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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the survivors of the fire happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>one seventy five seventy five Pacific Coast Highway. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen twenties Mediterranean style home, imposing architecture it is

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<v Speaker 2>said to have and it is the scene of our

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<v Speaker 2>True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>The story is true, sounds true?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it sounds made up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Gary and Shannon present True Crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One seventy five seventy five pch has stood for almost

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years. It has lasted the test of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Many stories come out of this property as well. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's a Mediterranean style building, arches resembling gateways

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<v Speaker 2>to a lost world. You've driven by it, but not

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<v Speaker 2>everybody who was driven by it knows. The story of Thelmatod.

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<v Speaker 2>Thelma Todd died mysteriously one cold night in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five in the foggy streets of castele Mayre above.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how I say it? Trustell a mare.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, it was one of the most widely

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<v Speaker 2>covered stories in LA history. Her last night was haunted

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<v Speaker 2>and it has confounded La for almost a century. It

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<v Speaker 2>was December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five, and Thelmatod was twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>She was leaving home for a party with her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She descended the stairs in her beautiful, glimmering blue evening gown,

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<v Speaker 2>blue heels, and mink coat draped around her shoulders. Her

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<v Speaker 2>chocolate brown Lincoln convertible was parked in the streets of

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<v Speaker 2>the restaurant, the sidewalk cafe there that was actually called

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<v Speaker 2>the Velmouth Todd Sidewalk Cafe. It was her car, the Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 2>in the garage of her lover and business partner, filmmaker

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<v Speaker 2>Roland West.

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<v Speaker 1>He puts Thelma Todd.

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<v Speaker 2>And her mother into the car for the night, and

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<v Speaker 2>he tells her to be back by two am, because

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<v Speaker 2>remember they're going to a party. She was going to

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<v Speaker 2>drop her mom off on sunset. On the way, she

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<v Speaker 2>gives him a look, rolls her eyes and says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll be back at two five.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he says, just so you know, the door's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be locked into Missy or something along those lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>This party. They had become business partners, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>when they opened a cafe on the ground floor of

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<v Speaker 3>what a community center for a sort of a neighborhood

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<v Speaker 3>that never really took off. Over there. It was far

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<v Speaker 3>enough away from the amenities of Hollywood and the burgeoning

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<v Speaker 3>West Side of la that it never really gained the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of notoriety that it would decades later after the

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<v Speaker 3>heydays of Hollywood, after the Depression, etc. So nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 3>four they opened this Thelmatod's Sidewalk Cafe and hoping that

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<v Speaker 3>it would draw people from Hollywood down around the corner

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<v Speaker 3>of the Palisades and get them some tourism business. Among

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<v Speaker 3>other things. She was the hostess of the restaurant. She

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<v Speaker 3>would welcome people with this warmth that they had seen

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<v Speaker 3>her display as her career as an actress on screen,

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<v Speaker 3>And for about a year and a half they actually

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<v Speaker 3>said this was sort of a great description, a great

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<v Speaker 3>example of what could happen post depression.

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<v Speaker 2>They say that this was an early vision of everything

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Palisades would eventually represent. A glamorous and close

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<v Speaker 2>knit community in Paradise.

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<v Speaker 3>Close knit because, among other things, Roland West's first wife,

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<v Speaker 3>whom he was estranged from, still lived in his house.

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<v Speaker 3>She stayed in a tower above the house, and he

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<v Speaker 3>moved into the living quarters above the cafe so he

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<v Speaker 3>could keep an eye in the business. But of course

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<v Speaker 3>she Felma Todd moves into her own quarters, also on

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<v Speaker 3>the second floor. Mm and while they weren't married, they

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<v Speaker 3>were probably doing married things.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, who was Selma Todd Well, She had been a

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<v Speaker 2>film star since nineteen twenty five, so for about ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>After she left her career as a school teacher in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>she signed with Paramount. She was known for her work

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<v Speaker 2>in comedy. She would play the straight woman with the beauty.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a foil. She was in Laurel and hearty things.

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<v Speaker 2>She worked with the Marx Brothers and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They say that she kind of embodied the emergency, emerging

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<v Speaker 2>kind of modern woman. That she played socialites, but socialites

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<v Speaker 2>with an elegant knowingness and wit that they say would

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<v Speaker 2>become the hallmark of people like Carol Lombard Gene Harlowe.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that her beauty was as classical as the

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<v Speaker 2>statue of Venus. She had become though America's ice cream blonde.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the epitome of new society.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where she was when she was operating this

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<v Speaker 2>sidewalk cafe with the lever Roland West, with the ex

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<v Speaker 2>wife and the tower above.

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<v Speaker 1>So she.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes to the party December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five. Her

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<v Speaker 3>chauffeur drives her to the Trocadero nightclub on sunset for

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<v Speaker 3>this party thrown by a couple of high profile actors

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<v Speaker 3>and their daughter, a seventeen year old daughter the future

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<v Speaker 3>actor Ida Lupino. So she goes from table to table.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a star, she's been in movies. She's saying hello

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<v Speaker 3>to everybody. She sees her ex husband there, the chichio,

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<v Speaker 3>the chichio, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Chichio, chichioh I think we learned.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, he was an actor's agent. He was a full

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<v Speaker 3>time mob guy turned playboy, been pretty cruel to her

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<v Speaker 3>during their marriage, and when they divorced, that's when she

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<v Speaker 3>went over and started hooking up with Roland West. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>they said that a bunch of people said that they

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<v Speaker 3>appeared to kind of have bitterness between them, Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's their exes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and he had a date with him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't even have been invited to that party. Allegedly, some

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<v Speaker 2>say that she just left, that Thelma Toad just left,

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<v Speaker 2>but some did report the bitterness that you talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That the daughter of the stars throwing the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Later testified that she and Uh and Thelma Toad had

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<v Speaker 2>a private conversation in the loo, where Thelma Toad had

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<v Speaker 2>been beside herself, very upset over the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So she eventually goes back out to her car. It's

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<v Speaker 3>about three in the morning. She slides into the backseat.

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<v Speaker 3>Her chauffeur says that she is unusually quiet. They say

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know how much champagne that she had. It

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<v Speaker 3>would have been anybody's guess. So he offers. The chauffeur

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<v Speaker 3>offers to drop her off at her house, and she

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<v Speaker 3>asks to be let out just past where sunset meets

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<v Speaker 3>pch again. This is nineteen thirty five. There's no street

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<v Speaker 3>lights out there. The only sound is the wind through

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<v Speaker 3>the cypress trees, the waves crashing just a short time

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<v Speaker 3>to just short distance south. It was a little after

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<v Speaker 3>three p forty five. In her evening gown, she climbs

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<v Speaker 3>up that flight of stairs through the mist towards the

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<v Speaker 3>second floor of her restaurant. That was the last anybody

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<v Speaker 3>saw her alive. Is that what it right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're in the midst of our true crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the mystery of what happened to Thelma Todd

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<v Speaker 2>where we left you. Thelma Todd was with filmmaker Roland West.

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<v Speaker 2>They lived in the Pacific palis Side, the Palisades area.

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<v Speaker 2>She was shacking up with him. His ex wife lived

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<v Speaker 2>in a tower above. They ran thelmatod sidewalk cafe there,

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<v Speaker 2>very popular little eatery there which they said would come

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<v Speaker 2>to define the Pacific Palisades in terms of tight knit glamour.

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<v Speaker 2>And she left for a party December nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>She had her mother with her and she was going

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<v Speaker 2>to drop her mom off on sunset, makes her way

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<v Speaker 2>to the party, finds her ex husband is there with

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<v Speaker 2>a date. She is upset, doesn't roll back into her

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<v Speaker 2>car with the chauffeur till about three am. By all accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some tipsy, some tipsiness, so anyway, she at the

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<v Speaker 2>time refused. The chauffeurs offered a drop her off at

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<v Speaker 2>her doorstep and asked to be let out just past

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<v Speaker 2>where Sunset meets pH No street lights are on the

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<v Speaker 2>road in nineteen thirty five, only the sound of wind

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<v Speaker 2>and the waves. This was a little after three forty

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<v Speaker 2>five am. She was in her blue sparkling evening gown

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<v Speaker 2>and she began the slow ascent up the flight of

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<v Speaker 2>stairs to PCH from sunset through the mist towards the

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<v Speaker 2>second floor of her restaurant. I shouldn't say from PCH

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<v Speaker 2>up to the property.

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<v Speaker 3>That same blue evening gown is what she was wearing

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<v Speaker 3>when she was found dead the next day behind the

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<v Speaker 3>wheel of her Lincoln in the garage below the building.

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<v Speaker 2>She looked flawless. She looked as if she had fallen asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>No violence had been done to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Now her death was ruled accident caused by carbon monoxide poison.

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<v Speaker 3>The assumption was she got home, she's locked out, maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>and then goes back into the stairs, up the stairs

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<v Speaker 3>to try to find shelter in the unlocked garage, might

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<v Speaker 3>have turned on the car to get warm. She's in

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<v Speaker 3>the closed space. Carbon monoxide.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like Ockham's razor. Right, But this is Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>so there has to be conspiracy theories and rumors, doesn't there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there does.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumors quickly spread that the filmmaker guy was in a

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<v Speaker 2>jealous rage and that he killed her, maybe in their

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<v Speaker 2>apartment or even on his yacht, then took her to

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<v Speaker 2>the car to make it look like an accident. Then

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<v Speaker 2>there was the conspiracy theory that he, the filmmaker, and

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<v Speaker 2>his ex wife conspired together and killed her. There was

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<v Speaker 2>gossip that Thelma Todd was involved with a bad crowd

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<v Speaker 2>through that previous marriage to the guy she saw that night.

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<v Speaker 2>He was connected to the mafia, and they said that

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<v Speaker 2>it was the mob's revenge for her saying no when

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to open up gambling tables at the sidewalk cafe.

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<v Speaker 3>All of this comes to a head with this inquest

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<v Speaker 3>where the director lover, his estranged former film star wife,

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<v Speaker 3>the maid, the chauffeur, the ex husband with the gangster ties.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single one of them takes turns testifying about her death.

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<v Speaker 3>But the facts seemed to unravel when you looked at

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<v Speaker 3>him a little bit closer. Some small element would throw

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<v Speaker 3>the investigation into shambles, like there were drops of blood

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<v Speaker 3>on the running board outside of the car, the long

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<v Speaker 3>climb from pch to the garage, the lack of any

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<v Speaker 3>physical trauma on Thelma. There was testimony also from a

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<v Speaker 3>friend of Thelma's who claimed that she'd received a phone

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<v Speaker 3>call from her on Sunday at four pm, hours after

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<v Speaker 3>she would have died and would have already been lifeless

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<v Speaker 3>in that Lincoln in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Garage murder accident or suicide. The filmmaker, by the way

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<v Speaker 2>that she was banging around with, tried to reopen Thelma

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<v Speaker 2>Toad's sidewalk cafe just days after her body was found. Tourists,

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorists flooded the place. They stole souvenirs from the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to walk up those fateful stairs. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to come to their own conclusions. See, we don't change

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<v Speaker 2>that much, that much, folks, One hundred years later, we

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<v Speaker 2>do the same damn thing. Guests recalled the eeriness of

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<v Speaker 2>being seated by the filmmaker himself while lover came back

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<v Speaker 2>to me played on a duke box. Cafe closed after

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<v Speaker 2>a few months. It never reopened to the public. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you see the part there were?

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<v Speaker 3>At one point, Shelley Winters was taken by Howard Hughes

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<v Speaker 3>to that cafe on a date that when there was

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<v Speaker 3>no one else there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds about right for Howard Hughes. The odd fellow that

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<v Speaker 2>he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Wearing is klean xboxes on his feet. Now, the flames

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<v Speaker 3>from the Palisades fire came close to Castillo del Mar,

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<v Speaker 3>the home, but they said that it is still standing,

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<v Speaker 3>and the turquoise blue garage doors, which are still visible

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<v Speaker 3>from outside what would have been the last place she

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<v Speaker 3>was alive in that car still standing.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think it was? I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was the carbon monoxide. I think that's probably the best. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, it's Oukham's raised. The easiest, easiest explanation is

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<v Speaker 2>probably she's in her party dress. She's already got a

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<v Speaker 2>little attitude, telling the guy, well, i'll be him at

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<v Speaker 2>two o five if you're going to lock the door too.

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<v Speaker 2>There's already a power struggle going on there. And she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't come home until three forty five, three forty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's full of champagne, and why wouldn't you lock

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<v Speaker 2>your door by three forty five am?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know she wants to stay warm, so she

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<v Speaker 1>goes in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometime when guys didn't give gals their house key?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even have a house key. And it's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four safer that way for him,