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<v Speaker 1>A competitive spirit is part of what drives professional athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>They strive not only to be better than their competitors,

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<v Speaker 1>but better than the athlete that they once were. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some out there who will do whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to win, no matter the cost. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of figure skating legend Nancy Kerrigan. She was assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>for her skills in the figure skating world. The attack

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<v Speaker 1>on her was meant to take her out of the

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<v Speaker 1>competition for good and raise someone else to the top instead.

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<v Speaker 1>This is her story.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast. The following podcast and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience listener discretion as it.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first ever podcast video is officially up on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>We got it done.

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<v Speaker 2>We did it finally.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a little while to get everything figured out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's done. It's up. This one's being recorded and

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<v Speaker 1>being thrown up on YouTube too. A little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a round of applause and a pattern our back, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of ourselves for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Third time was charm, wasn't it it? It was just

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<v Speaker 2>took three times. That's not terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not at all, you know, but it's up there.

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<v Speaker 1>We got it done. So we're going to continue posting

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<v Speaker 1>these in video format. If you want to check it

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<v Speaker 1>out YouTube link down below. We have two YouTube channels

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<v Speaker 1>for the record of log one and one that actually

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<v Speaker 1>hosts the podcast, so they're both in the description. Very cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but we got a lot going on that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. We're going to get through this real

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<v Speaker 1>quick so we can get onto the episode, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Kerrigan, which is a very heavily researched one. Took

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to get through. I could imagine it's

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know this, it is a wild sports story.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to get into that. But first we

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<v Speaker 1>want to thank our Patreons. We do everyone who signed

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<v Speaker 1>up on Patreon absolutely so this week we had John Wiseman,

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea Adler, and Amanda all sign up on Patreon and

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting behind the scenes, the extra content, all that

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff, all all all the things.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, honestly, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>They're also getting a heads up on something that we

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<v Speaker 1>just recorded prior to.

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<v Speaker 2>This that you know, it took us about five times,

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<v Speaker 2>but we got it. We nailed it. We nailed it,

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<v Speaker 2>jailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're no voice actors by any means, so it took

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<v Speaker 1>us a bit. But we have a podcast trailer coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally after a two hundred episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well nearly, I think we're on episode. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one seventy one or seven seventy two, I think. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh yeah, they got the heads up on the

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<v Speaker 1>script and everything, and they're gonna hear the actual trailer

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<v Speaker 1>before it's released live.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we did a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm pretty pumped about it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a little like seasoning in there that hints

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<v Speaker 1>at like our name wicked yeh grim that I love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I'm pretty proud of ourselves for that one too.

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<v Speaker 1>So another rando applause for ourselves and having back.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy heck, hey, we deserve a treat or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something, No kidding. Well, I've got a drink. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just have water, just water. Yeah, well, hydration is important.

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<v Speaker 2>It is you know the good old counting calories, right beers? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually I don't know how much calories is in a

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<v Speaker 2>cann of beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't count.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, it has zero you should.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm especially not gonna be counting the calories when we

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<v Speaker 1>are over at our friend Deadfall recording our next true

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Trivia day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will. I won't count calories that day.

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<v Speaker 1>No. So we're gonna be hosting this true Crime Trivia day.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be uh streaming live probably on Instagram or

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon or something. We haven't figured out exactly yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be doing a live stream as well. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our second time doing it. The first one

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<v Speaker 2>was freaking amazing. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how all these people are so smart

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<v Speaker 1>with true CRIMEA.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because honestly, if Ben and I were in attendance,

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<v Speaker 2>we would not have like people wouldn't want us on

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<v Speaker 2>their team.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we would do so bad. I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>because we research so much that it's like the information

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<v Speaker 1>we take in flushes out the information in our head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But I've always sort of had.

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<v Speaker 3>An issue of retaining me too too.

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<v Speaker 2>Because even like when I was in university, I would

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<v Speaker 2>do a course, do the exam, and then it was gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget it like just gone.

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<v Speaker 1>In one ear out the other. Yeah, no, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>you there. I'm the same way, one hundred percent. I

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<v Speaker 1>usually retain the useless information, the useless stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like what's Barbie's full name?

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Melinis Roberts.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I've known that since I was like twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>I just was like scruising the internet looking up weird facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Learned that, and it's stuck with me since.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime you say anything in regards to you rechain useless information.

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<v Speaker 2>I ask you that same question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you do. Anyways, you guys didn't come here to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about Barbie, you look, came here to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the story of Nancy Carrigan. So should we dive

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<v Speaker 1>into it?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna dive in. We're going to do our

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<v Speaker 1>best attempt at a proverbial triple axel and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow that I liked that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just pulled that off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, okay, I thought that was in your script.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. No, okay. So Nancy was born in the

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<v Speaker 1>quaint town of Stoneham, Massachusetts. She emerged as a figure

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<v Speaker 1>skating sensation from her beginnings. Now, she was the youngest

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<v Speaker 1>of her siblings and was the sole daughter of Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>and Brenda Kerrigan. Nancy's journey to the ice ring began

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<v Speaker 1>when quite young. Now. Her family had deeply rooted roots,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, in a blue collar, kind of valued

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<v Speaker 1>a German heritage. So while her brothers pursued hockey, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>though still donning the skates, instead found her passion, gliding

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<v Speaker 1>gracefully on the ice at the age of only six

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite limited resources, her father, Daniel, epitomized sacrifice. He was

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<v Speaker 1>often juggling multiple jobs to support Nancy's skating endeavors and

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<v Speaker 1>of course her brother's hockey as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah those are not cheap sports.

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<v Speaker 1>No, especially hockey. Yeah. Yeah. He even volunteered as a

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<v Speaker 1>zamboni driver for Nancy's skating lessons at the local rink.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, I love this. I love this family.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just like a close knit, blue collar, good valued family,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, right, And they're they're tight, They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing what they need to do, especially for their kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So props to them. Now, under the guidance of her

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<v Speaker 1>first coach, Teresa Martin, Nancy's talent began to blossom. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it was her transition to working with the renowned duo

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy and Mary Scott Fold that marked her big turning

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<v Speaker 1>point in her career. Okay, so once she kind of

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<v Speaker 1>So throughout her competitive journey, the Scott Folds remained pillars

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<v Speaker 1>of support, helping nurture her figure skating potential and just

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<v Speaker 1>really honing those skills. So I think they saw something

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<v Speaker 1>in her and they really helped her develop it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds a good coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely. Now Nancy moved to a national competitive prominence,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a gradual move. Soon her prowess as

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<v Speaker 1>she's kind of going to this national level, she began

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<v Speaker 1>to get this ability to jump higher and better than

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<v Speaker 1>the competitor she was with.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, I mean props to anyone that is good at

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<v Speaker 2>figure skating. I can't skate to save my.

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<v Speaker 1>I can skate really good, but I cannot stop, which

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<v Speaker 1>means I can't do much else other than go. That's

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually super dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah it is, I know now. Her senior debut

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<v Speaker 1>national rankings, culminizing in a bronze medal in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine Winter Universite. Nancy's raise towards greatness continued. Its

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<v Speaker 1>upward trend continued further and further as she clinched third

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<v Speaker 1>place in the nineteen ninety one US Figure Skating Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>So the country she clinched that third place prize, look

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<v Speaker 1>at her go. This achievement granted her entry into the

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<v Speaker 1>highly coveted nineteen ninety one World Figure Skating Championships, where

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<v Speaker 1>she secured the bronze medal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is super impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding. So notably, her win contributed to a historic milestone,

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<v Speaker 1>as a United States actually claimed a clean sweep of

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<v Speaker 1>time ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I bet they were proud of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so her and her teammates were all standing side

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<v Speaker 2>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen ninety two season saw Nancy's remarkable consistency and

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<v Speaker 1>improvement as she once again surpassed her previous year's performance

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<v Speaker 1>at the national Championships, securing the runner up position. Her

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<v Speaker 1>stellar form extended onto the international stage, where she claimed

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<v Speaker 1>bronze medal in the nineteen ninety two Winter Olympics and

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<v Speaker 1>followed it up with a silver at the ninety two

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<v Speaker 2>She means business.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen ninety three season marked a significant milestone in

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy's career as she ascended to the top, claiming the

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<v Speaker 1>title of United States Champion. Despite encouraging the inevitable highs

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<v Speaker 1>and lows inherited with competitive sports, Nancy's unwavering determination and

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<v Speaker 1>commitment to her craft continued to push her forward. Alongside

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<v Speaker 1>her athletic pursuits, she delved into the realm of sponsorships,

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<v Speaker 1>navigating the complexities and endorsement deals and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right still, though she pushed on and kept going through

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<v Speaker 1>her journey, Nancy remained a force to be wrecking with

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<v Speaker 1>in the figure skating world, which brings us to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to say too, to be to have

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of awards. I guess you could call them like,

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<v Speaker 2>you've to have pretty big dedication to it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean she would be eat, sleeping, and breathing. Oh, definitely skating.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the word you're looking for is accolades.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, to have that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet recognition, you know, like all that, Like she was

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<v Speaker 2>the best in the state in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's top tier.

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<v Speaker 1>To be top tier like that, you have to work

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, she certainly was.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it was on January sixth, though, in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get back to this here, that Nancy Carigan was

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<v Speaker 1>It was no secret that Nancy was good with a

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<v Speaker 1>Each skater was doing their thing, warming up on the ice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting their practice routines in, but of course

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<v Speaker 1>one of her practice sessions at the Cabo Arena, and

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<v Speaker 1>moment she stepped off the ice. It was even captured

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<v Speaker 1>ice and until the moment she went behind a draping

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<v Speaker 1>As Nancy walked away and heading down the hallway from

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment in the hallway by a man. In

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<v Speaker 1>that instant, Nancy was attacked and a metal baton and

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<v Speaker 1>struck her right above the right knee, the same leg

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy used to land her signature jumping moves that she

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<v Speaker 1>was so well known for. Nancy began screaming in pain

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<v Speaker 1>as the man fled. Within seconds, people were swarming around

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy and the camera was turned back onto her. She cried,

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<v Speaker 1>asking repeatedly, why, why, why, just why was she attacked?

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<v Speaker 1>It was immediately clear this was a targeted assault, one

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<v Speaker 1>that was meant to take Nancy out of the competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, hey I remember when this went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't realize that so much of it was documented.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there, I don't remember that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a camera crew following her right there,

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<v Speaker 1>and the second that camera turned away, the assault happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. It would have been the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>that she would have ever expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I mean you're at a rink practicing, there's people,

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<v Speaker 1>this is broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean like ice rinks too, are probably

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<v Speaker 2>sort of feel like her safe place, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, huh bu probably her first home really, because she's

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<v Speaker 1>spending so much time then.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually probably yeah, whoa, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine now. The aftermath of the attack unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>as captured by as I mentioned a camera that was

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast globally, with Nancy screaming in pain and being carried

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<v Speaker 1>away by her father, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, oh, her dad was there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Her dad was there and carried her away. The injury

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<v Speaker 1>forced her to withdraw from the US Championships, but her

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<v Speaker 1>fellow skaters rallied behind her, unanimously agreeing that she deserved

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<v Speaker 1>a spot on the Olympic team. So she wasn't able.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't make the qualifyings because like she was injured,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, but they still decided you know, she deserves

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<v Speaker 1>a spot to be on the Olympic team even though

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't make the qualifyings.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she would have had to go in that channelampionship

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<v Speaker 2>in place correct to go correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they were recognizing your talent determination at the USFSA,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the United States Figure Skating Association, and they

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<v Speaker 1>made it the decision to include her in the Olympic roster.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, how oppressive.

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<v Speaker 1>So they held a spot for her regardless of her injury,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of her not placing right on.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems a little bit surprising. Yeah, so good though.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, still she's injured. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty looming over not only the question if she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to make the Olympics, but if she's

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<v Speaker 1>ever even going to be able to skate again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. So they're being pretty optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>They are. They're like, if you can make it, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a spot for you. But still can't, like, can you

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<v Speaker 1>even skate? Who knows? Now? Fortunately, medical assessment revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>her leg miraculously remained unbroken. Instead, she sustained only severe

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<v Speaker 1>bruising to the impacted area. So she was struck right

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<v Speaker 1>above the right knee on her thigh with a metal baton,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did not break her leg. She only was bruised.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of this like nature of her injury, Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>was thankfully able to make a swift recovery and she

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<v Speaker 1>right away plunged back into her rigorous training.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that almost seems like a miracle, right because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't that. I mean, I get I guess if

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<v Speaker 2>the hit wasn't that hard, But you think that that

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<v Speaker 2>would break something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a good chance of it. Yeah, slim chance.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not walking away without a severe permanent injury.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to wonder if they almost meant to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the knee, because I feel like if you did that

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<v Speaker 2>to the knee, for sure, you'd be able to.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch shattering something. If you did it right on the kneecapah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would be shattering that knee cap no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>You almost wonder if it wasn't in a way a

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<v Speaker 2>miracle and the attacker missed where they were supposed.

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<v Speaker 1>To maybe Guardless, So the investigation on the attack on

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Kerrigan was unfolding. It drew upon a few different resources,

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<v Speaker 1>the initial focus centering on the gathering crucial evidence from

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<v Speaker 1>security footage from the cobble arena, which was the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the attack. Now, the footage captured the assailants hasty

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<v Speaker 1>fleeing from the scene. So I think I said that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of weird, hastily there we go fleeing from the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>which was of course a pivotal piece of evidence for investigators. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this in tandem with the footage, eyewitness testimonies also were

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of start describing this individual. So like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've now got camera footage, we have eyewitness statements kind

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about this individual, what he looked like, who

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<v Speaker 1>he might have been, what he was doing, all those

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<v Speaker 1>sort of things. Their account provided valuable descriptions in the

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<v Speaker 1>attacker and critical insight into the nature of the incident. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of tips and information flooded in from various sources,

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<v Speaker 1>shedding light on potential leads and avenues of inquiry. Among

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<v Speaker 1>the leads that emerged, a finger began getting pointed towards

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<v Speaker 1>a woman by the name of Tanya Harding. Now, Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>Harding was a figure skating prodigy hailing from Portland, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>Raised by her mother, she embarked on her journey in

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<v Speaker 1>the sport at the age of only three years old

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<v Speaker 1>when she enrolled in her first ice skating lesson. From there,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya's dedication and talent propelled her through the ranks, leading

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<v Speaker 1>her to make significant sacrifices, including dropping out of high

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<v Speaker 1>school to fully commit to the passion of ice skating.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA that seems I don't know. I don't KNOWSSI that's

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<v Speaker 2>too far. I think I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I difficult to speak on that as a parent. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if I mean. I'm not a parent, so

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say. But if I were in those shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if I could allow my child to

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<v Speaker 1>drop out of high school to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same sense, it's like they are so promising for this,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's a very difficult situation. Education is important, though, if.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to get them closer to achieving their dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a tough it's a tough situation now.

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<v Speaker 1>Herricent, though in the US Figure Skating champions Championships, was

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty six and nineteen eighty nine, which marked

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of her rise. She won the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine Skate American Competition and in nineteen ninety one, she

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<v Speaker 1>clinched the US Championship title and secured silver medal at

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<v Speaker 1>the World Championships. Notably, Tanya even became the first American

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<v Speaker 1>woman and only the second woman worldwide after Midori Ito,

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<v Speaker 1>to successfully execute a triple axle in competition. However, Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>was a clear direct competitor when it came to Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>care again, which now that she was a suspect, only

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<v Speaker 1>fueled speculation into the attack on Nancy was a targeted effort,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically put out to eliminate her from the competition, to

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<v Speaker 1>make it a clear path for her to win easier.

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<v Speaker 1>That became the prominent.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, do you even have to think that way? Is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of disgusting?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I know, but I mean the evidence is there, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily evidence per se yet to say, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what it's looking like. That's what people are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to whisper and talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tanya found herself at the center of scrutiny with

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<v Speaker 1>all this finger pointing, with suspicions mounting about her involvement,

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<v Speaker 1>and on January eighteenth of nineteen ninety four, Tanya Harding

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<v Speaker 1>found herself in a hot seat when she faced questioning

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<v Speaker 1>from the district Attorney in FBI, accompanied by her legal counsel.

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<v Speaker 1>The interrogation stretched over the length of ten grueling hours,

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<v Speaker 1>delling into intricate details of the case in a pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>moment during the marathon of the interview. As interrogation progress,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya's story took a dramatic turn. At this point, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>she's maintaining her innocence and denying any sort of involvement.

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<v Speaker 1>The tide shifted when she confronted was con fronted by

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<v Speaker 1>an FBI agent who accused her of lying. In a

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<v Speaker 1>startling revelation captured by an FBI transcript, Tanya conceded, admitting

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<v Speaker 1>her knowledge that her husband or ex husband, Jeff Gillulei,

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<v Speaker 1>and his involvement in expressing the remorse for her actions. So,

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<v Speaker 1>to quote her quote, I hope everyone understands I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>on someone I really care about. I know now Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>is involved.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she just decided to drop that bomb after

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<v Speaker 2>ten hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, So she dropped the bomb that she knows her

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<v Speaker 1>husband was involved. So now what's kind of coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of this is that she knew after the fact of

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, that her husband had something to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be on January nineteenth that Jeff would

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<v Speaker 1>surrender to the FBI. In the midst of the amounting scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya faced immense media media coverage, sorry including a probing

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Diane Sawyer on Prime Time, where she continued

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain her innocence. However, as the investigation deepened, Jeff's

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<v Speaker 1>testimony began to implicate Tawnya, raising suspicions about her alleged

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like it would more so be her idea,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's just completely throwing her husband or whatever under

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<v Speaker 2>the bus ex husband. So why would an ex husband

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<v Speaker 2>give a shit? You know, Like I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, technically their ex husband, but they're like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>still husband white. She looks at them still as like

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<v Speaker 1>her husband. They still have a relationship, but they're technically divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you want your suppouse to succeed, right, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>would you have come up with this idea on your own?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>I have trouble believing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, lucky enough, I did the research and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk all about that, but we're gonna we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep on track here, so I'm not going to divulge

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<v Speaker 1>everything right away. We're going to keep going through the

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<v Speaker 1>story linear in a linear fashion. So, in an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to mitigate the damage on her own reputation, Tanya held

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<v Speaker 1>it press conference to issue a prepared statement expressing her

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<v Speaker 1>regret for the attack on Nancy, emphasizing her respect for

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<v Speaker 1>her fellow skater, and stated that she had no foreknowledge

428
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<v Speaker 1>of the of the plot to attack her, but admitted

429
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<v Speaker 1>to her failure to report crucial information promptly. In this statement,

430
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<v Speaker 1>she cited legal nuances, emphasizing that withholding criminal knowledge alone

431
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.480
<v Speaker 1>does not constitute a crime under many state laws. So

432
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<v Speaker 1>she's like, technically, I didn't do anything illegal by not

433
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<v Speaker 1>coming forward right away, even though I knew who did

434
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<v Speaker 1>it after she was attacked, but I didn't know beforehand.

435
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<v Speaker 2>That's not a crime.

436
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:54.880
<v Speaker 1>In many state laws. That's what she said. I'm sure

437
00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:56.559
<v Speaker 1>in some states it was. Maybe it is more and

438
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<v Speaker 1>more so now, but at the time it was not

439
00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>necessarily in many states. A lot of people, though, didn't

440
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:07.960
<v Speaker 1>believe Tanya. They're like, okay, sure, she says this but

441
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>is that true. But regardless of all the controversy, as

442
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>one must say, the show must go on real.

443
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean she's really covering her bases here.

444
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, regardless of what was occurring, investigation and everything,

445
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>skating continued. The Ladies single skating event of the nineteen

446
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<v Speaker 1>ninety four Winter Olympics held at the Harmer Olympic Amphitheater

447
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<v Speaker 1>in Norway, and it came seven weeks after the attack.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Despite the challenges and the distractions, Nancy skated what she

449
00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.079
<v Speaker 1>deemed to be the pinnacle of her career, delivering flawless

450
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>performances in both a short program and free skate, again

451
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.759
<v Speaker 1>seven weeks after she was attacked. Badass of the day.

452
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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, that's freaking incredible.

453
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<v Speaker 1>So she had her leg bashed in with a metal

454
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<v Speaker 1>baton and just skated the best performance ever at the Olympics.

455
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because she would have to heal from that,

456
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.599
<v Speaker 2>which would also make it so that she didn't have

457
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.319
<v Speaker 2>quite as much practice in right, Yep, So it's quite incredible.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Oh they're telling me, Wow, I.

459
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Almost want to, like, I probably watched that. I don't

460
00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.279
<v Speaker 2>really remember. We were pretty young then, but i'd like

461
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<v Speaker 2>to go back and watch that.

462
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<v Speaker 1>We should we should so, her remarkable displays in the

463
00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>ice earned her the silver metal. However, the event was

464
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<v Speaker 1>not without controversy. Tanya Harding encountered difficulties with her equipment,

465
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>specifically the laces on her skate, and was granted a

466
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>reskate by the judges. However, regardless, Tanya finished in eighth place. Now,

467
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.440
<v Speaker 1>despite everything that's going on, Nancy emerged from the short

468
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>program competition so the short skate competition in first place,

469
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<v Speaker 1>hoping that she'd clinch the gold, but the coveted gold

470
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>slipped from her grasp of another competitor from Ukraine named

471
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<v Speaker 1>Okasana Bail seized victory and closed the contested and controversial

472
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>five to four decision during the free skate, so Nancy

473
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>made away with silver.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah okay.

475
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Now, despite the bitter disappointment from falling short of the gold,

476
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>her silver medal triumphs serves quite as a testament to

477
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>her resilience, obviously, but with the Olympics now being complete,

478
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the investigation ultimately led to the identification of several individuals

479
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.039
<v Speaker 1>involved in the planning. Because as the Olympics were being

480
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 1>carried on, so was the investigation. And they found out

481
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot more information. So the individuals who planned it

482
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and carried out the attack were including Tanya Hardings x's husband,

483
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Gilulei, her bodyguard Sean Eckhardt, and other associates Derek

484
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Smith and Shane stant So. On January thirteenth, Sean and

485
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Derek were arrested, and the following day, on January fourteenth,

486
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<v Speaker 1>the United States Figure Skating Association made a public statement

487
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 1>on whether the arrest affected Tanya Harding's Olympic placement. They

488
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>said this about it quote. We will deal only with

489
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the facts. So Jeff, Tanya Harding's former husband, provided crucial

490
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 1>testimony to the FBI regarding the attack ploy plot Sorry

491
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on January twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four, divulging a detailed

492
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>account of the events leading up to the infamous now

493
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.039
<v Speaker 1>infamous incident. So according to Jeff, this is all in

494
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>his testimony on how this played out. The plan was

495
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>made in early December of nineteen ninety three, following Tanya's

496
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 1>disappointment at the nineteen ninety three NHK Trophy competition. She

497
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 1>was upset over her placement in the competition and reached

498
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>out to Jeff, who emphasized with her frustration. Subsequently, Jeff

499
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 1>confided in his friend Sean Eckhart about the intricacies of

500
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 1>figure skating and the politics and everything right. Sean mentioned

501
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 1>the idea in this conversation kind of a passing mention,

502
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>what if we just threaten her competition? Like, what if

503
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 1>we threaten Nancy Carigan, you know, her main competitor, in

504
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 1>order hopefully get her to be too fearful of her

505
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 1>own safety to compete, which would lead Tanya to free

506
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 1>to compete and win. Jeff liked the idea the thought,

507
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but the psychological impact on someone threatening skaters could actually

508
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>have an impact on Tanya's performance as well. So, despite

509
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the initial reservations, Jeff mentioned it to Tanya so like potentially, like, hey,

510
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 1>what if we did this? Would that affect you? Would

511
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:29.680
<v Speaker 1>you be okay with it? What do you think?

512
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 2>She liked the idea, My gosh, man, this is a

513
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>conversation that shouldn't be happening. No.

514
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 1>However, she expressed doubts that Sean would have the ability

515
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 1>to execute the threats. In collaboration with his uncle Derek Smith,

516
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Sean proposed a plan to instead actually injure Nancy while

517
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>meeting with Jeff and Tanya discussed details on the plan. However,

518
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>negotiations hit a snag when Derek quoted the price of

519
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>four five hundred dollars to execute it. Later after the meeting,

520
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Jeff attempted to cancel the deal, but was informed by

521
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Sean that Derek was already en route to Portland to

522
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>execute the plan. He also needed further information about Nancy's

523
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 1>whereabouts Now. Instead of insisting to cancel the plans like

524
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.079
<v Speaker 1>he originally said he wanted to, they moved forward with it,

525
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and on December twenty seventh, Tanya reached out to her

526
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 1>friend Vera Morano, a figure skating writer based in Pennsylvania,

527
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>under the pretext of a quote bet she and Jeff

528
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>supposedly had regarding Nancy Nancy's training whereabouts. So she's all like, hey,

529
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious, where does Nancy train? You know, I

530
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 1>got a bet with my husband and where that is?

531
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that does not That's so obvious.

532
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, No. Vera contacted the United States Figure Skating

533
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Association to obtain the name of her training rink, leaving

534
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 1>a message on Jeff's on Tanya's answering machine about it now.

535
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Despite this message, reportedly, it was difficult to discern and

536
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>understand what she said, so Tanya called her again, requesting

537
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>her to correctly spell the name of the arena while

538
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Jeff wrote it down, which was the Tony Kent Arena.

539
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>So during her testimony on January twenty second in nineteen

540
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 1>ninety four, Vera Morano reiterated Tanya's question and the quote

541
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>bat concerning Nancy Kerrigan and disclosed that Tanya had also

542
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>sought information about Nancy's potential property owned in Cape Cod

543
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 1>So she's not only asking where she practices, but where

544
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>she lives now. In Tanya's two thousand and eight authorized

545
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>biography quote The Tanya Tapes, which was based on records

546
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>recorded interviews, Tanya denied ever soliciting information from Via regarding

547
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Nancy's training rink. She even suggested that Vera may have

548
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>misremembered details and was quote was a little bit out there.

549
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Someone wouldn't just make that up, though I know.

550
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>She also said, quote, I really didn't do anything wrong

551
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>except ask questions to win a bet. It's just that

552
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>this sounds bad. I think the bet was for a

553
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>quarter or something like that. Big deal. So first she's

554
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>saying that there was no bet, and then she's saying

555
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>that there is a bet.

556
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what the fuck?

557
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean? Her ex husband could have potentially did this

558
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>bet and she still might not have known he was

559
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 2>just making up this bet.

560
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>But there's potential there.

561
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yet I'm playing like mega to him's advocate.

562
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Here, Well, just say that is the fact. Remember that piece, Okay,

563
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 1>that her husband made up this bet for that piece

564
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>to get that piece of information. Okay, if we can remember,

565
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back to that at the end of the podcast.

566
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<v Speaker 1>There's a piece of information that we could.

567
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Attach to that, Okay.

568
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So on December twenty seventh, Derek and his nephew

569
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Shane stant arrived in Portland and made their way to

570
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Shawn's house, where they requested a meeting with Jeff for

571
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the following day. The next day, December twenty eighth, after

572
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Tanya completed her training at ten thirty am, Jeff drove

573
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 1>them to Shawn's home for the scheduled meeting. During the meeting,

574
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Jeff was introduced to Derek Smith and Shane stant Seawan

575
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>proposed various violent methods of incapacitating Nancy, including cutting her

576
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 1>achilles tendon or running her off the road in an accident,

577
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a car accident, gosh. But Jeff went for a less

578
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 1>severe approach, focusing solely on disabling Nancy's right leg, her

579
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 1>landing leg. This decision allegedly was corroborated with Tanya's with

580
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Tanya beforehand allegedly. Remember this is still all Jeff's testimony.

581
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>This is just so fucked because at some point, like

582
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I get maybe one or two conversations, I mean, it's

583
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.799
<v Speaker 2>so wrong. But at one point you think you'd be like, Okay,

584
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 2>this is just like two fuck, like we can't do this.

585
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 1>This is there's one thing with being like, oh I

586
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>wish I could just take out my competition yeah haha,

587
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.079
<v Speaker 1>like a passing comment, yeah, in her circle.

588
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Which is still not great, but yeah.

589
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>But and then it's like, okay, this is becoming a

590
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>recurring theme. This is a little too real, Like no,

591
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 1>this isn't actually happening, is it.

592
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Like traveling somewhere and all the logistics like this is

593
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 2>too far.

594
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, following this initial meeting, Jeff outlined additional requirements

595
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 1>for the execution off the plan, including acquiring another photo

596
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 1>of Nancy and her skating schedule. So whoever's attacking her

597
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>could know what she looks like and where she will be.

598
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Recognizing Tanya's familiarity with ice skating terminology, Jeff delegated the

599
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>task to her, prompting her to contact Tony Kent Arena

600
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to obtain her quote patch and freestyle times and the

601
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 1>arena's address. Additionally, they obtained two photos of Nancy from

602
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the World Team handbook and Olympian magazine, with Tanya instructing

603
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Jeff to make sure that they moved the magazine's mailing

604
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>label to conceal their home address. That evening, Jeff and

605
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Tanya visited Shawn's residence with the photos, practice times, and

606
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, seven hundred dollars in cash. As January nineteen

607
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>ninety four approach, Jeff and Tanya began growing increasingly frustrated

608
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>by the so far failure of the plant because it

609
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>is yet to be executed. Determined to salvage the scheme,

610
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Tanya arranged a late night skate session on January first,

611
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four, with Jeff proposing an increased payment if

612
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Nancy could still be incapacitated before the national competition because

613
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 1>it's coming up. As a result, the attack finally went

614
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 1>underway at Cobble Arena in Detroit five days later on

615
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 1>January sixth, nineteen ninety four. So we're finally at the

616
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>actual like, she's skating at the arena, just like we

617
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>started at this she's skating doing a thing, stepping off

618
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the ice, and we're going to talk about exactly how

619
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 1>the attack went down. So Shane Eckart, in a twenty

620
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 1>eighteen interview, provided chilling details on how he executed the

621
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 1>assault on Nancy Kerrigan. He described how he positioned himself

622
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>approximately quote a foot and a half behind the camera crew,

623
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 1>patiently waiting for them to cease filming before making his move.

624
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Of course, so as Nancy passed through the curtains, unaware

625
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>of the imminent danger, the camera turned away and he

626
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>made his move.

627
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>And that was the moment, the time.

628
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>That was the time. The second the camera turned away,

629
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 1>he passed by them, followed through that blue curtain down

630
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 1>the hallway, caught up to her, and yeah, so he

631
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 1>approached her from behind with his telescopic biton and used

632
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it to strike the lower right thigh before swiftly fleeing

633
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the scene. To facilitate his escape, Sean smashed through a

634
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 1>locked glass door to exit the arena. Outside, Derek Smith

635
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 1>awaited in a car ready to act as the getaway driver,

636
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>which enabled him to evade capture from the fleet or

637
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>capture from the scene immediately after. So Shane, Sean, and

638
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Derek all corroborate much of this testimony. Of course, there's

639
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of varying accounts, some points of view

640
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>in between, but the consensus between them all was Tanya

641
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>was involved, and she knew about the plan before it occurred.

642
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, it sure kind of seems like it. I mean,

643
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>none of that. It makes sense that she would be involved.

644
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 2>This story makes sense that there's no way I don't

645
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>think that she wouldn't have been.

646
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, put it this way, I'm pretty sure she probably

647
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>would have been at least somewhere in the vicinity of

648
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 1>this training center, and I'm pretty sure she would have

649
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>recognized Sean, Hey, Sean, what are you doing here? Or Derek,

650
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we're out here in the parking lot. What are you

651
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>doing here? You know, so just saying yeah. So on

652
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 1>February first, nineteen ninety four, Jeff's attorney managed a plea

653
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>deal where Jeff agreed to provide testimony implicating all parties

654
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>involved in the attack, so hence the testimony we just heard, right. Subsequently,

655
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 1>in July, Jeff received received a two year prison sentence

656
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>after publicly expressing remorse to Nancy Kerrigan, although he did

657
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 1>admit that his apology would be very empty and didn't

658
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.119
<v Speaker 1>hold any fucking weight to it.

659
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, right now.

660
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Additionally, Jeff and Sean pleaded guilty to racketeering charges, while

661
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Shane stant and Derek Smith pleaded guilty to conspiracy to

662
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>commit second degree assault. On March sixteenth, nineteen ninety four,

663
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>this is the moment you're waiting for. Tanya Harding pleaded

664
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<v Speaker 1>guilty to conspiracy to hinder prosecution, which is a Class

665
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>C felony, accompanied by her lawyer, Robert Weaver. Tanya also

666
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>entered a plea agreement to ensure she would not face

667
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>further secution. In return, she should provide testimony for her

668
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 1>knowledge after the fact.

669
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>So she's played guilty though she.

670
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Pled guilty to hindering prosecution conspiracy to hinder.

671
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Prosecution, Okay, so basically the fact.

672
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 1>With holding information after the fact, kay, And now she's

673
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 1>entering a plea agreement where she provides information after the fact.

674
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Everything is after the fact here.

675
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

676
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, as part of her sentencing, where she did plead

677
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>guilty to conspiracy, Tanya received three year probation, a one

678
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars fine, and was mandated to perform a

679
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>five hundred hours of community service. She also agreed to

680
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>reimburse Molnut County ten thousand dollars in legal fees, undergo

681
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>way psychiatric evaluation, and contribute fifty thousand dollars to the

682
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Special Special Olympics Oregon charity. Had she not agreed to

683
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the plea deal, Oregon sentencing guidelines stipulated a maximum penalty

684
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of five years imprisonment.

685
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, well, yeah, I feel like she got off

686
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty easy there.

687
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean she had to pay some hefty fines,

688
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, she served like no time five hundred hours. Yeah,

689
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>and i mean with her sponsorship deals and stuff, I'm

690
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure that's.

691
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Like pennies were possibly yep.

692
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Now. Furthermore, tanya plea bargain resulted in her resignation from

693
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the US Figure Skating Association, necessitating a withdrawal from the

694
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four World Championships, for which she was scheduled

695
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to depart on March seventeenth.

696
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>See, that's the biggest of punishment. She has to let

697
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>go of her dream.

698
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So to sum up everything here for you, because

699
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, things kind of got a bit confusing. It's

700
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>quite a messy story, especially with all the names back

701
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>and forth and he said, she SAIDs and all that

702
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. To break it down for you. The

703
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 1>assault on Nancy Kerrigan was orchestrated by Jeff Gilluli, the

704
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>ex husband of Tanya Harding, along with his accomplice Shawn Eckert.

705
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>They enlisted the service of Shane stant and his uncle

706
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Derek Smith to execute the attack. Both Jeff and Sewn

707
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 1>alleged Tanya's involvement in the planning and premeditation of the assault. Initially,

708
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Tanya denied any association with the attack, but eventually she

709
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>entered the plea agreement conceding her involvement to concealing the

710
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>attack after it occurred. Makes sense, Okay, there is a

711
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>bit of a follow up to this though, Okay, what

712
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>is it? On March twenty first, nineteen ninety four, so

713
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it's only a few months later, the Portland Grand Jury

714
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 1>issued a statement that shook the skating world. The culmination

715
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of over two months of relentless inquiry and testimony for

716
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the likes of Diane Rawlingson, which was Tanya's choreographer, Erica Bracus,

717
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 1>who was a freelance figure skating writer, Verremano, and Shawn

718
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Eckert Sorry, Sir Shawn Eckert's college instructor in class my bad.

719
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 1>The indictment accused Tanya to fraudulently use United States figure

720
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>skating monies to pay for the attack. It also said

721
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 1>that Tanya, Jeff, Sean, Derek, and Shane quote knowingly caused

722
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>physical injury by means of a dangerous weapon. The grand

723
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 1>jury claimed evidence that showed Tanya Harding was quote involved

724
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning or very close. However, due to

725
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>her previous plea deal, she could no longer be charged.

726
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I knew that was going to come back to haunt us.

727
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I know it.

728
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>That's fucked. I think new evidence should consult a new trial.

729
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, for sure, there is.

730
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 1>A silver lining here. So she withdrew from the one

731
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>competition right On June twenty ninth, the United States Figure

732
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Skating Association Disciplinary Panel met over the course of nine

733
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 1>hours within the span of two days, evaluating her role

734
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>on the attack on Nancy Kerrigan On June thirtieth, Chairman

735
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 1>William Hibbel stated, quote, by a predoonderance of evidence, the

736
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 1>panel did conclude that she had prior knowledge and was

737
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>involved prior to the incident. This is based on civil standards,

738
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>not criminal standards. Bank records, phone records, the way they

739
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>came together to establish the case. The panel decided that

740
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the FBI reports, court documents, and the plague deal that

741
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>she entered quote were a clear disregard for fairness, good sportsmanship,

742
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 1>and ethical behavior. As a result, Tanya Harding was stripped

743
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 1>from her nineteen ninety four US Championship title and banned

744
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 1>for life from participating in any United States Figure Skating

745
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Association events, either as a skater or a coach.

746
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, there just shows you. Hey, yep, she I

747
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like played her cards really well.

748
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

749
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 2>To get out off like, oh this is it's frustrating

750
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to listen to this.

751
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh it really is. Yeah, I do want to end

752
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>this on one final note. In twenty eighteen, Tanya shared

753
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 1>a bit more about the attack. She mentioned knowing beforehand

754
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>about Jeff and Sean talking about quote taking out one

755
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 1>of her competitors in late nineteen ninety three. She stated

756
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 1>she objected, saying she wanted to win fairly and question

757
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>them about their conversation. This is a straight admittance directly

758
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>from her, not evidence showing. It's an admittance that she

759
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>had prior knowledge of the assault at.

760
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>The very least, that she's a liar.

761
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, let's go back to when you talked about that

762
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>bet she had prior knowledge. Now her husband is saying, hey,

763
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the address? I bet you you can't remember it?

764
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Shit, yeah, you think you have?

765
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Red flag would pop up there.

766
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, because that she knows, like this is one

767
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of my biggest competitors. She you don't forget a conversation

768
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>like that, right, Oh my gosh, Okay, I mean I

769
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 2>feel like she got off so easy here. But then

770
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 2>also the whole band from doing something that she was

771
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously so passionate love so much.

772
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Would be like a slap in the face.

773
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like almost you know, as bad as going to prison,

774
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>probably because like she has to't figure out well no, no, no,

775
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I take that back, not almost as bad, but like

776
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.559
<v Speaker 2>pretty shitty. You have to you have to think your

777
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>whole life.

778
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 1>But she dropped out a high school. She has no

779
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>education because of figure skins. Shit, so now she can't

780
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 1>figure skate now what? But that also being sad, I mean,

781
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>no matter. She did enter some other sports later on

782
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in her life, like I think she went into boxing

783
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.199
<v Speaker 1>in like the previous ten years or something like that.

784
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But endorsements and sponsorships, I bet you anything. And I

785
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 1>did read that they were very hard to come by

786
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 1>her for anything she was doing, because no one wanted

787
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>to work with her on anything. Well.

788
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and didn't she write a book though?

789
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, she had a book that was written by another

790
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 1>author based on records and preapproved by her.

791
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I mean there might be other books, probably

792
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 2>not like super Struggling.

793
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 3>For money though, Oh I don't think she is.

794
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, she probably had a couple of million in

795
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the bank when this all happened. And if she was smart,

796
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.400
<v Speaker 1>she's probably just sitting there laughing on a beach right

797
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 1>now somewhere anyways.

798
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

799
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah huh. Now As for Nancy, though, after the Olympics,

800
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 1>she participated in several competitions ongoing okay, also in other

801
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 1>competitions like ice Wars, but mainly concentrated on performing in

802
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>various ice shows These included Champions on Ice, Broadway on Ice,

803
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>and an ice show version of the musical Footloose, among others.

804
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I think she actually even was on Dancing with the Stars.

805
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Cool.

806
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and three, she would take on the

807
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>role of a national spokeswoman for Fighting for Sight, which

808
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 1>and continuing to be an all around I mean badass.

809
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, no kidding.

810
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So she continued being an athlete regardless of the situation,

811
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 1>regardless of what sort of avenue she went in, whether

812
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.400
<v Speaker 1>it was an Olympic athlete or these other like ice

813
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Wars and all these other things. Broadway on Ice, for example,

814
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>she's both an Olympic competitor and a Broadway star. Are

815
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 1>you fucking kidding me?

816
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

817
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Badass?

818
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean she's obviously amazing.

819
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding. So she is doing very well. And

820
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I did also watch an interview where she never actually

821
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>really received an apology from Tanya. Yeah.

822
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that doesn't even really surprise me, to

823
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 2>be honest.

824
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that's the story of Nancy Kerrigan and the

825
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Olympic assault. I don't even know what I'm going to

826
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 1>title this yet, because how do you put all this

827
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.320
<v Speaker 1>into a title?

828
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, I don't even know. I would just maybe

829
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>title it her name.

830
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, maybe it'll just be you know what I'm

831
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:27.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, Nancy Kerrigan, Olympic competitor, Olympic athletes. Yeah, something

832
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Olympian because that's what she is. I mean, she competed

833
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 1>seven weeks after.

834
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Which is incredible. I feel like figure skating used to

835
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 2>be a lot more popular. I feel like or maybe

836
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just feel like or this event

837
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe made it more known.

838
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this is all pre social media too, right,

839
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 1>so it was like when the Olympics were happening, was

840
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 1>like everyone was watching.

841
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.119
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, I know.

842
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Growing up, like my mom was quite into watching the Olympics,

843
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.599
<v Speaker 1>figure skating was one of those things. She was a

844
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 1>big fan of Elvis Stoiko. I remember back in the day,

845
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 1>and I remember seeing some He was retired by the

846
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<v Speaker 1>time I remember, but I do remember Kurt Browning and

847
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<v Speaker 1>his back flips.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez. Well, like yeah, there was just like some

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<v Speaker 2>really incredible I get athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, the figure skating was an extremely competitive division,

851
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it still is today. It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>as like prominent in mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe, but I mean also I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of drama back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, Yeah, like an assault of someone.

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<v Speaker 2>That made it very much some more in the foreground, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's without a doubt that Tanya was involved

858
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<v Speaker 1>prior to there is evidence of it. There's things like

859
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<v Speaker 1>phone records that were found and pulled, there's red and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She admitted it and she did not serve the time

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<v Speaker 1>because of her fucking plea deal. That I honestly feel

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<v Speaker 1>if new evidence comes out, a new trial should be warranted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I agree, because yeah, when she got that

864
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<v Speaker 2>plea deal, she was probably just like dancing a way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yes, and I do know that, like I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard in other cases I've researched this before, where they've

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<v Speaker 1>gone into another trial, a new trial, and they can't

868
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<v Speaker 1>reuse evidence from the first one. They have to have

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<v Speaker 1>new evidence. So I would think that new evidence should

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<v Speaker 1>warrant that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, if you're in jail for a crime that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't commit and you get evidence, you get a retrial.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're out of jail and there's new evidence

875
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<v Speaker 1>that you did, it's the exact opposite. There should be

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<v Speaker 1>a retrial. To me, that makes sense, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, gosh, what's she like assaulting? Being

878
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<v Speaker 2>part of an assault like that? Is you should it

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<v Speaker 2>be paying some time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's skeezy, skeezy as fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was like, ski easy, what do you mean

882
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, not ski? Sound was like, is she skiing?

883
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>No? Ski, She's not a skier.

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<v Speaker 2>She's skeezy, skeezy, yes, slimy, yeah, no kidding douche canoe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she is someone you wouldn't want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stay a little bit away from.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if she's holding a baton or someone she knows

889
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<v Speaker 1>is holding a baton.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if or if someone she knows is doing better

891
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 2>than her. Yes, right, yes, the real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't compete with Tanya Harding. She'll take you out at

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<v Speaker 1>the knees.

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00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, clearly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's been on my list for a while. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed this one. It's it's a story and

898
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<v Speaker 1>a half. This you can go you can go down

899
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<v Speaker 1>a very big rabbit hole with this story.

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00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a difficult one to research because all the

902
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>little nuances that like I said that, he said, she said,

903
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and all this sort of stuff there was we mostly

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<v Speaker 1>just went over Jeff's testimony. There are other testimonies, but

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00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Jeff's is the most prominent one that really spills the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one that went through the plea deal, so

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<v Speaker 1>the others basically just corroborated his story. But there is

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00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 1>still some other information to go through, and the later

909
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence as well that they kind of came through that said, hey,

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00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.679
<v Speaker 1>she actually did have prior knowledge things like that.

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00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, man, I mean, this story is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been a lot more terrible if Nancy

913
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't so freaking amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, God, she's a badass.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, Yeah, big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we hopefully hope you hopefully hopefully, we hopefully is

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<v Speaker 1>what I said, But I was trying to say, we

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed this episode. If you want to find

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<v Speaker 1>any of our socials, any of our links, watch this

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<v Speaker 1>on a video form where my hands are flashing back

921
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<v Speaker 1>and forth of the camera and I'm still drinking my

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<v Speaker 1>beer because it's hard to do a podcast and drink

923
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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. It's still cold. But the link

924
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.519
<v Speaker 1>for the YouTube video isn't the description of this podcast? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the all the links are below, you know, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of them are down there. Everything about us website, Patreon, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

927
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.159
<v Speaker 1>it's all there. We haven't actually said this for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>We would actually like to request, if you guys like

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<v Speaker 1>the show, we would appreciate a rating, go ahead and

930
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>give us a rating. Whatever you feel is appropriate and honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget all that, just give us a five start.

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<v Speaker 2>It really helps the show, really nice, It does really help.

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<v Speaker 1>It does help Boosa's show. So we really appreciate everyone

934
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>who has rated us, and if you're gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and give us one, thank you so much, and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for being here. To the very end all we're

937
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<v Speaker 1>still rambling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, that's our thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, good job

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, and until next time, stay wicked.
