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<v Speaker 1>To shove me thirty fifty five KRC detalk station, A

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<v Speaker 1>very happy Friday to you when time's please to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the City five KRC Morning Show offer of a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of books we're going to be talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest Richards author of the two books we will

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<v Speaker 1>be speaking about today, as I mentioned, the DNA of

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<v Speaker 1>Democracy Volume one and Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two.

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<v Speaker 1>Born and raised in the Midwest, education took him through

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<v Speaker 1>Loyala Academy, University of North Caro, North Texas, and graduate

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<v Speaker 1>career at Southern Methodist University. He's been a lifelong admired

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<v Speaker 1>of the written word, which has led him to a

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<v Speaker 1>literary pursuits as a poet, essays and screenwriter. Also a

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<v Speaker 1>third generation printer. Welcome to the program, mister Lyons. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh great to be with you, Brian. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this let's start with the DNA of Democracy. You

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<v Speaker 1>do a long history analysis of this from the Ten

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<v Speaker 1>Commandments all the way through modern times. How democracy is formed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And I'm thinking about the Ten Commandments and

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<v Speaker 1>I've always tried to contemplate this. I try to be

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<v Speaker 1>Switzerland in my approach to the Morning Show. I have

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<v Speaker 1>many in my audience who are very religious. I have agnostics.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got adeists. But I've always thought to myself, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, if you weren't religious, You're Moses sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>a mountain, and you were the head of the tribe,

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<v Speaker 1>and you left a sort of contemplate life's problems, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably would have come up with the Ten Commandments as

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<v Speaker 1>you sit there and contemplate, why is it that our

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors are fighting amongst themselves? Why is it something? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because you coveted your neighbor's wife, or but it's

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<v Speaker 1>because you cover your covetous and greedy generally, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that stuff, and you live a happier life.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's great, Brian, and very true. It's common sense,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is?

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<v Speaker 4>But it's also it's also the first And people don't

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<v Speaker 4>get this, and everybody should, even humanists, that the Ten

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<v Speaker 4>Commandments were the first common law. They were the first

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<v Speaker 4>law that entailed both kings and priests and had a

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<v Speaker 4>common law to which which applied to the whole society,

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<v Speaker 4>not just some I like that. I look at that,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is that is a real foundation of British

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<v Speaker 4>common law and our common law. So that's where I

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<v Speaker 4>see it as a as a contributing element to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>And also there are rights entailed to that right. If

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<v Speaker 4>you don't covet you have a right to your own property, right,

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<v Speaker 4>thou shalt not steal. You have a right to your

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<v Speaker 4>own life, Thou shalt not murder. These are things that

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<v Speaker 4>are also cornerstones of democracies.

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<v Speaker 1>Unalienable rights. And I always think of things, Hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>derive from God. It derived from God because the greatest illustration.

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<v Speaker 1>And I talk to Judge Enna of Palaton about this

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<v Speaker 1>all the time on my program. He's on every week.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were in the state of nature, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were plunked down in the field before there was organized police, religion,

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<v Speaker 1>a government, you have the right to defend yourself. You

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<v Speaker 1>have the right to own property, You have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to hunt and gather and eat, and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>things come built into the package. And only a government institution,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps sometimes religious organization can take them away from you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, correct, that's right. But if derived from God, as

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<v Speaker 4>from the mount brought down by Moses, no power on

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<v Speaker 4>earth can take those rights away. And that's the point.

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<v Speaker 4>They're inalienable.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we as a people so willing to want

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<v Speaker 1>to give those up? I understand we must interact and coexist.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's where a system of laws comes in that

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to be designed to protect these unalienable rights.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet people are almost fearful of being free and

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<v Speaker 1>being able to have these choices, but being also responsible

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think you know, there's an allure to big government.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've been subject to that now, Brian, for decades. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>where the people look to big government and they.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, you know you can.

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<v Speaker 4>And it comes from World War two, the great success

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<v Speaker 4>in World War Two. After that, people said, well, the

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<v Speaker 4>government can do no wrong, and we should look to

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<v Speaker 4>government to solve all of our problems because they solve

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<v Speaker 4>the problem of Hitler and Japan. And it became a

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<v Speaker 4>mindset in America that a centralized government in Washington, DC

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<v Speaker 4>can solve all of society's will was and the allure

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<v Speaker 4>to people is, well, if they are solving my problem,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to think about it, I don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with it. And so we fell prey to

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<v Speaker 4>that for decades and now we're just waking up to

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<v Speaker 4>the other side of that coin, and that is that

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<v Speaker 4>governments can also oppress. Yes, they can also overtax you.

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<v Speaker 4>They can also spend your money really stupidly. So this

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<v Speaker 4>is a good mindset we're discovering now with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, and you know, it's interesting on the heels of

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<v Speaker 1>my conversation with doctor James Thorpe, who exposed how devastating

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID nineteen VA vaccine is and was for pregnant mothers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that that Woodrow Wilsonian, a government of experts kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Just let us tell you how it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you just listen to us and just don't

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<v Speaker 1>deny anything we tell you, and we find out we're

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<v Speaker 1>being lied to all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And Fauci was the poster boy for that really.

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<v Speaker 3>And for a government, well think about this, Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>For a government to have the suppose right to inject

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<v Speaker 4>something into your body, I mean, there's nothing more invasive

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<v Speaker 4>than that.

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<v Speaker 3>And to give government the right to do that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Anti democratic really, And when you don't question what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 4>that's very anti democratic.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think fascinating reality we're living with here. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think we are all actually collectively waking up to this?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we're going to have some movement back

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<v Speaker 1>toward these fundamental liberties that we shouldn't take for granted,

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<v Speaker 1>that based upon all the lies that we now perceive,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks in large part to the Internet, that these

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<v Speaker 1>alternative voices and these realities can actually be brought to

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<v Speaker 1>the American people, that there's going to be maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>renaissance of that type of attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and think about your show, Think about what you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I attributed to Rush Limbaugh what he started as an

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<v Speaker 4>independent voice that king national and alternative and proved to

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<v Speaker 4>be right. And so this centralization of power, I hope continues.

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<v Speaker 4>My books illustrate how and why our government was created

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<v Speaker 4>as a diffused power base. So you have states, localities,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the federal government. Shadows of the Acropolis chronicles

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<v Speaker 4>the last hundred years, and how power from Woodrow Wilson,

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<v Speaker 4>very true concentrated in Washington, d c. Contrary to our

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<v Speaker 4>constitutional principles. And so I'm hoping that after that century

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<v Speaker 4>now we look at government and and all these discoveries

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<v Speaker 4>of Elon Musk about how much money has been wasted,

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<v Speaker 4>how it's been how it all happens to end up,

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<v Speaker 4>my gosh, in Democrat hands.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really funny, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>How you know this cronyism, this this grifter mentality that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, issued from the Clinton's on down, when the

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<v Speaker 4>Democratic Party, I think when people see this, and with

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<v Speaker 4>the vaccine and all these sorts of things, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>government can be wrong and in fact, government can be dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>And when people wake up to that, they'll wake up

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<v Speaker 4>to the idea we must shrink the size of the

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<v Speaker 4>federal government. We must, you know, put barriers to its

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<v Speaker 4>ability to invade our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen to that make up just a bunch of intriguing

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<v Speaker 1>and wonderful observations and shadow of the shadows of the acropolis.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I wonder you talk about division that exists.

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<v Speaker 1>You wonder why the nation feels so politically divided. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a constant stirring of the pot of division that

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<v Speaker 1>has just become so pronounced over the past fifteen twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>At every turn. You can't have an opinion about someone

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at you that you are wrong. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>how infintestinably small any given subject matter is. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>entitled to speak your mind. The loudest voice in the room,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps even the smallest group of people that abide by

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<v Speaker 1>some particular message, like that a man can be a

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<v Speaker 1>woman ends up becoming the dominant narrative in a conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is flies in the face of logic and reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, but they had such control, Brian of the media

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<v Speaker 4>and used it and for decades again, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like someone on the mount preaching to you and

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<v Speaker 4>telling you that what is right is wrong and what

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<v Speaker 4>is wrong is right, and then demanding that you believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is really where I think the Democrat Party

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<v Speaker 4>went too far. They think they can literally do this

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<v Speaker 4>in America, where you do have an alternative media, and

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<v Speaker 4>where the First Bill of Rights, the First Amendment of

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<v Speaker 4>the Bill of Rights guarantees free speech, so you cannot

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<v Speaker 4>be un American and say you can't speak.

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't that really what that whole anti disinformation campaign

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<v Speaker 1>was about. They only wanted one narrative, the one that

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<v Speaker 1>they said was the appropriate information. Again, going back to

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<v Speaker 1>fauci or this nonsensical green religion that we've been it's

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<v Speaker 1>been forced down our throats in spite of the objective

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<v Speaker 1>information and scientific evidence that it's nonsense. You know, carbon

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<v Speaker 1>dioxide's plant food, for God's sake, Well it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a large part of the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>But think about the scheme.

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<v Speaker 4>If the temperature is fifty one degrees, we can tax you.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's ninety two degrees, we can tax you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a real engine for money making. And where's all

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<v Speaker 4>the money going the money? We have a virtuous private

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<v Speaker 4>economy right large, and it's private ownership and it's private enterprise,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've allowed this centralized government for a century to

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<v Speaker 4>grow up on top of it as a parasitic organism

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<v Speaker 4>that takes all the fruits of all those labors into

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<v Speaker 4>itself and distributes that money to its friends and fellow politicians.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what you see when you see the EPA

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<v Speaker 4>giving out twenty billion dollars to eight recipients, one of

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<v Speaker 4>whom is giving five billion dollars back to his former employer. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>who do you think that is. I think it's his friend,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it. Yes, We're giving two billion dollars to Stacy

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<v Speaker 4>Abram and then she's funneling it through five other different

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<v Speaker 4>entities in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Web of corruption.

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<v Speaker 4>And I really applaud that Elon Musk is going to

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<v Speaker 4>go after this. I want the Justice Department and the

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<v Speaker 4>Treasury to find out where every dime is going.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen, and illustrate it on.

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<v Speaker 4>Shows like your own, so that people know, My god,

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<v Speaker 4>they're taking this money and doing what with it. They're

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<v Speaker 4>giving it to their friends and their kids and other Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eight eight million or ten million or twenty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that went to Zimbabwe or whatever for male circumcisions

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<v Speaker 1>didn't Actually, it didn't make it nobody Zimbabwe, right, It

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<v Speaker 1>ended up back in Washington with lobbying groups that ended

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<v Speaker 1>up put it back in the pockets of politicians for

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<v Speaker 1>their re election campaign. And isn't that part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We as Americans tend to select some pretty awful people

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<v Speaker 1>as our representatives. We need to wake up to that

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<v Speaker 1>and find better people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, agreed, there ought to be there ought to be

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<v Speaker 4>a you know, the people are their own vetting. They

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<v Speaker 4>are the vetting process, and they should really listen to

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<v Speaker 4>what politicians are saying and not just say, well, they

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<v Speaker 4>have a D by their name, so I'm voting for them.

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<v Speaker 4>They have an R by their name, so I'm voting

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<v Speaker 4>for them. You're right, some of these people are not

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<v Speaker 4>qualified and really don't think in the people's best interests.

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<v Speaker 4>They're looking for a job they can hold for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and get paid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Richly, guys like representatives who think Guam can

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<v Speaker 1>capsize if you put another building on it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Richard, Richard Lions, the author of the two

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<v Speaker 1>books we're talking about today, The DNA of Democracy and

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<v Speaker 1>Shadows of the Acropulus, Volume two. It's been a great conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy it, Richard. I know my listeners are

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<v Speaker 1>going to love to get the books, and we'll make

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<v Speaker 3>Keep up the.

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<v Speaker 1>Great work, pleasure man. I wish we had more time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk, but thanks for spending time. Thanks great. I'll

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