Speaker 1: Welcome to the nonprofits. Our third story this week.
Speaker 2: Takes us into the halls of Congress where Huse speaker
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson recently quoted Thomas Jefferson during his National Prayer?
Speaker 1: Or did he? Chris Mallard? Can he help clarify?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Scott. According to Johnson, Thomas Jefferson supposedly recited
Speaker 3: the National Prayer of Peace every day of his presidency,
Speaker 3: even right up until his death. But let's take a
Speaker 3: moment here, that's not quite the truth. The Jefferson Foundation
Speaker 3: and historians have been clear that there is no historical
Speaker 3: evidence to support this so called prayer by Jefferson, and
Speaker 3: they've labeled it as frankly bogus. And Johnson isn't the
Speaker 3: first person to trot out this nonsense. It's been making
Speaker 3: the rounds in certain religious circles for years. Now. Here's
Speaker 3: where it really gets interesting. Thomas Jefferson wasn't exactly the
Speaker 3: pious Christian many want him to be. He leaned heavily
Speaker 3: towards deism, belief system that acknowledges the Creator but rejects
Speaker 3: organize religion and divine intervention in human affairs. Jefferson wasn't
Speaker 3: skeptical or He was skeptical of many core Christian doctrines,
Speaker 3: like the divinity of Jesus or miracles, and he even
Speaker 3: went so far as to create his own version of
Speaker 3: the Bible, removing all the supernatural elements and focusing solely
Speaker 3: on Jesus's teachings. So, while Jefferson may have respected the
Speaker 3: moral teachings of Christianity, he firmly believed that religion should
Speaker 3: be a personal matter. In fact, he was so passionate
Speaker 3: about this that he wrote the Virginia's Statute for Religious
Speaker 3: Freedom in seventeen seventy six, which was adopted in seventeen
Speaker 3: eighty six. That statute was essentially the first legal attempt
Speaker 3: in our young nation's history to separate church from state,
Speaker 3: a principle he championed throughout his career. When I hear
Speaker 3: Johnson's claim, I feel it it's like yet another attempt
Speaker 3: to rewrite history, to turn someone who is openly critical
Speaker 3: of institutionalized religion into some kind of Christian mascot. Jefferson's
Speaker 3: actual beliefs tell a very different story, one that underscores
Speaker 3: his commitment to personal freedom and the separation of religion
Speaker 3: and government. This was from an article from Newsbreak by
Speaker 3: Kelly Dallas on January seventh, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Chris, you were talking about how Speaker
Speaker 2: Johnson was misquoting Jefferson and was being called out for it.
Speaker 1: But is this author burying the lead here?
Speaker 3: I think so, don't you think so? Anybody else to
Speaker 3: show of hands? I mean, they're like, the real thing
Speaker 3: here is Johnson's up there, the third, I believe, the
Speaker 3: third highest political power in the land, and he's up
Speaker 3: there spouting misinformation and doing prayers. The prayer itself is
Speaker 3: really what should be taken as the biggest defense, and
Speaker 3: that's kind of one of the things I noticed. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: wait a second, this author really seems to be like,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, my pearls about the fact that he's
Speaker 3: misquoting Johnson. He's upset because he's misquoting or Jefferson, right,
Speaker 3: not that he's praying leading a national prayer from our
Speaker 3: country in the name of our country.
Speaker 1: So it's how he's praying, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a second, Well, yeah, it's it's one of
Speaker 3: those How can you be so oblivious to the obvious fact.
Speaker 3: I was surprised as I kept waiting reading the article.
Speaker 3: I was going on, right, man, here he goes, he's
Speaker 3: going to say it, He's going to say it. But
Speaker 3: in the very beginning they just kind of skipped over it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of weird that they're doing a
Speaker 3: prayer at all. But right, okay, what evs can you
Speaker 3: believe they misquoted?
Speaker 4: Like okay, how dare they how when when when they're
Speaker 4: giving a prayer and you know, government function, how dare
Speaker 4: they miss you know, use the wrong person or say
Speaker 4: the wrong thing.
Speaker 3: And it would have been even more It would have
Speaker 3: been appropriate had they leaned into why misquoting Jefferson was
Speaker 3: important or or mister tribute this to Jefferson. But they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't. They just kind of up Jefferson and they
Speaker 3: kind of barely went, you know, he's kind of against
Speaker 3: this sort of thing. They didn't really talk about the statute,
Speaker 3: the Virginia Statute of separation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They didn't talk about any of those things. So you're
Speaker 3: left wondering, well, why did you write this article at all? Right,
Speaker 3: But yeah, it does seem like they really stepped over
Speaker 3: the biggest point to just elucidate this tiny little thing. Again,
Speaker 3: they could have, especially had they been really detailed about
Speaker 3: what Jefferson was about, that would have made more sense
Speaker 3: as to why they're doing this. But really, I think
Speaker 3: the focus, the main light should have been shined on
Speaker 3: the fact that the guy's leading a national prayer.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, exactly, Eli, I want to jump over
Speaker 2: to you. I'm gonna I don't think I'm going too
Speaker 2: far out on a limb if I say that I
Speaker 2: don't think you support public prayers led by government officials.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we're on the same boat
Speaker 2: on this panel, But why is that a particular issue
Speaker 2: as especially when we're talking about government officials?
Speaker 5: So kind of exactly, like Chris said at the very
Speaker 5: beginning of this artlist, is the problem, at least according
Speaker 5: to some scholars, wasn't that he prayed in the US Capitol?
Speaker 5: And and I second guessed myself, I'm like, isn't that
Speaker 5: like exactly the problem?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: And it's because, as you said, Chris, he is second
Speaker 5: in line, so the third like that, there's the president,
Speaker 5: vice president, and then the Speaker of the House is
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson. He's a third person in line for the presidency,
Speaker 5: and he's basically declaring, here the prayer reads in part,
Speaker 5: or it goes.
Speaker 6: In part, I should.
Speaker 5: Say, in time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness
Speaker 5: and the day, Yeah, Jesus Christ our lord. A men. Right,
Speaker 5: So he's he's he's declaring Jesus Christ as our collective lord,
Speaker 5: at least for like Congress, at least for the House
Speaker 5: of Representatives, in like in the office on official time,
Speaker 5: like like the official Like that is a thing you
Speaker 5: can't do. Like I'm nogal expert here, but like that's
Speaker 5: that sounds a lot to me, like establishing, you know.
Speaker 6: A preferred religious doctrine.
Speaker 5: So the fact that this is happening at all absolutely
Speaker 5: blows my mind. And and that he's doing it. That's
Speaker 5: when I think the problem is that he is so
Speaker 5: high in that chain and that he's basically declaring, like, yep,
Speaker 5: this is the guy he's ours for all of us.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess we could latch onto that the author's
Speaker 3: point now as briefly as he made it, as weekly
Speaker 3: as he made it, and for Johnson in that position
Speaker 3: to use that prayer and then try to rewrite John Jefferson,
Speaker 3: who is actually a proponent of the separation of church
Speaker 3: and state. So it's like a double whammy here. Not
Speaker 3: only did he do the prayer, but he also tried
Speaker 3: to make it sound like the person who put originally
Speaker 3: put that wedge between church and state didn't really do that.
Speaker 3: And every day was walking around saying this prayer.
Speaker 2: Right, it's almost like he's injury and adding insult to injury. Right,
Speaker 2: you're using the prayer, but then you are misquoting it
Speaker 2: to make somebody, you know, seem like they were against
Speaker 2: what they you know, what was one of the most
Speaker 2: important philosophies in their in their life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian conservative politician would mislead people in this fashion
Speaker 3: is on brand for them, to be honest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was in my notes too, that like the
Speaker 5: exactly that same thing. It's just that Jefferson absolutely would
Speaker 5: not have agreed with the use of a prayer in
Speaker 5: this context. Even if he did use that prayer privately,
Speaker 5: and like let's say it worked true that privately every
Speaker 5: day he would wake up or go before you go
Speaker 5: to bed, he would pray this particularly that great, he
Speaker 5: wouldn't have done it in public office for sure. He
Speaker 5: wouldn't have like encouraged others to do it or like
Speaker 5: force others to because he didn't like that that that
Speaker 5: wasn't how he viewed the relationship and the interplay between
Speaker 5: religion and government, and that I think that makes it,
Speaker 5: like you guys have said, even more.
Speaker 1: So, Eli, then do you think that I mean, you know, we're.
Speaker 2: All surprised that the article focused too much on the
Speaker 2: content of the prayer rather than the fact that there
Speaker 2: was a prayer in the first place. So do you
Speaker 2: think that might have been an intentional move on the
Speaker 2: part of the author? Is he trying to downplay the
Speaker 2: prayer itself and kind of make a bigger deal out
Speaker 2: of the It's kind of like a like a an
Speaker 2: illusionist doing a distraction, right, Look at this hand over here,
Speaker 2: and then you won't notice what you know, me, you know,
Speaker 2: stacking the deck with my left hand or whatever. Does
Speaker 2: this mean that there's a shift in public interest? Do
Speaker 2: you think that prayer is being official, prayer is being normalized?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think the author, Kelsey Dallas, kind of shows
Speaker 5: their hand by saying at the beating, like I mentioned already,
Speaker 5: the problem wasn't that he prayed in the US capital.
Speaker 5: They don't see that as a problem. It's one of
Speaker 5: those things that it's like, well, yeah, you can pray
Speaker 5: in the capital, only it's a pretty entry. You know,
Speaker 5: there's a Christian Christian nation front that on Christian principles,
Speaker 5: so of course you're going to pray. And it's sort
Speaker 5: of coming to this point where I think conservative voters,
Speaker 5: at least for the most part, have said before this
Speaker 5: week a couple episodes.
Speaker 6: Now, no, no group.
Speaker 5: Is a monolith, but there is a vast section of
Speaker 5: conservative voter that have interwoven their their religious faith and
Speaker 5: their political views so tightly that they they don't there
Speaker 5: is no distinguishing between the two, all of their political stances,
Speaker 5: everything that they vote on, everything that they go to
Speaker 5: the polls for has it's some like the their reason
Speaker 5: for doing so is religious and when they see things
Speaker 5: like this they don't see it as problematic. They think
Speaker 5: they think, not only would a good leader, you know,
Speaker 5: use their their publicly elected office to declare one deity
Speaker 5: as the lord of all.
Speaker 6: People in the building, but they should do that.
Speaker 5: That's what there's a there's a a vast chunk of
Speaker 5: voters who think that that's the way things off be done.
Speaker 6: And that's for the problem.
Speaker 2: So we were familiar with the idea of a single
Speaker 2: issue voter, right, somebody who's going to vote based off
Speaker 2: a single issue. But in a way, what we're looking
Speaker 2: at here is single issue livers. You know, people with
Speaker 2: single issue lives. They want to direct everything towards the
Speaker 2: praise of this of this deity, and and I don't know,
Speaker 2: that just seems a little misguided to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if Chris, what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I agree, it's a really it feels like Mike Johnson
Speaker 3: is trying to smooth over the fact right that he's
Speaker 3: praying officially in the country's name. He's trying to smooth
Speaker 3: that over by referencing Thomas Jefferson, who was a proponent
Speaker 3: of the separation of church and state, and trying to
Speaker 3: make it sound like he was on or Jefferson essentially
Speaker 3: did the same thing. It's clear miss misinterpretation of what
Speaker 3: Jefferson done. I believe it's quite intentional, and I think
Speaker 3: it's he wanted to say the prayer. He wanted to
Speaker 3: get up there and do it for our nation, and
Speaker 3: this this is his way of kind of mitigating the backwash.
Speaker 3: He just kind of screwed up our backlash. He screwed
Speaker 3: up in his well, he didn't. He did exactly what
Speaker 3: he wanted to do. And then, of course the author
Speaker 3: of the article elucidated that the fact that he pointed
Speaker 3: out the little, tiny, little the little piece of information
Speaker 3: that oh yeah, this isn't really the way Johnson would
Speaker 3: have done it, and then moved on talked about something else,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, right, so you're you're thinking it was an
Speaker 2: intentional yahs. Interesting, Elian. I want to get your opinion
Speaker 2: on that. I want to couch it slightly differently, though,
Speaker 2: I want us to look at the context of the
Speaker 2: New Testament. Okay, I want you got to take it
Speaker 2: in context, right, But we often hear about the four
Speaker 2: Gospels that they're all different, and one of the explanations
Speaker 2: is that the and we hear this from Bible scholars,
Speaker 2: is that the four different authors were kind of telling
Speaker 2: a similar story, but they were adding things to the
Speaker 2: story to support their their particular perspectives or the particular
Speaker 2: point that they're trying to make.
Speaker 1: And so in a.
Speaker 2: Way we can see examples of that as like you
Speaker 2: might call it a literary style. I think that Bible
Speaker 2: believers would would probably you know, rail against that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that they would take offense if we call
Speaker 2: that just merely a literary style.
Speaker 1: But do you think that what's that the emphasis?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so they're they're they're focusing the emphasis depending
Speaker 2: on their personal political agendas here. So let's compare that
Speaker 2: to what with what Johnson is doing here. Chris was
Speaker 2: saying that he thought that Johnson was intentionally misrepresenting what
Speaker 2: Jefferson says, but we could also argue that maybe he
Speaker 2: was just telling the story with a slight enhancement or
Speaker 2: little tweaks for for for for for to support his
Speaker 2: perspective is do you think that's maybe happening or do
Speaker 2: you think he's just flat out lying? I mean, either
Speaker 2: way we're gonna there's problems. It's problematic. But do you
Speaker 2: do you agree that it was intentional or do you
Speaker 2: think it's or do you think he's just trying to
Speaker 2: be literary and flowery with his language?
Speaker 5: I think so he definitely As far as whether he
Speaker 5: knows it's true or not, who can you know it's
Speaker 5: anybody's Yes, Apparently other people.
Speaker 6: Have gotten that wrong before too.
Speaker 5: I had never heard of the prayer or anything, but
Speaker 5: like other people have attributed to him before as well,
Speaker 5: so he could have have gotten it from some.
Speaker 6: Source and not realized it was wrong.
Speaker 5: But if it were to be, you know, even if
Speaker 5: it were just like, oh, I'm just tweaking it to
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, enhance my platform, Like that's still lying, right,
Speaker 5: it's still But what I think more what I think
Speaker 5: more likely is the case is that by using somebody
Speaker 5: like Thomas Jefferson, and he even in his speech he
Speaker 5: frames him as you know, a reminders a reminder of
Speaker 5: what our third president and the primary author of the
Speaker 5: Declaration of Independence thought was so important. So he made
Speaker 5: sure to emphasize like, you know, independence, you know, founding
Speaker 5: father sort of because of how because of the tendency
Speaker 5: that conservative voters have to lean on nostalgia and that
Speaker 5: idea of independence and freedom and liberty and yeah yah,
Speaker 5: and not realizing that like, we don't have it the
Speaker 5: way that they say that they think that we do,
Speaker 5: but that they he leans into that a little bit harder,
Speaker 5: just to sort of amplify his message a little bit more,
Speaker 5: because that that same group of voters are there's a
Speaker 5: are there there's a lot of overlap between that group
Speaker 5: of voters and the group of voters that make all
Speaker 5: of their choices based on their religion. So he's just
Speaker 5: sort of increasing the slice of pie that he's connecting
Speaker 5: with by tossing that in there.
Speaker 2: That's right, interesting, Chris. Do you agree with what Eli
Speaker 2: was saying? And I want to add a little spin
Speaker 2: to this. Do you think that he is and I
Speaker 2: know this is puer speculation. We're trying to peer into
Speaker 2: the mind of the Speaker of the House here, but
Speaker 2: do you think the lie is the goal?
Speaker 1: Or do you think he views.
Speaker 2: The lie as necessary means to an end.
Speaker 1: Maybe he feels justified. He maybe he feels it's wrong,
Speaker 1: but he feels justified in saying that we've heard that before.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, one of the things that it could be,
Speaker 3: and to give, if we will, the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3: It could be that Mike Johnson dips into where it
Speaker 3: could be just a reflection of where he gets his information.
Speaker 3: He said, down the computer one day, He's like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to deliver a national prayer, looked up at his
Speaker 3: little Google. Google is all you know how Google or
Speaker 3: whatever tones its search to you. So he searched for
Speaker 3: national prayer and he found the misinformation that you know,
Speaker 3: and because it's probably on his kind of stuff, right,
Speaker 3: that's this is exactly the calls coming from within the
Speaker 3: house thing, right. Remember, So I'm just saying that it's
Speaker 3: possible that he didn't do it on purpose. He actually
Speaker 3: believed that this was something that Thomas Jefferson did because
Speaker 3: when he did his and I'm going to use the
Speaker 3: word forgive me, forgive me research, he fell into his
Speaker 3: own levels of misinformation, you know, right, yeah, and didn't
Speaker 3: go beyond any of that.
Speaker 2: Really, you know, your your description there just brought this
Speaker 2: amazing image to mine. I pictured Johnson like the night
Speaker 2: before the speech, sitting down and thinking, shoot, I have
Speaker 2: to give a national prayer, and he Google's National prayer
Speaker 2: and then this comes up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are lazy. Yes, yes, they're definitely lazy. Excellent, excellent.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about this article is that
Speaker 2: it's and we don't run across this all that often,
Speaker 2: but when when we do find this, I like to
Speaker 2: I like to dive into this just headfirst.
Speaker 1: They left commenting open on the.
Speaker 2: Article, okay, and so I like to skim through then
Speaker 2: and see what people actual human beings. I'm assuming. I
Speaker 2: suppose maybe that's not a safe bet these days. But
Speaker 2: so this is what some of the people say. And
Speaker 2: I wrote down three particular comments that I thought interesting,
Speaker 2: and so I'll read them to you, and then in
Speaker 2: between each one, I'll just get some quick feedback from
Speaker 2: from each of you what you think. This first one
Speaker 2: was from a user by the name of Barbara Thompson,
Speaker 2: and Barbara said, quote, if you can't remember, like Harris,
Speaker 2: it may be time to read the Pledge of Alliance,
Speaker 2: One Nation under God. We are not forced to believe anything,
Speaker 2: but I choose to believe in God, and I lean
Speaker 2: on my faith.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to.
Speaker 2: Know I'm saved and I'm and saved through Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: And so Barbara was saying that, you know the Pledge
Speaker 2: of Allegiance or she said Pledge of Alliance obviously miss
Speaker 2: labeling that, but it says one Nation under God right there, Eli,
Speaker 2: What do.
Speaker 1: You what do you think about this particular commenter?
Speaker 5: Well, I like that, somebody replied, because I'm looking at
Speaker 5: it right now to you. Somebody replied to me and said,
Speaker 5: what is the Pledge of Alliance?
Speaker 6: Which I think is hilarious.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Barbara, under gone wasn't added until nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 5: We know this, right, So just I mean read read
Speaker 5: the Pledge of Alliance?
Speaker 6: When when should we read the Pledge of Alliance?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it over because she starts with the comment by
Speaker 2: criticizing Kamala.
Speaker 5: Harris's right, Barbara, if.
Speaker 2: You can't remember, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Chris, what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: That is some Christian projection like at his fondest is
Speaker 3: it not? You know, one of the things whenever you
Speaker 3: see it's they do that often. They'll come in, like
Speaker 3: my comments, I'll place the video and they'll come in
Speaker 3: and they'll call me stupid, or they'll attack me personally
Speaker 3: with an ad hominem and then misrepresent something or misquote something.
Speaker 3: It's it's quite hilarious. I'm glad you found that on that.
Speaker 2: You know, it seems like I maybe I just noticed
Speaker 2: this more often, but it seems like whenever somebody is
Speaker 2: ranting and criticizing the intelligence of somebody else, it seems
Speaker 2: to me that they always have a spelling error or
Speaker 2: a grammar error, or in this case, they have totally
Speaker 2: the wrong word.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's cut them a little bit of
Speaker 1: slack here.
Speaker 2: It might have been something like an autocorrect or something
Speaker 2: like that, but come on, double check it before you
Speaker 2: hit that return key. All right, So let's go on
Speaker 2: to this next comment. This is from a user by
Speaker 2: the name of c. Name is s I Conacento, Espanol,
Speaker 2: and so SE's comment was, the Bible states its hypocrisy
Speaker 2: to pray in public. Prayer is a private matter between
Speaker 2: one's own self and their God.
Speaker 1: Chris, what are your thoughts with that?
Speaker 3: I would really appreciate if that. I'll just keep it
Speaker 3: to themselves.
Speaker 2: Right, Ye'll do what Jesus says, not what Jesus does.
Speaker 1: Right is that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you see that exactly, That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Oftentimes they will they will claim to be people of
Speaker 3: peace while swinging a weapon, you know, they they they
Speaker 3: talk about being people of love while oppressing other people.
Speaker 3: I'm such a glorious I raised my voice up to Christ.
Speaker 3: And then they get home and they mistreat their trans
Speaker 3: child because they don't like it, or they don't talk,
Speaker 3: or they ostracize their their gay child. So there's a
Speaker 3: lot of contradiction. It's projection, lies contradiction, it's it seems
Speaker 3: to be like a signature move of Christianity. I never
Speaker 3: really saw it when I was young, When I was when,
Speaker 3: you know, it just now that I'm older and I'm
Speaker 3: engaging more with them, you know, from my I see
Speaker 3: it all the time. I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can't believe you're really trying to push that off on us.
Speaker 3: It's a bunch of young right.
Speaker 2: Well, do you think maybe we're just now we're starting
Speaker 2: to push back. I mean, maybe you think they've been
Speaker 2: doing it all along. It's just nobody really cared.
Speaker 3: Oh well, some people I think did care. It's just
Speaker 3: our voices are getting stronger, you know. And sometimes they
Speaker 3: come in my chat and they're like, oh, hey, you
Speaker 3: big mean atheists. I'm like, wait to say, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: wait wait, we're the ones we've been we're being oppressed.
Speaker 3: We're the ones you're imposing your theocracy on us, and
Speaker 3: you come and tell us not to struggle. We should
Speaker 3: take this line down. We should be oh yes, sir, yes, sir,
Speaker 3: we should what use words? I mean, no, No, you're
Speaker 3: trying to impose your theocracy on my wife and my
Speaker 3: daughter and my children in schools, and yet you don't
Speaker 3: want me to be angry about that, oh angry as
Speaker 3: so yeah, there's and of course coming from these people.
Speaker 3: You know, they come at us about their arguments about morality.
Speaker 3: How can we have morals without God? And then you
Speaker 3: look at the things that God, the God itself does,
Speaker 3: and you got two thousand years of the followers living
Speaker 3: by these morals, of examples of watching them, the horrific
Speaker 3: things they do and the have they have a nerve
Speaker 3: to say that we can't have morals without God. It's
Speaker 3: just there's a lot coming set coming at us, you know.
Speaker 1: From I totally agree Eli. I want to read.
Speaker 2: I want to read one last comment, and then I
Speaker 2: want a quick word from Eli, and then we'll have
Speaker 2: to wrap things up here.
Speaker 1: This is what was my favorite comment that I read there.
Speaker 2: It was from a user by the name of Gladys Vogel,
Speaker 2: and Gladys said, people, have you not fear of God?
Speaker 1: A divided nation will not stand.
Speaker 2: Stop your squabbles and show respect and humility for others, ironically,
Speaker 2: even if you don't agree with their views. Prayer emoji,
Speaker 2: heart emoji, Someday we are all going to stand before
Speaker 2: and then she switches to all caps someday we're going
Speaker 2: to stand before the real judge and give an accounts.
Speaker 1: Eli. Does that put the fear of God in your hearts?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does a little bit, especially how the exclamation
Speaker 5: works at the end in the capital letters, because she
Speaker 5: didn't stop, she didn't go back to lowercase, she ended
Speaker 5: it out with capital. So but you see, I see
Speaker 5: stuff like this all the time. And like even if
Speaker 5: you go on the videos where it's like, hey, like
Speaker 5: here's the reasons why I like the Bibles, I don't
Speaker 5: trust the Bible, or like why I don't believe in that,
Speaker 5: and then they'll just come in and say things like
Speaker 5: this like no, I don't have fear of God because
Speaker 5: I don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, fear of what? What? No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, hear it. But all those exclamation points
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: What, until until right this moment, it was a matter
Speaker 1: of volume.
Speaker 2: That's why I that's why it wasn't clicking in my head.
Speaker 2: It's all about the volume, right, Okay, all right, well, excellent,
Speaker 2: great discussion. Uh guys, and I think we'll have to
Speaker 2: wrap up this, uh this episode here and but it