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<v Speaker 1>The music.

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<v Speaker 2>It is necessary for the recording of sound to convert

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<v Speaker 2>the sound waves to corresponding changes in light. The sound

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<v Speaker 2>waves produced by my voice are transmitted through the air

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<v Speaker 2>to the microphone, where these sound waves are converted to

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<v Speaker 2>changes in an electric current. These variations in the electric

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<v Speaker 2>current are then amplified and used to control the light.

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<v Speaker 2>This varying beam of light falling on the photoelectric cells

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<v Speaker 2>produces variations in the electric current which are directly proportional

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<v Speaker 2>to the variations in the light. Themes the crack. As

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<v Speaker 2>the varying electrical current in the photoelectric cell is small,

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<v Speaker 2>a ventuum tube amplifier is required to increase it to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where it will operate a loud speakers.

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<v Speaker 3>Con track. Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>third and final installment of the Jamachio Numerology and Cipher series,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously it's the cipher part of the series since

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't get to that in the first two. So

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<v Speaker 3>uh yeah, I got the I got the usual suspect

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<v Speaker 3>with me again, I got Lisa with me, finishing off

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<v Speaker 3>this three part series that I had a really good

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<v Speaker 3>time doing. I learned a lot, found some interesting stuff

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<v Speaker 3>and it was really just I was happy to put

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<v Speaker 3>this out for real. Same, Yeah, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>some a lot. Yeah, yeah, I think it was some

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<v Speaker 3>interesting work to you know, to say the least. And

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<v Speaker 3>I will pretty much get it going and started off.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'll add to people who have not well,

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't seen the first one or two, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't seen the second one yet, this hasn't come

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<v Speaker 3>out yet, but you should be okay, still checking this out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do suggest if you're coming across this to

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<v Speaker 3>check out the first one, you know, the first one

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<v Speaker 3>or two when you can. And here we go. So

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<v Speaker 3>I actually both of us have a bunch of ciphers

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<v Speaker 3>that we wanted to cover that I think are interesting

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<v Speaker 3>and just to be honest, I even think it's wild

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<v Speaker 3>how many ciphers are out there and how many are

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<v Speaker 3>still used and who they came from. I mean a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of them actually seem to have come from occultists.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that was just interesting to show as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, because again I will reiterate something I've said

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times. I do question if there's times that we're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the English language completely wrong, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that this is a way of that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to get into, you know, the Golden Dawn,

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<v Speaker 3>so I knew from the past that they had had

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<v Speaker 3>some stuff. I thought it'd been interesting to cover them

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit in this as well. The interesting thing

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<v Speaker 3>is is that the first two years of podcasting with

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<v Speaker 3>the Occult Rejects, I actually didn't learn or cover too

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<v Speaker 3>much about the Golden Dawn. This doesn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 3>to me, but somehow that happened, and I figured this

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<v Speaker 3>year I'm actually going to cover a little bit about them.

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<v Speaker 3>So besides this, I will be covering some interesting things

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<v Speaker 3>about the Golden Dawn. But to get into it with

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<v Speaker 3>the Ciphers, they do have the rose cross, or some

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<v Speaker 3>people call it the symbol of the rose and cross.

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<v Speaker 3>The rose cross is a symbol largely associated with the

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<v Speaker 3>legendary Christian rosen Cruse, Christian cabalyst and alchemist and founder

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<v Speaker 3>of the Rosicrucian Order. The rose cross is a cross

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<v Speaker 3>with a rose at its center, often red, golden, or white,

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<v Speaker 3>and symbolizes the teachings of a Western esoteric tradition with

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<v Speaker 3>Christian tenants. The Rosicrucian Manifestos were written during the Protestant

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<v Speaker 3>Reformation in Germany in nineteen in fifteen twenty. In fifteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>Martin Luther had a seal made with a five pedaled

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<v Speaker 3>white rose encapsulating a heart with a simple cross in

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<v Speaker 3>the center. Many allegorical and esoteric explanations for the rose

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<v Speaker 3>cross have arisen over the centuries. Some groups, such as

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<v Speaker 3>the ancient and mystical order Rose Crucius, purport that the

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<v Speaker 3>rosy cross predates Christianity, where the cross represents the human

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<v Speaker 3>body and the rose represents the individual's unfolding consciousness. Some

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<v Speaker 3>deep stuff there. Some say the rosy cross as a

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<v Speaker 3>symbol of the human process of reproduction elevation to the

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual very interesting. The fundamental symbols of the rosicrusions were

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<v Speaker 3>the rose and the cross, the rose female and the

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<v Speaker 3>cross male. As generation is the key to material existence,

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<v Speaker 3>it is natural that the rosicrusion should adopt its characteristic

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<v Speaker 3>symbols those exemplifying the reproductive processes, as regeneration is the

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<v Speaker 3>key to ex to spiritual existence. They therefore founded their

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<v Speaker 3>symbolism upon the rose and the cross, which typify the

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<v Speaker 3>redemption of man through the union of his lower temporal

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<v Speaker 3>nature with his higher eternal nature. It is further a

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<v Speaker 3>symbol of the Philosopher's Stone, the ultimate product of the alchemist.

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<v Speaker 3>Connections between Freemasonry and the rose cross exist from times

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<v Speaker 3>preceding the formation of actual Grand Lodge in seventeen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>as it is proved by the poem Threnody of Henry

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<v Speaker 3>Adamson from sixteen thirty eight. We are brethren of the

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<v Speaker 3>rosy crossy we have the Masonic where we have the

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<v Speaker 3>Mason word and second sight. The rosy cross is also

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<v Speaker 3>a symbol found in some Masonic Christian bodies and employed

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<v Speaker 3>by individuals and groups formed during the last centuries for

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<v Speaker 3>the study of Rosicrucian and allied subjects, but derived from

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<v Speaker 3>the adoption of a red rose. Within the Southern jurisdiction

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<v Speaker 3>of the Scottish Right Body of Freemasonry, the eighteenth degree

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<v Speaker 3>is specifically concerned with the rose cross and confers with

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<v Speaker 3>the titles of Knight rose Cross, one version of the

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<v Speaker 3>degree Albert Pike wrote about in eighteen seventy one. The

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<v Speaker 3>Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn made use of the

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<v Speaker 3>rosy cross as well, including the ritual of the rose Cross,

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<v Speaker 3>which is how I came to know what this was,

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<v Speaker 3>because I did practice that back in the day. Designed

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<v Speaker 3>for spiritual protection and as preparation for meditation. Based on

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<v Speaker 3>the Rosicrucian symbol of the red rose and the cross

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<v Speaker 3>of gold, it is also a key symbol of the

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<v Speaker 3>Golden Dawn's second order. According to Israel Regardi, the Golden

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<v Speaker 3>Dorn rosy cross contains attributes for the elements, planets, zodiac,

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<v Speaker 3>Hebrew alphabet, alchemical principles, the hexagram, n pentagram, the sepherod

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<v Speaker 3>of the Tree of life, and the formula of Inri,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the formula that I had mentioned was used

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<v Speaker 3>in the planetary hexagram ritol. On the back side of

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<v Speaker 3>the rosy cross is inscribed the motto of the Zelder

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<v Speaker 3>ademptis miner at the bottom and that is the Master

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, God and Man. That's between four Maltese crosses,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the center written in Latin, blessed be the Lord,

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<v Speaker 3>our God, who hath given us the symbol signum and

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<v Speaker 3>to continue regard he says of the Rosy Cross and

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<v Speaker 3>the Golden Dawn. The rose cross is a lineman or

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<v Speaker 3>badge synthesizing a vast concourse of ideas representing in a

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<v Speaker 3>single emblem the great work itself, the harmonious reconciliation in

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<v Speaker 3>one symbol of diverse and apparently contradictory concepts, the reconciliation

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<v Speaker 3>of divinity and manhood. It is a highly important symbol

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<v Speaker 3>to be worn over the heart during every important operation.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a glyph in one sense, of the higher

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<v Speaker 3>Genius to whose knowledge and conversation the student is eternally aspiring.

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<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be always inspiring to have kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like knowledge and conversation with your Holy Guardian Angel when

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<v Speaker 3>in ritual magic. So yeah, that is the whole goal

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<v Speaker 3>of the magician is to have knowledge and conversation with

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<v Speaker 3>your Holy Guardian Angel. We're supposed to be yeah. In

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<v Speaker 3>the rituals. It is described as the key of siituals

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<v Speaker 3>in rituals. And then we have the symbol of the

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<v Speaker 3>golden dawn rosy cross. This laman is a complete synthesis

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<v Speaker 3>of the masculine positive or rainbow scale of color attributions,

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<v Speaker 3>which is also called the scale of the King. Remember

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<v Speaker 3>I've even said that with stuff you have the King scale,

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<v Speaker 3>the Queen scale. You have four different colors kabalistically that

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<v Speaker 3>you could have on each Sepharoth. The four arms of

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<v Speaker 3>the cross belong to four elements and are colored accordingly.

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<v Speaker 3>The white portion belongs to the Holy Spirit and the planets.

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<v Speaker 3>The petals of the rose refer to the twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>paths on the Tree of Life and the twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>letters of the Hebrew alphabet. It is the CROs thus

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<v Speaker 3>in Tifereth, the receptacle and center of forces of the

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<v Speaker 3>Cepharoth and the paths. The extreme center of the rose

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<v Speaker 3>is white, the reflected spiritual brightness of Kether, bearing upon

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<v Speaker 3>it the red rows of five petals and the golden

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<v Speaker 3>cross of six squares. Four green rays issue from around

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<v Speaker 3>the angles of the cross. Upon the white portion of

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<v Speaker 3>the laman. Below the rose is placed the hexagram with

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<v Speaker 3>the petals with the planets. Around the pentagrams, which are

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<v Speaker 3>placed upon each elemental colored arm, are drawn the symbols

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<v Speaker 3>of the Spirit in four elements upon each of the

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<v Speaker 3>of sulfur, salt, and murcury. The white rays issuing from

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<v Speaker 3>behind the rose at the inner angles between the arms

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<v Speaker 3>of the cross are the rays of the divine light,

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<v Speaker 3>issuing the reflected light of Kether in center and in

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<v Speaker 3>the letters and symbols of them refer to the analysis

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<v Speaker 1>Which was at the top of the when Jesus Christ Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The rose cross also has a place in the system

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<v Speaker 3>of Ordo temple Orientue. It is associated with the fifth degree.

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<v Speaker 3>This is reasons why I'm going on and on about

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<v Speaker 3>when you start getting to higher up degrees, well they'll

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<v Speaker 3>maybe be like, could this be part of a cipher?

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<v Speaker 3>Could you be told that this is like used for something,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about the fifth degree. You're not getting to

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<v Speaker 3>That's another thing that I thought was interesting. How it

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<v Speaker 3>it's the fifth degree the one that you can now

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<v Speaker 3>you cannot petition higher than the fourth Oh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>could there be something up with like learning a secret?

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<v Speaker 3>The members of the fifth degree are responsible for all

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<v Speaker 3>that concerns the social welfare of the order. This great

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<v Speaker 3>natural stopping place of the majority of men and women

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<v Speaker 3>for to proceed Father, as will appear, involves reuncination of

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<v Speaker 3>on all planes. The Sovereign Prince rose Cross is attached

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<v Speaker 3>equally to the higher and the lower in forms of

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<v Speaker 3>natural link between them. And then we have you know,

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<v Speaker 3>completely different because it is circular and not square like

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<v Speaker 3>the other ones that we showed. So you could have

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<v Speaker 3>these same letters that you were going to draw a

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<v Speaker 3>sigil with, and now it's going to be completely different

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<v Speaker 3>looking because it's think about it, technically, it's a different cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a totally different cipher right based on its own.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's like even stuff I was getting at with

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<v Speaker 3>that decidial the square that added up to thirty four

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<v Speaker 3>different numerical value are growing to create a completely different

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<v Speaker 3>sigil even though it's the same thing. So there's something

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>The pentagrammaton is an allegorical form of the Hebrew names

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<v Speaker 3>of Jesus, or it could be a Yeheshua constructed from

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<v Speaker 3>Anastasia's Kirture and Johann Baptiste Groschetto. If I'm pronouncing that right,

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen nineteen. The essential idea of the pentagrammaton is of

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<v Speaker 3>an alphabetic constant framework. They're going to try to pronounce

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<v Speaker 3>this whole thing, but it's y H. Then the sh

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<v Speaker 3>or V. Since the Hebrew letter writes either a W

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<v Speaker 3>or a constant sound, you can start changing the V

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<v Speaker 3>some more golden down the cipher manuscripts of the Hermetic

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<v Speaker 3>Order of the Golden Doorn. The Cipher Manuscripts are a

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<v Speaker 3>elements of earth, air, water, and fire. The occult materials

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<v Speaker 3>in the manuscripts are a compendium of the classical magical

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the nineteenth century, combined to create an

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<v Speaker 3>It was used as the structure for the hemetic order

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<v Speaker 3>of the Golden Down. The folios are drawn in black

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<v Speaker 3>ink on cotton paper, watermarked eighteen o nine. Supposedly. The

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<v Speaker 3>text is plain English, written from right to left in

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<v Speaker 3>a simple substitution cryptogram. Numerals are substituted by Hebrew letters

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<v Speaker 3>alf equals one, bet equals to so on crude. There's

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<v Speaker 3>drawings of diagrams, magical implements and tarot cards are added

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<v Speaker 3>into the text, and one final page transcribes into French

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<v Speaker 3>and Latin. The ciphers contained the outlines of a series

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<v Speaker 3>of graded rituals in the syllabus for a course of

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<v Speaker 3>instruction in Kabbalah and Hermetic magic, including astrology, occult taro, geomancy,

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<v Speaker 3>and alchemy. It also contains several diagram uh, several manuscripts

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<v Speaker 3>of the this sorry screwing this up, the cipher manuscripts

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<v Speaker 3>of the original source upon which the rituals and the

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge lectures of the Hemetic Order of the Golden Doorn

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<v Speaker 3>were based. So supposedly, you know, this thing is supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to have a lot of the secrets, that is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>within the Hermatic Order of the Golden Dorn encrypted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the basic structure of the rituals and the names of

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<v Speaker 3>the grades are similar to those of the roch Rosicrucion

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<v Speaker 3>order orders Societist Rosicrushion and in Anglia and the German

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<v Speaker 3>order uhd in the German Ordered your gold whatever. So

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<v Speaker 3>in case people are like looking or listening if you're

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<v Speaker 3>listening to the podcast when this drops again, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to, highly suggest to check out the video.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have some more slides up again and you

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<v Speaker 3>folio if it's correct or not, but you know, this

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<v Speaker 3>is what's out there to get. In eighteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>William Westcott reportedly purchased the Cipher Manuscript from a bookstore

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<v Speaker 3>on Farringdon Road in London. The manuscriptfolios were coded based

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<v Speaker 3>on Trithemius's stenografia his book, and Trithimius was the guy

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<v Speaker 3>that we covered in Part two. Between the pages of

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<v Speaker 3>the manuscript, Wescott reportedly found a sheet of paper with

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<v Speaker 3>the name and address of a certain Friulian Sprindle if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that correctly, and alleged Rosicrucian ad Depth living

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<v Speaker 3>in Germany. Westcott supposed deciphered the manuscript and the ensuing

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<v Speaker 3>rituals were written by McGregor McGregor Mathers. Wes Scott then

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<v Speaker 3>purportedly corresponded with Springle, who allegedly authorized him to found

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<v Speaker 3>an English branch of the German occult society Zurg Golden

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<v Speaker 3>Morgan Ruth that's how you say it right. Wescott, Mathers

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<v Speaker 3>and W. R. Woodman founded the isis Uraniate Temple Number

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<v Speaker 3>three of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Down in

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen eighty eight. It was crazy eights. So this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of becomes the official story of the founding of the

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<v Speaker 3>medic Order of the Golden Dorn. The truth, however, is

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat different in reality. When Wescott obtained the Cipher manuscripts

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<v Speaker 3>from the widow of the famous Roja Kruscian and Freemasonic

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<v Speaker 3>researcher Kenneth Mackenzie following his death in eighteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 3>Wes Scott then de liberately attempted to obscure the true

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<v Speaker 3>source with the Friulian Sprinkle story. That's like another theory.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we get to Uh. It was one of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite people to cover. In the last episode, we're

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<v Speaker 3>back to Johannes Trithemius and that will be uh. Polygraphia

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<v Speaker 3>from fifteen eighteen. That's old as shit, Yeah, okay. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Polographia is a cryptographic work written by Johannes Trithemius, published

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<v Speaker 3>in fifteen eighteen, dedicated to the art of stenograph whatever steganography.

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<v Speaker 3>The full title is Oh my God, this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is funny Polygrapha libri sex Ohannis Trithemie abbotis Pio Polotani

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<v Speaker 3>Quondamus Spana Hymenis and Maximilian them Caesar Caesar M. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that's its yo, Why did would you even

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<v Speaker 3>want to write a title that long?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it either.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to make the episode short and sweet, like

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<v Speaker 3>I know. Oh Man is the oldest known source of

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<v Speaker 3>the popular which is alphabet. He used that used a

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<v Speaker 3>large by the modern traditions of witchcraft. So that's another

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<v Speaker 3>reason why I am covering this as well, is because

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<v Speaker 3>like this is even something that got influenced, that influenced

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like kind of today's Wika in a sense,

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<v Speaker 3>or witchcraft. So you know, this goes back a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit further than some people might think, and it's still

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<v Speaker 3>kind of predominant in its own way today. I'll switch

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<v Speaker 3>the slide here. This is just you know, you can

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<v Speaker 3>see some of the what was going on in this book.

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<v Speaker 3>It is composed of six books and a clavis, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a key book. One contains no fewer than three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and eighty four alphabets of twenty four letters or

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<v Speaker 3>degrees each letter. Each letter corresponds to a Latin word, noun, verb, adjective,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. In reference to Christian prayers, and religious texts,

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<v Speaker 3>being in total nine thousand, two hundred and sixteen different words.

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<v Speaker 3>This is nowadays known as the ave Maria cipher, which

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<v Speaker 3>mostly uses only a few of the first alphabets. Book

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<v Speaker 3>two contains three hundred and eight more Latin alphabets with

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<v Speaker 3>seven hundred and thirty nine seven hundred seven thou three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and ninety two words, again using Latin words with

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<v Speaker 3>mostly religious context. Book three represents one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 3>two alphabets in three columns, which is which are three thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and sixty eight dictions of a universal language,

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<v Speaker 3>where each letter is equivalent to an invented word. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot going on with these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, the fact that they invent words and vocabulary

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<v Speaker 1>is just yeah, it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>Takes a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Book four shows two thousand, eight hundred and eighty invented

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<v Speaker 3>alphabet diictions and one hundred and twenty alphabets. To decode,

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<v Speaker 3>one must simply extract the second letter of each word.

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<v Speaker 3>Book four reproduces two chronical hash tables, one direct with

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<v Speaker 3>eighty alphabets and the other inverted with ninety eight alphabets,

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<v Speaker 3>allowing infinite permutation, to which twelve planispheric wheels, each comprising

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<v Speaker 3>six categories of twenty four numbers, combined with the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four letters, and thus allowing an elaborate and big amount

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<v Speaker 3>of seiphered messages. I mean, that probably didn't even make

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<v Speaker 3>sense to most people, so uh yeah, yeah, sorry, don

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that was, but I was totally

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<v Speaker 3>fine on my side, so maybe yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>The work ends with the alphabets of his invention as

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<v Speaker 3>the Tetragrammaticus formed by four characters that are diversified in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four letters, and the enig Grammaticus of nine characters

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty eight letters. And then here we have the

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<v Speaker 3>Theban alphabet, which I find this very interesting. The Theban alphabet,

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<v Speaker 3>also known as the witch's alphabet, is a writing system,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically a substitution cipher of the Latin script that was

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<v Speaker 3>Wicker movement. It is also known as the Honor Honorean

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<v Speaker 3>alphabet or the Ruins of Honors, or the witch's alphabet

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<v Speaker 3>due to its use in modern wicker and other forms

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<v Speaker 3>of witchcraft as one of the many substitution ciphers to

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<v Speaker 3>hide magical writings such as the context of a book

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<v Speaker 3>of Shadows from other people. The Thebian alphabet has not

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<v Speaker 3>been found in any publications prior to that of Trithemius,

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<v Speaker 3>So as of right now, basically, you know, if this

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<v Speaker 3>even know that this goes all the way back to

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen eighteen. They probably think that fucking Ontz's face came

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<v Speaker 3>up with this shit when he's Gardner, no idea, zero glue,

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<v Speaker 3>probably have no idea that Gardner was also a student

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<v Speaker 3>of Crowley. So basically you got thelema light with Wicka.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to tell you. Yeah, uh, there is one

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<v Speaker 3>to correspond differences between Oh let me see, so I

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<v Speaker 3>guess which is the light here? Yeah, there is one

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<v Speaker 3>to one correspondence between theban and the letters. In the

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<v Speaker 3>old Latin alphabet. The modern characters Jane and you are

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<v Speaker 3>not represented. They often transliterated using the theban characters for

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<v Speaker 3>I and V. In the original chart by Trithemius, the

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<v Speaker 3>letter W comes after Z as it was a recent

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<v Speaker 3>addition to the Latin alphabet and did not yet have

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<v Speaker 3>a standard position. This caused it to be misinterpreted as

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<v Speaker 3>in apper sand or end of sentence mark kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like something that I will be getting into. There's like

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<v Speaker 3>a dancing man thing and like to show that the

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<v Speaker 3>end of a word or something, they use like a

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<v Speaker 3>flag where the person will be holding a flag. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the way to show you that there's like a stop.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. I'm assuming they're probably saying something like the

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<v Speaker 3>Z might have been screwing that up. Oh yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>And the sentence mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some users of those later charged transliterate W using

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<v Speaker 3>the Theban characters for VV. That is even another thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if people know back in the day

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<v Speaker 3>with typewriters, sometimes they did not actually have all those

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<v Speaker 3>UV and W. You just used one. Sometimes it was

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<v Speaker 3>a V. You used two of them to make a W.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you use the V and for you and just

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<v Speaker 3>hope the people understood, which I think it was like

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<v Speaker 3>almost kind of understood.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't the Roman alphabet like they used the V instead

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<v Speaker 1>of a U or a U S V or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, Yeah, interchangeably.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric S. Raymond, an American software developer and author, has

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<v Speaker 3>created a draft proposal for adding the Theban alphabet to

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<v Speaker 3>the Universal Coded Character Set or unicode, So I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a little interesting. Then we have here something that brought

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<v Speaker 3>up in last episode. Now we're gonna get into it

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more. Is the be being tablet? The

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<v Speaker 3>ben being tablet or ben being table of isis is

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<v Speaker 3>an elaborate table of bronze with enamel its silver inlay,

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<v Speaker 3>most probably of Roman origin but imitating the ancient Egyptian style.

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<v Speaker 3>It was named in the Renaissance after Cardinal Bembo, a

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<v Speaker 3>celebrated antiquarium who acquired it after fifteen after the fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven Sack of Rome. Therefore, was used to penetrate

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<v Speaker 3>the meaning of Egyptian higher glyphs, which were not authentically

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<v Speaker 3>deciphered until the nineteenth century. I'm like, are they authentically deciphered? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all dames, we're just being told someone like bolshit,

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<v Speaker 3>we got the comic book version of what the hieroglyphs?

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<v Speaker 3>Who got the Marvel version. Owing to these prior misconceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>the tablet became of importance to Western esoteric traditions. The

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<v Speaker 3>tablet is now regarded as of Roman rather than Egyptian origin,

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<v Speaker 3>like I was just saying before, dating to some time

416
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<v Speaker 3>in the first century. Little is known about its subsequent history,

417
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>and told the Sack of Rome in fifteen twenty seven,

418
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 3>like I was mentioning before. After his death in fifteen

419
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 3>forty seven, the tablet was acquired by Gonzaga rulers of Mantua,

420
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>remaining in their museum until the capture of the city

421
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 3>in sixteen thirty by Ferdinand the Second's troops. It then

422
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 3>passed through various hands until the French conquest of Italy

423
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:56.119
<v Speaker 3>in seventeen ninety seven. Alexander Lenore mentioned in eighteen oh

424
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<v Speaker 3>nine that it was on exhibition in the Biblo tech

425
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 3>National after Napoleon's downfall, was returned to Italy to become

426
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 3>a central exhibit, where it has remained. The tablet was

427
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 3>made of bronze with enamel and silver inlay, and the

428
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 3>fingers cut very shallow, and the contours of most of

429
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 3>them delineated with thin silver wire. The bases of which

430
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 3>the figures sat were covered with silver, later torn away

431
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 3>and these sections or left blank. You know, I know,

432
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.480
<v Speaker 3>sometimes I guess, like depending on the situation, or like

433
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 3>what the person is doing, like I can see it

434
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 3>being silly, or like making fun of like somebody using

435
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 3>wire but when you have to start getting down to

436
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 3>the whole idea, if there's electricity and energy being used,

437
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 3>and if you start like actually really like designing it

438
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 3>into things, I do wonder like is there actually something

439
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 3>to that? Yeah, you know, and like we just like

440
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 3>ignorant and laugh at it and think it's silly, you know,

441
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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't think Crowley put Copper down his fucking on.

442
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>For no reason, no exactly, you know.

443
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 3>I think it just maybe depends on the situation if

444
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 3>it's actually making sense. But I do wonder about that.

445
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, even like certain tablets are supposed to be

446
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 3>made out of certain stones, it is does that have

447
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.720
<v Speaker 3>to do with Yeah, that's.

448
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 1>A very interesting thought. I think certain tablets weren't they

449
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>written on metal as well? Some of them?

450
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Or no, I'm not sure. I can't remember what it was,

451
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 3>but I did have I had a few friends that

452
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.920
<v Speaker 3>were very much into like Solomonic magic and stuff or

453
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 3>like kind of like Christian magic, and there was a

454
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 3>certain type of tablet in it that they would like,

455
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you were gangster, you went out and

456
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 3>spent ridiculous money on the right fucking stone, you know what.

457
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember where it is right now, but it's

458
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be in a certain size. There's actually you know,

459
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.359
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be made in a certain way except for reasons.

460
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<v Speaker 1>You know, right.

461
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The basis on which the figures sat were covered

462
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 3>with silver, later torn away. These sections are left blank.

463
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<v Speaker 3>It is an important example of ancient and Middle metallurgy,

464
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 3>its surface being decorated with a variety of metals, including silver, gold, copper, gold, alloy,

465
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and various base metals. One of the metals employed is

466
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 3>black made by alloyin copper and tin with small amounts

467
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 3>of gold and silver and then pickling it in an

468
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>organic acid. So I mean there was a lot of

469
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>work done here.

470
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yeah, this have for this.

471
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<v Speaker 3>You know. This black metal is possibly a variety of

472
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Corinthian bronze described by Pliny and Plutarch. You know, it's

473
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<v Speaker 3>funny that you even mentioned a recipe because I think

474
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 3>I might have taken it out of here. But there

475
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 3>was I think one cipher that I might cover that

476
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 3>was eventually found. Yeah, they found something that they knew

477
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 3>could have been like deciphered with one of these ciphers

478
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 3>that I'm covering, And eventually when they went and deciphered

479
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 3>this thing that they thought, I guess was like almost

480
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 3>like a treasure map in a sense. They were like, Oh,

481
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>it ended up turning out to be a recipe. Oh wow, yeah,

482
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>I think I might even have told you that. And

483
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 3>the way you just said that now and I had

484
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 3>said to you, I was like, but if I would

485
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 3>have gotten a recipe out of the cipher, I wouldn't

486
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 3>have stopped there. I would have thought, Okay, this is

487
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 3>something else.

488
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Now you know what I'm saying.

489
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 3>And like, how do you know, Like maybe they do

490
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 3>put recipes on what they're doing out there in a cipher? Yeah,

491
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, who knows. Although although the scenes are egyptianizing,

492
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 3>they do not depict Egyptian rights. Figures are shown with

493
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 3>non customary attributes, making it unclear which are divinities and

494
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 3>which and which kings or queens. Egyptian motives are used

495
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.920
<v Speaker 3>without rhyme or reason. However, the central figure is recognizable

496
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 3>as isis, suggesting that the tablet originated in some Roman

497
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>center of her worship. Here are some of like, you know,

498
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 3>other ones I'm showing you on the screen if people

499
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 3>want to check it out. On the earliest one of

500
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 3>the earliest scholars to study the tablet was Piero Valeriano Bolzani,

501
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 3>who may have seen it before it became generally known

502
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>after the Sack of fifteen twenty seven. His hieroglyphica Sieve

503
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 3>disacris Egyptorium literis Commentarai seems to have been composed earlier

504
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 3>than that, although it was published much later. So his

505
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 3>book was the source for the English physician and philosopher

506
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Sir Thomas Brown, who, in his discourse The Garden of

507
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Cyrus from sixteen forty eight, alludes to the figure of

508
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 3>Isis and no Cyrus and the Tutelary spirits and the

509
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Bembin table a table. Seventeenth century scholars of comparative religion,

510
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 3>such as Kircher and Brown at tempted to reconcile the

511
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 3>wisdom of Antiquity with Christianity. The ben being and the

512
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>ben Being tablet was interpreted as such a way to

513
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 3>do it. So they were even trying to, like, in

514
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, tie, I guess occultism maybe or a cult

515
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>knowledge to Christianity, and this was kind of a way

516
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 3>to do that in a sense. Kirch's speculations were used

517
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 3>by several occultists, including Elevis Levi, William Westcott, and Manly

518
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 3>p hole as a key to interpreting the Book of

519
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Toath or Tarot. Playtonistic writer Thomas Taylor even claimed that

520
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 3>this tablet formed the altar before which Plato stood as

521
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 3>he received initiation with a subterranean hole in the Great

522
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Pyramid of Gizo. Wow.

523
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

524
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, there was like just an interesting tablet with

525
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 3>some interesting history behind it. That's old as hell, you know.

526
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 3>It's like a cipher. Yeah, this is a fun, fun

527
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 3>one here. The pig Pen cipher, the pig Pen Cipher ultimately,

528
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 3>or you could call it the Masonic cipher, the Freemason Cipher,

529
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the Rojia Cruscan Cipher, Napoleon Cipher, and the Tic tac

530
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Toe cipher. The cipher is geometric simple substitution cipher which

531
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 3>exchanges letters for symbols, which are fragments of a grid.

532
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 3>The example key shows one way the letters can be

533
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 3>designed to the grid can be assigned to the grid.

534
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 3>The cipher is believed to be an ancient cipher and

535
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 3>is said to have originated with the Hebrew rabbis. Thompson

536
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 3>writes that there is evidence that suggests the Knights Templar

537
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 3>utilized a pig pen cipher during the Christian Crusades. In

538
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 3>fifteen thirty one, Cornelius Agrippa, who we talked a lot

539
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.239
<v Speaker 3>about in the last episode, described in early form of

540
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 3>the Rosicrucian cipher, which he attributes to an existing Jewish

541
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 3>Kabbalistic tradition. This system called the Kabbala of the Nine Chambers,

542
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 3>which then in nineteen thirty three we got the thirty

543
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 3>six chambers. By what no but stop playing around. This system,

544
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 3>called the Kabbala of the Nine Chambers by later authors,

545
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 3>used the Hebrew alphabet rather than the Latin alphabet, and

546
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 3>was used for religious symbolism rather than for any apparent

547
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 3>cryptological purpose. Variations of this cipher were used by the

548
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Rosicrucians and the Freemasons, though the Masons used the pig

549
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>pen cipher so often that the system is frequently called

550
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 3>the Freemason cipher. Heisen claims it was invented by Freemasons.

551
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 3>He began using it in the early eighteenth century to

552
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>keep their records of history and writes private and for

553
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 3>correspondence between large leaders. Tombstones of Freemasons can also be found,

554
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 3>which used the system as part of the engravings. One

555
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 3>of the earliest stones in the Trinity Church Cemetery in

556
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 3>New York City, of course it has to be New York,

557
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 3>which opened in sixteen ninety seven, contains a cipher of

558
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.920
<v Speaker 3>this type which deciphers to remember death. That's what they cipher.

559
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Remember that George Washington's army had documentation about the system

560
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 3>with a much more randomized form of the alphabet. During

561
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the American Civil War, the system was used by Union

562
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 3>prisoners in Confederate prisons. Yeah, so that's kind of interesting

563
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 3>right there. And you know, I even found interesting on that.

564
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 3>I understand it's like a remake. I gotta look into it,

565
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 3>but it's like, why does that Why does that thing

566
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 3>have the SS on it? Oh?

567
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

568
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why does our army over here back then have

569
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 3>SYS on them? That's very interesting, That's very yeah, fun

570
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 3>A little fun fact. Throw this in the Diana Doores

571
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 3>English actress and blonde bombshell. Diana Doores was once considered

572
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 3>a rival to Marilyn Monroe. When she passed away at

573
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 3>the age of fifty two, she had left behind an

574
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 3>encoded message which only her husband had the key to

575
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 3>the message. It was said to lead to millions of pounds,

576
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 3>which the actress had hidden. Unfortunately, Door's husband died just

577
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.880
<v Speaker 3>a few months after her. Her son then faced the

578
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 3>task of decrypting the message without the key. He noticed

579
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 3>that the first part was in a version of ping

580
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 3>pen cipher and was able to code that to read

581
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 3>locations and names. Underneath that was a message encoded using

582
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 3>a different cipher. Eventually, Dor's son got help from British

583
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.559
<v Speaker 3>cryptologist Andrew Clark, who determined it was encoded in the

584
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 3>viganeer or however you say that cipher. When decoded, it

585
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 3>was a list of names and locations. However, what the

586
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 3>list meant has never been determined, and the money has

587
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 3>not been recovered.

588
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, can you imagine?

589
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 3>It's probably like, well, listen, I'm gonna be totally honest

590
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 3>with you. If I came into a fuck ton of money,

591
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 3>I ain't telling anybody either, because everybod's gonna have their handout.

592
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true.

593
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh you only only know me now because I found

594
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 3>free money. Yeah, come on, I'm sure people the same

595
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>way they were back then. She said, I'm just giving

596
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 3>my mouth shitw of this kid.

597
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but sorry, I can't pay my electric ball. Yeah

598
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 1>my mom My mom had the money and I can't

599
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:35.159
<v Speaker 1>figure out where she put it.

600
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh, so now we'll go into the one that

601
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 3>we just mentioned. Oh here's another, uh, another fun fact

602
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 3>here thing which for decades, the US and Germany owned

603
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 3>a Swiss crypto company used by one hundred and twenty

604
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 3>twenty countries unfettered acts to encrypted messages from Iran, Libya

605
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 3>and others. CRYPTOAG, a Swiss cryptographic communications gear company that

606
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 3>got its big break building code making gear for the

607
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.039
<v Speaker 3>US Army and World War Two, has been a provider

608
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 3>of encryption systems for more than one hundred and twenty countries,

609
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>and according to a report by the Washington Post and

610
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 3>German broadcaster ZDF, the company was owned outright for decades

611
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 3>by the Central Intelligent Agency and German's Intelligent Agency the

612
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 3>B and D, allowing the CIA, the National Security, and

613
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 3>German intelligence to read the most sensitive communications from everyone

614
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 3>but the Soviets and Chinese. Basically supposedly that unpresent that

615
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 3>ridiculous amount of level of access allowed to the United

616
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.199
<v Speaker 3>States to monitor Iranian communications during the Iranian hostage crisis.

617
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 3>They had the argent communications during the Falklands War, they

618
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 3>had the communications of the Egyptian president and wore Sadat

619
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 3>during negotiations of an Egypt Israel peace deal at Camp David.

620
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean they have had tons of things that they

621
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 3>knew about. In CIA documents, CRYPTOAG was referred to by

622
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<v Speaker 3>the code name Minerva. Come on, yeah, now come. The

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<v Speaker 3>US government began its relationship with crypto AG's founder, Boris Haglan,

624
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<v Speaker 3>who fled from Norway to the US during World War Two.

625
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<v Speaker 3>In the late nineteen fifties, the US persuaded him to

626
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<v Speaker 3>limit the strength of cryptographic gear sold to other countries

627
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 3>in exchange for a licensing agreement that would compensate the

628
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<v Speaker 3>company for lost sales. As the company moved to electronic encryption,

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<v Speaker 3>US intelligence began to have an even greater role, with

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<v Speaker 3>the NSA essentially designing the entirety of the company's first

631
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<v Speaker 3>all electronic encryption system, released in nineteen sixty seven. So like,

632
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 3>the NSA designed it for it.

633
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<v Speaker 1>And don't try anybody else or give them the water

634
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<v Speaker 1>down version.

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<v Speaker 3>Even as CRYPTOAG provided a wealth of intelligence, by nineteen

636
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<v Speaker 3>eighty it provided about forty percent of NSA's take from

637
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 3>other countries, countries, diplomatic cables, and other encrypted communications. It

638
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 3>also generated millions in revenue that the CIA and BND

639
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 3>split and plowed into other operations of course. Yeah, so,

640
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 3>and then we'll move on to this cipher here. I

641
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 3>just thought that was some interesting, you know, fun fact

642
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 3>stuff there. Yeah, you know how our government is even

643
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<v Speaker 3>into the whole cipher's thing, which a lot of the

644
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 3>ciphers have come from occultists. Yes, so it's like, you know,

645
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 3>we're getting we're getting an influence from occultism with letters

646
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 3>and numbers, So maybe we're not crazy when we think

647
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 3>there's something there with letters and numbers and americal value,

648
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 3>just saying maybe, yeah, exactly. Uh, I don't even know

649
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.639
<v Speaker 3>how you say this the how would you pronounce this

650
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<v Speaker 3>if you don't.

651
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<v Speaker 1>Mind big yeah right, yeah, it's trying to think of

652
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 1>how I would say that with like a French accident and.

653
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<v Speaker 3>This This cipher is a method of encrypting alphabetic text.

654
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 3>For each letter of the plain text is encoded with

655
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 3>a different Caesar cipher, whose increment is determined by the

656
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 3>corresponding letter of another text or the key. The cipher

657
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 3>is therefore a special case for poly alphabetic substitution, first

658
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 3>described by Geo Van Bautista Molasso in fifteen fifty three.

659
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.400
<v Speaker 3>The cipher is easy to understand and implement, but it

660
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 3>resisted all attempts to break it until eighteen sixty three.

661
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<v Speaker 3>Three centuries later. This earned its description in French for

662
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 3>the indecipherable cipher. Many people have tried to implement encryption

663
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 3>schemes that are essentially kind of like this. In eighteen

664
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<v Speaker 3>sixty three, Friedrich Kassiki Cassiski was the first to publish

665
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<v Speaker 3>a general method of deciphering Viganeer ciphers in the nineteenth century.

666
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 3>The scheme was misattributed to Blaze D. Vigineer from fifty

667
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty three to fifteen ninety six, so that's kind of

668
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 3>a way it has its name now. The very first

669
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<v Speaker 3>well documented description of the poly alphabetic cipher was by

670
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 3>Leon Battista Alberti around fourteen sixty seven, and used a

671
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 3>metal full cipher disk to switch between cipher alphabets. Alberti's

672
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 3>system only switched alphabets after several words, and switches were

673
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 3>indicated by writing the letter of the corresponding alphabet in

674
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<v Speaker 3>the cipher text. Later Johannes Trithemius, in his work polygraphe

675
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 3>which I mentioned before from fifteen eighteen, invented the tabula recta,

676
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 3>a critical component of this cipher now the trith to

677
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 3>MEAs cipher, however, provided a progressive, rather rigid and predictable,

678
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:38.599
<v Speaker 3>predictable system for switching between cipher alphabets. In fifteen eighty six,

679
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Blase D. Vigineer published a type of polyalphabetic cipher called

680
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 3>an auto key cipher because its key is based on

681
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 3>the original plain text before the Court of Henry three

682
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>of France. The cipher now known as the Vigineer cipher, however,

683
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 3>it is originally just again by Battista Balauso. He built

684
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 3>upon the tabula rectus by adding a repeating counter sign

685
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 3>that he got from Tritemius to switch cipher alphabets every letter.

686
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.760
<v Speaker 3>So that was like a way to even make it.

687
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>More complex, more difficulty.

688
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah. The Viganeer cipher is simple enough to be

689
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 3>a field ciphered and if it is used in conjunction

690
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 3>with cipher skills. The Confederate States of America, for example,

691
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 3>used a brass cipher disc to implement Viganeer cipher. During

692
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 3>the American Civil War, the Confederacy's message were far from secret,

693
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>and the Union regularly cracked its messages. Throughout the war.

694
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 3>The Confederate leadership primarily relied upon three key phrases Manchester Bluff,

695
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 3>complete victory, and as the war came close, it came

696
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 3>to a close come retribution. Viganeer cipher was completely random

697
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 3>and non reusable key, which as long as the message

698
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 3>becomes a one time pad theoretically and unbreakable cipher. If

699
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.960
<v Speaker 3>you think about it, it kind of reminds me a little

700
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.320
<v Speaker 3>bit of like how we do that with like emails now.

701
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 3>M no, it's like that's true for encryption on emails. Yeah,

702
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 3>but uh yeah, I thought that one was rather interesting.

703
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 3>I covered that.

704
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of like how the algorithms work,

705
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>right with some of these security stuff on the computers

706
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, is they're using these ciphers and

707
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>they've just like supersize them on grander scale.

708
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just kind of like boost them up or

709
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 3>make them a little bit like more complicated. I think,

710
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 3>mm hm. Oh. Then we got like I consider this

711
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of like another interesting fun fact. This is the

712
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Dancing Men's Cipher was invented by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

713
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 3>and appeared in his story The Adventure of the Dancing Men.

714
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.039
<v Speaker 3>And this story, Sherlock Holmes discovered that the dancing figures

715
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 3>is a secret cipher and cracks the code. The story

716
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 3>doesn't cover all the letters, but the alphabet was completed

717
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 3>by Age Rike Sorenson, who also added numerals. The Dancing

718
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Men's Cipher originated from the Charlock Holmes story The Adventure

719
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 3>of the Dancing Men. And the story, Charlock Holmes examines

720
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the occurrences of the dancing figures and realize that it

721
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 3>is a substitution cipher. He then cracks the code by

722
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 3>frequency analysis. Oh it was just weird, how like, you know,

723
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>because this is a thing that I have said before

724
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 3>in the past, and I do think there might be

725
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 3>a good case for it. I do wonder about like

726
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 3>dancing and performances. Oh wow, you know, stuff like this,

727
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.039
<v Speaker 3>or even like I've said before, I could easily see

728
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to put your body into forms of Hebrew, I

729
00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.840
<v Speaker 3>mean even at English. But you know what I'm saying,

730
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Like keybo, I just feel like it's so much more

731
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 3>artistic you could really be like putting yourself all over

732
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the place and nobody would really notice.

733
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<v Speaker 1>And if you combine it with song, the song could

734
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<v Speaker 1>be the text and the dancing could be like the

735
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<v Speaker 1>dancing men code of how you unbreak the lyrics. Yeah, yeah,

736
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<v Speaker 1>that's what I kind of.

737
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you always got rappers talking about my ciphers.

738
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.960
<v Speaker 1>That's true, that is true.

739
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 3>My cipher gotta break it down in ciphers, mathematics and ciphers.

740
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, and then here and then I think I'm

741
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 3>finally done and I'll shut up. Twenty eight minutes later.

742
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.480
<v Speaker 3>The ave Maria cipher. I didn't get one get into

743
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 3>this too much. It's very interesting, and I think that

744
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 3>this one's probably like, probably very drawn out. Ave Maria

745
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 3>is a steganographic process invented by the Benedictine monk Johannes

746
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 3>with the me Is Surround fifteen eighteen. It replaces each

747
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 3>letter of the plain text by a group of words,

748
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>which looks like a poem. Encryption uses a correlation table

749
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 3>between letters and portions of psalms. Trithemius wrote a book

750
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 3>Polographe which I had mentioned or forgot, the Uriny, which

751
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 3>contains one hundred pages with Latin words associated with a

752
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.800
<v Speaker 3>letter of the alphabet. The Latin alphabet does not have

753
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 3>all the letters. There is no V or W and

754
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 3>is replaced by you, and there is no J, which

755
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 3>is replaced by I, and so on. Encryption consists in

756
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 3>encoding each letter of the message with a word in

757
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 3>the list. The result will resemble a prayer or litany

758
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<v Speaker 3>in Latin. The cipher is composed of Latin words generally

759
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 3>related to God. Ave Maria, which translates to Hail Mary

760
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 3>in Latin, is one of the most popular prayers in

761
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<v Speaker 3>the Catholic tradition. The encrypted message is much longer than

762
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 3>the plain text, since it is replaced by letters and words.

763
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<v Speaker 3>The classic ave Maria usually ends with the word Amen.

764
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<v Speaker 3>That's something to keep in mind to.

765
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<v Speaker 1>Because you see Amen throughout a lot of Biblical texts.

766
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<v Speaker 3>Well, you could toist that out there a lot and

767
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 3>nobody would even know that that was a closing for

768
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 3>a cipher. Yeah, just saying it, you know, putting that

769
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 3>out there.

770
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting.

771
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that is the end of my mouth.

772
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you that you didn't asleep. No, no, it was again.

773
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<v Speaker 1>I find all this super interesting. Like with the origin

774
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the original languages and how they originated and where they

775
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>go and how they migrate, and now we have people

776
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>putting numbers to them and then making ciphers. I found, Yeah,

777
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 1>I find it super super interesting. So I'm going to

778
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>briefly cover a cipher that is talked about by quite

779
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>a few people regarding Alistair Crowley's Book of the Law.

780
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<v Speaker 1>I'm a novice, so it's you.

781
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Know, and you know what I'll be told. I'll be

782
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 3>totally honest with you. The reason why I didn't get

783
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.960
<v Speaker 3>into this too much is because this is fairly new

784
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 3>and there isn't like, you know, just for the listeners.

785
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 3>You know why, you know, because I had said the

786
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 3>same thing to you. It's fairly new. There isn't like

787
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of like history about it, and honestly I wasn't.

788
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't trying to figure it out myself. Just the

789
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 3>present on the show, right. I figured, if I bring

790
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 3>up something with crolling and the ogo, I'm supposed to

791
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 3>be on.

792
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Points, Yeah, well you can just you know, direct them

793
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to me, because I'll just tell them that I did

794
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 1>a quick study. So there's an excerpt in the Book

795
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Law and it and I mainly gravitated towards

796
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>two seventy five, which says, I listened to the numbers

797
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and the words, and to me it seems like a

798
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:04.920
<v Speaker 1>direct interpretation that the texts should be interpreted by using

799
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>numbers and words like we talked about in the first

800
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and second episode with Jamatria or alphabetic numer numeric systems.

801
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this even goes along with you know something

802
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 3>I said before I started to interrupt you with the

803
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.599
<v Speaker 3>Book of the Law, You know that does have this

804
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 3>cipher basically in here, and I'm like jumping ahead. But

805
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 3>then like even in the Book of Laws, in the commentary,

806
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I know the commentary is written by like somebody else

807
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 3>that's cruelling, but like they're constantly like mentioning like either

808
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 3>like Jamatri or Cipher's possibly being involved. The reason that

809
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 3>you know the chapter number, is it going along with

810
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.440
<v Speaker 3>the chapter You know a lot.

811
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<v Speaker 1>Of things, right, No, absolutely, And so.

812
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.280
<v Speaker 3>You have to wonder how much is encoded.

813
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Message Absolutely, I mean I if it's in there and

814
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it's telling you it is. And then the next line,

815
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<v Speaker 1>which or the next verse seventy six, it looks like

816
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 1>a long string of numbers, and I looked it up

817
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of gives a way at the end,

818
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.159
<v Speaker 1>and it's the RP stoveall cipher right, So already it's

819
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.639
<v Speaker 1>alluding to a cipher. And so you have seventy five

820
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 1>saying numbers and words and then the next phrase, I mean,

821
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 1>the next verse, you know, conveying a cipher and then

822
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 1>what the other thing? And I read this a couple

823
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of times in some of the blogs that we're writing

824
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>on it. The second sentence of the verse seventy six

825
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 1>is thou knowest not, nor shalt thou know ever. And

826
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<v Speaker 1>it almost made me feel like, so, I awats you know?

827
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<v Speaker 1>Dict and please correct me if I'm wrong, if I

828
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<v Speaker 1>get any of the burbage wrong. Basically dictated to Crowley,

829
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Crawley the the Book of the Law and so and

830
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 1>so if he's saying thou knowest not, nor thou shalt

831
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 1>ever know, and he just finished talking about a cipher

832
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and numbers and words, to me, it's like, so Crowley's

833
00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 1>not going to be the one to fully cipher or

834
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 1>uncipher what was being dictated to him. That it would

835
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>be someone else who would, I guess build upon that.

836
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:10.719
<v Speaker 3>See, this is the whole thing though with me and

837
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.519
<v Speaker 3>This is why I think it might be importantly on

838
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 3>again with Cipher's is that I'm not sure if I

839
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>actually buy that story at face value. His story of

840
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 3>how the Book of the Law might have came could

841
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 3>have been a decrypted it could have been an occulted

842
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:23.119
<v Speaker 3>story in itself.

843
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha.

844
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 3>So then it's like, do you have to decipher this

845
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 3>whole thing, like he already wrote it in code?

846
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Already to find out that he was the one that

847
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 1>wrote it in code, yeah, gotcha. Yeah Yeah. So that

848
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 1>that excerpt kind of sets it up to that what

849
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the next you know, the in the equinox. Now you're

850
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 1>looking at different ciphers, you know, how the alphabet is

851
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.159
<v Speaker 1>positioned in certain ways, and how that can be utilized

852
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to potentially decipher some of the texts. One of the

853
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 1>ones that I found pretty interesting was is grid paper.

854
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 1>It's so it's like a famous grid page of liber

855
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Al Al's which is like a grid supermposed on page sixteen,

856
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and it basically has the verse, you know, the verses

857
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever's written with a long diagonal line going across

858
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and then a circled cross. So in the Book of

859
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 1>the Law, it states that the book should only be

860
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:33.239
<v Speaker 1>reproduced or printed to include Crowley's handwritten version as per

861
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.760
<v Speaker 1>suggestion that there are mysteries and I quote there are

862
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.079
<v Speaker 1>mysteries in the chance shape of the letters and their

863
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.400
<v Speaker 1>positions to one another. Whichever top left or bottom right

864
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>diagonal is read, the magical order of the letters is obtained.

865
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So he's telling you this is written in a some

866
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of ciphered message. Right, it's kind of how I

867
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 1>gathered it. And then so like on the right you

868
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>see how letters were laid over the grid, and then

869
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>numbers going and corresponding right to the actual grid that

870
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 1>was handwritten upon with this page in mind. The A

871
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 1>L W Cipher or the New aon English Kabbala, was

872
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>developed by James Lee's on November twenty sixth of nineteen

873
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy six to serve as a tool for interpreting the

874
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 1>works of Crowley. It appears that in it works like

875
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.440
<v Speaker 1>an Effene cipher, which is a little bit similar to

876
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>ad Bash cipher, which we'll talk about here in a

877
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but it basically the slight variance is that

878
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 1>it's made up of an arithmetic system assigning the letters

879
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of the English alphabet to assign numerical values kind of

880
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 1>like with the A BASH but with this one, the

881
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 1>cipher is based on a magical number on the magical

882
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 1>number eleven, by taking every eleventh letter in the alphabet

883
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 1>as the order and then assigning them in sequential values.

884
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 1>So eleven is pretty much like the guide the goalpost,

885
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 1>or the guidepost. The method of order and value where

886
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>letters are arranged on a grid is credited to James

887
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Lees as well. Jake Stratton Kent, also an addition, noticed

888
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.159
<v Speaker 1>that the passage appeared separated on purpose, with an X

889
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.440
<v Speaker 1>seen as the first letter or character on the second line,

890
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 1>potentially indicating the multiplication symbol. By multiplying the number of

891
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.039
<v Speaker 1>words on the second eleven, you get a total of

892
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 1>one eighty seven. One eighty seven is also the numerical

893
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>value of English alphabet when applied to the A L

894
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 1>W cipher. Stratton Kent went on to clarify that the

895
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>English kabala is not a system of numerology, but a kabbala.

896
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 3>So you know that even that circle on that X

897
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.800
<v Speaker 3>of that plus thing, it's like we saw that in

898
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 3>prior episodes is part of the symbolism and alphabets.

899
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 1>M you know what I have You know, it's some

900
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of the earliest ones too.

901
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I even joked around before saying something about the

902
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 3>zodiac KILLO.

903
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:14.079
<v Speaker 1>With that and because he uses it.

904
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And you know what, I really I should have

905
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:19.599
<v Speaker 3>I really wish I would have gotten a picture of it.

906
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.559
<v Speaker 3>There was something I was was watching the news. You know,

907
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.639
<v Speaker 3>they're showing all this shit that's going on over there,

908
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 3>what's supposedly is going on over there. You know, I'm

909
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 3>not denying that something isn't but I just wonder how

910
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:35.800
<v Speaker 3>much is you know, whatever, And uh, I had also

911
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 3>started to notice I've noticed two or three times, I

912
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 3>think I think three times at least now, seeing that

913
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 3>X in a circle in the background of things. And

914
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:47.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know if maybe that's like something

915
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that that they were using. But again I was seeing

916
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:51.719
<v Speaker 3>that same guy. I don't know if you saw when

917
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 3>I made a joke about the yeah news getting the

918
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 3>daytime soul property is getting so violent because I was

919
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 3>watching the news and the guy's jumping on the fucking

920
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.960
<v Speaker 3>floor because you know, supposedly the bombs and stuff. That

921
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 3>same dude and some sort of like wild thing was

922
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 3>going on, and that symbol was on a car. That's

923
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 3>it was like some sort of service car or something

924
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.760
<v Speaker 3>over there, and it was numbered ninety three. Oh, I

925
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 3>had ninety three written on it with that symbol spray

926
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.599
<v Speaker 3>painted on it. How do you behind you?

927
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.719
<v Speaker 1>That's not a key to the cipher for what you're

928
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing on the news.

929
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was weird. I was like, I've

930
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 3>seen that symbol a few times because of covering ciphers,

931
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.079
<v Speaker 3>and now I see ninety three and it's not a

932
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.360
<v Speaker 3>guy who I was questioning the authenticity of the video

933
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I was watching a few days ago.

934
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that is that is super weird. Interesting on

935
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.719
<v Speaker 1>also on this so you see a grid as well

936
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.559
<v Speaker 1>on cipher six, if you remember going back to the

937
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 1>grid page of page sixteen. Cipher six is a secret

938
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:09.079
<v Speaker 1>cipher that has been passed down throughout the ages by

939
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:14.440
<v Speaker 1>various secret societies. Similar to other ciphers, americal values are

940
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:18.880
<v Speaker 1>assigned to each letter of the English alphabet, involving simple addition.

941
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 1>So it kind of looks like, for instance, the grid paper,

942
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 1>how he drew that line almost to indicate, you know

943
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that it could be the cipher six that he's following.

944
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.760
<v Speaker 1>The speculative of course, that he's following the cipher six

945
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:39.679
<v Speaker 1>itself by you know, using that method, and then also

946
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the star six or cycle eleven is what we saw

947
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:48.639
<v Speaker 1>with the equinox. The solution to several of these ciphers

948
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 1>have been kind of discovered in nineteen seventy four, and

949
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.039
<v Speaker 1>they've like totally launched a whole new development and of

950
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.360
<v Speaker 1>computer analysis field and all that other study and all

951
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that other stuff. One thing that I found interesting is

952
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like when they mentioned nineteen seventy four as being the

953
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:10.440
<v Speaker 1>discovery of ciphers through computer analysis. Didn't he die in

954
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven? I don't know, Crowley, I think he.

955
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 3>Did, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, nineteen.

956
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Seventy four being flipped around. I was like, that's that's

957
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting because this is when that you.

958
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Might be right kicked off, because if I remember correctly,

959
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.280
<v Speaker 3>he was like pretty much right after World War Two.

960
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't know why that stuck out, because I

961
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.039
<v Speaker 1>think because in looking at these ciphers, I'm seeing a

962
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of seventy four, a lot of flipping of numbers.

963
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So now my eyes, you know, looking for that. But

964
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I thought that was just something a fun

965
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:46.559
<v Speaker 1>fact mentioned.

966
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 3>If it's real forty seven forty seven, nineteen forty seven, Yeah, seventy.

967
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Four so the four so another sec.

968
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.159
<v Speaker 3>On the four and seven is also only on the

969
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.639
<v Speaker 3>right pillar. Again, it was something we brought up with

970
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:03.360
<v Speaker 3>that one other.

971
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Time, right right, Like, I feel like forty seven is

972
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.920
<v Speaker 1>something that we've talked about or touched upon. I don't

973
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 1>know if it was with the Gilgo or with something.

974
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Else, might have been Richard Speck recently, Yeah.

975
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, could be, could be, yeah, no telling. So we

976
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 1>were doing a lot of Jamatria. A lot of the

977
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Jamatra uses the four bass ciphers, and so I wanted

978
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to talk about them really quickly kind of just to

979
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.599
<v Speaker 1>do like the long math of how some of these

980
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.360
<v Speaker 1>ciphers are used. The following four ciphers are the fundamental

981
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.719
<v Speaker 1>ciphers that is used in Jamatria. The first one is

982
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 1>the most basic cipher in Jamatria. So we were signing

983
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:45.760
<v Speaker 1>A to one, B to two, C to three, and

984
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.719
<v Speaker 1>then so on, Z to twenty six, and it's practice

985
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.519
<v Speaker 1>in any language, and it's called the ordinal cipher or

986
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:55.880
<v Speaker 1>English ordinal cipher, like this one uses twenty six letters

987
01:03:55.880 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of the English alphabet. So the second one is the

988
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 1>English reduction and when using the rules of numerology, as

989
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in the case of full reduction cipher or Pythagorean order

990
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 1>or English reduction. Those are all the names assigned to

991
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 1>English reduction. The numbers having two digits are reduced to

992
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a single digit by adding them together. So like in

993
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 1>the case of you go, A is assigned to one

994
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and so on. But when you get to I, you

995
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.559
<v Speaker 1>see that it's assigned to nine, and when you jump

996
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 1>to J, it goes back to a one. So as

997
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:34.320
<v Speaker 1>soon as nine comes, the next number is going to

998
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:38.400
<v Speaker 1>go back to one to basically reduce it down to

999
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a single number. And this concept was basically brought into

1000
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.320
<v Speaker 1>play according to Pythagoras, who is the father of math,

1001
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:51.679
<v Speaker 1>that only there are only nine true numbers, and so

1002
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.880
<v Speaker 1>therefore the English reduction applies to that, and the number

1003
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.519
<v Speaker 1>nine seems to pop up a lot in ciphers, like

1004
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 1>in terms of also a guide poster.

1005
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Even that's why the nineteen we've been like being like,

1006
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:03.760
<v Speaker 3>what's up with that?

1007
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly? So yeah, so like J is equal to

1008
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:17.239
<v Speaker 1>one and so forth. So the reverse ordinal cipher is

1009
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.199
<v Speaker 1>the opposite of the English ordinal, so it's called the

1010
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 1>reverse ordinal cipher or reverse alphabetical order, and so basically

1011
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it flips everything. A is now twenty six and Z

1012
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.679
<v Speaker 1>is now one. So it just basically flips the assignment

1013
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 1>of the numbers. Pretty simple there on the last one,

1014
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the reverse reduction, it's also called the reverse full reduction

1015
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 1>cipher or the reverse Pythagorean order, is basically the reverse

1016
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of the English reduction. And so now instead of one

1017
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 1>being assigned to A, you now have eight being assigned

1018
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:56.599
<v Speaker 1>to A, which I don't know why they didn't start

1019
01:05:56.599 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 1>with nine, but I guess because they started with one

1020
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:03.440
<v Speaker 1>on Z right and then work their way backwards and

1021
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:05.960
<v Speaker 1>then obviously when you get to Q, it goes back

1022
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to one, so reducing it to a single digit. One

1023
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:14.960
<v Speaker 1>thing that I thought was really interesting if you were

1024
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 1>to run God God through the English ordinal cipher. So

1025
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 1>if you look at it, G equals seven, oh equals fifteen,

1026
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:27.079
<v Speaker 1>D equals four, you get twenty six, and twenty six

1027
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 1>is the same number of the letter in the English alphabet.

1028
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I thought that was kind of something.

1029
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.800
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting, right, I thought, so, yeah, Okay.

1030
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Now the next one is the at bash cipher. The

1031
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.079
<v Speaker 1>at Basch cipher was originally used for the Hebrew alphabet

1032
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 1>as a mono alphabetic substitution cipher. I think most of

1033
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:54.079
<v Speaker 1>these ciphers use the substitution as their base. It seems

1034
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.719
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of their go to. They claim that

1035
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.159
<v Speaker 1>it was used for thousands of years and it's the

1036
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 1>most common found in and it's most commonly found in

1037
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Kabalistic writings and Jewish mysticism. It's sometimes referred to as

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01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 1>the mirror code. It is one of the earliest and

1039
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 1>oldest known ciphers who have been used, dating back to

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01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:20.119
<v Speaker 1>five hundred BC, potentially pre dating Egyptian encryption, possibly because

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01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Speaker 1>of how simple it is to use and it doesn't

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01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.320
<v Speaker 1>require a key. You can use it with any alphabet,

1043
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 1>which is like you can do with abajod or syllabris

1044
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.440
<v Speaker 1>syllabary No, that's not how you say it, but alphabet.

1045
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 1>They use the syllables Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and so forth.

1046
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.400
<v Speaker 1>But because of this, it can easily be deciphered, offering

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01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:45.400
<v Speaker 1>very little security. However, ad Basch ciphers are rare and

1048
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.679
<v Speaker 1>difficult to find, I think because they easily can fit

1049
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 1>into text or a sentence and compared to others. A

1050
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.960
<v Speaker 1>quick way to spot an AD code is when the

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01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.440
<v Speaker 1>first letter of the alphabet is switched with the last

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01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:06.079
<v Speaker 1>letter of the alphabet. It's used by kabalists who study

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01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.639
<v Speaker 1>the hidden meaning of words, and they will use which

1054
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I found interest. They will use the ad bashed cipher

1055
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 1>to dilute the meaning and or power of words as

1056
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.359
<v Speaker 1>opposed to using the actual word. So by encrypting the word,

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01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:22.159
<v Speaker 1>it'll change the numerical value of the word and then

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01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:25.479
<v Speaker 1>therefore reducing the power or the impact of power that

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01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the word has, kind of like you know, toning it

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01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.399
<v Speaker 1>down in ogypen. But I also read something that if

1061
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.640
<v Speaker 1>they were to reverse it, that it serves to reverse

1062
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the power of the word. So first evidence of encryption

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01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:44.239
<v Speaker 1>was found in Egypt, and because of this, most people

1064
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:47.760
<v Speaker 1>believe that ancient Egypt is the origin of this code. However,

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01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Adbash was actually the first cipher with origins in Israel

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01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and originally encrypted in Hebrew. I provide a little bit

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01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of examples to kind of give you what that looks

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01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:03.279
<v Speaker 1>like in the Hebrew Bible. In the Christian Bible, they

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01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.680
<v Speaker 1>contain occurrences of the at Bash cipher. The name ad

1070
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Bash refers to the first letters of the names of

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01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the Hebrew characters a left, ta bet and shin. Examples

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01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.760
<v Speaker 1>of the Abbash code are found in the Book of Jeremiah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jeremiah twenty five twenty six, the king of she

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01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Shrak shall drink after them. So if you convert that

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01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:29.399
<v Speaker 1>to Hebrew, put it through the Adbash code, it'll spit

1076
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.399
<v Speaker 1>out BBL or Babel, which is Babylon, so it would

1077
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:37.359
<v Speaker 1>be the king of Babylon shall drink after them. Another

1078
01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 1>example would be Jeremiah fifty one one. Behold, I will

1079
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.760
<v Speaker 1>raise up against Babylon and against the inhabitant of Leb Kamani,

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01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.199
<v Speaker 1>a destroying wind. Again, if you put it through the

1081
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Adbas cipher, it spits out Kaldia or Babylonians. So that

1082
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:02.239
<v Speaker 1>was examples that were provided.

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01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.239
<v Speaker 3>It is like the acronym BBL. Maybe just an at Bahia.

1084
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 3>It could be Brazilian butlers.

1085
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.840
<v Speaker 1>This whole time we thought it was a.

1086
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Still get mind fucked with magic somehow.

1087
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Hook Line and Sinker. In the previous episode we talked

1088
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.800
<v Speaker 1>about how words were powerful and they possessed magical and

1089
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:30.279
<v Speaker 1>theogic qualities, and that the spoken word was capable of

1090
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.399
<v Speaker 1>changing reality. So if words, going back to what I

1091
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.319
<v Speaker 1>just said, a little while ago. So if words possessed

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01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:39.239
<v Speaker 1>power and essence, at bash could represent a reversal of

1093
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:45.800
<v Speaker 1>that power and essence. So that's that was that example.

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01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:50.439
<v Speaker 1>A last example which I found pretty interesting, the abbaschh

1095
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 1>cipher theory relates also to the Baphomet mythos, with its

1096
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:57.920
<v Speaker 1>origins dating back to five hundred BC. Inscribes writing the

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01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Book of Jeremiah using what we now call to be

1098
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:05.159
<v Speaker 1>that bash cipher. It refers to when they were working

1099
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:08.359
<v Speaker 1>on the Dead Sea Scrolls and they use the cipher

1100
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to translate words that were undetectable. The same scientists that

1101
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.199
<v Speaker 1>use it on the Dead Sea scrolls used it on

1102
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:23.039
<v Speaker 1>texts by the Knights Templar, particularly the etymology of Baphomet.

1103
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 1>And when they decided that they would use the at

1104
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Bash cipher on the word Baphomet, they discovered that it

1105
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:37.319
<v Speaker 1>in reverse, it gives you sofia. So I thought, I

1106
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:41.800
<v Speaker 1>wonder if that's where the whole bapphamet sofia comes into play.

1107
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:46.560
<v Speaker 1>And then, of course, if you put at bash through

1108
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the Greek so although written in Hebrew, resulted in the

1109
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Greek word sofia meaning wisdom in English. So if you

1110
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:01.399
<v Speaker 1>do it in English, it'll give you wisdom. So I

1111
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 1>thought that was another one.

1112
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Interesting wisdom things a go with the tunes.

1113
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Ah, yes, And there wasn't there a book in the

1114
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Bible called Book of Wisdom?

1115
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I know, like one of the spheares stands for wisdom.

1116
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure.

1117
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:23.479
<v Speaker 2>So.

1118
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:27.800
<v Speaker 1>So another cipher is the Kopoli Cipher. I think I'm

1119
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 1>saying that right. It's an encrypted manuscript made up of

1120
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:35.680
<v Speaker 1>seventy five thousand characters, strangely handwritten in Roman and Greek

1121
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 1>letters with abstract symbols, conveying a message within its one

1122
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred and five pages. For more than two hundred and

1123
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:46.640
<v Speaker 1>sixty years, the mysterious cipher, bound in gold and green

1124
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:52.720
<v Speaker 1>brocade paper, remained undeciphered. Then, in the nineteen seventies, scientists

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01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.880
<v Speaker 1>from the German Academy of Sciences dated the cipher to

1126
01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:02.039
<v Speaker 1>be to exist in seventeen hundred, seventeen sixty, seventeen eighty. However,

1127
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:06.960
<v Speaker 1>in April of twenty eleven, Decipherment revealed its creation in

1128
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen thirties. And if you go back and forth,

1129
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.640
<v Speaker 1>there's discrepancies between those time periods, so it's in seventeen

1130
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred that's pretty much how I kind of put it

1131
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:20.239
<v Speaker 1>in my head. It and what the reason that they

1132
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:24.199
<v Speaker 1>push for the seventeen thirty angle is because there was

1133
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.920
<v Speaker 1>a secret society that called themselves the High Enlightened Oculist

1134
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Order or the Oculist who you cite as a metaphor

1135
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.760
<v Speaker 1>for knowledge. Its name comes from one of the two

1136
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:41.439
<v Speaker 1>non coded inscriptions inside the manuscript Copalis three, and inside

1137
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.199
<v Speaker 1>the paper it is said to be of high quality,

1138
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:48.720
<v Speaker 1>containing two different water marks. So they had to track

1139
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 1>down this book because after the Cold War it kind

1140
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of went I mean, it was going back and forth

1141
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.520
<v Speaker 1>between private collections, and then after the Cold War basically

1142
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 1>it turned up and it was discovered in East Berlin

1143
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Academy in Germany, and many attempts were made to crack it,

1144
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and it just they were unsuccessful, so it was forgotten about,

1145
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:14.159
<v Speaker 1>kept in private collections and so forth. Then in twenty

1146
01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:19.479
<v Speaker 1>eleven they tracked down the manuscript, the original one, and

1147
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:24.640
<v Speaker 1>scientists in Sweden with a scientist in California were able

1148
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to basically get a crack at it and then kind

1149
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:33.399
<v Speaker 1>of unraveled from there. So not even knowing the language

1150
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of the encrypted document, they basically thought that it would

1151
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.600
<v Speaker 1>be either German or Greek of Roman because the characters

1152
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>were Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the text. One

1153
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.239
<v Speaker 1>of the things that I found pretty interesting is they

1154
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 1>use computer to a computer analysis to crack the cipher.

1155
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.520
<v Speaker 1>So because it was found in Germany, they thought the

1156
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Roman cacharacters contained all of the relevant info and that

1157
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.479
<v Speaker 1>everything else were just like spaces or something to throw

1158
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:14.800
<v Speaker 1>people off. Yeah exactly, Yeah, that's just say that jug DNA.

1159
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But what ended up happening is that, yeah, yeah, exactly, filler.

1160
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:24.560
<v Speaker 1>What ended up happening is that the reverse was true.

1161
01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:26.760
<v Speaker 1>It was the Actually it was the Roman characters that

1162
01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.800
<v Speaker 1>were actually the nulls in the spaces and everything else.

1163
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>The abstract symbols were actually the coded message which the

1164
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Roman letters were basically inserted specifically to throw off the

1165
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.319
<v Speaker 1>reader completely, and assumed that everything was written in Roman

1166
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 1>or Latin. So they went ahead and they basically tested

1167
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the theory, put it into the computer, and the first

1168
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:55.039
<v Speaker 1>message is revealed Ceremonies of initiation and secret section. So

1169
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the quality cipher is a substitution cipher, but it's not

1170
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:01.439
<v Speaker 1>a one to one. It's more of like a homophonic

1171
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.720
<v Speaker 1>one where you have like different types of substitutions because

1172
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of the text and then the spaces. One thing that

1173
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I found really interesting by this type of style of

1174
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:19.680
<v Speaker 1>cipher is that it's also a cipher that's used with

1175
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:24.079
<v Speaker 1>the book cipher or the Beal cipher, which is what's

1176
01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:27.199
<v Speaker 1>used in the Declaration of Independence where it talks about

1177
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:31.279
<v Speaker 1>encoding of a story of buried treasure. So I was like, wow,

1178
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.319
<v Speaker 1>even the Declaration of Independence has a cipher written into

1179
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:38.119
<v Speaker 1>it that has yet to be cracked. That's that's the

1180
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:40.479
<v Speaker 1>other thing. Nobody's been able to crack that one. But

1181
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it's similar the Kapali's. The style of it is written

1182
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.199
<v Speaker 1>in there, and you'll find out why here in a

1183
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:53.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit. So once they were able to decrypt it,

1184
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.319
<v Speaker 1>they pretty much set up an algorithm so that it

1185
01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:01.359
<v Speaker 1>could decrypt the rest of this the entire texts, and

1186
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:04.680
<v Speaker 1>they like ran it through like eighty languages, all kinds

1187
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of you know, different variations, and then it ended up

1188
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that it was German uh cipher all along, so they

1189
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.760
<v Speaker 1>found so that led them to know that it was

1190
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the Oculist Secret Society. Let's see what else. Oh, one

1191
01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:29.199
<v Speaker 1>thing that I also input in here that the leading

1192
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.640
<v Speaker 1>expert on the machine translation, the one from California. He

1193
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:39.800
<v Speaker 1>basically is also working on the ciphers for the Zodiac

1194
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Killer as well as cryptos, the CIA one, the building thing,

1195
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the sculpture that's sitting outside of the CIA headquarters, and

1196
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the Voyage manuscript. So he's he basically he cracked it.

1197
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.399
<v Speaker 1>He cracked this one. He you know, created his old

1198
01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:59.039
<v Speaker 1>algorithms and is now using these types of algorithms on

1199
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.319
<v Speaker 1>these other ciphers. Thought that was pretty neat. An he's

1200
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:06.279
<v Speaker 1>funded by the NSF SO and got some software put

1201
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess adopted by Apple and Intel.

1202
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.640
<v Speaker 3>So it'd be interested to see what he says about

1203
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:12.359
<v Speaker 3>the pointage.

1204
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So to

1205
01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.239
<v Speaker 1>give you a little bit of backdrop to what was

1206
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.560
<v Speaker 1>going on at the time when the Quality Cipher was written,

1207
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.600
<v Speaker 1>seventeen thirty eight, Pope Clement basically issued a prohibition to

1208
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Catholics from joining any secret order religious organization and even

1209
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.720
<v Speaker 1>want is to far discourage all Europeans from affiliating with

1210
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:36.520
<v Speaker 1>any persons or groups, alleging that all these secretive orders

1211
01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:42.119
<v Speaker 1>were practicing satanic rituals. In response to secret societies started

1212
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:47.039
<v Speaker 1>encoding all their documents to prevent them from being persecuted

1213
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and praise basically to protect themselves from persecution all around.

1214
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:55.359
<v Speaker 1>So the rights, rituals and ideologies were passed along encoded

1215
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 1>language to hide from persecution. So I think that's where

1216
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.880
<v Speaker 1>you start to see the divide, right. You know that

1217
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:04.960
<v Speaker 1>everybody was doing the whole numerology like we talked about

1218
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:08.720
<v Speaker 1>in the first episode, and then you see how night

1219
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Council niceas like, no more, y'all aren't doing this, and

1220
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 1>then seventeen hundreds is like, y'all are gonna get in

1221
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>trouble if you do. So everything kind of to me

1222
01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.199
<v Speaker 1>seems like it. That's when it went hardcore underground and

1223
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you started to have hardcore development of these ciphers.

1224
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, like we were even saying about I think in

1225
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.960
<v Speaker 3>the last episode there seemed to be like schisms of

1226
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:33.159
<v Speaker 3>like this stuff just doesn't get studied toward anymore or whatever.

1227
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:37.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, So I'm gonna tell you a

1228
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.199
<v Speaker 4>little bit of what it said, since they cracked and

1229
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 4>it was a big deal and was like all over whatever,

1230
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:45.000
<v Speaker 4>So it revealed that it was it talked about rituals

1231
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:49.920
<v Speaker 4>and political leanings of the eighteenth century secret society there

1232
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.399
<v Speaker 4>in Germany, and the.

1233
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Rituals itself appear to focus on eye surgery and ophthalmology,

1234
01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>with members not being eye doctors. Right, this is what

1235
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the scientists were saying, that, oh, this is weird. None

1236
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.319
<v Speaker 1>of them were optalmologists, but all of the rituals are

1237
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.920
<v Speaker 1>centered around the eye and eye surgery and what have you.

1238
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>The Oculus, as they called themselves, were a group of

1239
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.199
<v Speaker 1>optthalmologists who were also, according to the documentar, a group

1240
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of Freemasons who created the Oculus Society to pass along

1241
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.439
<v Speaker 1>the Masonic rites that have been recently banned by Pope Clement.

1242
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:28.880
<v Speaker 1>So the initiation ceremony was basically it was like illuminated

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01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>by candle light. The candidate was asked to lower himself

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01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.560
<v Speaker 1>onto a stool, asked to read a blank piece of paper.

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01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:38.399
<v Speaker 1>When he cannot, the initiatives given eyeglasses, right, and they're

1246
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:40.680
<v Speaker 1>asked to read the paper again and he cannot, So

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01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.720
<v Speaker 1>then they take off the eyeglasses. They wipe his eyes

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01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:49.239
<v Speaker 1>down and at this point they the master of ceremonies,

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01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:53.079
<v Speaker 1>pretends to do some sort of eye surgery by plucking

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01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:57.079
<v Speaker 1>out eyebrows. Pissed, they did that to me. But and

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01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:00.359
<v Speaker 1>then they put a paper in front of him now

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01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.319
<v Speaker 1>has texts, and then he can read and they say,

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01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, congratulations, you can you know, you can read,

1254
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:08.399
<v Speaker 1>and what have you. But it's basically the ritual that's

1255
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.880
<v Speaker 1>being described in the Kapali Cipher. And it went on

1256
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:17.079
<v Speaker 1>to basically convey that this was indeed a German Masonic

1257
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:22.279
<v Speaker 1>ritual and so Mason's you know, chimed in to the

1258
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:25.560
<v Speaker 1>whole thing and they are like, no, this is an actual,

1259
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, Masonic ritual being described because it has Masonic terminology,

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01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and that the Secret Society were not optomologist. If anything,

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01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>it was just eye symbolism centered on Western esoteric tradition.

1262
01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:47.880
<v Speaker 1>The article basically states that the ceremonies appear to be

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01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:53.319
<v Speaker 1>either of Masonic body or heavily extensively influenced by Masonry.

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01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>And they claimed that that these people were not optomologists,

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01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.319
<v Speaker 1>that it was a Masonic ritual and they were talking

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01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:06.199
<v Speaker 1>about is symbology, and that it was basically everything that

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01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess they believe in or what have you. So

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01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.359
<v Speaker 1>there that's that was that. And then as you read

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01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.680
<v Speaker 1>throughout the rest of the text. Oh and I included

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01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>like some of the like symbols that they basically used

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01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to encrypt some of their messages. If you read throughout

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01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the text, it goes on to basically tell you about

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01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the different degrees of the ceremony I'm sorry, the different

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01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:39.920
<v Speaker 1>descriptions of initiation, the degrees of ceremonies. It describes a

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01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>various mainstream free masonry degrees at that time, like the

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01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:49.520
<v Speaker 1>levels or the categories, talks about key Lodgis Scottish master degree.

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01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:52.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just starts telling you everything, and it's

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01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:54.359
<v Speaker 1>weird because you would think that all these Masons want

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01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.039
<v Speaker 1>to keep this stuff secret, and yes, this cipher's telling

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01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you everything, and they have this ritual where it's centered

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01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.640
<v Speaker 1>on the eye. I don't know, it just it seemed, really.

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01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I think that's wild about how much all the stuff

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01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:08.199
<v Speaker 3>with the eyeballs. I'm telling you there's something up with it.

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01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it just makes sense to me to ocula.

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01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:15.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean I can't see inside myself regardless, right. No.

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01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:20.479
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Another thing that I thought, and that's a capali.

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01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>That's where they got the name of the cipher itself,

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01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:26.239
<v Speaker 1>because there was that one word that was able to

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01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:30.359
<v Speaker 1>be read of the entire document and then the watermark

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01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the the document had all these watermarks along with it.

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01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:39.399
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that I thought was very really cool

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01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.079
<v Speaker 1>to mention was that active members of the Oculus Secret Society,

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01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:48.119
<v Speaker 1>according to some of these write ups, is included members

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01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like Voltaire, George Washington, and Ben Franklin. And so if

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01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you look at the Declaration of Independence and they use

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01:23:56.239 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of a similar cipher, yeah, yeah, I thought that

1297
01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:05.279
<v Speaker 1>was that was pretty interesting. And this one you see

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01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the coat of arms at the founding guy. Then this

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01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>was the actual eye medallion that they gave initiates, initiates

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01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.199
<v Speaker 1>or people that were of a certain level that you

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01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>get to receive or whatever, and it has basically the

1302
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>eye medallion in the center, and then it has white

1303
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.319
<v Speaker 1>ribbon outlined with green. I thought you would find that interesting,

1304
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the green, and then as well as the coin, which

1305
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the coin itself features a cataract needle with two cats

1306
01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 1>watching over mice. So I thought, yeah, that's got to

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01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:47.640
<v Speaker 1>be right, star could be, could be. And then on

1308
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the cipher itself it had something like only those with

1309
01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a light hand need apply as a reference to their

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01:24:56.840 --> 01:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>sort member surgical skills. But I think that was co

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01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>of some sort.

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01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:05.159
<v Speaker 3>In my opinion, that's great. That eyeball is like creepy.

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01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:11.279
<v Speaker 1>It looks real like, it looks very I don't know,

1314
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>like they went into detail with it. It wasn't just

1315
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>no somebody sketching something. It actually looks handmade. It's like

1316
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>a real eye. Just kidding, go ahead, yep. So that

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01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>was the quality cipher, which I found really cool because

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01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I think the whole Oculus secret society that they even

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01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>had something like that, because we always talk about the

1320
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Masons and the Eye and the Luminati and all that stuff,

1321
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:41.079
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that there even was one.

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01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I think it was even a headless that told me.

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01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know if this is it.

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01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:46.159
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a different one. I always get a

1325
01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:48.359
<v Speaker 3>confused with need the headless of Thrash, which one told me,

1326
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:50.520
<v Speaker 3>but one of them, I think pretty sure it told

1327
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:53.319
<v Speaker 3>me about that secret society of occultists, I mean of

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01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:57.520
<v Speaker 3>eye doctors. Secret Society of eye doctors.

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01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was, they said. The other thing that I

1330
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>thought was pretty cool is that they considered them very

1331
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>progressive because they were the first secret society to allow

1332
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:14.640
<v Speaker 1>females in at that point, and they also were the

1333
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>members were basically the ones writing laws, writing treaties, writing

1334
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of whatever. So they think that these people

1335
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>probably influence a lot of the revolution movements, writings what

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01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>have you? I mean, we'll look at the people that

1337
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:34.319
<v Speaker 1>were in there, So okay, moving on to the sphere

1338
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>of life and death. So at the beginning of sphere

1339
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:41.399
<v Speaker 1>and life and death, it reads, if you want to

1340
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>know whether a sick person will recover swiftly or slowly

1341
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>or with intermediate pace is a description that is found

1342
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>within the diagram. Cipher called the sphere of life and

1343
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:55.119
<v Speaker 1>death is one of the most popular prognostic tools of

1344
01:26:55.159 --> 01:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>ancient times. On Onomancy, which is name divination used that

1345
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>uses the numerical value of letters to predict the fate

1346
01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of a person. If you recall in the first episode

1347
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of the series, alphabetical numeral systems were common during Greek

1348
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and Semitic languages during this time in history. So Onomanci,

1349
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>which has its origins with Pythagoreans, appears in medieval manuscripts

1350
01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>as a sphere of life and death. In more modern

1351
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>historical texts of Western literature, the cipher is referred to

1352
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>as either the sphere of Pythagoras sphere of Apulius Apulus

1353
01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:41.479
<v Speaker 1>or wheel of Pythagoras. So the cipher consists of a

1354
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>diagram and instructions to guide the user on how to

1355
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>predict the fate of a sick individual based on their name.

1356
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>As well as predicting the outcome, it can also give

1357
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you information on whether a soldier or general is going

1358
01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>to win the battle, whether or not lost property will

1359
01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:02.039
<v Speaker 1>be found, outcome of long journey, or in general, any

1360
01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of yes or no binary question. Translation of the

1361
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:10.239
<v Speaker 1>cipher from Greek to Latin happened around the sixth century,

1362
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and evidence of the sphere in the ancient world is

1363
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>found in different manuscripts, like there's a fourth century Greek

1364
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.479
<v Speaker 1>papyrus containing magic and divination spells with the sphere included.

1365
01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Seric twelfth century translation showing the sphere had ancient roots,

1366
01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and they show that it enters into the Latin West

1367
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:34.239
<v Speaker 1>around thirteen fourteenth century. So during the Middle Ages, it

1368
01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was very popular that if you attached a famous name,

1369
01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.279
<v Speaker 1>then it gave the document credibility, and I think that's

1370
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.479
<v Speaker 1>why they use sphere of Pythagoras or fear sphere of

1371
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Pulius Apulus Apulius. The Apulias sphere of life and death.

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01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Just real quickly. This guy apparently was a author and

1373
01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>an occult. He wrote Golden ass about magic and metamorphosis,

1374
01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and that's where the story Cupid and Psyche comes from.

1375
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>He also wrote Apologia, which is a self defense for

1376
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>him against a charge of magic, so he kind of

1377
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>is admitting but saying he's sorry. And in the medical

1378
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:26.159
<v Speaker 1>miscellany called Medica from fourteen fifteenth century England, explained how

1379
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to use a sphere to predict whether the patient would

1380
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.199
<v Speaker 1>live or die. And like I said, you know, everybody

1381
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>had their own methodology, so this one that's in front

1382
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>of us right now basically use the letters of a

1383
01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>patient's name that were assigned numbers according to the scheme

1384
01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that was written on the outer ring of the sphere itself.

1385
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>To this, the number for the day of the week

1386
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>on which the patient became sick was added and then

1387
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>calculated according to the four corners of the sphere. And

1388
01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>then after the calculations are done, you would you would

1389
01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.039
<v Speaker 1>see if the number would fall between one and thirty

1390
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and depending on and where it fell, if the number

1391
01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>was on the top half of the sphere, he would live.

1392
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.039
<v Speaker 1>And if he was on the bottom half, he would

1393
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>die he or she. Yeah, that's kind of very flip

1394
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>coin type deal. Sphere of life and death was found

1395
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in over sixty two manuscripts of late medieval English era,

1396
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:22.479
<v Speaker 1>and although it was condemned by many theological and legal treaties,

1397
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the medical cipher is one of the most frequent contents

1398
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>in all of these manuscripts. So even way if it

1399
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>was condemning, it was still being included in the condemnation treaty,

1400
01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>which that was weird. But so you had Yeah, so

1401
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>you had different methodologies to it. Some of them was

1402
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>like you take the name of the patient, you take

1403
01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the name of the messenger that came to summon the physician,

1404
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you take the name of the day upon which the

1405
01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>message came to the physician, join them all together, and

1406
01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.279
<v Speaker 1>then calculate it if you had.

1407
01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:54.880
<v Speaker 3>A sounds like.

1408
01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it does, it does. And then like if

1409
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the number was an even number, it would equal death.

1410
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:05.479
<v Speaker 1>If it was an odd number, of equal life. So

1411
01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:10.479
<v Speaker 1>everybody kind of had their own like way of using

1412
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:15.079
<v Speaker 1>the cipher, and so I think it just depended on

1413
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the actual guy who was using it. So on some

1414
01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of these ciphers, you would apply, you know, the name

1415
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>of the patient, and it had a numerical value. So

1416
01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.279
<v Speaker 1>going back to the first episode where we talked about

1417
01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:34.199
<v Speaker 1>how you assign the alphabet to a number, they're still

1418
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:40.039
<v Speaker 1>using that methodology. And then they're also using the number

1419
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of day of the moon and like and I think

1420
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it was the day of the moon and the planetary

1421
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>week day, and they would use the number one through

1422
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty because of the thirty days of the moon. And

1423
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>then you calculated through like lunar tables and planetary weekdays

1424
01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:00.239
<v Speaker 1>or calculations, and then from that you would go on

1425
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 1>to say yes or no or whatever. But it wasn't

1426
01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:06.479
<v Speaker 1>just used for that. It was also used for like predicting,

1427
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, is this guy gonna win a battle or

1428
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:11.840
<v Speaker 1>is he gonna go on a great journey or not?

1429
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Interesting. I just want to ask, I could be wrong.

1430
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it actually really though, closer to twenty eight days

1431
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:19.399
<v Speaker 3>to the moon?

1432
01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I think so. That's kind of what I've always heard,

1433
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>that it was twenty eight day cycles of a moon.

1434
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.960
<v Speaker 3>If that's true, though, that does make me again go

1435
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:34.279
<v Speaker 3>back to the whole pupil dilation in your arrival from

1436
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:37.239
<v Speaker 3>two millimeters anywhere from there to eight millimeters.

1437
01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>That would make sense. That makes a lot more sense

1438
01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:41.039
<v Speaker 1>in me.

1439
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:44.159
<v Speaker 3>That's and that still encompasses the two four, six and

1440
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.439
<v Speaker 3>eight I say, is tooth two days?

1441
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I want?

1442
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I wonder and would that give you a kind of

1443
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>like a side note, would that give you an extra

1444
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>month so it would be thirteen months instead of twelve months?

1445
01:32:56.199 --> 01:32:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's not something. Yeah, there's something up with whether

1446
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.319
<v Speaker 3>that twenty seen zodiacs instead of.

1447
01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Twelve, yeah, something instead of twelve. Yeah.

1448
01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's like the difference maybe some people don't

1449
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>know between like tropical and cetereeal as well as like

1450
01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>with stereo astrology, you're going by like the size of

1451
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:18.760
<v Speaker 3>the thing the zodiacs in the sky. Not all of

1452
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:22.039
<v Speaker 3>them are the same size, Some are smaller, some of

1453
01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:25.279
<v Speaker 3>bigger that one I think actually goes depending on the size,

1454
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for sure, you know, and the other ones are

1455
01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>just chopped up into thirty degrees each regardless of the

1456
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:34.560
<v Speaker 3>size of it.

1457
01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, So one thing that I was and I

1458
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:42.199
<v Speaker 1>looked this up on the figure closest to us on

1459
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the left hand side, there's slight variations between these ciphers.

1460
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So like in one of the cipher if you look

1461
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:53.079
<v Speaker 1>really closely, the G on the outer part of the

1462
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>cipher one of them is like right above the living

1463
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:01.199
<v Speaker 1>section of the hemisphere, whereas if you go to the

1464
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>other side, the G is kind of a little bit

1465
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:07.479
<v Speaker 1>lower than the line of delineation. So it's kind of like,

1466
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, depending on what cipher they're using, it's pretty

1467
01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.119
<v Speaker 1>much a coin toss, and I think most people would

1468
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>try to copy them and or they would use other

1469
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.560
<v Speaker 1>methods to come up with their own, but kind of

1470
01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:28.159
<v Speaker 1>keeping with the same concept concept of the sphere, this

1471
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.399
<v Speaker 1>one I thought was really interesting. So when people started

1472
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>going underground and hiding most of their ciphers, the figure

1473
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:37.199
<v Speaker 1>on the left where you see the wheel within text,

1474
01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:41.840
<v Speaker 1>this is pretty much how they started hiding the sphere

1475
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:46.359
<v Speaker 1>of divination and disguised it as like just a table

1476
01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:49.399
<v Speaker 1>within texts. So while the sphere appears to be part

1477
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of the text in the manuscript, it's actually in fact

1478
01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:54.479
<v Speaker 1>still a divination device.

1479
01:34:58.439 --> 01:34:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

1480
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:01.800
<v Speaker 1>To me, it looks like an iris, like the way

1481
01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the iris is, you know, kind.

1482
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Of well like even some of the churches when you

1483
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.920
<v Speaker 3>look up the top that we covered that we thought

1484
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:08.000
<v Speaker 3>was like inside your eye.

1485
01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. And then the figure on the other

1486
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>side was another example of how like within the text

1487
01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:20.159
<v Speaker 1>and so this sphere wasn't just like, oh, it's this

1488
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:22.319
<v Speaker 1>is the manuscript, this is where the sphere is found

1489
01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:24.279
<v Speaker 1>in the manuscript. No, it wasn't like that. This fear

1490
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>was put into different manuscripts of different types of topics

1491
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>or discussions. So like the one on the right hand side,

1492
01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.159
<v Speaker 1>you see a sphere, and the previous page was talking about,

1493
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, the winds and how a regimen of being

1494
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:46.199
<v Speaker 1>outside or the winds could contribute to maladies or sickness

1495
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.760
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And then you see this insert of this

1496
01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>actual sphere or cipher like out of nowhere, and within

1497
01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:56.199
<v Speaker 1>the cipher itself it has the instructions of how to

1498
01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:59.479
<v Speaker 1>use it being written in it, and then it'll tell

1499
01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:01.399
<v Speaker 1>you something of like this is how you do it

1500
01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to calculate the planetary week days or the automatic technique

1501
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:07.079
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and then you flip the page and now

1502
01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:10.800
<v Speaker 1>goes into diet of curing the patient or whatever. So

1503
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it was like snuck into some of these texts to

1504
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of hide what it was doing or what it

1505
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you know that that it was even included some of

1506
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>these texts where these ciphers are found, they originate from

1507
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>So the cipher originates from the time of Pythagoras, and

1508
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:35.079
<v Speaker 1>it basically said that they practice onomancy and that it

1509
01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>continued throughout all the way into you see fourteenth century

1510
01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Oxford texts that contain this sphere, and that those medical

1511
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>texts were being expected to be learned by medical faculty

1512
01:36:49.479 --> 01:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>as well as medical students. So even in Oxford and

1513
01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth century, they're they're being taught this sphere of life

1514
01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>as a technique or a tool for divination as well

1515
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:07.800
<v Speaker 1>as predicting the outcome of a patient. So that's pretty

1516
01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>much it for me.

1517
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Man, that was a lot from both of us.

1518
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. It was a lot. I mean, it's

1519
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot in there, and a lot of the Masons use,

1520
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.119
<v Speaker 1>it seems free Masons use a lot of these ciphers

1521
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:25.039
<v Speaker 1>for their stuff as well, which I found pretty interesting.

1522
01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know they were that heavy into ciphers.

1523
01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:32.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's what like I was even trying to

1524
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:38.159
<v Speaker 3>show with you know, with the Rosie Crows. You know,

1525
01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:42.520
<v Speaker 3>could could like even some secret societies have ciphers for

1526
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.760
<v Speaker 3>their own specific texts to understand what they're saying specifically

1527
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:49.000
<v Speaker 3>in their stuff, you know, and could that be part

1528
01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:51.960
<v Speaker 3>of maybe going up the ladder in itself.

1529
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be. Well, I mean they talked about

1530
01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>how the Masons do I guess recogniz is kabbala or

1531
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:05.479
<v Speaker 1>kabalistic methodology, and a lot of this is the ciphers

1532
01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>are based with that in mind.

1533
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:12.319
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, well that was Uh. I had a really

1534
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.600
<v Speaker 3>good time covering that really went well. It was a lot,

1535
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:17.960
<v Speaker 3>but no between both of us, that was I mean

1536
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:20.159
<v Speaker 3>I went longer than you. That was a lot of

1537
01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:22.880
<v Speaker 3>information and that's what I really was just hoping to

1538
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:26.079
<v Speaker 3>get out. I think that was extremely informative. The whole

1539
01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:28.640
<v Speaker 3>thing really, you know, this whole series is just showing

1540
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:32.520
<v Speaker 3>how far back there's letters and numbers and how deep

1541
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.520
<v Speaker 3>does it get, you know, and if this has been

1542
01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:39.079
<v Speaker 3>going on since how long ago? How do we know

1543
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.399
<v Speaker 3>it's not going on now? We just have the slightest clue.

1544
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, the evidence I'm not trying to say.

1545
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:47.119
<v Speaker 3>That's all it is out there, but I'm just saying

1546
01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:48.079
<v Speaker 3>we have no idea.

1547
01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea the evidence of those people being

1548
01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>in the Oculus society and they were the authors of

1549
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Declaration of Independence, How much How much more evidence do

1550
01:38:58.560 --> 01:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you need?

1551
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at that machine that I was talking

1552
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:07.560
<v Speaker 3>about before. Yeah, of course we're associated with the Germans

1553
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:12.199
<v Speaker 3>with it, right. The follow is up with this as

1554
01:39:12.319 --> 01:39:14.800
<v Speaker 3>as a magic. Look at the m M right there.

1555
01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:22.920
<v Speaker 3>This is a magic. I didn't even say that on purpose. Uh.

1556
01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much Lisa from helping me with this. Uh.

1557
01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:29.399
<v Speaker 3>We had a blast. I really loved covering this whole series.

1558
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Thank you everybody who checked out this live. I was,

1559
01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little hesitant to do it, but I'm

1560
01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:38.560
<v Speaker 3>very happy I did. That had to be one of

1561
01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:42.119
<v Speaker 3>the smoothest shows I've probably done in a while. Yeah,

1562
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:45.000
<v Speaker 3>so thank you Lisa. You've definitely helped get us a

1563
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.840
<v Speaker 3>little bit more. You know in line here and that's

1564
01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:52.800
<v Speaker 3>such cluttered anymore, you know, there's some structure. So yeah,

1565
01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.640
<v Speaker 3>that went really good and I couldn't have been happier

1566
01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:00.159
<v Speaker 3>because of us doing this will be coming out probably PEP,

1567
01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:01.680
<v Speaker 3>we'll be able to go live with that because I

1568
01:40:01.680 --> 01:40:04.439
<v Speaker 3>think it should probably even should be actually easier to cover,

1569
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:07.800
<v Speaker 3>easier to cover than this. But I wanted to cover

1570
01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:10.479
<v Speaker 3>some old grim wars, you know, I did that maybe

1571
01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:12.800
<v Speaker 3>a little repetitive, so some of the ogs that are

1572
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.760
<v Speaker 3>in the chat right now. But again with that, it

1573
01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>was just some more of an informative thing and was

1574
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:21.640
<v Speaker 3>just kind of showing like how far back does this

1575
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:26.079
<v Speaker 3>stuff go, you know, And I just think that sometimes

1576
01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:28.600
<v Speaker 3>maybe we don't realize the past and that's why we're

1577
01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:31.319
<v Speaker 3>a little confused about where we're heading now, you know,

1578
01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:34.039
<v Speaker 3>well what's going on now. So I'm just trying to

1579
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:39.079
<v Speaker 3>do some like older informative episodes. So I look forward

1580
01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:40.920
<v Speaker 3>to doing that. Should hopefully be doing that in a

1581
01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:42.720
<v Speaker 3>few weeks. Oh, actually, if we do it live, we'll

1582
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>be next week. So yeah, so people, if people are listening,

1583
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:49.239
<v Speaker 3>if we happen to go live next week, will be

1584
01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:52.039
<v Speaker 3>recording I think on Friday, probably around the same time

1585
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:56.640
<v Speaker 3>the Occult Rejects will be recording a Grim Roars episode

1586
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.159
<v Speaker 3>and be some old stuff in there and some just

1587
01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:03.520
<v Speaker 3>interesting stuff, you know. Thank you again for everybody who

1588
01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:06.279
<v Speaker 3>jumped in the chat on this live. That is what's up.

1589
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:08.319
<v Speaker 3>I you know, say it, and I'm gonna keep saying

1590
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:11.039
<v Speaker 3>it when I go live, and when we go live,

1591
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:13.880
<v Speaker 3>definitely check out the chat if you're catching this live

1592
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:15.720
<v Speaker 3>after the fact, if you can look at the chat

1593
01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:19.079
<v Speaker 3>while you're watching the live. I highly suggest it because

1594
01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.239
<v Speaker 3>there is a lot of good information in the chat

1595
01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:24.399
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it could be you know, almost a whole

1596
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:27.319
<v Speaker 3>other episode in itself, you know, especially when you got

1597
01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.319
<v Speaker 3>like slicked it in and there it's guys.

1598
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1599
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so thank you all. I had a really good time,

1600
01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.239
<v Speaker 3>a really good Friday afternoon. And that is the end

1601
01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:41.079
<v Speaker 3>of another Occult Rejects And until the next one, everybody

1602
01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:42.319
<v Speaker 3>be well later
