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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it

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<v Speaker 1>five star and greatest on Yesterday listening watching Limb always

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<v Speaker 1>keep its watching. And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and

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<v Speaker 1>James Bubo Fay, Hey Bubo. How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? How's it going to Cliff?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good? This is gonna be a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really exciting podcast today because our guest

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<v Speaker 1>today is Adam Thorne. Adam Thorne is a legit biologist,

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<v Speaker 1>a totally legit biologist. He has a TV show on

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<v Speaker 1>History Channel. I think the Two Seasons is out or

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<v Speaker 1>two Seasons are out right now. King of Pain is

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<v Speaker 1>what it's called. And what a crazy concept for this.

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<v Speaker 1>And they basically get stung and bit by horrible things

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<v Speaker 1>and they say, now there's the there's like a pain scaled.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know this?

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<v Speaker 3>Bobo? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And they try to see, like does it match up

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<v Speaker 1>to the pain scale. It's like, well, like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I should ask Adam about all that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, but it seems like I don't know. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be more interested in doing a TV show, like does

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<v Speaker 1>it match up to the pleasure scale? So yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is fantastic, you know. But yeah, Adam Thorne,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for spending some time with Bobo

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<v Speaker 1>and I on Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Adam, hey mate, how you going. I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 2>be on it here because I actually listened to the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast all the time and I've had I've had the

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<v Speaker 2>introest on to Bigfoot and Beyond in my head for days.

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<v Speaker 2>It always gets stuck in my head. It's so catchy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like the you're like the scientist like version of Jackass.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like huh yeah, apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know that's a good that's a fun TV show,

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<v Speaker 1>uh premise and and like, well, let's first, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with your your qualifications. You are a legit biologist, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a working biologists. I was looking at your website and

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<v Speaker 1>you do consultations and you do survey wildlife surveys, you

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<v Speaker 1>do all sorts of stuff. So tell us little b

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<v Speaker 1>about your biological background if you would.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a degree in wildlife biology, a diploma

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<v Speaker 2>in primatology, and a few qualifications from regarding primatology from

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<v Speaker 2>like Kyota University and Duke University as well. Basically, I've

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<v Speaker 2>done environmental consultations, so fauna surveying, and also what I

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<v Speaker 2>do in Perth is fauna relocation. So when they're bulldozing

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<v Speaker 2>save for example, a bushland area to build houses, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>go out trap the animals and relocate them to a

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<v Speaker 2>safer area, but also do consultations. And around Perth we

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of these black cockatoos which are endangered species

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<v Speaker 2>of birds, so I'll do nesting stuff with them, go

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<v Speaker 2>out into the desert in the pilbri and Western Australia

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<v Speaker 2>and done tagging quolls things like that, and now kings

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<v Speaker 2>are where I get bitten and stung by stuff. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's an interesting job.

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<v Speaker 1>No, whose idea was that TV show?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't mine. I've done wildlife documentaries and stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, and then like production company reached out to

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<v Speaker 2>me and said, I've got an idea for a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you fly out to LA. So I flew out

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<v Speaker 2>to LA and they told me the premise of the

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<v Speaker 2>show and I was like, oh, okay. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a wildlife show, like a sort of more

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<v Speaker 2>traditional wildlife show. But then I figured, well, I get

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<v Speaker 2>bitten and stung by animals all the time anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>may as well do it for TV and create a

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<v Speaker 2>pain index around that, and you know, entertained people and

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<v Speaker 2>people laugh their asses off.

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<v Speaker 3>Hum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you decided to do this? Did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Your your your partner in crime, you're your co hosts

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<v Speaker 1>there Keeveman is that what you guys call him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, caveman Robiliver and no, I didn't. So when they

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<v Speaker 2>flew me out, it was to do the chemistry test

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much see who who got along the most, and

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<v Speaker 2>Rob and I just got on like we'd known each

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<v Speaker 2>other for years and we're pretty much my best friends

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<v Speaker 2>now from it now, speed to him every day. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was really cool, like to have such a cool

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<v Speaker 2>co host that I didn't know from a bar of

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<v Speaker 2>soap when I first met him, but now it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just best mates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people know from listening, people know from listening to us.

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<v Speaker 4>We talked enlessly about how you become a family, like

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<v Speaker 4>the crew, like the camera people, the producers.

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<v Speaker 3>You get so tight you're.

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<v Speaker 4>On the road together and living together and working all

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<v Speaker 4>day and night you get you get really close to them.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to get along with the crew, especially spending

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<v Speaker 2>so much time together. If you didn't, then it'll just

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh this is the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're recically living with these people. They become family.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you've done two seasons so far of King

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<v Speaker 1>of Pin. The last one was in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, or is there are there is there any

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<v Speaker 1>talk right now of coming back or is it just

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<v Speaker 1>like hiatus until further notice? Because I did notice there

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<v Speaker 1>was a gap in time between season one and two.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well, after season one, COVID sort of hit

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<v Speaker 2>on season one, and then as far as I was

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<v Speaker 2>aware that was Kings of Pain done, it was over with.

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<v Speaker 2>And then randomly I got an email saying this was

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<v Speaker 2>like two years later, Hey, we're doing a season two.

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<v Speaker 2>What animals you want? Wow? Okay. But because COVID was

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<v Speaker 2>still a thing still happening, we couldn't travel around the

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<v Speaker 2>world for season two like we did in season one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was in LA for three months filming the

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<v Speaker 2>second season, So we brought the animals to us rather

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<v Speaker 2>than going out and catching them in the wild. It

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<v Speaker 2>was more of like an unboxing thing, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we have in store for us today? It

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<v Speaker 2>opened the box and be like, oh, it's a giant tarantler. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So of all the beasts and critters and creepy Crawley's

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<v Speaker 1>and hugly googlies and all these things that you've had

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with to let them sink their fangs or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever into you again. I mean everyone has to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, which one do you look back on and

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<v Speaker 1>say that was the most screwed up thing I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>done in my life. I never want to do that again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an idiot for thinking they would do that.

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<v Speaker 2>The sixteen foot reticulated python was a mistake. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was bad like that. I needed staple stitches like it.

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<v Speaker 2>The scar in my arm, I mean, it's an awesome scar.

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<v Speaker 2>that because it's such a gnary sky looks like I've

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<v Speaker 2>been hit by a bow propeller. But my co host

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<v Speaker 2>cave Man, when he got bit one of the teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>because particularly pythons like have about one hundred teeth that

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<v Speaker 2>are like needle sharp, and these ones were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>punctured Caveman Robs on the nerve in his arm and

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<v Speaker 2>gave him permanent nerve damage, so he can't really move

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<v Speaker 2>great circulation, so he's got permanent damage from it. And

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<v Speaker 2>from then on we're like, well, that was the after

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<v Speaker 2>season one, that was like the top of the pain

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<v Speaker 2>index because of the permanent damage and just the damage

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<v Speaker 2>in general. But we said, if we get anywhere close

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<v Speaker 2>to the reticulated python, we've made a mistake, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>then we beat the reticulated python in season two. That

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<v Speaker 2>was really Yes, that was a Mexican beaded lizard. So

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard of a helo monster, very venomous heloderm. The

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<v Speaker 2>beaded lizard is in the same genus and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the same venom as well, and it's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>only sort of group of lizards that have apart from

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<v Speaker 2>your monoitor lizards. But there still needs to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more work done on their venom. But these are

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<v Speaker 2>like as venomouses can be, and like, it was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never experienced pain like that, and it lasted days

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<v Speaker 2>and days. I was vomiting in and out of consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well worse than a bullet out.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh oh mate. The bullet ant like is actually, if

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<v Speaker 2>you go on our pain indexes is pretty low compared

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the other stuff we did. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>I would do all I would do ten bullet ants

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<v Speaker 2>for three days straight. Overdoing the Mexican beaded lizard again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We had Pat Spein on the broadcast and he was

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<v Speaker 1>describing the bullet ant ceremony that he had to go through,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said that he's never experienced anything like it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're saying that, like, well, there's way worse things

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<v Speaker 1>than that out there. I don't think Pat would would

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<v Speaker 1>like to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well. I mean, the thing is, when Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Schmidt did the bullet an, he rated at top of

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<v Speaker 2>his Justin Schmidt's pain index. He's a very well known entomologist.

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<v Speaker 2>So when people see that, they go, okay, well, that

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<v Speaker 2>must be the worst stinging in there is. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was just within the group of Harmanatra, which is like bees,

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<v Speaker 2>wasps and ants. There are like, yeah, there's so much more,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we did scorpion fish, lionfish. We did lots

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<v Speaker 2>of vertebrates, especially on season two, but we also covered

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Schmidt's pain index as well and did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the invertebrates that he did, and we found that

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<v Speaker 2>there were animals that beat like our insects that beat

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<v Speaker 2>the bullet and hands down. I mean we had well.

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<v Speaker 2>The king horrid king assassin bug was another invertebrate that

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<v Speaker 2>was I've never felt and that was the most acute

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<v Speaker 3>The horror King assassin bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, you got to see this thing. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>daf mal. The horrid King Assassin bug is found in Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like red and black. It's huge, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>got this giant proboscus that just like just causes unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>pain and then just sort of like melts your skin

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<v Speaker 2>from the in thought out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well with the name like horrid King Assassin bug, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not making stuffed animals out of those sort of things.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not that you don't think of hugs when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear that, you hear that name.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always if you know what you're in for, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's a picture of They do kind of

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<v Speaker 1>look like Darth Maul red, like orange and black and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty yeah, that's pretty nuts. So I'm looking over

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<v Speaker 1>this list, you know, I'm looking over the list of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes here. It's on Wikipedia for King of Payne and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that caught my eye. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been kind of curious about this because, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in southern California, and I was always

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<v Speaker 1>on the fishing boats, you know, fishing Catalina and Clementian,

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<v Speaker 1>those islands and stuff. I just love to saltwater fish

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things we would catch every once

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<v Speaker 1>just for my own personal, you know, interest in these animals.

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't want to. We didn't want to demonize

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<v Speaker 2>these animals at all. But the we did the peacock, mantis, shrimp,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's well, it's not a peacock, it's not a mantis,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not a shrimp either, so it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a weird name, but they are. It was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the coolest things that we added onto the pain index

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<v Speaker 2>because just everything about it, the speed in which it

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<v Speaker 2>forms cavitation bubbles like, it creates light. There is that

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<v Speaker 2>much energy and friction in the water it creates light,

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<v Speaker 2>which is insane. Well, we got to put this thing

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<v Speaker 2>on and I've seen videos of them punching through people's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, blood and stuff come out. So like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it took a while to get the thing to punch

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's in a new environment. It was

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<v Speaker 2>taken out of it It was a captive one anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we finally got it to punch, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't get a good punch in because it was

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<v Speaker 2>like sort of we're a bit too close to it

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<v Speaker 2>where it couldn't get a full reach on us. But

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<v Speaker 2>even the punch that it did get on us, I

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<v Speaker 2>it hit me so fast that I didn't register that

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<v Speaker 2>was like, that was one of the coolest things ever. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it hurt, but it was just so cool to feel something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, six or seven inches long produce a punch

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<v Speaker 2>that would be like you know, someone shooting a bbpel

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<v Speaker 2>into your finger. It was amazing. It was like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The trigeel was like that as well, whereas just you're

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute awe of an animal that can generate power

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine a couple people are out there thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>are thinking that, Okay, well you're are you harassing these

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<v Speaker 1>animals into, you know, doing something they don't want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's benefit to what you're doing, Like whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>anti venom or other other sort of sciencey sort of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were worried about that because obviously, if an

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<v Speaker 2>has to defend itself like that. So there is and

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<v Speaker 2>we try to reduce that as much as possible by

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<v Speaker 2>having multiple animals, so we're not just like because some

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<v Speaker 2>animals just will refuse to bite a sting you and

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<v Speaker 2>then you'll swap it out of another one that's ready

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<v Speaker 2>and ready to go. So like with working with any wildlife,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an element of stress to it. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we found was people instead, Like we were worried that

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<v Speaker 2>we will demonize the animals because people make people scared

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<v Speaker 2>of them. But if they get bitten and stung by

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<v Speaker 2>one of these animals, you know, a tarantula hawk or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, which there's plenty of them around the US,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of them going am I going to die? This

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<v Speaker 2>hurts so much? They can go well. I saw in

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<v Speaker 2>Kings of Pain that yes, it hurts really bad for

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes, and then other than that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>disregarding if they go into anaphylaxis from an allergic reaction

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. But apart from that, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to be pain. We've seen on Kings of Pain.

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<v Speaker 2>No need to worry because stress and panicking can kill

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people driving to the hospital speeding because

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<v Speaker 2>they think they're going to die. Like well, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>in that show Kings of Pain that yes it hurts,

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<v Speaker 2>and you think you're going to die, but you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>So it can you know, give people a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>peace of mind at least, but also give people like

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the animal and seeing what they are capable of,

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<v Speaker 2>people will give them a wide berth, you know, respect them.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Okay, well I'm not going to go, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>grabbing this thing or anything like that, because I just

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<v Speaker 2>saw what it did to these two dudes. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want anything to do with it. We're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>leave it alone. That's why the reticulated path of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't to get bitten by reticulated python. Nobody's going

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<v Speaker 2>to encounter one of them in the wild. No they won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But like there's plenty kept in captivity, but most of

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<v Speaker 2>them are super tame, but you know, the odd one

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<v Speaker 2>will bite you. No, there's no venom. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of damage. But if you do come across a

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<v Speaker 2>large python, probably best you just leave it alone. It's

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<v Speaker 2>good for the python and it's good for the person

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>you have a podcast, We should probably plug that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's called Thorn's Jungle, and it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>you have a good episode and it's worth it. But

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<v Speaker 1>on orangutans. And you're also interested in cryptozoology, which of

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia there, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about if you are aware of any yowi sightings

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<v Speaker 1>or yaowi encounters in your neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I love cryptozoology. I always have. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always been fascinated by it, and I've always been going, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not so much. And there are a few that

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<v Speaker 2>good chance that this animal does exist, and we with

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<v Speaker 2>the yowi for example, most of the sightings are sort

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<v Speaker 2>of Eastern states around like the Blue Mountains things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are actually a surprising amount of sightings in

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<v Speaker 2>West which is only about thirty forty minute drive from

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<v Speaker 2>where I am, and I was looking through the Yowi

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<v Speaker 2>website where they log the sightings, and I couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>how many sightings there were in Western Australia. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know these are people, you know, truck drivers, things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and Australians in general, most of them are they do

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<v Speaker 2>they wake up, do their jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Come home?

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<v Speaker 2>They don't really. They don't want to be known as

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that saw a yowie. So I tend to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that what they're seeing is something. They're seeing something,

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not it is a giant bipedal comminid or

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not it's it's something else, but they are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing something. So it's definitely interesting. And especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>like the thermal images I've seen with the the Yowi

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<v Speaker 2>Hunters group, some of them thermal images, I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that that is that's very that's very interesting. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do I do think there's something? Yeah, Yeah, there's something there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And especially like he said, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>report it in Western Australa because, as I know, Australians

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<v Speaker 4>are if you're in a report like that, he told

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<v Speaker 4>you your bitch down with the power of your neighbors,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that Australians are a rough and tumble

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<v Speaker 1>breed man. You guys are just heckle each other ruthlessly

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<v Speaker 1>and anybody else within earshot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's Australians, like our best mates. Like if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hanging around your mates and you didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that will mates, you will think we're worst enemies the

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<v Speaker 2>way we talk to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very very rough and tumble.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to hand out ami because we're already

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<v Speaker 3>shooting enough enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So what other cryptids undiscovered animals do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>that really grab your attention?

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<v Speaker 2>I think some of the cryptid apes are definitely interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I am fascinated with Bigfoot, always have been fascinated,

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember seeing the Patterson Gimlin film and going

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<v Speaker 2>in a suit, and then for years that's just what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought. I think that's what the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>see when they watched that. And then you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago I was like, well, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>have another look at that they'd remastered it and zoomed

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<v Speaker 2>in and I was like, the muscles are rippling, the

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<v Speaker 2>quads are flexing, there's a webbing of skin between under

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<v Speaker 2>the MP I'm like, how did two guys in the

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<v Speaker 2>Like and that completely changed my mind about well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson Gimlin film in general, but also Bigfoot, and same

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<v Speaker 2>with the Yooi's as well, Like the amount of sightings

420
00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.240
<v Speaker 2>people are seeing this thing like that you could one

421
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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. People say, yes, there is room for mistaken

422
00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.599
<v Speaker 2>identity and people just making up stories. But even if

423
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.640
<v Speaker 2>zero point zero one percent of sightings is a sasquatch,

424
00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.839
<v Speaker 2>that means there's a sasquatch, you know. That means that

425
00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.519
<v Speaker 2>it exists. So I've always been fascinated with Bigfoot, but

426
00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I love the other cryptid like the o tongue in

427
00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the Naisna Forest in South Africa. I think that is

428
00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:13.039
<v Speaker 2>super fascinating. The Vietnamese rock apes that were cited throughout

429
00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:16.759
<v Speaker 2>the Vietnam War, that is very interesting, and I don't

430
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<v Speaker 2>buy into the oh, they were just hallucinating on opioids

431
00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:24.720
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. That's insane to me because like hundreds of people,

432
00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.519
<v Speaker 2>dozens were seeing them at the same time. It's like,

433
00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:29.839
<v Speaker 2>that must be a pretty strong thing if they're all

434
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<v Speaker 2>having the same hallucinations here. But the one I like

435
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the most and I'm interested in the most is the

436
00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Irang Pendeck in Sumatra, and that's the that's the cryptid

437
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I've actually gone out looking for.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Where'd you look for them?

439
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Gooding Touju?

440
00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the Lake of Seven Peaks, right same place

441
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>said I went during the episode.

442
00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it's a great area. I mean, I love

443
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.720
<v Speaker 2>the jungle. I spend a lot of time in the jungle.

444
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<v Speaker 2>It's my favorite place on Earth. I go to the

445
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Malaysian jungle all the time. But the Sumatran Jungle was

446
00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.519
<v Speaker 2>It was the first jungle I've been into that hasn't

447
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>been like baking hot, humid, so it's kind of a pleasant,

448
00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>pleasant change. But it is, man, it is tough jungle.

449
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>It is immense jungle. So I was like, Okay, this

450
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.359
<v Speaker 2>is going to be a challenge.

451
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<v Speaker 1>You know what struck me when I was there is

452
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the animals. I heard them. I think

453
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<v Speaker 1>the entire time I was there, I saw some given

454
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<v Speaker 1>some signings, I guess across the lake, and from a

455
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>great distance I saw them moving around in the trees.

456
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>And other than that, I saw a flash of brown

457
00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>near the forest floor at one point, and I'm still

458
00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>not sure what it was. My guide said it was

459
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a small monkey or something like that. I guess you

460
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 1>got a better look at it, But I didn't see

461
00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 1>the animal life, although there is sign everywhere, And it

462
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.079
<v Speaker 1>makes sense because everything in a jungle is either trying

463
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.480
<v Speaker 1>not to be eaten or trying to eat something else,

464
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<v Speaker 1>So it makes sense you don't see a lot of

465
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 1>the animals there unless you know where to look. But yeah,

466
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>jungles are really something. It took a little bit of

467
00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the romance of it away from me. I know you

468
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 1>said you love jungles, but they are horrid places where

469
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.079
<v Speaker 1>you can see that you've got to be pretty tough

470
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<v Speaker 1>to survive.

471
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as soon as you enter a jungle, you're decomposing, essentially,

472
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the jungles trying to eat you. But you're right, Cliff,

473
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.160
<v Speaker 2>like jungles, you don't see that many animals. It's surprisingly

474
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't. I mean it's so thick and everything is

475
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.079
<v Speaker 2>hiding because everything's trying to kill each other. So a

476
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of people think when they go into the jungle

477
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be like tropical paradise waterfalls, you know,

478
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>standing there with a bowl constrictor around your neck. It doesn't.

479
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not like that. I mean even in the Bolivian

480
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 2>jungles is the same as well. I mean there is

481
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:55.039
<v Speaker 2>lots of species, different species, but individually each one of

482
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 2>them species is so hard to see. The only animals

483
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I saw there was me spoiler alot. I didn't see

484
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a ring pen deck, but I did see see a man.

485
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I did see sumatrans surreally, which is might what might

486
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>have been the monkey that you caught a glimpse of

487
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>cliff a sou Martians surreally. They're kind of like a

488
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>roofusy brown color and they're endemnic to smart, so they're

489
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.359
<v Speaker 2>actually a really cool monkey to see in general. But no,

490
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the irrang pen deck, and but I

491
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.240
<v Speaker 2>did find potential evidence of it, and pretty cool evidence.

492
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So well, tell us about that, Like, what were you

493
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 1>doing at the time and what did you find?

494
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was just me and a guide, and this

495
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.559
<v Speaker 2>guide doesn't he's never done taking someone out looking for

496
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>a rain pen deck. Before he was sort of surprised.

497
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 3>This wasn't for TV. This was just like a personal trip.

498
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.920
<v Speaker 3>You don't have a camera crew.

499
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Just a personal trip. I went, I'm going to smartra,

500
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look for it. I do it all

501
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>the time, just head off to the juggle by myself.

502
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Okay, well, this is going to

503
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>be cool because it's Sumatra, cool jungle, and I've I

504
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.880
<v Speaker 2>can look for this for this, for this ape. And

505
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there is a chance on earth that

506
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you're going to find something with a large group of

507
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.079
<v Speaker 2>people or talking and things like that. I think that

508
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that will yeah, it will be so so hard. So

509
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, just two people, me and a guide.

510
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:22.519
<v Speaker 2>And my guy didn't really he didn't. He wasn't a

511
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.759
<v Speaker 2>skeptic about Iran pen deck, but he was under the

512
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>impression that it was an animal and it's probably extinct now,

513
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>which might be the case, who knows, but well maybe

514
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>not because I found footprints of it. But he was

515
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of like he pulled me aside and he was like, look,

516
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but we're probably not going to find this thing.

517
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I know that, I know there

518
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>is no chance that I'm going to see this thing

519
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 2>like it will be so rare. And from then on

520
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.119
<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh, thank you for saying that, because

521
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 2>he was under pressure, like oh, you've got to find

522
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>this guy at the Iran Pendeck and he was like, okad,

523
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that. So after that he was like,

524
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>all right, cool. It was a relief for him. But

525
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I've spent a week in that jungle. And we went

526
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>over to the other side of the lake, the flooded

527
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.880
<v Speaker 2>cold Era, and we're trying on the other side, and

528
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I found a few footprints that I was like, well,

529
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it shows signs of you know what a ring Pendec

530
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>footprint is said to look like from a lot of

531
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 2>the casts I've seen. A lot of the ones I

532
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>look at is sort of like the Adam Davies cast,

533
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and I know there's been a lot of conjecture it

534
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>might be a handprint or whatever. So I was sort

535
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>of like, all right, well that's what I'm looking out

536
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>for a footprint like that. I found a few ambiguous

537
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>ones and I was like, well, I'm not going to

538
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>say for sure what that is, because it is it

539
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>could be tape, your footprints overlapping. Then the last day

540
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 2>I was there, we had about an hour before we

541
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 2>got an to the canoes and headed back across the

542
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 2>lake because there was weather coming. You know, you got

543
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what Karinchi is like, it rains all the time,

544
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, on and off. My guide was up machetting

545
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.640
<v Speaker 2>away a path through and I'd found a bird's nest

546
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 2>on the floor. So I was looking through it and

547
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I was filming myself and I was like, you know,

548
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 2>you can find hairs in birds nests because birds use

549
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the hairs to build their nest. And as soon as

550
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 2>I said that, I looked over and about six feet

551
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.799
<v Speaker 2>away is this print. I was like, wow, walked over

552
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 2>to it, and it was just like obvious to me

553
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I said this. I was like, I said this to myself.

554
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>If I was in Uganda and saw that, I would say,

555
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:47.039
<v Speaker 2>that's just a chimpanzee footprint. But I'm in Sumatra. There

556
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>are no chimpanzees. There's no orangutans in that area either,

557
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>as far as we know. I couldn't believe. I was like, wow,

558
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>that is exactly what I've been looking for. And then

559
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a whole trail of footprints from there, and

560
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>it was like you could see how this thing had walked.

561
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>It had walked bent saplings over us, like sort of

562
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 2>part of them. As it walked. There was slide marks

563
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>where it had slipped on a bit of rotting fruit,

564
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and then there was like a big leaf where it

565
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 2>had kicked mud up as it walked. And my guide

566
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>come over and I showed him and he was like, well,

567
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 2>what the hell, because again he was on the fence

568
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>about whether or not the Rangpendex still exists or exists

569
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>in first place, and he was so confused by it,

570
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and just seeing his face and his curiosity, and he

571
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>actually found more tracks as well. As we walked. It's

572
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 2>that same old thing, mate. I didn't have time to

573
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>cast it, and it was the rain was coming in.

574
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 2>We were just about to leave. It was the last

575
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of day. But what I did, I got my

576
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 2>camera and filmed all the inside of it and all

577
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 2>around and that when I got back to Perth, I

578
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>converted that into a full three D image of it,

579
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>because it separates them into images and makes this really

580
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 2>cool three D thing and you can even look at

581
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>the underneath, so you can see the impression from the underneath.

582
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>And that was like, that was amazing. I was like, Wow,

583
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>this is six and then I got it printed out

584
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>three D printed out because I was like, I'm getting

585
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>that cast. I'm going to cast the three D print.

586
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, I'm probably going to ruin

587
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the three D print if I cast it, but it

588
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>actually came out.

589
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Describe the hypothetical foot that made that impression.

590
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, it looks I mean, I've got four potential at

591
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>ring Pendet casts here that have been cast by other people,

592
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 2>and it looks closest to the Adam Davies cast, but

593
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a more prominent, divergent big toe like it looks like

594
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 2>almost it looks like almost chimpanzee. I mean, it's not

595
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot different to the other cast, but it's

596
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>still different. Does have like a bigger toe, longer than

597
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 2>the other cast I've seen, But I was thinking a

598
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>lot my feet compared to a couple of my mate's feet,

599
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Like my mate's feet look like flippers, their toes are

600
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 2>as long as fingers, and like my toes don't look

601
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>like that. So there is obviously going to be each

602
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>individual have different toes. To some extent.

603
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 4>On this podcast, we say halex not big totals we're

604
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 4>learned men of science.

605
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, so yeah, it looks different, but not

606
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 2>stupidly different. And then I sent the three D image

607
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to doctor Jeff Meldrem as you would, and he said,

608
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 2>well it looks. It was like, looks interesting. It does,

609
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was like impressed with the three D image

610
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 2>of it, was like, wow, that's actually pretty cool. It

611
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, looks looks kind of like a handprint. And

612
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, it does, absolutely, but unless this thing

613
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>was walking by a handstand through the jung, it's probably not.

614
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>It's probably I'll say it's a footprint. But then I

615
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 2>was thinking, well, what has feet? You know, simang have

616
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>long toes. But if you actually see them and gibbons

617
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>walk bipedally when they're on the floor, thirteen percent of

618
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>their locomotion is bipeded locomotion. They're the most bipedal primate

619
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>apart from humans. And if you actually see when they walk,

620
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>they tuck that in when they walk, or they haven't

621
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 2>splayed out as they walk, depending on the surface. So

622
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 2>when I was thinking like, well, some of the prince

623
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>people find they describe more like human prints. When gibbons

624
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>tuck the halex in, it almost lines up with the

625
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>other toes, so it would look like a foot like

626
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have the halex pointing out the side like that,

627
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and they do walk with it out, and that could

628
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>explain why we're finding prints that have the halex pointing

629
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>out of that and also could blame why sometimes it

630
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>resembles a human food. And obviously being a walking you'd say,

631
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>as an obligate biped it would tuck that in so

632
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't get caught on sticks and things like that.

633
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And also the toes wouldn't be as long as other

634
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>gibbons toes because it it's not completely arboreal. I would

635
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>say it would still be arboreal, but not to the

636
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>point where it's in trees most of its life. So

637
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 2>that's why the theory come to me that maybe this

638
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>thing isn't a bipedal orangutan that a lot of people

639
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>described as, but more of a robust, more terrestrial type

640
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 2>of gibbon. And once I thought about that, I was

641
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>like that it makes sense because also the descriptions of

642
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>irang pendeck. The varying color of hair was also interesting

643
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 2>as well, because we know gibbons, especially the lar gibbn

644
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 2>it can be from jet black to like a bright

645
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>blonde color. And it's not a sexual dimorphism thing there.

646
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It's both male and female can be that color. And

647
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Iringpendex been described as being either like sometimes black, sometimes

648
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>a chestnutty brown, sometimes blonde. So well that that that

649
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>is interesting, like and that's what made me sort of

650
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>start to think that maybe it is a type of given.

651
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

652
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Bogo will be right back after these messages. It's a

653
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>very interesting idea. I mean, gibbons are plentiful in Somatra

654
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'll probably author out Indonesia. I don't know, but

655
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense that, yeah, okay, there's a there's an

656
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>ecological niche open for some sort of you know, some

657
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>terrestrial advantage that that you know, give them, I don't know,

658
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 1>give them millionaires. I'll figure it out. You know, there's

659
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 1>a reason why they can't be a bipedal because they

660
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 1>they've been seen in trees, and they're obviously very good

661
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>at up in trees. I ring Pendex set is, but

662
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>why not why not have them walking around on the ground.

663
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>That's a very interesting theory. It'll be interesting to see

664
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>how that pans out with future research.

665
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because another thing as well is like, well, why

666
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>would it be a volved to be terrestrial with there's

667
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>still a threat of tigers because we know that so

668
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 2>march and orangutans are way more are boyal than born

669
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>in orangutans because of the present the presence of tigers.

670
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>But just because there's a predator in the area doesn't

671
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>necessarily wouldn't necessarily cause it to evolve any differently. I mean,

672
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 2>humans are bipedal and there's still plenty of predators. Even

673
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>when we were, you know, living in the savannah and

674
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>we are bipedal and there were still predators, So it

675
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't really make a difference in the like in the

676
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>evolution of the anatomy of this animal. And then you know,

677
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you look at something like Ardipithecus. It still had that

678
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>opposable hallix that displayed grasping big toe, and it was

679
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>an obligate biped but also spent a lot of time

680
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>in trees. And I feel the same way about a

681
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>ring pendeck. Yeah, it's been sighted up trees, absolutely, but yeah,

682
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it would be it's just because it has that opposable

683
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>howlex doesn't necessarily mean it's not an obligate biped don't

684
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 2>spend the most of its time walking on two legs

685
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>through the jungle. Because we look in the past there

686
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.719
<v Speaker 2>are animals that have had feet like that and were

687
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 2>obligate bipeds well.

688
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 1>And of course in bipedalism started in the trees. It's

689
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>now a thought that that's the origins of bipedalism, is

690
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>walking on branches on two legs while using their arms

691
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to steady themselves on other branches and things. And you

692
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>mentioned something a few moments ago. It kind of hinted

693
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>at something, and I wanted to follow up on that

694
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Now, sameings have pretty long toes for

695
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 1>grabbing on trees and whatnot. And though the ring Pindeck

696
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>casts that we were able to obtain through the ring

697
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Pindeck project, they seem to have shorter, stubbier toes, which

698
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>would make sense for a biped of this sort. Did

699
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you find that to be true on the footprints you

700
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>found as well.

701
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the toes on mine are still short. The

702
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>toes are like probably consistent with the other cast, except

703
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 2>for the halls. It's longer than what I've seen in

704
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the other casts, but that could be just like depending

705
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>on how the animal is walking, what terrain is walking on,

706
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 2>could just be tucked in more in some of the

707
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 2>casts and splayed out more like it is in my cast,

708
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>my three D print. If you look at videos of

709
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 2>gibbons walking, it is like sometimes completely tucked in, sometimes

710
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>fully out. I think depending on how far it's tucked in, well,

711
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, because we'll still poke out to a certain degree,

712
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.840
<v Speaker 2>may make the toe look shorter or longer depending on

713
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>how far it's played out. I mean, I'm not a

714
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 2>foot expert, but that some of the casts I have

715
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Speaker 2>are like if I trace that aleck's back like well

716
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you would, you wouldn't really able to be fully seen

717
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>an impression if it's tucked in, because it'll be so

718
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 2>tucked up against the side. It'd be very hard to

719
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>see that in a In a foot cast, you know

720
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the gap that that toad would would have if it

721
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 2>was tucked in more. But who knows. Like I said,

722
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 2>with people, the difference between toads are crazy big for cast.

723
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Their toes definitely spell out, like when you know they're

724
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 4>going up or downhill or muddy. If it's muddy terrain,

725
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 4>the toes splay out a lot more and look longer.

726
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And another thing as well, when I was interviewing

727
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 2>a witness. We didn't pay him anything. We didn't pay

728
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>him a cent. He was just a real He was

729
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 2>an old neighbor of my guy, and he was like, oh, yeah,

730
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I think one of my old neighbors saw one. So

731
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I went to his house and was talking to him

732
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>about it. He got a really good sighting of one.

733
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Like five minutes. He was watching this thing. This was

734
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty, and the way it was describing I

735
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 2>was like, Wow, this is amazing. This guy saw it.

736
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>This guy saw in a ring pendeck and then it

737
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>was calling to another animal over the hill and you

738
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.639
<v Speaker 2>could hear the response, and I was like, this is gold.

739
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 2>This is great. And then he did the old which

740
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>happens so much with these these cryptid apes for some reason,

741
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole feet pointing backwards thing. And as soon as

742
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 2>he said that, my it's a weird motif. Yeah, my

743
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 2>heart kind of sunk. I was like, oh no, because

744
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that time time again, and I mean to me,

745
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it kind of like discredits it a little bit, because

746
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I think there is it's a very folklorish thing maybe

747
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>where it's feet point backwards so you don't know which

748
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>direction it's going. But I've heard this said before. If

749
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 2>you see well, for example, gibbons or chimpanzees is like

750
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.280
<v Speaker 2>walking by Beatley with a halick sticking out like that.

751
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>It looks weird from behind. If you're looking at it

752
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>from behind as it walks and seeing that pointing out,

753
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>it looks like a weird foot like, it looks like

754
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>it looks different, not necessarily pointing backwards, but it looks

755
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like it's bent in a weird sort of way where

756
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, you could mistake that for it pointing backwards.

757
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>That's sort of like what I was, you know, hoping,

758
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>because the it's like, for example, when you use hear

759
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot stuff like oh yeah, great witness. It was

760
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 2>described perfectly that that's really good sighting. Then all of

761
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>a sudden it got into a UFO and flew off.

762
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Your heart would sink. You're like, oh no, sort of

763
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 2>like that when I hear about the feet pointing backwards.

764
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 2>But there could be an explanation for that.

765
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's such a peculiar thing that that is

766
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 1>a worldwide motif on hairy harmonoids like the yetty the Yeah,

767
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Like there's so many different unknown ape species that have

768
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 1>that attribute as part of the yowi too yowie. Yeah,

769
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just so peculiar that that arose and has become

770
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>part of the gig.

771
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Now.

772
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't understand with things like like the

773
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 2>yowie and stuff of that, because their feet are described

774
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 2>to be like ours, not that the helix pointing out

775
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to the site or anything like that, So that wouldn't

776
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 2>explain why they're saying that it looks like the feet

777
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>are spun around because their feet are said to look

778
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.679
<v Speaker 2>similar to ours, so that that is a confusing thing. Well,

779
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make sense for a lot of the hominids

780
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>that are sighted then.

781
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 1>So have you seen that footprint cast that Debbie Martyr

782
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>pulled out of Somatra of the ring Pendeck. Have you

783
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>ever seen a photograph of it or anything.

784
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen Debbie Martyrs. No, I've read about her

785
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 2>sighting and everything. I would love to see that cast

786
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>because I've never actually seen it.

787
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't have a really good photograph of it, unfortunately,

788
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>but there is a photograph in doctor Gregory Forth's book

789
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Images of the Southeast Asian wild Men of that cast,

790
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that stood out to me

791
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it contrasts really well against the footprints set I was

792
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>able to get through the ring Pindeck project in that

793
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 1>the Halex the big toe there was quite a bit

794
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>larger and not like more robust, but just longer than

795
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the ones that I was getting. So it kind of

796
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>sounds like what you're describing here. So I think I

797
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>have a scan of that somewhere in my computer and

798
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I will be happy to email that to you so

799
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of compare yours to it.

800
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I would love to see that, yeah, because yeah, that

801
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 2>sounds similar to mine and mine bend's a bit as well,

802
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>like like how a chimpanzee would footprint would as well.

803
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>It curves inwards, which I think there is another cast

804
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>that they call is like the Banana cass or something

805
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 2>where it does do that. So yeah, that'd be really cool.

806
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Because Debbie Martyr is i mean, her sighting and the

807
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff she's done with the ring Pendeck. That was one

808
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.800
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why I was like, well, this seems

809
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 2>like a thing that could exist. And then Jeremy Holden

810
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>saw it as well working with Demi Mate. I think

811
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>actually Debbie Singh caught eyes on the irang pandic a

812
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>few times.

813
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 3>As well, like three.

814
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I think, wow, Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I mean

815
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 2>because the way I thought about it, Somatra is huge.

816
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there is definitely room for an undiscovered species.

817
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean you look at the Tapannuli orangutan. This orangutan

818
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 2>was first sighted in like nineteen thirty seven, so they

819
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 2>knew there was an orangutan population there south of Lake Toober.

820
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>They didn't rEFInd that population until actual it was thirty

821
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>nine when they when they found it, and then ninety

822
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>seven when they rediscovered it. So it took them almost

823
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>sixty years to rediscover this thing, this population of orangutan.

824
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 3>There's a twenty five hundred rate. Was there over two

825
00:43:59.159 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 3>thousand of them?

826
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and in an area a thousand square meat square kilometers,

827
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the whole entire population exists. And then obviously in twenty

828
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>eighteen with DNA tests they were found to be a

829
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.800
<v Speaker 2>separate species. But it took them sixty years to refine

830
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 2>this population in an area one thousand square kilometers, well,

831
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 2>the area that the irang pen deck is said to

832
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 2>live in is fourteen thousand square kilometers. So if it

833
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.559
<v Speaker 2>took them that long to rediscover this population of orangutan,

834
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what chances are you of laying eyes on

835
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>a rang pen deck in an area fourteen thousand square kilometers.

836
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>It's very difficult.

837
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 4>How do the orangutans are they on the scale of

838
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 4>like looking for primates, They're pretty They're pretty easy to

839
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 4>find general, don't they vocalize and things like that.

840
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can hear them. They'll do long calls things

841
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 2>like that. You can also find nests in the trees,

842
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 2>but because they are mostly solitary animals, they're harder to

843
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 2>find their things like chimpanzees and gorillas, where you'll find

844
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 2>loads of nests and their ground nests as well well

845
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>for gorillas. But with the orangutans, because it's normally just

846
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, a female and an infant and then like

847
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a lone male, you really have to just track an

848
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 2>individual and hopefully you find it. I mean, I found

849
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 2>one in Borneo, but it was pure accident. It was

850
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the most pleasant surprises I've ever had in

851
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>my life. But I think once you know they're there

852
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and know where they slept at the night, you can

853
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 2>track them again, but refinding them because they're spread out,

854
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, over you know, a thousand square kilometers, it

855
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 2>would be more difficult than your other great apes.

856
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

857
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Bogo will be right back after these messages. I did

858
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 1>ask the head of primatology or the primatology department, I

859
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>think at the Connecticut Zoo, if your orangutan got out

860
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>here in Connecticut, how often would it be seen? And

861
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>his answer was pretty much never, you know, because they'd

862
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 1>find it again, but it'd be very, very difficult to

863
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 1>see ever.

864
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, how do you spot a two hundred

865
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 2>pound red like ape up a tree? It's well, you

866
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 2>do like you.

867
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Won't in the fall? Yeah, you know.

868
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 4>Well, just for comparison to there was a I think

869
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.920
<v Speaker 4>it was six hundred pound tiger was loose in La

870
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 4>County on the Ventura border, like you know in La

871
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 4>the hills out north of there, and a three three

872
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 4>by five mile I think it was three by five

873
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 4>miles fifteen square mile area. Thing lasted, I mean, with

874
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 4>millions of people living around there, it made it three

875
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 4>weeks before they were able to catch it.

876
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's an animal you want to catch pretty

877
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>dawn quick.

878
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 4>The best trackers in California, like ten teams are the

879
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 4>best tracking teams with dogs.

880
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 3>They couldn't catch that tire for three weeks in La Jeez. Yeah.

881
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Tiger's are any animal that lives in a jungle, and

882
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>especially ambush predator. You think it will stand out like

883
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw a thumb being colored like that, but they

884
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 2>blend in unbelievably. I remember when I was in the

885
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Malaysian jungle. I was by myself deep in the jungle

886
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for a week, just sleeping in a tent as you do.

887
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And one night I was kept on getting woken up

888
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 2>by something pushing on my head through the tent. And

889
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was, you know, turning on my flashlight, yelling,

890
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>going got away, you got away. But it kept on happening.

891
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>So what is that keep pushing on my head? I'm

892
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to sleep, get up in the morning, walk out,

893
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and there's like gigantic tiger footprints all around my tent.

894
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh god, this thing is having a sniff

895
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 2>of me through the tent.

896
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 1>It's good that you didn't smell delicious, I know.

897
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I would have smelled horror. I smell horrible, like just

898
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 2>to myself. I could smell myself a mile away.

899
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 1>You know it's bad when you can smell yourself.

900
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like, oh I love to smell on my

901
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>own broue. No, I don't. Not this time I was.

902
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I was swimming in the river as well because of

903
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>that stank. I was swimming in the river, and I'd

904
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>set up my camera to do like the auto photo

905
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 2>thing of me so I could get a photo me

906
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 2>swimming in this river, Like, oh yeah, that's a good photo.

907
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Get back to the tent, have a look at it.

908
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait, what's that in the background. Zoom in

909
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 2>and there's a massive false garil, which is a large

910
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 2>crocodilion right behind me.

911
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:42.239
<v Speaker 3>No, oh gosh, damn, that's the hell out of me.

912
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think I would have swam in that

913
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 1>river knowing that it was were there not a bit It.

914
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Was in the water on the land.

915
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 2>It was in the water like six feet behind me.

916
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It just sees eyes and nostrils.

917
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Did you think it was?

918
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 2>It was huge, like false gariles get massive, like over

919
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.159
<v Speaker 2>fifteen feet quite red. And yeah, this one would have

920
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.920
<v Speaker 2>been about that size, and it was only recently as

921
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 2>well they found out that people have been eaten by

922
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 2>false garyles because a lot of people like, oh they

923
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 2>don't eat people because the shape of their jaws. They're

924
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 2>not as long as as like the like the Indian garriles.

925
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they have found fishermen inside of them.

926
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh they're real narrow. They have a really narrow jaws,

927
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 3>those ones.

928
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, real narrow more for fish, but yeah, they absolutely

929
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>have taken humans.

930
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, what's your thought on the Thylocene.

931
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 2>I think the Thilo scene, I think it might there

932
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 2>is there is a chance it's still there in some

933
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>parts of Tasmania. I don't really hold much credence to

934
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 2>it still being on mainland Australia. I know there are

935
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sightings of it still, but definitely in

936
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>especially in the western part of Tasmania, there is a

937
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.320
<v Speaker 2>huge bit of forest there, so they definitely could hide

938
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 2>file scene for sure. But I think, to be honest,

939
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 2>best chances of Papua New Guinea. There are some pretty

940
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 2>incredible witness accounts of people seeing the striped dog up

941
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in Papua New Guinea, and I mean there's like the

942
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>singing dog and things like that. That is unbelievably elusive.

943
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a good chance that it might

944
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 2>still be living in Papua New Guinea, more of a

945
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.400
<v Speaker 2>chance of staying hidden in Papua New Guinia than it

946
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>does in Tasmania. But yeah, I think it would be

947
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 2>an animal that I wouldn't be surprised if somebody found

948
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 2>one's hope.

949
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 1>So have you ever met Gary Opitt, another Australian cryptozoologist.

950
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't.

951
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 4>No.

952
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I think he lives in the Eastern State. He does

953
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that. He's part of the Yowi group, right.

954
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's an older gentleman and he's a witness of

955
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the Yowi and as well as a number of other

956
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>strange animals, and I was very impressed with them when

957
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 1>we got the chance to meet him in US real

958
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't go for a walk with the guy because

959
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.639
<v Speaker 1>it takes forever, because he's alway stop and down and

960
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 1>oh this plant here, and he'll tell you like a

961
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 1>ten minute story about the how amazing this plant is

962
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:10.679
<v Speaker 1>in the natural history of it and the indigenous uses

963
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and the medicinal use it. He just goes on and

964
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 1>he is such a wealth of knowledge you never get

965
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 1>anywhere by taking a walk, but you learn, You learn

966
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 1>more than you would in a college class. He's just

967
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>amazing this wealth of knowledge. And I bring him up

968
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>not only because he's interested in all sorts of cryptids

969
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.519
<v Speaker 1>in general and has seen some very peculiar things in

970
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 1>his life. But one of the things he saw and

971
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 1>he shared with us while we were there, is that

972
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>he saw a sasquatch or you know, basically whatever the

973
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.639
<v Speaker 1>equivalent would be in Papua New Guinea.

974
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

975
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 1>So I have a feeling that that island there probably

976
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 1>holds a lot of secrets.

977
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

978
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

979
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 4>He was way up, like he was about seven thousand

980
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 4>feet way up in the mountains, and when he saw

981
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 4>there's a black one about seven and a half foot tall.

982
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. I never heard that. I mean, it wouldn't

983
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 2>surprise me this they find. They mean, they're still finding

984
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.039
<v Speaker 2>loads of new species of animal and Papua New Guinea

985
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 2>and not small ones either, like a large animals. So

986
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I think places like Papua New Guinea, Myanmar, the Congo,

987
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>they're just so vast and it's just very hostile terrain.

988
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Not many scientists are out there surveying because of that

989
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>especially Meanma, because it's hard for scientists to even get

990
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 2>into Mianma. That's where they think they're still wilt populations

991
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 2>of like the pink headed dark and things like that.

992
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that really wouldn't surprise me. And even North America.

993
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't think people understand this, just how

994
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 2>vast some of those forests and natural areas are. I mean,

995
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 2>if there is an undiscovered animal anyway, I mean, North

996
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 2>America could definitely harbor one for sure, and probably does.

997
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, most assuredly does at least one.

998
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

999
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from the most southern area of North America to

1000
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 1>the most northern as well. I mean we get reports

1001
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>from Mexico in Central America as well. It's not as

1002
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 1>many as up here in the more northern latitudes, it seems,

1003
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>so yeah.

1004
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's still even the occasional sighting of a

1005
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>wooly mammus up in Alaska, I believe.

1006
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Well there's some stories of that, there's. Yeah, and there

1007
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 1>was actually one video of a supposed video that I

1008
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 1>was asked to comment on for a TV show, and

1009
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it was actually.

1010
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 2>A bear holding like a salmon hanging out of his mouth.

1011
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it

1012
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 1>was or whatever, but that was circulating online for a second, so.

1013
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting, especially like where

1014
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.599
<v Speaker 2>willly mammisonly went extinct on Wrangel Island there about four

1015
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, which geologically speaking is a blink of

1016
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 2>an eye.

1017
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's amazing the Egypt of the Pyramids remade while

1018
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:56.559
<v Speaker 1>wooly mamms were still around.

1019
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's crazy to think they.

1020
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Only got wiped out due to just in bridging, I

1021
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 3>think too. Isn't that the reason they went out on

1022
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 3>a wrangle?

1023
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's such a small island and they

1024
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 2>were they were small amounts because of insular dwarf ism.

1025
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, when you get a large it's still a

1026
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 2>large animal like that on a small island, and yeah,

1027
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you've just funneled like you've just got a genetic bottleneck there.

1028
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's not going to be good. And it's

1029
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 2>sort of like, I don't know if you've what do

1030
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 2>you think about the Gigantopithaca's bigfoot theory, because yeah, at

1031
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:34.760
<v Speaker 2>one point it was connected. There was land bridges and

1032
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.360
<v Speaker 2>there was a way for them to get up there.

1033
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I'm not. I think just because there's

1034
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 2>two giant apes doesn't mean they're the exact same thing.

1035
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.119
<v Speaker 2>But who knows. It's a cool theory, and I like

1036
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 2>reading about it, and I mean, we don't even show

1037
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Gigantipitheca was by pedals.

1038
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah, that's the problem there, or that's one of

1039
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<v Speaker 1>the problems is we don't know enough about giganos to

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<v Speaker 1>say much about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So, but we do know that they were in the

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<v Speaker 1>line between Sheverpithecus and orangutans, and both of those apes

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<v Speaker 1>lack of brow ridge, and sasquatches are pretty uniformly reported

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good brow ridge on them, So of

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<v Speaker 1>course it could have evolved separately. That's too big of

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<v Speaker 1>an issue or anything. But there are some things about

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<v Speaker 1>it that I think it's I'm taking a wheat and

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<v Speaker 1>sea sort of attitude towards that one. My money is

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<v Speaker 1>still on parathis right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what attracted me to things like a ran pendeck

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the smaller ones, because the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that makes it weird and would make people sort of

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical of it is the bipedalism. If you said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there might be a robust species of gibbon that

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been discovered before in Sumatra, people wouldn't bat nihilily.

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<v Speaker 2>They go, oh, yeah, that sounds about right. The moment

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<v Speaker 2>you say bipedal, they're like, oh, I don't know about that, So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bipedalism. I don't get why people think it's

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<v Speaker 2>such a deal breaker, because it's happened. We're bipeole. We

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<v Speaker 2>know what happens in primates, So I don't really get

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<v Speaker 2>why that is like the deal break, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe it now. Gibbons do walk by peoedle quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that has something to do with just

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<v Speaker 1>a human exceptionalism sort of thing, or that we think

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<v Speaker 1>we're a little bit more special than we are on p.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I think, well, we're bipedal primates.

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<v Speaker 2>There isn't room for another bipedal primate. That's too icky.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a bit creepy for me. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people when they see some of these

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<v Speaker 2>cryptids faces, it really freaks them out because of a

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<v Speaker 2>bipedal animal that is so similar to us. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>people uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me comfortable personally. I kind of like knowing

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<v Speaker 1>them a part of the larger animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, we don't want to be the only

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<v Speaker 2>bipedal lpes walking around. It's the lonely planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we kick it over to the overtime?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, you know, if you don't mind an if

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<v Speaker 1>you can stick around and do a members episode with

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<v Speaker 1>you and then talk to you, talk to you more

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<v Speaker 1>about some interesting cryptids and some of your adventures, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have the time, if you're okay without fantastic, then so, listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for tuning into Bigfoot and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking to Adam over there in a few moments.

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<v Speaker 1>microphones and all that sort of stuff. We really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>all the support. Yeah, So Adam Thorn has been our

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<v Speaker 1>guest today and his website is www dot Biothorn dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au, an Australian website. Really interesting things are

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<v Speaker 1>happening over there, and of course his show King of

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<v Speaker 1>Pain is on History Channel. You also, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are I mean clearly you're listening to our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You like podcasts, why not subscribe to Adam's podcast as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Thorn's Jungle And there's a lot of interesting

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<v Speaker 1>topics or talk about. I'm just like scrolling through right now.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a ring and Tan stuff, there's Walrist stuff. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of primates and snakes and all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>cool things. And am I missing anything? Adam? Anything else

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<v Speaker 1>you want to mention?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, now you nailed it, Cliff. You can

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<v Speaker 2>follow me on Instagram as well, Adam underscore Thorn. That's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the main social media I used. But yeah, apart

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<v Speaker 2>from that, the website and check out the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm going to follow you right now on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram Adam underline Thorn. Cool. Right on, Well, Bobbo, take

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<v Speaker 1>us out of here and start the members episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to ask at when we get to

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<v Speaker 4>the members section, if you can recommend any local licors

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<v Speaker 4>or any specific beer or whiskey that was good for

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<v Speaker 4>numbing the pain.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we'll get to that the overtime. Yeah, the bonus.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, folks, Well, thanks again, thanks to Adam for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for listening. We appreciate it. Until next week, y'all,

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<v Speaker 4>keep it squatchy.

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