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all right. I'm here with Palette and YYZ and Stormy

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and we as a lot of these things happen, We've

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already jumped into a big conversation and should have been

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recording it. So let's run back on that. Okay. So,

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Palette and you and Stormy were going back and forth,

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and basically we're talking about structure of organizations, and you're

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bringing an organization here which you advocate for and which

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you think is a useful structure when we're looking to organize.

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So I'm just going to let you go, and you know,

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and Stormy, can you and Stormy can go back and forth?

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I'll interject, just go guess sure.

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Speaker 2: So as an introduction to the audience, what I have

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noticed is that there are templates out there for organized groups,

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and one of the best ones I know of and

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can speak with some expertise on, is the structure of AA. Now,

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whenever you're trying to build a cohesive group where there's

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no miscommunication and everybody on board has the same shared

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principles and common goals, it's really important to have the

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culture built into that and to have the language built

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into that, so that none of us ever feel like

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we're always having to juggle everybody else's interpretation of what

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we're about. So when I was in AA, I was

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introduced to a system that has been hammered out since

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the thirties, and it's survived, and it's transnational, it's global.

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So I can go to a meeting in Singapore or

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Japan or Alabama, and everybody there knows who I am.

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Everybody there knows what I'm about, and I know exactly

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who they are and what they're about. Now, we don't

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have complicated conversations dissecting the rules, or we don't have

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any miscommunication as to who we are, what we're all

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doing here, and what our game plan is. It's just

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automatically built in and it takes a culture over time

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to build that, and I know the OGC is striving

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for that. I know for a fact that that's what

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they want, and so I'm just discussing.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a perfect model for a decentralized organization. It is.

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Speaker 2: It's the best I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I agree with that. I've never actually

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thought about that as a type of organization, because of

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course we're all very one. We're all we're in a

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political state of mind because we are dealing with political

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problems and therefore the organizations we would look to mimic

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our political ones in nature, but that may not be

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the necessary way to go.

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Speaker 3: Of the box? Thinking, Yeah, if this is a startup

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and this was pitched to me, you would have my attention.

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one of the things that's first and foremost. Remember there's

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a hierarchy to this logic. It flows beautifully and everybody

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who I tell this to completely understands it. They don't

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need to understand Latin or Aramaic or anything. When I say, look,

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it deals with It starts off with the character of

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the man. Because without each one of us as individuals

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aligning ourselves with some type of higher power or a

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god in our lives, that we find that we're pretty

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much aimless. And everybody's compass says something fucking different, and

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that just causes chaos.

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Speaker 3: Is the areas. So I am combative against paganism. For

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any of the listeners that are like in here for

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politics and stand listening to me because I say interesting

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stuff or so they find interesting, but they hate the

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problem with paganism, right, yeah, and what's even Everyone wants

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to believe whatever they want to believe. You know, no

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exactly what roughly my value set is. And it's yeah,

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group of others so called nationalists, only to find out

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that you spend hours discussing what you mean by it

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hammer into people's head you can't have societies without a God,

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like they just need to get over that, because God

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forms the thing that aligns and keeps us all in

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the same shape. And then it becomes a big question

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about who's God. I'm like, look, dude, this is this

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has been figured out. This is not a complicated thing.

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spend all my time arguing about fucking Thor or the

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Earth or Mother Earth or you know, arconic influence and

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stuff like that's actually kind of a good one.

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Speaker 3: We can get into that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So now it's just like, hey, what are we

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all doing here? And by the way, who the fuck

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are you? And what is your relationship to God? And

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so AA starts off there with the individual man and

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he and the individual man soon figures out I don't

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know how to be this guy, this trooper, this soldier

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because I'm kind of a mess in my own life.

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I suffer from a lot of delusions. I suffer from

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a lot of confusion, and I need the group to

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help me hammer myself into shape so that I am

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a functioning member of a fucking awesome group. And it

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starts with the individual. So they have they just have

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a system where the individual comes to grips with himself

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and when he's done with that process, he now knows

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we can use the OGC as a examples. So what

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does it mean to be a guy in the OGC. Well,

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you know, we have a banner, we have a mission statement,

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you know, and but when we meet privately, we all

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need to understand that we have basic ideas that are

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all rock solid and require no discussion amongst ourselves. The

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complicated discussions are for the recruits the people outside the group.

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to communicate to the outside world what we're like on

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the inside. But once we're inside the group, it should

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be a smooth, cohesive process that produces brotherhood and fraternity

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because no one's fucking arguing about you know.

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a new member and then a whole bunch of senior members.

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with seniority, with hierarchy, how would that play out?

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it or not, this is a great one. AA has

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nothing to do with alcohol. Okay, I'm gonna say that again.

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AA has nothing to do with alcohol. So if you're

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the one thinking, well, we can't use AA because let's

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say the individuals going well, I'm not an alcoholic. So

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what it does is AA deals with insanity, It deals

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with delusion, and it deals with the idea that you

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you have brought into a lot of bad truths that

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don't work in your life, and that could be anything

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from hey, I can't save money or I have trouble

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finding a job, or my relationships never seem to work out.

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about fraternity issues where men and groups can assist each

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other and say, hey, this is how you do it.

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you realize they don't even understand how to save money.

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them basic shit. No one taught them how to get

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along with an employer. No one taught them to look

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at themselves and go, these are all the things I

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do that keep fucking up my game plans for my

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own personal life. And so what we need are strong guys.

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Strong guys don't just get produced naturally. Being a member

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does not make you a strong guy. Being a member means,

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you know, have access to strong men who can make

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you a s strong guy. And everybody fucking needs help

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with that. Everybody needs help with that. So we want

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strong guys because that builds. Real community. Is when everybody's

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gone through the initiation and the process, and you know

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they've looked at their lives and they've they've separated the

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wheat and the chaff like a balance sheet. You know,

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and just create two columns like an inventory, like, hey,

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these are the character traits I have that haven't been

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fixed in years, and I don't know how to fix them,

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you know, whether it's attention to detail, time management, saving money,

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you know, organizing my business, or hiring people, these are

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all things. It's like, man, I need fucking help with

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these things. And a good sponsor will say, well, what

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have twelve simple steps where they start, of which about

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six are necessary. And that's that's six things I'm gonna

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teach you, and that will help you rid yourself of

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all the internal contradictions that keep you from being just good,

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a good man of good character, you know, and that's definable.

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the way you conduct yourself, you know, I can tell

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by the things you complain about. I can tell by

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the way you talk about what you think are the

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problems and what are the solutions. It's like none of

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us are on the same page because our characters as

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individuals are not They're not coherent, So it's becomes this

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free for all. And the purpose of a real group,

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a real community is to hammer out the individual so

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that they are all on the same page and that

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new member comes in, right, just became a member. Yeah,

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you're welcome all of this. Yeah, but who's the priority?

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senior members and a new person and doesn't matter where

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this group is. If you are a new person that

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walks into the Singapore AA or you're the one that

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walks into you know, the mobile Alabama AA, it doesn't

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matter because again the process is regimented, which again I

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really like. But you said that the attention of the

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group is on the newest member. So the focus of

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the most senior members aren't amongst themselves, but actually in

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developing the newest member, and that is always going to

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Speaker 2: That's where the strength is because it goes on a

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principle one of vigilance, which is, hey, we don't want

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people in this group that we haven't made welcome and

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introduced ourselves to. We want that to feel as much

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a part of this group as soon as possible, because

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we are extending real gifts that come from real groups,

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which is, hey, we got your back. You're one of

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us now, So there's that sense of fraternity, and we're

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not going to just ignore you. We're not going to

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watch you sit in the back and not have anybody

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introduce themselves to you. We're not going to watch you

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sit by yourself while we're all eating dinner. These things

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You welcome the fucking new guy, and you answer his

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questions and you help him out, and we give each

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other phone numbers like that say hey, that way, when

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you leave here, you're still in contact and we pick

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that way that new member automatically feels welcome. He already

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Speaker 3: You can't accomplish anything without a support structure.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, you have to have that. And and

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the new guy is the guy that needs all the attention. Yeah,

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they're like, you know, the senior members, they already got

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shit figured out. They already have all the friends. You know,

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they already have people lining up to sign their book

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or to buy their book, or to talk to him

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for three seconds. Oh wow are you Stormy? Wow? Holy shit,

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I've heard you on the podcast, you know. So people

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are already trying to find you, But you're not trying

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to find the brand new guy, whereas in AA they

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do put a huge emphasis that way. The guy who's

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at the book signing drops what he's doing and says, hey,

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I see that guy over there. As anybody made this

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guy feel welcome, Has anybody you know introduced themselves? He

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looks like he's wandering around, you know, and so yeah

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that immediately they just bring him into the fold. You

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get everybody into the fold as far.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I just felt I just felt a fucking scene

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right there, and not in a good way.

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Speaker 2: Well that's how everybody, That's howverybody does.

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Speaker 3: Sure you remember the Tennessee thing. You literally just just

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called me the fuck out.

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Speaker 2: Well, dude, that's how that's why we need communities, because

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I don't care how so awesome you are. You need

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to be told by the group you know certain things

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at all different times, Like I'm still I'm still rude

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as fuck to people that are behind a counter because

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I suffer from a problem called arrogance and self righteousness,

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and I have expectations of the world that are just

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not fucking realistic. So my people will corner me sometimes

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with a black bag and a fucking long trip out

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into the country. Say, dude, if you keep being an asshole,

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you're gonna start drinking again, because you're not. You're not

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You're not uprooting these character defects. They're still alive. And well,

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you're like that drunk who just quit drinking and now

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he's just the meanest son of a bitch in the

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valley because he doesn't have as crutch as anymore. And

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we seek to find those people and help them immediately

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because we want their life to be good. And I

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don't care how how you know you know, I don't

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care how long you've had you know, as a successful adult,

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you still need your boys to call you out. Launched

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on a daily basis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Pete, do you do you have any thoughts?

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I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Well, the idea of the new guy getting in and

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immediately you know, what's important is one for our you know,

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when if it's AA, you want the guy in there

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because obviously there's a problem. You want to help him

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solve his problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're suffering.

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Speaker 3: We need you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with with us, there is there. It's sort of

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the same thing. But you also have to be because

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of the way we have instructured you have to be

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wary of people who are trying to infiltrate and things

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like that. So Paladin was explaining at the beginning, how

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you know, AA is basically solved for that when it

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comes to people trying to infilstrate. So maybe talk a

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little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, yeah, Like for example, uh, like when I

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went to the first meeting, if I didn't know Pete

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Canonis from the show, if I didn't hear Stormy's voice,

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or if I didn't listen to news fists or you know,

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any of the other content creators out there, I wouldn't

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know who the fuck they are. I'd be in a

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room full of strangers and people who are already confident

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and already in the club. They don't remember what it

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feels like to be like not knowing anybody. They know

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they're in the right place, but they don't know who

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to fucking talk to, and everybody's all busy talking to

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each other. So there's that anxiety and stuff that if

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left unattended, then guys like me show up. We bump

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around like a fucking pin pund ball, like a pinball

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off of all these bumpers, and and I walk away

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feeling like, well, I was out a group. These are

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technically my brothers, but I don't fucking know any of them.

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And when I get in the long car ride back home,

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I'm full of regrets or things I should have said,

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or hey, I wish somebody would have just fucking you know,

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came up and introduced me to some of the other people.

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And that's a massive hole in the structure. And all

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that has to be done is pointed out because I

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know that anybody listening to what I just said is like, fuck, yeah,

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you're exactly right, we really should do that. Now. In

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terms of being cautious about infiltrated people, well, then you know,

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it's just a simple met Look if I'm bumping into

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ten guys there, and ten guys have said, oh, so

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where are you're from? You know, and you go through

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the normal process of like, hey, how did you hear

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about us? Or hey, you know, you know, do you

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listen to any of these shows? Or how did you

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get involved with the group? Dude? After ten guys talking

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to me and then you ten guys get together, Hey

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did you talk to the new guy? What do you

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think you got ten fucking minds going? I think he

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sounded solid. What did you guys say? Yeah? I think

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he's just came up here. He's looking for a group

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to belonging to. He's a big fan of you know.

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He was a farm or libertarian or whatever, you know,

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and got washed ashore by that process, and he's trying

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to pick up his life and and he sees the

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same problems we see with the country, but he wonders

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why nobody's fucking doing anything about it, you know, And

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so he's he's one of us. Yeah, he just needs

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to be incorporated into the group so that he can see, hey,

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we got some really great people here working on these issues,

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you know, and if he wants to become part of us, well,

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then he's going to have to go through. You know.

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It's it's like the closer you get to any like

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right now, I'm just a super chatter. You know, I

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have no authority over any group. There's nobody calling me

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up going, hey, you know, we're going to try to

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move our our bunker into uh uh, you know, into

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the Smoky mountains. You know, no one's asking me the

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shit like that. So but if I decided to get

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registered with the chapter and start making decisions and communicating

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with the media, and she'll like, you guys would want

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to know who the fuck I am. And so you

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rise up in these levels and at every level people

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are like, you know, by the way, I would welcome

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it because I'm already part of the group in spirit,

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which means, hey, if I were them, I'd want to

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know who the fuck I was, you know. So it's

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my job to be transparent and it's your job to

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be intelligent. And as long as I'm transparent and you're intelligent,

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then you're gonna know who the fuck I am. And

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you're gonna you're you're yeah, you're gonna you're gonna feel comfortable. Hey, Okay,

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this is a good one. This one's a keeper, you know.

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And so yeah, there's a process that the idea is

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that I can fool one of you guys, but I

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can't fool ten of you.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how how long does the usual process take?

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Speaker 2: In AA, Well, here's what they encourage. Okay, so you're homeless,

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you just got to have a treatment center. You've had

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the first fucking decent meal, you know, in a long time.

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Here's all you know is that you can't quit drinking,

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and you also can't start drinking. So as a sponsor,

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I look for people that fully understand that nexus, you know,

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that path in the road where they have no fucking

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clue what to do because the only thing they know

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how to do is try and quit or just talk

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themselves into drinking again. And they can't do either. Both

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of them are deadly. And so that's when I just go, hey, look,

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we do have solutions for that shit. You gotta like

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I would hand phone numbers, say hey, call me. Can

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you stay sober for twenty four hours? Can you stay

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sober for twelve? Can you stay sober for one? Okay?

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And sometimes you just remember the world has to have

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you have to have something in your life that's so

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valuable that the world will stop for you, Like an

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old lady getting beaten up in the street. Do you

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walk by or do you just go? You know what,

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I don't give a shit. I'm gonna stop this ere.

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There's something in me that just is not going to

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watch this happen. I don't give a fuck. If I

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go to jail, you know, I'm just gonna get in there,

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I'm gonna break it up because that's bullshit. So in AA,

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we all have that, we have that one thing in

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our lives that we everything of the world just stops.

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We go, Hey, man, you know you need me way

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more than I need you, and I'm here to do

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what I need to do to help you out so

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that you don't feel abandoned or alone and that you

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have solutions. Now, if you tell us to fuck off, cool,

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But you made that decision. It wasn't the fault of

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the group. So I came to you. I offered you

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my phone number. I said, let's go meet somewhere, let's talk.

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And then then in that process I get to know

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again what were you like, what happened, and why the

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fuck are you here now? And usually this story is

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pretty similar because we all come from the same well

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of circumstances, just like nationalists. Exactly like nationalists. So right

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off the bat, we have a ton in calm and

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with nationalists. And so it's people that feel alone that

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need to be part of a group because it kills

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them that they're not part of the solution.

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Speaker 3: And so you get what about where does where does

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God fit into this? Because I know, really it's the

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cornerstone of a well.

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Speaker 2: Remember, you can't drink, but you also can't stop.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, it's a logical problem.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a logical problem, and that's when

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so the first step it Yeah, a lot of people

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get this wrong. So when I tell you, when I

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describe these little steps, you're getting them. You're getting them

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interpreted by a fucking expert. So don't let anybody tell

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you shit because most people just have a hearsay understanding

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of AA or they watched the Hollywood movie and they

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think that AA means I'm drunk and I admitted I

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had a problem. So I'm gonna go out and say

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I'm sorry to everybody I met, everybody I did wrong too.

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That's it. Raw camera fade, the black that's such bullshit.

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That's not how it worked. So the first step is

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that we admitted we're powerless over alcohol, that our lives

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have become unmanageable. So that just means we can't have

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any power over when to drink or when to stop.

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We're fucked. That's what step one means. We're fucked on

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two levels. One the drinking problem. I have no control

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of it. How do I know that? Well, because I tried. Okay,

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I fucking tried to quit. Here are the things we did. Okay,

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here are some of the fucking things that we tried

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to do. And uh, it goes through a list here

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because it's trying to get you to see something. And

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this is really important that transformation has to be vertical. Okay,

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transformation has to be vertical. It can't just be trying

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more of the same shit, which we do all the

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time because we're kind of rudderless. And so where God

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comes in is that we've tried every imaginable remedy when

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we try to control our own drinking. Okay, it says

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right here. In some instances there have been refrecovery, followed

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always by a still worse relapse. Physicians or for who

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are familiar with alcoholism agree there's no such thing as

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making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. So it says,

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here are some of the methods we tried. Just switching

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to beer only, limiting the number of drinks, like hey,

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I'm just gonna have three and then I'm gonna go home, okay.

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Never drinking alone because hey, if I drink with a

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bunch of guys, I won't get hammered, you know. Never

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drinking in the morning, drinking only at home, never having

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it in the house, never drinking during business hours, drinking

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only at parties, switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only

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natural wines, Agreeing to resign if drunk on a job,

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taking a trip, or not taking a trip, swearing it

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off forever with and without a solemn oath. I mean,

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we all know what it's like to go Okay, God

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damn it, I'm done. I'm fucking done. I'm never touching

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that shit again. Glood glood, glove. You know. You know

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they even talk about how we've all had that experience

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of just telling our wives, look, man, it's over, I

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get it, I gotta quit, and then we're calling her

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from the bar two fucking days later, Meaning we don't

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have any control. We only have the delusion that we

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have control. So if you have no control over it,

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and the priests can't help you, and Pete Canonas can't

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save you, and and then the pastor can't save your wife,

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for fuck's sake, can't talk you into it. You need

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God and your life is unmanageable. You don't just have

472
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a drinking problem. It's going to result in homeless, being fired,

473
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,920
divorce kids. You know, kids stop, you know, the kids

474
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240
stop talking to you. Hell, I've had cats leave me.

475
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: So so basically the purpose of the organization is actually

476
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,359
the development of men.

477
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,799
Speaker 2: Yes, but it starts with your relationship with God. Yeah,

478
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,400
an is your question. We're trying to live, we're trying

479
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,720
to live without God, and life is not that easy.

480
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,519
Life is rough for every person. Every person needs God.

481
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:02,480
You're either under the delusion that you have control over it.

482
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,960
Like I don't really need God. I've got it all

483
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,640
under control. You know, I'm not homeless. I still got

484
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240
my new car, I'm making all my payments, my electric

485
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,880
hasn't been cut off yet. I'm not fucking homeless. My

486
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,519
wife still loves me. You know they call them high

487
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,400
bottom drunks. But the point is it's really just a

488
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,759
good spiritual exercise for anybody to question, Hey, am I

489
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,279
fucking crazy? Do I have it all under control?

490
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: You know?

491
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: And it's so the first step you have to involve God,

492
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,480
because God is the thing that you have to submit

493
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,440
your control too. And I'm going to steal one from

494
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,680
your stormy. You got the demon driving you around like

495
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,480
a fucking moped. You're just under the delusion that you're

496
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:52,119
doing the driving. It's actually perfect analogy. I will use

497
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,119
it one hundred fucking times. The delusion is that you're

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,680
in control of your life. But alcohol is a way

499
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,359
of grinding your issues into your face so long that

500
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,200
you finally just have to go, okay, I've had a

501
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,720
not So it's about surrender, Well, surrender to what. That's

502
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:16,039
where God comes in. Oh yeah, that's so. The logic

503
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,400
is clear. I don't control my life. I've proven it

504
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,200
time and time ask anybody who knows.

505
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: But at some point in time we are going to

506
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,839
have to expect these young men to control their lives

507
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,119
in some respects because okay, so one thing I did

508
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,000
notice when meeting a bunch of the OGC men in person,

509
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,480
is that very few seem to be what I mean

510
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:55,359
integrated for lack of a better term, I mean like

511
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,319
spiritually and emotional of one thing.

512
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, their egos, they're not operating under a bunch of

513
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,039
false delusions. They pretty much got.

514
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,319
Speaker 3: Just not just not just ego, but as in like integrate.

515
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,359
The where they were mentally was not where they were

516
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,480
spiritually or where they were emotionally, or they weren't a

517
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:26,799
cohesive whole. Right. They may be very very tough and

518
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,119
you know, resilient in one respect, but that really being

519
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:42,440
a result of kind of neglecting the others. I don't

520
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,279
know if I'm making any sense.

521
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Peace, Oh dude, you make a perfect sense. So here's

522
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,200
what happens is because we don't get challenged.

523
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: I want I want to I want to hear. I

524
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,200
want to hear what Pete has to say. Like I basically,

525
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,640
I think everyone there it could be equally as benefited,

526
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,039
not just from the brotherhood, the camaraderie, but also.

527
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:07,599
Speaker 1: Character development that comes with experience, right, and experiences being

528
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640
around you have to be around people who have good,

529
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:16,079
good character, and they have to be willing to take you,

530
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,000
take them under take someone under their wing and just

531
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:26,359
show them, you know, the way you should act. And

532
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,039
I don't. I don't know that society does a really

533
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:36,359
good job of telling people how they are telling young

534
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:42,160
men how they should act as much as you like

535
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,279
the brother like the brotherhood of like growing up in

536
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:50,480
the church or something like that. Yeah, I'll look, yeah,

537
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:56,880
I look at someone like I'll put his name out there.

538
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:03,000
He can hate me. Jay Burden, yea is character intelligence,

539
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:05,880
knows how to act in every such I mean, he

540
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,759
grew up, he grew up in the church. He grew

541
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:13,240
up with an expectation that that's there was an expectation

542
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,119
that that's how he was going to act. I agree.

543
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,039
Speaker 3: Well, out of all the young men that have taken

544
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:20,200
a shine to me, I think I like Jay Burden

545
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,680
the most for exactly that reason.

546
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rocketed pretty hard where polishing is not really

547
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:28,319
right hard right now. And I hope he doesn't you know,

548
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,200
that doesn't let this go to his head.

549
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,279
Speaker 3: But well I also know all the all the things

550
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,039
he's embarrassed about, so I mean, hopefully it doesn't go

551
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:35,839
too far to his head.

552
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, if it does, we have other guys that can say, hey, man,

553
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,480
what makes you valuable is that you have your ship together.

554
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:42,160
You are this.

555
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,279
Speaker 3: Little No other, no other guys can make Jay Burden's

556
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:51,599
hands grow. That's that's that you have to give up

557
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:52,119
to God.

558
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so so so the way you test your characters,

559
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,079
you say, okay, what are you doing about this problem?

560
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,559
So you say you got your ship to go? Well,

561
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,519
the IDF just kidnapped a girl, snapped her spine and

562
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,000
raped her for days. What are you gonna fucking do

563
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,799
about that? Is that gonna happen on your watch? That's

564
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,160
the one example of a million. And what happens is

565
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,160
we have large hordes of these guys that are running

566
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,079
our government. They're coming to fucking kill us. They're building

567
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,160
a prison for us. You see those boulders they're building.

568
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,440
You see them all stacking up those rocks. They're building

569
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,799
a prison for you. What are you gonna do, mister

570
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,680
shit together? Are you going to act? And if you're

571
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,279
not acting, you need AA, you need somebody to sit

572
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,599
you down and say, Okay, in the face of Catasta,

573
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,799
you see a spiraling group of clouds off in the

574
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,319
gulf and the wind is picking up. Are you boarding

575
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,880
up your house? No?

576
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,599
Speaker 3: Okay, this is actually very good point. I like to

577
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,960
jump in for a moment that this is actually one

578
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,279
of those things, well you just hit the nail. Had

579
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,400
about one of the things that I noticed, right, And

580
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,119
this is this is a thing that is an age

581
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,200
related thing, right because as maybe as you grow older,

582
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,240
maybe it's just my specific experience. Pete I know has

583
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:20,039
probably had similar experiences. But there is a point in

584
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,160
a young man's life where he knows he has agency

585
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,079
over some things and then believes he has agency over

586
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:34,559
all things. And the it's hard for them to conceptualize

587
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,480
things being out of their control or them not having

588
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,480
the ability to get out of something, you know, where

589
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,559
they would much you know when they really need to,

590
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:56,039
and there's not really a the strength there. I think

591
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:02,200
specifically in the fact that we are well OGC is

592
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,799
not a political organization, but I mean a lot of

593
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:11,199
us engage in dissident politics. Right. There is a very

594
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:17,480
good chance that our lives could be made extremely unpleasant,

595
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,800
and I think there's a lot of like negotiating like

596
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,159
I'm gonna take all of these steps. You do this

597
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,840
very well. You constantly remind everyone that it doesn't matter

598
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,000
how much opsect you think you have. It doesn't matter.

599
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,000
At any point in time, they can come ruin your life.

600
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,280
They already know who you are. It doesn't matter. There

601
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,960
are no steps that you can put in between you

602
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:52,199
and the millstone. All right. If the millstone wants, you

603
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,039
will be ground underneath it into a fine paste. And

604
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:03,320
I know particular because of like where I am professionally,

605
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,960
just like where I am in my life, and some

606
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,440
of the blessings that I've been able, you know, to

607
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:15,519
convince God I worthwhile love. I guess I needed to

608
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,840
be okay with all right, what is the worst case scenario.

609
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:26,119
The worst case scenario of opening my fucking mouth is

610
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,000
that all of this goes away. All right, I will

611
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:34,760
spend I will basically spend my fortune in legal fees.

612
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:43,119
That's highly likely. I will no longer be able to

613
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,880
have the reputation I have, therefore no longer able to

614
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:52,760
command the rate of compensation I do for my time.

615
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,199
So that's gone. So there's future income, right, all of

616
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:05,159
my relationships that I've curated, right, those professional leapfrogging that

617
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,079
it would have enabled me to have, I won't have

618
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,679
that anymore. No one is going to make a phone

619
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,719
call on my behalf to tell someone that they need

620
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,880
to bring me on board, they need to hire me right,

621
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440
or convince them that I'm worthwhile I'm not going to

622
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,679
have that anymore, and my personal relationships will also likely

623
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:33,400
be destroyed. That is the worst case scenario. And when

624
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,800
you take the worst case scenario and you stare at

625
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,639
it for a long time and you say, am I

626
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,880
okay if this happens? Like? Am I okay with the

627
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,920
worst possible scenario happening to me? And if the answer

628
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:52,559
is yes, then I usually do it nine times out

629
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,920
of ten. If I'm okay with the worst possible outcome

630
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,880
of something, I will continue to go ahead. But this

631
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,480
one in particular carries the most risk because in our society,

632
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:09,760
the state has supreme power and no accountability and no

633
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,119
need to justify itself for its actions because there's an

634
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:18,639
anonymity in which the state exerts force. I I don't

635
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,199
think that. I don't think there's a lot of young

636
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,360
men that if the screws were ever put to them

637
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,119
in any type of way. I was joking with Jay

638
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,719
Burton and I said, I think going to jail at

639
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,599
least for a little bit, getting in some trouble getting

640
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,880
locked up, getting your you know, getting thrown in the

641
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,760
back of a squad car and handcuffs, having to call

642
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,760
a lawyer, getting bail, getting out, I think is a

643
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,480
very good experience, right, kind of like getting punched in

644
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,440
the face. Everyone should get punched in the face once,

645
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:54,400
in fact frequently, right, once a year minimum, unless you're

646
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,920
really old. And I see that because I don't think

647
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,519
that they themselves. And I think this is why I

648
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:10,000
find this conversation so attractive is because I think the

649
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,079
reason why I sensed a lot of reluctance for hardship

650
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,880
among I would probably say, like a coin toss, like

651
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,599
fifty percent of people there is because they did not

652
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,519
have And I think this is why Jay Burden is

653
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,760
such a good kid, is because he's he has a

654
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,840
very engaged family life, right. He is married, and he's

655
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,480
got a great relationship with his family and extended family.

656
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,440
He has a support structure. It exists, both friends and family.

657
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,840
A lot of the other people that I met that

658
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,880
I thought were extremely resilient, Thomas a good example of

659
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,480
that too. He has a support structure that exists. And

660
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,239
I think a lot of the men that were in

661
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,119
the chairs at the time in the time I was

662
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,559
there in Tennessee. Don't think even though they were among

663
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,000
people that were called brothers, I don't think that they

664
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:08,079
felt inside that they had that. And if there's one

665
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,239
thing that you know AA can do, if the AA,

666
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,119
you know, methodology or organizational stricture, if that could could

667
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:18,000
provide that in any way, I think that alone would

668
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,679
be a worthwhile.

669
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're survivors of a shipwreck. We got each other's back.

670
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,199
We are survivors of a shipwreck. We are sitting here

671
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,679
and the fucking hurricane is forming in the gulf. Let's

672
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,800
say I don't have enough money for lumber. Hey, Stormy,

673
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,360
thanks for helping me get the fucking lumber. So the

674
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,840
situation you describe involving the police and losing that only

675
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,519
occurs when you don't have fifty or one hundred or

676
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,679
five hundred people there to show up for you. When

677
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,760
you look behind you and there's no brave heart, Okay,

678
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,960
there's no guys in paint. Most of us talk as

679
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,199
if there's that army behind us. So we already have

680
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,599
the simple emotional mechanics straight. But because it's been removed

681
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,599
from us, we don't know how to function outside the

682
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,400
delusion that we actually have this extended network of family

683
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,639
and supporters, so we have to build it. That's what

684
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,760
we're talking about, because when Stormy gets in trouble, I

685
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,679
get a phone call, Pete gets a phone call, Burden

686
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,000
gets a phone call. So Stormy never has to fucking

687
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,920
deal with this shit by himself. And we all do

688
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,079
that for each other, and after a while we start

689
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,320
to feel almost like an organized group.

690
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, but people will do that in the same place.

691
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,159
But what I find interesting about AA is that you

692
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:46,480
can travel anywhere and that same type of obligation exists. Well,

693
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,960
the members have the buy in. Yeah, it took them

694
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,360
time to Taiwan, right and write whatever. Some Taiwanese guy

695
00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:01,440
is going to stop what he is doing and get

696
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,280
a couple other time with these guys to help me

697
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,320
go ahead and keep on going on my mission.

698
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:13,119
Speaker 2: Yes, if I can't speak, Yeah, they act, they take

699
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,079
action because they know what to do. They know what

700
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,519
to do. Hey, I'm a tourist. I'm probably one of

701
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,639
those crazy expats. You thought I'll come over to Thailand

702
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,280
and meet women and just drink through my retirement fund

703
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,800
and party, you know, because I because I work so

704
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,360
hard to get my pension and now I'm over in

705
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,400
Thailand because Rinse, they're gonna look at me and go,

706
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,679
I know exactly who you are, dude, and you're an alcoholic.

707
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,000
So here we're gonna put you in touch with some

708
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,400
people because here's what we know, and here's what you

709
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:45,280
know that this is not paradise unless you fucking quit drinking.

710
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,119
So we're here to help you if you want to.

711
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,400
And so there's a network there of people that understand

712
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,440
your situation. They know who the fuck you are. You

713
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,880
can't lie about it. And you think.

714
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,639
Speaker 3: Somebody doesn't want to do that, Like what happens is like, oh,

715
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:02,719
I don't. Is there an obligation for the membership to

716
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,719
go to bat for someone if they are a member

717
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,880
of AA from a different place. Is there an obligation?

718
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,000
So basically, what can get a senior person thrown out?

719
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what type of

720
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,400
conduct is enforceable.

721
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: Well, you don't get thrown out? And yeah, and this

722
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,440
is why we always start from the beginning, because remember

723
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:30,079
each and every individual came in drunk, sticky, broke, and confused,

724
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,960
and they were met with a sponsor who introduced them

725
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,519
to other people, and they worked these steps with him.

726
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,760
That means they sat down with them night after night

727
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,039
with a pen and paper, and they went over the

728
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,000
fucking areas of their life because they've already admitted, Hey,

729
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,920
I'm fucked without God. So now what do I do? Okay, well,

730
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,760
we examine all the things you did thinking you had

731
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,519
control over your life. So my point is, once he's

732
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:56,679
sponsored and on his way, he now built right into

733
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,480
the steps. Is dude, the reason why God made you

734
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,719
sober not so that you could play the Cowboys song

735
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,920
in reverse and get your dog back and get your

736
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,719
girl back and get your house back so you can

737
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,920
tell the rest of us to fuck off. No, your

738
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,760
whole The only relationship you have with God is that

739
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,360
he saves your ass so that you can save others.

740
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,800
That's the deal. This is not God's not a capitalist.

741
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,960
God's not a fucking American, and your soul has nothing

742
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,360
to do with any of these pseudo cultures. Your relationship

743
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
with God is like, Hey, you saved my life, and

744
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:33,559
I'm going to do in return because you've given me

745
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,159
the power to do that. Before I wasn't, I wasn't

746
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,480
of any use to anybody. I wasn't any use to

747
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,320
myself or anybody I cared about. But God literally came in,

748
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,559
touched me and fucking cured me. Well, if I want

749
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,400
to stay sober, I have to give this shit back.

750
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,760
I have to step up to I'm now a soldier

751
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,440
like I don't have my old identity. That's what a

752
00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:00,480
vertical transformation is. I'm not the old guy. I've been

753
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,360
given a new lease on life, and there's a way

754
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,159
to fuck that up and a way to keep it.

755
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,480
But I can only keep it if I'm willing to

756
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,719
do these other things for other people, because that's how

757
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,599
the deal works. That's the metaphysics of the success of

758
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,199
spiritual growth, is that you give it back. And you

759
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,039
absolutely have to do that because the moment you have

760
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:26,320
one reservation, like I belong to like a twenty four

761
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,599
hour hotline. So if they called me up and say, hey,

762
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,960
there's a dude down at the bus station. He called

763
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,159
this up. We have your name on the list, so

764
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,000
we're calling you. Can you go down there and pick

765
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,159
him up? He says, he you know, he wants to

766
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,079
quit drinking. Can you at least do the thing. They

767
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,400
don't even need to tell me what to do I

768
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,639
know what to do. So I just go down there

769
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,400
and I meet the guy. So he made a phone call.

770
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,079
They called me, and next thing you know, I'm at

771
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,079
the bus station and it doesn't matter if I have well,

772
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,880
I can't come now because you know, it's fucking Saturday night.

773
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,679
You know, UFC is about the start. I have to go. Hey,

774
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,079
what's more important recovery? My relationship with God, which I

775
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,760
know for a fact exists because I live it every day.

776
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,639
I have to go do this, which means I record it. Okay,

777
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,320
there are simple solutions to all of these mental tricks

778
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,159
that you play because you just don't want to step

779
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
up to the plate. It's an inconvenient time or whatever.

780
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,119
What's my wife going to say? Or you know, And

781
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,880
when you look at the history of AA and how

782
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,639
it started, these guys opened up their houses, their lives,

783
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,599
they were you know, they were evangelized, they were they

784
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,920
had the Holy Spirit fucking cure them. And so there's

785
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,159
a motive. There's a motive. There's a reason why there's

786
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,239
going to be somebody at that AA group that looks

787
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,920
at me and says, hey, it's my turn to step

788
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,320
up to the plate. Just like the old lady getting

789
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
beaten up. The first thing you addressed is I want

790
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,719
to look around to see if there's other guys that

791
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,119
are going to help me, you know, because I don't

792
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,000
want to get my ass kicked. But I can't sit

793
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
there and watch this old lady get mugged. So I'm

794
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,079
going to go in there. I'm going to jump into

795
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,000
the fire. And what you find out is that God

796
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,760
provide things for you to protect you. You just don't

797
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,760
practice jumping into the fire enough. And AA is really

798
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,159
good at throwing this into the fire over and over again.

799
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,039
Because our fears become absolved. The fear says, don't take action,

800
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,000
and then the sponsor says, take it or else you're

801
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,480
going to fucking get drunk again. And I say okay,

802
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,800
and I do it. And guess what my fears were?

803
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,360
Just that fears, They weren't real. I went over there,

804
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,920
I grabbed a handbag, I gave the guy a fucked

805
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,800
up look, and he ran off running. Well, how did

806
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,679
that happen? I didn't have to engage in you know,

807
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,559
I didn't have to get stabbed, I didn't have to

808
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,400
get sued. I didn't know your fears.

809
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just thinking of how this is. I'm trying

810
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,199
to think of which way we can pair parallel this. Pete,

811
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:56,920
do you have any thoughts except the stuff about like go ahead?

812
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Not necessarily no, not right know, yeah, when you take

813
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,079
the action, you start to I just I feel like

814
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,400
I just don't want people to think that we're attacking

815
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,480
you know what what's existing now and what is you know,

816
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,719
what is progressing? Well?

817
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:15,679
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

818
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: Talking about ways. We're talking about ways to improve and

819
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,880
definitely to increase increase camaraderie, but not only to increase camaraderie,

820
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,480
but also to you know, help help the individuals that

821
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,880
are coming in on an individual basis. I mean, we

822
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,840
are a collective and collectivism is is more important than anything.

823
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,800
But you know, if you have if the more quality

824
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,639
individuals you have that are in a collective, the better,

825
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,079
the better it's going to be going forward.

826
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we should spend some time training each

827
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,159
other and it can happen quite naturally. Like we have

828
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,360
Texas meetups, we have guys and I now have a

829
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,119
list of people in my own zip code. I have

830
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,480
a Telegram chat. I can say literally, hey, what are

831
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,960
we doing this Saturday or Hey, are we going to

832
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,320
meet at the La Model Aane next Tuesday like we

833
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,719
did last time. The thing is, they keep moving it

834
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,000
around and they keep switching an episode. It's hard for

835
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,519
guys like me who are willing to join. I kind

836
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,039
of had a habit there, like, Okay, great Tuesday night

837
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,280
at a La Model Ainge. But then you find out, well,

838
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,239
they moved it to the other side of town, so

839
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,480
I'm like, okay. So what we learned from that is

840
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,199
consistency helps. Consistency helps guys get together. If you can

841
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,639
meet at the same place on the same day twice

842
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:36,199
a week, that's way better than leaving it up for grabs,

843
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,239
so that nobody when Tuesday night rolls around, knows where

844
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,800
anybody's gonna meet. So that's a spiritual principle, which is

845
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,679
with you know, availability. You know, we need a lot

846
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239
less people that are able and a lot more people

847
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,440
that are available. So availability is built into the system too,

848
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,480
and that's a teachable thing. So we teach each other, Hey,

849
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:00,360
be available, be predictable, be the guy that ever everybody

850
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,840
knows you're going to be there, and practice that all

851
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,480
the time, because that's how you found the people that

852
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,559
helped you is you walked into a place and you

853
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,159
saw the same guy that's been sitting in the same

854
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,480
chair every fucking Saturday night. And something magical happens. When

855
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:22,840
you are dependable, you attract people that need you. You know.

856
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,079
So these are there's, there's, there's there's a bunch of

857
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,280
these little spiritual tidbits that are built into the program

858
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,840
that teach you how to be a better fucking person.

859
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,360
Don't be the guy that shows up and then doesn't

860
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,880
show back up again. If you're gonna do this shit,

861
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:41,920
be consistent, because the benefits you get from being dependable

862
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,880
are that your relationship with God grows because you're learning

863
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,480
to do things that your mind told you you didn't

864
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,280
have to do. I don't have to show up every

865
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,679
Tuesday night. I don't have to be there all the time.

866
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:56,360
You know, it's like these are these are character defects,

867
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,400
and there are flaws in the way we live our

868
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,960
daily lives. Know that once you get a handle of them,

869
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,679
you're now living a life. Well. Now you start to feel, Wow,

870
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,920
God's driving this moped. It's not that fucking ARCon, It's

871
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,400
not that other entity. I start to feel more and

872
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,519
more in line with the fact that I've got something

873
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,559
keeping me sober, keeping me alive, and keeping me connected

874
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,400
with my guys. Why because I did the simple things.

875
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,639
I just showed up every Tuesday night like I'm supposed to,

876
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,559
even if nobody else shows up. You learn how to

877
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,400
do things because that's what you're supposed to fucking do

878
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,519
you know. And if the guys are listening, no, I

879
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,719
haven't been there because they kept changing the fucking date.

880
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:46,559
So so we have AA clubhouses. That's all they are.

881
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:49,559
They're just a clubhouse. Anybody at any time could just

882
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,039
go there and there's gonna be usually a lot of

883
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,760
the same people there, and then they have the big

884
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,400
meeting times where you get to meet a whole bunch

885
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,760
of different people. But the doors are open, the coffee

886
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,599
is made, you can show up. It's an oasis.

887
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, I mean that's all right, that's the

888
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,239
AA structure. We don't have that right now. We don't

889
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,639
have the we don't have places set up so that

890
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,239
we're meeting all the time, that there's something open. So, yeah,

891
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,719
we got.

892
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,519
Speaker 2: Telegram groups, which are actually pretty cool.

893
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got telegram groups, But the I think really

894
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,159
one of the more important things to realize when you're

895
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,119
talking about this is something that you know, a lot

896
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:36,800
of people have realized, whether they think it's a positive

897
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,480
or a negative, is just how much in the last

898
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,679
five years and especially since twenty twenty that people they

899
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,400
have been driven either back to church or to church.

900
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,280
And some people can say that's good, some people can

901
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,639
say that's bad. Don't really don't really care.

902
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: Picture situation.

903
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: Hold on talk, Let'm talking.

904
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when we're when we look at that, that

905
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:11,199
is definitely not something When I say this, it's going

906
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,880
to sound manipulative. That's something that we have to take

907
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,800
advantage of. And I don't mean that in a manipula

908
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,199
manipulatative way. I mean that in that it's obvious that

909
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,679
there were people seeking and there are other people out

910
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,840
there who just don't know what to do. They feel

911
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:36,599
the same pull towards there's something beyond me. I'm things

912
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,400
just you know, just aren't working out for me. Right now.

913
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,719
I've told this story, and it's anecdotal about how like

914
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,400
my wife's nephews and nieces are all in their early twenties,

915
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,960
they're all white heritage Americans, and they're fucking killing it,

916
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:55,639
buying houses, getting married and all this, and I hear

917
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,400
other people complaining that they can't do that, that they're

918
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,239
being shut out of it, And I wonder how much

919
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,519
of that is a spiritual problem where it's like they've

920
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:09,119
just given up. And when you're when your spirit is

921
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:13,480
alive within you, you don't give up. You're not. Yeah, yeah,

922
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,159
I mean sure Jews control wherein as Zionist occupied everything,

923
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,239
Yet people are still there. There are people out there

924
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,159
who are still thriving or like, I'm not going to

925
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,760
be defeated by this. I'm not going to use it

926
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,920
as an excuse and a sponsors. Yeah, and they so

927
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,119
they need you know, people need to be aware that

928
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,000
there are people here who are open to hearing what

929
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,480
you have to say about you know, you don't have

930
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,039
to be embarrassed. You don't if you were to approach

931
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:51,480
me and say, you know, I feel this this calling,

932
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,000
but I just don't know what church to go to

933
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:56,800
because I think all churches are full of shit. Well

934
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,239
that that's because they're filled with humans. Okay, I need

935
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,920
a sponsor. Allful it's not that they're all full of shit,

936
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,559
it's that you're just seeing the human flaws in them.

937
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: That's what sponsors do. Yeah, that's what sponsors do. They

938
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,840
hold your hand through the process of getting from your disseminated,

939
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,079
disenfranchised world into a world that is cohesive and has

940
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,079
solutions and answers to this shit. Like if I moved

941
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,760
to Alabama, I said, man, I don't see any fucking

942
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,960
good churches. People come and say, hey, look where do

943
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,360
you live. Okay, go to this group. I go, Okay, great.

944
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,760
I went to that group. Oh I smiled at all

945
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,519
the girls, and none of them fucking waved back. Okay,

946
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:42,800
here's what here, here's where you gotta start. Okay, why

947
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,000
don't you show up every Sunday consistently give it ninety days,

948
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,400
you know, introduce yourself and just let God take care

949
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,360
of the rest. Just fucking be patient for ninety days.

950
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,760
You gotta let time work on your side. Most people

951
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,360
don't know how to do that. They don't know how

952
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,039
to have they don't and how to live their life

953
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:04,800
in ninety day increments. There's something pretty special about ninety

954
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,320
days for the human soul, for the human body. There's

955
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,159
a ninety day rhythm there that I don't need to prove,

956
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,119
but it's there. So when you go to a new place,

957
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:16,880
you know, give yourself. Like I told myself at the

958
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,320
OGC meetings, like, hey, you know, these things take time.

959
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,800
I learned that from integrating myself into AA groups. You

960
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,719
don't get everybody to drop what they're doing and pay

961
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,639
attention to you. Sometimes you just need to be the

962
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,639
guy that shows up. Then they recognize that you're here

963
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:35,480
for a reason, and then the relationships develop, and then

964
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:38,239
you get phone numbers and then you start meeting people up.

965
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,079
It's a gradual process, but the group's there for you.

966
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:46,480
You know, the group's there for you. So right now,

967
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,440
as a group, we all see this hurricane off in

968
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,199
the Gulf, and we keep waiting for somebody else to

969
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,400
fix it, or we don't know what to do or

970
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,320
how to fix it, or all of our solutions are delusional.

971
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,440
So when you have groups together and you talk about

972
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,639
this with twenty other guys that are probably smarter than you,

973
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,440
you start to realize, hey, we have some really good

974
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,840
ideas here. We can start this process of learning how

975
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,400
to deal with the fact that this hurricane's coming and

976
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,599
it's gonna blow our fucking houses down if we don't

977
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,199
board things up, get some sandbags. We need the community

978
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,639
to help us and everybody start working together, because guess what,

979
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:27,119
it's a fucking hurricane. You know, we just don't. We

980
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:30,360
see the signal, but we don't react. And when we

981
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,920
try to react, we feel alone. We look behind us

982
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,639
looking for that army of like minded people, but they're

983
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:39,119
not there. So that's why we just say, okay, let's

984
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,159
just let the lady get robbed. You know, I don't.

985
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,199
I can't stick my neck out. I can't be the

986
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,559
only guy. I'm telling you, man, that's a massive problem.

987
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:53,039
People don't feel connected to a larger group. Structures like AA,

988
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,719
structures like the OGC structures like you know, the they work.

989
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:04,039
They get people out of and into a community. That

990
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,000
is important.

991
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: This is something that we had in this culture before

992
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,239
you know, the New Deal and things like that, where

993
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,440
people were just handed free money. You know, you had

994
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,199
Italian American organizations. You basically had churches that they did

995
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,119
this job. They were the ones who they they took

996
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,800
people under their wing. They helped people if they were

997
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,239
in trouble, but they also did they were also there

998
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,000
to help and to help people grow it. I mean

999
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,440
like a lot of these organizations were there to help

1000
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,559
people become Americans, especially if they had like just come,

1001
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,400
if they had just come off the boat, if they

1002
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,400
had just to help people become Americans. We don't have

1003
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,519
that anymore. And that's what we need. That's what we're

1004
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,920
going back to. That's the that's why you're you form

1005
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,199
a fraternity, you form something like this, You formed this

1006
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,800
because that's been completely lost. It's been it's been written

1007
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,239
out of our history. We don't even talk about mutual aid.

1008
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,880
Societies aren't even talked about anymore. Ethnic you know, ethnic

1009
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:14,519
community groups aren't even talked about anymore. And the reason

1010
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,599
why is because the government said, oh no, we can

1011
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:18,559
do all that. Well, when the government does it, it

1012
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:22,119
derascinates you because you're you know, you're talking to people

1013
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:24,159
who speak like you, and sound like you and look

1014
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,199
like you, and they're teaching you how to fit into

1015
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,360
this culture and how to become you know, the people

1016
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,920
become somebody who is going to be an American.

1017
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a Bible in every hotel. How

1018
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,239
come everybody is not a Christian? Well, we had them Bibles, yeah,

1019
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,079
and then we left them alone, you know.

1020
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:50,559
Speaker 3: We On that note, I was listening to your stream

1021
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:54,400
with Darryl and and Thomas by the way, which is

1022
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,480
amazing in everyone everyone needs to go listen to. And uh,

1023
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,519
thank you Darryl for the kind words, and yes, you

1024
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:11,119
are correct, it was patriotism. Took a lot to grieve.

1025
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,880
But you guys touched on a question I'll save for

1026
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:18,559
another day. But I think, and maybe you and I

1027
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:20,719
have to talk privately about this first, but I think

1028
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,920
I might have an answer to Daryl's question of who

1029
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:29,400
are people are? Who an American is as far as

1030
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,639
a political definition that we can use going forward, an

1031
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:37,960
answer that's useful and in a way that basically puts

1032
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,440
our enemies in a real bind pushing up against So

1033
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,599
maybe that's a conversation for another time. But really what

1034
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,119
we're talking about now is kind of brushing up on

1035
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:51,639
the same thing again, which kind of proves his point

1036
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,480
defining like who are guys are? Both are? Who are

1037
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,760
who are our base is right? Who are we doing

1038
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:09,719
these things for? Right? So outside of the group, and

1039
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
who are we doing these things with inside the group?

1040
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,320
And I think what we've been talking about tonight is

1041
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:25,000
inside the group stuff. And I'm curious to see how

1042
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:30,079
these type of strategies would play when applied to outside

1043
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,880
the group people. Right, So, one thing that is phenomenal

1044
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:42,880
about the OGC is its ability to execute successfully. I

1045
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,719
don't want to call it. I don't even want to

1046
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:50,039
call it community outreach. It actually like it doesn't get

1047
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:54,119
talked about as much anymore because it's been quite a

1048
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:56,719
long time since it's happened. But the thing that impressed

1049
01:00:56,719 --> 01:01:00,920
me most out of everyone involved in the OGC and

1050
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,480
out of how fast it's growing, these are all very

1051
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:08,360
impressive things, but what you guys did in the hurricane

1052
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:13,440
was what sold me and some of the guys, whether

1053
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:21,559
hopefully they're listening to this, grew up in just that

1054
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:25,639
period because of the types of hardships that they were

1055
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:31,559
forced to see in doing the cleanup, and you know

1056
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:42,599
basically that has that in doing that outreach a the

1057
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:46,039
OGC was impactful in its community in a real tangible

1058
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:49,920
way that people can point to that people feel blessed

1059
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,239
by receiving. And also the members that took part in it,

1060
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,880
I don't want to say that they weren't prior, but

1061
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,079
they definitely on the other side of it, came out

1062
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,559
what I would definitely consider a man in fully integrated form.

1063
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:13,239
They had encountered such a level of hardship that they

1064
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:19,440
were changed both internally in a way that manifested itself externally. Right,

1065
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,960
Like you take the kid, you know that's going off

1066
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,119
to war, like seventeen or eighteen. You see his picture,

1067
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,599
and then you see his picture two years later after

1068
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,719
he comes back off his first rotation, and they look,

1069
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:37,719
you know, facial feature wise identical. But you look at

1070
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,199
these two pictures and you don't think they're the same person.

1071
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,920
It's like a different person is staring back at you.

1072
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,239
So an internal change just happened to such a degree

1073
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:48,800
that an external change that is hard to quite put

1074
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,320
your finger on, but is there exists. And I think

1075
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,880
that's some of the hardship I was talking about earlier,

1076
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,360
and how that does the ability you know, certain people

1077
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,880
you could just see like have had it already internally

1078
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,440
in their lives prior to joining. But also I think

1079
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,360
we should probably touch on the ability to generate that

1080
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:19,039
actually through the group. Right, So, like that type of hardships,

1081
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:21,599
type of hardness that was created inside the guys that

1082
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:26,199
took part in that in North Carolina, that was actually

1083
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:30,800
developed in the setting of the OGC to them, the

1084
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,960
most pivotabal moments of their lives happened as part of

1085
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,400
the group, and I don't think that would ever ever

1086
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:43,760
leave that person, and the type of binding agent that

1087
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,960
that would have would be very similar to Paladin's. How

1088
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,159
Paladin feels about AA and the indescribable impact it has

1089
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:01,119
had and the fidelity he has to that organization. I

1090
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:03,800
think the boys that took part in the rescue effort

1091
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,639
North Carolina have a similar type of relationship with the

1092
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:15,159
old Glory Club now. So I think that that seems

1093
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:18,199
to be like the sweet spot where I'm able to

1094
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,679
harmonize what the OGC is now and some of the

1095
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:26,960
aspects you are talking about and you're suggesting because the

1096
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:32,840
end result is a more complete, more hardened, more integrated

1097
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,440
person that is not just better because the group made

1098
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:40,559
him better through helping him and working through all his bullshit,

1099
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:47,280
but actually because of the group itself. In working through

1100
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,960
the group, he is now He has both his brothers

1101
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,280
have both made him a better person, but he has

1102
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,960
also made himself a better person through through his service

1103
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:03,480
to them. And I think we can't, you know, have

1104
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:08,599
a bunch of hurricanes all the time, but there's a

1105
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,599
mechanism there. There's something they're worth pulling at.

1106
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah it's called service work. Yeah, it's all built into aasha.

1107
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:18,320
So the first thing we do is we keep the

1108
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,360
guy busy and volunteering. It's like, hey, go down to

1109
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,480
Salvation Army, or help these guys move, or this lady

1110
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,840
needs some help with you know, with whatever, or you

1111
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,800
know what we need coffee made tell you what. They

1112
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,119
gave me the keys to a church and they said

1113
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,719
you need to be there a half hour early every

1114
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,400
Tuesday and every Thursday for a year, and you got

1115
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,360
to close the church down. So of course my instinct, well,

1116
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,239
I got my busy ass life, I got you know,

1117
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:47,239
I'm such an important person, like I don't have time,

1118
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,199
and they just made me do it. And you grow

1119
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,719
and you learn, and you argue with yourself, you tell

1120
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,840
yourself how much you hate fucking doing this, and then

1121
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,320
every time you get there, you're like, wow, I'm really

1122
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,119
glad I did this. Something about doing service work, taking action,

1123
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:03,760
stepping up to the plate, getting out of your comfort

1124
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,239
zone and doing shit for other fucking people, it's so

1125
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,719
spiritually necessary to like I was not able to get

1126
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,639
down there, I probably would have been if I had

1127
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,599
twenty guys that I knew that could maybe help me

1128
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,679
watch my dogs. You know, if I had had my

1129
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,400
shit together, i'd have had two other employees that could

1130
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,360
have taken over. So all I could do is write checks,

1131
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,559
you know. But it's like the checks are not convenient.

1132
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,960
People call up and they say, look, we need you know,

1133
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:36,719
ten thousand dollars or five thousand dollars or three thousand dollars.

1134
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,199
You know, I'm in the process of looking at a

1135
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,719
new guitar because I only have nine, you know, I

1136
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,400
need even ten. You know. But there's something about going,

1137
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,519
fuck it. These guys need my help way more than

1138
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:49,800
I need it. So you just do it. And the

1139
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,880
more uncomfortable it is, the better it feels. So these

1140
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,920
are just character issues, man, these are character issues. There's

1141
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,400
a guy that went down there and spent a lot

1142
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,800
of his own fucking money, and in a group, he'd

1143
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,800
have people sending him checks just blindly, just anonymously saying, hey,

1144
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,239
you were one of those guys that like drained your

1145
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:11,360
fucking savings trying to help these people. I got your back.

1146
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,079
I'm one for Turnity Brothers.

1147
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: Pete. How many how many donations did you facilitate? God?

1148
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:17,199
Only those.

1149
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty to

1150
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,000
twenty five tho. We got we got tents there just

1151
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:30,679
in time. I mean that was just me, me facilitating

1152
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:34,719
the doing it. It was you know, everybody else who

1153
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,480
was It's all the people who were giving that, you know,

1154
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,639
That's what's most important, was the people who gave. And

1155
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,639
we were able to get that there, get the stoves

1156
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,599
there and the tents there, you know, for when the

1157
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:52,840
freeze was coming in. But yeah, I mean this is

1158
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,440
those guys went down there, you know, shout out to

1159
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,039
Melan and Jay Ford.

1160
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: Was thinking of mel j Ford, I was thinking of.

1161
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:04,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not me, not you. Was one of the

1162
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,920
first people there, and he really set up the system. Yeah,

1163
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:10,480
you know, I helped to set up the system that

1164
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,239
that went that they used. But I mean Melan and

1165
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,000
j Ford were spending they were spending weeks there. There

1166
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:21,840
was months there, and yeah, you know when I talked,

1167
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:26,399
when I talked to them, you know, they they're just

1168
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,720
I don't know what they were like before they did that,

1169
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,000
but they're just they seemed to me wise beyond their

1170
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:33,840
years now.

1171
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:39,359
Speaker 3: And when I talked, I had a conversation with Melan

1172
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:48,079
and Tennessee. And I don't want to put him on

1173
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:53,239
the spot, but I think that was probably one of

1174
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,079
the most formative experiences, at least of his life going forward,

1175
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,199
when he like, when something terrible happened to Melon in

1176
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,000
the future, which it will, no doubt, you know, happen.

1177
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:06,840
It's going to happen to all of us, you know,

1178
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,640
bad things. I am an extremely unlucky person. So I

1179
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,000
may have had like a lot for like my age,

1180
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,880
but I know I'm going to have a lot more.

1181
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,880
And I have my moments that I can dig down,

1182
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,199
you know, from the past that I can dig up

1183
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:27,359
when I need strength. You know, like you got through

1184
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:32,039
this already. This here, whatever you're stressed about, this is bullshit.

1185
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,920
This doesn't matter. And I think that time in North

1186
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,680
Carolina will be in infinite will of strength for him

1187
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,760
going forward in his life.

1188
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need that water table that just marks the

1189
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,640
lowest spot and once you're there, everything else is uphill.

1190
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,720
Like I've you know, I've jumped out of a fucking

1191
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,520
plane before. I'm like, you know, hey, come on, be honest,

1192
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,479
why are you being such a chicken shit about this

1193
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,039
one little thing?

1194
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:55,359
Speaker 1: Dude?

1195
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: You jumped out of a fucking plane. You're like, yeah,

1196
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,479
I did, so it makes the next challenge a little easier.

1197
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1198
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,159
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, I've been homeless for fucking months and years.

1199
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,720
It's like, what are they going to do to me? Like,

1200
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,159
you know, I mean, once you've lived a certain life,

1201
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:14,239
it's pretty easy to just go, oh, yeah, okay, well no,

1202
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:16,960
I don't need ninety nine percent of the shit I

1203
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,319
have because I survived quite fine on one percent, and

1204
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:22,680
so it's easier to just step up to the plate

1205
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,039
each time. And you know what you're you're an instrument of.

1206
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:30,520
Speaker 3: Is there a regimented process that AA has for how

1207
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,520
much for doing community service? Is there like an order

1208
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,720
of operations? Do they have certain groups that they help out?

1209
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,399
Basically tell me how that work is assigned?

1210
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it can, Like we have people that go

1211
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:43,960
out to prisons all the time. A lot of it's

1212
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:47,479
just like, look, some people are going to fight that process.

1213
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,840
They don't know how to do it. So the sponsor's

1214
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,199
job is to just say, hey, well.

1215
01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 3: Multilely, by the time they find the OGC, they will

1216
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,479
want to do it. Because I mean, you have to

1217
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,159
already be in the game to know we exist. But

1218
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,000
let's just say that they've already found it and already

1219
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:00,680
want to do it.

1220
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, that's well, there's no limit to that.

1221
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,600
You can do whatever you want. We have people that

1222
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,560
don't work anymore. They're retired, so one hundred percent of

1223
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,119
their life is either sponsoring guys, which takes time out

1224
01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:16,000
of your day a lot. It involves getting in the

1225
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,920
car and meeting with people and doing stuff. It involves

1226
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,279
sitting down with them and listening to their stories and

1227
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,399
writing out a bunch of inventory, which is just the

1228
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,560
process of getting that person to see how toxic their

1229
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,319
life really is. Because we have the equivalent of confession,

1230
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,880
only it goes a little bit one step further in

1231
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,600
the sense that when we look at our lives, we've

1232
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,800
got to be able to find out exactly what the

1233
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,600
nature of our wrongs is. And it's not because I

1234
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,920
stole twenty bucks out of the till. The problem's way

1235
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,720
deeper than that. So when you start to integrate service work,

1236
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:56,000
it becomes it's like, hey, this is how this is

1237
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:59,560
how I stay humble, this is how I remind myself

1238
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,680
on a daily The basis that it's not the devil

1239
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,399
driving the fucking moped. You know, I have a new driver.

1240
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,279
You know, you know it's like and this is the

1241
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,039
life I live now because as I continue to do this,

1242
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,520
I get rewarded and now things I used to fear

1243
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,000
I no longer fear things I used to dread about

1244
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,840
the past. I'm totally at peace with things that you

1245
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:23,319
used to see.

1246
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:25,399
Speaker 3: There's some there's some things I think are really interesting

1247
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:28,039
about as as far as like the as far as

1248
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:34,319
being humbled has to do with it, because you're going

1249
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:36,600
to have as this grows, you're going to I mean,

1250
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,600
just just from what I saw and just some of

1251
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:48,399
the people that I talked to, like Ron Dohnson also

1252
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:54,119
fantastic guy. Everyone, uh, everyone should be very thankful that

1253
01:12:55,159 --> 01:13:00,439
run Grace's is periodically with with his takes and his insights.

1254
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,960
He's a very smart dude. But he and I have

1255
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:08,159
like come from a finance background. You had guys that

1256
01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:13,279
were nurses, your guys that are in between jobs, and

1257
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,600
creating a place where everyone is at the same I mean,

1258
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:23,680
in any other social setting, there would be barriers between

1259
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,680
me and the guy without a job, even if we

1260
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,640
never even if neither of us ever mentioned it. You

1261
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:35,520
know that would exist, and I think it's very important

1262
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:41,439
to remove those. I don't know if Pete am I

1263
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,279
making any sense?

1264
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, you are the the having people

1265
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,960
like him around. Yes, that that's what's important. That's I

1266
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,880
think that's why we're trying to have more calls, you know,

1267
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,359
where we get together and we talk to invite people

1268
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,119
like like ron On to talk and get his opinion

1269
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:13,359
on things like that, and people like like Heywood and

1270
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,800
other people because going forward, well, I mean they have

1271
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:25,199
they have experienced I mean, these let's just call them elite.

1272
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,960
I mean, these are these are some of the elites

1273
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,640
of the elite. So yeah, yeah, I mean I know,

1274
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:33,680
I know what you're saying.

1275
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: Well, if Stormy knows a lot about money and has

1276
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,600
a history of finance, teach guys that don't know shit

1277
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,319
about how to get their lives in order financially, like,

1278
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,680
just teach them how to do it. You know, just say, hey,

1279
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,560
Tuesday night, I'm having a fucking seminar. Like I know

1280
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,640
a lot of shit about certain things. I would just

1281
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,439
gladly give my fucking time. Like like literally, if I

1282
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,760
lived in an actual zip.

1283
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: Code, yeah, it's like, well it's for you.

1284
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: You will feel amazing about it. It's like, yeah, you

1285
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,039
will feel amazing about it because we're answering the questions

1286
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:12,960
where does service work fit in? Where does God fit in?

1287
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:15,600
This is how you do that is you get the

1288
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,199
fuck out of yourself and you stretch yourself beyond the

1289
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:22,960
comfort zone because your comfort zone. That that's how that's

1290
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,840
how the devil drives your fucking moped because you're.

1291
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 3: Comfortable on next uh, next Thursday night, I'll have to actually, no, sorry,

1292
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,520
it'll have to be two weeks from now, but maybe

1293
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,479
I will do something like that. That's a very good idea.

1294
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: He comes out and he says, look, are you guys

1295
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,920
trying to do any type of community organizing? Are you

1296
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,800
battling with some level of bureaucracy? Are you one of

1297
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,479
those guys that's trying to maybe get a city council position?

1298
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,279
Call me, I know the fucking ropes. I can probably

1299
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:54,720
help you or direct you to people that can help you.

1300
01:15:55,039 --> 01:15:57,199
I've got family and friends that are running for a

1301
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,520
city council position in Seattle. And based on the last

1302
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,760
OGC speech, the one I really paid attention to was

1303
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,800
the one where they were talking about how, look, you

1304
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,720
can't just flee to the fucking country. We need our

1305
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,000
guys in the city trying to influence the political machine

1306
01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:16,640
on a local level so that life for the people

1307
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,359
out in the country is bearable. You know, I would

1308
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,520
love to move to Washington State, but not if Seattle

1309
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,439
and Salem are full of a bunch of blue haired psychos.

1310
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,640
Because no matter how I tried to live my life

1311
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,479
in the country, there's if the city's not fixed, And

1312
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,680
how do we get our guys to influence the city.

1313
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,119
What people like prudential Iss say, fucking call me and

1314
01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:45,880
I'll help you. That's what the networking is. It's like,

1315
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,600
I don't know how to do this, but I know

1316
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,800
a guy who knows a guy gee, who's really famous

1317
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,600
for knowing how to do that. These are basic signs

1318
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,840
that you have your shit together as a group. Is

1319
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,119
that people are not left alone. I'm trying to buy

1320
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,520
a house. I've never bought a house. Does anybody here

1321
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,680
know how to fucking buy a house without getting totally fucked?

1322
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:08,039
You know, does anybody know how to do that? And

1323
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:11,800
people will be like, yes, we do. Call this guy.

1324
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,960
You know, I'm at the fucking break check and they said,

1325
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,800
I need thirteen thousand dollars worth of breakwork. Call Andy,

1326
01:17:20,119 --> 01:17:24,239
see if that estimate makes sense, you know. You know,

1327
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,760
so everybody's got their area that they're pretty good at

1328
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,119
and they can they can contribute because I need a butcher,

1329
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,039
a baker, and a fucking candlestick maker. Why because I'm

1330
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:39,119
a mechanic. You know, I don't know anything about butcher

1331
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:42,479
and baking or candlestick making. So I need the people

1332
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,920
in my community to help me in the areas that

1333
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:48,479
I don't know about. And when everybody does that for

1334
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,439
each other, it's pretty simple. You now have a You

1335
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,119
now have this thing called power that we claim we

1336
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:59,199
don't have any of. Well, you know, that's where it

1337
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:01,439
comes from.

1338
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1339
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,279
Speaker 2: It's just networking, you know, and you got to have

1340
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:06,359
people that are willing to answer the phone and drop

1341
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:09,520
what they're doing and help a brother out. Sometimes it's

1342
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,279
just guidance, Sometimes it's advice. Sometimes I go through my

1343
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:16,039
Rolodex and I say, hey, you're in Arkansas, call this dude,

1344
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:23,079
and then shit happens, you know, And that's service work.

1345
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:29,439
That's just being available and fucking addressing the fact that

1346
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,920
this guy needs somebody in the group to help him.

1347
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,680
With something that he has no experience in. He doesn't

1348
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,199
need to be a master of all trades. He's got

1349
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,920
friends that are butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers, so he

1350
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,279
can focus on fixing transmissions. You know, I don't need

1351
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,840
to learn how to be a real estate agent. You know,

1352
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,079
I can call somebody in our group that says, hey,

1353
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,199
I'm going to be buying some property over here. This

1354
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:55,399
is what I want to do. I want to retire there,

1355
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,720
but I don't know how to buy a fucking house.

1356
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,840
I watch a couple videos and they just automatically mentioned

1357
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,319
ten things that I never would have looked for. So

1358
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,399
I'm out of my league. I want to talk to

1359
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,600
somebody that's in their league, and that way I don't

1360
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,560
run into a bunch of fucking complic Because I want

1361
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,479
to be useful for the group. I'm not useful to

1362
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,920
the group if I'm constantly having to learn the hard

1363
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,600
way how to get basic shit in my life done,

1364
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,960
like money, relationships, marriage, property. You know, if I don't

1365
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,239
know how to do any of that stuff, then my

1366
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:31,560
contributions to the group are hugely diminished. But if I've

1367
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,399
got people helping me with those things, now my excess

1368
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:39,239
is fully at the disposal to the OGC because I'm

1369
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:42,239
now my problems are solved, because you guys help me.

1370
01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:44,640
Now I have no problems. Now I can start solving

1371
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,800
other people's problems. You know. It's just a it's a

1372
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,600
contagious effect. And it starts with that fraternity. It starts

1373
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,239
with the character building, It starts with the network, and

1374
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:58,000
it starts with people learning basic shit about stewardship and

1375
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:01,680
community and service work and hey, are we in this

1376
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,720
together or not? Because when I look behind me, I

1377
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,399
want to see some brave heart looking motherfuckers behind me

1378
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:08,640
because I'll be there for you.

1379
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should end it right there. We can,

1380
01:20:16,119 --> 01:20:18,199
we can keep going, and I think we'll be uh

1381
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,000
repeating a lot of what we already what we what

1382
01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:23,680
we've already reiterated. I think there's a lot there to

1383
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,239
chew on, and probably a lot there to upset everybody.

1384
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,920
Upset something there to upset everyone, and also hopefully to

1385
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:41,000
make people think and to give people ideas for going forward,

1386
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:44,319
because we're not going to We're not going to be

1387
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:50,680
able to get through this unless we can come together.

1388
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:54,319
But in order to come together, we also need UH

1389
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,359
need high quality people and the first. I'm the first

1390
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:04,960
person to admit that, you know, I'm far from perfect.

1391
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,079
I'm there's nothing, there's nothing perfect about me. But I

1392
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:15,560
hope that i'm uh, that I'm still teachable and that

1393
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,479
I can keep learning.

1394
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,079
Speaker 2: Well, we need marines in this spiritual warfare.

1395
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: You know, you read a lot of books, Pete, You're

1396
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,319
definitely able to keep learning. Yeah.

1397
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 2: See, I don't have to read all that shit. I

1398
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,439
can call Pete, you know, give me, give me the gist. Well,

1399
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,479
I mean, I'm now smarter and I can have conversations

1400
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,199
with other people because I didn't do all the fucking work.

1401
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:41,680
I literally inherited the gist. You know, it's another thing.

1402
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,840
A lot of us we don't need. The historical deep

1403
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,159
dives are great for the intellectuals, but a lot of

1404
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:49,880
us just need to know what's the fucking story. Like

1405
01:21:50,119 --> 01:21:53,319
Stormy was talking about, you know, who are we as

1406
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:55,399
the people? I'd like to answer the first question, which

1407
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,479
is whose fucking house is this that we live in?

1408
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,840
Is this ours? And if it's ours, well then that's

1409
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,159
a totally different course of action that we need to take.

1410
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,840
If it's not ours. I was proposing that maybe we

1411
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,760
handle our issue like a union, but you know, like

1412
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:17,840
a union fighting a corporation that seems to be more

1413
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,479
directly analogous and provides a whole avenue of solutions if

1414
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,279
we treat the fact that this is not our house anymore,

1415
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:29,000
that it's been sold and is now owned by new

1416
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:32,439
people that don't have our interests at heart. So how

1417
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,359
do unions get the attention of a corporation? I think

1418
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:39,960
that's how heritage Americans are going to have to negotiate

1419
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:44,279
this thing, much like a union and union history is

1420
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,000
full of fucking solutions, and like right now, the UFC

1421
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,640
is going through this like right now as we speak.

1422
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,359
We have court documents, we have It shows you the

1423
01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:59,279
mind of these people that rule us, you know, just

1424
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:03,000
to learn what their actual attitude is. This is how

1425
01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:06,079
they treat us, This is what they think about us.

1426
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:10,279
We need to know that, you know, I.

1427
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: Think we know, Yeah, I think we I don't think

1428
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,600
you're going to get a better spot than right there

1429
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:15,520
and end on.

1430
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Stormy has to get out

1431
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,760
of here. So I appreciate you, Stormy talk you man,

1432
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,399
hey man, taking the taking the time because I know

1433
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,159
you're busy.

1434
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:29,319
Speaker 3: Now I'm in Pakistan.

1435
01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And in Pakistan, I'm going to go to the

1436
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:38,680
that market up in the up in the mountains on

1437
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,279
the border of Afghanistan and uh shoot some rpds.

1438
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,319
Speaker 3: Later, I'm gonna see if somebody can lend me a

1439
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:50,239
mule and get on up there. All right, gentlemen, I'm

1440
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:54,119
gonna stop the seven by seven, six two by thirty

1441
01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:55,760
nine crisis in the US.

1442
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: All right, great show, guys.

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01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, everybody, don't don't leave the chat until everything upload,

1444
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,039
so I'm gonna end up're recording right now. Thank you.

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Really enjoyed it. Take care.