Speaker 1: What are we doing tonight? We are covering this excellent
Speaker 1: little introductory book. It's a little it's written a little weird,
Speaker 1: but it's still a good book.
Speaker 2: I'm still very much enjoying it. It goes very.
Speaker 1: Well with our other text that we have been kind
Speaker 1: of working our way through, which is the Whitney Webb book.
Speaker 1: I did make further progress in that book, and this
Speaker 1: book will tie well in with that one. So these
Speaker 1: two texts are are companion texts.
Speaker 2: We got a nation under you know what.
Speaker 1: And then today we're going to be talking about the
Speaker 1: first half of this excellent, little, sort of obscure nineties
Speaker 1: book that I found. And when I say nineties, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the most nineties book cover ever. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about CNC Music Factory designed cover. I'm talking about things
Speaker 1: that make you go, things that make you go hmmm,
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm talking covers that make Freedom Williams sweat.
Speaker 1: I'm talking Freedom Williams getting a little frisky over here
Speaker 1: when he sees this cover. Sexpionage. That's just the title
Speaker 1: that I gave by Donald Bower. Donald Bower is a
Speaker 1: historical writer. So today's text will be coming to you
Speaker 1: from the domain of history, and what we're going to
Speaker 1: see is that this is a really underrated element of
Speaker 1: how the world really works. That's a crucial theme over
Speaker 1: here on my channel that we've focused on for many years,
Speaker 1: and one of the best insights into how the world
Speaker 1: really works is the study of criminology, the study of
Speaker 1: secret societies, the study of geopolitics, con artist, con men,
Speaker 1: and warfare. All of those things tie together banking economy
Speaker 1: obviously as well to understand what's really going on, because
Speaker 1: most people operate in a sort of delusion, a facsimile
Speaker 1: synthetic worldview where they think the world is as TV
Speaker 1: and their teachers told them, well, I got news for you.
Speaker 1: TV is for dummies, and teachers are the same dummies
Speaker 1: that watch the TV.
Speaker 2: So all your teachers, for the most part, were dummies.
Speaker 1: And if they weren't dummies, they wouldn't have been teachers.
Speaker 2: They would have been doing other things.
Speaker 1: Now, nothing inherently wrong with a teacher, but very few
Speaker 1: teachers actually figure out how the world really works and
Speaker 1: what's really going on. Can people bring beer to your
Speaker 1: live events? Yes, every live event that we've done allows
Speaker 1: you to bring your own alcohol. Biob do you ever
Speaker 1: see that word biob, that's what is referring to bring
Speaker 1: your own alcohol, biob.
Speaker 2: That's what it means. I sure as hell I ain't
Speaker 2: gonna bring you alcohol. I freaking hate alcohol. I'm bringing
Speaker 2: no damn beer.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna contribute to your tits and your fatty fatness.
Speaker 1: I hate alcohol. I go to I fight alcohol, just alcohol.
Speaker 1: I fight beers, not people, just beers.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I go to war against IPAs. Did you not see
Speaker 1: my ip A rant? That's figurative language too for somebody says,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about some of the famous incidents
Speaker 1: in history.
Speaker 2: Where we've seen where we've seen.
Speaker 1: Blackmail, sex espionage and spy operations play a key role
Speaker 1: in turning massive historical.
Speaker 2: Events to the other side.
Speaker 1: We have situations where warfare intelligence was divulged through sexpionage
Speaker 1: and it swung the entire war or the entire battle.
Speaker 1: We have dynasties that have fallen through sexpionage. We have Hey, Janet,
Speaker 1: she can't hear me. She turned that dang dang, ding
Speaker 1: dang washing machine on. Actually, what husbands need to throw
Speaker 1: out the washing machines and make sure that the wives
Speaker 1: hand wash all that shit with that with that old
Speaker 1: Mennonite like that rake, that big old rape machine.
Speaker 2: You know, it looks like a giant cheese grater.
Speaker 1: That's the only way clothes should be washed by all wives.
Speaker 2: There should be a law on the books. That's just
Speaker 2: a joke too.
Speaker 1: By the way, before people freak out, did you hear
Speaker 1: what he said? Mhm, every man should marry one minna
Speaker 1: night wife just for that, for that cheese grater for clothes,
Speaker 1: the giant clothes cheese greater. Anyway, we've seen dynasties fall,
Speaker 1: we have seen cultures implode through degeneracy. We have seen
Speaker 1: all manner of trickery, deception, studies, experiments used via sexpionage,
Speaker 1: and that includes elements of entrapment, elements of com ramot.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of this term? Compramont?
Speaker 1: Compramont is the details and the information that you get
Speaker 1: to blackmail a politician or a powerful person, a leader whoever.
Speaker 1: And so Donald wrote his book in nineteen and or
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 4: Ninety nineteen ninety, so far before we had the details
Speaker 4: of this book, we did have some information that kind
Speaker 4: of told us what was going on.
Speaker 1: And Bower begins his text by saying that.
Speaker 2: Probably the most famous element of this was.
Speaker 1: The KGB's School for Swallows and Ravens. By forty five,
Speaker 1: the Cold War was kicking off, ramping up. And there's
Speaker 1: an interesting part that I thought was a little contradictory
Speaker 1: in Bower's book, which is that he says at the
Speaker 1: beginning that the West didn't like to use operatives for.
Speaker 2: S xpionage.
Speaker 1: Yet we read in many places in his book that
Speaker 1: they did, so I don't know where he gets this.
Speaker 2: Idea. Maybe his distinction is that the West was not actively.
Speaker 1: Engaged in training operatives for this, but rather they had
Speaker 1: no problem, of course getting information from ladies of loose
Speaker 1: morals and shall we say men's of morals, right, both
Speaker 1: things going on, supposedly, Alan Dulles, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I really believe this said that the purpose of intelligence
Speaker 1: is to infiltrate vital elements of the adverts series apparatus
Speaker 1: and to build up local defenses against that penetration by
Speaker 1: keeping countries aware of the nature and extent of the
Speaker 1: peril by assisting internal security services. So the idea is
Speaker 1: that these types of things would not benefit the West.
Speaker 1: Yet six in the CIA used similar quote safe houses
Speaker 1: where Russians were also compromised. So safe houses don't just
Speaker 1: necessarily refer to a place where a spy can find
Speaker 1: refuge if he's on the run or something like that.
Speaker 2: If you watch the movies, that's typically.
Speaker 1: Where safe houses come into play. And yet we're told that, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I guess British intelligence. Let's see, I did engage this. Now,
Speaker 1: if Whitney Webb's information is correct, I think it is.
Speaker 1: Then turns out Justin McAffrey was compromising people for everybody,
Speaker 1: all kinds of intelligence things. So once again, this story
Speaker 1: that the West was not doing this does not seem
Speaker 1: to be very plausible. We get some of these kind
Speaker 1: of boring stories early on in the in the book
Speaker 1: about the k G.
Speaker 2: B Ravens Swallows, which.
Speaker 1: I have to think is pretty Some of these stories
Speaker 1: must be pretty well known or common because they sound
Speaker 1: much like the stories or just give me the episodes
Speaker 1: that The Americans has going on. So if you remember
Speaker 1: in the Americans, I always recommend that show. It's a
Speaker 1: great show. It's very realistic, but it's also got a
Speaker 1: bunch of things kind of smushed into it that it's
Speaker 1: not very realistic.
Speaker 2: Okay, Clark, and.
Speaker 1: Well that's Clark's his name when he's sleeping with that
Speaker 1: boring ass Martha woman. But I forget what's Kerrie Russell's
Speaker 1: character's name. I forget her name Elizabeth and Clark right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this was one of the best TV shows ever, honestly.
Speaker 1: I mean, the show is awesome. It's just a phenomenal
Speaker 1: everything about it. And they ended it well. Most TV
Speaker 1: shows always screw up the ending, right like lost, great show,
Speaker 1: and then we get this goofy, weird ending. But they
Speaker 1: ended this show very well. And there's at least two
Speaker 1: or three sequences I can think of off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. In the Americans, where we get stories
Speaker 1: very similar to what pops up in Bower's book. For example,
Speaker 1: the story of this first guy here, Philip Latour, a
Speaker 1: KGB trapman operation with a character named Philip Latour, a
Speaker 1: French electronics engineer, had a wife and three children. In
Speaker 1: the late nineteen sixties, he was sent he went on
Speaker 1: a vacation to the Mediterranean and decided to visit Russia. Now,
Speaker 1: some many of these stories about these poor, nerdy, lonely
Speaker 1: men and women, and a lot of these people operate
Speaker 1: and work in sensitive areas, so I'm kind of amazed
Speaker 1: and surprised that these people don't really they weren't a
Speaker 1: little suspicious. I mean, like, if you're a boring ass
Speaker 1: boomer dude, and you know you've been with like one
Speaker 1: girl your whole life or something, you know, maybe you.
Speaker 2: Married your sweetheart, you decide to vacation.
Speaker 1: Ember one in Russia in the Cold War? Why the
Speaker 1: hell would you want a vacation in Russia and the
Speaker 1: Cold War? First of all, and then like a babe
Speaker 1: comes up to you, Come on, dude, you've.
Speaker 2: Got no sense at all. Okay, nines and tens.
Speaker 1: Bombshell babes are not interested in boring ass boomers. But
Speaker 1: what's pretty amazing throughout this book and in many of
Speaker 1: the cases that you read of the entrapment operations or
Speaker 1: of these kinds of raven and are going to swallow
Speaker 1: apple operations. Typically sometimes it happens with women, but more
Speaker 1: so obviously with the dudes. Like what is going on
Speaker 1: in the minds of these dudes, Like they actually think
Speaker 1: that some bombshell supervidl chick is into them when they're
Speaker 1: totally like the most boring middle class job, but they
Speaker 1: just happen to be working at some facility that makes
Speaker 1: nuclear sub you know technology, or they work at some facility.
Speaker 2: That makes like I don't know, you know, black hop.
Speaker 1: Helicopters, and then it's suddenly like a babe is into
Speaker 1: Come on, dude.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing, like the level of naivety on a
Speaker 2: lot of these people. But such is the power of
Speaker 2: our drive to appropriate. It's one of the most effective
Speaker 2: ways to get people. So I'll see if we can
Speaker 2: find this poor chap.
Speaker 1: I want to see what he looks like, Philip Latour
Speaker 1: KGB entrapment. So let's take a look at this guy,
Speaker 1: this French dude. And we may not have any any
Speaker 1: pictures of him.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's hard to find pictures of these people. I don't
Speaker 1: see any pictures, but who knows. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: any of these dudes. What is this chick?
Speaker 2: What she doing? Is this the girl? Then it trapped him?
Speaker 2: That was like an AI picture.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of all these AI pictures flooding everywhere, making
Speaker 1: everything confusing, and you can't tell what's real.
Speaker 2: And what's not.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so there's no pictures. Nobody knows about this guy.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these stories are very similar to
Speaker 1: what we see in the episodes of The Americans. If
Speaker 1: you've never seen it, high they recommend it. The next
Speaker 1: example is the case I think in the very first
Speaker 1: season Carrie Russell entraps some nerdy government dude. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that when she's all like, it's pretty a little riskue.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Clark, who is the main character here, he's entraps this
Speaker 1: woman who works at the State Department, I think, and
Speaker 1: he develops this relationship with her, and he pretends to
Speaker 1: be also working at a government job that doesn't allow
Speaker 1: him to devolve much information or that he can't have
Speaker 1: a normal relationship with her because of his spy work man.
Speaker 1: So uh, he dons this very nerdy appearance, which is
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Here's Clark, and here's Clark seducing Martha as
Speaker 1: you can see.
Speaker 2: And this is I think very accurate. This is very realistic.
Speaker 1: And the next story that he gives as his example
Speaker 1: is the exploits of a raven named Hans Suderlin, and
Speaker 1: Hans Suderland is trained in Moscow to go after and
Speaker 1: entrap a I think a secretary at NATO, and this
Speaker 1: is very.
Speaker 2: Close to the type of story that you have with Clark.
Speaker 2: And Martha.
Speaker 1: So I tend to think maybe a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of Clark, these kinds of stories that we read here. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so he entraps this woman.
Speaker 2: Let's see what her name was, Leonora Hines. She was
Speaker 2: a lonely spinster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is exactly like Martha, and I think she
Speaker 1: ends up killing her. So one of these women ends
Speaker 1: up killing killing herself because unliving because of the the trauma.
Speaker 1: Now some of these people the situations get really tense too,
Speaker 1: because they're forced into working for these entities and they're
Speaker 1: told if they don't then they will.
Speaker 2: They will be put in some.
Speaker 1: Sort of prison Lubianca or something, or they will be
Speaker 1: exposed in their home country.
Speaker 2: So that's of course the point of the lot of
Speaker 2: the entropment. But he notes that.
Speaker 1: The recruiting and training of espionized agents, including swallows and ravens,
Speaker 1: it is a unique aspect of the Soviet system. In
Speaker 1: the United States, they do not obtain recruits from excuse me,
Speaker 1: the United States and Western countries obtained recruits from the
Speaker 1: military or from selected men and women of all walks
Speaker 1: in life who combined their espionage activities with regular normal
Speaker 1: ways of making a living.
Speaker 2: During the Cold War. Russians, however, chose.
Speaker 1: Chose their people very carefully acquiring all the necessary background
Speaker 1: information and submitting their potential spies to a rigid course training.
Speaker 2: So you get to.
Speaker 1: Go to to Hump school, which you get your bahd
Speaker 1: at pu.
Speaker 2: I went to Hump School, got a pH d, got
Speaker 2: a pH d and d.
Speaker 1: Y'all laughing like like it's fun over here, coughing, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get on a life stream.
Speaker 2: And cough haha, I'm gonna cough at them people.
Speaker 1: Y'all just mad because I got I'm a validict I'm
Speaker 1: a validictorian of Hump School.
Speaker 2: I'm trying, man, I'm trying. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: want me to do. I'm trying my best over here.
Speaker 2: I got a pimp andhose degree, a PhD, a nkv D.
Speaker 1: I got a PhD from the nkv D or a
Speaker 1: valedictorian d.
Speaker 2: And we just dropped one hundred people for that joke.
Speaker 2: Where do y'all? Where are you going?
Speaker 1: There's nothing else going on tonight. I assure you of
Speaker 1: that this is where it's at. Anyway, The majority of
Speaker 1: spies for Russian and Communist nationals of the country in
Speaker 1: which they operate, following the two categories those who believe
Speaker 1: strongly in the ideology and they are willing to or
Speaker 1: those who are willing to betray, or those who could
Speaker 1: be blackmail. This is very common. This reminds us of
Speaker 1: what m i CE. We went into detail recently on
Speaker 1: several podcasts on this. Actually, Pearl actually asked us a
Speaker 1: bunch of questions about m CE. You guys, remember mice, money, ideology, compromise,
Speaker 1: and ego. Those are typically the things that are used
Speaker 1: to compromise people. Now, this also recalls the Americans this
Speaker 1: chapter because he says that there was the Marx Ingles
Speaker 1: sex school set up outside of Moscow.
Speaker 2: This is pretty crazy. Have you ever heard of this.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can find this the Marx, we
Speaker 1: might get some else. Maybe I shouldn't type that in, right,
Speaker 1: but it's just.
Speaker 2: Pretty wild that you know, nobody knows about this and
Speaker 2: yet this was like a huge part of our history. Okay,
Speaker 2: so nothing comes up.
Speaker 1: But of course you can't trust any of this Wikipedia
Speaker 1: stuff anyway, because I mean they don't even pull up
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, the search engines don't hardly work anymore.
Speaker 1: But if you remember in The Americans, there was that
Speaker 1: key sequence where they flashed back to the training of
Speaker 1: the main guy and Kerry Russell, and they were trained
Speaker 1: in a completely synthetic Soviet version of America. So the
Speaker 1: Soviets would build these entire American neighborhoods in towns to
Speaker 1: train their illegals operatives, and the Americans, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: is about the illegals, the illegals being director s of
Speaker 1: the KGB where they were trained to come over into
Speaker 1: and embed themselves and live in America as Americans. Their
Speaker 1: entire life almost become an American family, uh, and to
Speaker 1: you know, engage in really important operations, espionage, spying, whatever
Speaker 1: was needed. Now, according to Mark, the illegals were not
Speaker 1: the ones that, for example, would engage in assassinations. There
Speaker 1: was a whole other arm of the KGB that was
Speaker 1: dealing with assassinations. But in the movie, in the Show
Speaker 1: of the Americans, they kind of combine it into this
Speaker 1: kind of unrealistic situation where basically Carrie Russell's like sexually
Speaker 1: entrapping somebody, She's going and assassinating somebody else, and then
Speaker 1: she's driving home to make dinner for her family, like
Speaker 1: in the same day. I mean, come on, that's a
Speaker 1: little a little much. But now, why are we talking
Speaker 1: about this in the fake neighborhoods? Because think about the
Speaker 1: extent to which the Soviet version you could say of
Speaker 1: mk ultra here. Think how extensive and in depth this is.
Speaker 1: They're building entire fake American neighborhoods, and this is real,
Speaker 1: so that these agents would go and they would live
Speaker 1: in these American neighborhoods when they're young. In this story,
Speaker 1: they're paired up Carrie Russell and I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 1: They're paired up and put into the neighborhood which has
Speaker 1: them all a movie theater like a school apartment, and
Speaker 1: they lived there for two or three years. They learned
Speaker 1: English everything about American culture. I wish I could pull
Speaker 1: up the maybe I could let you know what, you
Speaker 1: guys should watch that scene. Let's see if there's a
Speaker 1: clip of that, and I'll put it in the chat
Speaker 1: for you guys. You guys can watch it later. But
Speaker 1: let's see the Americans fake fake neighborhood. Let's try that.
Speaker 1: Because I don't remember which episode it is.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go now stand discovers Philip as a spy.
Speaker 2: That's famous scene.
Speaker 1: Let's see the Americans Soviet All right, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think anything's gonna come up, but you get the idea.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing about the fake neighborhoods. I was
Speaker 1: getting at, Because if they're going to that extent in
Speaker 1: terms of training their operatives in sort of fake American neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: then we find out, as Boer writes in his book,
Speaker 1: that they made a masterful study, so to speak, of
Speaker 1: everything to do with SCX, to the extent that well,
Speaker 1: let me read what he says. Those enrolled in these
Speaker 1: schools received lectures on everything to do with the habits
Speaker 1: of the target country where they're going. In these fake cities,
Speaker 1: they live in surroundings built to stimulate the towns and
Speaker 1: the areas in which we'll be operating, very much like
Speaker 1: a Hollywood movie set, supermarkets, movie theaters, shops, people where
Speaker 1: the costumes of their adopted residents to become part of
Speaker 1: that everyday life. Meticulous attention is given to every detail,
Speaker 1: how to purchase a bus, ticket, tickets to the movies,
Speaker 1: ordering a meal, the proper amount to tip in that country,
Speaker 1: men's magazines or studies studied.
Speaker 2: This is back in the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Prawn movies are imported and are shown regularly to the operatives.
Speaker 1: Why is this well, men chosen to be ravens are
Speaker 1: required to sleep with their girlfriends to lose all inhibitions,
Speaker 1: and are ordered to make and to indulge in skittles
Speaker 1: activities with other men. All of the students learn how
Speaker 1: to drug to take care of people in emergency situations
Speaker 1: with unliving cigarettes, candy or whatever can be used. Soviets
Speaker 1: who enter this branch of the KGB are unaware of
Speaker 1: the kind of training they will undergo, to the extent
Speaker 1: of the degradation that they suffer by offering themselves to
Speaker 1: the service of their country or ideology Marxism. And from
Speaker 1: the beginning, these agents are taught that the use of
Speaker 1: sex as an espionage tool is a patriotic duty.
Speaker 2: So did you.
Speaker 1: Notice that they're intentionally degraded? Now think about this. If
Speaker 1: the Soviets had figured out ways to create entire fake
Speaker 1: neighborhoods and sex schools to degrade and mind control their
Speaker 1: operatives into being this, do you think that the West
Speaker 1: and the CIA and the pop stars and the other
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies in the West. Do you think they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing the same thing? Of course they would. Are
Speaker 1: there any morals? I mean, come on, they're not constrained
Speaker 1: by So everybody in Eurasia is immoral and everybody in
Speaker 1: the West is moral?
Speaker 2: Come on, are you that naive? This is silly.
Speaker 1: In other words, this is another attestation to the reality
Speaker 1: of perhaps people even in the pop scene, undergoing similar
Speaker 1: types of things.
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If agents can be trained in foreign countries to be
Speaker 1: handled sex slaves, it does seem plausible that it could
Speaker 1: occur in our country as well via.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a Brittany or something. You see
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: Let this has honey in it, So I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do my best.
Speaker 1: Now we don't know if Now I think the fake
Speaker 1: cities and the sex sex schools were real. Do you
Speaker 1: guys remember we covered we did an analysis back at
Speaker 1: the time, uh of Red Sparrow.
Speaker 2: I did not think this was a very good movie.
Speaker 1: I think it was a lot of propaganda, but it
Speaker 1: did have some elements to it. Remember with Jaylaw. Remember Jaylaw.
Speaker 1: This movie is about what I'm talking about. And did
Speaker 1: nobody watch this? It's a thirty three million views. Nobody
Speaker 1: remembers this. Come on, y'all, know what's up where y'all at?
Speaker 1: So Jaylaw is she's a Russian you know, ballerina or whatever.
Speaker 1: And she's recruited into this school or one of these.
Speaker 1: She's sent to one in Kazakhstan, right and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: then this is her being sent on her first mission
Speaker 1: to h to entertain this diplomat or whatever. I forget
Speaker 1: all the details of it, but here she is flashing
Speaker 1: back when she sent to her.
Speaker 2: School.
Speaker 1: And then they got this woman that's like Rosa Club.
Speaker 1: I think they actually intentionally chose like a Rosa Club
Speaker 1: type woman. Now, if you don't remember, this is her
Speaker 1: right here in the old James Bond stories. That's why
Speaker 1: Ian Fleming put Rosa Club in this very position.
Speaker 2: And in the one with.
Speaker 1: The Turkish intelligence guy bay by e Y that Bond
Speaker 1: goes and talks to and Constantinople is that doctor No
Speaker 1: Rosa Cleb is the handler to the blonde woman that
Speaker 1: Bond I don't know he does he flip her to
Speaker 1: the West. I can't remember. But it's been a while
Speaker 1: since I've watched Doctor No. But I think that's Doctor
Speaker 1: No with whe where he goes to Turkey. Right, But
Speaker 1: it's very similar to this, and these things are both
Speaker 1: of these situations are based in reality. So you have
Speaker 1: this sort of Rosa club woman and Rosa clubs intended to.
Speaker 2: Be a L E. S B I A N like
Speaker 2: my glasses, right.
Speaker 1: Because the idea is that in these sex schools, people
Speaker 1: are being taught this and they're being degraded and initiated
Speaker 1: into this operative role. Of course, Jylaw is you know,
Speaker 1: she's super soldier, slay queen and she you know whatever.
Speaker 1: And then what's this guy's name, I forget his name,
Speaker 1: he's a Russians or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, but now.
Speaker 1: Remember the the the West, of course, is a super
Speaker 1: moral about oh we're so moral or so moral, and
Speaker 1: then yet the West pushes all the most dgen stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, so so.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh look, how look how evil uh n
Speaker 1: KVD was And yeah, I think the nk v D
Speaker 1: was evil. This is evil to put it's evil to
Speaker 1: put people into this, to ruin their lives and do
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, right, government funded you know, mind control,
Speaker 1: sex control. Right, and yet our entire apparatus in the
Speaker 1: West from the top down, the corporate elite down pushes
Speaker 1: stuff worse than this. So where's all the moralizing. Actually,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. They're both bad. As my point,
Speaker 1: are you kg be up? No, I'm saying they're both.
Speaker 1: You can't understand that two sides are bad. So he
Speaker 1: goes a few cases like this of kind of stories
Speaker 1: that are kind of boring. I'll pass because just basically
Speaker 1: people being manipulated at a basic level about you know,
Speaker 1: being lonely and looking for companionship, and it's usually just
Speaker 1: some naval engineer guy who's nerdy, and again this hot
Speaker 1: Russian chick or hot German chick, you know, chats him
Speaker 1: up and he's like totally entranced because he thinks he's
Speaker 1: a mac daddy when he's like a boring bloomer beta.
Speaker 2: Man and he falls.
Speaker 1: But the next most interesting element that I did not
Speaker 1: know that did surprise me. Oh, by the way, there
Speaker 1: was a story too where the kg BE engineered a
Speaker 1: fake r ape case.
Speaker 2: And it was somebody high pro fall. Let's see who
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Oh, this was the Philip Latour guy. So this was
Speaker 1: the French guy we were talking about earlier, and they
Speaker 1: gave him a bunch of drinks of wine.
Speaker 2: He was chatting it up with this babe, and.
Speaker 1: They put a woman around him when he passed out,
Speaker 1: when he was drugged, and he woke up and she
Speaker 1: ran away claiming that she had been R A p
Speaker 1: E d. So then the KGB had this apparent R
Speaker 1: A PE situation and they were blackmailing this guy to
Speaker 1: get information on whatever radio technology he was working on
Speaker 1: during the Cold War for the French government. But I
Speaker 1: think this guy had disclosed what happened, so he didn't
Speaker 1: actually he lost his job in his security clearance, but
Speaker 1: he didn't end up, you know, destroyed by the KGB.
Speaker 1: So that's very reminiscent in the Americans in the episode
Speaker 1: where they entrap and stage a scenario with I think
Speaker 1: he's a Polish diplomat. If I recall and there's like
Speaker 1: a un meeting, maybe it's supposed to be something akin
Speaker 1: to lack of Alessa. I don't think it's intentionally like MELLSSA.
Speaker 1: I think in the Americans it's like somebody who works
Speaker 1: with like Melessa and the KGB, Carrie Russell or.
Speaker 2: Somebody like does this type of thing. Now here's the
Speaker 2: really crazy part. Did you know? I did not know this.
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about Chay Gavara. I'm
Speaker 1: not super well studied on Latin South America, you know,
Speaker 1: operations and all that.
Speaker 2: I know a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've read Servondo Gonzalez's book, but Savondo's book is about Castro,
Speaker 1: so I don't know much about Chay.
Speaker 2: But it turns out Chay was being spied on and
Speaker 2: was being.
Speaker 1: Kind of, I would say, manipulated, But the intention was
Speaker 1: to man late Cha via his girlfriend, this Latin American.
Speaker 2: What did this guy called her?
Speaker 1: His steamy, steamy Latin American girlfriend or Bolivian girlfriend. Let's
Speaker 1: see who she was, Laura Martinez, Ladra Martinez, Abrol Abrol.
Speaker 2: You better get this, You better get his steamy girl
Speaker 2: out of Hebro. She's barely gonna spy on me.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: She was sent by the KGB to spy on Chay
Speaker 1: because Chay was not following everything that the Soviet party
Speaker 1: line wanted.
Speaker 2: And I've heard some other dudes pretty well studied in
Speaker 2: the history of Chay.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know that much about Chay, but they
Speaker 1: were arguing the same thing that actually Chay was a
Speaker 1: little more off script than Castro, and this is actually
Speaker 1: the reason why Chay was taken out. And this girlfriend
Speaker 1: was a big part of this.
Speaker 2: So she was in forming and spying on him the
Speaker 2: entire time to the KGB, and they wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure that they kept Chay in line.
Speaker 1: And uh, Boward says, after a matter of month, she
Speaker 1: had built up a substantial army. However, the Soviets were
Speaker 1: concerned that Chay was preaching a creed of Marxism that
Speaker 1: the USSR didn't exactly want.
Speaker 2: He was becoming a.
Speaker 1: Little too powerful, and the girlfriend was given orders to
Speaker 1: betray the Gorilla Revolution. So excuse me, Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a difference. This is a different girl, Tanya. Let's see,
Speaker 1: I thought we're talking about Laura. Let's hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: getting confused with Chay's girlfriends here, all right, Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So Tanya is Laura Martinez's code name.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, That's why I was confused. So it turns out.
Speaker 1: She was spying on him, She was informing on him,
Speaker 1: and the kg BE could putting pressure on her to
Speaker 1: get him in line or to undermine his revolution, and
Speaker 1: it ended up.
Speaker 2: Not working. It says Tanya was giving orders to betray Chay.
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty seven, she passed information to General one
Speaker 2: Jose Torres, the.
Speaker 1: Bolivian chief of staff, giving away the location of Chay's
Speaker 1: Gorilla camps. Chay was captured and shot by the Bolivian
Speaker 1: Army sergeant and Tanya was then reportedly killed in an ambush,
Speaker 1: but her body was never found, so the whole So
Speaker 1: basically Chay got screwed over by this chick, and that's
Speaker 1: why his whole thing failed. And I'm guessing that she
Speaker 1: leaked his location to the right wing government, which is
Speaker 1: ironic because.
Speaker 5: Uh, let's see who that was, the Bolivian leader, Juan
Speaker 5: Jose Thoris.
Speaker 2: April.
Speaker 3: But you better get his chicata, bro, she's barely going
Speaker 3: to betray you, man, but for real, like, she's barely
Speaker 3: gonna betray you, Jose.
Speaker 2: One Jose Thoris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely looks like a right wing leader. No socialist,
Speaker 1: he's not, so I guess he's a rival to Chay.
Speaker 2: Fiftieth President of Bolivia. He was murdered in.
Speaker 1: The frame of the United States backed Operation Condor. By
Speaker 1: the way, of course, Pope Francis participated in Operation condor
Speaker 1: if you didn't know.
Speaker 2: Aiding.
Speaker 1: Let's see, though most military leaders in Latin America have
Speaker 1: been associated with the right wing, Torres was a left
Speaker 1: wing socialist. But I guess he didn't like Chay Interesting
Speaker 1: all of this Latin South American Cold War stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like a giant.
Speaker 2: Thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about all that's not that's
Speaker 1: not my I mean, I know a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it's it's his own just I mean, it's it's you
Speaker 1: guy spent your whole life on like CIA Soviet operations
Speaker 1: in Latin South America anyway,