WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.320 Hey, folks, Objectively Dan here and a decad of illustrated 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:07.679 cards can't tell you your future, at least in my opinion, 3 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:10.119 but they can tell you a lot about how badly 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.240 we want answers. See. I think tarot cards work just 5 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:18.000 based on vague language or wishful thinking or somebody who's 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.359 going to be reading you, not the cards, right, And 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.239 I think we've shuffled through the cards and have come 8 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.679 up empty handed. So call in and give us a 9 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.320 prediction that wasn't just a lucky guess, or better yet, 10 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:31.879 give us a live reading or prove that it's real, 11 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:41.280 because the show is starting right now. Hello, folks, welcome 12 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.320 back to another episode of Truth Wanted. I am your host, 13 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.960 Objectively Dan. This is the live calling show that happens 14 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:51.600 every single week Sundays at two forty five pm Stentral 15 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:53.960 where we talk to people about what they believe and 16 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.200 why they believe it. If you'd like to call us, 17 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.039 do that now the numbers five one two nine nine 18 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.000 four two, or you can call through your computer and 19 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.120 ACA don show slash call it. 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We're starting a little bit 41 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.280 late today, folks, so sorry, but you know lines are open, 42 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:07.840 so we're ready to talk to you. 43 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:08.159 Guys. 44 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:10.599 I know there's somebody that already wants to talk to 45 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.439 us about some tarot cards stuff. But it doesn't have 46 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.240 to be about tarot cards. It can be about God, 47 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.560 it can be about big funny me about aliens. Whatever 48 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.199 happens on truth Wanted stays on truth Wanted. You know 49 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.080 what I'm saying like this. You know, we do things 50 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.479 a little bit differently around here, but Jay, welcome to 51 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:32.039 truth Wanted. You are what did you describe yourself as zero? 52 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:33.479 You said you are a fresh face. 53 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:37.800 Yeah, I'm a fresh face, fresh face in this community. 54 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.840 As far as this side of content creating, I have 55 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.199 done content creating before, but it was like poker and 56 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:46.520 things like that and gaming. 57 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:48.879 Well, hey wait poker. Now you're gonna show us some 58 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.240 tricks on here because we're talking about tarot cards. Maybe 59 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:52.759 there's some sort of connection there. 60 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.280 I was a pretty decent player, and I will say this, 61 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.280 I got better when I stopped being super Still is okay? 62 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.280 Interesting? That makes sense? You play like online stuff? You 63 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:05.280 were doing content there? 64 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.280 Yes, I used to stream doing live cash games online 65 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.280 and I also played live as well. 66 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.400 That's dope. Can you still do? Wait? This is totally 67 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.439 not on topic for this show at all. But I 68 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.479 am just curious now because like all these laws about 69 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.120 like a gambling state to state, does that make that 70 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.879 more problematic for that kind of content. I'm just curious 71 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.159 if you know about any of that, because. 72 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.879 Yeah, this is where I'm in my new career now. 73 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.280 Okay, so okay, so now because you can't do it, 74 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.039 oh okay, wow, so now you're like, okay, we got 75 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:44.120 to pivot to atheism. That's in order to make that revenue. 76 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.919 It's a good creed. I see how it is. But no, Jay, 77 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.840 you you used to be a Christian and you are 78 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:54.360 no longer a Christian, and I want to talk about 79 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:55.800 your story a little bit. Tell me about that. 80 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:03.479 Yeah, born and raised in the South Texas. Mother father Christians. 81 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.639 Father maybe a little less of the showing it, but 82 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.599 mother definitely was. 83 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:10.000 Was that. 84 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.280 Luckily for me, uh, seeing people that had it worse. 85 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.879 I was only forced to go to church until age 86 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.319 about nine. So after that my mother said, hey, if 87 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.040 you don't want to go, you don't have to go. 88 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.439 But okay, definitely what part of Texas if you don't 89 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.040 mind me as Houston? 90 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:28.360 Houston? 91 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.839 Okay, so you're Houston guys, So you know I'm from Waco, 92 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.399 so you know there's there's that uh, you know that 93 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.399 makes sense. You know, Houston, Houston and tech everywhere in Texas. 94 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.199 There is a similarity in Christian culture. I would say 95 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.000 the further you get from the city, the worse it gets, 96 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.959 I would say, but it depends depends on where you're at, right. 97 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:48.680 Yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right. 98 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.079 Uh my my wife is from one of those towns 99 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:52.759 you're talking about. 100 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.600 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, so you're Christian 101 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.040 for for you know, that portion of the life. And 102 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.480 then we were talking a little bit before the show 103 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.600 and you were kind of saying, like you describe your 104 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.319 change in percentages. You're like, at this point in the life, 105 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.120 I was eighty percent. Then I was about sixty percent. 106 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:13.800 So you know, how do you leave that? Because you know, 107 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.199 for most people, they stay the same most of their lives, 108 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.279 right or it's the changes they do have is within 109 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.519 their religious faith. It's not necessarily out of the religious faith. 110 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.079 So what made that change for you? 111 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:29.160 Just the fact of being forced because I played basketball 112 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.720 and I traveled a lot since I was about ten, 113 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:36.439 so not having to be at home, I was able 114 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:40.120 to be around other people that had beliefs and Mormonism 115 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.279 are in other just all other religions. I was able 116 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.279 to play basketball and travel the country with those kind 117 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.680 of people. So that is like, say, I'm one hundred 118 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.800 percent when I'm ten, and then i go travel with 119 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:58.160 a roommate that might be a Muslim, and now that 120 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.279 that one hundred percent tonight eight because. 121 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:02.800 Yeah, right, that I never heard. 122 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.639 Before, right, So yeah, I had a similar experience in 123 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.319 that regard, you know, in college. For me, it's like, oh, 124 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.759 you meet other people from other backgrounds and turns out 125 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.279 not everybody actually views the world the same way you do. 126 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.959 And it's like, huh, how does that work? You know, 127 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.000 how do you get from one thing to another? It's 128 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.279 almost as if everybody has different ideas and maybe your 129 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.839 ideas aren't all true. Something to think about, right, Funny 130 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:29.480 how that works. 131 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.240 Yeah, you're just never you don't know that and until 132 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:33.839 you're you go around other people. 133 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.639 Yeah, it's true. I like that your story in corporate 134 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.240 like you were traveling for basketball, which is awesome because 135 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:40.879 it's like, yeah, that's that's the way to do it. 136 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.800 I've I've heard about people, you know, meeting other people 137 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.399 and maybe traveling. You're maybe the first story I've heard 138 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.120 where Yeah, it's because basketball. You can you can distribute 139 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:51.040 to a sport. 140 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.399 That Yeah, I would. I would have been at home 141 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:55.759 if it wasn't for basketball. 142 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.279 Yeah, well that's crazy, that's awesome. You'd be you'd be 143 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.639 going to church, uh this Sunday right now? 144 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.879 Well even even during that, let's to be fair. 145 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:09.519 Yeah, I was a devout Christian, kind of apologetic person. 146 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.160 I would say I did the same thing that I'm 147 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.000 doing now, I just did it the other way. So 148 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.120 I was the weird basketball player that used to preach 149 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:22.639 to my teammates and tell them to be saved and 150 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:24.000 show them how to be saved. 151 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:26.319 And that's how a lot of these conversations stated for me. 152 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.199 They've had a couple of those guys in the NBA. 153 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.040 I think, you know that's Hey, that's kind of a problem. Actually, 154 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:34.360 I'm trying to think of the guy that got in 155 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.360 trouble for that recently. I can't remember his name. 156 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:38.959 But I don't follow it as much as I used to. 157 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.959 I'm not. Yeah, that makes sense, but you know I 158 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.959 could see how Yeah, of course, right, broadening your horizons, 159 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.319 you're meeting other people you're maybe not as into it anymore, 160 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.720 but you you had invested into a relationship at that 161 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.519 point as well. Right, you said you were married and 162 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.519 you had a family at that point, So what was 163 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.040 that situation like for you? 164 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.560 So that would be my ex wife now, but uh, 165 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.959 and we're real good friends. But she we were both 166 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.680 definitely devout Christians at that time, had our first son 167 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:15.439 and planned to raise him in a Christian environment as well. Uh, 168 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.399 you know, things happened after that, but yeah, we we 169 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.560 thought we were going to raise them the same as 170 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.439 we were raised and turns out different. 171 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.160 Yeah, okay, yeah, so, uh there's some people that made 172 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:29.199 that and you know, I you know, you need to 173 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.839 tell you about your whole family history there, right. But 174 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.240 was was was faith a part of the reason why 175 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:38.279 your relationship was it working? Or was that just like 176 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.080 kind of one of some other things? 177 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.320 Good question. I think it was more of why we 178 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.720 stayed together. Uh we weren't. We weren't together that long. 179 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.480 But we probably just shouldn't even have stayed together in 180 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:51.159 the first place. 181 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.440 Uh. But and and I'm okay with saying that now. 182 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.600 Because we're we're really cool, sure, but just the process 183 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.360 are sorry the environ meant we were brought up in 184 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.480 was you stay together. So were we found out she 185 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:08.279 was pregnant and you're together, you know, and that's that's 186 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.159 kind of how that relationship started. 187 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.679 Well that's one reason why I asked, because I definitely 188 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.000 grew up in a Christian environment where you know, divorce 189 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.320 is a last resort thing and it's it's always used 190 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.960 as a tragedy, whereas now I view it as a 191 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.200 good thing for the most part, right, because you want 192 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.720 you're you're leaving something that you shouldn't be a part of. Right, 193 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.000 But you know, it's it's a tragedy, it's something you 194 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.600 should avoid, it's something you should never do, and that 195 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.200 you need to stick with somebody for life. So you know, uh, 196 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.960 it used to for me divorce was always like oh 197 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.720 my god, it's it's something you said behind closed doors. 198 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:44.840 And I don't know if it's just because I'm the 199 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.600 person I am now or if there is a change 200 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.120 in the culture or maybe both. But now I hear like, oh, yeah, 201 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.360 you get divorce. It's like, yeah, that's like that's most 202 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:56.360 of my friend's parents you know at this point, right, Yeah, yeah, 203 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:57.480 for sure. 204 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.080 And I have the same same exact a story. I 205 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:02.559 think a lot of us have this story if you 206 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.519 grew up in that. Yeah, and it's just the the 207 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.840 outcome of the traditions and what you're taught. 208 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.080 And and like I. 209 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.720 Said, I take pride in the fact that we are 210 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.720 really good friends now and we would not have been 211 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.159 good if we just forced each other to stay with 212 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:23.399 each other. And I don't know, I think that's that's something. Yeah, 213 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.559 there's always we always say there's proof one way, but 214 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:27.000 what about the proof the other way? 215 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:31.279 So, yeah, that's something you uh, you describe yourself as 216 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:36.720 an apologist earlier, which is kind of curious and now yeah, 217 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.759 and then and then now you're you know, so it's 218 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.159 one thing to kind of deconstruct these ideas and then 219 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:45.000 say you're an atheist now and move on with your life. 220 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.240 And it's another thing to start making content about it, 221 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.840 like on the internet. So, like, what was the reason 222 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.840 for you that you're like I need to talk about this, 223 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.480 you know from a content creation perspective. 224 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.759 Sure, I would say it's the same motivation that I 225 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:04.360 had as far as when I was preaching Jesus. I 226 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:08.480 just want to show people and give them reasons why 227 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.360 to be kind to each other. And all I had 228 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.080 to fall back on during that time was Jesus. 229 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.600 So that's what I preached to people. 230 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:21.600 And then during those preachings, I was confronted by other religions, 231 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.720 so I had to come with answers, and it made 232 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.159 me go search deeper for answers and I found them, 233 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.200 and it led me another way after I found them. 234 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.000 Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, short and sweet and simple. 235 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.200 I like it, right, very simple? Does that be super complicated? 236 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:42.960 I feel like I like how simple that way you 237 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.320 just put it is because in my mind sometimes I 238 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.120 go back on my story and I'm like, oh my gosh, 239 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.000 I have this moment, and then I had this moment 240 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.200 and then I had this reason. But like for the 241 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.159 truth is for a lot of us that kind of 242 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.000 deconstruct it can sometimes just be like one or two 243 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.440 or three reasons that kind of make the whole thing 244 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.240 sort of fall apart in a way, right, And when 245 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.799 you're talking about other people's experiences, I think for me 246 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:07.840 it was something similar. It's like, Okay, if a person 247 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.080 can be a Muslim and can grow up and can 248 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.600 be devout in this faith, why why does that happen? 249 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.919 Why does that incurve. That's kind of a weird idea 250 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.200 if you think about it from a Christian perspective, from 251 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.519 God that's supposedly wanting to affect everybody's lives in the world. 252 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:24.799 Why do we have Aborigines that never heard of Jesus 253 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.720 until somebody told them, right? Why do we have groups 254 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.240 of people that are very devout and are very to 255 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.399 their faith and from their perspective, is one hundred percent true, 256 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.480 But it would be the exact opposite of what my 257 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.000 religion would say. You know, again talking about Muslims in particular, 258 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.639 but you know that makes up over a billion people 259 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.759 in the world. That's not a small amount. We're not 260 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.960 talking about some guy off the street. We're talking about 261 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.200 a history and a culture of people. And I think 262 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:55.200 the actual existence of multiple religions kind of kind of 263 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:59.200 deconstructs Christianity in of itself, which is it's kind of fascinating. 264 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.440 Yeah, I agree, And what got me is that same thing, 265 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.279 like I said, being forced at a very young age, 266 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.080 and I was good enough in basketball to be forced 267 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.759 to go play with older men. So I got to 268 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:16.039 see it at twelve years old talking to like sixteen 269 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.759 and seventeen year olds really challenging me on my beliefs, 270 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.200 so they were like, you're you know. They would call 271 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.240 me names and tell me how stupid I was for 272 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:29.720 believing in these things, and it made me go search 273 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:34.519 for it. And seeing that somebody believed something just as 274 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.240 devout as I did. It was an eye opener for 275 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.559 me because how can I say they're wrong? 276 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.639 So you're saying bullying helped you, so in order to 277 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.480 convert people, we need to start bullying. Though I wouldn't 278 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:48.840 say that. 279 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.080 If you watch my content, people say I'm a little 280 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.519 too nice, but it is because I just know what 281 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.120 it was like to really believe this stuff and really 282 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.399 think that it was true and wonder why the other 283 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:07.679 person couldn't see it. 284 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.960 Well, you're you're a good Southern boy, Jay, there you go. 285 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.000 Yeah, you're right right. 286 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:15.440 I think that too. I think I've had, you know, 287 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.720 if I looked at my online experience and the comments 288 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.399 that I've gotten the most, I think I've also probably 289 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.639 gotten that response to of like you're you're too nice 290 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.879 to people, which I feel like and recently hasn't been 291 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:28.360 in this fit, I feel like I'm not as nice 292 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.399 like this. If you had to look at last year 293 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.600 versus all my other years, I'm probably been the meanest, 294 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.279 but I maybe it's because I'm more jaded, but I 295 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.519 I do kind of share that same perspective where it's like, 296 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.759 you know, it's like catching flies with honey rather than 297 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.080 anything else, Right, It's like you can show that, you know. 298 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.080 My idea of being atheist was you're an old, bitter, 299 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.159 jaded person, right, And I don't want that to be 300 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.039 the case. I think that you can be a good person. 301 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.320 I think that you can be a very good person 302 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.600 actually without that, and that you can be normal, and 303 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.320 that you can talk to people about these ideas without 304 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.799 getting too crazy about it and just showing that off 305 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.120 that I exist. I think knowing that that's kind of 306 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.480 a person that's out there would have changed the way 307 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.440 I've thought of things a long time ago. So I 308 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.919 don't know that's just my perspective on it, but no. 309 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:16.679 It's ae hundred percent. 310 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:18.600 I go back into my life all the time, and 311 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.279 I realized this may be, like a couple of weeks ago, 312 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.840 that one of my best friends was aist atheist, and 313 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.440 I had no clue when I When I go back 314 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.440 and think about his parents and everything, yeah. Really, but 315 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.039 when you're in it, you think everybody's religious. I really did. 316 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.840 It's for everyone. Was You're so right, You're so right. 317 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:39.559 You really do think that everybody thinks the same way 318 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:44.320 you do, which is not correct. But yeah, for sure. 319 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.799 Today's topic, Jay, we we opened this talking about tarot cards, 320 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.120 and uh, you know again we don't have to talk 321 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.080 to callers about tarot cards, but I am curious. Did 322 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.600 you have any experience with that kind of stuff, spiritualism, 323 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.080 that kind of thing, or is that kind of always 324 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.360 a taboo sort of forbidden thing for you. 325 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.159 I'm I'm one of the Christians when I was a 326 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.879 Christian where I would try everything. So I was the 327 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.200 guy that was like, hey, if this is true, I 328 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.600 want to know. So I definitely have tried anything as 329 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.440 far as horoscopes. I haven't necessarily worked with tarot cards 330 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:22.480 because I don't know how to do that, okay, but 331 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.279 I've had family members that still believe in these kind 332 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.000 of things and you can predict your future and see 333 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.399 you if you're on the right path. So I'm the 334 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.759 type of guy like, hey, my wife's creole, so they 335 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:37.639 are kind of superstitious in a way. 336 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.399 So it's just like, hey, if you can prove it, 337 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.679 show me sure. 338 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.159 I've never been scared of any of this, so I'm 339 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.080 excited if somebody comes in here and does. 340 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:47.600 Yeah, I'd like. 341 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.440 To know if we can know more things about those 342 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.639 kinds of readings. It's funny that the topic is is 343 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.080 that this morning, because this week I actually read a 344 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:01.679 really interesting post on Reddit about somebody asking about tarot 345 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.279 cards and they were kind of like, well, what's the 346 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.119 deal with tarot cards or or any of you guys 347 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:08.559 out there practicing this stuff and don't believe it? Which 348 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.119 I thought was an interesting question, And the top comment 349 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.240 was somebody saying like, yeah, I have a friend who 350 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.119 who uses it as a kind of therapy, and they 351 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.960 kind of describe it like this. They're like, you know, 352 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.640 you're just kind of having a conversation with somebody and 353 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.640 you're kind of presenting these ideas, and you're letting people 354 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.640 kind to their own conclusions about these ideas. Like if 355 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.400 you show somebody the death card and that brings up 356 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.559 some ideas for them, you're kind of like letting them 357 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.160 get a chance to talk about something that maybe is 358 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.839 on their mind or maybe is being reflected in the cards. 359 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.279 And you're not actually telling the future. You're not telling 360 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:48.240 them anything that you know is super natural, and it's 361 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.359 supernatural in a sense, right, It's more just like, here's 362 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.799 a way to kind of bring up ideas that you 363 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.720 may subconsciously be thinking about in sort of a healthy, 364 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.039 more productive environment. I thought that was really fascinating because 365 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.400 I hadn't really considered that perspective too much before. Like 366 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.759 I knew that people that did something similar where it's like, oh, 367 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.240 it's just kind of a topic of conversation, but I 368 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.000 never thought about taro cards as like a therapy tool, 369 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.279 which is kind of interesting. Have you heard about this idea? 370 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.319 Yeah, I can get it. And to me, it's the 371 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:24.519 same thing as sports in a way where it's just like, 372 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.880 as human beings, we're such weird animals that we need 373 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:33.839 these kind of things to just pacify us. So, you know, 374 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.400 if you need that feeling of not being afraid of 375 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.960 the future, you'll find things like tarot cards, or you'll 376 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.920 look into astrology and you'll look at something that can 377 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.119 tell you you'll be okay tomorrow. And I think that's 378 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.400 just part of our processes that we do. For me 379 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.200 as an athlete, it was more of, I would say, 380 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.960 being afraid of being beaten. So it's like I'm gonna 381 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.279 beat you first, and I'm gonna practice to beat you first. 382 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.799 So all of these things I think are just ways 383 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.559 of pacifying that fear that. 384 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:07.680 We have of the unknown. 385 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:12.359 Oooh yeah, oh that's interesting, sort of a coping almost right. 386 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.880 So like your master over sports gives you, it's sort 387 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.200 of like, well, I can master this, so I don't 388 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.000 have to fear it. I can control it. That's kind 389 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.799 of what you're saying there, And so you think tarot 390 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.680 cards are kind of the same way, where it's like, oh, 391 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.200 if we can we can sort of master this these ideas, 392 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.640 then we don't have to be afraid of not being 393 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.839 able to control what's happening there. Exactly right, You're right on, 394 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.720 spot on, that's what I think. Well, that's the case 395 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.079 I don't like, Like, I don't know. The only times 396 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.559 I really have big problems with this stuff is again 397 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.000 it's like when people claim they can do things that 398 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:49.799 they can't really do. 399 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:50.079 Right. 400 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.920 It's like the future stuff, you know, it's the oh, 401 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.920