Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm Stephen, and this is a podcast all
Speaker 2: about the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy
Speaker 2: anthology series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea and
Speaker 2: join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you. I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay taking along.
Speaker 2: How's your week going back at school?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit of a shock to the system
Speaker 1: going back to work after the luxury of six weeks off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be tricky. It's bad enough having a
Speaker 2: week or two off. Yeah, my job alone six.
Speaker 1: Weeks yeah, and then it's all changed as well, because
Speaker 1: you know, new class, new teacher, everything. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm good? Been a fun weekend down London. Yes, so
Speaker 2: for listeners of your other podcast, we were being big
Speaker 2: Doctor Who Nerds So that was fun.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: At the Gallafi Caret quiz.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we didn't embarrass ourselves too much.
Speaker 2: No, I'm quite pleased. I want to say we were
Speaker 2: fifteenth out of about forty five ish teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so definitely not too shabby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm considering. I didn't want to go on the stage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the trophy I was quite pleased not to have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got home. My boyfriend Ben said. The first thing
Speaker 1: he said was did you win? I was like no,
Speaker 1: and he was like oh. The next morning he was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't win.
Speaker 2: He'd made all the difference. We should have had him there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the producers as well.
Speaker 1: Oh god, what an amazing show. So funny.
Speaker 2: Do you recommend for anyone that's not seen it? Also,
Speaker 2: I happened to dumble across and I don't know how
Speaker 2: I found this that rec had been in it when
Speaker 2: it was last in the West End. Oh, really playing
Speaker 2: Leopold Bloom.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 2: Which is of our little connection that I read earlier.
Speaker 1: Nice connection. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I told my colleague at work that we went to
Speaker 1: see it, and she'd never heard of it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I went to see the producers and she was like
Speaker 1: who what? Like, yeah, and I said, you know the
Speaker 1: show based on the old film, and she hadn't even
Speaker 1: heard of the film that I told her the plot
Speaker 1: and she was like that sounds awful, fair enough, but no,
Speaker 1: it was excellent.
Speaker 2: It was I really enjoyed. I put her around London,
Speaker 2: went to try and see a show at the Albert
Speaker 2: Hall because it's the Problems at the moment, and hoped
Speaker 2: I could get in there, but might try and get
Speaker 2: back for the last night that the Problems might be fun.
Speaker 2: But one year, yeah, whos to watched it with my grandparents,
Speaker 2: so it might be nice to see it one year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one day, one day.
Speaker 2: But anyway, enough of our gullivating around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back for more inside number nine we are.
Speaker 2: We're back with episode five, Series three, ditt a little dumpling.
Speaker 1: Before we get too much into that, should we do
Speaker 1: our reveal from last week? Yes, yes, yes, hidden episode title.
Speaker 2: Oh it's one of yours. I am very impressed with
Speaker 2: that one. I genuinely did not spot it.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. I obviously cut it out in editing,
Speaker 1: but there was a bit where we were talking about
Speaker 1: the when we were going to slip in and you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, is this teeing up your one and
Speaker 1: I was like, I've already done that.
Speaker 2: You went straight by you, totally straight past me.
Speaker 1: For anyone else who missed it, it was Zanzibar. There's
Speaker 1: also one that I thought was interesting, which I'd not
Speaker 1: heard of before, but it said the shortest ever war
Speaker 1: was fought between the UK and Zanzibar in eighteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: Impressive work, sir.
Speaker 1: If you If you were wondering why I was going
Speaker 1: into so much detail about the quiz game I played
Speaker 1: with my parents, that was why. So watch out for
Speaker 1: another one this week. Yeah, and we are here for
Speaker 1: little little dumplings. So Maestro of the in Southern number
Speaker 1: ninem wiki, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, this is one of the shortest ones that
Speaker 2: we've had so far. Okay, David find someone's lost shoe
Speaker 2: on the street and becomes obsessed with finding its owner,
Speaker 2: which creates tension in his marriage, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, it creates quite a bit of tension. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Now I really want to know what do you think
Speaker 1: of this episode?
Speaker 3: Hmm?
Speaker 2: Now, if you'd asked me that before we started this,
Speaker 2: and before I'd got you to watch them, i'd have
Speaker 2: said this was one of my least favorites. Oh really okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I remember absolutely hating this at the time when
Speaker 2: I first watched it, okay, and then when I got
Speaker 2: you watching them all again and you'd said you'd watched it,
Speaker 2: and I think I remember saying you'd quite liked it.
Speaker 2: I rewatched it and I was like, actually, that's quite good.
Speaker 2: And then I've rewatched it twice today before this and
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it, especially the end. I've enjoyed more every
Speaker 2: time i've watched it. Good. Yeah, it's massively changed for me.
Speaker 2: This was one it was in my bottom five episodes
Speaker 2: of all the whole lot.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm glad it's gone up.
Speaker 2: It massively has, yeah, because I.
Speaker 1: Have to say, like, I think this might be one
Speaker 1: of my faves. Yeah, I love it. I really really
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I didn't like it. I think
Speaker 2: I just thought it was too silly, oh okay, and
Speaker 2: like the first sort of ninety percent of it just
Speaker 2: seems a bit stupid, and I think it just annoyed
Speaker 2: me okay before when it was just like just get
Speaker 2: on with it. Yeah, And then I think when I've
Speaker 2: rewatched it, I've just appreciated a bit more. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe I was watching it at the wrong headspace at
Speaker 2: the time or something.
Speaker 1: But possibly, But yeah, I have to be honest because obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, it's basically what it is is a depiction
Speaker 1: of obsession and a man falling into this breakdown. And personally,
Speaker 1: something I know about myself is that I do have
Speaker 1: quite an obsessive personality, right, It's quite easy for me
Speaker 1: to become obsessed about things, and so perhaps I find
Speaker 1: it relatable and that's one reason why I like it,
Speaker 1: because you you know, you feel so sorry for the man,
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, and you can once you know what's
Speaker 1: going on, you can really understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2: Oh totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yes, I don't know how we want to how
Speaker 1: we want to play this, Like do we want to
Speaker 1: just be open from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those ones where we have
Speaker 2: to be, isn't it. Yeah, I think it doesn't really
Speaker 2: work otherwise.
Speaker 1: No, And obviously anyone listening to this has watched it,
Speaker 1: so you know.
Speaker 2: I'd like to hope so watch it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, quite it's quite nice how it's split into
Speaker 1: the four seasons and using Vivaldi's four Seasons to sort
Speaker 1: of underscore it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I only no Spring, but I'll assume
Speaker 2: that the other three of correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spring is the most well known one, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Yeah, And I think that works really well
Speaker 1: as well, because it's sort of their house is so
Speaker 1: sort of beautiful, and you know, everything's in its place,
Speaker 1: and everything's in its has its order, yes, and then
Speaker 1: this music is very sort of frenetic and like all
Speaker 1: over the place, and it sort of feels like his
Speaker 1: brain is just sort of constantly just really lil about
Speaker 1: this shoe. I think it's really well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can really see that. I'd never considered that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Something I
Speaker 2: didn't notice until the last most recent rewatch i've seen
Speaker 2: of it. How many twos there are and how many
Speaker 2: pairs of things there are. Oh yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: i'd ever really paid enough attention to the set before,
Speaker 2: Like they've really gone to town on pairs of vases
Speaker 2: and pairs of chairs and pairs of lamps and yeah,
Speaker 2: all sorts of the amount of twos that they mentioned
Speaker 2: in the script as well. Yeah, it's timing for two
Speaker 2: minutes two hours ago this happened, and like two days before, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very clever. Did you notice the house number
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Twenty two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty two again, Like I was watching that and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, it's like two little ducks, little ducks, yeah,
Speaker 1: two twins.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also that's quite fun because how many of these
Speaker 1: have we watched where it's you know that it's a
Speaker 1: house number nine, and you just sort of you expect
Speaker 1: it to.
Speaker 2: Be that exactly a nice little fake out.
Speaker 1: And then you see that and you think, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? And then then they show the shoe.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds quite clever. Yeah, I mean it's a
Speaker 2: stretch in that it doesn't happen in a shoe.
Speaker 1: I knew you to say that. I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: know he's going to say, oh, it's happened inside the shoe.
Speaker 1: No it doesn't. Nothing if not predictable, but it's very
Speaker 1: much centers around the shoe. Oh totally, we can allow it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice guest star in Keey Hawes.
Speaker 2: I love Howes. I'll say that again. I love Keeley Hawes.
Speaker 2: She's great. She is I remember first seeing her in
Speaker 2: Line of Duty. Oh yeah, and absolutely loving her, she's
Speaker 2: awesome and everything she does and get another doctor who
Speaker 2: al she is?
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember I used to watch Life on Mars
Speaker 1: with my parents and then Ashes to Ashes when that
Speaker 1: came out. She was in that.
Speaker 2: Oh she had not seen those?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no is the like follow up spin off and
Speaker 1: then she was the lead in that instead of John.
Speaker 2: Sim Right, Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: I do like their relationship at the start. Well, I
Speaker 2: feel like I like quite like their relationship all throughout. Really,
Speaker 2: they seem quite weirdly in the TV series, quite a
Speaker 2: happy relationship mostly like I no, it gets a bit strained, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like they seem quite happy at the start, like
Speaker 2: they're just sort of making jokes of each other.
Speaker 1: And yes, they do work well together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I genuinely buy that they're a couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And the.
Speaker 2: Whole trude and not wanting friends that are whines and
Speaker 2: how quickly she comes back with it chardon ay or.
Speaker 1: Whatever I thought I thought, But it's sauvignon.
Speaker 2: Chardon is the easy, easy one I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Because really does sound like it could be a name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and is just that step too far? But no, I
Speaker 1: love it. It's so funny, especially as someone who works
Speaker 1: in a school in this day and age, because it's
Speaker 1: not that far off the truth.
Speaker 2: Part of me chopping ahead a little bit. The when
Speaker 2: he jokes about looking in Gertrude's bag and being Ana
Speaker 2: Karinicut and it's in Russian, part of me wonders if
Speaker 2: that was even in the script, like I mean it was,
Speaker 2: but that she didn't know what the line was going
Speaker 2: to be, because her reaction to that seems genuine joy Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like she seems to genuinely find that really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also like when he says about, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: she should be reading Janet and what's it have too?
Speaker 1: Mummies or whatever they read? Now? That reminds me of
Speaker 1: the nursery and my school. They have a book in
Speaker 1: there that's something similar along the lines of I think
Speaker 1: it's called Mummy, Mumma and Me right, And the nursery
Speaker 1: teacher she picked it up off the floor when I
Speaker 1: was in there, and she she looked at what it
Speaker 1: was and then she said to me, oh, it's one
Speaker 1: of those woke books. And I was like, um, okay,
Speaker 1: don't really know how to respond to that.
Speaker 2: You know, do you know, dear yeah, imbres having anything
Speaker 2: I can remember as mister Willoughby's wallaby, mister Willoughby's wallaby,
Speaker 2: I hope, no, No, I think it was a genuine
Speaker 2: wallaby that mister Willoughby had. Okay, I'm going to the
Speaker 2: library to pick something out to read, and I'd misheard
Speaker 2: and gone to the wrong end of the bookshelf, so
Speaker 2: just gone for the most difficult book, but there was
Speaker 2: apparently which is mister Willoby's Wallaby, And got very confused
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't know, yeah, three or something.
Speaker 1: It's a very nice house, isn't it lovely?
Speaker 2: How there's a big tinicle.
Speaker 1: A little bit, but yeah, I do watch it and
Speaker 1: sort of get a bit of house envy.
Speaker 2: Like, hmm nice, like the big stairs, yeah, and the
Speaker 2: big doors into the dining roomy sort of area. M
Speaker 2: how many houses they have to look out to get
Speaker 2: because I know there's a lot of the two things
Speaker 2: that we said, but a lot of them are even
Speaker 2: in the room that would be there anyway, Like it's
Speaker 2: double doors and there's two spotlights above the table and lake. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's lots of things that they couldn't have added in,
Speaker 2: like the picture and stuff. I wonder how many houses
Speaker 2: they did have to hunt around. Yeah, and they weren't
Speaker 2: back at the same place that they filmed everywhere else
Speaker 2: at well it wasn't that fancy old manor house.
Speaker 1: No, so yes, so plot, he's found this single shoe
Speaker 1: outside his house on his way back from a run. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he becomes obsessed with it. He initially. I like
Speaker 1: how initially he takes it back out and puts it
Speaker 1: on the wall. But then you can just tell he's
Speaker 1: itching and he just can't let it, let it go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has to go and retrieve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you see that. It came about because they spotted, yes,
Speaker 2: a single shoe. Yeah, was it? I want to say
Speaker 2: it with Steve spotted it, it was, yeah, and brought
Speaker 2: Reese along. Yeah, and then the other one saw another
Speaker 2: on separate single shoe somewhere else. I do have to
Speaker 2: wonder that, Like, you could understand it if you found
Speaker 2: two shoes, but someone's lost a shoe.
Speaker 1: That is very strange.
Speaker 2: How do you do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, apart from like this said
Speaker 1: in the episode about it falling out of your suitcase
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, but yeah, very odd considering you think
Speaker 1: it would be quite a rare thing to happen, But
Speaker 1: you do see single shoes.
Speaker 2: It's surprisingly not that uncommon. Yeah, he's not a shoe
Speaker 2: art thing you particularly carry around much to drop one.
Speaker 2: It's like, unless it's the shoes you're wearing and you
Speaker 2: fall out of them, yes, if you're drunk or something,
Speaker 2: well yeah, but even if you're drunk, I think you'd
Speaker 2: managed to pick your shoes up, yeah and put them
Speaker 2: back on.
Speaker 1: Very strange. Yeah, well one of the life's mysteries.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So he gets this obsession.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you just feel so sorry for him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you know what's going on, Like, he just he's
Speaker 1: so protective of it, has to keep it safe, you know,
Speaker 1: when she reaches out for it and he just withholds
Speaker 1: it and like cradles it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wraps it up in a blanket as well.
Speaker 1: And he starts to neglect things in his real life
Speaker 1: that are important in fa of this obsession. And it's
Speaker 1: like it seems silly on the surface, but you can
Speaker 1: understand it. Yeah, it's like he's constantly itching to get
Speaker 1: back to this thing that is more important to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like this has been six years since it happened, Like,
Speaker 2: what else has he been doing in this six years
Speaker 2: as well? This might not be the first time he's
Speaker 2: done something unusual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point because he's been out off
Speaker 1: work for six.
Speaker 2: Years or was he off for the whole six years? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Actually that was my assumption maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it makes sense. I mean I don't see
Speaker 2: why I would have gone back then come off again,
Speaker 2: like if he'd have probably just never gone back. Yeah
Speaker 2: you're still off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else has he been up to? Or is
Speaker 1: it just that this he's not had the closure on
Speaker 1: this thing and the shoe became something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see. The thing that I don't understand about
Speaker 2: this episode is is he how is he because he
Speaker 2: set it up? Yeah, Like how knowingly is he doing that?
Speaker 2: Because so I was gonna say, because when you've got
Speaker 2: things like Ted later that he has that whole conversation
Speaker 2: with that, assuming he's aware of the fact that he
Speaker 2: put the shoe out, that surely he knows all of
Speaker 2: this isn't true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I personally I don't think he is aware
Speaker 1: that he did it. Like, yeah, so you know the
Speaker 1: scene where Chris comes around and then he comes in
Speaker 1: with the two martinis. Yeah, and then there's the martinis
Speaker 1: already on the table, and he's forgotten that he's done that.
Speaker 1: And I think that's put in there to show us
Speaker 1: that he is having these moments of oh, completely blacking
Speaker 1: out and not realizing that he's done certain things. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's what that's there for.
Speaker 2: True, I kind of took that as that his mind
Speaker 2: was just on the shoe. Well that yeah, that too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense as well.
Speaker 1: But no, I genuinely don't think he's aware that he's
Speaker 1: done that.
Speaker 2: Well he can't be, Yeah, no, exactly.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't make any sense. No, So it's like it's
Speaker 1: like his subconscious or like he did it almost like
Speaker 1: in a sleepwalk, like in a trance or something, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because my other question with that is, you know, as
Speaker 1: we find out at the end they were his shoes, yeah,
Speaker 1: or along where's the other one?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, My question more was wouldn't his wife know
Speaker 2: that they were his shoes?
Speaker 1: She might do? Yeah you think so?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't she have shut this all down right at
Speaker 2: the start? Yeah, or at least said.
Speaker 1: Something, so that's your shoeudio?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you have a pair that looked like that
Speaker 2: or something like that, Like they're not just a random
Speaker 2: pair that he wears, some tattool pair, like they look
Speaker 2: like his smart shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not like you'd have twelve nice black
Speaker 2: shoes that you might have tattool trainers or something.
Speaker 1: Or maybe she's just I mean, she's quite quite busy
Speaker 1: with work and like she's in the family on her own.
Speaker 1: Maybe she just doesn't notice things like what shoes he has.
Speaker 2: I suppose, and he's maybe not worn them in the
Speaker 2: last six years anyway. Yeah, yeah, because he's not maybe
Speaker 2: left the house to do anything nice. Yeah I suppose.
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, I can. I can sort of square
Speaker 2: that enough. I do enjoy the bit where you made
Speaker 2: posters and like her reaction to that. Obviously when you
Speaker 2: watch it for the first time, you don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on. He just seems such a lunatic at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, completely, you've.
Speaker 2: Had posters now, I only had twenty because I think
Speaker 2: and that it's a little drawing as well.
Speaker 1: And he has a perfectly logical reason for that. Or
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the information.
Speaker 2: Out give him information. No, no, yeah, any old person
Speaker 2: could clean the shoe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does just seem bizarre, like why would he
Speaker 1: be so obsessed with this, with sort of this out
Speaker 1: this shoe. I think I'm trying to remember what I
Speaker 1: felt when I first watched it and what I thought
Speaker 1: why I thought he was so interested in the shoe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't honestly remember, but I wonder if I might
Speaker 1: have twigged that it was something along those lines, that
Speaker 1: it might have been a lost child or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think I did it all.
Speaker 1: It does seem like that there's got to be something,
Speaker 1: there's got to be some other meaning to it, that
Speaker 1: he's there is a reason why he's I don't know.
Speaker 1: M Yeah. I won't claim that I I worked it
Speaker 1: out because I can't remember, but maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I thought it was just one of those
Speaker 2: episodes where oh, this is just a weird guy. Mm,
Speaker 2: and it didn't seem to be going anywhere. I think
Speaker 2: is why I wasn't so keen. And then then the
Speaker 2: end kind of comes a bit abruptly, or it did
Speaker 2: for me at the time. Maybe I wasn't in the
Speaker 2: right head space for it to see all of the
Speaker 2: sort of bits leading up, and it didn't feel quite satisfying,
Speaker 2: but definitely has subsequently. Oh yeah, although every time I
Speaker 2: watch it, I forget the ending, well not forget the ending,
Speaker 2: but I'm always like, well, was it that he had
Speaker 2: a brother that died a twin? Oh? Okay, And I
Speaker 2: can't remember exactly. I know the concept, but I can't
Speaker 2: remember who the players are in it, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I did that again today.
Speaker 1: So oh okay, But yeah again about this the way
Speaker 1: that they depict this obsession that he has. Another bit
Speaker 1: I really like is when the phone rings and he
Speaker 1: assumes that it's going to be about the shoe, and
Speaker 1: obviously it turns out to be her mum, And it's
Speaker 1: just like his entire world revolves around this shoe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and therefore he assumed is that everyone else's world revolves
Speaker 1: around it as well, And.
Speaker 2: It couldn't possibly be anyone else on the phone.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, it's very much a one track mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no ways, like, get off the phone. They
Speaker 2: could be calling. They could be calling like it's some
Speaker 2: sort of hotline for crime watch or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the look she gives him when she just
Speaker 1: leaves the room with the phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm being a little bit flippant about
Speaker 2: it because I'm sort of how you would be meant
Speaker 2: to view it when you're first seeing it exactly. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is objectively very silly. Obviously, it hits a lot
Speaker 2: harder when you do know why he's doing all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I love these episodes where it
Speaker 1: is you know, most episodes really where you get such
Speaker 1: a different experience the first time versus a rewatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely definitely one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we move into summer, we.
Speaker 2: Do I like the little sheet that hits the window. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the drawing and how it's done to press against the
Speaker 2: window and then fly away again. Yeah, it must have
Speaker 2: been tricky, key shot to do.
Speaker 1: Nice transition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really nice transition, and this will be
Speaker 2: where we get Steve pop up. It is, yes, for
Speaker 2: his obligatory appearance. His role is Chris. It's it's probably
Speaker 2: one of his smallest roles in the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really add a lot him personally, and so
Speaker 2: he's got to be there to be a catalyst for.
Speaker 1: Things, but he just serves a function really hm hmm.
Speaker 2: This is very much Reese's episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think I think he does a fantastic
Speaker 1: job in it.
Speaker 2: He does. I'd feel like Steve gets more episodes where
Speaker 2: he's the center, if there is just one of them.
Speaker 1: Possibly.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm basically not on absolutely nothing, but
Speaker 2: just a feeling that I've got. I've not done, like
Speaker 2: you know, gone through the episodes and on the mass.
Speaker 1: But no, I don't know if I've thought about it.
Speaker 2: Really, Reese tends to be the more side character. I
Speaker 2: feel that pops up with a girlfriend or a wife
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yes, No, to be a side character to
Speaker 2: push stuff on for Steve and his wife or whatever character.
Speaker 1: Yes, but no, he's very good at doing this new
Speaker 1: slowly losing it hmm. Thing. It really suits him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, there's this thing of that they're
Speaker 1: sort of trying to get David back into work. As
Speaker 1: I said, he brings them the martinis, but he's obviously
Speaker 1: forgotten he's done that, which I think is quite clever
Speaker 1: and again reminded me a bit of Tom and Jerry
Speaker 1: actually with it.
Speaker 2: I got Tom and Jerry lot.
Speaker 1: Where they say about, oh, you know, about three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and she says, no, it was more like three months ago.
Speaker 1: Whether they're losing track of time.
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I got the strongest link to that
Speaker 2: episode of all of them. Yes, it felt like there
Speaker 2: was a lot of callbacks to that in a way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: similar sort of vibe.
Speaker 1: And then you know, this is another person that comes
Speaker 1: in and he expects to be as fascinated by the
Speaker 1: shoe as he is. Yeah, and this is it's just
Speaker 1: as the episode goes on, and it just becomes more
Speaker 1: and more awkward that people aren't and you know, you're
Speaker 1: so sorry for him. It's so sad that he just
Speaker 1: can't see that it's not appropriate and like no one cares.
Speaker 2: Isn't the normal thing to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then of course she reveals that she threw
Speaker 1: it away. Yeah, and he absolutely hits the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, freaks. Hence I probably why he's got it locked
Speaker 2: away after that, I'm guessing. Yeah, it was like it
Speaker 2: wasn't long ago there been man hadn't been well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think this is such a good episode
Speaker 1: because you can understand exactly why he freaks like that
Speaker 1: when it means so much to him that it's essentially
Speaker 1: a stand in for his lost son.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why he's so you.
Speaker 1: Know, he's so protective of it, and you know when
Speaker 1: he lets Chris touch it and he's like, oh careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's no lines wasted in it, like everything
Speaker 2: is so well crafted. Yeah, it is a beautiful episode.
Speaker 1: It really is. And yeah, then it's again more is
Speaker 1: so awkward. But this he tells him to time him
Speaker 1: and see if he can go two minutes without talking
Speaker 1: about it, and he's like, oh no no. And the
Speaker 1: fact that Louise is like no, I want you to
Speaker 1: see this, it's like because you feel so sorry for
Speaker 1: her as well, Like she is she's having to deal
Speaker 1: with a lot dealing with this, you know, and.
Speaker 2: It's her kid too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one, and she must be so alone in
Speaker 1: this because her husband has vacated the building like effectively, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's now just a shoe man. His life is this shoe.
Speaker 1: He's not her husband anymore. He's some shell of a man,
Speaker 1: very sad.
Speaker 2: And a bold thing to have a good twenty seconds
Speaker 2: worth of absolute silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's so good, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it feels like eternity it.
Speaker 1: Does it always will rent it something like that. But
Speaker 1: you know, again we mentioned this all the time, but
Speaker 1: how well they would work on stage, But like that
Speaker 1: kind of pause on stage would be so powerful.
Speaker 2: Oh you would hear a pin drop? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Chris being so again he feels awkward about
Speaker 1: what he's doing, having to do this, and like he's
Speaker 1: everyone's almost sort of pussy footing around David and sort
Speaker 1: of treating him with kid gloves. Yeah, because he's so delicate,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's sort of small talk about the
Speaker 1: holiday and he's like how long? And he thinks he's
Speaker 1: asking how long is he going away for? And he's
Speaker 1: actually just it's like a drug addict. It's like an addiction,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not really even listening.
Speaker 1: No, it's like it really is. It's like he's going
Speaker 1: cold turkey from a drug. He's having this physical reaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just can't understand why anyway else wouldn't it be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when he says, this is very cruel what
Speaker 1: you're doing, and she's like, I just want to help you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she does, she does.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you watch the whole episode and whenever he
Speaker 2: talks about the shoot, if you imagine he's talking about
Speaker 2: a child, like it does make sense, like absolutely, well,
Speaker 2: you would have a national appeal looking for this child
Speaker 2: if they've gone missing or whatever. You would be putting
Speaker 2: calls out on the radio and having press briefings and stuff,
Speaker 2: which is effectively exactly what he sees it as. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes the radio interview quite tricky. Yeah, I mean funny.
Speaker 2: You don't know what it means, but yes, pretty awful.
Speaker 1: Just before the radio interview, there's that interesting little moment
Speaker 1: where Chris takes Louise's hand and they appear to in
Speaker 1: my view at least, they appear to almost have a
Speaker 1: little moment.
Speaker 2: Oh you think and.
Speaker 1: She just says, she says, I can't, as if like
Speaker 1: there's a potential spark there or like he could be
Speaker 1: a shoulder to cry on sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't remember that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yes, So when he goes out, when he goes out
Speaker 1: to find the shoe in the bin, Yeah, they have
Speaker 1: a little moment at the table and Chris takes Louise's
Speaker 1: hand and then she just goes, I can't. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I did wonder.
Speaker 2: If they might be having an affair of some description.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, good on her for not succumbing
Speaker 1: to that, But it's interesting that it was there as
Speaker 1: a possibility.
Speaker 2: M There's so many little layers that they never even
Speaker 2: explore upon, but you can read into if you want.
Speaker 2: There might be all sorts going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, then the radio interview with Danny.
Speaker 2: Baker, Danny Baker or people.
Speaker 1: I thought when I first watched it, I thought it
Speaker 1: was Jonathan Ross or I thought it was somebody trying
Speaker 1: to do an impression of Jonathan Ross, Okay, but then
Speaker 1: I realized it's just Danny Baker being himself. But oh
Speaker 1: my god. It's typical of that sort of thing, though,
Speaker 1: isn't it. That's sort of not really taking them seriously
Speaker 1: and making everything into a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole sort of Jerry Springer like Jeremy
Speaker 2: Kyle type thing of just using people for entertainment and
Speaker 2: like belittling their feelings.
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing. Like we know, we know David
Speaker 1: is deeply serious about this and what it means to him,
Speaker 1: but for this radio show, it's just, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: a bit weird, isn't it. This man is doing a
Speaker 1: big appeal to find this missing shoe person. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it is a bit of a joke for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can understand it when you don't know anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just an letter that's obsessed with the shoe.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then there's something here that I want to
Speaker 1: put a pin in and come back to at the end.
Speaker 1: But it's the moment when he switches off the radio
Speaker 1: right and then he hears his daughter Sally called daddy
Speaker 1: and he goes.
Speaker 2: To her right.
Speaker 1: So I would just want to highlight that and say
Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to that later because I
Speaker 1: think that's quite important. Okay, but yeah, the next big
Speaker 1: thing we get is ted.
Speaker 2: Ted Matthew Bayton, love Matthew Bane.
Speaker 1: The Lovely Matthew Bainton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wonderful. So yeah, I can't remember what I
Speaker 2: thought when I first saw this because she's very awkward, Yes,
Speaker 2: which makes sense, but I'm like, why would you've come
Speaker 2: all the way from Norfolk to claim a shoe?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, unless Yeah, it is strange. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: make sense, No, but it does make sense when you
Speaker 1: find out later why he's there.
Speaker 2: It does. Although how has she arranged this? So she's
Speaker 2: just gone through all random people that she tangentially knows
Speaker 2: will you come over to my house and pretend to
Speaker 2: claim a shoe.
Speaker 1: It could be that I did see online. Other people
Speaker 1: have suggested that perhaps Ted is the one she's getting
Speaker 1: solace from.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I wondered. Yeah, in the background. Who knows,
Speaker 2: because that's what he implies, doesn't he? David later, Oh, yes,
Speaker 2: that are they having an affair or something?
Speaker 1: Personally, I don't buy that. I don't get that from it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I do either.
Speaker 1: I think he was just a friend. He was somebody
Speaker 1: that she knew well, but that David wouldn't know because
Speaker 1: it was from her past. So she used she used
Speaker 1: that to her advantage. Yeah, but yes, I mean it's
Speaker 1: such a mundane explanation for where this shoe came from
Speaker 1: that he seems disappointed, doesn't he?
Speaker 2: He wanted some big event.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost like he's become so obsessed with this
Speaker 1: whole process of finding the owner that actually finding the
Speaker 1: owner is just a bit of a damp squib, like, oh,
Speaker 1: bit of an anti climax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a finale that we've built up in our
Speaker 2: minds to be better than it would be. Yeah, have
Speaker 2: we heard that before?
Speaker 1: And he oh god, he just treats it like a
Speaker 1: police matter, doesn't he.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so again I'm laughing and I shouldn't be,
Speaker 2: but it's it is so funny. And the way his
Speaker 2: eyes pop above the.
Speaker 1: Paper, Yeah, I think you can. You can laugh. It
Speaker 1: is intended to be funny, Yeah, because that's the whole
Speaker 1: point of it, isn't it. It's funny until you.
Speaker 2: Know the twist, until it isn't.
Speaker 1: But yes, you know when he says about you know,
Speaker 1: which is the correct tread A B, C or D.
Speaker 1: But it's not just that. It's also the fact that
Speaker 1: the letters are in a jumbled order than on the
Speaker 1: right order, which to me is like another layer of
Speaker 1: all deception, like you know, like a magician. And Ted
Speaker 1: is just looking so sad. He's just looking so concerned
Speaker 1: for his friend's husband. Yeah, as you find out later.
Speaker 2: And also like he's not seen this, like he'll presumably
Speaker 2: have gone she'll have told him what the deal is
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't have bought that it was anywhere nearest
Speaker 2: of here is this exactly?
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh god, it's all true what she said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably worse, Yes, I fact that he's probably
Speaker 2: had these cards dashed away in a cupboard for weeks,
Speaker 2: waiting for him to get to show them to someone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably had this plan of what the interview would.
Speaker 1: Be like because he wasn't expecting him to turn up.
Speaker 1: He just turned up, didn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, and he fully expected loads of people
Speaker 2: would turn up. He's expecting the cone to be ringing
Speaker 2: off the hook. Yeah, people trying to steal his shoe,
Speaker 2: so he would be trying to come up with ways
Speaker 2: of weeding out the impostors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bless him. And then yeah, he just can't bear
Speaker 1: to part with it. Yeah, but at least said the
Speaker 1: shoes are going to be together, which is what he
Speaker 1: really wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what matters.
Speaker 1: And this is where he starts to use the pronoun
Speaker 1: hymn for the shoe.
Speaker 2: Oh he does, I'd not noticed that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, I won't make you try him on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a bit, a bit weird. Yeah, that's the shift.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that. Like I said, not a word wasted.
Speaker 1: Is important, very very good. So then we go to Autumn.
Speaker 2: Mammy the Pumpkin.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's an interesting little moment there where Sally
Speaker 1: brings up funerals. Hmmm, and there's a moment where Louise
Speaker 1: is just a bit awkward, like yes, yes, and obviously
Speaker 1: given what we know later, So the twin died six
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, but this girl is older than six,
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, eight maybe, Yeah, so she
Speaker 1: must have been you know, she must have been old
Speaker 1: enough to be aware of what was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not old enough to really have had much
Speaker 2: of an attachment to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she presumably remember. What she means is she
Speaker 1: remembers the funeral and that's why she's bringing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone being sad in it being a big event,
Speaker 2: but she won't remember what it was. Yeah, potentially. Can
Speaker 2: I imagine if the dad's so still miserable six years on,
Speaker 2: which obviously makes sense that they probably haven't had many
Speaker 2: fun events that she would have been to between then
Speaker 2: and now, no to remember mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's remarkable how well adjusted the girl is given everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's quite a shift this scene,
Speaker 1: isn't it. David seems to be doing really well back
Speaker 1: in work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to see and like he's really stuck
Speaker 2: in and he's talking about trips abroad and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably I don't want to say over it, but
Speaker 2: like he's moved on and off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going in the right direction at least at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: And then you know his his greatest test there in
Speaker 1: that scene is her recital of the nursery rhyme, which
Speaker 1: is where we get the title of the episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: were you familiar with this rhyme?
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I was.
Speaker 2: I was watching this and my housemate came in just
Speaker 2: probably about as this is it autumn started, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he was sat watching it. Then she said a little
Speaker 2: thing and he goes, what the fuck was that? What
Speaker 2: the hell is she about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: No, Well, most nursery rhymes are weird, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Like if you've gone into this assembly and that's all
Speaker 2: that happened, I'd be very disappointed.
Speaker 1: Well, I doubt that's all that happens.
Speaker 2: They all have some nonsense three lines to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I think he deals with that quite well.
Speaker 1: Like Louise is clearly like on eggshells, like waiting to
Speaker 1: see if he's going to flip because of the one
Speaker 1: shoe off from one shoe on. Yeah, he seems to
Speaker 1: deal with it quite well until the daughter hugs him,
Speaker 1: and then you see his face as a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's wabbling a little bit, I think, hmm. But I
Speaker 1: do think overall he seems to be doing pretty well
Speaker 1: in this Yeah, in this moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, definitely he's adjusting. Not I just did, but
Speaker 2: doesn't take much to shake him still.
Speaker 1: No, And I do think clearly he has a lot
Speaker 1: of love for this remaining daughter.
Speaker 2: That they have. Yeah, and like the way he walks
Speaker 2: in and says, my girls or whatever, did you seem
Speaker 2: really sweet family?
Speaker 1: Yes, because it's like the thing is like, yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: you're not going to get over something so tragic happening,
Speaker 1: but you can't let it be more important than the
Speaker 1: people you do have, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. It would be so tough, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you can't just let it swallow you. Yeah, because you've
Speaker 2: got to be there for the other one exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's hard, it's very hard, but
Speaker 1: like being grateful for the child he does have and
Speaker 1: the wife he has and stuff. Yeah, So quite a
Speaker 1: short scene there, and let me skip onto Winter.
Speaker 2: Yes, where it all goes downhill.
Speaker 1: It all goes downhill, the shoe is back on the grass.
Speaker 2: It is, and it all goes to hell. Yes, do
Speaker 2: we reckon? Going back to what we said earlier about
Speaker 2: whether he dissociates and makes stuff up that he forgets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did he plan? Is this another thing that he planned?
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? He's been thinking about this Ted person
Speaker 2: all this time and are they real and has been
Speaker 2: going through the photo albums and trying to hunt it down.
Speaker 2: Or do we take it at face value that he
Speaker 2: was just making a photo album?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I personally took it at face value.
Speaker 2: I did until literally just now I wondered whether, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: is he concocting more stuff?
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible, It is possible. But I think
Speaker 1: it's nice that, you know, as we said in the
Speaker 1: last scene, he was doing so well if he's continuing
Speaker 1: on that trajectory hopefully, and then it's just accidentally stumbling
Speaker 1: across this photo that changes everything. Yeah, it's quite nice as.
Speaker 2: It would be tough if that is genuine. What happened,
Speaker 2: like that sense of betrayal, Yeah, to come out of
Speaker 2: nowhere when he wasn't even expecting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't really blame Louise for doing it, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. She must have been at the end
Speaker 1: of her tether and like out of options.
Speaker 2: Because assuming he is dead set on he's got to
Speaker 2: find who owns this shoe, and it's never going to end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's got to do something to stop it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it soon becomes clear it's really not
Speaker 1: about the shoe. It's never been about the shoe. Nope, Andy,
Speaker 1: they finally explicitly acknowledged that Sally's not just her brother,
Speaker 1: but her twin mm hmm. Joseph died six years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this has all been his way of trying to
Speaker 1: reunite them, that they're a pair and they should be together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad. You can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing performance, Fraies, It's haunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is an amazing actor and.
Speaker 2: Really shows it off here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, interesting question at this point, what do you take
Speaker 2: has actually happened?
Speaker 1: You mean, when we see the blood on his hands
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I only just found something out about that
Speaker 2: just now, Oh okay, just before this call. Okay, so
Speaker 2: I do know the answer, right, But what do you Reckon.
Speaker 1: Well, the way I see it, it's left deliberately ambiguous.
Speaker 1: So the way I see it, you realize the blood
Speaker 1: on his hands, it's not his blood. And he's literally
Speaker 1: just said they should be together after they talked about
Speaker 1: some being dead. And the way I see it, there's
Speaker 1: a split second. For me, there's a split second where
Speaker 1: you think, oh my god, he hasn't killed his daughter,
Speaker 1: has he? And then he brings up Ted and says
Speaker 1: that he went to see him to get the shoe
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, So my understanding at the end is
Speaker 1: that he went and he probably killed Ted. But I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I don't believe he killed his daughter, right, however.
Speaker 2: I am, But you believe it's meant to be open ended.
Speaker 1: I do believe it's meant to be open ended.
Speaker 2: Yes, interesting, Okay, So I was looking up on this
Speaker 2: to see what the consensus was, and I stumbled across
Speaker 2: a podcast with Adam Buxton from about twenty seventeen with
Speaker 2: recent Stevon discussing their careers right, And they were talking
Speaker 2: about dark episodes and people making up things, and they
Speaker 2: said that they'd read that this theory that he'd actually
Speaker 2: killed his daughter, and they were like, we never even
Speaker 2: thought of that. Oh wow, So it wasn't intended to
Speaker 2: be open ended. They'd never even considered that was an ending.
Speaker 3: And Rees had a line saying, you know, one about
Speaker 3: putting wanting to put the shoes and saying that they
Speaker 3: should be together, and people interpreted that as being they
Speaker 3: should be together, I e. I'm going to go and
Speaker 3: kill the other one, And people thought that the ending
Speaker 3: that we'd come up with is that he had gone
Speaker 3: and killed.
Speaker 1: The other one and pared them by having and.
Speaker 2: That was never in our minds.
Speaker 1: We were like, who are these sick people? That's interesting
Speaker 1: because it really does seem you know, even if it's
Speaker 1: just for that split second, Yeah, it does seem very intentional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: So what was it before you've listened to however? What
Speaker 1: did you think the end was.
Speaker 2: I thought it was open ended. I did think it
Speaker 2: would probably be ted, but I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'd have liked it to have been more heavily
Speaker 2: hinted that it might have that it could have been
Speaker 2: either yeah, like for for Louise to have gone, oh
Speaker 2: god and ran out or something. Yeah, as in she's
Speaker 2: running upstairs to check on Sally.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I quite like it being open ended.
Speaker 1: I know, as you say, it wasn't intentionally open ended,
Speaker 1: but nevertheless it seems open ended. Like for everyone who
Speaker 1: watches it.
Speaker 2: You can understand him, I mean you can't, but you
Speaker 2: can understand him having potentially murdered Ted. Like, not only
Speaker 2: is he lied to him, he at this point potentially
Speaker 2: thinks he's having an affair with his wife, and like
Speaker 2: there's several layers of obviously wrong, but he could jump
Speaker 2: to conclusions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if, as we know, he blacks out
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't remember what he's done. Yeah, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: But the thing with Sally is like, so even when
Speaker 1: I was rewatching it for this, Ben came down and
Speaker 1: just caught the last couple of minutes of it, and
Speaker 1: he obviously didn't know what had been going on in
Speaker 1: the whole episode, but he picked up obviously that there
Speaker 1: were these twins and one of them had died. And
Speaker 1: then he even he thought, in that split second he
Speaker 1: thought that he had killed his daughter.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I mean inside number nine in general, that is
Speaker 2: that would make sense, like that does seem. Yes, the
Speaker 2: kind of thing that he might have done.
Speaker 1: But so if we come back to now what I
Speaker 1: put a pin in earlier. The reason they want to
Speaker 1: to bring that up is because I think, actually, despite
Speaker 1: everything and despite his obsession with the shoe, I think
Speaker 1: his existing daughter is the most important thing in his life,
Speaker 1: right and that even when he's you know, he's been
Speaker 1: listening to his radio interview and it's all about that.
Speaker 1: As soon as he hears daddy, as soon as he
Speaker 1: hears her calling, he gets up and he goes to.
Speaker 2: Her right so she can stack him out of it.
Speaker 1: That was my way of saying, like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that he would kill her right.
Speaker 2: Now, I can see that he does stap at her
Speaker 2: a bit with the shoe when she's getting it as
Speaker 2: a car. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that that is that is
Speaker 1: one bit.
Speaker 2: That's early on in the obsession, Like, yes, he's probably
Speaker 2: a bit over hyper focus at that point, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's super interesting that they never even considered it,
Speaker 1: because it's how can you write How can you write
Speaker 1: that line going from you know he's dead and they
Speaker 1: should be together to then oh my god, you've got
Speaker 1: blood on your hands and not see that connection that
Speaker 1: just seems so like obvious.
Speaker 2: It really does.
Speaker 1: It's funny, isn't it. And we assume, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we hear the sirens.
Speaker 2: So yeah, something's happened.
Speaker 1: Something's coming for him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope he's just wrestled the shoe off him
Speaker 2: and that was all.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably unlikely. I think.
Speaker 1: Death. Death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a staple of this series, it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then the final revelations where we have this really
Speaker 1: slow zoom in on.
Speaker 2: That photo's sweet.
Speaker 1: Turns out they were his shoes all along. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the CCTV shows as it was him who put the
Speaker 1: shoe there.
Speaker 2: I do like that. That's in the credits as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: quite a nice little that'll touch.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it. I wonder do you think it
Speaker 1: improves the episode having that revelation there or do you
Speaker 1: think you're better without it?
Speaker 2: No? I like it. I like it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: mind it sometimes being a bit left open ended, but
Speaker 2: I don't like where something that's quite core to the
Speaker 2: plot is omitted. Okay, Like I like that that sort
Speaker 2: of ties up ties up the.
Speaker 1: Question of where the shoe came from.
Speaker 2: Where the shoe came from, because part.
Speaker 1: Of me wonders if actually it would have been better
Speaker 1: if it was just literally a random thing and he
Speaker 1: never found out. I mean, I know he doesn't find out,
Speaker 1: but we never found out because it is one of
Speaker 1: those things in life you don't find these things out
Speaker 1: or true.
Speaker 2: And I mean it could have been that that just
Speaker 2: set him off, Like, does it make more sense that
Speaker 2: he didn't know about him it wasn't planned as much
Speaker 2: as his subconscious planned it. If it was just a
Speaker 2: random shoe, yeah, and that fully sent him off down
Speaker 2: this spiral.
Speaker 1: Yes, but no. Also, on the other hand, it does,
Speaker 1: as you say, like he's clearly well. We know he's
Speaker 1: clearly not well, and the fact that at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the episode when we see him, he does seem
Speaker 1: fairly normal and fairly well adjusted, going for.
Speaker 2: A run, for God's sake, Yeah, I mean who goes
Speaker 2: for a run?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if he's if his subconscious has planted this
Speaker 1: shoe there, as we then see at the end, he's
Speaker 1: obviously not okay, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, not all poor guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope you got some help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, Eli, just just sorry for
Speaker 1: Louise as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now she's not only lost her son, but her
Speaker 2: husband as well. Like, yeah, she's probably presumably in prison
Speaker 2: for at least ABH like GBH murder, who knows?
Speaker 1: And we hope she still has Sally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, god imagine that. Yeah, if you'd murdered
Speaker 2: both of them exactly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, good episode.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, I had to give it more of a chance.
Speaker 2: I don't know as I would have ever given it
Speaker 2: another chance if you've not been watching them.
Speaker 1: Oh, well yeah, I'm glad you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shall we rate it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Out of nine?
Speaker 2: You go first?
Speaker 1: Okay, As I said, I do think this might be
Speaker 1: one of my favorite.
Speaker 2: It's really as strong as that.
Speaker 1: I think it's personal, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah, no I'm not. Yeah, you judge it, however,
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 1: I think personally to me, just because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I find it's so captivating. I think Reese's performance is amazing,
Speaker 1: and I find the whole obsession thing to be sadly
Speaker 1: quite relatable. Not that I am quite a bad extreme
Speaker 1: but yeah, so yeah, I think for me, in terms
Speaker 1: of my enjoyment level, I'm going to say in eight
Speaker 1: out of nine for this episode.
Speaker 2: Nice, Nice, what do I go. It's a tough one,
Speaker 2: and that we've said before about judging it on a
Speaker 2: first watch, because that's what in the intent for most people,
Speaker 2: and whereas I feel like this one actually will be
Speaker 2: scored less on that, like it scores better on a rewatch.
Speaker 2: Six feels too low, but a seven feels really high. No,
Speaker 2: I'll go a seven. Okay, it is good. It is
Speaker 2: really good and it is very well made.
Speaker 1: What do you think you'd have rated it before rewatching it?
Speaker 2: Like before, just on the first watch, and how I
Speaker 2: remember it? Yeah, oh best of four? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, it's grown on me a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Good, it's probably as well. Comes down to my appreciation
Speaker 2: more for acting now than I would have done. What
Speaker 2: was this ten years ago? Okay, nearly ten years ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting, but yeah, I kind of was looking forward
Speaker 1: to get into this one for a long time because
Speaker 1: I did remember really liking it, and yeah, didn't disappoint.
Speaker 2: Good. Well, that's nearly series three done.
Speaker 1: Nearly. There's one important question you haven't asked me that
Speaker 1: I'm dying too.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the hair well? And if you didn't,
Speaker 2: I think you need to go to Specsavis.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, yeah, well, actually I did
Speaker 1: go to Specsavers. Yes, that's why you spied it, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: I haven't even picked up my new glasses yet, but
Speaker 1: I think I would have had to stop doing the
Speaker 1: podcast if I hadn't spotted it. Yeah, it was right
Speaker 1: in your face, wasn't It might.
Speaker 2: Be the third most easy to spot hair in the
Speaker 2: whole series.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when he's dusting the pictures, Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: there on the sideboard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about three minutes in. Yeah. I wonder if I
Speaker 2: looked when he did it, and because it was on
Speaker 2: the far left of the dresser, and wonder if he
Speaker 2: might have made two of them in this one, but
Speaker 2: one on the other end to keep their two thing going.
Speaker 2: But no, but where that might have been a bit
Speaker 2: obvious for the possibly did you spot our hair? Dear listeners?
Speaker 2: We will let you know where it was next week,
Speaker 2: will we were? Indeed, when we're back for the finale
Speaker 2: private view.
Speaker 1: Indeed, which I don't remember very well at all. No,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I particularly liked it that much,
Speaker 1: but we will see, we will see what I think
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 2: I remember not liking Peter Kay, but otherwise I see
Speaker 2: Peter Kay is in it? Yeah is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My god, I really don't remember it.
Speaker 2: Not for long, and it doesn't fare well.
Speaker 1: But oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, well
Speaker 1: yeah that'll be fun but yeah, until then, I think
Speaker 1: it's time to close the door on number nine.
Speaker 2: But you never really leave, do you.
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