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Speaker 3: Con track. Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This is the
Speaker 3: third and final installment of the Jamachio Numerology and Cipher series,
Speaker 3: and obviously it's the cipher part of the series since
Speaker 3: we didn't get to that in the first two. So
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I got the I got the usual suspect
Speaker 3: with me again, I got Lisa with me, finishing off
Speaker 3: this three part series that I had a really good
Speaker 3: time doing. I learned a lot, found some interesting stuff
Speaker 3: and it was really just I was happy to put
Speaker 3: this out for real. Same, Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 3: some a lot. Yeah, yeah, I think it was some
Speaker 3: interesting work to you know, to say the least. And
Speaker 3: I will pretty much get it going and started off.
Speaker 3: I guess I'll add to people who have not well,
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen the first one or two, obviously
Speaker 3: you haven't seen the second one yet, this hasn't come
Speaker 3: out yet, but you should be okay, still checking this out.
Speaker 3: But I do suggest if you're coming across this to
Speaker 3: check out the first one, you know, the first one
Speaker 3: or two when you can. And here we go. So
Speaker 3: I actually both of us have a bunch of ciphers
Speaker 3: that we wanted to cover that I think are interesting
Speaker 3: and just to be honest, I even think it's wild
Speaker 3: how many ciphers are out there and how many are
Speaker 3: still used and who they came from. I mean a
Speaker 3: lot of them actually seem to have come from occultists.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was just interesting to show as well.
Speaker 3: You know, because again I will reiterate something I've said
Speaker 3: multiple times. I do question if there's times that we're
Speaker 3: looking at the English language completely wrong, you know, and
Speaker 3: I do think that this is a way of that happening.
Speaker 3: I wanted to get into, you know, the Golden Dawn,
Speaker 3: so I knew from the past that they had had
Speaker 3: some stuff. I thought it'd been interesting to cover them
Speaker 3: a little bit in this as well. The interesting thing
Speaker 3: is is that the first two years of podcasting with
Speaker 3: the Occult Rejects, I actually didn't learn or cover too
Speaker 3: much about the Golden Dawn. This doesn't make any sense
Speaker 3: to me, but somehow that happened, and I figured this
Speaker 3: year I'm actually going to cover a little bit about them.
Speaker 3: So besides this, I will be covering some interesting things
Speaker 3: about the Golden Dawn. But to get into it with
Speaker 3: the Ciphers, they do have the rose cross, or some
Speaker 3: people call it the symbol of the rose and cross.
Speaker 3: The rose cross is a symbol largely associated with the
Speaker 3: legendary Christian rosen Cruse, Christian cabalyst and alchemist and founder
Speaker 3: of the Rosicrucian Order. The rose cross is a cross
Speaker 3: with a rose at its center, often red, golden, or white,
Speaker 3: and symbolizes the teachings of a Western esoteric tradition with
Speaker 3: Christian tenants. The Rosicrucian Manifestos were written during the Protestant
Speaker 3: Reformation in Germany in nineteen in fifteen twenty. In fifteen twenty,
Speaker 3: Martin Luther had a seal made with a five pedaled
Speaker 3: white rose encapsulating a heart with a simple cross in
Speaker 3: the center. Many allegorical and esoteric explanations for the rose
Speaker 3: cross have arisen over the centuries. Some groups, such as
Speaker 3: the ancient and mystical order Rose Crucius, purport that the
Speaker 3: rosy cross predates Christianity, where the cross represents the human
Speaker 3: body and the rose represents the individual's unfolding consciousness. Some
Speaker 3: deep stuff there. Some say the rosy cross as a
Speaker 3: symbol of the human process of reproduction elevation to the
Speaker 3: spiritual very interesting. The fundamental symbols of the rosicrusions were
Speaker 3: the rose and the cross, the rose female and the
Speaker 3: cross male. As generation is the key to material existence,
Speaker 3: it is natural that the rosicrusion should adopt its characteristic
Speaker 3: symbols those exemplifying the reproductive processes, as regeneration is the
Speaker 3: key to ex to spiritual existence. They therefore founded their
Speaker 3: symbolism upon the rose and the cross, which typify the
Speaker 3: redemption of man through the union of his lower temporal
Speaker 3: nature with his higher eternal nature. It is further a
Speaker 3: symbol of the Philosopher's Stone, the ultimate product of the alchemist.
Speaker 3: Connections between Freemasonry and the rose cross exist from times
Speaker 3: preceding the formation of actual Grand Lodge in seventeen seventeen,
Speaker 3: as it is proved by the poem Threnody of Henry
Speaker 3: Adamson from sixteen thirty eight. We are brethren of the
Speaker 3: rosy crossy we have the Masonic where we have the
Speaker 3: Mason word and second sight. The rosy cross is also
Speaker 3: a symbol found in some Masonic Christian bodies and employed
Speaker 3: by individuals and groups formed during the last centuries for
Speaker 3: the study of Rosicrucian and allied subjects, but derived from
Speaker 3: the adoption of a red rose. Within the Southern jurisdiction
Speaker 3: of the Scottish Right Body of Freemasonry, the eighteenth degree
Speaker 3: is specifically concerned with the rose cross and confers with
Speaker 3: the titles of Knight rose Cross, one version of the
Speaker 3: degree Albert Pike wrote about in eighteen seventy one. The
Speaker 3: Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn made use of the
Speaker 3: rosy cross as well, including the ritual of the rose Cross,
Speaker 3: which is how I came to know what this was,
Speaker 3: because I did practice that back in the day. Designed
Speaker 3: for spiritual protection and as preparation for meditation. Based on
Speaker 3: the Rosicrucian symbol of the red rose and the cross
Speaker 3: of gold, it is also a key symbol of the
Speaker 3: Golden Dawn's second order. According to Israel Regardi, the Golden
Speaker 3: Dorn rosy cross contains attributes for the elements, planets, zodiac,
Speaker 3: Hebrew alphabet, alchemical principles, the hexagram, n pentagram, the sepherod
Speaker 3: of the Tree of life, and the formula of Inri,
Speaker 3: which is the formula that I had mentioned was used
Speaker 3: in the planetary hexagram ritol. On the back side of
Speaker 3: the rosy cross is inscribed the motto of the Zelder
Speaker 3: ademptis miner at the bottom and that is the Master
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, God and Man. That's between four Maltese crosses,
Speaker 3: and in the center written in Latin, blessed be the Lord,
Speaker 3: our God, who hath given us the symbol signum and
Speaker 3: to continue regard he says of the Rosy Cross and
Speaker 3: the Golden Dawn. The rose cross is a lineman or
Speaker 3: badge synthesizing a vast concourse of ideas representing in a
Speaker 3: single emblem the great work itself, the harmonious reconciliation in
Speaker 3: one symbol of diverse and apparently contradictory concepts, the reconciliation
Speaker 3: of divinity and manhood. It is a highly important symbol
Speaker 3: to be worn over the heart during every important operation.
Speaker 3: It is a glyph in one sense, of the higher
Speaker 3: Genius to whose knowledge and conversation the student is eternally aspiring.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be always inspiring to have kind of
Speaker 3: like knowledge and conversation with your Holy Guardian Angel when
Speaker 3: in ritual magic. So yeah, that is the whole goal
Speaker 3: of the magician is to have knowledge and conversation with
Speaker 3: your Holy Guardian Angel. We're supposed to be yeah. In
Speaker 3: the rituals. It is described as the key of siituals
Speaker 3: in rituals. And then we have the symbol of the
Speaker 3: golden dawn rosy cross. This laman is a complete synthesis
Speaker 3: of the masculine positive or rainbow scale of color attributions,
Speaker 3: which is also called the scale of the King. Remember
Speaker 3: I've even said that with stuff you have the King scale,
Speaker 3: the Queen scale. You have four different colors kabalistically that
Speaker 3: you could have on each Sepharoth. The four arms of
Speaker 3: the cross belong to four elements and are colored accordingly.
Speaker 3: The white portion belongs to the Holy Spirit and the planets.
Speaker 3: The petals of the rose refer to the twenty two
Speaker 3: paths on the Tree of Life and the twenty two
Speaker 3: letters of the Hebrew alphabet. It is the CROs thus
Speaker 3: in Tifereth, the receptacle and center of forces of the
Speaker 3: Cepharoth and the paths. The extreme center of the rose
Speaker 3: is white, the reflected spiritual brightness of Kether, bearing upon
Speaker 3: it the red rows of five petals and the golden
Speaker 3: cross of six squares. Four green rays issue from around
Speaker 3: the angles of the cross. Upon the white portion of
Speaker 3: the laman. Below the rose is placed the hexagram with
Speaker 3: the petals with the planets. Around the pentagrams, which are
Speaker 3: placed upon each elemental colored arm, are drawn the symbols
Speaker 3: of the Spirit in four elements upon each of the
Speaker 3: arms of the cross, or arranged the three alchemical principles
Speaker 3: of sulfur, salt, and murcury. The white rays issuing from
Speaker 3: behind the rose at the inner angles between the arms
Speaker 3: of the cross are the rays of the divine light,
Speaker 3: issuing the reflected light of Kether in center and in
Speaker 3: the letters and symbols of them refer to the analysis
Speaker 3: of the keyword I n R I.
Speaker 1: Which was at the top of the when Jesus Christ Yes.
Speaker 3: The rose cross also has a place in the system
Speaker 3: of Ordo temple Orientue. It is associated with the fifth degree.
Speaker 3: This is reasons why I'm going on and on about
Speaker 3: this is because uh, you know, I do wonder like
Speaker 3: when you start getting to higher up degrees, well they'll
Speaker 3: maybe be like, could this be part of a cipher?
Speaker 3: Could you be told that this is like used for something,
Speaker 3: you know? And I did find it interesting that, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the fifth degree. You're not getting to
Speaker 3: the fifth degree and the oto unless somebody asks you to.
Speaker 3: That's another thing that I thought was interesting. How it
Speaker 3: it's the fifth degree the one that you can now
Speaker 3: you cannot petition higher than the fourth Oh you know,
Speaker 3: could there be something up with like learning a secret?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The members of the fifth degree are responsible for all
Speaker 3: that concerns the social welfare of the order. This great
Speaker 3: is symbolically that of beauty and harmony. It is the
Speaker 3: natural stopping place of the majority of men and women
Speaker 3: for to proceed Father, as will appear, involves reuncination of
Speaker 3: the sternest kind. Here then is joy, peace well being
Speaker 3: on all planes. The Sovereign Prince rose Cross is attached
Speaker 3: equally to the higher and the lower in forms of
Speaker 3: natural link between them. And then we have you know,
Speaker 3: and the reason why I was even bringing this up
Speaker 3: a lot of it is because now you can start,
Speaker 3: as you can see with these things right here, you
Speaker 3: will start to be able to make sigils out of
Speaker 3: the one on the left, and now it will look
Speaker 3: completely different because it is circular and not square like
Speaker 3: the other ones that we showed. So you could have
Speaker 3: these same letters that you were going to draw a
Speaker 3: sigil with, and now it's going to be completely different
Speaker 3: looking because it's think about it, technically, it's a different cipher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a totally different cipher right based on its own.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's like even stuff I was getting at with
Speaker 3: in the first episode or whichever one it was with
Speaker 3: that decidial the square that added up to thirty four
Speaker 3: or whatever something and then thirty three, those ones having
Speaker 3: different numerical value are growing to create a completely different
Speaker 3: sigil even though it's the same thing. So there's something
Speaker 3: up with that, I think, yeah, and then we'll move
Speaker 3: on to the next slide.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: The pentagrammaton is an allegorical form of the Hebrew names
Speaker 3: of Jesus, or it could be a Yeheshua constructed from
Speaker 3: the original form of Jesus to be Yeshua, a Hebrew
Speaker 3: Bible form of Joshua, originally found in the works of
Speaker 3: Anastasia's Kirture and Johann Baptiste Groschetto. If I'm pronouncing that right,
Speaker 3: sixteen nineteen. The essential idea of the pentagrammaton is of
Speaker 3: an alphabetic constant framework. They're going to try to pronounce
Speaker 3: this whole thing, but it's y H. Then the sh
Speaker 3: wh which can be supplied with vowels in various ways,
Speaker 3: and the W can also be used with a U
Speaker 3: or V. Since the Hebrew letter writes either a W
Speaker 3: or a constant sound, you can start changing the V
Speaker 3: or the U. I'm not going to try to explain
Speaker 3: all that, but I did want to show how that
Speaker 3: is up there as well. Okay, and then we have
Speaker 3: some more golden down the cipher manuscripts of the Hermetic
Speaker 3: Order of the Golden Doorn. The Cipher Manuscripts are a
Speaker 3: collection of sixty sixty folios containing the structural outline of
Speaker 3: a series of magical initiation rituals corresponding to the spiritual
Speaker 3: elements of earth, air, water, and fire. The occult materials
Speaker 3: in the manuscripts are a compendium of the classical magical
Speaker 3: theory and symbolism known in the Western world up until
Speaker 3: the middle of the nineteenth century, combined to create an
Speaker 3: encompassing a model of the Western mystery tradition, and arranged
Speaker 3: into a syllabus of graded course of instruction in magical symbolism.
Speaker 3: It was used as the structure for the hemetic order
Speaker 3: of the Golden Down. The folios are drawn in black
Speaker 3: ink on cotton paper, watermarked eighteen o nine. Supposedly. The
Speaker 3: text is plain English, written from right to left in
Speaker 3: a simple substitution cryptogram. Numerals are substituted by Hebrew letters
Speaker 3: alf equals one, bet equals to so on crude. There's
Speaker 3: drawings of diagrams, magical implements and tarot cards are added
Speaker 3: into the text, and one final page transcribes into French
Speaker 3: and Latin. The ciphers contained the outlines of a series
Speaker 3: of graded rituals in the syllabus for a course of
Speaker 3: instruction in Kabbalah and Hermetic magic, including astrology, occult taro, geomancy,
Speaker 3: and alchemy. It also contains several diagram uh, several manuscripts
Speaker 3: of the this sorry screwing this up, the cipher manuscripts
Speaker 3: of the original source upon which the rituals and the
Speaker 3: knowledge lectures of the Hemetic Order of the Golden Doorn
Speaker 3: were based. So supposedly, you know, this thing is supposed
Speaker 3: to have a lot of the secrets, that is, you know,
Speaker 3: within the Hermatic Order of the Golden Dorn encrypted. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the basic structure of the rituals and the names of
Speaker 3: the grades are similar to those of the roch Rosicrucion
Speaker 3: order orders Societist Rosicrushion and in Anglia and the German
Speaker 3: order uhd in the German Ordered your gold whatever. So
Speaker 3: I'm not even trying to put outside either, but uh.
Speaker 3: And then we'll move on to this one. And here
Speaker 3: in case people are like looking or listening if you're
Speaker 3: listening to the podcast when this drops again, you know,
Speaker 3: if you want to, highly suggest to check out the video.
Speaker 3: So I have some more slides up again and you
Speaker 3: can see some of the stuff I got from this
Speaker 3: folio if it's correct or not, but you know, this
Speaker 3: is what's out there to get. In eighteen eighty seven,
Speaker 3: William Westcott reportedly purchased the Cipher Manuscript from a bookstore
Speaker 3: on Farringdon Road in London. The manuscriptfolios were coded based
Speaker 3: on Trithemius's stenografia his book, and Trithimius was the guy
Speaker 3: that we covered in Part two. Between the pages of
Speaker 3: the manuscript, Wescott reportedly found a sheet of paper with
Speaker 3: the name and address of a certain Friulian Sprindle if
Speaker 3: I'm saying that correctly, and alleged Rosicrucian ad Depth living
Speaker 3: in Germany. Westcott supposed deciphered the manuscript and the ensuing
Speaker 3: rituals were written by McGregor McGregor Mathers. Wes Scott then
Speaker 3: purportedly corresponded with Springle, who allegedly authorized him to found
Speaker 3: an English branch of the German occult society Zurg Golden
Speaker 3: Morgan Ruth that's how you say it right. Wescott, Mathers
Speaker 3: and W. R. Woodman founded the isis Uraniate Temple Number
Speaker 3: three of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Down in
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty eight. It was crazy eights. So this kind
Speaker 3: of becomes the official story of the founding of the
Speaker 3: medic Order of the Golden Dorn. The truth, however, is
Speaker 3: somewhat different in reality. When Wescott obtained the Cipher manuscripts
Speaker 3: from the widow of the famous Roja Kruscian and Freemasonic
Speaker 3: researcher Kenneth Mackenzie following his death in eighteen eighty six,
Speaker 3: Wes Scott then de liberately attempted to obscure the true
Speaker 3: source with the Friulian Sprinkle story. That's like another theory.
Speaker 3: And now we get to Uh. It was one of
Speaker 3: my favorite people to cover. In the last episode, we're
Speaker 3: back to Johannes Trithemius and that will be uh. Polygraphia
Speaker 3: from fifteen eighteen. That's old as shit, Yeah, okay. Uh.
Speaker 3: Polographia is a cryptographic work written by Johannes Trithemius, published
Speaker 3: in fifteen eighteen, dedicated to the art of stenograph whatever steganography.
Speaker 3: The full title is Oh my God, this is this
Speaker 3: is funny Polygrapha libri sex Ohannis Trithemie abbotis Pio Polotani
Speaker 3: Quondamus Spana Hymenis and Maximilian them Caesar Caesar M. I
Speaker 3: don't know that's its yo, Why did would you even
Speaker 3: want to write a title that long?
Speaker 1: I don't understand it either.
Speaker 3: I try to make the episode short and sweet, like
Speaker 3: I know. Oh Man is the oldest known source of
Speaker 3: the popular which is alphabet. He used that used a
Speaker 3: large by the modern traditions of witchcraft. So that's another
Speaker 3: reason why I am covering this as well, is because
Speaker 3: like this is even something that got influenced, that influenced
Speaker 3: I think, like kind of today's Wika in a sense,
Speaker 3: or witchcraft. So you know, this goes back a little
Speaker 3: bit further than some people might think, and it's still
Speaker 3: kind of predominant in its own way today. I'll switch
Speaker 3: the slide here. This is just you know, you can
Speaker 3: see some of the what was going on in this book.
Speaker 3: It is composed of six books and a clavis, which
Speaker 3: is a key book. One contains no fewer than three
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty four alphabets of twenty four letters or
Speaker 3: degrees each letter. Each letter corresponds to a Latin word, noun, verb, adjective,
Speaker 3: et cetera. In reference to Christian prayers, and religious texts,
Speaker 3: being in total nine thousand, two hundred and sixteen different words.
Speaker 3: This is nowadays known as the ave Maria cipher, which
Speaker 3: mostly uses only a few of the first alphabets. Book
Speaker 3: two contains three hundred and eight more Latin alphabets with
Speaker 3: seven hundred and thirty nine seven hundred seven thou three
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety two words, again using Latin words with
Speaker 3: mostly religious context. Book three represents one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: two alphabets in three columns, which is which are three thousand,
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty eight dictions of a universal language,
Speaker 3: where each letter is equivalent to an invented word. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on with these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the fact that they invent words and vocabulary
Speaker 1: is just yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Takes a lot of time.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: Book four shows two thousand, eight hundred and eighty invented
Speaker 3: alphabet diictions and one hundred and twenty alphabets. To decode,
Speaker 3: one must simply extract the second letter of each word.
Speaker 3: Book four reproduces two chronical hash tables, one direct with
Speaker 3: eighty alphabets and the other inverted with ninety eight alphabets,
Speaker 3: allowing infinite permutation, to which twelve planispheric wheels, each comprising
Speaker 3: six categories of twenty four numbers, combined with the twenty
Speaker 3: four letters, and thus allowing an elaborate and big amount
Speaker 3: of seiphered messages. I mean, that probably didn't even make
Speaker 3: sense to most people, so uh yeah, yeah, sorry, don
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was, but I was totally
Speaker 3: fine on my side, so maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The work ends with the alphabets of his invention as
Speaker 3: the Tetragrammaticus formed by four characters that are diversified in
Speaker 3: twenty four letters, and the enig Grammaticus of nine characters
Speaker 3: and twenty eight letters. And then here we have the
Speaker 3: Theban alphabet, which I find this very interesting. The Theban alphabet,
Speaker 3: also known as the witch's alphabet, is a writing system,
Speaker 3: specifically a substitution cipher of the Latin script that was
Speaker 3: used by early modern occultists and its popular in the
Speaker 3: Wicker movement. It is also known as the Honor Honorean
Speaker 3: alphabet or the Ruins of Honors, or the witch's alphabet
Speaker 3: due to its use in modern wicker and other forms
Speaker 3: of witchcraft as one of the many substitution ciphers to
Speaker 3: hide magical writings such as the context of a book
Speaker 3: of Shadows from other people. The Thebian alphabet has not
Speaker 3: been found in any publications prior to that of Trithemius,
Speaker 3: So as of right now, basically, you know, if this
Speaker 3: is used by people who practice Wicker, they may not
Speaker 3: even know that this goes all the way back to
Speaker 3: fifteen eighteen. They probably think that fucking Ontz's face came
Speaker 3: up with this shit when he's Gardner, no idea, zero glue,
Speaker 3: probably have no idea that Gardner was also a student
Speaker 3: of Crowley. So basically you got thelema light with Wicka.
Speaker 3: I hate to tell you. Yeah, uh, there is one
Speaker 3: to correspond differences between Oh let me see, so I
Speaker 3: guess which is the light here? Yeah, there is one
Speaker 3: to one correspondence between theban and the letters. In the
Speaker 3: old Latin alphabet. The modern characters Jane and you are
Speaker 3: not represented. They often transliterated using the theban characters for
Speaker 3: I and V. In the original chart by Trithemius, the
Speaker 3: letter W comes after Z as it was a recent
Speaker 3: addition to the Latin alphabet and did not yet have
Speaker 3: a standard position. This caused it to be misinterpreted as
Speaker 3: in apper sand or end of sentence mark kind of
Speaker 3: like something that I will be getting into. There's like
Speaker 3: a dancing man thing and like to show that the
Speaker 3: end of a word or something, they use like a
Speaker 3: flag where the person will be holding a flag. That's
Speaker 3: the way to show you that there's like a stop.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I'm assuming they're probably saying something like the
Speaker 3: Z might have been screwing that up. Oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 3: that's where it was.
Speaker 1: And the sentence mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some users of those later charged transliterate W using
Speaker 3: the Theban characters for VV. That is even another thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if people know back in the day
Speaker 3: with typewriters, sometimes they did not actually have all those
Speaker 3: UV and W. You just used one. Sometimes it was
Speaker 3: a V. You used two of them to make a W.
Speaker 3: Or you use the V and for you and just
Speaker 3: hope the people understood, which I think it was like
Speaker 3: almost kind of understood.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the Roman alphabet like they used the V instead
Speaker 1: of a U or a U S V or something
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, interchangeably.
Speaker 3: Eric S. Raymond, an American software developer and author, has
Speaker 3: created a draft proposal for adding the Theban alphabet to
Speaker 3: the Universal Coded Character Set or unicode, So I'm not
Speaker 3: a little interesting. Then we have here something that brought
Speaker 3: up in last episode. Now we're gonna get into it
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Is the be being tablet? The
Speaker 3: ben being tablet or ben being table of isis is
Speaker 3: an elaborate table of bronze with enamel its silver inlay,
Speaker 3: most probably of Roman origin but imitating the ancient Egyptian style.
Speaker 3: It was named in the Renaissance after Cardinal Bembo, a
Speaker 3: celebrated antiquarium who acquired it after fifteen after the fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty seven Sack of Rome. Therefore, was used to penetrate
Speaker 3: the meaning of Egyptian higher glyphs, which were not authentically
Speaker 3: deciphered until the nineteenth century. I'm like, are they authentically deciphered? Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, all dames, we're just being told someone like bolshit,
Speaker 3: we got the comic book version of what the hieroglyphs?
Speaker 3: Who got the Marvel version. Owing to these prior misconceptions,
Speaker 3: the tablet became of importance to Western esoteric traditions. The
Speaker 3: tablet is now regarded as of Roman rather than Egyptian origin,
Speaker 3: like I was just saying before, dating to some time
Speaker 3: in the first century. Little is known about its subsequent history,
Speaker 3: and told the Sack of Rome in fifteen twenty seven,
Speaker 3: like I was mentioning before. After his death in fifteen
Speaker 3: forty seven, the tablet was acquired by Gonzaga rulers of Mantua,
Speaker 3: remaining in their museum until the capture of the city
Speaker 3: in sixteen thirty by Ferdinand the Second's troops. It then
Speaker 3: passed through various hands until the French conquest of Italy
Speaker 3: in seventeen ninety seven. Alexander Lenore mentioned in eighteen oh
Speaker 3: nine that it was on exhibition in the Biblo tech
Speaker 3: National after Napoleon's downfall, was returned to Italy to become
Speaker 3: a central exhibit, where it has remained. The tablet was
Speaker 3: made of bronze with enamel and silver inlay, and the
Speaker 3: fingers cut very shallow, and the contours of most of
Speaker 3: them delineated with thin silver wire. The bases of which
Speaker 3: the figures sat were covered with silver, later torn away
Speaker 3: and these sections or left blank. You know, I know,
Speaker 3: sometimes I guess, like depending on the situation, or like
Speaker 3: what the person is doing, like I can see it
Speaker 3: being silly, or like making fun of like somebody using
Speaker 3: wire but when you have to start getting down to
Speaker 3: the whole idea, if there's electricity and energy being used,
Speaker 3: and if you start like actually really like designing it
Speaker 3: into things, I do wonder like is there actually something
Speaker 3: to that? Yeah, you know, and like we just like
Speaker 3: ignorant and laugh at it and think it's silly, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I don't think Crowley put Copper down his fucking on.
Speaker 1: For no reason, no exactly, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it just maybe depends on the situation if
Speaker 3: it's actually making sense. But I do wonder about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, even like certain tablets are supposed to be
Speaker 3: made out of certain stones, it is does that have
Speaker 3: to do with Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: A very interesting thought. I think certain tablets weren't they
Speaker 1: written on metal as well? Some of them?
Speaker 3: Or no, I'm not sure. I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 3: but I did have I had a few friends that
Speaker 3: were very much into like Solomonic magic and stuff or
Speaker 3: like kind of like Christian magic, and there was a
Speaker 3: certain type of tablet in it that they would like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you were gangster, you went out and
Speaker 3: spent ridiculous money on the right fucking stone, you know what.
Speaker 3: I can't remember where it is right now, but it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be in a certain size. There's actually you know,
Speaker 3: supposed to be made in a certain way except for reasons.
Speaker 1: You know, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The basis on which the figures sat were covered
Speaker 3: with silver, later torn away. These sections are left blank.
Speaker 3: It is an important example of ancient and Middle metallurgy,
Speaker 3: its surface being decorated with a variety of metals, including silver, gold, copper, gold, alloy,
Speaker 3: and various base metals. One of the metals employed is
Speaker 3: black made by alloyin copper and tin with small amounts
Speaker 3: of gold and silver and then pickling it in an
Speaker 3: organic acid. So I mean there was a lot of
Speaker 3: work done here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, this have for this.
Speaker 3: You know. This black metal is possibly a variety of
Speaker 3: Corinthian bronze described by Pliny and Plutarch. You know, it's
Speaker 3: funny that you even mentioned a recipe because I think
Speaker 3: I might have taken it out of here. But there
Speaker 3: was I think one cipher that I might cover that
Speaker 3: was eventually found. Yeah, they found something that they knew
Speaker 3: could have been like deciphered with one of these ciphers
Speaker 3: that I'm covering, And eventually when they went and deciphered
Speaker 3: this thing that they thought, I guess was like almost
Speaker 3: like a treasure map in a sense. They were like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it ended up turning out to be a recipe. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I might even have told you that. And
Speaker 3: the way you just said that now and I had
Speaker 3: said to you, I was like, but if I would
Speaker 3: have gotten a recipe out of the cipher, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have stopped there. I would have thought, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And like, how do you know, Like maybe they do
Speaker 3: put recipes on what they're doing out there in a cipher? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, who knows. Although although the scenes are egyptianizing,
Speaker 3: they do not depict Egyptian rights. Figures are shown with
Speaker 3: non customary attributes, making it unclear which are divinities and
Speaker 3: which and which kings or queens. Egyptian motives are used
Speaker 3: without rhyme or reason. However, the central figure is recognizable
Speaker 3: as isis, suggesting that the tablet originated in some Roman
Speaker 3: center of her worship. Here are some of like, you know,
Speaker 3: other ones I'm showing you on the screen if people
Speaker 3: want to check it out. On the earliest one of
Speaker 3: the earliest scholars to study the tablet was Piero Valeriano Bolzani,
Speaker 3: who may have seen it before it became generally known
Speaker 3: after the Sack of fifteen twenty seven. His hieroglyphica Sieve
Speaker 3: disacris Egyptorium literis Commentarai seems to have been composed earlier
Speaker 3: than that, although it was published much later. So his
Speaker 3: book was the source for the English physician and philosopher
Speaker 3: Sir Thomas Brown, who, in his discourse The Garden of
Speaker 3: Cyrus from sixteen forty eight, alludes to the figure of
Speaker 3: Isis and no Cyrus and the Tutelary spirits and the
Speaker 3: Bembin table a table. Seventeenth century scholars of comparative religion,
Speaker 3: such as Kircher and Brown at tempted to reconcile the
Speaker 3: wisdom of Antiquity with Christianity. The ben being and the
Speaker 3: ben Being tablet was interpreted as such a way to
Speaker 3: do it. So they were even trying to, like, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, tie, I guess occultism maybe or a cult
Speaker 3: knowledge to Christianity, and this was kind of a way
Speaker 3: to do that in a sense. Kirch's speculations were used
Speaker 3: by several occultists, including Elevis Levi, William Westcott, and Manly
Speaker 3: p hole as a key to interpreting the Book of
Speaker 3: Toath or Tarot. Playtonistic writer Thomas Taylor even claimed that
Speaker 3: this tablet formed the altar before which Plato stood as
Speaker 3: he received initiation with a subterranean hole in the Great
Speaker 3: Pyramid of Gizo. Wow.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was like just an interesting tablet with
Speaker 3: some interesting history behind it. That's old as hell, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like a cipher. Yeah, this is a fun, fun
Speaker 3: one here. The pig Pen cipher, the pig Pen Cipher ultimately,
Speaker 3: or you could call it the Masonic cipher, the Freemason Cipher,
Speaker 3: the Rojia Cruscan Cipher, Napoleon Cipher, and the Tic tac
Speaker 3: Toe cipher. The cipher is geometric simple substitution cipher which
Speaker 3: exchanges letters for symbols, which are fragments of a grid.
Speaker 3: The example key shows one way the letters can be
Speaker 3: designed to the grid can be assigned to the grid.
Speaker 3: The cipher is believed to be an ancient cipher and
Speaker 3: is said to have originated with the Hebrew rabbis. Thompson
Speaker 3: writes that there is evidence that suggests the Knights Templar
Speaker 3: utilized a pig pen cipher during the Christian Crusades. In
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty one, Cornelius Agrippa, who we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about in the last episode, described in early form of
Speaker 3: the Rosicrucian cipher, which he attributes to an existing Jewish
Speaker 3: Kabbalistic tradition. This system called the Kabbala of the Nine Chambers,
Speaker 3: which then in nineteen thirty three we got the thirty
Speaker 3: six chambers. By what no but stop playing around. This system,
Speaker 3: called the Kabbala of the Nine Chambers by later authors,
Speaker 3: used the Hebrew alphabet rather than the Latin alphabet, and
Speaker 3: was used for religious symbolism rather than for any apparent
Speaker 3: cryptological purpose. Variations of this cipher were used by the
Speaker 3: Rosicrucians and the Freemasons, though the Masons used the pig
Speaker 3: pen cipher so often that the system is frequently called
Speaker 3: the Freemason cipher. Heisen claims it was invented by Freemasons.
Speaker 3: He began using it in the early eighteenth century to
Speaker 3: keep their records of history and writes private and for
Speaker 3: correspondence between large leaders. Tombstones of Freemasons can also be found,
Speaker 3: which used the system as part of the engravings. One
Speaker 3: of the earliest stones in the Trinity Church Cemetery in
Speaker 3: New York City, of course it has to be New York,
Speaker 3: which opened in sixteen ninety seven, contains a cipher of
Speaker 3: this type which deciphers to remember death. That's what they cipher.
Speaker 3: Remember that George Washington's army had documentation about the system
Speaker 3: with a much more randomized form of the alphabet. During
Speaker 3: the American Civil War, the system was used by Union
Speaker 3: prisoners in Confederate prisons. Yeah, so that's kind of interesting
Speaker 3: right there. And you know, I even found interesting on that.
Speaker 3: I understand it's like a remake. I gotta look into it,
Speaker 3: but it's like, why does that Why does that thing
Speaker 3: have the SS on it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, why does our army over here back then have
Speaker 3: SYS on them? That's very interesting, That's very yeah, fun
Speaker 3: A little fun fact. Throw this in the Diana Doores
Speaker 3: English actress and blonde bombshell. Diana Doores was once considered
Speaker 3: a rival to Marilyn Monroe. When she passed away at
Speaker 3: the age of fifty two, she had left behind an
Speaker 3: encoded message which only her husband had the key to
Speaker 3: the message. It was said to lead to millions of pounds,
Speaker 3: which the actress had hidden. Unfortunately, Door's husband died just
Speaker 3: a few months after her. Her son then faced the
Speaker 3: task of decrypting the message without the key. He noticed
Speaker 3: that the first part was in a version of ping
Speaker 3: pen cipher and was able to code that to read
Speaker 3: locations and names. Underneath that was a message encoded using
Speaker 3: a different cipher. Eventually, Dor's son got help from British
Speaker 3: cryptologist Andrew Clark, who determined it was encoded in the
Speaker 3: viganeer or however you say that cipher. When decoded, it
Speaker 3: was a list of names and locations. However, what the
Speaker 3: list meant has never been determined, and the money has
Speaker 3: not been recovered.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you imagine?
Speaker 3: It's probably like, well, listen, I'm gonna be totally honest
Speaker 3: with you. If I came into a fuck ton of money,
Speaker 3: I ain't telling anybody either, because everybod's gonna have their handout.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: Oh you only only know me now because I found
Speaker 3: free money. Yeah, come on, I'm sure people the same
Speaker 3: way they were back then. She said, I'm just giving
Speaker 3: my mouth shitw of this kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sorry, I can't pay my electric ball. Yeah
Speaker 1: my mom My mom had the money and I can't
Speaker 1: figure out where she put it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, so now we'll go into the one that
Speaker 3: we just mentioned. Oh here's another, uh, another fun fact
Speaker 3: here thing which for decades, the US and Germany owned
Speaker 3: a Swiss crypto company used by one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: twenty countries unfettered acts to encrypted messages from Iran, Libya
Speaker 3: and others. CRYPTOAG, a Swiss cryptographic communications gear company that
Speaker 3: got its big break building code making gear for the
Speaker 3: US Army and World War Two, has been a provider
Speaker 3: of encryption systems for more than one hundred and twenty countries,
Speaker 3: and according to a report by the Washington Post and
Speaker 3: German broadcaster ZDF, the company was owned outright for decades
Speaker 3: by the Central Intelligent Agency and German's Intelligent Agency the
Speaker 3: B and D, allowing the CIA, the National Security, and
Speaker 3: German intelligence to read the most sensitive communications from everyone
Speaker 3: but the Soviets and Chinese. Basically supposedly that unpresent that
Speaker 3: ridiculous amount of level of access allowed to the United
Speaker 3: States to monitor Iranian communications during the Iranian hostage crisis.
Speaker 3: They had the argent communications during the Falklands War, they
Speaker 3: had the communications of the Egyptian president and wore Sadat
Speaker 3: during negotiations of an Egypt Israel peace deal at Camp David.
Speaker 3: I mean they have had tons of things that they
Speaker 3: knew about. In CIA documents, CRYPTOAG was referred to by
Speaker 3: the code name Minerva. Come on, yeah, now come. The
Speaker 3: US government began its relationship with crypto AG's founder, Boris Haglan,
Speaker 3: who fled from Norway to the US during World War Two.
Speaker 3: In the late nineteen fifties, the US persuaded him to
Speaker 3: limit the strength of cryptographic gear sold to other countries
Speaker 3: in exchange for a licensing agreement that would compensate the
Speaker 3: company for lost sales. As the company moved to electronic encryption,
Speaker 3: US intelligence began to have an even greater role, with
Speaker 3: the NSA essentially designing the entirety of the company's first
Speaker 3: all electronic encryption system, released in nineteen sixty seven. So like,
Speaker 3: the NSA designed it for it.
Speaker 1: And don't try anybody else or give them the water
Speaker 1: down version.
Speaker 3: Even as CRYPTOAG provided a wealth of intelligence, by nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty it provided about forty percent of NSA's take from
Speaker 3: other countries, countries, diplomatic cables, and other encrypted communications. It
Speaker 3: also generated millions in revenue that the CIA and BND
Speaker 3: split and plowed into other operations of course. Yeah, so,
Speaker 3: and then we'll move on to this cipher here. I
Speaker 3: just thought that was some interesting, you know, fun fact
Speaker 3: stuff there. Yeah, you know how our government is even
Speaker 3: into the whole cipher's thing, which a lot of the
Speaker 3: ciphers have come from occultists. Yes, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we're getting we're getting an influence from occultism with letters
Speaker 3: and numbers, So maybe we're not crazy when we think
Speaker 3: there's something there with letters and numbers and americal value,
Speaker 3: just saying maybe, yeah, exactly. Uh, I don't even know
Speaker 3: how you say this the how would you pronounce this
Speaker 3: if you don't.
Speaker 1: Mind big yeah right, yeah, it's trying to think of
Speaker 1: how I would say that with like a French accident and.
Speaker 3: This This cipher is a method of encrypting alphabetic text.
Speaker 3: For each letter of the plain text is encoded with
Speaker 3: a different Caesar cipher, whose increment is determined by the
Speaker 3: corresponding letter of another text or the key. The cipher
Speaker 3: is therefore a special case for poly alphabetic substitution, first
Speaker 3: described by Geo Van Bautista Molasso in fifteen fifty three.
Speaker 3: The cipher is easy to understand and implement, but it
Speaker 3: resisted all attempts to break it until eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: Three centuries later. This earned its description in French for
Speaker 3: the indecipherable cipher. Many people have tried to implement encryption
Speaker 3: schemes that are essentially kind of like this. In eighteen
Speaker 3: sixty three, Friedrich Kassiki Cassiski was the first to publish
Speaker 3: a general method of deciphering Viganeer ciphers in the nineteenth century.
Speaker 3: The scheme was misattributed to Blaze D. Vigineer from fifty
Speaker 3: twenty three to fifteen ninety six, so that's kind of
Speaker 3: a way it has its name now. The very first
Speaker 3: well documented description of the poly alphabetic cipher was by
Speaker 3: Leon Battista Alberti around fourteen sixty seven, and used a
Speaker 3: metal full cipher disk to switch between cipher alphabets. Alberti's
Speaker 3: system only switched alphabets after several words, and switches were
Speaker 3: indicated by writing the letter of the corresponding alphabet in
Speaker 3: the cipher text. Later Johannes Trithemius, in his work polygraphe
Speaker 3: which I mentioned before from fifteen eighteen, invented the tabula recta,
Speaker 3: a critical component of this cipher now the trith to
Speaker 3: MEAs cipher, however, provided a progressive, rather rigid and predictable,
Speaker 3: predictable system for switching between cipher alphabets. In fifteen eighty six,
Speaker 3: Blase D. Vigineer published a type of polyalphabetic cipher called
Speaker 3: an auto key cipher because its key is based on
Speaker 3: the original plain text before the Court of Henry three
Speaker 3: of France. The cipher now known as the Vigineer cipher, however,
Speaker 3: it is originally just again by Battista Balauso. He built
Speaker 3: upon the tabula rectus by adding a repeating counter sign
Speaker 3: that he got from Tritemius to switch cipher alphabets every letter.
Speaker 3: So that was like a way to even make it.
Speaker 1: More complex, more difficulty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. The Viganeer cipher is simple enough to be
Speaker 3: a field ciphered and if it is used in conjunction
Speaker 3: with cipher skills. The Confederate States of America, for example,
Speaker 3: used a brass cipher disc to implement Viganeer cipher. During
Speaker 3: the American Civil War, the Confederacy's message were far from secret,
Speaker 3: and the Union regularly cracked its messages. Throughout the war.
Speaker 3: The Confederate leadership primarily relied upon three key phrases Manchester Bluff,
Speaker 3: complete victory, and as the war came close, it came
Speaker 3: to a close come retribution. Viganeer cipher was completely random
Speaker 3: and non reusable key, which as long as the message
Speaker 3: becomes a one time pad theoretically and unbreakable cipher. If
Speaker 3: you think about it, it kind of reminds me a little
Speaker 3: bit of like how we do that with like emails now.
Speaker 3: M no, it's like that's true for encryption on emails. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, I thought that one was rather interesting.
Speaker 3: I covered that.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like how the algorithms work,
Speaker 1: right with some of these security stuff on the computers
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, is they're using these ciphers and
Speaker 1: they've just like supersize them on grander scale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just kind of like boost them up or
Speaker 3: make them a little bit like more complicated. I think,
Speaker 3: mm hm. Oh. Then we got like I consider this
Speaker 3: kind of like another interesting fun fact. This is the
Speaker 3: Dancing Men's Cipher was invented by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Speaker 3: and appeared in his story The Adventure of the Dancing Men.
Speaker 3: And this story, Sherlock Holmes discovered that the dancing figures
Speaker 3: is a secret cipher and cracks the code. The story
Speaker 3: doesn't cover all the letters, but the alphabet was completed
Speaker 3: by Age Rike Sorenson, who also added numerals. The Dancing
Speaker 3: Men's Cipher originated from the Charlock Holmes story The Adventure
Speaker 3: of the Dancing Men. And the story, Charlock Holmes examines
Speaker 3: the occurrences of the dancing figures and realize that it
Speaker 3: is a substitution cipher. He then cracks the code by
Speaker 3: frequency analysis. Oh it was just weird, how like, you know,
Speaker 3: because this is a thing that I have said before
Speaker 3: in the past, and I do think there might be
Speaker 3: a good case for it. I do wonder about like
Speaker 3: dancing and performances. Oh wow, you know, stuff like this,
Speaker 3: or even like I've said before, I could easily see
Speaker 3: trying to put your body into forms of Hebrew, I
Speaker 3: mean even at English. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like keybo, I just feel like it's so much more
Speaker 3: artistic you could really be like putting yourself all over
Speaker 3: the place and nobody would really notice.
Speaker 1: And if you combine it with song, the song could
Speaker 1: be the text and the dancing could be like the
Speaker 1: dancing men code of how you unbreak the lyrics. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I kind of.
Speaker 3: I mean, you always got rappers talking about my ciphers.
Speaker 1: That's true, that is true.
Speaker 3: My cipher gotta break it down in ciphers, mathematics and ciphers.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, and then here and then I think I'm
Speaker 3: finally done and I'll shut up. Twenty eight minutes later.
Speaker 3: The ave Maria cipher. I didn't get one get into
Speaker 3: this too much. It's very interesting, and I think that
Speaker 3: this one's probably like, probably very drawn out. Ave Maria
Speaker 3: is a steganographic process invented by the Benedictine monk Johannes
Speaker 3: with the me Is Surround fifteen eighteen. It replaces each
Speaker 3: letter of the plain text by a group of words,
Speaker 3: which looks like a poem. Encryption uses a correlation table
Speaker 3: between letters and portions of psalms. Trithemius wrote a book
Speaker 3: Polographe which I had mentioned or forgot, the Uriny, which
Speaker 3: contains one hundred pages with Latin words associated with a
Speaker 3: letter of the alphabet. The Latin alphabet does not have
Speaker 3: all the letters. There is no V or W and
Speaker 3: is replaced by you, and there is no J, which
Speaker 3: is replaced by I, and so on. Encryption consists in
Speaker 3: encoding each letter of the message with a word in
Speaker 3: the list. The result will resemble a prayer or litany
Speaker 3: in Latin. The cipher is composed of Latin words generally
Speaker 3: related to God. Ave Maria, which translates to Hail Mary
Speaker 3: in Latin, is one of the most popular prayers in
Speaker 3: the Catholic tradition. The encrypted message is much longer than
Speaker 3: the plain text, since it is replaced by letters and words.
Speaker 3: The classic ave Maria usually ends with the word Amen.
Speaker 3: That's something to keep in mind to.
Speaker 1: Because you see Amen throughout a lot of Biblical texts.
Speaker 3: Well, you could toist that out there a lot and
Speaker 3: nobody would even know that that was a closing for
Speaker 3: a cipher. Yeah, just saying it, you know, putting that
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that is the end of my mouth.
Speaker 1: Thank you that you didn't asleep. No, no, it was again.
Speaker 1: I find all this super interesting. Like with the origin
Speaker 1: the original languages and how they originated and where they
Speaker 1: go and how they migrate, and now we have people
Speaker 1: putting numbers to them and then making ciphers. I found, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find it super super interesting. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: briefly cover a cipher that is talked about by quite
Speaker 1: a few people regarding Alistair Crowley's Book of the Law.
Speaker 1: I'm a novice, so it's you.
Speaker 3: Know, and you know what I'll be told. I'll be
Speaker 3: totally honest with you. The reason why I didn't get
Speaker 3: into this too much is because this is fairly new
Speaker 3: and there isn't like, you know, just for the listeners.
Speaker 3: You know why, you know, because I had said the
Speaker 3: same thing to you. It's fairly new. There isn't like
Speaker 3: a lot of like history about it, and honestly I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to figure it out myself. Just the
Speaker 3: present on the show, right. I figured, if I bring
Speaker 3: up something with crolling and the ogo, I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: be on.
Speaker 1: Points, Yeah, well you can just you know, direct them
Speaker 1: to me, because I'll just tell them that I did
Speaker 1: a quick study. So there's an excerpt in the Book
Speaker 1: of the Law and it and I mainly gravitated towards
Speaker 1: two seventy five, which says, I listened to the numbers
Speaker 1: and the words, and to me it seems like a
Speaker 1: direct interpretation that the texts should be interpreted by using
Speaker 1: numbers and words like we talked about in the first
Speaker 1: and second episode with Jamatria or alphabetic numer numeric systems.
Speaker 3: I mean, this even goes along with you know something
Speaker 3: I said before I started to interrupt you with the
Speaker 3: Book of the Law, You know that does have this
Speaker 3: cipher basically in here, and I'm like jumping ahead. But
Speaker 3: then like even in the Book of Laws, in the commentary,
Speaker 3: I know the commentary is written by like somebody else
Speaker 3: that's cruelling, but like they're constantly like mentioning like either
Speaker 3: like Jamatri or Cipher's possibly being involved. The reason that
Speaker 3: you know the chapter number, is it going along with
Speaker 3: the chapter You know a lot.
Speaker 1: Of things, right, No, absolutely, And so.
Speaker 3: You have to wonder how much is encoded.
Speaker 1: Message Absolutely, I mean I if it's in there and
Speaker 1: it's telling you it is. And then the next line,
Speaker 1: which or the next verse seventy six, it looks like
Speaker 1: a long string of numbers, and I looked it up
Speaker 1: and it kind of gives a way at the end,
Speaker 1: and it's the RP stoveall cipher right, So already it's
Speaker 1: alluding to a cipher. And so you have seventy five
Speaker 1: saying numbers and words and then the next phrase, I mean,
Speaker 1: the next verse, you know, conveying a cipher and then
Speaker 1: what the other thing? And I read this a couple
Speaker 1: of times in some of the blogs that we're writing
Speaker 1: on it. The second sentence of the verse seventy six
Speaker 1: is thou knowest not, nor shalt thou know ever. And
Speaker 1: it almost made me feel like, so, I awats you know?
Speaker 1: Dict and please correct me if I'm wrong, if I
Speaker 1: get any of the burbage wrong. Basically dictated to Crowley,
Speaker 1: Crawley the the Book of the Law and so and
Speaker 1: so if he's saying thou knowest not, nor thou shalt
Speaker 1: ever know, and he just finished talking about a cipher
Speaker 1: and numbers and words, to me, it's like, so Crowley's
Speaker 1: not going to be the one to fully cipher or
Speaker 1: uncipher what was being dictated to him. That it would
Speaker 1: be someone else who would, I guess build upon that.
Speaker 3: See, this is the whole thing though with me and
Speaker 3: This is why I think it might be importantly on
Speaker 3: again with Cipher's is that I'm not sure if I
Speaker 3: actually buy that story at face value. His story of
Speaker 3: how the Book of the Law might have came could
Speaker 3: have been a decrypted it could have been an occulted
Speaker 3: story in itself.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: So then it's like, do you have to decipher this
Speaker 3: whole thing, like he already wrote it in code?
Speaker 1: Already to find out that he was the one that
Speaker 1: wrote it in code, yeah, gotcha. Yeah Yeah. So that
Speaker 1: that excerpt kind of sets it up to that what
Speaker 1: the next you know, the in the equinox. Now you're
Speaker 1: looking at different ciphers, you know, how the alphabet is
Speaker 1: positioned in certain ways, and how that can be utilized
Speaker 1: to potentially decipher some of the texts. One of the
Speaker 1: ones that I found pretty interesting was is grid paper.
Speaker 1: It's so it's like a famous grid page of liber
Speaker 1: Al Al's which is like a grid supermposed on page sixteen,
Speaker 1: and it basically has the verse, you know, the verses
Speaker 1: or whatever's written with a long diagonal line going across
Speaker 1: and then a circled cross. So in the Book of
Speaker 1: the Law, it states that the book should only be
Speaker 1: reproduced or printed to include Crowley's handwritten version as per
Speaker 1: suggestion that there are mysteries and I quote there are
Speaker 1: mysteries in the chance shape of the letters and their
Speaker 1: positions to one another. Whichever top left or bottom right
Speaker 1: diagonal is read, the magical order of the letters is obtained.
Speaker 1: So he's telling you this is written in a some
Speaker 1: sort of ciphered message. Right, it's kind of how I
Speaker 1: gathered it. And then so like on the right you
Speaker 1: see how letters were laid over the grid, and then
Speaker 1: numbers going and corresponding right to the actual grid that
Speaker 1: was handwritten upon with this page in mind. The A
Speaker 1: L W Cipher or the New aon English Kabbala, was
Speaker 1: developed by James Lee's on November twenty sixth of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy six to serve as a tool for interpreting the
Speaker 1: works of Crowley. It appears that in it works like
Speaker 1: an Effene cipher, which is a little bit similar to
Speaker 1: ad Bash cipher, which we'll talk about here in a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it basically the slight variance is that
Speaker 1: it's made up of an arithmetic system assigning the letters
Speaker 1: of the English alphabet to assign numerical values kind of
Speaker 1: like with the A BASH but with this one, the
Speaker 1: cipher is based on a magical number on the magical
Speaker 1: number eleven, by taking every eleventh letter in the alphabet
Speaker 1: as the order and then assigning them in sequential values.
Speaker 1: So eleven is pretty much like the guide the goalpost,
Speaker 1: or the guidepost. The method of order and value where
Speaker 1: letters are arranged on a grid is credited to James
Speaker 1: Lees as well. Jake Stratton Kent, also an addition, noticed
Speaker 1: that the passage appeared separated on purpose, with an X
Speaker 1: seen as the first letter or character on the second line,
Speaker 1: potentially indicating the multiplication symbol. By multiplying the number of
Speaker 1: words on the second eleven, you get a total of
Speaker 1: one eighty seven. One eighty seven is also the numerical
Speaker 1: value of English alphabet when applied to the A L
Speaker 1: W cipher. Stratton Kent went on to clarify that the
Speaker 1: English kabala is not a system of numerology, but a kabbala.
Speaker 3: So you know that even that circle on that X
Speaker 3: of that plus thing, it's like we saw that in
Speaker 3: prior episodes is part of the symbolism and alphabets.
Speaker 1: M you know what I have You know, it's some
Speaker 1: of the earliest ones too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I even joked around before saying something about the
Speaker 3: zodiac KILLO.
Speaker 1: With that and because he uses it.
Speaker 3: Yes, And you know what, I really I should have
Speaker 3: I really wish I would have gotten a picture of it.
Speaker 3: There was something I was was watching the news. You know,
Speaker 3: they're showing all this shit that's going on over there,
Speaker 3: what's supposedly is going on over there. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: not denying that something isn't but I just wonder how
Speaker 3: much is you know, whatever, And uh, I had also
Speaker 3: started to notice I've noticed two or three times, I
Speaker 3: think I think three times at least now, seeing that
Speaker 3: X in a circle in the background of things. And
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if maybe that's like something
Speaker 3: that that they were using. But again I was seeing
Speaker 3: that same guy. I don't know if you saw when
Speaker 3: I made a joke about the yeah news getting the
Speaker 3: daytime soul property is getting so violent because I was
Speaker 3: watching the news and the guy's jumping on the fucking
Speaker 3: floor because you know, supposedly the bombs and stuff. That
Speaker 3: same dude and some sort of like wild thing was
Speaker 3: going on, and that symbol was on a car. That's
Speaker 3: it was like some sort of service car or something
Speaker 3: over there, and it was numbered ninety three. Oh, I
Speaker 3: had ninety three written on it with that symbol spray
Speaker 3: painted on it. How do you behind you?
Speaker 1: That's not a key to the cipher for what you're
Speaker 1: seeing on the news.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was weird. I was like, I've
Speaker 3: seen that symbol a few times because of covering ciphers,
Speaker 3: and now I see ninety three and it's not a
Speaker 3: guy who I was questioning the authenticity of the video
Speaker 3: I was watching a few days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is that is super weird. Interesting on
Speaker 1: also on this so you see a grid as well
Speaker 1: on cipher six, if you remember going back to the
Speaker 1: grid page of page sixteen. Cipher six is a secret
Speaker 1: cipher that has been passed down throughout the ages by
Speaker 1: various secret societies. Similar to other ciphers, americal values are
Speaker 1: assigned to each letter of the English alphabet, involving simple addition.
Speaker 1: So it kind of looks like, for instance, the grid paper,
Speaker 1: how he drew that line almost to indicate, you know
Speaker 1: that it could be the cipher six that he's following.
Speaker 1: The speculative of course, that he's following the cipher six
Speaker 1: itself by you know, using that method, and then also
Speaker 1: the star six or cycle eleven is what we saw
Speaker 1: with the equinox. The solution to several of these ciphers
Speaker 1: have been kind of discovered in nineteen seventy four, and
Speaker 1: they've like totally launched a whole new development and of
Speaker 1: computer analysis field and all that other study and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff. One thing that I found interesting is
Speaker 1: like when they mentioned nineteen seventy four as being the
Speaker 1: discovery of ciphers through computer analysis. Didn't he die in
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven? I don't know, Crowley, I think he.
Speaker 3: Did, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, nineteen.
Speaker 1: Seventy four being flipped around. I was like, that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting because this is when that you.
Speaker 3: Might be right kicked off, because if I remember correctly,
Speaker 3: he was like pretty much right after World War Two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why that stuck out, because I
Speaker 1: think because in looking at these ciphers, I'm seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of seventy four, a lot of flipping of numbers.
Speaker 1: So now my eyes, you know, looking for that. But
Speaker 1: so yeah, I thought that was just something a fun
Speaker 1: fact mentioned.
Speaker 3: If it's real forty seven forty seven, nineteen forty seven, Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 1: Four so the four so another sec.
Speaker 3: On the four and seven is also only on the
Speaker 3: right pillar. Again, it was something we brought up with
Speaker 3: that one other.
Speaker 1: Time, right right, Like, I feel like forty seven is
Speaker 1: something that we've talked about or touched upon. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was with the Gilgo or with something.
Speaker 3: Else, might have been Richard Speck recently, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could be, could be, yeah, no telling. So we
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of Jamatria. A lot of the
Speaker 1: Jamatra uses the four bass ciphers, and so I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about them really quickly kind of just to
Speaker 1: do like the long math of how some of these
Speaker 1: ciphers are used. The following four ciphers are the fundamental
Speaker 1: ciphers that is used in Jamatria. The first one is
Speaker 1: the most basic cipher in Jamatria. So we were signing
Speaker 1: A to one, B to two, C to three, and
Speaker 1: then so on, Z to twenty six, and it's practice
Speaker 1: in any language, and it's called the ordinal cipher or
Speaker 1: English ordinal cipher, like this one uses twenty six letters
Speaker 1: of the English alphabet. So the second one is the
Speaker 1: English reduction and when using the rules of numerology, as
Speaker 1: in the case of full reduction cipher or Pythagorean order
Speaker 1: or English reduction. Those are all the names assigned to
Speaker 1: English reduction. The numbers having two digits are reduced to
Speaker 1: a single digit by adding them together. So like in
Speaker 1: the case of you go, A is assigned to one
Speaker 1: and so on. But when you get to I, you
Speaker 1: see that it's assigned to nine, and when you jump
Speaker 1: to J, it goes back to a one. So as
Speaker 1: soon as nine comes, the next number is going to
Speaker 1: go back to one to basically reduce it down to
Speaker 1: a single number. And this concept was basically brought into
Speaker 1: play according to Pythagoras, who is the father of math,
Speaker 1: that only there are only nine true numbers, and so
Speaker 1: therefore the English reduction applies to that, and the number
Speaker 1: nine seems to pop up a lot in ciphers, like
Speaker 1: in terms of also a guide poster.
Speaker 3: Even that's why the nineteen we've been like being like,
Speaker 3: what's up with that?
Speaker 1: Right exactly? So yeah, so like J is equal to
Speaker 1: one and so forth. So the reverse ordinal cipher is
Speaker 1: the opposite of the English ordinal, so it's called the
Speaker 1: reverse ordinal cipher or reverse alphabetical order, and so basically
Speaker 1: it flips everything. A is now twenty six and Z
Speaker 1: is now one. So it just basically flips the assignment
Speaker 1: of the numbers. Pretty simple there on the last one,
Speaker 1: the reverse reduction, it's also called the reverse full reduction
Speaker 1: cipher or the reverse Pythagorean order, is basically the reverse
Speaker 1: of the English reduction. And so now instead of one
Speaker 1: being assigned to A, you now have eight being assigned
Speaker 1: to A, which I don't know why they didn't start
Speaker 1: with nine, but I guess because they started with one
Speaker 1: on Z right and then work their way backwards and
Speaker 1: then obviously when you get to Q, it goes back
Speaker 1: to one, so reducing it to a single digit. One
Speaker 1: thing that I thought was really interesting if you were
Speaker 1: to run God God through the English ordinal cipher. So
Speaker 1: if you look at it, G equals seven, oh equals fifteen,
Speaker 1: D equals four, you get twenty six, and twenty six
Speaker 1: is the same number of the letter in the English alphabet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought that was kind of something.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, right, I thought, so, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: Now the next one is the at bash cipher. The
Speaker 1: at Basch cipher was originally used for the Hebrew alphabet
Speaker 1: as a mono alphabetic substitution cipher. I think most of
Speaker 1: these ciphers use the substitution as their base. It seems
Speaker 1: like that's kind of their go to. They claim that
Speaker 1: it was used for thousands of years and it's the
Speaker 1: most common found in and it's most commonly found in
Speaker 1: Kabalistic writings and Jewish mysticism. It's sometimes referred to as
Speaker 1: the mirror code. It is one of the earliest and
Speaker 1: oldest known ciphers who have been used, dating back to
Speaker 1: five hundred BC, potentially pre dating Egyptian encryption, possibly because
Speaker 1: of how simple it is to use and it doesn't
Speaker 1: require a key. You can use it with any alphabet,
Speaker 1: which is like you can do with abajod or syllabris
Speaker 1: syllabary No, that's not how you say it, but alphabet.
Speaker 1: They use the syllables Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and so forth.
Speaker 1: But because of this, it can easily be deciphered, offering
Speaker 1: very little security. However, ad Basch ciphers are rare and
Speaker 1: difficult to find, I think because they easily can fit
Speaker 1: into text or a sentence and compared to others. A
Speaker 1: quick way to spot an AD code is when the
Speaker 1: first letter of the alphabet is switched with the last
Speaker 1: letter of the alphabet. It's used by kabalists who study
Speaker 1: the hidden meaning of words, and they will use which
Speaker 1: I found interest. They will use the ad bashed cipher
Speaker 1: to dilute the meaning and or power of words as
Speaker 1: opposed to using the actual word. So by encrypting the word,
Speaker 1: it'll change the numerical value of the word and then
Speaker 1: therefore reducing the power or the impact of power that
Speaker 1: the word has, kind of like you know, toning it
Speaker 1: down in ogypen. But I also read something that if
Speaker 1: they were to reverse it, that it serves to reverse
Speaker 1: the power of the word. So first evidence of encryption
Speaker 1: was found in Egypt, and because of this, most people
Speaker 1: believe that ancient Egypt is the origin of this code. However,
Speaker 1: Adbash was actually the first cipher with origins in Israel
Speaker 1: and originally encrypted in Hebrew. I provide a little bit
Speaker 1: of examples to kind of give you what that looks
Speaker 1: like in the Hebrew Bible. In the Christian Bible, they
Speaker 1: contain occurrences of the at Bash cipher. The name ad
Speaker 1: Bash refers to the first letters of the names of
Speaker 1: the Hebrew characters a left, ta bet and shin. Examples
Speaker 1: of the Abbash code are found in the Book of Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: So Jeremiah twenty five twenty six, the king of she
Speaker 1: Shrak shall drink after them. So if you convert that
Speaker 1: to Hebrew, put it through the Adbash code, it'll spit
Speaker 1: out BBL or Babel, which is Babylon, so it would
Speaker 1: be the king of Babylon shall drink after them. Another
Speaker 1: example would be Jeremiah fifty one one. Behold, I will
Speaker 1: raise up against Babylon and against the inhabitant of Leb Kamani,
Speaker 1: a destroying wind. Again, if you put it through the
Speaker 1: Adbas cipher, it spits out Kaldia or Babylonians. So that
Speaker 1: was examples that were provided.
Speaker 3: It is like the acronym BBL. Maybe just an at Bahia.
Speaker 3: It could be Brazilian butlers.
Speaker 1: This whole time we thought it was a.
Speaker 3: Still get mind fucked with magic somehow.
Speaker 1: Hook Line and Sinker. In the previous episode we talked
Speaker 1: about how words were powerful and they possessed magical and
Speaker 1: theogic qualities, and that the spoken word was capable of
Speaker 1: changing reality. So if words, going back to what I
Speaker 1: just said, a little while ago. So if words possessed
Speaker 1: power and essence, at bash could represent a reversal of
Speaker 1: that power and essence. So that's that was that example.
Speaker 1: A last example which I found pretty interesting, the abbaschh
Speaker 1: cipher theory relates also to the Baphomet mythos, with its
Speaker 1: origins dating back to five hundred BC. Inscribes writing the
Speaker 1: Book of Jeremiah using what we now call to be
Speaker 1: that bash cipher. It refers to when they were working
Speaker 1: on the Dead Sea Scrolls and they use the cipher
Speaker 1: to translate words that were undetectable. The same scientists that
Speaker 1: use it on the Dead Sea scrolls used it on
Speaker 1: texts by the Knights Templar, particularly the etymology of Baphomet.
Speaker 1: And when they decided that they would use the at
Speaker 1: Bash cipher on the word Baphomet, they discovered that it
Speaker 1: in reverse, it gives you sofia. So I thought, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's where the whole bapphamet sofia comes into play.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, if you put at bash through
Speaker 1: the Greek so although written in Hebrew, resulted in the
Speaker 1: Greek word sofia meaning wisdom in English. So if you
Speaker 1: do it in English, it'll give you wisdom. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was another one.
Speaker 3: Interesting wisdom things a go with the tunes.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, And there wasn't there a book in the
Speaker 1: Bible called Book of Wisdom?
Speaker 3: I know, like one of the spheares stands for wisdom.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: So another cipher is the Kopoli Cipher. I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying that right. It's an encrypted manuscript made up of
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand characters, strangely handwritten in Roman and Greek
Speaker 1: letters with abstract symbols, conveying a message within its one
Speaker 1: hundred and five pages. For more than two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty years, the mysterious cipher, bound in gold and green
Speaker 1: brocade paper, remained undeciphered. Then, in the nineteen seventies, scientists
Speaker 1: from the German Academy of Sciences dated the cipher to
Speaker 1: be to exist in seventeen hundred, seventeen sixty, seventeen eighty. However,
Speaker 1: in April of twenty eleven, Decipherment revealed its creation in
Speaker 1: the seventeen thirties. And if you go back and forth,
Speaker 1: there's discrepancies between those time periods, so it's in seventeen
Speaker 1: hundred that's pretty much how I kind of put it
Speaker 1: in my head. It and what the reason that they
Speaker 1: push for the seventeen thirty angle is because there was
Speaker 1: a secret society that called themselves the High Enlightened Oculist
Speaker 1: Order or the Oculist who you cite as a metaphor
Speaker 1: for knowledge. Its name comes from one of the two
Speaker 1: non coded inscriptions inside the manuscript Copalis three, and inside
Speaker 1: the paper it is said to be of high quality,
Speaker 1: containing two different water marks. So they had to track
Speaker 1: down this book because after the Cold War it kind
Speaker 1: of went I mean, it was going back and forth
Speaker 1: between private collections, and then after the Cold War basically
Speaker 1: it turned up and it was discovered in East Berlin
Speaker 1: Academy in Germany, and many attempts were made to crack it,
Speaker 1: and it just they were unsuccessful, so it was forgotten about,
Speaker 1: kept in private collections and so forth. Then in twenty
Speaker 1: eleven they tracked down the manuscript, the original one, and
Speaker 1: scientists in Sweden with a scientist in California were able
Speaker 1: to basically get a crack at it and then kind
Speaker 1: of unraveled from there. So not even knowing the language
Speaker 1: of the encrypted document, they basically thought that it would
Speaker 1: be either German or Greek of Roman because the characters
Speaker 1: were Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the text. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I found pretty interesting is they
Speaker 1: use computer to a computer analysis to crack the cipher.
Speaker 1: So because it was found in Germany, they thought the
Speaker 1: Roman cacharacters contained all of the relevant info and that
Speaker 1: everything else were just like spaces or something to throw
Speaker 1: people off. Yeah exactly, Yeah, that's just say that jug DNA.
Speaker 1: But what ended up happening is that, yeah, yeah, exactly, filler.
Speaker 1: What ended up happening is that the reverse was true.
Speaker 1: It was the Actually it was the Roman characters that
Speaker 1: were actually the nulls in the spaces and everything else.
Speaker 1: The abstract symbols were actually the coded message which the
Speaker 1: Roman letters were basically inserted specifically to throw off the
Speaker 1: reader completely, and assumed that everything was written in Roman
Speaker 1: or Latin. So they went ahead and they basically tested
Speaker 1: the theory, put it into the computer, and the first
Speaker 1: message is revealed Ceremonies of initiation and secret section. So
Speaker 1: the quality cipher is a substitution cipher, but it's not
Speaker 1: a one to one. It's more of like a homophonic
Speaker 1: one where you have like different types of substitutions because
Speaker 1: of the text and then the spaces. One thing that
Speaker 1: I found really interesting by this type of style of
Speaker 1: cipher is that it's also a cipher that's used with
Speaker 1: the book cipher or the Beal cipher, which is what's
Speaker 1: used in the Declaration of Independence where it talks about
Speaker 1: encoding of a story of buried treasure. So I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: even the Declaration of Independence has a cipher written into
Speaker 1: it that has yet to be cracked. That's that's the
Speaker 1: other thing. Nobody's been able to crack that one. But
Speaker 1: it's similar the Kapali's. The style of it is written
Speaker 1: in there, and you'll find out why here in a
Speaker 1: little bit. So once they were able to decrypt it,
Speaker 1: they pretty much set up an algorithm so that it
Speaker 1: could decrypt the rest of this the entire texts, and
Speaker 1: they like ran it through like eighty languages, all kinds
Speaker 1: of you know, different variations, and then it ended up
Speaker 1: that it was German uh cipher all along, so they
Speaker 1: found so that led them to know that it was
Speaker 1: the Oculist Secret Society. Let's see what else. Oh, one
Speaker 1: thing that I also input in here that the leading
Speaker 1: expert on the machine translation, the one from California. He
Speaker 1: basically is also working on the ciphers for the Zodiac
Speaker 1: Killer as well as cryptos, the CIA one, the building thing,
Speaker 1: the sculpture that's sitting outside of the CIA headquarters, and
Speaker 1: the Voyage manuscript. So he's he basically he cracked it.
Speaker 1: He cracked this one. He you know, created his old
Speaker 1: algorithms and is now using these types of algorithms on
Speaker 1: these other ciphers. Thought that was pretty neat. An he's
Speaker 1: funded by the NSF SO and got some software put
Speaker 1: I guess adopted by Apple and Intel.
Speaker 3: So it'd be interested to see what he says about
Speaker 3: the pointage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So to
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of backdrop to what was
Speaker 1: going on at the time when the Quality Cipher was written,
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty eight, Pope Clement basically issued a prohibition to
Speaker 1: Catholics from joining any secret order religious organization and even
Speaker 1: want is to far discourage all Europeans from affiliating with
Speaker 1: any persons or groups, alleging that all these secretive orders
Speaker 1: were practicing satanic rituals. In response to secret societies started
Speaker 1: encoding all their documents to prevent them from being persecuted
Speaker 1: and praise basically to protect themselves from persecution all around.
Speaker 1: So the rights, rituals and ideologies were passed along encoded
Speaker 1: language to hide from persecution. So I think that's where
Speaker 1: you start to see the divide, right. You know that
Speaker 1: everybody was doing the whole numerology like we talked about
Speaker 1: in the first episode, and then you see how night
Speaker 1: Council niceas like, no more, y'all aren't doing this, and
Speaker 1: then seventeen hundreds is like, y'all are gonna get in
Speaker 1: trouble if you do. So everything kind of to me
Speaker 1: seems like it. That's when it went hardcore underground and
Speaker 1: you started to have hardcore development of these ciphers.
Speaker 3: Well, like we were even saying about I think in
Speaker 3: the last episode there seemed to be like schisms of
Speaker 3: like this stuff just doesn't get studied toward anymore or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, So I'm gonna tell you a
Speaker 4: little bit of what it said, since they cracked and
Speaker 4: it was a big deal and was like all over whatever,
Speaker 4: So it revealed that it was it talked about rituals
Speaker 4: and political leanings of the eighteenth century secret society there
Speaker 4: in Germany, and the.
Speaker 1: Rituals itself appear to focus on eye surgery and ophthalmology,
Speaker 1: with members not being eye doctors. Right, this is what
Speaker 1: the scientists were saying, that, oh, this is weird. None
Speaker 1: of them were optalmologists, but all of the rituals are
Speaker 1: centered around the eye and eye surgery and what have you.
Speaker 1: The Oculus, as they called themselves, were a group of
Speaker 1: optthalmologists who were also, according to the documentar, a group
Speaker 1: of Freemasons who created the Oculus Society to pass along
Speaker 1: the Masonic rites that have been recently banned by Pope Clement.
Speaker 1: So the initiation ceremony was basically it was like illuminated
Speaker 1: by candle light. The candidate was asked to lower himself
Speaker 1: onto a stool, asked to read a blank piece of paper.
Speaker 1: When he cannot, the initiatives given eyeglasses, right, and they're
Speaker 1: asked to read the paper again and he cannot, So
Speaker 1: then they take off the eyeglasses. They wipe his eyes
Speaker 1: down and at this point they the master of ceremonies,
Speaker 1: pretends to do some sort of eye surgery by plucking
Speaker 1: out eyebrows. Pissed, they did that to me. But and
Speaker 1: then they put a paper in front of him now
Speaker 1: has texts, and then he can read and they say,
Speaker 1: you know, congratulations, you can you know, you can read,
Speaker 1: and what have you. But it's basically the ritual that's
Speaker 1: being described in the Kapali Cipher. And it went on
Speaker 1: to basically convey that this was indeed a German Masonic
Speaker 1: ritual and so Mason's you know, chimed in to the
Speaker 1: whole thing and they are like, no, this is an actual,
Speaker 1: you know, Masonic ritual being described because it has Masonic terminology,
Speaker 1: and that the Secret Society were not optomologist. If anything,
Speaker 1: it was just eye symbolism centered on Western esoteric tradition.
Speaker 1: The article basically states that the ceremonies appear to be
Speaker 1: either of Masonic body or heavily extensively influenced by Masonry.
Speaker 1: And they claimed that that these people were not optomologists,
Speaker 1: that it was a Masonic ritual and they were talking
Speaker 1: about is symbology, and that it was basically everything that
Speaker 1: I guess they believe in or what have you. So
Speaker 1: there that's that was that. And then as you read
Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the text. Oh and I included
Speaker 1: like some of the like symbols that they basically used
Speaker 1: to encrypt some of their messages. If you read throughout
Speaker 1: the text, it goes on to basically tell you about
Speaker 1: the different degrees of the ceremony I'm sorry, the different
Speaker 1: descriptions of initiation, the degrees of ceremonies. It describes a
Speaker 1: various mainstream free masonry degrees at that time, like the
Speaker 1: levels or the categories, talks about key Lodgis Scottish master degree.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just starts telling you everything, and it's
Speaker 1: weird because you would think that all these Masons want
Speaker 1: to keep this stuff secret, and yes, this cipher's telling
Speaker 1: you everything, and they have this ritual where it's centered
Speaker 1: on the eye. I don't know, it just it seemed, really.
Speaker 3: I think that's wild about how much all the stuff
Speaker 3: with the eyeballs. I'm telling you there's something up with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just makes sense to me to ocula.
Speaker 3: I mean I can't see inside myself regardless, right. No.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Another thing that I thought, and that's a capali.
Speaker 1: That's where they got the name of the cipher itself,
Speaker 1: because there was that one word that was able to
Speaker 1: be read of the entire document and then the watermark
Speaker 1: the the document had all these watermarks along with it.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I thought was very really cool
Speaker 1: to mention was that active members of the Oculus Secret Society,
Speaker 1: according to some of these write ups, is included members
Speaker 1: like Voltaire, George Washington, and Ben Franklin. And so if
Speaker 1: you look at the Declaration of Independence and they use
Speaker 1: kind of a similar cipher, yeah, yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: was that was pretty interesting. And this one you see
Speaker 1: the coat of arms at the founding guy. Then this
Speaker 1: was the actual eye medallion that they gave initiates, initiates
Speaker 1: or people that were of a certain level that you
Speaker 1: get to receive or whatever, and it has basically the
Speaker 1: eye medallion in the center, and then it has white
Speaker 1: ribbon outlined with green. I thought you would find that interesting,
Speaker 1: the green, and then as well as the coin, which
Speaker 1: the coin itself features a cataract needle with two cats
Speaker 1: watching over mice. So I thought, yeah, that's got to
Speaker 1: be right, star could be, could be. And then on
Speaker 1: the cipher itself it had something like only those with
Speaker 1: a light hand need apply as a reference to their
Speaker 1: sort member surgical skills. But I think that was co
Speaker 1: of some sort.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's great. That eyeball is like creepy.
Speaker 1: It looks real like, it looks very I don't know,
Speaker 1: like they went into detail with it. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: no somebody sketching something. It actually looks handmade. It's like
Speaker 1: a real eye. Just kidding, go ahead, yep. So that
Speaker 1: was the quality cipher, which I found really cool because
Speaker 1: I think the whole Oculus secret society that they even
Speaker 1: had something like that, because we always talk about the
Speaker 1: Masons and the Eye and the Luminati and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and the fact that there even was one.
Speaker 3: I think it was even a headless that told me.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if this is it.
Speaker 3: I think it's a different one. I always get a
Speaker 3: confused with need the headless of Thrash, which one told me,
Speaker 3: but one of them, I think pretty sure it told
Speaker 3: me about that secret society of occultists, I mean of
Speaker 3: eye doctors. Secret Society of eye doctors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was, they said. The other thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool is that they considered them very
Speaker 1: progressive because they were the first secret society to allow
Speaker 1: females in at that point, and they also were the
Speaker 1: members were basically the ones writing laws, writing treaties, writing
Speaker 1: all kinds of whatever. So they think that these people
Speaker 1: probably influence a lot of the revolution movements, writings what
Speaker 1: have you? I mean, we'll look at the people that
Speaker 1: were in there, So okay, moving on to the sphere
Speaker 1: of life and death. So at the beginning of sphere
Speaker 1: and life and death, it reads, if you want to
Speaker 1: know whether a sick person will recover swiftly or slowly
Speaker 1: or with intermediate pace is a description that is found
Speaker 1: within the diagram. Cipher called the sphere of life and
Speaker 1: death is one of the most popular prognostic tools of
Speaker 1: ancient times. On Onomancy, which is name divination used that
Speaker 1: uses the numerical value of letters to predict the fate
Speaker 1: of a person. If you recall in the first episode
Speaker 1: of the series, alphabetical numeral systems were common during Greek
Speaker 1: and Semitic languages during this time in history. So Onomanci,
Speaker 1: which has its origins with Pythagoreans, appears in medieval manuscripts
Speaker 1: as a sphere of life and death. In more modern
Speaker 1: historical texts of Western literature, the cipher is referred to
Speaker 1: as either the sphere of Pythagoras sphere of Apulius Apulus
Speaker 1: or wheel of Pythagoras. So the cipher consists of a
Speaker 1: diagram and instructions to guide the user on how to
Speaker 1: predict the fate of a sick individual based on their name.
Speaker 1: As well as predicting the outcome, it can also give
Speaker 1: you information on whether a soldier or general is going
Speaker 1: to win the battle, whether or not lost property will
Speaker 1: be found, outcome of long journey, or in general, any
Speaker 1: kind of yes or no binary question. Translation of the
Speaker 1: cipher from Greek to Latin happened around the sixth century,
Speaker 1: and evidence of the sphere in the ancient world is
Speaker 1: found in different manuscripts, like there's a fourth century Greek
Speaker 1: papyrus containing magic and divination spells with the sphere included.
Speaker 1: Seric twelfth century translation showing the sphere had ancient roots,
Speaker 1: and they show that it enters into the Latin West
Speaker 1: around thirteen fourteenth century. So during the Middle Ages, it
Speaker 1: was very popular that if you attached a famous name,
Speaker 1: then it gave the document credibility, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why they use sphere of Pythagoras or fear sphere of
Speaker 1: Pulius Apulus Apulius. The Apulias sphere of life and death.
Speaker 1: Just real quickly. This guy apparently was a author and
Speaker 1: an occult. He wrote Golden ass about magic and metamorphosis,
Speaker 1: and that's where the story Cupid and Psyche comes from.
Speaker 1: He also wrote Apologia, which is a self defense for
Speaker 1: him against a charge of magic, so he kind of
Speaker 1: is admitting but saying he's sorry. And in the medical
Speaker 1: miscellany called Medica from fourteen fifteenth century England, explained how
Speaker 1: to use a sphere to predict whether the patient would
Speaker 1: live or die. And like I said, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: had their own methodology, so this one that's in front
Speaker 1: of us right now basically use the letters of a
Speaker 1: patient's name that were assigned numbers according to the scheme
Speaker 1: that was written on the outer ring of the sphere itself.
Speaker 1: To this, the number for the day of the week
Speaker 1: on which the patient became sick was added and then
Speaker 1: calculated according to the four corners of the sphere. And
Speaker 1: then after the calculations are done, you would you would
Speaker 1: see if the number would fall between one and thirty
Speaker 1: and depending on and where it fell, if the number
Speaker 1: was on the top half of the sphere, he would live.
Speaker 1: And if he was on the bottom half, he would
Speaker 1: die he or she. Yeah, that's kind of very flip
Speaker 1: coin type deal. Sphere of life and death was found
Speaker 1: in over sixty two manuscripts of late medieval English era,
Speaker 1: and although it was condemned by many theological and legal treaties,
Speaker 1: the medical cipher is one of the most frequent contents
Speaker 1: in all of these manuscripts. So even way if it
Speaker 1: was condemning, it was still being included in the condemnation treaty,
Speaker 1: which that was weird. But so you had Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you had different methodologies to it. Some of them was
Speaker 1: like you take the name of the patient, you take
Speaker 1: the name of the messenger that came to summon the physician,
Speaker 1: you take the name of the day upon which the
Speaker 1: message came to the physician, join them all together, and
Speaker 1: then calculate it if you had.
Speaker 3: A sounds like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it does, it does. And then like if
Speaker 1: the number was an even number, it would equal death.
Speaker 1: If it was an odd number, of equal life. So
Speaker 1: everybody kind of had their own like way of using
Speaker 1: the cipher, and so I think it just depended on
Speaker 1: the actual guy who was using it. So on some
Speaker 1: of these ciphers, you would apply, you know, the name
Speaker 1: of the patient, and it had a numerical value. So
Speaker 1: going back to the first episode where we talked about
Speaker 1: how you assign the alphabet to a number, they're still
Speaker 1: using that methodology. And then they're also using the number
Speaker 1: of day of the moon and like and I think
Speaker 1: it was the day of the moon and the planetary
Speaker 1: week day, and they would use the number one through
Speaker 1: thirty because of the thirty days of the moon. And
Speaker 1: then you calculated through like lunar tables and planetary weekdays
Speaker 1: or calculations, and then from that you would go on
Speaker 1: to say yes or no or whatever. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: just used for that. It was also used for like predicting,
Speaker 1: you know, is this guy gonna win a battle or
Speaker 1: is he gonna go on a great journey or not?
Speaker 3: Interesting. I just want to ask, I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Isn't it actually really though, closer to twenty eight days
Speaker 3: to the moon?
Speaker 1: I think so. That's kind of what I've always heard,
Speaker 1: that it was twenty eight day cycles of a moon.
Speaker 3: If that's true, though, that does make me again go
Speaker 3: back to the whole pupil dilation in your arrival from
Speaker 3: two millimeters anywhere from there to eight millimeters.
Speaker 1: That would make sense. That makes a lot more sense
Speaker 1: in me.
Speaker 3: That's and that still encompasses the two four, six and
Speaker 3: eight I say, is tooth two days?
Speaker 2: I want?
Speaker 1: I wonder and would that give you a kind of
Speaker 1: like a side note, would that give you an extra
Speaker 1: month so it would be thirteen months instead of twelve months?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not something. Yeah, there's something up with whether
Speaker 3: that twenty seen zodiacs instead of.
Speaker 1: Twelve, yeah, something instead of twelve. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like the difference maybe some people don't
Speaker 3: know between like tropical and cetereeal as well as like
Speaker 3: with stereo astrology, you're going by like the size of
Speaker 3: the thing the zodiacs in the sky. Not all of
Speaker 3: them are the same size, Some are smaller, some of
Speaker 3: bigger that one I think actually goes depending on the size,
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, you know, and the other ones are
Speaker 3: just chopped up into thirty degrees each regardless of the
Speaker 3: size of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, So one thing that I was and I
Speaker 1: looked this up on the figure closest to us on
Speaker 1: the left hand side, there's slight variations between these ciphers.
Speaker 1: So like in one of the cipher if you look
Speaker 1: really closely, the G on the outer part of the
Speaker 1: cipher one of them is like right above the living
Speaker 1: section of the hemisphere, whereas if you go to the
Speaker 1: other side, the G is kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: lower than the line of delineation. So it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on what cipher they're using, it's pretty
Speaker 1: much a coin toss, and I think most people would
Speaker 1: try to copy them and or they would use other
Speaker 1: methods to come up with their own, but kind of
Speaker 1: keeping with the same concept concept of the sphere, this
Speaker 1: one I thought was really interesting. So when people started
Speaker 1: going underground and hiding most of their ciphers, the figure
Speaker 1: on the left where you see the wheel within text,
Speaker 1: this is pretty much how they started hiding the sphere
Speaker 1: of divination and disguised it as like just a table
Speaker 1: within texts. So while the sphere appears to be part
Speaker 1: of the text in the manuscript, it's actually in fact
Speaker 1: still a divination device.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: To me, it looks like an iris, like the way
Speaker 1: the iris is, you know, kind.
Speaker 3: Of well like even some of the churches when you
Speaker 3: look up the top that we covered that we thought
Speaker 3: was like inside your eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And then the figure on the other
Speaker 1: side was another example of how like within the text
Speaker 1: and so this sphere wasn't just like, oh, it's this
Speaker 1: is the manuscript, this is where the sphere is found
Speaker 1: in the manuscript. No, it wasn't like that. This fear
Speaker 1: was put into different manuscripts of different types of topics
Speaker 1: or discussions. So like the one on the right hand side,
Speaker 1: you see a sphere, and the previous page was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the winds and how a regimen of being
Speaker 1: outside or the winds could contribute to maladies or sickness
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then you see this insert of this
Speaker 1: actual sphere or cipher like out of nowhere, and within
Speaker 1: the cipher itself it has the instructions of how to
Speaker 1: use it being written in it, and then it'll tell
Speaker 1: you something of like this is how you do it
Speaker 1: to calculate the planetary week days or the automatic technique
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you flip the page and now
Speaker 1: goes into diet of curing the patient or whatever. So
Speaker 1: it was like snuck into some of these texts to
Speaker 1: kind of hide what it was doing or what it
Speaker 1: you know that that it was even included some of
Speaker 1: these texts where these ciphers are found, they originate from
Speaker 1: So the cipher originates from the time of Pythagoras, and
Speaker 1: it basically said that they practice onomancy and that it
Speaker 1: continued throughout all the way into you see fourteenth century
Speaker 1: Oxford texts that contain this sphere, and that those medical
Speaker 1: texts were being expected to be learned by medical faculty
Speaker 1: as well as medical students. So even in Oxford and
Speaker 1: fourteenth century, they're they're being taught this sphere of life
Speaker 1: as a technique or a tool for divination as well
Speaker 1: as predicting the outcome of a patient. So that's pretty
Speaker 1: much it for me.
Speaker 3: Man, that was a lot from both of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a lot. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a lot in there, and a lot of the Masons use,
Speaker 1: it seems free Masons use a lot of these ciphers
Speaker 1: for their stuff as well, which I found pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they were that heavy into ciphers.
Speaker 3: I mean that's what like I was even trying to
Speaker 3: show with you know, with the Rosie Crows. You know,
Speaker 3: could could like even some secret societies have ciphers for
Speaker 3: their own specific texts to understand what they're saying specifically
Speaker 3: in their stuff, you know, and could that be part
Speaker 3: of maybe going up the ladder in itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be. Well, I mean they talked about
Speaker 1: how the Masons do I guess recogniz is kabbala or
Speaker 1: kabalistic methodology, and a lot of this is the ciphers
Speaker 1: are based with that in mind.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well that was Uh. I had a really
Speaker 3: good time covering that really went well. It was a lot,
Speaker 3: but no between both of us, that was I mean
Speaker 3: I went longer than you. That was a lot of
Speaker 3: information and that's what I really was just hoping to
Speaker 3: get out. I think that was extremely informative. The whole
Speaker 3: thing really, you know, this whole series is just showing
Speaker 3: how far back there's letters and numbers and how deep
Speaker 3: does it get, you know, and if this has been
Speaker 3: going on since how long ago? How do we know
Speaker 3: it's not going on now? We just have the slightest clue.
Speaker 1: Well, the evidence I'm not trying to say.
Speaker 3: That's all it is out there, but I'm just saying
Speaker 3: we have no idea.
Speaker 1: I have no idea the evidence of those people being
Speaker 1: in the Oculus society and they were the authors of
Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, How much How much more evidence do
Speaker 1: you need?
Speaker 3: I mean, look at that machine that I was talking
Speaker 3: about before. Yeah, of course we're associated with the Germans
Speaker 3: with it, right. The follow is up with this as
Speaker 3: as a magic. Look at the m M right there.
Speaker 3: This is a magic. I didn't even say that on purpose. Uh.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much Lisa from helping me with this. Uh.
Speaker 3: We had a blast. I really loved covering this whole series.
Speaker 3: Thank you everybody who checked out this live. I was,
Speaker 3: you know, a little hesitant to do it, but I'm
Speaker 3: very happy I did. That had to be one of
Speaker 3: the smoothest shows I've probably done in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so thank you Lisa. You've definitely helped get us a
Speaker 3: little bit more. You know in line here and that's
Speaker 3: such cluttered anymore, you know, there's some structure. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that went really good and I couldn't have been happier
Speaker 3: because of us doing this will be coming out probably PEP,
Speaker 3: we'll be able to go live with that because I
Speaker 3: think it should probably even should be actually easier to cover,
Speaker 3: easier to cover than this. But I wanted to cover
Speaker 3: some old grim wars, you know, I did that maybe
Speaker 3: a little repetitive, so some of the ogs that are
Speaker 3: in the chat right now. But again with that, it
Speaker 3: was just some more of an informative thing and was
Speaker 3: just kind of showing like how far back does this
Speaker 3: stuff go, you know, And I just think that sometimes
Speaker 3: maybe we don't realize the past and that's why we're
Speaker 3: a little confused about where we're heading now, you know,
Speaker 3: well what's going on now. So I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: do some like older informative episodes. So I look forward
Speaker 3: to doing that. Should hopefully be doing that in a
Speaker 3: few weeks. Oh, actually, if we do it live, we'll
Speaker 3: be next week. So yeah, so people, if people are listening,
Speaker 3: if we happen to go live next week, will be
Speaker 3: recording I think on Friday, probably around the same time
Speaker 3: the Occult Rejects will be recording a Grim Roars episode
Speaker 3: and be some old stuff in there and some just
Speaker 3: interesting stuff, you know. Thank you again for everybody who
Speaker 3: jumped in the chat on this live. That is what's up.
Speaker 3: I you know, say it, and I'm gonna keep saying
Speaker 3: it when I go live, and when we go live,
Speaker 3: definitely check out the chat if you're catching this live
Speaker 3: after the fact, if you can look at the chat
Speaker 3: while you're watching the live. I highly suggest it because
Speaker 3: there is a lot of good information in the chat
Speaker 3: and sometimes it could be you know, almost a whole
Speaker 3: other episode in itself, you know, especially when you got
Speaker 3: like slicked it in and there it's guys.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you all. I had a really good time,
Speaker 3: a really good Friday afternoon. And that is the end
Speaker 3: of another Occult Rejects And until the next one, everybody
Speaker 3: be well later