Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2: A couple things going on right now. We're going to
Speaker 2: dip into try to get to both of them. Eight
Speaker 2: firefighters with the OC Fire Authorities Santiago Haind crew were
Speaker 2: in an accident last night, a single vehicle rollover accident.
Speaker 2: Brian Fantasy with the Orange County Fire Authorities giving an update.
Speaker 3: As we stand here today, I think we're all still
Speaker 3: a bit of shock. As I talked with the cruise
Speaker 3: last night, it was evident that they are. They're in
Speaker 3: tough shape right now. We pulled them off the fire line.
Speaker 3: They're going to get time with family, They're going to
Speaker 3: get time to visit with other firefighters. They're going to
Speaker 3: get the time they need. I want to thank the
Speaker 3: Ventura County and Santa Barbara County fire departments who have
Speaker 3: moved their hand crews into Orange County to cover for
Speaker 3: our hand crews that are not in service at this time.
Speaker 3: We've got a tough road ahead. Many of the injured
Speaker 3: are going to be hospitalized for quite a while. I
Speaker 3: can't get into those details. I'll introduce the doctor here
Speaker 3: and he can share what he can share. As you
Speaker 3: can imagine, there are limits to what we can say.
Speaker 3: But having met with, you know, the families last night,
Speaker 3: visiting the hospitals, you can imagine the pain that they're
Speaker 3: in and the pain that all of us are in.
Speaker 3: This is devastating for me personally, devastating for everybody in
Speaker 3: the fire service.
Speaker 2: Here in Orange County.
Speaker 3: As I did last night, I'd ask everybody to pray
Speaker 3: for our firefighters, Pray for the families.
Speaker 2: One thing I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: That I experienced regularly is the resilience that this organization
Speaker 3: shows during these times, During these tragic times.
Speaker 2: Well, yes we're heartbroken, we're.
Speaker 3: Devastated, but there's no doubt in my mind that the crews,
Speaker 3: the firefighters, are professional staff. Everybody involved are going to
Speaker 3: rally around each other and we're going to be stronger
Speaker 3: because of it.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Brian Fantasy from the Orange County Fire
Speaker 2: Authority about last night's accident, and again eight members of
Speaker 2: the Santiago hand crew belonging to the Orange County Fire
Speaker 2: Authority involved in that single rollover accident. You can imagine
Speaker 2: a large vehicle that was trucking those guys away from
Speaker 2: the one of the big fires. Of course it's burning.
Speaker 2: They said that they tried to avoid a ladder in
Speaker 2: the roadway on the two forty one and eventually rolled
Speaker 2: that big firefighting apparatus. Eight people injured, one of them
Speaker 2: had to be airlifted. Now, the other big news event
Speaker 2: that's going on right now is that the Acting Secret
Speaker 2: Service Director, Ronald Road Junior, is holding a news conference
Speaker 2: regarding the assassination attempt from back in July on former
Speaker 2: President Trump I.
Speaker 4: Used to create those secure environments outdoor of it is.
Speaker 5: That kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So since July thirteenth, we have been securing successfully outdoor events.
Speaker 4: And what you're seeing is an increased use of assets,
Speaker 4: increased use of ballistic glass. So we certainly make sure
Speaker 4: that when we're when they are out there and an
Speaker 4: outdoor venue, that we are using our protective methodologies to
Speaker 4: create that safe environment.
Speaker 2: A couple of things that Ronald Rowe had said, again
Speaker 2: he's the acting director of the Secret Service, was when
Speaker 2: it comes to that July thirteenth assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: that they have changed things. They have organizationally changed the
Speaker 2: way that they do business when it comes to protecting protectees,
Speaker 2: I guess, and that specifically on that July thirteenth day,
Speaker 2: that Saturday in Butler, Pennsylvania, there was a lack of
Speaker 2: communications issues, whether it was radios or just face to
Speaker 2: face communications. There were issues with the drones that were
Speaker 2: supposed to be in the air over that campaign rally.
Speaker 2: And then, and this is probably the most egregious, is
Speaker 2: a sense of complacency on some of the agents and
Speaker 2: the other law enforcement groups that were there that led
Speaker 2: to that assassination attempt, led to that twenty year old
Speaker 2: guy getting as close as he did with a rifle
Speaker 2: on that roof overlooking the rally grounds. There are the
Speaker 2: fairgrounds in by Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I like and I applaud that this is what the
Speaker 1: internal review found, I mean, really scathing, and you have
Speaker 1: to know that that is more powerful maybe than everybody
Speaker 1: else pointing their fingers. Now they're pointing their fingers at
Speaker 1: themselves and saying this was on us, grewed up and
Speaker 1: the accountability is nice. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: if the Internal Review Unit is looked down upon, probably
Speaker 1: it is like in every agency. But still the acknowledgment
Speaker 1: coming from within that this was an epic failure. Is
Speaker 1: it goes a long way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's one of those things that sheds light
Speaker 2: on or shines a bright light on Kimberly Chetle, the
Speaker 2: former director, that she was the director at the time
Speaker 2: that this went down, and how unwilling she was, at
Speaker 2: least at the beginning to take responsibility for it when
Speaker 2: there were I mean, some of these things that Ronald
Speaker 2: Road Junior is talking about right now are obvious things,
Speaker 2: and like you said, it's nice to hear that there's
Speaker 2: an honesty about it. It's unfortunate because we're talking about
Speaker 2: protecting the most important people in the world, arguably, and
Speaker 2: the idea that simple things like human complacency or a
Speaker 2: lack of face to face communication, or even a technological
Speaker 2: issue like a drone over an outdoor rally event like that,
Speaker 2: how those types of things, once they crop up, that's
Speaker 2: not enough to pull the plug on it. I mean that,
Speaker 2: I mean we said that where's the drone?
Speaker 1: I mean the little things that a civilian could see
Speaker 1: were big errors and gaping holes in security were not
Speaker 1: addressed by the Secret Service.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's hard to swallow, but like you said,
Speaker 2: it's nice to hear that there's an amount of honesty
Speaker 2: on it. Last night, we've been waiting for Shoheo Tani
Speaker 2: to reach this fifty to fifty level, and last night
Speaker 2: in Miami, he started with the fiftieth stolen base of
Speaker 2: the season right there in the top of the first inning.
Speaker 6: Here they go, Ohtani down a third and he is
Speaker 6: safe at third base. Stolen base number fifty for Otani,
Speaker 6: and they are standing at long deep.
Speaker 2: All apart, and that's without even the fiftieth home run
Speaker 2: yet that didn't come until the sixth inning.
Speaker 1: He is built from the inside out, just different. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who created a goal matrix when he
Speaker 1: was fifteen years old. Picture a nine box by nine
Speaker 1: box graph essentially that just has things for him to
Speaker 1: focus on. Conditioning, flexibility, stamina, relax lose uneasiness, ball control,
Speaker 1: attachment to victory. Care for my teammates, cool mind and
Speaker 1: hot heart. I mean, he just he covers every base.
Speaker 1: And they say that he is just meticulous, that he
Speaker 1: is completely detail oriented. A detailed goal setting is kind
Speaker 1: of like his thing. He drills down on all the
Speaker 1: little details that will get him to his goals.
Speaker 2: He also doesn't put anyone on a pedestal.
Speaker 1: Of course, there was this famous speech prior to facing
Speaker 1: the USA in the World Baseball Classic finals, when he
Speaker 1: gave a speech stop admiring if we put them on
Speaker 1: a pedestal, we can't beat them, and Team Japan goes
Speaker 1: on to win the World Baseball Class.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is just like you said, built different.
Speaker 2: This is top of the sixth last night.
Speaker 6: He swings HiT's a trying to laft this bow's back.
Speaker 7: Therela was fifty, the first player in the history of
Speaker 7: Major League Baseball to have a fifty to fifty season.
Speaker 6: He is incredible.
Speaker 2: Top of seven on a one to two Otani sas
Speaker 2: one of the air the other way.
Speaker 6: Fucking goes what if a crime player?
Speaker 2: And then top of nine. Now listen, this last one
Speaker 2: was he was facing a second basement, not a real pitcher.
Speaker 6: Here's the pitch swaying a drive deep right field. He
Speaker 6: has done it.
Speaker 7: It's the first time Otani in his career has had a.
Speaker 6: Three home run game. Can you believe this? Ten runs
Speaker 6: batted in for Altani?
Speaker 2: Of course, Tim never there. Joe Davis on the earlier call,
Speaker 2: it just I means, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher is the Marlins manager, and I loved what
Speaker 1: he had to say postgame when asked why they didn't
Speaker 1: walk Otani, and he said, out of respect for the game,
Speaker 1: out of respect for the baseball gods. No, that we're
Speaker 1: going to come right at him. And I loved that
Speaker 1: because that does bother me. It bothers me the little
Speaker 1: things as a fan. You know, when pitchers are pulled
Speaker 1: when they're pitching a perfect game or a no hitter
Speaker 1: or whatever, does it make sense? And it just still
Speaker 1: pisses me off, you know, And that would have pissed
Speaker 1: me off too, a game like that where where they
Speaker 1: if they tried to walk him. He sat down and
Speaker 1: done interviews before Otani has done in Japan with the
Speaker 1: Japanese media, you know. And part of the picture for
Speaker 1: him is really seeing it before it becomes reality. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was a guy who saw himself throwing one hundred
Speaker 1: miles per hour when he was fifteen. He says, that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the keys. First comes the mind, then
Speaker 1: you put in the work. So visualizing it and then
Speaker 1: putting in the work. I mean, he just has so
Speaker 1: much good advice on just daily improvement stuff that every
Speaker 1: day he experiments with something new in order to improve.
Speaker 1: Then he writes down what felt good and what didn't
Speaker 1: so he'll remember it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had asked, is this the greatest single game
Speaker 2: performance offensively for a baseball player? And I think it
Speaker 2: has to be. The only other reference is another Dodger
Speaker 2: player back when Sean Green hit four home runs twenty
Speaker 2: plus years ago, he had the single game record with
Speaker 2: nineteen total bases. But there's never been I think this
Speaker 2: was a stat that I saw once the RBI became
Speaker 2: an official statistic back in nineteen twenty. Only one major
Speaker 2: league player has had, over the course of a career.
Speaker 2: A career not one game over the course of their
Speaker 2: career had a single game with ten or more RBIs
Speaker 2: and a game with six or more hits, and a
Speaker 2: game with five or more extra base hits and a
Speaker 2: game with three or more home runs and a game
Speaker 2: with two plus stolen bases. Nobody had done that in
Speaker 2: their career until sho Hey Otani did it in one game.
Speaker 1: Gary and hey, hey, I've got a question. What is
Speaker 1: our flashback Friday years in ninety something?
Speaker 2: Guess who was born in ninety four, who was.
Speaker 1: Born in ninety four?
Speaker 2: Can we just spend eight minutes talking.
Speaker 1: About oh show, Hey Atani, joey Otani, You're right, how
Speaker 1: funny that I just chose now to ask that question.
Speaker 2: That is a great question. I love it. New report
Speaker 2: came out, five page summarized report from the US Secret Service.
Speaker 2: Some of the key conclusions about that July thirteenth assassination
Speaker 2: attempt against former President Trump that it was communication breakdowns,
Speaker 2: among other things. They talked about a cascading and wide
Speaker 2: ranging failings that preceded that shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania. Both
Speaker 2: local and federal law enforcement are held to task for this,
Speaker 2: including the simple communication breakdowns between Secret Service, the campaign organizers,
Speaker 2: rally organizers, and local law enforcement. That we're there to
Speaker 2: help help the Secret Service secure that area.
Speaker 1: We talked in the last hour about the most surprising
Speaker 1: new gun owners are US liberals. Kamala Harris talking to
Speaker 1: Oprah about being a gun owner last night. I have
Speaker 1: expressed my desire to have a gun, but I am
Speaker 1: not allowed to have one. My buddy Tom gave me
Speaker 1: a burna gun as a happy medium, a way to
Speaker 1: protect myself but not making anybody around me nervous, and
Speaker 1: I thought it would be interesting to talk to to
Speaker 1: Berna about the proliferation of these non lethal weapons for protection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luan Fom is the chief marketing officer for Berna.
Speaker 2: You can look them up by the way, b y
Speaker 2: r NA And let's talk Lwan. Let's talk first about
Speaker 2: the genesis of this Where where does this company come from?
Speaker 2: Why why put together something as a as detailed as
Speaker 2: non lethal alternatives to what would be traditional firearms.
Speaker 5: Hey guys, thanks for having me, and uh, you know
Speaker 5: we're we're just so humbled to be invited on. But
Speaker 5: the whole genesis of Berna, it really was created by
Speaker 5: a group of gun owners who have the common sense
Speaker 5: to understand that one bullet can ruin many lives, not
Speaker 5: only the person getting shot or hopefully not an innocent bystandard,
Speaker 5: but the person doing the shooting. Because if it's tamed
Speaker 5: and overuse of force, you know you are going to
Speaker 5: face you know, the jail time, potentially jail time you're
Speaker 5: going to deal you have to deal with courts and
Speaker 5: from criminal to civil. And if you are incarcerated for
Speaker 5: an overuse of force, then other lies are and my
Speaker 5: for my in my instance, my wife, my kids, all
Speaker 5: of that. So you know, you got to be very
Speaker 5: mindful that and understand that not every altercation requires lethal means,
Speaker 5: and wrapping that firearm is essentially what we identify as
Speaker 5: the nuclear option. So make sure you exhaust all your
Speaker 5: options before you have to go to that, because if
Speaker 5: you're going to use a sledge hammer for any instance,
Speaker 5: you're going to leave a lot of damage in your wake.
Speaker 5: And the end result is, especially in the re litigious
Speaker 5: world we live in, the outcome is they're replicable and
Speaker 5: it's going to change your life forever.
Speaker 1: It gives me confidence knowing that I have this weapon
Speaker 1: for protection, and I think that when you talk to
Speaker 1: people who and more and more I'm hearing Berner. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking to a friend the other day and have
Speaker 1: you heard of Berner. I'm like, yes, I have one.
Speaker 1: I just think that it's giving people peace of mind
Speaker 1: with this the world that we are in right now,
Speaker 1: and we did it. We were talking about a story
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal about more and more people
Speaker 1: arming themselves the world that we live around. It's like,
Speaker 1: what else is going to is going to be thrown
Speaker 1: at us? And just having that confidence of knowing you
Speaker 1: could protect yourself if everything goes to hell.
Speaker 2: It just feels good, yes.
Speaker 5: And you know we do. We have a lot of
Speaker 5: customers in California, a lot in southern cal just because
Speaker 5: getting a firearm is very restrictive in your state. But
Speaker 5: also you know, it's just it's just a big leap
Speaker 5: for folks, and our product is not only this was
Speaker 5: it not only designed for gun owners to give them options,
Speaker 5: but those who are adversify arms to have an option
Speaker 5: that has formidable stopping power, effective range of sixty feet.
Speaker 5: One cannister of CO two can fire eighteen rounds and
Speaker 5: so you have a fighting chance to escape and to
Speaker 5: de escalate a tense situation if you need to, and
Speaker 5: you give you a peace of mind.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, we're talking with Lawan Fom, who is
Speaker 2: a chief marketing officer for the company Berna that produces
Speaker 2: less lethal launchers. Is the product that they describe. But
Speaker 2: it looks for all intents and purposes. The handgun versions
Speaker 2: of them look like small handguns, And I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting that you point out there's there are sometimes the
Speaker 2: discussions between gun owners, especially those who have guns. I
Speaker 2: have a hand I have handguns and the discussion of okay,
Speaker 2: in the event that something happened at my home and
Speaker 2: I did have to discharge a weapon at somebody who
Speaker 2: is doing evil there, Like you said, there's a lot
Speaker 2: to go, there's a lot of after market, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of after events, things that can still happen. Whereas
Speaker 2: in this case, I don't have the background check, I
Speaker 2: don't have the paperwork that's necessary through the state. It
Speaker 2: is less than lethal. So whoever I'm you know, aiming at,
Speaker 2: is going to be able to survive this. And it's
Speaker 2: a it's a I don't know, more comfortable. Would that
Speaker 2: be appropriate to say it's a more comfortable way to
Speaker 2: defend yourself.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Now you bring up a very important point. So
Speaker 5: the burna you don't need a background check. We can
Speaker 5: shift directly to your door. It's legal in all fifty states,
Speaker 5: and it's very easy to shoot. There's no there's no
Speaker 5: loud recoil as you get with the gun and a
Speaker 5: jerking sensation, and you don't need your protection to use it.
Speaker 5: But the most important thing which is required by law
Speaker 5: enforcement is what you know we call the continuum force protocol.
Speaker 5: If an officer is in a situation where he has
Speaker 5: to de escalate or you know, take down an aggressor.
Speaker 5: He has to use verbal commands, drop your weapon, deploy
Speaker 5: less lethal, and then the lethal. Then if he or
Speaker 5: she follows that cadence, they're going to say the careers
Speaker 5: prevent the city from having to write, you know, checks
Speaker 5: to victims. But for the homeowner, let's just say, you know,
Speaker 5: there's someone in my house uninvited. They're intruding in the middle.
Speaker 6: Of the night.
Speaker 5: I say, you know, I would say leave my house,
Speaker 5: deploy less lethal, and it ends up in my case
Speaker 5: because I have lethal firearms. If I have to escalate
Speaker 5: the lethal and end up taking a life, and I
Speaker 5: end up in court, this is what my lawyer is
Speaker 5: going to say in my defense, Ladies and gentlemen, the jury.
Speaker 5: My client had intruders in his home. He verbally commanded
Speaker 5: to lead them to leave. They did not apply. He
Speaker 5: deployed less lethal uh some defense. He went His intentions
Speaker 5: were never to take a life. He went out and
Speaker 5: bought this burn up launcher less lethal launcher to avoid
Speaker 5: having to escalate to lethal. Unfortunately, these intruders escalated their
Speaker 5: attack and he had no choice but to elevate to
Speaker 5: lethal force to defend himself and his family. And with
Speaker 5: a you know, argument like that, it's so much stronger
Speaker 5: than Hey, my client was intoxicate, he happened into your
Speaker 5: house on accident. He was just you know, he was
Speaker 5: unarmed and New York client decided to play judge, jury
Speaker 5: and executioner. And if that is an argument in California,
Speaker 5: you know you're going to get incarcerated if you even
Speaker 5: escape the criminal charges. What it lands into civil court
Speaker 5: where it is not as strict. A third rate ambulance
Speaker 5: chasing lawyer will remove you of as many accids as
Speaker 5: he can because once he does it two dillisons and
Speaker 5: realize that, hey, this person has you know, the wherewithal
Speaker 5: to really provide me a payday. Trust that they're going
Speaker 5: to go after you with full force.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, you can check out all of the products
Speaker 2: burn a b y r NA dot com. Luwan fam again,
Speaker 2: the chief marketing officer, thanks for that. We appreciate that
Speaker 2: like this, This option, I think is going to be
Speaker 2: good for some.
Speaker 1: People, not to mention for nervous hikers as well. My
Speaker 1: brother is known to take a firearm with him when
Speaker 1: he goes into the mountains, and this is a better alternative.
Speaker 5: I would say one last thing in parting the difference
Speaker 5: in legal from a perspective, you're a firearms owner and
Speaker 5: you pulled that weapon, you have to prove to the
Speaker 5: police that there was imminent threat, like someone's going to
Speaker 5: take your life with the burner said, that's a less
Speaker 5: lethal product. You just have to prove threat. So Gary,
Speaker 5: we were outside and you were waving your arms at
Speaker 5: me and yelling at me, I could pull out my burner,
Speaker 5: laudger and empty my magazine on you because I'm responding
Speaker 5: to a less legal threat with a less legal response, which,
Speaker 5: by the way, according to the FBI, ninety percent of
Speaker 5: all altercations do not require lethal force.
Speaker 1: And I would defend him by firing back at you.
Speaker 5: Garry's the bad guy in this scenario.
Speaker 2: Again, thank you for your time today. We appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thanks. Yes, they safe out there everyone.
Speaker 2: Kevin Wang was a senior at Canyon Crest Academy down
Speaker 2: near San Diego, and he remembered something that bothered him
Speaker 2: back when he was a business officer for the robotics team.
Speaker 2: There's a nonprofit foundation for the school. The main fundraising
Speaker 2: arm called the Canyon Crest Academy Foundation, and he said
Speaker 2: that it was taken a bunch of money from his
Speaker 2: robotics team. The foundation kept twenty five percent of every
Speaker 2: donation that it collected on behalf of the team, and
Speaker 2: it did that for other student clubs too, and controlled
Speaker 2: the accounts of some of these school sponsored clubs like
Speaker 2: the robotics team, and at the end of every fiscal year,
Speaker 2: it would take somewhere between twenty eight and thirty four
Speaker 2: percent of the team's actual revenue.
Speaker 1: So he realizes he still has access to the robotics
Speaker 1: team's financial spread sheets and he starts digging around. Another senior,
Speaker 1: a classmate helps him out joins the investigation. So they
Speaker 1: come through public records including Forms nine to ninety annual
Speaker 1: audited financial Statements, website by laws as well is the
Speaker 1: robotic team's financial spreadsheets. They interviewed students and coaches at
Speaker 1: other schools in the district as well, and they have
Speaker 1: now published a fifteen page report on a website they
Speaker 1: titled Ravens for Transparency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and among other things, they found the Canyoncast Canyon
Speaker 2: Crest Academy Foundation charges significantly higher fees for their student
Speaker 2: clubs from I should say, their student clubs than any
Speaker 2: other organization in the in the San Dieguito School district.
Speaker 1: By their calculations, that foundation had taken one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand of two hundred and forty two thousand in
Speaker 1: donation and grant revenue that was meant for the robotics
Speaker 1: team over six years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so where does it go? Well, that's a great question,
Speaker 2: and they asked it. They found more than six hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy four thousand dollars of the foundation's expenses, a
Speaker 2: third of its spending was categorized as something called other
Speaker 2: program hmmm, and they had to figure out exactly what
Speaker 2: that money was going to, what the donations to the
Speaker 2: nonprofit were going to.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They also found, amazingly the foundation was not reporting its
Speaker 2: officers' salaries on the financial disclosure documents which would be required,
Speaker 2: and they hadn't been saying how much their officers were
Speaker 2: being paid for several years.
Speaker 1: Well, the principle says that this is grossly erroneous and misleading.
Speaker 1: He even pulled in the kid from class to question
Speaker 1: him in his office.
Speaker 2: Okay, mm hmm. If listen, if a high school kid
Speaker 2: can see this, A couple of high school kids can
Speaker 2: see this and put it together. I mean, we've said
Speaker 2: this multiple times. If two morons like us can sit
Speaker 2: around and see things that are wrong with insert name
Speaker 2: of government, bureaucracy or whatever, shouldn't there shouldn't there be
Speaker 2: somebody else who's like, yeah, you know what, that is wrong,
Speaker 2: that's the doesn't seem right. Maybe there should be a
Speaker 2: foundation that's designed to raise money for kids, that actually
Speaker 2: gives money to kids and doesn't take it away from them.
Speaker 1: Whenever it's in the best interest of kids, you gotta
Speaker 1: look a little closer.
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