --> 03:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hope I would like it.

3294
03:41:21,319 --> 03:41:23,040
Speaker 1: I think I would like to do an episode one

3295
03:41:23,079 --> 03:41:26,959
day where we just asked the tough questions about about him.

3296
03:41:27,120 --> 03:41:30,479
Speaker 2: No, that's fine man, And I'm always yeah, I uh,

3297
03:41:30,680 --> 03:41:34,680
people always getting on me to do a space I

3298
03:41:35,840 --> 03:41:38,120
I don't really like Twitter is like the platform to

3299
03:41:38,200 --> 03:41:42,479
do live stuff, but we should do. I definitely like

3300
03:41:42,559 --> 03:41:46,360
to do a stream on Hitler, you know, like basically

3301
03:41:46,440 --> 03:41:49,200
on our series that we just completed, but you know,

3302
03:41:49,239 --> 03:41:52,239
outstanding questions and stuff that people want to take up.

3303
03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:59,319
Speaker 1: Sure, I have a bunch too. So well it's two

3304
03:41:59,399 --> 03:42:03,440
plugs and uh, let you get back to heal it up.

3305
03:42:04,120 --> 03:42:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll be fine, man, I mean I but yeah,

3306
03:42:07,120 --> 03:42:11,920
thanks for the well wishes. You can find me. My

3307
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:15,639
one stop shot for all my content is it's just

3308
03:42:15,760 --> 03:42:19,680
my website. It's Thomas seven seven seven dot com is

3309
03:42:19,799 --> 03:42:22,360
number seven h o A S seven seven seven dot com.

3310
03:42:23,639 --> 03:42:27,680
The podcast and other good stuff is on substack. It's

3311
03:42:27,799 --> 03:42:33,879
real Thomas seven seven seven dot substate dot com. The

3312
03:42:34,040 --> 03:42:40,040
Twitter is real Capital r e A L underscore number

3313
03:42:40,120 --> 03:42:45,639
seven h om A S seven seven seven. I'm on

3314
03:42:45,760 --> 03:42:49,559
Instagram and TikTok and I'll add bullshit. But like I said,

3315
03:42:49,559 --> 03:42:51,319
seeking you shall find like go to my Twitter or

3316
03:42:51,360 --> 03:42:52,360
go to my website.

3317
03:42:53,559 --> 03:42:53,879
Speaker 1: All that.

3318
03:42:55,399 --> 03:42:59,440
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm in the process of a and like

3319
03:42:59,520 --> 03:43:02,399
a colleague of mine, we're we're putting together some immerseed

3320
03:43:02,440 --> 03:43:04,399
that long Last is going to be available on the

3321
03:43:04,440 --> 03:43:14,559
gum Road. And thanks again for for during the movie

3322
03:43:14,600 --> 03:43:17,959
series with me. People are very excited about that and

3323
03:43:18,079 --> 03:43:19,879
it gives me something to populate my gum Road with

3324
03:43:20,559 --> 03:43:24,920
as I kind of you know, diversify products they're available

3325
03:43:24,959 --> 03:43:28,719
and stuff. But yeah, man, that's what I got. And

3326
03:43:28,879 --> 03:43:31,840
well we'll reconvened later this week and do more stuff.

3327
03:43:33,280 --> 03:43:33,559
Thank you.

3328
03:43:33,719 --> 03:43:34,280
Speaker 1: Have a good ey