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the last hour, talked a little bit about the broken
windows theory, right, this idea that policing the little things matter. Okay,
it matters because in a nutshell, it means that somebody cares. Right,
you see a bunch of litter on some property and
it just stays there all the time, and then you know,
more people throw more litter. There just becomes a dumping
ground because the message is that nobody cares about this
piece of property. If you clean it up and you
keep it tidy and you take care of it, it
sends a message that somebody actually does care about this property.
And if you come to the property to try to
vandalize it or litter there, whatever, you may encounter that
person who cares. It's the same thing with media coverage
of political violence. This pass that the left has gotten
for twenty thirty years now of escalating rhetoric while pointing
to everybody else's escalating rhetoric. But it's also evident in
the criminal justice system. When you don't care to enforce
the small stuff, then people particularly criminals, anti social people,
people with antisocial personality disorders, right, they they do not
care about following whatever norms of a society exist. They're
going to break the rules. They don't care, and if
they escape punishment, then they keep ratcheting up their antisocial behavior.
And the people who otherwise would follow the norms, they
now see that the little things don't matter to the institutions,
and so they quit caring about the little things too,
and that's how you end up with a breakdown. This
is also I've talked about this for years as well,
the preference cascade. There was a sociologist who did a
bunch of studies on rioting from the sixties and seventies.
They talked about, you know, the first person to pick
up a rock and break a window, their number, if
you will, is zero. They don't need to see somebody
else break a window in order for them to go
break a window. But if my number is one, and
I see that person engage in the behavior, so now
I join in. And whoever had a number of two,
now they see me and the first person, and now
they engage, and more and more and more people's numbers
get hit, and then more and more people start breaking
the rules. If you've ever been to a Grateful Dead
show and watch people crash over the walls to get
on the field, same thing it just you can watch it.
I was a part of one, like you can you
feel it, you see it happening. The crowd builds and
builds and builds, and then preference cascade. Everybody jumps over
the wall, storms the field to get better seats or
standing room closer to the stage. You wouldn't do it
on your own because you'd probably get caught, But when
you see hundreds of people doing it at once, your
number gets checked. And that brings us to the North
Carolina House debate yesterday. I want or listen to the
entire thing.
Speaker 2: It ran.
Speaker 1: While all of the debates were hours long, this one
ran almost two hours, and it was on the passage
of House built three oh seven called IRENA's Law, and
according to the write up by the Legislative Analysis Division,
it provides a new procedure to have defendants with suspected
mental health issues to be evaluated for involuntary commitment. To
Modify the laws related to pre trial release to provide
stricter guidelines for defendants charged with violent defenses and defendants
with extensive criminal histories. Eliminates the condition to release a
defendant on a written promise to appear. Modify the laws
related to aggravated factors considering its sentencing to provide that
committing a crime in a public transit system is what's
called an aggravating factor to be considered. Modify the laws
related to oversight and discipline of magistrates. Direct the North
Carolina Collaboratory to study mental health in the justice system.
Prohibit the Task Force for Racial Equity and Criminal Justice
from being recreated because it's sunseted and so and the
General Assembly said the Governor cannot reconstitute or recreate this thing.
This was a Roy Cooper pet project after the summer
of fiery and mostly peaceful riots. Modify death penalty proceedings
to provide that appeals and post conviction motions for appropriate
relief must be heard within twenty four months of the
triggering events. And also to provide that the venue for
any proceeding related to a death penalty case must be
in the county of conviction. Modify certain procedures for involuntary
commitment of a defendant found incapable of proceeding. Extend the
terms of probation and post release supervision for youth adjudicated
of certain violent offenses, and clarify victim's right to be
notified about termination of probation or post release supervision so
they will be notified now. And also give ten new
additional full time assistant district attorneys and five full time
legal assistants for Mecklemberg. So, in introducing this measure, Representative
Tricia Coffam, who was recovering from a broken jaw, I
was not aware of that, but she introduced the bill
and she recounted the story of Arena Zarutska and how
she was murdered by a deranged monster. That's what she said,
a deranged monster. And this is apparently what got Democrats
a little hot and.
Speaker 3: Bothered, who already had fourteen previous convictions including and not
limited to, armed rawbery, felony, larceny, and the list goes
on a diagnosed schizophrenic. He was released by a magistrate
without a secured bond, and the magistrate ignored all the
very obvious red flags, including his erotic behavior just recently
before this event that the police brought forward.
Speaker 1: Right, so he was released without a secured bond, and
she says, a magistrate ignored the obvious red flicks. The
key here the question is how do you make magistrates
give a crap? Like? How do you make that im
I want to say all magistrates hashtag, not all magistrates,
but how do you force them to look back at
the person's record and understand that this guy is unwell,
mentally unwell, or as we used to say in my day, crazy,
And he's got a record of violent behavior. And while
he may have been brought in for misuse of a
nine to one one system, the elements of that arrest
indicate someone who is crazy, and so his history plus
that arrest would indicate he needs to be objected to
some sort of mental health exam. She says, this bill
is going the hope is that it ends this cycle.
This in and out, repeat, repeat cycle.
Speaker 3: He should have never been allowed out of the jail.
The catch and release practices for violent offenders will end
today with your support. This heineous act was preventable and
is a direct result of judicial officials being too soft
on crime and allowing too many criminals to have a
revolving door that come into our neighborhoods and into our communities.
These violent offenders are wreaking havoc, not just in Charlotte,
but all over our North Care, North Caare Carolina and
in everyone's district.
Speaker 1: Right, So the real outrage here is that she called
him a deranged monster, and she called the uh, the
Democrats approach here soft on crime. That's what That's what
hacked off her former Democrat colleagues, because she is now
a Republican. Right she converted to a Republican switched parties
about two years ago. They did not like, They did
not like this this narrative. And look, Democrats at the
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after spending five years touting all sorts of quote unquote
reforms in the wake of the George Floyd mostly peaceful riots, right,
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do it quickly because they know what the polling shows
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to some of the audio, we are playing some of
the audio from the North Carolina House floor debate yesterday
before passage of Arena's Law, named after Arena Zarutzka, murdered
on the Charlotte light railcar a month ago, stabbed in
the neck by a repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offender, and
Tricia Coffin, when introducing the bill for the vote, called
the attacker in this case a deranged monster. And that's
what tripped the trigger of several of the Democrats, who,
by the way, all of them voted against this measure,
just like in the Senate, they all voted against it.
And there is a member of the House, member of
the Progressive Caucus, former Judge Marsha Morey from Durham, a Democrat,
and along with her fellow Democrats, she objected to the
use of the word monster.
Speaker 4: We say a prayer in this body before we start
a session, and we pray to God and we talk
about kindness, we talk about mercy, we talk about justice.
And then we have a bill come up. And what
do we do? We call out a monster. Our president
calls this person an animal? Boy, do our Christian values
go down the tube? Within an instant.
Speaker 1: Emotional blackmail from the judge from the former judge right,
And so I guess now you don't want there to
be a separation of church and state. It's just so
difficult to keep these standard straight when you guys keep
changing them based on whatever argument you need to make
at any given moment. I'm sorry, I have difficulty keeping
up here. So now you want all of the Christians
to be governing as Christians first? Because like I hold
enough to remember when you guys have said that you
don't want that like literally on everything. No, this is
emotional blackmail. This is I'm going to use your faith
against you. I'm going to hold you to this standard
that you claim to be about you, about mercy and
this and that. Yeah, there is a difference. There is
a difference, right, Yes, you are to forgive. We went
over this yesterday. As a Christian, you forgive, But the
state is to punish. This woman is a former judge
from Durham, which really need I mean that explains everything here.
As a friend of mine pointed out, I guess she's
holding up what Durham as the example of all of
the criminal justice outcomes that we should try to emulate
statewide Durham. Really okay, So you cannot use the word
deranged monster, You can't use the word animal if you're
if you're a Christian. If you do, you're just not
a Christian. You're not acting very christian y. She then
objected to how Democrats have been blamed for this crime
and basically all crimes and Democrat controlled cities and that's
not fair even though they control they control the courts
in these cities. Okay, she called all of this political
theater and a lie that Democrats are soft on crime.
Speaker 4: We cannot judge this crime based on press conferences where
the Democrats have been blamed to be pro criminals. We're
a press conference where a Democrat governor and a North
Carolina justice are blamed for this crime. When a form
congressman demands a judge be fired and held personally liable
for a cashless bail system. None of that follows the
facts of what happened in this case.
Speaker 1: Right, So she's going to try. See this is the
difficulty that the left always has is they try to
make these kind of logical arguments when logic isn't on
their side. It's very difficult to do. So I actually
have some sympathy here. She said. Look, this attack occurred
in like seconds, in like three seconds, and probably could
not have been prevented. He was obviously going through some
sort of mental health crisis.
Speaker 4: And what did the officer do. They could have gone
to a mental health professional and got an involuntary commitment.
What did the officer do? Handcuffed and let's take him
to a magistrate. Let's book him on a criminal charge,
a misuse of a nine to one to one system.
Speaker 1: All right, Just to be clear, now, the cops are
supposed to be the social workers. Now do I understand
that correctly? You want the cops to be doing the
involuntary commitments for the crazy people. You don't want them
to bring them to the magistrate who would be able
to look at their criminal record and make this kind
of judicious, well informed, sober decision to try to plug
them into the right services. So the court system is
not where that's supposed to happen. You want cops making
this determination in the field right away. You want them
doing that in all these cases. Is that what I'm hearing?
So cops encounter some crazy homeless guy on the street,
and you want them to just pick them up and
bring them for an involuntary commitment without the handcuffs. I
guess as she said there because that was also an outrage.
So not cuffed, just bring the guy for an involuntary commitment.
You want the cops to do that? Do you hear yourself?
You guys wanted the cops defunded because you couldn't trust
them because they're all systemically racist. Yeah, this is These
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In other words, opposites right Democrats don't seem to understand this. Right,
She's only trying to use Christianity against her political opponents
to score points, to make an argument. That's it trying
to shame them, bully them into you know, you're not
really a Christian. It's just name calling. Marsha Morey, former
judge out of Durham, which is I understand it is
like the safest and most peacefulest place in North Carolina.
So their criminal justice system has been just the paragon
of efficiency and defectiveness my entire adult life. And she
makes this case that somehow the cops should have taken
de Carlos Brown Junior to an involuntary commitment before bringing
him to a magistrate or to the court system, that
they should have just involuntarily committed the guide themselves, which
I find to be I don't know at odds with
the way Democrats usually talk about law enforcement. So she
continues here from the floor of the House yesterday during
the debate over IRENA's law.
Speaker 4: It is not a violent offense, and that magistrate went
to the suggested bail guidelines and because of that charge
gave a written promise to appear, which is common. And
in all of your districts, or most of them, you
have suggested bail guidelines. Oh that your magistrates follow, your
judges follow, and you will see that is one of
the options if there is not a victim and is
not a felony, and they can promise to come back.
Speaker 1: And oh wait a minute, all right, hang on a second,
let's just let's just pick this apart a little bit
suggested bail guidelines for each of the districts, and those
are done at the district level. So the courts, the judges,
the Democrat judges, they're the ones who craft the guidelines.
I'm assuming they're the ones that give the guidelines to
the magistrates. And according to this judge, former judge who
used to draft the guidelines herself, she's gonna mention that
the magistrate was simply following the guidelines and she listed
them there. But notice what's not listed any kind of
a look back into the defendants criminal history. So maybe
you should make that I don't know one of the guidelines.
I'm just spitballing here. I'm no lawyer, but it seems
to me like, if you've got somebody who is exhibiting
mental health problems and they've got a long rap sheet
including violent felonies, they've served time in prison for it,
I'm thinking that might be kind of relevant.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I understand magistrates will tell you, they're like, well, we're
only you know, we're only supposed to do the bails.
Our job is to make sure that they come to
the next court appearance. So you want to okay, you
want to deflect the blame off of this magistrate. Okay,
then I'm blaming the judges because you've just told me
that this problem is in the district courts. It is
the judges that are setting the guidelines.
Speaker 4: Guess what after his first appearance before a magistate and
he got a promise spear, he came back. He didn't
fail to appear to court. He came back for his
next court dates in July and finally finally got an evaluation.
I think in July.
Speaker 1: He did not get that evaluation. He came back and
his public defender said, this guy needs a mental health exam,
and the judge Wiggins, said, yes, he needs to have
this mental health exam. Now, imagine had they done that
back in January when he was first arrested. But no,
they said come back, and it took seven months, almost
seven months for him to come back for that court appearance,
which she points out he did come back. See, so
the magistrate did her job. He came back to court
for mental health. He didn't go to that. No, he
didn't go to the mental exam, right, so the judge
let him back out. So Again, if you want to
say that the magistrate was just doing her job, just
following orders, fine, then the judges who have created the
guidelines and didn't recognize that this guy is a threat,
is a danger to the community because of his past behavior,
and you're not taking into account, you're not taking into
account his mental instability, and how do you know he
is mentally unstable? He came in on that nine to
one one call that he made, the misusing nine to
one one system. He came in saying that he had
some sort of man made material implanted into his body
that was making him say things, and it was dictating
what he eats and how he speaks. Say he's crazy,
that was part of Those were the facts of the case.
It's why he was in front of you in the
first place. He's kind of insane and he has a
violent record. One plus one equals involuntary commitment, Like, why
wouldn't you order it right then? And there can a
magistrate do that? Well, if it's not in the guidelines,
well then how about you add that to your freaking guidelines?
How about that? Do you need legislative approval to do that?
Speaker 5: No, you do not, apparently, But don't correlate what happened
in Dan worry and a manager said, who set a
bail according to guidelines to what happened in August.
Speaker 1: There is no correlation, no correlation whatsoever. Well, no, I
think that people are saying there's actual causation. Causation is
what people are saying, not correlation. They're saying causation, which
is actually directly connected because it is that's the process
that got the guy out on the streets. He did
come back to appear in that first core proceeding, a
mental health devoal was ordered and then you'll let him
back out. And a couple days later he murdered Arena Zariska.
That's causation. Now you could say it was unforeseen. I
don't believe that. I think that if you have somebody
with again his record and presenting with the mental health
issues that he presented with at the arrest that you
are adjudicating at this very proceeding, I'm thinking mental health
exam should have been ordered immediately. But again, if you'd
like to kick that or over to the judges and
say it's their fault, I'm okay with that too. Totally
fine with that as well. In fact, I've been blaming
all of them from the beginning, So it's kind of like, Yeah,
if she's just following the guidelines that were written by
the judges, then that just just it's like a balloon
and I'm just squeezing one side of it, but there's
still the same amount of air. Yeah, just going to give
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the phones. Here's Ralph, Welcome to the show. Hello Ralph.
Speaker 2: Hey, get so, the first thing that needs to happen
is the Republican Party needs to put up candidate for
the DA and run on tough on crap. You've got
the Chief Justice down at mccamburg is a d advocate.
Everybody she's placed in those positions as far as masts
and stuff like that go from her order for walking orders.
But you know, we need to get a candidate that's
going to go out there and reach out to the
young people, especially the ones that have children, and say, Okay,
we're going to clean up CHARLT. We're going to have
police off duty police or police on at least one
on these trains at all time with the backup of
these private security firms. You know, the WBT reporter that
was I think she was with David Hodges. They did
the one of the first reports. She said, she wrote
it and people homeless, people are urinating on the train.
That that is a travesty at everything when we can't
have uh, you know, this supposed to be the world
class city. Its supposed to be tidy town. But you know,
my lives done anything. They would have done nothing if
this young lady had to die, and they got all.
Speaker 1: This national correct, Well, they didn't do anything, even for
two weeks, right, two weeks it took, and it was
only after the video was released and went viral. Ralph,
I appreciate the call, Buddy good to hear from you.
All right, Yeah, I mean that's it. They didn't do anything.
In fact, the mayor's statement became part of that national
outrage because she spent a single sentence saying thoughts and
prayers to the victim, and then five paragraphs on how
we failed the attacker. From the text line driven by
Liberty Buick, gmc anonymous says, would the broken window theory
support why now instead of one person in Charlotte running
a stoplight, five people do it, and they do it
when the light has been read before they get to
the intersection, so before it was squeaking through and nobody
gets a ticket. Now it's blatant and nobody gets a ticket.
What's next? Yeah, by I mean this is part of
you know, enforcement activity. If people are first off in
a high trust society, fewer people break the rules because
they believe everybody's following the rules. But when you see
enough people not following the rules not suffering any repercussions
for it, then which of course, the repercussions of running
a red light is that you get into a horrific
collision and die. But if you are not motivated by that,
then you would be motivated by enforcement activity. And if
there's no enforcement activity, well now there's nothing to keep
you in the boundaries of those norms. So yes, Amy says,
how would you define who or what we are at
war with? If you were talking to a moderate or
liberal who's not a Christian. I know it's truly a
spiritual battle against evil. I agree, but I don't think
or I don't know if that would resonate with them.
Would you say? It's the communist or socialist ideals and
those attempting to who spread them. So what I'd like
to do, Amy, is to play the role of the
inquisitive student in those types of discussions, ask them what
do you think it is? Do you think there's something
larger going on?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why is this happening? Why is all of this violence escalating?
What's the reason for it? What do you think? And
you know, they give you some answer, probably you know,
Orange Hitler or something, and then just keep probing and
keep asking and act like oh wow, really, Oh I
hadn't considered that. Oh then what about this? Then? Like
and you know, behave as if you are seeking clarity
on what it is. What this information is, this knowledge
that they are trying to impart upon you. And eventually
I think you will get to them using the word
and once they use the word now, you can't. All right,
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