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Speaker 3: How are we doing, brother, man, I'm doing good. Thanks
Speaker 3: for asking, Bobby.
Speaker 2: I gotta start with this. We'll get to Louisville. They
Speaker 2: haven't really played anybody, so it's tough to kind of know.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to Kentucky, you know, it could
Speaker 2: always be worse, right, Like, that's one of those things
Speaker 2: that I truly do believe anytime you say, well, it
Speaker 2: can't get worse than this, that's an invitation for it to,
Speaker 2: in fact and get worse. But the way it played
Speaker 2: out for Mark Stoops and his team against South Carolina,
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of get why people would say, Man,
Speaker 2: that couldn't have been worse. Just your thoughts overall on
Speaker 2: what happened Saturday in Lexington.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think it was an all systems failure. Look,
Speaker 3: their schedule is already brutal to begin with, Like, it's
Speaker 3: absolutely brutal, and so if you're going to have a
Speaker 3: decent season, or you know, you want to get to
Speaker 3: you know, top twenty five, respectable whatever this year, you've
Speaker 3: got to win your fifty to fifty games. And South
Speaker 3: Carolina was considered one of those kind of fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty games and they've lost it the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: and that's kind of been an indicator of what their
Speaker 3: season has been. But those games have been relatively close
Speaker 3: going to the fourth quarter. They've had chances whatever, they
Speaker 3: should have won a game, you know what I mean. Saturday,
Speaker 3: second week of the season, packed house place was raucous
Speaker 3: at the beginning. They get blown out thirty one to six.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't that's not great, not at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, and and to be honest with you, Nick,
Speaker 3: I mean offensively, you know, they got out outside of
Speaker 3: maybe like a series where they had success running the
Speaker 3: ball eleven straight times, they got absolutely dominated and it
Speaker 3: was almost like and all of that is up front,
Speaker 3: Like we can talk so much about wide receivers and
Speaker 3: running backs and quarterbacks. I mean, if we're being honest,
Speaker 3: like that's the sexy topic, right sure, Offensive and d
Speaker 3: defensive lines or what win you football games? That's what
Speaker 3: it's what takes you to championships. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Like we can get enamored with play callers and this
Speaker 3: and this, but if you've got guys getting the job
Speaker 3: done in the trenches, you're gonna be good. On the
Speaker 3: flip side of that, if you've got guys getting whipped
Speaker 3: both inside and outside up front, You've got no chance.
Speaker 3: And I mean Brock Brock Vandergriff like the first couple series.
Speaker 3: You know, he was hitting that third and fifth step
Speaker 3: on the drop and they were there. Ye, there was.
Speaker 3: There was just nothing you can do almost every time,
Speaker 3: almost every time. And I and you know, I kind
Speaker 3: of think at some point, like at some point in
Speaker 3: the second quarter, he was already seeing ghosts, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like he wasn't looking downfield, he was
Speaker 3: looking for the rush. And then you might as well
Speaker 3: scrap the passing game because you got no chance from
Speaker 3: that that point on. And so now now I would
Speaker 3: also say this, it is I totally get that he
Speaker 3: was seeing ghosts. But if you're going to be elite,
Speaker 3: you never see those ghosts. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Totally makes sense.
Speaker 3: There are dudes like if you're one of those dudes,
Speaker 3: you're still able to stand back that even though you've
Speaker 3: gotten the heck beat out of you all day, and
Speaker 3: still being able to keep your eyes down the field. So,
Speaker 3: like I said, it was, you know, especially from an
Speaker 3: offensive standpoint, it was an all systems failure. On the
Speaker 3: other side of the football, for them. You know, look,
Speaker 3: they've got veteran guys blowing coverages. That's also not great,
Speaker 3: especially against the South Carolina team, which look proof. Will
Speaker 3: eventually be in the pudding and we'll figure out what
Speaker 3: this South Carolina team is down the road once they
Speaker 3: play more games. I don't think they're very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they And here's what was what was scary for
Speaker 2: Kentucky is that I don't even think they looked good
Speaker 2: in beating you thirty one to six. I mean, clearly
Speaker 2: they took advantage of some mistakes that you made. They
Speaker 2: were really able to get after you in your quarterback, and.
Speaker 4: They were good.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be good up front defensively, and they
Speaker 2: certainly looked that way on Saturday. I thought of you.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that big blue wall people have talked about
Speaker 2: for years, and yet that big blue wall has not
Speaker 2: been as effective, and it was anything but a big
Speaker 2: blue wall on Saturday. I mean, is that I mean,
Speaker 2: is that personnel? Is that is that schematic?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing for them to not be
Speaker 2: the strength of the team, but they were. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were bullied in a way that really I've never
Speaker 2: seen a Mark Stubs offensive line play that poorly. I know.
Speaker 2: There was the one of the guys who works for
Speaker 2: the Ringer just doing some some recap of college football
Speaker 2: this past weekend. He made the claim that he's never
Speaker 2: seen a defensive line dominate an offensive line in a
Speaker 2: college football game quite like what he saw on Saturday,
Speaker 2: And it sounds like an exaggeration, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe not well.
Speaker 3: Look, I think I think in one aspect, like to
Speaker 3: be quite honest with you, like Kentucky was able to
Speaker 3: run the ball pretty good, you know, all things considered right,
Speaker 3: Like they were able to at least move the sticks
Speaker 3: on occasions runt of the ball. They just couldn't pass.
Speaker 3: And so once you become one dimensional, than the other
Speaker 3: team could just kind of pin their ears back. But
Speaker 3: they've got look, they've got major, major pass blocking issues.
Speaker 3: And you've got to be able to be balanced in offense.
Speaker 3: It's whatever conference that you're playing in, you better be
Speaker 3: somewhat balanced to be able to keep somebody on their
Speaker 3: on their heels. I think, especially in the SEC with
Speaker 3: those defenses and and and what you'll go again, specially
Speaker 3: against you know that high level competition, you know, like
Speaker 3: you know the Georgia's of the week, you know, this
Speaker 3: week in Texas later and you know, uh, some of
Speaker 3: the teams that they'll they'll face later in their in
Speaker 3: their season, so you know, they they're going to have
Speaker 3: to figure out some things pass, block and wise. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I just think that they are on their fourth offense.
Speaker 3: I want to say, maybe I'm wrong, fourth or fifth
Speaker 3: offensive system in as many years now. Liam Cohen came
Speaker 3: back for a second one, but there was a lot
Speaker 3: of dudes that weren't around his first time around, and
Speaker 3: so like, they've just been changing so much upfront, it's
Speaker 3: hard to keep any kind of continuity whatsoever. You know,
Speaker 3: guys could go through a system change, you know, once
Speaker 3: or twice at college and they can be fine. But
Speaker 3: it's just it's just been a lot for them, and
Speaker 3: I think it, to be honest with you, Dick, I
Speaker 3: think it's kind of caught up to them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think with Kentucky, you know, as a Louisville
Speaker 2: fan myself, I'd love to sit here and say that
Speaker 2: they stink and you're only as good as your record shows, right,
Speaker 2: I believe that, But I think from a personnel standpoint,
Speaker 2: maybe not in the offensive line, but in a lot
Speaker 2: of other areas, I think they have really good talent.
Speaker 2: Now again, if you don't produce, then I guess it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. But I felt like this was one
Speaker 2: of those years where from a personnel standpoint, I think
Speaker 2: Kentucky could have a record that they wouldn't be pleased with,
Speaker 2: but they could chalk it up as well. We did
Speaker 2: happen to get a bad year of SEC scheduling where
Speaker 2: we play some really, really really good teams. We got
Speaker 2: Ole miss and they're now in the top five Texas,
Speaker 2: they're as good as they've been in a long time.
Speaker 2: First year in the SEC, they're on the schedule. But
Speaker 2: like South Carolina, that's what makes it to moral. That
Speaker 2: was a game not only that was kind of viewed
Speaker 2: as a fifty to fifty Kentucky I think by by
Speaker 2: just about everybody was expected to win that game and
Speaker 2: they just had a terrible result.
Speaker 3: Uh yes, and so I think everybody. I mean I
Speaker 3: talked because we have the Kentucky Georgia games on our air,
Speaker 3: we had an opportunity to talk to Chris Dorian today,
Speaker 3: Uh from the SEC you know network to kind of
Speaker 3: preview the game, and you know, Mark Stoops kind of
Speaker 3: walked this, walked his statement back after the game on
Speaker 3: Saturday that says, you know, he didn't have fight back
Speaker 3: and then he said, well, I take that back, well
Speaker 3: and this and this and this, and Dorian was like, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it, Like I get what we're saying,
Speaker 3: but I didn't. I didn't see it. I just didn't
Speaker 3: see a whole lot of fight. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: players can put that back in a given week through
Speaker 3: practice and getting ready for a game. You can put
Speaker 3: us a loss like that behind you. You could, you could,
Speaker 3: you know, just chalk it up to it was a
Speaker 3: bad day and they can move forward, where maybe fans
Speaker 3: and media members you know, do not. They just always
Speaker 3: remember what that was. But what happens is is on Saturday,
Speaker 3: when Georgia does something great early and it's Georgia, so
Speaker 3: they're gonna do something great early, do you say here
Speaker 3: we go again. And when you start saying here we
Speaker 3: go again, man, it gets real bad, real quick, especially
Speaker 3: against the number one ranked team of the country.
Speaker 2: One more on Kentucky. When it comes to Marx Stoops,
Speaker 2: I remember we talked about this right before the fall
Speaker 2: camp started, and you made a good point as far
Speaker 2: as Mark Stoops is one of those coaches that you
Speaker 2: cover in this market, along with Jeff Walls, that will
Speaker 2: just tell you exactly what it is. Hey, we're buying players.
Speaker 2: That's that's what this is. And I can appreciate that transparency.
Speaker 2: I think some of his comments about how much work
Speaker 2: goes into really budgeting your roster, it is putting a
Speaker 2: lot on the on the plate of a coach that
Speaker 2: didn't used to have to worry about that. However, I
Speaker 2: get the sense that not that he's necessarily I think
Speaker 2: it'd be a stretch to say he's checked out. And
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not, you know, embedded within the Lexington market
Speaker 2: in the Kentucky football program. But I just don't get
Speaker 2: the sense that he's got a chip on his shoulder,
Speaker 2: a hunger about him that used to be there. Just
Speaker 2: curious your your thoughts on that. I mean, obviously he
Speaker 2: still wants to win. He's a competitor. He wouldn't be
Speaker 2: in the position that he's in if he didn't have that.
Speaker 2: But I just the way that his team played Saturday,
Speaker 2: and it's not all on him. These guys got to
Speaker 2: take some accountability as well. But to go back to
Speaker 2: what Dora and said, like, I didn't see a fight
Speaker 2: from them that I really hadn't. I mean, usually even
Speaker 2: in games where they get beat pretty bad by good teams,
Speaker 2: you see a fight that you just wasn't there Saturday.
Speaker 2: And I'm curious if maybe that maybe their coach is
Speaker 2: rubbing off on him a little bit.
Speaker 4: Just curious.
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on the temperament of Mark Stoops as
Speaker 2: he's entering what is this is a twelfth year maybe
Speaker 2: at Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And he gets paid nine million dollars a year, a
Speaker 3: lot of money, and so you know, you get paid
Speaker 3: nine million dollars a year and what eight nine? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, those are awesome seasons at
Speaker 3: at at Kentucky. So and sometimes you can hit that
Speaker 3: ten wood Mark. Here's what I here's what I think.
Speaker 3: I think. That's that's a that's a very you know,
Speaker 3: that's a good observation that you just made. Because at
Speaker 3: the end of that Louisville game last year, he was
Speaker 3: taking the Texas A and M job, he thought he
Speaker 3: was gone gone, he was gone, right, And so the
Speaker 3: way I look at it is, you know, obviously things
Speaker 3: didn't work out he's he's back in Lexington. He's still
Speaker 3: making nine million dollars a year. He's got a he's
Speaker 3: got a recruiting coordinator, tight ends coach that makes one
Speaker 3: point three million dollars a year in Vince Merrow. Are
Speaker 3: your teams prepared? That's really the indicator, right, I think
Speaker 3: of a coach, are they ready to play? And are
Speaker 3: they prepared? And so you know, generally under Stoops, they've
Speaker 3: always had one game a year where you can't you
Speaker 3: can't explain it. They just kind of lay an egg.
Speaker 3: And so I think last year you could look back
Speaker 3: at the South Carolina game, which I heard that loss
Speaker 3: absolutely gutted him because that was a bad South Carolina
Speaker 3: team and they couldn't answer the bell to beat that team,
Speaker 3: and they just they they were just they they were
Speaker 3: undisciplined that game. They didn't follow a game plan like
Speaker 3: all of that. But that all comes back to coaching,
Speaker 3: and so I think that they should have beat Missouri
Speaker 3: last year at Kroger Field. They didn't do it. I
Speaker 3: don't think they were really prepared for that game, especially
Speaker 3: after the fake punt, And so that comes back to coaching,
Speaker 3: and so are you are you dialed in as much
Speaker 3: as you were when when you had the guys like
Speaker 3: Will Levis on your campus and even before that, are
Speaker 3: you as dialed in and are you putting in the
Speaker 3: same amount of work that you did then? Now? I
Speaker 3: think it's a very you know, curious question. And also
Speaker 3: like if your guys don't come out prepared, there's your
Speaker 3: answer right there because you're not putting in the time
Speaker 3: to get them prepared.
Speaker 2: Good answer, good stuff. Ken Spencer's our guest here from
Speaker 2: w WHS eleven. When it comes to Louisville, they've yet
Speaker 2: to play an opponent that really tells us a whole lot.
Speaker 2: What would you if you had one word to describe
Speaker 2: what you've observed thus far with Jeff Brom's team this year,
Speaker 2: what would it be solid?
Speaker 3: They've taken care of business, They've been solid. I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody, like you know, haven't been blown away because
Speaker 3: to be honest, like it was Austin p and it
Speaker 3: was Jacksonville State, but they did what they did. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, Tyler Shuck has just he's done the job right,
Speaker 3: Like he's he's gotten back there, he's gotten the ball
Speaker 3: out of his hands, he's thrown it to the right people.
Speaker 3: It's almost I mean, you know, some of the plays
Speaker 3: have really wowed you, but it's almost like, hey, this
Speaker 3: is just kind of boring, but we're just going to
Speaker 3: go down the field and we're going to complete passes.
Speaker 3: I've been impressed with what I've seen from Ja Cory Brooks.
Speaker 3: I think they have, you know, a multitude of running
Speaker 3: backs that they could go to, which I think that's
Speaker 3: a that's a really good sign. It'll be interesting to see,
Speaker 3: you know, like next week when they when they host
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech. Okay, what what's that rotation look like? Are
Speaker 3: they going to keep it the same or are they
Speaker 3: going to tighten it up just a little bit? So
Speaker 3: who who do they really trust in those moments? And
Speaker 3: so I think I think that they've been solid offensively
Speaker 3: and look on defense in moments, you know, against Jacksonville State,
Speaker 3: they got they got a little soft. But look, you're
Speaker 3: playing Jacksonville State, your twenty eight point favorite, you end
Speaker 3: up putting the game by thirty five. Like, I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of natural. Sure, I think they've done what
Speaker 3: they've they needed to do. Now, I will be I
Speaker 3: will be honest with you, like I've been really impressed
Speaker 3: with what I've seen from Tamary and McDonald the first
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. You know, I think he's I think
Speaker 3: he has played played well for them, So I'm anxious
Speaker 3: to see them against somebody that that can that can
Speaker 3: fight back a little bit.
Speaker 2: You would know this better than I as a former player.
Speaker 2: How much like when people people talk about coaches not
Speaker 2: showing anything or being really vanilla, I mean.
Speaker 4: How how legit is that?
Speaker 2: I think it makes sense that you would want to
Speaker 2: have a smaller playbook and just not really expand a
Speaker 2: whole lot in a game where you feel like you
Speaker 2: won't need to do that in order to win big.
Speaker 2: But like I've never known like how legitimate that is
Speaker 2: when people say that, Like you really think Jeff Brom's
Speaker 2: got some tricks in his bag that like he's holding
Speaker 2: out for I mean, it wouldn't shock me given him
Speaker 2: in his mind as an offensive coach. But they have
Speaker 2: been pretty vanilla. But yet it hasn't impacted them because
Speaker 2: offensively they've really not had any struggles. They did exactly
Speaker 2: as they're supposed to do. Against those kind of teams.
Speaker 3: You could run plays out of different formations and you
Speaker 3: may be save in certain formations for certain teams to
Speaker 3: run certain plays, and so you know it's you may
Speaker 3: be saving maybe some of your eye candy back, but
Speaker 3: yet you're still you're probably still running the same plays,
Speaker 3: but you're just not using as much eye candy different
Speaker 3: elements you will for when for win teams. That's what
Speaker 3: Vania for me, that's what Vanilla is, right, And like
Speaker 3: you're not going to run you know, a bunch of
Speaker 3: trick plays or anything like that, like even though they
Speaker 3: didn't really do a whole lot of that last year,
Speaker 3: but you know, you're you're saving some of that back.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's all pretty much like formationally, you know,
Speaker 3: disguising different things. You're just not disguising as much stuff
Speaker 3: against your the Jacksonville States of the world and the
Speaker 3: Austin piece of the world.
Speaker 2: All Right, big takeaways from the NFL Week one. I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll get to the Bengals in just a second, but
Speaker 2: any you know, any result, maybe it is the Bengals
Speaker 2: that stood out as the biggest surprise, Uh good or bad,
Speaker 2: but just your overall thoughts after we get one week
Speaker 2: of the NFL in.
Speaker 3: But it was one hundred percent the Bengals Yeah.
Speaker 2: They were the only team I think favored by a
Speaker 2: touchdown or more and they did not look good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was. It was one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the Bengals. Like I had, I almost like had no
Speaker 3: no doubts that they were going to beat the Patriots
Speaker 3: and Week one and it just it just didn't happen.
Speaker 3: They just came out so flat and so yeah, that
Speaker 3: for me, that was the that was the biggest surprise
Speaker 3: I did. Now after Thursday night when Lamar got in
Speaker 3: the press conference and that you know, that was that
Speaker 3: was a catch. I'm gonna stand by that. I did
Speaker 3: want somebody to ask him, like, have you not seen
Speaker 3: the replay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that it was quite clear his photo was
Speaker 2: on the line.
Speaker 3: Like what he was like, he was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stand on that. Well, I mean the toe on the line,
Speaker 3: says says, No, it wasn't a catch.
Speaker 2: With with bad vision, you could you could see that
Speaker 2: that was that was on the line.
Speaker 3: But by the way, great throw, great catch, he just
Speaker 3: wasn't in bounce. Yeah, by a toe, but it was
Speaker 3: to a toe.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Joe Burrow, you know there's a
Speaker 2: weird stat about Zach Taylor and Obviously Burrow's not been
Speaker 2: a part of all of this, but you know, they
Speaker 2: they get off to slow starts in the first couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. Uh, not only with losses, but just kind
Speaker 2: of with the way they play. Burrow doesn't get much
Speaker 2: run in the preseason, and that's pretty typical, I feel
Speaker 2: like around the NFL, especially when you know what you
Speaker 2: have at quarterback, and they quite literally know exactly what
Speaker 2: they have. They have a really good quarterback. But you
Speaker 2: feel like maybe there is some truth to maybe he's
Speaker 2: rusty because he he doesn't get as much run in
Speaker 2: you know, the not real games.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, I don't. I don't buy into that
Speaker 3: this year. I probably have bought into that in the
Speaker 3: previous couple of years because he's battled injuries through through
Speaker 3: training camp. You know, this year he had a full
Speaker 3: training camp, and plus they do those they do those
Speaker 3: like practices with other teams, and they scrimmage with other
Speaker 3: teams during the week, and then they eventually play that
Speaker 3: team in a preseason game and then he just doesn't
Speaker 3: play in the in the game, but he is in.
Speaker 3: He is in for those scrimmages. While he may not
Speaker 3: be getting hurt he's still got live bodies around ing,
Speaker 3: and he's still throwing against active defenses for me, and
Speaker 3: he's probably going against that team's first strength unit in
Speaker 3: those practices. So for me, like that's if he's getting
Speaker 3: that work, I'm good. I honestly like, I just I
Speaker 3: feel like they just are so careful early on with
Speaker 3: what they're calling that it's it just all feels like
Speaker 3: it's just way too simple. And then and then at
Speaker 3: some point in the season they start opening up and
Speaker 3: then it becomes fun. Well, I don't know why you
Speaker 3: can't do that in the first first game, first week
Speaker 3: of the season.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 4: Kent, you are the man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. It's always making time for us. Always
Speaker 2: enjoy the conversation, have a good rest of your week
Speaker 2: and we will talk soon.
Speaker 4: My friend.
Speaker 3: Always a good time, brother.
Speaker 2: Take care. That's Kent Spencer from Whas eleven. Good stuff there.
Speaker 2: I love talking with Kent each and every week, especially
Speaker 2: when we get the football season man. Good stuff from Kent.
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Speaker 4: All right, so.
Speaker 2: The let's see here. This is just something I found
Speaker 2: to be interesting and I wanted to share with you guys.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Joseph Duarte is a beat writer who covers the University
Speaker 2: of Houston for the Houston Chronicle, and he's he's in
Speaker 2: a open records request fight with the school he covers,
Speaker 2: the University of Houston, and it's because he is asking
Speaker 2: for transparency on nil money. He wants the University of
Speaker 2: Houston to share what amount of money they've gone through
Speaker 2: to approve innil deals for their athletes. So his tweet
Speaker 2: from earlier today got a lot of traction because he
Speaker 2: is claiming that the University of Houston has denied a
Speaker 2: Houston Chronicle open records request for a breakdown of the
Speaker 2: total value of these nil deals over the past three
Speaker 2: years for their athletes. He notes that Texas A and
Speaker 2: M they provided exactly what was asked, whereas Houston has
Speaker 2: decided not to, and in their response they say that
Speaker 2: it says in its response, uh's Open Records Division said, quote,
Speaker 2: the requested INIL information is confidential and not subject to
Speaker 2: public disclosure. So we'll get to more of what he
Speaker 2: had to say, and we'll get to the numbers from
Speaker 2: Texas A and M, which you know, pretty impressive if
Speaker 2: I'm being honest. Do you think that should be public? John? Like,
Speaker 2: should we have a right to know the amount of
Speaker 2: money that NIL athletes are making?
Speaker 4: That's a I don't know. I don't really have a
Speaker 4: strong opinion. I don't either. I don't, but I mean
Speaker 4: it's fine. I'm fine with it being private.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Like I don't. I can't claim that
Speaker 2: I really care to know the exact amount of money.
Speaker 2: Like I just you know, I mean, you and I
Speaker 2: were probably on the exact same page when it comes
Speaker 2: to that, Like, you know, it's not a big deal
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Wouldn't shock me if it
Speaker 2: was public. But like, I'm not out here claiming we
Speaker 2: need to know.
Speaker 4: I do feel like if it's public, it causes a
Speaker 4: lot more issues like whenever different athletes are competing for
Speaker 4: different amounts in the future and that type of thing.
Speaker 4: So I could see that being a good reason for
Speaker 4: why it should stay private.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, you know, I'm all about privacy
Speaker 2: for people when it comes to money. Now, obviously, if
Speaker 2: you have like a public job, your government employee, like
Speaker 2: you're you know, you work for a school like your
Speaker 2: you know, your salary is is available for people to
Speaker 2: find out. It's public record. So like, I get why
Speaker 2: that's the case, But like, if they made that private,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be against it because I guess maybe if
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars are helping fund your salary, people should know
Speaker 2: what you're making. But I mean, I've always been someone
Speaker 2: that leans towards being very discreet about people's finances. That's
Speaker 2: just me. But here's what Joseph wrote that I thought
Speaker 2: was a pretty good counter to the whole privacy thing.
Speaker 2: He says, for me, it's not here, I'm sorry. Coming
Speaker 2: back up, he says, for the for the it's none
Speaker 2: of my business crowd. This is what A and M
Speaker 2: sent me. And frankly, this was enough and I'll give
Speaker 2: you guys what they sent. But he said, my argument
Speaker 2: is there is precedent set by another public school to
Speaker 2: release the info. If UH wants to cite statute, that's fine,
Speaker 2: But the request, in my opinion, wasn't asking for state
Speaker 2: secrets or even KFC secret recipe. If you're going to
Speaker 2: ask the public for money, there should be a level
Speaker 2: of transparency. Same thing when we were denied access to
Speaker 2: Memorial Herman's gift amount for the Football Operations Center. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but apparently when Tom Herman
Speaker 2: was there, there was a big donation made and people
Speaker 2: wanted to know what the money was spent on. But
Speaker 2: that is a good if you are again we had listeners.
Speaker 2: I think that brought that up at one point. When
Speaker 2: it comes to nil that if you are asking people
Speaker 2: to donate money or have a membership to your collective,
Speaker 2: I do think you have a right to know where
Speaker 2: your money's going. Now clearly people don't, and they're fine
Speaker 2: with it. They just know and they trust and hope
Speaker 2: that the collective is going to do whatever is needed
Speaker 2: with that money to keep athletes happy and bring in
Speaker 2: more athletes. But I do think when it comes to that, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to say, hey, look we need this money.
Speaker 2: If you're out here fundraising for your collective, which you
Speaker 2: have to do, and you want a big, sizeable investment
Speaker 2: from somebody like for example, I'd be willing to bet
Speaker 2: if somebody like.
Speaker 4: Rick Kiever or.
Speaker 2: Even Larry Benz somebody like that who clearly people who
Speaker 2: are very influential and big donors and supporters of U
Speaker 2: of L Athletics. Larry's on the board now, so maybe
Speaker 2: that's not a good example to use, but just somebody.
Speaker 2: Obviously Rick Keeper put up a million dollars with glowbrands
Speaker 2: whenever they did the match for the basketball program when
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey was hired. So if you're somebody out there
Speaker 2: that you're being, you know, kind of hunted by those
Speaker 2: that work within the five h two circle because they
Speaker 2: know you do care, you are passionate, and you have
Speaker 2: shown previously that you will donate, and they know you
Speaker 2: have the money, Like they're not going to tell you, hey,
Speaker 2: we need a million dollars and not tell you what
Speaker 2: it's going for. So again I'm not I can't give
Speaker 2: you a fake response. I can't give you a fake opinion.
Speaker 2: Is like no, they because I don't care to know.
Speaker 2: But I do think when it's public like that, it
Speaker 2: makes a little more sense to where, like I get
Speaker 2: it from people who do donate. Let's say they donate
Speaker 2: I don't know, fifteen hundred dollars a year to the collective.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's to me. That's not a small
Speaker 2: amount of money. I mean, it's not crazy. It'd be
Speaker 2: hard for them to tell you specifically what your money
Speaker 2: went towards. But I do think just an overall breakdown
Speaker 2: of the funds that came in and how they were dispersed,
Speaker 2: I think that's not asking too much. And that's exactly
Speaker 2: what Texas A and M did, So they what they
Speaker 2: gave when the Houston Chronicle requested A and M to
Speaker 2: provide transparency information about the nil SO from twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: So from July of twenty twenty one to July of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the overall NIL money that came in
Speaker 2: was three a little over three million dollars. Two point
Speaker 2: nine of that went to men, whereas one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: and some change went to women. July of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two to July of twenty twenty three, that went from
Speaker 2: three million overall to six point one million, so it doubled.
Speaker 2: And of that six six six point one seventy nine
Speaker 2: that was the overall value. The men got six basically
Speaker 2: six million of it, and the rest of it went
Speaker 2: to women. So it's about one hundred and fifty four
Speaker 2: thousand dollars this past year totally different Planet Man. From
Speaker 2: July of twenty twenty three to July of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: the overall inile value nineteen point four million dollars. Eighteen
Speaker 2: of that nineteen went to men, whereas five hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand and some change went to women. So
Speaker 2: clearly there's a lot more money going to men than women.
Speaker 2: That shouldn't surprise anybody. Not to say that that's right
Speaker 2: or wrong, that's just that's anybody claiming that's a surprise
Speaker 2: and that it should be split up evenly, it's just not.
Speaker 2: That's not real life. So one, I'm fascinated by that
Speaker 2: amount of money, but also, like I think if you
Speaker 2: are somebody who would be more willing to donate to
Speaker 2: a collective if you could see this, I think collectives
Speaker 2: would be wise to share that information. I know, so
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to. But I just
Speaker 2: thought that was interesting because we know nil matters so
Speaker 2: much in the grand scheme of things when it comes
Speaker 2: to college sports now, and I think the more transparency
Speaker 2: that you have out there makes it a little bit
Speaker 2: more easy for people to understand what it is. Like
Speaker 2: there's some people that still don't really know how it works.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people, Like I have a good idea.
Speaker 2: I know that you need money to come in and
Speaker 2: these players now getting paid, But as far as how
Speaker 2: you decide to divvy it up and all that, that's
Speaker 2: not really something I care to know about. But it's
Speaker 2: because I'm not giving you a bunch of money because
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of money to give you,
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: All right, So this is a non sports thing, but
Speaker 2: it is a big deal starting to become a big
Speaker 2: story nationally, and it's certainly a huge story right now
Speaker 2: in Kentucky. Have you kept up with this shooter in
Speaker 2: London at all? Have you kept up with like that
Speaker 2: whole story job? I have not, you know it all?
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about, I don't think. So I love
Speaker 2: this about you saying unplugged for no reason at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, look again, like you know, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with this, but like I'm I'm more fascinated
Speaker 2: how you I'm more fascinated at how you could not
Speaker 2: know about this, Like I know you're not watching the news.
Speaker 4: I'm not either.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. There's an auto ad from our partners
Speaker 2: over at WKY apologies. But there was a guy on
Speaker 2: Saturday that decided to just start shooting people on Interstate
Speaker 2: seventy five in eastern Kentucky near London. And they've been
Speaker 2: searching for him since it's now day five. So the
Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police believes this suspect is still in the area.
Speaker 2: They released video. They released video of like the difficult
Speaker 2: search area because there are areas of eastern Kentucky. I
Speaker 2: heard Matt talking about this on KSR. I believe yesterday
Speaker 2: that they don't believe that humans have ever been to
Speaker 2: like it's such a big rural, remote area that like
Speaker 2: you would have no reason to have ever gone there,
Speaker 2: and that he could be in those areas. So they're
Speaker 2: kind of looking at areas to where like they don't
Speaker 2: even know where to start. But it's in Laurel County
Speaker 2: and today Mark's day five as they look for the
Speaker 2: young man named Joseph Couch. He injured five people in
Speaker 2: a shooting on Interstate seventy five on Saturday. There's been
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion as to what really happened. I know,
Speaker 2: somebody came on Matt's postgame show Saturday from that area.
Speaker 2: I think it might have been the mayor even of
Speaker 2: that area, or maybe it was police chief. I'm not
Speaker 2: quite sure who it was, but they shared information that
Speaker 2: ended up not being the case. Like this was not
Speaker 2: a road rage incident where he had it out for somebody.
Speaker 2: This guy just went out while already being on I mean,
Speaker 2: he got bond for I believe terroristic threatening and yet
Speaker 2: he went out while I'm bond for terroristic threatening and bought,
Speaker 2: you know, dangerous weapons and started shooting people. Now, thankfully
Speaker 2: nobody's been killed, Like nobody died, but five people were shot,
Speaker 2: and they don't know where He's just out in the woods.
Speaker 2: Probably Now there's a chance he probably could have killed himself.
Speaker 2: Be honest with you, like that wouldn't be a shocker.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's now a five thousand dollars reward that
Speaker 2: the Kentucky State Police have offered, and they did share
Speaker 2: that another person has offered anonymously ten thousand dollars added
Speaker 2: to that. So that's a good samaritan there given ten
Speaker 2: thousand to help. You know, I'm be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I think when somebody's in this position to do what
Speaker 2: this guy did, I don't think anybody's protecting him. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong, but like, this guy's so far gone
Speaker 2: he just wanted to go get a gun and just
Speaker 2: start killing people like he's a lunatic.
Speaker 4: But he led the allegations of that.
Speaker 2: He opened fire on I seventy five around five He's Saturday,
Speaker 2: striking five people and then causing three people to be
Speaker 2: injured in accidents because of the shooting. As you could expect,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff that happened. So they found
Speaker 2: his abandoned Toyota on top of a hill near a
Speaker 2: forest access point Saturday night, So it sounds as if
Speaker 2: he did not go back to the vehicle after he
Speaker 2: went and did what he did. But they found an
Speaker 2: AR fifteen they believe was used in the shooting. They
Speaker 2: found that on Sunday, So he's abandoned his AR fifteen. Also,
Speaker 2: it says here that there's an Affidavid that Couch sent
Speaker 2: a text message before shooting, saying quote, I'm going to
Speaker 2: kill a lot of people. Well try at least the
Speaker 2: Warren Affidavid was also said in a separate text that
Speaker 2: Couch said quote I'll kill myself afterwards. So these texts
Speaker 2: were sent at five o'clock five oh three on Saturday,
Speaker 2: less than thirty minutes before the shooting happened. I mean,
Speaker 2: my guess would be that he killed himself, but you know,
Speaker 2: they until they find him, they have to assume he's
Speaker 2: still out there, and he might. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a this is a really really awful I mean, clearly
Speaker 2: an awful situation. But you can't just assume he's dead.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to keep looking for him, to find
Speaker 2: his dead body or find him because.
Speaker 4: Because I mean, the dead body's going to be somewhere
Speaker 4: if there is one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but that you know that could be
Speaker 2: I mean, if.
Speaker 4: You think it'd be harder to find the dead body
Speaker 4: or if he's still running somewhere.
Speaker 2: So that's a great question. I would say it's hard,
Speaker 2: it would be I would say it'd be harder to
Speaker 2: find him if he's moving around, but then again, he
Speaker 2: may if he's savvy enough to move around, then yeah,
Speaker 2: it'd be more difficult. But like if he's dead, eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, dogs can find that, you know, and that
Speaker 2: would kind of be Yeah, but with that said, you're
Speaker 2: gonna need a humongous area, Like there's no aerial chopper
Speaker 2: view that's gonna spot this guy. Like that's how remote
Speaker 2: it is to where he's believed to be. So it
Speaker 2: did not say though in the Affidavid the arrest. They did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was an arrest warrant that says Laurel County Dispatch
Speaker 2: received a call from a woman describing the text from
Speaker 2: Calp saying he was gonna kill people, But they did
Speaker 2: not say what his relationship was to the person that
Speaker 2: he sent those those texts too. So just a just
Speaker 2: an awful situation that again is now becoming more of
Speaker 2: a national story and it's a scary situation and it's
Speaker 2: impacted schools in that area. There are still many schools
Speaker 2: that have not gone back to school this week because
Speaker 2: of this situation. Because there's a guy that could be
Speaker 2: you know, and again he's he's a lunatic. You can't
Speaker 2: you know, you can't take this lightly at all. In fact,
Speaker 2: you know, keeping people safe is the most important. And
Speaker 2: I hate to say this and make it sound like
Speaker 2: it's you know, like this is what really matters, but
Speaker 2: like they're kids that aren't going to play football this
Speaker 2: weekend because they can't go back to school again. That's
Speaker 2: that's not Football is not a priority over keeping people safe.
Speaker 2: But like it just the lingering effects of something like this.
Speaker 4: That people shouldn't have to deal with.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, I mean, I'm so hopefully they find him.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not. I don't look at this at
Speaker 2: these I mean again, I have no clue how any
Speaker 2: of this works. But when I hear some criticism out
Speaker 2: there about how they still haven't found him, I kind
Speaker 2: of think, wait a second, Like I don't think first
Speaker 2: of all, they're trying, they're trying, putting all the effort
Speaker 2: into it, but also like this wouldn't be easy to do,
Speaker 2: and in fact, now that I think about it, it
Speaker 2: may be harder to find him if he's dead, because
Speaker 2: if he's moving around, he'll get caught right eventually, and
Speaker 2: if he's he'll get desperate too. If he's alive, he's
Speaker 2: gonna get desperate for food, desperate for something to drink
Speaker 2: like that. That that's to where maybe he'll slip up
Speaker 2: if he's just laying somewhere dead.
Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned the dogs or wolves who whatever
Speaker 4: gets a hold of him. If he's dead, they could
Speaker 4: you know, you wouldn't be able to tell it's a
Speaker 4: human being potentially, depending on what happens.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, like they I mean, here's here's
Speaker 2: what's crazy to say. And I hope it's not the case,
Speaker 2: but this is a very realistic possibility. They may never
Speaker 2: find him.
Speaker 4: I mean they may mean it's a true true crime podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, they may never like, they may never find
Speaker 2: him at all, and eventually you probably assume he's dead,
Speaker 2: but you don't know that.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure they have like a timetable that they
Speaker 4: have to at least like like protocol that they have
Speaker 4: to give it at least this amount of days or
Speaker 4: months whatever it may be, before they just say, you
Speaker 4: know what, there's nothing else we can do.
Speaker 2: And it you know, like if they don't, like I
Speaker 2: can see this being something that they like, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna let your guard down and just act like Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I guess he's dead. We'll find his body in a
Speaker 2: few years. You can't take that kind of risk when
Speaker 2: it comes to keeping people safe. All right, quick break
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Speaker 2: Brooks and Done. All right, So this stat cannot be real.
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of numbers that just get thrown out
Speaker 2: in tweets and everybody because it's surprising and you just
Speaker 2: just you know, maybe you want to believe it's true,
Speaker 2: so everybody shares it and.
Speaker 4: Just assumes it's legit.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is legit, but I have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing this stat about Kentucky football that conference games with
Speaker 2: two hundred or more passing yards since twenty eighteen. Again,
Speaker 2: games against conference competition where you've had two hundred or
Speaker 2: more passing yards since the year twenty eighteen, Kentucky's had thirteen,
Speaker 2: Ioways had twenty three. I didn't do any fact checking,
Speaker 2: and to be honest with you, I'm not going to,
Speaker 2: but like, can that be real?
Speaker 4: I think it can be as crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 4: I do think it can be real because I do
Speaker 4: think Iowa's always been good at getting down the field,
Speaker 4: but they can just never Yeah, they could never finish
Speaker 4: the job and getting the end zone.
Speaker 2: Like the perception of Iowa football is terrible, and yet
Speaker 2: they're not like that bad. Like they went and they
Speaker 2: did lose to Iowa State, which was a real very
Speaker 2: weird for them. Yeah, and that was a tough loss
Speaker 2: for them, but they scored more points than they typically had, right,
Speaker 2: Like that wasn't a shootout, but it was you.
Speaker 4: Know, nineteen, I mean that's right right around the road.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true. Yeah, what was it nineteen to
Speaker 2: twenty or nineteen twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 4: I only know what the over under is, But I
Speaker 4: won't have to go back to betting the under in
Speaker 4: those games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's for the most part, it's in
Speaker 2: a safe bet. But like that, not to pile on
Speaker 2: Kentucky today, but yeah, let's do that actually, because that's fun.
Speaker 2: Even when they were having success in winning with Levis,
Speaker 2: it wasn't usually because of anything like Levis at Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Even when when they were winning, he didn't have many
Speaker 2: games where he really you know, lit it up with
Speaker 2: a bunch of passing yards. He showed he has a
Speaker 2: good arm and whatnot. He also showed at times at
Speaker 2: Kentucky that he can't really see the field great and
Speaker 2: that really reared its ugly head for him in Chicago
Speaker 2: and the opener on Sunday with the Titans. But I
Speaker 2: just you know, like Mark Stops has had a bunch
Speaker 2: of different offensive coordinators and Liam Cohen. He had success
Speaker 2: with Levis and then when he came back last year,
Speaker 2: they weren't as successful. He didn't have Leves to work with.
Speaker 2: But Liam Cohen was pretty impressive with the Browns in
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. That's his first year as the OC there,
Speaker 2: and you know, looked pretty good, Like maybe maybe Stoops
Speaker 2: is too much involved in the offense. And again I
Speaker 2: I don't know what his rolodex is as far as networking.
Speaker 2: But Butch Hampden is that his name? The guy who's
Speaker 2: the OC for Kentucky now, who came from Boise State. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like to me that you hiring a
Speaker 2: guy that you know you can tell what to do.
Speaker 2: That's not you hiring a guy to give the keys
Speaker 2: to the Cadillac and let him run the offense. But
Speaker 2: that's just that's just my opinion. All right, we got
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