WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.359 This is India Today Podcasts. 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.560 You are on India Today Podcasts and you are in 3 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.439 the Sledging Room. Let me warn you this is not 4 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:17.559 a place for the faint hearted and the weak need. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.079 If you're a sports poff and like challenging everything you 6 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:24.399 see and hear, stay, if you're a sooner bodatya fan, 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:26.960 walk away right now. 8 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.280 Welcome to another episode of Sledging Room. Like always sorrow 9 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.240 one King shoot with me. So I was going through 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.600 Twitter while coming to office after you guys put out 11 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.159 the breaking news of Rashun's retirement from the IPL. You know, 12 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.520 there were a few tweets. Yes, of course, well meaning 13 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.240 people like you know, some of his colleagues, some of 14 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.560 the commentators like Hasha even praying Panchaal and all of them, 15 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.159 which Dashwin for what had been a very as like 16 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:09.280 successful IPL career. But you know, on the other side, 17 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.359 I saw some tweets saying that, okay, it's good that 18 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:15.319 now we have nine point seventy five crod for the 19 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.599 next oction. Ashwin's gone. We made up that money in 20 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.560 the purse. And then that led me to, I know 21 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.680 a bigger thought, like are we not giving our heroes 22 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.400 the farewell that they deserve h as in not I'm 23 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.560 not just talking about Ashwin. Ashwin in test cricket didn't 24 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.920 get a fable. Pujara didn't get a fa Retired on Sunday, 25 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:40.439 he didn't get a fable. We're aret Rohit didn't get 26 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.359 a fable in tests. But on the on the other side, 27 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:45.159 if you look at other countries, some somebody like a 28 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.519 David Warner chooses his retirement date and goes out accordingly, 29 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.159 somebody like a James Anderson. Of course he was told 30 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.359 to go, is what they said at the end. But 31 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.000 he picks up a date and then he goes out. 32 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.680 Stuart Broad, isn't it a bigger problem? Isn't it a 33 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.719 problem now? Like, shouldn't they be cherished? More? Like? Look 34 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.079 at the manner in which we're at? And Ruth went like, 35 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.639 after so much rumors, even in Ashwin's case, there was 36 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.680 a bit of trade rumors, and he himself said that 37 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.960 I sought clarity from sinner's workings. And then suddenly one 38 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.680 fine morning you see that he's gone Today's GNA and 39 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.159 he said new beginnings and hinted at playing overseas leagues. 40 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.439 But that's probably not how we should treat some of 41 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.919 our heroes who have played for so long, is what 42 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.240 I think. Do you guys have a similar opinion on this, 43 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.400 I don't know. I mean with Ashwin specifically, it's such 44 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:41.159 an odd IPL career, Like for a bowler who was 45 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.919 thought to be experimental, like one of the pioneers of 46 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.439 what he did at the time between twenty ten to whatever, 47 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.759 you would think that in t twenty cricket he would 48 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.680 be more successful. He's anyway the fifth highest wicket taker 49 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.319 in IPL at the time of retiring, but he's also 50 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:00.240 played for like five six franchises, right, so IPLI don't 51 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.879 understand the concept of farewell at all. Of course you 52 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.280 could cherish him, you could hundred person cherish him. I 53 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.360 didn't say that I pel farewell, but it meant that 54 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:14.400 the reactions to it, like like IPL context, I don't 55 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:16.719 get that, But I'm going to a bigger context. Yeah, 56 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.879 going to a bigger context Test cricket. I mean, I 57 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.199 would love for them to have a farewell. But with 58 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.479 Indian cricket and specificity, I think that our superstars tend 59 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.520 to overstay their careers, and you look at it, you 60 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.240 could see that Test cricket was fading away for several 61 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.759 years now, and they just wanted to push on, push on, 62 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.120 push on. I think when when it comes at a 63 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:44.599 juncture when the relationship breaks down, the b c C 64 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.680 I pulls the plug say that as the relationship breakdown, 65 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.159 I'm not able to understand that. And by overstaying, what 66 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.879 do you mean? Like Anderson not overstay? His score a 67 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.360 hundred person Stewart brought probably not dre but I failed 68 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.000 for one full year but still got to choose his 69 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.199 There were a few people who questioned that why was 70 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.719 he allowed to pick his retirement day? Correct? What the 71 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:09.960 art sticks? Are we applying sticks? Like an Indian parent? 72 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.319 You want your kids to be you know, true in 73 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.199 the top mark all the time, like I said, like, 74 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.720 I would love for them to have a farewell like 75 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.439 at least an agreeable position where this is your last series, 76 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.480 play it and give up. I don't think that it 77 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.920 reaches there. I think for Ushwin, I thought England series 78 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.879 in India would be his farewell where he was presented 79 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.240 his was it Ashwin who was presented? Yeah hundred cap right. 80 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.279 I thought that the Ramshala Test would be his farewell test, 81 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.959 but then he was selected for Australia where you had 82 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.120 no plans to play him. Why did you carry him? 83 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.759 But there wasn't There was an entire home season after that. 84 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.680 He played through that home season, So that's what I 85 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.720 thought it would end. That's one against New Zealand maybe 86 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:57.040 been different. Yes, you can't have a farewell when the 87 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.199 entire team is losing that game. Also, you threw him 88 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.560 out right, you brought was in the final one where 89 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:10.000 he was correct. So yeah, like I think it's just 90 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.000 odd you can ask for farewell tests, but I don't 91 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.319 think that works out in Indian cricket. He doesn't it 92 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:16.639 work out? 93 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.519 Yes, you know, a very very different aspect and you 94 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:24.720 might now see that earlier. I think Suchan was the 95 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:30.199 one who last got this was and he played okay 96 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.199 when talked about Test creet. I think such was the 97 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:42.800 last player who got this farewell even and. 98 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.120 Got a little bit of a farewell. I don't think 99 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.439 it's a farewell if you decide going into the series 100 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.279 that I'm gonna retire after the final test of this series. 101 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:52.680 But he picked his date wasn't tough for when that 102 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:53.920 is what all that is fine. 103 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:54.680 That is what it is. 104 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.680 You decide that you're leaving on the top of your game, 105 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:59.680 right like you're not being pushed away. 106 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.519 You the one who's taking the call to go away. 107 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.639 And for me, you know, this retirement thing that no 108 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:11.160 farewells has become regular phenomenons because of AMAZONI this man, 109 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.439 that is what he was so selfless in his retirement. 110 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.920 Things like when he retired from Test cricket, he moved 111 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.319 without doing anything. He not asked for any fan and flammer. 112 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:28.319 Similarly with Odias and he just retired. Not how I 113 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:32.199 remember his retirement at all. No, no, especially in Test cricket. 114 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:33.319 Whatever you say. 115 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:38.360 See he never asked for that uh fill flavor and 116 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:39.040 that glamour. 117 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:40.000 He moved away. 118 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.079 He felt that he was not cut out for the 119 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.560 rest of the series. He moved away in os. 120 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.639 I think that he. 121 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.800 Gave India beautiful farewell. In the World Cup, he tried 122 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:52.600 his best after a year. 123 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.800 Right after a year, because he thought there might be 124 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:56.399 a chance of him playing on the World Cup. There 125 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.079 were the boats going on back then, but then the 126 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.399 COVID struck and that have got postponed. He realized he 127 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.399 could not prolong his career for more. And then on 128 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.720 one fine day on fifteenth of August of twenty he retired. 129 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.560 So it started from there. Now when you talk about 130 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.279 someone like Verat and I will categorizem two different cricketers 131 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.079 Pujara and Nushwin test grades, but not all time grades 132 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.360 because they were not all format grates and we're at 133 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.639 all format grades with Puja Nushwin, testicket was their primary format. 134 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.040 Like Ashwin even made comebacks in oas in day sights, 135 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.920 but he could never make a mark. Pujara, I don't 136 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.160 remember when he last played a limited Wars game for India, 137 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.120 so they should have actually got a farewell in testicate 138 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.240 when they decided to retire. For Pujara, like king Chuk said, 139 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.360 I don't think he overseaid he was not in the 140 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.319 plans of this former team management. Also when Aldo it 141 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.879 was coach, Rouith was captain, he was excluded back then 142 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.000 and Ruth came out and Case said that no, no, 143 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.000 it's not like he's not in our plans. He can 144 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:57.959 still make a comeback, but he never got a chance 145 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:59.879 to make a comeback. After the tred and three series. 146 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:09.519 Yeah, the World Championship wait series yeah. 147 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:09.800 Played that series played? 148 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.639 Last was the World Test Championship final yeah. 149 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.560 With Ashwin, I don't know what happened. 150 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:17.639 One bad series and you were thrown out, But it 151 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.759 was more of a Ushwan's ego getting hurt than the 152 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:21.360 team and the men wanting him to go out. 153 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.079 Not like you were playing overseas as well. 154 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.759 Right, he was not playing overseas back in twent twenty also, 155 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.360 and that's what he did. Did retire back then? 156 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.000 No now because when when he was not playing over 157 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.440 he's just you had someone like ja whot a different 158 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.320 skill set left times spinner. In this Australian tour. What 159 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.360 hurt Asians ego the most, which supportedly is the story 160 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.039 is that a right arm off spinner from his own 161 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.440 seed has been picked over him to play a Test match. 162 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.240 He himself said that sitting on the benches while I 163 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:53.600 was getting carried every. 164 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:54.519 Day, that's what happened. 165 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.080 Felt that got to me, He said, that got to. 166 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.360 Me, so he deserved a farewell Test and if I 167 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.960 am not wrong, pushed him to play one Test match 168 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.480 and he played one Test much and then retired. But 169 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.360 you know, you know with with then we're at just 170 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.039 one more statement with we're I think he don't create 171 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.080 retired as World World champions Test crickate. I I will 172 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:19.559 say that that is the worst way to retire for 173 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.799 both of them. But I think when the international relirement comes, 174 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.720 I think it will be on a grand venue. 175 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.080 That's what I believe should happen. 176 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.080 So we are just saying that it's bad planning, right, Yes, 177 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.799 the cricketers side. Also from the bc SI side, there's 178 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.960 no communication with communication, which is the quintessential Indian family problem. 179 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.960 Like if you see this as a family tree, I 180 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.039 being the parent and the cricket has been the children. 181 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.639 It's exactly what a mild class family goes through. I think. 182 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.080 I think it's also because of that that the thing 183 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:53.360 you said, like you desired something and then something else happens. 184 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:56.360 And I also think it's in Test cricket especially it's 185 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.919 a little bit of World Test Championship also contributing to it. 186 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.759 Like in the you could call people back, give them 187 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.360 farewells like such had two matches against West Indies especially 188 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.799 planned for that, like yeah, I would go out, so 189 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:09.960 I would call them. But in this World Test Championship 190 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.360 cycle you have to pick the best level all the time. 191 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.279 You can't like you know, say that okay, I'm bringing 192 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.519 him back for this series only because that will cost 193 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.399 you the points there also, But you can still plan ahead. 194 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.879 That's what I'm saying. As a cricketer, you can plan, 195 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.840 but when you're out of the team, you can't be 196 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.759 brought back and then given a farewell like he deserved 197 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.320 a farewell. In my terms, he deserved a grand Test 198 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.720 match in Rachkot. Yeah, England play non WDC test matches 199 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.080 every cycle exactly where the points don't count. I think 200 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.519 they've done it twice against New Zealand or South Africa 201 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:43.919 something like that. 202 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.799 They have played against Ireland, they're played against MBWE. 203 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.080 Right, non WDC games, Yes, yes. 204 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:48.240 Do it. 205 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.519 I hope Buomra is not hearing this already talking about 206 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.399 work and you will play more tests which will not 207 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.720 even come into the World Test Championship final. Maybe that's 208 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.799 a good way of rewarding first class leaders, someone like 209 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.240 when you jelut suckin our captain a when you wish 210 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.600 for and goes there number three. We do play random 211 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.559 T twenties all the time, may as well fit in 212 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.039 a test game that that's actually a great idea. You 213 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.120 solving problems by talking to each other. BC said, I 214 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.320 should do it too. Is that is that a feasible idea? 215 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:21.159 What are you joking? 216 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.799 Or this happens? 217 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.919 Yeah, South Africa also Zimbabwe. 218 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.399 Because see at the end of the day now with 219 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:32.720 indigreget I think this is not possible at this point. 220 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.720 Why because everything that they plan, every series that they plan, 221 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:39.759 is financially motivated. 222 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.320 And also and also think about this, hasn't like no 223 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.240 big team will agree to play with you for those 224 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.799 not Yeast Championships, So then will be a little bit 225 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.080 of a disrespect when you West Indies West Indies twenty thirteen, 226 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.759 what testing was that? But they still carry the tag 227 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.039 of the West Indies of course, I mean you could 228 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.279 still call in West Indies West Indies ARC. Yeah. And 229 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.399 Zimbabe zimbab are not bad, like none of the test 230 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.120 playing nations are bad. But you you never know whether 231 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.799 a player will agree to stepping one rung and then 232 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.240 agreeing to a farwell match. 233 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.480 Ye. And you have to manage a lot of scheduling 234 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.279 issues than the ego has been to be managed from 235 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.600 both sides. Then the communication has to be clear beforehand, 236 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.240 because I see schedules are planned way beforehand, right, A 237 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.240 lot of things have to come into the same cycle 238 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:29.799 to have to have this happen. 239 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.360 But this is just specifically Test cricket, right, because I 240 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.720 don't see. I can only imagine two farewells in the 241 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.480 I p l Okay who Amazon, who has been dragging 242 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.559 on his farewell for several seasons now? And Collie? 243 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:48.240 What about Roch I don't think I see I agree 244 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.080 with him? Why because whatever happened with Rossiam in this season, 245 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.279 it was a lot. This felt like this is for me, 246 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.039 like whatever you say, and I feel legend. He has 247 00:12:58.080 --> 00:12:59.919 given so much to the league as a young tig, 248 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.320 as a captain, now as an experienced player, and now 249 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.120 you've just subbed him off. He comes off as an 250 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.039 impact player. Yes, he's not scoring runs, but then he 251 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.240 was helping you win matches with his tactical billions. You 252 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.320 just removed him and you know. 253 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.879 The impact player. And then he keeps on saying I 254 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.919 don't want to player, I don't want to play as 255 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:19.919 an impact. He did such a get a farewell in 256 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:27.159 his IPL careers, not like it rings in your memory immediately, 257 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.000 not like the Test fall, because. 258 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.840 That farewell was something with such insnation in his biography 259 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:34.639 that I wanted my mother to at least see me 260 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.519 once before I could retire. And this is why your requested. 261 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.600 We said to hold a Test match in Mumbai where 262 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.039 my mother could watch, come and watch me. 263 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.279 Probably one of the most like for me. It was 264 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.200 one of the most emotional farewell and that was one 265 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.159 of the beautiful knocks or such in here till that 266 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.039 seventy till that edge to Sammy, he played flawless that day. 267 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.360 I thought he would goose. 268 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.799 Pumps remembering whatever happened, such a speech and the way 269 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:57.840 he was moving on the ground. 270 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:58.759 I'm getting goose pumps. 271 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.519 Was there to call it? I think Yea is always 272 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:07.919 in there. How do you feel two CSK players back 273 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:09.480 to back retirements? Is this? 274 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:12.440 Oh my god, who is the other one? 275 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:12.559 This? 276 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.480 This is a spect no. 277 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.879 Ask player? Then that'spect him. 278 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:21.559 He won the i P with CSK, so. 279 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.679 I winner before we're oh yes, two i PL champions 280 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.399 for c s K. Yeah what what? What's your take 281 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:34.759 on SE's retirement is something like you know that maybe 282 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.159 he's the one cricketer who I think. I don't know 283 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.240 whether Rahan it iserved opportunities at number five, maybe could 284 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:43.759 have been given at least one more year, maybe a 285 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.399 couple more because even if you're still struggling to find that. 286 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.519 In the England series, you tried two people at number three, 287 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.080 none of them succeed and it was. 288 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.600 Until this are two wrong people at number three, that's 289 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.919 the problem. Until this summer, I don't think you found 290 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.759 stopped playing competitive cricket. He played trophy, He played the 291 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.799 County Championship Division two last year, so I think that 292 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.200 was kind of But he also said a beautiful thing 293 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.679 on India Today's interview that I wouldn't advise young crick 294 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.519 you know, play only focus only on test matches now, 295 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:19.759 and he was I don't know. He made a very 296 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.559 blunt statement saying that these days test selections are happening 297 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.279 based on how you perform in IPL and in ODIs 298 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.639 and T twenty ies. He did not say that as 299 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.720 a complaint, but he said that, okay, young cricketers be 300 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.399 shrewd enough now, don't just grind it out in a 301 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.240 range trophy and trophy and expect you to be selected. 302 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.879 But it's like a backhanded remark, right, that's probably what 303 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.559 I think he's calling a spade a spade, but not 304 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.000 putting it as a complaint like always probably does who 305 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.840 is the only IPL straight forwarded in the Test team 306 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:55.039 based on IPL performances this year, I had a brilliant 307 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.879 two brilliant runy seasons, but not looked a pick for 308 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.320 the home season the moment he performed in the IPL. 309 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:08.080 Yeah yeah down six and one four dy or something. 310 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.080 I think KP said also that and it's not working 311 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.360 out and in Australia and soon they're also when he 312 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.559 is when he's come back, yeah, when he's comeback started 313 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.200 And on the flip side, look at this way the 314 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.799 likes of how Whoman you shouldn't have their chances? Uh, 315 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.799 someone like we're playing for India, start playing for India 316 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.600 and jealous Chucks retired without playing for India. Maybe if 317 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.720 these cricketers had an IPL contract and they could have 318 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.960 done something there, But I won't blame the selectors. Also, 319 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:41.759 like if you look at the way the Test cricket 320 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.320 is evolving, that's what probably also said we are playing 321 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.559 for results, like we need those extra skills. Also, you 322 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.120 need to have different gears to bat in Test cricket. Also, 323 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.200 and I don't know where Test Creator is heading if 324 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.679 this is what we are going, And I just wanted 325 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.200 to ask you guys one more things like Yeah, moving 326 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.359 away from farewells and retirements is going to be the 327 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.599 last of the Test specialists that we're going to see India, India, 328 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:09.359 maybe overseas, maybe Smith and Route. 329 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.160 Yeah, that is what I was thinking. Smith wrote Kanee 330 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.079 for other countries. For India, I think, yes, that guy 331 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.599 who batted at number three, who made life easy for 332 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.720 someone like Verat Koli was batting at number four, who 333 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.559 made it possible for someone like Ship to succeed in 334 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.880 testigate because Punk could come and play those shots, because 335 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.400 there was a Pujara batting at number three, shielding you 336 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.279 from the new ball from everything when your opens failed. 337 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:37.799 So I don't think you're going to get next Pujara 338 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.160 or any any any form of Pujara, Like Pujara has 339 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.960 himself come out and said you pointed out, yeah, because 340 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.920 this is heartbreaking for a Test gate fan. 341 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:47.920 We all are Tested fans. Who doesn't love a good 342 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.640 Test match? You love it. You love a good fast 343 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.440 bowling in the Test Test matches, don't you love it? Yeah? 344 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.640 So for what he has done, I mean. 345 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.079 The number of balls he faced, those injuries, those bruises, 346 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.200 blows helped us win series in Australia, someone like Jose 347 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.839 as would a world beater, used to cry out, oh 348 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.079 my God, again have to pull to Pojara. He was 349 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.920 so happy this time and there was no Pojara. 350 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.799 I don't agree to that. Actually, I don't agree to that. 351 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.039 Visu was born to not agree to anything. 352 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.559 You know why, Yeah, you know why. Let's hear him 353 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.799 out sorrow like, no, are you saying the concept of 354 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.440 test specialists no longer needed in test criting now? I 355 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:35.720 think we will see more in the future because so 356 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:38.720 if test credit does get segreated into a top tier 357 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.359 lower tier system, you will need specialists because you will 358 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.440 play more often, right, so more often means the calendar 359 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.480 gets packed. So then I am assuming that the way 360 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.960 other countries have moved, they have segregated their T twenty 361 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.599 side and the Test side separately. So this time in 362 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.160 Australia when we went there, Australia played tried to bring 363 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.000 in three or the top order battles who they had 364 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.319 given chances in the Sheffield Seal side. Who were they? 365 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:12.200 Contra McSweeney Constas also had a came on the back 366 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.079 of a very good Sheffield knock. It was not the 367 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.960 player whom we saw in the in the test match, 368 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.279 he's more orthodox, classical player who just tried to rile 369 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:28.000 out constas is generational talent according to them, and he 370 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.480 bats like that and he was found in a red 371 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:32.640 ball game, is what I'm trying to say. I am 372 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.599 thinking that if other countries are moving to that, that 373 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.160 sort of a place where they are segregating it, why 374 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.960 can't India do it? If calendar does get packed, if 375 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.359 the red ball calendar does get packed, how will there 376 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.880 has got red ball calendar get packed? New tier? If 377 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.160 you do two tier systems and you're trying to play 378 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:56.079 top serieses constantly against at least four teams, say England, Australia, 379 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.240 South Africa and someone, then you will end up needing 380 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.920 more specialists because people won't be available to play everywhere. Okay, 381 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.960 that's my logic. But see I am saying, yes, I 382 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.279 agree where you're where you're coming from, But do you 383 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.480 need test specialists? A Sumann will get bad at number three, yeah, 384 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.680 but you won't be able to have him everywhere. No, 385 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.200 A similar mold of a player, I'm saying, someone who 386 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.359 doesn't bat at stri grid of fifty, someone who doesn't 387 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.680 have to go so you're saying like that, So this 388 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:33.319 is style style of player specialist, mold of player. What 389 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.160 I mean Test specialists can be a lot of things. 390 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.039 Man especialist can be a person grinding out ground, grinding 391 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.240 it out in domestic and then playing one format for 392 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.720 the country. Let's say Sir far Askans doesn't bat at 393 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.119 fifty strike, bats at seventy five STRIKEERD and there is 394 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.519 no chance in the next two years that he gets 395 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.519 into the white ball teams. But see, I'm not saying 396 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.160 that whether selection is not in our hands. No, No, 397 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:02.400 I'm saying I will playing the other But assume assume 398 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.079 that the white ball teams are packed and he can't 399 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.000 get into it. Define test specialist properly for our listeners 400 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.720 and viewers. See by what I meant by test specialist 401 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.759