WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh it's showtime. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.560 When they go out to a theater, they want clothed sodas, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:15.960 hot popcorn, and no monsters. 5 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:19.199 In the protection booth, everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:45.359 Don at off, WHOOPI Goldberg. 7 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.200 She's just your average hard working burglar. 8 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.880 Is anybody hose. 9 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.560 Trying to turn a little what's behind gusting number one 10 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:55.079 this time? 11 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.759 Oh, this is very nice man. 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.479 Instead of making a killing, she's going to witness one. 13 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:09.079 And for an independent woman, she suddenly got quite a following. 14 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:11.640 You see that guy out there. 15 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:13.439 That's my part. 16 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.519 I'm going out of the honest. 17 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.879 So this is really hip like the Brothers do It, 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:20.359 met It and Father. 19 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:30.280 Wood bobwait clear the sidewalk the city of San Francisco. 20 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.799 Thanks you, And I think it's a burglar. 21 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:50.040 Tom a first rate comedy about a second story woman burglar. 22 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:56.120 When you carryou to take the very bed, Dad to 23 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.439 stop doing this stuff. 24 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.439 Welcome to the projection Booth. I'm your host. Mike White 25 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.599 joined me once again as mister Colin Gallagher had he 26 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.560 also with me this whole month long? Is mister Kevin Lahane. 27 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.639 And I get more asked in a toilet seat, olh Mike. 28 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.599 We continue Whoop Brewery a month looking at some WHOOPI 29 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.719 Goldberg films with nineteen eighty seven's Burglar, written and directed 30 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.960 by Hugh Wilson with some writing help by Matthew Weisman 31 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.400 and Jeff Loeb. The film as an adaptation of Lawrence 32 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:40.360 Block's thirteen book series about Burglar Bernie rodenbar Here. Bernie 33 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.240 is Bernice, also played by Whoopy in another film That's 34 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.199 a Who's Who, a familiar faces, including her sole confidante, 35 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.639 Carl Heffler played by Bobcat Goldwaite in full Bobcat mode, 36 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.479 and Roy Kershman played by g. W. Bailey. We will 37 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.159 be spoiling the twists and turns of Burglar as we 38 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.599 go ahead, So if you don't want anything ruined, just 39 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.319 go ahead and stop the podcast right now. All right, 40 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.280 if you're still with us, Colin, when was the first 41 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.840 time you saw Burglar? And what did you think? 42 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:13.400 First time was actually a week ago. When I got 43 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.360 the opportunity, thanks to you, Mike, to join you all 44 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.560 for this, I was thrilled because I absolutely love Lawrence Block, 45 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.680 I absolutely love the Bernie books, and I had actually 46 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.879 forgotten this adaptation existed because no one really seems to 47 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.439 talk about it if they and I feel like the 48 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.719 only the few people I had heard talk about it 49 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.680 kind of like quickly moved the conversation away from it. 50 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.479 I was delighted to find things that I really liked 51 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.439 about the movie. I thought Whoopee was great. I really 52 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.840 like Bobcat. You can get more into it later. 53 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:47.599 I thought. 54 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.960 The weirdest thing for me was as an adaptation, it 55 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.680 makes a lot of very strange decisions. But I'm coming 56 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.759 at this from a Block fan. I feel like, if 57 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.520 you're adapting a Bernie book, the thing that's really difficult 58 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.960 is you don't have blocks narration, that first person voice. 59 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.919 And as a reader, when I read blocks books, for me, 60 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.159 first and foremost, it's for his voice. It's very musical. 61 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.520 If you read his early sex novels up through his emails, 62 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.120 they all sound like Bernie or or Scott like. He 63 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.839 just has a voice that permeates these different characters. For me, 64 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.079 Block is such a New York writer and one of 65 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:27.519 the greatest writers of New York, and so to have 66 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.480 this taken out of New York was very jarring for me. 67 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.759 And then of course, I love his characters, and if 68 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.480 I were reading Block it's for me, it's the voice, 69 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:42.240 the characters, New York, and the plot blast and this 70 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.240 movie like upends that in a weird way, like it 71 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.040 completely gets rid of his narration, it gets rid of 72 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.240 New York, it's rid of a lot of details from 73 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.560 the book and puts the plot first and the foremost. 74 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:57.720 So that's it. 75 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:02.319 I did enjoy it, just a strange, an unexpected adaptation. 76 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:04.319 And Kevin, how about yourself? 77 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:07.399 And I also saw it for the first time this week, 78 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.560 and I'm coming it from a totally different angle to 79 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:14.720 yourself because I've never read any Lawrence Block books, so 80 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:19.240 I had nothing to judge this against other than the 81 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:21.480 film that we watched last week. So I was just 82 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.800 viewing this purely as a whoopy Goldberg Star vehicle and 83 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.199 was completely ignorant to the fact that it was even 84 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.160 racewapped and gender swapped. So I was just looking at 85 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.839 this totally as a film and judging it on its terms. 86 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.000 And yeah, I also really enjoyed it. But I have 87 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.639 to say, just going by what you're saying, it sounds 88 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.800 like I'm missing a whole character from the film, which 89 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.519 is interesting. Because I actually wasn't able to track what 90 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:47.879 was going on in this film until I read the script. 91 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.439 So the script massively helped me in understanding it, and 92 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.439 I watched the film twice. I'm coming at it from 93 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:56.759 an ignorant film fans point of view. 94 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.399 I'm so glad you said that, because so mye with 95 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.560 this movies. I saw it not at the theater, but 96 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.399 I probably saw it shortly thereafter, maybe on cable or 97 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.480 VHS or something, and I've kind of grown up with 98 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.519 this film. I watch it every few years. It's kind 99 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.600 of like the other Whoopie films that we're talking about 100 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.079 this month, with the exception of the last one, which 101 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.959 was a brand new film for me, but when it 102 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:22.639 comes to these first three, with Jump a Jack, Flash, Burglar, 103 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.360 and Fatal Beauty, they were kind of in a rotation 104 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.839 for me, and that's why I glombed onto them and 105 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.160 wanted to do this month, just because I do enjoy 106 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:35.319 these films, even though I really shouldn't enjoy Burglar as much, because, 107 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.319 like you, Kevin, I had no idea what the heck 108 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.319 was going on throughout so much of it. It was 109 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.399 just kind of an experience that I just would follow along, 110 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.519 and I guess this kind of makes sense, and oh, 111 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.160 here's Roy Kushman again, and I don't know what Bobcat's 112 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.680 up to, but okay, this is still kind of fun. 113 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.800 And yeah, until I listened to the books and then 114 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.079 read the script, I was like, oh, okay, now it 115 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.240 starts to make a lot more sense. But really it 116 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:05.000 is hung together so loosely that it was just like, what, 117 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.439 what's going on? How does this Work's? She owns a bookstore, 118 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.040 but we barely ever go back there. I think there's 119 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.920 like two three scenes in there, and it's you know, 120 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.279 you barely get that she is the one that runs 121 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.120 that bookstore. For a while, I was like, is she 122 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.600 an employee? No, she really runs this place. And then 123 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.959 what's going on with the counterfeit stuff that comes in 124 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.279 later in the film. It just feels so loose, And 125 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.120 I'm really glad now I have only listened to the 126 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.920 first three Bernie books now, and I really enjoyed those, 127 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.439 and I look forward to diving into more of those, because, 128 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:40.600 like you, Colin, this is a character I think I 129 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.560 can really get into. 130 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.720 You have even more great books ahead once and socially, 131 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.560 once you know the third book hits. I think Block 132 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.279 really figures out who his characters are, what is the template, 133 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.759 and it stays golden all the way to the end. 134 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:00.399 And the most recent book Burler read, Frederick Brown, is 135 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.639 a really touching conclusion to the series. 136 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:04.560 So no spoilers about that. 137 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.079 Bernice in this movie is not a very good burglar, 138 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.399 Like every time she goes into some place, except for 139 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.600 maybe the last time she breaks into a place, otherwise 140 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.040 she's constantly being walked in. We see that at the 141 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.120 very beginning with her going to this kind of ritzy place, 142 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.720 and again it starts off with like a voiceover of 143 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.879 Ray Kershman, the GW. Bailey character, calling her, and so 144 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.279 we don't see him, we don't see her. Luckily, we 145 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.639 know this is a Whoopie Goldberg movie, so we recognize 146 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.879 her voice. And it's just the shot of fog covered 147 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.039 San Francisco and him saying you have to go now. 148 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.960 And I'm like, what is their relationship because the relationship 149 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.440 of Ray and Bernice in this movie is I think 150 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.159 very different than what it is in the books, where 151 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.159 Ray he does have some power because he's a police 152 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.039 officer and can help her out, but he's like it's 153 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.679 kind of like those cops that would come in and 154 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.279 wake up Sam Spade or something where it's just like 155 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.639 there's a grudging respect, but there isn't any sort of 156 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.279 respect here. And in fact, when Ray Kershman comes into 157 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.600 her bookshop and calls her a peckin any I'm just well, 158 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.120 that's it, Like this guy's a racist piece of shit, 159 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.600 Like I don't want him in this movie anymore. 160 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.480 Basically, but it allows Whoopee to play one of her 161 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.519 several personas and characters in this film, which he does 162 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.639 so well. But just as you're saying that, you know, 163 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:34.240 going back to having read the script and figuring out 164 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.440 more of what the story was about, I actually think 165 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.679 it's a much better written script than it is a 166 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.559 well directed film, because there's an awful lot of details 167 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.519 that are dropped in the execution, Like when you talk 168 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.360 about her owning a bookstore, there's a lovely detail in 169 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.960 the script which I totally missed in the film, and 170 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.200 maybe it's, you know, something that's in the books. I'm 171 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.639 sure it is, but that the bookstore is a front 172 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.600 for her making keys and burglar locks and alarms, and 173 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.639 I thought, ah, that's a clever front for a cap 174 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.279 boarder and you don't really get that. It's it's just 175 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.720 this master shot where it's a little subtitle on the signage, 176 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.240 but in the script it spelled up for you, and 177 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.159 I was like, Ah, never noticed that. Could have directed 178 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:12.720 that a little better. 179 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.279 That's a really great point. That's a good detail to 180 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.320 pick up on. Whoopy has so much fun with the 181 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.799 Bernie character, and that's to me what really held the 182 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:25.720 movie together is seeing her jump in out of character, 183 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:30.360 putting on these different voices and disguises. She's just such 184 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.639 a pleasure, you know, to watch and perform. 185 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.320 It's like she's jumping from an Eddie Murphy type persona 186 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.080 to a Richer Prior type persona, and it's a lot. 187 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:40.320 You can tell she's having fun. 188 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:42.879 Yeah, she has to do this whole thing where when 189 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.039 she is caught in certain places, like she's about to 190 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.720 pick the artist's lock and he opens up the door 191 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.600 and finds her there, and she has to suddenly become 192 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.879 almost like this crackhead type character. 193 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.600 Hey, what's her, nay Man, I'm looking for the apartment 194 00:10:57.679 --> 00:10:58.879 of Nita Boudet. 195 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.200 The very beginning scene that I was talking about, where 196 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:10.000 she's burglarizing this very big estate on RaSE orders basically, 197 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.360 and she dresses up as like an old maid, as 198 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.759 in not somebody who's not married, but like a actual servant, 199 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.159 and she's got the wig on and padded button. She's 200 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:24.279 just kind of moseying down the street and that's a 201 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.759 great cover. And then she gets to use that when 202 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:30.960 she accidentally again gets discovered. Yeah, I love that. I 203 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.720 love that she does get to do this, and it's 204 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.639 very similar to what we were talking about last week, 205 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.519 where she gets to go through all of these different 206 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.559 personas and it's very much you know, like with Jump 207 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.559 and Jack Flash, it's a kind of another intrigue type thing, 208 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.200 but with this one, she's more of the anti hero 209 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:47.399 or yeah, I guess she's kind of an anti hero 210 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:51.080 thief being our main character. But she's so delightful to 211 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.399 watch in this. But I totally agree with you, Kevin 212 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.879 the script and the script is interesting because the script 213 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.200 was dated that I read and that you read, I 214 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.679 think twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six. It said final draft 215 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:04.000 on it. 216 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.559 There's no, it's definitely a final draft. It's very it's 217 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:08.720 very similar. 218 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.799 To it's so similar, and so I'm like, well, where 219 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.559 did Weismann and Lobe come in. What did they do? Like? 220 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.279 Even the voice of the Carl character is very bobcat Goldthwaite, 221 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.759 and which is I would think really tough to write, 222 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.000 but that kind of circular logic and kind of comming 223 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.879 at things from different angles. He seems to capture that. 224 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.000 Wilson seems to really capture that voice in the script. 225 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.720 Although one of his best scenes is entirely ad libbed, 226 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.919 because I was comparing the script to the moment where 227 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.440 he's trying to get Nabby's signature when they're on this 228 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.480 whole quest to figure out who's connected to who and 229 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.679 who leads where Carol is pretending to be like a 230 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.720 ups guy, I think, and he needs a signature. And 231 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.440 in the script it's very much like him playing on 232 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:56.279 the sympathy, angling like please I need this job and 233 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.480 you know my wife and all this kind of stuff. 234 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.320 And what he does in the scene and is he 235 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.159 just plays deranged. He he goes crazy. 236 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.159 Tagget's delivery just just made it. 237 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.000 No tickets, you gotta sign point. 238 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.519 Kin be Knobe? Is that like in the Star Wars? 239 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.200 No idiot it's Knobby. 240 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.159 Oh, so it's like a nickname. 241 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.120 Yes, I think maybe it's something like that. Well, I'm 242 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:24.840 gonna need your full name please. 243 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:30.039 Sorry, come on, it's the regulations. Hey fuck you, okay. 244 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.840 Fucking you, thank you very much. 245 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.200 I come here to give you a fucking package, and 246 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.799 you decide to blow me ship like like like like 247 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.679 like like like you're my idea of a dream come true, 248 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.000 making ship from a build out with as you. 249 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.919 Know, when I was like five, is to dad, Dad, 250 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:45.600 can I get. 251 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.320 A job where random fucking ship has blow me scrap 252 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:48.759 all day? 253 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.480 I'm gonna break you and fucking happen. Use your head 254 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.440 as a ballpoint. Now sign the top down right. 255 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:01.000 All right, all right, I'll sign a thing. Jesus's pretty name. 256 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:04.759 Thank you. 257 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.000 I want to see some many pal, you know what 258 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.399 I mean, like get some sort of professional help. 259 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.399 Okay, thank you very much. 260 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.879 And it's far more entertaining and funny. But yeah, so 261 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:18.799 there was leeway though. 262 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.639 I also very much liked the scene in the where 263 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:27.159 he's being interrogated by John Goodman, which I also feel 264 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:27.879 like that's. 265 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.440 That's not in the script either. That's that's a scene 266 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.120 that I think they just dropped in there. 267 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.200 I thought that was in the script, and that he 268 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.919 licked the window. I thought that was this thing rather 269 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.440 than sticking his face up and blowing. But I could 270 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:40.120 be wrong on that. 271 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:42.840 No, it was slightly different. 272 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:45.759 Wally Cots falling. 273 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.519 Apparently there's something a little bit more mysterious about the 274 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.759 secret Square has ever let them believe? 275 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.879 And I'm a to cop dude, guy, I'm watching answers 276 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.000 from product you play. 277 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:01.000 How beautiful? 278 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.279 I'm I'm being fu I come in. 279 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.440 You signed a release form for that earlier mister held 280 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.759 so that. 281 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.240 Such a condiscending fuck book. 282 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:13.720 I'm sorry. 283 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:14.279 I mean that. 284 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.720 I hope it was like when I said that, kind 285 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:17.679 of smacking a little. 286 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.159 The dialogue in the script is quite good, but I 287 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:25.360 feel like every line reading Bobcat gives a little something extra. 288 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.759 I mean, a little Bobcat goes a long way for me. 289 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.519 But I just I always enjoyed that persona that he 290 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:34.799 was doing, and for me, he was kind of the 291 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:38.039 best parts of the Police Academy films. And it's funny 292 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.279 that so Hugh Wilson, the writer director of this, he 293 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.639 wrote and directed the first Police Academy and I forgot 294 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.039 the Bobcat isn't old? Isn't in that one? That he 295 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.360 comes in is it two and four? I think it's 296 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.600 been forever since I've seen that, and then eventually becomes 297 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:55.840 part of the police force and everything after. He's a 298 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.639 villain in the second one, I think. But G. W. 299 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.799 Biley is in that first one obviously, and I think 300 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.960 that's where the connection is to have him in here. 301 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.519 And I love him even though he's a racist jerk 302 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.120 in this movie and just in it for himself. I 303 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.080 just I love that actor. I always enjoy him and 304 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:16.279 just how how skeazy he can be. And when they 305 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.159 get in that big fight later on, you know, with 306 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.240 the where he does call her a name and she 307 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.399 starts to fight him and everything. I think that whole 308 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.480 scene is great, especially when it goes crazy and starts 309 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.080 attacking the screen door after she you know, gets herself 310 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:30.559 out of there. 311 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.559 Was he a disgraced police officer who's no longer on 312 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.720 the force or is he just double dealing because I 313 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.840 couldn't I couldn't pass that from the script or from 314 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:40.200 the film. 315 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.360 In the book, he is not. 316 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.360 He's very much an active member of the police force, 317 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.799 but he will take a bribe, like when he's caught 318 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.159 Bernie in the very first book, Bernie's Scott I think 319 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.080 a thousand dollars what he calls walking away money, and 320 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.600 he ends up paying that to Ray and his partner, 321 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.519 and then they he's able to get out there, and 322 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.080 then unfortunately they find a dead body in another room 323 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.960 that Bernie wessn't aware of, and then that screws up 324 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.240 the deal a little bit. But Reza was there to 325 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.920 be on the take, and he does want a fur 326 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.400 coat for his wife. That is definitely part of the 327 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.599 third book book. But I don't think he's really disgraced. 328 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.319 But yeah, to your point, as far as what the 329 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.240 movie is, it feels like he might have been disgraced, 330 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.000 and it feels like those two cops, the one played 331 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.599 by John Goodman and the other one played by Ann DeSalvo, 332 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.079 those two cops, it feels like they are looking down 333 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.039 on him because he might have been a cop at 334 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.519 one point and had been kicked out of the force. 335 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:39.640 At least that's how I feel. 336 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:45.839 In the book, Block describes Ray as quote or but dishonest, 337 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.000 which I think just kind of gives you the idea 338 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.359 that he's not only a crooked cop, but he's not 339 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.799 smart about it. And when the two cops are sort 340 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.839 of going into one of the apartments looking for Bernie. 341 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.880 Bernie escapes, and Ray is at downstairs waiting as if 342 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.720 he knows that Bernie's going to elude you know, the 343 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.480 people he's there with, and he sort of drives away 344 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.039 to you know, go around the block, and that's where 345 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.079 he sort of is like, I know you did this. 346 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.880 All I want on is half and it's just like, man, 347 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.279 you're a shady cop. You're there with a couple buddies 348 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.319 and you're you're willing to sell them out just for 349 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.119 a little bit of stolen loot for yourself. 350 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.960 Yeah, And the way that he rolls over on her 351 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.559 and lets cops know where she's going to be kind 352 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.079 of sets her up. I think he kind of knows 353 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:37.160 that she's going to escape when she's like, oh, I 354 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.160 got to go to the bathroom, and he doesn't do 355 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:41.839 anything to stop her. He just lets her go. And 356 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.359 then when she comes tearing out of this alleyway on 357 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.039 a motorcycle cop motorcycle, he's like all right, and they're off. 358 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.559 I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad that you are not 359 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.400 trying to stop her, and then he actively helps her 360 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.440 at the end of course with the idea of him. 361 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:58.839 I love how he's like, oh, yeah, I stopped by 362 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.400 the guy's car and got all the jewelry out of 363 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.359 the trunk, and she's like, you did that rather than 364 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:03.839 helping me. 365 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:05.920 So it's funny. 366 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.440 I was watching My Blueberry Nights last night of the 367 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.200 Wangkar Wi film that Lawrence Block wrote, and one of 368 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:17.200 the segments is Nora Jones working at a casino and 369 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.839 Natalie Portman plays a gambler, and of course Natalie Portman 370 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.599 goes busted and she talks Nora Jones into giving her 371 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:28.200 all of her money for another stake. Natalie Portman is like, ah, 372 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:30.400 lost that again. He sort of takes her on this 373 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.119 road trip and at the end, the moral that Natalie 374 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:38.400 Portman delivers is don't ever trust a gambler. And I 375 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:43.000 feel like that movie is very Wangkar Why. But there's 376 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.279 a lot of Block and that sort of dynamic reminds 377 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.279 me of Ray and Bernie. You can't ever fully trust 378 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:54.599 Ray because he's a gambler and not literally, but he's 379 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.880 gonna play whatever side might work for him. And yeah, 380 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.880 that balance, you know, it is very interesting. 381 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.240 He's also a bit of a heel in this film, 382 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.920 he gets his ass kicked multiple times, and it feels 383 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.039 like that balances things owed a little bit. 384 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.759 So apparently this was another one that was turned down 385 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.519 by Bruce Willis, which is funny because that was the 386 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.160 same thing with Jump and Jack Flash, but with this 387 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:24.000 one they swapped it out both race and gender for her, 388 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.359 but then also swapped out because in the book it's 389 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.160 the third book, the burglar who quoted Kipling were introduced 390 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.559 to Caroline, and Caroline now becomes Carl, so they gender 391 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.599 swap her buddy as well, which is interesting because Caroline 392 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.119 is a very open lesbian and this being when was 393 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:44.440 that book at like seventy nine or something. I mean, 394 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:47.880 that was great that they had this very open lesbian character. 395 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.039 He treated her with a lot of respect, which I 396 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:53.880 was very happy about. A block that is, so they 397 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:58.039 gender swapped Bernice from Bernie to Bernice. They go from 398 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:02.240 Caroline to Carl, but then doctor Sheldrakes also gender swapped 399 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.640 the Leslie and Horn character and she comes in through 400 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.039 kind of again a side channel where it's not that 401 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:14.160