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Speaker 1: What are we doing tonight? We are covering this excellent

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little introductory book. It's a little it's written a little weird,

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but it's still a good book.

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Speaker 2: I'm still very much enjoying it. It goes very.

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Speaker 1: Well with our other text that we have been kind

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of working our way through, which is the Whitney Webb book.

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I did make further progress in that book, and this

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book will tie well in with that one. So these

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two texts are are companion texts.

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Speaker 2: We got a nation under you know what.

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Speaker 1: And then today we're going to be talking about the

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first half of this excellent, little, sort of obscure nineties

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book that I found. And when I say nineties, I'm

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talking about the most nineties book cover ever. I'm talking

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about CNC Music Factory designed cover. I'm talking about things

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that make you go, things that make you go hmmm,

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I'm talking. I'm talking covers that make Freedom Williams sweat.

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I'm talking Freedom Williams getting a little frisky over here

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when he sees this cover. Sexpionage. That's just the title

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that I gave by Donald Bower. Donald Bower is a

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historical writer. So today's text will be coming to you

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from the domain of history, and what we're going to

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see is that this is a really underrated element of

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how the world really works. That's a crucial theme over

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here on my channel that we've focused on for many years,

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and one of the best insights into how the world

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really works is the study of criminology, the study of

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secret societies, the study of geopolitics, con artist, con men,

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and warfare. All of those things tie together banking economy

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obviously as well to understand what's really going on, because

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most people operate in a sort of delusion, a facsimile

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synthetic worldview where they think the world is as TV

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and their teachers told them, well, I got news for you.

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TV is for dummies, and teachers are the same dummies

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that watch the TV.

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Speaker 2: So all your teachers, for the most part, were dummies.

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Speaker 1: And if they weren't dummies, they wouldn't have been teachers.

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Speaker 2: They would have been doing other things.

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Speaker 1: Now, nothing inherently wrong with a teacher, but very few

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teachers actually figure out how the world really works and

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what's really going on. Can people bring beer to your

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live events? Yes, every live event that we've done allows

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you to bring your own alcohol. Biob do you ever

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see that word biob, that's what is referring to bring

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your own alcohol, biob.

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gonna bring you alcohol. I freaking hate alcohol. I'm bringing

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no damn beer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna contribute to your tits and your fatty fatness.

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I hate alcohol. I go to I fight alcohol, just alcohol.

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Speaker 1: I go to war against IPAs. Did you not see

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my ip A rant? That's figurative language too for somebody says,

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all right, let's talk about some of the famous incidents

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in history.

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Speaker 2: Where we've seen where we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Blackmail, sex espionage and spy operations play a key role

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in turning massive historical.

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Speaker 2: Events to the other side.

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Speaker 1: We have situations where warfare intelligence was divulged through sexpionage

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and it swung the entire war or the entire battle.

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We have dynasties that have fallen through sexpionage. We have Hey, Janet,

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she can't hear me. She turned that dang dang, ding

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dang washing machine on. Actually, what husbands need to throw

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out the washing machines and make sure that the wives

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hand wash all that shit with that with that old

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Mennonite like that rake, that big old rape machine.

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Speaker 2: You know, it looks like a giant cheese grater.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way clothes should be washed by all wives.

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Speaker 2: There should be a law on the books. That's just

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a joke too.

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Speaker 1: By the way, before people freak out, did you hear

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what he said? Mhm, every man should marry one minna

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night wife just for that, for that cheese grater for clothes,

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the giant clothes cheese greater. Anyway, we've seen dynasties fall,

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we have seen cultures implode through degeneracy. We have seen

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all manner of trickery, deception, studies, experiments used via sexpionage,

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and that includes elements of entrapment, elements of com ramot.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of this term? Compramont?

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Speaker 1: Compramont is the details and the information that you get

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to blackmail a politician or a powerful person, a leader whoever.

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And so Donald wrote his book in nineteen and or

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of this book, we did have some information that kind

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of told us what was going on.

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Speaker 1: And Bower begins his text by saying that.

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Speaker 2: Probably the most famous element of this was.

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Speaker 1: The KGB's School for Swallows and Ravens. By forty five,

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the Cold War was kicking off, ramping up. And there's

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an interesting part that I thought was a little contradictory

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in Bower's book, which is that he says at the

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beginning that the West didn't like to use operatives for.

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Speaker 2: S xpionage.

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Speaker 1: Yet we read in many places in his book that

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they did, so I don't know where he gets this.

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no problem, of course getting information from ladies of loose

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morals and shall we say men's of morals, right, both

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things going on, supposedly, Alan Dulles, and I don't think

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is to infiltrate vital elements of the adverts series apparatus

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and to build up local defenses against that penetration by

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keeping countries aware of the nature and extent of the

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peril by assisting internal security services. So the idea is

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that these types of things would not benefit the West.

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refuge if he's on the run or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Where safe houses come into play. And yet we're told that, oh, well,

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I guess British intelligence. Let's see, I did engage this. Now,

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if Whitney Webb's information is correct, I think it is.

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all kinds of intelligence things. So once again, this story

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that the West was not doing this does not seem

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to be very plausible. We get some of these kind

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of boring stories early on in the in the book

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Speaker 1: I have to think is pretty Some of these stories

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much like the stories or just give me the episodes

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that The Americans has going on. So if you remember

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great show. It's very realistic, but it's also got a

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bunch of things kind of smushed into it that it's

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not very realistic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Clark, and.

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Speaker 1: Well that's Clark's his name when he's sleeping with that

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boring ass Martha woman. But I forget what's Kerrie Russell's

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character's name. I forget her name Elizabeth and Clark right. Anyway,

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everything about it. And they ended it well. Most TV

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shows always screw up the ending, right like lost, great show,

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and then we get this goofy, weird ending. But they

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of my head. In the Americans, where we get stories

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very similar to what pops up in Bower's book. For example,

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the story of this first guy here, Philip Latour, a

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KGB trapman operation with a character named Philip Latour, a

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French electronics engineer, had a wife and three children. In

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the late nineteen sixties, he was sent he went on

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a vacation to the Mediterranean and decided to visit Russia. Now,

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and work in sensitive areas, so I'm kind of amazed

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and surprised that these people don't really they weren't a

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little suspicious. I mean, like, if you're a boring ass

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boomer dude, and you know you've been with like one

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girl your whole life or something, you know, maybe you.

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Speaker 2: Married your sweetheart, you decide to vacation.

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Speaker 1: Ember one in Russia in the Cold War? Why the

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hell would you want a vacation in Russia and the

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Cold War? First of all, and then like a babe

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comes up to you, Come on, dude, you've.

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Speaker 2: Got no sense at all. Okay, nines and tens.

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Speaker 1: Bombshell babes are not interested in boring ass boomers. But

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what's pretty amazing throughout this book and in many of

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the cases that you read of the entrapment operations or

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of these kinds of raven and are going to swallow

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apple operations. Typically sometimes it happens with women, but more

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so obviously with the dudes. Like what is going on

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in the minds of these dudes, Like they actually think

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totally like the most boring middle class job, but they

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just happen to be working at some facility that makes

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nuclear sub you know technology, or they work at some facility.

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Speaker 2: That makes like I don't know, you know, black hop.

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Speaker 1: Helicopters, and then it's suddenly like a babe is into

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing, like the level of naivety on a

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lot of these people. But such is the power of

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our drive to appropriate. It's one of the most effective

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ways to get people. So I'll see if we can

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Speaker 1: I want to see what he looks like, Philip Latour

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KGB entrapment. So let's take a look at this guy,

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this French dude. And we may not have any any

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pictures of him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find pictures of these people. I don't

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see any pictures, but who knows. I don't think it's

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any of these dudes. What is this chick?

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everything confusing, and you can't tell what's real.

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Speaker 2: And what's not.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so there's no pictures. Nobody knows about this guy.

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you've never seen it, high they recommend it. The next

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season Carrie Russell entraps some nerdy government dude. Do you

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 1: Clark, who is the main character here, he's entraps this

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woman who works at the State Department, I think, and

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he develops this relationship with her, and he pretends to

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be also working at a government job that doesn't allow

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pretty funny. Here's Clark, and here's Clark seducing Martha as

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Speaker 2: And this is I think very accurate. This is very realistic.

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is the exploits of a raven named Hans Suderlin, and

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Hans Suderland is trained in Moscow to go after and

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Speaker 2: Close to the type of story that you have with Clark.

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Speaker 1: So I tend to think maybe a lot of a

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lot of Clark, these kinds of stories that we read here. Anyway,

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so he entraps this woman.

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up killing killing herself because unliving because of the the trauma.

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it is a unique aspect of the Soviet system. In

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the United States, they do not obtain recruits from excuse me,

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the United States and Western countries obtained recruits from the

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military or from selected men and women of all walks

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in life who combined their espionage activities with regular normal

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ways of making a living.

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Speaker 2: During the Cold War. Russians, however, chose.

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Speaker 1: Chose their people very carefully acquiring all the necessary background

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information and submitting their potential spies to a rigid course training.

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Speaker 2: So you get to.

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Speaker 1: Go to to Hump school, which you get your bahd

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Speaker 2: I went to Hump School, got a pH d, got

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a pH d and d.

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Speaker 1: Y'all laughing like like it's fun over here, coughing, I

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can't wait to get on a life stream.

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Speaker 2: And cough haha, I'm gonna cough at them people.

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Speaker 1: Y'all just mad because I got I'm a validict I'm

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a validictorian of Hump School.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying, man, I'm trying. I don't know what you

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want me to do. I'm trying my best over here.

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I got a pimp andhose degree, a PhD, a nkv D.

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valedictorian d.

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Speaker 2: And we just dropped one hundred people for that joke.

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Where do y'all? Where are you going?

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Speaker 1: There's nothing else going on tonight. I assure you of

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that this is where it's at. Anyway, The majority of

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spies for Russian and Communist nationals of the country in

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which they operate, following the two categories those who believe

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strongly in the ideology and they are willing to or

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those who are willing to betray, or those who could

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be blackmail. This is very common. This reminds us of

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what m i CE. We went into detail recently on

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several podcasts on this. Actually, Pearl actually asked us a

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bunch of questions about m CE. You guys, remember mice, money, ideology, compromise,

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and ego. Those are typically the things that are used

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to compromise people. Now, this also recalls the Americans this

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chapter because he says that there was the Marx Ingles

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sex school set up outside of Moscow.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty crazy. Have you ever heard of this.

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I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if we can find this the Marx, we

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might get some else. Maybe I shouldn't type that in, right,

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Speaker 2: Pretty wild that you know, nobody knows about this and

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yet this was like a huge part of our history. Okay,

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so nothing comes up.

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Speaker 1: But of course you can't trust any of this Wikipedia

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stuff anyway, because I mean they don't even pull up

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I mean, basically, the search engines don't hardly work anymore.

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But if you remember in The Americans, there was that

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key sequence where they flashed back to the training of

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the main guy and Kerry Russell, and they were trained

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in a completely synthetic Soviet version of America. So the

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Soviets would build these entire American neighborhoods in towns to

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train their illegals operatives, and the Americans, as you guys know,

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is about the illegals, the illegals being director s of

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the KGB where they were trained to come over into

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and embed themselves and live in America as Americans. Their

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entire life almost become an American family, uh, and to

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you know, engage in really important operations, espionage, spying, whatever

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was needed. Now, according to Mark, the illegals were not

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the ones that, for example, would engage in assassinations. There

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was a whole other arm of the KGB that was

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dealing with assassinations. But in the movie, in the Show

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of the Americans, they kind of combine it into this

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kind of unrealistic situation where basically Carrie Russell's like sexually

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entrapping somebody, She's going and assassinating somebody else, and then

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she's driving home to make dinner for her family, like

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in the same day. I mean, come on, that's a

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little a little much. But now, why are we talking

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about this in the fake neighborhoods? Because think about the

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extent to which the Soviet version you could say of

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mk ultra here. Think how extensive and in depth this is.

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so that these agents would go and they would live

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in these American neighborhoods when they're young. In this story,

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they're paired up Carrie Russell and I forget the guy's name.

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They're paired up and put into the neighborhood which has

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them all a movie theater like a school apartment, and

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they lived there for two or three years. They learned

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English everything about American culture. I wish I could pull

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up the maybe I could let you know what, you

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guys should watch that scene. Let's see if there's a

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clip of that, and I'll put it in the chat

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for you guys. You guys can watch it later. But

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let's see the Americans fake fake neighborhood. Let's try that.

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Because I don't remember which episode it is.

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Speaker 2: Oh, here we go now stand discovers Philip as a spy.

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That's famous scene.

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Speaker 1: Let's see the Americans Soviet All right, Well, I don't

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think anything's gonna come up, but you get the idea.

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Now here's the thing about the fake neighborhoods. I was

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getting at, Because if they're going to that extent in

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terms of training their operatives in sort of fake American neighborhoods,

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then we find out, as Boer writes in his book,

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that they made a masterful study, so to speak, of

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everything to do with SCX, to the extent that well,

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let me read what he says. Those enrolled in these

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schools received lectures on everything to do with the habits

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of the target country where they're going. In these fake cities,

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they live in surroundings built to stimulate the towns and

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the areas in which we'll be operating, very much like

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a Hollywood movie set, supermarkets, movie theaters, shops, people where

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the costumes of their adopted residents to become part of

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that everyday life. Meticulous attention is given to every detail,

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how to purchase a bus, ticket, tickets to the movies,

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ordering a meal, the proper amount to tip in that country,

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men's magazines or studies studied.

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Speaker 2: This is back in the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: Prawn movies are imported and are shown regularly to the operatives.

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Why is this well, men chosen to be ravens are

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required to sleep with their girlfriends to lose all inhibitions,

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and are ordered to make and to indulge in skittles

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activities with other men. All of the students learn how

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to drug to take care of people in emergency situations

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with unliving cigarettes, candy or whatever can be used. Soviets

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who enter this branch of the KGB are unaware of

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the kind of training they will undergo, to the extent

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of the degradation that they suffer by offering themselves to

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the service of their country or ideology Marxism. And from

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the beginning, these agents are taught that the use of

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sex as an espionage tool is a patriotic duty.

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Speaker 2: So did you.

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Speaker 1: Notice that they're intentionally degraded? Now think about this. If

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the Soviets had figured out ways to create entire fake

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neighborhoods and sex schools to degrade and mind control their

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operatives into being this, do you think that the West

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and the CIA and the pop stars and the other

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intelligence agencies in the West. Do you think they wouldn't

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be doing the same thing? Of course they would. Are

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there any morals? I mean, come on, they're not constrained

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by So everybody in Eurasia is immoral and everybody in

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the West is moral?

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Speaker 2: Come on, are you that naive? This is silly.

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Speaker 1: In other words, this is another attestation to the reality

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of perhaps people even in the pop scene, undergoing similar

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types of things.

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Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If agents can be trained in foreign countries to be

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handled sex slaves, it does seem plausible that it could

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occur in our country as well via.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like a Brittany or something. You see

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what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 1: Let this has honey in it, So I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to do my best.

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Speaker 1: Now we don't know if Now I think the fake

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cities and the sex sex schools were real. Do you

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guys remember we covered we did an analysis back at

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the time, uh of Red Sparrow.

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Speaker 2: I did not think this was a very good movie.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a lot of propaganda, but it

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did have some elements to it. Remember with Jaylaw. Remember Jaylaw.

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This movie is about what I'm talking about. And did

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nobody watch this? It's a thirty three million views. Nobody

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remembers this. Come on, y'all, know what's up where y'all at?

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So Jaylaw is she's a Russian you know, ballerina or whatever.

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And she's recruited into this school or one of these.

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She's sent to one in Kazakhstan, right and uh, you know,

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then this is her being sent on her first mission

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to h to entertain this diplomat or whatever. I forget

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all the details of it, but here she is flashing

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back when she sent to her.

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Speaker 2: School.

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Speaker 1: And then they got this woman that's like Rosa Club.

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I think they actually intentionally chose like a Rosa Club

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type woman. Now, if you don't remember, this is her

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right here in the old James Bond stories. That's why

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Ian Fleming put Rosa Club in this very position.

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Speaker 2: And in the one with.

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Speaker 1: The Turkish intelligence guy bay by e Y that Bond

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goes and talks to and Constantinople is that doctor No

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Rosa Cleb is the handler to the blonde woman that

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Bond I don't know he does he flip her to

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the West. I can't remember. But it's been a while

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since I've watched Doctor No. But I think that's Doctor

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No with whe where he goes to Turkey. Right, But

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it's very similar to this, and these things are both

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of these situations are based in reality. So you have

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this sort of Rosa club woman and Rosa clubs intended to.

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Speaker 2: Be a L E. S B I A N like

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my glasses, right.

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Speaker 1: Because the idea is that in these sex schools, people

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are being taught this and they're being degraded and initiated

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into this operative role. Of course, Jylaw is you know,

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she's super soldier, slay queen and she you know whatever.

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And then what's this guy's name, I forget his name,

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he's a Russians or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, but now.

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Speaker 1: Remember the the the West, of course, is a super

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moral about oh we're so moral or so moral, and

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then yet the West pushes all the most dgen stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, so so.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh look, how look how evil uh n

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KVD was And yeah, I think the nk v D

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was evil. This is evil to put it's evil to

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put people into this, to ruin their lives and do

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this kind of stuff, right, government funded you know, mind control,

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sex control. Right, and yet our entire apparatus in the

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West from the top down, the corporate elite down pushes

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stuff worse than this. So where's all the moralizing. Actually,

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it makes no sense. They're both bad. As my point,

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are you kg be up? No, I'm saying they're both.

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You can't understand that two sides are bad. So he

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goes a few cases like this of kind of stories

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that are kind of boring. I'll pass because just basically

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people being manipulated at a basic level about you know,

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being lonely and looking for companionship, and it's usually just

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some naval engineer guy who's nerdy, and again this hot

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Russian chick or hot German chick, you know, chats him

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up and he's like totally entranced because he thinks he's

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a mac daddy when he's like a boring bloomer beta.

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Speaker 2: Man and he falls.

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Speaker 1: But the next most interesting element that I did not

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know that did surprise me. Oh, by the way, there

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was a story too where the kg BE engineered a

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fake r ape case.

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Speaker 2: And it was somebody high pro fall. Let's see who

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it was.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this was the Philip Latour guy. So this was

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the French guy we were talking about earlier, and they

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gave him a bunch of drinks of wine.

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Speaker 2: He was chatting it up with this babe, and.

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Speaker 1: They put a woman around him when he passed out,

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when he was drugged, and he woke up and she

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ran away claiming that she had been R A p

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E d. So then the KGB had this apparent R

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A PE situation and they were blackmailing this guy to

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get information on whatever radio technology he was working on

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during the Cold War for the French government. But I

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think this guy had disclosed what happened, so he didn't

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actually he lost his job in his security clearance, but

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he didn't end up, you know, destroyed by the KGB.

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So that's very reminiscent in the Americans in the episode

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where they entrap and stage a scenario with I think

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he's a Polish diplomat. If I recall and there's like

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a un meeting, maybe it's supposed to be something akin

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to lack of Alessa. I don't think it's intentionally like MELLSSA.

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I think in the Americans it's like somebody who works

477
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with like Melessa and the KGB, Carrie Russell or.

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Speaker 2: Somebody like does this type of thing. Now here's the

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really crazy part. Did you know? I did not know this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about Chay Gavara. I'm

481
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not super well studied on Latin South America, you know,

482
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operations and all that.

483
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Speaker 2: I know a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I've read Servondo Gonzalez's book, but Savondo's book is about Castro,

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so I don't know much about Chay.

486
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Speaker 2: But it turns out Chay was being spied on and

487
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was being.

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Speaker 1: Kind of, I would say, manipulated, But the intention was

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to man late Cha via his girlfriend, this Latin American.

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Speaker 2: What did this guy called her?

491
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Speaker 1: His steamy, steamy Latin American girlfriend or Bolivian girlfriend. Let's

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see who she was, Laura Martinez, Ladra Martinez, Abrol Abrol.

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Speaker 2: You better get this, You better get his steamy girl

494
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out of Hebro. She's barely gonna spy on me.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 1: She was sent by the KGB to spy on Chay

497
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because Chay was not following everything that the Soviet party

498
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line wanted.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard some other dudes pretty well studied in

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the history of Chay.

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Speaker 1: Again, I don't know that much about Chay, but they

502
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were arguing the same thing that actually Chay was a

503
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little more off script than Castro, and this is actually

504
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the reason why Chay was taken out. And this girlfriend

505
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was a big part of this.

506
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Speaker 2: So she was in forming and spying on him the

507
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entire time to the KGB, and they wanted to make

508
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sure that they kept Chay in line.

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Speaker 1: And uh, Boward says, after a matter of month, she

510
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had built up a substantial army. However, the Soviets were

511
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concerned that Chay was preaching a creed of Marxism that

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the USSR didn't exactly want.

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Speaker 2: He was becoming a.

514
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Speaker 1: Little too powerful, and the girlfriend was given orders to

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betray the Gorilla Revolution. So excuse me, Uh, this is

516
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a difference. This is a different girl, Tanya. Let's see,

517
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I thought we're talking about Laura. Let's hold on, I'm

518
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getting confused with Chay's girlfriends here, all right, Okay, I'm sorry.

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So Tanya is Laura Martinez's code name.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, That's why I was confused. So it turns out.

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Speaker 1: She was spying on him, She was informing on him,

522
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and the kg BE could putting pressure on her to

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get him in line or to undermine his revolution, and

524
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it ended up.

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Speaker 2: Not working. It says Tanya was giving orders to betray Chay.

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In nineteen sixty seven, she passed information to General one

527
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Jose Torres, the.

528
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Speaker 1: Bolivian chief of staff, giving away the location of Chay's

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Gorilla camps. Chay was captured and shot by the Bolivian

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Army sergeant and Tanya was then reportedly killed in an ambush,

531
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but her body was never found, so the whole So

532
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basically Chay got screwed over by this chick, and that's

533
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why his whole thing failed. And I'm guessing that she

534
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leaked his location to the right wing government, which is

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ironic because.

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Speaker 5: Uh, let's see who that was, the Bolivian leader, Juan

537
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Jose Thoris.

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Speaker 2: April.

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Speaker 3: But you better get his chicata, bro, she's barely going

540
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to betray you, man, but for real, like, she's barely

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gonna betray you, Jose.

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Speaker 2: One Jose Thoris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely looks like a right wing leader. No socialist,

544
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he's not, so I guess he's a rival to Chay.

545
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Speaker 2: Fiftieth President of Bolivia. He was murdered in.

546
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Speaker 1: The frame of the United States backed Operation Condor. By

547
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the way, of course, Pope Francis participated in Operation condor

548
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if you didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Aiding.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, though most military leaders in Latin America have

551
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been associated with the right wing, Torres was a left

552
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wing socialist. But I guess he didn't like Chay Interesting

553
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,159
all of this Latin South American Cold War stuff. It's

554
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like a giant.

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Speaker 2: Thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that much about all that's not that's

557
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not my I mean, I know a little bit, but

558
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it's it's his own just I mean, it's it's you

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guy spent your whole life on like CIA Soviet operations

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in Latin South America anyway,