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I want to want to come everyone back 22 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:56.760 to our reading of two hundred Years Together by Alexander Sulshanisen. 23 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.879 This is episode seventy six, Doctor Jnsen, How are you 24 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:02.599 doing today? 25 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.400 I have to give fair warning to everybody. This is 26 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.960 very important. I have a purebread Maine coon kitten on 27 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.560 my lap. She will be a part of the show. 28 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.960 She will also be very distracting. Eventually you're going to 29 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.520 see her. She has these huge I love this breed. 30 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:26.240 They have these humongous ears and they're very demanding. Her 31 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.280 name is Susie cream Cheese. I hope some people recognize 32 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.280 where that's from and be very upset if no one does. 33 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:38.520 So just fair warning that breed is known for being 34 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:45.159 very demanding of the people they own. And so we 35 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.960 picked her up in Ohio. So she will be a 36 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.599 part of the show, and I guarantee you it's not 37 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:53.439 going to be the last time she's going to be 38 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.759 a part of the show unless she conks out here. 39 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.080 But I don't know, I don't know. She doesn't look 40 00:02:58.120 --> 00:02:58.319 like it. 41 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.520 I think people are looking forward to her being a 42 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.479 part of the show. So yes, oh yeah, there. 43 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.240 You should have seen her grandfather was I mean, she's 44 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:11.520 pure bred. Of course, I've seen the whole family. Her 45 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:14.639 grandfather was the biggest feeline. I mean, they're they're the 46 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:20.439 largest naturally occurring housecat in the world. And her grandfather 47 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:26.360 was so humongous, and he wasn't fat, he was just huge. 48 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.319 And and her her mother and father were there and 49 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.000 and and there she is going to her paws are 50 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.879 so massive. You know it won't be long before she 51 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:42.039 dominates this household. Starts intimidating the intimidating the dog. So 52 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:43.599 so I wanted to get that out of the way now. 53 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.280 So if it happens, you know, you understand where it's 54 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.759 coming from. It's not a shocked to anybody's system. 55 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.560 No problem. I am, like I said, we are all 56 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.439 looking forward to it. So all right, picking up where 57 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:03.719 we left off last time. The leading literary political magazine, 58 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:08.000 Contemporary Notes, published in Paris from nineteen twenty to nineteen forty, 59 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.759 was established and run by socialist revolutionaries a long list 60 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.160 of names I'm not going to pronounce. Sedek noted that 61 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:21.199 out of its five editors, three were Jews. In seventy 62 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:28.199 volumes of the Souvre Mege Sapisky, we see fiction articles 63 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.639 on various topics and the memoirs of a large number 64 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.680 of Jewish authors. Illustrated Russia was published by the Saint 65 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.920 Petersburg journalist M. P. Mironoff and later by B. A. Gordon, 66 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:45.160 earlier the owner of Pryozovsky Krai. Its weekly supplement gave 67 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.560 the readers fifty two pieces of classic or contemporary immigrant 68 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:53.759 literature each year. The literary immigrant world also included many 69 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:59.759 prominent Russian writers such as Mark Aldanoff, Semyon Yeshkevich, and 70 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:04.839 the already mentioned Jabatinsky and Yulie ike Involved m. O. 71 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:11.079 Seltzlin Amari. However, the topic of Russian immigrant literature cannot 72 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.279 be examined in any detail here due to its immenseness. 73 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:20.759 Yeah, I couldn't get through it in three lifetimes. Of course, 74 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.560 I concentrate mostly on the monarchists and people like that, 75 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.240 But you had the immigrant literature was so all these 76 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:32.560 people did, and as I said before, they spread the 77 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.439 You know, not these people, of course, but they spread 78 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.279 Russian orthodoxy and the Russian idea to people who had 79 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.399 never heard of it before, who knew nothing about it. 80 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.000 Most people know nothing about it even today. And all 81 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:51.240 of these non Russian converts like Saraphim Rose, myself we 82 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.480 come from this same, this same movement. But he's talking 83 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.639 here mostly about liberals and leftists who who had their 84 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.040 falling out with the Soviet Union for various reasons. There 85 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.480 were a lot of reasons to dislike the USSR, even 86 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.839 if you were even if you were Jewish, and that 87 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:16.079 would only increase when Trotsky was kicked out or left, 88 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.480 and then later when he was asked literally in his case. 89 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:25.120 Here I would like to address the life of Ilya Vondominski, 90 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.199 born in eighteen eighty, himself from a prosperous merchant family 91 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.480 and married in his youth to the granddaughter of the 92 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:36.199 millionaire tea trader v y Vessotsky. He nonetheless joined the 93 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:40.120 Socialist revolutionaries and sacrificed a large part of his wealth 94 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.759 and his wife's inheritance to the revolution by buying weaponry. 95 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.600 He worked towards the outbreak of the All Russian Political 96 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.279 Strike in nineteen oh five, and during the uprisings he 97 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.000 served in the headquarters of the SRS. He emigrated to Russia. 98 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.480 From Russia to Paris in nineteen oh six, where he 99 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:01.800 became close to d Maryshevsky and Zeke Gippius and developed 100 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:05.279 an interest in Christianity. He returned to Saint Petersburg in 101 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.519 April nineteen seventeen. In the summer in nineteen seventeen, he 102 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.240 was a Commissaar of the Black Sea Fleet and later 103 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.560 a delegate. What what. 104 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.879 He became a commison Oh? Okay, keep going. That came 105 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.639 out of nowhere, all right. 106 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.879 Let me read that again. In the summer of nineteen 107 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.399 seventeen he was the Commissar of the Black Sea Fleet 108 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.480 and later a delegate in the Constituent Assembly, fleeing after 109 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.480 it was disbanded. From nineteen nineteen he lived in Paris, France. 110 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.160 During the period under discussion, he devoted much time and 111 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:45.920 effort to Souvmigne Zebitski, including publication of a series of 112 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.560 articles titled The Ways of Russia. He played an active 113 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.040 role in emigrant culture life and provided all possible supports 114 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.800 of Russian writers and poets. For a while he even 115 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.240 managed to maintain a Russian theater in Paris. His passion, 116 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:04.240 many sidedness, energy and selflessness were without parallel among emigrants. 117 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:10.399 He estranged himself from the SRS and joined Christian Democrats, 118 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.720 along with a like mind the GP Fedotov and FA Steppen. 119 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:19.720 He began to publish The Christian Democratic New City. He 120 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.920 grew ever closer to Orthodoxy during these years. In June 121 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.160 nineteen forty he fled Paris from the advancing German forces, 122 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.759 but came back when was arrested in nineteen forty one 123 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.519 and sent to compencamp near Paris. By some accounts, he 124 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.720 converted to Christianity there. In nineteen forty two he was 125 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.399 deported to Auschwitz and killed. 126 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.639 Well, you know, you had a lot of these. Exile 127 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.360 does things to people. I know a little bit about it. 128 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.320 After my divorce wasn't like this, but it does strange 129 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:55.120 things to people. You start appreciating what you had that 130 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.960 you used to condemn, and now you realize, my god, 131 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.919 I wish I had it again. You had plenty of 132 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.399 Jews that had given their loyalty to the provisional government 133 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:12.720 that was socialist, that was completely secular, and when that 134 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:18.759 was overthrown, it was hard for them to join its enemies, 135 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.639 the Reds, at least right away. You had a lot 136 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.559 of these guys then immigrating to Europe and America, and yes, 137 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.519 there were many. Frank is my favorite. See me on 138 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.240 Frank who did convert a philosopher who I've read many 139 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:42.879 many times, Stepoon, who I've read many times. The problem 140 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.480 with Paris, though, is that a lot of the Russian 141 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.200 intellectual work there was financed well. He had two problems 142 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:55.840 in Paris. The Russian church there came under the Patrick 143 00:09:55.879 --> 00:10:00.039 of Constantinople, which, as Orthodox people know, is ol He 144 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.399 was a big problem by this point. It was very 145 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:10.840 much a Masonic uh body, far more liberal than anything 146 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:17.559 else today. It's an embarrassment. It fully recognized. The Bolsoviks 147 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:25.120 demanded that Tecon Saint Tecon support the Living Church, which 148 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:28.759 was their fake, early early concept of a church, the 149 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:35.679 Living Church, you know, childish mockery of liturgy and things 150 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.440 like that. But and the other problem was the y 151 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.200 m c A. The y m c A meant a 152 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.080 little bit more then than it does now, and they 153 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.639 financed a huge number of of of publications. I still 154 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.519 have my offices filled with publications I have y m 155 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:59.759 c A. And as a publisher. Their Masonic foundation was 156 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:01.960 more evident back then too, So you know, you had 157 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.120 Masonry from two sides. And I'm not saying there weren't 158 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:08.279 some good people. There, weren't patriots there. I'm not saying 159 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:13.080 that at all. But that was one faction of the immigration. 160 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.559 I've read wonderful things from there. However, the other group 161 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:26.080 were the Karlovti Center, the the traditionalists who eventually, well 162 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.000 initially we went to went went to Yugoslavia and then Britain, 163 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.360 then ended up in New York City and became the 164 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.519 Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia, with their headquarters or their 165 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.159 intellectual headquarters at Jordanville, and uh it's a bit upstate 166 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.919 New York. I have many friends there and my books 167 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:50.759 are sold there. It's a wonderful place seminary. So those 168 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.200 were the two two factions. And I'm not including, of course, 169 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.240 those who were, you know, socialists but could not handle 170 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.919 how the Soviets were doing things. That's a whole separate 171 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.159 group of people. And those who fled, you know, same 172 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:12.840 John Maximoments initially fled to China. The nationalists China, which 173 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:14.159 if you were in that part of the world is 174 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:18.879 easier to get to. Some went through Turkey anyway, anyway, 175 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.720 you could. As things fell apart for the for the 176 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:26.080 White Army. So but they all eventually came together either 177 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.799 in Paris or in New York City, and for once 178 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:34.120 in history New York City represented the right wing of something, 179 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:40.279 and that was the the Russian Ortho Church Abroad or 180 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:43.840 the RCO r rstaurant Sturch outside Russia in exile, whatever 181 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.720 whatever phrase you want to use, the Parisians. And if 182 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.919 you read out of literature, especially religious terature from this period, 183 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.440 they'll make reference to the especially later on in the 184 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.559 thirties and on, they'll make reference to the Parisians. And 185 00:12:58.559 --> 00:12:59.960 if you don't know this, you don't know what the 186 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:06.320 talking about. But there was no Masonic influence in the 187 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:10.720 traditionalist group that left very royalist. They had a military group, 188 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:15.759 they had a monarchist foundation that had a tough time. 189 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.039 This is, by the way, the group that supported the 190 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:26.399 Third Reich. I have endless papers on that. They were, 191 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.840 you know, out of Hitler had sarahm Laide was his 192 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.120 Orthodox bishop who was from the centem abroad throughout the 193 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:44.240 entire period of the war, and who was not necessarily 194 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.960 a national socialist, but did appreciate what was being done, 195 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:52.480 especially in reference to the USSR. So this is just 196 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.679 you know, I'm just scratching the surface of this of 197 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.360 this kind of thing. But it's very easy to say 198 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.679 and I think it's correct to say that Russian intellectual 199 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:11.279 life exploded beyond any of what anyone's predictions in the 200 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.279 first thirty forty years of the exile. It's still happening, 201 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.399 I believe it or not. I'm actually a part of 202 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.759 it now because I you know, I converted to it. 203 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.000 I would never have converted to it had this not happened. 204 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.279 Very few people remember prior to even prior to the 205 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.360 Cold War, let alone this period of time, knew anything 206 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:38.559 about Russia. The only Russian language programs that existed in 207 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.639 America prior to the fifties were at Harvard. I think 208 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.360 there was one. There's one of the Naval Academy. It 209 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.600 was a handful I can't remember. There's a handful of 210 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:53.960 other places. That's about it. The immigrants were, or the exiles, 211 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:59.480 were writing history from very different points of view, so 212 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:05.519 Tannian of course, involuntarily joined them. Remember this was during 213 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.080 day Taunt when they threw him out of the country, 214 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:12.919 and he eventually won the Nobel Pride, which still shocks 215 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.320 me because his views on this kind of stuff were 216 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.879 well known. But if you've read The Goola Archipelago, if 217 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.399 you've taken the time you clearly see why. But the 218 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:30.039 American establishment, especially the literary establishment, turned on him pretty quickly. 219 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.440 They liked the more liberal Masonic type of emigrant that 220 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.840 was there, you know, people like Joseph Brodsky. That was 221 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:42.399 their version of Sultzaneedsen, who had a lot of good 222 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.399 things to say against the Soviet Union. But certainly it 223 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:48.840 was nothing close to what Sulton Needsen was. And I've 224 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:53.159 read ridiculous amounts of academic articles on Sultan Needsen and 225 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:57.559 you see Jewish authors, you know, vehemently attacking him. They 226 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.879 didn't trust him, and the FBI didn't trust Somewhere in 227 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.000 my finals, I have the FBI report on they followed 228 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:10.120 these guys around, not just not just Sosnan. You know, 229 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.279 there was nothing the US had no problem with Marxism, 230 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.159 assuming they even knew what it was. They had no 231 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:21.799 problem with Moulcivism ideologically. They certainly had a problem with 232 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.720 Russian nationalism. And these guys were always placed under to 233 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.799 this day. I mean even during COVID, the Senator abroad 234 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.799 Jordanville was placed under suspicion. There was FBI there. So 235 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:38.440 you know, the US certainly wasn't anti communist in that sense. 236 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:42.159 There certainly were anti Russian, and of course I don't know. 237 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.279 Since the war started, I think that's gotten worse and 238 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:50.879 I've kept my distance from it. But this was an 239 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.679 incredibly this period of time incredibly fertile for Russian intellectual thought. 240 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.080 And if you don't know at least a chunk of it, 241 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.279 or you have to you have a special in a 242 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.840 certain narrat, there's so much of it. But you know, 243 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.160 you don't know, You can't know anything about Russia. This 244 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.599 is a big part of Russian history that was happening 245 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.039 outside of Russia itself. 246 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.599 Between nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty four, the most important 247 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.519 form for purely Jewish issues was the Paris Weekly Jewish Tribune, 248 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.039 published in both French and Russian, with the prominent participation 249 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:27.720 of MM Vinever and S. B. Posner. It published articles 250 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.559 by many of the aforementioned journalists from other newspapers. New 251 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.319 Russian World was founded in nineteen ten in the United 252 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.880 States and added its voice from across the ocean. Its 253 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.759 publisher from nineteen twenty was VI. I. Shimpkin, and the 254 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.519 main editor from nineteen twenty two was M. E. Weinbaum. 255 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.559 Weinbaum remembered quote the newspaper was often criticized, and not 256 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:53.079 without reason, but gradually it earned the reader's confidence. Its 257 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.880 massthead now proudly boasts the oldest Russian newspaper in the world. 258 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.759 It is even two years older than Pravda. All the 259 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:04.440 other have died out at various times for various reasons. 260 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.799 Right wing or nationalists. Russian newspapers appeared in Sofia, Prague, 261 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:14.200 and even Suverin's New Times continued in Belgrade as evening times, 262 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.079 but they all either collapsed or withered away without leaving 263 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.920 a lasting contribution. The publisher of the russ in Sofia 264 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:29.079 was killed. The Paris Vorzini of of Yu Semenov did 265 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.079 not shirk from anti Semitic outbursts, but not from Struve's, 266 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.680 but not under Struve's short reign. 267 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:39.519 Well, I think many of your listeners are well aware 268 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:43.279 of what Operation keel Hole was, and we're getting a 269 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:47.839 bit ahead of ourselves here, But a lot of the 270 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:54.559 Russian anti communists who were still in places like Yugoslavia 271 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.680 were sent back to the USSR, and I don't have 272 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.079 to tell you what they what happened to them. So 273 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:09.440 the US took Eisenhower specifically took a huge bite out 274 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.319 of the right wing right. It wasn't just you know, uh, 275 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.359 you know, crow Wats and Serbs and many others. A 276 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:18.960 lot of these guys were sent right back to the 277 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:20.640 to the Google, knowing full well what was going to 278 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.400 happen when then got there. There's some excellent books on 279 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:28.440 keel Hall and unfortunately that's what happened through some of 280 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.359 these newspapers if they weren't smart enough to get out 281 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.480 in time. The US was, you know, by far the 282 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.519 safest place to go. You did have some in Australia, 283 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.519 you had some in Argentina, you had some in all 284 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:50.000 through Latin America. Yeah, it was concentrated in a few places. 285 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:57.839 But now the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was far even more 286 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:02.920 supportive of Third Reich than Russians were. It was tough, 287 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.000 you know, he invaded Russia, regardless of the justification all that, 288 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.480 you know, it's still led to the death. It was 289 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.319 very much harder to support. Ukrainians on the other hand, 290 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.839 were as we all know, very welcoming of of of 291 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.319 the Vermacht, maybe not the s S, but the Veremakt 292 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.079 and they and and many of them were able to 293 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.359 escape to to the US and create the Ukrainian a 294 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:33.319 sephalless Orthodox Church, which at least for a time it 295 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.680 was all right, it wasn't it's not what it is today, 296 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:43.039 and so that that should be pointed out. There was 297 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:49.279 of course a big Ukrainian exile as well, and and 298 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:54.480 the line between the two was, you know, vague. So 299 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:58.079 it was after World War two, or even during the 300 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.599 war that a lot of these institutions and people ended 301 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:01.440 up being wiped out. 302 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.960 Those who left soon after the Bolshevik victory cannot even 303 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.640 imagine the scale of inferno that broke out in Russia. 304 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.599 It was impossible to believe in rumors. Testimonies from the 305 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:18.079 White camp were mostly ignored this change when several Russian 306 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:25.559 democratic journalists, the constitutional democrat cadet av Tikarov, Tchirkova, Williams, 307 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.960 the socialist ed Kushkova, exiled from the USSR in nineteen 308 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:34.799 twenty two and the escaped sr SS Maslov began to 309 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.799 inform the stunned immigrant public about rapid growth of grassroot 310 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:44.920 anti Semitism in Soviet Russia. Quote Judeophobia is one of 311 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.039 the most acrid features of modern Russia, perhaps even the 312 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.000 most acrid Judeophobia is everywhere north, south, east west. It 313 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:57.519 has shared regardless of intellect, party membership, tribe age. Even 314 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:58.720 some Jews share it. 315 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.200 You know, I didn't read this ahead of time, and 316 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.119 I thought, and I think you might have too. The 317 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.400 inferno and rumors. I thought they were going to be 318 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:13.640 talking about, you know, the slaughter of Christians and burning 319 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:15.720 down or turn all that stuff, and they camped and 320 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:20.359 everything else. No, no, no, no, anti Semitism. That's the inferno. 321 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.559 And the scale of this inferno. Now, of course it 322 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.720 was wildly exaggerated, but it did have reason, did have 323 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:37.759 reason to exist. And Sultanesian wasn't shy when he was, 324 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:39.799 you know, even in Soviet and then eventually he was 325 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.759 kicked out. And it's right, and almost every work he 326 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.480 did that you can't get away, You can't run away 327 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.680 from the fact that the camp as a set of 328 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:58.640 institutions was run by almost an exclusively Jewish board. The 329 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.359 police forces. Now this is where they were quite competent. 330 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.640 All those punitive organs, the ideological organs. There it was 331 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.519 a different way. They didn't know anything about agriculture, but 332 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:14.680 here they shine. They knew exactly what they were doing. 333 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.880 And you know, there's a thousand quotes of kind of 334 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.599 ordinary people saying there's no getting getting away from the 335 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:27.200 fact that Jewish names are everywhere. Jews coming back from 336 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.559 any place in the West get jobs. It's like the 337 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.240 head of agricultural production for no reason, you know, in 338 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.720 Kazakhstan or something. Who have, you know, just random people 339 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.319 that this is. They're desperate to get more Jews from 340 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.400 all over the place. We all know that that's the 341 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.680 real source of anti Jewish feeling. I hate using anti 342 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.160 Semitism because they certainly weren't Semites, but we use it 343 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:57.880 just because it's an easier word to use. But to 344 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:01.319 be stunned at this, and it's very possible that you know, 345 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:06.839 a lot of stuff wasn't getting out. There were many 346 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.680 attempts to penetrate to Russian Orthodox churchilch Oide of Russia 347 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.240 and the various royalist groups. Because they were telling the truth. 348 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.200 There was a pipeline. They knew what was what was happening. 349 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.279 But as we see here, you know, if the whites 350 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:24.200 were talking about it, well no one believed them. But 351 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:30.000 democrats meaning liberals or nations or socialism, they said. 352 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:33.960 Something that it was immediately believed These claims were at 353 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.839 first met with suspicion by Jews who had emigrated earlier. 354 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.000 What's the reason for this anti Semitism? The Jewish Tribune 355 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.880 initially rejected these claims. Generally, Russian Jewry suffered from Bolshevism, 356 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:51.680 perhaps more than any other ethnic group in Russia. As 357 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.880 to the familiar identification of Jews and commissars, we all 358 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.559 know that is the work of the Black Hundreds. The 359 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.319 old the old view that anti Semitism resides not in 360 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.880 the people but in Tsarism began to transform into another 361 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.680 that the Russian people are themselves its carriers. Therefore, Bolsheviks 362 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.519 should be credited for the suppression of popular Black Hundred 363 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.960 attitudes in Russia. Others began to excuse even their capitulation 364 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.480 at Breast, At which Russia seeded large amounts of territory 365 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.319 to the Kaiser's German military. The Jewish Tribune in nineteen 366 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.480 twenty four dusted off even such an argument. Quote the 367 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:34.119 Russian Revolution in nineteen seventeen, when it reached Breast Latovsk 368 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:39.119 prevented the much greater and more faithful betrayal planned by 369 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.119 Tsarist Russia. 370 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.519 Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about. Of course, 371 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:49.920 there was no plan whatsoever. It's World War one was 372 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.039 such a World War One really used the cause of 373 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.480 all of this, It had no reason to exist, still, 374 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.839 no real obvious cause. But we know the real cause 375 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.960 of We know why it happened. We know why to 376 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:09.119 natural allies, Germany and Russia. Their monarchs being cousins, knew 377 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.119 each other very well. Of course, you know, those are 378 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:18.319 our Nicholas could speak every European language. He was. You know, 379 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.160 we know why it happened in you know, in reality. 380 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.799 But the average person is is just a slaughter for nothing. 381 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:30.160 As I've said before, no World War One, no revolution. 382 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:31.839 Uh. 383 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.640 They needed that level of displacement, that level of fear, 384 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:40.079 that level of you know, everything fell apart, although I 385 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:42.559 have to admit that there's ours even had some economic 386 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.720 growth during the first year and a half of the war. 387 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:52.000 Things were organized fairly well. But so this became the 388 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.440 it became the excuse, the Black hundred, Black hundred became. 389 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.119 You know, it's like Member Biden talked about white supremacy. 390 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.559 It's it's just a it's a mystic slogan that covers everything. 391 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.000 Lenin talked about it constantly even though there was no 392 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.599 such institution in Russia at all. Whatever there were they were, 393 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.839 they were first of all in Ukraine and they immigrated, 394 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:24.240 were part of the White Armies. But Lenin justified, I mean, 395 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.640 it wasn't like they were shy about this. Lenin justified 396 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.880 the slaughter of churchmen because they were black hundred and 397 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.640 they were anti Semitic. And if they're anti Semitic, that 398 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.200 automatically means they were anti Soviet. He says that so 399 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:41.079 many times, and that connection it proves what we're talking 400 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:48.440 about here. But the Brash Treaty really almost split the 401 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.880