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Speaker 1: Recent live event in Austin. It went great. Hopefully everybody

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can hear me right, there's no stupid videos playing. It's

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the I don't even know where I am. I'm so tired.

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I can't even think does this sound good? Should be?

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We always get complaints from the Peanut gallery about the

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sound looking fresh. I don't feel fresh. I feel like

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I'm on my man period because I am so I

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don't feel like a fresh lady running through the fields.

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As we walk through fields of gold. You know me?

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Speaker 2: You know lesson.

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Speaker 1: Hun he That was my impression of soft sting. That

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wasn't sting. That was soft sting. That was stubby, like

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a sting you get stung with a pointy thing. That

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was getting stung with a butter knife. That was soft sting.

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That was stubby, Luna less when pawn. We have so

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many complaints about the sound and my screaming. We're such

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a tribute to Samuel Hyde, the extreme gain scream. Did

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nobody pick up on that? Yourself? Suck, dude, You're the

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worst person to exist, piece of shit.

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Speaker 2: Your sound is demonored.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm so tired, dude. Doll sting very it was

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very sensual because I was over there doing that tantra.

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I was doing that tantric meditation with Stang and I

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got stung. Wah wah, wah. What'll we doing today. We're

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going to talking about an aspect of institutional capture, which

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is the capturing of religious institutions. And we're gonna look

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at other institutions and the techniques academically on record admitted

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as to how this was done, and we're gonna we're

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gonna realize that Hey, no surprise, it's the exact same

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thing in the church churches in general. Yeah. Yeah, my

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yoga pants are tingling. I hope your yoga pants are

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tingling right now. If you heard my little.

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Speaker 2: Clip clip clip clip clip clip clip.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about that clip clack clap brat. Thank you

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for the Yeah, you guys haven't even seen. There's a

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whole other thing that nobody even knows about. Secret thing

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we did. It'll be out in aprilish. And I was

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in Austin. It was a double fiasco. I can't say

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what the other event is, but it's big, I'll just

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say that, and probably one of the craziest weeks, one

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of the most proud I've ever been in terms of

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dreams coming true, and well, it's not exactly that clause,

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but let's just say that I was dressed up as

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prominent world Bond villain, and let's say that full production involved,

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and let's just say that maybe it'll go out one

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day to a large audience. Let's just say that. And

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we were hitting on all cylinders. I did have one

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thing that didn't go over so well. I thought it

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was funny, but it didn't go over so well. I did.

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the style of Kirk Franklin, and that was a out

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of nowhere at the live event. I thought that was fun.

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so happy with that, but that's okay. We actually communicate

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those heretics right away anyway. So yeah, we're gonna let's

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get back to the focus on focusing on the topic.

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Like I said, forgive me, I'm super tired. I'll probably

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be just like zoning out, wandering off mentally into who

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knows what. But there's just so much happening, it's crazy.

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So we want to understand institutional capture because it's a

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big element that explains what's going on in the world

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of religion. And when we look the other worlds of society, economics, banking, corporations, businessman,

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what other society that's academia, These areas of society, they

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have tentacles of the power structure in them. Surely nobody

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finds that controversial. But the idea that there would be

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a sort of coordinated manipulation of institutions for various purposes,

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which is a historical fact, still seems lost in a

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lot of people. And this is partly what keeps people

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in the magic circle, the box within the over to window.

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to window. Keep you in that magic circle, and you'll

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never get anywhere or figure anything out because you're always

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bouncing around within the little magic circle as a pomp

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back and forth, meaning and you never understand things outside

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of at the metal level what's really going on, so

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to speak. So that's what we try to do here

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is give the big picture, the cross disciplinary meta analysis,

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and we do that by looking in a hopefully scholarly

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and academic way to degree the literature on the subjects.

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more mainstream pop analyzes. And sometimes that includes more of

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the fringe theoretical. I always try to make it clear

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which we're pulling from. Tonight. We're mainly going to be

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pulling from the academic realm, some of the intelligence analysis realm,

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and a little bit of the theory and speculation realm,

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but not much of that. Tonight is pretty much going

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to be fact fact fact, the fact, the fact that back,

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that fact that back. Now, if you think about ancient empires,

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we still haven't there's so many books we want to

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get to. Here I apologize that we haven't even gotten

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look at that illustrate recent clips that I've seen that

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illustrate our point in other areas. So we got one

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that's going to deal with journalism and intelligence. Hopefully you

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know about Mockingbird right. And by the way, when we

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do the Gladio text, which I'm progressing through, this is

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not the part too. If you signed up recently, guys,

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don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. You will still get

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the part two. No, that's not it. Where's the big me,

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make me big baby? There we go, you will still

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get the part two to this and Vatican spies, but

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you know of conspies. And these two texts are great

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companions because this is written by a neo Conish cold

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warrior pro Vatican pro John Pault. Second, and this is

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written by an FBI Catholic consultant to the FBI who

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is very critical of Rome from a just an objective

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critical standpoint, so critical Gladio. But this guy is the

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opposite side of the Cold War fence. But the admissions

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between these two approaches, you'll see, this helps us see

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things outside of the dialectic. You see, you see what

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we're doing here. So to read these two together at

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the same time is amazing for the confirmation that we

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get from two different perspectives. Right, we want to understand

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the critical, more liberal minded perspective of the Cold War,

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and we want to understand that neo conservative, so called

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right wing capitalist to you know, CIA, cold warrior perspective,

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because as you know, we see both of these as

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kind of a long term game. But these are for

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the technocracy is that's rolling out now, which couldn't have

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happened without the Cold War. But both of these texts

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are very important for the notion of institutional capture and

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that I've just seen that so profoundly in this text,

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and I mean every chapter in this book is just like,

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holy crap, dude, and I mean holy crap, because it

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literally is the alliance between Vaticans, CIA and MAKA. Now

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all the tradcats get mad. We're not picking on tradcats

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because the point of tonight's discussion is that this same

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issue is in the Orthodox world. You see what I'm saying.

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brought up I don't know if Richard has talked about

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this text. We did an analysis of this book, and

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this book is relevant for tonight because this is about

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anthropology dorks being used by intelligence in the CIA and

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the studying of ethnography for the weaponization of social engineering

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psyops intelligence operations. So this is more like a specific

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domain of studies, right, Margaret and me Gregory Bates and

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you know, these anthropologists who are really just academics huffing

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their own toots who serve the neoliberal world Order establishment

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and that ties in great with this book that Richard

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is always recommending. I got it many years ago. I've

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you know, Richard has over at Grant Theft World has

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given this so many props. I know what it's about.

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I read other texts to deal with this, and so

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we'll be looking at Cloak and Gown eventually by Robin Winks,

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which is the co opting of spies in academic garb robes.

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And if you guys don't know, we did a podcast

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I did. I did a talk year ago Spies Investments,

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hinting at getting at this idea of Cloak and Gown. So,

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I mean, these are mainline academic texts. These aren't conspiracy texts.

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are written by professors. So and then separate to this,

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but also does tie into it. Yeah, I know about

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the various books, I just haven't got around to getting them.

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So people were like, when you gonna get this other book?

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What about this one? Yes, I'm aware of the Daniel

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Ganzer book NATO's Secret armies, so it did arrive. You

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should see my reading table. It's like this giant. It's

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like up to this, up to the roof, the roof,

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the roof, the roof is on fire because of all

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the books. It's a reading hat. It's a fire, has

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all the books stacked up. So we're gonna we're gonna

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get very high four fifty one up in here. And

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as you guys know, the most important text on this topic,

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sort of the Bible of this topic, is none other

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than John Courtney Murray Time Life Magazine American Proposal, which

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is essentially the key, it's the master key to understanding

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that Vatican Two, the liberalization of Rome, Catholicism or are

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not solely due to audio illogical and theological dorks sitting

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around in arguingent theology. Rather powerful, powerful interests with unlimited

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Fiat money pouring their wealth, their power, their influence into

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religious institutions of the seminaries change the face of these institutions.

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Thus the you could say, long march through the institutions. However, everyone,

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especially all the Cold Warriors, especially the Tracats boomers, they

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still think this is commis. It's just an element of COMMI, right,

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it's not commies. It's a little element of commis, but

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it's ultimately monopoly capital behind Fabian socialists and these Fabians

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as we know one hundred years ago, what did we

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see utilize religious institutions? Russell interested in web Let's use

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Islam as a way to transform the UK that then

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expanded to the transformation of Europe. You understand. So it's

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a geopolitical move fostered by Cambridge Oxford academics through the

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funding that came through LSC London School of Economics and

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the Milliner Fabian circles. Therefore, once again we can see

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with the religious institution of Islam, this is the old

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British strategy. And we've lectured through multiple texts Mark Curtis's

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Secret Affairs, Robert Dreyfuss's Devil's Game. I mean, there's just

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so many of these where we Gould and fifth Year Olds,

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Invisible Empire, all prominent historical geopolitical texts that deal with

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the British imperial strategy of using Islam. Another text that

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deals with this that's kind of overlooked is Lost Hegemon.

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this topic because ingdol in. This book also gets into

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the usage of evangelicals, evangelicals and Islamic networks such as

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the FETA Gulian network. So you know about the Gulian network.

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many many radical Islamic groups through the Muslim Brotherhood, which

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has essentially always been an adjacent to and an attache

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of British intelligence. And this and the sort of the

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setting up of you know, the Sykes Pico All of

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that was in part done through religious manipulation. Now that

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was it played a role. It wasn't everything, but it

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played a role. And part of that was because British

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Empire wanted to uh control Mecca, to try to control Islam.

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it's a book. We have books, check them out the library,

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tiny mustache men with who the Grand Emom who was?

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Rhinhard Galen. You could look at that as a death

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cult network and you can see some of that going

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more depth in the next coming week because now that

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I'll be ready to do the part two. I know

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we're behind on this, so people don't freak out. We're

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going to get to the part two because we had

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Marian apparitions discussion. Remember that, So that's what's coming up.

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into religious manipulation in Ingdoll's classic Full Spectrum Dominance. Right,

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we have the CIA usage of the Dalai Lama on record,

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the Free Tibet Movement CIA operation, and that again tied

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those and evangelical groups. Hopefully, hopefully we can still find

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that hostfully, we can still find that excellent classic from

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Mark Hackard. I think it's still on here. Let's see.

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So if you've never heard this interview and there's a

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old nice little tom Kum laughing there, that's a good one.

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That's my article. It's my old classics. Let's see where

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is Mark's attack of the cults? That's his essay. I

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don't even know if it's still there, but we've covered

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this because that gets into evangelical groups being used as fronts.

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Right here it is and this shouldn't come as any surprise.

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This is yeah, this is a great essay. If you

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never read this or ma needs to read this shows

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the methodology, methodology, and tactics of Western intelligence to use

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retarto religious groups.

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Speaker 3: Like Sunday Ada Laja. My name is Sunda Ada Laja.

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Why are you gay? Who are you? You are gay?

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Why are you gay? My good friend is a Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 1: Also have a friend Nigerian prince will send you one

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million bit going for five dollars. You'll aren't even seeing this.

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This dude, remember this guy, this guy right, sunday ad Laja. Well,

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this is an intelligence from if you can't figure that out,

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and this, of course is what led to the banning

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of Joe's witnesses, for example in Rashia over the last

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few years, as well as scientology. But you'll notice that

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these evangelical groups were in we're active in the Ukraine

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pushing Ukrainian nationalism, even the evangelical groups. You see this,

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and why is that? Well, that's because they're adjacent to

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or under Uncle Sam. Can you not figure that out?

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The State Department? You don't know this, And then we

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gotta find that SPZH article. This is what it's about

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in the long run. We'll get to that in a minute.

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We're not gonna talk about this right now, but can

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you guys see that right there? Yeah? There we go. Yeah,

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So that's what we're looking at in the long run,

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particularly when it comes to not just Rome, but the

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plans for the we'll call it the deep Religious States,

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so to speak, for where they want to take Orthodoxy

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and Rome. You can see it symbolized here very clearly.

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in terms of religious engineering and subversion. So humanism is

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really a tool, does that make sense right? For geopolitical power.

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religious theology insofar as it's useful to the establishment as

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a tool of social engineering. And I think our audience,

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you know, we're not a stranger to this idea if

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we just think about church history. So maybe you don't

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know anything about geopolitics. That's fine, you don't know about geopolitics,

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but if we do want to have discernment in our age,

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then maybe you should. Maybe it's worth knowing about because

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if we think back to the earliest days of the Church,

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didn't we have Aryan emperors. Didn't they want to change

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the church theology? Well, sure, do they just want to

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destroy the church? No, they wanted to change the church,

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change the theology. Why because to arian or semi arian emperors,

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Aryan theology allows the state to be deified. And if

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you work your way up to Byzantine theology to the

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iconic class controversy, the same situation occurs where you don't

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have images in the iconoclast worldview of anything theological, but

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you do have the images of the emperor. It's like

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the only valid image. So iconoclasm is an imperial heresy

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and it was imposed by heterodox emperors to back up

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heterodox theology. So you better believe that geopolitics manifests the

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metaphysical and theological presubpositions. Of course it does. And if

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you don't think that, then you're being ahistorical and you're

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denying your own Orthodox history of the businessing Empire and

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the splits with the West. Right, So what happens in

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the Carolinians when the Carolinians adopt, you know, Augustinian and

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Neoplatonic theology. This plays itself out in a certain quest

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that Charlemagne has to conquer and change the creed of

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Orthodox Leans to now include the Philly Oquay. And as

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of the Seventh Council actually rejected it. And Charlemagne and

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his Carolinian court theologians actually rejected the Seventh Council. Right,

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Roman Catholics, if you're ignorant of that, I'm sorry. It's

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not my fault. That's facts that submitted history. You can read.

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Roman Catholic historians though, now admit all this. So so

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we can't unfortunately separate geopolitics from the spiritual. A lot

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of people like to do this and pretend that they're

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very spiritual and they're very sophisticated because they don't have

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to talk about all this, and they're not worried about

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all this. And ironically, a lot of the people who

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take that approach have actually sided with the EP and

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made serious mistakes, which makes absolutely no sense, because of

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course the EP formerly recognized Metropolitan Newfree on the books.

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The other patriarch is still recognized Metropolitan New Free, but

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now because the State Department, they're forced through geopolitical power

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to reject and accept the fake, made up CIA church

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in the Ukraine. And we had a bit of a

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disagreement this week with Jesse over at Ortho Christian because

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they published a terrible article denying quote conspiracy theories and

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saying that you're a bad person if you talk about

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conspiracy theories. And the article doesn't even make any it's

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terribly written by this like want to be pietous, dude, right, Look,

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so let's look at how ridiculous this article is over

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at Ortho Christian. And I think that the only reason

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I really I don't really care that they. I don't

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follow the site anymore. I quit falling in a while back.

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The only reason I paid attention to this because it

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popped up and it's relevant to what we talk about

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and it's it's just odd to me that I have

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no idea who Steven Simpson is. But this article argues

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that one time there was a guy who was a

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Roman Catholic bishop who started having visions of prophecies. Okay,

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I has nothing to do with and he prophesied the

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end of the world, and he was a fraud, and

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so therefore you shouldn't be into conspiracy theories. Literally, like

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the worst, the stupidest argumentation I've ever seen in an article.

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Number one, that's a con man. And so a con

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man talking about end times delusions, that's not a That

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doesn't even fit with a conspiracy theorist. That's not what

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a conspiracy theorist is different from an end times delusional,

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prelass based pseudo prophet. Okay. And so this guy goes

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on to argue that, oh and by the way, look

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at my quotes from the Saints, because it says, don't

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be afraid of anything or anyone. There's nothing new under

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the sun. Nobody knows anything. And then he miss quotes

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Isaiah eleven. Do not say a conspiracy a conspiracy? These

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people call a conspiracy. What is not a conspiracy? Yeah,

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that has nothing to do with the present situation of

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the world where every day we're dealing with geopolitical espionage

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and conspiracy on a global scale. And his own website,

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and Jesse is of course the one who himself is

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the curator of the content. He's the one that puts

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up the articles. But then he says he doesn't know

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who put up this article, and he says, go email

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somebody else to cover this article about conspiracy there is

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because he doesn't have but he's the one that controls

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the content. And so we're going to look at some

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of their openly espionage based conspiracy articles, which we have

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cited probably hundreds of times in the last three or

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four years. And I think that, you know, I don't

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know what the motivations of Worthow Christian are. I don't

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have any personal disagreements with him, but it plays into

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what we're getting into because there's so much opposition that

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is basically mounting, and that's what we want to talk

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about tonight, right So remember uh, And that's because there

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is there is a you know, amounting ecclesial now opposition

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to what we do over at my site, on my channel,

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what we talk about, what we're prom because we talk

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about real stuff, right, and uh, A lot of people

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can't handle this stuff. A lot of people, you know,

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they just they'd rather see me as the problem. Uh.

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Am I the one that is involved in splitting the

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church in Ukraine? Am I the one that's siding with

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the ep Am? I the one that I mean, I'm

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literally like one of the few people out here promoting

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the very thing that your site promotes. But you know,

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this week it's all about counter signaling conspiracy theorist counter

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signaling me, and nobody ever even says what my conspiracy

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theories are. Now, if I'm talking about something that's a theory,

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I'll tell you. But the irony is that everybody on

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my side of this knows that we focus on the tech,

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the academic texts, and the literature around this topic. And

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if we speculate on something, I'll say I'm speculating. So

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I don't know who else gives you level headed analysis

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like this. But notice that so the new article here

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over here says against conspiracy theorists. And let me give

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you a random four or five quote minds of verses

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that have nothing to do with geopolitics, Because if you

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don't know We actually did a video years ago about

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all the places in scripture where there are conspiracy theories.

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Did you know the Bible talks often about conspiracy theories.

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Did you know that they conspired to kill the king

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and judges by an assassin? Right? Did you know that

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Caleb and Joshua sent out the spies? I mean, does

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anybody know any of this stuff? Or do we just

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want to sit around and talk about how I'm a

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bad person? Right? Oh no, it's my fault. I'm a

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bad person. Now. I never expected to have this kind

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of an audience in terms of the religious domain. It happened,

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thank you, and it is what it is. So and again,

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you know, we don't tell people. I don't tell people

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what to do spiritually. I'm not your spiritual father. I

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gotta of course, this is the videos, of course hidden,

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so I have to come over here and look for it.

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The biblical view of conspiracies. Why can I not find it?

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You have to type it exactly right here we go.

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Our conspiracy is rational or conspiracy is biblical? Okay, So

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you can go watch this video to see the many references.

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I did a whole video on all the places in

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divine revelation where we do have an affirmation of conspiracies.

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And again, if you don't like the word conspiracies, if

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you bought into the weaponizing of the term conspiracy theory

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which comes out of the JFK drama to weaponize those

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who would question the official narratives, then you can use

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the term espionage or do you think that espionage doesn't exist? Now,

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if it does exist, then why am I bad to

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person for talking about the very thing that these websites

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themselves talk about? Costidw Ukraine hierarch Awards, former CIA head

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for supporting the push for the Ukrainian National Church. So

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here you have an emission from Orthochristian that there is

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a collusion there with Dena Senko or whatever's name is

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the defract goober meeting with Jack Divine, former acting director

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of the CIA, in town to promote his new book.

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And of course they're all best friends. They love each other.

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Because this is a geopolitical created schism, and it's not

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hard to figure that out, very simple. Here's another lengthy

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article which I've shared for many I've shared many times

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about the usage of schismatic groups by the US power structure.

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Here's another one Ukrainian usbods, you congratulate Ukrainians with the

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creation of a new church over at Ortho Christian. So

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I'm just trying to figure out, like when you post

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your conspiracy theories and your espionage essays, which I've shared

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for many, many years, but now you're saying, no, you're

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against conspiracy theories, so maybe you need to curate your

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content a little better. And then we have Fordham University's

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Orthodox Center receives grant to study as Skittles, also over

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at Ortho Christian. Now we've talked about this. Is this

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not a conspiring through money and influence to change the

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theological moral teaching of the churches. Of course it does.

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And anyone acting like this doesn't exist is either a

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completely naive boomer Docks person who's out to lunch, or

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they're malicious and they're lying to you. Because and the

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younger people are, the more difficult it is to pull

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the stupid ruse over because the people that are like

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Boomer Docks, they don't realize that people thirty and under

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can figure this out within five minutes on the Internet. Okay,

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not everybody's dumb, right, People thirty and under know how

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to use search engines and know how to find foundations,

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grants and funding, and it's not working. We have an

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audience bigger than ancient faith radius that they can't figure

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out that it's not just me or some like strange

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people on the internet are gathering audiences. Yeah, there's some

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dummies gathering audiences that are immature and stupid. But like

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we're showing actual documents and information here, and the audience

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who isn't one hundred IQ or below can figure this out.

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It's not hard to figure out. And you can. You

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can talk all day long about how bad a person

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I am, and I'll admit, Okay, yeah I'm a bad person. Okay,

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but does that change any of what we're talking about? Okay,

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I know I've got moral flaws. Oh I'm the worst

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person I know. But in actuality, what it is is

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that you know, just like with Danic from a few

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00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:08,400
years ago, it's the same problem resurfacing. These people have

469
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,119
other masters and they see anyone that's not like ancient

470
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,159
faith radio controlled as a threat because they can't control

471
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,320
the things that we talk about, the things that we say.

472
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000
And so then now it's kind of shifted. Things are

473
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,840
going into a new kind of wild situation where we're

474
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,760
going to have not just sort of infiltration, but the

475
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,360
attacks are going to ramp up. But it's not going

476
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,559
to work because these people are so out of touch

477
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:42,920
they don't they're literally having conferences at OCA churches and

478
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,679
meetings on how to deal with and how to avoid me.

479
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,239
And I don't care because like anybody that would be

480
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,599
swayed by that and wants to go into the domain

481
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,679
of ecumenism is not going to like and not going

482
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,800
to be in our spheres anyway. And nobody wants to

483
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:09,639
convert to Orthodoxy to go back to Rome h. But

484
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,960
you have certain accuminous minded bishops and people within the OCA,

485
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,760
for example, who do want to eventually go back to Rome.

486
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,239
And so it's part of a longer agenda. It's very

487
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480
easy to figure this out where the OCA will go

488
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,400
under the EP and the EP will go back to Rome.

489
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,880
So it doesn't it's not a big deal in that

490
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,079
it's not going to hurt or destroy what what we

491
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,440
do over here or for our from our side, because

492
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,480
any of the people that want to go do that

493
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:43,320
are are are it's sifting wheat from chaff. Let them go, right,

494
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,360
I mean you got or you got OCA bishops calling

495
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,559
Origin a saint, okay. So I mean these are not

496
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:52,199
serious people. People people openly aligned with the Democratic Party

497
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,599
openly okay. And so they can talk about all day

498
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,039
along about how bad a person I am, and they

499
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:00,840
can use ben Cave and the Aora to try to

500
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,800
get dirt and do whatever they want. But nobody's gonna

501
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,719
believe that because those are the same bishops, the same people,

502
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:11,519
the same clerics who shut your churches down, threatened you

503
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:16,320
and told you had to get stabbes, took money most

504
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,559
likely for all that, and the same people before all

505
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,760
that happened who called me evil. Right, So they just

506
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
revealed to everybody these people are joke. They're a joke.

507
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,440
And I'm sorry that that's the reality of how the

508
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,519
religious world is, but it is so today. What we're

509
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,280
looking at is why is it this way? Why is Rome?

510
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,400
Why is orthodox liberal orthodoxy so called? Why is it

511
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440
going in this direction? Well, you have to understand that

512
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,599
from the vantage point of global powers, there is a move,

513
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:01,440
a push that's very easy to verify, that wants to

514
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,280
take these religions and these churches into a new realm

515
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,400
of being soft power and being forms of NGOs and

516
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,280
if you don't know what that is, soft powers is

517
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,159
a form of geopolitical exercising of power that's not overt warfare.

518
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,000
So you can exercise soft power through culture, through religion,

519
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:27,239
TV shows, economics, right, because it's not overt you know,

520
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,920
straight up kinetic warfare or whatever. Soft power. There's also

521
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:38,599
smart power using tech. This kind of stuff not conspiracy theories.

522
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,639
It's international relations, geopolitics one O one. Anybody who goes

523
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,760
and studies these things that will learn about what soft

524
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360
power is. You read the writings of any of the

525
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,960
geopolitical lead that we cover, they talk about it. But

526
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,920
a lot of these people, a lot of these hierarchs

527
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,360
and these kinds of but they're either totally idiots and

528
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,360
don't know anything about this, or they are essentially part

529
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,840
of a captured institution. I'm not saying the entire Orthodox

530
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,840
churches capture. I'm not saying any entire jurisdiction is capture,

531
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,360
but many of these jurisdictions are being captured. So that's

532
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,599
just the facts, right. I Mean, you even had some

533
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,559
of these OCA clerics and bishops telling you to get

534
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,880
out of their churches if you don't believe in all

535
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,400
of the stabby, all this stuff get out of the churches.

536
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,719
One of them even threatened to take people priests to

537
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,559
court for murder charges if they didn't do the stabby

538
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:47,400
is the mass and all of that. So what does

539
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:54,840
all this mean? So it has to do with captured institutions,

540
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,039
and how do we get captured institutions? Well, let's look

541
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,639
at a few examples of other institutions which will then

542
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,119
show us the means, methods, and strategies of how this institution,

543
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:13,079
namely the church in general in general. And I saw

544
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:14,920
you know, I'm going to say that, you know, if

545
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,199
your OCA bishop or your Greek Orthodox bishop is liberal,

546
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,599
and you can verify that and check it out. And

547
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,239
do these people not even realize that people can verify

548
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,960
this very easily and check this out. Then move to

549
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:32,159
another one that is that is solid. Don't give OCA

550
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,239
people your money. If they're going to put out statements

551
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,199
and if they're going to put out warning labels about

552
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:48,519
me personally, if they're going to put out lists of

553
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:54,039
people that you shouldn't read or listen to, that's a

554
00:41:54,079 --> 00:42:00,480
good thing. That's a good thing because now oh we know,

555
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,239
like thank you, Now we know to say goodbye to

556
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,599
you and don't give these people your money. Anybody are

557
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,199
you if you're giving money to the people who shut

558
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,800
your churches down and told you to get out of

559
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,960
the churches. Literally many of them did threaten other priests,

560
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,719
would try to defract priests then don't go to those

561
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,880
people's churches, and they can. I'm not under any of

562
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,920
those people. So they can announce their avoidance lessons all

563
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,440
day long, but I don't care. It's not going to

564
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:42,719
do anything. So let's look an example of a captured institution,

565
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:49,400
namely certain media outlets from Ivory Hacker. I think Lord

566
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,719
V has had her on multiple times, and we all

567
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
know that the bs of this stuff. Anyway, it's like

568
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,519
there's I mean, these people are openly into what they're into,

569
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:05,360
openly promoting what they promote. Uh, I'm somethingbout in the

570
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,480
religious realm, right, And so we're not having to deal

571
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,639
with like secret KGB operatives, right, Maybe in the Cold

572
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,079
War you had to worry about a secret KGB operative

573
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,320
like you know, like Cohler talks about in his text. Right,

574
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:26,039
in Cohler's text, you've got KGB operatives sneaking into the

575
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:32,760
church as spies. Getting dirt. That's not our situation because

576
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:38,559
we're talking about people who openly talk about total degenerousy

577
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,480
and things that are not orthodox at all to be pushed.

578
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,440
And by the way, just because there's a public statement

579
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,559
doesn't mean that there aren't people covertly going against the

580
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,559
public statement. People do not know what pr is. People

581
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,800
are so naive. Well they publicly said they don't believe

582
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
in it. Oh okay, well I guess yeah, like I

583
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,039
guess they don't, right, even though they are also aligning

584
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:09,239
themselves with the Democratic Party. And it's no different. It's

585
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,760
exact same scenario problem that we had with father Damik

586
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,599
five years ago when he came after us, tried to

587
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,719
get us ex communicated, all this kind of stuff, right,

588
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,199
No different, same stuff. It's just that now because the

589
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,360
audience has grown and because you might think, oh they

590
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,320
love you, because you know, they don't want people and

591
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,360
they don't care about young men converting to their churches.

592
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,559
In fact, a prominent Oca priest that I met and

593
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,760
talked with years ago said, we don't want young men

594
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,800
coming to our parish. This is a nightmare. So if

595
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,679
you're a young guy, as many of you are, this

596
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,360
is what they actually say about you in the OCA,

597
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,280
we don't want young men coming to our parish. I'm

598
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:01,480
talking about specific parish in the East. I'm not talking

599
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:08,400
about all people. So your feeling's hurt. Yeah, I'm sure

600
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,280
there are people in the Chat. I'm sure you do

601
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,519
go to Father Dami's perish and that doesn't make you

602
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:16,679
a bad person. I'm not go to you make those

603
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,760
choices yourself. You can decide, because I'm not actually a

604
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,400
cult leader, you know, in the Discord all that kind

605
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,280
of stuff, all we ever did was direct people to

606
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,079
their spiritual fathers to make those decisions. But I also

607
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:33,440
always told you not to choose your church based on

608
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:39,360
anything other than whether you could discern whether you're clergy,

609
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,519
were solid or not. So if we have multiple clerics

610
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:49,199
now publicly saying avoid Jay, avoid anybody in his circles,

611
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,039
avoiding the priests to associate with him, blah blah blah

612
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:56,519
blah blah. Uh, they don't get there's no reasoning giving

613
00:45:56,559 --> 00:46:00,119
other than that if you look at what they are,

614
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,280
and ben Cabe say, it's because they're not approved in

615
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,159
an Orthodox So actually I'm approved. So what do you

616
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:08,840
mean we have clerics come on all the time. So

617
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,840
what do you mean it's not approved. Well, what they

618
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,960
mean is it's not Ancient Faith Radio approved, which Ancient

619
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Faith Radio has for many years promoted all kinds of

620
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:25,800
open lib stuff. And I can also tell you that

621
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,880
over the many years that we've dealt with these kinds

622
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,679
of issues, a lot of these people who didn't like

623
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,840
me or got mad at me at first, then went

624
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,079
and found out the hard way, and then later came

625
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,159
to me, Oh, yeah, you were right. These people are nuts,

626
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,800
And I'm sorry. It's so it's not I didn't make

627
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,800
it this way in the Orthodox Church or in the

628
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,760
Orthodox world. And it's not really about personalities. It's about

629
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:54,800
who's a problem for ideological pushes, that's it. So I'm

630
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,519
not under AFR. I don't have to be told by

631
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,960
any of those people what to say or what to do.

632
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,159
And you'll notice that what did they do. They pushed

633
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:06,519
out all of these people that weren't going along with

634
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:10,239
their stances for market shares, and they pushed out good

635
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:17,559
people like father John Whiteford and others. And they're so

636
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,000
boomer they don't even realize that, like they're just running

637
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,599
off their audience. And you know, all they can say,

638
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,199
is that we have an audience over here because I'm

639
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,599
a bad person. Yeah, that's it. So it's just me

640
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,320
being a bad person. I know, I know, I know

641
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,440
I'm the worst person. But how is it if I'm

642
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,159
even if I'm the worst person? Ever, how is it

643
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:37,760
that we're so right about all this stuff? How have

644
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,800
we been so right? Why are we the only person

645
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,239
talking about institutional capture? Why are we the only person

646
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,320
talking about institutional subversion? Where are the priests talking about this?

647
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,039
Shouldn't priests discuss this? No, they're still pretending like it

648
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,280
doesn't exist. As a lot of these OCA priests commune

649
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:05,480
skiddles people openly, and commune people that are identifying as

650
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:09,559
different things. So there you go. What was I tell you? Yeah?

651
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:15,840
So there you go. Yeah, they pushed out multiple people,

652
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,880
by the way, it's not just it's not just one

653
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:28,199
or two people. If you would hit like and share.

654
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,719
Let's look at a little bit of Ivory's interview with

655
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,039
this guy who was at CNN. His book is about

656
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,440
and they were both on timcasts recently, so talking about

657
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,639
this this strategy here. So let's listen a little bit

658
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,480
of this and I'll comment as we go through the

659
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:50,440
link to the video is right here. Ivory's video there.

660
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,480
So let's listen to some.

661
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 4: Of this For me, I guess by first blowing the

662
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,559
whistle on CNN and now we have your new book,

663
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:04,199
I got to show the audience this was CNN, how sex,

664
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,320
lies and spies undid the world's worst news network. Congrats

665
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,199
on this book.

666
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 5: Hey, much appreciated, Ivory. And that's all you and I

667
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,199
are doing. We're part of a cool little fraternity and

668
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,800
we're building it bigger and bigger as we go. Many

669
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,840
people have come to me saying they watched your story

670
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,239
just as they watched mine. So thank you for what

671
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,280
you did as well. I mean, we met that day

672
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,880
and then we out of nowhere flew to Tim Poole's

673
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,760
house for his show that night. It was a wild

674
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,519
whirlwind ride for you as well. But yeah, here we are.

675
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,079
So let's get the party started right exactly.

676
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,679
Speaker 4: Let's get into what you saw, how compromised CNN was

677
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,039
before a lot of CNN viewers noticed it was compromised.

678
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,400
The crazy thing is CNN's ratings have been going down

679
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,920
their own viewers who used to like them. They're becoming

680
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,920
too obvious now, So dive into your story and what

681
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,800
you witnessed on the inside there.

682
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,079
Speaker 5: Sure for the thirty thousand foot view for people that

683
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,440
maybe just joining us. It was three years ago. But

684
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,639
long story short, I came to see Ann summer of

685
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,440
twenty seventeen as a registered Democratic campaigned for Bernie. That's

686
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,559
kind of where I was at. And I got the

687
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,400
job at CNN really happy to go. You know where

688
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,039
real news is and you know, speak truth to power

689
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,760
like you did at Fox and Everything. And you know,

690
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,360
I went there to take down Trump and you know,

691
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,840
keep him honest, so to speak. But even from the

692
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,679
get go, within a first few weeks, my first job

693
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,639
was boots on ground in Charlottesville after the riots happened

694
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,159
at the University of Virginia. And even though I was

695
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,079
not a fan of Trump and Republicans in general, I

696
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,000
saw the president the then presidents say they're good people

697
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:44,280
on both sides, but not the neo Nazis, white supremacists,

698
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,880
and they should be disavowed totally. Like I saw that

699
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,239
boots on ground. But what did I see when I

700
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,519
got back to the office. It's the whole good people

701
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:55,360
on both sides cut the fallacy that even Joe Biden

702
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,840
put on his coming out campaign ad is those missing

703
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,920
extra three seconds of very powerful context. And I just

704
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
started to notice things like that over and over, and

705
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,199
it was a really hard thing for me to stomach

706
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,239
and swallow that this great, venerable news network that I

707
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,239
grew up loving is not quite what it seemed to be.

708
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,000
And the more and more I dug and the deeper

709
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,360
and deeper I pulled on that thread, the more and

710
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,079
more I found and I literally had my own Matrix moment.

711
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,840
It's overplayed in cliche, but it truly is. You know,

712
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,159
I had a choice to make to I want to

713
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:27,880
take the red pill and really see how deep the

714
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,159
rabbit hole goes? Or do I want to stick my

715
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,920
head back in the sand and just do business as usual. Now,

716
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,039
as we both know, you and I both are cut

717
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,679
from the same cloth, we couldn't sit back idly and

718
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,519
see our beloved you know, news networks themselves just go

719
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,239
on business as usual. So I reached out to James

720
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,800
o'keef when I saw him at Seapack in twenty nineteen,

721
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,840
got to talk to him and after a few back

722
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,639
and forth, he's gave me some camera store each day,

723
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,960
and within six to seven months of recording. We had

724
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,599
enough to go to air talking about Jeff Zucker himself

725
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,199
and all the his lieutenants talking about, hey, we don't

726
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,760
care what actual good news is going on in the world.

727
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,800
We want to stick with Trump or this will pay

728
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,639
Trump and the Republicans the bad lights.

729
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: And most people don't know that this is Operation Mockingberg, right,

730
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,559
Operation Mockingbird was this plan. I have to remember to

731
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,119
mute because you know how this works. Unmute And as

732
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,960
I said, I'm super tired today. So you know, Mockingbird

733
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,480
was a way to control media via the intelligence apparatus,

734
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:48,280
and it was very successful for a long time, and

735
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,559
it was exposed by Woodward and Bernstein, who are themselves

736
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,719
sort of you know, liberal journalists that ended up basically

737
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,639
being just kind of other parts of the establishment. So

738
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,320
but it's an insight into the reality of mass media

739
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,000
being a controlled operation. And pretty much everybody can see

740
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:06,400
this now.

741
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,679
Speaker 6: I think, right, fake news, unbelievable figs.

742
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: But that's why it's fake news. Right, It's not just

743
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,920
people making up stuff, it's actual talking points that are

744
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:26,599
passed on a chain of command that come from a

745
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,079
very powerful power structure, right, which is the Milner Fabian

746
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,000
power structure, and they bought up all of these entities,

747
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,119
all of these media things many many years ago, all

748
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:41,400
these media outlets. And that's covered, as we said at

749
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,599
length in the raw two text that we've been lecturing through,

750
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:50,440
and there's plenty, there's plenty of other books things well

751
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,159
known the Mighty Worlitzer, the control of the media via

752
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,159
the intelligence agencies. And that's because people are recruiting to

753
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:03,760
these things out of universities, out of academia, and they

754
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,119
do not have your best interest in heart. In fact,

755
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,800
many of these people are particularly co opted and brought

756
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,880
into this because they're morally compromised people. So again we

757
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,400
know Whitney Webb has just put out two volume text

758
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:22,599
right about blackmail and how blackmail is crucial to controlling

759
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,000
power structure. And that's exactly what we see again in

760
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:30,159
both of these texts from people in the Cold War

761
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:34,480
who had opposite world I mean, well, I don't opposite,

762
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,800
but right wing versus left wing ideology, whether it's Cohler's

763
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,679
text on Spies the Vatican or Williams's text on Gladio

764
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,840
right both right wing and left wing during the Cold War,

765
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:53,000
admitting the high degree of compromise that we see both

766
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,719
in the Vatican and in for example, the Orthodox Church

767
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,360
in Russia during the Cold War. And we've done entire

768
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:04,320
extents the talks and interviews with multiple competent academics and

769
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:18,119
authorities on this, from Jim Jatras to Metropolitan Jonah. So

770
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,079
here is the interview we do with Metropolitan Jona, which

771
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:32,440
is kind of a classic. There is the Jatras interviews

772
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:39,880
that we've done America and Byzantium is the first one

773
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,599
we did, which I highly recommend going and watching that.

774
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:50,800
And then USA, Russia Orthodoxy and Ukraine Schism, so you

775
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,039
can go watch that. And I mean, do you see

776
00:55:55,039 --> 00:56:02,960
me over here interviewing idiots and nobody's or do you

777
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,039
see me interviewing COLONL. Douglas McGregor? All right, who am

778
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:14,199
I over here interviewing? You tell me? Do I interview

779
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:23,440
nobody's idiots? Tards? Do we interview actually competent, smart, intelligent people?

780
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,360
I mean, how would I be introduced? How would I

781
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,320
talk to these people and have these interviews? If I

782
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,519
have some sort of kuke crackpot? I mean, does somebody

783
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:42,079
even thought about this? How would we do? How would

784
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:46,199
we interview and do that entire three hour podcast with Coughlin,

785
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:55,159
who was the Pentagon's chief intelligence analyst consultant on Islam

786
00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:01,159
for many years, doctor or Stephen Coughlin, How would we

787
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:14,920
do that? Is it? Yeah? Exactly, it's because it's because

788
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,880
I know what I'm talking about. I'm not crazy, and

789
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,800
that's why I talked to these people, and the other

790
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,880
people don't talk to these people. Right, some of the

791
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,639
people who call me names or whatever who come at

792
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,880
me attack me like they're not talking to these people.

793
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,280
We're talking to high level global experts on stuff. Okay,

794
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,800
like who are these people talking to nobody?

795
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: You know Fox News? Is this that they're damaging to

796
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,519
the American psyche? So all these things I got to

797
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:42,880
hear not from just low level people, but from the

798
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,320
people at the top. And then we had enough to

799
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,719
go to air, and we did in October of twenty nineteen,

800
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,519
you know, starting a firestorm, and you know I eventually

801
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,280
got fired actually that day, and then you know, we

802
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,480
came down to move to Florida to escape it. And

803
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:59,239
then fast forward three years and now CNN is kind

804
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,280
of sad in a death spiral. They're just asking for air.

805
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,719
They're even having to hire Bill Maher to come on

806
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,519
and do like a.

807
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: Jeff Zucker were you did you ever meet Chris?

808
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip a head past. I mean, I want

809
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:13,599
to get to the interesting part. I don't really care

810
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:14,519
about his perfection.

811
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: Basically the Hunter Biden corruption with Joe Biden. How can

812
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,960
we say that Trump is the bad guy when Joe

813
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,559
Biden has this all this corruption in his background. He's

814
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:30,880
literally saying that off air, but then on air it's

815
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,679
a totally different story.

816
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: Ah.

817
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 4: Why was the company doing that because they apparently agree

818
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,119
with people on the right.

819
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,519
Speaker 1: Why is the pillows square?

820
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 7: I'm glad you asked this.

821
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 8: Is this is Mike Lindella. I'm telling you not to

822
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,639
buy these pillows. These pillows are crazy. Go to my

823
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,480
giez a dream sheet. It's a pillow shaped like a pyramid.

824
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:03,119
To rule right off, you'll be wake fresh, ready to

825
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:04,039
attack the day.

826
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:08,599
Speaker 1: Kart ba dum and to throw in a little Mike

827
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:09,880
Lindell and it's.

828
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 5: A wild ride. Ivory and I do want to kind

829
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,119
of give credit where it's due. I believe the one

830
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:16,039
you're talking about is the second or third CNN insider

831
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:19,000
after me. That's their story. But it's a good problem

832
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,280
to have where so many people are coming forward now

833
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:24,440
from within CNN and other companies. But yes, this is

834
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,239
the thing. These are the things that people say in

835
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,559
private but not in public. And that's what Project Veritas

836
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:31,960
is very good at, is getting people to on camera

837
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,039
seeing the quiet parts out loud. But yeah, it's it's

838
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,400
it's insane. I mean, obviously I can only speculate. I

839
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,280
didn't get all of it off with that on tape,

840
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:41,559
but I mean, if you're if you're an on air

841
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,199
personality and you're getting a high six to low seven

842
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:49,199
figure income, you know you pretty much when they say jump,

843
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,159
you say how high? And you know that's my only speculations.

844
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,559
They just didn't want to lose that fat paycheck living

845
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,039
in DC or New York City.

846
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: Wow. Well, yeah, they're jumping as high as the compromise

847
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,519
company wants them to. And it's actually they're committing their

848
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,199
own suicide, you know, by by doing this.

849
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 5: It appears yep, And that's the thing.

850
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: I was just going to add that they even tried

851
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,719
CNN Plus because Fox Nation was doing so well. Fox

852
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,599
Nation is the online streaming version of Fox News. To

853
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:22,480
CNN said.

854
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 9: Let's try it to CNN Plus doesn't even last a month.

855
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,679
There's already so much left wing propaganda out there. Why

856
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,360
do people want to pay for it with CNN Plus?

857
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,639
Speaker 5: Well, right, especially when it's going to be I think

858
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:37,719
they open it up at what five or six bucks

859
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,880
a month, and then when they were only getting five

860
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,039
to ten thousand subscribers, they cut in half, and I mean.

861
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: Soo jiant failer. We know that. Let's talk about the intelligence.

862
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 5: They're currently employed now at CNN or have in the past,

863
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:52,440
and the craziest part ivory and it's this is all

864
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,679
most of it is public knowledge that these people would

865
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,360
literally put on their LinkedIn former intelligence officer at x Y.

866
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: There you go, a military at.

867
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 5: This particular branch, like these people would literally put it

868
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:15,480
on their LinkedIn public public profile like they from January

869
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:18,320
to December and then from the next January at CNN.

870
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: So these are just bureaucrats that just censor everything and

871
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:27,000
lie to enforce the narrative and the whole system is fake.

872
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:32,280
There you go, it's all fake and Gray vindicated. So

873
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,079
here you go two former mainstream media people here telling

874
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,239
you it's fake and gray And what did all the

875
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,719
Twitter files show us. It's all fake and gray. All

876
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,559
the Twitter for the last several years the whole time

877
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:53,280
was an intelligence censored It was basically a Twitter was

878
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,360
basically an online version of Operation Mockingbird. That's it, Okay, yeah,

879
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,000
exactly everything that I knew talked about long time ago.

880
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,880
We talked about this on Boiler Room like seven years ago.

881
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:12,599
So we were right vindicated on telling you this stuff.

882
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,320
Seven years ago. We told you they would eat, that

883
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,480
you'd be eating bugs, and that you would be told

884
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,559
that cannibalism is good. Here we are seven years We

885
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,440
told you about the cannibalism seven years ago. Jamie me

886
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,320
eating bugs with Tristan five, six years ago, four or

887
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,360
five years ago. Here we are eat the bugs. We're

888
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:36,079
eating the bugs. We're in the most angliar world. So

889
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:41,320
COVID nineteen crisis, let's create the most ang word. But

890
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,400
remember none of that even exists. Father Damik says, there's

891
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,320
no such thing as foundations that exists to influence religions

892
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,360
or orthodoxy. There's no such thing as foundations that exist

893
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,079
to influence or change orthodoxy. Now of the week, we'll

894
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:07,280
be doing another stream with Rachel on institutional capture in

895
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,360
terms of her research and if you don't know, Rachel

896
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:17,199
has a sub stack where she covered the subversion of

897
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:24,320
Christianity along the exact same lines of what we're talking about, right,

898
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,519
and it's going to be very relevant to what we

899
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:38,719
were talking about. Yeah, here it is, no, thank you,

900
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,639
let's have the Brittany, Brittany, Brittany here you go. So

901
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,039
go read this if you want to, gets into a

902
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:55,559
lot more detail, and it's all sourced, all one demonstrable,

903
01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:03,360
nothing to do with conspiracy theories. So no Ortho Christian,

904
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,760
no Jesse Dominic. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's facts.

905
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:09,679
And let's read this a little bit too, because this

906
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,400
is relevant. The patriarpar following and gave an interview. Let's

907
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:20,000
see when did this come out? This was from I

908
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,119
don't see a date. Let's just read it recent or

909
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:29,719
was that the date? No, anyway, it's an article article

910
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,679
within the last year or two. Readers are already tired

911
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:37,159
of the abundant publications about Bartholomew regarding his ambiguous narrative

912
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:39,760
as to what's happening in the church, joint photos with

913
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:47,199
Francis all the ecumenist, blah blah blah, Bartholomew, so this

914
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,679
article was twenty twenty one, gave another interview where he

915
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:53,960
confirmed his activities in their future aimed at a union

916
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,360
with Rome.

917
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: It's a conspiracy theory.

918
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, our following me only says it openly. It's

919
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,559
a total conspiracy theory. And let's remember too that here

920
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,440
I'll give you guys. Do I give you as Rachel's article.

921
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,440
Remember I'm tired so much my mind as much as

922
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:23,280
Rachel's article. So remember, none of this exists according to

923
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,840
the normy docs. It doesn't exist. Not there. So we'll

924
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,360
be covering that at the end of the week with

925
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:34,239
Rachel the big Foundation money. But let's read the rest

926
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:39,719
of this before it proceeds at analyzing this interview. Bartholomew

927
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:49,599
blah blah blah, thirty years of patriarch. His message confirmed

928
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:55,719
his loyalty to the liberal agenda of joining with the Vatican.

929
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,639
In fact preamble. The interview was from a website prepared

930
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:03,599
by a European Protestant publication, and the interview Bartholomew answers

931
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,920
questions about unification with Rome, his actions in the Ukraine.

932
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:12,760
Blah blah blah. Of course, that's what it's about and

933
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,519
I mean this is like, there's a bunch of things

934
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:22,079
about this. It's not new, right. The mission of the Church,

935
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:26,039
according to Bartholomew is number one, ecumenism, number two protection

936
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,079
of the world and nature. Now, I'm pretty sure that

937
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:33,159
ecumenism and protecting nature are not the one and two

938
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,519
number one and two messages of Orthodoxy. Pretty sure that

939
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:42,719
salvation of souls, worship of God, salvation of souls aren't

940
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:44,800
those of the number one and number two things, I

941
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,480
would think. And then the stability of and unity of

942
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:55,280
world Orthodoxy. And why is that Well, because he is,

943
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,559
of course a central figure in the World Council Churches,

944
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,519
and the World Council Churches was an open Fabian socialist,

945
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,719
create an institution on record, not a conspiracy theory set

946
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,239
up by these people, and particularly by a figure from

947
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:16,800
British intelligence. Venhoft remember that guy because it sounds like

948
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:22,440
vim Hoff, But it's Vissert Hoofed who was involved in

949
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:28,239
getting the World Council Churches set up and bringing in

950
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,480
the Orthodox into the World Council Churches. There you can

951
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:39,920
see in Ratiu's analysis right there, Vissart hoofed them, Vissard

952
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:52,360
hoofed who was British Intelligence. What was the plans of

953
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,480
the World Council Churches, It says the first Secretary General

954
01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:00,719
was them Vissert Hoofed who belonged to the Social Gospel

955
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,360
movement which preach the formist Christian socialism. It was promoted

956
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,760
by the Anglo American Fabian Group. In addition, Visit Hoof

957
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:14,519
maintained close links to international money power via the MI

958
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:18,199
six and OSS operating out of Geneva in the nineteen forties,

959
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,600
as well as connections to the KGB. Ostensibly he was

960
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,960
aiming to promote the unity of faith and peace through

961
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,720
acumunism amongst Christian churches, but in reality the World Council

962
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,399
Churches aim to create a new society along socialist lines

963
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:41,840
Fabian socialists not Marxists, and they considered this is wild

964
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:49,159
Rhodesia's Robert Mugabe as a ideal leader for a Christian society,

965
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:52,079
I kid you not. The WCC is headquartered in the

966
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:56,239
Ecumenical Center in Geneva, in the vicinity of various United

967
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,800
Nations outfits, and has declared itself committed to the principles

968
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,119
of purpose of the United Nations. Two entities have been

969
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:04,520
officially engaged in strong and close collaboration. According to the

970
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,479
United Nations Acumenists World website Ecclesia dot cod at UK,

971
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,000
the Milner Fabian dominated power structure was instrumental in helping

972
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:17,680
to set this up, as well as bringing in Anglican, Protestant,

973
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:27,479
Orthodox and Roman Catholic involvement in the WCC. Now there's

974
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,520
different levels of involvement. So just because a person attends

975
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,279
a paper presentation, or just because a person goes and

976
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:40,479
you know, discusses with groups, that's not acumenism, but the

977
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,600
idea of it. You're saying that there is no church

978
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,800
and we're all in the process of discovering the church,

979
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,680
which is the presupposition of global ecumenist movements. Then that

980
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,760
is heterodox in terms of ecclesiology. Now, where does the

981
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,279
cumunist movement come from? This is really important of this

982
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:06,000
because this is not even hard to find. It's actually

983
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:15,119
openly in one of these classics, the Authorized Biography of

984
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,399
the Rockefellers from Collier and Horowitz. This is a famous

985
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,079
text that you've seen me reference many many times, many

986
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:29,560
many countless pulling this out. So does any of this

987
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,560
look like a conspiracy text? Does this look like a

988
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:39,079
conspiracy text to you. Let's look at this. This is

989
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:51,760
a gigantic, gigantor tone official biography. You understand that that's

990
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,000
not a conspiracy text. You know the difference between those

991
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:03,680
two nineteen seventy six Collier and Horowitz. Okay, And what

992
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,800
does the official from the archives, the official history of

993
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:15,680
the Rockefeller family tell us about ecumenism. Well, I'd be

994
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,600
happy to tell you about it. It's one of the

995
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:25,720
best chapters in the book. So this is over on

996
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,079
page Let's see if we can get this.

997
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,159
Speaker 2: This is a.

998
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: Gigantorpe book, so let's see if we can make it

999
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,079
fit over here where you can see it. I'm spilling

1000
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:39,960
chalks everywhere. So here's the thing. I can't see it

1001
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,520
when we do this, I can't see what's over here,

1002
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:49,079
all right. So this is the chapter on acumenism, in

1003
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:53,479
the founding of ecumenism, in the funding of ecumenism via

1004
01:11:53,720 --> 01:12:01,199
this family's vast wealth. And this is Juniorefeller had inherited

1005
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:05,319
the Eliza Rockefeller's tendency to consolidate and trim wastefulness. The

1006
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:08,399
alder the where he was involved in his Baptist church,

1007
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,159
which he decided that it was time to get rid

1008
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:14,960
of the fundamentalist beliefs and turn it into something like

1009
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:24,800
a social gospel social gospel. The formation of the Federal

1010
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,319
Council of Churches in nineteen eight had given the ecaumenical

1011
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:38,920
movement there you got right there, preliminary organized form. And

1012
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:41,800
what was the goal of the Rockefeller Ecumenist movement, which

1013
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,840
is the basis for the World Council Churches National Council Churches,

1014
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,800
the eventual erection of a one world religion that would

1015
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,760
be controlled by this family which dominates the American power

1016
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,840
structure and landscape. So he could basically turn the new

1017
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:07,359
religion into an element of Americanist soft power social gospel

1018
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,119
right here, s yeh? Can you read? Is this a

1019
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:12,960
conspiracy text?

1020
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:13,159
Speaker 4: No?

1021
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:15,359
Speaker 1: Do we have a lot of slow boys in the

1022
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:17,840
audience that to spell this out for you step by step,

1023
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,960
that'll walk you through this. People can't figure this out.

1024
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:31,319
Seventy five million dollars was given via the Council Foreign

1025
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:40,960
Relations and via the Rockefellers to help foster this burgeoning

1026
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,920
Acumenist movement in the nineteen thirties. In nineteen thirty two,

1027
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:52,720
this money was given they helped. They chose modernist professors, seminarians,

1028
01:13:53,119 --> 01:14:04,039
and teachers such as Reverends Buttrick Gates, and from the

1029
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:07,279
Charitable Trust John Mott and Ivy Lee. All these are

1030
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:11,159
partisans of a modernist church endorsing all progressive as trends.

1031
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,880
The conflicts had broken out into a storm at the

1032
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,199
head of one of these circles being the new Reverend

1033
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:22,960
Harry Emerson Fosdick, brother of Raymond and pastor of the

1034
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:30,800
old Presbyterian Church. Fosick had begun as a conciliator against fundamentalism.

1035
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,960
Fosbick and was then chosen by Junior Rockefeller to beat

1036
01:14:37,359 --> 01:14:43,520
their sort of frontispiece for Rockefeller Cumenism. Junior gave twenty

1037
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,760
six million dollars. Check this out. Junior Rockefeller gives twenty

1038
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:55,399
six million dollars for the creation of the Riverside Cathedral,

1039
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,920
and they put Fosdick in as the minister of their

1040
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:07,239
own created Protestant church. And this confrontation was continued at

1041
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:10,680
the Protestant General Since the fundamentalist Protestants at this time

1042
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,520
are having a problem with this and rejecting it. Right,

1043
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:20,039
let's get back over here. And so they note that

1044
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,319
Fosdick was always attacked and continued to be attacked on

1045
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:30,439
the question of modernism. However, Junior Rockefeller always continued to

1046
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,800
support him. And then it says in the footnote, the

1047
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,840
confrontation continued in the Protestant General Assembly, which is some

1048
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,920
Protestant meeting trying to defend against liberalism. The fundamentalists were

1049
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,560
led by William Jennings Bryan, and they tried to excommunicate Fosdick,

1050
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,600
charging that he was guilty of heresy casting doubt on

1051
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,560
the virgin birth. So Fosdick denied the virgin birth right.

1052
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:55,720
Fosdick was aided in his parliamentary victory over William Jennings

1053
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,479
Bryan by a young attorney who became a leading layman

1054
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,439
in the church, and he felt strongly about denying the

1055
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:08,359
virgin birth. Who was this leading layman. Why it was

1056
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,680
none other than John Foster Dulles. You may have heard

1057
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:21,039
of these figures because Alan Dulles he's the head of

1058
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:28,479
the CIA. So you have these Rockefeller attache underlings minions.

1059
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:33,439
One hand, they're involved in the very beginning and founding

1060
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,720
a creation of the CIAOSS and then the CIA, and

1061
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,239
then you have Dullest family involved in the religious circles.

1062
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,520
And by the way, there's a whole other one that

1063
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:48,600
becomes a cardinal, Avery Dulles, same family. In nineteen thirty,

1064
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,800
six thousand people gathered for the opening service at the

1065
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:58,640
giant Gothic Riverside Cathedral. You gotta see this. This is

1066
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,000
one of the best parts for her. Check this out.

1067
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:10,680
The cathedral featured a syncretous cacophony of new religious figures

1068
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,880
gathered under one syncretous roof. Who were the saints in

1069
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:24,359
this new modernist Rockefeller created cathedral? Why none other than Confucius, Moses, Hegel, Dante, Mohammed,

1070
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:40,239
Darwin and Jesus. The Rockefellers then created Union Theological Seminary.

1071
01:17:41,239 --> 01:17:44,279
Junior helped with that endowment by giving a one million

1072
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,920
dollar gift, or they bought it off. If they created

1073
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,479
or bought it, I think they pretty much created through

1074
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:57,760
the Laura Spelman Rockefler Memorial Fund. They promoted through Union

1075
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,159
Seminary reinholdniber all of the fame as Protestant liberals, especially

1076
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,880
rein holdneber So. In other words, you understand that Protestant

1077
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,479
liberalism in the twentieth century is a creation of these people.

1078
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,000
This is not about when you get this book out

1079
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,840
of the way, It's not about that. It's not about

1080
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,039
we're not doing weaponizing anthropology. Right now. We will look

1081
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:17,279
at a chapter in that book. I think it don't

1082
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:20,359
talk about religion in there. But by the time of

1083
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:24,560
his death, Junior had contributed a total of seventy five

1084
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,560
million dollars too. This is in the thirties, dude, thirties

1085
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:34,359
and forties money to ecumenism, and this and the promotion

1086
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,960
of liberal Protestantism to a degree, Junior's go this is

1087
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,720
a footnote. See this right here, seventy five million of

1088
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,600
Junior Rockefeller to create essentially the modern ecumenist movement. And

1089
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:52,720
then what do we have here? To some degree, this

1090
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,000
dream of a united streamline church came true. In nineteen

1091
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,159
fifty the Federal Council Churches merged with twelve Protestant liberal agencies,

1092
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:02,119
the National Council Triche, which was a result Rockefeller provided

1093
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:06,880
the initial capital to fund the study of organizational structures

1094
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:12,760
for a new created church, and thus the Riverside Church

1095
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,359
as its headquarters. And then they built a fifteen story

1096
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:23,720
interchurch center that became the essence of the ecumenist movement.

1097
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,159
There you go, one percent created by these people in

1098
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:37,159
tandem with their Eastern Seaboard elite families, in tandem with

1099
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:46,279
the British Royal Society elite. One percent basic academic geopolitical history.

1100
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:49,600
So is it a conspiracy, Well, it's a conspiracy in

1101
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,960
the sense that these people are evil and they want

1102
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:01,199
to utilize religion and Christianity for their own purposes, and

1103
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:04,600
they conspire to do it. But it's not a conspiracy

1104
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,000
the sense that it's hidden. It's out in the open.

1105
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:19,119
And do you understand these aren't conspiracy texts. Now, a

1106
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:23,239
little interlude here. I want to thank our friends that

1107
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:26,159
gave us and they wrote a really nice note at

1108
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,680
the event. We got an icon of Saint Joseph the hesycast.

1109
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,960
Thank you for that. And then we got a nice

1110
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:35,239
little note for thanking us for helping to convert them

1111
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:39,720
to Orthodoxy. So I appreciate that. I won't h I

1112
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,479
think they did. They want I'll give a first name

1113
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,319
shout out right, so it's Justin and Abby. I think Gabby.

1114
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,760
Justin and Gabby shout out to you guys. Thank you

1115
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:57,680
for that cool icon, and thank you guys for the

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it's March eighth or ninth, somewhere in there, whatever that

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Thursday is, whether that's I don't know, let's see what

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1138
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for those super chats. You get the idea, so the

1139
01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:40,640
background to what we're seeing with Bartholomew and the idea

1140
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,119
for the push for a world religion together with all

1141
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:48,159
the other Protestant sex and now together with Kris Loom

1142
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:55,520
and the Abu Dhabi Faith Center which just opened. I

1143
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,920
think right this just opened. Somebody was saying on Twitter,

1144
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,199
can we confirm that the Abrahamic Faith House in United

1145
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:12,319
Arab Emirates that comes out of old Papa Frank's document

1146
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:15,680
on a Human Fraternity that he signed together with one

1147
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,239
of the Emams. The shared values that we all have,

1148
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,560
even though we don't have shared values because we don't

1149
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,840
believe in natural theology Vatican two and no stratate. But

1150
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,319
there's quite a few Ecumenists and want to be Roman

1151
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:37,640
Catholics and they do believe that we all worship the

1152
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,319
same God because of a word concept fallacy known as

1153
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,680
the word Father or the word God or monotheism, as

1154
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,640
if those things mean the same thing, as if monarchical

1155
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,000
Trinitarianism is the same thing as unitarianism. It's not, but

1156
01:23:52,079 --> 01:23:55,680
didn't you know it was? Well, Francis and the Grand

1157
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,520
Emam have decided that it is, and it's good enough

1158
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,199
now that we can build an entire faith center, which

1159
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:14,920
has it just opened Abu Dhabi, the Abramic Faith Center.

1160
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,960
I mean, if this doesn't convince you, yeah, here we go.

1161
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,359
I think it just would open a day or two

1162
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:46,680
ago March first, so not open yet almost open. So

1163
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:53,039
there's three stupid ass fake ass cathedrals or whatever these are.

1164
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:57,479
The look like looks like a damn office depot, like

1165
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:04,119
a warehouse, looks like a Communists What the heck? What

1166
01:25:04,319 --> 01:25:10,720
is that? Illuminate confirm right opens March first. It's a

1167
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,239
multi faith place of worship. How can you have a

1168
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:20,600
multi faith place of worship together with arians and haters

1169
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:25,119
of Christ? Right, John says, anyone who denies the incarnations

1170
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,399
of the spirit of Antichrist? Okay, well, then that means

1171
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,880
Islam is of the spirit of Antichrist. So how are

1172
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,560
you going to have a common faith center together with

1173
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:41,840
Arius and Astorias and Eunomius and Muhammad and Mimonoides. Oh well,

1174
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,600
if you believe the World Council of Church's new religion

1175
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:54,159
of the Rockefellers, and then yeah, we're all worshiping the

1176
01:25:54,199 --> 01:25:57,880
same thing because it's the same word God. Okay, So

1177
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,600
if I believe in one God and it's Satan or Lucifer,

1178
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,640
or are we still worshiping the same God because it's

1179
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,399
the same it's a monotheism. This is the stupidity of

1180
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,479
these people. They literally argue that by way I had.

1181
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,840
I was at a philosophy conference, a conference a few

1182
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,760
days ago which I will not be going back to

1183
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:17,039
the gigantic, four hundred pound boomer screaming in my face

1184
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:24,039
that our goal is to teach skeptics, but by denying

1185
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:28,359
natural theology, it's to create human skeptics. Yeah. Sure, so

1186
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,159
my goal is to create people to take atheist skeptics,

1187
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,920
convert them to Orthodoxy, to make them atheo skeptics. Yeah,

1188
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,479
because it makes a lot of sense. I'm not joking

1189
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:45,680
a foreigner pound screaming boomer academic in my face. Because

1190
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:51,840
I deny natural theology, people are losing it, dude. People

1191
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,199
are just nuts. And you know that's why we're We're

1192
01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:58,199
We're gonna tighten up our circles who we interact with. Yeah,

1193
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:01,880
he was four hunderd pounds foreigner pound boomer academics, screaming

1194
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:06,640
in my face about natural theology, no arguments, just screaming

1195
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,079
those gonna fight me. I'm not joking. So I just

1196
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,119
left because we're not dealing with rational people anymore. We're

1197
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:19,640
dealing with people are just losing their mind. I have

1198
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,239
these people are on freaking SSR eyes and half of

1199
01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:29,000
them are losing their mind. So we've got to tighten

1200
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:30,800
up who we talk to and who we interact with

1201
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,960
because people are getting crazy. Who are going nuts? So,

1202
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,439
and there's a lot of subversives out there too, right,

1203
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,880
So people pretend to be nice and friendly and they're

1204
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:48,640
just completely subversive, demonic individuals. So let's look at next

1205
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:55,439
clip because now you see that he admitted that we're

1206
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:02,399
dealing with institutional capture. Sook at institutional capture or influence

1207
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:08,239
in geo soft power through this interview, which is interesting

1208
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:11,359
because I just got this guy's book. I have not

1209
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,600
read it yet. We are. It's not very long, so

1210
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,680
I'm looking forward to it's his PhD thesis, I guess

1211
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:23,560
on Aaron into the Wilderness. The religion the history of

1212
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,319
the CIA, and we got some good clips that we'll

1213
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:32,039
play from this interview just a little bit to give

1214
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:33,199
you a taste of what we're dealing with.

1215
01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:36,119
Speaker 10: Here, religion and law and so in the US. I've

1216
01:28:36,119 --> 01:28:39,439
always been interested in sorts of First Amendment issues, how

1217
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,800
that plays out in the public square, But my original

1218
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,640
idea for the project was actually something bit different. I

1219
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:51,760
was interested in how antique Catholicism in the United States

1220
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,880
played out with respect to national security concerns in the

1221
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,319
Cold War. And as I was doing some early, sort

1222
01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:01,399
of preliminary poking around in various archives for that project,

1223
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:06,880
I stumbled into the story of Tom Dooley, which is

1224
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,199
basically just part of the story of the CIA's efforts

1225
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:12,399
as part of the Vietnam War to get Americans to

1226
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:17,199
think about Catholicism differently. And I just I'd never encountered this,

1227
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:18,920
I'd never heard of this, and so I kind of

1228
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,000
hold on that thread and the rest of the project

1229
01:29:23,039 --> 01:29:26,439
came together bit by bit, and so for me, I

1230
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,920
think it wasn't something that I had thought about before,

1231
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,000
But once I got into the archives and started tracking

1232
01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:37,359
down some names, it made sense to me that for

1233
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:40,640
many of the same reasons I found studying religion interesting

1234
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,840
that intelligence officers in various decades would have found it

1235
01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:45,960
useful as well.

1236
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think you know one of the things else.

1237
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 1: So news alert shocker, government and intelligence agencies find religion

1238
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,960
to be useful. I find it to be interesting and

1239
01:29:59,039 --> 01:30:05,119
relevant to what they do.

1240
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 7: As I was reading through the book, and particularly in

1241
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,239
the early days, is how much this is? This is

1242
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,199
a book definitely about the CIA and religion, but like

1243
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,039
how much this is also a book about religious studies

1244
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:26,840
and how religious studies shapes things more than maybe they expected, right,

1245
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,439
so so so much of how the CIA is the

1246
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,720
always says into the CIA is going to approach religion

1247
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,640
is based on what you know, academics and a popular

1248
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,359
conscious thought about religion at the time in the forties

1249
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:41,800
and the fifties. How they had and this this newfound

1250
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,479
interest in world religions. So I guess talked to us

1251
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:46,920
a bit about how.

1252
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: Happened and to help give context for that. The reason

1253
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,560
they had an interest in world religions is precisely for

1254
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,319
what I've been telling you the last hour. That's why

1255
01:30:57,079 --> 01:31:08,920
part of what part of weaponizing anthropology is everyone tracking

1256
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,359
are we understanding.

1257
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 7: You know, the way to see a way it was

1258
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:20,760
a suppose to how that is not like just invented

1259
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,399
in a vacuum, but was actually the outworking of, Yeah,

1260
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,000
the kind of the way that field was at the time.

1261
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,319
Speaker 10: Yes, Yeah, I've always been interested in the history of

1262
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:36,399
the academic study of religion. I I I. Originally that

1263
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,800
was another one of my ideas for the project early on,

1264
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:43,039
was to sort of write up that history in North America.

1265
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:44,560
And I think, you know, the main problem with that

1266
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,560
is that there's like seventeen people who might be interested

1267
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,600
in reading such a thing, right, Like, it's pretty niche.

1268
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,279
And so one of the things I was really excited

1269
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:52,319
about with this project is that it does let me

1270
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:55,199
work in, as you noted, some of the other developments

1271
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:58,560
happening in the broader study of religion. So one of

1272
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:03,600
the things that immediately jumped out to me was some

1273
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,279
of the traces you can find in some of the

1274
01:32:06,319 --> 01:32:10,039
actual kind of academic work at the time. So Hustin

1275
01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:13,800
Smith's Religions of Man I mentioned this at one point

1276
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,720
in the book, but it's the first or second edition.

1277
01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:18,000
In the preface of that book, he talks about one

1278
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,119
of the reasons for doing compared to religious studies is

1279
01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:23,680
that the US military is going to need to know

1280
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,960
this stuff to like rule people or work with them

1281
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,520
or whatever. Right, and so it's a very kind of

1282
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,720
applied religious studies understood.

1283
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: That's the that's the anthropology that we're talking about.

1284
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 10: And this was all part of a much larger piece

1285
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:41,159
of how folks in the US and other places around

1286
01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:44,680
the world too, we're thinking about religion. And so the

1287
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,520
big one that jumps out to me is that both

1288
01:32:48,399 --> 01:32:51,359
in the CIA as well as its predecessor of the OSS,

1289
01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:54,439
and in a lot of universities at the time, religion

1290
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,640
was kind of seen as this universal translator. I call

1291
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,800
it a Rosetta stone in the book because one of

1292
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,920
the things that one of the assumptions that people had

1293
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,399
at this time was that if you could understand one

1294
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:11,720
particular religious tradition, you could understand others. And it's of

1295
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,079
course the very like essentialist understanding of religion, or if

1296
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:16,119
you can get to the core, you could figure it out,

1297
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:18,800
and you could then use that to scaffold and understanding

1298
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,920
of other religious systems. And of course, for an intelligence agency,

1299
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,319
really for any sort of government agency, the appeal here

1300
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,000
was that, you know, you wouldn't have to sort of

1301
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,600
have a study of each religion necessarily, You wouldn't have

1302
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,359
to have specialists in every area. If you can crack

1303
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:39,119
you know, Roman Catholicism, you can figure out Buddhism or something,

1304
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:42,319
which sounds really right. I mean, it sounds ridiculous. But

1305
01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:45,199
this is also some of the stuff we we found

1306
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,800
in the archives, and so along with this that basically

1307
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,760
religion could be a universal translator that right, it could

1308
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,359
get past ideas or differences of language.

1309
01:33:54,399 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 1: Ok, let's let's give it as this is. Yeah, so

1310
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,479
we know that the other interested in religion.

1311
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 11: It es so yeah, talk us a bit about that,

1312
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,439
about how that kind of I guess as the outplay

1313
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,720
of this, because it's interesting you talk about how like

1314
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,279
on the other end of things, it was the kind

1315
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:13,359
of the early victories in World War two that was like,

1316
01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:17,920
see it works, and then that kind of held and

1317
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,760
maybe would jump into some of the other bits in between.

1318
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 7: But I mentioned in kind of how that yes, I

1319
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,439
guess the as you said that kind of came tumbling

1320
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,279
down a little bit there at the end.

1321
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:33,279
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the I mean the wow come tumbling wow

1322
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,720
is that John Boomer Mellencamp.

1323
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: Is there anyone worse than John Boomer and Mellencamp?

1324
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,279
Speaker 2: So I don't wanted to know that just.

1325
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: Thee let the Walls come tumbling down? Was John Gruger

1326
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,039
Mellencamp singing about the fall of Berlin Wall? Is that

1327
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:03,159
what that's about? Is that more Boomer Cia Tesla Scorpions crap?

1328
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,399
Did you not know that? By the way, was this Scorpions?

1329
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:09,279
I can't keep with these horrible hair metal bands? Dude?

1330
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,680
Who's the uh? A lot of y'all didn't even know.

1331
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: This team me to the Minica in the moment of night?

1332
01:35:27,359 --> 01:35:35,239
Speaker 1: Who is it? These horrible bands? It's a Guardian article?

1333
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:42,199
Is it Scorpions? I don't know these stupid bands? Winds

1334
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:45,159
have changed? Who sings that? Y'all didn't know that was

1335
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:52,520
a CIA operation? Duh? Scorpions Scorpions power ballad? Was the

1336
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,159
sound of Iron Curtains fall? Yeah? It was a big

1337
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,760
music producer who put to go out of this big

1338
01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:06,520
operation too for at the behest of the CIA for

1339
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:11,520
Scorpions to play the Fall of Berlin Wall. Y'all didn't

1340
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:17,159
even know that, did you?

1341
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:24,520
Speaker 2: Co conspiracy? Thor tea me in the Manica Moment window change.

1342
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, that's about like Western neoliberalism breathing

1343
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:32,520
through the winds of that's what it's. It's actually some

1344
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,880
people argue there's a little eso terry stuff going on. There

1345
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,159
could be, I mean, I don't listen to freaking scorpions

1346
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:43,359
and this boomer crap. But yeah, a lot of y'all

1347
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:46,039
didn't even know that that was a CIA, And there's

1348
01:36:46,039 --> 01:36:54,039
a whole crazy story about this too. Uh yeah, for real,

1349
01:36:56,359 --> 01:37:01,039
let's get to some more of this where we're at.

1350
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 10: The simplest way I think to talk about it is

1351
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,239
that the as you mentioned right at the beginning of

1352
01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:12,520
the story, is a story about building confidence in these

1353
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,199
intelligence agencies because of the perceived role they played in

1354
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:21,399
the victories in World War Two and the early Cold War. It's,

1355
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,840
you know, probably worth noting that a lot of those

1356
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:29,000
victories in what they called the religious approach to intelligence

1357
01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:30,720
may not have been due for as much credit as

1358
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,439
they sometimes gave it. But nonetheless, right, this sort of

1359
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,399
encouraged the idea that, like this was a profitable avenue

1360
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,119
for intelligence work, and so it builds and builds, and

1361
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:43,720
after the Iranian Revolution, you see a couple things happen,

1362
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,720
but the big one is that all of a sudden,

1363
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,000
religion within the body of Vieuss intelligence work gets looked

1364
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,640
at much more critically, and so in the lead up

1365
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,279
to the revolution in the late seventies, even there's an

1366
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,560
uptick and coverage of Islam, there's an uptick and coverage

1367
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,920
of Iran. But it's this idea that Ayatola Homoni is

1368
01:38:03,039 --> 01:38:06,640
just basically that he's crazy and he's sort of almost

1369
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,600
he's almost described as like a time traveler, right, that

1370
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,920
he's this guy that's kind of from the ancient past.

1371
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:13,920
And there's all of these incredible quotes in the Doctor.

1372
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Dude, that's what That's what the Terish at the beginning

1373
01:38:19,279 --> 01:38:22,399
of Back to the Future are, even though they're Libyan, like,

1374
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:28,439
it's the time traveling Komani Mari. Remember, remember the Terish,

1375
01:38:29,079 --> 01:38:32,279
it's the Libyan terrorist. Though that doesn't work, but we'll

1376
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:32,800
make it work.

1377
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 10: Human Doug Miner a record about you know, there's no

1378
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,680
way he could run a modern country because you know,

1379
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,119
someone of his religious interest isn't interested in the modern world.

1380
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,039
He doesn't fit. That's the thing that keeps coming back.

1381
01:38:44,079 --> 01:38:46,359
He doesn't fit and then he does fit as it

1382
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:48,199
turns out right, and all of a sudden they sort

1383
01:38:48,199 --> 01:38:52,600
of have to reassess what went wrong. And so from

1384
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,600
nineteen seventy seven, nineteen seventy eight, then to nineteen eighty

1385
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,000
eighty one, you just see a total shift in how,

1386
01:38:58,399 --> 01:39:01,439
at least to classified documents we have talk about religion.

1387
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,640
And I think the big place you see that are

1388
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,800
the big evidence for that is in the much more

1389
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,720
suspicious stance that the US takes towards liberation theology in

1390
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,920
Central and South America. That right, these are Catholic folks

1391
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,720
doing it. These are pre so many cases.

1392
01:39:18,079 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 1: But keep in mind that even though there is a

1393
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,920
conservative traditionalist element within the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches

1394
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,960
that do not like liberation theology because of their obvious

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connections to Marxism and socialism, there's also a sizable contingent

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within the American power structure that favors liberalism, social gospel,

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and liberation theology because it's amenable too progressing Christianity towards

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the acceptance of family planning.

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Speaker 4: That