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Speaker 1: This is episode seventy six, Doctor Jnsen, How are you
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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. So all right, picking up where
Speaker 1: we left off last time. The leading literary political magazine,
Speaker 1: Contemporary Notes, published in Paris from nineteen twenty to nineteen forty,
Speaker 1: was established and run by socialist revolutionaries a long list
Speaker 1: of names I'm not going to pronounce. Sedek noted that
Speaker 1: out of its five editors, three were Jews. In seventy
Speaker 1: volumes of the Souvre Mege Sapisky, we see fiction articles
Speaker 1: on various topics and the memoirs of a large number
Speaker 1: of Jewish authors. Illustrated Russia was published by the Saint
Speaker 1: Petersburg journalist M. P. Mironoff and later by B. A. Gordon,
Speaker 1: earlier the owner of Pryozovsky Krai. Its weekly supplement gave
Speaker 1: the readers fifty two pieces of classic or contemporary immigrant
Speaker 1: literature each year. The literary immigrant world also included many
Speaker 1: prominent Russian writers such as Mark Aldanoff, Semyon Yeshkevich, and
Speaker 1: the already mentioned Jabatinsky and Yulie ike Involved m. O.
Speaker 1: Seltzlin Amari. However, the topic of Russian immigrant literature cannot
Speaker 1: be examined in any detail here due to its immenseness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't get through it in three lifetimes. Of course,
Speaker 2: I concentrate mostly on the monarchists and people like that,
Speaker 2: But you had the immigrant literature was so all these
Speaker 2: people did, and as I said before, they spread the
Speaker 2: You know, not these people, of course, but they spread
Speaker 2: Russian orthodoxy and the Russian idea to people who had
Speaker 2: never heard of it before, who knew nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Most people know nothing about it even today. And all
Speaker 2: of these non Russian converts like Saraphim Rose, myself we
Speaker 2: come from this same, this same movement. But he's talking
Speaker 2: here mostly about liberals and leftists who who had their
Speaker 2: falling out with the Soviet Union for various reasons. There
Speaker 2: were a lot of reasons to dislike the USSR, even
Speaker 2: if you were even if you were Jewish, and that
Speaker 2: would only increase when Trotsky was kicked out or left,
Speaker 2: and then later when he was asked literally in his case.
Speaker 1: Here I would like to address the life of Ilya Vondominski,
Speaker 1: born in eighteen eighty, himself from a prosperous merchant family
Speaker 1: and married in his youth to the granddaughter of the
Speaker 1: millionaire tea trader v y Vessotsky. He nonetheless joined the
Speaker 1: Socialist revolutionaries and sacrificed a large part of his wealth
Speaker 1: and his wife's inheritance to the revolution by buying weaponry.
Speaker 1: He worked towards the outbreak of the All Russian Political
Speaker 1: Strike in nineteen oh five, and during the uprisings he
Speaker 1: served in the headquarters of the SRS. He emigrated to Russia.
Speaker 1: From Russia to Paris in nineteen oh six, where he
Speaker 1: became close to d Maryshevsky and Zeke Gippius and developed
Speaker 1: an interest in Christianity. He returned to Saint Petersburg in
Speaker 1: April nineteen seventeen. In the summer in nineteen seventeen, he
Speaker 1: was a Commissaar of the Black Sea Fleet and later
Speaker 1: a delegate. What what.
Speaker 2: He became a commison Oh? Okay, keep going. That came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, all right.
Speaker 1: Let me read that again. In the summer of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventeen he was the Commissar of the Black Sea Fleet
Speaker 1: and later a delegate in the Constituent Assembly, fleeing after
Speaker 1: it was disbanded. From nineteen nineteen he lived in Paris, France.
Speaker 1: During the period under discussion, he devoted much time and
Speaker 1: effort to Souvmigne Zebitski, including publication of a series of
Speaker 1: articles titled The Ways of Russia. He played an active
Speaker 1: role in emigrant culture life and provided all possible supports
Speaker 1: of Russian writers and poets. For a while he even
Speaker 1: managed to maintain a Russian theater in Paris. His passion,
Speaker 1: many sidedness, energy and selflessness were without parallel among emigrants.
Speaker 1: He estranged himself from the SRS and joined Christian Democrats,
Speaker 1: along with a like mind the GP Fedotov and FA Steppen.
Speaker 1: He began to publish The Christian Democratic New City. He
Speaker 1: grew ever closer to Orthodoxy during these years. In June
Speaker 1: nineteen forty he fled Paris from the advancing German forces,
Speaker 1: but came back when was arrested in nineteen forty one
Speaker 1: and sent to compencamp near Paris. By some accounts, he
Speaker 1: converted to Christianity there. In nineteen forty two he was
Speaker 1: deported to Auschwitz and killed.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you had a lot of these. Exile
Speaker 2: does things to people. I know a little bit about it.
Speaker 2: After my divorce wasn't like this, but it does strange
Speaker 2: things to people. You start appreciating what you had that
Speaker 2: you used to condemn, and now you realize, my god,
Speaker 2: I wish I had it again. You had plenty of
Speaker 2: Jews that had given their loyalty to the provisional government
Speaker 2: that was socialist, that was completely secular, and when that
Speaker 2: was overthrown, it was hard for them to join its enemies,
Speaker 2: the Reds, at least right away. You had a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys then immigrating to Europe and America, and yes,
Speaker 2: there were many. Frank is my favorite. See me on
Speaker 2: Frank who did convert a philosopher who I've read many
Speaker 2: many times, Stepoon, who I've read many times. The problem
Speaker 2: with Paris, though, is that a lot of the Russian
Speaker 2: intellectual work there was financed well. He had two problems
Speaker 2: in Paris. The Russian church there came under the Patrick
Speaker 2: of Constantinople, which, as Orthodox people know, is ol He
Speaker 2: was a big problem by this point. It was very
Speaker 2: much a Masonic uh body, far more liberal than anything
Speaker 2: else today. It's an embarrassment. It fully recognized. The Bolsoviks
Speaker 2: demanded that Tecon Saint Tecon support the Living Church, which
Speaker 2: was their fake, early early concept of a church, the
Speaker 2: Living Church, you know, childish mockery of liturgy and things
Speaker 2: like that. But and the other problem was the y
Speaker 2: m c A. The y m c A meant a
Speaker 2: little bit more then than it does now, and they
Speaker 2: financed a huge number of of of publications. I still
Speaker 2: have my offices filled with publications I have y m
Speaker 2: c A. And as a publisher. Their Masonic foundation was
Speaker 2: more evident back then too, So you know, you had
Speaker 2: Masonry from two sides. And I'm not saying there weren't
Speaker 2: some good people. There, weren't patriots there. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that at all. But that was one faction of the immigration.
Speaker 2: I've read wonderful things from there. However, the other group
Speaker 2: were the Karlovti Center, the the traditionalists who eventually, well
Speaker 2: initially we went to went went to Yugoslavia and then Britain,
Speaker 2: then ended up in New York City and became the
Speaker 2: Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia, with their headquarters or their
Speaker 2: intellectual headquarters at Jordanville, and uh it's a bit upstate
Speaker 2: New York. I have many friends there and my books
Speaker 2: are sold there. It's a wonderful place seminary. So those
Speaker 2: were the two two factions. And I'm not including, of course,
Speaker 2: those who were, you know, socialists but could not handle
Speaker 2: how the Soviets were doing things. That's a whole separate
Speaker 2: group of people. And those who fled, you know, same
Speaker 2: John Maximoments initially fled to China. The nationalists China, which
Speaker 2: if you were in that part of the world is
Speaker 2: easier to get to. Some went through Turkey anyway, anyway,
Speaker 2: you could. As things fell apart for the for the
Speaker 2: White Army. So but they all eventually came together either
Speaker 2: in Paris or in New York City, and for once
Speaker 2: in history New York City represented the right wing of something,
Speaker 2: and that was the the Russian Ortho Church Abroad or
Speaker 2: the RCO r rstaurant Sturch outside Russia in exile, whatever
Speaker 2: whatever phrase you want to use, the Parisians. And if
Speaker 2: you read out of literature, especially religious terature from this period,
Speaker 2: they'll make reference to the especially later on in the
Speaker 2: thirties and on, they'll make reference to the Parisians. And
Speaker 2: if you don't know this, you don't know what the
Speaker 2: talking about. But there was no Masonic influence in the
Speaker 2: traditionalist group that left very royalist. They had a military group,
Speaker 2: they had a monarchist foundation that had a tough time.
Speaker 2: This is, by the way, the group that supported the
Speaker 2: Third Reich. I have endless papers on that. They were,
Speaker 2: you know, out of Hitler had sarahm Laide was his
Speaker 2: Orthodox bishop who was from the centem abroad throughout the
Speaker 2: entire period of the war, and who was not necessarily
Speaker 2: a national socialist, but did appreciate what was being done,
Speaker 2: especially in reference to the USSR. So this is just
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just scratching the surface of this of
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. But it's very easy to say
Speaker 2: and I think it's correct to say that Russian intellectual
Speaker 2: life exploded beyond any of what anyone's predictions in the
Speaker 2: first thirty forty years of the exile. It's still happening,
Speaker 2: I believe it or not. I'm actually a part of
Speaker 2: it now because I you know, I converted to it.
Speaker 2: I would never have converted to it had this not happened.
Speaker 2: Very few people remember prior to even prior to the
Speaker 2: Cold War, let alone this period of time, knew anything
Speaker 2: about Russia. The only Russian language programs that existed in
Speaker 2: America prior to the fifties were at Harvard. I think
Speaker 2: there was one. There's one of the Naval Academy. It
Speaker 2: was a handful I can't remember. There's a handful of
Speaker 2: other places. That's about it. The immigrants were, or the exiles,
Speaker 2: were writing history from very different points of view, so
Speaker 2: Tannian of course, involuntarily joined them. Remember this was during
Speaker 2: day Taunt when they threw him out of the country,
Speaker 2: and he eventually won the Nobel Pride, which still shocks
Speaker 2: me because his views on this kind of stuff were
Speaker 2: well known. But if you've read The Goola Archipelago, if
Speaker 2: you've taken the time you clearly see why. But the
Speaker 2: American establishment, especially the literary establishment, turned on him pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: They liked the more liberal Masonic type of emigrant that
Speaker 2: was there, you know, people like Joseph Brodsky. That was
Speaker 2: their version of Sultzaneedsen, who had a lot of good
Speaker 2: things to say against the Soviet Union. But certainly it
Speaker 2: was nothing close to what Sulton Needsen was. And I've
Speaker 2: read ridiculous amounts of academic articles on Sultan Needsen and
Speaker 2: you see Jewish authors, you know, vehemently attacking him. They
Speaker 2: didn't trust him, and the FBI didn't trust Somewhere in
Speaker 2: my finals, I have the FBI report on they followed
Speaker 2: these guys around, not just not just Sosnan. You know,
Speaker 2: there was nothing the US had no problem with Marxism,
Speaker 2: assuming they even knew what it was. They had no
Speaker 2: problem with Moulcivism ideologically. They certainly had a problem with
Speaker 2: Russian nationalism. And these guys were always placed under to
Speaker 2: this day. I mean even during COVID, the Senator abroad
Speaker 2: Jordanville was placed under suspicion. There was FBI there. So
Speaker 2: you know, the US certainly wasn't anti communist in that sense.
Speaker 2: There certainly were anti Russian, and of course I don't know.
Speaker 2: Since the war started, I think that's gotten worse and
Speaker 2: I've kept my distance from it. But this was an
Speaker 2: incredibly this period of time incredibly fertile for Russian intellectual thought.
Speaker 2: And if you don't know at least a chunk of it,
Speaker 2: or you have to you have a special in a
Speaker 2: certain narrat, there's so much of it. But you know,
Speaker 2: you don't know, You can't know anything about Russia. This
Speaker 2: is a big part of Russian history that was happening
Speaker 2: outside of Russia itself.
Speaker 1: Between nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty four, the most important
Speaker 1: form for purely Jewish issues was the Paris Weekly Jewish Tribune,
Speaker 1: published in both French and Russian, with the prominent participation
Speaker 1: of MM Vinever and S. B. Posner. It published articles
Speaker 1: by many of the aforementioned journalists from other newspapers. New
Speaker 1: Russian World was founded in nineteen ten in the United
Speaker 1: States and added its voice from across the ocean. Its
Speaker 1: publisher from nineteen twenty was VI. I. Shimpkin, and the
Speaker 1: main editor from nineteen twenty two was M. E. Weinbaum.
Speaker 1: Weinbaum remembered quote the newspaper was often criticized, and not
Speaker 1: without reason, but gradually it earned the reader's confidence. Its
Speaker 1: massthead now proudly boasts the oldest Russian newspaper in the world.
Speaker 1: It is even two years older than Pravda. All the
Speaker 1: other have died out at various times for various reasons.
Speaker 1: Right wing or nationalists. Russian newspapers appeared in Sofia, Prague,
Speaker 1: and even Suverin's New Times continued in Belgrade as evening times,
Speaker 1: but they all either collapsed or withered away without leaving
Speaker 1: a lasting contribution. The publisher of the russ in Sofia
Speaker 1: was killed. The Paris Vorzini of of Yu Semenov did
Speaker 1: not shirk from anti Semitic outbursts, but not from Struve's,
Speaker 1: but not under Struve's short reign.
Speaker 2: Well, I think many of your listeners are well aware
Speaker 2: of what Operation keel Hole was, and we're getting a
Speaker 2: bit ahead of ourselves here, But a lot of the
Speaker 2: Russian anti communists who were still in places like Yugoslavia
Speaker 2: were sent back to the USSR, and I don't have
Speaker 2: to tell you what they what happened to them. So
Speaker 2: the US took Eisenhower specifically took a huge bite out
Speaker 2: of the right wing right. It wasn't just you know, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, crow Wats and Serbs and many others. A
Speaker 2: lot of these guys were sent right back to the
Speaker 2: to the Google, knowing full well what was going to
Speaker 2: happen when then got there. There's some excellent books on
Speaker 2: keel Hall and unfortunately that's what happened through some of
Speaker 2: these newspapers if they weren't smart enough to get out
Speaker 2: in time. The US was, you know, by far the
Speaker 2: safest place to go. You did have some in Australia,
Speaker 2: you had some in Argentina, you had some in all
Speaker 2: through Latin America. Yeah, it was concentrated in a few places.
Speaker 2: But now the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was far even more
Speaker 2: supportive of Third Reich than Russians were. It was tough,
Speaker 2: you know, he invaded Russia, regardless of the justification all that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's still led to the death. It was
Speaker 2: very much harder to support. Ukrainians on the other hand,
Speaker 2: were as we all know, very welcoming of of of
Speaker 2: the Vermacht, maybe not the s S, but the Veremakt
Speaker 2: and they and and many of them were able to
Speaker 2: escape to to the US and create the Ukrainian a
Speaker 2: sephalless Orthodox Church, which at least for a time it
Speaker 2: was all right, it wasn't it's not what it is today,
Speaker 2: and so that that should be pointed out. There was
Speaker 2: of course a big Ukrainian exile as well, and and
Speaker 2: the line between the two was, you know, vague. So
Speaker 2: it was after World War two, or even during the
Speaker 2: war that a lot of these institutions and people ended
Speaker 2: up being wiped out.
Speaker 1: Those who left soon after the Bolshevik victory cannot even
Speaker 1: imagine the scale of inferno that broke out in Russia.
Speaker 1: It was impossible to believe in rumors. Testimonies from the
Speaker 1: White camp were mostly ignored this change when several Russian
Speaker 1: democratic journalists, the constitutional democrat cadet av Tikarov, Tchirkova, Williams,
Speaker 1: the socialist ed Kushkova, exiled from the USSR in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty two and the escaped sr SS Maslov began to
Speaker 1: inform the stunned immigrant public about rapid growth of grassroot
Speaker 1: anti Semitism in Soviet Russia. Quote Judeophobia is one of
Speaker 1: the most acrid features of modern Russia, perhaps even the
Speaker 1: most acrid Judeophobia is everywhere north, south, east west. It
Speaker 1: has shared regardless of intellect, party membership, tribe age. Even
Speaker 1: some Jews share it.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't read this ahead of time, and
Speaker 2: I thought, and I think you might have too. The
Speaker 2: inferno and rumors. I thought they were going to be
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, the slaughter of Christians and burning
Speaker 2: down or turn all that stuff, and they camped and
Speaker 2: everything else. No, no, no, no, anti Semitism. That's the inferno.
Speaker 2: And the scale of this inferno. Now, of course it
Speaker 2: was wildly exaggerated, but it did have reason, did have
Speaker 2: reason to exist. And Sultanesian wasn't shy when he was,
Speaker 2: you know, even in Soviet and then eventually he was
Speaker 2: kicked out. And it's right, and almost every work he
Speaker 2: did that you can't get away, You can't run away
Speaker 2: from the fact that the camp as a set of
Speaker 2: institutions was run by almost an exclusively Jewish board. The
Speaker 2: police forces. Now this is where they were quite competent.
Speaker 2: All those punitive organs, the ideological organs. There it was
Speaker 2: a different way. They didn't know anything about agriculture, but
Speaker 2: here they shine. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's a thousand quotes of kind of
Speaker 2: ordinary people saying there's no getting getting away from the
Speaker 2: fact that Jewish names are everywhere. Jews coming back from
Speaker 2: any place in the West get jobs. It's like the
Speaker 2: head of agricultural production for no reason, you know, in
Speaker 2: Kazakhstan or something. Who have, you know, just random people
Speaker 2: that this is. They're desperate to get more Jews from
Speaker 2: all over the place. We all know that that's the
Speaker 2: real source of anti Jewish feeling. I hate using anti
Speaker 2: Semitism because they certainly weren't Semites, but we use it
Speaker 2: just because it's an easier word to use. But to
Speaker 2: be stunned at this, and it's very possible that you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff wasn't getting out. There were many
Speaker 2: attempts to penetrate to Russian Orthodox churchilch Oide of Russia
Speaker 2: and the various royalist groups. Because they were telling the truth.
Speaker 2: There was a pipeline. They knew what was what was happening.
Speaker 2: But as we see here, you know, if the whites
Speaker 2: were talking about it, well no one believed them. But
Speaker 2: democrats meaning liberals or nations or socialism, they said.
Speaker 1: Something that it was immediately believed These claims were at
Speaker 1: first met with suspicion by Jews who had emigrated earlier.
Speaker 1: What's the reason for this anti Semitism? The Jewish Tribune
Speaker 1: initially rejected these claims. Generally, Russian Jewry suffered from Bolshevism,
Speaker 1: perhaps more than any other ethnic group in Russia. As
Speaker 1: to the familiar identification of Jews and commissars, we all
Speaker 1: know that is the work of the Black Hundreds. The
Speaker 1: old the old view that anti Semitism resides not in
Speaker 1: the people but in Tsarism began to transform into another
Speaker 1: that the Russian people are themselves its carriers. Therefore, Bolsheviks
Speaker 1: should be credited for the suppression of popular Black Hundred
Speaker 1: attitudes in Russia. Others began to excuse even their capitulation
Speaker 1: at Breast, At which Russia seeded large amounts of territory
Speaker 1: to the Kaiser's German military. The Jewish Tribune in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty four dusted off even such an argument. Quote the
Speaker 1: Russian Revolution in nineteen seventeen, when it reached Breast Latovsk
Speaker 1: prevented the much greater and more faithful betrayal planned by
Speaker 1: Tsarist Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about. Of course,
Speaker 2: there was no plan whatsoever. It's World War one was
Speaker 2: such a World War One really used the cause of
Speaker 2: all of this, It had no reason to exist, still,
Speaker 2: no real obvious cause. But we know the real cause
Speaker 2: of We know why it happened. We know why to
Speaker 2: natural allies, Germany and Russia. Their monarchs being cousins, knew
Speaker 2: each other very well. Of course, you know, those are
Speaker 2: our Nicholas could speak every European language. He was. You know,
Speaker 2: we know why it happened in you know, in reality.
Speaker 2: But the average person is is just a slaughter for nothing.
Speaker 2: As I've said before, no World War One, no revolution.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They needed that level of displacement, that level of fear,
Speaker 2: that level of you know, everything fell apart, although I
Speaker 2: have to admit that there's ours even had some economic
Speaker 2: growth during the first year and a half of the war.
Speaker 2: Things were organized fairly well. But so this became the
Speaker 2: it became the excuse, the Black hundred, Black hundred became.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like Member Biden talked about white supremacy.
Speaker 2: It's it's just a it's a mystic slogan that covers everything.
Speaker 2: Lenin talked about it constantly even though there was no
Speaker 2: such institution in Russia at all. Whatever there were they were,
Speaker 2: they were first of all in Ukraine and they immigrated,
Speaker 2: were part of the White Armies. But Lenin justified, I mean,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like they were shy about this. Lenin justified
Speaker 2: the slaughter of churchmen because they were black hundred and
Speaker 2: they were anti Semitic. And if they're anti Semitic, that
Speaker 2: automatically means they were anti Soviet. He says that so
Speaker 2: many times, and that connection it proves what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here. But the Brash Treaty really almost split the
Speaker 2: Bolshevik Party in two because Trotsky, at least now this
Speaker 2: may know, this may have been more of an act,
Speaker 2: but Lenin of course signed it. Trotsky was iffy about
Speaker 2: it because it gave not only Russian land to Germany,
Speaker 2: but but to Russia's most industrialized sections to Germany. And
Speaker 2: if that didn't bring down the Bosvia government, then apparently
Speaker 2: nothing would. But that was the the price you paid
Speaker 2: for getting out of World War One. But this this
Speaker 2: outrageous narcissism that they've they've suffered more than any other group.
Speaker 2: And and this is the argument we just you just
Speaker 2: read it they suffered more than any other group in
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union because they run the Soviet Union. They're
Speaker 2: the commissars, they run everything, so even if they run something,
Speaker 2: they're still victims. I did my Daily Nationalist on Radio
Speaker 2: Albion yesterday on on netanyahu speech at the u N
Speaker 2: last Friday, and it's one long, very bizarre, very angry
Speaker 2: screed claiming to be victims as they're torturing and destroying
Speaker 2: everything in their path and losing at the same time.
Speaker 2: And it just that they're they're pathologically incapable of being
Speaker 2: able to see themselves at self reflection unless it's done
Speaker 2: in the most distorted possible way. The handful that are
Speaker 2: capable of it end up converting or being self self
Speaker 2: hating Jews, as as a nationalist might say, how, I
Speaker 2: don't know how many there are, but but they seem
Speaker 2: they demanded of everyone else, but absolutely are incapable of it.
Speaker 2: And to this day, well even throughout the history the
Speaker 2: Soviet right up until Khrushev, Jews are wondered why did
Speaker 2: they hate us so much? Having no conception, why why
Speaker 2: do the Arabs hate us so much? As that Yahoo
Speaker 2: would ask, having no clue as to why. And there's
Speaker 2: something about the Kasar mentality that that just can't it
Speaker 2: is pathological that can't do this. I'm telling you. Willis
Speaker 2: Cardo used to say, the Jews don't see the world
Speaker 2: as we do, and he means at a fundamental level.
Speaker 2: We're walk into his office one day and he holds
Speaker 2: up the picture Jackson Pollock, one of his crazy nonsense paintings.
Speaker 2: He says, you know, I think only you can come
Speaker 2: up with this and call it art. This is the
Speaker 2: distorted view of the world that kas are being being
Speaker 2: related to the Kasars create. It's just we're not dealing
Speaker 2: From the beginning of this series here we've learned the
Speaker 2: Jews aren't normal people, and certainly not when they reach
Speaker 2: a certain amount of influence or numbers or wealth in
Speaker 2: a country, and you can't treat them like they're normal people.
Speaker 2: And still wondering why there was anti semitism in in
Speaker 2: the USSR, or why the Arabs hate the Israelis, feel
Speaker 2: no clue either. They're you know, coming up with the
Speaker 2: craziest theories. It's there's something it's I don't I don't
Speaker 2: think that they're I don't think they're deliberately being outrageous.
Speaker 2: I think they really don't.
Speaker 1: Know they ever noticed that. One of the Zionist arguments
Speaker 1: against the Palestinians is that when they go to another country,
Speaker 1: when they have in masks on to like Jordan or
Speaker 1: some or Egypt, they become sub verses and revolutionaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they don't ye, I've heard that argument mentioned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean talk about you know, they projection, crying
Speaker 3: out in pain as they strike you, not being able
Speaker 3: to recognize that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe these are your people. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: there's another group that where whatever country they go to,
Speaker 1: they become subversive and revolutionaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of psychology that needs to be
Speaker 2: brought to bear here. And the defense mechanisms, obviously, the
Speaker 2: refusal to see themselves critically, that's a certain defense mechanism.
Speaker 2: It's neurotic. I mean, would the Allen be the first
Speaker 2: person to say we're a neurotic group of people who
Speaker 2: could be more neurotic than him. But you know, defense
Speaker 2: mechanisms are a manifestation of neuroticism and projection. The inability
Speaker 2: to see the flaw or the vice or the evil
Speaker 2: on oneself means that they end up projecting it onto others,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what they're doing. I don't care where
Speaker 2: they go. And it's not just individuals, but it's parties
Speaker 2: and governments that are capable of doing this. The ruling
Speaker 2: class in America project all of its own problems onto
Speaker 2: Russia and China precisely what's going on, their failures precisely
Speaker 2: in detail they impose on other countries that can't be
Speaker 2: a coincidence. And I've gotten into this in great detail,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, this doesn't explain the entire thing,
Speaker 2: but there is a psychological element here. The Jews created
Speaker 2: that field, and it not very much at the time,
Speaker 2: especially dominated by Jews. It was a power center of Theirs,
Speaker 2: and we haven't gotten to it yet, but eventually be
Speaker 2: discipline of psychiatry and psychology will be used to support
Speaker 2: the USSR as a police matter in that country. And
Speaker 2: I have a very lengthy paper on which I could
Speaker 2: I should probably send you. We'll get to it eventually
Speaker 2: on how psychiatry was used to criminalize dissent, and I
Speaker 2: think it was very interesting. But you had plenty of
Speaker 2: psychologists in the West who realized that, including Jews like Bloom.
Speaker 2: You know. So there is a psychological angle here, but
Speaker 2: it's just so, you know, narcissism, Yeah, that's the part
Speaker 2: of it. But no that this neuroticism is very specific,
Speaker 2: and I see projection all the time. Since they can't
Speaker 2: look at themselves, they have no choice but to project.
Speaker 1: Yet the information was gradually confirmed. Moreover, anti Jewish sentiments
Speaker 1: spread over a large segment of Russian emigration. The Union
Speaker 1: for Russian Salvation, dedicated to the Crown Prince Nikolaevitch, produced
Speaker 1: leaflets for distribution in the USSR in a manner like
Speaker 1: this quote to the Red Army, the Jews have ruled
Speaker 1: Great Russia for seven years. To Russian workers, you were
Speaker 1: assured that you would be the masters of the country,
Speaker 1: that it will be the dictatorship of the proletariat. Where
Speaker 1: is it then? Where is it then? Who is in
Speaker 1: power in all the cities of the republic. Of course,
Speaker 1: these leaflets did not reach the USSR, but they scared
Speaker 1: and offended Jewish emigrants.
Speaker 2: Well, some did. I've read in some great detail about
Speaker 2: how some of these things were snuck in. They did
Speaker 2: have a pipeline in certain areas. You did have the
Speaker 2: underground church in the USSR. That functioned really throughout his history,
Speaker 2: the Russian True Orthodox Church, who had its own hierarchy
Speaker 2: and everything who functioned underground. There's been many books. Vladimir
Speaker 2: Moss has been very good about that. I haven't written
Speaker 2: on them, but he has. And now since of course
Speaker 2: the fall of Marxism, they've come to the surface and
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of them and they now know
Speaker 2: they bicker. But so there was a pipeline and everything
Speaker 2: that they said here just in this small set of
Speaker 2: slogans are absolutely right. Everything that Lenin promised, of course,
Speaker 2: and he knew this at the time. This was never
Speaker 2: about labor. It wasn't about the workers. Marxist never met
Speaker 2: a worker before, got it. It was created by Marxian
Speaker 2: Engles Angles was a factory owner who took advantage of
Speaker 2: the women in his factory. You know, he was like
Speaker 2: a stereotype. It never had to do with it the
Speaker 2: proletariat with an abstract kind of where we've talked about
Speaker 2: this already several times, but in no other country on
Speaker 2: the planet. I think, what was labor more exploited than
Speaker 2: during the Solemnist Soviet Union and even have been afterwards.
Speaker 1: Slatovsev wrote in the beginning of nineteen twenty is anti
Speaker 1: Semitism among emigrants became almost an illness, a sort of
Speaker 1: delirium tremens. But it was a broader attitude, as many
Speaker 1: in Europe during the first years after the Bolshevik victory
Speaker 1: rejected it damn the Jews, so that the identification of
Speaker 1: Bolshevism with Judaism became a widespread part of European thought.
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous to assert that it is only anti
Speaker 1: Semites preach it is only anti Semites preached this social
Speaker 1: political heresy. But could it be that the conclusions of
Speaker 1: doctor Pasmannik were somehow premature? Yet this is what he
Speaker 1: wrote in nineteen twenty two. Quote in the whole civilized world,
Speaker 1: among all nations and social classes and political parties, it
Speaker 1: is the established opinion now that Jews played the crucial
Speaker 1: role in the appearance and in all manifestations of Bolshevism.
Speaker 1: Personal experience tells that this is the opinion not only
Speaker 1: of downright anti Semites, but also that representatives of the
Speaker 1: democratic public reference these claims i e. To the role
Speaker 1: of Jews not only in Russian Bolshevism, but also in Hungary,
Speaker 1: Germany and everywhere else that has happened. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the downright anti Semites care little for truth. For them,
Speaker 1: all Bolsheviks or Jews, and all Jews are Bolsheviks.
Speaker 2: Well, I think downright anti you know, it's a terrible
Speaker 2: choice of words, but downright anti Semites. I think he's
Speaker 2: talking about the less educated who think in very simple terms.
Speaker 2: You know, they're always a problem. You know, they quote
Speaker 2: a couple of memorized slogans from the Talmud, and if
Speaker 2: they come up against the Jew who knows it, they're
Speaker 2: going to get destroyed because they don't they have no
Speaker 2: follow up. They don't know. But referring to Bolsabin, it
Speaker 2: was a Jewish movement, it was massively. They were massively
Speaker 2: represented there. It wasn't exclusively so, but damn it were
Speaker 2: a huge far more than their percentage of the population,
Speaker 2: far more in Hungary again, it was almost exclusive. In Germany,
Speaker 2: in the Bavarian Republic, again it was almost exclusive. This
Speaker 2: is no coincidence. So if you're a professor at American
Speaker 2: University and you mean you're not, you can't come across this.
Speaker 2: You will never come across this argument. If you use
Speaker 2: Google or the established textbooks, so they really don't know.
Speaker 2: So when they hear it, it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like being being being really oh my god, the earth
Speaker 2: is really flat, really or something like that, you know,
Speaker 2: being found something. You know, they don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: They're very soft intellectually, and so they react a you know,
Speaker 2: with extreme reactions of temper, tantrums or whatever. This is
Speaker 2: why they needed laws. They need laws now in the
Speaker 2: EU to keep any of this from from coming out.
Speaker 2: That's why everything is censored. Your typical academic or journalists,
Speaker 2: they lead a very you know, sanitized and censored life.
Speaker 2: These inconvenient facts are never brought to their attention, and
Speaker 2: if they are, it's always in the form of the
Speaker 2: downright anti semi the caricature of the idiot, you know
Speaker 2: who just calls names, the terrible names and slurs and
Speaker 2: everything else. That's what they think. And then they come
Speaker 2: across well someone like me or you, it's a very
Speaker 2: different story. They don't know what to do. And when
Speaker 2: you are you know, I've always said that I.
Speaker 1: You know, to.
Speaker 2: Promote myself a little bit. I was specifically dangerous because
Speaker 2: I knew their arguments inside and out. I went all
Speaker 2: through grad school. I know them very well. Yet they
Speaker 2: don't know ours at all. They probably never heard our
Speaker 2: point of view being being competently made public in an
Speaker 2: articulate way. It's quite possible that this book two hundred
Speaker 2: years together. I guarantee you that most of the Jews,
Speaker 2: the lyric Jews in the world, have ever read this.
Speaker 2: And it created a huge stir. And then this all
Speaker 2: they did was demand more laws, more prisons, longer prison terms.
Speaker 2: The rabbis would, you know, desecrate their own synagogue so
Speaker 2: they could, you know, and claim that there was an
Speaker 2: Indio Sumitic group in the country that did it. You know, again,
Speaker 2: it ends up with pure neuroticism. But you're plenty of Jews,
Speaker 2: and here we have one here who you know, eventually
Speaker 2: they have to come to admit it. But still in
Speaker 2: the EU you can't talk about it. Russia you can
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. In America you can
Speaker 2: talk about it. But not in academia, as I know
Speaker 2: way too well.
Speaker 1: Bakerman wrote a year later, quote waves of Judeo phobia
Speaker 1: now roll over nations and peoples with no end in sight,
Speaker 1: not just in Bavaria or hungry not only in the
Speaker 1: nation's forms from the ruins of the One that's Great Russia,
Speaker 1: but also in countries separated from Russia by continents and
Speaker 1: oceans and untouched by the turmoil. Japanese academics came to
Speaker 1: Germany to get acquainted with anti Semitic literature. There is
Speaker 1: interest in us even on distant islands where almost no
Speaker 1: Jews live. Precisely, Judeophobia, the fear of the jew destroyer
Speaker 1: Russia's miserable fate serves as the material evidence to frighten
Speaker 1: and enrage in the collective Declaration to the Jews of
Speaker 1: the world. The authors Warren never have so many clouds
Speaker 1: gathered above the Jewish people. Should we conclude that these
Speaker 1: authors exaggerated, that they were too sensitive, that they imagined
Speaker 1: the non existent threat. Yet doesn't the above mentioned warning
Speaker 1: about anti Semitic literature in Germany sound very scary in
Speaker 1: retrospect from our historical perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, we know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the central point in modern Jewish history.
Speaker 2: But this is just more of the same. Now, I've
Speaker 2: never heard of Japanese academics coming to Germany for this,
Speaker 2: you know, they've resisted, you knowing migrants in it's very
Speaker 2: homogenous as of South Korea, they've resisted that. I have
Speaker 2: the feeling they know who's behind it. In Chinese, Chinese
Speaker 2: journals in English, of course they talk about it sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, we get away with it. It's not a
Speaker 2: big deal, but they know it. They're But if you
Speaker 2: go back to my well, we actually talked about on
Speaker 2: your show on Mexico, the Seinbaum case, that that family,
Speaker 2: the Communist Party of Cuba and Mexico was created by Jews,
Speaker 2: this tiny little group of Jews. It was a handful,
Speaker 2: yet they still created the Communist Party that eventually took
Speaker 2: over Cuba and tried to take over Mexico and elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And because of the Jew destroyer. Well, that's accurate, and
Speaker 2: it's idiotic for someone to say to you with then
Speaker 2: all that ways, I hate how stupid you have to
Speaker 2: be to say that. That's no, I'm not We're not
Speaker 2: talking about individuals, talking about a group of people, their
Speaker 2: collective force. I'm not talking about the Knight on the
Speaker 2: street here. But they're destroyers because they know no order.
Speaker 2: They they've rejected logos without Christianity. Of course they would
Speaker 2: have nothing to destroy uh and and their rejection of Logos,
Speaker 2: it's the rejection of Christ, the second person of the Trinity,
Speaker 2: who is Logos. The blotonic forms essentially all brought to
Speaker 2: one location. The very contours of creation found in him.
Speaker 2: Creation was through him. Therefore they could have paintings like
Speaker 2: Jackson Pollock and see the world in a very very
Speaker 2: different way. This is why the Kabbala is based around
Speaker 2: the end soft. You get to know the Kabala a
Speaker 2: little bit. The end soft isn't God. It's the void
Speaker 2: as right, not the void, it's the flux. It's a
Speaker 2: nothing that only a certain the rabbis, the grant leaders
Speaker 2: can can impose their will on and create something out
Speaker 2: of it. That's the view of the world. That and
Speaker 2: many Gentiles don't know anything about this, and it's very
Speaker 2: difficult to put yourself in that position. And I guess
Speaker 2: nominalism came out of this a little bit. So it's
Speaker 2: just and I think the Japanese did realize. In Indonesia,
Speaker 2: for example, and I did a paper on Suharto back
Speaker 2: in college. One of my favorite Asian leaders the Communist
Speaker 2: Party of Indonesia, which almost took over and it would
Speaker 2: have been a complete disaster for the world. Being the
Speaker 2: fourth largest country in the world at least today was
Speaker 2: run up by Indonesians. These were Dutchmen, overwhelmingly Jewish, and
Speaker 2: so that's where the Japanese got the idea that maybe
Speaker 2: we have to study these people, we have to find
Speaker 2: out who the hell they are. They did business there,
Speaker 2: and of course the Chinese knew them very well. Through
Speaker 2: the opium wars, you know, free trade essentially meant forcing
Speaker 2: opium on the Chinese people. Well, who was running that.
Speaker 2: It was the Sassoon family who ran the British East
Speaker 2: India Company that was growing the stuff out of India
Speaker 2: the British colonies of India and forcing it on the
Speaker 2: Chinese population, who had, by the way, destroyed their the
Speaker 2: effects of opium in China for a while. That pissed
Speaker 2: them off. Where a product where our profits are going away?
Speaker 2: So this is called free trade, by the way forced
Speaker 2: on them. And the Sassoon family, of course was Jewish
Speaker 2: related to the Rothschilds. So so even if only directly,
Speaker 2: Asian peoples also realized that the jew destroyer is something
Speaker 2: very real and we have to learn about it every
Speaker 2: once in a while. You'll hear an Asian leader say
Speaker 2: something about the Jews or Hitler that gets them into
Speaker 2: some trouble and they don't care. But like the other
Speaker 2: great Asian leader in general, Park Shung Heave South Korea
Speaker 2: had Hitler is one of his models. When he rebuilt
Speaker 2: South Korea from a third world country to a first
Speaker 2: World country in five years. Hitler and Napoleon were his
Speaker 2: two big models. So he's absolutely right to bring this
Speaker 2: stuff up. The Jews are absolutely right to bring this
Speaker 2: stuff up. But they just don't know. They just don't
Speaker 2: realize that, Yeah, it's because you're a destroyer that this
Speaker 2: is happening.
Speaker 1: The opinion that Jews created Bolshevism was already so widespread
Speaker 1: in Europe. This was the quote average opinion of French
Speaker 1: and English philistines. Endspanic notes that it was supported even
Speaker 1: by Plekanoff's son in law, George Bato, who claims in
Speaker 1: his book that Jews are inherently revolutionaries. Quote. As Judaism
Speaker 1: preaches an ideal of social justice on earth, it has
Speaker 1: to support revolution. Pasmanic cites Bato quote, over the centuries,
Speaker 1: Jews have always been against the established order. This does
Speaker 1: not mean that Jews carried out all the revolutions, or
Speaker 1: that they were always the sole or even main instigators.
Speaker 1: They helped the revolutions and participate in them. One can
Speaker 1: responsibly claim, as many Russian patriots, often from very progressive circles, do,
Speaker 1: that Russia now agonizes under the power of Jewish dictatorship
Speaker 1: and Jewish terror. Impartial analysis of the worldwide situation shows
Speaker 1: the rebirth of anti Semitism, not so much against Jews
Speaker 1: as individuals as against the manifestations of the Jewish spirit.
Speaker 2: Wow, I just said that I didn't even read ahead,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: The Englishman Hilaire Belloch similarly wrote about the Jewish character
Speaker 1: of Bolshevik revolution or simply the Jewish revolution in Russia.
Speaker 1: Pas Manic adds that anyone who has lived in England
Speaker 1: recently knows that Belloc's opinion is not marginal. The books
Speaker 1: of both authors, Botsan Beloch are enormously popular with the public.
Speaker 1: Journalists all over the world argue that all the destructive
Speaker 1: ideas of the past hundred years are spread by Jews
Speaker 1: through precisely Judaism.
Speaker 2: And this is something even Churchill wrote about it. But
Speaker 2: then something happened. Yes, this was a widespread argument it
Speaker 2: didn't affect Jewish prosperity though, it just made them more cohesive.
Speaker 2: But something happened. We both know what that thing was
Speaker 2: World War Two and what came out of World War two.
Speaker 2: And it was the results of World War Two that
Speaker 2: caused almost every problem we have today. That all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this mentality was banned and destroyed and mocked.
Speaker 2: Uh and and the the the the the Holocaust and
Speaker 2: all that. This was destroyed in just a few years,
Speaker 2: This caricature of of of Hitler that was painted and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, by the Western press and everything else. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden this went away, and within a few years,
Speaker 2: a few decades, it became illegal to even talk about.
Speaker 2: And yet just a few years before, it was a
Speaker 2: perfectly normal opinion especter in Catholic circles, Orthodox exiles, you're
Speaker 2: working Anglican, Conservative Anglicans and Lutherans. It was normal stuff.
Speaker 2: Of course, this is true, This isn't debatable. This is
Speaker 2: something that you know. That's what they are. They are
Speaker 2: inherently against order because their their entire world is against Christ.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's where they cut their teeth. Without Christians,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what they be doing without us, they'd
Speaker 2: be killing each other. And Jews really sometime when they
Speaker 2: start fighting each other, I'm telling you, I've seen this myself.
Speaker 2: They they can't stop and so uh uh so, and
Speaker 2: these are these are liberals talking like this at the time,
Speaker 2: and we have you know, you've seen all the thousands
Speaker 2: of quotes against against the Jews and people. You don't
Speaker 2: expect the manual kant of all people, you know, the
Speaker 2: Ultimate Enlightenment sort of it. Oh, the Ultimate Enlightenment philosopher
Speaker 2: would actually put it to bed. But uh talks about them,
Speaker 2: they do business with them, but no one likes them
Speaker 2: because everyone knew what they were. It took the trauma
Speaker 2: of World War two to change that. And maybe, just
Speaker 2: maybe the situation in Gaza is now the reversal of this.
Speaker 1: I hope one last paragraph and then it looks like
Speaker 1: we have a natural break. Alrighty, we must defend ourselves
Speaker 1: pasmanic rights because we cannot deny obvious facts. We cannot
Speaker 1: just declare that the Jewish people are not to blame
Speaker 1: for the acts of this or that individual jew. Our
Speaker 1: goal is not only an argument with anti Semites, but
Speaker 1: also a struggle with Bolshevism not only to parry blows,
Speaker 1: but to inflict them on those proclaiming the kingdom of Ham.
Speaker 1: To fight against Ham is the duty of Jfath and
Speaker 1: Shem and of Helen, helen Is and Hebrews. Where should
Speaker 1: we look for the real roots of Bolshevism. Bolshevism is
Speaker 1: primarily an anti cultural force. It is both a Russian
Speaker 1: and a global problem, and not the machinations of the
Speaker 1: notorious elders of Zion.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, my opinion on that ladder, the
Speaker 2: yeldows of Zion and is so idiotic. You know, as
Speaker 2: I always say, if the Jews are more they're not
Speaker 2: upset really by what it says, but the claim that
Speaker 2: their elders, their ultimate intellectuals, would write like that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what they get mad about, would write in such
Speaker 2: crude terms, and that sometimes used to beat us over
Speaker 2: the head with like those of us who are against
Speaker 2: evolution had the flat earth nonsense beating over our heads.
Speaker 2: You know, Uh, this is this is the rhetoric that
Speaker 2: they like to use, and no one needed you could
Speaker 2: people say that for example, well we know it's wasn't
Speaker 2: really from that organization, but a lot of stuff in
Speaker 2: there is isual turned out to be true. But we
Speaker 2: didn't need that document. That was being talked about already.
Speaker 2: Everyone knew about that, certainly in Russia. And you know,
Speaker 2: I read about how this guy, how this guy writes,
Speaker 2: And there was a day that intellectual people, educated people
Speaker 2: would know what phrases like to fight against him, the
Speaker 2: duty of Japathan Shem and Hellington Hebrews. Today, university professors
Speaker 2: Jennifiger know what that means. But that was an education
Speaker 2: way back then. That was what it meant to be educated,
Speaker 2: to be talked like then. But there was another war
Speaker 2: that was needed to break what was left. That was
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War in America. Again, without wars, you don't
Speaker 2: have revolution. The Left took over the US in great
Speaker 2: extent due to the Vietnam War. They needed that kind
Speaker 2: of dislocation, that kind of confusion and chaos, and that's
Speaker 2: where the Jew really thrives. But I'm sick and tired
Speaker 2: of this. They're not all like that. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. We're not talking about every single individual.
Speaker 2: We're talking about them as a as a spirit, as
Speaker 2: an entity, as a group. We're not talking about them
Speaker 2: as as a whole bunch of you know whatever. It
Speaker 2: is sixteen million individuals. But that's your typical American normy,
Speaker 2: a boomer type of reply to anything against the Jews.
Speaker 2: They really can't they can't debate it. They probably know
Speaker 2: it's true, but well they're not all like that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: My dentist is such a nice guy, and I say,
Speaker 2: you have to say, you're a grown man, and I
Speaker 2: have to explain the difference between an individual and a
Speaker 2: group to you, a phrase I've used many times and
Speaker 2: it doesn't make me a lot of friends, but you know,
Speaker 2: that's where we are. But that's also part of the
Speaker 2: Jewish destructive spirit to have this e Michael Jones is
Speaker 2: one of his most famous books is a Jewish Revolutionary Spirit,
Speaker 2: which I recommend to anyone who hasn't already read it.
Speaker 2: He's not even a historian, and yet he gets it
Speaker 2: right every time. So this was kind of normal discourse
Speaker 2: back then, and it took World War Two to break
Speaker 2: this entirely. That trauma broke it entirely, the Holocaust and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, the Soviet propaganda, they needed all of
Speaker 2: that to break this trend, and eventually make it illegal.
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