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so much for your support. So, as I mentioned in

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the last hour, talked a little bit about the broken

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windows theory, right, this idea that policing the little things matter. Okay,

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it matters because in a nutshell, it means that somebody cares. Right,

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you see a bunch of litter on some property and

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it just stays there all the time, and then you know,

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more people throw more litter. There just becomes a dumping

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ground because the message is that nobody cares about this

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piece of property. If you clean it up and you

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keep it tidy and you take care of it, it

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sends a message that somebody actually does care about this property.

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And if you come to the property to try to

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vandalize it or litter there, whatever, you may encounter that

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person who cares. It's the same thing with media coverage

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of political violence. This pass that the left has gotten

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for twenty thirty years now of escalating rhetoric while pointing

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to everybody else's escalating rhetoric. But it's also evident in

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the criminal justice system. When you don't care to enforce

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the small stuff, then people particularly criminals, anti social people,

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people with antisocial personality disorders, right, they they do not

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care about following whatever norms of a society exist. They're

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going to break the rules. They don't care, and if

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they escape punishment, then they keep ratcheting up their antisocial behavior.

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And the people who otherwise would follow the norms, they

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now see that the little things don't matter to the institutions,

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and so they quit caring about the little things too,

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and that's how you end up with a breakdown. This

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is also I've talked about this for years as well,

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the preference cascade. There was a sociologist who did a

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bunch of studies on rioting from the sixties and seventies.

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They talked about, you know, the first person to pick

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up a rock and break a window, their number, if

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you will, is zero. They don't need to see somebody

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else break a window in order for them to go

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break a window. But if my number is one, and

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I see that person engage in the behavior, so now

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I join in. And whoever had a number of two,

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now they see me and the first person, and now

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they engage, and more and more and more people's numbers

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get hit, and then more and more people start breaking

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the rules. If you've ever been to a Grateful Dead

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show and watch people crash over the walls to get

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on the field, same thing it just you can watch it.

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I was a part of one, like you can you

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feel it, you see it happening. The crowd builds and

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builds and builds, and then preference cascade. Everybody jumps over

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the wall, storms the field to get better seats or

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standing room closer to the stage. You wouldn't do it

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on your own because you'd probably get caught, But when

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you see hundreds of people doing it at once, your

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number gets checked. And that brings us to the North

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Carolina House debate yesterday. I want or listen to the

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entire thing.

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Speaker 2: It ran.

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Speaker 1: While all of the debates were hours long, this one

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ran almost two hours, and it was on the passage

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of House built three oh seven called IRENA's Law, and

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according to the write up by the Legislative Analysis Division,

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it provides a new procedure to have defendants with suspected

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mental health issues to be evaluated for involuntary commitment. To

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Modify the laws related to pre trial release to provide

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stricter guidelines for defendants charged with violent defenses and defendants

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with extensive criminal histories. Eliminates the condition to release a

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defendant on a written promise to appear. Modify the laws

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related to aggravated factors considering its sentencing to provide that

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committing a crime in a public transit system is what's

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called an aggravating factor to be considered. Modify the laws

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related to oversight and discipline of magistrates. Direct the North

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Carolina Collaboratory to study mental health in the justice system.

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Prohibit the Task Force for Racial Equity and Criminal Justice

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from being recreated because it's sunseted and so and the

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General Assembly said the Governor cannot reconstitute or recreate this thing.

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This was a Roy Cooper pet project after the summer

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of fiery and mostly peaceful riots. Modify death penalty proceedings

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to provide that appeals and post conviction motions for appropriate

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relief must be heard within twenty four months of the

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triggering events. And also to provide that the venue for

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any proceeding related to a death penalty case must be

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in the county of conviction. Modify certain procedures for involuntary

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commitment of a defendant found incapable of proceeding. Extend the

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terms of probation and post release supervision for youth adjudicated

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of certain violent offenses, and clarify victim's right to be

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notified about termination of probation or post release supervision so

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they will be notified now. And also give ten new

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additional full time assistant district attorneys and five full time

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legal assistants for Mecklemberg. So, in introducing this measure, Representative

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Tricia Coffam, who was recovering from a broken jaw, I

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was not aware of that, but she introduced the bill

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and she recounted the story of Arena Zarutska and how

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she was murdered by a deranged monster. That's what she said,

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a deranged monster. And this is apparently what got Democrats

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a little hot and.

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Speaker 3: Bothered, who already had fourteen previous convictions including and not

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limited to, armed rawbery, felony, larceny, and the list goes

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on a diagnosed schizophrenic. He was released by a magistrate

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without a secured bond, and the magistrate ignored all the

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very obvious red flags, including his erotic behavior just recently

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before this event that the police brought forward.

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Speaker 1: Right, so he was released without a secured bond, and

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she says, a magistrate ignored the obvious red flicks. The

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key here the question is how do you make magistrates

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give a crap? Like? How do you make that im

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I want to say all magistrates hashtag, not all magistrates,

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but how do you force them to look back at

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the person's record and understand that this guy is unwell,

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mentally unwell, or as we used to say in my day, crazy,

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And he's got a record of violent behavior. And while

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he may have been brought in for misuse of a

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nine to one one system, the elements of that arrest

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indicate someone who is crazy, and so his history plus

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that arrest would indicate he needs to be objected to

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some sort of mental health exam. She says, this bill

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is going the hope is that it ends this cycle.

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This in and out, repeat, repeat cycle.

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Speaker 3: He should have never been allowed out of the jail.

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The catch and release practices for violent offenders will end

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today with your support. This heineous act was preventable and

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is a direct result of judicial officials being too soft

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on crime and allowing too many criminals to have a

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revolving door that come into our neighborhoods and into our communities.

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These violent offenders are wreaking havoc, not just in Charlotte,

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but all over our North Care, North Caare Carolina and

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in everyone's district.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the real outrage here is that she called

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him a deranged monster, and she called the uh, the

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Democrats approach here soft on crime. That's what That's what

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hacked off her former Democrat colleagues, because she is now

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a Republican. Right she converted to a Republican switched parties

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about two years ago. They did not like, They did

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not like this this narrative. And look, Democrats at the

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state level, they are in a fight right now because

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after spending five years touting all sorts of quote unquote

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reforms in the wake of the George Floyd mostly peaceful riots, right,

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they need to flip this script and they need to

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do it quickly because they know what the polling shows

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on this and it's not good for them. So when

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I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and

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before he died, my mom and my dad took care

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of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there

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were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family.

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But things are different today because of the work of

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so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina.

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It's a great organization with awesome people with huge hearts.

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I've been a supporter for twenty five years. This cause

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means a lot to me. I participate in the annual

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Walk to end Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team

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again this year and it's called once again Pete's Pack.

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You can sign up and you can join the team

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There's also a link at thepetepod dot com. There's also

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a link in the description of this podcast. Also, I'll

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be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, and

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so you can make a team and join that one too,

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or make a donation and help me hit my goal

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of five thousand dollars. If you do, I really appreciate it.

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There are a bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas.

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You can go to alz dot org slash walk for

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all the dates and locations. We're closer than ever to

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stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us get there? Will you

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walk with me? For a different future, for families, for

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more time for treatments. This is why we walk. Listening

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to some of the audio, we are playing some of

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the audio from the North Carolina House floor debate yesterday

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before passage of Arena's Law, named after Arena Zarutzka, murdered

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on the Charlotte light railcar a month ago, stabbed in

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the neck by a repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offender, and

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Tricia Coffin, when introducing the bill for the vote, called

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the attacker in this case a deranged monster. And that's

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what tripped the trigger of several of the Democrats, who,

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by the way, all of them voted against this measure,

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just like in the Senate, they all voted against it.

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the Progressive Caucus, former Judge Marsha Morey from Durham, a Democrat,

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and along with her fellow Democrats, she objected to the

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use of the word monster.

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Speaker 4: We say a prayer in this body before we start

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a session, and we pray to God and we talk

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about kindness, we talk about mercy, we talk about justice.

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And then we have a bill come up. And what

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do we do? We call out a monster. Our president

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calls this person an animal? Boy, do our Christian values

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go down the tube? Within an instant.

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Speaker 1: Emotional blackmail from the judge from the former judge right,

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And so I guess now you don't want there to

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be a separation of church and state. It's just so

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difficult to keep these standard straight when you guys keep

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changing them based on whatever argument you need to make

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at any given moment. I'm sorry, I have difficulty keeping

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up here. So now you want all of the Christians

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to be governing as Christians first? Because like I hold

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enough to remember when you guys have said that you

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don't want that like literally on everything. No, this is

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emotional blackmail. This is I'm going to use your faith

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against you. I'm going to hold you to this standard

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that you claim to be about you, about mercy and

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this and that. Yeah, there is a difference. There is

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a difference, right, Yes, you are to forgive. We went

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over this yesterday. As a Christian, you forgive, But the

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state is to punish. This woman is a former judge

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from Durham, which really need I mean that explains everything here.

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As a friend of mine pointed out, I guess she's

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holding up what Durham as the example of all of

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the criminal justice outcomes that we should try to emulate

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statewide Durham. Really okay, So you cannot use the word

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deranged monster, You can't use the word animal if you're

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if you're a Christian. If you do, you're just not

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a Christian. You're not acting very christian y. She then

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objected to how Democrats have been blamed for this crime

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and basically all crimes and Democrat controlled cities and that's

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not fair even though they control they control the courts

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in these cities. Okay, she called all of this political

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theater and a lie that Democrats are soft on crime.

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Speaker 4: We cannot judge this crime based on press conferences where

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the Democrats have been blamed to be pro criminals. We're

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a press conference where a Democrat governor and a North

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Carolina justice are blamed for this crime. When a form

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congressman demands a judge be fired and held personally liable

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for a cashless bail system. None of that follows the

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facts of what happened in this case.

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Speaker 1: Right, So she's going to try. See this is the

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difficulty that the left always has is they try to

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make these kind of logical arguments when logic isn't on

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their side. It's very difficult to do. So I actually

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have some sympathy here. She said. Look, this attack occurred

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in like seconds, in like three seconds, and probably could

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not have been prevented. He was obviously going through some

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sort of mental health crisis.

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Speaker 4: And what did the officer do. They could have gone

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to a mental health professional and got an involuntary commitment.

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What did the officer do? Handcuffed and let's take him

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to a magistrate. Let's book him on a criminal charge,

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a misuse of a nine to one to one system.

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Speaker 1: All right, Just to be clear, now, the cops are

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supposed to be the social workers. Now do I understand

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that correctly? You want the cops to be doing the

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involuntary commitments for the crazy people. You don't want them

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to bring them to the magistrate who would be able

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to look at their criminal record and make this kind

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of judicious, well informed, sober decision to try to plug

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them into the right services. So the court system is

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not where that's supposed to happen. You want cops making

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this determination in the field right away. You want them

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doing that in all these cases. Is that what I'm hearing?

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So cops encounter some crazy homeless guy on the street,

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and you want them to just pick them up and

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bring them for an involuntary commitment without the handcuffs. I

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guess as she said there because that was also an outrage.

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So not cuffed, just bring the guy for an involuntary commitment.

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You want the cops to do that? Do you hear yourself?

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You guys wanted the cops defunded because you couldn't trust

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In other words, opposites right Democrats don't seem to understand this. Right,

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She's only trying to use Christianity against her political opponents

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to score points, to make an argument. That's it trying

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to shame them, bully them into you know, you're not

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really a Christian. It's just name calling. Marsha Morey, former

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judge out of Durham, which is I understand it is

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like the safest and most peacefulest place in North Carolina.

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So their criminal justice system has been just the paragon

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of efficiency and defectiveness my entire adult life. And she

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makes this case that somehow the cops should have taken

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de Carlos Brown Junior to an involuntary commitment before bringing

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him to a magistrate or to the court system, that

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they should have just involuntarily committed the guide themselves, which

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I find to be I don't know at odds with

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the way Democrats usually talk about law enforcement. So she

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continues here from the floor of the House yesterday during

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the debate over IRENA's law.

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Speaker 4: It is not a violent offense, and that magistrate went

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to the suggested bail guidelines and because of that charge

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gave a written promise to appear, which is common. And

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in all of your districts, or most of them, you

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have suggested bail guidelines. Oh that your magistrates follow, your

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judges follow, and you will see that is one of

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the options if there is not a victim and is

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not a felony, and they can promise to come back.

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Speaker 1: And oh wait a minute, all right, hang on a second,

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let's just let's just pick this apart a little bit

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suggested bail guidelines for each of the districts, and those

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are done at the district level. So the courts, the judges,

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the Democrat judges, they're the ones who craft the guidelines.

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I'm assuming they're the ones that give the guidelines to

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the magistrates. And according to this judge, former judge who

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used to draft the guidelines herself, she's gonna mention that

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the magistrate was simply following the guidelines and she listed

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them there. But notice what's not listed any kind of

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a look back into the defendants criminal history. So maybe

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you should make that I don't know one of the guidelines.

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I'm just spitballing here. I'm no lawyer, but it seems

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to me like, if you've got somebody who is exhibiting

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mental health problems and they've got a long rap sheet

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including violent felonies, they've served time in prison for it,

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I'm thinking that might be kind of relevant.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I understand magistrates will tell you, they're like, well, we're

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only you know, we're only supposed to do the bails.

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Our job is to make sure that they come to

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the next court appearance. So you want to okay, you

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want to deflect the blame off of this magistrate. Okay,

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then I'm blaming the judges because you've just told me

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that this problem is in the district courts. It is

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the judges that are setting the guidelines.

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Speaker 4: Guess what after his first appearance before a magistate and

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he got a promise spear, he came back. He didn't

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fail to appear to court. He came back for his

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next court dates in July and finally finally got an evaluation.

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I think in July.

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Speaker 1: He did not get that evaluation. He came back and

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his public defender said, this guy needs a mental health exam,

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and the judge Wiggins, said, yes, he needs to have

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this mental health exam. Now, imagine had they done that

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back in January when he was first arrested. But no,

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they said come back, and it took seven months, almost

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seven months for him to come back for that court appearance,

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which she points out he did come back. See, so

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the magistrate did her job. He came back to court

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for mental health. He didn't go to that. No, he

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didn't go to the mental exam, right, so the judge

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let him back out. So Again, if you want to

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say that the magistrate was just doing her job, just

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following orders, fine, then the judges who have created the

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guidelines and didn't recognize that this guy is a threat,

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is a danger to the community because of his past behavior,

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and you're not taking into account, you're not taking into

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account his mental instability, and how do you know he

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is mentally unstable? He came in on that nine to

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one one call that he made, the misusing nine to

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one one system. He came in saying that he had

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some sort of man made material implanted into his body

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that was making him say things, and it was dictating

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what he eats and how he speaks. Say he's crazy,

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that was part of Those were the facts of the case.

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It's why he was in front of you in the

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first place. He's kind of insane and he has a

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violent record. One plus one equals involuntary commitment, Like, why

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wouldn't you order it right then? And there can a

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magistrate do that? Well, if it's not in the guidelines,

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well then how about you add that to your freaking guidelines?

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How about that? Do you need legislative approval to do that?

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Speaker 5: No, you do not, apparently, But don't correlate what happened

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in Dan worry and a manager said, who set a

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bail according to guidelines to what happened in August.

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Speaker 1: There is no correlation, no correlation whatsoever. Well, no, I

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think that people are saying there's actual causation. Causation is

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what people are saying, not correlation. They're saying causation, which

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is actually directly connected because it is that's the process

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that got the guy out on the streets. He did

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come back to appear in that first core proceeding, a

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mental health devoal was ordered and then you'll let him

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back out. And a couple days later he murdered Arena Zariska.

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That's causation. Now you could say it was unforeseen. I

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don't believe that. I think that if you have somebody

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with again his record and presenting with the mental health

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issues that he presented with at the arrest that you

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are adjudicating at this very proceeding, I'm thinking mental health

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exam should have been ordered immediately. But again, if you'd

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like to kick that or over to the judges and

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say it's their fault, I'm okay with that too. Totally

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fine with that as well. In fact, I've been blaming

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all of them from the beginning, So it's kind of like, Yeah,

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if she's just following the guidelines that were written by

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the judges, then that just just it's like a balloon

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and I'm just squeezing one side of it, but there's

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still the same amount of air. Yeah, just going to give

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more evidence to the judges versus the magistrate. You know,

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the phones. Here's Ralph, Welcome to the show. Hello Ralph.

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Speaker 2: Hey, get so, the first thing that needs to happen

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is the Republican Party needs to put up candidate for

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the DA and run on tough on crap. You've got

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the Chief Justice down at mccamburg is a d advocate.

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Everybody she's placed in those positions as far as masts

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and stuff like that go from her order for walking orders.

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But you know, we need to get a candidate that's

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going to go out there and reach out to the

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young people, especially the ones that have children, and say, Okay,

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we're going to clean up CHARLT. We're going to have

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police off duty police or police on at least one

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on these trains at all time with the backup of

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these private security firms. You know, the WBT reporter that

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was I think she was with David Hodges. They did

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the one of the first reports. She said, she wrote

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it and people homeless, people are urinating on the train.

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That that is a travesty at everything when we can't

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have uh, you know, this supposed to be the world

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class city. Its supposed to be tidy town. But you know,

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my lives done anything. They would have done nothing if

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this young lady had to die, and they got all.

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Speaker 1: This national correct, Well, they didn't do anything, even for

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two weeks, right, two weeks it took, and it was

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only after the video was released and went viral. Ralph,

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I appreciate the call, Buddy good to hear from you.

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All right, Yeah, I mean that's it. They didn't do anything.

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In fact, the mayor's statement became part of that national

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outrage because she spent a single sentence saying thoughts and

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prayers to the victim, and then five paragraphs on how

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we failed the attacker. From the text line driven by

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Liberty Buick, gmc anonymous says, would the broken window theory

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support why now instead of one person in Charlotte running

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a stoplight, five people do it, and they do it

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when the light has been read before they get to

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the intersection, so before it was squeaking through and nobody

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gets a ticket. Now it's blatant and nobody gets a ticket.

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What's next? Yeah, by I mean this is part of

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you know, enforcement activity. If people are first off in

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a high trust society, fewer people break the rules because

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they believe everybody's following the rules. But when you see

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enough people not following the rules not suffering any repercussions

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for it, then which of course, the repercussions of running

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a red light is that you get into a horrific

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collision and die. But if you are not motivated by that,

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then you would be motivated by enforcement activity. And if

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there's no enforcement activity, well now there's nothing to keep

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you in the boundaries of those norms. So yes, Amy says,

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how would you define who or what we are at

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war with? If you were talking to a moderate or

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liberal who's not a Christian. I know it's truly a

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spiritual battle against evil. I agree, but I don't think

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or I don't know if that would resonate with them.

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Would you say? It's the communist or socialist ideals and

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those attempting to who spread them. So what I'd like

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to do, Amy, is to play the role of the

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inquisitive student in those types of discussions, ask them what

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do you think it is? Do you think there's something

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larger going on?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why is this happening? Why is all of this violence escalating?

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What's the reason for it? What do you think? And

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you know, they give you some answer, probably you know,

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Orange Hitler or something, and then just keep probing and

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keep asking and act like oh wow, really, Oh I

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hadn't considered that. Oh then what about this? Then? Like

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and you know, behave as if you are seeking clarity

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on what it is. What this information is, this knowledge

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that they are trying to impart upon you. And eventually

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I think you will get to them using the word

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and once they use the word now, you can't. All right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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