WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:05.799 Report to Transporter Room three. 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:11.320 Oll Brian here, I need you in Transporter Room three. 3 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:13.960 This is the Captain. Meet me in Transporter Room three. 4 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:19.679 Join us in Transporter Room three. 5 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:25.359 Captain. We're heading for Transporter Room three. This is your 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:30.399 favorite transport room, isn't it. You're listening to Transporter Room 7 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:36.840 three with your hosts, Phil Perello and sak Laura Energize. 8 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.560 Welcome back to a new episode of Transporter Room three. 9 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.479 Mister Scott. How are you. 10 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.000 I'm doing all right, Phil. A couple of things going 11 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.759 on in the world of Star Trek at the moment. 12 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.679 One of them is the it's just the already fifth 13 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.240 anniversary of the best of both worlds if you can 14 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:03.799 believe it. 15 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:09.079 Yes, yes, And we're continuing our celebration of that very 16 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:13.319 landmark anniversary for both of us, that landmark episode with 17 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.159 an interview with Michael Lokuda, which you can check out 18 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:16.959 on our Patreon. 19 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:17.400 Yeah. 20 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.799 He does a very very deep dive on the making 21 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.120 of the episode, his role in shaping the character of 22 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:28.840 the tenant Shelby. He also unpacks how the old school 23 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:33.920 the analog digital process they used to make the spinny 24 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:35.079 Star Drive graphics. 25 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.120 Oh yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty cool. 26 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.120 And he also talks about his role in working on 27 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.640 Star Trek four, his first Star Trek project, and why 28 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.480 there was only one shot. 29 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.159 Of the bridge Okay, no beauty. 30 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.519 Passes, no nothing, just one shot of the new Enterprise 31 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.840 a bridge at the end of Star Trek four. It's 32 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.040 a fascinating chat. He's to say this's a nice guy 33 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.920 would be a an understatement. He's just it was one 34 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:04.560 of the coolest chats I've ever had with a Star 35 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:05.159 Trek person. 36 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.639 That's awesome. Yeah, that bridge is like that was a 37 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:11.960 one and done bridge too, right, because one and done 38 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.199 you get to Star Trek five. It's a different bridge, right, 39 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.080 So yeah, okay, so yeah, go check that out over 40 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.319 on our Patreon where there's at this point over forty 41 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.360 exclusive Patreon episodes that we've recorded. So if you guys 42 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.639 have just been on the free feed here, that's forty 43 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.120 episodes of Transported Room three just waiting for you to 44 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:31.719 check out. 45 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.520 We have multiple Ron Moore and Brendan Braga interviews. We 46 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.120 have Sir Patrick Stewart talking about the threest anniversary of 47 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:43.280 all Good Things. Yeah, and we got Captain James Tiberius. 48 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.960 Kirk Yeah, the Shatner the chat, and we edited out 49 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.159 the part where he almost choked to death as well. 50 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.599 But I wish I could do that in my memory. 51 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:56.199 I wish I could just go to recall get that, take. 52 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.479 It out, you know what. But just like Captain Kirk, 53 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.599 he pulled through, He figured out a way through that 54 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.800 particular quagmire, and he triumphed in the end. 55 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:09.240 So he doesn't believe in choking on toast scenarios. 56 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:16.199 Okay, so we're gonna talk about Duet the Deep Space 57 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.439 nine episode on the occasion of the passing of the 58 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:26.520 actor from that episode who plays Maritza Harris Jolin. Am 59 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.080 I pronouncing his name correctly. 60 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:34.039 Harish Ellen. Yeah, an incredible actor and terrible coincidence. The 61 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:36.560 week before he passed away, I saw him in one 62 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:41.319 of his best performances, clear in Present Danger. I went 63 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.159 to see a revival screening of it and a beautiful 64 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:50.240 thirty five millionaire print. His performance killed that movie. 65 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:55.360 Yeah, he's great. So before we before we do that, 66 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.919 let's talk a little bit about the news that just 67 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.240 came up a couple of days ago, which is that 68 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.479 Change the Worlds is canceled. It's not done yet, but 69 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:10.919 it has officially been canceled. There's season three will be 70 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.960 airing this summer. I think in July. I think it debuts. 71 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.360 Season four is in production now. 72 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.959 Ish, I think it's wrapping up. 73 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.680 Yeah, okay, and then they so they've they announced that 74 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.560 there will be a season five, but it will only 75 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.079 be six episodes and then that's it shows done after that. 76 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.120 What do you think of that when you heard that news. 77 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:40.439 I wasn't surprised. I was more surprised at the timing. Yeah, 78 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.040 they haven't even done the junket yet for season three, right, 79 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.920 and the top question is going to be something around 80 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.480 what's it like to know this early that you're going 81 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.439 to be canceled? Or how are you preparing for the 82 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.680 final ups? You know all that stuff. Yeah, that feels 83 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.319 very questionable and just not I don't know what motivated 84 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:05.319 the time. Yeah, traditionally and when news like that hits, 85 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:10.639 it's because someone in the trades is sniffing around it. It 86 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.120 was going to announce it before they did, and they 87 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.240 wanted to control the narrative. But I don't know, I 88 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.120 don't know what the rationale was for that. 89 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.600 Could it be I don't know if this makes sense 90 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.519 but could it be that they were trying to get 91 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:30.319 ahead of of like the company, you know, Paramount potentially, 92 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.560 you know, like saying like, all right, you guys are done, 93 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.519 so that once they announced that it's happening, it's kind 94 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:37.360 of like, well now we kind of have to do 95 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:42.560 it something like that. Maybe I don't know, but but yeah, 96 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.720 I agree, it's odd because we're so far off, you know, 97 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.800 we're essentially we're at the halfway point right now, right 98 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.279 because we've only had two seasons that have actually aired. 99 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.160 So it also feels. 100 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.560 Six episode five fifth season, six episodes, like. 101 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:03.600 That's it's not even a season, right, but ten episodes, 102 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.839 which is what they've been doing is barely has barely 103 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.319 been a season, you know. So it feels a little 104 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.680 bit like when they ended Lower Decks two, which they 105 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.040 went out of their way to announce it as a 106 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.199 not a cancelation, but just the series ending coming to 107 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:24.279 its natural end, which is definitely not what Mike McGann, 108 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.040 the showrunner, He did not feel it was coming to 109 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.519 its natural end. He's kind of basically said that at 110 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.600 this point. So so I don't know if it's trying 111 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.519 to control the narrative, but it does feel it feels 112 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.079 odd like, as you say, but now that's what everyone's 113 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.879 going to be talking about as the new season launches. 114 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:48.639 So in terms of the show itself, it also feels premature. 115 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:50.920 I mean, I'm not, like you said, I'm not surprised 116 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.600 because it does feel like Paramount plus and Paramount in 117 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.439 general are there, and there was all this merger talk 118 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.839 that's going on. They're trying to there's been a lot 119 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.879 of layoffs, they're trying to say, trying to save money 120 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.000 anyway they can the Star Trek brand. 121 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.800 For the guys up top of course, millions of dollars 122 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.120 for their bad decision that cost people their jobs. 123 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.120 Yeah yeah, no, oh well that's but those guys they 124 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.639 deserve that. So yeah, but but uh, it feels like 125 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.600 Star Trek, the sort of modern age of Star Trek 126 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.600 on TV is kind of coming to an end. 127 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:36.240 Also, Yeah, because there's good I feel confident that there 128 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.360 will be some change ups when any of sky Dance 129 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:40.040 takes over. 130 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:41.160 Yeah. 131 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.000 Yeah, so I know that a priority for them is 132 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:45.920 to get another Star Trek feature film. 133 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.279 Yeah, it makes sense. It's the it's the it's a 134 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:53.360 name franchise, right, So and yeah, I mean in terms 135 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.639 of TV Star Trek, what what's left, what's changed the world? 136 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.519 You know, it's still got you know, two and a 137 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.639 half see. But like in terms of new stuff, we've 138 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.279 got Starfleet Academy and then that's it, right, So unless 139 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:10.199 they green light another new Star Trek show, we've just 140 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.920 got the Starfleet Academy thing, which is this great, this big, 141 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.639 unknown and kind. So that's quite It's quite different from 142 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.480 where we were not that long ago, where we had 143 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:24.040 how many shows we had? Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, 144 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.279 Strange Worlds we had like five shows. 145 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.639 One of the few good things that come out of 146 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.839 the streaming boom, you know, when everyone was just throwing 147 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:32.080 money at streaming. 148 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:36.240 Good good ish, because there was yeah, I mean, yes good, 149 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.600 but there was some real there were some real highs 150 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.320 and some real lows in that yeah, in that run. Also, Yeah, 151 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.480 and I'm nervous about Strange New Worlds. We're in bargoed 152 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.919 to talk about the new season. I've only seen a 153 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:55.919 couple of episodes from it so far, but suffice to 154 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.879 say that I'm nervous that it's not continuing the trend 155 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:04.720 that season one. Season one was was awesome, Season two 156 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.960 was Season two was good, and I'm not sure we'll 157 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.679 see where season three goes. But anyway, that's that. 158 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.960 So we can talk more about season three to Stranger 159 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.399 Worlds later. But I saw them as well, and my 160 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:18.799 sentiments are similar to Scots. 161 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.000 Okay. Yeah, so, and the other thing is just even 162 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.799 story wise, like it always felt like Strange New Worlds was. 163 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.320 The whole idea was it would eventually I think Akiva 164 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.399 Goldsman had even said like it was meant to, like, uh, 165 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.159 eventually catch up with the original series. 166 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.000 Right, And I'm curious to see how they do that. 167 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.159 Yeah, like how can they? Can they still do that 168 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:48.240 with the shortened Hey, what's up? I just heard footsteps 169 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.159 behind me. I was like, what the heck? No one 170 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:55.480 else is in the house. 171 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.159 Then I tell you his plan to bridge. 172 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.279 I realized my kid, My kid came home, has had 173 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.360 the English regents today, so he's done. He's done early. 174 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.000 But most people listening don't know what the regents is. 175 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.120 Do you do you know about regency? What is that? 176 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.480 It's a state. It's a it's like a final example, 177 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.759 but it's a New York state thing that they do 178 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.799 in high school where every kid in the state takes 179 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.200 the same test. 180 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:22.639 He changed the conditions of the test. 181 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.200 He does have an apple in his hand right now. 182 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.679 So anyway, Okay, so that's it for that. You want 183 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.679 to move on to do what? 184 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.720 Let's move on. An episode that never disappoints, it still 185 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:40.799 holds up more than thirty years, arguably the first great 186 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:42.080 episode of d S nine. 187 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:47.039 Yeah, start a run of good ones too, right. 188 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.120 Yeah, for sure, Like I don't know if this is 189 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:53.679 where they found their footing necessarily, but the tone of 190 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.759 this episode would carry on throughout the rest of the 191 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.600 show in terms of type of quality and drama you 192 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:05.840 can expect. Yeah, it's such a great judgment at Nuremberg 193 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:10.080 esque concept, like what would happen if you had to 194 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:11.240 defend your worst enemy? 195 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.840 Yeah, pretty much, right, and you. 196 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.840 Were responsible for their life, This person who you believe 197 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.399 is responsible for so much death in your life, you're 198 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:22.960 responsible for theirs. What would you do? 199 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:24.399 Yeah, And to. 200 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.120 Put Kira in that situation with someone who she believes 201 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:36.480 that the Kredassian involved in a terrible, terrible moment in 202 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.080 the occupation of Bejor, turns out to be something not 203 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.600 that to where by the end of the episode, she's 204 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.360 grieving the loss of this man who she couldn't wait 205 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:51.240 to die at the beginning. Yeah, some of the best 206 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.000 acting in Star Trek history. 207 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:54.080 It's great in. 208 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.080 This best acting on television at that time. 209 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, going at it like, yeah, it's Eric Yellen. 210 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:06.879 Just in a just world, he would have been nominated 211 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.639 and won a Supporting Actor Emmy. You know it's so 212 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:11.799 good or excuse. 213 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.399 Me, Yeah, let's let's break down the plot just real 214 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.799 quick for people who haven't seen it. But it's essentially 215 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.200 a freighter ship arrives at Deep Space nine I think 216 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.879 or a passenger ship, uh, and there's a someone on 217 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:30.279 board who's suffering from this medical condition that the only 218 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.080 people who have this medical condition were present at this 219 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:38.159 Bajoran labor camp during the Krdassian occupation because of a 220 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.000 mining accident. It turns out that it's this it's this 221 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.720 Cardassian who they think is this guy. At first they 222 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:50.639 think it's this guy Maritza and Kira is loaded to 223 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.080 bear and ready to go at this guy because she 224 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.320 figures if he's a Cardassian and he has this disease 225 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.440 or he has this illness, he must have been working 226 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.559 at that labor camp, which means he's guilty of at 227 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.360 least being complicit in the atrocities that were committed at 228 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:10.240 this labor camp. But from there it becomes this really twisty, 229 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.840 turney question they put it. They throw him in a 230 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:17.960 jail cell there, and periodically Kira is going in and 231 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:23.879 kind of interrogating slash debating with this guy. And then 232 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.840 on the on the other side, Kira and Odo are 233 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.000 kind of investigating and Cisco to some degree or investigating 234 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:32.759 this guy's past and trying to figure out who he 235 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.200 really is, and he kind of adopts several identities over 236 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.039 the course of the episode, as we the viewer don't 237 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.480 know who he really is either, and eventually it escalates 238 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.960 to the point where we turns out we think he's 239 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.759 not Maritza, but instead we think he's the goal who 240 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.840 ran the labor camp, who is this sort of like, 241 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:55.720 you know, really awful figure who who just delighted in 242 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:01.879 the murder of Bajorans, and a real turns out he's not. 243 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.919 He was a file clerk who has just suffered for 244 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:09.600 so much guilt over the years because he was there high, 245 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.879 as he tells it, hiding under his cot, covering his 246 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.759 ears to try to drown out the screams of the Bajorans. 247 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.320 So he was just a guy who was who was drafted, 248 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:25.559 I guess, and and felt his has felt over the 249 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.200 years like such guilt for not doing more to try 250 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.559 to help the people who you know online is he 251 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.039 probably couldn't have helped any of these Bajorans, right, Like 252 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:38.679 what would if a flop file clerk try to intercede 253 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.240 and help, you know, prevent the killings, what would happen? 254 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.360 He would have probably been arrested and executed by his 255 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:49.840 fellow Kardassians. So and so, Kira has this arc of 256 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.440 really going from hating this guy, as you said, to 257 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.759 feeling compassion for him in the end because he has 258 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.559 this breakdown in the end, and and you think that's 259 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.320 the end of the episode, and that could kind of 260 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:05.320 could have been the end of the episode. But she 261 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.799 the final moments and it all happens pretty quick. The 262 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:12.080 final moments of the episode, she and Odo and Maritza 263 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.120 are leaving. They're going to like try to get him 264 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.759 the help he needs, I guess, and he's free to go. 265 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.320 End up, Bajoring appears out of nowhere and stabs him 266 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.240 in the back and kills him just because he's a 267 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.960 Kardassian and like Kira, you know, Kira is like, you know, 268 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.240 that's not you know, he was just a guy. You know, 269 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.399 he didn't deserve to die. So a lot happens in 270 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.200 the forty five minutes of this episode, and it's all 271 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:38.799 really great stuff. 272 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.639 Amazing episode. And to go from thinking this is the 273 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:47.080 butcher of Gala tep right two, Oh my god, he 274 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.039 doesn't deserve this fate. Yeah, it's just it's magnificent writing, 275 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:56.440 it's magnificent acting. Yeah, some trivia on Duet Scott. Do 276 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.440 you remember in twenty twenty two the mini controversy that 277 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.679 erupted Now this episode was pulled from the streaming service. 278 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.600 Oh yeah, what happened? I do kind of remember something 279 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:09.320 about that now. 280 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:14.840 It so it was moving over to Paramount Plus and 281 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.399 it just wasn't there. And the official line from Paramount 282 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.320 Plus was, they tweeted on April fourteenth, twenty twenty two, 283 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.639 We're sorry we don't currently offer season one, episode nineteen 284 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.480 of D Space nine as part of Paramount Plus due 285 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:33.399 to streaming rights. Please check back often, as we're always 286 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.200 working to make even more available to you. 287 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:39.120 Why would there be any. 288 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.879 Exactly and then Ira Steven Barritt chimed in on the 289 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:48.080 same day, don't fuck with Ira duet missing in action. 290 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.480 That's a hashtag star trek DS nine snafu. For the 291 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.879 record books, Peter Allen Fields would not approve. He wrote 292 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.200 the episode he would not be surprised, but he would 293 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:04.920 not approve, and then immediately following his tweet, Paramount Plus replied, 294 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:11.640 sorry for the miscommunication. There was an issue, but our 295 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.519 team was able to get the episode back up and 296 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:18.359 available to stream, so there's no It's still unknown exactly 297 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.400 what it was, but apparently streaming rights was not the issue. 298 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.240 That's weird, even though. 299 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.079 They said it was and that it's not a miscommunication, 300 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.559 which is corporate speak for we aft up. We said 301 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.440 something we probably shouldn't have said. Yeah, we didn't expect 302 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.519 they want to make us think about this. Was there 303 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.599 something going on at that time in twenty twenty two where. 304 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.279 I mean, I was gonna I was going to try 305 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.400 to somehow tie it to the politics of by the 306 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.519 Biden was in office then, right, so doesn't Yeah, I 307 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.839 don't know, I do know that. Did you watch that? 308 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.880 You watched the new season of the rehearsal? 309 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:56.599 Right, no, I have not yet. 310 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.880 Oh, okay, well, there is a whole thing. There's one 311 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:05.480 episode where Nathan Fielder realizes that an episode of his 312 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:06.839 one of his. 313 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.240 Shows was Yes, I read about that Yeah. 314 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.319 Was pulled from Paramount Plus. He does not give Paramount 315 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:16.480 Plus any any room to navigate around either. He's he 316 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.279 goes hard on them about this, and it's this weird 317 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:23.000 thing where the episode apparently the episode was pulled for 318 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.480 I think it was quote unquote anti semitism in Germany. 319 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.319 Now Fielder's Jewish, talks about how he was raised Jewish, 320 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.799 and I don't think there's anything anti Semitic going on, 321 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.200 but like for some reason it got flagged in Germany 322 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:44.559 and then it spread like all these other foreign Paramount 323 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.920 Plus outlets pulled it as well, and eventually it pulled 324 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:50.880 in the United States too, So I wonder if there's 325 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:54.440 something weird like that. But I wanted to say real 326 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.240 quick about Peter Allen Fields. He was one of the 327 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.240 early because I was just reading the origins of Deep 328 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.400 Says nine recently, and he was one of the early 329 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.599 guys who was in the in the bullpen with with 330 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.599 Iras Stephen Burrer. He really helped build the show in 331 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.960 the early years, and he didn't eventually, I think was 332 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.960 let go for some reason. I don't know that. I 333 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.720 don't know the details, but he was I think, sort 334 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.279 of a mentor figure to iras Stephen Burr in some 335 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.319 ways as well. He was he was older, he's he 336 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:29.640 has since passed. So yeah, it's cool that Ira shouted 337 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:31.359 them out like that, but I think he meant a 338 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.759 lot to him also. And yeah, I mean, like here 339 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.160 we go this episode, you had like one of the 340 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.640 greats which would after this, This was the penultimate episode 341 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.680 season one. After this we get I think it's called 342 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.119 in the Hands of the Prophets, which is. 343 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.000 The Yes, this is another great episode. 344 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.839 Yeah, the school bombing episode with kai Win or Vedic 345 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.599 Win at that time, I think. And then from there 346 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:52.920 we go. 347 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:57.720 Into that great three parter season two opener U Circle, 348 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:03.720 the Circle U of the Siege, I can't remember, the 349 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:09.200 Circle of the Siege and the something something Great Ones. 350 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:14.160 Richard Bimer shows up as the hero of the Bajoran Resistance, 351 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.359 who's a guy who happened to kill a Kardassian while 352 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.839 he was taking a bath. Like he did, he becomes 353 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:25.880 glorified and a legend and it was just through a happenstance. 354 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.599 He happened to kill this famous Kardassian and he doesn't want. 355 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.839 To want the glory or the role he replaced. He 356 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.440 replaces Major Kura on Deep Slace nine, he doesn't want 357 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:40.200 any of it. Great stuff. Frank Langella plays a Bajoran 358 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:40.960 in that as well. 359 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:42.880 Interesting plays a very interesting villain. 360 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.240 But yeah, it's a good chunk of episodes right there, 361 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:50.839 really like differentiating them itself from the next gen at 362 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.559 the time as well. But on Duet, you know, I 363 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:58.279 wanted to just say real quick, like that the point 364 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:03.319 where uh yulan uh, it's near the end where he's 365 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.160 he's trying to act big and bad about all the 366 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.200 crimes and atrocities he committed, and Kira is picking away 367 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.680 at it, but she realizes that they figure out that 368 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.119 it's he's not who he says he is, or that 369 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:18.920 it doesn't make sense, and he starts when he starts 370 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.960 to break down and say, like, you know, like the 371 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.880 what we said earlier basically about the hearing the cries 372 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.960 of the victims and hiding under the cot and everything 373 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.440 is such a great acting moment, like it's it's it's 374 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:39.240 just so strong and and no visitor who's obviously younger 375 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.880 than him, but she she's just right there with him. 376 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:47.000 Yeah, like that's why she this amazing performer. Like both 377 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.200 her and him should have been nominated for Emmy's just 378 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:51.920 like this should have been their Emmy reel, but sci 379 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:57.599 Fi was not is not. Yeah, it is not in 380 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.680 that conversation as much as it should be. Yeah, lessons 381 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:05.440 for HBO's type stuff. Yeah, absolutely, that three parter kicked 382 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:09.200 off with the Homecoming, then the Circle, then the Siege. 383 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.160 We're gonna have to do. I think we need to 384 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.880 explore those three episodes next. Yeah, because those are amazing. 385 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:16.519 We should. 386 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:21.119 We should so some trivia on on this great episode. 387 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.559 The working title was The Higher Law, and it was 388 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:31.160 pitched by writers Lisa Rich and Genie Carrigan Fauci, and 389 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.920 it was based on the simple conflict inherent in the 390 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.039 idea of someone having to defend their worst enemy. Michael 391 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.359 Piller would later recall that quote duet was pitched to 392 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.319 us by two of our interns who wanted to do 393 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:50.200 something about a war. Criminal about that in the context 394 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.279 it was pitched, it didn't turn me on the idea 395 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.680 of a war criminal found aboard d S nine seemed 396 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.319 to me to be an interesting concept, but at first 397 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.240 it seemed to me to be a judgment at Nuremberg 398 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:05.400 Court show. Since the first season via Sign had already 399 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.839 included a court episode of Decks, the writing staff didn't 400 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:15.680 want to do another too soon, right, But eventually they 401 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.960