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<v Speaker 1>This is Pod Popular Podcast for the People, the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Love Debate. It's the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Great Love Debase.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everyone, it's Brian how We welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Love Debate, the world's number one dating and relationship

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<v Speaker 1>podcast in twenty fifteen. I'm back here in the very

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<v Speaker 1>fine studios of Pod Popular Podcast. I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>podcast for the people. This one's different. This one's the

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<v Speaker 1>elevated media experience. I'm at the one in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the peak, peak peak, Scott's Dazzle here right now,

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<v Speaker 1>So try and find parking outside of the studio. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about something that I've touched on a

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<v Speaker 1>few times before I get in trouble for touching on.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean I'm wrong. And that is the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of girl on girl crime. And I think it is rampant.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a problem. And you might be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean? And like girls getting in fights

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<v Speaker 1>in locker rooms. Not really, it's I think there's a dirty,

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<v Speaker 1>little undercurrent of girls and their friends and their bfsfs

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not exactly rooting for their friend to have success,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not hoping that they're in a relationship, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that their life goes well. Until my life goes well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of that. There's a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about it, So I'm bringing somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in here who may or may not be a pro

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<v Speaker 1>on this. She was on our podcast fairly recently. I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of pigeonholed her into answering a bunch of listener letters.

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<v Speaker 1>She had our holiday mail bag. But she's back. She

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<v Speaker 1>has some thoughts on this, she has some experience on this.

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<v Speaker 1>She's an influencer. She's a mom, she's a beauty queen,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a business owner. She's a badass. She's about to

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<v Speaker 1>start her podcast called Unapologetically Me, Unapologetic Me, unapologetically we

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<v Speaker 1>don't edit around here, Unapologetic Me. The Lovely Crystal Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 1>And because she's a lovely Crystal Carol, I threatened to

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<v Speaker 1>promise whatever you guys, that there is gonna be video

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<v Speaker 1>now on the Great Love Debate with Brian Howie. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is the maiden voyage. This is there's cameras rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the first that I've like caved in, like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras are rolling out. You're the first. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have just the right amount of makeup on and

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready to roll. I know you've experienced this, but

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<v Speaker 1>this starts. I've always made the comment that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think men cause insecurity. I think they prey on it.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time boys get to the picture at when

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<v Speaker 1>we're when you're sixteen, seventeen or whatever, you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>already a little fucked up because at thirteen fourteen, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys girls to each other. Are you gonna wear that?

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<v Speaker 1>You're you gonna eat?

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<v Speaker 3>That?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he gonna call you? Creating this neurosis that by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the men are confident enough to say hello

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<v Speaker 1>to you, guys are already little insecure.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing this a long time and my two sisters too.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is so crazy, because I was just thinking on

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<v Speaker 3>girl and Girl Crime, because I've man, I'm a hit

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<v Speaker 3>list for it, and I was just thinking, do guys

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<v Speaker 3>know it exists?

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<v Speaker 2>Like do they understand the dynamics of women?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so I do, because I've really, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked with a lot of women. I've been around,

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<v Speaker 1>I've directed theater and shows with you know, a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>cast members, and people are always like, Oh, that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a good job, and I'm like, that's the worst job

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<v Speaker 1>ever for a straight guy. It's terrible. You see the cattiness,

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<v Speaker 1>you see the insecurity. A lot of women are like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy for you as long as she's in

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<v Speaker 1>a good place herself. If she's not, I've seen, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>this place is a hot bed for bachelorette parties. Scotts,

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona is the number two bachelorette party place now after Nashville. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference between a bachelor party and a bachelorette party

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<v Speaker 1>is that men go to a bachelor party wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>do bad things. Women go to a bachelorette party hoping

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<v Speaker 1>the bride does bad things, and that's what's screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, let's see if we can get her

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, And I'm always like, that doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a sisterhood, That doesn't feel like a rooting for

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<v Speaker 1>her going on.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think there is. I don't think. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not think most women root for other women.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're for the underdog, the girl who's a couple

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<v Speaker 3>hundred pounds and kind of fugly and oh, let's help Betty.

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<v Speaker 3>But the pretty hot one with a ton of money

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<v Speaker 3>and guys crawling all over her, No way are they

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<v Speaker 3>rooting for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of women are gonna listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get emails because I'm sure I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna be like, no, you don't know my

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<v Speaker 1>friends they're right or die or whatever. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>your friends would blow you off in two seconds for

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<v Speaker 1>a dude or for some other thing, like it just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying it's it's right or wrong or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it's a real thing, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>to we have to deal with it. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure we The women spend a lot of time blaming

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<v Speaker 1>the men for a lot of stuff, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that's not accurate either. I'm saying that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like there's a lot of girls in your corner,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things in your court either. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you one thousand percent. I do think

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<v Speaker 3>there's some rare females that are overly confident and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>have been the you know, like I can honestly tell

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<v Speaker 3>you I root for other women.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's easy to say that when I'm me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm the one that I apologetic you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I have the most money. I men

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<v Speaker 3>usually approach me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't lack confidence, but gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>I have some beautiful friends that still aren't happy when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing amazing and I don't get it because they're

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're beautiful, Mike, what are you worried about me? For?

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<v Speaker 1>So the Bachelor franchise, you know, eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelor audience is women. And there's a reason why the

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelor rates so much higher than the Bachelorette. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>because the Bachelor is about this question for love. The

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<v Speaker 1>women want to see one man reject twenty three women.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to see twenty three guys fighting over

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<v Speaker 1>one woman. This is the kind of the dirty little

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<v Speaker 1>secret of what this is about. And so I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm trying to talk about this. So the first,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, step two it is sort of admitting that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a problem, and then be it's sort of recognizing

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<v Speaker 1>that if you're looking for dating advice or your best

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<v Speaker 1>friend to tell you what you should do, or how

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<v Speaker 1>to answer the guy, or to write your dating profile. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that's where you should go.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, well, look at the Housewives.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the Housewives.

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<v Speaker 3>Your franchise is on rich, plastic women fucking each other over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and people love it. I'm not a.

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<v Speaker 1>Women want the cat fight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a fan of Housewives, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>because they don't enjoy that. But that's a franchise, and

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<v Speaker 3>isn't that all it's about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the cat fights.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is the cat fights. And and the men

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<v Speaker 1>get accused of wanting to watch a good cat fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying we don't, but the women get off

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And they're like they you know, they hope

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<v Speaker 1>that you're dumb, they hope that you're bitchy, they hope

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not successful. Nobody who doesn't know you until

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<v Speaker 1>they know you, hopefully is necessary rooting for you. Oh god, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they look at you. It's weird to be looked at

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<v Speaker 1>as the competition by strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's just an e I think women

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<v Speaker 3>are like, you know, like cats, like wild cats. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're out, they're fighting for the lion all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? So women are women are harsh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're pretty brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up not necessarily affluent. No, is that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a good way to put it?

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this kind of behavior? Is it worse in an

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<v Speaker 1>environment like that where everybody has very little or nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a pretty and pink element in where you

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it worse in a place like we're here now,

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<v Speaker 1>like Scott Stillerzona, where it's it's wealthy. Is the behavior worse?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, in the eighties, when I grew up, affluent

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<v Speaker 3>people hung with afluent people and poor people hung with

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<v Speaker 3>poor people. There wasn't really crossovers, so there was that

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<v Speaker 3>pretty impink, you know, construct and.

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to be the affluent. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>got to be with them, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I realized, Man, I don't know what's worse because they're

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<v Speaker 3>all hating on each other, they're all you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>definitely you know, it's crazy because you know, they just

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<v Speaker 3>learned to be happy, but there's none of that. Somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who's beautiful has it all, still is not happy and

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<v Speaker 3>they're hating.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's insecurity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to even learn that when back in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the early days of this show, I used to

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of talks and conferences and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff where women would come and I would ask

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that you need to be happy? And

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<v Speaker 1>the list was mostly of what makes them unhappy? That

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<v Speaker 1>list was ready to go what made them happy? They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really know because they hadn't spent quite enough time

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<v Speaker 1>on thinking about that. They didn't even have the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a guy to come into your world and

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<v Speaker 1>try and make you happy and increase your happiness when

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<v Speaker 1>you're not even sure what that looks like, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>invisible bullsy had to hit if I said what makes

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<v Speaker 1>you unhappy? Boom boom boom. Now maybe you've had more

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<v Speaker 1>experience with it, but the fact that that is foremost

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the cortex for the women. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think men are like that. I don't think men like

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<v Speaker 1>if I went out with my friends and they hooked up,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even half for them. I just didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>a shit. I don't care. The women, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot like, wait, what, what does he do?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 1>They really want the details of it. I was indifferent

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<v Speaker 1>to my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and they want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have that dating spree for a hot second,

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<v Speaker 3>and I dated some pretty amazing guys that spoiled me rotten.

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<v Speaker 3>I had some girlfriends that were so jealous and so

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<v Speaker 3>petty that so many things are being.

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<v Speaker 2>Bought for me.

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<v Speaker 3>They started a whole circle of talking shit about me

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<v Speaker 3>because ugh, what did Crystal get now?

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<v Speaker 1>And ugh, you know, or what did she do?

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<v Speaker 2>What did she do for that?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it was just it was Crystal time

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<v Speaker 3>I think I just don't give a shit. Guys are

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we don't give a shit. Like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>Know, or whatever your buddy does for a girl, you

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm like, good luck with that, or they'll use

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Crystal's boyfriend bought her this and this and this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Crystal expects to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be treated like a queen, right, And the guy's like, ah, well, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's funny because you know, even even women,

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<v Speaker 1>We know, so you say we do not.

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<v Speaker 2>Dress for Okay, listen, some women dress for men.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying, we get completely dressed up to go shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>And to go to the mall, whatever we're doing. We

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<v Speaker 3>So I used to care what other women thought of me,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I realized that's a losing game.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just don't give a shit. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>Daughters, and I've taught them to treat everybody with kindness.

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<v Speaker 3>And if anything, because you're beautiful, because you now come

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<v Speaker 1>I had a girlfriend once who educated me in Balenciaga

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<v Speaker 1>and Lubitan and everything, and I go, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares? Like what's the difference? And I go, I

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<v Speaker 1>notice the red soul. They're going to assume that you

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<v Speaker 1>bought that that reflects well on you. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. She goes, let's try it one time.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went to like meet some people, and she

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<v Speaker 1>sat there and wiggled her foot so that she could

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<v Speaker 1>see it. I did watch the women react to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I did what Andy, They weren't necessary, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she was an attorney, she was pretty successful. She could

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<v Speaker 1>have bought them her own. But she looked at me like, see,

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<v Speaker 1>they think that you're good because I'm wearing these shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>and they do, but they're like this reflects well on you.

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<v Speaker 1>The women are noticing what I wear. The women are

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<v Speaker 1>noticing one of the the guys are just like, she's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they didn't care because they don't speak fluent praduct.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I'm sure they thought you were the best

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I when I was married, I had what a seven

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<v Speaker 3>or eight carrot ring, and I would be in Chanelle

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<v Speaker 3>dripping and women.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say to me. The first thing a woman would

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<v Speaker 2>say was, wow, you have a great husband. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you've never met him and sactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Secondly, I bought this eight carrot, I bought this sl

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<v Speaker 3>I work, but he got a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of kudos. They just thought he was amazing on

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<v Speaker 3>I drussed because they made the assumption that he bought

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<v Speaker 3>me everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so he got to eat benefit benefit. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>got to swim in your wake. All right, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to swim in some seven eight caret water. He's here,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got to take a quick break because I

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<v Speaker 1>got to pay for stuff like this. I'm with Crystal Carol.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about girl and girl crime. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>right after this, and we are back. How does a

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<v Speaker 1>woman is there a technique or is there a question

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<v Speaker 1>or is there a read that you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, can I trust my sisters here? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>trust my girlfriends? Or is it just like there's no scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>everything is different. You kind of just have to be

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable on your own and if they're with you, they're

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<v Speaker 1>with you. And if they're not, they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot trust women.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell my daughters the only person you can trust

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<v Speaker 3>is your mom, your mom and your sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Women are not trustworthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know some moms you can't trust either. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of moms who are like, I gave up

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<v Speaker 1>my career as a ballerina to have you. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a resentment there is that. That's a thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a thing. I know girl who had a friend

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<v Speaker 1>for like twenty years. During most of those twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>she was unhappily married. Well, she got divorced and then

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<v Speaker 1>started dating somebody who she was great. Suddenly when she

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<v Speaker 1>was happy, the friend suddenly wasn't her best friend anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, was she friends with me that whole time?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was down in the dumps? It was crushing

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<v Speaker 1>for her. It was like a betrayal.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a woman thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then that is such a woman thing. See, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. I'm never going to give the guys the credit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very very hard on the men. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I think we are better at. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you are too. Women are just jealous cat. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a woman, m h.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd rather hang out with a bunch of dudes

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<v Speaker 3>any day, any day.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather hang out with a bunch of This

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<v Speaker 1>is like I said, we are in Scottsdal, Arizona here,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like ground zero for I think the medical

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<v Speaker 1>term is hot chicks. Would you rather roll into somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of pretty women? Or would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>be the belle of the ball?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily think I'm bello of the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>I just have a lot more fun with my guy

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<v Speaker 3>friends because it's just so we're just there having a

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<v Speaker 3>good time.

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<v Speaker 2>You're there's no jealousy going on with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But aren't they all hitting on you in some way?

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<v Speaker 2>My guy friends? Yeah, no, they're my besties.

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<v Speaker 1>Well if I asked them, what would they say?

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<v Speaker 2>They're my besties?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of guys like I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to be friends with Crystal. She's so nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like there's nobody, well you think

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<v Speaker 4>they Some of them may have had crushes at one

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<v Speaker 4>time or another, but I just have so much fun

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<v Speaker 4>with them. Women, you get there and there's always just

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<v Speaker 4>an issue, especially if a guy's talking to you and

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<v Speaker 4>a guy's not talking to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It just becomes problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a gay posse?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and one of my best friends is gay.

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<v Speaker 1>That helps too, because you can get ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit that you're going to get from your girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get support and you look at with it

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<v Speaker 1>out the jealousy and the cattiness. They are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be supportive.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I show up with him, everyone thinks we're married,

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<v Speaker 2>so we can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I couldn't meet any guys because my gay best

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<v Speaker 3>friend is you know, a good looking older guy and

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<v Speaker 3>it's Scottsdale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea Likeley assumed we're together, so I you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, guys don't Guys will fight through that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he puts his gay meter right on too.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he likes guys straight or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, have you ever fought over the same guy? Never? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>The you dipped your tone to the pageant world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that just sort of a microcosm of this on

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<v Speaker 1>like a grander scale.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything they say about the pageant world is true. Those

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<v Speaker 3>women are out for you. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's like that. I think you're right in the pageant world.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very much so like that because I was new

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<v Speaker 3>to the pageant world and I experienced it firsthand. But

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it even happens in politics. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>our mayor is a female, and she's pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>She is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a good looking mayor here, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I see the woman on council just want to kill

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<v Speaker 3>her and take her place.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's because she's a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's hot, and she's hot, and I've heard people

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<v Speaker 1>call her dumb, bimbo, idiot a million times. She's smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>I know she is. There's a lot and most of

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<v Speaker 1>that comes from other women. When you watch. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in as we record this, we're in award season, Oscars,

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Globes, whatever you have. We're in early part of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. It's the women who are watching team and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh my god, what did she get done?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, she's so fat. Oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the women who are choosing the magazine covers. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>women who are judging other women on their appearance. The

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<v Speaker 1>men have a very wide spectrum of what they put

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<v Speaker 1>up with. It is the women being critical, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the women will blame that. This is what society's liked.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's judged on that. Not just by the dudes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, it's totally the women. I mean I look

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<v Speaker 3>at someone and I'm like, what does she have done?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? She lost weight, she gained weight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I try not to be too critical

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, I don't want to fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Into that, but I do have interest in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Chris Jenner, I'm well, I'm googling who are

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<v Speaker 3>a plastic surgeon is?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I want to use them. So we look at everything.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at all everything they have on too. We're

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<v Speaker 3>very like we check a woman from to her shoes, door,

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<v Speaker 3>her bag, doorr jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>So you notice, oh and you can judge. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>judge a woman's happiness by how she's presenting stuff? Or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes that's a cover upper, it's not related.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think something echoes either way.

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<v Speaker 3>I know people that have a shitload of money that

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<v Speaker 3>are miserable, And I know I have people have a

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<v Speaker 3>shitlttle money they're happy.

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<v Speaker 2>It can go either way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know the money isn't going to make you happy.

425
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<v Speaker 1>The money and a lot of times it just makes

426
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<v Speaker 1>people behavioral worse. But you know, then there's the struggle

427
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<v Speaker 1>on the Yeah, I mean, because you know the other

428
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<v Speaker 1>end of it. The people with money who are unhappy

429
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<v Speaker 1>generally were born into it. It's true, generally had it.

430
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<v Speaker 1>You know. I used to have this challenge with my mom,

431
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<v Speaker 1>who she basically like I was raised in a bowling

432
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<v Speaker 1>alley like she grew up poor. I grew up. I

433
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<v Speaker 1>don't know how wealthy we were, but there was no

434
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<v Speaker 1>worry about money for you know, fifteen year old Brian.

435
00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:12.720
<v Speaker 1>That was the least of our problem. There's no love

436
00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.079
<v Speaker 1>in the house, but there was there was money. So

437
00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.759
<v Speaker 1>it didn't register to me. It didn't register like needing

438
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<v Speaker 1>something or wanting to do. But to her, she never

439
00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>forgot it, like she never quite got over Oh yeah

440
00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:26.799
<v Speaker 1>that and what that feels like in what feeling looked

441
00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.839
<v Speaker 1>down upon does and all that kind of stuff, And

442
00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you know that should never be the scoreboard. It's every

443
00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.759
<v Speaker 1>that but the people who are born into it. Then

444
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<v Speaker 1>it's like, then, what part of success and life is

445
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<v Speaker 1>the struggle?

446
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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's tough because I'm opposite of your mom,

447
00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.519
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little. I didn't grow up with anything, but

448
00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I just always wanted it, and there's no chip on

449
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<v Speaker 3>my shoulder about not having it. I just don't want

450
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<v Speaker 3>to go back there because I remember the feeling.

451
00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:54.519
<v Speaker 2>But my kids same thing.

452
00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.559
<v Speaker 3>They grew up with everything, and they just they don't

453
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<v Speaker 3>know what it's like to not have food or to

454
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<v Speaker 3>be home homeless, right, yeah, And you can't.

455
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<v Speaker 2>You can't explain it, can't.

456
00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't role play it because they know

457
00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:06.920
<v Speaker 1>on Monday they'll be back in a nice bed.

458
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<v Speaker 3>I think it's character building, though, and I think maybe

459
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<v Speaker 3>it's one of the reasons I'm not like a lot

460
00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of the women here the hate. I mean, there's other

461
00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.519
<v Speaker 3>shit to be worrying about for me, like I never

462
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<v Speaker 3>want to be homeless.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be in a food line again.

464
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm so.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Happy just being me that I don't have time really

466
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<v Speaker 3>to be a mean girl to other bitches.

467
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<v Speaker 1>You know, you brought up mean girl. That's so funny.

468
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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna talk about that like mean girl's legit,

469
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<v Speaker 1>Like the girls are very tribal and it's very cliquy,

470
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<v Speaker 1>and it's very like it's a it's a it's a

471
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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing. The bring you bring up, the having money

472
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.680
<v Speaker 1>not having money again, it's not gonna buy happiness. Second,

473
00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and it sometimes takes the struggle away. But musicians, the

474
00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:54.640
<v Speaker 1>theory is that the musician's first album is always the

475
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<v Speaker 1>best one because it comes from the struggle. The struggle

476
00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.519
<v Speaker 1>builds creativity. The struggle bigs experience whatever. It's really hard.

477
00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Fifth album in when you're just recording it from a mansion,

478
00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you're not necessarily other than Taylor Sweest, she gets better

479
00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:09.519
<v Speaker 1>and will give her credit with that, but most are,

480
00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.519
<v Speaker 1>especially like the rappers, the ones who grew up in

481
00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the street and it was violent like that lends it stealth.

482
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<v Speaker 1>The creativity when you've kind of made it and you're

483
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit out of your world that you know

484
00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>for most of your life, it's a little distant. It's

485
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<v Speaker 1>hard to get from there.

486
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, plus you have a record.

487
00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Labe will breathing down your.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Throat, that's true. And yeah, the what do you when

489
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.720
<v Speaker 1>you meet another woman and you decide. I mean, you

490
00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.359
<v Speaker 1>have your daughters, So do you need to have girlfriends

491
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<v Speaker 1>in your life?

492
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't.

493
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<v Speaker 3>I think you know this, Like my best friends are

494
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<v Speaker 3>my daughters. I have friends that are more of acquaintances.

495
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<v Speaker 3>But it just it never seems. I mean I just

496
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.319
<v Speaker 3>got in trouble recently. I met a girlfriend and her

497
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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend and he was talking to me too long and

498
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<v Speaker 3>they got in a fight, and I'm like, dude, you

499
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<v Speaker 3>know me, like, I have no interest in your First

500
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<v Speaker 3>of all, I'm five to ten. He was like five

501
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.799
<v Speaker 3>to four. Secondly, and I should say, firstly, he's.

502
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<v Speaker 2>With my friend. In a million years, I would never

503
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<v Speaker 2>look at him like that.

504
00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:14.920
<v Speaker 3>They got in a big fight because he was giving

505
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<v Speaker 3>me too much attention, and I was just getting to

506
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<v Speaker 3>know the guy because I had heard all about him.

507
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<v Speaker 3>But it was our first meeting. So it's just like,

508
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<v Speaker 3>you can have good friends and it can still all

509
00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:24.920
<v Speaker 3>go to shit. It's just not worth it.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Were you always five ten? I mean when you like,

511
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<v Speaker 1>were you tall at twelve?

512
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've always been the tallest girl.

513
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you need a tall guy?

514
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<v Speaker 3>You know? I did for a second, and then I

515
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.279
<v Speaker 3>went for the nice guy, and the nice guys were

516
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<v Speaker 3>always I mean, my ex.

517
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<v Speaker 1>Is five ten, Okay, that's not short.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Well compared to put some heels on me.

519
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<v Speaker 1>Do you know a percentage of manner six feet?

520
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<v Speaker 3>You know what I think over six foot one? I

521
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.759
<v Speaker 3>think it's like, is it like two three percent.

522
00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Of the population it's over six feet? Oh, it's crazy,

523
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:59.160
<v Speaker 1>which I'm barely now. I'm five eleven three quarters, but

524
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<v Speaker 1>I can round up. My driver's license is six feet

525
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.839
<v Speaker 1>is fourteen percent. So whenever six to two is like

526
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<v Speaker 1>seven so. And the problem with being a tall girl

527
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of guys for six two don't want

528
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<v Speaker 1>to date because the benefit of being six two six

529
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>threes you get to feel six two six three with

530
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<v Speaker 1>the girls five to four girls five to ten puts

531
00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the lubitons on and she's six' one. He doesn't feel

532
00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that great anymore. It's hard to dude, I know. But

533
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.319
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the short guys are the ones that are like, listen,

534
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm shorter than anybody. I'm I'm gonna go for that.

535
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:33.839
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you can stand on your wallet and

536
00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.640
<v Speaker 1>be a little ballsy. But a lot of the shorter

537
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<v Speaker 1>men who I do always have some sympathy for because

538
00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I was five forard till I was a senior in

539
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>high school, so I stared into the abyss. They're just like, listen,

540
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.839
<v Speaker 1>this is the deal. I'm gonna ask her out and

541
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.279
<v Speaker 1>see what happens. And you know there's an advantage of that.

542
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, the short ones tend to like me.

543
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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because you're right, the six one, six two,

544
00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.359
<v Speaker 3>they like the little spinners, the little hun yeah, right,

545
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.359
<v Speaker 3>and then the little guy, you know, the little five

546
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:06.359
<v Speaker 3>six guys.

547
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, they're like, fuck it, I'm shorter than her.

548
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Are to go for it.

549
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna and if they're gonna go for it, they're

550
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:12.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna go for it.

551
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Right.

552
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's cute. It's cute, but it still won't work.

553
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean five, but you were so you were really

554
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>tall and growing up I was you weren't one of

555
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>those like gross spurred people, nineteen.

556
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:23.799
<v Speaker 2>And a giant girl.

557
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's tough. Now, the upside of that is you

558
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.039
<v Speaker 1>gain five pounds and nobody notices that's true. Five to one.

559
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 1>You gave five pounds.

560
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<v Speaker 2>It's rough, yo, gosh, it's really well.

561
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<v Speaker 3>My daughter, my oldest daughter, the little blonde, she's beautiful,

562
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.240
<v Speaker 3>but she's five to three and she gains a few

563
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:47.039
<v Speaker 3>pounds and you see it. It is nice spreading it out.

564
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I'll eat that cake. It'll go to my elbows.

565
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Nobody will notice. Yeah, exactly what can girls do better

566
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to stop this seve cattiness? Yeah, don't write me, by

567
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the way and say it's not it's a fucking thing.

568
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>So there's no one that's gonna say that's not a thing.

569
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of women who pretend like you

570
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know me and my friends. I think I know

571
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:08.039
<v Speaker 1>better than you do.

572
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're I'm a woman, and I am

573
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 3>going to agree with you that women are catty, and

574
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.680
<v Speaker 3>it's the most catty ones.

575
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Are the most insecure.

576
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Though. I think I agree with you. I I people

577
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>say to me all the time, like, you don't know

578
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>the way a woman thinks because you're not a woman.

579
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you only know the way you think, and

580
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:30.319
<v Speaker 1>then they go, well, no, I know that. My friends think.

581
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't think you do. I don't think

582
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 1>you do, because when it gets right down to it,

583
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure she's as right or die as you think.

584
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not sure you need that either. Like I

585
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>think you should find happiness in yourself, find happiness in

586
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>your relationship, find happiness in your family, and then like

587
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 1>the next ring out can be your bridesmaids.

588
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<v Speaker 2>One percent. I don't think any woman is right or die.

589
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Except for I mean, you made a good point. There

590
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 3>are some moms out there, you know.

591
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm really close with my kids. We're definitely right or dies.

592
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 3>But besides that, I wouldn't trust another woman with any anything.

593
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Did you have weddings I did. Did you have bridesmaids?

594
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I didn't.

595
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't.

596
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I have my kids in my wedding.

597
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 1>We just were not the first one.

598
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Even the first one we were. We didn't have I mean,

599
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:19.799
<v Speaker 3>we didn't have enough money even for a wedding rate.

600
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, because I ask women this, I go and they're like, oh,

601
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I love my girlfriends or whatever. Like show me your

602
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 1>wedding photo and tell me how many of those are

603
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 1>you still friends with. You know, sometimes you're closer to

604
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 1>your college friends or your sorority sisters because you only

605
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>see them once in a while. You're not kind of

606
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you moved away, you're not in college anymore. It's a

607
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 1>little and you have memories of when everything was fine.

608
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Even though that's sorority scenes about it as a bit

609
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>as they get it's your day to day circle. The

610
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.519
<v Speaker 1>women on the cul de Sac, the people in that,

611
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the ones you kind of got to watch.

612
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh the cul de Sac.

613
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.759
<v Speaker 3>I live up in, you know, a little gated community

614
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 3>in DC Ranch. And there's even there's mean moms in

615
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<v Speaker 3>the group of I mean, I'm older, you know, I'm

616
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:01.000
<v Speaker 3>in my fifties.

617
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 1>You know this.

618
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 2>But those moms with.

619
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Toddlers and young schoolers. Man, they're the head of the

620
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 3>mean girls.

621
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>They have their little.

622
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Groups and they exclude I watched they exclude.

623
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Some of the moms purposely. They're mean little things.

624
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>There's cattiness in the car line. Oh yeah, and the

625
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>car line used to not be a thing. The car

626
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>line is a real thing now. Like nobody takes a

627
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 1>bus anymore.

628
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, nobody takes a bus. I mean, I've got

629
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:30.359
<v Speaker 3>four kids. Nobody kids get rides. Why because we're a

630
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.400
<v Speaker 3>privileged society.

631
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>But is that better? I mean, I think they're like

632
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the school bus is lord the flies, Like it's better

633
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>societally if the kids ride the bus or walk to

634
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 1>school or ride their bike. You know, you're old enough

635
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to ride a bike.

636
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 3>I think the lack of parenting now you just don't

637
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 3>know who your kids sitting with.

638
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>You didn't know then, I know.

639
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 2>But I think the internet has been nothing but shit

640
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>for a.

641
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Kid because it teaches them to do bad things. And

642
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>what it does a lot of times is you can

643
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>learn on TikTok how to manipulate your parents.

644
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you remember when we were kids, we were riding

645
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 2>our bikes all day.

646
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we could just ride a school and we had

647
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to be home at a certain time. Mom.

648
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever see any kids riding bikes anymore?

649
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't need to be selling.

650
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But remember the mongoose, different bikes.

651
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's not more dangerous now, there's just more

652
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 1>sharing of dangerous stories. Now there's more dateline.

653
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I think that's where you know, the internet

654
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 3>has helped spawn the mean girl because everybody I follow

655
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 3>on my Instagram or TikTok, it's beautiful women. It's them buying,

656
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 3>going on shopping sprees.

657
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 2>It's shopping. You know, it's all this craziness.

658
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>And it's funny because we were talking about Bethany Frankel

659
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 3>earlier and she's really on TikTok. I don't know if

660
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 3>you know that, Like she probably posts ten to day.

661
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.039
<v Speaker 3>She's got three four million followers whatever. She gets so

662
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 3>much hate in her comments, and I think to myself,

663
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>she's not doing anything wrong. She's nice in the videos,

664
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 3>and they just rip her apart, and I'm like, why

665
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 3>are you watching her?

666
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>You've got to be able to take it, Like, you

667
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 1>got to be able in the public, like because a

668
00:28:55.640 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 1>lot of people who uh are in the public spotlight

669
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and didn't necessarily grow up that way. You become a

670
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>reality star on the Bachelor you might have or even

671
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>a podcaster. We have a lot of podcasters that roll

672
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 1>through these studios and they could get one hundred positive

673
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 1>reviews or comments, and they'll get one comment and they're like,

674
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't do this anymore. It really affects them. And

675
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit human nature. But it's a lot.

676
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I did a whole show a couple years ago. I

677
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's ready to do this again, where all I

678
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 1>did was read bad reviews. I fucking loved it, Like

679
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

680
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

681
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 3>So I'm a little dudish though, Yeah, I love it.

682
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 3>Haters make me I'm like, maybe we want to be

683
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 3>more successful.

684
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, you're wrong, but I'm glad to hear

685
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>you out. And it's the Great Love Debate. We're not

686
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>supposed to agree here, but a lot of people are

687
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 1>like one bad review or one A lot of women

688
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 1>have stopped podcasting because they don't because there's now video involved,

689
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the Great Love Debate, find hy They

690
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have to compete with that. They don't

691
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>want to have to do that at a lot of

692
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>people loved it wasn't so bad here in Arizona. Were

693
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>you in Arizona during COVID times?

694
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 3>You were?

695
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't so bad here, But in the rest a

696
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of the country people loved the lockdown because it

697
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>was the great equalizer. Nobody was getting too far ahead

698
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 1>of you, nobody was having too much fun, nobody was

699
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 1>necessarily dating people. A lot of people wanted that go

700
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 1>on forever.

701
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Yeah, I mean I wasn't one of them,

702
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>but yeah.

703
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wasn't one of them either, but a lot

704
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>of people were. I could just say, They're like, oh,

705
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>we need to stay down, lock down another couple of

706
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>years because nobody was getting no you were just right

707
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>with everybody else. And that was a sucky, sucky time.

708
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I hated it. I needed to get out.

709
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I hated it too. It wasn't terrible here. Schools were

710
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 1>open here most of the time, right, Yeah.

711
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if the click the mean girl stuff was

712
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>worse or better during COVID.

713
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>It was better because people were just kind of fake

714
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 1>checking in with each other. They were like, yeah, I

715
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>hope you're all doing it. Stay safe.

716
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>And you spent so much time with your family.

717
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people got divorced, you know, because they

718
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>had to spend time with their husbands.

719
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

720
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not sure divorce right, but I'm not sure.

721
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>A lot of women, you know, want to tell their

722
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 1>advise their friend to get divorced. They're like, oh, you

723
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 1>can work, because they don't necessarily want them back out

724
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>there if they're stuck in their own miserable marriage. There's

725
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that going on, though. It's always the

726
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>first one of the group who gets divorced. The rest

727
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 1>of the groups like, fuck, she made it over the wall.

728
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know, you're right. You're right.

729
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 3>It's really interesting because you everybody has a divorced friend

730
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 3>is just in a miserable relationship and you all talk

731
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>about her. Yeah, watch the train, the car wreck. Yeah,

732
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I know, Yeah, it's crazy.

733
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Women are we're just not nice.

734
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>You're not nice and that's the dairy little say. But

735
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>men are assholes. That's a little bit different than not nice.

736
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think you're oddly more in touch than

737
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>most women.

738
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. I think I grew up with

739
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>two sisters and I thought that. I'm like, I know

740
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 1>what the dudes know. If I study the mindset of

741
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the women, maybe I'll get keys to the kingdom. So

742
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I know like five percent of what there is to know,

743
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 1>but I know more than most because I'm curious about it.

744
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you guys are very complicated creatures, and I

745
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 1>think the girl girl dynamic is just I'm like, can

746
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>we even have this conversation out loud? And you know,

747
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this podcast for eleven years and I

748
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.599
<v Speaker 1>don't think I've done an episode on this, but I

749
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>always kind of hint at it, like I don't think

750
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>she is your friend. I don't think she is rooting

751
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 1>for you. I don't think this is what you think

752
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 1>it is. So you know, if you're one of the

753
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you know two percent out there, and you have this

754
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 1>group of friends and you've been together since you were

755
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 1>three years old and you're all friends. I wonder why

756
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't let any other girls into the group.

757
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's the other thing. Yeah, girls do not let

758
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>girls into the group. You know. Moving here from Washington,

759
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 3>I met I would in every group. I think there's

760
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 3>one or two nice girls. And I have been involved

761
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 3>in all the different groups. The married Scottsdale, rich, rich wife,

762
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 3>and I'll.

763
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Tell you, man, they were territorial bitches. Would not let

764
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>me in. They were all they were the ones that

765
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>served on the harp ball.

766
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there could be a real House West franchise.

767
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 3>There could, and they a couple of them in the

768
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 3>group were just so sweet to me. But the rest

769
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 3>of them, the overly plastic blonde.

770
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 2>With the big, big lips, she was always the worst

771
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to me. Or the fatter brunette.

772
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Man, they made my life hard and I was just like,

773
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 3>this just isn't even worse. They do not let you in.

774
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a bar down the street called the

775
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Fatter Brunette.

776
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I love that, one of those. But then I have

777
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>single friends too, and same thing. You know they don't.

778
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>It's hard getting into any female group.

779
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 3>They're so territorial, and it is I'm more the merrier

780
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of girl.

781
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, ye are you?

782
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

783
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 1>You just want a group of.

784
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Chicks, I mean, chicks, dudes, whatever.

785
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

786
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I think the more friends.

787
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>You because you have because you're big on is TikTok

788
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 1>your biggest one the socials.

789
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, TikTok's and when I do the most, And I

790
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 3>mean I think I'm what has grown.

791
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I've grown.

792
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like fifty five sixty percent men, but I'm almost

793
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 3>fifty percent women.

794
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>But it took a while to get that.

795
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean when you started with me or oh gosh,

796
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like ninety percent men. Women do not support

797
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 3>attractive females.

798
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 2>And I've got a lot of hate from women. I

799
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>still do.

800
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 3>I still get a lot of hate from women, you know,

801
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.119
<v Speaker 3>just women saying you're fifty one, what are you doing

802
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 3>on TikTok?

803
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 2>You're a loser. I mean, I don't get that from men.

804
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>No, they're grateful that you're there.

805
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, They're like, you're so much fun. You're a ray

806
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 2>of sunshine.

807
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 3>It's nice just to see what's going on in your life.

808
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 3>And the women are just who. I get a lot

809
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 3>of mean comment, not a lot, but I get to.

810
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Do fair share. For do you get dress your age?

811
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I do dress my age.

812
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>No, you're pretty good. You know me.

813
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty conservative. But I do get a lot of hate.

814
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.480
<v Speaker 3>And then when I look at the woman, I'm like,

815
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I look like you. I wouldn't be on TikTok either.

816
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 3>See there's the petty side, the bitchy side coming out right,

817
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 3>but I never get it from.

818
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, well put together women.

819
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 3>So I would say the meanest woman for me is,

820
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, the heavier one that's super insecure.

821
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Me and you have something in common. Last year we

822
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>both had cancer battles. I guess we did. You came

823
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 1>out of it like, you look pretty good. I look

824
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, you know. People, I'm like, I didn't have

825
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>face cancer, but it's still bad. A lot of people

826
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 1>were like, well, you look fine, so you must be fine.

827
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>And so a lot of people dismiss it what it

828
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>is or we have to go through because unless you

829
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 1>look a certain way, you know, it was really weird.

830
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I didn't have chemo. I didn't. I had surgery,

831
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't have it like it wasn't an affect

832
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>my hair. But people are like, well, you don't look sick.

833
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is that supposed to look like? I

834
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 1>don't think I want to look sick and people look sick.

835
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Heart goes out to you or whatever. But I'm like,

836
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>is this how you're judging my What is this how

837
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 1>you're diagnosing me?

838
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>See, I didn't.

839
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 3>I was pretty private about my can sir, my cancer.

840
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean I could have died from it for sure.

841
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>It was real cancer.

842
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 3>It was real cancer, and I had major, major surgery.

843
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I was in the hospital for seven days, which these days,

844
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 3>that's a long time.

845
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was supposed to be in the sevent day.

846
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I just wouldn't take it.

847
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm like, I was actually supposed to be in longer.

848
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 3>But I said, look right, well we got in a fight.

849
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I need to go. I'm dying in

850
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>this place. But I do think women are different than men.

851
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I know a lot of women that when they got cancer,

852
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>they broadcasted over all social media channels. It was cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer.

853
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 3>So it was like a tension mechanism for.

854
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Him and for me.

855
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 3>I just didn't want anyone to know guys are different.

856
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Though it's like, yeah, I've got.

857
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>No I went a long time before I even said

858
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 1>it on the podcast, and then people treat you differently

859
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>you're a cancer guy, and I didn't like that. I

860
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>was really uncomfortable with that because I could hear the

861
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>whispers and people were like it, see okay, I see okay,

862
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 1>it looks okay. Is that all right? Like it became

863
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the defining characteristic of me?

864
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 2>And I do remember when you were at cancer It's

865
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>like what, yeah, I do? Because did you hear about that?

866
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

867
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>People, it's all anybody would talk It was like my

868
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 1>defining characteristic. And it was just kind of like, this

869
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>is why I wouldn't be around a little bit. Yeah

870
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 1>where I wasn't paying a little grumpy or whatever, but

871
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it's all anybody talked about. And some of it was

872
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 1>like fuck him, good. I hope you do.

873
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>You think you got more from the guys the girls were, you.

874
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Know, I got a few. I don't know. I'm not

875
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 1>sure everybody's rooting for me, but I did have more

876
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>well wishers than I ever thought was possible. Like I

877
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe.

878
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>How good people great.

879
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know about that, but it was humbling,

880
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of it was it defined me. My

881
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>health situation was all anybody and even to this day,

882
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>you know I had cancer was in my ribcage. I've

883
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>talked about this before, hugging. When you when you lose

884
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the ability to hug, Yeah, you don't think about that

885
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>at a time, but when you see somebody and you

886
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>can't really do because it would hurt so bad, it

887
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 1>really does affect. Then you're not bonding acquaintances, strangers, people

888
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, like there's a little bit of a distance.

889
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't like the distance. And for somebody who's

890
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 1>introverted and always likes distance, I was surprised that that

891
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>bothered me.

892
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 3>That is so I had a different situation because I

893
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 3>just kept it on the down low because you know,

894
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, coming from where I came from, I never

895
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I've just I saw too many women, women that just

896
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 3>spouted all over social media like every day.

897
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 2>It was such a downer.

898
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 3>I never wanted to be a downer because you know,

899
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 3>as soon as they find out you have cancer.

900
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Like oh yeah, oh.

901
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, and this was like the whole the whole

902
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 3>interaction changes, and so I just didn't want that uncomfortableness

903
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I know, all right. Your yours was tough though, because yours,

904
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean you were down down.

905
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm down for a while, I know, Yet I press on.

906
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I kept doing, I kept doing the show.

907
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You look good, bruh, I do.

908
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't lose my hair, my gray hair. As you said.

909
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, my license says brown and you're like, it's

910
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>not fucking brown. Hasn't been brown a long time.

911
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 2>There's no brown, I think, I think, Grace.

912
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I know, but you're a little older. Well, well you're

913
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 1>not twenty four.

914
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not twenty four anymore.

915
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 3>But that Richard gear Gray that you're polland I mean

916
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 3>you're good. You're a good looking guy.

917
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>You know this, Brian, I do.

918
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>My mother told me every day. So there you go.

919
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>All right. Last time you were on the podcast, we

920
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>played something called worst date or first date. You remember

921
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that I did, and I believe you gave us a

922
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 1>first date? Was it a worst date? What did you

923
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>give us?

924
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>What did I care?

925
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. You got to do it again because

926
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to bet that you have some shitty dates

927
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>or some good dates. And you I remember after the

928
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 1>show ended, You're like, oh shit, I had another one.

929
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I should have told. So you get another crack at

930
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the apple. Worst date or first date I'll do.

931
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember I did a first date. I remember, and

932
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>it was of course, it.

933
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Was so freaking it was really over the top.

934
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 2>It was materialistic.

935
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they took me for Lois Tom.

936
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember that. Probably what about you? You go, first

937
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 2>worst date?

938
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Done this show before? This is? Everybody knows my worst date.

939
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 3>You know. I think I'm thinking of my worst date,

940
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 3>and I would say my worst date.

941
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 2>It's so stupid. It's so stupid. But it was when

942
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I was younger. That's the thing. I've been so blessed.

943
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I go.

944
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty picky on who I go out with, Brian,

945
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 3>so most of my dates have been fabulous.

946
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I think I said.

947
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>This, how do you how do you scream them?

948
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Because I just don't go out the first time they

949
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 2>asked me. They have to be my friend. I have

950
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 2>to get to know.

951
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Them a little.

952
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Oh yeah, I'm not just I am not

953
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>going to be stuck. I learned that early on.

954
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>If you say used to a guy you barely know,

955
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 3>and you're stuck at a date for two to three hours,

956
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 3>that is my worst way.

957
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>We used to date that way, I don't. We'd be

958
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>drunk two am, you'd write your number on a napkin.

959
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>We'll call you up, we'd pick you up, we would

960
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 1>ask you about that was a date.

961
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you could get stuck.

962
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.719
<v Speaker 3>I would say, those are my worst dates when I'm

963
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 3>stuck with some guy.

964
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Where Like, my worst date is.

965
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 3>I got stuck with a guy before I started kind

966
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 3>of monitoring it.

967
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>The whole time we talk about his ex wife.

968
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like the whole time. It shows he's still

969
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>not over her and angry with her.

970
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 3>You should never talk about You should do a you

971
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 3>should do a whole podcast on things to do and

972
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 3>not do on a date, because you should never talk

973
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 3>about your X on the first day.

974
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't even come off.

975
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Here's the question I ask though about if somebody tells

976
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 1>me they're divorced. I don't say why'd you get divorced?

977
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, when did you know it wasn't gonna last forever? Well,

978
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and I'm shocked at how often it's when he asked

979
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 1>the wedding night, that's crazy, And I'm like, how long

980
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you're married? Seventeen years? Well, you knew on the wedding

981
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>night it was gonna last forever.

982
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I thought I wouldn't date that person. I wouldn't if

983
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 3>any knew on the wedding night wasn't gonna happen. I

984
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 3>have no respect for you.

985
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, but it's tough to pull. I told you.

986
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>We're starting a podcast called cold Feet, and it's about

987
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 1>women who call off, not call off engagements, call off

988
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 1>with wedding.

989
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

990
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 1>It's really hard to do. Once everybody's been inviting the

991
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>deposits down, it's really hard to do. So that's a

992
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit easier to say. And a lot of people

993
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 1>are like, maybe it'll get better and I'll spend two years,

994
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and then you have a kid and you're like, well,

995
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 1>le's see, and then you're stuck till the kid graduates

996
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>high school. You know.

997
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>But gosh, if you know on the wedding night, I

998
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

999
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's brutal. It's got to be the worst night

1000
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 1>of your life.

1001
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But you spent seventeen years with them.

1002
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but a lot of times for the woman,

1003
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the wedding night is the destination. And to be fair

1004
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to the men, you know, the women's like I want

1005
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 1>the house, the dog, the white pick offense he's not

1006
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>even on that list. Yeah, that's true for him. He

1007
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>asks you to marry him because he thinks you're gonna

1008
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna spend the rest of his life with you.

1009
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 1>The women a lot of times are like, he'll be

1010
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>a good father. He checks a lot of boxes. It's

1011
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a little less romantic than you think. All right, this

1012
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 1>was great. Tell everybody how they can find you and

1013
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 1>how to be better girlfriends.

1014
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 3>I am mom at Unapologetic Crystal on TikTok.

1015
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>I do have a bunch of fake accounts.

1016
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 3>On there, but I'm Burners Burners and they're connect they're

1017
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 3>contacting people, so ignore those and then hopefully I'm gonna

1018
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 3>have Unapologetic Me podcast here coming up soon.

1019
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Thank you. This was good as far

1020
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 1>as us like, share, follow, Please review this podcast after

1021
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 1>five hundred and god knows how many episodes, your reviews

1022
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>still mean a lot in the podcasting ecosystem. Shoot me

1023
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>an email Great Love Debate at gmail dot com. If

1024
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you've got questions, thoughts, complaints, or you're gonna say my

1025
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>friends are the best. I don't believe you, but send

1026
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>it anyway. Go to Great Lovedebate dot com. I know

1027
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I've been sort of circling the drain on this. I

1028
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 1>do feel better. I feel better. At the very least,

1029
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>we are doing the Great Love to Boat. We are

1030
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>finally doing the cruise for you people, the dating highjinks

1031
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>on the high Seas. We're gonna do live show on

1032
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>a boat. Details coming. It's leaving from Florida, so you'll

1033
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>have to get your ass to Florida. I may do

1034
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.679
<v Speaker 1>some other shows I get asked. We'll see write a

1035
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>bigger check, and I'll do a bigger show because, as

1036
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 1>always at the Great Love Debate, we never stop making love.

1037
00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:04.480
<v Speaker 1>See you next time. The Great Love Debate. It's the

1038
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<v Speaker 1>Great Love Debate

1039
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<v Speaker 2>The Great Love Debate, It's the Great Love to be
