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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm and I'm Stephen, and this is a podcast all

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<v Speaker 2>about the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy

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<v Speaker 2>anthology series Inside number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 1>a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea and

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<v Speaker 2>join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you. I'm good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm okay taking along.

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<v Speaker 2>How's your week going back at school?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a bit of a shock to the system

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<v Speaker 1>going back to work after the luxury of six weeks off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it must be tricky. It's bad enough having a

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<v Speaker 2>week or two off. Yeah, my job alone six.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks yeah, and then it's all changed as well, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, new class, new teacher, everything. But yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Been a fun weekend down London. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>for listeners of your other podcast, we were being big

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Who Nerds So that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>At the Gallafi Caret quiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we didn't embarrass ourselves too much.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm quite pleased. I want to say we were

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<v Speaker 2>fifteenth out of about forty five ish teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so definitely not too shabby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm considering. I didn't want to go on the stage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the trophy I was quite pleased not to have. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I got home. My boyfriend Ben said. The first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he said was did you win? I was like no,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like oh. The next morning he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we didn't win.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd made all the difference. We should have had him there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the producers as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, what an amazing show. So funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you recommend for anyone that's not seen it? Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I happened to dumble across and I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>I found this that rec had been in it when

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<v Speaker 2>it was last in the West End. Oh, really playing

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<v Speaker 2>Leopold Bloom.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is of our little connection that I read earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice connection. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my colleague at work that we went to

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<v Speaker 1>see it, and she'd never heard of it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to see the producers and she was like

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<v Speaker 1>who what? Like, yeah, and I said, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>show based on the old film, and she hadn't even

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the film that I told her the plot

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like that sounds awful, fair enough, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>It was I really enjoyed. I put her around London,

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<v Speaker 2>went to try and see a show at the Albert

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<v Speaker 2>Hall because it's the Problems at the moment, and hoped

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<v Speaker 2>I could get in there, but might try and get

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<v Speaker 2>back for the last night that the Problems might be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But one year, yeah, whos to watched it with my grandparents,

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<v Speaker 2>so it might be nice to see it one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one day, one day.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, enough of our gullivating around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're back for more inside number nine we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back with episode five, Series three, ditt a little dumpling.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get too much into that, should we do

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<v Speaker 1>our reveal from last week? Yes, yes, yes, hidden episode title.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's one of yours. I am very impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>that one. I genuinely did not spot it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so funny. I obviously cut it out in editing,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was a bit where we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the when we were going to slip in and you

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<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, is this teeing up your one and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I've already done that.

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<v Speaker 2>You went straight by you, totally straight past me.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone else who missed it, it was Zanzibar. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also one that I thought was interesting, which I'd not

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<v Speaker 1>heard of before, but it said the shortest ever war

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<v Speaker 1>was fought between the UK and Zanzibar in eighteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Impressive work, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>If you If you were wondering why I was going

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<v Speaker 1>into so much detail about the quiz game I played

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<v Speaker 1>with my parents, that was why. So watch out for

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<v Speaker 1>another one this week. Yeah, and we are here for

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<v Speaker 1>little little dumplings. So Maestro of the in Southern number

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<v Speaker 1>ninem wiki, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, this is one of the shortest ones that

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<v Speaker 2>we've had so far. Okay, David find someone's lost shoe

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<v Speaker 2>on the street and becomes obsessed with finding its owner,

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<v Speaker 2>which creates tension in his marriage, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, it creates quite a bit of tension. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I really want to know what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode?

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you'd asked me that before we started this,

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<v Speaker 2>and before I'd got you to watch them, i'd have

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<v Speaker 2>said this was one of my least favorites. Oh really okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember absolutely hating this at the time when

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<v Speaker 2>I first watched it, okay, and then when I got

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<v Speaker 2>you watching them all again and you'd said you'd watched it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I remember saying you'd quite liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I rewatched it and I was like, actually, that's quite good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I've rewatched it twice today before this and

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed it, especially the end. I've enjoyed more every

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<v Speaker 2>time i've watched it. Good. Yeah, it's massively changed for me.

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<v Speaker 2>This was one it was in my bottom five episodes

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<v Speaker 2>of all the whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm I'm glad it's gone up.

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<v Speaker 2>It massively has, yeah, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to say, like, I think this might be one

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<v Speaker 1>of my faves. Yeah, I love it. I really really

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<v Speaker 1>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I didn't like it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was too silly, oh okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>like the first sort of ninety percent of it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems a bit stupid, and I think it just annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>me okay before when it was just like just get

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<v Speaker 2>on with it. Yeah, And then I think when I've

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<v Speaker 2>rewatched it, I've just appreciated a bit more. And yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I was watching it at the wrong headspace at

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<v Speaker 2>the time or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But possibly, But yeah, I have to be honest because obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's basically what it is is a depiction

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<v Speaker 1>of obsession and a man falling into this breakdown. And personally,

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<v Speaker 1>something I know about myself is that I do have

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<v Speaker 1>quite an obsessive personality, right, It's quite easy for me

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<v Speaker 1>to become obsessed about things, and so perhaps I find

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<v Speaker 1>it relatable and that's one reason why I like it,

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<v Speaker 1>because you you know, you feel so sorry for the man,

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Yeah, and you can once you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on, you can really understand where he's coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh totally. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, I don't know how we want to how

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<v Speaker 1>we want to play this, Like do we want to

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<v Speaker 1>just be open from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of those ones where we have

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<v Speaker 2>to be, isn't it. Yeah, I think it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>work otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And obviously anyone listening to this has watched it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to hope so watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, quite it's quite nice how it's split into

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<v Speaker 1>the four seasons and using Vivaldi's four Seasons to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of underscore it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I only no Spring, but I'll assume

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<v Speaker 2>that the other three of correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Spring is the most well known one, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Yeah, And I think that works really well

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<v Speaker 1>and everything's in its has its order, yes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this music is very sort of frenetic and like all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, and it sort of feels like his

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<v Speaker 1>brain is just sort of constantly just really lil about

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<v Speaker 1>this shoe. I think it's really well done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can really see that. I'd never considered that,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Something I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't notice until the last most recent rewatch i've seen

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<v Speaker 2>of it. How many twos there are and how many

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<v Speaker 2>pairs of things there are. Oh yeah, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>i'd ever really paid enough attention to the set before,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they've really gone to town on pairs of vases

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of the amount of twos that they mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in the script as well. Yeah, it's timing for two

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<v Speaker 2>minutes two hours ago this happened, and like two days before, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very clever. Did you notice the house number

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty two again, Like I was watching that and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, it's like two little ducks, little ducks, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>two twins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also that's quite fun because how many of these

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<v Speaker 1>have we watched where it's you know that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>house number nine, and you just sort of you expect

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<v Speaker 2>Be that exactly a nice little fake out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you see that and you think, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here? And then then they show the shoe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that sounds quite clever. Yeah, I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>stretch in that it doesn't happen in a shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you to say that. I was thinking, I

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<v Speaker 1>know he's going to say, oh, it's happened inside the shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>No it doesn't. Nothing if not predictable, but it's very

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<v Speaker 1>much centers around the shoe. Oh totally, we can allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice guest star in Keey Hawes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Howes. I'll say that again. I love Keeley Hawes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's great. She is I remember first seeing her in

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<v Speaker 2>Line of Duty. Oh yeah, and absolutely loving her, she's

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<v Speaker 2>awesome and everything she does and get another doctor who

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<v Speaker 2>al she is?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I remember I used to watch Life on Mars

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<v Speaker 1>with my parents and then Ashes to Ashes when that

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<v Speaker 1>came out. She was in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she had not seen those?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no is the like follow up spin off and

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<v Speaker 1>then she was the lead in that instead of John.

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<v Speaker 2>Sim Right, Oh I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like their relationship at the start. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I like quite like their relationship all throughout. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>they seem quite weirdly in the TV series, quite a

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<v Speaker 2>happy relationship mostly like I no, it gets a bit strained, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but like they seem quite happy at the start, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're just sort of making jokes of each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, they do work well together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I genuinely buy that they're a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, And the.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole trude and not wanting friends that are whines and

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<v Speaker 2>how quickly she comes back with it chardon ay or.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever I thought I thought, But it's sauvignon.

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<v Speaker 2>Chardon is the easy, easy one I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>Because really does sound like it could be a name. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and is just that step too far? But no, I

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<v Speaker 2>Part of me chopping ahead a little bit. The when

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<v Speaker 2>he jokes about looking in Gertrude's bag and being Ana

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<v Speaker 2>Karinicut and it's in Russian, part of me wonders if

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<v Speaker 2>that was even in the script, like I mean it was,

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<v Speaker 2>but that she didn't know what the line was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be, because her reaction to that seems genuine joy Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she seems to genuinely find that really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also like when he says about, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she should be reading Janet and what's it have too?

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<v Speaker 1>Mummies or whatever they read? Now? That reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>there that's something similar along the lines of I think

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<v Speaker 1>teacher she picked it up off the floor when I

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<v Speaker 1>of those woke books. And I was like, um, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I can remember as mister Willoughby's wallaby, mister Willoughby's wallaby,

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<v Speaker 2>wallaby that mister Willoughby had. Okay, I'm going to the

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<v Speaker 2>library to pick something out to read, and I'd misheard

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<v Speaker 2>and gone to the wrong end of the bookshelf, so

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<v Speaker 2>just gone for the most difficult book, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>apparently which is mister Willoby's Wallaby, And got very confused

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like, I don't know, yeah, three or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very nice house, isn't it lovely?

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<v Speaker 2>How there's a big tinicle.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit, but yeah, I do watch it and

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<v Speaker 2>Like, hmm nice, like the big stairs, yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>big doors into the dining roomy sort of area. M

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<v Speaker 2>how many houses they have to look out to get

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<v Speaker 2>because I know there's a lot of the two things

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<v Speaker 2>that we said, but a lot of them are even

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<v Speaker 2>in the room that would be there anyway, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>double doors and there's two spotlights above the table and lake. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of things that they couldn't have added in,

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<v Speaker 2>like the picture and stuff. I wonder how many houses

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<v Speaker 2>they did have to hunt around. Yeah, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>back at the same place that they filmed everywhere else

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<v Speaker 2>at well it wasn't that fancy old manor house.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so yes, so plot, he's found this single shoe

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<v Speaker 1>outside his house on his way back from a run. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he becomes obsessed with it. He initially. I like

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<v Speaker 1>how initially he takes it back out and puts it

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall. But then you can just tell he's

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<v Speaker 1>itching and he just can't let it, let it go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he has to go and retrieve it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Did you see that. It came about because they spotted, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a single shoe. Yeah, was it? I want to say

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<v Speaker 2>it with Steve spotted it, it was, yeah, and brought

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<v Speaker 2>Reese along. Yeah, and then the other one saw another

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<v Speaker 2>on separate single shoe somewhere else. I do have to

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<v Speaker 2>wonder that, Like, you could understand it if you found

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<v Speaker 2>two shoes, but someone's lost a shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, apart from like this said

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode about it falling out of your suitcase

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah, but yeah, very odd considering you think

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<v Speaker 1>it would be quite a rare thing to happen, But

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<v Speaker 1>you do see single shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's surprisingly not that uncommon. Yeah, he's not a shoe

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<v Speaker 2>art thing you particularly carry around much to drop one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, unless it's the shoes you're wearing and you

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<v Speaker 2>fall out of them, yes, if you're drunk or something,

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<v Speaker 2>well yeah, but even if you're drunk, I think you'd

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<v Speaker 2>managed to pick your shoes up, yeah and put them

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<v Speaker 2>back on.

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<v Speaker 1>Very strange. Yeah, well one of the life's mysteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So he gets this obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, you just feel so sorry for him, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you know what's going on, Like, he just he's

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<v Speaker 1>so protective of it, has to keep it safe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when she reaches out for it and he just withholds

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<v Speaker 1>it and like cradles it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he wraps it up in a blanket as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And he starts to neglect things in his real life

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<v Speaker 1>that are important in fa of this obsession. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it seems silly on the surface, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>understand it. Yeah, it's like he's constantly itching to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to this thing that is more important to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like this has been six years since it happened, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what else has he been doing in this six years

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<v Speaker 2>as well? This might not be the first time he's

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<v Speaker 2>done something unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point because he's been out off

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<v Speaker 1>work for six.

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<v Speaker 2>Years or was he off for the whole six years? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Actually that was my assumption maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it makes sense. I mean I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>why I would have gone back then come off again,

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<v Speaker 2>like if he'd have probably just never gone back. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>you're still off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what else has he been up to? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just that this he's not had the closure on

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and the shoe became something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see. The thing that I don't understand about

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is is he how is he because he

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<v Speaker 2>set it up? Yeah, Like how knowingly is he doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because so I was gonna say, because when you've got

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<v Speaker 2>things like Ted later that he has that whole conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with that, assuming he's aware of the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>put the shoe out, that surely he knows all of

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I personally I don't think he is aware

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<v Speaker 1>that he did it. Like, yeah, so you know the

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<v Speaker 1>scene where Chris comes around and then he comes in

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<v Speaker 1>with the two martinis. Yeah, and then there's the martinis

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<v Speaker 1>already on the table, and he's forgotten that he's done that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's put in there to show us

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<v Speaker 1>that he is having these moments of oh, completely blacking

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<v Speaker 1>out and not realizing that he's done certain things. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's that's what that's there for.

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<v Speaker 2>True, I kind of took that as that his mind

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<v Speaker 2>was just on the shoe. Well that yeah, that too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I genuinely don't think he's aware that he's

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<v Speaker 1>done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he can't be, Yeah, no, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't make any sense. No, So it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like his subconscious or like he did it almost like

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<v Speaker 1>in a sleepwalk, like in a trance or something, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because my other question with that is, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>we find out at the end they were his shoes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or along where's the other one?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, My question more was wouldn't his wife know

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<v Speaker 2>that they were his shoes?

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<v Speaker 1>She might do? Yeah you think so?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't she have shut this all down right at

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<v Speaker 2>the start? Yeah, or at least said.

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<v Speaker 1>Something, so that's your shoeudio?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't you have a pair that looked like that

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, Like they're not just a random

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<v Speaker 2>pair that he wears, some tattool pair, like they look

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<v Speaker 2>like his smart shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not like you'd have twelve nice black

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<v Speaker 2>shoes that you might have tattool trainers or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe she's just I mean, she's quite quite busy

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<v Speaker 1>with work and like she's in the family on her own.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she just doesn't notice things like what shoes he has.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose, and he's maybe not worn them in the

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<v Speaker 2>last six years anyway. Yeah, yeah, because he's not maybe

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<v Speaker 2>left the house to do anything nice. Yeah I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, Yeah, I can. I can sort of square

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<v Speaker 2>that enough. I do enjoy the bit where you made

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<v Speaker 2>posters and like her reaction to that. Obviously when you

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<v Speaker 2>watch it for the first time, you don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. He just seems such a lunatic at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, completely, you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Had posters now, I only had twenty because I think

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<v Speaker 2>and that it's a little drawing as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has a perfectly logical reason for that. Or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give the information.

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<v Speaker 2>Out give him information. No, no, yeah, any old person

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<v Speaker 2>could clean the shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does just seem bizarre, like why would he

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<v Speaker 1>be so obsessed with this, with sort of this out

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<v Speaker 1>this shoe. I think I'm trying to remember what I

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<v Speaker 1>felt when I first watched it and what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>why I thought he was so interested in the shoe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't honestly remember, but I wonder if I might

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<v Speaker 1>have twigged that it was something along those lines, that

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been a lost child or something. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I did it all.

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<v Speaker 1>It does seem like that there's got to be something,

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be some other meaning to it, that

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<v Speaker 1>he's there is a reason why he's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>M Yeah. I won't claim that I I worked it

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<v Speaker 1>out because I can't remember, but maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I thought it was just one of those

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<v Speaker 2>episodes where oh, this is just a weird guy. Mm,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't seem to be going anywhere. I think

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<v Speaker 2>is why I wasn't so keen. And then then the

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<v Speaker 2>end kind of comes a bit abruptly, or it did

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<v Speaker 2>for me at the time. Maybe I wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 2>right head space for it to see all of the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of bits leading up, and it didn't feel quite satisfying,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely has subsequently. Oh yeah, although every time I

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<v Speaker 2>watch it, I forget the ending, well not forget the ending,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm always like, well, was it that he had

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<v Speaker 2>a brother that died a twin? Oh? Okay, And I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember exactly. I know the concept, but I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember who the players are in it, right, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>I did that again today.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh okay, But yeah again about this the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they depict this obsession that he has. Another bit

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<v Speaker 1>I really like is when the phone rings and he

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<v Speaker 1>assumes that it's going to be about the shoe, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it turns out to be her mum, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like his entire world revolves around this shoe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore he assumed is that everyone else's world revolves

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<v Speaker 1>around it as well, And.

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<v Speaker 2>It couldn't possibly be anyone else on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, you know, it's very much a one track mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and no ways, like, get off the phone. They

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<v Speaker 2>could be calling. They could be calling like it's some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of hotline for crime watch or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the look she gives him when she just

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the room with the phone.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'm being a little bit flippant about

427
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<v Speaker 2>it because I'm sort of how you would be meant

428
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<v Speaker 2>to view it when you're first seeing it exactly. Yes,

429
00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:31.519
<v Speaker 2>it is objectively very silly. Obviously, it hits a lot

430
00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.079
<v Speaker 2>harder when you do know why he's doing all this stuff.

431
00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing. I love these episodes where it

432
00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.519
<v Speaker 1>is you know, most episodes really where you get such

433
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<v Speaker 1>a different experience the first time versus a rewatch.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely definitely one of them.

435
00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we move into summer, we.

436
00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Do I like the little sheet that hits the window. Yeah,

437
00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.119
<v Speaker 2>the drawing and how it's done to press against the

438
00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:58.920
<v Speaker 2>window and then fly away again. Yeah, it must have

439
00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:00.640
<v Speaker 2>been tricky, key shot to do.

440
00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Nice transition.

441
00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really nice transition, and this will be

442
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.799
<v Speaker 2>where we get Steve pop up. It is, yes, for

443
00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.640
<v Speaker 2>his obligatory appearance. His role is Chris. It's it's probably

444
00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.680
<v Speaker 2>one of his smallest roles in the whole thing. Yeah,

445
00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.480
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really add a lot him personally, and so

446
00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:20.480
<v Speaker 2>he's got to be there to be a catalyst for.

447
00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Things, but he just serves a function really hm hmm.

448
00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>This is very much Reese's episode.

449
00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I think I think he does a fantastic

450
00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:29.319
<v Speaker 1>job in it.

451
00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.079
<v Speaker 2>He does. I'd feel like Steve gets more episodes where

452
00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.319
<v Speaker 2>he's the center, if there is just one of them.

453
00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Possibly.

454
00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm basically not on absolutely nothing, but

455
00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.279
<v Speaker 2>just a feeling that I've got. I've not done, like

456
00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, gone through the episodes and on the mass.

457
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<v Speaker 1>But no, I don't know if I've thought about it.

458
00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Really, Reese tends to be the more side character. I

459
00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.079
<v Speaker 2>feel that pops up with a girlfriend or a wife

460
00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:53.359
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Yes, No, to be a side character to

461
00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.319
<v Speaker 2>push stuff on for Steve and his wife or whatever character.

462
00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but no, he's very good at doing this new

463
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.480
<v Speaker 1>slowly losing it hmm. Thing. It really suits him.

464
00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

465
00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so yeah, there's this thing of that they're

466
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<v Speaker 1>sort of trying to get David back into work. As

467
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<v Speaker 1>I said, he brings them the martinis, but he's obviously

468
00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.839
<v Speaker 1>forgotten he's done that, which I think is quite clever

469
00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and again reminded me a bit of Tom and Jerry

470
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<v Speaker 1>actually with it.

471
00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I got Tom and Jerry lot.

472
00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Where they say about, oh, you know, about three weeks ago,

473
00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:26.519
<v Speaker 1>and she says, no, it was more like three months ago.

474
00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Whether they're losing track of time.

475
00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:31.319
<v Speaker 2>I did. Yeah, I got the strongest link to that

476
00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.880
<v Speaker 2>episode of all of them. Yes, it felt like there

477
00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.119
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of callbacks to that in a way. Yeah,

478
00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>similar sort of vibe.

479
00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, this is another person that comes

480
00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in and he expects to be as fascinated by the

481
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.200
<v Speaker 1>shoe as he is. Yeah, and this is it's just

482
00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:48.559
<v Speaker 1>as the episode goes on, and it just becomes more

483
00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and more awkward that people aren't and you know, you're

484
00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.559
<v Speaker 1>so sorry for him. It's so sad that he just

485
00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.799
<v Speaker 1>can't see that it's not appropriate and like no one cares.

486
00:21:58.440 --> 00:21:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Isn't the normal thing to do?

487
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then of course she reveals that she threw

488
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it away. Yeah, and he absolutely hits the roof.

489
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, freaks. Hence I probably why he's got it locked

490
00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:13.279
<v Speaker 2>away after that, I'm guessing. Yeah, it was like it

491
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't long ago there been man hadn't been well.

492
00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just think this is such a good episode

493
00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.559
<v Speaker 1>because you can understand exactly why he freaks like that

494
00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:26.599
<v Speaker 1>when it means so much to him that it's essentially

495
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>a stand in for his lost son.

496
00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and why he's so you.

497
00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Know, he's so protective of it, and you know when

498
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.559
<v Speaker 1>he lets Chris touch it and he's like, oh careful.

499
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like there's no lines wasted in it, like everything

500
00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>is so well crafted. Yeah, it is a beautiful episode.

501
00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.240
<v Speaker 1>It really is. And yeah, then it's again more is

502
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.799
<v Speaker 1>so awkward. But this he tells him to time him

503
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and see if he can go two minutes without talking

504
00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.640
<v Speaker 1>about it, and he's like, oh no no. And the

505
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>fact that Louise is like no, I want you to

506
00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>see this, it's like because you feel so sorry for

507
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 1>her as well, Like she is she's having to deal

508
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>with a lot dealing with this, you know, and.

509
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.480
<v Speaker 2>It's her kid too.

510
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, one, and she must be so alone in

511
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>this because her husband has vacated the building like effectively, Yeah,

512
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 1>he's now just a shoe man. His life is this shoe.

513
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.119
<v Speaker 1>He's not her husband anymore. He's some shell of a man,

514
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.599
<v Speaker 1>very sad.

515
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.400
<v Speaker 2>And a bold thing to have a good twenty seconds

516
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 2>worth of absolute silence.

517
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's so good, isn't it.

518
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but it feels like eternity it.

519
00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Does it always will rent it something like that. But

520
00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, again we mentioned this all the time, but

521
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>how well they would work on stage, But like that

522
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of pause on stage would be so powerful.

523
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh you would hear a pin drop? Yeah.

524
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And Chris being so again he feels awkward about

525
00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.759
<v Speaker 1>what he's doing, having to do this, and like he's

526
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.839
<v Speaker 1>everyone's almost sort of pussy footing around David and sort

527
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>of treating him with kid gloves. Yeah, because he's so delicate,

528
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, that's sort of small talk about the

529
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 1>holiday and he's like how long? And he thinks he's

530
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>asking how long is he going away for? And he's

531
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>actually just it's like a drug addict. It's like an addiction,

532
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:10.839
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

533
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not really even listening.

534
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>No, it's like it really is. It's like he's going

535
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>cold turkey from a drug. He's having this physical reaction.

536
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just can't understand why anyway else wouldn't it be.

537
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And when he says, this is very cruel what

538
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 1>you're doing, and she's like, I just want to help you.

539
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she does, she does.

540
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

541
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you watch the whole episode and whenever he

542
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 2>talks about the shoot, if you imagine he's talking about

543
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a child, like it does make sense, like absolutely, well,

544
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>you would have a national appeal looking for this child

545
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.319
<v Speaker 2>if they've gone missing or whatever. You would be putting

546
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 2>calls out on the radio and having press briefings and stuff,

547
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 2>which is effectively exactly what he sees it as. Yeah,

548
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>it makes the radio interview quite tricky. Yeah, I mean funny.

549
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what it means, but yes, pretty awful.

550
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Just before the radio interview, there's that interesting little moment

551
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:12.759
<v Speaker 1>where Chris takes Louise's hand and they appear to in

552
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 1>my view at least, they appear to almost have a

553
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 1>little moment.

554
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh you think and.

555
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>She just says, she says, I can't, as if like

556
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>there's a potential spark there or like he could be

557
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a shoulder to cry on sort of thing.

558
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh I don't remember that. That's interesting.

559
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So when he goes out, when he goes out

560
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to find the shoe in the bin, Yeah, they have

561
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a little moment at the table and Chris takes Louise's

562
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>hand and then she just goes, I can't. Yeah, and

563
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I did wonder.

564
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>If they might be having an affair of some description.

565
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, good on her for not succumbing

566
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 1>to that, But it's interesting that it was there as

567
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a possibility.

568
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>M There's so many little layers that they never even

569
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>explore upon, but you can read into if you want.

570
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>There might be all sorts going on behind the scenes.

571
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 1>And Yeah, then the radio interview with Danny.

572
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Baker, Danny Baker or people.

573
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought when I first watched it, I thought it

574
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.400
<v Speaker 1>was Jonathan Ross or I thought it was somebody trying

575
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to do an impression of Jonathan Ross, Okay, but then

576
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I realized it's just Danny Baker being himself. But oh

577
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>my god. It's typical of that sort of thing, though,

578
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. That's sort of not really taking them seriously

579
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and making everything into a joke.

580
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the whole sort of Jerry Springer like Jeremy

581
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Kyle type thing of just using people for entertainment and

582
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>like belittling their feelings.

583
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Because that's the thing. Like we know, we know David

584
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 1>is deeply serious about this and what it means to him,

585
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but for this radio show, it's just, Oh, this is

586
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 1>a bit weird, isn't it. This man is doing a

587
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>big appeal to find this missing shoe person. Yeah, like

588
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 1>it is a bit of a joke for them.

589
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can understand it when you don't know anything. Yeah,

590
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>he's just an letter that's obsessed with the shoe.

591
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then there's something here that I want to

592
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.640
<v Speaker 1>put a pin in and come back to at the end.

593
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.039
<v Speaker 1>But it's the moment when he switches off the radio

594
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>right and then he hears his daughter Sally called daddy

595
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and he goes.

596
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 2>To her right.

597
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 1>So I would just want to highlight that and say

598
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to come back to that later because I

599
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>think that's quite important. Okay, but yeah, the next big

600
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>thing we get is ted.

601
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Ted Matthew Bayton, love Matthew Bane.

602
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>The Lovely Matthew Bainton.

603
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's wonderful. So yeah, I can't remember what I

604
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>thought when I first saw this because she's very awkward, Yes,

605
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>which makes sense, but I'm like, why would you've come

606
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>all the way from Norfolk to claim a shoe?

607
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, unless Yeah, it is strange. It doesn't really

608
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 1>make sense, No, but it does make sense when you

609
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>find out later why he's there.

610
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It does. Although how has she arranged this? So she's

611
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 2>just gone through all random people that she tangentially knows

612
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 2>will you come over to my house and pretend to

613
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>claim a shoe.

614
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 1>It could be that I did see online. Other people

615
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 1>have suggested that perhaps Ted is the one she's getting

616
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>solace from.

617
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I wondered. Yeah, in the background. Who knows,

618
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>because that's what he implies, doesn't he? David later, Oh, yes,

619
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>that are they having an affair or something?

620
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Personally, I don't buy that. I don't get that from it.

621
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think I do either.

622
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I think he was just a friend. He was somebody

623
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.039
<v Speaker 1>that she knew well, but that David wouldn't know because

624
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>it was from her past. So she used she used

625
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that to her advantage. Yeah, but yes, I mean it's

626
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 1>such a mundane explanation for where this shoe came from

627
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that he seems disappointed, doesn't he?

628
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>He wanted some big event.

629
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's almost like he's become so obsessed with this

630
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>whole process of finding the owner that actually finding the

631
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>owner is just a bit of a damp squib, like, oh,

632
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>bit of an anti climax.

633
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a finale that we've built up in our

634
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.880
<v Speaker 2>minds to be better than it would be. Yeah, have

635
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:57.720
<v Speaker 2>we heard that before?

636
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 1>And he oh god, he just treats it like a

637
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>police matter, doesn't he.

638
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so again I'm laughing and I shouldn't be,

639
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 2>but it's it is so funny. And the way his

640
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>eyes pop above the.

641
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Paper, Yeah, I think you can. You can laugh. It

642
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 1>is intended to be funny, Yeah, because that's the whole

643
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 1>point of it, isn't it. It's funny until you.

644
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Know the twist, until it isn't.

645
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>But yes, you know when he says about you know,

646
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>which is the correct tread A B, C or D.

647
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's not just that. It's also the fact that

648
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the letters are in a jumbled order than on the

649
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>right order, which to me is like another layer of

650
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>all deception, like you know, like a magician. And Ted

651
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 1>is just looking so sad. He's just looking so concerned

652
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 1>for his friend's husband. Yeah, as you find out later.

653
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>And also like he's not seen this, like he'll presumably

654
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>have gone she'll have told him what the deal is

655
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and he wouldn't have bought that it was anywhere nearest

656
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 2>of here is this exactly?

657
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, oh god, it's all true what she said.

658
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and probably worse, Yes, I fact that he's probably

659
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 2>had these cards dashed away in a cupboard for weeks,

660
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 2>waiting for him to get to show them to someone.

661
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

662
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's probably had this plan of what the interview would.

663
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Be like because he wasn't expecting him to turn up.

664
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 1>He just turned up, didn't he.

665
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, and he fully expected loads of people

666
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 2>would turn up. He's expecting the cone to be ringing

667
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>off the hook. Yeah, people trying to steal his shoe,

668
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 2>so he would be trying to come up with ways

669
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>of weeding out the impostors.

670
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bless him. And then yeah, he just can't bear

671
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to part with it. Yeah, but at least said the

672
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 1>shoes are going to be together, which is what he

673
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 1>really wants.

674
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what matters.

675
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is where he starts to use the pronoun

676
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>hymn for the shoe.

677
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh he does, I'd not noticed that. Yeah.

678
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he says, I won't make you try him on. Yeah,

679
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a bit, a bit weird. Yeah, that's the shift.

680
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't notice that. Like I said, not a word wasted.

681
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Is important, very very good. So then we go to Autumn.

682
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Mammy the Pumpkin.

683
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and there's an interesting little moment there where Sally

684
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 1>brings up funerals. Hmmm, and there's a moment where Louise

685
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>is just a bit awkward, like yes, yes, and obviously

686
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>given what we know later, So the twin died six

687
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Yeah, but this girl is older than six,

688
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, eight maybe, Yeah, so she

689
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.319
<v Speaker 1>must have been you know, she must have been old

690
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>enough to be aware of what was going on.

691
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's not old enough to really have had much

692
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 2>of an attachment to remember.

693
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she presumably remember. What she means is she

694
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 1>remembers the funeral and that's why she's bringing up.

695
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and everyone being sad in it being a big event,

696
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 2>but she won't remember what it was. Yeah, potentially. Can

697
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I imagine if the dad's so still miserable six years on,

698
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>which obviously makes sense that they probably haven't had many

699
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>fun events that she would have been to between then

700
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 2>and now, no to remember mm hmm.

701
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's remarkable how well adjusted the girl is given everything.

702
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

703
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's quite a shift this scene,

704
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. David seems to be doing really well back

705
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:06.319
<v Speaker 1>in work.

706
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's nice to see and like he's really stuck

707
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>in and he's talking about trips abroad and you know, yeah,

708
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>he's probably I don't want to say over it, but

709
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like he's moved on and off.

710
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's moving forward.

711
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's going in the right direction at least at

712
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>this point.

713
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>And then you know his his greatest test there in

714
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that scene is her recital of the nursery rhyme, which

715
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is where we get the title of the episode. Yes,

716
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 1>were you familiar with this rhyme?

717
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't.

718
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think I was.

719
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 2>I was watching this and my housemate came in just

720
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>probably about as this is it autumn started, Yeah, and

721
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>he was sat watching it. Then she said a little

722
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>thing and he goes, what the fuck was that? What

723
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>the hell is she about?

724
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

725
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>It makes no sense.

726
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>No, Well, most nursery rhymes are weird, aren't they.

727
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Like if you've gone into this assembly and that's all

728
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 2>that happened, I'd be very disappointed.

729
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I doubt that's all that happens.

730
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 2>They all have some nonsense three lines to say.

731
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but no, I think he deals with that quite well.

732
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Like Louise is clearly like on eggshells, like waiting to

733
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>see if he's going to flip because of the one

734
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 1>shoe off from one shoe on. Yeah, he seems to

735
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 1>deal with it quite well until the daughter hugs him,

736
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and then you see his face as a little bit.

737
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 1>He's wabbling a little bit, I think, hmm. But I

738
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.559
<v Speaker 1>do think overall he seems to be doing pretty well

739
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>in this Yeah, in this moment.

740
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, definitely he's adjusting. Not I just did, but

741
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take much to shake him still.

742
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>No, And I do think clearly he has a lot

743
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 1>of love for this remaining daughter.

744
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>That they have. Yeah, and like the way he walks

745
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 2>in and says, my girls or whatever, did you seem

746
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 2>really sweet family?

747
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because it's like the thing is like, yeah, obviously

748
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to get over something so tragic happening,

749
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>but you can't let it be more important than the

750
00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 1>people you do have, you know what I mean.

751
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.839
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. It would be so tough, Yeah, because

752
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you can't just let it swallow you. Yeah, because you've

753
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>got to be there for the other one exactly.

754
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing. It's hard, it's very hard, but

755
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>like being grateful for the child he does have and

756
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the wife he has and stuff. Yeah, So quite a

757
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>short scene there, and let me skip onto Winter.

758
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, where it all goes downhill.

759
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 1>It all goes downhill, the shoe is back on the grass.

760
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>It is, and it all goes to hell. Yes, do

761
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 2>we reckon? Going back to what we said earlier about

762
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 2>whether he dissociates and makes stuff up that he forgets. Yeah,

763
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 2>did he plan? Is this another thing that he planned?

764
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you reckon? He's been thinking about this Ted person

765
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>all this time and are they real and has been

766
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>going through the photo albums and trying to hunt it down.

767
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Or do we take it at face value that he

768
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 2>was just making a photo album?

769
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I personally took it at face value.

770
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I did until literally just now I wondered whether, oh, okay,

771
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>is he concocting more stuff?

772
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's possible, It is possible. But I think

773
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>it's nice that, you know, as we said in the

774
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 1>last scene, he was doing so well if he's continuing

775
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>on that trajectory hopefully, and then it's just accidentally stumbling

776
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>across this photo that changes everything. Yeah, it's quite nice as.

777
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>It would be tough if that is genuine. What happened,

778
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>like that sense of betrayal, Yeah, to come out of

779
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>nowhere when he wasn't even expecting it.

780
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't really blame Louise for doing it, No,

781
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 1>not at all. She must have been at the end

782
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>of her tether and like out of options.

783
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Because assuming he is dead set on he's got to

784
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 2>find who owns this shoe, and it's never going to end. Yeah,

785
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>she's got to do something to stop it.

786
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, it soon becomes clear it's really not

787
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>about the shoe. It's never been about the shoe. Nope, Andy,

788
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they finally explicitly acknowledged that Sally's not just her brother,

789
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 1>but her twin mm hmm. Joseph died six years ago. Yeah,

790
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and this has all been his way of trying to

791
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.559
<v Speaker 1>reunite them, that they're a pair and they should be together.

792
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really sad. You can see it in his eyes.

793
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing performance, Fraies, It's haunting.

794
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is an amazing actor and.

795
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Really shows it off here.

796
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

797
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, interesting question at this point, what do you take

798
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>has actually happened?

799
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You mean, when we see the blood on his hands

800
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and all that.

801
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I only just found something out about that

802
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>just now, Oh okay, just before this call. Okay, so

803
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I do know the answer, right, But what do you Reckon.

804
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, the way I see it, it's left deliberately ambiguous.

805
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>So the way I see it, you realize the blood

806
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 1>on his hands, it's not his blood. And he's literally

807
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>just said they should be together after they talked about

808
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 1>some being dead. And the way I see it, there's

809
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 1>a split second. For me, there's a split second where

810
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 1>you think, oh my god, he hasn't killed his daughter,

811
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>has he? And then he brings up Ted and says

812
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that he went to see him to get the shoe

813
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 1>from him. Yeah, So my understanding at the end is

814
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that he went and he probably killed Ted. But I

815
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>don't believe. I don't believe he killed his daughter, right, however.

816
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I am, But you believe it's meant to be open ended.

817
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I do believe it's meant to be open ended.

818
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, interesting, Okay, So I was looking up on this

819
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>to see what the consensus was, and I stumbled across

820
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.760
<v Speaker 2>a podcast with Adam Buxton from about twenty seventeen with

821
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.760
<v Speaker 2>recent Stevon discussing their careers right, And they were talking

822
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.880
<v Speaker 2>about dark episodes and people making up things, and they

823
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>said that they'd read that this theory that he'd actually

824
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 2>killed his daughter, and they were like, we never even

825
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>thought of that. Oh wow, So it wasn't intended to

826
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>be open ended. They'd never even considered that was an ending.

827
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 3>And Rees had a line saying, you know, one about

828
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 3>putting wanting to put the shoes and saying that they

829
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>should be together, and people interpreted that as being they

830
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 3>should be together, I e. I'm going to go and

831
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.920
<v Speaker 3>kill the other one, And people thought that the ending

832
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 3>that we'd come up with is that he had gone

833
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 3>and killed.

834
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>The other one and pared them by having and.

835
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>That was never in our minds.

836
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 1>We were like, who are these sick people? That's interesting

837
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>because it really does seem you know, even if it's

838
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 1>just for that split second, Yeah, it does seem very intentional.

839
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I thought.

840
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 1>So what was it before you've listened to however? What

841
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 1>did you think the end was.

842
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was open ended. I did think it

843
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>would probably be ted, but I don't I don't know

844
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>if I'd have liked it to have been more heavily

845
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>hinted that it might have that it could have been

846
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.280
<v Speaker 2>either yeah, like for for Louise to have gone, oh

847
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>god and ran out or something. Yeah, as in she's

848
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 2>running upstairs to check on Sally.

849
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think I quite like it being open ended.

850
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, as you say, it wasn't intentionally open ended,

851
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>but nevertheless it seems open ended. Like for everyone who

852
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.360
<v Speaker 1>watches it.

853
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 2>You can understand him, I mean you can't, but you

854
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>can understand him having potentially murdered Ted. Like, not only

855
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>is he lied to him, he at this point potentially

856
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>thinks he's having an affair with his wife, and like

857
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>there's several layers of obviously wrong, but he could jump

858
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to conclusions.

859
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially if, as we know, he blacks out

860
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't know what he's doing.

861
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 2>He says he doesn't remember what he's done. Yeah, doesn't he.

862
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>But the thing with Sally is like, so even when

863
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I was rewatching it for this, Ben came down and

864
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 1>just caught the last couple of minutes of it, and

865
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:38.639
<v Speaker 1>he obviously didn't know what had been going on in

866
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the whole episode, but he picked up obviously that there

867
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 1>were these twins and one of them had died. And

868
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 1>then he even he thought, in that split second he

869
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>thought that he had killed his daughter.

870
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, I mean inside number nine in general, that is

871
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that would make sense, like that does seem. Yes, the

872
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing that he might have done.

873
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>But so if we come back to now what I

874
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.039
<v Speaker 1>put a pin in earlier. The reason they want to

875
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>to bring that up is because I think, actually, despite

876
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>everything and despite his obsession with the shoe, I think

877
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>his existing daughter is the most important thing in his life,

878
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>right and that even when he's you know, he's been

879
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>listening to his radio interview and it's all about that.

880
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>As soon as he hears daddy, as soon as he

881
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>hears her calling, he gets up and he goes to.

882
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Her right so she can stack him out of it.

883
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 1>That was my way of saying, like, I don't think

884
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 1>that he would kill her right.

885
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Now, I can see that he does stap at her

886
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit with the shoe when she's getting it as

887
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 2>a car. Yeah.

888
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say that that is that is

889
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 1>one bit.

890
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.960
<v Speaker 2>That's early on in the obsession, Like, yes, he's probably

891
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a bit over hyper focus at that point, but.

892
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's super interesting that they never even considered it,

893
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>because it's how can you write How can you write

894
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that line going from you know he's dead and they

895
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>should be together to then oh my god, you've got

896
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>blood on your hands and not see that connection that

897
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.360
<v Speaker 1>just seems so like obvious.

898
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It really does.

899
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, isn't it. And we assume, you know, I mean,

900
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 1>we hear the sirens.

901
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, something's happened.

902
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Something's coming for him. Yeah.

903
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's hope he's just wrestled the shoe off him

904
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and that was all.

905
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Well.

906
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably unlikely. I think.

907
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Death. Death.

908
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a staple of this series, it is. Yeah.

909
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Then the final revelations where we have this really

910
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>slow zoom in on.

911
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 2>That photo's sweet.

912
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Turns out they were his shoes all along. Yeah, and

913
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the CCTV shows as it was him who put the

914
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 1>shoe there.

915
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I do like that. That's in the credits as well. Yeah,

916
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>quite a nice little that'll touch.

917
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, isn't it. I wonder do you think it

918
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>improves the episode having that revelation there or do you

919
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 1>think you're better without it?

920
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>No? I like it. I like it. Yeah, I don't

921
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 2>mind it sometimes being a bit left open ended, but

922
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't like where something that's quite core to the

923
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 2>plot is omitted. Okay, Like I like that that sort

924
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of ties up ties up the.

925
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Question of where the shoe came from.

926
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Where the shoe came from, because part.

927
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Of me wonders if actually it would have been better

928
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>if it was just literally a random thing and he

929
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>never found out. I mean, I know he doesn't find out,

930
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>but we never found out because it is one of

931
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 1>those things in life you don't find these things out

932
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>or true.

933
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it could have been that that just

934
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 2>set him off, Like, does it make more sense that

935
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know about him it wasn't planned as much

936
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.679
<v Speaker 2>as his subconscious planned it. If it was just a

937
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>random shoe, yeah, and that fully sent him off down

938
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 2>this spiral.

939
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but no. Also, on the other hand, it does,

940
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>as you say, like he's clearly well. We know he's

941
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>clearly not well, and the fact that at the beginning

942
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 1>of the episode when we see him, he does seem

943
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>fairly normal and fairly well adjusted, going for.

944
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 2>A run, for God's sake, Yeah, I mean who goes

945
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>for a run?

946
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But if he's if his subconscious has planted this

947
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 1>shoe there, as we then see at the end, he's

948
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously not okay, you.

949
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, no, not all poor guy.

950
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

951
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 2>I hope you got some help.

952
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like I said, Eli, just just sorry for

953
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Louise as well.

954
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now she's not only lost her son, but her

955
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 2>husband as well. Like, yeah, she's probably presumably in prison

956
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>for at least ABH like GBH murder, who knows?

957
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 1>And we hope she still has Sally.

958
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, god imagine that. Yeah, if you'd murdered

959
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>both of them exactly.

960
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, good episode.

961
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. Yeah, I had to give it more of a chance.

962
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know as I would have ever given it

963
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 2>another chance if you've not been watching them.

964
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, well yeah, I'm glad you did.

965
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

966
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Shall we rate it?

967
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

968
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Out of nine?

969
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>You go first?

970
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, As I said, I do think this might be

971
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite.

972
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 2>It's really as strong as that.

973
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it's personal, isn't it?

974
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Of course? Yeah, no I'm not. Yeah, you judge it, however,

975
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you like.

976
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I think personally to me, just because, like I said,

977
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I find it's so captivating. I think Reese's performance is amazing,

978
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and I find the whole obsession thing to be sadly

979
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 1>quite relatable. Not that I am quite a bad extreme

980
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so yeah, I think for me, in terms

981
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of my enjoyment level, I'm going to say in eight

982
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 1>out of nine for this episode.

983
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Nice, Nice, what do I go. It's a tough one,

984
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and that we've said before about judging it on a

985
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 2>first watch, because that's what in the intent for most people,

986
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and whereas I feel like this one actually will be

987
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 2>scored less on that, like it scores better on a rewatch.

988
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Six feels too low, but a seven feels really high. No,

989
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I'll go a seven. Okay, it is good. It is

990
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>really good and it is very well made.

991
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>What do you think you'd have rated it before rewatching it?

992
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Like before, just on the first watch, and how I

993
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 2>remember it? Yeah, oh best of four? Okay, I don't know.

994
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I just yeah, it's grown on me a lot.

995
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

996
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Good, it's probably as well. Comes down to my appreciation

997
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 2>more for acting now than I would have done. What

998
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>was this ten years ago? Okay, nearly ten years ago?

999
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Interesting, but yeah, I kind of was looking forward

1000
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to get into this one for a long time because

1001
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I did remember really liking it, and yeah, didn't disappoint.

1002
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Good. Well, that's nearly series three done.

1003
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Nearly. There's one important question you haven't asked me that

1004
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm dying too.

1005
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Did you spot the hair well? And if you didn't,

1006
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I think you need to go to Specsavis.

1007
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, yeah, well, actually I did

1008
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 1>go to Specsavers. Yes, that's why you spied it, Yes, exactly.

1009
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I haven't even picked up my new glasses yet, but

1010
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I would have had to stop doing the

1011
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>podcast if I hadn't spotted it. Yeah, it was right

1012
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>in your face, wasn't It might.

1013
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Be the third most easy to spot hair in the

1014
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>whole series.

1015
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, when he's dusting the pictures, Yeah, and it's

1016
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 1>there on the sideboard.

1017
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about three minutes in. Yeah. I wonder if I

1018
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>looked when he did it, and because it was on

1019
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the far left of the dresser, and wonder if he

1020
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>might have made two of them in this one, but

1021
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 2>one on the other end to keep their two thing going.

1022
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 2>But no, but where that might have been a bit

1023
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 2>obvious for the possibly did you spot our hair? Dear listeners?

1024
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 2>We will let you know where it was next week,

1025
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 2>will we were? Indeed, when we're back for the finale

1026
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>private view.

1027
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, which I don't remember very well at all. No,

1028
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I particularly liked it that much,

1029
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 1>but we will see, we will see what I think

1030
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 1>this time.

1031
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember not liking Peter Kay, but otherwise I see

1032
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Peter Kay is in it? Yeah is he? Yeah?

1033
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 1>My god, I really don't remember it.

1034
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Not for long, and it doesn't fare well.

1035
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, well

1036
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 1>yeah that'll be fun but yeah, until then, I think

1037
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it's time to close the door on number nine.

1038
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 2>But you never really leave, do you.

1039
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like

1040
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.280
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1041
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.800
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1042
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.119
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1043
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.480
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1044
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:28.280
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