WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.980 --> 00:00:03.690 We're all owned by the Syndicate, body and soul. 2 00:00:04.549 --> 00:00:05.950 Or should I just say body? 3 00:00:11.130 --> 00:00:18.589 Hello, filthy movie lovers, something weirdos, and anti-criterion bros, to 4 00:00:18.629 --> 00:00:23.879 the 45th episode of The Sin Syndicate, which can always 5 00:00:23.949 --> 00:00:28.120 be found on a border's end cap, and will always 6 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:32.240 go to bat for the big snatch. My name is 7 00:00:32.299 --> 00:00:36.850 Gentry Austin, writer and researcher, and I'm here with my co-host, 8 00:00:37.109 --> 00:00:42.109 adult film historian Casey Scott. And in this week's episode, 9 00:00:42.210 --> 00:00:45.909 we will be returning to the early aughts for a 10 00:00:45.990 --> 00:00:52.670 look at the DVD era, specifically the legendary partnership between 11 00:00:52.969 --> 00:00:59.670 Image Entertainment and Something Weird Video. a collaboration which brought 12 00:00:59.729 --> 00:01:04.019 many of our sexploitation faves to disc for the very 13 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:10.959 first time, jam-packed with extras and carefully programmed with thematic 14 00:01:11.060 --> 00:01:15.379 double and triple features. We're going to be talking with 15 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:20.530 someone who was there, Nathaniel Thompson. Someone who has been 16 00:01:20.650 --> 00:01:24.290 in the trenches fighting for B and Z grade movies 17 00:01:24.349 --> 00:01:28.650 since the earliest days. He's a frequent contributor to home 18 00:01:28.689 --> 00:01:33.010 video releases and is the webmaster and editor in charge 19 00:01:33.129 --> 00:01:40.140 of our favorite website, Mondo Digital. We are super excited 20 00:01:40.219 --> 00:01:45.099 to chat with Nat. But before we travel back in time, 21 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:50.569 we've got another guest lined up. Eli Oldsberg from our 22 00:01:50.650 --> 00:01:57.670 podcast network partner, Punk Vacation, has graciously agreed to spend 23 00:01:57.790 --> 00:02:01.810 half an hour of his very busy Sunday with us 24 00:02:02.569 --> 00:02:07.390 to recap a special sexploitation screening he attended at the 25 00:02:07.450 --> 00:02:11.430 New Beverly Theater in Los Angeles. We will let the 26 00:02:11.490 --> 00:02:13.669 conversation speak for itself. 27 00:02:14.370 --> 00:02:14.810 Enjoy. 28 00:02:24.689 --> 00:02:26.400 Hollywood california. 29 00:02:33.430 --> 00:02:37.210 Yeah i uh i'm recording from the new beverly bathroom coming. 30 00:02:37.050 --> 00:02:39.270 To you you never leave. 31 00:02:41.270 --> 00:02:43.349 You live in the walls it's a crawl space situation 32 00:02:43.379 --> 00:02:47.319 you're class kinsky and then yeah you're bad ronald you're 33 00:02:47.340 --> 00:02:52.150 bad ronald you that's right beverly is yeah right Yeah, 34 00:02:52.169 --> 00:02:52.969 so a little background. 35 00:02:52.990 --> 00:02:55.810 We wanted to bring Eli on to talk about a 36 00:02:55.909 --> 00:02:59.659 double feature that he saw at the new Beverly Theater. 37 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.439 I don't have the date off the top of my head. 38 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:03.599 It was a couple weeks ago. 39 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.719 August 17th, literally six days ago. 40 00:03:06.740 --> 00:03:08.560 Oh, okay. Less than a week ago. 41 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:09.340 Yeah. 42 00:03:09.539 --> 00:03:13.300 Yeah, so this was a 60s movie. uh sexploitation double 43 00:03:13.340 --> 00:03:19.800 feature of the thrill killers ray dennis steckler and psychedelic 44 00:03:19.860 --> 00:03:23.099 sexualis or on her bed of roses are two titles 45 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.039 it goes by yeah i. 46 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.280 Don't know where the psychedelic sexualis came from because i 47 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.310 feel like it's a made-up title it's psychedelia it's it's 48 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:36.120 psychopathia sexualis right that's the title on the poster Right. 49 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:41.349 But on the print, it says psychedelic sexualist. 50 00:03:41.389 --> 00:03:42.169 That's the funny part. 51 00:03:42.590 --> 00:03:44.830 I wonder if that was a way to distance themselves 52 00:03:44.889 --> 00:03:48.110 a bit from like getting sued for mentioning the book. 53 00:03:48.229 --> 00:03:48.669 I don't know. 54 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.300 Oh, possibly. Totally. Who knows? 55 00:03:52.180 --> 00:03:52.539 Yeah. 56 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.319 Zuck Smith. Yeah. 57 00:03:55.340 --> 00:04:00.219 So, yeah, just tell us about your experience. I'm always 58 00:04:00.259 --> 00:04:01.819 curious about the crowd at these things. 59 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:05.810 Yeah, this one was about– now, I don't remember how 60 00:04:05.849 --> 00:04:08.189 much we talked about this when we had a– I 61 00:04:08.229 --> 00:04:10.240 know when you guys were on Punk Vacation, we talked 62 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.659 a bit about Eros like here and there. And Casey 63 00:04:13.909 --> 00:04:16.459 and I are talking about like doing something later in 64 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:19.620 regards to this, not just Eros but like repertory programming 65 00:04:19.660 --> 00:04:22.519 with not just adult films but roughies. I actually think 66 00:04:22.579 --> 00:04:26.480 like this particular brand of sexploitation is harder to sell 67 00:04:26.540 --> 00:04:29.769 than if you were just showing hardcore. Because, I mean, 68 00:04:29.790 --> 00:04:32.970 the example I think of is when they did the 69 00:04:33.050 --> 00:04:36.170 double that Agfa put out as the Blu-ray. They had 70 00:04:36.209 --> 00:04:41.060 the Prince of the Defilers and Smell of Honey Swallow Brine. 71 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.500 That was the lightest of the bunch that time. And 72 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:46.620 it shocked me. But I forgot it was like a 73 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:49.079 holiday weekend. It was raining. It had all the elements 74 00:04:49.100 --> 00:04:52.259 you could think of that worked against it. So without hyperbole, 75 00:04:52.310 --> 00:04:55.089 I think 20 to 25 people topped. So in some ways, 76 00:04:55.170 --> 00:04:55.810 it did recreate. 77 00:04:55.850 --> 00:04:56.949 That room, not great. 78 00:04:57.490 --> 00:04:57.589 No. 79 00:04:58.110 --> 00:05:00.790 Because that's about a 230 cap room or 225. So, yeah, 80 00:05:01.089 --> 00:05:04.209 it was like a 20% turnout if that. 81 00:05:04.370 --> 00:05:04.889 And so 10%. 82 00:05:04.889 --> 00:05:06.129 But it. 83 00:05:07.740 --> 00:05:10.800 Was one night only, right? So I guess that's kind 84 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:11.720 of worse, actually. 85 00:05:12.220 --> 00:05:13.060 Yes, exactly. 86 00:05:13.459 --> 00:05:15.660 And this one was a one night only. So I 87 00:05:15.740 --> 00:05:19.439 use that as a metric of– and this one has 88 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.069 a little bit more, I would argue– Putting Ray Dennis 89 00:05:22.089 --> 00:05:24.089 Steckler's name is the closest thing you can get to 90 00:05:24.129 --> 00:05:28.560 a marquee title in this double. Because I think even 91 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:34.199 amongst the devout of cult cinema, even this is– Steckler 92 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.139 and Milligan, those can be pulls for people. And I 93 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.879 feel like Steckler is an even harder sell than Andy 94 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:38.620 Milligan actually. 95 00:05:39.850 --> 00:05:41.470 Oh, absolutely. Yeah. 96 00:05:41.529 --> 00:05:44.170 But yeah, Honor of Red and Rose is a pretty 97 00:05:44.209 --> 00:05:45.209 deep cut for sure. 98 00:05:45.649 --> 00:05:46.889 On top of that, yeah. 99 00:05:46.970 --> 00:05:48.810 How are you going to sell that? Nobody cares about 100 00:05:48.850 --> 00:05:51.110 Zucksmith unless you're doing Touch of Evil, which was this 101 00:05:51.149 --> 00:05:54.009 big thing that he lived on for a long time. Yeah. 102 00:05:54.050 --> 00:05:54.329 Right. 103 00:05:54.689 --> 00:05:57.149 Well, let me back up real quick because you mentioned 104 00:05:57.250 --> 00:06:00.990 hardcore is more or less like an easier sell. I 105 00:06:01.029 --> 00:06:04.379 wonder if part of that is because it's easy to 106 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:06.620 understand for an audience. Like, look, I'm going to go 107 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.370 to see a hardcore movie with people fucking, like, you're 108 00:06:09.379 --> 00:06:11.689 going to be able to see everything. With these movies, 109 00:06:12.009 --> 00:06:16.110 I think it's still not completely understood by a more 110 00:06:16.149 --> 00:06:19.370 general audience that, yeah, like, why are these people having 111 00:06:19.430 --> 00:06:22.339 sex with their clothes on? Like, what's going on, you know, 112 00:06:22.420 --> 00:06:23.579 at this period in time? 113 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:25.000 Oh, absolutely. 114 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.899 And I think also, I don't know how many people 115 00:06:27.939 --> 00:06:30.759 who go to repertory theaters in general. And here's the 116 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.430 other thing I'll say is, the new Bev is, if 117 00:06:33.449 --> 00:06:35.329 you're going to do this, this is the only place 118 00:06:35.370 --> 00:06:37.649 I think it can really even stand a chance. I 119 00:06:37.689 --> 00:06:39.930 think if you do this at any other theater here, 120 00:06:40.410 --> 00:06:43.120 unless you have like some kind of celebrity presenter, like 121 00:06:43.149 --> 00:06:47.779 if John Waters is presenting something or, you know, something 122 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:52.259 like that, um, you'll, yeah, it's already dead in the 123 00:06:52.300 --> 00:06:54.620 water in my opinion. So I think the new Beverly, obviously, 124 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.860 cause they have grindhouse Mondays. They have, And, you know, 125 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.759 they obviously have a lot of cachet with that for 126 00:06:59.779 --> 00:07:02.600 a variety of reasons from the programmers and obviously from 127 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:03.040 the owner. 128 00:07:03.579 --> 00:07:05.879 So I mean, these didn't get an intro, did they? 129 00:07:06.420 --> 00:07:10.759 Yeah, they do. So they always get intros from either. 130 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.060 Oftentimes it's not special guests. If they have someone who 131 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:15.980 like worked on the movie that happens to be there, 132 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.639 they'll they'll bring them up. But for the most part, 133 00:07:17.699 --> 00:07:20.680 it's usually whoever's working the box office that night, which 134 00:07:20.699 --> 00:07:23.089 it was Jeff, I believe, was the person who introduced it. 135 00:07:23.139 --> 00:07:23.639 But yeah. 136 00:07:24.339 --> 00:07:29.170 Sometimes it's Michael Torgan or the other, I'm forgetting the 137 00:07:29.189 --> 00:07:29.629 third person. 138 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:30.889 Beck, I believe. 139 00:07:31.009 --> 00:07:33.350 So they'll have a list of notes. And depending on 140 00:07:33.389 --> 00:07:36.930 who does the intros, they're usually, they'll have a lot 141 00:07:36.949 --> 00:07:40.069 of notes about them. Most often the print quality, because 142 00:07:40.149 --> 00:07:42.029 that's what a lot of people who go to the 143 00:07:42.069 --> 00:07:44.290 theater care about. So they'll let you know like where 144 00:07:44.310 --> 00:07:47.269 the print quality is. And with these being mostly black 145 00:07:47.310 --> 00:07:49.839 and white, I think, you know, Thrill Killers is what, 146 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:53.139 like three minutes of color. Obviously that was- That was 147 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.620 a nice reddish hue. But otherwise, you know, with black 148 00:07:56.660 --> 00:07:59.360 and white, it's just more some wear and tear. And 149 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.259 I would say the print quality for both of these 150 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.670 were actually really good relative to they certainly weren't struck 151 00:08:04.699 --> 00:08:05.879 anytime recently. 152 00:08:06.189 --> 00:08:10.709 And by recently, I mean 30 years. So, yeah. 153 00:08:11.110 --> 00:08:13.129 And so I guess to answer your question, Gentry, just 154 00:08:13.149 --> 00:08:14.850 to go back for a second in terms of turnout, 155 00:08:15.829 --> 00:08:17.029 I would say this was about half full. 156 00:08:18.029 --> 00:08:18.529 Okay. 157 00:08:18.750 --> 00:08:21.329 So it wasn't a bad turnout at all. No, not 158 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:21.569 at all. 159 00:08:22.209 --> 00:08:24.089 And if you spread that and because, you know, obviously 160 00:08:24.129 --> 00:08:26.490 not everyone's not sitting together, they're spread out. It actually 161 00:08:26.529 --> 00:08:28.439 does feel like you're in a more full house than 162 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:28.759 it is. 163 00:08:28.779 --> 00:08:30.319 Right. 164 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:35.559 So and as far as the audience, I do wonder, 165 00:08:37.590 --> 00:08:41.340 you know, I don't know how they see. the value 166 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.879 in a program like this, other than like, it's something 167 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.509 fun or it's, you know, I don't know how much 168 00:08:46.549 --> 00:08:50.110 of their context. And, and I guess to, to talk 169 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:53.169 more about the intro, sometimes there isn't context about like 170 00:08:53.250 --> 00:08:55.669 how these films performed or what that, you know, sometimes 171 00:08:55.690 --> 00:08:57.669 there is for the most part there is though. I, I, I, 172 00:08:58.210 --> 00:09:01.419 I'm just not remembering now if this intro had much 173 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:04.440 about beyond saying who Zug Smith was obviously working with 174 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:07.559 Orson Welles and obviously Ray Dennis Steckler and what they're 175 00:09:07.580 --> 00:09:10.230 known for. And then they obviously provide like a great 176 00:09:10.309 --> 00:09:13.789 trailer pack with both of these. It was some Zugsmith 177 00:09:13.830 --> 00:09:15.730 trailers like Confessions of an Opium Eater. 178 00:09:15.750 --> 00:09:15.889 Oh, Lord. 179 00:09:17.830 --> 00:09:19.809 And what was the other trailer? Well, that at least 180 00:09:19.830 --> 00:09:21.340 provides some context. 181 00:09:21.769 --> 00:09:23.860 It does. No, it does. 182 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.960 I think most people going once they have that, they 183 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.960 should know what they're in for. And obviously, I still 184 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.340 think some people don't. There were– and the Thrill Killers 185 00:09:32.740 --> 00:09:36.850 at 70 minutes, nobody– Nobody left for that one. But, 186 00:09:36.990 --> 00:09:40.730 you know, given that Honor Bed of Roses or Psychedelic 187 00:09:40.809 --> 00:09:46.129 Sexualis is longer. Yeah, that's that's had a full, you know, 188 00:09:46.490 --> 00:09:49.129 this cut, though, felt and maybe you guys can answer 189 00:09:49.169 --> 00:09:51.029 this because I actually I've had the DVD. 190 00:09:51.049 --> 00:09:52.529 I've had it for years. It's still sealed. 191 00:09:52.629 --> 00:09:54.350 And it was really great to not have to pop 192 00:09:54.370 --> 00:09:57.240 it open, to be honest, because. 193 00:09:58.240 --> 00:09:59.389 I never got around to it. 194 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.500 It's like it's such a battle to even get to 195 00:10:01.539 --> 00:10:03.080 my DVDs now from the V.S. 196 00:10:03.100 --> 00:10:03.340 Side. 197 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.000 I don't upgrade them very often, but like if something 198 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:07.960 screens here and it's obviously an excuse to not have 199 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.299 to crack it open, that's great. 200 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:16.279 Is it Incredible Sex Revolution? Yes, actually, I believe you're right. 201 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:18.059 Which is also terrible. Yeah. 202 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:18.879 Unfortunately. 203 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:19.230 That's right. 204 00:10:19.419 --> 00:10:19.620 Yeah. 205 00:10:20.549 --> 00:10:22.250 It is paired with that one. 206 00:10:22.370 --> 00:10:24.990 And the reason I didn't, I will usually try to 207 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:27.419 watch the second movie on my own. And the only 208 00:10:27.460 --> 00:10:29.159 reason I didn't is I saw it's actually on like 209 00:10:29.259 --> 00:10:33.820 Fossum or one of the Tubi or something. So I'll 210 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:40.159 just watch it there. So as far as this cut goes, 211 00:10:40.179 --> 00:10:43.100 it did feel about five minutes shorter. And I don't 212 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:44.639 think that was because of splices. 213 00:10:44.659 --> 00:10:45.519 Interesting. 214 00:10:45.570 --> 00:10:46.110 Interesting. 215 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:49.000 Um, and I know on the back of the case, 216 00:10:49.059 --> 00:10:51.059 there's something about it being like a hot version. 217 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:52.779 Um, yes. 218 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:54.970 And he did that first. I think he also did 219 00:10:54.990 --> 00:10:57.639 that for incredible sex revolution as well. And I feel 220 00:10:57.679 --> 00:10:59.750 like there was another one. He did a four too. 221 00:10:59.769 --> 00:11:02.850 I think it was to get more, I think it 222 00:11:02.889 --> 00:11:05.690 was to get more play in other areas that would 223 00:11:05.730 --> 00:11:08.590 be more accepting of that type of material. And then 224 00:11:08.629 --> 00:11:12.549 that way he could, he had a, it's kind of like, um, Oh, gosh. Like, 225 00:11:12.570 --> 00:11:14.889 Saturday Night Fever was prepared in a PG version. 226 00:11:14.909 --> 00:11:16.190 Oh, God, yeah. 227 00:11:16.210 --> 00:11:18.470 For, like, TV and stuff and for reissue so they 228 00:11:18.490 --> 00:11:21.029 could get more play. And for this situation, it's kind 229 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:24.049 of similar, where it's just like, well, we can have 230 00:11:24.090 --> 00:11:25.720 a hot version that we know can play in, like, 231 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.980 larger metro areas, but then in, like, more conservative areas, 232 00:11:29.019 --> 00:11:31.700 we can just have this basically an R-rated version rather than, like, 233 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:32.419 a soft X. 234 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:33.820 Version, essentially. Right. 235 00:11:34.139 --> 00:11:34.519 That makes sense. 236 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.220 So I wonder what version you had then. I guess 237 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.279 you probably had an R-rated version, potentially. 238 00:11:38.299 --> 00:11:38.379 Yeah. 239 00:11:38.779 --> 00:11:41.039 Yeah, it definitely was the cooler version because if it 240 00:11:41.090 --> 00:11:44.649 was shorter– it's just funny what hot and cool means 241 00:11:44.690 --> 00:11:49.110 when you're talking about hardcore versus like in this context. 242 00:11:49.649 --> 00:11:52.070 When you're talking about Zugsmith, like how much hotter can 243 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:53.529 it be? Those movies are not that. 244 00:11:53.529 --> 00:11:54.129 100%. 245 00:11:54.129 --> 00:11:55.750 Yeah, they're not that hot in any version. 246 00:11:55.789 --> 00:12:01.240 They're– They're not that great. Yeah. So I think it 247 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:03.200 really is just, it really is just kind of like, well, 248 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:05.879 this is hotter and it's, I don't know, some extra tits. 249 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:09.389 Yeah, I'm trying to think what it would have been. Well, 250 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:14.230 that release has, it has the soft scene outtakes as 251 00:12:14.269 --> 00:12:17.279 like a separate. a special feature you could look at. 252 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.980 So you could see what the soft version is. 253 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:20.659 Yeah. 254 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.240 Oh, you do have a curious now that disc. 255 00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:26.700 Yeah, I got, I know it. 256 00:12:26.299 --> 00:12:28.019 Is a long time ago. Yeah. 257 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:28.879 Yeah. 258 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.929 I hate both movies on that. Well, not good. 259 00:12:32.529 --> 00:12:32.769 Yeah. 260 00:12:32.850 --> 00:12:35.149 Most people, when I went to this double who had 261 00:12:35.210 --> 00:12:38.389 seen it were like, when, with thrill killers, everyone was like, 262 00:12:38.409 --> 00:12:40.240 you know, the people who like, like it, like it. 263 00:12:40.450 --> 00:12:41.950 And I, I did enjoy it. 264 00:12:42.049 --> 00:12:42.389 Yeah. 265 00:12:42.529 --> 00:12:43.889 I had a great time with it. I mean, it's 266 00:12:44.029 --> 00:12:48.940 often considered, steckler's most polished uh i put that in 267 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.340 quotation marks but it is considered as like most polished 268 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.700 and the closest he got to making something that looks 269 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.980 like anything you would find in any other you know 270 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.360 uh where was i going with that with like like 271 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:02.990 if you did a um uh like if you wanted 272 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:05.110 to screen this for someone who's never seen something by 273 00:13:05.139 --> 00:13:07.909 steckler obviously i guess that's and that's yeah that's. 274 00:13:07.809 --> 00:13:11.190 A good entry point yes absolutely because that's even more 275 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:14.009 accessible than like incredibly strange creatures is something that i 276 00:13:14.070 --> 00:13:17.580 think people know from MSC3K. I think Flue Killers is 277 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:20.009 kind of like reminds me of like the sadist or 278 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:22.200 it's something that you could probably show someone. but then 279 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.279 they see our tall junior and anything else. And they're like, 280 00:13:24.419 --> 00:13:25.519 what the fuck is this? 281 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:26.500 Right. Right. 282 00:13:26.539 --> 00:13:27.110 No, totally. 283 00:13:27.139 --> 00:13:29.590 Like if you watch why I, um, I actually have 284 00:13:29.669 --> 00:13:31.009 never seen wild guitar. 285 00:13:31.389 --> 00:13:31.629 Yeah. 286 00:13:31.690 --> 00:13:33.250 And I've never seen it in its entirety. 287 00:13:33.490 --> 00:13:36.269 I actually, I have the, Oh, it's just off kind 288 00:13:36.309 --> 00:13:39.830 of a camera here, but I have the Steckler box set. And, um, I, 289 00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:42.759 I remember I tried watching it. I was just too tired. 290 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.720 So that's why I stopped it. And the transfer is magnificent. 291 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:48.320 Um, It was good when Something Weird put it out. 292 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.399 I think they had the negative to that. I think 293 00:13:50.419 --> 00:13:52.639 they had OCN or the original negative. So when that 294 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:55.120 came out with the choppers, the choppers looked bad, but 295 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:57.360 Wild Guitar was stunning. And you really get a good 296 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:00.639 idea of what a good photographer Steckler was. I'm not 297 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.950 someone to give Steckler a lot of credit for anything. 298 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:05.210 But he also photographed Day of the Nightmare, which is 299 00:14:05.259 --> 00:14:08.269 very well photographed. Or maybe it was Scream of the Butterfly. 300 00:14:08.289 --> 00:14:11.029 I think it was Day of the Nightmare. But he 301 00:14:11.070 --> 00:14:13.509 was a very good photographer in black and white. His 302 00:14:13.529 --> 00:14:17.470 stuff is really crisp and clear and very well lit. So, yeah. 303 00:14:17.750 --> 00:14:20.269 And you see that here, by the way, his movies 304 00:14:20.309 --> 00:14:23.110 go on, they get progressively less well photographed. 305 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:25.139 Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 306 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.240 The values and other things for sure. I don't, I 307 00:14:27.259 --> 00:14:28.340 don't disagree with that at all. 308 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:29.460 Right. Right. 309 00:14:30.019 --> 00:14:33.600 You know, here, like, and, and this is part, thankfully 310 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.750 because it's far enough in the movie that the, the print, 311 00:14:35.769 --> 00:14:37.490 you know, where as usual with these kinds of prints, 312 00:14:37.529 --> 00:14:38.950 the beginning and the end is where you see the 313 00:14:39.009 --> 00:14:42.990 most wear and tear outside of the real changes. And yeah, 314 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.120 You know, that scene in the in the when he 315 00:14:45.139 --> 00:14:47.179 goes back with the woman to her apartment and there's 316 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:50.750 like the the the flashing lights outside that are making 317 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.529 it flash inside. You really get a great idea of 318 00:14:53.669 --> 00:14:57.269 how skillful Steckler is with a camera and those kinds 319 00:14:57.309 --> 00:15:00.600 of things. That's like beautiful stuff. And, you know, we 320 00:15:00.620 --> 00:15:02.879 were talking about how much this moves even in the last. 321 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.480 10 minutes where you kind of start feeling the padding, 322 00:15:06.049 --> 00:15:08.320 which is also where he becomes the Marlboro man. Like 323 00:15:08.340 --> 00:15:11.259 he gets on a fucking horse with a cowboy hat. 324 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.899 Another one. He cannot avoid showing up in his own movies. 325 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.120 He just can't. You're never going to have him not 326 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:20.759 show up in one of his movies in some way. 327 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:21.360 Yeah. 328 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.600 And, and boy, does he really like, like milk that, 329 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.129 that horse budget or riding the horse and, and, But 330 00:15:28.149 --> 00:15:30.750 I have to say, it's even his padding in this movie, 331 00:15:30.870 --> 00:15:34.190 like what I wrote in my Letterboxd review is that 332 00:15:34.789 --> 00:15:37.669 it's an artistic accomplishment how Steckler pads this out. 333 00:15:38.870 --> 00:15:39.649 Like, it really is. 334 00:15:39.690 --> 00:15:42.250 Like, even his padding is an art form in this movie. 335 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:45.129 And that's not even hyperbole. I mean, it really is. 336 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.480 Like, you even see, like, the last 10 minutes where 337 00:15:47.500 --> 00:15:49.279 he's kind of drawing it out. You are like, all right, well, 338 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.379 let's kind of start wrapping it up. There's still, like, 339 00:15:52.580 --> 00:15:55.139 some worthwhile stuff you're looking at because, you know, he's 340 00:15:55.220 --> 00:15:58.360 out in, like, some Valley out in, uh, probably near 341 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:04.710 Lancaster or, uh, or like, you know, Santa Clarita or something. And, uh, uh, yeah, 342 00:16:04.870 --> 00:16:07.049 it just looks fantastic. Even when he's doing, you know, 343 00:16:07.470 --> 00:16:09.870 what's essentially becomes like a stage play in the restaurant. 344 00:16:11.370 --> 00:16:11.570 Yeah. 345 00:16:11.590 --> 00:16:12.409 That's the best part. 346 00:16:13.230 --> 00:16:13.750 Absolutely. 347 00:16:13.769 --> 00:16:15.009 Yeah. 348 00:16:15.029 --> 00:16:18.039 That's well, it's interesting because the, because he eventually would 349 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:23.669 become terrible with padding. Like, yeah, It was interesting how he, yeah, 350 00:16:23.870 --> 00:16:26.490 he kind of goes downhill, I think, once he realizes 351 00:16:27.190 --> 00:16:29.889 that he can still make a profit with that, with 352 00:16:30.549 --> 00:16:33.740 making less effort. It's kind of like he degraded as 353 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.240 a filmmaker, because he was just like, well, whatever, I'll 354 00:16:36.259 --> 00:16:38.759 make the same amount of money without having to do 355 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.360 anything of quality, which is a bummer, because you see 356 00:16:42.379 --> 00:16:44.460 the early stuff, and you're like, I don't know what 357 00:16:44.500 --> 00:16:47.149 happened there, and that's probably what happened. He was just like, well, 358 00:16:47.450 --> 00:16:49.330 the budget's low, I have a little amount of time, 359 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:53.039 I don't need to waste time on niceties in my stuff. 360 00:16:53.500 --> 00:16:55.860 Oh, that's a, that's a pretty, uh, I would say 361 00:16:55.899 --> 00:16:59.919 that's 1000% right. Because like what you're constantly surrounded by 362 00:16:59.960 --> 00:17:02.840 people who can only give you so much money and they, 363 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.539 and they have a, they obviously, even at that level, 364 00:17:05.619 --> 00:17:07.279 even though they're not a corporation, they're still going to 365 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:08.859 think like one in terms of profit. 366 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:10.480 So it's like, what are you going to, what are 367 00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:11.019 you going to do? 368 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.160 You're just going to, if you hang around those people 369 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.230 long enough, you're going to turn into those people, whether you, 370 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:17.539 you know, you even know it or not. 371 00:17:17.619 --> 00:17:19.079 So That's a really good point. 372 00:17:19.099 --> 00:17:21.019 I didn't think of it that way because some people 373 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:23.519 like Andy– I guess that's the difference with. 374 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:24.500 Andy Milligan too, right? 375 00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:27.859 Where like he constantly– it was always like from the 376 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:31.119 bottom pit of his soul that he was like plumbing 377 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:34.170 the depths to get out whatever histrionic or no matter 378 00:17:34.210 --> 00:17:35.950 what– say what you will, whether it works for you 379 00:17:35.970 --> 00:17:39.430 or not. But it is coming from a very, very 380 00:17:39.990 --> 00:17:42.329 personal place and at a certain point with Steckler as 381 00:17:42.369 --> 00:17:46.150 much as he obviously loves movies and making movies. He 382 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:47.950 probably was just like, all right, well, this is the 383 00:17:47.990 --> 00:17:49.710 money I got, and these are the people I'm with. 384 00:17:49.750 --> 00:17:51.029 This was like his gore. 385 00:17:50.769 --> 00:17:51.500 Film, sort of. 386 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:55.029 He wasn't invested in this kind of movie. He just 387 00:17:55.529 --> 00:17:57.549 knew that it would sell, and he could take it 388 00:17:57.589 --> 00:17:59.890 on the road. I mean, he roadshowed this thing for 389 00:18:00.029 --> 00:18:03.440 a while. That just kind of shows sold little masks 390 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.920 and stuff of the Mad Dog. 391 00:18:04.940 --> 00:18:05.660 Oh, right. 392 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:06.359 I forgot about that. 393 00:18:06.460 --> 00:18:08.619 Very old school style, yeah. 394 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:10.480 That's right. That's right. 395 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.200 Well, also he, you know, putting in like the hypnosis 396 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:16.819 stuff that that killed with the crowd. 397 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.420 I just wanted to say that, you know. 398 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.549 With the with the little swirling, which is incredibly strange creatures. 399 00:18:22.609 --> 00:18:25.730 He already had that. I guess he was like, well, 400 00:18:25.769 --> 00:18:27.710 I guess I'll use it again. 401 00:18:27.789 --> 00:18:28.029 Yeah. 402 00:18:29.089 --> 00:18:29.250 Yeah. 403 00:18:30.579 --> 00:18:32.680 I love Incredibly Strange Creatures. Actually, I would like to 404 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.799 see that with an audience. I like all the musical. Yeah. Sorry. 405 00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:38.799 Oh, I think I think it's super fun. 406 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.680 And I think MST3K kind of put a like like 407 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:43.539 I'm glad we're getting to the point now that if 408 00:18:43.579 --> 00:18:46.759 there's enough distance between that where certain movies can now 409 00:18:46.819 --> 00:18:49.359 get there, though, I'll say some stuff I watched. Like 410 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.559 I remember the the Sumeru one that. blue underground put 411 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:55.500 out the 4k of i'm forgetting i think it's million 412 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:55.880 eyes of. 413 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.140 Sumaru million eyes of sumaru oh no i i that 414 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.460 i was like you know what and it's that's 10 415 00:19:01.460 --> 00:19:03.460 minutes longer that cut and i in my head was 416 00:19:03.500 --> 00:19:05.680 like i could have gone with the original cut and 417 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.660 the mst3k fellas talking over this and even though even 418 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.779 though i think that might have been from the rebooted 419 00:19:10.819 --> 00:19:13.220 show for netflix but still i was like it was 420 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.680 yeah oh okay yeah but I disagree. 421 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:20.799 Do not talk over Klaus Kinski as President Boing or 422 00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:23.599 whatever his name is. Just let him do his thing. 423 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:24.480 I don't want to watch. 424 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.019 I mean, I like the MSC3K of Incredibly Strange Creatures, 425 00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:32.119 but then I saw the... And then I picked up 426 00:19:32.140 --> 00:19:34.670 the Media Blasters DVD of it, and I was like, oh, 427 00:19:34.730 --> 00:19:36.569 it still works on its own. I mean, it's just... 428 00:19:36.829 --> 00:19:39.710 It throws everything into it. And it kind of lives 429 00:19:39.769 --> 00:19:41.650 up to this poster that promises you the moon. And 430 00:19:41.670 --> 00:19:43.069 it's like, well, there really is a little... There is 431 00:19:43.170 --> 00:19:46.859 everything in this movie. It's really... Oh, I agree. Yeah, yeah. 432 00:19:46.900 --> 00:19:47.720 I think it's a lot of fun. 433 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.710 I didn't get to see it when it screened here 434 00:19:49.730 --> 00:19:52.839 i it screened a couple years ago um and i 435 00:19:52.950 --> 00:19:55.740 forget why i missed it but uh but i know 436 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.839 that what the one flaw with the print that's available 437 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:00.460 and my understanding this is the only print that anyone 438 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.759 knows that exists that is can at least be theatrically 439 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.569 played is it's missing a reel a whole reel wow 440 00:20:08.130 --> 00:20:11.150 so it's it's it makes it makes a short movie 441 00:20:11.170 --> 00:20:13.049 a lot shorter yeah. 442 00:20:12.849 --> 00:20:16.200 Yeah right at that point yeah just play the dcp 443 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.400 yeah just play the like nice dcp for that that's 444 00:20:19.460 --> 00:20:20.559 fine right i. 445 00:20:20.539 --> 00:20:22.519 Don't want like if it's if that rail is missing 446 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.680 shook out of shape then it's a wrap like i 447 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.519 needed i need shook out of shape if i'm going 448 00:20:27.539 --> 00:20:31.130 to see it in theater so i i love that Yeah. 449 00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:33.549 I don't know which one it's missing. If it does 450 00:20:33.589 --> 00:20:36.349 screen again, you better believe I'll be there. It was 451 00:20:36.569 --> 00:20:40.549 recently enough, though, so I suspect it'll be a little while. But, yeah, 452 00:20:40.910 --> 00:20:43.339 any Steckler that screens, I'll be there, even if it's digital, 453 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:45.039 to be honest. Just because, like, how often do you 454 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.759 get to see that in a dark setting with strangers? 455 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:48.920 You know, it's, like, the ideal. 456 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:53.750 Well, tell us more about what you thought about On 457 00:20:53.789 --> 00:20:54.490 Her Bed of Roses. 458 00:20:54.809 --> 00:20:55.109 Yes. 459 00:20:55.269 --> 00:20:55.950 Okay. Yeah, yeah. 460 00:20:55.970 --> 00:20:59.630 That's right. that is a longer film and it is 461 00:20:59.730 --> 00:21:02.680 very leisurely paced for sure. 462 00:21:03.339 --> 00:21:04.859 Yes. Being nice. 463 00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:05.859 Yes. 464 00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:08.960 Yes. I, so I, I gave it, I, I couldn't 465 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:12.339 find them. I ultimately settled on just again to, I 466 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:13.579 hate to do it this way, but just to make 467 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:16.230 it easier to explain it in letterbox terms. I didn't 468 00:21:16.250 --> 00:21:18.190 give it any stars because it was kind of halfway 469 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:19.650 between a two and a half and three to me. 470 00:21:19.670 --> 00:21:21.339 I just threw it a heart because I did have 471 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.700 a good time with an audience. If I watch this 472 00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:26.500 at home, absolutely would have been like a two star affair. 473 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:28.759 Do you know what I mean? Like I did make it. 474 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.460 I think that's my rating now. 475 00:21:30.970 --> 00:21:31.549 Yeah, it didn't. 476 00:21:31.710 --> 00:21:31.910 Yeah. 477 00:21:32.009 --> 00:21:34.069 I'm looking at it right here. You got got two stars. 478 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:35.210 Not good. 479 00:21:35.269 --> 00:21:35.450 Yeah. 480 00:21:35.829 --> 00:21:38.670 My friends that I was with, they they didn't they weren't. 481 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:41.079 They were both– they gave it two and a half 482 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.309 from what I see here. And they kind of felt 483 00:21:43.329 --> 00:21:45.250 the same way I did. But what pushed it over 484 00:21:45.329 --> 00:21:47.509 for me was just watching it with an audience and 485 00:21:47.549 --> 00:21:52.519 having to be locked in. Surprisingly, when I got up 486 00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:54.519 to use the restroom to check the time, I was 487 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.400 actually an hour and 20 minutes into the movie. 488 00:21:56.420 --> 00:21:58.079 Oh, my God. 489 00:21:58.579 --> 00:21:59.019 Yeah. 490 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.779 And that made me think– I forget how long that 491 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.099 movie is. And I'm like, yeah. 492 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:02.900 I'm like, oh, okay. 493 00:22:03.049 --> 00:22:03.509 No, I know. 494 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.279 Once you pass– I was talking to Phil, the programmer 495 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.259 about this. I said, you know, when you pass 70 minutes, 496 00:22:10.299 --> 00:22:12.240 you really have to kind of earn it. But when 497 00:22:12.259 --> 00:22:16.740 you pass 80, you truly not every minute, every second counts. 498 00:22:17.569 --> 00:22:18.089 Exactly. 499 00:22:18.109 --> 00:22:20.410 In this genre. Absolutely. 500 00:22:20.450 --> 00:22:20.650 Yeah. 501 00:22:20.670 --> 00:22:23.490 You can see the scenes that in your head as 502 00:22:23.529 --> 00:22:25.789 you're watching. You're like, this could have been five. Every 503 00:22:25.930 --> 00:22:28.440 scene could have been five minutes shorter. this would have 504 00:22:28.460 --> 00:22:30.880 been like an amazing 70 minute movie, but 100%. 505 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.730 I watched too. I watched with an editor's eye way 506 00:22:33.750 --> 00:22:36.210 too often. I'm just like, wait, this could have been sliced. 507 00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:38.289 This pacing could have been. Yeah. It's yeah. Which it 508 00:22:38.329 --> 00:22:40.789 was crazy because I haven't been an editor in a 509 00:22:40.789 --> 00:22:42.789 long time, but it's just like, yeah, I'm just like, okay, 510 00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:44.450 this could have been tight in the pace. Yeah. 511 00:22:44.470 --> 00:22:46.799 It's just, you know, like there's that pool scene where 512 00:22:46.819 --> 00:22:49.640 they're like, the two girls are fighting with her dad. 513 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.079 And it's just like, they're slapping each other for like, 514 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.910 what seems like an eternity. It's like, It just trimmed this. 515 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.660 It actually got– see, and that's an example of why 516 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.759 that played well with the crowd because you could feel 517 00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:03.200 the– the audience actually laughed at the moment where you 518 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:04.900 could feel it going too long. 519 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:06.039 Yeah, exactly. 520 00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:07.700 And if I did watch it at home, I'd be 521 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.059 like– I'd be the same way. I'd be like, can 522 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.460 we wrap this the fuck up? Like what is going on? 523 00:23:11.740 --> 00:23:13.680 But there we all kind of laughed at how we 524 00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:15.279 were being held hostage by it. 525 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:17.579 Yes. That's kind of fun. 526 00:23:37.970 --> 00:23:40.559 But every time I still to this day, when I 527 00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:42.859 see something like that, I get fucking locked in. I'm like, 528 00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:44.680 all right, you know what? I think people I think 529 00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:46.640 people are being too hard on this. Let's fucking party. 530 00:23:47.019 --> 00:23:49.819 But then naturally, 30, 40 minutes in. 531 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.309 Yeah, right. 532 00:23:52.829 --> 00:23:53.329 Exactly. 533 00:23:53.849 --> 00:23:56.289 Yeah. But the crazy thing is, though, like this is 534 00:23:56.329 --> 00:23:58.670 the guy who was giving notes to Well saying Touch 535 00:23:58.710 --> 00:23:59.670 of Viva was too long. 536 00:24:00.230 --> 00:24:00.509 Yeah. 537 00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:04.390 And then his self-indulgent stuff. He's like, oh, no. Yeah, 538 00:24:04.430 --> 00:24:07.099 let's let it be as long as we need. Good God. 539 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:08.440 That is, I didn't even know that. 540 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:09.640 Well, it's over a touch of evil. 541 00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:10.440 Oh yeah. 542 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.099 It's like memos back and forth. Yeah. Like, yeah, not great. 543 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.160 So that's where the, that's where the restoration was such 544 00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:17.359 a big deal when it happened. Cause it was all 545 00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:19.380 this stuff that Zugsmith is like, cut it out, cut 546 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.220 it out, you know? Well, yeah. 547 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.000 I counted. 548 00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:25.299 So I was sitting in a I have a specific 549 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.059 area that I sit in, so I can only see 550 00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:29.420 about half the theater at best. And I counted about 551 00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:31.980 from my side, I counted, I think, about five walkouts 552 00:24:32.259 --> 00:24:36.779 for this one. But here's the thing. It's a Monday 553 00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:38.220 approaching 11 o'clock. 554 00:24:38.329 --> 00:24:38.460 So. 555 00:24:39.049 --> 00:24:41.009 When people are there for something like that, unless it's 556 00:24:41.190 --> 00:24:43.970 absolutely pulling them in in a way that they are like, 557 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:45.359 I must stay for this. 558 00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:47.339 I don't blame them. I totally get it. 559 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.680 They're like, I saw Pat Barrington do her belly dance. 560 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:50.160 I can leave. 561 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:50.779 Right, right, right. 562 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:52.240 They're like, yeah, yeah. 563 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.359 Wait, I forgot stuff. I forgot what happened. 564 00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:59.059 That sequence is fantastic. I love that party sequence. 565 00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:01.640 Yeah, that whole party sequence with Pat and everybody else. 566 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.289 That's the best part of the movie. And then it 567 00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:03.740 just kind of. 568 00:25:04.250 --> 00:25:06.349 Absolutely yeah yeah it's right up there with the opening 569 00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:08.630 for me and that's kind of where i got after 570 00:25:08.670 --> 00:25:11.440 that it definitely becomes more of an endurance because of 571 00:25:11.539 --> 00:25:14.500 how that movie is you know also the opening sells 572 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:16.500 a movie that you're going to follow a socially awkward 573 00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:18.539 guy that you don't meet again for the most part 574 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:22.019 yeah and the last 15 minutes yeah which in some 575 00:25:22.059 --> 00:25:24.119 ways could be a feature in the right hands but 576 00:25:24.140 --> 00:25:27.240 it obviously is sure more of a bug here. 577 00:25:27.869 --> 00:25:30.250 Yes i feel like i feel like lee frost could 578 00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:31.950 pull that off because he did some he ran he 579 00:25:31.970 --> 00:25:35.339 did like zero and then scream which is similar in 580 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:36.900 several ways. Yeah. 581 00:25:37.269 --> 00:25:40.390 And if you guys want, if you guys want the 582 00:25:40.470 --> 00:25:42.869 first and only thing I bought an advanced ticket for, 583 00:25:42.930 --> 00:25:46.029 for the new Beverly in September is that Lee Frost double. 584 00:25:46.049 --> 00:25:48.049 So I'm happy to come back and talk about those 585 00:25:48.109 --> 00:25:50.430 because I've, I've not actually seen either. 586 00:25:50.450 --> 00:25:53.170 No pressure, but these are first. 587 00:25:53.009 --> 00:25:55.809 Time watches about the all American girl, which you have 588 00:25:55.829 --> 00:25:56.230 to see. 589 00:25:56.250 --> 00:25:57.490 I will be going to. 590 00:25:57.529 --> 00:25:57.690 Yes. 591 00:25:57.730 --> 00:25:57.849 Yes. 592 00:25:57.869 --> 00:26:00.430 So I'm actually going to, I, so I wanted to 593 00:26:00.450 --> 00:26:02.509 go see cuddly toys to just support Kansas. Cause I 594 00:26:02.529 --> 00:26:05.569 really did enjoy that movie, but, Unfortunately, I forgot I 595 00:26:05.589 --> 00:26:07.730 had bought tickets and made plans to go see Assault 596 00:26:07.750 --> 00:26:10.470 of the Killer Bimbos on 35, which I have not seen. 597 00:26:10.490 --> 00:26:13.289 That's fun. Yes, that's good. Okay, great, great. 598 00:26:13.309 --> 00:26:16.250 So it's early enough that I can actually see that, 599 00:26:16.529 --> 00:26:19.359 be out of there, and drive to New Bev and 600 00:26:19.410 --> 00:26:21.059 still make it in time for All-American Girl. 601 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.440 So that's my double feature. 602 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:24.279 For that night. Yeah, that's a good plan. 603 00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:27.519 Because that one, seeing that on a big screen would 604 00:26:27.579 --> 00:26:28.680 really blow my mind. 605 00:26:28.700 --> 00:26:31.480 Yeah, that's such a good movie. We need all the 606 00:26:31.539 --> 00:26:32.559 notes on that screening. 607 00:26:32.619 --> 00:26:33.000 Yes. 608 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.799 About the prints, about how many walkouts there are during 609 00:26:36.819 --> 00:26:38.779 the snowballing scene. 610 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.319 I know, the walkouts, I'm worried. 611 00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:43.759 So that's before the Lee Frost double, I believe a 612 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.460 week or two before. So like I said, if you 613 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.069 guys do want, I'm happy to come back and talk 614 00:26:48.089 --> 00:26:50.329 about all four. We can even throw in bimbos if 615 00:26:50.349 --> 00:26:52.049 you want to do a longer chat at some point. 616 00:26:52.369 --> 00:26:53.170 And like I said, no big deal. 617 00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:55.349 If you don't, I can just send it in writing 618 00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:57.190 if you guys want to just chat about it either or. 619 00:26:57.230 --> 00:26:58.789 I just wanted to put that out there because I 620 00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:02.799 feel like those are... I, I, I didn't realize I'm 621 00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:05.140 becoming a Lee Frost completionist, but it's happening. 622 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:08.380 It does happen to a lot of us. Yeah. 623 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:12.539 It's like, yeah. He's very consistent, which is nice. Like 624 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:17.369 there are very few hiccups across that career, honestly. Yeah. 625 00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:18.730 He's very, very underrated. 626 00:27:19.349 --> 00:27:20.369 So far. So good for me. 627 00:27:20.410 --> 00:27:20.549 Yeah. 628 00:27:20.609 --> 00:27:22.170 It's been a great ride watching Lee stuff. 629 00:27:22.190 --> 00:27:23.289 Even like thing, but two heads. 630 00:27:23.670 --> 00:27:23.910 Great. 631 00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:24.680 Love it. 632 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:25.619 Can't wait. 633 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:26.500 Yeah, yeah. 634 00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:27.680 I'm so stoked for that, too. 635 00:27:28.049 --> 00:27:30.549 Yeah, yeah. The only one I really don't like, I think, 636 00:27:30.650 --> 00:27:32.670 is Chang Gang Women. 637 00:27:33.029 --> 00:27:33.400 That's it. 638 00:27:33.410 --> 00:27:35.109 And even that has enough points of interest that I 639 00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:36.440 wouldn't tell people not to watch it. 640 00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:39.079 You know, I just told a friend to watch a 641 00:27:39.099 --> 00:27:40.059 climax of Blue Power. 642 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:41.180 Two people, actually, I know. 643 00:27:41.259 --> 00:27:43.339 So I can't wait to hear what they have to 644 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:45.140 say about it, because one I know is going to 645 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:45.410 love it. 646 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:45.839 The other one. 647 00:27:46.369 --> 00:27:49.750 That's, that's one that I would be careful about recommending. 648 00:27:50.130 --> 00:27:50.630 For sure. 649 00:27:50.650 --> 00:27:53.150 Yeah, for sure. Well, I want to see the original 650 00:27:53.190 --> 00:27:55.440 version because of course it was shot soft. And then 651 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.519 all the inserts were, I don't know if they were 652 00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:00.579 him or there was somebody else. That whole thing is, 653 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.359 I don't know who would know what happened with. 654 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:03.660 That, but. 655 00:28:04.900 --> 00:28:06.690 That's a good one. It's a really good one. Good 656 00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:08.910 stolen music from the Together Brothers soundtrack. 657 00:28:08.950 --> 00:28:09.430 Yes. 658 00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:10.289 On that. 659 00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:15.109 Yes. Well, we love good stolen music. Refer back to 660 00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:17.390 our conversation last episode. 661 00:28:17.609 --> 00:28:19.650 Yeah, I like that idea, though, Eli. We will be 662 00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:23.019 in touch. We absolutely want to hear about how those go. 663 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:24.619 Wonderful. Thank you. 664 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.599 Thank you guys again for having me. This was so fun. 665 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:26.900 I could. 666 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.720 Yeah. 667 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:28.420 No, we love you. 668 00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:30.859 As we always say, we could have, this is what 669 00:28:30.940 --> 00:28:31.200 we did. 670 00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:33.099 I mean, it's a miracle that we got to half 671 00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:35.900 an hour, just about like, I feel like it's truly 672 00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:37.579 could have been two plus hours. 673 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.500 Just talking about Zugg Smith. 674 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:03.359 Well, hi. Hello. How are you? Very good. 675 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.019 How are you? I'm good. 676 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.069 We've actually never met. Isn't that wild? 677 00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:07.910 That's crazy. 678 00:29:08.809 --> 00:29:12.650 This is a reoccurring theme with these podcasts. He runs 679 00:29:12.710 --> 00:29:15.950 into people again. He's like, you know what? I realize 680 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:18.390 that we've never actually met, but we've known each other 681 00:29:18.430 --> 00:29:19.109 for like 20 years. 682 00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:19.309 Yeah. 683 00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:23.480 Mobius home video days. Yeah, well, that's like John Charles. 684 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.779 We have an ongoing chat with John Charles. And I'm like, John, 685 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:27.579 I've known you for a quarter of a century. Isn't 686 00:29:27.619 --> 00:29:28.019 that crazy? 687 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:30.920 Now, John, I have met. 688 00:29:32.369 --> 00:29:34.609 That's good. Okay. Yeah, most of them, none of the 689 00:29:34.650 --> 00:29:36.710 Mobius people I've met, not even Bruce. And I lived 690 00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:39.049 very close to Bruce. But yeah, we never met. 691 00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:42.660 And i'm bruce i've met many times i know yes 692 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.559 exactly bruce is great but uh thank. 693 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:48.200 You for joining us thank you for thank you gentry 694 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:53.759 for coordinating this yeah oh well first of all I 695 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.619 know I've talked to you about one of your former coworkers, 696 00:29:57.140 --> 00:30:03.069 Diana Flaherty. We actually just, she just retired several, a 697 00:30:03.549 --> 00:30:05.750 few weeks ago. And the last conversation we had was 698 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:07.230 about you actually. 699 00:30:08.150 --> 00:30:09.150 I miss her so much. 700 00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:12.470 I know she was like, well, I remember, I remember when, 701 00:30:12.509 --> 00:30:16.089 you know, he left, he left image and I was 702 00:30:16.109 --> 00:30:18.750 like crying as we all left him, saw him walk, 703 00:30:18.869 --> 00:30:20.599 walk to his car. It was, she was like, it 704 00:30:20.619 --> 00:30:22.140 was like, I left, it was, she said it was 705 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.960 like she lost a family member. I was like, yeah, 706 00:30:25.099 --> 00:30:26.839 I mean, I can see him having that effect on 707 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:27.839 people for sure. 708 00:30:27.859 --> 00:30:28.400 Yeah. Yeah. 709 00:30:28.940 --> 00:30:30.859 So I guess the impetus for bringing you on. 710 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:31.119 Yeah. 711 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.829 Was specifically to talk about sort of your work with 712 00:30:34.970 --> 00:30:38.069 image entertainment. Jeez. How long ago was this now? A 713 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:39.789 couple of decades ago. Yeah. 714 00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:40.670 Yeah. 715 00:30:40.730 --> 00:30:42.309 I roughly, it's like around like late 2000 till 20, 716 00:30:42.289 --> 00:30:47.410 like late 2010, I think about 10 years. Yeah, no, 717 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:48.900 I just thought you had like an intro thing about 718 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:50.440 some of those exploitation announcements. I don't know if you 719 00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:52.160 were doing that first or how that was going to work. 720 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.180 Oh, actually, let's do that. 721 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:55.339 Yeah, let's do that. 722 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.240 That's a good icebreaker. 723 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:56.680 Yeah. 724 00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.289 I don't know if you saw the sexorcist that you 725 00:30:59.329 --> 00:31:01.420 had down. It's not that sexorcist. It's the other one. 726 00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:02.170 It's the Italian one. 727 00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:05.410 Yeah, it's Sexorcist Devil, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 728 00:31:05.509 --> 00:31:07.430 The Eerie Midnight Horror Show, Torment, whatever you want to 729 00:31:07.470 --> 00:31:09.670 call it. Yeah, it's the other one. Because in the UK, 730 00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:11.869 it's called sexorcist. Everybody got confused and they're like, But 731 00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:13.470 they already did the Cedricist, the Stegler one. 732 00:31:13.789 --> 00:31:16.269 Oh, they're doing Iriman and Horus, so I can get 733 00:31:16.309 --> 00:31:18.490 rid of my code red Blu-ray, is what you're saying. 734 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.430 Okay, good. 735 00:31:19.450 --> 00:31:21.259 Because that code red Blu-ray was rough. 736 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.019 Yeah, that was rough, yeah. 737 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:23.940 Okay, good. 738 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.420 Okay. 739 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:27.579 I like the movie. Ivan Razumov is great in it. 740 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:28.319 Yeah. 741 00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:30.900 Yeah, that's a fun one. I'm glad they're doing it. Yeah, 742 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:32.640 I hope it'll be the longer cut, too. We'll see. 743 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.049 Yeah, okay. 744 00:31:34.069 --> 00:31:34.349 I hope so. 745 00:31:34.349 --> 00:31:37.089 That clarifies things. Yeah, I was wondering about that as well. 746 00:31:37.910 --> 00:31:39.650 Yeah, everybody was like, why are they doing the Stuckler 747 00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:41.069 one again? They're like, no, no, no. In the UK, 748 00:31:41.089 --> 00:31:43.329 that one's called Sexorcist, and there's two Sexorcists that came 749 00:31:43.349 --> 00:31:45.849 out the same year, and people are like, what? It's 750 00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:46.490 really confusing. 751 00:31:47.390 --> 00:31:50.279 It's a hot title. I mean, you put that out, 752 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.400 people are going to go see it. You call something 753 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:53.480 the Sexorcist, right? 754 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.440 One would hope, right? Yeah, I don't know. 755 00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.859 Well, yeah, we were saying how– you know we're always 756 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.619 talking about severin is seems to do well with their 757 00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:10.819 sex and horror hybrid films and so that seems like 758 00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:13.039 kind of a no-brainer so yeah so i. 759 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:14.980 Wish they would go back to the novaks like we 760 00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:17.730 talk about that a lot like i'm i want mantis 761 00:32:17.789 --> 00:32:20.509 and lace i want kiss me quick i mean. 762 00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:22.490 We'll talk about him later it's kind of. 763 00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:24.390 The mad butcher is right there i'm not sure why 764 00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:26.609 mad butcher and castle castle of freaks too i mean 765 00:32:26.750 --> 00:32:29.099 i don't want it but i'm surprised it hasn't been 766 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.039 Taking it. 767 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:30.619 I'm taking it. 768 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.440 There's a lot of biggies that are just sitting there. 769 00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:34.019 It's like, what's going on? 770 00:32:35.539 --> 00:32:35.799 Yeah. 771 00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:37.079 Well, we have a lot of, we have a lot 772 00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:38.480 of no back to talk to you. 773 00:32:38.900 --> 00:32:39.700 Yeah. 774 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.160 Someone who sat in a room with him multiple times. 775 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.160 Yeah. Yeah. 776 00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:43.839 I certainly did. 777 00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:48.920 Well, we, um, I talked with Casey a little bit 778 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:51.210 offline about this cause I already know how he feels 779 00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:54.349 about it, but, uh, Cherry, Harry and Raquel is getting 780 00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:58.869 the next Severn Russmeyer treatment, uh, I mean, I'm just, look, 781 00:32:58.930 --> 00:33:02.369 I'm happy that they're continuing this partnership and it didn't 782 00:33:02.470 --> 00:33:05.930 fall apart. So that's good news. Is this my favorite 783 00:33:05.950 --> 00:33:09.900 Russ Meyer? No, but some people love it. What are 784 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:10.319 your thoughts? 785 00:33:10.890 --> 00:33:11.450 You don't know. 786 00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:13.890 You know my thoughts. Well, I guess, but we haven't 787 00:33:13.930 --> 00:33:15.109 heard them publicly, so. 788 00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:18.210 Yeah, so my thoughts are, like, yes, I will echo. 789 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.319 I'm glad that the partnership is going. But, like, I 790 00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:23.980 would have even rather seen Mondo topless than this. Like, 791 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:26.900 and that's barely a movie. It should be. I think 792 00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:31.160 the story behind this one is... I mean, it becomes 793 00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:33.180 vividly clear when you find out why this movie is 794 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.359 such a hodgepodge and so... all over the place because 795 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.319 it was barely a movie that had to be saved 796 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.359 in post it had to be saved in the editing 797 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.599 room um and it's too as i've said it in 798 00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:47.019 my letterboxd museum on here a sexploitation focus on a 799 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.109 man is always going to lose my interest and this 800 00:33:50.289 --> 00:33:52.960 is cherry and raquel are barely in this this is 801 00:33:53.009 --> 00:33:54.509 just the hairy show and. 802 00:33:54.410 --> 00:33:57.349 We get to see cherry walked off set which. 803 00:33:57.230 --> 00:34:00.430 Is fine Yes, because she thought that he was shooting 804 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.960 secret footage of her nether regions, and so she walked 805 00:34:05.019 --> 00:34:08.019 off the set. Which is weird, because she was in 806 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.760 the blue hour, which is, I think, much more graphic. 807 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.679 I've heard other stories, too, that she had a dog 808 00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:18.150 on set that was shitting everywhere, and she was getting 809 00:34:18.190 --> 00:34:19.730 yelled at and upset about it. 810 00:34:21.530 --> 00:34:24.110 I'm surprised Russ even let it get to that point, actually. 811 00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:25.650 That he was like, yeah, sure, bring your dog to 812 00:34:25.710 --> 00:34:29.110 the set. That does not sound like... Yeah. Unless it 813 00:34:29.130 --> 00:34:31.929 was some kind of contraband pet that was brought on set. 814 00:34:31.969 --> 00:34:37.070 But yeah, I just wish it was something else. I'm 815 00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.110 glad that the partnership is still going. I'm glad that 816 00:34:39.230 --> 00:34:41.210 they're still able to work with Janice and the estate. 817 00:34:41.889 --> 00:34:43.530 I just wish it was not this movie. I wish 818 00:34:43.570 --> 00:34:46.139 it was something else. I would have even taken Finders, Keepers, Lovers, 819 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:48.519 Weepers over this. Because at least that has Ravel Roby 820 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.420 and she's amazing. And she'll do an interview because she's around. 821 00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:54.389 I think they're going to have Ushi on this release though, 822 00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:58.269 because David Gregory posted a picture of him with Ushi, 823 00:34:59.030 --> 00:35:02.860 which a mind blower. So at the very least, I 824 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.219 guess I have to pick it up because we get 825 00:35:04.300 --> 00:35:06.320 Ushi on camera potentially. Yeah. 826 00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:06.619 Yeah. 827 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.960 I know that she's not a central player in this movie, 828 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.760 but she has a heavy presence in it. So I 829 00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:15.900 can see why she's the only good thing about it. 830 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.199 I can see why they want to have her on 831 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.820 this release. If, if that's what's happening. 832 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:21.340 Right. 833 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.000 Cause they didn't get it for super vixens. 834 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:24.159 Yeah. 835 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.820 It's, it's going to be an amazing looking disc though. 836 00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:30.010 Cause I mean, I, I, I, it's an important movie. 837 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:31.469 I mean, it's a huge mess of a movie, but 838 00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:32.989 it is an important one. So it makes sense for 839 00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:35.789 them to do it. But I mean, I think they 840 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:37.130 were going to be shocked at how nice it looks. 841 00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:39.190 Cause I, my, my, this memory of this movie is 842 00:35:39.750 --> 00:35:42.710 back in the late 90 at 99 at the Egyptian 843 00:35:42.730 --> 00:35:44.710 here in LA, they did that huge Russ Meyer retrospective. 844 00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:47.909 They showed almost everything. And, um, but the, the print 845 00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:49.860 that rang was just gorgeous. So this should look stunning. 846 00:35:50.010 --> 00:35:52.440 And I always have a soft spot because, um, Charles 847 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.199 Napier was there with Russ for the Q and a, 848 00:35:54.219 --> 00:35:57.539 and afterwards, I just remember walking out of the lobby 849 00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:58.739 and Charles Napier was standing next to me. All of 850 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.880 a sudden kitten runs up and she's, and she's like, hi, 851 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:08.050 full frontal scene, Chucky. And like, and, um, and then 852 00:36:08.070 --> 00:36:09.340 she made me take a picture of me putting my 853 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.550 hand on her boobs for some reason. So, um, yeah, 854 00:36:11.889 --> 00:36:12.429 she loves that. 855 00:36:12.610 --> 00:36:13.690 She loves past tense. 856 00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:17.329 Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, I can't I can't hate 857 00:36:17.369 --> 00:36:19.429 the movie just because of that. It's, you know, it's 858 00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:21.590 a it's a sentimental favorite just for that reason. 859 00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:22.670 Yeah, that is. 860 00:36:22.690 --> 00:36:25.150 Yeah, that would make me want to own a nice 861 00:36:25.250 --> 00:36:27.329 cleaned up version of that just for that memory alone. 862 00:36:27.369 --> 00:36:29.869 Just so you can freeze frame the Charles Napier naked 863 00:36:30.530 --> 00:36:32.090 nude frontal nudity scene. 864 00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:37.170 He's not Foreman Shane. He's not, yeah, he's not Foreman Shane. 865 00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:40.650 He's not Bill Ratzler. Like, whatever. I came up with 866 00:36:40.690 --> 00:36:42.750 my own Juliet on 4K so I can get my 867 00:36:42.809 --> 00:36:45.829 Ratzler nudity in 4K and I'll be, yeah. 868 00:36:45.869 --> 00:36:48.150 Well, speaking of, have they said if this is going 869 00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:50.409 to be UHD or if this is Blu-ray? 870 00:36:51.010 --> 00:36:51.880 All of them are UHD. 871 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.050 They're all going to be UHD. 872 00:36:53.110 --> 00:36:53.570 Really? 873 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:54.260 Okay. 874 00:36:54.699 --> 00:36:56.599 Every Myers title is going to be UHD as far 875 00:36:56.619 --> 00:36:57.980 as I know. And, you know, they do them in pairs, 876 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.000 so you'll have another one. 877 00:37:00.099 --> 00:37:02.969 Oh, you know what I want. I want common law cabin. 878 00:37:04.309 --> 00:37:05.409 That is my favorite. 879 00:37:06.210 --> 00:37:08.210 Would you call this, maybe is this Russ Meyer's like 880 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:09.559 night to dismember sort of? 881 00:37:10.590 --> 00:37:14.199 Yes, I would actually. Yes, I would. 882 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:15.980 Yes. 883 00:37:16.059 --> 00:37:18.739 That actually makes, that's, that's a good comparison, except I 884 00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:21.519 much prefer night to dismember. There is something much more 885 00:37:21.619 --> 00:37:23.980 charming about the insanity of that. 886 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:24.860 Yeah. 887 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.659 And the fact that the story behind that is that 888 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.760 basically like that, Samantha Fox had a swoop in and 889 00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:32.599 actually paid to be in the movie. And then it 890 00:37:32.619 --> 00:37:34.480 was her money that was financing all the reshoots. I'm 891 00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:40.150 just like, that's really crazy. Yeah, really bad on Blu-ray. 892 00:37:40.369 --> 00:37:42.309 That's kind of being held up for some reason. 893 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:45.269 That makes no sense. I want both versions of that 894 00:37:45.309 --> 00:37:46.130 on Blu-ray so bad. 895 00:37:46.150 --> 00:37:48.909 I do too. The original version's great. I was very 896 00:37:48.929 --> 00:37:52.570 surprised when that started making the rounds again. It works. 897 00:37:52.650 --> 00:37:53.670 It's really a lot of fun too. 898 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:55.900 Oh my god, it's coherent. 899 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:56.300 What? 900 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:58.480 Yes, exactly. 901 00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:01.699 I'm like, oh wow, their story beats. It's point A, 902 00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:04.289 point B, point C and it meets them. It is 903 00:38:04.309 --> 00:38:07.349 very much like a Chesty Morgan. They're like the Chesty 904 00:38:07.389 --> 00:38:09.650 Morgans or something. I feel like she became more coherent 905 00:38:10.269 --> 00:38:14.969 in the 70s maybe after a certain point. I wonder 906 00:38:14.989 --> 00:38:18.090 what the second one would be then. I would love 907 00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:20.429 Black Snake too, but they really want to bury that. 908 00:38:20.650 --> 00:38:23.090 They want to bury Black Snake. I love Black Snake. 909 00:38:23.309 --> 00:38:26.059 I'm maybe the one from person who loves it. 910 00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:30.159 So it's possible. I don't, I don't think it's off 911 00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:30.550 the table. 912 00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:34.820 No, I wouldn't say so. Yeah. Like you said, Nate, 913 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.260 I think it'll look, I think this movie will look great. 914 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:41.159 And I like a lot of the Russ Myers past 915 00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:43.900 couple of decades. They haven't been, I mean, you had to, 916 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.480 you haven't been able to easily get them through a 917 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.019 boutique label or anything like this. You had to kind 918 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:51.099 of find them on eBay or through the, I mean, 919 00:38:51.139 --> 00:38:53.059 is that Russ Meyer? Can you even still purchase them 920 00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:54.760 straight from, The Russ Meyer estate? 921 00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:55.639 I think so. 922 00:38:55.659 --> 00:38:58.860 I mean, but there's those crazy overpriced DVDs. Yeah, those 923 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.960 crazy overpriced DVDs are like $ 50. 924 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.860 And those are old, old, old. Yeah, like the ones 925 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.480 you would want would be the Arrow ones, which David 926 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.119 Gregory worked on. So it's like, it's a nice through 927 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.579 line of... Those are out of print though, aren't they? 928 00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.969 They're all out of print. Yeah, so what I'm saying 929 00:39:14.989 --> 00:39:17.510 is if you're going to buy them from the RM estate, 930 00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:19.449 they're going to be the same gross transfers they put 931 00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:21.869 out before the Arrow transfers. At least Arrow tried to 932 00:39:21.869 --> 00:39:24.340 clean those up as best they could without having access 933 00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:29.179 to like the materials that severance does now yeah yeah i. 934 00:39:29.179 --> 00:39:30.920 Can't imagine anyone would actually go through the trouble but 935 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.780 and until the uhds the servant is um is doing 936 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.800 you know until those are complete but the best options 937 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.659 out there are probably the image laser discs that they 938 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.559 did of the russ meyers because those were actually better 939 00:39:40.579 --> 00:39:42.519 quality than the dvds but believe it or not they're 940 00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:44.420 actually better because the dvds are like super compressed and 941 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.840 really cheaply done in the arrows are fine but they're 942 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.079 they're pal and they have like a lot of like 943 00:39:48.099 --> 00:39:49.760 blurring problems so like the laser discs are kind of 944 00:39:49.780 --> 00:39:51.400 the best game in town you can find them so 945 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:54.300 you seem to have been it's a record shop yeah oh. 946 00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:56.380 And i guess i should note well something else i 947 00:39:56.420 --> 00:39:58.659 don't know gentry i don't know if the listeners also 948 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.559 nathaniel is like one of my go-to people for soundtracks 949 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.260 his taste is like chef's kiss peerless so like the 950 00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:09.179 soundtrack on this the toys of our time is yeah 951 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.500 the best original song for a Russ Meyer movie that 952 00:40:13.539 --> 00:40:15.679 is not beyond the belly of the dogs. Like that 953 00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.010 is a great song. Well, yeah, that, that soundtrack is 954 00:40:18.070 --> 00:40:20.889 really good. Um, so that's worth it. 955 00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:23.429 Do you have the soundtrack? Is there a soundtrack single? 956 00:40:23.610 --> 00:40:24.989 Yeah, it's out. It was on vinyl and CD. 957 00:40:25.030 --> 00:40:25.150 Yeah. 958 00:40:25.469 --> 00:40:26.150 Yeah. 959 00:40:26.889 --> 00:40:29.510 And I think it's streaming too, actually. I think you 960 00:40:29.530 --> 00:40:32.289 can stream the soundtrack to this. Yeah. Yeah. 961 00:40:32.329 --> 00:40:32.429 Yeah. 962 00:40:34.829 --> 00:40:38.050 Yes, that's right. Well, actually, I say the best, and 963 00:40:38.070 --> 00:40:40.739 I'm completely forgetting Faster Pussycat by the Boss Weeds, so 964 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.880 I don't know what I'm talking about. But it's definitely 965 00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:45.079 up there. Toys of Our Time is like, so when 966 00:40:45.139 --> 00:40:46.860 I had the DVD, I wouldn't watch the rest of 967 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.920 the movie. I would just play the opening credits over 968 00:40:48.940 --> 00:40:52.179 and over, which I did a lot. DVD, I just 969 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.989 leave the menu on and then just have a song 970 00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:55.750 on repeat. 971 00:40:57.210 --> 00:41:00.210 So yeah, the other film that we wanted to quickly 972 00:41:00.250 --> 00:41:03.329 discuss is The rock nights of the living dead is. 973 00:41:03.650 --> 00:41:06.050 Uh, well, code red did a blu-ray like for like 974 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:06.630 a second. 975 00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:10.130 Oh yes, they did. Yes. It was really, I remember that. 976 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:13.199 I think that review, that was one of George Eastman, 977 00:41:13.579 --> 00:41:16.039 rest in peace. One of his most scathing interviews, I believe. 978 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:17.960 They're all scathing. 979 00:41:18.019 --> 00:41:19.360 Yeah. 980 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.119 You catch him on it. One day he'll talk shit 981 00:41:21.139 --> 00:41:23.199 about Lombardo Bava. And then on a good day, he'll 982 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.420 say nice shit about Lombardo Bava. And then the same 983 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.260 about like Mark Shannon and all the people who did 984 00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:32.400 the porn stuff. Um, yeah interesting guy those interviews are 985 00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:36.929 very documentary just those interviews put together i'd watch that 986 00:41:36.949 --> 00:41:37.210 oh yeah. 987 00:41:38.670 --> 00:41:41.570 I totally forgot about that code red yeah from 2018 988 00:41:41.570 --> 00:41:44.909 that wasn't too long ago that's and mark shannon's interviewed 989 00:41:44.929 --> 00:41:45.909 on that too. 990 00:41:45.710 --> 00:41:48.150 Yeah it's a two-part because they put out that in 991 00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:49.309 porno holocaust. 992 00:41:48.949 --> 00:41:51.010 So that begs the question then is this going to 993 00:41:51.030 --> 00:41:53.940 be uhd i mean do you think that they would 994 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.179 upgrade that they would. 995 00:41:55.409 --> 00:41:58.170 That was shot on very cheap 60mm short ends. I 996 00:41:58.190 --> 00:42:00.409 think all of his stuff in the Caribbean was. I 997 00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:04.510 don't know how good that could look. I prefer Seso Nero, 998 00:42:04.989 --> 00:42:09.889 which is where Mark Shannon is given a terminal cancer 999 00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:13.570 diagnosis and decides to fuck his way through the island 1000 00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:15.010 and then castrate himself. 1001 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:15.690 Or he dies, yeah. 1002 00:42:16.449 --> 00:42:17.570 I do prefer that one. 1003 00:42:18.590 --> 00:42:20.590 That whole Santo Domingo cycle is a lot of fun, though. 1004 00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:23.840 It's weird, like just the target audience for those movies. 1005 00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:25.960 You sit there and you're just like, where did these play? 1006 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:28.679 And like, what, how did audiences sit through these? Like what's, 1007 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.429 I think you're getting like a porn movie. And then, 1008 00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:34.070 I mean, technically you get some of that, but like, 1009 00:42:34.130 --> 00:42:35.909 I can't imagine it being aroused watching some of those. 1010 00:42:35.929 --> 00:42:40.090 No, this one in particular, rock nights, the living dead 1011 00:42:40.130 --> 00:42:45.199 is not erotic. You're just showing up. Cause she's like, well, yeah, sure. 1012 00:42:45.219 --> 00:42:48.840 I'll just, I'll just hang out with Aristide in the Caribbean. 1013 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.309 yeah that's what it was all about taking his pants 1014 00:42:52.429 --> 00:42:54.849 off in a sex scene yeah george eastman refusing to 1015 00:42:54.889 --> 00:42:58.030 do nudity in this film for some reason yeah. 1016 00:42:58.969 --> 00:43:00.969 Well this begs the question too yeah i wonder if 1017 00:43:01.010 --> 00:43:04.869 they're going to be doing more of the joe caribbean films. 1018 00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:07.670 Listen if the disco at the italian disco stuff can 1019 00:43:07.690 --> 00:43:08.909 get a box. 1020 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.820 Set then joe in the caribbean. 1021 00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:14.019 Commentary then i feel like we can get a joe 1022 00:43:14.059 --> 00:43:16.960 d'amato dominican movies yeah. 1023 00:43:19.489 --> 00:43:22.230 Yeah, that'd be a hard sell for people. Like, yeah, 1024 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:25.610 Sex and Black Magic and Exotic Malice and all those. 1025 00:43:26.250 --> 00:43:28.889 Well, it's like, it's D'Amato, which they already have a 1026 00:43:28.909 --> 00:43:31.170 lot of his stuff. It's Laura Jemzer, who they already 1027 00:43:31.230 --> 00:43:35.539 really promote. George Eastman, who they did Anthropophagus and Absurd. 1028 00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:37.739 I think it's a slam dunk. I think that whole 1029 00:43:37.780 --> 00:43:40.199 collection would, that's a no-brainer for them, I would think. 1030 00:43:40.219 --> 00:43:43.260 But maybe we'll be getting that. I don't know. 1031 00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:44.659 Yeah. 1032 00:43:58.619 --> 00:44:04.929 But yeah, let's jump back into image entertainment. You can 1033 00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:08.289 reminisce about the good old days, Nate. 1034 00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:10.449 Yeah, no, I'm glad we're going to talk about this 1035 00:44:10.489 --> 00:44:12.969 because I think the home video side of sexploitation is 1036 00:44:13.010 --> 00:44:16.099 something that gets glossed over a lot, especially kind of 1037 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.139 the early days. I mean, now that the Blu-rays obviously 1038 00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:19.480 get covered a lot, but I think in the early 1039 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.760 Wild West days of DVDs, especially, it's kind of like 1040 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:25.500 a big black hole of information because... even when they 1041 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.360 got covered online, a lot of those sites have since 1042 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.579 long gone, you know, on the way back machine, they're gone. 1043 00:44:29.659 --> 00:44:33.010 So there's just, there's huge gaps in the history. So I, yeah, 1044 00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:34.269 I'm glad we can sort of go on the record 1045 00:44:34.289 --> 00:44:36.550 and sort of let people know where the, you know, 1046 00:44:36.949 --> 00:44:38.710 where some of the things that they're buying now came from. 1047 00:44:38.889 --> 00:44:42.269 But yeah, image was, I don't know how detailed you 1048 00:44:42.289 --> 00:44:44.800 want me to go, but image entertainment was originally one 1049 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:46.539 of the big players on the laser disc scene. Cause 1050 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.900 they'd been around in the eighties and they put out 1051 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:52.000 these magazines every month, like your catalogs of announcements. And 1052 00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:53.579 they have a letter from a guy named Garrett Lee, 1053 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:55.710 who was kind of the head of marketing. And so 1054 00:44:55.750 --> 00:44:57.849 when you walk into a laser shop, if you're in 1055 00:44:57.929 --> 00:45:00.170 any major city, you would see these image, you know, 1056 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:02.849 monthly magazines that were out there. And the company was 1057 00:45:02.869 --> 00:45:04.909 founded by a guy named Marty Greenwald, who was the 1058 00:45:04.949 --> 00:45:08.769 CEO for basically the entire time that it existed under its, 1059 00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:11.909 before it got bought, which was a whole tumultuous process. 1060 00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:16.139 But he actually was a sort of a movie. He 1061 00:45:16.179 --> 00:45:18.400 was kind of a backend movie producer. He wasn't credited 1062 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.639 on most of the stuff that he worked on. If 1063 00:45:19.659 --> 00:45:21.139 you go to IMDb and you look him up, you 1064 00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:23.400 only see like a tiny handful of credits. That's kind 1065 00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:25.579 of misleading, but he worked on tons of stuff. but 1066 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:26.840 a lot of it was hardcore porn. 1067 00:45:27.579 --> 00:45:28.760 Yeah, that's right. 1068 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:29.340 Yeah. 1069 00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:31.719 And the funny thing is that the image office, which 1070 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.179 was in Chatsworth. And if you know what Chatsworth that's, it's, 1071 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.699 that's sort of known as the porn capital of the 1072 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.139 U S or at least it used to be for 1073 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.239 Vegas kind of siphoned off a lot of it with 1074 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:41.960 the condom laws. But the Chatsworth is a weird place 1075 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.030 because it's kind of half crazy Bacchanalia. And the other 1076 00:45:46.050 --> 00:45:49.309 half is like super right-wing orange County, Christian conservative. And 1077 00:45:49.329 --> 00:45:51.730 I think that kind of plays a part in the 1078 00:45:51.769 --> 00:45:53.250 history of image and why it worked the way that 1079 00:45:53.289 --> 00:45:54.780 it did, which we'll go into is kind of a, 1080 00:45:55.289 --> 00:45:57.070 It was a little schizophrenic, but it was a great 1081 00:45:57.090 --> 00:45:58.980 place to work. I mean, I loved it. It was 1082 00:45:59.019 --> 00:46:01.579 really fun. But Marty was a really cool guy. But 1083 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.679 the one legit credit that he always talked about was 1084 00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:06.039 Driving Massacre. Even though he doesn't have a credit, he 1085 00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:07.780 was really the guy who got it going. And a 1086 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.159 lot of his buddies worked on it. Like he was 1087 00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:11.860 good friends with John Tull, who he was in touch 1088 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:13.019 with Harry Novak movies. 1089 00:46:13.389 --> 00:46:15.670 Yeah, we love John Tull. 1090 00:46:15.690 --> 00:46:17.670 I'm saying we have to contact Marty to see if 1091 00:46:17.849 --> 00:46:18.989 he's in touch with John Tull. 1092 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.119 Yeah, I've always wanted to talk to John. I begged 1093 00:46:22.139 --> 00:46:23.300 to get him to come in to talk about some 1094 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.739 of his movies, but we could never get him to 1095 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:25.679 come in, unfortunately. 1096 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.179 You could have gotten him on a– wait, we could 1097 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.429 have gotten a Midnight Plowboy soundtrack if they'd been able 1098 00:46:30.449 --> 00:46:31.010 to convince him. 1099 00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:31.969 A commentary, yeah. 1100 00:46:32.849 --> 00:46:33.909 Oh, my God. 1101 00:46:34.389 --> 00:46:37.090 So people were in contact with him, but he declined? 1102 00:46:38.949 --> 00:46:40.690 Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was in contact, but yeah, 1103 00:46:40.710 --> 00:46:42.769 he just doesn't– he couldn't convince him to talk about 1104 00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:44.750 his acting. I don't know why. I don't know the 1105 00:46:44.789 --> 00:46:48.980 whole story about it. Interesting. But yeah, they were good buddies. 1106 00:46:49.059 --> 00:46:52.530 Because John was an AD on Dragon Massacre. And he 1107 00:46:52.550 --> 00:46:54.630 did lots of behind-the-scenes stuff on the movies. I mean, 1108 00:46:54.650 --> 00:46:56.349 we know him as being starring in all the Hillbilly, 1109 00:46:56.389 --> 00:46:57.210 Harry Novak movies. 1110 00:46:57.230 --> 00:46:59.860 Yeah, but after that, yeah, he did behind-the-scenes stuff. 1111 00:47:00.619 --> 00:47:02.360 And then he worked in hardcore, too. I mean, he 1112 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.079 shows up in non-sex roles in certain things. And I 1113 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.840 imagine he probably worked on some of those behind-the-scenes, too. 1114 00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:10.190 We just don't know. Because, yeah, interesting. 1115 00:47:10.230 --> 00:47:10.710 Interesting. 1116 00:47:11.289 --> 00:47:14.869 OK, I have my I have my mission. If you 1117 00:47:14.989 --> 00:47:16.989 guys couldn't get him, then I don't stand a chance. 1118 00:47:17.070 --> 00:47:19.590 But, you know, you could try. Maybe he's softened up. 1119 00:47:19.610 --> 00:47:23.289 Yeah, it's been so many years now since. So, you know, 1120 00:47:23.309 --> 00:47:26.010 people change their mind. And I mean, are we assuming 1121 00:47:26.030 --> 00:47:27.050 he's still alive? 1122 00:47:27.650 --> 00:47:29.389 I hope so. Yeah, I hope so. 1123 00:47:29.849 --> 00:47:31.130 He was kind of young when he did those. 1124 00:47:31.409 --> 00:47:32.750 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 1125 00:47:33.489 --> 00:47:34.590 So, yeah. 1126 00:47:34.650 --> 00:47:37.710 So so that's where image came from. Basically got founded 1127 00:47:37.750 --> 00:47:40.090 with with porn money, essentially, and horror money, driving money. 1128 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.539 um and so marty had all those connections he was 1129 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.619 connected a lot of sort of indie producers and and 1130 00:47:45.730 --> 00:47:47.789 guys who sort of were connected to the adult scene 1131 00:47:47.829 --> 00:47:50.309 in some way or another and so um you know 1132 00:47:50.570 --> 00:47:52.309 i i i know you've sort of mentioned but the 1133 00:47:52.349 --> 00:47:54.610 rule with home video is whichever format goes with goes 1134 00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:56.400 with porn that's the one that wins so that's why 1135 00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.400 vhs beta etc and so image to start off doing 1136 00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:02.820 adult laser discs as well you know cafe flash all 1137 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.119 the biggies um all those big sort of flagship titles 1138 00:48:06.219 --> 00:48:08.949 but they also had a deal with playboy and penthouse 1139 00:48:09.030 --> 00:48:11.090 to do all their softcore stuff and so like on 1140 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:13.230 vhs all of that came through image and the laser 1141 00:48:13.250 --> 00:48:15.670 discs of all those which just the idea of those 1142 00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:18.360 those hour-long playboy videos being a laser disc is i 1143 00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:21.219 still just think is hilarious but you know whatever it 1144 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.639 had a market so people bought that stuff um but 1145 00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:26.800 he was very i mean the company is very receptive 1146 00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:30.610 to doing exploitation and softcore but it wasn't really something 1147 00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:33.610 that People didn't really know about these movies for a 1148 00:48:33.650 --> 00:48:36.489 long time because we're talking like pre-something weird. And so 1149 00:48:36.510 --> 00:48:38.429 there was kind of a void for about 15 years 1150 00:48:38.449 --> 00:48:42.300 where these movies just didn't really exist. And from my perspective, 1151 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:43.539 I didn't even really know about them when I was 1152 00:48:43.579 --> 00:48:47.000 a kid until I think it was 1986, I think, 1153 00:48:47.579 --> 00:48:49.940 whenever Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 came out. But Film Comment 1154 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.219 did an issue. I don't know if you guys have 1155 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.269 seen that one, but we had Texas Chainsaw 2 on 1156 00:48:53.309 --> 00:48:56.389 the cover. But they did this long spread inside all 1157 00:48:56.449 --> 00:48:59.559 about sexploitation. And like they went in depth on the 1158 00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:01.300 David Freedman's and they had all the posters, like these 1159 00:49:01.340 --> 00:49:03.460 gorgeous color reproductions. And then they talked about like there 1160 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.840 was like the raw ones was in there and all 1161 00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:06.809 these things. And I was like, what are these movies? 1162 00:49:06.829 --> 00:49:08.269 You know, and I'm just like, I was like 13 1163 00:49:08.269 --> 00:49:09.769 or something. I was like, what is this stuff? This 1164 00:49:09.809 --> 00:49:12.889 wasn't in Psychotronic. It wasn't any of that stuff. And 1165 00:49:13.969 --> 00:49:15.530 but those movies, you just couldn't see most of them, 1166 00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:18.429 as you know, as you know. And so I think that, 1167 00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:20.480 um you know when something weird came along that was 1168 00:49:20.900 --> 00:49:22.920 um that was a huge game changer of course and 1169 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.489 and being a you know crazy cult movie kid you 1170 00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:27.309 know i'd scour every video store to find them because 1171 00:49:27.329 --> 00:49:29.030 you couldn't pay 20 bucks a pop to see every 1172 00:49:29.070 --> 00:49:31.789 single one of those because yeah no high school kid 1173 00:49:31.809 --> 00:49:33.829 can afford that um your allowance isn't that big but 1174 00:49:34.150 --> 00:49:37.539 um no And of course, Tim Lucas covering in Video Watchdog, etc. 1175 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.900 So the ground was really primed, I think, for those. 1176 00:49:40.699 --> 00:49:42.550 I think Mike Rainey came along at the right time 1177 00:49:42.610 --> 00:49:44.159 because people were starting to go, what is this stuff? 1178 00:49:44.179 --> 00:49:48.190 We want something different. And Image jumped in right when 1179 00:49:48.250 --> 00:49:51.769 there was that transition from Laserdisc to DVD. So that's 1180 00:49:51.789 --> 00:49:53.570 right when they jumped in with companies like Redemption and 1181 00:49:53.590 --> 00:49:55.989 they started doing stuff like Devil's Nightmare and Cold Eyes 1182 00:49:56.030 --> 00:49:59.769 of Fear and all that stuff. And Mike Rainey, obviously, 1183 00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:01.750 the movies that he owned, because Something Weird was kind 1184 00:50:01.789 --> 00:50:03.469 of a great market company when it started off, but 1185 00:50:03.489 --> 00:50:06.110 the Friedman thing really Legitimize him. 1186 00:50:06.190 --> 00:50:06.949 Yeah. Yeah. 1187 00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:09.409 And I think and I think that's when Harry Novak 1188 00:50:09.449 --> 00:50:11.070 kind of noticed. And there was a whole like I 1189 00:50:11.070 --> 00:50:12.690 think there's a little bit of a rivalry thing going 1190 00:50:12.769 --> 00:50:16.269 on there through the whole something weird period kind of escalated, 1191 00:50:16.449 --> 00:50:17.289 which we'll go into. 1192 00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:21.579 Harry's like, I see I see my old my old nemesis, Dave, 1193 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.760 making money off this. How do I get in on it? 1194 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:24.659 Exactly, yeah. 1195 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:26.539 I mean, I think Harry was like, why is he 1196 00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.380 loving Dave Friedman so much? What about me? 1197 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.880 That seems like that paid off, though. I feel like 1198 00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:35.059 there were more Novaks than Friedmans at the end of 1199 00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:35.460 the day. 1200 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:35.559 Yeah. 1201 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.139 Because his library was, I think, bigger. Yeah, I mean. 1202 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.280 Oh, yeah. Not that I'm not Friedman. 1203 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.400 But yeah, Novak built up that library, yeah. 1204 00:50:42.780 --> 00:50:44.719 And it's funny, I mean, because again, obviously you pair 1205 00:50:44.739 --> 00:50:46.500 something up. You've got, you know, Kiss Me Quick and 1206 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.559 House on Bear Mountain. You know, you have like, it's 1207 00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:50.550 funny how there's a synchronicity between the two that I 1208 00:50:50.570 --> 00:50:52.630 don't think they would have. Because, again, they were sort 1209 00:50:52.650 --> 00:50:54.969 of rivals. But it's funny how their tomographies kind of 1210 00:50:54.989 --> 00:50:57.219 line up with what they own. It's funny that, again, 1211 00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.679 it was just really good synchronicity. 1212 00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:00.699 Well, who would decide on those pairings? 1213 00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:05.920 So, yeah. So, Image did a deal with Mike. So, 1214 00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:07.920 they would do like 20 titles to 25 titles at 1215 00:51:07.940 --> 00:51:10.369 a time. They would keep doing new contracts for these things. 1216 00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.789 And so, yeah. So, let me back up. So, Image, 1217 00:51:14.849 --> 00:51:17.190 of course, jumped into DVDs pretty early on. And they 1218 00:51:17.230 --> 00:51:18.889 did it. Mike was one of the earliest deals they did, 1219 00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:21.840 I believe. Because they ported over the Redemptions. But they 1220 00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:24.019 were like, yeah, let's do some of the horror and exploitation. 1221 00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:25.739 And stuff like Blood Feast and Color Me Blood Red, 1222 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:27.480 those were the obvious ones. Because people knew those because 1223 00:51:27.500 --> 00:51:30.269 those had been on tape. And Basket Case, which Frank 1224 00:51:30.309 --> 00:51:32.949 let them do as something weird for a while. But 1225 00:51:32.969 --> 00:51:35.369 those were standalones. But Mike had all this stuff to 1226 00:51:35.409 --> 00:51:38.510 do bonus features. And he would do his own commentaries 1227 00:51:38.550 --> 00:51:40.949 with Dave Friedman. But the problem is a lot of 1228 00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:43.630 these folks were in LA. And Mike was in Seattle. 1229 00:51:43.650 --> 00:51:47.090 And he couldn't always come down. So luckily, Image was 1230 00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:49.449 kind of its own self-sufficient thing. Like it was a big, 1231 00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:53.829 a big. kind of double building thing in Chatsworth. And 1232 00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:57.639 they had their own production wing, their own production department, 1233 00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.800 which had about maybe 12 employees, I think. They had 1234 00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:03.219 their own art department, which was about seven employees. Basically, 1235 00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.860 they did everything in-house except for printing, the actual manufacturing, 1236 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.280 replicating of the discs, that all got done outside. But 1237 00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:11.929 aside from that, everything was inside. They had their own 1238 00:52:11.969 --> 00:52:15.349 QC people, which is a lost art, unfortunately. Nobody QCs 1239 00:52:15.369 --> 00:52:17.170 discs anymore. That's why you have recalls all the time 1240 00:52:17.230 --> 00:52:17.530 on stuff. 1241 00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:20.340 Um, I know it's, it seems like way more than 1242 00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:21.380 ever these days. 1243 00:52:21.389 --> 00:52:21.489 Yeah. 1244 00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:23.880 It's far more. We don't need to pay QC people. 1245 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.980 It's like, it saves so much money. Like, I'm sorry 1246 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.320 you got to pay regular paycheck, but you know, these 1247 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.460 recalls cost a ton of money. Um, cause I mean, 1248 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.699 we QC people at every, not just image, but like, 1249 00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.599 you know, Blunderground and Anchor Bay. Like, I mean, every, 1250 00:52:35.619 --> 00:52:38.000 all these companies, like they used to just QC everything, 1251 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.659 every company would like, you would QC every audio track, 1252 00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.699 you'd QC on multiple players, you'd make sure everything worked. 1253 00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:45.139 You know, they don't do it anymore. Um, which is 1254 00:52:45.219 --> 00:52:49.420 a shame. Um, So Mike would actually, so there are three, 1255 00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:52.679 really three people involved. There's Mike Rainey and Lisa, his wife, 1256 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.489 and then Frank Hennenlotter. So they would kind of come 1257 00:52:55.510 --> 00:52:58.150 up with what eventually became the double features because these 1258 00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:01.389 were singles at first in those snapper cases. And they started, 1259 00:53:01.409 --> 00:53:03.050 they were like, well, these movies are short and we 1260 00:53:03.090 --> 00:53:06.230 can have all these extras. So let's start pairing them up. And, um, 1261 00:53:06.369 --> 00:53:08.289 cause originally you'd have stuff like erotic adventures of Zorro 1262 00:53:08.309 --> 00:53:10.230 just came out by itself, you know, just, you know, 1263 00:53:10.869 --> 00:53:12.489 not much on it, you know, it was kind of, 1264 00:53:12.530 --> 00:53:14.349 kind of sparse. And so he thought it'd be fun 1265 00:53:14.369 --> 00:53:16.030 to start pairing these up because you had all the 1266 00:53:16.070 --> 00:53:18.619 space on the disc. This isn't like a VHS tape 1267 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.820 you've only got two hours to work with. You could 1268 00:53:21.260 --> 00:53:23.900 kind of go nuts. 1269 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.500 He was careful about he wanted to give them as 1270 00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:30.699 much content as he could with the space on the disc. 1271 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.969 They would actually do the math because they would figure, okay, 1272 00:53:33.409 --> 00:53:35.090 we have this space. How much can we fit on 1273 00:53:35.110 --> 00:53:37.230 there before we have to start knocking the compression down, 1274 00:53:37.429 --> 00:53:41.349 before it starts looking like crap? Those discs still look good. 1275 00:53:41.389 --> 00:53:43.750 Those DVDs look really nice. Those were beautiful scans, but 1276 00:53:43.789 --> 00:53:46.820 almost all off the negatives for the most part. And 1277 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.760 it was really funny because I would actually see they 1278 00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:51.019 would send, once they figure out double feature, Mike would 1279 00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:52.659 figure out like, okay, how much can we get on there? 1280 00:53:52.699 --> 00:53:54.719 Like down to the minute, like what, how many, how 1281 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.610 much can we cram onto these discs? I think the 1282 00:53:57.630 --> 00:53:59.510 funniest one was monster's crust, the pajama party. Cause that 1283 00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:01.630 disc was like, I mean, it was literally down to 1284 00:54:01.670 --> 00:54:03.929 like no room left on that disc. I was like, 1285 00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:05.489 how much can we just shove in there? 1286 00:54:06.150 --> 00:54:08.070 But it was such a masterpiece. You know, it's funny. 1287 00:54:08.449 --> 00:54:13.090 I remember that I, went through that thing and actually 1288 00:54:13.210 --> 00:54:17.309 wrote down myself a little roadmap. So I have it 1289 00:54:17.409 --> 00:54:20.389 in there with the chat, with the chapter listing insert. 1290 00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:22.489 And I think there's a booklet that with the interviews 1291 00:54:22.530 --> 00:54:24.570 with some spook show people. And yeah, I have, I 1292 00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:26.309 have my map in there. Cause I'm like, I need 1293 00:54:26.329 --> 00:54:30.480 to be able to find certain things. That was like, 1294 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.739 that was, I think the, the crowning achievement of, of 1295 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:37.619 that programming, because let's go to the drive-in already. Um, 1296 00:54:37.989 --> 00:54:40.469 like a game changer. Like that was incredible. But yeah, 1297 00:54:40.510 --> 00:54:43.309 the monsters crossed the pajama party was such a wonderful experience. 1298 00:54:43.349 --> 00:54:46.309 Just that whole disc was like, you could tell the 1299 00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:47.530 joy that went into making that. 1300 00:54:48.010 --> 00:54:49.159 Oh, so that was a real labor of love. 1301 00:54:49.179 --> 00:54:49.519 Yeah. 1302 00:54:49.579 --> 00:54:51.800 I'll never forget. We had, we had multiple meetings about 1303 00:54:51.820 --> 00:54:52.050 that one. 1304 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:53.519 Really? 1305 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:54.300 Yeah. 1306 00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:56.739 Um, because we had our own menu artists, um, we 1307 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.639 had our own menu designers. And so like Mike would 1308 00:54:58.659 --> 00:55:00.420 actually get on the phone with our menu guy who was, 1309 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.530 cause he would assign many people to these movies and 1310 00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:05.230 they were actually like There were two menu artists and 1311 00:55:05.250 --> 00:55:07.610 there were two cover designers who loved something with weird titles. 1312 00:55:07.849 --> 00:55:09.630 They would ask for them and they loved working on them. 1313 00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:13.659 So these were really inside images. These were really beloved movies. 1314 00:55:13.820 --> 00:55:15.639 But yeah, just having Mike on the phone laying out, okay, 1315 00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:16.559 I want to do this. I want you to go 1316 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:18.119 in here and go to the hall. Laying it out 1317 00:55:18.139 --> 00:55:19.420 in the menu artist. We have to sit there and 1318 00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.739 just figure out how can I make this happen? What 1319 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.300 kind of madness is this? I'm building a house in 1320 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.840 the menu and hiding all the stuff in it. How 1321 00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:28.550 is this going to work? But they did it somehow. 1322 00:55:28.570 --> 00:55:28.650 Yeah. 1323 00:55:30.050 --> 00:55:32.889 It really is like there there's no other release like 1324 00:55:32.969 --> 00:55:34.280 it and i don't think you could do it like 1325 00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:36.500 that i don't think you could try to replicate something 1326 00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:41.179 like that now yeah i don't think the technology has 1327 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.400 improved in so many ways but i feel like it's 1328 00:55:43.579 --> 00:55:46.679 gone in the reverse as far as menus i feel 1329 00:55:46.699 --> 00:55:50.050 like the menus do not have that fun interactive way 1330 00:55:50.389 --> 00:55:52.329 like there's a dvd of a movie called girls would 1331 00:55:52.349 --> 00:55:54.610 be girls that dvd that mgm put out of this 1332 00:55:54.650 --> 00:55:57.480 drag queen comedy Where, like, the characters are on the 1333 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.559 menu and they have, like, comic business while they're telling 1334 00:56:00.579 --> 00:56:03.539 you to, like, press chapter or special features. And it's 1335 00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.739 just like, that's gone. I don't know why that. 1336 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.239 Isn't done now. It's a lost art, for sure. 1337 00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:08.639 It is. 1338 00:56:08.699 --> 00:56:09.639 It's a lost art. 1339 00:56:10.030 --> 00:56:10.800 The DVD menu is a lost art. 1340 00:56:10.809 --> 00:56:12.670 We don't know how to do it anymore. It's like 1341 00:56:12.690 --> 00:56:13.329 that joke. 1342 00:56:14.110 --> 00:56:16.110 It's kind of like Easter eggs. Easter eggs used to 1343 00:56:16.150 --> 00:56:18.900 be much more prevalent. It's not that they've gone away completely, but... 1344 00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:23.000 they used to be much more fun to try to 1345 00:56:23.059 --> 00:56:25.980 find them. And actually, you, sir, were always really good 1346 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.280 about letting people know, click around, you're going to be 1347 00:56:29.300 --> 00:56:32.070 able to find something fun. So I was like, okay, good, 1348 00:56:32.090 --> 00:56:33.070 Nathaniel knows. 1349 00:56:33.190 --> 00:56:38.630 But not telling exactly where to find it either. Exactly. 1350 00:56:39.210 --> 00:56:40.630 At least you knew to look, though. That's something that 1351 00:56:40.650 --> 00:56:42.909 just triggers people to punch around your menus. As long 1352 00:56:42.949 --> 00:56:44.989 as you know something's there, then you can go and 1353 00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:45.840 start messing around with it. 1354 00:56:46.309 --> 00:56:48.949 Yes and that was why it was yeah that's why 1355 00:56:48.969 --> 00:56:51.389 that i think that well home video i like that 1356 00:56:51.469 --> 00:56:53.710 it's still going and boutique labels which are going but 1357 00:56:54.030 --> 00:56:56.280 i feel like there's that level of creativity that is 1358 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.159 just not there for some reason and i don't know 1359 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.500 i don't know why that is but i would love 1360 00:57:01.539 --> 00:57:04.920 it to come back in that way um but yeah. 1361 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:06.360 I would too i think because everything's so far out 1362 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.280 now i think is when you have people like when 1363 00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:09.940 someone is sitting at their desk right from you who's 1364 00:57:09.980 --> 00:57:12.510 doing the menus i think it there's much more spontaneous 1365 00:57:12.619 --> 00:57:14.699 i think you kind of you know, you're more willing 1366 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:15.889 to have like fun with it. And you're all sitting 1367 00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:17.449 in the same meetings together. I just think it's a 1368 00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:19.309 different thing. I mean, I think grindhouse is still keeping 1369 00:57:19.329 --> 00:57:21.489 it alive as far as like the menu craziness. Like 1370 00:57:22.030 --> 00:57:23.329 I still look forward to it. 1371 00:57:23.869 --> 00:57:24.670 Yes, that's true. 1372 00:57:24.769 --> 00:57:27.530 They do. Yeah. Well, and, but also they're also, they've 1373 00:57:27.550 --> 00:57:30.190 been doing it for so long that they, yeah, they 1374 00:57:30.230 --> 00:57:32.960 have mastered that. We're doing that in the DVD era. 1375 00:57:33.139 --> 00:57:34.929 So yeah, it's like, we're just going to keep doing it. 1376 00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:37.519 I feel like it's been the same people that entire time. 1377 00:57:37.539 --> 00:57:42.349 So yeah, I don't know. Gosh, I get very wistful 1378 00:57:42.369 --> 00:57:43.230 thinking about that. 1379 00:57:43.289 --> 00:57:49.710 I'm thinking about who's doing good maze today. I think Reinhardt. 1380 00:57:50.730 --> 00:57:55.130 They're really good. They know what they're doing. Sorry, everyone else. 1381 00:57:57.449 --> 00:57:59.590 Go look at MonsterCrest the Pajama Party and try to 1382 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.219 make something like that happen. it doesn't have to be 1383 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.190 exactly that, but something fun, you know, like something that it, 1384 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.969 cause it is that it's an extra level of engagement 1385 00:58:08.010 --> 00:58:10.429 with the, with the person who bought it, where it's like, 1386 00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:13.489 it's now become like a treasured part of their collection 1387 00:58:13.530 --> 00:58:15.050 and they can still go back. 1388 00:58:14.809 --> 00:58:16.789 And find fun stuff potentially. 1389 00:58:16.829 --> 00:58:20.550 And yeah, I don't know. 1390 00:58:20.989 --> 00:58:21.199 Yeah. 1391 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.500 It almost feels like Mike's mindset was, this is it. 1392 00:58:25.579 --> 00:58:28.000 This is like the last time this is ever going 1393 00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:31.019 to be released on home video. Let's do it big. 1394 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.559 and like put as much as we can on here 1395 00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:37.679 make it look as good as possible because i think 1396 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.159 he did have that mindset of like he wasn't interested 1397 00:58:40.179 --> 00:58:42.510 in blu-ray when it came around he was like why 1398 00:58:42.550 --> 00:58:44.130 are we doing this so. 1399 00:58:43.989 --> 00:58:45.809 Oh yeah i mean the only time mike and i 1400 00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:48.070 i mean like sort of amicably we butt heads because 1401 00:58:48.130 --> 00:58:50.670 he did not want to go anamorphic widescreen on anything 1402 00:58:50.769 --> 00:58:53.730 like he hated it because he watched everything yeah like 1403 00:58:53.750 --> 00:58:55.630 he watched everything in like an old like two crt 1404 00:58:55.670 --> 00:58:57.369 tv like he wanted everything to look like a beaver 1405 00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:59.679 Cause he watched that, um, which is funny. He loved 1406 00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:01.900 that aesthetic. And like, I had to actually like really 1407 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.449 twist his arm hard to get two titles done that way. Um, 1408 00:59:05.389 --> 00:59:07.409 unfortunately that was one where the replicator screwed up and 1409 00:59:07.429 --> 00:59:09.610 that was Hercules, um, versus the moon man where they 1410 00:59:09.909 --> 00:59:12.429 actually flagged it wrong i mean he's like see i told. 1411 00:59:12.289 --> 00:59:17.989 You i remember when that happened yes i. 1412 00:59:17.929 --> 00:59:21.409 Did um so that's why you have so many flat 1413 00:59:21.429 --> 00:59:23.889 letterbox transfers from them for like the scope luckily like 1414 00:59:24.010 --> 00:59:26.099 almost none of his movies were scoped thank god um 1415 00:59:26.380 --> 00:59:28.570 so you Um, usually he would just transfer, like get 1416 00:59:28.610 --> 00:59:30.050 the next and they would just do open mat or like, 1417 00:59:30.090 --> 00:59:31.449 you know, letterbox in a little bit where it had 1418 00:59:31.469 --> 00:59:33.510 to be when it was hard matted. Um, so for 1419 00:59:33.530 --> 00:59:34.710 the most part, it was fine. It wasn't even really 1420 00:59:34.730 --> 00:59:36.230 a big deal. And thank God they were open max 1421 00:59:36.269 --> 00:59:38.210 and you got extra sleazy stuff at the top and bottom. 1422 00:59:38.269 --> 00:59:41.090 So whatever, everybody wins. So it's all good. 1423 00:59:41.469 --> 00:59:41.590 Yeah. 1424 00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:44.170 There weren't that many scope. I'm trying to think of like, uh, well, 1425 00:59:44.190 --> 00:59:47.309 labyrinth of sex was a scope one and they never 1426 00:59:47.349 --> 00:59:51.269 put out sexy pro a bitissimo except in little clips 1427 00:59:51.449 --> 00:59:54.869 all over different releases. They never put it out on 1428 00:59:54.909 --> 00:59:57.190 its own, but yeah, that was, yeah, it's funny. I 1429 00:59:57.510 --> 00:59:59.489 think that's kind of the nature of that genre. It's like, 1430 00:59:59.530 --> 01:00:01.559 who's shooting in scope? Who has the money for that? 1431 01:00:02.500 --> 01:00:02.800 You know? 1432 01:00:03.099 --> 01:00:04.579 So it kind of works out, just put out all 1433 01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:05.599 this stuff in full frame. 1434 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.760 Um, so backing up. So the way that I got 1435 01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:12.320 an image was I, after I finished college, I had 1436 01:00:12.409 --> 01:00:15.409 started my website and I was doing the whole Mobius thing, um, 1437 01:00:15.590 --> 01:00:18.530 which we've mentioned. And, um, so I moved to LA 1438 01:00:18.550 --> 01:00:20.050 and I was working at DreamWorks for about a year. Um, 1439 01:00:20.050 --> 01:00:21.989 and I was like, this is fine. I really don't 1440 01:00:22.010 --> 01:00:23.170 want to do a studio thing. Cause it was just 1441 01:00:23.190 --> 01:00:25.320 kind of corporate and you know, whatever. It was fun, 1442 01:00:25.389 --> 01:00:29.219 but whatever. Um, but at image, um, DVD had really 1443 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:31.590 just kicked off and they had actually started a company 1444 01:00:31.610 --> 01:00:34.250 called DVD planet, which had bought out. There's a chain 1445 01:00:34.269 --> 01:00:37.250 of laser distorsion called Ken cranes, which was also getting 1446 01:00:37.269 --> 01:00:39.309 into DVDs. It's like, well, we want to get on 1447 01:00:39.329 --> 01:00:40.650 the bottom floor of this. So he started this company 1448 01:00:40.670 --> 01:00:43.219 called DVD planet, which was actually on the same property 1449 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.480 as image. Like I said, there was basically two huge 1450 01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:49.519 converted warehouses. So the other warehouse became DVD planet. And so, um, 1451 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.090 They hired me on because the guy who had just 1452 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:54.829 come over, he had moved to L.A. from Philly, a 1453 01:00:54.829 --> 01:00:56.769 man named Mark Walco. He's a good friend of mine. 1454 01:00:57.110 --> 01:00:57.869 Oh, I love Mark. 1455 01:00:57.889 --> 01:00:59.130 Yeah. Yeah, Mark is awesome. 1456 01:00:59.150 --> 01:01:00.650 I'm the Mobius person, right? 1457 01:01:01.050 --> 01:01:01.650 Yep, yep. 1458 01:01:02.550 --> 01:01:04.510 I'm telling you, it's the Rosetta Stone of everybody in 1459 01:01:04.530 --> 01:01:08.380 this business. I think everybody who's still working in this business, 1460 01:01:08.389 --> 01:01:10.039 they all started at Mobius, honestly. 1461 01:01:10.059 --> 01:01:11.699 Yeah, it seems like it, yeah. I mean, it's such 1462 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:13.380 a tiny pond, really, and it still is. 1463 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.099 Right, yep. 1464 01:01:15.539 --> 01:01:18.539 And so Mark had gone over to image to do PR. 1465 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.820 And so he was the guy who was involved in 1466 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:23.300 the very first batch of snapper case titles or something weird. 1467 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:26.389 And I was basically the editor at DVD planet because 1468 01:01:26.409 --> 01:01:29.530 they would do regular weekly update things. And I worked 1469 01:01:29.550 --> 01:01:31.130 a lot with Frank Henenlotter because he was going to 1470 01:01:31.230 --> 01:01:32.909 be the spokesperson for something weird. So Frank and I 1471 01:01:32.929 --> 01:01:35.869 were like, you know, super tight work because he wrote, 1472 01:01:36.429 --> 01:01:38.739 it kills me. This is an archive because they took 1473 01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:40.880 my computer and I don't have, he wrote the most 1474 01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:43.989 amazing columns ever. about all the DVDs that were coming out. 1475 01:01:44.050 --> 01:01:45.369 He did write up some things like for your height 1476 01:01:45.449 --> 01:01:47.300 only and stuff like that. There were just like the 1477 01:01:47.570 --> 01:01:50.500 funniest crap I've ever read in my life. And, um, 1478 01:01:50.659 --> 01:01:53.059 and they're just genius like columns that he wrote for 1479 01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:56.340 DVD planet. And, um, so just working with Frank, you know, 1480 01:01:56.380 --> 01:02:00.400 for that, that was amazing. Um, but so, but I would, 1481 01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:02.320 you know, go back and forth between DVD planet and 1482 01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:04.099 the image offices all the time. We'd all have lunch 1483 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.860 and all that. And, um, so then what happened was, 1484 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.559 and that originally this wasn't common knowledge, but I think 1485 01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:11.320 I can say now, cause they're, you know, it's long gone. Um, 1486 01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.099 but they got a blackmail call from some guy in 1487 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.800 Russia who would like hack the site. And, um, he 1488 01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:19.380 was like, you will pay me, you know, $ 600, 000 or 1489 01:02:19.539 --> 01:02:21.860 I will leak all of your customer info or something 1490 01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:25.719 like that. And, um, and they were like, uh, whatever. 1491 01:02:25.780 --> 01:02:27.039 I think they want to pay the guy off, but 1492 01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:29.469 they want to just dumping DVD planet. They essentially just 1493 01:02:29.489 --> 01:02:33.320 closed because of this blackmail guy. Yeah, all because of 1494 01:02:33.340 --> 01:02:35.920 this extortion guy. I wasn't in all the meetings about it, 1495 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:37.440 but yeah, it's basically because it's blackmailer. And they were 1496 01:02:37.460 --> 01:02:38.639 just like, this is way too much of a hassle. 1497 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:40.179 It was just such a nightmare dealing with this. 1498 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:43.409 Oh, my God. Yeah. 1499 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.210 But the timing worked out because at the same time 1500 01:02:46.250 --> 01:02:47.530 this happened. And so they were like, so they cut 1501 01:02:47.550 --> 01:02:49.510 the staff and they wanted to absorb all the DVD 1502 01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:52.429 Planet folks back into Image. At the same time, Mark 1503 01:02:52.469 --> 01:02:55.289 wanted to move to New York to marry his then fiance, 1504 01:02:55.329 --> 01:02:57.230 which he did. So he went off to go work 1505 01:02:57.250 --> 01:02:59.829 for Criterion in New York. And Image was also at 1506 01:02:59.849 --> 01:03:02.409 the time, they were the distributor for Criterion. And were 1507 01:03:02.449 --> 01:03:04.190 for many, many years, which people tend to forget that. 1508 01:03:05.449 --> 01:03:07.730 We had our own dedicated criterion person in-house. And so 1509 01:03:07.809 --> 01:03:09.449 I just sort of leapfrogged over and I took over 1510 01:03:09.469 --> 01:03:12.510 for Mark. So I inherited something weird line, right? As 1511 01:03:12.550 --> 01:03:14.329 it was, you know, like, you know, and it's, as 1512 01:03:14.349 --> 01:03:17.230 it was getting off the ground and like all the, 1513 01:03:17.369 --> 01:03:21.860 the Euro, the Euro shock titles, anything weird, the Ted B. 1514 01:03:21.889 --> 01:03:25.760 Michael stuff, all the, all the British sexploitation stuff, the 1515 01:03:25.780 --> 01:03:28.599 British sex comedies, all that wound up going over to me. 1516 01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:28.820 Right. 1517 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:30.019 Like the, what was that? Jezebel? 1518 01:03:30.829 --> 01:03:37.639 Yeah, Jezebel was like Redemption's exploitation line was Jezebel. Redemption, Salvation, 1519 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.800 Jezebel thing, it's kind of fuzzy. They sort of rotate around. 1520 01:03:40.860 --> 01:03:44.639 It's a little confusing. But it was really fun. And 1521 01:03:44.659 --> 01:03:48.090 the nice thing was that because Mike, again, was in 1522 01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:49.590 Seattle most of the time, he would come down maybe 1523 01:03:49.650 --> 01:03:54.610 twice a year. He and Lisa would come. But for 1524 01:03:54.630 --> 01:03:56.309 the most part, he was based out of there. But 1525 01:03:56.329 --> 01:03:58.469 they wanted to keep upping their special features. And so 1526 01:03:59.110 --> 01:04:00.989 They were like, well, we want commentaries, but these are 1527 01:04:01.010 --> 01:04:02.429 LA folks. So can I just send them over to you? 1528 01:04:02.449 --> 01:04:03.710 And I was like, yeah, I'll do it. So that's 1529 01:04:03.869 --> 01:04:05.949 kind of how the commentary thing started with me because 1530 01:04:06.070 --> 01:04:08.829 we would do all of our commentaries in house. Um, 1531 01:04:08.989 --> 01:04:10.809 we normally record them on dad tapes, which is what 1532 01:04:10.849 --> 01:04:13.010 Mike did as well. Um, for those who don't remember 1533 01:04:13.050 --> 01:04:14.929 dad tapes for like digital audio tapes or like little 1534 01:04:15.210 --> 01:04:18.070 tiny things, I'm sure. Um, old timers might remember what 1535 01:04:18.090 --> 01:04:20.449 those are, um, because of good sound quality, they were 1536 01:04:20.469 --> 01:04:22.559 good for archiving. And so he'd be like, you know, Oh, 1537 01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.219 can I send Larry Buchanan over to you? And you'll, 1538 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:27.320 you know, for a commentary. I'm like, sure, whatever. So, 1539 01:04:27.329 --> 01:04:28.550 you know, I'll take two hours of my day, just 1540 01:04:28.570 --> 01:04:30.650 block it off. And later I'll come, we'll sit down 1541 01:04:30.670 --> 01:04:32.429 with the mics and just watch the movie and chat 1542 01:04:32.449 --> 01:04:35.369 about it. Um, you know, because I guess he trusted 1543 01:04:35.409 --> 01:04:36.829 me that I knew what the movies were and that 1544 01:04:36.869 --> 01:04:38.449 he knew what a fan I was. Cause again, I 1545 01:04:38.510 --> 01:04:40.329 just sort of cut my teeth on these movies. Um, 1546 01:04:40.989 --> 01:04:43.929 and so it, you know, it worked out. Um, but 1547 01:04:43.949 --> 01:04:45.849 you know, but Mike stayed with like the Friedman stuff was, 1548 01:04:45.929 --> 01:04:47.469 was all his. I mean, he did all those, obviously 1549 01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:50.159 you could hear him on those. And, um, The really 1550 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.320 fun thing is that image would also, um, let me 1551 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:54.219 go to the chiller convention, which they would, you know, 1552 01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:55.679 they have multiples, but the big one is the Halloween 1553 01:04:55.699 --> 01:04:57.139 one they would have every year in New Jersey. And 1554 01:04:57.179 --> 01:04:59.139 so I would get a dealer pass and I would 1555 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.139 basically go help out at something weird table with them. 1556 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:02.980 And then we'd all just sort of hang out. And 1557 01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:05.099 like we were saying, cause like Mark Walco would be 1558 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.360 there and like, you know, Mike Felsher, Mike Engel, and 1559 01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.559 like all the, all the video guys were there every year. 1560 01:05:09.619 --> 01:05:10.500 So it's kind of, we would all just go out 1561 01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:12.340 and have pizza and drink beers after. And it was, 1562 01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:14.559 it was, people think we're all competitors, but it was 1563 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:16.159 kind of like more cause we all love the same movie. 1564 01:05:16.179 --> 01:05:17.260 So it was kind of more like a family kind 1565 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.809 of thing. Um, But it was really fun. But Mike 1566 01:05:19.869 --> 01:05:23.980 would bring Dave Friedman a lot to chiller. So you're 1567 01:05:24.019 --> 01:05:25.820 hanging out with Dave Friedman for like a whole weekend. 1568 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:31.340 You're like, this is heaven. He's just the best. And 1569 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:32.429 I'm just glad I got to hang out with all 1570 01:05:32.469 --> 01:05:34.210 these guys before they left us. I mean, I know 1571 01:05:34.230 --> 01:05:38.010 because you've talked to Dave too. It really felt like 1572 01:05:38.030 --> 01:05:40.309 the end of an era when they started leaving us because, yeah, 1573 01:05:40.329 --> 01:05:41.710 it was really strange. 1574 01:05:42.650 --> 01:05:42.909 Yeah. 1575 01:05:43.190 --> 01:05:44.949 Well, it was just, well, when day, and it was funny, 1576 01:05:44.969 --> 01:05:46.789 cause there are still people who are still, who were 1577 01:05:46.849 --> 01:05:50.369 around after date pass, but it still felt like that was, 1578 01:05:50.389 --> 01:05:53.210 it was the end when he passed. Cause it was 1579 01:05:53.250 --> 01:05:56.010 because he really was kind of like, he knew everybody. 1580 01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:57.949 And cause he really reached the top of the industry 1581 01:05:57.989 --> 01:06:01.070 as far as the AFAA goes. So he knew literally everybody. 1582 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.880 So when he went, it really was kind of like, okay, 1583 01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:05.559 there are some people left, but it felt like there 1584 01:06:05.579 --> 01:06:08.360 were like, they were, they were scattered. It wasn't, there 1585 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.340 wasn't like a central figure that you could go to. 1586 01:06:11.329 --> 01:06:13.550 it's going to give you like the best version of 1587 01:06:13.570 --> 01:06:17.630 the history of the industry. So, yeah, that was, and 1588 01:06:17.670 --> 01:06:20.260 he wasn't even that old really. I mean, he was old, obviously, 1589 01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:22.960 but like, I know people that are still alive now 1590 01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:26.780 that I just found out that Ray Anthony's still alive 1591 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.539 and maybe the endurance still alive. So not, not as 1592 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.619 old as them when he passed away, you know? Yeah. 1593 01:06:33.489 --> 01:06:35.929 Well, what were some of your favorite commentaries to do? 1594 01:06:35.949 --> 01:06:37.289 Oh gosh. 1595 01:06:37.610 --> 01:06:39.909 Well, getting to do Larry Buchanan was really fun. That was, 1596 01:06:39.929 --> 01:06:44.340 that was really cool. And, Let me think. Which one 1597 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:44.550 was that? 1598 01:06:44.570 --> 01:06:46.559 Was that for Naked Witch or was that for Common 1599 01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:47.760 Law Wife? 1600 01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:48.840 Or did you do both? 1601 01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:49.780 I'm trying to remember now. 1602 01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:52.500 That, I think, wasn't that, no, it was for, I 1603 01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:53.619 think it was Lee Harvey Oswald. 1604 01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:55.760 Oh, Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, right. 1605 01:06:55.980 --> 01:06:58.210 Okay, that's right. I keep forgetting that came out. 1606 01:06:58.690 --> 01:07:01.449 Yeah. I wish it was Naked Witch. Naked Witch would 1607 01:07:01.469 --> 01:07:06.429 have been really fun. But yeah, I mean, yeah, but 1608 01:07:06.469 --> 01:07:08.269 it was a blast. And I mean, it also, getting 1609 01:07:08.289 --> 01:07:10.280 to the tracks, so it gave me a little bit of, 1610 01:07:10.780 --> 01:07:12.340 I guess leverage where I could actually sort of like 1611 01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:14.639 for some titles through that I wanted done that they 1612 01:07:14.659 --> 01:07:17.570 weren't kind of resistant to. Cause like then, Oh, so 1613 01:07:17.670 --> 01:07:19.469 I should back up just a second. So image, like 1614 01:07:19.510 --> 01:07:21.469 I said, was doing porn on Laserdisc, but when DVD 1615 01:07:21.510 --> 01:07:24.829 came along, um, they had actually changed a bit because, um, 1616 01:07:25.250 --> 01:07:27.269 during the Laserdisc thing, they were image and pioneer were 1617 01:07:27.289 --> 01:07:29.510 the two biggies and image wanted to work more with 1618 01:07:29.530 --> 01:07:32.610 the studios. And they've somehow been able to wait to 1619 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:36.280 becoming Disney's Laserdisc replicator and distributor. And so suddenly they 1620 01:07:36.300 --> 01:07:38.360 were doing Bambi and Pinocchio, but Disney was like, you're 1621 01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:40.300 not doing the porn. Like, Like you can stick with 1622 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.090 the Playboy in the penthouse. That's fine. The soft core 1623 01:07:42.110 --> 01:07:44.829 is fine. But the hard core is out. And so 1624 01:07:44.849 --> 01:07:46.690 they immediately had to stop doing the hard core Laserdiscs. 1625 01:07:46.769 --> 01:07:48.789 And so when DVD came on, they were doing deals 1626 01:07:48.809 --> 01:07:51.250 with Universal and people like that. And so still hard 1627 01:07:51.289 --> 01:07:52.010 core was a no-no. 1628 01:07:52.829 --> 01:07:54.880 Well, just because they had a deal with Disney. But 1629 01:07:54.889 --> 01:07:57.320 I mean Disney didn't own any stock in the company. 1630 01:07:57.380 --> 01:08:00.219 It's just like Disney didn't want it to be anywhere 1631 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:01.079 near their stuff. 1632 01:08:01.139 --> 01:08:01.480 Is that the idea? 1633 01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:02.659 Yeah, it's like if you want to carry your stuff, 1634 01:08:02.699 --> 01:08:04.179 you're not– we don't want to be associated with it. 1635 01:08:04.179 --> 01:08:04.940 It makes sense. 1636 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:08.980 Vendor syndrome is going through the same thing. Exactly. 1637 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.360 That's why Melia's scene exists, is because they're doing Paramount, 1638 01:08:12.590 --> 01:08:14.800 they're doing MGM, they're doing Warner Brothers. It's like, you 1639 01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:17.350 can't have that butting up against, you know, Tobolino movies. 1640 01:08:17.750 --> 01:08:18.630 It's not going to happen. 1641 01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:21.329 It's bad enough that their logo is still a sexy woman. 1642 01:08:21.350 --> 01:08:25.130 That's bad enough. Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't changed that. Yeah, 1643 01:08:25.170 --> 01:08:26.989 I'm surprised they haven't changed it either. I'm surprised that 1644 01:08:27.029 --> 01:08:31.369 wasn't any kind of discussion. Yeah, I think it was that. 1645 01:08:31.449 --> 01:08:34.109 It was a combo with that and credit card processors, 1646 01:08:34.189 --> 01:08:36.779 where they didn't want to process porn. But it's the 1647 01:08:36.819 --> 01:08:38.529 same thing. It's like the people with the money are 1648 01:08:38.550 --> 01:08:41.270 going to make those decisions, and you have to go 1649 01:08:41.329 --> 01:08:44.109 with what they want to make sure that you still 1650 01:08:44.229 --> 01:08:46.350 keep getting their money. Yeah, exactly. 1651 01:08:46.850 --> 01:08:49.890 Makes sense. And also another concern, this isn't really something 1652 01:08:49.909 --> 01:08:51.409 people talk about now because the internet is taking over, 1653 01:08:51.430 --> 01:08:54.430 but also there was a thing about crossing state lines 1654 01:08:54.590 --> 01:08:58.390 with certain products. If it was just normal porn, that 1655 01:08:58.409 --> 01:08:59.510 was okay, but if it was something that was kind 1656 01:08:59.529 --> 01:09:01.819 of a little dicey, we'll talk about this later. It 1657 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.779 was one of the something weird titles where I think 1658 01:09:03.819 --> 01:09:06.100 this was probably a factor. I can't say for sure, 1659 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:06.739 but I think it was. 1660 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:07.260 Oh, God. 1661 01:09:07.899 --> 01:09:10.819 But Mike had run into trouble with two titles, which 1662 01:09:10.859 --> 01:09:13.939 were Sex Psycho, which is actually Widow Blue. Um, but 1663 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:15.340 he carried that for a little while, but that, that 1664 01:09:15.380 --> 01:09:17.579 actually got flagged. Um, I think it was in Alabama. 1665 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.140 Somebody flagged that one and they got in trouble with 1666 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.699 that one. And there was a gay porn called hold 1667 01:09:21.739 --> 01:09:23.380 your peace, which they only sold. 1668 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:25.279 For that thing. Oh my God. 1669 01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:27.779 Which also, yeah. 1670 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:30.800 Um, I know the scene probably that was flagged. 1671 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:31.720 Oh, I bet you do. 1672 01:09:31.739 --> 01:09:33.020 Yeah. 1673 01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:33.779 Yeah. 1674 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:34.970 One scene never forgotten. 1675 01:09:36.739 --> 01:09:39.130 Yeah. Let's just say, do not use a knife as 1676 01:09:39.170 --> 01:09:39.810 a dildo. 1677 01:09:40.229 --> 01:09:40.550 Yeah. 1678 01:09:40.729 --> 01:09:44.750 Yeah. And don't try to make it sexy either. Because 1679 01:09:45.130 --> 01:09:46.510 there's no way that can be sexy. 1680 01:09:46.909 --> 01:09:49.729 Well, I mean, Widow Blue, doesn't Widow Blue have some violent, 1681 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:52.260 really violent sexual content in that too? 1682 01:09:52.270 --> 01:09:55.239 Yeah, that's the problem. Anything that has like, anything that's, yeah, 1683 01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:57.380 because any movie where you have like hardcore sex with 1684 01:09:57.399 --> 01:09:58.539 people covered in blood, it's like. 1685 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.500 Yes, that's what it is. 1686 01:10:00.819 --> 01:10:04.199 Yeah, you can't combine. It's very, it's actually very BBFC actually. 1687 01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:07.380 It's very like, yeah, it's very unusual that that still, 1688 01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:09.199 that remained a thing for so long. And then I 1689 01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:11.159 guess people stopped caring somehow. Yeah. 1690 01:10:11.260 --> 01:10:12.239 Like I said, I think the internet just kind of 1691 01:10:12.260 --> 01:10:13.739 wrecked it all. Cause now it's just like, whatever you 1692 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:15.819 can't like, who cares if you're shipping discs over to 1693 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:17.939 state lines anymore. It doesn't matter. Like nobody cares. 1694 01:10:17.979 --> 01:10:18.310 Yeah. 1695 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:18.930 Right. 1696 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.050 Well, I think that's how, that's how vinegar son was 1697 01:10:21.090 --> 01:10:23.689 putting out like pretty peaches on cut and baby face 1698 01:10:23.770 --> 01:10:26.829 on cut and releasing a widow blue on DVD. 1699 01:10:27.170 --> 01:10:27.409 Yeah. 1700 01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:29.890 Yeah. Or both ways. I was surprised they put that 1701 01:10:29.949 --> 01:10:32.270 on cut. Cause the whole thing was like, and through 1702 01:10:32.289 --> 01:10:33.529 the looking glass too, cause they had the whole thing. 1703 01:10:33.550 --> 01:10:35.750 It's like, well, you can't have a kid. And even 1704 01:10:35.770 --> 01:10:37.329 if the kid has nothing, you can remotely sexual in 1705 01:10:37.350 --> 01:10:39.010 the movie. Like having a child actor in these movies was, 1706 01:10:39.029 --> 01:10:40.229 you know, they would start cutting them out. 1707 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:45.689 Exactly. Well, that happened with Dr. Sex. I have that 1708 01:10:45.739 --> 01:10:47.329 noted to bring that up. There was a digital zoom. 1709 01:10:47.350 --> 01:10:49.010 Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Yeah, I'm pretty 1710 01:10:49.069 --> 01:10:50.750 sure that was, I think that actually came to us 1711 01:10:50.789 --> 01:10:51.850 like pre-zoomed. 1712 01:10:52.470 --> 01:10:53.069 Oh, really? 1713 01:10:53.090 --> 01:10:54.270 So they knew it was going to be a problem. 1714 01:10:54.289 --> 01:10:56.369 Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure that that zoom was 1715 01:10:56.409 --> 01:10:58.270 because of what they had gone through with those two titles. 1716 01:10:58.289 --> 01:10:59.569 I think they were just like, screw it. We're just 1717 01:10:59.590 --> 01:11:01.010 not going to mess with this anymore. So I think 1718 01:11:01.029 --> 01:11:03.229 that was already pre-zoomed when we got it. Because the 1719 01:11:03.250 --> 01:11:04.689 thing at Image was we did not want to cut 1720 01:11:04.710 --> 01:11:06.649 movies at all. Like it was like if we had 1721 01:11:06.670 --> 01:11:08.050 to cut it, we were just going to like let 1722 01:11:08.069 --> 01:11:11.560 somebody else do it. Um, the only exception, um, because 1723 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.760 we really, I really wanted to do it was female vampire, um, 1724 01:11:14.779 --> 01:11:16.479 where we actually had to wind up because there's a 1725 01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:19.140 couple of seconds of like unsimulated, like oral sex in it. 1726 01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.020 And we wound up having to loop other footage because 1727 01:11:21.810 --> 01:11:23.409 it was such a huge title. And I was just like, 1728 01:11:23.550 --> 01:11:25.329 I hate doing it, but like, I really want to 1729 01:11:25.350 --> 01:11:26.710 put this out. So that was the only work run 1730 01:11:26.729 --> 01:11:28.050 we could do. But other than that, like we did 1731 01:11:28.069 --> 01:11:30.390 not want to cut anything. I'm not counting stuff like that, 1732 01:11:30.569 --> 01:11:32.489 like the cut down hardcore feature as stuff like the 1733 01:11:32.529 --> 01:11:34.350 geek that Mike put on his extras. That doesn't count. 1734 01:11:34.369 --> 01:11:34.729 Right. 1735 01:11:35.270 --> 01:11:37.210 Um, But as far as like full movies go, it's like, 1736 01:11:37.229 --> 01:11:38.810 we really did our best not to cut anything. Cause 1737 01:11:38.829 --> 01:11:40.510 I did not want to censor anything if possible. 1738 01:11:41.229 --> 01:11:45.750 Well, Dr. Sex, that, that should have been zoomed. That zoom, 1739 01:11:45.810 --> 01:11:48.479 that zoom was justified. Like I don't need to see 1740 01:11:48.850 --> 01:11:51.310 a naked little girl. I don't care if it's just 1741 01:11:51.350 --> 01:11:53.319 like fun or like, it's supposed to be like a joke. 1742 01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.680 Cause it's, yeah. The segment in that is like, it's 1743 01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:57.899 a girl who was a woman who was an infomaniac. 1744 01:11:57.939 --> 01:11:59.939 And it's like, well, even as a little girl, like 1745 01:12:00.020 --> 01:12:02.600 she was like running around naked. And so it's this 1746 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:04.539 little girl running around naked. And it's like, I didn't 1747 01:12:04.579 --> 01:12:08.420 need to see that to know that she, I'm fine 1748 01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:10.159 zooming in on that. And I'm, and I don't need 1749 01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:12.079 to start thinking about like, well, whose little girl was this? 1750 01:12:12.140 --> 01:12:15.529 Like it, it really makes you think about different levels 1751 01:12:15.609 --> 01:12:19.250 of that. And it's very discomforting, but yeah. Yeah. 1752 01:12:19.750 --> 01:12:19.989 So, yeah. 1753 01:12:20.050 --> 01:12:21.489 So that's my theory about why that was zoomed in. 1754 01:12:21.649 --> 01:12:23.229 I mean, I'm pretty sure cause the timing matches up. 1755 01:12:23.270 --> 01:12:24.689 Like I don't think we ever really talked about it, 1756 01:12:24.689 --> 01:12:25.989 but I was just like, yeah, I can see why. 1757 01:12:26.109 --> 01:12:27.949 Cause yeah, you just don't want to go down that road. 1758 01:12:27.979 --> 01:12:29.609 Especially when at the time that came out. 1759 01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:32.220 Yeah, well, that was also when they, I remember they 1760 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:34.670 had to, they discontinued a lot of titles with teen 1761 01:12:34.750 --> 01:12:37.289 in title. And then they reissued them. Like I remember 1762 01:12:37.329 --> 01:12:40.590 Teenage Fantasies, they had to reissue as Renee Bond's Fantasies. 1763 01:12:41.409 --> 01:12:43.250 And because that's such a big seller, you have to 1764 01:12:43.310 --> 01:12:43.869 have that. 1765 01:12:43.930 --> 01:12:44.869 In your collection. 1766 01:12:44.949 --> 01:12:46.909 If you're a Renee Bond person, that's like her, one 1767 01:12:46.939 --> 01:12:49.739 of her key films. So they had to reissue that. 1768 01:12:49.859 --> 01:12:51.779 But I remember when Hold Your Peace went out. Actually, 1769 01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.140 you know what? You sent me Hold Your Peace, I think. 1770 01:12:56.260 --> 01:12:58.020 You send me that and heavy equipment. 1771 01:12:58.319 --> 01:12:58.520 Yeah. 1772 01:12:58.699 --> 01:13:00.539 And I think you sent me some other burn stuff. 1773 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:02.739 And I was like, cause we did a trade or 1774 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:04.869 something and I still have it with your handwriting on it. 1775 01:13:04.859 --> 01:13:08.409 I think it's and finger licking good and then heavy equipment. 1776 01:13:08.449 --> 01:13:10.329 And then I think you sent me, I a woman too, 1777 01:13:10.949 --> 01:13:13.829 something else. Yeah. Cause you had all the good, you 1778 01:13:13.970 --> 01:13:16.470 had all the good, all the rare, something weird stuff. 1779 01:13:16.489 --> 01:13:18.270 So I was like, I need it. This is before 1780 01:13:18.310 --> 01:13:20.960 we had Alex slip case. Who was one of our 1781 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:23.880 regular guys who now collects these things and rips it 1782 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:26.890 for us. But yeah. 1783 01:13:26.909 --> 01:13:27.130 Yeah. 1784 01:13:27.350 --> 01:13:29.439 Don't watch it. Don't watch that gentry. You don't need 1785 01:13:29.449 --> 01:13:32.380 to watch, uh, you don't need to watch, hold your peace. 1786 01:13:32.899 --> 01:13:37.399 It's not, it's not, it's not a pleasant experience. It's like, 1787 01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.579 it's the threads of gay porn. Just don't do it. 1788 01:13:39.979 --> 01:13:40.600 It's so bad. 1789 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:41.039 Yeah. 1790 01:13:41.060 --> 01:13:41.500 It's not good. 1791 01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:44.399 So was this the same time? What, where's like big 1792 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.189 snatch that controversy and like love? 1793 01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:50.449 That was early. That was actually a really early one. So, okay. So, 1794 01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.579 So like I said earlier, the thing about Chatsworth, like 1795 01:13:53.619 --> 01:13:56.520 I said, is that it's very porny but really prudish 1796 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:58.590 at the same time. And that's true at Image because, 1797 01:13:58.609 --> 01:14:00.390 like I said, we had our own departments. And in 1798 01:14:00.430 --> 01:14:05.229 our production department, we had two particularly conservative people working 1799 01:14:05.250 --> 01:14:07.369 in the production department. I won't say their names. And 1800 01:14:07.390 --> 01:14:09.010 they're very nice people. I mean, we got along fine. 1801 01:14:09.170 --> 01:14:12.069 But I had to sort of be very political and 1802 01:14:12.109 --> 01:14:14.399 work around them a lot and sort of tap dance 1803 01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:17.520 because I knew there were certain lines we couldn't go past. Um, 1804 01:14:17.689 --> 01:14:19.010 and as I found with big snatch was one of 1805 01:14:19.050 --> 01:14:21.050 the first movies that triggered that as was love camp seven. 1806 01:14:21.189 --> 01:14:24.069 So anything that got like, even if it was soft core, 1807 01:14:24.090 --> 01:14:27.329 if it was like super, super rapey, then it would 1808 01:14:27.350 --> 01:14:29.949 start setting off some flags. If it was like one 1809 01:14:29.989 --> 01:14:31.850 rape scene in a movie, like they would let it slide. 1810 01:14:31.890 --> 01:14:33.270 But if that was the whole focus of the movie 1811 01:14:33.289 --> 01:14:34.840 and there was just people just screaming and getting raped 1812 01:14:34.850 --> 01:14:36.409 for the whole thing, it's just like, no, we're not 1813 01:14:36.609 --> 01:14:36.909 doing this. 1814 01:14:36.949 --> 01:14:38.800 Well, sorry. Are these people watching the movies? 1815 01:14:39.060 --> 01:14:40.000 Yeah. Okay. 1816 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:41.800 So they're watching it front to back. 1817 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:42.079 Okay. 1818 01:14:42.100 --> 01:14:44.260 They're not just like looking at the campaign or anything 1819 01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:45.640 like that. It's okay. 1820 01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:45.729 Hmm. 1821 01:14:46.329 --> 01:14:48.130 And unfortunately there were the two people who were, it 1822 01:14:48.149 --> 01:14:49.500 was like the number one and two person in the, 1823 01:14:49.590 --> 01:14:51.770 in the department. This wasn't like just, these weren't just 1824 01:14:51.890 --> 01:14:54.390 the normal production grunts. These were the two in charge. 1825 01:14:55.130 --> 01:14:56.989 And I mean, and like I said, they let stuff 1826 01:14:57.010 --> 01:14:59.430 go that I was kind of shocked by. Things slipped through. 1827 01:14:59.449 --> 01:15:04.189 But I would have some really surreal days at work 1828 01:15:04.220 --> 01:15:05.939 where it's like the weirdest one ever, I think was 1829 01:15:05.979 --> 01:15:09.560 when screaming the streets came in. And, and so, and they, 1830 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.140 they had pulled it up and they were like, can 1831 01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.000 you come back here? And I was like, okay, sure. 1832 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:14.840 And it's like, so we just got this here. It was, 1833 01:15:14.859 --> 01:15:16.619 you know, we just got this movie, Scream in the Streets. 1834 01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:17.640 We want you to look at it because we think 1835 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:19.640 it's hardcore. And I was like, okay. 1836 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:21.079 It's close. 1837 01:15:21.420 --> 01:15:21.800 Yeah. 1838 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:23.140 And so I'm sitting there. I mean, we're sitting there 1839 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.399 for like an hour, like going frame by frame. 1840 01:15:25.470 --> 01:15:28.710 Oh, my God. Where the guy's, you know, inserting forward. 1841 01:15:29.390 --> 01:15:32.550 But you don't see anything. The angle is just enough 1842 01:15:32.569 --> 01:15:34.430 where you don't actually see anything go in. I'm like, no, 1843 01:15:34.529 --> 01:15:37.109 it's not. Like, show me actual penetration. You're not going 1844 01:15:37.130 --> 01:15:38.890 to see it. And they're like, he's clearly doing it. 1845 01:15:38.890 --> 01:15:41.000 I'm like, well, maybe, but you can't prove it. 1846 01:15:41.109 --> 01:15:41.970 Right. Right. 1847 01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:47.270 And it finally got through uncut. And again, I think, 1848 01:15:47.350 --> 01:15:49.350 please don't get my mother, it was actually pre-cut when 1849 01:15:49.390 --> 01:15:55.270 we got it, I believe. Interesting. It's missing the one 1850 01:15:56.470 --> 01:15:59.729 shot in there. But the other funny thing is that 1851 01:16:00.380 --> 01:16:03.109 I think that, I don't know what the ordering process was, 1852 01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.840 but I think when Mike would have the scans commissioned, 1853 01:16:04.859 --> 01:16:06.340 they would just pull the negs and scan them and 1854 01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:08.300 send them over. And I'm not sure whether he actually 1855 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:09.920 saw them after they were done because there were a 1856 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:12.489 lot of cases where The Novaks would come to us, 1857 01:16:12.810 --> 01:16:15.550 especially the Southern ones would come to us and they 1858 01:16:15.569 --> 01:16:18.279 would have extra stuff tacked at the end, like extra 1859 01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:24.859 hardcore stuff. Oh, right. So like, but with different actors, 1860 01:16:24.899 --> 01:16:27.260 that's the weird thing. It wasn't even the main cast. 1861 01:16:27.300 --> 01:16:27.619 Yeah. 1862 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:29.699 Like he would just get these random people to like, 1863 01:16:29.729 --> 01:16:30.970 just sit in a barn on top of some hay 1864 01:16:30.989 --> 01:16:32.470 and just go at it for like five minutes. So 1865 01:16:32.489 --> 01:16:34.649 they could, if somebody wanted to sell it as adult film, 1866 01:16:34.670 --> 01:16:36.649 they could just splice that at any point in the 1867 01:16:36.670 --> 01:16:38.409 movie and it wouldn't matter. Right. 1868 01:16:38.449 --> 01:16:38.789 Right. 1869 01:16:39.699 --> 01:16:42.729 With his fake r rating on the poster right which 1870 01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:45.060 he loved to do yeah. 1871 01:16:44.649 --> 01:16:45.869 And like i would have loved to put those on 1872 01:16:45.890 --> 01:16:47.489 his extras but we couldn't because again they were just 1873 01:16:47.510 --> 01:16:49.250 they were full-on um. 1874 01:16:49.489 --> 01:16:51.569 Yeah we couldn't they wouldn't even let you have done 1875 01:16:51.590 --> 01:16:53.050 that as an easter egg right you. 1876 01:16:52.970 --> 01:16:56.630 Couldn't yeah yeah there's no way it's not really censorship 1877 01:16:56.649 --> 01:16:57.989 because they were never part of the movie it was 1878 01:16:58.010 --> 01:16:59.390 just sort of like an optional thing where it's like 1879 01:16:59.470 --> 01:17:00.949 you know hey if you if you can get away 1880 01:17:01.180 --> 01:17:02.779 with it feel free to drop the scene in somewhere 1881 01:17:02.819 --> 01:17:06.229 with these other people you know um but it wasn't 1882 01:17:06.250 --> 01:17:08.409 like Renee Bond or like John or any of those folks, 1883 01:17:08.470 --> 01:17:10.409 you know, Sandy or any of those, none of the 1884 01:17:10.449 --> 01:17:13.710 Novak players. So that's so interesting though. 1885 01:17:13.729 --> 01:17:15.970 Because they're on this, we were like, we talked about 1886 01:17:16.010 --> 01:17:18.609 sassy Sue and I think there were only two people 1887 01:17:18.649 --> 01:17:20.689 in a movie who weren't doing hardcore at the time 1888 01:17:20.729 --> 01:17:24.340 that was being made. And so you would think that, yeah, 1889 01:17:24.350 --> 01:17:27.180 Sandy Carey would do something hardcore on the set. Cause 1890 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:28.840 she was there and they were going to pay her 1891 01:17:28.859 --> 01:17:31.340 a little extra to do something hardcore, but that's really wild. 1892 01:17:31.380 --> 01:17:34.880 They would just get like some random people to just 1893 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.739 do whatever. Or even like for the, what is it, 1894 01:17:37.770 --> 01:17:40.810 Southern Comfort. So like Judy Angel, huge, huge in porn. 1895 01:17:41.029 --> 01:17:41.729 Tons of porn. 1896 01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:44.779 Yeah. Well, again, it just makes it easier if you 1897 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.220 can't see them, if they can't see their faces, they 1898 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:48.460 can just splice it in wherever. 1899 01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:48.840 Yeah. 1900 01:17:48.859 --> 01:17:49.579 If it's just a body. 1901 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.359 That is true. That is true. 1902 01:17:51.380 --> 01:17:51.859 Yeah. 1903 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:55.779 Well, actually, Sassy Sue, I was revisiting that for our episode, 1904 01:17:56.140 --> 01:17:58.539 and I was shocked that I was like, oh, right, 1905 01:17:58.579 --> 01:18:03.789 Tali Cochran is basically giving Jontel a blowjob. She's slapping 1906 01:18:04.069 --> 01:18:04.829 her face. 1907 01:18:05.470 --> 01:18:08.010 Her head is right next to it. 1908 01:18:08.369 --> 01:18:10.989 Yeah, I'm just like, I can't believe that this didn't 1909 01:18:11.069 --> 01:18:14.569 raise any flags. It probably did, but they were like, well, 1910 01:18:14.590 --> 01:18:18.409 it's technically not hardcore. It's just a lot of manual manipulation, 1911 01:18:18.430 --> 01:18:21.989 I guess. You have to use the censor terms. 1912 01:18:23.430 --> 01:18:24.829 That scene is hilarious to me, though. Remember the first 1913 01:18:24.850 --> 01:18:26.430 time I saw it when the tape came out, and 1914 01:18:26.449 --> 01:18:27.810 I was just like, does she just not know how 1915 01:18:27.850 --> 01:18:29.210 to do this? Like, what's going on. 1916 01:18:29.180 --> 01:18:30.189 In this scene? 1917 01:18:30.310 --> 01:18:31.500 She's just being silly. 1918 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.699 I was like, I don't know either of them are 1919 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.560 getting much out of this, but okay. 1920 01:18:35.619 --> 01:18:36.960 No, no. 1921 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:39.760 It's just for the audience to kind of be like, oh, 1922 01:18:39.819 --> 01:18:42.850 I saw something extra dirty tonight at the drive-in. 1923 01:18:42.850 --> 01:18:43.149 Yeah. 1924 01:18:43.149 --> 01:18:45.510 Well, that is so funny that you, you like had 1925 01:18:45.550 --> 01:18:50.789 those conversations with co-workers like frame by frame it was. 1926 01:18:50.750 --> 01:18:52.310 So bizarre yeah so you come back from lunch all 1927 01:18:52.329 --> 01:18:54.329 of a sudden you're looking at screaming the streets like 1928 01:18:54.909 --> 01:18:57.039 yeah i framed sexy yeah it was bizarre well. 1929 01:18:56.939 --> 01:19:00.109 I mean i was surprised when that got the uh 1930 01:19:00.380 --> 01:19:02.659 veneer or cyber entreatment of all. 1931 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.579 The random choice random choice. 1932 01:19:05.819 --> 01:19:07.640 Yeah what are your thoughts on that. 1933 01:19:08.930 --> 01:19:10.510 Well, I mean, at least that, that's all the mystery 1934 01:19:10.569 --> 01:19:12.850 of like where that mystery junkie scene came from. That's 1935 01:19:12.890 --> 01:19:14.470 in the trailer, you know, cause that wasn't, that was 1936 01:19:14.489 --> 01:19:16.470 a short that he had cut out separately, um, along 1937 01:19:16.489 --> 01:19:19.779 with the other, the, the buck short. Um, cause again, 1938 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:20.859 that was the same case. I think it was kind 1939 01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:22.340 of like with the, the hardcore stuff. I think he 1940 01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:23.800 just shot some extra segments, you. 1941 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:24.880 Know, something that was at the end. 1942 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:25.399 Yeah. Yeah. 1943 01:19:25.420 --> 01:19:27.560 So I can spice your stuff. And if it didn't use, 1944 01:19:27.579 --> 01:19:29.029 you could just, you know, tear it off and make 1945 01:19:29.050 --> 01:19:30.569 a short film out of it. They could slot in 1946 01:19:30.670 --> 01:19:31.090 between movies. 1947 01:19:31.109 --> 01:19:31.210 Yeah. 1948 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.600 Um, so I was actually really glad that came out 1949 01:19:33.619 --> 01:19:35.520 cause it kind of like, I was like, okay, so that's, 1950 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.319 that's the connection. Cause I couldn't figure it out from 1951 01:19:37.340 --> 01:19:39.119 the trailer. I was like, what, what's going on? Cause 1952 01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:40.640 like half the stuff in the trailer isn't in the movie. 1953 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:41.800 Right. 1954 01:19:41.819 --> 01:19:42.760 It's just baffling. 1955 01:19:43.550 --> 01:19:46.810 Well, then that makes me wonder then, cause you know, the, the, the, 1956 01:19:46.890 --> 01:19:49.689 the mindset is that like when he, when Novak reissued 1957 01:19:49.750 --> 01:19:52.189 booby trap as love explosions, and then he did behind 1958 01:19:52.229 --> 01:19:55.109 the green doors as then came ecstasy, that those were 1959 01:19:55.149 --> 01:19:59.310 like 70, I think 76 and 78 respectively, maybe. And 1960 01:19:59.329 --> 01:20:01.909 I always thought those were inserts, but from the sounds 1961 01:20:01.949 --> 01:20:04.609 of it, they might not have been inserts that were 1962 01:20:04.649 --> 01:20:06.770 shot later. They could have just been like, yeah, these 1963 01:20:06.810 --> 01:20:08.829 were shot at the time and we're just going to 1964 01:20:08.869 --> 01:20:10.350 shove them in and finally put them out now that 1965 01:20:10.390 --> 01:20:14.909 it's legal. And that's why I'm kind of like, even 1966 01:20:14.930 --> 01:20:16.149 if it's a movie that I don't like in the 1967 01:20:16.189 --> 01:20:20.449 Novak library, this kind of, this information confirms that like, 1968 01:20:20.649 --> 01:20:22.170 I kind of want to see all of them out 1969 01:20:22.189 --> 01:20:24.100 just because I want to go back to those vaults 1970 01:20:24.149 --> 01:20:26.939 and have everything available that has like, the name of 1971 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.539 the movie on it. Like what, what, what extra footage 1972 01:20:29.579 --> 01:20:30.039 is there? 1973 01:20:30.060 --> 01:20:35.930 Um, those vaults, Casey, those vaults are like what Harry's closet, 1974 01:20:36.270 --> 01:20:39.390 you know, I don't know what's still, they. 1975 01:20:39.310 --> 01:20:42.750 Look like a, they look like a degenerates like shed 1976 01:20:42.789 --> 01:20:45.329 in the back that they hold hostages. And like, when 1977 01:20:45.369 --> 01:20:47.069 you see the videos on, there's something weird. It's of, 1978 01:20:47.369 --> 01:20:50.109 of no, of, of rainy going to visit. It's like this, 1979 01:20:50.380 --> 01:20:53.250 it has like a decrepit falling apart shed in the, 1980 01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:55.760 in his backyard. And it's just like, or in the, 1981 01:20:56.010 --> 01:20:58.069 in the back of his building. And it's just like this, 1982 01:20:58.090 --> 01:20:59.630 they're not temperature controlled. 1983 01:20:59.890 --> 01:21:04.100 So, well, even on the ax, that ax and kidnapped, uh, 1984 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.279 that release too, they show, um, I can't remember who's 1985 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.659 all there, but they, uh, go digging around, uh, for 1986 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:12.239 Frederick's negative. 1987 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:12.439 Yeah. 1988 01:21:12.460 --> 01:21:16.180 And it's the same deal. It's just like, just, you know, 1989 01:21:16.899 --> 01:21:20.739 shoulder height, like just full of canisters. 1990 01:21:20.779 --> 01:21:21.020 Yeah. 1991 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.340 They just have dig through and find his, find his negative. 1992 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:26.850 Well, actually that reminds me, that makes me think of something. 1993 01:21:27.149 --> 01:21:30.569 Do you know? So like, for example, the Friedel film. 1994 01:21:30.649 --> 01:21:34.109 So we know now about the issue with Friedel and 1995 01:21:34.590 --> 01:21:38.149 how Novak really basically was like, I don't owe you 1996 01:21:38.210 --> 01:21:39.890 any money. You owe me money. Cause I went out 1997 01:21:39.909 --> 01:21:42.510 of business or whatever, whatever. What did image of it 1998 01:21:42.529 --> 01:21:44.770 get contacted by any of these filmmakers for these movies 1999 01:21:44.789 --> 01:21:47.880 who were kind of like, no. Oh, okay. Cause something 2000 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.420 weird kind of didn't either. So I don't, yeah, it's interesting. 2001 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:51.920 Okay. 2002 01:21:51.939 --> 01:21:55.520 Um, Yeah, it's kind of amazing, actually. I mean, the 2003 01:21:55.529 --> 01:21:58.819 only time we ran into trouble was with actually the 2004 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:04.899 movie The Dead One, which is technically PD. Yeah, we 2005 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:05.460 announced it. 2006 01:22:05.979 --> 01:22:07.479 Yeah, the zombie one. It was supposed to come out 2007 01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:11.310 with the atomic brain as monstrosity. It was announced, and 2008 01:22:11.329 --> 01:22:12.430 there was cover art and everything. 2009 01:22:13.829 --> 01:22:18.869 Yeah, we announced that one. So Sam Sherman kind of 2010 01:22:19.029 --> 01:22:20.979 pulled a fast one. He suddenly changed his title card 2011 01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:23.529 because he owned he found an egg. And so he 2012 01:22:23.550 --> 01:22:25.029 was like, Oh, I own it. It's my movie. It's like, well, 2013 01:22:25.130 --> 01:22:26.649 that's not really how it works, but okay, whatever. And 2014 01:22:26.670 --> 01:22:27.869 he started throwing a fit and we had a deal 2015 01:22:27.890 --> 01:22:30.470 with Sam and we're just like, Oh, whatever. Cause like, 2016 01:22:30.630 --> 01:22:31.970 cause we had to keep doing Sam stuff and it 2017 01:22:32.010 --> 01:22:36.060 was like, fine, just whatever, just something else, Mike, you know? Um, 2018 01:22:36.109 --> 01:22:37.670 and then Sam totally screwed that DVD up anyway. It 2019 01:22:37.689 --> 01:22:40.590 was unwatchable. So, um, but luckily began serving, came back 2020 01:22:40.630 --> 01:22:42.329 into the Blu-ray and fixed it. Cause the DVD was 2021 01:22:42.350 --> 01:22:43.800 all like squashed and it looked like crap. 2022 01:22:44.529 --> 01:22:46.739 Yeah, that's right. It was. Cause that was media blasters, right? 2023 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:47.659 They finally put that out. 2024 01:22:48.069 --> 01:22:50.220 I was so angry when that came out. He changed 2025 01:22:50.260 --> 01:22:52.340 that digital title card replacement. 2026 01:22:52.380 --> 01:22:53.880 I was like, come on, man. 2027 01:22:53.899 --> 01:22:57.340 What are you doing? Rest in peace, Sam, but some 2028 01:22:57.380 --> 01:23:03.970 questionable stuff there. As with everyone in this business. Even Dave, 2029 01:23:04.029 --> 01:23:04.869 there's some stuff there. 2030 01:23:06.670 --> 01:23:09.750 Sam and Alfredo Leone took it to a new level. 2031 01:23:09.829 --> 01:23:13.010 I would be sitting down at lunch with them and 2032 01:23:13.029 --> 01:23:14.409 they would give me a list of titles they were 2033 01:23:14.430 --> 01:23:16.729 pitching and I was just like, you don't own any 2034 01:23:16.750 --> 01:23:18.430 of these movies. Like I know who owns these. You 2035 01:23:18.449 --> 01:23:20.930 don't own a single one of these. Like there's no way. 2036 01:23:21.750 --> 01:23:26.329 Nope. Well, Novak did that too. Like there's a ton 2037 01:23:26.369 --> 01:23:28.840 of stuff that came out in the Something Weird catalog 2038 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:31.279 that said like from the vaults of Harry Novak. And 2039 01:23:31.300 --> 01:23:32.640 it just was like a print that he had. 2040 01:23:32.899 --> 01:23:33.199 Yeah. 2041 01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:35.920 For whatever reason. And he may have handled regional distribution 2042 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:39.140 or he might not at all. Like you, I know 2043 01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:41.840 you're a genre law person. Like the fact that he 2044 01:23:41.899 --> 01:23:44.119 put out, he gave them a print of like the 2045 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.270 Shiver of the Vampires. It's like, I don't think there's 2046 01:23:46.310 --> 01:23:49.270 any evidence he ever distributed that. Yeah. I don't know 2047 01:23:49.289 --> 01:23:52.250 where that came from. You know, it's just like, it's 2048 01:23:52.270 --> 01:23:55.689 really weird. And now we'll never know what he really, 2049 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:57.619 I don't know what he didn't. Cause I, yeah, I don't, 2050 01:23:57.739 --> 01:23:59.060 I don't know what the situation was with that. 2051 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.760 We know, we know Cage Virgins was legit. That's about it. 2052 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:02.439 So yeah. 2053 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:02.739 Yes. 2054 01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:03.520 Right. 2055 01:24:03.619 --> 01:24:05.859 That one, that one you can't refute, but everything. 2056 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:07.899 Else, it's got the artwork. That one at least has 2057 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:11.100 the Novak like cover artwork that we can point back to. 2058 01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:11.340 Yeah. 2059 01:24:12.060 --> 01:24:14.340 Right. If there's a paper trail, that's kind of like 2060 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:18.659 Toys R Us for Children. That was released first by what, 2061 01:24:20.180 --> 01:24:23.020 Maren Films put that out, I think. And then he bought, 2062 01:24:23.050 --> 01:24:24.510 and then he sold it to Novak because the company 2063 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:27.829 went out of business. You can trace it eventually, but 2064 01:24:27.850 --> 01:24:30.109 there's so much stuff that the Devil's Garden does. He 2065 01:24:30.130 --> 01:24:33.810 never had that. So I'm like, he never released this. 2066 01:24:34.149 --> 01:24:34.729 You liar. 2067 01:24:35.970 --> 01:24:37.810 How did you get along with him, Nate? 2068 01:24:39.789 --> 01:24:43.350 Like, fine. I mean, he's... I mean, he was sort 2069 01:24:43.390 --> 01:24:45.069 of like kind of endearing in a weird way because 2070 01:24:45.369 --> 01:24:48.090 he was such just an utter businessman. I mean, because 2071 01:24:48.130 --> 01:24:50.640 David Friedman cared about his movies. I mean, he was 2072 01:24:50.649 --> 01:24:53.500 there on the set. He was like very hands-on. I mean, 2073 01:24:53.779 --> 01:24:55.819 he was– I don't want to say he was a 2074 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.739 cinephile necessarily, but he really put the effort into the 2075 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:00.279 stuff that he put– even the movies that he wasn't 2076 01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:03.729 really that involved in, but he cared about them. I mean, 2077 01:25:03.750 --> 01:25:06.630 Novak was never on the sets really except just occasionally 2078 01:25:06.729 --> 01:25:08.270 when the actors get naked. But I mean, he really 2079 01:25:08.569 --> 01:25:10.590 didn't– the nuts and bolts part of putting the movies together, 2080 01:25:10.630 --> 01:25:12.909 he didn't really know about. But he was a funny guy. 2081 01:25:12.930 --> 01:25:14.750 He was sort of very much like a huckster. I mean, 2082 01:25:15.449 --> 01:25:19.170 you know, but he was fine. But so, you know, 2083 01:25:19.189 --> 01:25:20.770 then of course Mike calls me up and he's like, Hey, 2084 01:25:20.810 --> 01:25:22.750 Harry wants to do some tracks like, like Dave, you know, 2085 01:25:22.909 --> 01:25:25.250 he wants to be on the tracks. And I was like, okay. 2086 01:25:25.289 --> 01:25:30.550 Don't know what he's going to say. Cause all he 2087 01:25:30.569 --> 01:25:34.069 did was release them. He wasn't really there. I don't 2088 01:25:34.149 --> 01:25:37.010 think he was going up to, you know, Porter ranch 2089 01:25:37.069 --> 01:25:38.750 or whatever, where they were on the set too much. 2090 01:25:38.770 --> 01:25:41.189 I don't think he was hanging out there, but okay. Sure. 2091 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.500 So as a test run, we did a couple of 2092 01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:47.479 the country ones. And I was just like, I cannot 2093 01:25:47.500 --> 01:25:49.159 do this myself. So we brought in a squad of 2094 01:25:49.180 --> 01:25:50.159 Archie Galentine. 2095 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:51.939 Surrounded him with people. 2096 01:25:52.090 --> 01:25:52.659 Exactly. 2097 01:25:52.869 --> 01:25:54.890 So everybody came to the image office, and we all 2098 01:25:54.930 --> 01:25:57.050 jammed into a room, and we got the mics hooked 2099 01:25:57.109 --> 01:25:59.409 up and everything. And thank God, at least, because if 2100 01:25:59.430 --> 01:26:01.670 you hear the tracks, we're still flailing through a lot 2101 01:26:01.689 --> 01:26:05.489 of those. Because all Harry's sitting there, we're just asking questions, 2102 01:26:05.510 --> 01:26:07.880 and he's just like, hey, look at that bush. 2103 01:26:08.539 --> 01:26:09.500 That's all he can say. 2104 01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:10.319 It's like. 2105 01:26:12.060 --> 01:26:14.479 How do I work with this? So we're all bringing 2106 01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.380 what we know about the actors and the production into 2107 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:22.180 this as much as we can. But yeah. Again, Mike 2108 01:26:22.300 --> 01:26:23.739 was trying to make him happy and let him do 2109 01:26:23.779 --> 01:26:27.770 his commentaries. So it is what it is. I've had 2110 01:26:27.810 --> 01:26:30.289 more uncomfortable commentaries than that. I had worse ones there 2111 01:26:30.310 --> 01:26:31.909 than him. So it could happen. 2112 01:26:31.949 --> 01:26:32.350 Really? 2113 01:26:32.529 --> 01:26:32.989 Okay. 2114 01:26:33.329 --> 01:26:33.590 Well. 2115 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:35.520 that's not great. 2116 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.239 Cause I feel like Novak, those are very tough. I 2117 01:26:38.260 --> 01:26:39.760 was just, I felt so bad listening to those. I 2118 01:26:39.779 --> 01:26:42.159 was just like, ah, I know that they, they're, I 2119 01:26:42.220 --> 01:26:44.000 know they want to make these good and Novak is 2120 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.529 not going to make it easy for them. It's just not, no. 2121 01:26:48.449 --> 01:26:51.829 No, I, but he's not a malicious person. I mean, 2122 01:26:51.850 --> 01:26:53.770 he wasn't like a jerk. I mean, I've definitely had 2123 01:26:53.789 --> 01:26:55.149 more unpleasant people I've been in the room with, but 2124 01:26:55.170 --> 01:26:56.329 it was just, it was just nothing to work with. 2125 01:26:56.550 --> 01:26:57.109 I mean, at all. 2126 01:26:57.149 --> 01:26:57.590 Yeah. 2127 01:26:58.390 --> 01:26:58.670 Right. 2128 01:26:58.689 --> 01:26:58.890 Yeah. 2129 01:26:59.210 --> 01:27:02.199 Well, he, um, I think, I think Brainy got an 2130 01:27:02.260 --> 01:27:03.899 idea of that. Cause he did like two, I think 2131 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:05.859 he did two or three comments. Here's the Novak first. 2132 01:27:05.939 --> 01:27:07.319 I guess he did. Please don't meet my mother. 2133 01:27:07.340 --> 01:27:07.420 Yeah. 2134 01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:09.399 Do you do kiss me quick? 2135 01:27:09.420 --> 01:27:11.479 He did do kiss me quick. 2136 01:27:11.579 --> 01:27:13.180 And then I think it was like, it probably was 2137 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:15.319 a situation of like, I don't need to fly down 2138 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:16.020 to LA to do. 2139 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:16.430 Yes. 2140 01:27:16.619 --> 01:27:16.979 I'm sure. 2141 01:27:17.010 --> 01:27:22.189 He pushed him into your hands. He's like, these guys 2142 01:27:22.250 --> 01:27:24.550 are knowledgeable. They can, they can work with Harry and 2143 01:27:24.590 --> 01:27:28.189 figure it out. Cause I've, I've tried and these guys will. 2144 01:27:28.090 --> 01:27:30.939 Figure it out. In our defense, I think we did 2145 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:32.180 as good a job as Mike could have done. 2146 01:27:32.979 --> 01:27:38.119 Yeah, I think so. Because Mike, those commentaries are interesting 2147 01:27:38.149 --> 01:27:40.270 because he really tries to keep Harry focused. And he 2148 01:27:40.310 --> 01:27:43.350 doesn't really, Harry doesn't know how to stay focused. Because 2149 01:27:43.390 --> 01:27:46.029 he wasn't, like you said, he wasn't there. Kiss me quick. 2150 01:27:46.270 --> 01:27:49.869 I remember on that commentary, he misidentifies Althea Currier three times. 2151 01:27:50.630 --> 01:27:52.590 He says, this woman's her, and then that woman's her, 2152 01:27:52.609 --> 01:27:54.850 and then that one's her. I'm like, well, no, no. 2153 01:27:55.310 --> 01:27:57.960 That's why I wish Pete Perry hadn't clammed up. I 2154 01:27:57.979 --> 01:27:59.939 would have loved Pete Perry to do these commentaries. 2155 01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:01.020 That would have been amazing. 2156 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:02.720 It wasn't happening. 2157 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:05.020 There's so many of those guys from that period that 2158 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.399 I would love to hear do commentaries. It's nuts what 2159 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:09.029 he missed out on. 2160 01:28:09.430 --> 01:28:12.430 It's a shame. I know. Watzler died just before the 2161 01:28:12.449 --> 01:28:15.470 DVD started, which is so devastating. 2162 01:28:15.489 --> 01:28:17.970 Those would have been incredible. Because, yeah, he was such 2163 01:28:17.989 --> 01:28:20.189 a talker. He was a raconteur. 2164 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:24.800 Big storyteller. The Orson Welles of sexploitation. Sort of. 2165 01:28:25.470 --> 01:28:25.880 Sort of. 2166 01:28:27.619 --> 01:28:32.279 Not age-wise and not talent-wise, looks-wise and rock contour-wise. Yes, 2167 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.020 very much the Wilson Wells. 2168 01:28:34.699 --> 01:28:38.579 Did you have any interactions with the, um, Harry's widow? 2169 01:28:38.619 --> 01:28:42.340 That's kind of taken over his, um, estate. 2170 01:28:42.899 --> 01:28:45.930 Not really. Like once, once Harry and Mike split, that 2171 01:28:45.949 --> 01:28:48.210 was kind of it. Like I didn't see Harry after that. Um, 2172 01:28:48.329 --> 01:28:49.609 cause I really wouldn't have been able to, I mean, 2173 01:28:49.630 --> 01:28:51.329 I would have had his office, you know, in LA, 2174 01:28:51.369 --> 01:28:54.359 but yeah, that was pretty much it. which is unfortunate. 2175 01:28:54.380 --> 01:28:55.880 I mean, it really kind of bums me out that 2176 01:28:55.899 --> 01:28:58.680 it happened the way it did, you know, because luckily 2177 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.739 Mike had the, has the Freedman's, you know, in perpetuity, 2178 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.729 but I wish that library kind of stuck together and 2179 01:29:03.770 --> 01:29:05.270 now it's been kind of diced up and scattered to 2180 01:29:05.310 --> 01:29:06.850 the winds. And, you know, we've got a few titles, 2181 01:29:06.930 --> 01:29:08.470 but I just don't know if some of those other 2182 01:29:08.529 --> 01:29:10.430 ones will ever come out. I mean, but then again, 2183 01:29:10.470 --> 01:29:12.390 that's true. Most of something weird. Cause I thought when, 2184 01:29:13.489 --> 01:29:15.050 you know, I thought when, when Mike died and when 2185 01:29:15.069 --> 01:29:16.949 image went under, like, I was like, is that it? Like, 2186 01:29:16.989 --> 01:29:18.960 are these just never going to come out ever again? 2187 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:20.100 Is that the end of the road for all this stuff? 2188 01:29:20.140 --> 01:29:22.000 And thank God that's not the case. We've had this, 2189 01:29:22.779 --> 01:29:26.430 you know, amazing resurgence that's happened, which delights me. 2190 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:28.479 I've never been more happy to be wrong in my life. 2191 01:29:28.689 --> 01:29:31.829 Partnerships with so many different companies now, yeah. 2192 01:29:32.590 --> 01:29:34.510 Yeah, but I really wish that, like, Novak's Widow would, like, 2193 01:29:34.529 --> 01:29:37.010 just deal with somebody for everything, you know, just, like, 2194 01:29:38.210 --> 01:29:39.630 just sell it off and let somebody do it right, 2195 01:29:39.829 --> 01:29:42.109 you know, leak it out like it's nice. UHDs of 2196 01:29:42.130 --> 01:29:44.909 the whole Novak line, that'd be great. Oh, yeah. 2197 01:29:45.550 --> 01:29:46.100 I would love it. 2198 01:29:46.350 --> 01:29:48.619 You know, I know Severn did a few, but I 2199 01:29:48.659 --> 01:29:50.939 don't know if Severn was the best home for them, because, 2200 01:29:50.979 --> 01:29:54.109 like you said, there might be hardcore stuff at the 2201 01:29:54.170 --> 01:29:57.090 end of the reel, at the end of the print 2202 01:29:57.130 --> 01:29:58.449 that you might want to include. 2203 01:29:58.890 --> 01:30:03.029 Perseverant will. I mean, they've included hardcore stuff on a 2204 01:30:03.029 --> 01:30:03.710 few releases. 2205 01:30:03.750 --> 01:30:07.689 They've done Malibu, but they've done... Very, yes. 2206 01:30:08.380 --> 01:30:10.439 They've also run the Black Emanuel box set. 2207 01:30:10.579 --> 01:30:12.699 So how do they get around doing that and not 2208 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:14.720 having to separate it into a separate company? 2209 01:30:14.739 --> 01:30:17.460 They're an independent company. 2210 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:18.920 I don't think they care. 2211 01:30:18.939 --> 01:30:19.239 No. 2212 01:30:19.380 --> 01:30:19.479 No. 2213 01:30:21.770 --> 01:30:23.149 Um, which I think that's how you, that's how you 2214 01:30:23.170 --> 01:30:25.430 want it with the drop dead fried situation. So, um, um, 2215 01:30:25.750 --> 01:30:29.210 cause I think, you know, cause then universal was like, 2216 01:30:29.229 --> 01:30:33.689 Oh wait, hold on guys. Uh, but yeah, they kind 2217 01:30:33.729 --> 01:30:34.970 of do their own thing, which I love. I mean, 2218 01:30:34.989 --> 01:30:36.750 they just, it's kind of like whatever. I mean, you 2219 01:30:36.770 --> 01:30:38.050 could tell with some of the slip cases that the 2220 01:30:38.090 --> 01:30:40.069 limited slip cases they do, they're just like, how far 2221 01:30:40.109 --> 01:30:40.729 can we go with this? 2222 01:30:40.970 --> 01:30:41.649 Oh, sure. 2223 01:30:41.989 --> 01:30:42.409 You know? 2224 01:30:42.489 --> 01:30:42.750 Yes. 2225 01:30:43.029 --> 01:30:44.970 Um, they push the envelope harder than anybody does with 2226 01:30:44.989 --> 01:30:46.930 that stuff. I mean, God bless them. I'm glad they do. 2227 01:30:47.109 --> 01:30:49.369 So I don't, Yeah, I don't think they care that much. 2228 01:30:49.430 --> 01:30:51.100 And Ragnarok Nights of the Living Dead is hardcore too, 2229 01:30:51.260 --> 01:30:51.979 which they just announced. 2230 01:30:52.020 --> 01:30:52.260 Right. 2231 01:30:52.979 --> 01:30:53.220 Yes. 2232 01:30:53.979 --> 01:30:54.199 Yeah. 2233 01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.399 Yeah, I don't think they're– I don't think that they're– 2234 01:30:57.880 --> 01:30:59.579 I don't think they're as concerned about that because they 2235 01:30:59.619 --> 01:31:02.479 know that it's not– well, also, they're not doing something 2236 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:05.119 that's fully hardcore. Like, I don't see them doing, like, 2237 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:08.609 Night Dreams. I don't even see Mondo Macabre doing Night Dreams, unfortunately, 2238 01:31:08.630 --> 01:31:11.210 because I think it's not– Cafe Flush, they can market 2239 01:31:11.250 --> 01:31:13.989 to a non-porno crowd. Night Dreams is the better movie, 2240 01:31:14.050 --> 01:31:17.390 but it's way harder to market. because it's much more 2241 01:31:17.449 --> 01:31:23.029 sexually graphic and more of a porno movie. 2242 01:31:23.069 --> 01:31:24.800 It's not socially relevant. 2243 01:31:25.180 --> 01:31:30.300 No, yeah, exactly. It's socially relevant to porno people. It's 2244 01:31:30.340 --> 01:31:33.340 not socially relevant to the midnight movie crowd who know 2245 01:31:33.380 --> 01:31:36.739 Cafe Flesh for decades. Yeah, Night Dreams never got that midnight. 2246 01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:40.109 I would have loved it to get some midnight longevity, 2247 01:31:40.430 --> 01:31:45.069 but it's also just too graphic. Yeah. Michelle Bauer in it. 2248 01:31:45.250 --> 01:31:47.399 It should have gotten actually Michelle Bauer being in it. 2249 01:31:48.470 --> 01:31:51.720 So it would be marketable. I just don't think. Yeah, 2250 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.840 I don't know. She's in both movies. She's in Cafe 2251 01:31:54.859 --> 01:31:55.300 Flash too. 2252 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:55.960 Yeah. 2253 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.359 I'm sure somebody will do it at some point, but yeah. 2254 01:31:59.619 --> 01:31:59.739 Yeah. 2255 01:31:59.779 --> 01:32:00.579 It's kind of a thin line, but yeah. 2256 01:32:01.470 --> 01:32:03.430 Yeah, I don't think they care as much. Well, also, 2257 01:32:03.529 --> 01:32:06.229 they put out... No, that was Mondo Macabre, too. See, 2258 01:32:06.250 --> 01:32:09.600 Mondo Macabre doesn't care either. Because they put out Ava Man, 2259 01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:12.800 and they put out something with Hardcore. Oh, Apocalypse is Sexual, 2260 01:32:12.819 --> 01:32:13.180 that thing. 2261 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.600 Yeah, Apocalypse is Sexual is the hardest one. That one is... Whoa. 2262 01:32:16.020 --> 01:32:16.500 Holy crap. 2263 01:32:16.539 --> 01:32:17.600 Yeah. 2264 01:32:17.979 --> 01:32:19.979 They don't see that's a thing. They know that they 2265 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.619 can put it out, and they'll be like, people will 2266 01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:27.210 buy this because it's us, and this is our brand. Yeah. 2267 01:32:28.050 --> 01:32:29.689 They don't need to separate it into a separate thing. 2268 01:32:30.300 --> 01:32:31.850 But I mean, Severin did do the hard, they did 2269 01:32:31.899 --> 01:32:33.970 put a simple dwarf out with the hard stuff in it. So, 2270 01:32:33.989 --> 01:32:34.750 you know. 2271 01:32:34.909 --> 01:32:37.810 Yes. Which I think that, wasn't that another one that 2272 01:32:37.869 --> 01:32:40.380 Image would never have done? I don't think. Yeah. 2273 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:40.640 Yeah. 2274 01:32:40.659 --> 01:32:41.760 I think that one was too rapey too. 2275 01:32:41.779 --> 01:32:41.859 Yeah. 2276 01:32:43.739 --> 01:32:44.739 Yes. Very much so. 2277 01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:45.189 There's a lot. 2278 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:45.300 Yeah. 2279 01:32:46.710 --> 01:32:47.109 It was. 2280 01:32:47.470 --> 01:32:50.029 Well, even talking about that, it's like, yeah, like you said, 2281 01:32:50.060 --> 01:32:51.500 there's some stuff that came out where it's like, well, 2282 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.140 then how did the Flesh trilogy come out? And how 2283 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.600 did like the Olga films come out? It's like, I mean, 2284 01:32:57.939 --> 01:32:59.319 for a while there, we'd be getting all the really 2285 01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:00.060 good roughies. 2286 01:33:00.220 --> 01:33:00.699 I mean, yeah. 2287 01:33:01.180 --> 01:33:01.279 Yeah. 2288 01:33:01.340 --> 01:33:03.649 It's weird. Like the black and white roughies, we never 2289 01:33:03.659 --> 01:33:05.409 had any problems with those. And I think because they 2290 01:33:05.430 --> 01:33:08.130 kind of feel like horror movies. So I think that's 2291 01:33:08.149 --> 01:33:11.029 why they got away with it. They don't feel like, 2292 01:33:11.529 --> 01:33:13.310 Once it goes into color and it starts lingering on, 2293 01:33:13.449 --> 01:33:15.569 I don't know, the tone's a little different. But I 2294 01:33:15.569 --> 01:33:17.630 think with the black and white exploitation, I don't think 2295 01:33:17.670 --> 01:33:19.529 any of those ever caused any problems at all that 2296 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:20.079 I can think of. 2297 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.180 And that may be why Love Toy was never going 2298 01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:28.220 to come out. As far as Doris Wishman's, that Love 2299 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.510 Toy was not going to come out. I don't remember 2300 01:33:31.529 --> 01:33:32.909 that one being on the list for some reason. 2301 01:33:33.109 --> 01:33:34.069 I don't know why. I don't think that ever even 2302 01:33:34.090 --> 01:33:34.550 got pitched. 2303 01:33:35.210 --> 01:33:37.789 For whatever reason interesting okay because i love that one 2304 01:33:37.930 --> 01:33:40.850 but yeah that one seems that negative didn't maybe that 2305 01:33:40.890 --> 01:33:44.100 negative didn't appear to fill recently more recently i don't 2306 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:46.100 know the story behind that one no i think it 2307 01:33:46.140 --> 01:33:48.960 was there i think it was i think the dvdr 2308 01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:52.460 i had said transferred from the 35 millimeter negative yeah. 2309 01:33:52.939 --> 01:33:54.939 I mean there were certain titles that i really wanted 2310 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:56.640 to do that i kept begging mike for that they're 2311 01:33:56.659 --> 01:33:58.439 just the elements couldn't be done like i kept asking 2312 01:33:58.470 --> 01:34:00.710 him to do roseland and like he's like there's nothing 2313 01:34:00.729 --> 01:34:01.489 to transfer. 2314 01:34:01.409 --> 01:34:03.750 It's just it's gone oh god you're kidding. 2315 01:34:03.850 --> 01:34:06.100 Yeah Because what they took the tape from, it just 2316 01:34:06.140 --> 01:34:07.720 fell apart after they scanned it. 2317 01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:09.739 That's happened numerous times, yeah. 2318 01:34:10.420 --> 01:34:13.180 That sucks. Because I know that Stephen Thorough probably wanted 2319 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:16.119 someone to put that out, too. I imagine, actually, because 2320 01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:17.970 I think he's the one who convinced Arrow to do 2321 01:34:17.989 --> 01:34:21.149 Toys Not For Children. And I'm sure that Roseland was 2322 01:34:21.210 --> 01:34:23.310 on that list, too. Because that's another one from Nightmare 2323 01:34:23.390 --> 01:34:26.050 USA that he would have wanted to be reissued because 2324 01:34:26.090 --> 01:34:30.569 of the Hobbs connection. That's a bummer. I love Roseland. 2325 01:34:30.590 --> 01:34:32.449 I do, too. It broke my heart when he told 2326 01:34:32.470 --> 01:34:35.090 me that. I'm like, oh, come on. I keep hoping 2327 01:34:35.149 --> 01:34:37.170 a really nice print or maybe an IP will pop 2328 01:34:37.229 --> 01:34:39.930 up somewhere that got stuck in some other lab somewhere. 2329 01:34:39.949 --> 01:34:45.420 It has that good loading zone footage too, which is 2330 01:34:45.460 --> 01:34:47.819 like you don't really have footage of the loading zone 2331 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:53.140 with that singer who's so great. That's such a bummer. 2332 01:34:55.909 --> 01:34:58.710 I know what's on your mind. Escape. Escape. 2333 01:34:59.420 --> 01:35:00.460 Forget it, ladies. 2334 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.229 I planned this too well to have one of you 2335 01:35:03.289 --> 01:35:07.210 run off and mess things up. You'll all be fed 2336 01:35:07.270 --> 01:35:10.229 the best I can. You'll have a place to sleep. 2337 01:35:11.449 --> 01:35:14.680 If any of you have inhibitions, I'll help you lose them. 2338 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:18.239 I'll call you pigs and you call me master. 2339 01:35:18.420 --> 01:35:21.500 Well, so Big Snatch got flagged because of the title, though, 2340 01:35:21.539 --> 01:35:24.250 more than the content. Is that how I'm understanding it? 2341 01:35:24.250 --> 01:35:28.100 I think it's both. I think, I think that one 2342 01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:29.939 was a pretty quick, you know, that love camp seven, 2343 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.479 I think got, got next really fast. Yeah. But then, 2344 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:35.359 and sometimes I just think they weren't looking carefully because 2345 01:35:35.380 --> 01:35:37.619 sometimes stuff would slip through. I was like, really? Like, 2346 01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:39.699 I mean, early on, like they let a recommendation of 2347 01:35:39.729 --> 01:35:42.289 Zorro go through with the one, that one shot, you know, 2348 01:35:42.350 --> 01:35:44.149 just kind of distant, but still there's that shot in there. 2349 01:35:44.170 --> 01:35:46.810 And I'm like, okay, I guess nobody noticed, but. 2350 01:35:47.489 --> 01:35:48.789 That one's easy not to notice. 2351 01:35:48.810 --> 01:35:48.909 Yeah. 2352 01:35:48.949 --> 01:35:50.729 If you're not just like going frame by frame. 2353 01:35:51.310 --> 01:35:51.470 Yeah. 2354 01:35:51.670 --> 01:35:52.550 Right. 2355 01:35:52.590 --> 01:35:53.479 Right. Yeah. 2356 01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:55.420 Big snatch. A lot of those interesting. Cause I thought 2357 01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:57.640 that after like the guy Richie movie came out, that 2358 01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.600 like snatch was okay to have in a title now. 2359 01:36:00.810 --> 01:36:03.409 I thought that's what I would think, but you're right. 2360 01:36:03.449 --> 01:36:06.109 The content is really, the whole movie is just women being, uh, 2361 01:36:07.970 --> 01:36:12.500 you know, just held captive and raped and, peggy church 2362 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:14.800 on the roof of a car getting her clam steamed 2363 01:36:14.859 --> 01:36:17.960 open or whatever he says yeah yeah which is wild 2364 01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:20.279 if it was if it was more competently made it 2365 01:36:20.300 --> 01:36:22.960 would actually be offensive but because it's not it's just 2366 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:24.600 kind of like well this is so this is so 2367 01:36:24.659 --> 01:36:27.939 stupid like you know that's made by some lapd douchebag 2368 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:32.750 to make a sex movie yeah i mean yeah there's 2369 01:36:32.770 --> 01:36:34.710 some good women in that though tracy hanfush is very 2370 01:36:34.750 --> 01:36:35.949 good in that Yeah. 2371 01:36:36.210 --> 01:36:36.430 Yeah. 2372 01:36:36.970 --> 01:36:38.710 I kind of, I wish at some point he'd put 2373 01:36:38.750 --> 01:36:40.270 us down to do Tanya. Cause I would be curious 2374 01:36:40.289 --> 01:36:41.880 to see if that got through, but I don't think 2375 01:36:41.899 --> 01:36:43.039 they ever got submitted as far. 2376 01:36:42.979 --> 01:36:43.220 As I know. 2377 01:36:43.340 --> 01:36:45.739 Oh, Tanya did go through. Tanya did come out. 2378 01:36:46.260 --> 01:36:46.600 Oh, did it? 2379 01:36:47.380 --> 01:36:48.579 With Roblox and the baby factory. 2380 01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:48.979 Yeah. 2381 01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:50.079 Oh, that's right. It did. 2382 01:36:50.100 --> 01:36:50.739 It did. Yeah. 2383 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.529 Yeah. Which was a surprise. Yeah. Tanya was very graphic. 2384 01:36:54.729 --> 01:36:57.229 I remember I reviewed that and I raved about it. 2385 01:36:57.229 --> 01:36:58.489 I was like, everyone buys it. 2386 01:36:58.510 --> 01:37:00.289 That was the co-feature. 2387 01:37:00.310 --> 01:37:05.189 That's right. Very strange co-feature, but it's Novak. It was 2388 01:37:05.210 --> 01:37:06.250 a Novak connection, I think. 2389 01:37:06.390 --> 01:37:09.890 Well, they're both like semi-political. They have like a political 2390 01:37:09.930 --> 01:37:10.710 overtone to them. 2391 01:37:11.109 --> 01:37:11.409 True. 2392 01:37:11.770 --> 01:37:12.350 That's true. 2393 01:37:12.930 --> 01:37:18.329 Very polar ends of the decade. One is very early 60s, 2394 01:37:18.350 --> 01:37:20.300 late 60s. One is very late 70s. 2395 01:37:20.649 --> 01:37:22.020 Yeah. 2396 01:37:22.760 --> 01:37:25.460 Well, that was something else that I wondered about, because 2397 01:37:25.500 --> 01:37:29.779 I know... Did you do the Jeffery C. Hogue commentaries, too? 2398 01:37:31.060 --> 01:37:31.859 Was he LA based? 2399 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.140 He came in. I wasn't on them, but he came 2400 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:34.880 in the office for those. 2401 01:37:35.140 --> 01:37:35.319 Yeah. 2402 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:36.260 Interesting. 2403 01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:36.479 Okay. 2404 01:37:36.500 --> 01:37:39.800 Cause I remember that deal was brief and they, I 2405 01:37:39.819 --> 01:37:41.939 think there was the asylum of Satan was through him. 2406 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:45.500 I think psych by the 40, which was through him. Right. 2407 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:46.720 And there was something else. 2408 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:49.039 He did a commentary. Oh, Dr. Gore, the body shop, 2409 01:37:49.060 --> 01:37:49.699 I think was him. 2410 01:37:50.260 --> 01:37:50.539 Right. 2411 01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:53.479 So it wasn't as many as I thought it was, but, um, 2412 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:55.909 I feel like that was one of their last libraries 2413 01:37:55.949 --> 01:38:01.489 that they actually got from an outside party. And some 2414 01:38:01.529 --> 01:38:03.170 of them never came out. Like, I had that deal 2415 01:38:03.189 --> 01:38:06.069 with Steve Apostoloff's library, and that never translated to Image, 2416 01:38:06.140 --> 01:38:10.039 which I thought was very interesting. And then I think 2417 01:38:10.060 --> 01:38:13.760 there was only one Distropix double feature, which we've bemoaned, 2418 01:38:13.779 --> 01:38:17.359 because now that we all love the Grand Place movies, 2419 01:38:17.420 --> 01:38:19.439 we're kind of like, why weren't the Grand Place movies 2420 01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:22.260 put out? We could have gotten The Procurer and Roman Broad, 2421 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:27.430 but we got Scare Their Pants Off and for some 2422 01:38:27.489 --> 01:38:32.029 reason yeah well i'm sure those are the those are 2423 01:38:32.050 --> 01:38:34.220 the tamest ones i think that might be why those 2424 01:38:34.229 --> 01:38:35.880 are probably easier to pitch it was. 2425 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:37.279 A title scare their pants off as a might bring 2426 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.199 you title i'm sure that just the title alone he 2427 01:38:39.220 --> 01:38:39.500 was like. 2428 01:38:39.420 --> 01:38:44.680 Yeah you know that tracks i guarantee it that's a 2429 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.500 title you can sell you know because anything that's like 2430 01:38:46.659 --> 01:38:49.880 you know spooky sexy like done The movie sucks. 2431 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.840 That's true. Yeah, that's true. 2432 01:38:52.340 --> 01:38:54.880 Spooky sexy or sci-fi sexy. 2433 01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:55.819 Yeah. 2434 01:38:55.939 --> 01:38:56.140 Yeah. 2435 01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:57.220 Yes. 2436 01:38:57.460 --> 01:38:59.960 Like, man, man, thank you, Spaceman. That thing. 2437 01:38:59.979 --> 01:39:00.659 Right. 2438 01:39:01.460 --> 01:39:03.600 I forget if there was another Novak commentary on that. 2439 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:04.460 I don't think there was. 2440 01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:05.159 No, no, no. 2441 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:06.039 I don't think there was. 2442 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:07.479 No. 2443 01:39:08.189 --> 01:39:08.689 Can you imagine? 2444 01:39:09.470 --> 01:39:10.029 No. 2445 01:39:10.470 --> 01:39:11.989 Yeah, no, we got enough. 2446 01:39:13.289 --> 01:39:13.550 Right. 2447 01:39:14.350 --> 01:39:16.430 Well, that was something else. That's the only thing that 2448 01:39:16.470 --> 01:39:18.520 I kind of That was the only thing that I 2449 01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:20.600 think I commented on when I was reviewing these for 2450 01:39:20.659 --> 01:39:23.859 DVD drive-in. And because I was trying to actually, when 2451 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:25.560 I saw these movies that I liked, I would try 2452 01:39:25.590 --> 01:39:29.109 to contact like cast and crew. And then I would 2453 01:39:29.149 --> 01:39:30.630 find out that they were still around. And I'm like, well, 2454 01:39:30.649 --> 01:39:32.789 why didn't we get a commentary by them? And then 2455 01:39:32.829 --> 01:39:34.909 it wasn't until I started talking to Mike and Lisa more. 2456 01:39:34.949 --> 01:39:36.130 And it was like, well, you know, they're going to 2457 01:39:36.149 --> 01:39:38.010 claim they own these movies, but they might not own 2458 01:39:38.050 --> 01:39:39.609 the movie. So we're just opening a can of worms. 2459 01:39:39.649 --> 01:39:41.989 If we contact everyone that we want to talk to. 2460 01:39:42.350 --> 01:39:44.479 So eventually it kind of dawned on me. It's like, 2461 01:39:44.579 --> 01:39:47.750 and then as I went on back, Novak's, mo in 2462 01:39:47.770 --> 01:39:49.380 terms of his business then it was like well yeah 2463 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.600 you can't really call directors back to talk about their 2464 01:39:51.619 --> 01:39:53.659 work with novak because they don't want to talk about 2465 01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:56.939 dealing with novak i think people did that with the 2466 01:39:56.979 --> 01:39:59.899 crown internationals too there were people that didn't want to 2467 01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:02.500 do extras for crown international releases because they didn't want 2468 01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:06.020 to talk about uh the tensors and how they were 2469 01:40:06.060 --> 01:40:08.039 treated with the tensors yeah. 2470 01:40:09.140 --> 01:40:11.140 Well yeah because you think they're making money off of 2471 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:12.779 their track if they if they contribute to it'll sell 2472 01:40:12.859 --> 01:40:14.260 and they won't see a time of it again so 2473 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:16.659 yeah they just want to get screwed over so yeah 2474 01:40:17.109 --> 01:40:19.250 Which is fair enough. But then the– I don't know. 2475 01:40:19.369 --> 01:40:21.130 I really wish that– and I also wish there was 2476 01:40:21.149 --> 01:40:23.369 a budget to give for commentaries because usually– that's the 2477 01:40:23.390 --> 01:40:25.390 other thing is that back then, you didn't get paid 2478 01:40:25.409 --> 01:40:26.550 to do these. It was just out of the love 2479 01:40:26.569 --> 01:40:27.600 of your heart because you wanted to come in and 2480 01:40:27.649 --> 01:40:31.500 do it. And then Schwarzenegger had to screw it all 2481 01:40:31.539 --> 01:40:33.079 up and he demanded whatever for total recall. 2482 01:40:33.180 --> 01:40:35.560 And then after that, it was like– What was it? $ 25, 000 2483 01:40:35.460 --> 01:40:36.420 or something? I don't remember. 2484 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:37.939 No more than that. Oh, it was way more than that. 2485 01:40:37.979 --> 01:40:39.020 Oh, was it? Oh, God. 2486 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:39.460 Way more, yeah. 2487 01:40:40.609 --> 01:40:43.970 Um demanding that much money for audio only. 2488 01:40:43.729 --> 01:40:45.640 Yeah and it wasn't even a good track i mean 2489 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:46.720 it sucked no. 2490 01:40:49.060 --> 01:40:52.239 No that was bad i remember that yeah. 2491 01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:54.720 Yeah and at image also we had um you know 2492 01:40:54.739 --> 01:40:56.789 because we kept the dad copies of all the commentaries 2493 01:40:56.829 --> 01:40:58.250 even the ones that never came out which was kind 2494 01:40:58.270 --> 01:41:00.369 of heartbreaker because like we had the original first track 2495 01:41:00.390 --> 01:41:02.310 that friedkin did for the exorcist which has never been 2496 01:41:02.350 --> 01:41:04.670 heard um which is way better than the one that 2497 01:41:04.689 --> 01:41:07.710 we got damn but he Yeah. But he changed his mind. 2498 01:41:07.729 --> 01:41:08.710 He's like, I want to redo it. And he did 2499 01:41:08.729 --> 01:41:10.149 it again. He just sits there and just narrates the movie. 2500 01:41:10.170 --> 01:41:11.930 And he was like, oh, this is awful. What are 2501 01:41:11.949 --> 01:41:12.390 you doing? 2502 01:41:12.409 --> 01:41:14.189 I hate that. 2503 01:41:14.210 --> 01:41:14.670 But yeah. 2504 01:41:14.789 --> 01:41:17.310 And they have dads with all these isolated music tracks 2505 01:41:17.430 --> 01:41:18.949 from Masters that never came out. Like all the Corman 2506 01:41:18.970 --> 01:41:22.710 Poe movies. Stuff like that. I really hope it's all 2507 01:41:22.729 --> 01:41:24.689 sitting over in the RLJ office still. Like if they've 2508 01:41:24.710 --> 01:41:27.649 got it archived somewhere. Because AMC owns them now. Right. 2509 01:41:28.130 --> 01:41:28.409 I don't know. 2510 01:41:28.449 --> 01:41:30.109 But I hope all that stuff is still preserved. Because 2511 01:41:30.130 --> 01:41:32.229 there's things in there that will never, ever cross anyone's 2512 01:41:32.250 --> 01:41:34.090 path again. Yeah. 2513 01:41:34.260 --> 01:41:36.189 Is there any other commentaries you can think of that 2514 01:41:36.819 --> 01:41:40.420 got recorded that didn't get released for some reason or another. 2515 01:41:41.180 --> 01:41:42.939 Yeah there was a new line one that we did 2516 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.819 called man of the century um which we did with 2517 01:41:45.859 --> 01:41:49.270 the producer and then the director like for some reason 2518 01:41:49.310 --> 01:41:51.449 threw a fit and told them not to use it 2519 01:41:51.930 --> 01:41:53.630 and so he went back into this gag one where 2520 01:41:53.649 --> 01:41:55.149 it's he just he's like he starts it and he 2521 01:41:55.189 --> 01:41:57.250 has a sound but director stopping him like a minute 2522 01:41:57.270 --> 01:42:00.069 into it it's stupid yeah but like that one never 2523 01:42:00.100 --> 01:42:02.159 saw the light of day um which is too bad 2524 01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:04.720 i'd other than that I mean obviously Acid Eaters at 2525 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:06.140 the time that wasn't ours though that was one that 2526 01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:08.300 Mike had done with Dave and I guess I think 2527 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:11.000 his dad had like gone missing or something and so 2528 01:42:11.020 --> 01:42:12.380 when it came up to do the DVD they couldn't 2529 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:14.220 find it or whatever so thank god they found it 2530 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:18.060 later now it's on the Blu-ray which god that was 2531 01:42:18.100 --> 01:42:20.439 a gorgeous release like I could not believe those transfers 2532 01:42:20.500 --> 01:42:21.239 on Acid Eaters and Space. 2533 01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:23.689 Thing oh I'm excited to see it I'm excited because 2534 01:42:24.149 --> 01:42:27.770 that's the thing I don't love either of those but 2535 01:42:28.189 --> 01:42:31.689 I'm not well Space Thing I mean Kara Peters is 2536 01:42:31.750 --> 01:42:33.319 like a drag queen in that. 2537 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.079 So like, I like, I want the high camp. I 2538 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.159 want to see that nice look, short, gorgeous, but also 2539 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:41.789 acid is considering how not great it is. Like it's 2540 01:42:41.850 --> 01:42:44.989 photographed so beautifully. The color are so gorgeous in that. 2541 01:42:45.050 --> 01:42:47.310 And the DVD looks great already. So I know that 2542 01:42:47.350 --> 01:42:49.210 that Blu-ray is going to look good. Yeah. 2543 01:42:49.750 --> 01:42:49.909 Yeah. 2544 01:42:50.050 --> 01:42:52.350 Both of like acid eaters. I didn't realize looked the 2545 01:42:52.369 --> 01:42:54.770 way that it does now. It's stupefying how beautiful it 2546 01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:57.199 is now. Both of those movies. It's just insane. 2547 01:42:57.439 --> 01:42:57.619 Yeah. 2548 01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:01.180 You're always, I'm so excited. yeah excited yeah it's shocking 2549 01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:01.479 which is. 2550 01:43:01.460 --> 01:43:03.279 Funny because i never thought i'd ever get excited about 2551 01:43:03.340 --> 01:43:06.359 either of those movies ever again but but i saw 2552 01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:09.289 the screenshots and i was like okay this might be 2553 01:43:09.369 --> 01:43:10.989 time for me to reevaluate these. 2554 01:43:11.069 --> 01:43:13.789 Have you done the comparison screenshots yet nate. 2555 01:43:13.909 --> 01:43:15.149 I haven't done it yet i'm working on it'll be 2556 01:43:15.189 --> 01:43:15.829 up sometime this. 2557 01:43:15.770 --> 01:43:19.680 Week yeah okay yeah nice yeah those are always helpful 2558 01:43:20.020 --> 01:43:21.420 those are always very helpful. 2559 01:43:21.609 --> 01:43:23.130 I try, yeah. And I think I'm the only one 2560 01:43:23.149 --> 01:43:25.369 who does screenshots with something weird DVDs because most people 2561 01:43:25.390 --> 01:43:27.020 don't have those handy. So I think it's important to 2562 01:43:27.029 --> 01:43:29.319 have the comparisons so people know what the differences are. 2563 01:43:29.340 --> 01:43:32.079 It's pretty radical on some of those. 2564 01:43:33.020 --> 01:43:33.300 Yeah. 2565 01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:36.359 Well, and that reminds me, I mean, you mentioned that 2566 01:43:36.380 --> 01:43:38.859 you started Modo Digital, like you said, out of college? 2567 01:43:39.899 --> 01:43:41.119 Yeah, I was still in college. I think I was 2568 01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:42.699 like my last year in college. It was like 98, 2569 01:43:42.699 --> 01:43:45.500 I think, when I started it. Which was kind of 2570 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:47.420 like for fun because I was so frustrated because there 2571 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:50.050 were all these review sites that they either did only 2572 01:43:50.100 --> 01:43:52.810 horror or only mainstream studio stuff. And I was like, 2573 01:43:52.850 --> 01:43:55.649 but there's all this in between, like what I want 2574 01:43:55.670 --> 01:43:57.789 to do is like, let's do art films and just 2575 01:43:57.810 --> 01:43:59.789 kind of the weird, unclassifiable stuff and the horror and 2576 01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:01.909 just the exploitation, the stuff that nobody was really covering. 2577 01:44:01.930 --> 01:44:04.760 So that was the whole point. Um, and some other stuff. And, 2578 01:44:04.770 --> 01:44:06.500 you know, and then, then thank God you were ready 2579 01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:08.479 for DVD drive in. Cause your reviews were amazing. I mean, 2580 01:44:08.500 --> 01:44:09.319 you were coming up with stuff. 2581 01:44:09.340 --> 01:44:09.439 Yeah. 2582 01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:11.949 I had no idea. I was like, oh my God, 2583 01:44:11.970 --> 01:44:13.670 how is he putting these dots together? I had no idea. 2584 01:44:14.350 --> 01:44:16.770 Well, and that's kind of the crazy thing because I 2585 01:44:16.789 --> 01:44:20.930 think you are the, you're like the longest running site 2586 01:44:21.130 --> 01:44:24.470 in this sphere that's still around. So you can, we 2587 01:44:24.489 --> 01:44:27.310 can access, like what did I just read? I read 2588 01:44:27.329 --> 01:44:30.359 an early article I was watching I, a woman for 2589 01:44:30.380 --> 01:44:33.000 the first time. And I was like, Oh yeah, I forgot. 2590 01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:36.640 I have this DVD from, so I'll watch it. And 2591 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:38.579 then I was like, did he review it? And he, 2592 01:44:38.699 --> 01:44:40.279 and your review is on there and you're like the 2593 01:44:40.380 --> 01:44:44.590 only surviving review of that DVD anywhere on the internet. 2594 01:44:44.850 --> 01:44:47.409 And so like, cause DVD arriving is gone. Like a 2595 01:44:47.470 --> 01:44:50.130 lot of the DVD talk stuff is gone. AV maniacs 2596 01:44:50.189 --> 01:44:53.810 is gone. I'm trying to remember who I also digital 2597 01:44:53.850 --> 01:44:55.869 bits is hit or miss. I don't see them that 2598 01:44:55.909 --> 01:45:00.689 much anymore, but like it's, Yeah, you're like a go-to place. Like, 2599 01:45:00.750 --> 01:45:04.850 if I know I need to know what a release 2600 01:45:04.890 --> 01:45:07.579 looked like, or also if all the extras have been 2601 01:45:07.619 --> 01:45:11.119 ported over from one release to another, that's very important 2602 01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:14.359 to me. Because then I'm like, I said on here 2603 01:45:14.390 --> 01:45:17.409 in an earlier episode, yeah, I have the Montemar Cabra 4K, 2604 01:45:17.569 --> 01:45:20.810 or Blood Rose. But there's that behind-the-scenes footage on the 2605 01:45:21.210 --> 01:45:25.390 less-shocky Foo version, which I still need, and Nathaniel's review 2606 01:45:25.649 --> 01:45:27.489 reminded me of that. So I'm like, okay, I guess 2607 01:45:27.529 --> 01:45:29.149 I have to have two 4Ks of this. 2608 01:45:29.989 --> 01:45:30.810 Just because. 2609 01:45:32.130 --> 01:45:33.909 But that's kind of the nature of the beast. We 2610 01:45:33.949 --> 01:45:35.920 have to own multiple versions of these things in a 2611 01:45:35.939 --> 01:45:39.279 lot of cases, just because it's the way it is. 2612 01:45:39.640 --> 01:45:41.100 Do you know what I go to your site for 2613 01:45:41.140 --> 01:45:46.329 a lot, Nathan? is to hear which audio track you 2614 01:45:46.510 --> 01:45:48.409 think is best to like start with. 2615 01:45:48.710 --> 01:45:49.050 Oh yeah. 2616 01:45:49.069 --> 01:45:50.789 Watching that for the first time. 2617 01:45:51.149 --> 01:45:53.130 I always go to your Sam. Okay, wait, I got 2618 01:45:53.149 --> 01:45:55.300 these options. Which one should I listen to first? 2619 01:45:55.779 --> 01:45:56.020 Yes. 2620 01:45:56.739 --> 01:45:58.279 So like the one, but the area where a lot 2621 01:45:58.300 --> 01:46:00.619 of companies are like, unfortunately not really paying attention, I 2622 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:03.420 think our audio and subtitles, like they don't really seem 2623 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:05.439 to be checking those very carefully, which drives me nuts 2624 01:46:05.500 --> 01:46:06.920 as great as a lot of boutique labels are. Um, 2625 01:46:08.300 --> 01:46:10.079 And God is, I love inner syndrome, but they've dropped 2626 01:46:10.100 --> 01:46:11.439 the ball on the audio on some things and the 2627 01:46:11.460 --> 01:46:13.699 subs where it's like, like primal fear is the one that, um, 2628 01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:17.899 or primal rage, sorry, primal rage. Um, you know, cause 2629 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:19.560 it has like the wrong, the wrong English track on there. 2630 01:46:19.579 --> 01:46:23.220 It's like, ah, come on. Um, yeah, it's this really 2631 01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:24.960 crappy mono track. It just sounds like garbage. And I'm 2632 01:46:24.979 --> 01:46:28.520 just like, ah, why you do this nice 4k. And it's, ah, 2633 01:46:28.659 --> 01:46:29.260 how'd that happen? 2634 01:46:29.699 --> 01:46:32.020 How can, how can you tell that it's the wrong track? 2635 01:46:33.340 --> 01:46:35.859 Because every other release, I mean, the VHS, the DVD, 2636 01:46:35.939 --> 01:46:37.600 the earlier Blu-ray, like, they're all stereo. It had a 2637 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.319 Dolby Stereo mix. It sounds amazing. It's a great mix. 2638 01:46:40.890 --> 01:46:42.029 And I popped in the 4K, and I was like, 2639 01:46:42.350 --> 01:46:45.670 this sounds like it's in a tin can. Like, what happened? Like, 2640 01:46:45.689 --> 01:46:48.229 this is not the way this is supposed to sound. Like, immediately, 2641 01:46:48.829 --> 01:46:49.909 it's like, this is wrong. 2642 01:46:50.689 --> 01:46:52.850 It makes you wonder where that mix went. It's like, 2643 01:46:52.909 --> 01:46:56.399 did they not have that original mix? Well, another stiff 2644 01:46:56.439 --> 01:46:59.119 competition was that. Because stiff competition, they put out in 4K, 2645 01:46:59.220 --> 01:47:03.000 and that was one of, that was an early... Well, actually, 2646 01:47:03.020 --> 01:47:04.760 I think it was one of the last adult movies 2647 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.579 that was shown in theaters with stereo. And it came 2648 01:47:07.699 --> 01:47:09.699 out on the 4K with mono. And I was like, well, 2649 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:11.979 I would have loved to have had this looking and 2650 01:47:12.020 --> 01:47:17.069 sounding state-of-the-art top quality, but I don't think they had 2651 01:47:17.149 --> 01:47:21.149 access to the original Dolby Stereo tracks of that. Caballero 2652 01:47:21.189 --> 01:47:23.779 threw away so much stuff. But for something like Parable Rage, 2653 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:27.359 that's very surprising with the home video track record of 2654 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:27.699 that one. 2655 01:47:27.939 --> 01:47:28.579 That's interesting. 2656 01:47:29.140 --> 01:47:30.960 Yeah, it's too bad. And that's something that Mike was 2657 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:33.699 actually good about, because whenever they would transfer, like, especially 2658 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:35.220 the Novaks and the Freedmans, because they had access to 2659 01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:36.340 all the Knicks, but they would always go to the 2660 01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:40.239 original Magtracks for those. That's why those DVDs still sound good, too, 2661 01:47:40.260 --> 01:47:43.000 because the sound of those is just pristine, which I 2662 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:45.680 don't think people, because, you know, with exploitation, if you're watching, like, 2663 01:47:45.779 --> 01:47:47.819 some banged-up print, you don't realize, like, just how really 2664 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:48.840 well-recorded some of those were. 2665 01:47:48.859 --> 01:47:49.640 Right. 2666 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:52.319 Especially with music. I mean, they really paid more attention 2667 01:47:52.340 --> 01:47:53.560 to the sound mix on those than a lot of 2668 01:47:53.579 --> 01:47:55.020 people tend to give them credit for, I think. 2669 01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:55.699 Mm-hmm. 2670 01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:59.529 Well, what is it? There are some, oh, well, A 2671 01:47:59.550 --> 01:48:05.020 Hot-Blooded Woman. The soundtrack on that, the sound on that 2672 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:08.460 is crazy. It's like I'm listening to a CD recording 2673 01:48:09.020 --> 01:48:11.319 of those library tracks. I'm like, why does it sound 2674 01:48:11.340 --> 01:48:13.350 so good? This is from a beaten up print. And 2675 01:48:13.390 --> 01:48:15.210 I was like, I know it's not from a CD 2676 01:48:15.250 --> 01:48:17.949 because no one knows what those tracks are. They don't 2677 01:48:17.989 --> 01:48:20.159 exist right now as far as we know. So, yeah 2678 01:48:20.220 --> 01:48:22.060 it always is very impressive to me when i'm like 2679 01:48:22.119 --> 01:48:24.600 oh actually this is why does it sound so good 2680 01:48:24.819 --> 01:48:41.689 like it's this cheap shot in texas thing that's interesting. 2681 01:48:41.770 --> 01:48:41.970 Yeah. 2682 01:48:41.989 --> 01:48:44.050 That's something that I don't, I don't think enough people 2683 01:48:44.109 --> 01:48:47.149 really cover is, are the audio and the subtitle options. 2684 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:49.000 And also you make a very good point of noting 2685 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:52.340 when it's dubbed titles, which I cannot stand. I don't, 2686 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:55.479 I want those because there are so many differences between 2687 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:59.199 languages that, yeah, you can't go by what the dub says, like, 2688 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:02.680 especially because it's been put on record, like from what's 2689 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:05.550 his face. Um, nick alexander where he's like oh yeah 2690 01:49:05.569 --> 01:49:07.390 sometimes we just make stuff up i'm like oh so 2691 01:49:07.409 --> 01:49:10.010 that doesn't match the italian dub that with the original 2692 01:49:10.090 --> 01:49:13.189 script okay so yeah i want the options of both 2693 01:49:13.329 --> 01:49:15.550 i think it's just a case of like i don't 2694 01:49:15.569 --> 01:49:17.020 know what the budget is for that i don't know 2695 01:49:17.029 --> 01:49:19.189 how much more budget it would cost to just translate 2696 01:49:19.220 --> 01:49:20.680 it but it's. 2697 01:49:20.579 --> 01:49:22.119 Not that much more i mean and i think that 2698 01:49:22.140 --> 01:49:23.880 now people it's sort of obligatory you have to put 2699 01:49:24.119 --> 01:49:25.880 sgh subs on your movies anyway now like if you 2700 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:27.479 don't kind of get dragged to the mug for it 2701 01:49:27.500 --> 01:49:28.779 so it's like well forgetting that i might as well 2702 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:30.970 just do the translation same And I mean, even cause 2703 01:49:30.989 --> 01:49:32.930 like there were some holdouts, like sovereign didn't do it 2704 01:49:32.970 --> 01:49:34.310 for some stuff like beyond the darkness. And there were 2705 01:49:34.329 --> 01:49:36.010 a couple other titles where they didn't, they only put 2706 01:49:36.029 --> 01:49:38.329 dub titles on. And I was like, that's the titles 2707 01:49:38.350 --> 01:49:40.859 for beyond the darkness are useless. Cause like, there's a 2708 01:49:40.979 --> 01:49:43.760 completely different dialogue. I mean, like in different places, different 2709 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:46.560 offscreen dialogue. I mean, it's, it's wildly different. Like you can't, 2710 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:47.739 it was, it was used to thank God during the 2711 01:49:47.899 --> 01:49:50.140 4k and they'll have that fixed. Um, or like the other, 2712 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:52.539 the other hell was one that did that. But, um, 2713 01:49:52.739 --> 01:49:54.100 you know, but yeah, like on something we were like, 2714 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:55.640 we never, back then we never captioned any of those. 2715 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:57.590 Um, yeah. Yeah. 2716 01:49:57.649 --> 01:49:59.010 For, for what, whatever. 2717 01:49:59.510 --> 01:50:02.020 Um, That's why I'm glad we're getting some of those 2718 01:50:02.069 --> 01:50:06.800 now with subtitles now. Some of it is hard. 2719 01:50:06.979 --> 01:50:09.399 To hear the dialogue. 2720 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:13.000 Some of the subtitles should do those because there's some 2721 01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:14.899 of those for some of the dialogue. If you say 2722 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:16.300 that's what they're saying, I'll take your word for it 2723 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:19.159 because I don't know. 2724 01:50:19.220 --> 01:50:21.500 That's something else that I... Oh, that was something that 2725 01:50:21.539 --> 01:50:27.000 irritated me. It was on the Disco Italia release where 2726 01:50:28.149 --> 01:50:30.970 The name, the St. Peckinpah, the name was misspelled. 2727 01:50:31.130 --> 01:50:31.470 Oh, yeah. 2728 01:50:31.630 --> 01:50:34.729 And I was like, how do you misspell Peckinpah? And 2729 01:50:34.789 --> 01:50:36.989 I think some of the lyrics were off, and I 2730 01:50:37.010 --> 01:50:40.149 was like, oh, Lord. These are popular songs. You should 2731 01:50:40.170 --> 01:50:42.079 be able to at least Google the lyrics. But then 2732 01:50:42.100 --> 01:50:45.380 I wonder, did they make the mistake because it's a 2733 01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:48.619 legal thing about reprinting lyrics of things? I don't think 2734 01:50:48.659 --> 01:50:49.819 they think of that. 2735 01:50:50.300 --> 01:50:52.899 I doubt it. Well, another problem is that sometimes you'll 2736 01:50:52.939 --> 01:50:56.090 have subtitles who are obviously... like in their twenties or something. 2737 01:50:56.130 --> 01:50:57.729 And they have no reference for all of this stuff. 2738 01:50:57.770 --> 01:50:59.909 Cause I, Oh yeah. I've noticed on some of your, 2739 01:50:59.930 --> 01:51:01.449 so there was one video where it was like, obviously 2740 01:51:01.470 --> 01:51:03.710 the subtitler must've been like 21 or something. Cause there 2741 01:51:03.729 --> 01:51:04.979 was a movie with, I can't remember what movie it was, 2742 01:51:04.989 --> 01:51:06.649 but there was like constant pop culture from this, like 2743 01:51:06.710 --> 01:51:08.949 Ursula Anderson stuff. And they were just making up subtitles. 2744 01:51:09.029 --> 01:51:12.050 It was like just gibberish. And I was like, I 2745 01:51:12.130 --> 01:51:15.180 don't know what you're typing here, but I don't know 2746 01:51:15.189 --> 01:51:15.569 what that is. 2747 01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:16.960 Oh no. 2748 01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:19.560 Yeah, that was my, so that was it for Face 2749 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:22.960 With Two Left Feet. It was the Kwando, Kwando, Kwando. 2750 01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:24.819 And I was like, well, this is a standard. Like, 2751 01:51:24.859 --> 01:51:26.539 you can look up the lyrics to this. And instead, 2752 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:28.920 they were just doing whatever. I was like, oh, okay. 2753 01:51:29.399 --> 01:51:31.399 At least I know the lyrics to this great song. 2754 01:51:31.460 --> 01:51:35.779 It's fine. But, you know. Yoruba songs are tougher, though, 2755 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:39.600 because you have those heavy accents in some of their songs. So, like, 2756 01:51:39.649 --> 01:51:42.149 if you're going to do, like, well, I don't have 2757 01:51:42.210 --> 01:51:44.569 a Night Train Murders release, but if you're going to subtitle, like, 2758 01:51:45.550 --> 01:51:48.720 Demise Rousseau's theme song to that. I don't know if 2759 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.500 I could subtitle that. I don't know what he's singing 2760 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:55.539 half the time. Very thick Greek accent. But, you know, 2761 01:51:56.380 --> 01:51:56.659 it's tough. 2762 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:01.539 Take a flower in your hand. That's all I know. 2763 01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:04.239 Yeah, a flower's all you need. That's kind of all 2764 01:52:04.260 --> 01:52:10.149 I know from that. I know Gentry... Something else, Gentry, 2765 01:52:10.649 --> 01:52:12.029 and I definitely want to ask about this, too, because 2766 01:52:12.069 --> 01:52:14.960 I remember this. I lived through this, was the Borders 2767 01:52:15.060 --> 01:52:19.460 extra weird DVD situation. Well, first of all, the Borders 2768 01:52:19.500 --> 01:52:23.609 deal with image and something weird stuff. That was like genius. 2769 01:52:23.789 --> 01:52:26.109 And I think that really amplified a lot of people's 2770 01:52:26.250 --> 01:52:28.390 access to the stuff because it was like, oh, yeah, sure, 2771 01:52:28.409 --> 01:52:30.170 this is on sale. Yeah, we'll buy it, you know. 2772 01:52:30.739 --> 01:52:32.289 And I know that it opened a lot of, a 2773 01:52:32.329 --> 01:52:34.890 lot of eyes to, to these movies that otherwise wouldn't 2774 01:52:34.909 --> 01:52:35.510 have accessed them. 2775 01:52:35.689 --> 01:52:38.890 It wasn't hidden anywhere. It was like prominently placed, you know. 2776 01:52:38.989 --> 01:52:42.510 End cap. Yes. I would run in. I'd be like, Ooh, yeah, exactly. 2777 01:52:43.050 --> 01:52:44.989 And they sold, I mean, they really sold. I don't, 2778 01:52:45.010 --> 01:52:48.069 I don't think people realize like the difference in sales 2779 01:52:48.130 --> 01:52:50.369 numbers between, like I said, sort of the heyday of 2780 01:52:50.409 --> 01:52:52.149 when DVDs were at their peak versus what it is now. 2781 01:52:52.170 --> 01:52:54.189 But I mean, it was nuts, like a really high 2782 01:52:54.229 --> 01:52:56.609 selling title. I mean like blood fees would sell like 2783 01:52:57.630 --> 01:52:59.729 in the first year, he'd sell like 150,000 units, you know, 2784 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:01.689 which is, For a title like that, it's pretty nuts. 2785 01:53:02.430 --> 01:53:02.689 Yeah. 2786 01:53:03.390 --> 01:53:04.529 You know, which is now, I mean, we think of 2787 01:53:04.550 --> 01:53:05.789 it as a huge title, but like, you know, if 2788 01:53:05.829 --> 01:53:07.510 you put out a 4K Blood Feast, it's not going 2789 01:53:07.529 --> 01:53:10.170 to sell near that much. Like remotely close. Like Black 2790 01:53:10.210 --> 01:53:12.489 Sunday sold like 300,000, you know, which is crazy. 2791 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:13.189 Yeah. 2792 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:15.579 But the Something Weird was like sold really well at boarders. 2793 01:53:15.619 --> 01:53:16.880 I was kind of shocked. Like it was kind of, 2794 01:53:16.920 --> 01:53:18.739 it was almost like if something, if people saw the 2795 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:20.180 Something Weird banner on it, they would just buy it 2796 01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:22.060 after a certain point. Like it didn't matter what it was. 2797 01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:24.420 But those were really just flying off the shelves because 2798 01:53:24.460 --> 01:53:26.899 Best Buy didn't really go in for it that much, 2799 01:53:27.520 --> 01:53:29.420 which is probably– and Barnes & Noble. Like, they were 2800 01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:32.340 a little more prudish about it. But Borders, yeah, they 2801 01:53:32.380 --> 01:53:34.939 were all in with it, and they stocked them pretty heavily. And, yeah, 2802 01:53:35.300 --> 01:53:38.539 it worked really, really well. And so, for those who 2803 01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:40.159 don't remember, Borders was kind of like the other Barnes 2804 01:53:40.229 --> 01:53:42.220 & Noble. They were kind of like a slightly hepper 2805 01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:43.619 version of Barnes & Noble, I guess. 2806 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:44.479 You might say. 2807 01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:45.560 But they were in, like, all the major cities. 2808 01:53:45.579 --> 01:53:46.199 Yeah, I think so. 2809 01:53:46.850 --> 01:53:47.930 Yeah, I really miss Borders. 2810 01:53:47.939 --> 01:53:48.350 Yeah. 2811 01:53:49.220 --> 01:53:50.140 I do. 2812 01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:54.020 I mean, that's where I got both copies, both Psychotronic books. 2813 01:53:54.399 --> 01:53:57.260 I got my first copy of Pink Flamingos, and it 2814 01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.970 was actually 17. It was under 17, and I was 2815 01:54:00.010 --> 01:54:01.170 afraid they were going to card me and I was 2816 01:54:01.210 --> 01:54:03.850 going to get busted when I bought it. So I 2817 01:54:04.189 --> 01:54:08.609 have all these memories tied to Borders and my discovery 2818 01:54:08.649 --> 01:54:11.250 of a lot of these films. And now that it's gone, 2819 01:54:11.310 --> 01:54:13.569 it really is like, oh, God. Wistful for something that 2820 01:54:13.590 --> 01:54:17.210 I probably shouldn't miss that much. But, you know, yeah. 2821 01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:19.319 Well, there's something in that for a bit. That's also 2822 01:54:19.340 --> 01:54:20.899 one reason why I love the, the something weird stuff 2823 01:54:20.939 --> 01:54:22.260 is because when I was on my radar and it 2824 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:24.630 was coming out again, I was way under 21, way, 2825 01:54:25.270 --> 01:54:27.890 way under. And, um, but there was a video store, um, 2826 01:54:28.189 --> 01:54:29.970 and I was going to school is in Florida, but they, 2827 01:54:30.270 --> 01:54:32.109 they were pretty heavy with the something weird types, but they, 2828 01:54:32.229 --> 01:54:33.710 they weren't in the porn section. Cause they would have 2829 01:54:33.729 --> 01:54:35.050 like the adult room, you know, where you had to 2830 01:54:35.090 --> 01:54:37.710 like have a driver's license or whatever, but it's something 2831 01:54:37.729 --> 01:54:40.970 weird stuff. It had its own like back wall area 2832 01:54:41.090 --> 01:54:43.960 because it wasn't really porn. And so even though I'm like, 2833 01:54:44.100 --> 01:54:46.569 you know, like, you know, 18, 19, whatever. I could 2834 01:54:46.590 --> 01:54:48.109 rent whatever I wanted. Like I could just grab all 2835 01:54:48.140 --> 01:54:48.310 of it. 2836 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:49.600 Um, you know, they didn't care. 2837 01:54:50.420 --> 01:54:51.920 So whatever, cause didn't classify as adult, even the stuff 2838 01:54:51.939 --> 01:54:53.739 that had technically hardcore in it, but it wasn't really 2839 01:54:53.779 --> 01:54:55.920 sold as porn. So yeah. So you feel, if we 2840 01:54:55.939 --> 01:54:57.460 feel you're getting away with something, I think it makes 2841 01:54:57.500 --> 01:54:59.460 it extra special, which I think that that thrill is 2842 01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:01.810 probably gone now. Cause you know, you're going to admit 2843 01:55:01.850 --> 01:55:03.550 no matter what your age is to see whatever you want, which, 2844 01:55:03.630 --> 01:55:07.149 you know, yay. But yeah, it's, it's not as delicious anymore. 2845 01:55:07.750 --> 01:55:07.949 Yeah. 2846 01:55:08.050 --> 01:55:10.050 No, there was a thrill about going up with like, 2847 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:14.289 a collection of cassettes and trying to make sure that 2848 01:55:14.350 --> 01:55:17.550 the naughty one is hidden in between like the normal 2849 01:55:17.710 --> 01:55:19.890 ones and so it's just a quick scan and they 2850 01:55:19.930 --> 01:55:22.109 won't notice what the naughty one is like that is 2851 01:55:22.170 --> 01:55:26.060 something that that's a generational thing i think that's probably 2852 01:55:26.109 --> 01:55:28.039 lost you know you don't need to be worrying about 2853 01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:31.600 trying to slip in some something forbidden into like normal 2854 01:55:31.659 --> 01:55:34.020 purchases yeah. 2855 01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:35.960 Or the charge when you walk into a movie gallery 2856 01:55:35.979 --> 01:55:37.989 and you see they have accidentally put the uncut Caligula 2857 01:55:38.010 --> 01:55:42.909 or Aphrodite inside the case for the R-rated one. You're like, ooh. 2858 01:55:44.109 --> 01:55:46.729 Yes. Well, that was me with Last House on the Left. 2859 01:55:46.770 --> 01:55:48.189 I would kind of be like, okay, this one's the 2860 01:55:48.229 --> 01:55:52.319 Vestron one, but which Vestron one? Let me rent this 2861 01:55:52.380 --> 01:55:54.399 and see if this is the first run or the 2862 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:55.380 second run of this. 2863 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:57.979 Well, they had the same running time, so you were screwed. 2864 01:55:58.000 --> 01:55:58.619 You couldn't tell. 2865 01:55:58.770 --> 01:55:58.899 Yeah. 2866 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:01.050 Exactly so i just like yeah i just had to 2867 01:56:01.069 --> 01:56:03.029 be like does this look like it's uncut i don't 2868 01:56:03.069 --> 01:56:05.649 know i i can hear music jump so probably not 2869 01:56:05.949 --> 01:56:07.149 right yeah. 2870 01:56:06.770 --> 01:56:10.010 Yeah well we should we should finish the border story. 2871 01:56:09.869 --> 01:56:12.800 Real quick yeah the borders yeah so this yeah so 2872 01:56:12.850 --> 01:56:14.699 this was like a special thing that came if you 2873 01:56:14.739 --> 01:56:17.619 bought a something weird dvd you got like a combo 2874 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:19.880 like a like a like a it was like a 2875 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.039 grab bag dvd of like clips and trailers and. 2876 01:56:22.020 --> 01:56:23.829 Stuff yeah Yeah. 2877 01:56:23.850 --> 01:56:25.569 So this is called extra weird. And this was Mike's idea. 2878 01:56:25.649 --> 01:56:27.369 Cause he was like, well, border has been so good 2879 01:56:27.390 --> 01:56:29.170 to us. Let's have a little extra, you know, a 2880 01:56:29.609 --> 01:56:31.729 little promotional item that we'll make. It was called extra weird. 2881 01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:34.039 And it was like a trailer sampler. And it's basically 2882 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:35.439 every single trailer. And some of these were like new 2883 01:56:35.460 --> 01:56:37.399 scans of trailers that were like, you know, old, old 2884 01:56:37.420 --> 01:56:39.199 message on the old DVDs. It was pretty much all 2885 01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:42.520 new scans, I think. And, um, which is a great idea. 2886 01:56:42.539 --> 01:56:44.460 And so the deal was if you bought something weird movie, 2887 01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:47.100 then you would get this thrown in the bag. Um, 2888 01:56:47.439 --> 01:56:49.560 sounds great in theory. The problem is that he insisted 2889 01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:52.479 instead of doing chronologically, they want to do everything alphabetically. 2890 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:54.920 And the problem with that is the first trailer that 2891 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:56.840 comes up is the adult version of Jekyll and Hyde. 2892 01:56:59.699 --> 01:57:01.680 And so some executive boarders popped it in. And that's 2893 01:57:01.699 --> 01:57:03.829 the first thing they see is that trailer. They were like, oh, 2894 01:57:03.890 --> 01:57:04.250 hell no. 2895 01:57:04.810 --> 01:57:07.050 Yeah, not great. 2896 01:57:07.550 --> 01:57:09.109 And so they yanked it off the shelves. And that 2897 01:57:09.130 --> 01:57:11.189 pretty much like that really hurt the whole something weird deal. 2898 01:57:11.210 --> 01:57:13.310 Like they really cooled off after that because this one 2899 01:57:13.329 --> 01:57:14.729 guy who got so offended by that trailer. 2900 01:57:14.810 --> 01:57:17.229 Wait, so if it was chronologically, what would have been 2901 01:57:17.300 --> 01:57:19.340 the first trailer on the tape? 2902 01:57:19.779 --> 01:57:20.920 That is a good question. 2903 01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:23.920 Probably like probably marijuana or reefer madness. 2904 01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.760 I think something like that. 2905 01:57:25.779 --> 01:57:27.420 Something in the thirties. Yeah. 2906 01:57:28.119 --> 01:57:28.939 Wow. Yeah. 2907 01:57:29.060 --> 01:57:30.560 I kind of, I wish it had been chronological. I 2908 01:57:30.579 --> 01:57:31.340 think that would have been better. 2909 01:57:32.300 --> 01:57:33.699 Assassin of youth. Maybe. 2910 01:57:33.779 --> 01:57:33.960 Yeah. 2911 01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:36.739 One of those three, probably. Cause I think those were the, 2912 01:57:37.170 --> 01:57:39.050 I think those are the oldest titles that were ever 2913 01:57:39.090 --> 01:57:41.649 came out on those releases. There were some forties ones too, 2914 01:57:41.670 --> 01:57:42.590 but those were all thirties. 2915 01:57:42.609 --> 01:57:44.630 I think that was the oldest ones. 2916 01:57:45.109 --> 01:57:47.609 Never did child bride either. Probably a good thing. 2917 01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:49.399 Yeah, he won't start that. 2918 01:57:49.619 --> 01:57:52.739 That one's tougher. That's tougher. I was surprised Kino did it, 2919 01:57:52.850 --> 01:57:55.289 to be honest. I was like, okay, we're going to 2920 01:57:55.310 --> 01:57:56.869 go with this. Okay. All right. 2921 01:57:57.409 --> 01:58:00.909 But they were able to frame it within context. And 2922 01:58:01.029 --> 01:58:05.739 I think there's a commentary by Eric. 2923 01:58:05.779 --> 01:58:06.840 It was Eric Schaefer, right? 2924 01:58:06.920 --> 01:58:07.819 Yeah. Yeah. 2925 01:58:08.500 --> 01:58:09.119 So that got us. 2926 01:58:09.779 --> 01:58:09.859 Yeah. 2927 01:58:10.239 --> 01:58:11.939 I was a little surprised that one came out even 2928 01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:16.119 so exactly okay i guess i guess if we can 2929 01:58:16.180 --> 01:58:18.140 still get so you still get copies of pretty. 2930 01:58:17.979 --> 01:58:21.149 Baby and blue lagoon i guess anybody can do anything 2931 01:58:21.789 --> 01:58:26.689 except Maladella Genza and some other things that nobody. 2932 01:58:27.090 --> 01:58:29.170 Yeah. And I think Limerale, Limerale is not going to 2933 01:58:29.189 --> 01:58:30.250 come out over here anytime soon. 2934 01:58:31.510 --> 01:58:34.350 Probably not Emmanuel Queen of Sados. That's probably not going 2935 01:58:34.390 --> 01:58:35.510 to be issued either. Yeah. 2936 01:58:35.529 --> 01:58:36.470 That can't, that sucks. 2937 01:58:37.890 --> 01:58:38.189 Too bad. 2938 01:58:38.229 --> 01:58:40.170 I love that movie, but yeah. 2939 01:58:40.189 --> 01:58:40.369 Yeah. 2940 01:58:40.390 --> 01:58:41.689 Well, at least you can get away with it. Cause 2941 01:58:41.710 --> 01:58:43.229 it has a body double, but yeah, pretty babies. 2942 01:58:44.170 --> 01:58:44.409 Yes. 2943 01:58:44.609 --> 01:58:45.689 It's out there. So yeah. 2944 01:58:46.149 --> 01:58:46.430 Yeah. 2945 01:58:46.649 --> 01:58:48.729 It's out there. It's art. It's Louis mall. So it's 2946 01:58:48.810 --> 01:58:49.550 art technically. 2947 01:58:49.829 --> 01:58:49.949 Yeah. 2948 01:58:51.180 --> 01:58:53.619 Um, so the deal, so the extra weird DVD, so 2949 01:58:53.649 --> 01:58:55.449 it started going for like stupid money. Cause people immediately, 2950 01:58:55.489 --> 01:58:57.069 as soon as the word got out, like any stores 2951 01:58:57.090 --> 01:58:58.649 still had them, there were people, you know, trying to 2952 01:58:58.689 --> 01:59:00.470 get copies. And so it's, I mean, I remember like 2953 01:59:00.510 --> 01:59:03.350 on eBay copies were going for like absolutely just ridiculous 2954 01:59:03.369 --> 01:59:05.800 amounts of money. Um, so eventually they kind of forced 2955 01:59:06.060 --> 01:59:08.199 our hand and we wound up doing it. Um, I 2956 01:59:08.220 --> 01:59:10.100 think I can't remember if I actually put a retail 2957 01:59:10.119 --> 01:59:11.800 price on it, but we reissued it without the borders 2958 01:59:11.819 --> 01:59:13.359 thing on the cover. So if you have one of 2959 01:59:13.380 --> 01:59:15.000 the borders, like a logo on the, like print on 2960 01:59:15.020 --> 01:59:16.880 the actual cover, that's actually still worth some money, I think. 2961 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:19.899 But there are versions out there that are standard ones. 2962 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:21.079 But if you have a borders one, don't ever get 2963 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:23.020 rid of it, because that's never going to increase. It'll 2964 01:59:23.060 --> 01:59:24.319 never happen again, obviously. 2965 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:27.590 It's part of the legend, yeah, at this point. 2966 01:59:28.390 --> 01:59:28.609 Right. 2967 01:59:29.090 --> 01:59:31.250 Well, the other ones that I think are legendary and 2968 01:59:31.270 --> 01:59:34.470 that go for money are the K. Gord Murray ones. 2969 01:59:34.930 --> 01:59:35.229 Yeah. 2970 01:59:35.250 --> 01:59:37.590 Which, the only one I think that came out was 2971 01:59:37.710 --> 01:59:41.060 Doctor of Doom and Robot vs. the Aztec Mummy. And 2972 01:59:41.100 --> 01:59:44.039 it was funny, because George Reese at DVD Drive and 2973 01:59:44.060 --> 01:59:47.819 my editor... he reviewed all the horror adjacent stuff of 2974 01:59:47.909 --> 01:59:50.689 something weird. He gave me the sexy stuff. So he 2975 01:59:50.710 --> 01:59:54.270 got all those copies of those, the screener copies. Right. 2976 01:59:54.289 --> 01:59:54.890 The check desks. 2977 01:59:54.909 --> 01:59:55.750 Yeah. Yes. 2978 01:59:55.789 --> 01:59:58.109 The check desks, which I still have all of my 2979 01:59:58.149 --> 02:00:00.960 check desks. So I have all the image entertainment check 2980 02:00:00.979 --> 02:00:03.539 desks with the date and everything on them. But yeah, 2981 02:00:03.560 --> 02:00:06.420 he was, I was excited about that, that, that collection. 2982 02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:09.279 And what was that? Something with the GATT act or 2983 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:13.010 something with like the copy, they weren't public domain technically anymore. 2984 02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:16.340 It wasn't the GAD Act. 2985 02:00:16.359 --> 02:00:18.939 It was, yeah, somebody else. I think... No, I think 2986 02:00:18.979 --> 02:00:19.220 it was the. 2987 02:00:20.939 --> 02:00:22.539 Somebody sent a cease and desist on those. I can't 2988 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:25.250 remember who it was. But yeah, it was like immediate. Yeah. 2989 02:00:25.970 --> 02:00:27.909 Because again, several of them in the pipeline. And I 2990 02:00:28.029 --> 02:00:29.609 think like maybe three other ones had actually gone to 2991 02:00:29.630 --> 02:00:30.970 the check disk phase. And all of a sudden it 2992 02:00:31.010 --> 02:00:32.829 was like, bam, horse land. League was like, nope, can't 2993 02:00:32.850 --> 02:00:33.829 do it. 2994 02:00:33.869 --> 02:00:36.470 The artwork on those was gorgeous. And it came with like... 2995 02:00:36.340 --> 02:00:38.359 There was a booklet too because I have my Doctor 2996 02:00:38.380 --> 02:00:40.520 of Doom. I was just like, these are going to 2997 02:00:40.539 --> 02:00:41.100 be great. 2998 02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:41.619 And then. 2999 02:00:42.590 --> 02:00:45.619 We had to wait for Casanegra to release them and 3000 02:00:45.640 --> 02:00:48.439 then go out of business. And then hopefully those will 3001 02:00:48.460 --> 02:00:49.500 be reissued at some point. 3002 02:00:50.260 --> 02:00:50.359 Yeah. 3003 02:00:50.380 --> 02:00:51.899 I mean, they got indicator did a few, but there's 3004 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:53.159 still a lot that haven't been done yet. 3005 02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:54.159 So yeah. 3006 02:00:54.180 --> 02:00:56.640 I don't know. BCI did a few and then they 3007 02:00:56.659 --> 02:00:57.399 went out of business. 3008 02:00:57.819 --> 02:00:58.189 Yeah. 3009 02:00:58.350 --> 02:01:00.890 There's a lot of Mexican horror. Horror is not really 3010 02:01:00.930 --> 02:01:01.710 well represented. 3011 02:01:03.210 --> 02:01:05.789 Yeah. Indicator did. 3012 02:01:05.829 --> 02:01:05.970 Yeah. 3013 02:01:06.010 --> 02:01:07.609 Like Panther woman, stuff like that. 3014 02:01:07.630 --> 02:01:11.090 Well, I mean like, well, something we're doing like curse 3015 02:01:11.109 --> 02:01:16.590 of the doll people. which is Mirror, and that kind 3016 02:01:16.630 --> 02:01:19.170 of stuff. All the K. Gordon Murray imports, basically. I 3017 02:01:19.489 --> 02:01:22.130 think Spiritism. All the stuff Beverly Wilshire was putting out 3018 02:01:22.409 --> 02:01:25.829 way back when. And those garbage that you could buy 3019 02:01:25.850 --> 02:01:26.550 at Best Buy. 3020 02:01:26.989 --> 02:01:28.529 Yeah. 3021 02:01:29.869 --> 02:01:32.010 Those terrible things. Well, that's why it was exciting, because 3022 02:01:32.029 --> 02:01:36.829 something there was going to basically revamp these. Obviously, they 3023 02:01:36.850 --> 02:01:38.569 were going to be huge sellers, because there's a big 3024 02:01:38.630 --> 02:01:41.289 cult over those. Um, so I remember when that happened, 3025 02:01:41.310 --> 02:01:43.310 it was like, Oh God, come on. I don't want, 3026 02:01:43.329 --> 02:01:46.430 I don't want legal problems for my, for my, my buddies. 3027 02:01:46.489 --> 02:01:49.479 It's something weird. Yeah. I think that was the big 3028 02:01:49.560 --> 02:01:51.560 one that I was like, I was very nervous about 3029 02:01:51.579 --> 02:01:54.579 what was going to go on moving forward with the company. 3030 02:01:54.619 --> 02:01:56.100 Just cause I was like, this could bankrupt them. I 3031 02:01:56.140 --> 02:01:58.159 hope it doesn't go that way. And it didn't, but 3032 02:01:58.199 --> 02:01:59.439 I was very nervous about it. 3033 02:02:00.659 --> 02:02:02.020 Yeah, thank God there was never a lawsuit. I mean, 3034 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:03.500 there was nothing financial. It was just like, you can't 3035 02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:06.000 do them. Because when you get the season's disc, you 3036 02:02:06.020 --> 02:02:08.020 just don't put it out. That's all that happens. There's 3037 02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:09.560 no financial damage. So I don't want you wasted on 3038 02:02:09.619 --> 02:02:10.359 making the discs. 3039 02:02:11.220 --> 02:02:12.180 Right, right, right. 3040 02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:14.479 Meanwhile, I'm still sitting here waiting for an Isabel Sarli 3041 02:02:14.500 --> 02:02:16.390 box set that's probably never going to happen. 3042 02:02:16.739 --> 02:02:19.319 I have been begging Manda Macabre for one for literally 3043 02:02:19.359 --> 02:02:22.729 decades at this point. I'm like, guys, you also are 3044 02:02:22.750 --> 02:02:27.869 the only people to interview her. You have a full 3045 02:02:27.909 --> 02:02:31.250 interview with her that you cut up for your TV show. Yeah, 3046 02:02:31.529 --> 02:02:35.319 I don't know. I think there's a market potentially for it. 3047 02:02:36.020 --> 02:02:37.079 I think if you market it right, I mean, if 3048 02:02:37.119 --> 02:02:39.699 you say it's like, this is like pre-John Waters, because 3049 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:41.119 they have that feel for it. If you're into just 3050 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:44.119 super high melodrama, sexploitation, I mean, they're so fun. 3051 02:02:44.140 --> 02:02:45.699 They're so great. 3052 02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:52.069 Fuego is nuts. Cindy Sherman programmed a series at MoMA 3053 02:02:52.210 --> 02:02:55.510 one year, and she programmed Fuego, and they showed it 3054 02:02:55.529 --> 02:02:57.479 on 35mm, and I went with a teacher of mine 3055 02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.489 who was from Columbia, And we both loved it. It 3056 02:03:00.510 --> 02:03:02.829 was high camp. There were so many walkouts in that 3057 02:03:02.869 --> 02:03:05.149 movie because people showed up. And there was a Cindy 3058 02:03:05.189 --> 02:03:07.000 Sherman thing. They're like, oh, this is going to be art. 3059 02:03:07.119 --> 02:03:10.819 And it's Isabel Sarli being an infomaniac running around in snow, 3060 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:13.600 naked under a fur coat. And I'm just like, this 3061 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:17.060 is art. And you'll never see this on the big 3062 02:03:17.079 --> 02:03:20.180 screen again on a print. Like, this is crazy. Yeah, 3063 02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:24.239 that was a great experience. Yeah, yeah. See Fuego, if 3064 02:03:24.260 --> 02:03:26.279 you have not already, Gentry. Fuego is. 3065 02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:30.409 They've got a few up on cultpics.com. I remember seeing... 3066 02:03:30.210 --> 02:03:31.069 I think they've got Fuego. 3067 02:03:31.090 --> 02:03:32.369 I think they're on to something weird. 3068 02:03:32.550 --> 02:03:34.810 It's also in the VHS masters. Yeah. 3069 02:03:34.930 --> 02:03:38.229 Yeah. So they put out Heat, Naked Temptation, which is incomplete. 3070 02:03:38.789 --> 02:03:44.579 And then Female 70x7, which has American inserts on that. 3071 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:47.479 But there's so many more. I mean, she did one 3072 02:03:47.520 --> 02:03:50.439 movie after another for her husband, Armando Bo. So there 3073 02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:52.760 are so many you could put out. what's the one 3074 02:03:52.779 --> 02:03:55.359 where she tries wants to fuck a horse carne. 3075 02:03:55.640 --> 02:03:58.560 Or fiebre thanks for every i think. 3076 02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.779 I for yeah i forget basically a lot of them 3077 02:04:01.819 --> 02:04:04.189 are her being an infomaniac so they're kind of interchangeable 3078 02:04:04.989 --> 02:04:07.689 but there's so much fun and i've been begging for 3079 02:04:07.710 --> 02:04:09.289 them on the macabre box set. 3080 02:04:09.489 --> 02:04:12.050 Yeah they would be a good home for that yeah 3081 02:04:12.090 --> 02:04:14.970 for sure yeah yeah maybe maybe seven two. 3082 02:04:15.270 --> 02:04:16.770 I was about to say, yeah, come on, Severin, where's 3083 02:04:16.810 --> 02:04:17.489 our box set of those? 3084 02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:19.560 Yeah, they love the boxes. 3085 02:04:19.640 --> 02:04:22.640 Yeah, I think so. And they could do a pin. 3086 02:04:22.659 --> 02:04:25.720 I know they like doing the pins of Severin ladies. 3087 02:04:25.779 --> 02:04:28.500 She could be a Severin lady. I would want an 3088 02:04:28.579 --> 02:04:29.479 Isabelle Sarli pin. 3089 02:04:30.090 --> 02:04:30.960 Yeah, I like her a lot. 3090 02:04:30.970 --> 02:04:31.670 I want an action figure. 3091 02:04:32.510 --> 02:04:34.829 Oh, my God. Can you imagine with the fur coat? 3092 02:04:35.409 --> 02:04:37.529 Yeah, you pull a string on the back and she 3093 02:04:37.550 --> 02:04:38.649 starts heaving heavily. 3094 02:04:38.670 --> 02:04:43.140 That would be amazing. Yes, I think that's a good idea. Yes, 3095 02:04:43.180 --> 02:04:45.350 let's do that. See, that would be something that I 3096 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:50.310 could see old Scream Factory doing. You know, they love 3097 02:04:50.329 --> 02:04:54.649 their action figures, or they're used to anyway. But yeah, no, 3098 02:04:54.710 --> 02:04:57.260 these are ideas we could be bringing to these companies. 3099 02:04:57.579 --> 02:04:59.119 They wanted to do more sexploitation. 3100 02:04:59.140 --> 02:05:03.420 They write themselves, right? They do, yes. 3101 02:05:04.500 --> 02:05:09.470 She is very John Waters-coded. She's very, yes, she's very over-the-top. 3102 02:05:09.550 --> 02:05:13.680 She's very Russ Meyer-coded. Yeah, like she is so Erica 3103 02:05:14.300 --> 02:05:18.569 Gavin in Vixen, except not a racist. She's so over 3104 02:05:18.609 --> 02:05:21.770 the top. She's great. Yeah, that's a good one. 3105 02:05:21.789 --> 02:05:22.630 That's a good one. 3106 02:05:23.109 --> 02:05:24.829 Yeah, her movie is more comfortable to sit through than 3107 02:05:24.869 --> 02:05:25.489 Vixen these days. 3108 02:05:26.869 --> 02:05:29.109 Way more comfortable, yes. Fuego is great because you're rooting 3109 02:05:29.130 --> 02:05:32.489 for her the whole time, and she's so captivating. Yeah, 3110 02:05:33.510 --> 02:05:36.289 that's such a good one. I'm glad that that came 3111 02:05:36.310 --> 02:05:38.470 out through Image. That was one of my favorite double 3112 02:05:38.489 --> 02:05:39.649 features was that release. 3113 02:05:40.329 --> 02:05:42.210 Oh, I was giddy when that came out. I was 3114 02:05:42.350 --> 02:05:43.770 so happy when I saw it on the list. I 3115 02:05:43.810 --> 02:05:44.890 was like, oh, here we go. 3116 02:05:45.489 --> 02:05:50.250 What was the second film on that? The Female. The Female, okay. 3117 02:05:50.250 --> 02:05:52.470 70 times 7. And then there were extras. I think 3118 02:05:52.510 --> 02:05:56.390 there were inserts or something. There was extra footage as 3119 02:05:56.430 --> 02:05:58.270 a bonus on that. And I think it was from 3120 02:05:58.310 --> 02:06:02.060 the American Negative. I don't remember now. Yeah, so much 3121 02:06:02.100 --> 02:06:04.579 good stuff. Well, that's something we talk about a lot 3122 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:07.199 on this. Or I talk about because I won't shut 3123 02:06:07.239 --> 02:06:09.520 up about it. is that we were really spoiled with 3124 02:06:09.539 --> 02:06:12.619 this deal because we were getting like two to three 3125 02:06:12.659 --> 02:06:13.510 releases a month. 3126 02:06:14.020 --> 02:06:14.189 Yeah. 3127 02:06:14.350 --> 02:06:16.010 Like it was a huge output deal. 3128 02:06:16.170 --> 02:06:18.890 And so now, but now we can kind of understand why, 3129 02:06:18.970 --> 02:06:22.989 because we heard Nate talk about like the production line 3130 02:06:23.149 --> 02:06:25.489 that you guys had down there at image. Like it wasn't, 3131 02:06:25.829 --> 02:06:28.109 it sounds like it was a pretty well-oiled operation. 3132 02:06:28.590 --> 02:06:28.750 Yeah. 3133 02:06:28.970 --> 02:06:30.829 And again, again, I, I liked, again, I keep calling 3134 02:06:30.930 --> 02:06:32.680 it the wild West year, which is what it really 3135 02:06:32.689 --> 02:06:34.279 was like, because there were no rules. There wasn't like 3136 02:06:34.300 --> 02:06:37.149 protocols that you followed. So it's like, you know, our, our, 3137 02:06:37.369 --> 02:06:39.350 our artists just kind of pretty much the ones who 3138 02:06:39.369 --> 02:06:40.590 like working on these, they print out free range, whatever 3139 02:06:40.609 --> 02:06:42.159 they want, as long as Mike was okay with it. 3140 02:06:42.350 --> 02:06:43.329 I mean, he would just laugh at some of the 3141 02:06:43.350 --> 02:06:44.569 stuff we came up with. Cause like I would sit 3142 02:06:44.590 --> 02:06:46.109 down and be like, Oh, we're doing the black cat, 3143 02:06:46.140 --> 02:06:47.420 the fat black pussy cat. Let's just go nuts with 3144 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:47.800 the cover. 3145 02:06:48.180 --> 02:06:50.199 So you can have the. 3146 02:06:50.380 --> 02:06:54.239 Big, I love that cover so much. And the hitchhike 3147 02:06:54.260 --> 02:06:55.800 to hell DVD cover. I love that one. The way 3148 02:06:55.819 --> 02:06:59.659 they merge those together, kidnap coed. I love that cover. Um, 3149 02:06:59.970 --> 02:07:01.470 but yeah, we just had a blast putting all the 3150 02:07:01.510 --> 02:07:03.350 artwork together and the marketing material could put together one 3151 02:07:03.390 --> 02:07:04.649 sheets that we, you know, that we used to sell 3152 02:07:04.670 --> 02:07:07.689 the titles and all that. That's the thing. Again, my 3153 02:07:07.710 --> 02:07:09.289 title is brand manager, but it was kind of like 3154 02:07:09.329 --> 02:07:11.149 I was the guy who babysat the movie from the 3155 02:07:11.189 --> 02:07:13.699 minute that the contract came in to when it got released. 3156 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:15.079 It was kind of like I was the guy who 3157 02:07:15.100 --> 02:07:17.859 sort of shepherded it through all the way through promoting 3158 02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:20.479 it and getting it out there. It was just kind 3159 02:07:20.539 --> 02:07:22.659 of a real joy to watch the evolution of each 3160 02:07:22.699 --> 02:07:25.020 title kind of trickle through the pipeline and working with everybody, 3161 02:07:25.039 --> 02:07:27.329 making sure that it got treated correctly. I mean, and 3162 02:07:27.350 --> 02:07:29.649 we did some really nutty ideas for the covers. Cause like, 3163 02:07:29.670 --> 02:07:31.010 it's just a joke to Mike, you know, we got 3164 02:07:31.050 --> 02:07:32.340 God monster, but in class and I was like, Oh, 3165 02:07:32.350 --> 02:07:33.609 let's do a wanted poster and see if you've seen 3166 02:07:33.630 --> 02:07:34.920 the sheep, put a picture of the sheep on it. 3167 02:07:35.210 --> 02:07:37.869 He was like, okay. I was like, all right, I 3168 02:07:37.890 --> 02:07:38.520 guess we'll do that. 3169 02:07:38.720 --> 02:07:44.000 Like that to the Agfa cover. It's like night and day. 3170 02:07:47.039 --> 02:07:49.359 I still kept my something weird one. Cause it has 3171 02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:53.779 that extra feature on it, which is not available. Isn't girl. 3172 02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:55.949 Is it passion in the sun? Girl and the Geek, 3173 02:07:56.069 --> 02:07:57.329 I think, is the extra feature on that. 3174 02:07:57.350 --> 02:07:58.010 I think so, yeah. 3175 02:07:58.130 --> 02:08:01.909 I think it is, which is that's a masterpiece that's 3176 02:08:02.020 --> 02:08:03.520 insane but yeah. 3177 02:08:04.060 --> 02:08:06.199 Yeah there's so many of those titles though that were 3178 02:08:06.239 --> 02:08:08.220 like chopped up as extras that i wish would come 3179 02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:09.479 out fully well it's kind of like in the one 3180 02:08:09.500 --> 02:08:10.920 we just got i really had you know driving miss 3181 02:08:10.939 --> 02:08:12.800 daisy crazy i'm like well that's nice but can we 3182 02:08:12.819 --> 02:08:13.979 get after the ball's over. 3183 02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:16.539 Now the ball was over exactly well and that's one 3184 02:08:16.579 --> 02:08:18.890 i'm trying to i was trying to like Because that 3185 02:08:18.930 --> 02:08:21.229 was something when we were doing the extras for Degenerate 3186 02:08:21.250 --> 02:08:22.930 and Pleasures, I was like, well, this could be an 3187 02:08:22.949 --> 02:08:26.109 opportunity for me to try to find Susan Landau. Or 3188 02:08:26.729 --> 02:08:28.489 I can try to beg them to put out After 3189 02:08:28.510 --> 02:08:30.489 the Ball Was Over and they have talent releases. I 3190 02:08:30.510 --> 02:08:32.869 could try to actually find her and be like, let 3191 02:08:32.909 --> 02:08:35.789 me find Miss Daisy or, you know, this After the 3192 02:08:35.810 --> 02:08:39.170 Ball Was Over star. Yeah, I like that one. I 3193 02:08:39.649 --> 02:08:40.189 like that one. 3194 02:08:40.850 --> 02:08:41.270 It's fun. 3195 02:08:41.609 --> 02:08:45.390 You know, Alex doesn't like it. Alex describes it as 3196 02:08:45.430 --> 02:08:47.529 bottom feeder. I'm like, it's not that bad. It's not 3197 02:08:47.609 --> 02:08:50.930 a Leonard Kirkman movie. It's, you know, it's not that bad. Yeah. 3198 02:08:51.109 --> 02:08:52.909 Now that it's come out, like in that sort of 3199 02:08:52.970 --> 02:08:56.850 truncated version though, I wonder if it ever will through 3200 02:08:56.989 --> 02:08:59.949 district picks or anything, because it's like, well, they already just, 3201 02:08:59.989 --> 02:09:02.649 they just released a piece of it. It's like, eh, 3202 02:09:02.659 --> 02:09:05.800 we'll probably never, it's probably not high on their priority list. 3203 02:09:06.380 --> 02:09:06.520 Yeah. 3204 02:09:06.659 --> 02:09:08.020 That's what I'm afraid of. But yeah, it's a shame 3205 02:09:08.039 --> 02:09:09.340 that a lot of those ones that got diced up, 3206 02:09:09.399 --> 02:09:11.020 I'm just, I, it kind of, it's kind of heartbreaking 3207 02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:12.539 that it might never get the full versions of those. 3208 02:09:12.560 --> 02:09:13.520 Cause right. 3209 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:15.119 There are a few that are real gems. 3210 02:09:15.779 --> 02:09:18.060 Sex Witches of the Occult is another one. And I 3211 02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:20.439 just re-watched that and I was like, oh, there's substantial 3212 02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:23.060 hardcore in this. So they could never have released this 3213 02:09:23.149 --> 02:09:27.329 on Image, including the gay scene on the bench. It's like, okay, 3214 02:09:27.350 --> 02:09:32.310 this is actual hardcore. Can't put this out. But I 3215 02:09:32.350 --> 02:09:34.250 think they have the negative to that. That's something I 3216 02:09:34.289 --> 02:09:36.390 can see Distropix putting out, but you have to put 3217 02:09:36.430 --> 02:09:41.609 it with something. You couldn't put it on its own. But, yeah, so, 3218 02:09:41.890 --> 02:09:42.329 I mean, the. 3219 02:09:43.659 --> 02:09:43.859 the. 3220 02:09:43.819 --> 02:09:46.399 Process of putting it all out and the creative aspects 3221 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:48.729 and everything. But the fact that there is this deadline 3222 02:09:48.770 --> 02:09:50.689 and it's an output deal where you're putting out a 3223 02:09:50.750 --> 02:09:54.289 number of releases a month. I mean, I think it's very, 3224 02:09:54.390 --> 02:09:57.550 I think it spoiled us as exploitation fans. Cause it 3225 02:09:57.569 --> 02:10:00.699 was like, okay, we're going to be getting really nice 3226 02:10:00.739 --> 02:10:04.859 special editions with like trailers and the gallery and bonus features. 3227 02:10:04.899 --> 02:10:08.300 And for me, it was like discovering, it was like getting, 3228 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:11.699 a gift of brand new movies that I didn't know 3229 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:13.829 existed every month. And I knew they were going to 3230 02:10:13.869 --> 02:10:15.270 like blow my mind nine. 3231 02:10:15.109 --> 02:10:15.829 Out of 10 times. 3232 02:10:16.449 --> 02:10:20.810 And so now I feel like that isn't there. I 3233 02:10:20.829 --> 02:10:23.329 feel like Blu-ray also changed that because Blu-ray is more 3234 02:10:23.369 --> 02:10:27.880 expensive to replicate and license and everything. But there's so much, there, 3235 02:10:28.180 --> 02:10:30.000 there's so much stuff that's in the vaults at a 3236 02:10:30.060 --> 02:10:32.340 lot of these companies. I'm like, you could be doing 3237 02:10:32.380 --> 02:10:34.020 two to three a month if you were just cranking 3238 02:10:34.039 --> 02:10:34.359 them out. 3239 02:10:35.380 --> 02:10:36.060 It's just tough. 3240 02:10:36.420 --> 02:10:39.310 It's the, yeah, the, the business is not what it 3241 02:10:39.369 --> 02:10:41.010 used to be. And I know you know that because 3242 02:10:41.270 --> 02:10:45.029 it's just, yeah, it's not like it was when you 3243 02:10:45.050 --> 02:10:49.619 were involved, heavily involved with these, which is like, yeah, 3244 02:10:49.640 --> 02:10:51.859 I don't know. It makes me sound like old man 3245 02:10:51.880 --> 02:10:53.579 yells at cloud anytime I bring it up. And I'm 3246 02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:55.100 just like, well, no, I mean, this is how I 3247 02:10:55.140 --> 02:10:59.279 became the passionate weirdo that I am is because I 3248 02:10:59.319 --> 02:11:01.739 was getting these every month. Like I was getting, I was, 3249 02:11:01.890 --> 02:11:05.130 I was having education on a consistent basis, you know? 3250 02:11:05.729 --> 02:11:08.270 And so, we're only getting like two or three a 3251 02:11:08.319 --> 02:11:13.029 year now from, from most companies, uh, combined, you know, like, 3252 02:11:13.329 --> 02:11:15.489 I think we get max, you know, five or six 3253 02:11:15.529 --> 02:11:19.710 a year from everybody combined of these types of titles. Um, well, 3254 02:11:19.729 --> 02:11:21.789 that's the element. 3255 02:11:21.090 --> 02:11:23.289 Of surprise is something that's been lost because I get 3256 02:11:23.350 --> 02:11:25.130 really excited when something comes out. Like when we're going 3257 02:11:25.149 --> 02:11:27.359 to show them, did the last picture show set. Um, 3258 02:11:27.369 --> 02:11:28.649 so I remember like when they first came to me 3259 02:11:28.670 --> 02:11:30.250 and they were like, we're doing this and we're like, 3260 02:11:30.270 --> 02:11:32.109 we're considering these 20 titles and we're going to pare 3261 02:11:32.130 --> 02:11:33.810 it down to 10 or whatever. And I didn't even 3262 02:11:33.829 --> 02:11:34.869 know which 10 they were going to be because I 3263 02:11:34.890 --> 02:11:36.630 didn't decide until late in the game. But I was like, oh, 3264 02:11:36.630 --> 02:11:39.569 this is amazing. Because, like, obviously no one's ever seen these, 3265 02:11:39.630 --> 02:11:43.199 you know. Or like when Severin did the Clasificat S, 3266 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:46.119 the Spanish S set, you know. Because, again, most of 3267 02:11:46.140 --> 02:11:48.880 those movies nobody had seen. So I love stuff like 3268 02:11:48.899 --> 02:11:50.399 that where you're just like, this is a totally unknown 3269 02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:51.979 quantity to me. Like, I don't know what I'm going 3270 02:11:52.010 --> 02:11:53.590 to be getting into when I open this box up. 3271 02:11:53.630 --> 02:11:54.689 So I think that was something you had with the 3272 02:11:54.710 --> 02:11:57.020 Something Weird titles. Because even if you knew one movie 3273 02:11:57.039 --> 02:11:58.920 on there, chances were, if it was a triple feature, 3274 02:11:59.010 --> 02:12:00.819 you're like, I don't know what I'm going to be 3275 02:12:00.850 --> 02:12:02.090 like by the time I'm done with this thing, because 3276 02:12:02.189 --> 02:12:02.600 who knows? 3277 02:12:02.689 --> 02:12:03.619 Right. 3278 02:12:04.270 --> 02:12:04.560 Yes. 3279 02:12:04.739 --> 02:12:08.850 If you're watching something like Vibrations, Fluctuation, and Submission, who 3280 02:12:08.869 --> 02:12:11.430 knows how you end up with an ultimate degenerate in 3281 02:12:11.470 --> 02:12:13.550 hot blood and lusting hours? I don't know what your 3282 02:12:13.569 --> 02:12:17.770 mind is after that. Right. But that's fun, you know? 3283 02:12:18.189 --> 02:12:23.689 What was the other one? Aroused? Rent-A-Girl, Help Wanted Female. Like, incredible. Yeah, 3284 02:12:23.850 --> 02:12:25.170 I mean, but it is one of those things where 3285 02:12:25.189 --> 02:12:28.510 it's like, The goal is to, and I guess that 3286 02:12:28.529 --> 02:12:30.770 ties into your, when you discuss Mike's mindset of like, 3287 02:12:30.829 --> 02:12:33.579 how much can we pack onto this and make it 3288 02:12:33.600 --> 02:12:37.960 a quality product? And it's not that. I don't think 3289 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:39.880 it's speaking too much out of turn, but like, for example, 3290 02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:43.180 the Mitchell Brothers stuff is all with vinegar syndrome. They 3291 02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:46.729 have so many shorts that the Mitchell Brothers shot and 3292 02:12:47.210 --> 02:12:50.630 short featurettes that were shot. All those could be packed 3293 02:12:50.710 --> 02:12:53.210 onto there and the bit rate wouldn't go down, but 3294 02:12:53.229 --> 02:12:55.069 they're not doing that. And so it just feels kind 3295 02:12:55.109 --> 02:12:57.770 of like I wish there was that Mike Brainy mindset 3296 02:12:57.789 --> 02:12:59.810 of like, how can we package, how can we make 3297 02:12:59.829 --> 02:13:02.689 this package as jam-packed as possible without it affecting the 3298 02:13:02.729 --> 02:13:05.270 visual quality? I think it can be done. I just 3299 02:13:05.300 --> 02:13:09.159 think it's a question of wanting to do it. We 3300 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:13.619 have a different kind of mindset, I think. And yeah, 3301 02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:15.159 like you said, I think it is the Wild West 3302 02:13:16.020 --> 02:13:18.010 scenario where it's like, we can do whatever we want. 3303 02:13:18.090 --> 02:13:20.850 Let's just do, let's just experiment and have fun with 3304 02:13:20.890 --> 02:13:22.819 as much stuff as we can. but then that's kind 3305 02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:24.619 of lost. I think you, people should be still be 3306 02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:26.300 taking those risks and having fun like that. 3307 02:13:27.720 --> 02:13:27.859 Yeah. 3308 02:13:27.880 --> 02:13:29.119 I mean, at least people still care. I mean, you've 3309 02:13:29.140 --> 02:13:30.619 got people in the business who care about these movies, 3310 02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:32.060 you know, which I think that's really the main thing. 3311 02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:34.409 You know, you've got labels like severing the vinegar syndrome 3312 02:13:34.430 --> 02:13:36.569 and all that. And as long as there's like that 3313 02:13:36.609 --> 02:13:38.090 drive that people out there want to put these out, 3314 02:13:38.189 --> 02:13:39.789 I think that's, what's really important. And as long as, 3315 02:13:40.010 --> 02:13:41.829 you know, younger audiences are still finding them out. Cause 3316 02:13:41.850 --> 02:13:44.180 like when someone's like, Oh, I just discovered these. I'm like, great. 3317 02:13:44.189 --> 02:13:46.159 You have an amazing journey ahead of you. Like, don't 3318 02:13:46.180 --> 02:13:48.060 feel like a neophyte, like just go at your own 3319 02:13:48.100 --> 02:13:50.699 pace and just, you know, watch watch season anywhere that 3320 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:52.479 you want it doesn't matter like just dive in and 3321 02:13:52.510 --> 02:13:54.250 just wallow in the stuff because yeah you're just yeah 3322 02:13:54.270 --> 02:13:57.369 you've got great times ahead of you so yep yeah. 3323 02:13:57.270 --> 02:13:58.810 We have a few people that we talk to who 3324 02:13:58.850 --> 02:14:01.250 are like yeah we have listeners that we talk to 3325 02:14:01.289 --> 02:14:03.789 on the regular who are like in their 20s and 3326 02:14:03.810 --> 02:14:05.310 they're like okay i'm gonna watch this i'm gonna watch 3327 02:14:05.340 --> 02:14:07.579 that i'm just like oh my god to to be 3328 02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:11.159 able to watch this for the first time ever. 3329 02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:15.029 Yeah like wiping your mind and just starting these fresh 3330 02:14:15.050 --> 02:14:16.529 again it would just be incredible like. 3331 02:14:16.550 --> 02:14:19.750 Yes yes who did I just talk to oh well 3332 02:14:19.850 --> 02:14:21.390 Jeffrey who comes on the show he's like I think 3333 02:14:21.430 --> 02:14:24.550 I've only seen two Russ Meyer movies so and I 3334 02:14:24.569 --> 02:14:26.369 think he was like Cherry Hair and Raquel what do 3335 02:14:26.390 --> 02:14:27.470 you think about that and I was like well if 3336 02:14:27.489 --> 02:14:31.010 you haven't seen Faster Pussycat or Motor Psycho or Super 3337 02:14:31.050 --> 02:14:34.500 Vixens or any of that like Prioritize all of those. 3338 02:14:34.640 --> 02:14:38.380 And for directors, there are right and wrong choices in 3339 02:14:38.420 --> 02:14:41.539 that journey. But the genre in general, jump all over 3340 02:14:41.579 --> 02:14:43.199 the place. You can go to a nudie cutie. You 3341 02:14:43.220 --> 02:14:44.579 can go to a roughie. You can go to like 3342 02:14:44.619 --> 02:14:47.479 a 70s thing. Yeah, just jump all over. And that's 3343 02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:50.260 kind of what the image thing was. It was like, 3344 02:14:50.300 --> 02:14:51.479 you didn't know what you were going to get. You 3345 02:14:51.500 --> 02:14:54.050 were getting Wonderful Land of Oz and Jack and the Beanstalk. 3346 02:14:54.550 --> 02:14:59.289 You know, the Starman movies. You know? Or, yeah, there 3347 02:14:59.329 --> 02:15:00.890 was some other kiddie one that I was just like, 3348 02:15:00.930 --> 02:15:05.699 this is truly... I can't believe it. Yeah, it was 3349 02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:09.590 it was. Yeah, there's just a lot of variety there. 3350 02:15:10.310 --> 02:15:12.329 And that was what made it so exciting. You just 3351 02:15:12.350 --> 02:15:13.170 never knew what you're going to get. 3352 02:15:13.189 --> 02:15:15.229 I think that's something that took a while for me 3353 02:15:15.250 --> 02:15:17.489 to sort of realize is that especially with the huge, 3354 02:15:17.590 --> 02:15:19.890 the big, really big directors like Russ Meyer and Bradley Massacre, 3355 02:15:19.909 --> 02:15:22.409 like they're actually like at least a couple of generations 3356 02:15:22.449 --> 02:15:25.729 who haven't seen those movies because they are not easily accessible, 3357 02:15:25.770 --> 02:15:27.479 you know. So yeah, so being in like early 20s 3358 02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:29.260 and being able to start with Russ Meyer, like that just, 3359 02:15:29.340 --> 02:15:31.340 that amazed me. I mean, because I found those in 3360 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:33.300 the 80s on tape and that just like ripped my 3361 02:15:33.340 --> 02:15:35.600 skull open, you know, watching those. So yeah, just sitting 3362 02:15:35.619 --> 02:15:38.149 down and watching Faster Pussycat or like Super Vixens or 3363 02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:40.670 something like that with no warning. Like I can't even 3364 02:15:40.710 --> 02:15:43.069 imagine that. And I can't, I hope probably the Radley 3365 02:15:43.090 --> 02:15:44.850 stuff will like come back out again. I want that 3366 02:15:44.869 --> 02:15:46.449 whole catalog back. I've just been sort of floating around. 3367 02:15:46.470 --> 02:15:47.989 So hopefully they'll sort that out because he was another 3368 02:15:48.029 --> 02:15:51.449 one that just like, like seeing LaCroix and Camille, like, 3369 02:15:51.569 --> 02:15:53.029 you know, within like a week of each other, I 3370 02:15:53.050 --> 02:15:55.210 was just like, what, what is this? Like, how can 3371 02:15:55.229 --> 02:15:56.060 this exist? You know? 3372 02:15:57.350 --> 02:15:59.840 Well, do you deal with– well, because first run was 3373 02:15:59.899 --> 02:16:02.180 Image as well, right? So there was a deal where 3374 02:16:02.199 --> 02:16:04.720 they put out the Libertine, which is absolutely amazing. 3375 02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:05.680 Yeah. 3376 02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:08.560 Yeah, that was– and then that came out through Nucleus. 3377 02:16:08.619 --> 02:16:11.979 It hasn't come out here yet. But yeah, like the 3378 02:16:12.010 --> 02:16:15.109 first run stuff, that kept a lot of those Metzgers 3379 02:16:15.270 --> 02:16:17.449 available for a while in the digital era. 3380 02:16:17.510 --> 02:16:17.789 Yeah. Yeah. 3381 02:16:19.880 --> 02:16:21.220 Um, and I luckily I got to hang with Bradley 3382 02:16:21.260 --> 02:16:23.430 a lot. Um, cause we were, cause, um, you know, 3383 02:16:23.439 --> 02:16:24.489 cause I knew him stuff really well. And so I 3384 02:16:24.489 --> 02:16:25.829 would do Q and A's with him and, um, there 3385 02:16:25.850 --> 02:16:27.010 was talk of me doing a book about him at 3386 02:16:27.029 --> 02:16:29.970 some point. Um, which sadly, um, hasn't happened. I wish 3387 02:16:30.010 --> 02:16:32.270 I'd sort of like maybe hit the gas a little 3388 02:16:32.290 --> 02:16:35.549 bit harder before he died. Um, cause, um, you know, 3389 02:16:35.569 --> 02:16:37.049 but the problem isn't that they started doing the commentaries 3390 02:16:37.069 --> 02:16:38.090 for his movies and I was like, well, that just 3391 02:16:38.110 --> 02:16:41.159 kind of like covered everything I wanted to do. So, um, 3392 02:16:41.459 --> 02:16:43.020 I have to find a new angle on that. But, um, 3393 02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:44.879 but yeah, Bradley was amazing. Just like getting to hang 3394 02:16:44.899 --> 02:16:47.100 with him. I mean, what a guy he was, just 3395 02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:48.379 the stories were phenomenal. 3396 02:16:49.719 --> 02:16:52.260 Yeah, well, the one I want is Therese and Isabel. 3397 02:16:52.340 --> 02:16:54.549 That's my absolute favorite. 3398 02:16:54.989 --> 02:16:58.030 I love that movie. Because I saw that at Lincoln Center, 3399 02:16:58.129 --> 02:17:00.190 and that was one where, like, it was great seeing 3400 02:17:00.209 --> 02:17:02.030 it on the big screen, but actually the audience was 3401 02:17:02.090 --> 02:17:03.069 so receptive to it. 3402 02:17:03.670 --> 02:17:03.989 Oh, good. 3403 02:17:04.090 --> 02:17:04.930 Yeah. 3404 02:17:05.500 --> 02:17:08.100 But then, apparently, it showed at the New Beverly a 3405 02:17:08.280 --> 02:17:11.459 couple months ago, and during the Arrow schedule, and people 3406 02:17:11.500 --> 02:17:14.719 were apparently being really restless about it. And I was 3407 02:17:14.760 --> 02:17:17.159 just like, well... When they paired it with Liquorice Quartet, 3408 02:17:17.180 --> 02:17:19.799 which those are my two favorites of his, but I 3409 02:17:19.819 --> 02:17:21.729 can imagine if you're watching them back to back, it's 3410 02:17:21.760 --> 02:17:25.190 probably a lot. Like I saw those, I saw those theatrically, 3411 02:17:25.250 --> 02:17:29.969 but individually, like separately. That was quite a double feature. 3412 02:17:31.049 --> 02:17:33.969 His stuff is tough to double feature, I think. Yeah. 3413 02:17:34.530 --> 02:17:34.770 Yeah. 3414 02:17:35.129 --> 02:17:35.969 There's a lot to take in. 3415 02:17:36.409 --> 02:17:37.750 It depends on the crowd. 3416 02:17:38.149 --> 02:17:38.430 Yeah. 3417 02:17:38.469 --> 02:17:39.950 I mean, I've seen a lot of his stuff theatrically 3418 02:17:39.989 --> 02:17:42.059 multiple times and yeah, it is interesting. The crowd, I 3419 02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:44.170 can see how Trish Isabel could like really misfire with 3420 02:17:44.170 --> 02:17:45.579 the wrong group at the wrong time. 3421 02:17:45.579 --> 02:17:45.790 Yeah. 3422 02:17:45.790 --> 02:17:46.590 Um, that makes sense. 3423 02:17:46.709 --> 02:17:46.969 I suppose. 3424 02:17:46.989 --> 02:17:49.129 I mean, like, like score always kills with the crowd. 3425 02:17:49.209 --> 02:17:53.309 Like you said, it never fails. I mean, it always, 3426 02:17:53.370 --> 02:17:55.309 I mean, it just brings the house down, like, like 3427 02:17:56.049 --> 02:17:58.319 start to finish. Um, Camille works really well. 3428 02:17:58.399 --> 02:17:58.719 Yeah. 3429 02:17:59.139 --> 02:18:01.190 You know, we'll see. But yeah, I really hope they, 3430 02:18:01.719 --> 02:18:03.500 now they're starting restoring them. I know Tristan Isabel has been, 3431 02:18:03.780 --> 02:18:05.520 done a beautiful restoration on that. So hopefully they'll get 3432 02:18:05.540 --> 02:18:07.360 them back out there and people can start, you know, 3433 02:18:07.379 --> 02:18:08.000 seeing more widely. 3434 02:18:08.020 --> 02:18:08.639 I hope so. 3435 02:18:09.329 --> 02:18:10.149 Yeah. Score. 3436 02:18:10.170 --> 02:18:10.610 I know. 3437 02:18:10.750 --> 02:18:13.469 Well, I know that basically all the hardcores are eventually 3438 02:18:13.510 --> 02:18:16.149 coming from, from Melusine. Cause I think they still have 3439 02:18:16.209 --> 02:18:18.469 all of those, but I think score is going to be, 3440 02:18:18.510 --> 02:18:20.069 they haven't put it out before, but I think they 3441 02:18:20.090 --> 02:18:24.069 are going to, I think. I love that. 3442 02:18:24.250 --> 02:18:24.430 Yeah. 3443 02:18:24.469 --> 02:18:25.090 I love that one. 3444 02:18:25.190 --> 02:18:27.280 I wish Jared Douglas was still around to do a commentary. 3445 02:18:27.299 --> 02:18:30.180 Cause he was kind of the co-director of that. He 3446 02:18:30.219 --> 02:18:32.979 directed the actors and everything. Cause it was a play. 3447 02:18:34.479 --> 02:18:38.450 But yeah, that is there. there were other like sexploitation 3448 02:18:38.489 --> 02:18:40.889 things that came out through image. Were you involved with 3449 02:18:40.909 --> 02:18:43.190 those either as well? Or was it just the, the 3450 02:18:43.409 --> 02:18:45.739 image stuff? Like I'm thinking of like the, the Ted V. 3451 02:18:45.770 --> 02:18:47.559 Michaels with like girl in gold boots, which. 3452 02:18:47.579 --> 02:18:48.700 Is kind of sexploitation. 3453 02:18:49.100 --> 02:18:50.920 Oh yeah. I worked with Ted a lot. Um, actually 3454 02:18:50.940 --> 02:18:52.540 I had to teach, I had to teach Ted how 3455 02:18:52.579 --> 02:18:53.500 to do an audio commentary. 3456 02:18:54.680 --> 02:18:55.500 God. Yeah. 3457 02:18:55.559 --> 02:18:55.860 Yeah. 3458 02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.620 I bet you did. Cause I remember some of those 3459 02:18:58.680 --> 02:18:59.459 early comments. 3460 02:19:00.780 --> 02:19:00.979 Yeah. 3461 02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:02.360 Cause he turned in his first couple of ones when 3462 02:19:02.379 --> 02:19:04.729 he was just like, And now he's opening the door. 3463 02:19:04.750 --> 02:19:06.809 And now he's walking in the other room. And I 3464 02:19:06.809 --> 02:19:10.549 was like, Ted, Ted, come on. People don't want to 3465 02:19:10.590 --> 02:19:10.829 hear this. 3466 02:19:12.290 --> 02:19:12.610 No. 3467 02:19:13.069 --> 02:19:13.569 Poor guy. 3468 02:19:13.590 --> 02:19:15.850 I love Ted, though. 3469 02:19:15.909 --> 02:19:17.170 He was a nice guy. 3470 02:19:17.190 --> 02:19:18.450 He's such a sweetheart. 3471 02:19:19.129 --> 02:19:19.930 He was a nice guy. 3472 02:19:20.010 --> 02:19:21.790 I love Girl in Blue. That was the one he 3473 02:19:21.829 --> 02:19:24.290 always told me to watch. That and Black Klansman. Anytime 3474 02:19:24.309 --> 02:19:26.149 I'd have a question about a movie that he knew 3475 02:19:26.209 --> 02:19:28.479 was garbage, he'd be like, yeah, not one of my 3476 02:19:28.500 --> 02:19:30.940 better movies. Make sure you watch black Klansman and girl 3477 02:19:30.959 --> 02:19:32.879 in gold boots. I was like, I've seen them. I 3478 02:19:32.920 --> 02:19:36.579 love them. I agree. I don't have any questions about those. 3479 02:19:36.600 --> 02:19:36.680 Yeah. 3480 02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:42.360 Anything that was under the, the, um, basically any, any 3481 02:19:42.409 --> 02:19:45.549 of the cult movie stuff pretty much like went through me. Um, 3482 02:19:45.850 --> 02:19:46.530 all of those. 3483 02:19:46.549 --> 02:19:46.770 Yeah. 3484 02:19:47.110 --> 02:19:48.790 Um, any other stuff, even some of the later stuff, 3485 02:19:48.809 --> 02:19:50.989 you know, like there's nothing out there, even like the eighties, nineties, 3486 02:19:51.030 --> 02:19:53.209 whatever that I usually handled anyway, because people were like, 3487 02:19:53.670 --> 02:19:57.180 it's weird. Give it to Daniel. Um, And they tried 3488 02:19:57.219 --> 02:19:58.760 to change things up for a while because they started 3489 02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:00.540 shifting stuff around. They're like, oh, now you can handle 3490 02:20:00.559 --> 02:20:04.889 all the music concert titles. I was like, really? Why? Like, no, 3491 02:20:04.909 --> 02:20:05.200 thank you. 3492 02:20:07.309 --> 02:20:09.129 What was your timeline at Image? 3493 02:20:09.790 --> 02:20:14.229 It was around late 2000, I think is when I started. Well, 3494 02:20:14.250 --> 02:20:15.850 it's when I started DVD Planet. And so that ran 3495 02:20:15.870 --> 02:20:17.430 about a year. And so then I jumped over to Image. 3496 02:20:17.690 --> 02:20:20.590 And then it went till around, I think it was 3497 02:20:20.610 --> 02:20:21.899 late 2010, I think. 3498 02:20:22.350 --> 02:20:23.319 Okay. 3499 02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:29.889 Because this was right when we were in... Because there was... Okay, 3500 02:20:29.950 --> 02:20:32.090 so Image decided in its infinite wisdom, this is a 3501 02:20:32.110 --> 02:20:34.129 mistake other companies have done, that they wanted to be 3502 02:20:34.149 --> 02:20:35.950 a big player. They wanted to go theatrical. They wanted 3503 02:20:35.969 --> 02:20:38.590 to put out their own movies. And they spent a 3504 02:20:38.629 --> 02:20:41.770 ton of money on this movie called Management, which Jennifer 3505 02:20:41.790 --> 02:20:42.670 Aniston and Steve Zahn. 3506 02:20:43.409 --> 02:20:43.629 Oh. 3507 02:20:48.379 --> 02:20:49.760 Who is it? Management. 3508 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:51.020 Champagne. 3509 02:20:51.440 --> 02:20:51.790 Why? Why? 3510 02:20:52.540 --> 02:20:55.020 Would you like me to open it for you? Here's 3511 02:20:55.100 --> 02:20:59.450 to people being happy. You have a great butt. 3512 02:20:59.469 --> 02:21:01.010 Do you do this a lot, Mike? 3513 02:21:01.489 --> 02:21:03.489 Very rarely. Does it ever work? 3514 02:21:03.790 --> 02:21:04.110 Never. 3515 02:21:05.190 --> 02:21:06.549 I don't know why. I don't know why I thought 3516 02:21:06.569 --> 02:21:07.739 it would be a big hit. Oh, she's on Friends. 3517 02:21:07.770 --> 02:21:08.979 You were going to come see this. 3518 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:12.780 Was it Sidney Kimmel or something? I forget the producer. 3519 02:21:13.620 --> 02:21:16.340 I work with his company. We represent that for airlines 3520 02:21:16.379 --> 02:21:16.940 at our company. 3521 02:21:17.520 --> 02:21:18.969 Yeah. Yeah. Weirdly. 3522 02:21:20.680 --> 02:21:26.409 So that happened. Didn't make a dime. And then they decided, oh, well, 3523 02:21:26.510 --> 02:21:29.149 Walmart was really huge at the time because Walmart would 3524 02:21:29.170 --> 02:21:31.110 buy huge quantities and they would spend a lot of 3525 02:21:31.149 --> 02:21:34.270 money and they would dump and they would buy stuff 3526 02:21:34.290 --> 02:21:36.090 for their $ 5 bin, which was like, if you got 3527 02:21:36.110 --> 02:21:39.909 a $ 5 bin, you were, you know, you're great. But 3528 02:21:39.930 --> 02:21:41.510 they didn't take into account, a lot of labels got 3529 02:21:41.530 --> 02:21:43.450 screwed over the entertainment account. If it doesn't sell, it's 3530 02:21:43.489 --> 02:21:45.649 coming back and you're going to take a hit on 3531 02:21:45.670 --> 02:21:48.899 that stuff. And so they sold... They went out selling, oh, 3532 02:21:48.899 --> 02:21:51.340 we'll sell 300,000 copies of Short Circuit to Walmart. It's like, 3533 02:21:51.620 --> 02:21:54.120 are you insane? Why are you doing that? Because it's 3534 02:21:54.200 --> 02:22:00.340 all going to come back. So decisions like that were ill-advised. 3535 02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:04.959 And in the meantime, there was a very aggressive hostile 3536 02:22:04.979 --> 02:22:08.139 takeover attempt by Lionsgate. They really wanted to buy Image out, 3537 02:22:08.180 --> 02:22:10.040 and they were going to the shareholders, and they were 3538 02:22:10.059 --> 02:22:12.260 really trying to do it. And Image just barely managed 3539 02:22:12.280 --> 02:22:13.729 to fend them off. It was grim. It was grim. 3540 02:22:14.389 --> 02:22:16.110 like a few months when that was going on. Um, 3541 02:22:16.209 --> 02:22:17.549 cause they really just wanted to like suck up the 3542 02:22:17.709 --> 02:22:19.290 library and just dissolve the whole company. And that was 3543 02:22:19.309 --> 02:22:22.459 going to be it. Uh, and eventually they realized, well, 3544 02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:25.000 you know, after we've, after all this stuff had gone down, 3545 02:22:25.020 --> 02:22:27.079 they're like, well, we've got to do something with this company. 3546 02:22:27.100 --> 02:22:28.540 We got to find somebody to buy it out. Cause 3547 02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:29.979 you know, otherwise we're going to be in hot water. 3548 02:22:30.180 --> 02:22:32.379 And so they wound up getting bought by a company 3549 02:22:32.399 --> 02:22:34.639 called RLJ entertainment, which was run by the guy who 3550 02:22:34.659 --> 02:22:39.430 owned BET. And he, um, also bought, um, acorns. And 3551 02:22:39.450 --> 02:22:42.239 since then, they've been bought out by AMC. And so 3552 02:22:42.260 --> 02:22:44.059 that's why Image is involved in stuff by Shudder. And 3553 02:22:44.340 --> 02:22:47.260 it's all just a big conglomerate of things. The Image 3554 02:22:47.280 --> 02:22:49.200 Entertainment name still exists on some things, but it's just 3555 02:22:49.219 --> 02:22:52.180 a filing cabinet. It's not really a company anymore. So 3556 02:22:52.600 --> 02:22:54.590 when RLJ first bought them out, there was one round 3557 02:22:54.610 --> 02:22:56.530 of layoffs where they laid off maybe a couple of 3558 02:22:56.549 --> 02:22:59.590 QC people, a couple of artists, a little bit of 3559 02:22:59.610 --> 02:23:01.590 trimming off the top. And we knew there was going 3560 02:23:01.610 --> 02:23:02.850 to be more than that. But that was one round. 3561 02:23:02.870 --> 02:23:05.389 We were like, oh, here it comes. And that was 3562 02:23:05.430 --> 02:23:06.950 going down. But I'm just chugging ahead doing my thing. 3563 02:23:07.340 --> 02:23:08.790 And I also had worked on a lot of TV 3564 02:23:08.809 --> 02:23:10.729 stuff at the time because one of my real babies, 3565 02:23:11.350 --> 02:23:12.889 my real babies later on in the image was one 3566 02:23:12.930 --> 02:23:15.049 was getting the Sylvester Stump Caligula done, which I spent 3567 02:23:15.069 --> 02:23:15.629 like a year on. 3568 02:23:15.649 --> 02:23:16.170 Yes. 3569 02:23:16.430 --> 02:23:17.909 Because that was just like. 3570 02:23:18.190 --> 02:23:21.479 What a labor of love. What an incredible release. Good grief. 3571 02:23:22.780 --> 02:23:23.819 So comprehensive. 3572 02:23:24.379 --> 02:23:24.620 Yeah. 3573 02:23:24.879 --> 02:23:26.920 Because I pushed hard because I was like, you guys 3574 02:23:27.319 --> 02:23:28.700 have the penthouse thing. Why has no one done a 3575 02:23:28.700 --> 02:23:30.139 special edition? They were like, well, what could you do? 3576 02:23:30.159 --> 02:23:32.120 And I'm like, it is the most amazing behind the 3577 02:23:32.139 --> 02:23:35.020 scenes story of any movie ever. Like you can't. It's 3578 02:23:35.059 --> 02:23:37.659 the craziest thing. I mean, like the movie has flaws, 3579 02:23:37.860 --> 02:23:40.100 but like just, you could do the most amazing addition 3580 02:23:40.120 --> 02:23:42.280 for this. So they were like, fine, we'll, we'll just, 3581 02:23:42.329 --> 02:23:44.270 you know, kind of check the penthouse and they're, you know, they'll, 3582 02:23:44.389 --> 02:23:47.010 they'll fund the special edition. So I got everybody involved 3583 02:23:47.030 --> 02:23:49.229 with it. Um, and the other one that I really 3584 02:23:49.250 --> 02:23:50.489 want to do, cause we had to deal with NBC 3585 02:23:50.549 --> 02:23:52.469 universal and I was like, I really want to do thriller, 3586 02:23:52.610 --> 02:23:53.989 the TV series, the Boris Karloff one. 3587 02:23:54.670 --> 02:23:55.209 Oh yeah. 3588 02:23:55.790 --> 02:23:57.229 Um, that was like a real baby of mine that 3589 02:23:57.250 --> 02:23:59.309 I wanted done. And so I brought in, um, Steve Mitchell, 3590 02:23:59.329 --> 02:24:00.790 who I still do tracks with sometimes I brought him 3591 02:24:00.829 --> 02:24:03.450 in to, um, he basically kind of lived in our 3592 02:24:03.469 --> 02:24:05.309 office for a while, um, helping out doing all the 3593 02:24:05.350 --> 02:24:07.319 commentaries and interviews and stuff like that. Cause I just 3594 02:24:07.340 --> 02:24:09.180 didn't have time. Cause it was, if you, if you 3595 02:24:09.200 --> 02:24:11.940 have the set, you know, there's like, there's like commentaries 3596 02:24:11.979 --> 02:24:13.260 on every single episode on that. 3597 02:24:13.280 --> 02:24:14.219 And I was like, I can't do that. 3598 02:24:15.280 --> 02:24:17.989 Um, it was stacked. So we did the first season 3599 02:24:18.030 --> 02:24:20.350 of thriller and I was just starting season two. And 3600 02:24:20.370 --> 02:24:23.049 that's when the next round of layoffs hit. And, uh, 3601 02:24:24.149 --> 02:24:25.989 So the guy who was heading marketing at the time, 3602 02:24:26.010 --> 02:24:28.270 this guy named Steve DeMille, they were doing all the 3603 02:24:28.290 --> 02:24:30.370 layoffs that morning, and they thought they were done. I 3604 02:24:30.370 --> 02:24:32.379 was about to go to lunch with our Criterion person 3605 02:24:32.520 --> 02:24:33.739 named Julianne. I was about to walk out the door, 3606 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:35.280 and they were like, oh, Nathaniel, come here for a second. 3607 02:24:35.299 --> 02:24:38.659 I was like, oh, shit. So I went in his office, 3608 02:24:38.680 --> 02:24:41.500 and sure enough, got the layoff papers. It was like 3609 02:24:41.540 --> 02:24:43.569 a total, I mean, I think like half the staff 3610 02:24:43.579 --> 02:24:46.709 was gone that day. It was really bad. But then 3611 02:24:47.069 --> 02:24:48.610 it's like a week later, they realized it was like 3612 02:24:48.649 --> 02:24:50.590 I was working on like 30 projects that they had 3613 02:24:50.610 --> 02:24:53.670 a lot of money sunk into, including Thriller Season 2. 3614 02:24:53.670 --> 02:24:55.450 And they were like, uh, we have no idea how 3615 02:24:55.479 --> 02:24:57.879 to do this. Like, we don't know at what stage 3616 02:24:57.920 --> 02:24:59.959 these are in. Like what? Cause you know, it's all 3617 02:24:59.979 --> 02:25:01.379 on my computer and they'd shut it down. And I 3618 02:25:01.399 --> 02:25:03.719 was like, okay. So they had to bring me back 3619 02:25:04.120 --> 02:25:06.059 to work for like another eight months, a freelance and 3620 02:25:06.079 --> 02:25:07.680 basically pay me twice as much to work and finish 3621 02:25:07.700 --> 02:25:08.700 all the stuff I was doing. 3622 02:25:08.899 --> 02:25:10.659 Oh my God. 3623 02:25:11.020 --> 02:25:11.219 Okay. 3624 02:25:11.340 --> 02:25:11.600 Thanks. 3625 02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:16.500 So it wasn't like an unfriendly split. I mean, I 3626 02:25:16.520 --> 02:25:17.920 know why it happened. You could tell that things were 3627 02:25:17.940 --> 02:25:21.180 sort of winding down, you know, obviously. Um, and like, 3628 02:25:21.219 --> 02:25:22.370 as soon as I was done with that, I mean, I, 3629 02:25:22.889 --> 02:25:24.889 like a year after that, I think hardly anybody was 3630 02:25:24.920 --> 02:25:27.049 left from the original gang. They got sort of sucked 3631 02:25:27.090 --> 02:25:29.290 up in RLJ. They kept like maybe two of the 3632 02:25:29.329 --> 02:25:32.030 art people and maybe one or two other, like the 3633 02:25:32.069 --> 02:25:32.549 legal person. 3634 02:25:32.569 --> 02:25:34.309 I think it kind of worked out well for you. 3635 02:25:34.930 --> 02:25:35.129 Yeah. 3636 02:25:35.170 --> 02:25:36.209 Oh, it was totally fine. 3637 02:25:36.270 --> 02:25:36.549 Cause yeah. 3638 02:25:36.590 --> 02:25:37.590 Once I finished, then I went to work for the 3639 02:25:37.649 --> 02:25:42.709 Oscars and I was like, woo. So, um, it all 3640 02:25:42.729 --> 02:25:44.229 worked out, but I mean, I do miss it because 3641 02:25:44.250 --> 02:25:45.530 like I said, it was a dream gig. It was 3642 02:25:45.569 --> 02:25:46.989 just fun. Cause like you never knew week to week 3643 02:25:47.010 --> 02:25:49.309 who you were going to be talking to. Um, you know, 3644 02:25:49.329 --> 02:25:51.229 it's like, Oh, you want to, tomorrow, you want to 3645 02:25:51.250 --> 02:25:53.649 go talk to Johnny legend for a commentary? I'm like, okay, fine. Sure. 3646 02:25:53.709 --> 02:25:53.969 Whatever. 3647 02:25:56.290 --> 02:25:57.510 Um, or like, you know, or Hey, Mike and Lisa 3648 02:25:57.530 --> 02:25:58.989 are coming into town, you know, let's, let's plot out 3649 02:25:59.010 --> 02:26:02.100 the next 20 titles. I was like, great. Um, so, 3650 02:26:02.120 --> 02:26:03.760 you know, there, that aspect is gone, um, which I 3651 02:26:03.780 --> 02:26:05.540 don't think any job would ever get that bad. 3652 02:26:05.559 --> 02:26:07.840 Cause that time, that's what I was going to say. 3653 02:26:07.899 --> 02:26:08.239 Yeah. 3654 02:26:08.399 --> 02:26:09.379 It just doesn't exist. 3655 02:26:10.680 --> 02:26:12.100 But I mean, just that the amount of like sex 3656 02:26:12.120 --> 02:26:14.090 exploitation stuff that, that we managed to get out in 3657 02:26:14.129 --> 02:26:15.889 front of the public, it just still kind of like 3658 02:26:16.309 --> 02:26:17.870 freaks me out that we got away with murder. I 3659 02:26:17.909 --> 02:26:20.500 think against some of those things, like, There's the last 3660 02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:23.899 trilogy on DVD, you know, sitting there in borders. What 3661 02:26:23.920 --> 02:26:26.000 kind of world is this? 3662 02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:28.559 Just corrupting one mind after another. 3663 02:26:28.579 --> 02:26:30.639 Yeah, I just like to think that like. 3664 02:26:30.700 --> 02:26:35.309 Under the corporate umbrella. She's so crazy. Yeah, it really 3665 02:26:35.350 --> 02:26:38.069 is crazy when you think about it. Yeah, a lot 3666 02:26:38.090 --> 02:26:41.969 of corruption going on. One mind at a time. 3667 02:26:42.510 --> 02:26:45.790 Yeah, some crazy 15-year-old kid out in the boonies of 3668 02:26:45.829 --> 02:26:47.829 Illinois or something might have gotten that disc and changed 3669 02:26:47.850 --> 02:26:48.510 their life. Who knows? 3670 02:26:48.909 --> 02:26:48.989 Yeah. 3671 02:26:50.079 --> 02:26:55.809 Exactly. They could be listening right now. I keep forgetting 3672 02:26:55.909 --> 02:26:57.809 that people actually listen to this thing and people are like, 3673 02:26:57.870 --> 02:26:58.510 Oh yeah, sure. 3674 02:26:58.790 --> 02:26:59.430 Yeah. 3675 02:27:00.110 --> 02:27:02.909 Um, yeah, actually Johnny legend. I wanted to ask about, 3676 02:27:02.930 --> 02:27:06.370 because those two commentaries I love on the Mondo mod 3677 02:27:06.870 --> 02:27:09.799 can't be revolt because it really is just like them 3678 02:27:09.829 --> 02:27:13.200 talking about what LA used to be like at that time. 3679 02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:15.100 And then they also cover San Francisco. And it really 3680 02:27:15.180 --> 02:27:18.370 is like a great look at counterculture and like, movie 3681 02:27:18.409 --> 02:27:19.629 culture and stuff like that in. 3682 02:27:19.590 --> 02:27:22.309 The town those dudes were like actually on those streets 3683 02:27:22.370 --> 02:27:24.350 like they know them so well yeah. 3684 02:27:24.489 --> 02:27:28.530 Yes those are great commentaries and uh that's yeah i 3685 02:27:28.670 --> 02:27:31.110 that's the thing that's those are those are two others 3686 02:27:31.149 --> 02:27:33.489 or at least i know mondo mods with novak i'm 3687 02:27:33.549 --> 02:27:35.530 just like i would love those to get reissued just 3688 02:27:35.569 --> 02:27:38.590 because those commentaries are so great there's just as exciting 3689 02:27:38.610 --> 02:27:40.409 and interesting as the movies Yeah. 3690 02:27:40.489 --> 02:27:42.989 I remember like wrestling 211 USA was a fun one 3691 02:27:43.030 --> 02:27:45.729 to do too. The track we did on that one. Yeah. 3692 02:27:46.049 --> 02:27:46.350 Yes. 3693 02:27:46.409 --> 02:27:46.889 That's right. 3694 02:27:47.010 --> 02:27:52.040 Oh yeah. I forgot about that one. It's just jumping 3695 02:27:52.079 --> 02:27:53.479 all over the place. You never knew. 3696 02:27:53.540 --> 02:27:53.739 Yeah. 3697 02:27:53.760 --> 02:27:56.879 It's like a disc all it's all about wrestling. See, 3698 02:27:57.000 --> 02:27:59.239 and that's the funny thing. When it was reissued by Kino, 3699 02:27:59.399 --> 02:28:01.729 it was paired with something else. And I was like, well, 3700 02:28:01.829 --> 02:28:06.670 it's not a disc packed with nonstop wrestling. All over 3701 02:28:06.850 --> 02:28:08.950 the disc. Yeah, that's wrestling content. 3702 02:28:10.670 --> 02:28:11.909 Start to finish that whole disc. 3703 02:28:12.149 --> 02:28:12.729 Yeah. Oh yeah. 3704 02:28:12.750 --> 02:28:12.909 Yeah. 3705 02:28:12.930 --> 02:28:13.069 Yeah. 3706 02:28:13.209 --> 02:28:15.610 No, I love the keynote call. They're doing, they're putting out, 3707 02:28:15.639 --> 02:28:17.100 but yeah, it doesn't have the whole sort of like 3708 02:28:17.139 --> 02:28:19.000 just free for all like buffet pack to the gills 3709 02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:20.200 feeling you got on those DVDs. 3710 02:28:20.559 --> 02:28:20.879 Right. 3711 02:28:21.040 --> 02:28:22.540 No, it's a little more. 3712 02:28:22.559 --> 02:28:22.639 Yeah. 3713 02:28:22.879 --> 02:28:24.659 It's a little more like Eric Schaefer. It's a little 3714 02:28:24.680 --> 02:28:27.659 more historical. It's a little more, not respectful, but it's 3715 02:28:27.700 --> 02:28:32.149 a little more like, it's like, it's like institutional care. 3716 02:28:32.350 --> 02:28:35.190 Whereas it imaged in something weird feels like, well, this 3717 02:28:35.209 --> 02:28:38.469 is a free for all. It's wrestling. Here's wrestling. Right. 3718 02:28:38.510 --> 02:28:41.860 You know, Brett Wood has a perspective on these films 3719 02:28:41.899 --> 02:28:43.639 that is different. You know, he's coming from, like, a 3720 02:28:43.700 --> 02:28:45.579 restorationist's perspective. 3721 02:28:46.219 --> 02:28:46.440 Great. 3722 02:28:46.459 --> 02:28:51.200 Like, a historian of, like, early exploitation. That's, like, his mindset, 3723 02:28:51.219 --> 02:28:51.520 sort of. 3724 02:28:51.579 --> 02:28:52.479 Yeah. Right. 3725 02:28:52.659 --> 02:28:53.639 And Shakespeare's the same way. 3726 02:28:53.659 --> 02:28:56.780 Because Shakespeare literally wrote the book on that genre. 3727 02:28:56.819 --> 02:28:57.079 Yeah. 3728 02:28:57.420 --> 02:29:01.309 But, like, the Sexploiter's raw love, like, that release feels 3729 02:29:01.409 --> 02:29:03.850 like kind of a throwback to the Image days. Because, 3730 02:29:03.889 --> 02:29:06.329 you know, raw love, nobody expected that. 3731 02:29:07.069 --> 02:29:07.350 Right. 3732 02:29:07.909 --> 02:29:08.290 Yeah. Yeah. 3733 02:29:08.610 --> 02:29:09.649 I mean, they do get the vibe back, like the 3734 02:29:09.829 --> 02:29:11.979 3D nudie cutie disc, I think, kind of gets that 3735 02:29:12.030 --> 02:29:12.829 vibe back as well. 3736 02:29:13.659 --> 02:29:13.959 Yes. 3737 02:29:14.680 --> 02:29:15.659 Yeah. 3738 02:29:15.719 --> 02:29:17.399 I'm going to hit you back to Monster Across the 3739 02:29:17.420 --> 02:29:19.680 Pajama Party. That's the first place you could see the 3740 02:29:19.799 --> 02:29:21.260 Asylum of the Insane footage. 3741 02:29:23.399 --> 02:29:23.620 3D! 3742 02:29:23.879 --> 02:29:26.559 Like, do we get, I don't know, I guess you 3743 02:29:26.600 --> 02:29:29.540 get Blu-ray releases with 3D glasses in them, but it 3744 02:29:29.579 --> 02:29:33.350 feels like something that I really only remember getting with DVDs. 3745 02:29:33.729 --> 02:29:37.299 And like, Monster Across the Pajama Party... Well, when the 3746 02:29:37.340 --> 02:29:39.659 monsters crossed the pajama party, it was kind of like, oh, 3747 02:29:39.719 --> 02:29:41.979 why do I need 3D glasses for this? Because the 3748 02:29:42.020 --> 02:29:44.120 movie's not in 3D, right? And it's like, well, you'll 3749 02:29:44.229 --> 02:29:46.829 find out why. You know, in the back it says 3750 02:29:46.870 --> 02:29:49.110 there's stuff in 3D, so you're going to see stuff 3751 02:29:49.149 --> 02:29:49.280 in 3D. 3752 02:30:01.010 --> 02:30:04.100 Well, before we let you go, maybe we could run 3753 02:30:04.139 --> 02:30:10.079 through the most wanted image. Something that was released on ImageDVD, 3754 02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:11.780 but that hasn't been upgraded yet. 3755 02:30:12.840 --> 02:30:13.840 There's so many. 3756 02:30:13.840 --> 02:30:14.899 90% of them. 3757 02:30:14.920 --> 02:30:18.879 Yeah, give us, Nate, one or two that you can 3758 02:30:18.940 --> 02:30:20.520 think of off the top of your head. 3759 02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:23.940 Oh, gosh. Well, there's plenty of Novaks. I would say Toybox. 3760 02:30:23.979 --> 02:30:25.700 Toybox and Wilbur are way up on my list. 3761 02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:27.739 Toybox is so high on my list. 3762 02:30:27.760 --> 02:30:28.340 Good picks, yeah. 3763 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:31.819 Yeah, I really want those badly. Obviously, Fuego is a 3764 02:30:31.840 --> 02:30:33.870 huge one for me. I would kill to get Fuego 3765 02:30:33.930 --> 02:30:39.569 on Blu-ray or whatever. Love of God, make it happen. Somebody, please. God, 3766 02:30:39.590 --> 02:30:44.440 what else? Oh my God, there's so many of those things. Yeah, 3767 02:30:44.459 --> 02:30:47.260 I mean... They're not great movies, but I really would 3768 02:30:47.280 --> 02:30:50.149 love just a box of all the Novak Southern nudie movies. 3769 02:30:51.370 --> 02:30:55.670 We both do as well. Yes, we both do. Yeah, 3770 02:30:56.370 --> 02:30:59.069 I don't know. Well, I think I just discovered Bethel 3771 02:30:59.110 --> 02:31:02.729 Buckler only died like three years ago. He'd been around 3772 02:31:02.770 --> 02:31:04.059 this whole time. He died at like, I think he 3773 02:31:04.079 --> 02:31:06.600 was like 99 or something. I was like, damn it. 3774 02:31:06.620 --> 02:31:08.239 I would have loved to call him to know more 3775 02:31:08.280 --> 02:31:10.620 about this stuff. But his son Mark is still around 3776 02:31:10.659 --> 02:31:13.389 and Mark is in Which one is he in? I 3777 02:31:13.670 --> 02:31:17.030 think it's he's in Country Cousins because he's molested by 3778 02:31:17.049 --> 02:31:20.530 Renee Vaughn in that movie. And I'm just like, your 3779 02:31:20.579 --> 02:31:25.299 dad was directing you getting jumped on by Renee Vaughn. 3780 02:31:26.340 --> 02:31:28.440 So I know he has good stories if we'll talk. 3781 02:31:28.729 --> 02:31:29.420 But yeah. 3782 02:31:31.520 --> 02:31:32.899 I would love those. I just don't know what the 3783 02:31:32.940 --> 02:31:36.659 marketability is with those. Did those do well for image? Oh, yeah. 3784 02:31:37.319 --> 02:31:37.579 Wow. 3785 02:31:37.780 --> 02:31:38.069 Yeah. 3786 02:31:38.149 --> 02:31:40.069 I think if people, if people looked at the sales spectrum, 3787 02:31:40.090 --> 02:31:41.469 some of these, it would be really shocked at what 3788 02:31:41.489 --> 02:31:43.350 sold and what didn't. Cause I think, I think the 3789 02:31:43.389 --> 02:31:45.430 certain directors, people assume they do better than they do. 3790 02:31:45.489 --> 02:31:47.530 And some people think things sell worse than they do. 3791 02:31:47.549 --> 02:31:49.829 The Harry Novak's pretty much across the board sold really well. 3792 02:31:50.629 --> 02:31:53.479 Anything freedom sold well, um, any, any freedom titles pretty 3793 02:31:53.520 --> 02:31:55.719 much because they had the, you know, they had the 3794 02:31:55.739 --> 02:31:57.799 catchy titles, they had the marketing, they just, they had 3795 02:31:57.819 --> 02:32:00.319 the oomph behind them. Um, the worst ones by a 3796 02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:02.440 long shot were the Joe Sarno's like not even close, 3797 02:32:03.200 --> 02:32:05.719 like absolute bottom. Like, I mean, and we, I mean, 3798 02:32:05.780 --> 02:32:07.079 and Mike loved them and I loved them. I mean, 3799 02:32:07.100 --> 02:32:08.590 we kept putting them out, but like we knew it 3800 02:32:08.610 --> 02:32:09.829 was like, it's going to be the very bottom. Like 3801 02:32:09.850 --> 02:32:12.690 if it sells a thousand, great, but it's yeah. Nobody 3802 02:32:12.729 --> 02:32:15.569 bought those, which I think, I think Sarno just has 3803 02:32:15.590 --> 02:32:16.889 that cachet as a name that he's sort of a 3804 02:32:16.909 --> 02:32:19.329 respectable exploitation guy. And I think they found out with 3805 02:32:19.350 --> 02:32:20.920 the Blu-ray story coming on, they're like, you know, why 3806 02:32:20.940 --> 02:32:25.280 is nobody buying these? Like, well, they never did. Like, yeah. Um, 3807 02:32:25.299 --> 02:32:27.299 which is a shame. And you know, I love them, 3808 02:32:27.319 --> 02:32:30.569 but it's like, they don't, they're almost like too respectable. 3809 02:32:30.610 --> 02:32:33.950 They're a little too arty. I think, um, people just 3810 02:32:33.969 --> 02:32:35.270 don't really know how to process it. Cause they don't 3811 02:32:35.319 --> 02:32:37.799 really give you the goods. I think, um, even though 3812 02:32:37.819 --> 02:32:38.760 they're very well made movies. 3813 02:32:39.059 --> 02:32:41.920 Right. Like a Harry Novak, you get the goods. 3814 02:32:42.159 --> 02:32:45.899 You do. You know, like Doris, Doris Wishman sold like hotcakes. 3815 02:32:45.959 --> 02:32:48.379 I mean, Doris sold like crazy, no matter what it was. 3816 02:32:48.899 --> 02:32:51.219 But the Sarnels give you a different kind of goods, 3817 02:32:51.440 --> 02:32:55.139 you know, depends on what you're in it for, you know? Yeah. 3818 02:32:55.299 --> 02:32:56.860 But it's, it's much harder to sell. 3819 02:32:57.709 --> 02:33:00.040 Very much so. And I think that's probably why he 3820 02:33:00.059 --> 02:33:03.360 jumped from producer to producer because people were like, well, 3821 02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:04.540 we like the work you do and you do it 3822 02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:06.659 quick and we like the movies, but they're not making money. 3823 02:33:06.959 --> 02:33:09.680 So like, we can't keep doing business with you because 3824 02:33:09.819 --> 02:33:13.719 we're not making money from you. And yeah, that's, and 3825 02:33:13.760 --> 02:33:15.899 that is kind of, I thank you for confirming that. 3826 02:33:15.940 --> 02:33:17.719 Cause I have been saying that for years. Cause Lisa 3827 02:33:17.760 --> 02:33:19.440 and Mike have been like, yeah, Saunders don't really sell. 3828 02:33:19.459 --> 02:33:24.079 And I'm like, well, Nathaniel would know. Hallows are sending 3829 02:33:24.100 --> 02:33:27.610 the suburbs sold. And unfortunately, Yeah. 3830 02:33:27.989 --> 02:33:30.909 I'm cutting this from the podcast so nobody hears this. 3831 02:33:31.389 --> 02:33:34.819 Because we want to put out more Sarnos. 3832 02:33:35.579 --> 02:33:38.360 Well, especially because now the ones that are lost are 3833 02:33:38.979 --> 02:33:43.620 basically found. They just are... in a holding cell waiting 3834 02:33:43.680 --> 02:33:46.600 to come out but if they don't accept it the 3835 02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:48.729 problem is they won't sell so the question is how 3836 02:33:48.750 --> 02:33:50.280 to get them in front of the eyes that's why. 3837 02:33:50.229 --> 02:33:53.829 Yeah you put these out in like budget budget releases 3838 02:33:53.850 --> 02:33:55.969 you know just pack them all on some kind of 3839 02:33:56.010 --> 02:33:58.950 budget release that's you know i i don't see any 3840 02:33:58.989 --> 02:33:59.629 other way to do it. 3841 02:33:59.610 --> 02:34:02.649 I don't know maybe another lost picture show but that's 3842 02:34:02.690 --> 02:34:04.350 how deep inside came out if they put out deep 3843 02:34:04.409 --> 02:34:06.549 inside by itself that would have tanked Yeah. 3844 02:34:06.610 --> 02:34:06.829 Yeah. 3845 02:34:07.670 --> 02:34:07.950 Yeah. 3846 02:34:08.010 --> 02:34:09.649 No, if you mix it with something else, that's how 3847 02:34:09.670 --> 02:34:10.909 it's going to work. You can't, but if you do 3848 02:34:10.950 --> 02:34:13.530 sort of by themselves, it's like, it just doesn't happen. Like, 3849 02:34:13.870 --> 02:34:15.469 I don't know why it is, but there's just, there's 3850 02:34:15.489 --> 02:34:17.389 a resistance in the public. There always has been. And I, 3851 02:34:17.510 --> 02:34:19.290 I can never figure out how to crack it. It's like, 3852 02:34:19.309 --> 02:34:21.110 how do you make people buy these things? And they 3853 02:34:21.149 --> 02:34:21.920 just would not do it. 3854 02:34:22.930 --> 02:34:23.170 Right. 3855 02:34:23.329 --> 02:34:26.280 Well, it's interesting because I feel like retro seduction was 3856 02:34:26.340 --> 02:34:28.479 able to make those work. And I don't know if 3857 02:34:28.500 --> 02:34:30.629 it's because they were color and in seventies and they had, 3858 02:34:30.879 --> 02:34:34.040 they had familiar porno people in them, like Jennifer Wells. 3859 02:34:34.059 --> 02:34:34.139 Yeah. 3860 02:34:34.670 --> 02:34:37.469 And also the Swedish stuff, so like Marie Forza and Butterflies, 3861 02:34:37.530 --> 02:34:39.829 and they put those out. They were able to do 3862 02:34:39.889 --> 02:34:41.469 very well with those, and I don't know if it 3863 02:34:41.510 --> 02:34:45.420 was because they're not black and white and they're sexier. 3864 02:34:45.579 --> 02:34:48.739 They kind of deliver more of the goods that you're expecting, maybe. 3865 02:34:48.760 --> 02:34:52.360 Well, I think a title like Adventures of an American Housewife, 3866 02:34:52.399 --> 02:34:57.219 that sells better. Great title. When you hear all the 3867 02:34:57.239 --> 02:34:58.459 Sons of Sodom, like, what? 3868 02:34:58.879 --> 02:34:59.819 I don't like that title. 3869 02:35:03.329 --> 02:35:03.670 Okay. 3870 02:35:03.930 --> 02:35:05.510 Yeah. 3871 02:35:06.670 --> 02:35:09.430 Yeah. Red Rose is a passion. Great title though. But yeah, 3872 02:35:09.569 --> 02:35:11.979 a lot of them not great. Well, was there ever 3873 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:14.780 a difference between sales for stuff that was clearly black 3874 02:35:14.840 --> 02:35:16.899 and white versus stuff that was color? Was that ever 3875 02:35:16.959 --> 02:35:20.200 like a big thing that you can think I can notice? 3876 02:35:21.120 --> 02:35:24.579 Not so much as long as it has something exploitable. Um, 3877 02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:27.059 like I said, the rough is also really well, um, 3878 02:35:27.620 --> 02:35:29.120 I mean, even like odd things. I mean, even like 3879 02:35:29.139 --> 02:35:32.520 something like Bwanga Bwanga, which is a ridiculous double feature, 3880 02:35:32.579 --> 02:35:34.739 but it's all fine. Like it actually did pretty well. 3881 02:35:34.760 --> 02:35:35.459 That's a good release. 3882 02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:36.059 I like that one. 3883 02:35:36.079 --> 02:35:37.940 Yeah, it is. But like, I thought it was going 3884 02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:39.040 to be a tougher sell than it was. Like I 3885 02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:41.620 like people going, what? But it actually did okay. Like 3886 02:35:41.639 --> 02:35:44.260 it did better than I thought it would. You know, 3887 02:35:44.280 --> 02:35:45.520 but yeah, the black and white stuff, it tended to 3888 02:35:45.639 --> 02:35:48.139 sell pretty well. The JD stuff, maybe not quite as, 3889 02:35:48.239 --> 02:35:49.280 it did okay. Like the. 3890 02:35:49.459 --> 02:35:50.079 How interesting. 3891 02:35:50.100 --> 02:35:50.879 Teenage movies. 3892 02:35:51.639 --> 02:35:52.200 Right. 3893 02:35:52.239 --> 02:35:54.219 They did fine. Like better than the Sarnas for sure. 3894 02:35:55.129 --> 02:35:55.389 Sure. 3895 02:35:55.729 --> 02:35:57.829 Well, like Violent Years at least has the Ed Wood angle, 3896 02:35:57.930 --> 02:36:01.979 but stuff like Lost, Lonely, and Vicious in Jacktown, probably 3897 02:36:02.000 --> 02:36:04.520 a little tougher. Or like High School Big Shot, High 3898 02:36:04.540 --> 02:36:06.989 School Caesar, and Date Bait. I love that triple feature, 3899 02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:09.850 but I can see that being a little tougher. Okay. 3900 02:36:09.870 --> 02:36:09.989 Yeah. 3901 02:36:10.829 --> 02:36:14.430 Well, my least favorite was always 50,000 BC and When 3902 02:36:14.489 --> 02:36:17.770 Women Play Ding Dong or When Women Whatever. And I 3903 02:36:17.850 --> 02:36:19.659 think that was the one that I really raked over 3904 02:36:19.690 --> 02:36:21.020 the coals and I thought that I was going to 3905 02:36:21.040 --> 02:36:25.180 get banned from reviewing those. I was like, guys, this 3906 02:36:25.239 --> 02:36:27.920 is garbage. The transfers are garbage. The movies are garbage. 3907 02:36:28.420 --> 02:36:29.959 And I was like, well, they're allowed to have a 3908 02:36:30.040 --> 02:36:32.760 miss every once in a while. It can't all be great. 3909 02:36:33.440 --> 02:36:35.399 you know, sometimes it really is just by getting as 3910 02:36:35.459 --> 02:36:37.620 much out as you can. And these were available and 3911 02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:39.340 they thought they could market it, you know? 3912 02:36:39.600 --> 02:36:40.079 No, exactly. 3913 02:36:40.159 --> 02:36:41.540 I mean, yeah, there's no way that everyone's going to 3914 02:36:41.559 --> 02:36:43.049 like every title that they put out. I mean, it was, 3915 02:36:43.059 --> 02:36:44.959 it was so all over the map. Like there's, there's 3916 02:36:45.059 --> 02:36:45.920 absolutely impossible. 3917 02:36:46.100 --> 02:36:46.819 Yeah. Yeah. 3918 02:36:47.159 --> 02:36:49.739 Or like mighty Gorga, 1 million ACDC. 3919 02:36:49.879 --> 02:36:50.360 Oh my Lord. 3920 02:36:51.370 --> 02:36:51.510 Yeah. 3921 02:36:51.549 --> 02:36:53.409 Like you said, like the, the kitty double features, it's like, 3922 02:36:53.450 --> 02:36:55.010 I mean, there are certain, some of the weird customers 3923 02:36:55.030 --> 02:36:56.440 are going to like, they won't even know how to 3924 02:36:56.459 --> 02:36:57.719 process what's in front of their eyes. 3925 02:36:57.879 --> 02:37:02.040 Like, I was like, Oh, great. Barry Mahon. Great. Yeah. 3926 02:37:02.579 --> 02:37:04.579 Let's see what he can do with a kitty movie, 3927 02:37:04.620 --> 02:37:06.930 you know? Uh, but yeah, I could see how that'd 3928 02:37:06.950 --> 02:37:07.629 be a tougher sell. 3929 02:37:07.969 --> 02:37:08.129 Yeah. 3930 02:37:09.399 --> 02:37:11.299 Well, that's what like Agfa has been doing is like 3931 02:37:11.340 --> 02:37:14.340 putting some of that stuff in like those big drive-in 3932 02:37:14.500 --> 02:37:17.430 releases and just like, Hey, just hit play. Just let 3933 02:37:17.469 --> 02:37:18.030 it go. 3934 02:37:18.190 --> 02:37:19.329 And just, Oh yeah. 3935 02:37:19.870 --> 02:37:20.030 Yeah. 3936 02:37:20.110 --> 02:37:21.850 I like their kitty. Their kitty said actually it was fun. 3937 02:37:21.870 --> 02:37:23.079 Like that's kind of how you have to do it. 3938 02:37:23.090 --> 02:37:25.170 Just make it like a nonstop, like marathon experience. 3939 02:37:25.209 --> 02:37:26.350 It just video party. 3940 02:37:26.750 --> 02:37:27.010 Yeah. 3941 02:37:27.090 --> 02:37:28.370 It just like turns your brain to mush as you're 3942 02:37:28.389 --> 02:37:30.549 watching it by the end. You're just drooling on your sofa. 3943 02:37:30.610 --> 02:37:31.530 It's fine. 3944 02:37:32.069 --> 02:37:35.100 Pretty much, yeah. I mean, Princess and the Frog is 3945 02:37:35.120 --> 02:37:37.579 the good one on that, I think. I enjoy Princess 3946 02:37:37.620 --> 02:37:39.520 and the Frog. I mean, it's no Jimmy the Boy Wonder, 3947 02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:41.569 but I love that one. 3948 02:37:41.809 --> 02:37:43.239 You love Jimmy's Boy Wonder. 3949 02:37:43.739 --> 02:37:47.520 I do. I'm surprised that actually wasn't put out, but again, 3950 02:37:47.559 --> 02:37:51.239 it's a kiddie thing. Actually, we were talking about these 3951 02:37:51.280 --> 02:37:54.309 cut-down versions that you wish the full versions were released. 3952 02:37:54.360 --> 02:37:56.010 We don't need the full version of Magic Land of 3953 02:37:56.049 --> 02:38:01.329 Mother Goose. The cut-down version is fine. We don't need 3954 02:38:01.350 --> 02:38:06.600 the full version of that. 30 minutes is perfect. I 3955 02:38:06.639 --> 02:38:07.579 don't want the whole thing of that. 3956 02:38:08.120 --> 02:38:10.319 Just like a Bellator movie where it's just like, oh, 3957 02:38:10.399 --> 02:38:11.200 it's abstract. 3958 02:38:12.110 --> 02:38:16.090 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm surprised that Herschel didn't try to 3959 02:38:16.110 --> 02:38:19.020 make that argument. He was very honest. He was like, no, 3960 02:38:19.079 --> 02:38:20.479 it's just some piece of shit that we were paid 3961 02:38:20.500 --> 02:38:22.799 to make. Like this guy at a stage show and 3962 02:38:22.840 --> 02:38:23.430 paid us to do it. 3963 02:38:23.719 --> 02:38:24.139 Like, okay. 3964 02:38:24.889 --> 02:38:26.190 That's what it looks like. That's what it is. 3965 02:38:26.229 --> 02:38:28.489 It's like, it's like Dogville. It's all the stage. Life 3966 02:38:28.549 --> 02:38:29.010 is a stage. 3967 02:38:29.049 --> 02:38:29.870 Oh my God. 3968 02:38:30.229 --> 02:38:30.569 Actually. 3969 02:38:30.629 --> 02:38:34.770 Yes. It's very, it's a large venture. It's Dogman 95. 3970 02:38:34.770 --> 02:38:42.319 It's a Dogman 95 experience, right? Jesus. Um, well, so, 3971 02:38:43.020 --> 02:38:45.280 but so you're doing a lot of commentaries now for 3972 02:38:45.299 --> 02:38:47.299 like Kino and a few other places, but are you, 3973 02:38:47.540 --> 02:38:49.239 I'm trying to remember if you've been doing anything on 3974 02:38:49.280 --> 02:38:51.520 like sexploitation or sexploitation adjacent stuff. 3975 02:38:53.010 --> 02:38:55.090 Not a ton i mean i did do apocalypse sexual 3976 02:38:55.370 --> 02:38:57.770 uh sex apocalypse of that from under macabre i've done 3977 02:38:57.790 --> 02:39:00.530 a lot of euro sexploitation um but the thing is 3978 02:39:00.549 --> 02:39:02.469 yeah like a lot of them are with bender syndrome 3979 02:39:02.489 --> 02:39:03.790 rag for whoever it's like they kind of have their 3980 02:39:03.809 --> 02:39:06.170 own stable um and for some reason i've done stuff 3981 02:39:06.190 --> 02:39:08.360 for them in other capacities for some reason they don't 3982 02:39:08.399 --> 02:39:10.219 they have their own sexploitation folks they do which is 3983 02:39:10.260 --> 02:39:13.700 fine um so yeah for whatever reason i've done sexploitation 3984 02:39:13.719 --> 02:39:16.059 in a while um but who knows if the novaks 3985 02:39:16.100 --> 02:39:17.479 ever come around i'd be happy to jump on one 3986 02:39:17.520 --> 02:39:20.139 and doing without Harry around would probably be a lot. 3987 02:39:20.379 --> 02:39:24.750 Oh my God. Exactly. We can get you on a 3988 02:39:24.770 --> 02:39:29.110 commentary with Mark Buckaloo. Get the real deal on what 3989 02:39:29.129 --> 02:39:30.649 it was like to shoot these movies down the middle 3990 02:39:30.690 --> 02:39:31.129 of nowhere. 3991 02:39:33.049 --> 02:39:34.950 Those are fun. 3992 02:39:35.010 --> 02:39:36.520 And there's so much more stuff coming out now that, 3993 02:39:36.540 --> 02:39:37.959 I mean, I've done my ton of just Frank goes 3994 02:39:37.979 --> 02:39:39.100 and all that kind of stuff, but I mean, it's, 3995 02:39:39.139 --> 02:39:41.760 it's just a, it's a nonstop pile of stuff. So. 3996 02:39:42.420 --> 02:39:45.659 Well, in your tape, like your knowledge and your tastes 3997 02:39:45.899 --> 02:39:49.680 are so well, broad you know you could cover just 3998 02:39:49.780 --> 02:39:50.739 about anything. 3999 02:39:51.200 --> 02:39:52.750 Yeah i mean it's kind of psychotic like i remember 4000 02:39:52.829 --> 02:39:54.209 in like a one-week period i think i was doing 4001 02:39:54.250 --> 02:39:56.149 like oh today i'm doing super coach where i'm doing 4002 02:39:56.170 --> 02:39:58.950 dead and buried it's like yeah okay sure whatever like. 4003 02:40:00.170 --> 02:40:04.389 Lord i'm sure this could be connected somehow. 4004 02:40:04.510 --> 02:40:06.969 I don't know how probably in some way but. 4005 02:40:07.389 --> 02:40:11.680 In some weird way right Yeah, those Buckaloos, you know, 4006 02:40:11.739 --> 02:40:14.420 that I always look every now and then on eBay 4007 02:40:14.479 --> 02:40:18.440 for that Southern collection that came out on DVD. And yeah, 4008 02:40:18.520 --> 02:40:19.000 it's like. 4009 02:40:19.020 --> 02:40:19.739 The repackaging. 4010 02:40:20.399 --> 02:40:23.170 It's like hundreds of dollars to get that set these days. 4011 02:40:23.200 --> 02:40:26.350 So it's like, just redo that set in Blu-ray. I mean, 4012 02:40:26.370 --> 02:40:27.209 you could basically just like. 4013 02:40:27.290 --> 02:40:27.889 Yeah, exactly. 4014 02:40:27.909 --> 02:40:29.190 It's right there. 4015 02:40:29.510 --> 02:40:31.010 Yeah, that template is already set. 4016 02:40:31.629 --> 02:40:33.129 It's quite promising, though. 4017 02:40:33.530 --> 02:40:37.290 Actually, if it's going for good money, that's potentially... I mean, honestly, 4018 02:40:37.309 --> 02:40:39.250 that's what the Code Red boys did when they were like, 4019 02:40:39.600 --> 02:40:41.989 how much does this VHS sell for on Amazon? Oh, 4020 02:40:42.069 --> 02:40:44.229 like $ 300. We're going to try to re we're going 4021 02:40:44.250 --> 02:40:46.129 to try to license this movie and get it for Blu-ray. 4022 02:40:46.430 --> 02:40:49.790 Sometimes it works. Sometimes it didn't, but sometimes you go 4023 02:40:49.829 --> 02:40:50.129 by that. 4024 02:40:50.590 --> 02:40:50.770 Yeah. 4025 02:40:50.889 --> 02:40:53.129 Exploitation still sells like a lot. I think it would 4026 02:40:53.149 --> 02:40:54.690 actually do really, really well if they did it as 4027 02:40:54.770 --> 02:40:56.870 a set. And I was actually a little surprised because 4028 02:40:56.889 --> 02:40:58.229 it image, but that was kind of later in the game. 4029 02:40:58.250 --> 02:41:01.069 But when we're, you know, cause our sales team was 4030 02:41:01.090 --> 02:41:02.850 talking to Mike and we were like, let's try it. 4031 02:41:02.850 --> 02:41:04.170 Cause they were into doing box sets for a while. 4032 02:41:04.190 --> 02:41:06.790 Cause that's what stores want. Like again, Walmart borders all 4033 02:41:06.809 --> 02:41:09.500 that they wanted, you know, discounted sets and so we're 4034 02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:11.319 like how can we do these and something where mike 4035 02:41:11.340 --> 02:41:13.040 was to plot out how we could box set these 4036 02:41:13.059 --> 02:41:15.139 things and what can we call them you know so 4037 02:41:15.159 --> 02:41:16.420 we did like the storybook set. 4038 02:41:16.239 --> 02:41:19.020 You know the storybook yeah yeah that was a really fun. 4039 02:41:18.959 --> 02:41:21.440 One i love that set um but yeah they're all 4040 02:41:21.459 --> 02:41:22.799 these pre-existing discs that we had out there it's like 4041 02:41:22.819 --> 02:41:24.600 how can we just pack them together and did the 4042 02:41:24.620 --> 02:41:26.809 southern set yeah we did all those and yeah they 4043 02:41:26.829 --> 02:41:28.790 sold great so a lot of people still didn't have 4044 02:41:28.829 --> 02:41:30.370 those and we're like oh okay i'll gamble on getting 4045 02:41:30.389 --> 02:41:32.530 these you know these four or five you know dvds 4046 02:41:32.549 --> 02:41:34.950 because i get like nine movies or whatever you know 4047 02:41:34.969 --> 02:41:35.670 it was a great deal. 4048 02:41:36.469 --> 02:41:37.149 That is a good deal. 4049 02:41:37.170 --> 02:41:39.110 What was the one that Beast that Killed Women and 4050 02:41:39.250 --> 02:41:41.930 Monster Came Sunshine went into? Was it like Beasts and 4051 02:41:42.209 --> 02:41:45.430 Blondes or something? Something like that, yeah. 4052 02:41:45.450 --> 02:41:46.790 Beast and Beauties, I think. 4053 02:41:47.069 --> 02:41:49.649 Beast and Beauties, yeah, because I think Mighty Gorga might 4054 02:41:49.690 --> 02:41:53.079 have been in there. Maybe. I don't remember. Yeah, because 4055 02:41:53.100 --> 02:41:54.559 I just remember Beast that Killed Women was in there 4056 02:41:54.579 --> 02:41:56.540 and I was like, what a great way to fool 4057 02:41:56.559 --> 02:42:02.860 more people into watching this Barry Mahon movie. So, any 4058 02:42:02.899 --> 02:42:04.659 way to trick people into watching Barry Mahon. 4059 02:42:05.409 --> 02:42:07.290 Well, you know, it's all in the title. I mean, 4060 02:42:07.309 --> 02:42:09.299 that thing sold like crazy. That's all it takes. 4061 02:42:10.260 --> 02:42:12.639 That was something I would... Well, and that was always 4062 02:42:12.680 --> 02:42:15.440 something nice. All the Barry Mahon shorts that would just 4063 02:42:15.459 --> 02:42:18.819 show up randomly on basically every other release would have 4064 02:42:18.879 --> 02:42:21.420 a Barry Mahon short on there. And the Instant Moonshine 4065 02:42:21.459 --> 02:42:24.319 was on... Or Instant Orgy was on most of them, 4066 02:42:24.379 --> 02:42:29.250 I think. That was a go-to. Yeah. Or Naked Moonshine. 4067 02:42:29.270 --> 02:42:32.389 I think that's the other one, but... Yeah. Yeah, I 4068 02:42:32.430 --> 02:42:35.940 miss it. I miss the good old days. As a consumer... Ask. 4069 02:42:35.860 --> 02:42:39.450 Brett how the nude camera, nude Las Vegas is doing 4070 02:42:39.510 --> 02:42:41.770 just because of the title. I wonder if it's seen 4071 02:42:41.809 --> 02:42:44.200 a little uptick in sales because it has nude in the, 4072 02:42:44.450 --> 02:42:46.530 in the name or if that hurts it these days. 4073 02:42:46.590 --> 02:42:48.969 I don't know. People are scared. 4074 02:42:48.989 --> 02:42:51.690 The slip cover is good on that. Like, and I 4075 02:42:52.030 --> 02:42:54.590 can't believe the restoration work that went into that. Like, 4076 02:42:54.610 --> 02:42:56.540 cause when we got, we got our comp, we got 4077 02:42:56.579 --> 02:42:59.200 our comp copies on that. And I, I was excited 4078 02:42:59.219 --> 02:43:01.500 to hear Brett did commentary on the outtakes and his 4079 02:43:01.540 --> 02:43:05.110 commentary was essentially like, they had to recreate the movie 4080 02:43:05.149 --> 02:43:07.899 essentially for a lot of it from the 16 millimeter 4081 02:43:07.950 --> 02:43:10.579 originals that they found at the burlesque hall of fame 4082 02:43:10.620 --> 02:43:14.280 and museum. So most of the movie is from that 4083 02:43:14.280 --> 02:43:16.479 16 millimeter original, and then it cuts to a 35 4084 02:43:16.479 --> 02:43:18.639 print and you can see the difference, but like, that's 4085 02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:21.299 the best looking color Barry Mahon movie that we have 4086 02:43:21.340 --> 02:43:24.219 outside of the dead one on, on Blu-ray. And I, 4087 02:43:24.299 --> 02:43:26.180 that might be the way it is. I don't see 4088 02:43:26.219 --> 02:43:29.260 us getting a nice nudes on tiger reef or beast 4089 02:43:29.280 --> 02:43:33.989 to kill women, actually piece to kill women maybe, but, um, Yeah, 4090 02:43:34.190 --> 02:43:36.149 I don't know. I want the black and whites. I 4091 02:43:36.190 --> 02:43:40.750 want sex killer. I want prostitutes' protective society. Yes. Hot skin, 4092 02:43:40.790 --> 02:43:41.409 cold cash. 4093 02:43:41.709 --> 02:43:43.870 That'd be another good box set to do. 4094 02:43:44.750 --> 02:43:45.569 The black and white Mahons? 4095 02:43:45.610 --> 02:43:49.219 Put those all together, yep. Kind of like the, yeah, 4096 02:43:49.299 --> 02:43:52.459 the roughy Mahon era. Something like that, yeah. 4097 02:43:52.899 --> 02:43:53.079 Yeah. 4098 02:43:53.479 --> 02:43:56.340 So basically, you and I need, so Nathaniel, you and 4099 02:43:56.420 --> 02:44:02.500 I then need to basically... Do a group work on 4100 02:44:02.510 --> 02:44:05.139 Mondo Macabro to convince them to do the Isabel Sarli. 4101 02:44:06.280 --> 02:44:08.479 I will do whatever it takes to make that happen. 4102 02:44:09.100 --> 02:44:11.899 I know. Well, the thing was, I was begging Pete 4103 02:44:11.940 --> 02:44:16.340 and Andy for years. Now that Jared is so involved, 4104 02:44:16.520 --> 02:44:21.420 I'm like, Jared, let me reintroduce you to a suggestion 4105 02:44:21.440 --> 02:44:25.680 that I suggested for years. Maybe you'll be more receptive. Yeah, 4106 02:44:25.700 --> 02:44:27.239 I think he would be. But he also has Neon 4107 02:44:27.280 --> 02:44:29.920 Eagle now, so I don't know. He does a lot 4108 02:44:29.940 --> 02:44:32.899 of stuff for Neon Eagle, which I love, too. But, yeah, 4109 02:44:33.700 --> 02:44:38.180 I feel like Surly is a no-brainer. I say no-brainers 4110 02:44:38.200 --> 02:44:39.260 for a lot of stuff, but I'm like, well, I'd 4111 02:44:39.309 --> 02:44:42.090 buy it. But I guess the question is the marketability. 4112 02:44:42.129 --> 02:44:45.829 Yeah, we're coming from the perspective of fans as well. 4113 02:44:46.489 --> 02:44:49.889 But we also know that there are other factors going 4114 02:44:49.930 --> 02:44:51.530 into decisions. 4115 02:44:51.549 --> 02:44:54.809 I'm trying to think of crossover... Yeah. Like I'm thinking 4116 02:44:54.829 --> 02:44:58.430 of like market it to like Latin, Latin, Latin Spanish 4117 02:44:58.469 --> 02:45:02.430 speaking viewers who they potentially know who she is because 4118 02:45:02.489 --> 02:45:04.690 there were like Spanish language prints of her stuff that 4119 02:45:04.729 --> 02:45:08.209 would show in like Spanish only theaters in America. So 4120 02:45:08.229 --> 02:45:13.229 like they would potentially know who she is. I think, uh, yeah, 4121 02:45:13.250 --> 02:45:17.799 I mean, she's the Argentinian Elizabeth Taylor. Margo is that, 4122 02:45:17.819 --> 02:45:19.780 you know, she's in, she, yeah, I don't know. 4123 02:45:20.719 --> 02:45:20.979 Yeah. 4124 02:45:21.079 --> 02:45:24.559 It's kind of like, uh, Well, yeah, Gentry knows. Gentry's 4125 02:45:24.579 --> 02:45:26.520 writing the book on Annie Bell. I feel like there 4126 02:45:26.559 --> 02:45:30.610 are so many unsung women that don't really get any attention. 4127 02:45:31.489 --> 02:45:34.790 We can all love Laura Gemser, obviously, but then there's 4128 02:45:34.809 --> 02:45:39.610 people like Isabel Sarli or Dagmar Lissander that don't really 4129 02:45:39.649 --> 02:45:40.329 get enough attention. 4130 02:45:40.350 --> 02:45:45.500 Yeah, no kidding. Where's our Laura Blu-ray, by the way? 4131 02:45:46.139 --> 02:45:50.239 I've gotten, yeah, I am triggered. Yeah. 4132 02:45:50.909 --> 02:45:51.989 David Gregory. 4133 02:45:52.389 --> 02:45:52.549 Yeah. 4134 02:45:52.579 --> 02:45:54.790 They tried looking for the elements and they kind of disappeared. 4135 02:45:55.290 --> 02:45:55.870 Oh no. 4136 02:45:56.069 --> 02:45:56.469 Yeah. 4137 02:45:56.489 --> 02:45:57.930 I thought it was the rights owner. I thought it 4138 02:45:57.950 --> 02:45:58.870 was a rights owner issue. 4139 02:45:58.909 --> 02:46:00.549 The rights owner couldn't find the elements. 4140 02:46:00.809 --> 02:46:00.930 Yeah. 4141 02:46:00.989 --> 02:46:03.350 I looked back at the correspondence. 4142 02:46:03.969 --> 02:46:06.629 The rights owner problem was for Bluebell, right? Was that 4143 02:46:06.649 --> 02:46:08.549 the problem? Yeah. 4144 02:46:08.950 --> 02:46:12.389 But you know, it's always worth a shot to ask again. 4145 02:46:12.959 --> 02:46:15.329 That's what I say, you know, because they might turn up. 4146 02:46:15.420 --> 02:46:20.229 They might find him in another room, you know. Right. 4147 02:46:20.250 --> 02:46:22.049 Like the Acid Eaters commentary, like, yeah, he's checking in 4148 02:46:22.069 --> 02:46:23.610 fighters later. Like, oh, it's right in front of me 4149 02:46:23.629 --> 02:46:24.389 the whole time. 4150 02:46:24.450 --> 02:46:25.909 Yeah. Right. 4151 02:46:25.930 --> 02:46:29.010 Or, you know, that Love Camp 7 audio commentary, that 4152 02:46:29.049 --> 02:46:33.040 piece of that showed up on the Hotspur release. So, yeah, 4153 02:46:33.100 --> 02:46:36.040 these things show up. Well, actually, as Mr. 4154 02:46:36.079 --> 02:46:38.239 Caligula, I do have to ask you before we end. 4155 02:46:38.579 --> 02:46:41.440 What did you think of the ultimate cut of that? 4156 02:46:42.500 --> 02:46:42.959 Interesting. 4157 02:46:45.950 --> 02:46:50.110 I came from it as, I don't know. Well, you 4158 02:46:50.170 --> 02:46:53.170 might know because you were involved with the Blu-ray, which 4159 02:46:53.250 --> 02:46:55.500 is kind of the ultimate edition that's come out in general. 4160 02:46:56.680 --> 02:46:58.879 I don't know why they didn't ask Tinto Brass to 4161 02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:01.500 just recreate what he wanted to do. I don't know 4162 02:47:01.540 --> 02:47:02.959 if it's because he's too old. I don't know if 4163 02:47:02.979 --> 02:47:06.040 because he said no, but the fact that he basically 4164 02:47:06.100 --> 02:47:10.649 was vocally publicly saying, don't watch this. I was like, 4165 02:47:10.670 --> 02:47:12.549 I feel like this is a missed opportunity. I would 4166 02:47:12.569 --> 02:47:14.319 have liked to have seen what his was. I don't 4167 02:47:14.329 --> 02:47:16.180 know if Penthouse didn't want that, though. 4168 02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:16.840 That's the thing. 4169 02:47:16.879 --> 02:47:18.579 I don't know if there's still legal things where they're like, 4170 02:47:18.620 --> 02:47:19.440 keep him away from this. 4171 02:47:20.110 --> 02:47:22.500 No, it's not a legal thing. It is a long, 4172 02:47:22.819 --> 02:47:24.920 contentious story, which I can't say on the record. 4173 02:47:25.090 --> 02:47:28.159 I was going to say, maybe it's time to hit the. 4174 02:47:28.680 --> 02:47:30.299 I know. 4175 02:47:30.739 --> 02:47:31.379 I know. 4176 02:47:39.260 --> 02:47:40.159 Come on. 4177 02:48:08.659 --> 02:48:09.299 Thank you. 4178 02:48:42.350 --> 02:48:46.969 Oh girls, we can't just sit here feeling sorry for ourselves. 4179 02:48:52.530 --> 02:48:53.450 Thank you for listening. 4180 02:48:54.090 --> 02:48:57.670 To hear more shows from the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network, 4181 02:48:58.149 --> 02:48:59.809 please select the link in the description. 4182 02:49:04.879 --> 02:49:07.670 Hey everybody, this is Ryan from the New World Pictures Podcast, 4183 02:49:07.709 --> 02:49:10.610 where we're on a mission to watch every movie ever 4184 02:49:10.649 --> 02:49:13.510 made by New World Pictures. With me as always is Mark. 4185 02:49:13.850 --> 02:49:18.110 Every movie? Every movie! Every movie? From the Roger Corman 4186 02:49:18.139 --> 02:49:20.500 cult classics like Battle Beyond the Stars. 4187 02:49:21.520 --> 02:49:22.079 Help! 4188 02:49:22.180 --> 02:49:24.620 And the super weird stuff you've never even heard of 4189 02:49:24.659 --> 02:49:26.979 like Eat and Run. Makes your tongue want to say, hey, 4190 02:49:27.059 --> 02:49:28.459 it's nice in here. 4191 02:49:28.500 --> 02:49:30.350 Yes, Mark. Every movie. 4192 02:49:30.770 --> 02:49:31.370 And Erica. 4193 02:49:31.729 --> 02:49:32.709 Every movie? 4194 02:49:32.870 --> 02:49:34.889 Yes, Erica, every movie. 4195 02:49:35.329 --> 02:49:36.770 Every movie. 4196 02:49:36.829 --> 02:49:38.709 So we're still talking about Night 2. 4197 02:49:38.690 --> 02:49:39.729 I've seen it. 4198 02:49:40.090 --> 02:49:41.350 And all the bonus stuff too. 4199 02:49:41.409 --> 02:49:44.790 We're talking things we love, things we hated, favorite scenes, 4200 02:49:44.989 --> 02:49:48.229 inside jokes. And I know we're not at final questions, 4201 02:49:48.629 --> 02:49:50.809 but are we still talking about Ryan's research? 4202 02:49:51.030 --> 02:49:51.770 I know I am. 4203 02:49:52.010 --> 02:49:55.870 So check out our website, newworldpicturespodcast.com or subscribe to the 4204 02:49:55.909 --> 02:49:58.579 New World Pictures Podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts. 4205 02:49:58.799 --> 02:50:00.780 Follow us on the socials. And we'll see you next 4206 02:50:00.840 --> 02:50:03.420 time at the new world pictures podcast. Proud to be 4207 02:50:03.459 --> 02:50:05.969 a part of someone's favorite productions podcast network.