WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.319 I'm very pleased that this live stream has been such 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:07.040 a success. I figured it would be. I think I 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:09.919 got reasonably good instincts for what kinda content is gonna 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:14.119 pop and what our cadre is gonna enjoy and find worthwhile, 5 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:20.199 you know, and plus a major catalyst with you people's 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:24.879 asking me to, you know, do a live stream. But nonetheless, 7 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:31.359 I'm very humble in Stokes that week after week people 8 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:32.719 show up to participate. 9 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:35.520 We're still waiting on Pete. 10 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.200 So let's all make fun of him and talk shit 11 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.000 about what a jibbroni he is for not being here. 12 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.320 I'm just kidding. Let's not do that. 13 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.119 We will Pete a great debt of honor, and he's 14 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:51.399 a dear friend, both him and Burden. I will not 15 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.960 allow them to be slighted or insulted by lesser men, 16 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:02.759 because I owe both of them. I pay a fair 17 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.079 amount of attention to British politics, not just because I've 18 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.760 always had a biting interest in Ulster and things, and 19 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:18.439 also England and Scotland, oh on my own racial heritage, 20 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:24.879 but my dad wrote his dissertation on British Party politics 21 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:31.799 and specifically how it impacted Cold War policy and things. 22 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.120 You know, he became something of an expert. They were 23 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:40.200 in and my folks lived there for a long time. Pet, Yo, what's. 24 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.400 Up a bunch of the stuff. 25 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.519 I'm not going to name names, but they they were 26 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.640 calling you with Jabroni and saying really out of pocket things. 27 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.560 I think that was actually you, because when you use 28 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.959 that word and chat so many times. 29 00:01:58.599 --> 00:01:59.879 Yeah, no, they was. 30 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.640 I think I mean the chief Jabe Broni Carl isn't here. 31 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.519 It would be nice if if Jae Browni Carl was here. 32 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.560 He's got a new Uh he's got a new job, 33 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:12.800 like Carla to get a new job because they took 34 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:18.520 his job. But uh he uh doge took his job? 35 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.479 Oh what was that? 36 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:21.719 Was took my job? 37 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.840 But uh in any event, Uh, he's actually got us. 38 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.120 Actually got a semi legit excuse for not being able 39 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.919 to participate. I was gonna, I'm I'm recording mind phaser 40 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.879 content before I leave for Virginia. I was gonna do 41 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:42.000 it today with our homie Andy. But then I realized 42 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.439 I always fucked this up because of the time change 43 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.159 on the West Coast. I realized that conflicted with our 44 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.360 live stream. So I fell like an idiot. But so 45 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:54.479 we're gonna do it tomorrow. But you know, he uh, 46 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:01.199 I still intend to start doing either a bi weekly 47 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:06.120 or once monthly pod with both of them guys, or 48 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.919 or a stream with a discreet focus on genuine popular 49 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.319 culture stuff, you know, because that's especially Andy's very much 50 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.719 sort of in the midst of that, and that's important 51 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.360 to partisan activity. 52 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:22.080 You know. 53 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.599 It was a big Sam Francis point, but also even 54 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:28.280 guys a lot more radical in Sam Francis, that's what 55 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.680 they were up on, you know. And Ian Stewart was 56 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.000 a craftier guy than people credited him. I mean, I 57 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.319 like rock and roll, and I like rockins Communism, and 58 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:40.199 I you all got high school, there was one shop 59 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.479 where you could buy like Rockins Communism records, and you 60 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:48.680 know they'd have screwdriver tapes and anyp's and stuff. But 61 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:50.599 at point being, I always liked the installed and all 62 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.800 of that. But even if you're not into his jams, 63 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.879 you know he was. He was craftier than people think, man, 64 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:00.800 and that was his whole point point is like, look, 65 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.840 you know, youth has to quit system culture and we 66 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:07.599 got to build our own thing. 67 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:08.639 And there's a reason why. 68 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.159 There's a reason why system culture is always trying to 69 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:18.240 imitate the street, you know, because it's a counterfeit iteration 70 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.519 of something that is, you know, both a rallying point 71 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:31.240 and a a sociological mechanism of building, of Cadri building. 72 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:39.160 But before you joined us, and thanks, thanks again for 73 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.920 doing this with me, of course, I was talking about 74 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.519 the United Kingdom, you know, and like my folks lived 75 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.720 there for a lot of years, you know, and my 76 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.360 mom fit in there very well. Like my dad always 77 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.480 made the point, like my dad always had like respect 78 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.079 for the English, but he also like looked at him 79 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.439 as kind of like silly feminine motherfuckers. I can tell 80 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.560 us by the way he talks, because uh, you know, uh, 81 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:07.279 my dad's like an okie from the Los Angeles street 82 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:09.720 at base, no matter how how a polished he is. 83 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.439 But like my mom fit in with like society, Scottish 84 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.920 and English ladies. She was like a big hit with them. 85 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.639 But you know, and my my folks were there like 86 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:25.319 right when the troubles kicked off and stuff. So I 87 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:27.879 grow in a very like Anglophone quote of the household. 88 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.360 What any event, you know, Like my dad's pH d 89 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.959 thesis was on parliamentary politics and Britain, particularly how it 90 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:38.399 impacted the Cold War situation of stuff. 91 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:38.680 You know. 92 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.800 So I've always had an interest in the UK, and 93 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.560 I mean to this day, and I was surprised how 94 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:48.959 the media was actually being pretty softball about about King Charles. 95 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.759 That motherfucker's got mony python character. He's just complete goof 96 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:54.839 and like they used to really like riff on him 97 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.560 for being like a jag off, but now they're acting 98 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:02.040 like he's uh now they're acting like some great statesman 99 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.720 or something, or I mean and in America too, Like 100 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:10.279 I I don't understand it, man, because uh, I actually 101 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.680 heard a couple of the girls at the Landmark and 102 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.720 he was like, I mean they're women, They're like, they're 103 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.399 not girls, but I mean I'm old so but these 104 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:19.759 are ladies like in their late twenties and early thirties, 105 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.519 and they were like talking about the royals in King 106 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:24.759 Charles like that was just like blue haired old women 107 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.199 were into that. But I mean, I guess it's you know, 108 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:28.759 like like females get into that. 109 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:29.199 I'm not. 110 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.680 Was your dad's book Liberal Politics and England. 111 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.240 Briton, Yeah, it's one of them, but that was that 112 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:39.839 was that was his thesis that got turned into a book, 113 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:46.959 and he he identified as schismatic tendency within the within 114 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.040 the Tory Party, and he basically predicted Thatcherism because he 115 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.040 said that, you know, increasing that's the cold as the 116 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.360 tot ended. I mean he was writing like years before 117 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.879 his has happened. But I guess they ended there's gonna 118 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.800 be a right word shift and terms of cold war 119 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.959 hawks within the party. And then he said that, you know, 120 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.959 the Liberal Party is going to become a spoiler element. 121 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.199 You know, it's interesting like somebody came to pass. Some 122 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.839 of it didn't, but the overall trend was something identified. 123 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.000 But I was on this tip lately because I uh, 124 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.120 you know the one Threads it was it was like 125 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:25.920 the UK counterpart to the Day After, except it came 126 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:27.720 out before. I think it came out in eighty four. 127 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:29.480 The day after it came out in eighty five. You 128 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.160 ever seen Threads. I don't think it's a pretty horrific movie. 129 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.079 What it's about is it's about a nuclear war between 130 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.439 NATO and Warsaw Pacts Circle nineteen eight, you know able 131 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.600 Archer era, and the focus is on this city at Sheffield, 132 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.639 and I think something like eighty megatons fall in the UK. 133 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.639 So the UK is just obliterated, you know, I mean, 134 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.560 unlike I make the point in my book that there 135 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.639 was always a gross dishonesty in the public conversation about 136 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.399 nuclear war in this country, Like mutually sure destruction is nonsense. 137 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:09.160 And this idea that you know, there's no victory condition 138 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.399 in nuclear war is nonsense. The whole Carl Sagan paradigm 139 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.920 is nonsense. However, the UK could not have survived a 140 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:25.480 nuclear war. They just couldn't. So threads. Obviously things are 141 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:30.639 more critical than and you know, the UK played a 142 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.559 strategically really significant role in the Cold War, like I 143 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.279 think we talked about the last week, you know, the 144 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:40.080 Greenland Iceland UK Gap, a song about this with Raging Mandrel. 145 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:47.240 You know, the basically for Soviet for Soviet SLBM platforms 146 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.600 to break out into the open ocean, they had to 147 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:54.440 shoot the Greenland Greenland, Iceland UK gap otherwise they boxed 148 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.879 then and those subs had to be able to reach 149 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.720 striking range of the Connell. The Uited States, like Typhoon 150 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.919 class subs could have just you know, they could have 151 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.840 sat under the ice in Antarctica and they could have 152 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.679 shot their payload and hit conne the United States. But 153 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:19.399 for a true to truly wreck the continent, they need 154 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.080 to be able to break out in the open ocean. 155 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.480 And plus they also have to knock out obviously enemy platforms. 156 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:30.919 So an event of a general nuclear war, if your 157 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.039 warsaw pack, you're gonna want to knock out the United 158 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:36.159 Kingdom immediately. And the best way to do that is 159 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:41.360 the like shoves as twenties up their ass and until everybody, 160 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:48.320 you know, just to be sure. And Powell made that point. 161 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.519 Powell was wrong on some things, he was right on 162 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.639 a lot of other things. And I got big respect 163 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:57.360 for him because he was he was the only real 164 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:03.480 champion that the people have all stirhead you know in 165 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.159 in Downing Street with with access to Downing Street. Rather 166 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:13.399 you know, I'm not talking about one off, uh you know, 167 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.799 polemicist and and real where I was just like Paisley 168 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.240 who could insane with their way into coalition governments and 169 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:24.879 and and the squeeze concessions out. 170 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:25.799 I mean, he he was. 171 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.919 He was a guy who actually a clout, you know 172 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.919 with the City of London and stuff. But uh, you know, 173 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.360 he made the point that you know, the the UK 174 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:41.600 basically is uh is acting as is acting as a 175 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.720 suicide pawn in in the Cold War. And you know, 176 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.559 the nuclear the nuclear deterrent of the UK was a 177 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.799 deterrent to name only because it's it's it's not as 178 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.120 if there was anything approaching parody of the Warsaw Pact. 179 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.120 But also you know, it's why why are we gonna 180 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.360 die for? Why why are we gonna kill off our 181 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:04.759 race for the sake of you know, the the United 182 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.080 States seeking out of victory and evented general warfare. I 183 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:13.080 think it was right, of course, but it uh, the 184 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.080 so this was a big deal, and like the UK 185 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.000 disarmament movement was in fact deeply funded by Warsaw Pact. 186 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:21.759 Like I'm not saying that. I mean, these people were 187 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.480 kind of pieced like lefties, but I think a lot 188 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.559 of them their heart was in the right place. They 189 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.039 weren't like, they weren't like shit bag race trader wokies 190 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.000 or something. I mean some of them were, but some 191 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:36.639 of them weren't. But uh, you know, the the the 192 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.840 Soviets were incessantly trying to flip the political culture of 193 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:45.080 the UK, and uh, I'd say in part they did. 194 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.120 Man like the Cambridge five. Uh, it was pretty nuts, 195 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.639 you know, and there was no comparable circumstance that occurred 196 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.360 in America or the bundes Republic and the West Germans 197 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.159 who defected they had it was they hit a different sensibility, 198 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:03.360 you know. 199 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:04.279 Uh. 200 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:11.159 But uh that that book, the Fourth Protocol, I think 201 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.080 that's Frederic Forrest. I get him, I get him confused 202 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:19.440 with John McCurry. You know, Frederick Forsyth wrote The Dogs 203 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.159 of War, which is an awesome book. John McCurry wrote 204 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:28.279 a Tinker sailor, soldier spy. But the Fourth Protocol, Uh, 205 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:32.320 it's all about Kim Philby. I mean, it's all it's 206 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.240 it's it's it's a it's a cold war thriller kind 207 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:40.159 of book. And the Fourth Protocol I won't bored with 208 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:45.639 the details, but it's supposedly the secret protocol relating the 209 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.399 you know, an unwritten convention relating the nuclear war and 210 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.559 what sorts of platforms can be deployed. But uh, Kim 211 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:59.759 Philby is a is a character in the book, you know, 212 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:04.120 and it's interesting and uh one of the one aspect 213 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.840 of the book is that, uh there's this cell within 214 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:13.840 the Labor Party who are basically hardline Stalinists, and they're 215 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:18.279 they're there a client element of the Kremlin, you know, 216 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.320 and uh, there's this one guy they're grooming for to 217 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.120 be prime minister, you know. And the idea is that ultimately, uh, ultimately, 218 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.720 you know, the UK can be flipped as a communist country. 219 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.840 And I think meanwhile too, the same element there. Uh, 220 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.320 they've they've radicalized this this uh, this schismatic faction of 221 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.840 the pro provisional IRA who are still hardline Marxist Leninists, 222 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.120 and they're plotting like mass terror attacks in London as 223 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.039 attention strategy. It's it's actually kind of an interesting book 224 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:58.720 back when that whole genre was popular by fail anything writers. 225 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.399 Like now it's just like now, let's say, it's just 226 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.440 like faggot like monkey faced idiots like like Pete hegg 227 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.679 sets and butt buddies with names like how it's r 228 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:13.720 Thor and it's like, you know, it's like, you know, 229 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.919 Captain America has to stop the New Holocaust because it's 230 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:22.480 Lomo Fishes are a breeding Nazi super soldiers to exterminate 231 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.919 every Jewish person and make butt plugs illegal, you know, 232 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.559 and and then like if that happens, uh, they'll also 233 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.440 going to like release like a strain of super age 234 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.480 that will like kill Pete hagg Seth and everyone. 235 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:35.080 Else in the bath house. 236 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.159 But back in the day, like there's actually some cool 237 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.159 techno thrillers. And I stayed by Tom Klancy actually being 238 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.120 a good dude. Like he wrote some dumb shit, but 239 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.840 he wrote some really good stuff too, Like Red Storm 240 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:49.639 Rising is fucking awesome. I've brought October is awesome. The 241 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.519 Cardinal the Kremlin is pretty interesting. And also, you know, 242 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:55.919 he died fairly young. He's like one of those dudes. 243 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.840 I'm not being flippant, but he's one of those guys 244 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:00.440 you get basically his help a looking at him. He 245 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.240 at any moment, he's gonna dive a heart attack. 246 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:03.080 You know. 247 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.840 He was like, he's like a slightly overweight guy who 248 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:08.679 like spent a lot of time in office cheer and 249 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.240 like was really into esoteric navel trivia. It's like that 250 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.960 guy's gonna dive a heart attack. Yeah, the exception of 251 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.639 that rule was John Madden, but John Madden was like immortal. 252 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:23.600 But in any event, you know Clancy uh after uh 253 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:29.519 September eleventh, they were trying to corral him as as 254 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.960 a one of their medium mouthpieces, like they did Giuliani. 255 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.600 You know, that's back when people liked Giuliani. Like now 256 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.480 summer reason everybody hates him. Like I never really liked Giuliani, 257 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.679 but I don't understand why liked. People literally hate his ass. 258 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.279 But uh, they're trying to coach. He's like a greasy 259 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.759 Diego vampire. Yeah, he's not aged well and uh he's 260 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.480 I always thought he was a creepy guy. And his 261 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:57.840 father actually was you know he's now he's a Sicilian Albanian, 262 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.000 so he's like he's like two layers of fucking shit 263 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.360 eight ball, But his dad was you know, his dad 264 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.240 was a was a mafia associate who did dirt in 265 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.159 the street, which is one reason why Giuliani became like 266 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.799 mister super cop as a state's attorney. I mean, the 267 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.399 Gambino family and they're still running ship. You know, he 268 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.240 had a contract on him. Like the guy is not 269 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.799 a pussy. I mean he you know that wasn't a joke. 270 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.720 Remember when we were kids and and Mario Cuomo was 271 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.279 governor in New York and they interviewed him and he 272 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:30.879 said the mafia doesn't exist. 273 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:31.919 That's hilarious. 274 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:37.120 Yeah, like what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's 275 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:38.519 all there too? Like me, that was like in the 276 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:43.080 days too, like when a when a when mob guys 277 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.000 were like more Seveille than heads of state, you know, 278 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.879 and it's like, look man, that that went out with 279 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.120 that went out with Joe Volacci. But uh no, but uh, 280 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.360 they were trying to poach Tom Clancy to you know, 281 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.000 be some cheerleader for the for the war effort. He 282 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.600 wouldn't do it, you know, And so he became personed 283 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.680 on Grada because he's like this is a terrible He's 284 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.240 like that this distriggity frame or makes no sense. This 285 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.400 is a terrible idea. Nine to eleven was entirely predictable. 286 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.960 And uh, why why are you invading Afghanistan? Why does 287 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.680 that mean we should invade Florida to because they provided 288 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:22.039 aid and comfort the tear. I mean, you know, so 289 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:27.359 he he did the right thing. And I maintain Red 290 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:33.519 Storm Rising, uh the way that that the setup, I 291 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.440 I thought it was too techno thriller ish I because 292 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.799 you know, in Red Storm Rising there's these moonshot bean. 293 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:47.319 Uh they blow up, Uh they they blow up this 294 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:54.720 pipeline in Kazakhstan and that that spends the Soviet economy, 295 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.200 which is you know, teetering on the brink of collapse anyway, 296 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:06.440 into into a genuine crisis. And this guy who's obviously 297 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.200 supposed to be a standard for Ustinov, he basically puts 298 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:15.119 it to the pullet throw that look like we an 299 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.119 event of war. You know, we we can't sustain in 300 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:23.359 operational capability, you know, long enough to to reach the Atlantic, 301 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.119 let alone the Rhine. You know, we we've got to 302 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.960 strike now. Basically, so their big plan is to stage 303 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.920 they stage another terrorist attack, which was the false flag, 304 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:41.079 where they plant a bomb in the supreme Soviet I think, 305 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.079 and and blow up a bunch of their own people, 306 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.799 which is actually some of the Russians might might do. 307 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:49.440 But then. 308 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:56.000 You know, they uh, they used it the catalyst for 309 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.160 a general push in the Middle East, you know, and 310 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:06.960 replenish their strategic oil reserves, you know, and then assault 311 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:12.079 across the inner German border, you know, and the war 312 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.960 doesn't go nuclear because cooler edge prevail. But there's a 313 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.720 the interplay of the weapons systems which were then cutting edge, 314 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:25.559 you know, circing eighty five. It's well written, an interesting 315 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.039 A couple years before that this guy damned Hackett. I 316 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:36.359 think it's Sir Edward Hackett. I think he was this 317 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.559 UK general and he wrote a book called the Third 318 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.319 World War. But he wrote it in such a way 319 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.720 that I can't remember that. This is a literary device 320 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.880 that I can't remember the term for it. But it's 321 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.480 written as if it's a real event that's happening. So 322 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.960 it's like news dispatches and things like that you can 323 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.319 develop like a conceptual picture. And like after ACTRA reports 324 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.680 of NATO fighting, warsaw packed and then there was a 325 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.960 follow up called World it was just called World War three, 326 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.480 and then it was World War three the Untold story, 327 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.599 which is sort of like this addendum where at you know, 328 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:16.240 like company a battalion level, there's a British and West 329 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.759 German and American, uh, you know, like infantry and armored 330 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.119 commanders like were lang was happening. I thought it was 331 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.960 cool when I was a kid. It was interesting because 332 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.240 the British Army in those days produced a lot of 333 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:37.359 a lot of real serious military thinkers. You know they 334 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.759 hearge Frank Kitson admirer. Like I'm not saying Kitsten is 335 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.440 like a good man. You should like him, and I 336 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.720 know that our Irish friends, I'm gonna think I'm I'm 337 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:48.839 trying to be inflammatory. 338 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:49.960 I'm not at all. Kits and. 339 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:57.400 Kitson understood asymmetrical and counter surtaerty warfare and in a 340 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:01.880 way that I don't think any I don't know there's 341 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.599 any us chiropart tool, so maybe Hackworth, but even that's 342 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:14.480 imperfect of comparison. But yeah, I uh, I uh, I 343 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.480 maintain that clients. 344 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.480 He was one of the one of the good guys. 345 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.119 There's something I lost, a thought that I had, I 346 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.079 wanted to raise something I hate fucking hate it when 347 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:26.680 it happens. 348 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:34.599 I uh oh the yeah, the the case on episode 349 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:35.559 seems to be popping. Man. 350 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:37.119 People haven't given me a lot of props on it. 351 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.200 It's good, excellent, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm sorry that 352 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.720 I'm so. I'm better better today. I might have been 353 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:48.279 better the last couple of days, but I I was 354 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.359 still fighting some fatigue, man, So forgive me for not 355 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.880 going for a full hour. But yeah, we'll do we'll 356 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:59.799 do a follow up when we when we record again, 357 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:04.799 and we'll get into some of the Yeah. And that's uh, 358 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:07.519 that's important too, because like I said, I mean, I 359 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.400 and I include this in a in my book. Uh, 360 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:14.960 there's a whole discussion of case on there's a discussion 361 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.720 of me life for you know, wait, which is important. 362 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.640 It's it's for a lot of reasons because that does 363 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.480 that that was a matter of tactical doctor and it 364 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:32.160 wasn't this anomalous war crime. I I'm not I'm not 365 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.039 making some like like liberal human rights argument. I mean 366 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:37.880 I think it was. I think free fires munch are 367 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:43.319 fucked up, like, don't get me wrong, But what happened 368 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:48.039 Melife four was very much above board until the concrete 369 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.039 particulars were relayed that uh, you know, what was actually 370 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.160 underway in free fire zones was. 371 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.119 The targeting of of of everybody. 372 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.359 Well, I mean, it's kind of hard to believe that 373 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.480 people back home didn't know what was going on, considering 374 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:10.480 they were posting death counts, like you know, enemy death 375 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:12.079 counts since nineteen sixty five. 376 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.480 Well, I think the reasoning of people was and despite 377 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.279 the fact that there's I mean, don't get me wrong, 378 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.839 there was a fifth column in US media that was 379 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.839 sabotaging the war effort, but there wasn't. But there weren't 380 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.440 elements embedded with the infantry, you know, in pink fill 381 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.519 or something. So when the army through stars and stripes 382 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.279 and the after action reports said that, you know, we 383 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:41.480 assaulted Meli four, you know, and we killed foreigner VIDIA hostiles, 384 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.799 the presumption is those their military age males, and that 385 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:49.079 they were actively under arms. Like people didn't understand that. Okay, 386 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.920 everybody who was friendly was evacuated. They were told you 387 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.400 aren't being evacuated. If you remain, you are considered a 388 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:01.680 categorical enemy. And the people refused. We relocated strategic hamlets, 389 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:06.359 whether by coercion or whether owing to partisan commitment. They 390 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:10.960 were providing aid and comfort to the VC, so they 391 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:15.319 were fair targets for destruction. And everybody who understood that. 392 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.880 And what was asinine is, you know, Lieutenant Kelly, literally 393 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:24.039 this twenty three year old guy, you know, who was 394 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.079 sort of out of his element in a command role. 395 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.559 So you're telling me that this twenty three year old 396 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:33.480 platoon leader he went berserk, decided all on his own 397 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:40.039 to massacre hundreds of people just because he was mad, 398 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.359 and that you know these season NCOs, who has anyone 399 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.559 who's been in the service in a combat infantry platoon. 400 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.759 I'll tell you like the real authority on platoon. His 401 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:55.359