Speaker 1: It's nice eyes, Dan Ray, I'm going crazy. Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, as I indicated, if you wanted to continue to
Speaker 2: talk about the Tanya Fernandez Anderson situation, You're more than
Speaker 2: welcome six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We had
Speaker 2: some interesting calls last hour on that topic. A lot
Speaker 2: of emotion involved. Bill. You're always welcome to call Jack.
Speaker 2: You're always welcome to run whatever sociological theories you want. Uh.
Speaker 2: You you're a gentleman, so uh. And of course rashid
Speaker 2: needless to say. And all the callers are more than
Speaker 2: welcome So if you'd like to jump on board on that, fine,
Speaker 2: we can can we can continue on that. What I
Speaker 2: wanted to do was play today. There was an outburst
Speaker 2: earlier today when the individual who is now charged with
Speaker 2: the murder of Brian Thompson, Luigi Mangioni. A lot coming
Speaker 2: out on this guy, wealthy family in Maryland, turned out
Speaker 2: to be a stone cold killer. So when he was
Speaker 2: arrested yesterday, he apparently was fairly demure, I guess at
Speaker 2: one point when they asked him when he was spotted
Speaker 2: at the McDonald's in Altoona. I think all of you
Speaker 2: know the story by now, and whether he was spotted
Speaker 2: initially buy an employee or another customer. The employee, as
Speaker 2: I understand, that, called the local police department, who showed up.
Speaker 2: They could have looked at it and said, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: the guy's at McDonald's, and maybe they could have taken
Speaker 2: their time. They went down there fairly quickly. They checked
Speaker 2: him out and they said, hey, this looks like the guy,
Speaker 2: and they asked him, have you been to New York lately?
Speaker 2: And apparently the guy started to shake, which was a
Speaker 2: bit of a tell. Uh. He was charged with giving
Speaker 2: false information to a police officer that they went through
Speaker 2: his backpack, they found what they think might actually be
Speaker 2: the murder weapon. They found a manifesto, the clothes that
Speaker 2: he had were similar to what he had in New York,
Speaker 2: on and on and on. So today he was taken
Speaker 2: for a court hearing to court in Altoona, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this guy, who we haven't heard a
Speaker 2: lot from, he's fighting and struggling. Most people when you
Speaker 2: see them being paraded in a court in handcuffs, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if he was shackled at his ankles
Speaker 2: or not. But he he saw the media and he
Speaker 2: lit it up and he started yelling and screaming. This
Speaker 2: is going to be well. He clearly is someone who
Speaker 2: wants to get his message out. And this is brief,
Speaker 2: but this is what he was, what he sounded like
Speaker 2: this afternoon. If you've seen the video, you know what
Speaker 2: the sound is like. If you haven't seen the video,
Speaker 2: here's at least the audio on radio, Go ahead, rob boy.
Speaker 2: They moved him in pretty quickly. I mean they were
Speaker 2: not going to give him a chance to do a
Speaker 2: quick news availability, as we would say. This guy has
Speaker 2: what a fascinating study. I have to think there were
Speaker 2: more people involved in this. I don't know, I'm just
Speaker 2: speculating here. They apparently he apparently had eight thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in cash US cash and a couple of thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in euros. And again, all of this is coming out
Speaker 2: from various and sundry sources. I would love to hear
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? I mean, clearly this
Speaker 2: guy's he enjoys the presumption of innocence. But there's no
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that he did it. Okay, you
Speaker 2: can call me that, I'm I'm being insensitive there. Now,
Speaker 2: this guy stake this guy out, he knew where he was,
Speaker 2: did he have any inside information? There's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff to be to be sorted out here, and I
Speaker 2: think that I don't believe there's a death penalty in
Speaker 2: New York. It's interesting. Now let him go. Alvin Bragg
Speaker 2: will be the DA I guess who would bring the
Speaker 2: murder charge against him. But what a coward? I mean, Look,
Speaker 2: I have no idea what his gripe was. There's nothing
Speaker 2: that could justify what he did. Sixty six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine thirty. Love to get your reaction to his demeanor today.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be your traditional who's going to
Speaker 2: file into court all hill of a lawyer, who's going
Speaker 2: to tell him you got to start, you got to
Speaker 2: behave in court. But I don't think so. I think
Speaker 2: this guy, this guy is imbued with a passion. Uh.
Speaker 2: He sees it as his mission in life. He wrote fairly.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a glowing review of of a writing
Speaker 2: by Ted Kazinski, but he was very admiring of Kazinski's intellect.
Speaker 2: This is again, there were so many there were so
Speaker 2: many ways to talk about this case. You. You could
Speaker 2: just take the conversation which every way you want. The
Speaker 2: only lines that we're open right now is six, one, seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: ten thirty back on nights Side. We'll open emptyse calls
Speaker 2: right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep rolling here to go to Sandy in
Speaker 2: West Roxbury first to get us going. Sandy, how are
Speaker 2: you tonight?
Speaker 3: Very well?
Speaker 4: How are you doing great?
Speaker 2: What's your take on? You can weigh in on whatever
Speaker 2: topic you want? Which one are you calling on?
Speaker 5: Both?
Speaker 6: If I could?
Speaker 3: Okay, First, as Tom frim Luigi, I'm going to totally
Speaker 3: disagree with you. I think that he had a consistent
Speaker 3: personality up until about a year ago, and I guess
Speaker 3: he began complaining of all kinds of pains and then
Speaker 3: he disappeared, and then he came back a totally different person.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but they
Speaker 3: should check it out for some kind of I know,
Speaker 3: when people get brain tumors, their personality change. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: their personality has changed desperately, And it just sounds to
Speaker 3: me like as opposed to Tanya who miss friend Andy's Anderson.
Speaker 3: I want polite, but you know, she's always been pushing
Speaker 3: the envelope there, always does things that are questionable. She
Speaker 3: hasn't done anything out of her personality. And I think
Speaker 3: this guy Beligi and I could be totally wrong, but
Speaker 3: I think he just as confused as you are. I
Speaker 3: don't think he knows who he is. I don't think
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing. I think there's a biological
Speaker 3: cause for it, some kind of brain tumor or something.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, that would be an interesting defense
Speaker 2: if indeed they were able to define that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, lack of consistencies, have a
Speaker 3: brain tumor, I don't know. Did they have a look
Speaker 3: for him?
Speaker 2: But you know, he was an odd ball and he
Speaker 2: sent down bombs.
Speaker 3: But he was always an odd lall that's different, and
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking to keep it in mind. Uh, to
Speaker 2: be really honest with you, Sandy, I think it's an
Speaker 2: interesting theory, and I'm not ready to buy it at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see apparently checking out for that.
Speaker 2: I read somewhere that when he and again a lot
Speaker 2: of this stuff you got to sort of weed weed
Speaker 2: it out. I read somewhere that he uh in Hawaii,
Speaker 2: was a surfer and that he had a surfing accident.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if that's true, and that and
Speaker 2: that was the cause of his back problems. Uh, And
Speaker 2: it sounds as if he's had some back surgeries. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously pain can can can be very terrible, can be terrible,
Speaker 2: terrible thing you have to deal with. But it would
Speaker 2: be much more serious, as you say, if it was
Speaker 2: some sort of a brain tumor or something like that.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know. Again, I'm just guessing,
Speaker 3: But it's the lack of consistency.
Speaker 2: That really I guess, my guess, it's only a guess.
Speaker 2: He's a spoiled brat. He grew up comfortable answers, and
Speaker 2: he came to he had some sort of a beef
Speaker 2: with the insurance companies, and all of a sudden it's
Speaker 2: it's it's corporate America that is the problem.
Speaker 3: So well, you absolutely could be right, but it just
Speaker 3: seems to me it's such a drastic change in personality.
Speaker 3: At least it's as.
Speaker 2: Lord, all right, give us your quick take on Tanya
Speaker 2: Frin Andres Anderson. Should she resign? Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, I mean she's always put the
Speaker 3: envelope always and she you know, she's a troublemaker. I
Speaker 3: mean she has them from day one. Remember when she
Speaker 3: had all those counselors go to the steakhouse or something
Speaker 3: to reward the students for standing up for what they believe,
Speaker 3: and then it turned out, you know, because they hated
Speaker 3: it is real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was I think. I think that was
Speaker 2: at City Hall. She got some sort of a residence.
Speaker 3: Whatever it was. Of course I blamed the councilors too.
Speaker 3: They should have found out what they were going for.
Speaker 3: They didn't even bother the ass I mean.
Speaker 2: But again it's the city councilors. I mean we're not
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Well, can I say, you know, Timmy Anderson, I mean
Speaker 3: do you know about her husband? Do you know that
Speaker 3: he's in prison for life of first degree murder?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I just think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that she married the husband after and
Speaker 2: again I think I don't think that they were They
Speaker 2: were married before the incident. I mean happened in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand or two thousand and four, so it's
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, and it might have been that she
Speaker 2: fell in love with him subsequent to his conviction. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know the timmy of it, and
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly interested. But they apparently are married.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm crazy. I mean the people who elected her
Speaker 3: I must feel at you. Does you know that she's
Speaker 3: the marginalized and peenalived? And you know and you never
Speaker 3: got a break and you know, and if you give
Speaker 3: her a break, and what did you.
Speaker 1: Do with that?
Speaker 3: She breaks it?
Speaker 2: You got it? You got it? Yeah, Sandy, always great
Speaker 2: to you, your voice, happy Honikah. I believe you. Celebrate Hanukkah.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. Thank you very much, and marry Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3: You in a happy and healthy new year.
Speaker 2: And right back at you, Thanks Sandy. Happy New Year
Speaker 2: to you as well. Thank you so much. Talk to
Speaker 2: you soon. Six one seven thirty triple eight nine nine
Speaker 2: ten thirty or six one seven nine nine three one
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Oh, those those two lines are full at
Speaker 2: the moment. Let me go next to Debbie and Mansfield.
Speaker 2: Debbie next on Nightsacer right ahead?
Speaker 7: Ye hi, Debbie, less of that first time caller, can
Speaker 7: you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, first time call get along the appreciate it would
Speaker 2: subject are you look at a talk on here?
Speaker 6: Go right ahead subjects?
Speaker 7: But I might want to put my two cents in
Speaker 7: about this kid that comes from the rich family and
Speaker 7: just snapped. And I'm in recovery. I've been sober about
Speaker 7: fifteen years, and I feel like this kid snapped because
Speaker 7: he had his back pain. He started getting some pain medication.
Speaker 7: And the way the health insurance works is, you know,
Speaker 7: you only get so much and then they cut you
Speaker 7: off and then you gotta follow the rules. And that's
Speaker 7: how I got addicted to drugs. And it gets you
Speaker 7: so angry because you want those painkillers so bad. Because
Speaker 7: you're addicted to them, you almost will do anything to
Speaker 7: get them. And I feel like that's what this kid did. Plus,
Speaker 7: I think he was a spoiled brat, came from money
Speaker 7: and was getting whatever he wanted all the time. And
Speaker 7: this is the first time in his life he got
Speaker 7: denied something through the healthcare and took it out, looked
Speaker 7: up the CEO, and ate it personal, which you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think, Debbie, there's a lot to
Speaker 2: what you suggest, and I think that if that is true,
Speaker 2: I think all of it is going to come out,
Speaker 2: uh in file, assuming that, Look, this guy's facing minimum
Speaker 2: of life in prison. I don't think there's a death
Speaker 2: penalty in New York State.
Speaker 7: And I think, but you know, I believe everybody can
Speaker 7: get recovered, and he's going to have maybe I'm thinking
Speaker 7: maybe it will.
Speaker 2: Be an insanity defense, and the insanity could have been
Speaker 2: brought on by this. Just as as Sandy kind of
Speaker 2: said this, similar to what you're saying, I just look
Speaker 2: at it and I think to myself, what a coward.
Speaker 2: I mean, he he he basically was standing across the street.
Speaker 2: He knew what this guy looked like.
Speaker 7: I mean, family, where is the support? You know, they're
Speaker 7: so rich that they don't even care.
Speaker 2: I mean, according to these stories today, he kind of
Speaker 2: dropped off their.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was probably embarrassed because he got hooked and
Speaker 7: he's still known as this great guy, come from a
Speaker 7: great family, and he was going to get looked down on,
Speaker 7: and he just snapped and he took down a lot
Speaker 7: of lives and a lot of family members have probably
Speaker 7: hurt in big time.
Speaker 2: Well, the family members that that are hurting big time
Speaker 2: are the family members of the man he killed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are those.
Speaker 2: Are the family members that I just think that this
Speaker 2: is this is one of those stories which it'll be
Speaker 2: fascinating to see how it turns out.
Speaker 7: Wait for the next next documentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Debbie, thanks so much for calling and
Speaker 2: really enjoyed the conversation. Well, thank you very much. And
Speaker 2: again I admire anyone who can overcome an addiction of
Speaker 2: any sort, whether it's alcohol or drugs, and you have
Speaker 2: a lot to be proud of.
Speaker 7: I am thank you so much, and you have a
Speaker 7: great holiday you too.
Speaker 2: By the way, what do you celebrate Christmas or what
Speaker 2: do you celebrate?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm Catholic.
Speaker 8: Merry christ my whole life.
Speaker 7: I live in Mitsfield now I.
Speaker 2: Celebrate Christmas too, So I want to wish you a
Speaker 2: merry Christmas and a great twenty and twenty five another
Speaker 2: year of recovery. And I'm looking forward to your next
Speaker 2: call the night side.
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Debbie, you have a great one.
Speaker 9: Good nights.
Speaker 2: Those are great calls when you hear from people who
Speaker 2: are able to overcome. Let me go next to Joe
Speaker 2: and Lynn. Joe, welcome back.
Speaker 4: How are you well? I'm going in Friday for my
Speaker 4: cancer evaluation and discussion. We're going to see what we
Speaker 4: can do. But wish me luck because I may be
Speaker 4: alone this Christmas.
Speaker 2: I'm going to thoughts and prayers, my friend, thoughts and thanks.
Speaker 4: I may be with my friend in brighton Christmas. Okay,
Speaker 4: I have several comments on this subject. You may disagree
Speaker 4: with me, but that's okay. That's why we're here.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 4: I have heard a lot of people, including myself, I've
Speaker 4: had trouble. You know, I make the talk rounds. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say where administrator people. A lady called
Speaker 4: up like deb who was an administrator and worked with
Speaker 4: the United Healthcare. She gave a high figure like eighty
Speaker 4: to ninety percent, or maybe even less forty to fifty
Speaker 4: I don't know, a very high figure of their claims
Speaker 4: have been denied. She spent over ten grand each month.
Speaker 4: She's lucky she had the money to get a lawyer
Speaker 4: to straighten it out or to call She says, people
Speaker 4: don't have this kind of money. I just think it's
Speaker 4: bad for all Dan and as you know, the internet
Speaker 4: and they played it on the news. Some people, some
Speaker 4: journalists were happy that he did this. I think people
Speaker 4: are breaking the healthcare system has to be rebuilt. I
Speaker 4: think it was due to his back problems. He wasn't
Speaker 4: getting the treatment. I don't know whether he was spoiled
Speaker 4: or not. I'm not going to judge him. He comes
Speaker 4: from a good family. He was wonderful before all this happened,
Speaker 4: and it's bad for all. But I understand that the
Speaker 4: tragedy and this is going to happen. Until this gets fixed,
Speaker 4: you can't just keep denying and denying people. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're against alternative therapy and these executives and this guy
Speaker 4: did sell his stock and made eleven million, and one
Speaker 4: guy made eighty five and I think United Healthcare is
Speaker 4: four hundred billion dollars. It's okay to make a profit,
Speaker 4: but not screw your customers.
Speaker 2: Well, but the point I'm trying to make to you, Joe,
Speaker 2: is when when someone crosses the line and and kills
Speaker 2: a guy in cold blood. By the way, you're not
Speaker 2: alone in some of your This is a I want
Speaker 2: to play a montage of people on social media who
Speaker 2: who's saying similar to what things what you said here,
Speaker 2: So you're not alone here. Cut number eight, Please Rob,
Speaker 2: if you would make banks hold.
Speaker 10: On, I e vividly remember being on the song with
Speaker 10: United health Care for for days and days, nine months
Speaker 10: pregnant about to give birth alone.
Speaker 1: It was a terrible, stressful, mad scramble.
Speaker 2: We appealed, of course, to United Healthcare, and they denied
Speaker 2: the appeal within one day.
Speaker 11: You're wondering, I'm just saying, my thoughts and prayers were
Speaker 11: also denied.
Speaker 12: How don't you.
Speaker 3: Care?
Speaker 2: Did we lose that? That was okay?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: And then Pierce Morgan, I guess, has been talking about
Speaker 2: this with a woman who's a writer named Lorenz. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to play this as well. This is cut
Speaker 2: number nine. I want you to react to a job
Speaker 2: cut number nine.
Speaker 12: Why would you be in such a celebratory mood about
Speaker 12: the execution of another human being? Aren't you supposed to
Speaker 12: be on the caring sharing left where you know you
Speaker 12: believe in the sanctity of life.
Speaker 11: I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I
Speaker 11: think that's why I felt, along with so many other
Speaker 11: Americans joy. Unfortunately, you know, because of seriously I mean, execution,
Speaker 11: maybe not joy, but certainly not no, certainly not empathy, because.
Speaker 12: Againe, how can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband,
Speaker 12: a father, and he's being dumb down in the middle
Speaker 12: of Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Why did that make you joys.
Speaker 11: Americans that be murdered? So are tens So are the
Speaker 11: tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans who died because
Speaker 11: greedy health insurance executives like this one push policies of
Speaker 11: denying character the most vulnerable.
Speaker 2: But she apparently is a former Washington Post columnist.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I wish you would let her finish, but
Speaker 4: he sort of interrupted a little Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I have another I have alonger back. The bottom
Speaker 2: line is there are people out there like this. Let's
Speaker 2: go to cut. We'll finish this, rob Let's finish it
Speaker 2: for Joe Cut nine a go ahead.
Speaker 1: Should they will be killed?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 12: Should they will be killed these health care executives? Would
Speaker 12: that make you even more joyful?
Speaker 11: No, that would not, And uh I think because yours,
Speaker 11: because it doesn't wouldn't fix the whole thing there is.
Speaker 11: I find your your.
Speaker 12: Question, let's be murdered in the street. I don't find
Speaker 12: it funny.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't.
Speaker 11: Find it funny that tens of thousands of Americans die
Speaker 11: every year and because they are denied life saving health
Speaker 11: care from people like this year.
Speaker 4: I have to share the part of those view boys.
Speaker 4: I don't like the fact that he was pushing her
Speaker 4: and she she didn't mean to laugh and say joy,
Speaker 4: But she is righting a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I know, people help opportunity Joe to say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I was over there. How can you look at this? Look?
Speaker 2: If this it had gone up to him and punched
Speaker 2: him in the face, he'd be he'd be in charge
Speaker 2: with the salt and battery. But to cowardly shoot him
Speaker 2: in the back, who would you do?
Speaker 4: That's true, maybe the leg or maybe he even shouldn't.
Speaker 4: But again, I don't know the full circumstance of this
Speaker 4: kid's life.
Speaker 5: Who can I feel bad for?
Speaker 2: If this kid was born into a very wealthy family,
Speaker 2: his family owned resorts and golf courses. I mean it
Speaker 2: sounded like a Donald Trump type family actually, And then
Speaker 2: he went to he went to the University of Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: and Ivy League College, went to a very prestigious masters
Speaker 2: degree to I don't care what he yet, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that that everything was given to him on a
Speaker 2: silver spoon. And then I guess he ran into some
Speaker 2: sort of rough waters in life. And his his his
Speaker 2: resolve was to was to is to create a gun,
Speaker 2: a ghost gun, and people A fifty year old executive
Speaker 2: of the United Healthcare I mean, all.
Speaker 4: I can think is the country we may be. People
Speaker 4: are just snapping, and it's.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to live in a country like that,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, because at that point it becomes the
Speaker 2: survival of the fittest and whoever has Yeah, come on, Joe,
Speaker 2: You're you're too smart to really believe that.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I really can't say. I hope that
Speaker 4: we can find out what causes if it were, if
Speaker 4: it was the horrible pain, because I know those drugs.
Speaker 4: They wanted to give me one when I have surgery,
Speaker 4: and I said no, thanks. I don't want to be addicted.
Speaker 4: I feel I'm glad Debbie is doing well in other people, but.
Speaker 2: Joe, I got I gotta run here. I got to
Speaker 2: see what other people reacting. Wait till I start eleven
Speaker 2: thirty news, So I gotta I gotta get to that.
Speaker 2: It's always best of luck with your treatment tomorrow, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Friday, Friday, thank you.
Speaker 2: To treatment on Friday, Joss. Miss the date. That's okay, Friday, Joe,
Speaker 2: was getting treated on Friday. We'll all say it. Prayer
Speaker 2: for Joe for the treatment on Friday. Thanks Joe, talk
Speaker 2: to you. So we'll take a quick break. We're on
Speaker 2: Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go next
Speaker 2: to Will on Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome back.
Speaker 8: How are you, Hey, Dan? How are you? You know
Speaker 8: the other call that I called and says she was sober.
Speaker 8: I was thinking to myself, I said, I called you
Speaker 8: about five years ago, and it was on a Friday night.
Speaker 8: It was the first time we spoke, and you know,
Speaker 8: you were like a gentleman, and I said, wow, it
Speaker 8: was one of those non politics nights, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: it's such a refresher to talk about something besides politics,
Speaker 8: which obviously you know that I love and I'm addicted too.
Speaker 8: But I remember telling you that, you know, it was
Speaker 8: about how we wound up doing what we did for
Speaker 8: a living, and how you know, I've been sober for
Speaker 8: years at that point, now about sixteen years. So hearing
Speaker 8: that lady say that is just always a reminder. I
Speaker 8: do feel maybe there was some because I heard about
Speaker 8: his back issue that he has and it's a very
Speaker 8: painful condition actually that he has, and that maybe that's it.
Speaker 8: But you know, I heard Joe just now, you know,
Speaker 8: talking about that. He shares some of the feelings that
Speaker 8: this lady was sharing with Pere at Morgan. I wish
Speaker 8: show all the best. I hope that he gets healthy
Speaker 8: and better. I heard him a couple of days ago too.
Speaker 8: I hope that everything goes well for him. I would
Speaker 8: like to say though, that it does sound like Joe's
Speaker 8: getting the care he needs. And I'm in the healthcare
Speaker 8: industry and I was for years as a healthcare licensed agent.
Speaker 8: A lot of people get the care that they need.
Speaker 8: Some claims, obviously are denied. And when we spoke about
Speaker 8: this kid in particular, before we knew who he was
Speaker 8: last week, I said, it's probably somebody that thinks he
Speaker 8: represents the excesses of capitalism, or somebody who's related to
Speaker 8: someone who had a claim denied, or they themselves had
Speaker 8: a claim denied, or someone passed something like that. And ironically,
Speaker 8: it seems to be a mix of the both, mixed
Speaker 8: in with maybe a touch of mental illness because schizophrenia
Speaker 8: typically on sets in your twenties. When I saw this
Speaker 8: kid come in there and start talking like that, the
Speaker 8: symptoms showed themselves, typically up to nine years before they
Speaker 8: actually happened. Okay, there's no doubt that this person is
Speaker 8: kind of off their rocker. You have to be to
Speaker 8: do what he did. Let's start with that old blooded,
Speaker 8: calculated from behind. Listen, if you really have a manifest
Speaker 8: fol and it's really about the excess of the capitalism
Speaker 8: and all that, why not kill him to his face?
Speaker 8: You know, why not go right up to him and
Speaker 8: just and do it to his face? Why do you
Speaker 8: do it like that sneaky try to get away, you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: like a total coward. And that's why I hope that
Speaker 8: this person doesn't become some type of folk hero, because
Speaker 8: I gotta be honest. I wish I could say that
Speaker 8: it's only the left wing nut jobs that are praising
Speaker 8: this guy, Okay, but it's not just anecdotally. I know
Speaker 8: a lot of so called conservatives and a lot of
Speaker 8: people obviously that are on the right, and you know
Speaker 8: what side I'm on, And I see a lot of
Speaker 8: people that I know applauding this I see a lot
Speaker 8: of people. I'm listening to very conservative talk shows. Half
Speaker 8: the people are calling saying this is good. Listen, in America,
Speaker 8: it's okay to be a billionaire. It's okay to be rich. Okay,
Speaker 8: you could make millions in sports. They voted for a
Speaker 8: billionaire president. They love Elon Musk. However, there are some
Speaker 8: industries like pharmaceuticals Atpipen's gouging insulin and things like this,
Speaker 8: where the American public just tows a line where they
Speaker 8: think it's despicable to become wealthy in some of these industries.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: So I see like I'm one of those people, you
Speaker 8: know that, I'm like on both sides a little bit.
Speaker 8: I can see the argument coming from this side. But listen,
Speaker 8: we can't make this kid into a folk hero. This
Speaker 8: cannot be. We cannot just say that, you know, because
Speaker 8: we think that somebody has you know, this is worse
Speaker 8: than vigilante justice. This is literally absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah with you and I think that it's literally at
Speaker 2: this point, it's the wild wild West. It's the Lord
Speaker 2: of the Jungle. I got packed lines will so normally
Speaker 2: I give you a lot of time. I gotta get
Speaker 2: some more folks in right now.
Speaker 8: I got a lot out there.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks man, appreciate it. Good night, right back
Speaker 2: at you, Diane and bill Ricka. Hi, Diane, welcome? How
Speaker 2: are you welcome? Diane?
Speaker 9: I am doing uh pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 2: It were just great? What's your thought on this? My friend?
Speaker 6: It's the booth fairy.
Speaker 2: You know that I know exactly who it is yourself.
Speaker 9: You didn't say no, like, like, I don't agree that
Speaker 9: the kid took the CEO's life, but like, you know
Speaker 9: what I've been going through for almost two years now,
Speaker 9: and today was a big joke. The insurance company wants
Speaker 9: me to go for another X ray before they do
Speaker 9: an MRI. So now they're requiring two x rays before
Speaker 9: an MRI. Like, is that not the most ridiculous thing?
Speaker 9: What are you going to see different from last month?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well again, is that something that's costing you or
Speaker 2: are they doing that at their expense? Well?
Speaker 9: I don't know because I have to lie and not
Speaker 9: say it's worked in comp because work in comp still
Speaker 9: isn't pegging the bills. Yeah, it's crazy. The whole thing
Speaker 9: is just insane. But meanwhile I'm getting fired. Let them
Speaker 9: write from jobs because they're saying I'm at risk, but
Speaker 9: I feel I'm okay. Luckily, I have two companies that
Speaker 9: are keeping me, but they're not commission based their ally,
Speaker 9: so my salary literally has dropped three quarters.
Speaker 2: So you're you're convinced that the insurance companies. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I've had my fights with insurance companies as well. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and I've had I've been on those situations where you're
Speaker 2: on the phone for two hours and you're listening to
Speaker 2: Musac it's very frustrating. Or you get people who are offshore,
Speaker 2: they're not they do not speak American, They're speak they're
Speaker 2: attempting to speak English, it's their second language. I don't
Speaker 2: have a second language. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: feel that these companies should hire people who can be
Speaker 2: confident and qualified, and you go through the entire Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And I've even had problems with, you know, some of
Speaker 2: the companies that are associated, I believe with United Healthcare.
Speaker 2: I think that they have a number of companies. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I don't think you turn around
Speaker 2: and you take it out on someone this.
Speaker 9: Way and the fact no, no, no, And it's just
Speaker 9: kind of crazy that how this young person knew that
Speaker 9: this guy is going to be there, and actually.
Speaker 2: Well he needs well that that might have been public knowledge,
Speaker 2: that might have been pop knowledge that that that there was.
Speaker 2: I believe it was what they called a shareholders meeting
Speaker 2: in New York and he's an annual event. But how
Speaker 2: did he know what street that this was six forty
Speaker 2: five in the morning. My understanding is, how did he
Speaker 2: know that it was at that moment in time with
Speaker 2: this guy? How did he recognize him? I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're in the street of New York and you see
Speaker 2: someone coming down the street, how could he be certain
Speaker 2: that was the guy and not some guy maybe who
Speaker 2: bore a remarkable resemblance.
Speaker 9: Right right, Like the whole thing is just you know, like,
Speaker 9: of course I'm laying home because I'm not working until
Speaker 9: January thirteenth, and I'm watching all these crazy other things
Speaker 9: on YouTube and stuff, and you know, they're saying that
Speaker 9: they don't even have the right kid. And then I
Speaker 9: saw the warrior for the kid, and like he's saying
Speaker 9: that they haven't produced any evidence.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, of course that's what the lawyer's going
Speaker 2: to say. No, I have this. They had this kid,
Speaker 2: stone cold Stone.
Speaker 9: No, no, I I get it too. I get it too.
Speaker 9: But like I can like not that I can see
Speaker 9: murdering anybody is the right way to go, but but
Speaker 9: like I could see somebody being a little out of
Speaker 9: their mind because of being in pain because of these companies.
Speaker 9: But you know what the kid did, there had to
Speaker 9: be something a little bit more going on in his
Speaker 9: head than just pain. I think, like schizophrenia.
Speaker 5: Like the last call as that of something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm with you totally. I'm with you totally, Diane, best
Speaker 2: of luck. It's yeah, you're you know, the fact that
Speaker 2: that you're dealing with this difficult circumstances. You're going to
Speaker 2: a lot of people be thinking about you tonight as well.
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, thank you, and I'm sure i'll talk to
Speaker 9: you soon. You bet I won't say yeah, well, I'll.
Speaker 2: Still I can still say Merry Christmas to you. It's okay,
Speaker 2: I can say that once.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, but merry Christmas. And uh, it's a very
Speaker 9: crazy story.
Speaker 2: It is a very crazy story. Thanks, Diane. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon, okay, right right, take a quick
Speaker 2: break here at nights. I'd be right back. I got
Speaker 2: one line open if you want to give a shot
Speaker 2: for it. What Well, actually it's two now because Diane
Speaker 2: dropped off. It is six one. Give us a call.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Montreal. Frank is in Montreal. Frank, welcome
Speaker 2: to the night Side.
Speaker 13: How are you good?
Speaker 10: Dan?
Speaker 13: Thank you for taking my call, And yeah, I'm I
Speaker 13: was captivated by this story as well, and I guess
Speaker 13: all of probably the worldwide. But I was wondering and
Speaker 13: an earlier caller had made reference to political affiliation and
Speaker 13: they're being sympathetic towards Mangoni or not. So I was
Speaker 13: wondering in my observation, and it seems to me that
Speaker 13: if you're more a Democrat, you're almost more sympathetic towards
Speaker 13: Manoni versus a Republican or someone right leaning.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's a generalization, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And I think the reason is that most Republicans in
Speaker 2: America are very supportive of capitalism as we have at
Speaker 2: the supportive of corporations for the most part. Uh, and
Speaker 2: Democrats are a little bit skeptical about the power that
Speaker 2: exists within corporations and and that's but but at the
Speaker 2: same time, I think that there are, uh, there's different
Speaker 2: brands of both Republicans, Republicanism and UH and the Democratic platform,
Speaker 2: and so they could be a little bit of a
Speaker 2: cross over there. But I don't think anyone in their
Speaker 2: right mind can support what this kid did.
Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely not. It's it's and it's premeditated all the way.
Speaker 2: A lot there's a lot of people, frank on the
Speaker 2: internet who enjoyed the anonymity of the anonymity of the Internet,
Speaker 2: and they're saying some things, including this, uh, this reporter
Speaker 2: named or this columnist named Taylor Lorenz who used to
Speaker 2: write for the Washington Post, who had this, uh, this
Speaker 2: this pretty challenging exchange with Piers Morgan. So what do
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 13: I heard that? Yeah, sorry, And I was just gonna
Speaker 13: say that those who are you know so, And I
Speaker 13: think I'm more conservative in my views, and but I
Speaker 13: think I don't understand how the Republicans could ever have
Speaker 13: said pro life. I think it's I'm all for it's
Speaker 13: a woman's body and she decides what it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 13: the course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why there's there's these cross currents within the.
Speaker 13: Within right and so the same people who maybe say
Speaker 13: it's a woman's choice, but then they're saying, no, no,
Speaker 13: this guy, this guy had the right to kill this man.
Speaker 2: And I know that's yeah, I get the irony of that.
Speaker 2: You know, my favorite Canadian Prime Minister will always be
Speaker 2: Brian mulrooney, as my favorite American president of my lifetime
Speaker 2: is Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 13: So absolutely, And I have another story, but my wife
Speaker 13: met mulrooney and Bush Senior at a restaurant Seascapes in
Speaker 13: Kenny Buncourt, Maine, and what a story. Fantastic story. Another time.
Speaker 2: Are you a regular listener up there in Montreal? Have
Speaker 2: you called before?
Speaker 13: Absolutely? Enjoy it, enjoy your show immensely. Well, yeh, so
Speaker 13: I've called in a few times.
Speaker 2: So when are you a Canadians hockey fan?
Speaker 13: I am, but it's okay.
Speaker 2: In my law practice many years ago, I represented NHL players,
Speaker 2: including one of a Bostonian out there who you must remember,
Speaker 2: Chris n Island. So if you're bump into Chris some
Speaker 2: might I represented Chris virtually for his entire career and
Speaker 2: he has done very well.
Speaker 13: Are you still in touch with.
Speaker 2: Him every week.
Speaker 13: His mom just I think his wife is from His
Speaker 13: wife is from Hawaii.
Speaker 2: That's correct, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 13: And yeah, and there's even the Whitey Balter connection.
Speaker 2: We try not to go there too much, but when
Speaker 2: you see him saying, oh, okay, Frank, I got a round,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to Yeah. I have a great night Montreal, Frank. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get too in quickly here, Ron,
Speaker 2: can you help me out? I want to get Dave
Speaker 2: and san Antonio went as well.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Ron, Well, I I hope I don't shock
Speaker 6: a lot of people, but I think they better get
Speaker 6: their heads one straight. I believe the mainstream media is
Speaker 6: projecting a thought of Luigi Manon as a hero. He's
Speaker 6: not a hero.
Speaker 2: Making media's doing that. Run who the mainstream media has
Speaker 2: done that?
Speaker 6: Yep, mainstream media is becoming a sickness.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you one person in the mainstream media
Speaker 2: who is I haven't seen it. I watched it fairly closely.
Speaker 2: If if you want to throw a name at me,
Speaker 2: that's fine. If you want to make a generalization, that's
Speaker 2: okay too. What I was asking if there's someone who
Speaker 2: has said something in the mainstream media I.
Speaker 6: Think it was the Governor of New York's son who
Speaker 6: was giving a news report on I don't know for
Speaker 6: a CNN, but it was him. He was actually trying
Speaker 6: to yeah, he was. He was trying to say that
Speaker 6: he was good and he was good before. And and
Speaker 6: what I think is Luigi Mangoni is not a hero.
Speaker 6: They're trying to make him a hero. He is the
Speaker 6: person who turned him in at McDonald's by identification.
Speaker 5: That's the true hero.
Speaker 6: And no more of this brother against brother under God's law.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 6: He said, unto God, said unto Kane, where is Abel
Speaker 6: thy brother? And he said, I know not. I am
Speaker 6: my brother's tifa. And Laud said, what hast thou done?
Speaker 2: And now you don't go into a lot of deep
Speaker 2: religious stuff here. And I wasn't covering that story back
Speaker 2: in the day. So look, I agree with you what
Speaker 2: this was done. This was wrong. This was wrong. I
Speaker 2: want to try to get a quick comment from Dave
Speaker 2: and San Antonio. Well, well, we'll get back to this
Speaker 2: later on during the week, I promise. Okay, you're welcome,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dave, Thank you, Rather Ron Dave, You're at
Speaker 2: the end of the line. I got less than a
Speaker 2: minute for you. What can you do with it?
Speaker 5: I tell you so, Remember told you about how I
Speaker 5: got screwed in the dental, But I had a feeling
Speaker 5: that it was some dude that was protested and the
Speaker 5: other way they were treating people that company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think many people felt that you
Speaker 2: were the only one who you weren't the only one
Speaker 2: that felt that. But yeah, we talked about your your
Speaker 2: I dental issues.
Speaker 5: All over the radio.
Speaker 2: Well you know it was you were going so deep.
Speaker 2: I want, I want to do it? What? What? What?
Speaker 13: What?
Speaker 5: I am verned into itive? I have been right so
Speaker 5: many times and so many people are pissed off because
Speaker 5: I get right. I'm right and uh and believe me.
Speaker 2: Let me just say this, Dave David. When I think
Speaker 2: about you, I think about the phrase often mistaken, never
Speaker 2: in doubt. And I'm sure you take that as a compliment.
Speaker 2: Talk to you good night, all right, everybody done for
Speaker 2: the night. Want to thank Maria to want to thank
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