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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing tonight? We are covering this excellent

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<v Speaker 1>little introductory book. It's a little it's written a little weird,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still a good book.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still very much enjoying it. It goes very.

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<v Speaker 1>Well with our other text that we have been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of working our way through, which is the Whitney Webb book.

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<v Speaker 1>I did make further progress in that book, and this

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<v Speaker 1>book will tie well in with that one. So these

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<v Speaker 1>two texts are are companion texts.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a nation under you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>And then today we're going to be talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>first half of this excellent, little, sort of obscure nineties

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<v Speaker 1>book that I found. And when I say nineties, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the most nineties book cover ever. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about CNC Music Factory designed cover. I'm talking about things

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<v Speaker 1>that make you go, things that make you go hmmm,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking. I'm talking covers that make Freedom Williams sweat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking Freedom Williams getting a little frisky over here

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<v Speaker 1>when he sees this cover. Sexpionage. That's just the title

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<v Speaker 1>that I gave by Donald Bower. Donald Bower is a

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<v Speaker 1>historical writer. So today's text will be coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>from the domain of history, and what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see is that this is a really underrated element of

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<v Speaker 1>how the world really works. That's a crucial theme over

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<v Speaker 1>here on my channel that we've focused on for many years,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the best insights into how the world

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<v Speaker 1>really works is the study of criminology, the study of

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<v Speaker 1>secret societies, the study of geopolitics, con artist, con men,

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<v Speaker 1>and warfare. All of those things tie together banking economy

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<v Speaker 1>obviously as well to understand what's really going on, because

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<v Speaker 1>most people operate in a sort of delusion, a facsimile

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic worldview where they think the world is as TV

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<v Speaker 1>and their teachers told them, well, I got news for you.

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<v Speaker 1>TV is for dummies, and teachers are the same dummies

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<v Speaker 1>that watch the TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So all your teachers, for the most part, were dummies.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they weren't dummies, they wouldn't have been teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have been doing other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, nothing inherently wrong with a teacher, but very few

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<v Speaker 1>teachers actually figure out how the world really works and

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<v Speaker 1>what's really going on. Can people bring beer to your

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<v Speaker 1>live events? Yes, every live event that we've done allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to bring your own alcohol. Biob do you ever

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<v Speaker 1>see that word biob, that's what is referring to bring

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<v Speaker 1>your own alcohol, biob.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it means. I sure as hell I ain't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna bring you alcohol. I freaking hate alcohol. I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 2>no damn beer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna contribute to your tits and your fatty fatness.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate alcohol. I go to I fight alcohol, just alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>I fight beers, not people, just beers.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to war against IPAs. Did you not see

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<v Speaker 1>my ip A rant? That's figurative language too for somebody says,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's talk about some of the famous incidents

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<v Speaker 1>in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Where we've seen where we've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Blackmail, sex espionage and spy operations play a key role

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<v Speaker 1>in turning massive historical.

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<v Speaker 2>Events to the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>We have situations where warfare intelligence was divulged through sexpionage

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<v Speaker 1>and it swung the entire war or the entire battle.

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<v Speaker 1>We have dynasties that have fallen through sexpionage. We have Hey, Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>she can't hear me. She turned that dang dang, ding

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<v Speaker 1>dang washing machine on. Actually, what husbands need to throw

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<v Speaker 1>out the washing machines and make sure that the wives

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<v Speaker 1>hand wash all that shit with that with that old

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<v Speaker 1>Mennonite like that rake, that big old rape machine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it looks like a giant cheese grater.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way clothes should be washed by all wives.

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<v Speaker 2>There should be a law on the books. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>a joke too.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, before people freak out, did you hear

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<v Speaker 1>what he said? Mhm, every man should marry one minna

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<v Speaker 1>night wife just for that, for that cheese grater for clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>the giant clothes cheese greater. Anyway, we've seen dynasties fall,

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen cultures implode through degeneracy. We have seen

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<v Speaker 1>all manner of trickery, deception, studies, experiments used via sexpionage,

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<v Speaker 1>and that includes elements of entrapment, elements of com ramot.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of this term? Compramont?

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<v Speaker 1>Compramont is the details and the information that you get

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<v Speaker 1>to blackmail a politician or a powerful person, a leader whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Donald wrote his book in nineteen and or

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<v Speaker 1>was it.

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<v Speaker 4>Ninety nineteen ninety, so far before we had the details

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<v Speaker 4>of this book, we did have some information that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of told us what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bower begins his text by saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably the most famous element of this was.

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<v Speaker 1>The KGB's School for Swallows and Ravens. By forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War was kicking off, ramping up. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting part that I thought was a little contradictory

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<v Speaker 1>in Bower's book, which is that he says at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning that the West didn't like to use operatives for.

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<v Speaker 2>S xpionage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet we read in many places in his book that

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<v Speaker 1>they did, so I don't know where he gets this.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea. Maybe his distinction is that the West was not actively.

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<v Speaker 1>Engaged in training operatives for this, but rather they had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, of course getting information from ladies of loose

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<v Speaker 1>morals and shall we say men's of morals, right, both

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<v Speaker 1>things going on, supposedly, Alan Dulles, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe this said that the purpose of intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>is to infiltrate vital elements of the adverts series apparatus

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<v Speaker 1>and to build up local defenses against that penetration by

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<v Speaker 1>keeping countries aware of the nature and extent of the

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<v Speaker 1>peril by assisting internal security services. So the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that these types of things would not benefit the West.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet six in the CIA used similar quote safe houses

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<v Speaker 1>where Russians were also compromised. So safe houses don't just

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily refer to a place where a spy can find

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<v Speaker 1>refuge if he's on the run or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you watch the movies, that's typically.

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<v Speaker 1>Where safe houses come into play. And yet we're told that, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess British intelligence. Let's see, I did engage this. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if Whitney Webb's information is correct, I think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Then turns out Justin McAffrey was compromising people for everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of intelligence things. So once again, this story

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<v Speaker 1>that the West was not doing this does not seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be very plausible. We get some of these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of boring stories early on in the in the book

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<v Speaker 1>about the k G.

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<v Speaker 2>B Ravens Swallows, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to think is pretty Some of these stories

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<v Speaker 1>must be pretty well known or common because they sound

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<v Speaker 1>much like the stories or just give me the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that The Americans has going on. So if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>in the Americans, I always recommend that show. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great show. It's very realistic, but it's also got a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of things kind of smushed into it that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not very realistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Clark, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's Clark's his name when he's sleeping with that

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<v Speaker 1>boring ass Martha woman. But I forget what's Kerrie Russell's

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<v Speaker 1>character's name. I forget her name Elizabeth and Clark right. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this was one of the best TV shows ever, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the show is awesome. It's just a phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>everything about it. And they ended it well. Most TV

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<v Speaker 1>shows always screw up the ending, right like lost, great show,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we get this goofy, weird ending. But they

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<v Speaker 1>ended this show very well. And there's at least two

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<v Speaker 1>or three sequences I can think of off the top

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<v Speaker 1>of my head. In the Americans, where we get stories

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to what pops up in Bower's book. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of this first guy here, Philip Latour, a

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<v Speaker 1>KGB trapman operation with a character named Philip Latour, a

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<v Speaker 1>French electronics engineer, had a wife and three children. In

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen sixties, he was sent he went on

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<v Speaker 1>a vacation to the Mediterranean and decided to visit Russia. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some many of these stories about these poor, nerdy, lonely

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<v Speaker 1>men and women, and a lot of these people operate

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<v Speaker 1>and work in sensitive areas, so I'm kind of amazed

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<v Speaker 1>and surprised that these people don't really they weren't a

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<v Speaker 1>little suspicious. I mean, like, if you're a boring ass

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<v Speaker 1>boomer dude, and you know you've been with like one

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<v Speaker 1>girl your whole life or something, you know, maybe you.

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<v Speaker 2>Married your sweetheart, you decide to vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>Ember one in Russia in the Cold War? Why the

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<v Speaker 1>hell would you want a vacation in Russia and the

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<v Speaker 1>Cold War? First of all, and then like a babe

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<v Speaker 1>comes up to you, Come on, dude, you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got no sense at all. Okay, nines and tens.

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<v Speaker 1>Bombshell babes are not interested in boring ass boomers. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's pretty amazing throughout this book and in many of

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<v Speaker 1>the cases that you read of the entrapment operations or

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<v Speaker 1>of these kinds of raven and are going to swallow

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<v Speaker 1>apple operations. Typically sometimes it happens with women, but more

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously with the dudes. Like what is going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the minds of these dudes, Like they actually think

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<v Speaker 1>that some bombshell supervidl chick is into them when they're

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<v Speaker 1>totally like the most boring middle class job, but they

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<v Speaker 1>just happen to be working at some facility that makes

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear sub you know technology, or they work at some facility.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes like I don't know, you know, black hop.

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<v Speaker 1>Helicopters, and then it's suddenly like a babe is into

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just amazing, like the level of naivety on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these people. But such is the power of

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<v Speaker 2>our drive to appropriate. It's one of the most effective

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<v Speaker 2>ways to get people. So I'll see if we can

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<v Speaker 2>find this poor chap.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see what he looks like, Philip Latour

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<v Speaker 1>KGB entrapment. So let's take a look at this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this French dude. And we may not have any any

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to find pictures of these people. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see any pictures, but who knows. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>any of these dudes. What is this chick?

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<v Speaker 2>What she doing? Is this the girl? Then it trapped him?

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<v Speaker 2>That was like an AI picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of all these AI pictures flooding everywhere, making

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<v Speaker 1>everything confusing, and you can't tell what's real.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so there's no pictures. Nobody knows about this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these stories are very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>what we see in the episodes of The Americans. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've never seen it, high they recommend it. The next

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<v Speaker 1>example is the case I think in the very first

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<v Speaker 1>season Carrie Russell entraps some nerdy government dude. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that when she's all like, it's pretty a little riskue.

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>Clark, who is the main character here, he's entraps this

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<v Speaker 1>woman who works at the State Department, I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>he develops this relationship with her, and he pretends to

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<v Speaker 1>be also working at a government job that doesn't allow

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<v Speaker 1>him to devolve much information or that he can't have

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<v Speaker 1>a normal relationship with her because of his spy work man.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, he dons this very nerdy appearance, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty funny. Here's Clark, and here's Clark seducing Martha as

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<v Speaker 2>And this is I think very accurate. This is very realistic.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next story that he gives as his example

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<v Speaker 2>Close to the type of story that you have with Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Now some of these people the situations get really tense too,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's of course the point of the lot of

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<v Speaker 1>The recruiting and training of espionized agents, including swallows and ravens,

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<v Speaker 2>During the Cold War. Russians, however, chose.

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<v Speaker 1>Chose their people very carefully acquiring all the necessary background

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<v Speaker 1>information and submitting their potential spies to a rigid course training.

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<v Speaker 2>So you get to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to to Hump school, which you get your bahd

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Hump School, got a pH d, got

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all laughing like like it's fun over here, coughing, I

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<v Speaker 2>And cough haha, I'm gonna cough at them people.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all just mad because I got I'm a validict I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying, man, I'm trying. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to do. I'm trying my best over here.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a pimp andhose degree, a PhD, a nkv D.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a PhD from the nkv D or a

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<v Speaker 2>And we just dropped one hundred people for that joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do y'all? Where are you going?

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing else going on tonight. I assure you of

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<v Speaker 1>that this is where it's at. Anyway, The majority of

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<v Speaker 1>which they operate, following the two categories those who believe

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<v Speaker 1>strongly in the ideology and they are willing to or

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<v Speaker 1>those who are willing to betray, or those who could

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<v Speaker 1>be blackmail. This is very common. This reminds us of

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<v Speaker 1>what m i CE. We went into detail recently on

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<v Speaker 1>several podcasts on this. Actually, Pearl actually asked us a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of questions about m CE. You guys, remember mice, money, ideology, compromise,

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<v Speaker 1>and ego. Those are typically the things that are used

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<v Speaker 1>to compromise people. Now, this also recalls the Americans this

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<v Speaker 1>chapter because he says that there was the Marx Ingles

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<v Speaker 1>sex school set up outside of Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pretty crazy. Have you ever heard of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see if we can find this the Marx, we

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<v Speaker 1>might get some else. Maybe I shouldn't type that in, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty wild that you know, nobody knows about this and

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<v Speaker 2>yet this was like a huge part of our history. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so nothing comes up.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course you can't trust any of this Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 1>stuff anyway, because I mean they don't even pull up

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, basically, the search engines don't hardly work anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you remember in The Americans, there was that

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<v Speaker 1>key sequence where they flashed back to the training of

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<v Speaker 1>the main guy and Kerry Russell, and they were trained

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<v Speaker 1>in a completely synthetic Soviet version of America. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviets would build these entire American neighborhoods in towns to

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<v Speaker 1>train their illegals operatives, and the Americans, as you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>is about the illegals, the illegals being director s of

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<v Speaker 1>the KGB where they were trained to come over into

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<v Speaker 1>entire life almost become an American family, uh, and to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, engage in really important operations, espionage, spying, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>was needed. Now, according to Mark, the illegals were not

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that, for example, would engage in assassinations. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole other arm of the KGB that was

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with assassinations. But in the movie, in the Show

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<v Speaker 1>of the Americans, they kind of combine it into this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of unrealistic situation where basically Carrie Russell's like sexually

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<v Speaker 1>entrapping somebody, She's going and assassinating somebody else, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she's driving home to make dinner for her family, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the same day. I mean, come on, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little much. But now, why are we talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this in the fake neighborhoods? Because think about the

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<v Speaker 1>extent to which the Soviet version you could say of

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<v Speaker 1>mk ultra here. Think how extensive and in depth this is.

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<v Speaker 1>They're building entire fake American neighborhoods, and this is real,

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<v Speaker 1>so that these agents would go and they would live

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<v Speaker 1>in these American neighborhoods when they're young. In this story,

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<v Speaker 1>they're paired up Carrie Russell and I forget the guy's name.

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<v Speaker 1>They're paired up and put into the neighborhood which has

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<v Speaker 1>them all a movie theater like a school apartment, and

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<v Speaker 1>they lived there for two or three years. They learned

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<v Speaker 1>English everything about American culture. I wish I could pull

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<v Speaker 1>up the maybe I could let you know what, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys should watch that scene. Let's see if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>clip of that, and I'll put it in the chat

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<v Speaker 1>for you guys. You guys can watch it later. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's see the Americans fake fake neighborhood. Let's try that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't remember which episode it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, here we go now stand discovers Philip as a spy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's famous scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see the Americans Soviet All right, Well, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anything's gonna come up, but you get the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing about the fake neighborhoods. I was

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<v Speaker 1>terms of training their operatives in sort of fake American neighborhoods,

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<v Speaker 1>then we find out, as Boer writes in his book,

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<v Speaker 1>that they made a masterful study, so to speak, of

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<v Speaker 1>everything to do with SCX, to the extent that well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me read what he says. Those enrolled in these

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<v Speaker 1>schools received lectures on everything to do with the habits

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<v Speaker 1>of the target country where they're going. In these fake cities,

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<v Speaker 1>they live in surroundings built to stimulate the towns and

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<v Speaker 1>the areas in which we'll be operating, very much like

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<v Speaker 1>a Hollywood movie set, supermarkets, movie theaters, shops, people where

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<v Speaker 1>the costumes of their adopted residents to become part of

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<v Speaker 1>that everyday life. Meticulous attention is given to every detail,

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<v Speaker 1>how to purchase a bus, ticket, tickets to the movies,

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<v Speaker 1>ordering a meal, the proper amount to tip in that country,

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<v Speaker 1>men's magazines or studies studied.

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<v Speaker 2>This is back in the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 1>Prawn movies are imported and are shown regularly to the operatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this well, men chosen to be ravens are

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<v Speaker 1>and are ordered to make and to indulge in skittles

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<v Speaker 1>activities with other men. All of the students learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to drug to take care of people in emergency situations

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<v Speaker 1>with unliving cigarettes, candy or whatever can be used. Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>who enter this branch of the KGB are unaware of

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of training they will undergo, to the extent

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<v Speaker 1>of the degradation that they suffer by offering themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>the service of their country or ideology Marxism. And from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, these agents are taught that the use of

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<v Speaker 1>sex as an espionage tool is a patriotic duty.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Notice that they're intentionally degraded? Now think about this. If

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets had figured out ways to create entire fake

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods and sex schools to degrade and mind control their

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<v Speaker 1>operatives into being this, do you think that the West

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<v Speaker 1>and the CIA and the pop stars and the other

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence agencies in the West. Do you think they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be doing the same thing? Of course they would. Are

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<v Speaker 1>there any morals? I mean, come on, they're not constrained

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<v Speaker 1>by So everybody in Eurasia is immoral and everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the West is moral?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, are you that naive? This is silly.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, this is another attestation to the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of perhaps people even in the pop scene, undergoing similar

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<v Speaker 1>types of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>If agents can be trained in foreign countries to be

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<v Speaker 1>handled sex slaves, it does seem plausible that it could

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<v Speaker 1>occur in our country as well via.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like a Brittany or something. You see

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm getting at.

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<v Speaker 1>Let this has honey in it, So I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to do my best.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we don't know if Now I think the fake

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<v Speaker 1>cities and the sex sex schools were real. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys remember we covered we did an analysis back at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, uh of Red Sparrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not think this was a very good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a lot of propaganda, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did have some elements to it. Remember with Jaylaw. Remember Jaylaw.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie is about what I'm talking about. And did

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<v Speaker 1>nobody watch this? It's a thirty three million views. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>remembers this. Come on, y'all, know what's up where y'all at?

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<v Speaker 1>So Jaylaw is she's a Russian you know, ballerina or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's recruited into this school or one of these.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sent to one in Kazakhstan, right and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>then this is her being sent on her first mission

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<v Speaker 1>to h to entertain this diplomat or whatever. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>all the details of it, but here she is flashing

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<v Speaker 1>back when she sent to her.

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<v Speaker 2>School.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they got this woman that's like Rosa Club.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they actually intentionally chose like a Rosa Club

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<v Speaker 1>type woman. Now, if you don't remember, this is her

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<v Speaker 1>right here in the old James Bond stories. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Fleming put Rosa Club in this very position.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the one with.

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<v Speaker 1>The Turkish intelligence guy bay by e Y that Bond

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<v Speaker 1>goes and talks to and Constantinople is that doctor No

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<v Speaker 1>Rosa Cleb is the handler to the blonde woman that

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<v Speaker 1>Bond I don't know he does he flip her to

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<v Speaker 1>the West. I can't remember. But it's been a while

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<v Speaker 1>since I've watched Doctor No. But I think that's Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>No with whe where he goes to Turkey. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's very similar to this, and these things are both

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<v Speaker 1>of these situations are based in reality. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of Rosa club woman and Rosa clubs intended to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a L E. S B I A N like

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<v Speaker 2>my glasses, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the idea is that in these sex schools, people

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<v Speaker 1>are being taught this and they're being degraded and initiated

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<v Speaker 1>into this operative role. Of course, Jylaw is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's super soldier, slay queen and she you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what's this guy's name, I forget his name,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Russians or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sure, but now.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the the the West, of course, is a super

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<v Speaker 1>moral about oh we're so moral or so moral, and

429
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<v Speaker 1>then yet the West pushes all the most dgen stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh look, how look how evil uh n

432
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<v Speaker 1>KVD was And yeah, I think the nk v D

433
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<v Speaker 1>was evil. This is evil to put it's evil to

434
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<v Speaker 1>put people into this, to ruin their lives and do

435
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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff, right, government funded you know, mind control,

436
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>sex control. Right, and yet our entire apparatus in the

437
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 1>West from the top down, the corporate elite down pushes

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<v Speaker 1>stuff worse than this. So where's all the moralizing. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes no sense. They're both bad. As my point,

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<v Speaker 1>are you kg be up? No, I'm saying they're both.

441
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<v Speaker 1>You can't understand that two sides are bad. So he

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<v Speaker 1>goes a few cases like this of kind of stories

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<v Speaker 1>that are kind of boring. I'll pass because just basically

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<v Speaker 1>people being manipulated at a basic level about you know,

445
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>being lonely and looking for companionship, and it's usually just

446
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<v Speaker 1>some naval engineer guy who's nerdy, and again this hot

447
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<v Speaker 1>Russian chick or hot German chick, you know, chats him

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<v Speaker 1>up and he's like totally entranced because he thinks he's

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<v Speaker 1>a mac daddy when he's like a boring bloomer beta.

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<v Speaker 2>Man and he falls.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next most interesting element that I did not

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<v Speaker 1>know that did surprise me. Oh, by the way, there

453
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<v Speaker 1>was a story too where the kg BE engineered a

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<v Speaker 1>fake r ape case.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was somebody high pro fall. Let's see who

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this was the Philip Latour guy. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>the French guy we were talking about earlier, and they

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a bunch of drinks of wine.

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<v Speaker 2>He was chatting it up with this babe, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They put a woman around him when he passed out,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was drugged, and he woke up and she

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<v Speaker 1>ran away claiming that she had been R A p

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<v Speaker 1>E d. So then the KGB had this apparent R

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<v Speaker 1>A PE situation and they were blackmailing this guy to

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<v Speaker 1>get information on whatever radio technology he was working on

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<v Speaker 1>during the Cold War for the French government. But I

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00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 1>think this guy had disclosed what happened, so he didn't

469
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<v Speaker 1>actually he lost his job in his security clearance, but

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't end up, you know, destroyed by the KGB.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's very reminiscent in the Americans in the episode

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<v Speaker 1>where they entrap and stage a scenario with I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Polish diplomat. If I recall and there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a un meeting, maybe it's supposed to be something akin

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<v Speaker 1>to lack of Alessa. I don't think it's intentionally like MELLSSA.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the Americans it's like somebody who works

477
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<v Speaker 1>with like Melessa and the KGB, Carrie Russell or.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody like does this type of thing. Now here's the

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<v Speaker 2>really crazy part. Did you know? I did not know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a whole lot about Chay Gavara. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not super well studied on Latin South America, you know,

482
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<v Speaker 1>operations and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a little bit.

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00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I've read Servondo Gonzalez's book, but Savondo's book is about Castro,

485
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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know much about Chay.

486
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 2>But it turns out Chay was being spied on and

487
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<v Speaker 2>was being.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of, I would say, manipulated, But the intention was

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<v Speaker 1>to man late Cha via his girlfriend, this Latin American.

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<v Speaker 2>What did this guy called her?

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<v Speaker 1>His steamy, steamy Latin American girlfriend or Bolivian girlfriend. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see who she was, Laura Martinez, Ladra Martinez, Abrol Abrol.

493
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<v Speaker 2>You better get this, You better get his steamy girl

494
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<v Speaker 2>out of Hebro. She's barely gonna spy on me.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro.

496
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<v Speaker 1>She was sent by the KGB to spy on Chay

497
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<v Speaker 1>because Chay was not following everything that the Soviet party

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<v Speaker 1>line wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard some other dudes pretty well studied in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of Chay.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, I don't know that much about Chay, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were arguing the same thing that actually Chay was a

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<v Speaker 1>little more off script than Castro, and this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why Chay was taken out. And this girlfriend

505
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<v Speaker 1>was a big part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was in forming and spying on him the

507
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 2>entire time to the KGB, and they wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that they kept Chay in line.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, Boward says, after a matter of month, she

510
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<v Speaker 1>had built up a substantial army. However, the Soviets were

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<v Speaker 1>concerned that Chay was preaching a creed of Marxism that

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<v Speaker 1>the USSR didn't exactly want.

513
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>He was becoming a.

514
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Little too powerful, and the girlfriend was given orders to

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<v Speaker 1>betray the Gorilla Revolution. So excuse me, Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a difference. This is a different girl, Tanya. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we're talking about Laura. Let's hold on, I'm

518
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>getting confused with Chay's girlfriends here, all right, Okay, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tanya is Laura Martinez's code name.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, That's why I was confused. So it turns out.

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<v Speaker 1>She was spying on him, She was informing on him,

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00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 1>and the kg BE could putting pressure on her to

523
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 1>get him in line or to undermine his revolution, and

524
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<v Speaker 1>it ended up.

525
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Not working. It says Tanya was giving orders to betray Chay.

526
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty seven, she passed information to General one

527
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<v Speaker 2>Jose Torres, the.

528
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Bolivian chief of staff, giving away the location of Chay's

529
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Gorilla camps. Chay was captured and shot by the Bolivian

530
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<v Speaker 1>Army sergeant and Tanya was then reportedly killed in an ambush,

531
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<v Speaker 1>but her body was never found, so the whole So

532
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>basically Chay got screwed over by this chick, and that's

533
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 1>why his whole thing failed. And I'm guessing that she

534
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>leaked his location to the right wing government, which is

535
00:35:58.119 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>ironic because.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, let's see who that was, the Bolivian leader, Juan

537
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<v Speaker 5>Jose Thoris.

538
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>April.

539
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.239
<v Speaker 3>But you better get his chicata, bro, she's barely going

540
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 3>to betray you, man, but for real, like, she's barely

541
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 3>gonna betray you, Jose.

542
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>One Jose Thoris.

543
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he definitely looks like a right wing leader. No socialist,

544
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 1>he's not, so I guess he's a rival to Chay.

545
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Fiftieth President of Bolivia. He was murdered in.

546
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 1>The frame of the United States backed Operation Condor. By

547
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the way, of course, Pope Francis participated in Operation condor

548
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 1>if you didn't know.

549
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Aiding.

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00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, though most military leaders in Latin America have

551
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>been associated with the right wing, Torres was a left

552
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 1>wing socialist. But I guess he didn't like Chay Interesting

553
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 1>all of this Latin South American Cold War stuff. It's

554
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>like a giant.

555
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Thing.

556
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that much about all that's not that's

557
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not my I mean, I know a little bit, but

558
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>it's it's his own just I mean, it's it's you

559
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>guy spent your whole life on like CIA Soviet operations

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<v Speaker 1>in Latin South America anyway,
