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all right. I'm here with Palette and YYZ and Stormy
and we as a lot of these things happen, We've
already jumped into a big conversation and should have been
recording it. So let's run back on that. Okay. So,
Palette and you and Stormy were going back and forth,
and basically we're talking about structure of organizations, and you're
bringing an organization here which you advocate for and which
you think is a useful structure when we're looking to organize.
So I'm just going to let you go, and you know,
and Stormy, can you and Stormy can go back and forth?
I'll interject, just go guess sure.
Speaker 2: So as an introduction to the audience, what I have
noticed is that there are templates out there for organized groups,
and one of the best ones I know of and
can speak with some expertise on, is the structure of AA. Now,
whenever you're trying to build a cohesive group where there's
no miscommunication and everybody on board has the same shared
principles and common goals, it's really important to have the
culture built into that and to have the language built
into that, so that none of us ever feel like
we're always having to juggle everybody else's interpretation of what
we're about. So when I was in AA, I was
introduced to a system that has been hammered out since
the thirties, and it's survived, and it's transnational, it's global.
So I can go to a meeting in Singapore or
Japan or Alabama, and everybody there knows who I am.
Everybody there knows what I'm about, and I know exactly
who they are and what they're about. Now, we don't
have complicated conversations dissecting the rules, or we don't have
any miscommunication as to who we are, what we're all
doing here, and what our game plan is. It's just
automatically built in and it takes a culture over time
to build that, and I know the OGC is striving
for that. I know for a fact that that's what
they want, and so I'm just discussing.
Speaker 3: It's actually a perfect model for a decentralized organization. It is.
Speaker 2: It's the best I've ever heard of.
Speaker 3: So that's why I agree with that. I've never actually
thought about that as a type of organization, because of
course we're all very one. We're all we're in a
political state of mind because we are dealing with political
problems and therefore the organizations we would look to mimic
our political ones in nature, but that may not be
the necessary way to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about this outside.
Speaker 3: Of the box? Thinking, Yeah, if this is a startup
and this was pitched to me, you would have my attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was talking to Pete earlier about how
one of the things that's first and foremost. Remember there's
a hierarchy to this logic. It flows beautifully and everybody
who I tell this to completely understands it. They don't
need to understand Latin or Aramaic or anything. When I say, look,
it deals with It starts off with the character of
the man. Because without each one of us as individuals
aligning ourselves with some type of higher power or a
god in our lives, that we find that we're pretty
much aimless. And everybody's compass says something fucking different, and
that just causes chaos.
Speaker 3: Is the areas. So I am combative against paganism. For
any of the listeners that are like in here for
politics and stand listening to me because I say interesting
stuff or so they find interesting, but they hate the
Christianity is kind of the focal point this is the
problem with paganism, right, yeah, and what's even Everyone wants
to believe whatever they want to believe. You know, no
one's gonna Christianity is a regimented and doctrinal So if
I say I am a Christian, the two other men
on this podcast know exactly what I mean. They know
exactly what roughly my value set is. And it's yeah,
I don't want central as organization can work. Go ahead,
please sure?
Speaker 2: And you know what it's like to join a chat
group of others so called nationalists, only to find out
that you spend hours discussing what you mean by it
and they have their own definition, and I try to
hammer into people's head you can't have societies without a God,
like they just need to get over that, because God
forms the thing that aligns and keeps us all in
the same shape. And then it becomes a big question
about who's God. I'm like, look, dude, this is this
has been figured out. This is not a complicated thing.
And I don't want to join a nationalist group and
spend all my time arguing about fucking Thor or the
Earth or Mother Earth or you know, arconic influence and
stuff like that's actually kind of a good one.
Speaker 3: We can get into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now it's just like, hey, what are we
all doing here? And by the way, who the fuck
are you? And what is your relationship to God? And
so AA starts off there with the individual man and
he and the individual man soon figures out I don't
know how to be this guy, this trooper, this soldier
because I'm kind of a mess in my own life.
I suffer from a lot of delusions. I suffer from
a lot of confusion, and I need the group to
help me hammer myself into shape so that I am
a functioning member of a fucking awesome group. And it
starts with the individual. So they have they just have
a system where the individual comes to grips with himself
and when he's done with that process, he now knows
we can use the OGC as a examples. So what
does it mean to be a guy in the OGC. Well,
you know, we have a banner, we have a mission statement,
you know, and but when we meet privately, we all
need to understand that we have basic ideas that are
all rock solid and require no discussion amongst ourselves. The
complicated discussions are for the recruits the people outside the group.
That's that's when we use a different set of tools
to communicate to the outside world what we're like on
the inside. But once we're inside the group, it should
be a smooth, cohesive process that produces brotherhood and fraternity
because no one's fucking arguing about you know.
Speaker 3: What's where the focus is on. Let's say you have
a new member and then a whole bunch of senior members.
This is different from how you would think an organization
with seniority, with hierarchy, how would that play out?
Speaker 2: Beautiful because one is obviously built around alcoholism. But believe
it or not, this is a great one. AA has
nothing to do with alcohol. Okay, I'm gonna say that again.
AA has nothing to do with alcohol. So if you're
the one thinking, well, we can't use AA because let's
say the individuals going well, I'm not an alcoholic. So
what it does is AA deals with insanity, It deals
with delusion, and it deals with the idea that you
you have brought into a lot of bad truths that
don't work in your life, and that could be anything
from hey, I can't save money or I have trouble
finding a job, or my relationships never seem to work out.
See now we're not talking about alcohol anymore. We're talking
about fraternity issues where men and groups can assist each
other and say, hey, this is how you do it.
But when you talk to these guys for very long,
you realize they don't even understand how to save money.
They think they have money problems, but no one taught
them basic shit. No one taught them how to get
along with an employer. No one taught them to look
at themselves and go, these are all the things I
do that keep fucking up my game plans for my
own personal life. And so what we need are strong guys.
Strong guys don't just get produced naturally. Being a member
does not make you a strong guy. Being a member means,
you know, have access to strong men who can make
you a s strong guy. And everybody fucking needs help
with that. Everybody needs help with that. So we want
strong guys because that builds. Real community. Is when everybody's
gone through the initiation and the process, and you know
they've looked at their lives and they've they've separated the
wheat and the chaff like a balance sheet. You know,
I've had to look at my life so many times
and just create two columns like an inventory, like, hey,
these are the character traits I have that haven't been
fixed in years, and I don't know how to fix them,
you know, whether it's attention to detail, time management, saving money,
you know, organizing my business, or hiring people, these are
all things. It's like, man, I need fucking help with
these things. And a good sponsor will say, well, what
are you doing to like keep you from achieving these goals?
And it's actually quite hammered out. It's very simple. They
have twelve simple steps where they start, of which about
six are necessary. And that's that's six things I'm gonna
teach you, and that will help you rid yourself of
all the internal contradictions that keep you from being just good,
a good man of good character, you know, and that's definable.
Like I can walk up to somebody and I can
say you are not that guy. I can tell by
the way you conduct yourself, you know, I can tell
by the things you complain about. I can tell by
the way you talk about what you think are the
problems and what are the solutions. It's like none of
us are on the same page because our characters as
individuals are not They're not coherent, So it's becomes this
free for all. And the purpose of a real group,
a real community is to hammer out the individual so
that they are all on the same page and that
allows conversation and action to take place a lot more seamlessly.
Speaker 3: So what about like a tention, like let's say a
new member comes in, right, just became a member. Yeah,
you're welcome all of this. Yeah, but who's the priority?
You said something earlier that I want to pull back
up because I want to pull on it all right.
You mentioned earlier that it does it like you can
have a room full of a hunt like very very
senior members and a new person and doesn't matter where
this group is. If you are a new person that
walks into the Singapore AA or you're the one that
walks into you know, the mobile Alabama AA, it doesn't
matter because again the process is regimented, which again I
really like. But you said that the attention of the
group is on the newest member. So the focus of
the most senior members aren't amongst themselves, but actually in
developing the newest member, and that is always going to
be the case. So that's that's where the strength is.
Speaker 2: That's where the strength is because it goes on a
principle one of vigilance, which is, hey, we don't want
people in this group that we haven't made welcome and
introduced ourselves to. We want that to feel as much
a part of this group as soon as possible, because
we are extending real gifts that come from real groups,
which is, hey, we got your back. You're one of
us now, So there's that sense of fraternity, and we're
not going to just ignore you. We're not going to
watch you sit in the back and not have anybody
introduce themselves to you. We're not going to watch you
sit by yourself while we're all eating dinner. These things
are just antithetical to the way any decent community should function.
You welcome the fucking new guy, and you answer his
questions and you help him out, and we give each
other phone numbers like that say hey, that way, when
you leave here, you're still in contact and we pick
up the phone for each other all the time, And
that way that new member automatically feels welcome. He already
has connections and resources.
Speaker 3: You can't accomplish anything without a support structure.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, you have to have that. And and
the new guy is the guy that needs all the attention. Yeah,
they're like, you know, the senior members, they already got
shit figured out. They already have all the friends. You know,
they already have people lining up to sign their book
or to buy their book, or to talk to him
for three seconds. Oh wow are you Stormy? Wow? Holy shit,
I've heard you on the podcast, you know. So people
are already trying to find you, But you're not trying
to find the brand new guy, whereas in AA they
do put a huge emphasis that way. The guy who's
at the book signing drops what he's doing and says, hey,
I see that guy over there. As anybody made this
guy feel welcome, Has anybody you know introduced themselves? He
looks like he's wandering around, you know, and so yeah
that immediately they just bring him into the fold. You
get everybody into the fold as far.
Speaker 3: Wow, I just felt I just felt a fucking scene
right there, and not in a good way.
Speaker 2: Well that's how everybody, That's howverybody does.
Speaker 3: Sure you remember the Tennessee thing. You literally just just
called me the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, that's how that's why we need communities, because
I don't care how so awesome you are. You need
to be told by the group you know certain things
at all different times, Like I'm still I'm still rude
as fuck to people that are behind a counter because
I suffer from a problem called arrogance and self righteousness,
and I have expectations of the world that are just
not fucking realistic. So my people will corner me sometimes
with a black bag and a fucking long trip out
into the country. Say, dude, if you keep being an asshole,
you're gonna start drinking again, because you're not. You're not
You're not uprooting these character defects. They're still alive. And well,
you're like that drunk who just quit drinking and now
he's just the meanest son of a bitch in the
valley because he doesn't have as crutch as anymore. And
we seek to find those people and help them immediately
because we want their life to be good. And I
don't care how how you know you know, I don't
care how long you've had you know, as a successful adult,
you still need your boys to call you out. Launched
on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Pete, do you do you have any thoughts?
I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Well, the idea of the new guy getting in and
immediately you know, what's important is one for our you know,
when if it's AA, you want the guy in there
because obviously there's a problem. You want to help him
solve his problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're suffering.
Speaker 3: We need you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with with us, there is there. It's sort of
the same thing. But you also have to be because
of the way we have instructured you have to be
wary of people who are trying to infiltrate and things
like that. So Paladin was explaining at the beginning, how
you know, AA is basically solved for that when it
comes to people trying to infilstrate. So maybe talk a
little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, yeah, Like for example, uh, like when I
went to the first meeting, if I didn't know Pete
Canonis from the show, if I didn't hear Stormy's voice,
or if I didn't listen to news fists or you know,
any of the other content creators out there, I wouldn't
know who the fuck they are. I'd be in a
room full of strangers and people who are already confident
and already in the club. They don't remember what it
feels like to be like not knowing anybody. They know
they're in the right place, but they don't know who
to fucking talk to, and everybody's all busy talking to
each other. So there's that anxiety and stuff that if
left unattended, then guys like me show up. We bump
around like a fucking pin pund ball, like a pinball
off of all these bumpers, and and I walk away
feeling like, well, I was out a group. These are
technically my brothers, but I don't fucking know any of them.
And when I get in the long car ride back home,
I'm full of regrets or things I should have said,
or hey, I wish somebody would have just fucking you know,
came up and introduced me to some of the other people.
And that's a massive hole in the structure. And all
that has to be done is pointed out because I
know that anybody listening to what I just said is like, fuck, yeah,
you're exactly right, we really should do that. Now. In
terms of being cautious about infiltrated people, well, then you know,
it's just a simple met Look if I'm bumping into
ten guys there, and ten guys have said, oh, so
where are you're from? You know, and you go through
the normal process of like, hey, how did you hear
about us? Or hey, you know, you know, do you
listen to any of these shows? Or how did you
get involved with the group? Dude? After ten guys talking
to me and then you ten guys get together, Hey
did you talk to the new guy? What do you
think you got ten fucking minds going? I think he
sounded solid. What did you guys say? Yeah? I think
he's just came up here. He's looking for a group
to belonging to. He's a big fan of you know.
He was a farm or libertarian or whatever, you know,
and got washed ashore by that process, and he's trying
to pick up his life and and he sees the
same problems we see with the country, but he wonders
why nobody's fucking doing anything about it, you know, And
so he's he's one of us. Yeah, he just needs
to be incorporated into the group so that he can see, hey,
we got some really great people here working on these issues,
you know, and if he wants to become part of us, well,
then he's going to have to go through. You know.
It's it's like the closer you get to any like
right now, I'm just a super chatter. You know, I
have no authority over any group. There's nobody calling me
up going, hey, you know, we're going to try to
move our our bunker into uh uh, you know, into
the Smoky mountains. You know, no one's asking me the
shit like that. So but if I decided to get
registered with the chapter and start making decisions and communicating
with the media, and she'll like, you guys would want
to know who the fuck I am. And so you
rise up in these levels and at every level people
are like, you know, by the way, I would welcome
it because I'm already part of the group in spirit,
which means, hey, if I were them, I'd want to
know who the fuck I was, you know. So it's
my job to be transparent and it's your job to
be intelligent. And as long as I'm transparent and you're intelligent,
then you're gonna know who the fuck I am. And
you're gonna you're you're yeah, you're gonna you're gonna feel comfortable. Hey, Okay,
this is a good one. This one's a keeper, you know.
And so yeah, there's a process that the idea is
that I can fool one of you guys, but I
can't fool ten of you.
Speaker 3: I wonder how how long does the usual process take?
Speaker 2: In AA, Well, here's what they encourage. Okay, so you're homeless,
you just got to have a treatment center. You've had
the first fucking decent meal, you know, in a long time.
Here's all you know is that you can't quit drinking,
and you also can't start drinking. So as a sponsor,
I look for people that fully understand that nexus, you know,
that path in the road where they have no fucking
clue what to do because the only thing they know
how to do is try and quit or just talk
themselves into drinking again. And they can't do either. Both
of them are deadly. And so that's when I just go, hey, look,
we do have solutions for that shit. You gotta like
I would hand phone numbers, say hey, call me. Can
you stay sober for twenty four hours? Can you stay
sober for twelve? Can you stay sober for one? Okay?
And sometimes you just remember the world has to have
you have to have something in your life that's so
valuable that the world will stop for you, Like an
old lady getting beaten up in the street. Do you
walk by or do you just go? You know what,
I don't give a shit. I'm gonna stop this ere.
There's something in me that just is not going to
watch this happen. I don't give a fuck. If I
go to jail, you know, I'm just gonna get in there,
I'm gonna break it up because that's bullshit. So in AA,
we all have that, we have that one thing in
our lives that we everything of the world just stops.
We go, Hey, man, you know you need me way
more than I need you, and I'm here to do
what I need to do to help you out so
that you don't feel abandoned or alone and that you
have solutions. Now, if you tell us to fuck off, cool,
But you made that decision. It wasn't the fault of
the group. So I came to you. I offered you
my phone number. I said, let's go meet somewhere, let's talk.
And then then in that process I get to know
again what were you like, what happened, and why the
fuck are you here now? And usually this story is
pretty similar because we all come from the same well
of circumstances, just like nationalists. Exactly like nationalists. So right
off the bat, we have a ton in calm and
with nationalists. And so it's people that feel alone that
need to be part of a group because it kills
them that they're not part of the solution.
Speaker 3: And so you get what about where does where does
God fit into this? Because I know, really it's the
cornerstone of a well.
Speaker 2: Remember, you can't drink, but you also can't stop.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, it's a logical problem.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a logical problem, and that's when
so the first step it Yeah, a lot of people
get this wrong. So when I tell you, when I
describe these little steps, you're getting them. You're getting them
interpreted by a fucking expert. So don't let anybody tell
you shit because most people just have a hearsay understanding
of AA or they watched the Hollywood movie and they
think that AA means I'm drunk and I admitted I
had a problem. So I'm gonna go out and say
I'm sorry to everybody I met, everybody I did wrong too.
That's it. Raw camera fade, the black that's such bullshit.
That's not how it worked. So the first step is
that we admitted we're powerless over alcohol, that our lives
have become unmanageable. So that just means we can't have
any power over when to drink or when to stop.
We're fucked. That's what step one means. We're fucked on
two levels. One the drinking problem. I have no control
of it. How do I know that? Well, because I tried. Okay,
I fucking tried to quit. Here are the things we did. Okay,
here are some of the fucking things that we tried
to do. And uh, it goes through a list here
because it's trying to get you to see something. And
this is really important that transformation has to be vertical. Okay,
transformation has to be vertical. It can't just be trying
more of the same shit, which we do all the
time because we're kind of rudderless. And so where God
comes in is that we've tried every imaginable remedy when
we try to control our own drinking. Okay, it says
right here. In some instances there have been refrecovery, followed
always by a still worse relapse. Physicians or for who
are familiar with alcoholism agree there's no such thing as
making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. So it says,
here are some of the methods we tried. Just switching
to beer only, limiting the number of drinks, like hey,
I'm just gonna have three and then I'm gonna go home, okay.
Never drinking alone because hey, if I drink with a
bunch of guys, I won't get hammered, you know. Never
drinking in the morning, drinking only at home, never having
it in the house, never drinking during business hours, drinking
only at parties, switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only
natural wines, Agreeing to resign if drunk on a job,
taking a trip, or not taking a trip, swearing it
off forever with and without a solemn oath. I mean,
we all know what it's like to go Okay, God
damn it, I'm done. I'm fucking done. I'm never touching
that shit again. Glood glood, glove. You know. You know
they even talk about how we've all had that experience
of just telling our wives, look, man, it's over, I
get it, I gotta quit, and then we're calling her
from the bar two fucking days later, Meaning we don't
have any control. We only have the delusion that we
have control. So if you have no control over it,
and the priests can't help you, and Pete Canonas can't
save you, and and then the pastor can't save your wife,
for fuck's sake, can't talk you into it. You need
God and your life is unmanageable. You don't just have
a drinking problem. It's going to result in homeless, being fired,
divorce kids. You know, kids stop, you know, the kids
stop talking to you. Hell, I've had cats leave me.
Speaker 3: So so basically the purpose of the organization is actually
the development of men.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it starts with your relationship with God. Yeah,
an is your question. We're trying to live, we're trying
to live without God, and life is not that easy.
Life is rough for every person. Every person needs God.
You're either under the delusion that you have control over it.
Like I don't really need God. I've got it all
under control. You know, I'm not homeless. I still got
my new car, I'm making all my payments, my electric
hasn't been cut off yet. I'm not fucking homeless. My
wife still loves me. You know they call them high
bottom drunks. But the point is it's really just a
good spiritual exercise for anybody to question, Hey, am I
fucking crazy? Do I have it all under control?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And it's so the first step you have to involve God,
because God is the thing that you have to submit
your control too. And I'm going to steal one from
your stormy. You got the demon driving you around like
a fucking moped. You're just under the delusion that you're
doing the driving. It's actually perfect analogy. I will use
it one hundred fucking times. The delusion is that you're
in control of your life. But alcohol is a way
of grinding your issues into your face so long that
you finally just have to go, okay, I've had a
not So it's about surrender, Well, surrender to what. That's
where God comes in. Oh yeah, that's so. The logic
is clear. I don't control my life. I've proven it
time and time ask anybody who knows.
Speaker 3: But at some point in time we are going to
have to expect these young men to control their lives
in some respects because okay, so one thing I did
notice when meeting a bunch of the OGC men in person,
is that very few seem to be what I mean
integrated for lack of a better term, I mean like
spiritually and emotional of one thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their egos, they're not operating under a bunch of
false delusions. They pretty much got.
Speaker 3: Just not just not just ego, but as in like integrate.
The where they were mentally was not where they were
spiritually or where they were emotionally, or they weren't a
cohesive whole. Right. They may be very very tough and
you know, resilient in one respect, but that really being
a result of kind of neglecting the others. I don't
know if I'm making any sense.
Speaker 2: Peace, Oh dude, you make a perfect sense. So here's
what happens is because we don't get challenged.
Speaker 3: I want I want to I want to hear. I
want to hear what Pete has to say. Like I basically,
I think everyone there it could be equally as benefited,
not just from the brotherhood, the camaraderie, but also.
Speaker 1: Character development that comes with experience, right, and experiences being
around you have to be around people who have good,
good character, and they have to be willing to take you,
take them under take someone under their wing and just
show them, you know, the way you should act. And
I don't. I don't know that society does a really
good job of telling people how they are telling young
men how they should act as much as you like
the brother like the brotherhood of like growing up in
the church or something like that. Yeah, I'll look, yeah,
I look at someone like I'll put his name out there.
He can hate me. Jay Burden, yea is character intelligence,
knows how to act in every such I mean, he
grew up, he grew up in the church. He grew
up with an expectation that that's there was an expectation
that that's how he was going to act. I agree.
Speaker 3: Well, out of all the young men that have taken
a shine to me, I think I like Jay Burden
the most for exactly that reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rocketed pretty hard where polishing is not really
right hard right now. And I hope he doesn't you know,
that doesn't let this go to his head.
Speaker 3: But well I also know all the all the things
he's embarrassed about, so I mean, hopefully it doesn't go
too far to his head.
Speaker 2: Well, if it does, we have other guys that can say, hey, man,
what makes you valuable is that you have your ship together.
You are this.
Speaker 3: Little No other, no other guys can make Jay Burden's
hands grow. That's that's that you have to give up
to God.
Speaker 2: Okay, so so so the way you test your characters,
you say, okay, what are you doing about this problem?
So you say you got your ship to go? Well,
the IDF just kidnapped a girl, snapped her spine and
raped her for days. What are you gonna fucking do
about that? Is that gonna happen on your watch? That's
the one example of a million. And what happens is
we have large hordes of these guys that are running
our government. They're coming to fucking kill us. They're building
a prison for us. You see those boulders they're building.
You see them all stacking up those rocks. They're building
a prison for you. What are you gonna do, mister
shit together? Are you going to act? And if you're
not acting, you need AA, you need somebody to sit
you down and say, Okay, in the face of Catasta,
you see a spiraling group of clouds off in the
gulf and the wind is picking up. Are you boarding
up your house? No?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is actually very good point. I like to
jump in for a moment that this is actually one
of those things, well you just hit the nail. Had
about one of the things that I noticed, right, And
this is this is a thing that is an age
related thing, right because as maybe as you grow older,
maybe it's just my specific experience. Pete I know has
probably had similar experiences. But there is a point in
a young man's life where he knows he has agency
over some things and then believes he has agency over
all things. And the it's hard for them to conceptualize
things being out of their control or them not having
the ability to get out of something, you know, where
they would much you know when they really need to,
and there's not really a the strength there. I think
specifically in the fact that we are well OGC is
not a political organization, but I mean a lot of
us engage in dissident politics. Right. There is a very
good chance that our lives could be made extremely unpleasant,
and I think there's a lot of like negotiating like
I'm gonna take all of these steps. You do this
very well. You constantly remind everyone that it doesn't matter
how much opsect you think you have. It doesn't matter.
At any point in time, they can come ruin your life.
They already know who you are. It doesn't matter. There
are no steps that you can put in between you
and the millstone. All right. If the millstone wants, you
will be ground underneath it into a fine paste. And
I know particular because of like where I am professionally,
just like where I am in my life, and some
of the blessings that I've been able, you know, to
convince God I worthwhile love. I guess I needed to
be okay with all right, what is the worst case scenario.
The worst case scenario of opening my fucking mouth is
that all of this goes away. All right, I will
spend I will basically spend my fortune in legal fees.
That's highly likely. I will no longer be able to
have the reputation I have, therefore no longer able to
command the rate of compensation I do for my time.
So that's gone. So there's future income, right, all of
my relationships that I've curated, right, those professional leapfrogging that
it would have enabled me to have, I won't have
that anymore. No one is going to make a phone
call on my behalf to tell someone that they need
to bring me on board, they need to hire me right,
or convince them that I'm worthwhile I'm not going to
have that anymore, and my personal relationships will also likely
be destroyed. That is the worst case scenario. And when
you take the worst case scenario and you stare at
it for a long time and you say, am I
okay if this happens? Like? Am I okay with the
worst possible scenario happening to me? And if the answer
is yes, then I usually do it nine times out
of ten. If I'm okay with the worst possible outcome
of something, I will continue to go ahead. But this
one in particular carries the most risk because in our society,
the state has supreme power and no accountability and no
need to justify itself for its actions because there's an
anonymity in which the state exerts force. I I don't
think that. I don't think there's a lot of young
men that if the screws were ever put to them
in any type of way. I was joking with Jay
Burton and I said, I think going to jail at
least for a little bit, getting in some trouble getting
locked up, getting your you know, getting thrown in the
back of a squad car and handcuffs, having to call
a lawyer, getting bail, getting out, I think is a
very good experience, right, kind of like getting punched in
the face. Everyone should get punched in the face once,
in fact frequently, right, once a year minimum, unless you're
really old. And I see that because I don't think
that they themselves. And I think this is why I
find this conversation so attractive is because I think the
reason why I sensed a lot of reluctance for hardship
among I would probably say, like a coin toss, like
fifty percent of people there is because they did not
have And I think this is why Jay Burden is
such a good kid, is because he's he has a
very engaged family life, right. He is married, and he's
got a great relationship with his family and extended family.
He has a support structure. It exists, both friends and family.
A lot of the other people that I met that
I thought were extremely resilient, Thomas a good example of
that too. He has a support structure that exists. And
I think a lot of the men that were in
the chairs at the time in the time I was
there in Tennessee. Don't think even though they were among
people that were called brothers, I don't think that they
felt inside that they had that. And if there's one
thing that you know AA can do, if the AA,
you know, methodology or organizational stricture, if that could could
provide that in any way, I think that alone would
be a worthwhile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're survivors of a shipwreck. We got each other's back.
We are survivors of a shipwreck. We are sitting here
and the fucking hurricane is forming in the gulf. Let's
say I don't have enough money for lumber. Hey, Stormy,
thanks for helping me get the fucking lumber. So the
situation you describe involving the police and losing that only
occurs when you don't have fifty or one hundred or
five hundred people there to show up for you. When
you look behind you and there's no brave heart, Okay,
there's no guys in paint. Most of us talk as
if there's that army behind us. So we already have
the simple emotional mechanics straight. But because it's been removed
from us, we don't know how to function outside the
delusion that we actually have this extended network of family
and supporters, so we have to build it. That's what
we're talking about, because when Stormy gets in trouble, I
get a phone call, Pete gets a phone call, Burden
gets a phone call. So Stormy never has to fucking
deal with this shit by himself. And we all do
that for each other, and after a while we start
to feel almost like an organized group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but people will do that in the same place.
But what I find interesting about AA is that you
can travel anywhere and that same type of obligation exists. Well,
the members have the buy in. Yeah, it took them
time to Taiwan, right and write whatever. Some Taiwanese guy
is going to stop what he is doing and get
a couple other time with these guys to help me
go ahead and keep on going on my mission.
Speaker 2: Yes, if I can't speak, Yeah, they act, they take
action because they know what to do. They know what
to do. Hey, I'm a tourist. I'm probably one of
those crazy expats. You thought I'll come over to Thailand
and meet women and just drink through my retirement fund
and party, you know, because I because I work so
hard to get my pension and now I'm over in
Thailand because Rinse, they're gonna look at me and go,
I know exactly who you are, dude, and you're an alcoholic.
So here we're gonna put you in touch with some
people because here's what we know, and here's what you
know that this is not paradise unless you fucking quit drinking.
So we're here to help you if you want to.
And so there's a network there of people that understand
your situation. They know who the fuck you are. You
can't lie about it. And you think.
Speaker 3: Somebody doesn't want to do that, Like what happens is like, oh,
I don't. Is there an obligation for the membership to
go to bat for someone if they are a member
of AA from a different place. Is there an obligation?
So basically, what can get a senior person thrown out?
Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what type of
conduct is enforceable.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't get thrown out? And yeah, and this
is why we always start from the beginning, because remember
each and every individual came in drunk, sticky, broke, and confused,
and they were met with a sponsor who introduced them
to other people, and they worked these steps with him.
That means they sat down with them night after night
with a pen and paper, and they went over the
fucking areas of their life because they've already admitted, Hey,
I'm fucked without God. So now what do I do? Okay, well,
we examine all the things you did thinking you had
control over your life. So my point is, once he's
sponsored and on his way, he now built right into
the steps. Is dude, the reason why God made you
sober not so that you could play the Cowboys song
in reverse and get your dog back and get your
girl back and get your house back so you can
tell the rest of us to fuck off. No, your
whole The only relationship you have with God is that
he saves your ass so that you can save others.
That's the deal. This is not God's not a capitalist.
God's not a fucking American, and your soul has nothing
to do with any of these pseudo cultures. Your relationship
with God is like, Hey, you saved my life, and
I'm going to do in return because you've given me
the power to do that. Before I wasn't, I wasn't
of any use to anybody. I wasn't any use to
myself or anybody I cared about. But God literally came in,
touched me and fucking cured me. Well, if I want
to stay sober, I have to give this shit back.
I have to step up to I'm now a soldier
like I don't have my old identity. That's what a
vertical transformation is. I'm not the old guy. I've been
given a new lease on life, and there's a way
to fuck that up and a way to keep it.
But I can only keep it if I'm willing to
do these other things for other people, because that's how
the deal works. That's the metaphysics of the success of
spiritual growth, is that you give it back. And you
absolutely have to do that because the moment you have
one reservation, like I belong to like a twenty four
hour hotline. So if they called me up and say, hey,
there's a dude down at the bus station. He called
this up. We have your name on the list, so
we're calling you. Can you go down there and pick
him up? He says, he you know, he wants to
quit drinking. Can you at least do the thing. They
don't even need to tell me what to do I
know what to do. So I just go down there
and I meet the guy. So he made a phone call.
They called me, and next thing you know, I'm at
the bus station and it doesn't matter if I have well,
I can't come now because you know, it's fucking Saturday night.
You know, UFC is about the start. I have to go. Hey,
what's more important recovery? My relationship with God, which I
know for a fact exists because I live it every day.
I have to go do this, which means I record it. Okay,
there are simple solutions to all of these mental tricks
that you play because you just don't want to step
up to the plate. It's an inconvenient time or whatever.
What's my wife going to say? Or you know, And
when you look at the history of AA and how
it started, these guys opened up their houses, their lives,
they were you know, they were evangelized, they were they
had the Holy Spirit fucking cure them. And so there's
a motive. There's a motive. There's a reason why there's
going to be somebody at that AA group that looks
at me and says, hey, it's my turn to step
up to the plate. Just like the old lady getting
beaten up. The first thing you addressed is I want
to look around to see if there's other guys that
are going to help me, you know, because I don't
want to get my ass kicked. But I can't sit
there and watch this old lady get mugged. So I'm
going to go in there. I'm going to jump into
the fire. And what you find out is that God
provide things for you to protect you. You just don't
practice jumping into the fire enough. And AA is really
good at throwing this into the fire over and over again.
Because our fears become absolved. The fear says, don't take action,
and then the sponsor says, take it or else you're
going to fucking get drunk again. And I say okay,
and I do it. And guess what my fears were?
Just that fears, They weren't real. I went over there,
I grabbed a handbag, I gave the guy a fucked
up look, and he ran off running. Well, how did
that happen? I didn't have to engage in you know,
I didn't have to get stabbed, I didn't have to
get sued. I didn't know your fears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just thinking of how this is. I'm trying
to think of which way we can pair parallel this. Pete,
do you have any thoughts except the stuff about like go ahead?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily no, not right know, yeah, when you take
the action, you start to I just I feel like
I just don't want people to think that we're attacking
you know what what's existing now and what is you know,
what is progressing? Well?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Talking about ways. We're talking about ways to improve and
definitely to increase increase camaraderie, but not only to increase camaraderie,
but also to you know, help help the individuals that
are coming in on an individual basis. I mean, we
are a collective and collectivism is is more important than anything.
But you know, if you have if the more quality
individuals you have that are in a collective, the better,
the better it's going to be going forward.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we should spend some time training each
other and it can happen quite naturally. Like we have
Texas meetups, we have guys and I now have a
list of people in my own zip code. I have
a Telegram chat. I can say literally, hey, what are
we doing this Saturday or Hey, are we going to
meet at the La Model Aane next Tuesday like we
did last time. The thing is, they keep moving it
around and they keep switching an episode. It's hard for
guys like me who are willing to join. I kind
of had a habit there, like, Okay, great Tuesday night
at a La Model Ainge. But then you find out, well,
they moved it to the other side of town, so
I'm like, okay. So what we learned from that is
consistency helps. Consistency helps guys get together. If you can
meet at the same place on the same day twice
a week, that's way better than leaving it up for grabs,
so that nobody when Tuesday night rolls around, knows where
anybody's gonna meet. So that's a spiritual principle, which is
with you know, availability. You know, we need a lot
less people that are able and a lot more people
that are available. So availability is built into the system too,
and that's a teachable thing. So we teach each other, Hey,
be available, be predictable, be the guy that ever everybody
knows you're going to be there, and practice that all
the time, because that's how you found the people that
helped you is you walked into a place and you
saw the same guy that's been sitting in the same
chair every fucking Saturday night. And something magical happens. When
you are dependable, you attract people that need you. You know.
So these are there's, there's, there's there's a bunch of
these little spiritual tidbits that are built into the program
that teach you how to be a better fucking person.
Don't be the guy that shows up and then doesn't
show back up again. If you're gonna do this shit,
be consistent, because the benefits you get from being dependable
are that your relationship with God grows because you're learning
to do things that your mind told you you didn't
have to do. I don't have to show up every
Tuesday night. I don't have to be there all the time.
You know, it's like these are these are character defects,
and there are flaws in the way we live our
daily lives. Know that once you get a handle of them,
you're now living a life. Well. Now you start to feel, Wow,
God's driving this moped. It's not that fucking ARCon, It's
not that other entity. I start to feel more and
more in line with the fact that I've got something
keeping me sober, keeping me alive, and keeping me connected
with my guys. Why because I did the simple things.
I just showed up every Tuesday night like I'm supposed to,
even if nobody else shows up. You learn how to
do things because that's what you're supposed to fucking do
you know. And if the guys are listening, no, I
haven't been there because they kept changing the fucking date.
So so we have AA clubhouses. That's all they are.
They're just a clubhouse. Anybody at any time could just
go there and there's gonna be usually a lot of
the same people there, and then they have the big
meeting times where you get to meet a whole bunch
of different people. But the doors are open, the coffee
is made, you can show up. It's an oasis.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, I mean that's all right, that's the
AA structure. We don't have that right now. We don't
have the we don't have places set up so that
we're meeting all the time, that there's something open. So, yeah,
we got.
Speaker 2: Telegram groups, which are actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got telegram groups, But the I think really
one of the more important things to realize when you're
talking about this is something that you know, a lot
of people have realized, whether they think it's a positive
or a negative, is just how much in the last
five years and especially since twenty twenty that people they
have been driven either back to church or to church.
And some people can say that's good, some people can
say that's bad. Don't really don't really care.
Speaker 2: Picture situation.
Speaker 3: Hold on talk, Let'm talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when we're when we look at that, that
is definitely not something When I say this, it's going
to sound manipulative. That's something that we have to take
advantage of. And I don't mean that in a manipula
manipulatative way. I mean that in that it's obvious that
there were people seeking and there are other people out
there who just don't know what to do. They feel
the same pull towards there's something beyond me. I'm things
just you know, just aren't working out for me. Right now.
I've told this story, and it's anecdotal about how like
my wife's nephews and nieces are all in their early twenties,
they're all white heritage Americans, and they're fucking killing it,
buying houses, getting married and all this, and I hear
other people complaining that they can't do that, that they're
being shut out of it, And I wonder how much
of that is a spiritual problem where it's like they've
just given up. And when you're when your spirit is
alive within you, you don't give up. You're not. Yeah, yeah,
I mean sure Jews control wherein as Zionist occupied everything,
Yet people are still there. There are people out there
who are still thriving or like, I'm not going to
be defeated by this. I'm not going to use it
as an excuse and a sponsors. Yeah, and they so
they need you know, people need to be aware that
there are people here who are open to hearing what
you have to say about you know, you don't have
to be embarrassed. You don't if you were to approach
me and say, you know, I feel this this calling,
but I just don't know what church to go to
because I think all churches are full of shit. Well
that that's because they're filled with humans. Okay, I need
a sponsor. Allful it's not that they're all full of shit,
it's that you're just seeing the human flaws in them.
Speaker 2: That's what sponsors do. Yeah, that's what sponsors do. They
hold your hand through the process of getting from your disseminated,
disenfranchised world into a world that is cohesive and has
solutions and answers to this shit. Like if I moved
to Alabama, I said, man, I don't see any fucking
good churches. People come and say, hey, look where do
you live. Okay, go to this group. I go, Okay, great.
I went to that group. Oh I smiled at all
the girls, and none of them fucking waved back. Okay,
here's what here, here's where you gotta start. Okay, why
don't you show up every Sunday consistently give it ninety days,
you know, introduce yourself and just let God take care
of the rest. Just fucking be patient for ninety days.
You gotta let time work on your side. Most people
don't know how to do that. They don't know how
to have they don't and how to live their life
in ninety day increments. There's something pretty special about ninety
days for the human soul, for the human body. There's
a ninety day rhythm there that I don't need to prove,
but it's there. So when you go to a new place,
you know, give yourself. Like I told myself at the
OGC meetings, like, hey, you know, these things take time.
I learned that from integrating myself into AA groups. You
don't get everybody to drop what they're doing and pay
attention to you. Sometimes you just need to be the
guy that shows up. Then they recognize that you're here
for a reason, and then the relationships develop, and then
you get phone numbers and then you start meeting people up.
It's a gradual process, but the group's there for you.
You know, the group's there for you. So right now,
as a group, we all see this hurricane off in
the Gulf, and we keep waiting for somebody else to
fix it, or we don't know what to do or
how to fix it, or all of our solutions are delusional.
So when you have groups together and you talk about
this with twenty other guys that are probably smarter than you,
you start to realize, hey, we have some really good
ideas here. We can start this process of learning how
to deal with the fact that this hurricane's coming and
it's gonna blow our fucking houses down if we don't
board things up, get some sandbags. We need the community
to help us and everybody start working together, because guess what,
it's a fucking hurricane. You know, we just don't. We
see the signal, but we don't react. And when we
try to react, we feel alone. We look behind us
looking for that army of like minded people, but they're
not there. So that's why we just say, okay, let's
just let the lady get robbed. You know, I don't.
I can't stick my neck out. I can't be the
only guy. I'm telling you, man, that's a massive problem.
People don't feel connected to a larger group. Structures like AA,
structures like the OGC structures like you know, the they work.
They get people out of and into a community. That
is important.
Speaker 1: This is something that we had in this culture before
you know, the New Deal and things like that, where
people were just handed free money. You know, you had
Italian American organizations. You basically had churches that they did
this job. They were the ones who they they took
people under their wing. They helped people if they were
in trouble, but they also did they were also there
to help and to help people grow it. I mean
like a lot of these organizations were there to help
people become Americans, especially if they had like just come,
if they had just come off the boat, if they
had just to help people become Americans. We don't have
that anymore. And that's what we need. That's what we're
going back to. That's the that's why you're you form
a fraternity, you form something like this, You formed this
because that's been completely lost. It's been it's been written
out of our history. We don't even talk about mutual aid.
Societies aren't even talked about anymore. Ethnic you know, ethnic
community groups aren't even talked about anymore. And the reason
why is because the government said, oh no, we can
do all that. Well, when the government does it, it
derascinates you because you're you know, you're talking to people
who speak like you, and sound like you and look
like you, and they're teaching you how to fit into
this culture and how to become you know, the people
become somebody who is going to be an American.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a Bible in every hotel. How
come everybody is not a Christian? Well, we had them Bibles, yeah,
and then we left them alone, you know.
Speaker 3: We On that note, I was listening to your stream
with Darryl and and Thomas by the way, which is
amazing in everyone everyone needs to go listen to. And uh,
thank you Darryl for the kind words, and yes, you
are correct, it was patriotism. Took a lot to grieve.
But you guys touched on a question I'll save for
another day. But I think, and maybe you and I
have to talk privately about this first, but I think
I might have an answer to Daryl's question of who
are people are? Who an American is as far as
a political definition that we can use going forward, an
answer that's useful and in a way that basically puts
our enemies in a real bind pushing up against So
maybe that's a conversation for another time. But really what
we're talking about now is kind of brushing up on
the same thing again, which kind of proves his point
defining like who are guys are? Both are? Who are
who are our base is right? Who are we doing
these things for? Right? So outside of the group, and
who are we doing these things with inside the group?
And I think what we've been talking about tonight is
inside the group stuff. And I'm curious to see how
these type of strategies would play when applied to outside
the group people. Right, So, one thing that is phenomenal
about the OGC is its ability to execute successfully. I
don't want to call it. I don't even want to
call it community outreach. It actually like it doesn't get
talked about as much anymore because it's been quite a
long time since it's happened. But the thing that impressed
me most out of everyone involved in the OGC and
out of how fast it's growing, these are all very
impressive things, but what you guys did in the hurricane
was what sold me and some of the guys, whether
hopefully they're listening to this, grew up in just that
period because of the types of hardships that they were
forced to see in doing the cleanup, and you know
basically that has that in doing that outreach a the
OGC was impactful in its community in a real tangible
way that people can point to that people feel blessed
by receiving. And also the members that took part in it,
I don't want to say that they weren't prior, but
they definitely on the other side of it, came out
what I would definitely consider a man in fully integrated form.
They had encountered such a level of hardship that they
were changed both internally in a way that manifested itself externally. Right,
Like you take the kid, you know that's going off
to war, like seventeen or eighteen. You see his picture,
and then you see his picture two years later after
he comes back off his first rotation, and they look,
you know, facial feature wise identical. But you look at
these two pictures and you don't think they're the same person.
It's like a different person is staring back at you.
So an internal change just happened to such a degree
that an external change that is hard to quite put
your finger on, but is there exists. And I think
that's some of the hardship I was talking about earlier,
and how that does the ability you know, certain people
you could just see like have had it already internally
in their lives prior to joining. But also I think
we should probably touch on the ability to generate that
actually through the group. Right, So, like that type of hardships,
type of hardness that was created inside the guys that
took part in that in North Carolina, that was actually
developed in the setting of the OGC to them, the
most pivotabal moments of their lives happened as part of
the group, and I don't think that would ever ever
leave that person, and the type of binding agent that
that would have would be very similar to Paladin's. How
Paladin feels about AA and the indescribable impact it has
had and the fidelity he has to that organization. I
think the boys that took part in the rescue effort
North Carolina have a similar type of relationship with the
old Glory Club now. So I think that that seems
to be like the sweet spot where I'm able to
harmonize what the OGC is now and some of the
aspects you are talking about and you're suggesting because the
end result is a more complete, more hardened, more integrated
person that is not just better because the group made
him better through helping him and working through all his bullshit,
but actually because of the group itself. In working through
the group, he is now He has both his brothers
have both made him a better person, but he has
also made himself a better person through through his service
to them. And I think we can't, you know, have
a bunch of hurricanes all the time, but there's a
mechanism there. There's something they're worth pulling at.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's called service work. Yeah, it's all built into aasha.
So the first thing we do is we keep the
guy busy and volunteering. It's like, hey, go down to
Salvation Army, or help these guys move, or this lady
needs some help with you know, with whatever, or you
know what we need coffee made tell you what. They
gave me the keys to a church and they said
you need to be there a half hour early every
Tuesday and every Thursday for a year, and you got
to close the church down. So of course my instinct, well,
I got my busy ass life, I got you know,
I'm such an important person, like I don't have time,
and they just made me do it. And you grow
and you learn, and you argue with yourself, you tell
yourself how much you hate fucking doing this, and then
every time you get there, you're like, wow, I'm really
glad I did this. Something about doing service work, taking action,
stepping up to the plate, getting out of your comfort
zone and doing shit for other fucking people, it's so
spiritually necessary to like I was not able to get
down there, I probably would have been if I had
twenty guys that I knew that could maybe help me
watch my dogs. You know, if I had had my
shit together, i'd have had two other employees that could
have taken over. So all I could do is write checks,
you know. But it's like the checks are not convenient.
People call up and they say, look, we need you know,
ten thousand dollars or five thousand dollars or three thousand dollars.
You know, I'm in the process of looking at a
new guitar because I only have nine, you know, I
need even ten. You know. But there's something about going,
fuck it. These guys need my help way more than
I need it. So you just do it. And the
more uncomfortable it is, the better it feels. So these
are just character issues, man, these are character issues. There's
a guy that went down there and spent a lot
of his own fucking money, and in a group, he'd
have people sending him checks just blindly, just anonymously saying, hey,
you were one of those guys that like drained your
fucking savings trying to help these people. I got your back.
I'm one for Turnity Brothers.
Speaker 3: Pete. How many how many donations did you facilitate? God?
Only those.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty to
twenty five tho. We got we got tents there just
in time. I mean that was just me, me facilitating
the doing it. It was you know, everybody else who
was It's all the people who were giving that, you know,
That's what's most important, was the people who gave. And
we were able to get that there, get the stoves
there and the tents there, you know, for when the
freeze was coming in. But yeah, I mean this is
those guys went down there, you know, shout out to
Melan and Jay Ford.
Speaker 2: Was thinking of mel j Ford, I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not me, not you. Was one of the
first people there, and he really set up the system. Yeah,
you know, I helped to set up the system that
that went that they used. But I mean Melan and
j Ford were spending they were spending weeks there. There
was months there, and yeah, you know when I talked,
when I talked to them, you know, they they're just
I don't know what they were like before they did that,
but they're just they seemed to me wise beyond their
years now.
Speaker 3: And when I talked, I had a conversation with Melan
and Tennessee. And I don't want to put him on
the spot, but I think that was probably one of
the most formative experiences, at least of his life going forward,
when he like, when something terrible happened to Melon in
the future, which it will, no doubt, you know, happen.
It's going to happen to all of us, you know,
bad things. I am an extremely unlucky person. So I
may have had like a lot for like my age,
but I know I'm going to have a lot more.
And I have my moments that I can dig down,
you know, from the past that I can dig up
when I need strength. You know, like you got through
this already. This here, whatever you're stressed about, this is bullshit.
This doesn't matter. And I think that time in North
Carolina will be in infinite will of strength for him
going forward in his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need that water table that just marks the
lowest spot and once you're there, everything else is uphill.
Like I've you know, I've jumped out of a fucking
plane before. I'm like, you know, hey, come on, be honest,
why are you being such a chicken shit about this
one little thing?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: You jumped out of a fucking plane. You're like, yeah,
I did, so it makes the next challenge a little easier.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, I've been homeless for fucking months and years.
It's like, what are they going to do to me? Like,
you know, I mean, once you've lived a certain life,
it's pretty easy to just go, oh, yeah, okay, well no,
I don't need ninety nine percent of the shit I
have because I survived quite fine on one percent, and
so it's easier to just step up to the plate
each time. And you know what you're you're an instrument of.
Speaker 3: Is there a regimented process that AA has for how
much for doing community service? Is there like an order
of operations? Do they have certain groups that they help out?
Basically tell me how that work is assigned?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it can, Like we have people that go
out to prisons all the time. A lot of it's
just like, look, some people are going to fight that process.
They don't know how to do it. So the sponsor's
job is to just say, hey, well.
Speaker 3: Multilely, by the time they find the OGC, they will
want to do it. Because I mean, you have to
already be in the game to know we exist. But
let's just say that they've already found it and already
want to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, that's well, there's no limit to that.
You can do whatever you want. We have people that
don't work anymore. They're retired, so one hundred percent of
their life is either sponsoring guys, which takes time out
of your day a lot. It involves getting in the
car and meeting with people and doing stuff. It involves
sitting down with them and listening to their stories and
writing out a bunch of inventory, which is just the
process of getting that person to see how toxic their
life really is. Because we have the equivalent of confession,
only it goes a little bit one step further in
the sense that when we look at our lives, we've
got to be able to find out exactly what the
nature of our wrongs is. And it's not because I
stole twenty bucks out of the till. The problem's way
deeper than that. So when you start to integrate service work,
it becomes it's like, hey, this is how this is
how I stay humble, this is how I remind myself
on a daily The basis that it's not the devil
driving the fucking moped. You know, I have a new driver.
You know, you know it's like and this is the
life I live now because as I continue to do this,
I get rewarded and now things I used to fear
I no longer fear things I used to dread about
the past. I'm totally at peace with things that you
used to see.
Speaker 3: There's some there's some things I think are really interesting
about as as far as like the as far as
being humbled has to do with it, because you're going
to have as this grows, you're going to I mean,
just just from what I saw and just some of
the people that I talked to, like Ron Dohnson also
fantastic guy. Everyone, uh, everyone should be very thankful that
run Grace's is periodically with with his takes and his insights.
He's a very smart dude. But he and I have
like come from a finance background. You had guys that
were nurses, your guys that are in between jobs, and
creating a place where everyone is at the same I mean,
in any other social setting, there would be barriers between
me and the guy without a job, even if we
never even if neither of us ever mentioned it. You
know that would exist, and I think it's very important
to remove those. I don't know if Pete am I
making any sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, you are the the having people
like him around. Yes, that that's what's important. That's I
think that's why we're trying to have more calls, you know,
where we get together and we talk to invite people
like like ron On to talk and get his opinion
on things like that, and people like like Heywood and
other people because going forward, well, I mean they have
they have experienced I mean, these let's just call them elite.
I mean, these are these are some of the elites
of the elite. So yeah, yeah, I mean I know,
I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Well, if Stormy knows a lot about money and has
a history of finance, teach guys that don't know shit
about how to get their lives in order financially, like,
just teach them how to do it. You know, just say, hey,
Tuesday night, I'm having a fucking seminar. Like I know
a lot of shit about certain things. I would just
gladly give my fucking time. Like like literally, if I
lived in an actual zip.
Speaker 3: Code, yeah, it's like, well it's for you.
Speaker 2: You will feel amazing about it. It's like, yeah, you
will feel amazing about it because we're answering the questions
where does service work fit in? Where does God fit in?
This is how you do that is you get the
fuck out of yourself and you stretch yourself beyond the
comfort zone because your comfort zone. That that's how that's
how the devil drives your fucking moped because you're.
Speaker 3: Comfortable on next uh, next Thursday night, I'll have to actually, no, sorry,
it'll have to be two weeks from now, but maybe
I will do something like that. That's a very good idea.
Speaker 2: He comes out and he says, look, are you guys
trying to do any type of community organizing? Are you
battling with some level of bureaucracy? Are you one of
those guys that's trying to maybe get a city council position?
Call me, I know the fucking ropes. I can probably
help you or direct you to people that can help you.
I've got family and friends that are running for a
city council position in Seattle. And based on the last
OGC speech, the one I really paid attention to was
the one where they were talking about how, look, you
can't just flee to the fucking country. We need our
guys in the city trying to influence the political machine
on a local level so that life for the people
out in the country is bearable. You know, I would
love to move to Washington State, but not if Seattle
and Salem are full of a bunch of blue haired psychos.
Because no matter how I tried to live my life
in the country, there's if the city's not fixed, And
how do we get our guys to influence the city.
What people like prudential Iss say, fucking call me and
I'll help you. That's what the networking is. It's like,
I don't know how to do this, but I know
a guy who knows a guy gee, who's really famous
for knowing how to do that. These are basic signs
that you have your shit together as a group. Is
that people are not left alone. I'm trying to buy
a house. I've never bought a house. Does anybody here
know how to fucking buy a house without getting totally fucked?
You know, does anybody know how to do that? And
people will be like, yes, we do. Call this guy.
You know, I'm at the fucking break check and they said,
I need thirteen thousand dollars worth of breakwork. Call Andy,
see if that estimate makes sense, you know. You know,
so everybody's got their area that they're pretty good at
and they can they can contribute because I need a butcher,
a baker, and a fucking candlestick maker. Why because I'm
a mechanic. You know, I don't know anything about butcher
and baking or candlestick making. So I need the people
in my community to help me in the areas that
I don't know about. And when everybody does that for
each other, it's pretty simple. You now have a You
now have this thing called power that we claim we
don't have any of. Well, you know, that's where it
comes from.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just networking, you know, and you got to have
people that are willing to answer the phone and drop
what they're doing and help a brother out. Sometimes it's
just guidance, Sometimes it's advice. Sometimes I go through my
Rolodex and I say, hey, you're in Arkansas, call this dude,
and then shit happens, you know, And that's service work.
That's just being available and fucking addressing the fact that
this guy needs somebody in the group to help him.
With something that he has no experience in. He doesn't
need to be a master of all trades. He's got
friends that are butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers, so he
can focus on fixing transmissions. You know, I don't need
to learn how to be a real estate agent. You know,
I can call somebody in our group that says, hey,
I'm going to be buying some property over here. This
is what I want to do. I want to retire there,
but I don't know how to buy a fucking house.
I watch a couple videos and they just automatically mentioned
ten things that I never would have looked for. So
I'm out of my league. I want to talk to
somebody that's in their league, and that way I don't
run into a bunch of fucking complic Because I want
to be useful for the group. I'm not useful to
the group if I'm constantly having to learn the hard
way how to get basic shit in my life done,
like money, relationships, marriage, property. You know, if I don't
know how to do any of that stuff, then my
contributions to the group are hugely diminished. But if I've
got people helping me with those things, now my excess
is fully at the disposal to the OGC because I'm
now my problems are solved, because you guys help me.
Now I have no problems. Now I can start solving
other people's problems. You know. It's just a it's a
contagious effect. And it starts with that fraternity. It starts
with the character building, It starts with the network, and
it starts with people learning basic shit about stewardship and
community and service work and hey, are we in this
together or not? Because when I look behind me, I
want to see some brave heart looking motherfuckers behind me
because I'll be there for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should end it right there. We can,
we can keep going, and I think we'll be uh
repeating a lot of what we already what we what
we've already reiterated. I think there's a lot there to
chew on, and probably a lot there to upset everybody.
Upset something there to upset everyone, and also hopefully to
make people think and to give people ideas for going forward,
because we're not going to We're not going to be
able to get through this unless we can come together.
But in order to come together, we also need UH
need high quality people and the first. I'm the first
person to admit that, you know, I'm far from perfect.
I'm there's nothing, there's nothing perfect about me. But I
hope that i'm uh, that I'm still teachable and that
I can keep learning.
Speaker 2: Well, we need marines in this spiritual warfare.
Speaker 3: You know, you read a lot of books, Pete, You're
definitely able to keep learning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I don't have to read all that shit. I
can call Pete, you know, give me, give me the gist. Well,
I mean, I'm now smarter and I can have conversations
with other people because I didn't do all the fucking work.
I literally inherited the gist. You know, it's another thing.
A lot of us we don't need. The historical deep
dives are great for the intellectuals, but a lot of
us just need to know what's the fucking story. Like
Stormy was talking about, you know, who are we as
the people? I'd like to answer the first question, which
is whose fucking house is this that we live in?
Is this ours? And if it's ours, well then that's
a totally different course of action that we need to take.
If it's not ours. I was proposing that maybe we
handle our issue like a union, but you know, like
a union fighting a corporation that seems to be more
directly analogous and provides a whole avenue of solutions if
we treat the fact that this is not our house anymore,
that it's been sold and is now owned by new
people that don't have our interests at heart. So how
do unions get the attention of a corporation? I think
that's how heritage Americans are going to have to negotiate
this thing, much like a union and union history is
full of fucking solutions, and like right now, the UFC
is going through this like right now as we speak.
We have court documents, we have It shows you the
mind of these people that rule us, you know, just
to learn what their actual attitude is. This is how
they treat us, This is what they think about us.
We need to know that, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Think we know, Yeah, I think we I don't think
you're going to get a better spot than right there
and end on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Stormy has to get out
of here. So I appreciate you, Stormy talk you man,
hey man, taking the taking the time because I know
you're busy.
Speaker 3: Now I'm in Pakistan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And in Pakistan, I'm going to go to the
that market up in the up in the mountains on
the border of Afghanistan and uh shoot some rpds.
Speaker 3: Later, I'm gonna see if somebody can lend me a
mule and get on up there. All right, gentlemen, I'm
gonna stop the seven by seven, six two by thirty
nine crisis in the US.
Speaker 2: All right, great show, guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, everybody, don't don't leave the chat until everything upload,
so I'm gonna end up're recording right now. Thank you.
Really enjoyed it. Take care.