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Speaker 1: Do you want to get right?

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast,

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discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties

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and nineties pop culture with your co hosts and James D.

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Graves and Jason Colbn.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason, step inside, walk this way, you and me, babe.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, welcome back everybody. We are so glad you're

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joining us again. This is part two of our Death

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Leopard episodes. We are super excited to talk to you

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today about Hysteria. If you haven't heard our last episode,

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that was the one where recovered Pyromania. And then when

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we're done with those two albums, we'll give you our

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final judgment on which we think.

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Speaker 1: Is the best of def Leppard. I'm freaking stoked to

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talk about Hysteria.

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Speaker 3: This album brings back far more memories for me than

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Pyromania did. Pyromani came out, I was still pretty young,

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really more listening to Michael Jackson. When Hysteria came out.

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I was middle school, moving into high school as those

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singles were being released, And yeah, I have lots of

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memories associated with.

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Speaker 1: The Really unique thing for me about this album is

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when you're fourteen years old and an album stays prominent

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for two whole years. Yeah, it covers a lot of

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your life. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really does. Yeah.

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So we'll get more. We'll get more into that as

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we go, but let's dive into the history of the

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making of Hysteria before we talk about the songs. Okay,

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sounds good. Okay. So after Pyromania, and after they had

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gone from eight hundred at the beginning to Jack Murphy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, massive success, opening for Billy Squire and people would

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leave after their opening set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to becoming a headline prominent eighties band with this

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pop metal masterpiece Pyromania. Yeah. So they are going back

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in the studio now to make a follow up to Pyramania,

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and they expect to make it really in a couple

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of years, maybe a year or two. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, it had taken them longer to record Pyromania than

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it had any other album that they had done up

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until that point. But you know, when they had so

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much success with Pyromania, they're thinking, Okay, we're willing to

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put in the time. We're willing to be abused by

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Mutt Lang, right, because this, I mean, the success of

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this one has been incredible. And so they had one

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or two songs that they started off with that they

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put a few demo tapes together for and then things

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started to get bad.

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Speaker 1: So they go back to the studio on February of

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eighty four. They actually moved to Dublin. They're leaving England

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for tax reasons, right, And they go to Dublin in

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February of eighty four to start work on the follow

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up album. Yeah, but the big problem at this time

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is that Mutt Ling is unavailable, right. I mean, this

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guy is their mentor. He's the guy who we talked

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about built the album Brick by Brick, and he's out. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When you get an album that sold six million copies

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as much heck as you went through with the guy,

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you can go, well, he knows how to put together

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an album.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to do this again, all right.

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So with Mutt laying out, and they go to this

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list of possible producers, Yeah, and one of the guys

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they actually look at is Phil Collins of Genesis, the

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singer Phil Collins. Yeah, that's right, So studio does he

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produce album I don't know that he's ever produced an album. Okay,

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all right, well that's an interesting choice. They didn't go

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with him though they didn't, but yeah, his pop sensibility

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is I don't know. I mean, I can see that,

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but they settled on Jim Steinman. Okay. So Jim Steinmond

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was the songwriter for that out of.

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Speaker 3: Hell right, so he's a songwriter but not a record producer.

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they went through before when we looked at the way

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that Mutt Lang puts the record together. He is the

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sixth member of the band, and to take somebody who

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basically doesn't know how to play the instrument that's in

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do some songwriting sessions with the guys, so he did

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start the process with them, but he bows out due

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to exhaustion. Jim Steamon steps in and how did that

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during the recording sessions that they would work on. I

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is a song on the Backside of Hysteria that Jim

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Simon said, all right, guys, go for it. They played

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a little bit and Jim Steimon was like, yep, sounds great,

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and Steve Clark was like, dude, we haven't even warmed

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up yet, which is the exact opposite of lang. Right. Yeah, right,

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really in Back in the Future. They were down the road,

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and we gotta change, right, So they cut him loose.

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And then on New Year's Eve of nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: Right following behind an Alfa Romeo driving with his girlfriend

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at the time. The Alfa Romeo is going slowly yes,

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and so he tries to pass. When he tries to pass,

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the Alpha Romeo speeds up, and so he has to

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back off because they're curves coming ahead, and it goes

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on like this. He gets behind the Alpha Romeo, it

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slows down, he tries to pass, it speeds.

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Speaker 1: Up, and when he decides to finally hit the gas.

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That's it, I'm leaving this guy behind. Uh huh. There's

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a big swerve and before he can do anything, he

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crashes into a brick wall, flips his car upside down,

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and he tears his arm off. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the seatbelt is the thing that probably took his

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arm off because he was not wearing it properly. This

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is a tragedy, but he is so blessed to have

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been where he was when the accident occurred, because it

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turned out there's a nurse who lives right there next

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to where the accident occurs. She goes out to see

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what's wrong, and then a police officer who is her

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neighbor puts his head over the wall to see what's

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going on, and Rick Allen is standing up still conscious.

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why he didn't bleed out because he was so tense.

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All he can say is I'm a famous drummer and

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I've lost my arm.

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Speaker 1: What a crazy nightmare scenario. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The police officer ended up having to go find the

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arm up under the dash of the car, and so

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they pack it. They rush him and his girlfriend over

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to the hospital, but they make the decision to reattach

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the arm. It Actually they think it went pretty well.

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The surgery went well, but takes up. They thought it

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was going to revive.

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Speaker 1: After like a week, it started to become infected and

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that infection was actually going to threaten him.

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Speaker 3: Can you can you imagine that heartbreak of number one,

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makes me millions of dollars and I've just lost with them.

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it and everything looks like it's going to be okay,

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and then you've taken it away from me again.

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Speaker 1: It's utterly heartbreak. Every second of that week, you've got

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to be thinking, okay, I think it's working. Yeah, I'm

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on back arm.

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Speaker 3: And then after that, after they had to take that

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arm off, they said, you know, the other thing is

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that there's an infection and if it spreads to your

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other arm, you're going.

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Speaker 1: To live that one too. I mean, it was serious.

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I just can't imagine. So the band is distraught for him.

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his life. Disinfection, the losing the arm, and they had

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to worry about him living. Then they had to worry

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about what are we going to do? What are we

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going to do?

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Speaker 3: I love to listen to these guys talk because it

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was never even a thought in their mind that they

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would say, you know, we got to find somebody else.

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It was Rick, what do you think? And Rick said,

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I'm going to make this work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, And what a tribute to him. They

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went and visited him like three weeks after this, after

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they had taken his arm back off. Yeah, and he's

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sitting there playing with one arm and pillows. They walk

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in and he's like, guys, I think I can do this.

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I just need to play the other thing with my feet.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is a guy who had been

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playing drums since he was a little kid. And then,

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as we talked about in our last episode, he's the

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youngest member of the band, and he goes from hey,

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we're in this garage band to hey, we're doing world

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tours by the time he's seventeen or eighteen years old. Yeah,

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it's incredible drumming his whole life, he said. At this point,

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he's like, Okay, this is a wake up call. This

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is a new challenge. For me, I'm going to take

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this and I'm going to use it as motivation to

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become an even.

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Speaker 1: Better drummer than I was before. So the band leaves

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him to recover and they get back in the studio

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and they start. By this time, Mutt Lange had finished

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Speaker 3: He had been involved as in a car accident as well,

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but ultimately he healed up.

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Speaker 1: So Mutt Lang decides, guess what, guys, I'm back back

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in and there was much rejoicing. That's right, I'm back

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and now I'm going to beat you guys to death

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to get an even better album out of you. Right,

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And it was that process, but they need what to

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expect at this point. That's right now. They literally worked

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from February of nineteen eighty four, I mean, if you

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want to be technical, through like February of eighty seven,

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three years. But during the process, during all this craziness,

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Rick Allen made the comment that between Mutt Lang and

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the concerts and the music and the album and my

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crash and all this, that we fired this guy. This

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is crazy. This is like hysteria. And they thought that's it.

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That's the name of the album, so we can talk

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specifically as we go through the songs, but we've talked

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in the previous episode that this is built brick by brick.

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Speaker 3: So even if you don't play guitar, you can easily

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imagine the pick goes string by string. Even though it's

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going fast, it still has to just hit one string

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at a time, and so there's a sound of succession.

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Speaker 1: What Mutt Lange did was to take out.

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Speaker 3: That sound of succession, and the guitar is all of

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the strings at the same time, almost as if you

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were you're beating them with a drumstick, except it's the

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sound of a plucked string, all of them plucked at

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Speaker 1: That's why it gives it that unique sound. Yeah, a

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very unique sound. Okay. So when they were working on

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these songs, yeah, and Mutt Lang is beating them to

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death in the studio and they're talking about songs, they're

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writing songs, yeah, and they sit down for a meeting,

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Mutlang says, all right, guys, here's our goal. Yeah, we

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want a pop metal album that is Thriller.

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Speaker 3: Which means what it means, every song on this album

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could be a single. Do you think they accomplished it.

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Speaker 1: I do think they accomplished They.

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Speaker 3: Certainly accomplished it for the A side, There's no question

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about that, because every single one of them was a

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successful son.

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Speaker 1: I would say ten of twelve. Wow, I mean, what

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a lofty goal. We've talked to you and I have

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talked at length about Thriller and Bad. It has been.

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Speaker 3: Really exciting to go through the albums that we're going through.

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I didn't appreciate as much. I did appreciate, but I

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appreciate it as much. How much the producer is a

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part of the sound of the band. With Michael Jackson,

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Sammy Hag Yeah. So with this we've got Mutt Lang

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the producer and the production is a huge part of

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all popular music from.

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Speaker 1: As far back to the Beats, all right, So their

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goal is thriller and they want to make every single

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a releasable song, right, So let's go through the list

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and find out what we think about these songs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the first song on the album and the first

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single that they actually released in the United States and

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only in the United States, it was a song called

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Women Love It. Women was released in July of eighty seven.

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They hoped that the hard rock sound would reconnect with

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their rock audience, particularly because they know that they had

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some softer songs to come, like hysterian love bites. So

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the Women single was released in July of eighty seven.

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I actually remember when the video came out. I was

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super excited because I had that history with Pyromania, right,

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Speaker 3: It didn't do as well, No, as awesome as a

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video is, it's still the news. Well, and let me

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just say, as far as the hysteria videos are concerned, well,

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they certainly made up.

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Speaker 1: They got better.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, videos were so bad and these not

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all these were great, but they were certainly a sight

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better than the other ones.

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Speaker 1: So it goes to number eighty on the Hot one hundred. Yeah,

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doesn't even crack the top fifty on the Top Rock charts.

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It gets to number seven, but really it was kind

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of disappointment. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So interestingly, the B side of this one, which was

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a song that wasn't on Hysteri Area, actually did really well.

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Speaker 1: It's a song called Tear It Down.

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Speaker 3: So we'll take a listen to that report.

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Speaker 1: That's a kick by song. That song is awesome.

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Speaker 3: So they ended up it got radio play, and they

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ended up performing that on the MTV Music Awards in

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eighty nine, and then later they re recorded it for Adrenalized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me take you back to a time

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when we didn't have Spotify or the Internet. Okay, some

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people will not remember this time, but for me as

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our listeners will remember this time. Yeah, that's right. I

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help you will.

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Speaker 3: And if you are one of the select few of

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seventeen and a hundred guys who are listening, this is historical.

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Speaker 1: There was a time where music was much harder to

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come by, that's right, and we're glad to have you. Yeah,

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but during this time, so for me, I didn't buy

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I had the cassette tape first Area. Yeah, right, but

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this is a time early on in CDs, right would

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release the CD with the B side of tear It Down,

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So Women released the United States had the other track

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was tear it Down. Right. Flash forward to April of

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eighty nine. Yeah, it gets radio play. Tear it Down

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is like a hit. Yeah. I can't get my hands

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on it all right because two years prior that CD

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single is long gone. Yeah, And I can't spotify it,

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I can't internet it. I got to wait for the

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radio to play it.

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Speaker 3: Right, which I'm sure that most of our listeners have

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a memory pretty clearly of sitting by the radio with

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with a Maxell cassette tape plugged in, just hoping against

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hope that the DJ didn't.

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Speaker 1: Talk over the introduction to the song you wanted to record.

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That's right, that's right. But yeah, tear it Down kind

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of a timely thing about the Berlin Wall relatively. Yeah,

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I mean, there's songs are not real. No, they're not politically,

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they're not political, which I appreciate. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then so on this video the video, the boy

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is reading a comic book and it is def Leppard

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and the Women.

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Speaker 1: Of Doom is the name of the comic book.

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Speaker 3: And you have a superhero who rides around on a

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sort of space skateboard kind of thing that looks very

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much like Joe Elliott, and he ends up on the

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planet Doom where they're making robotic women. And this kid's

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reading this outside of the warehouse where the band is

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inside performing the song and they've robotic women when they're instructed.

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Their instructions are worship our masters every need this anagram

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being women.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even guess that have our masters every need.

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It's kind of like step fo wise there in the video.

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Other than the drawn comics. Yeah, there's not a single

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woman in the video.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is the first video that they did after Rick

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Allen had had his arm amputated.

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Speaker 1: It's a great song. Oh yeah, it's a great song

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and it's a staple of they're live. I mean I've

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seen them live times and they play this all the time.

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Speaker 3: And just to touch on their live shows, you know,

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they did a in the round concert tour.

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Speaker 1: With this album. And there are a few things to

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keep in mind here. Well.

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Speaker 3: The first one, what was going on underneath the stage

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was described by one photographer as sodom and gomorrah or

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there were sixty women with no clothes on whatsoever. And

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so as the band performed, they would need breaks, and

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so a couple of guys would stay on stage.

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Speaker 1: And it was Joe Elliott and Rick Allen. So Rick

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Allen's playing the drums and Joe Elliott is kind of

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thunder god, you know, let's hear it for Rick Allen. Yeah,

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Phil and Steve and Saver under the stage. Yeah, good doing.

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Who knows what, And we won't go into the family show.

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I'm sure they were just having coffee.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when they started that tour, Rick Allen

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wasn't as confident in his ability to play, and so

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they had a guy named Jeff Rich come in and.

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Speaker 1: Be there, their drummer that was there to kind of

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fill in.

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Speaker 3: And then a few shows in it was like pre

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shows to this tour that they're about to go in,

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jeff Rich's plane ends up getting delayed.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't show up to the.

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Speaker 3: Concert on time, and so Rick Allen's just got to

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do it. And Jeff Rich comes in kind of sheepishly

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toward the middle of the concert and kind of fades

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back into the back, and when the concert is done,

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he says, well, it was nice knowing you guys. But

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I think, Rick, you don't need me.

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Speaker 1: That's such a cool story. Yeah, when he came out.

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Speaker 3: When Rick came out on stage that first time after

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the amputation, there were fifty thousand people chanting his name.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. It's it's beautiful, all right. So the

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second track on the album is Rocket. This was released

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in January of eighty nine. This was their last singles.

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The last video was Steve Clark. Yes, it's actually filmed

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in the same warehouse that Women was filming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's to me it sounds a lot like Women.

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They have a very similar sound to him. These two songs.

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They did a thing on this called backmasking, where they

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would record things backwards. It wasn't the weird stuff that

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you heard about with led Zeppelin decades before.

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Speaker 1: It was just the kill yourself now stop it.

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Speaker 3: They would record things like we're fighting with the Gods

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of War, which is one of the lines from Gods

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of War.

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Speaker 1: Record that one backwards. Okay, wait, that is such a

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cool little nugget. We really had to play that because

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the beginning part of Rocket, I'm listening to it going on,

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it's weird. You can't verbalize it. Yep. And then when

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I hear, oh my gosh, that's we're fighting for the

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gods of war backwards. Yes, in the middle of it.

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They're making these songs, these sounds. This is a sampling

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of love Bites.

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Speaker 3: Now the coolest part of this thing is the drums.

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Listen to it right here, you gether. So this actually

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came from a song called Barundi Black, and we'll play

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a snippet of that for you right here. So the

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sound of those drums is unmistakable as the same drums

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that are in Rocket. So what happened was Joe Elliott

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heard that song, he heard the Barundi Black, and he's like, Okay,

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I think I can do something with this. And they

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took that, just that drum piece and then built the

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song off of that.

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Speaker 1: It's really cool.

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Speaker 3: And then it was just supposed to be those drums

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and him singing Rocket over and over again. And then

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decided just at some point he threw in Satellite of Love. Well,

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Satellite of Love is an old lou Reed song and

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it was kind of on, you know, Joe Elliott's list

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of awesome songs, and so they thought, why don't we

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do a whole song that are awesome influences that have

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influenced this musically over the years.

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Speaker 1: Part of the songs mentioned so here, I'll just give

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you some of the lyrics. Right. They say Jack Flash

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rocket Man, Sergeant Pepper and the Band, Ziggy, Bennie and

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the Jets. So Jumpy Jack flash Rocketman by Elton John,

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Sergeant Pepper by the Beatles, Benny and the Jets by

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Elton John, and Ziggy started Us by David Bowie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there would think three different David Bowie songs because

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they also said something about.

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Speaker 1: They say Major Tom yep, they say Johnny b Jeene

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Genie Killer Queen by Queen Major Tom, Johnny be is

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Johnny be Good Flashback to Our Raiders back in the

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Future episode. Okay, so this is early on in CD time, right,

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Like I mentioned, I had this on tape, on cassette

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tape and it's one of the very one of the

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about five tapes that I played it so much it broke.

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But you could buy CD singles. But as you acquired

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these CD singles, it actually you laid it down on

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the floor and it made a huge picture of hysteria. Yeah,

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the album pover and for a kid like me at fourteen,

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it was like collecting baseball cards, Like I wanted to

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buy the CD singles, so I'd have this thing lay

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down on my floor. Yeah, that's awesome, all right. So

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this brings us to the third track on the album,

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which is Animal.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: The demo on.

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Speaker 3: This one was recorded before Rick Allen had his car accident.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the oldest songs on Hysteria, so

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having a track where rig Allen plays with both arms

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is kind of a neat thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then they just never felt like it was right

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during the recording process.

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Speaker 1: Is this took some three years to perfect this song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had recorded all of the instruments, the drums,

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the vocals, and as two and a half years down

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the line, they're like, you know what this this is

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already kind of getting old to us, and they're thinking,

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we don't want something that we want something it's going

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to be timeless, not something that we're going to be

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tired of before it's even released, and so they stripped

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it of everything except for the vocals.

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Speaker 1: And Rick Allen thoms.

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Speaker 3: The video on this one, if you're trying to remember

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all of your deaf Leopard videos, is the one where

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they're at the circus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the guy throws knives in Joe Elliott. Then Yes,

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it was during.

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Speaker 3: This particular video that has sudden suddenly occurred to me

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how often Steve Clark holds his guitar up in.

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Speaker 1: The air whenever the camera's I mean, God rest his soul.

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Speaker 3: He I kind of look back at some of the

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other videos, like every time the camera goes on to

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Steve Clark, He's like, hey, look.

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Speaker 1: At my cane. Hey aw, I like, how to hold

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it really low or really high? This was their first

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hit in England. Yeah, it was the first time they

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cracked the top ten for anything in England. And just

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to mention, Jim Steamond's version of this had a sweeping orchestra. Okay,

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i'd be interesting. I don't know what whatever the course

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it took to get the song to where it is today. Yeah,

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I like it a lot to where it is today.

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So I'm not sure I want to hear the orchestra

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version of this song. I'd listen to that. This is

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the song that caused me to buy the tape by

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the whole album. Yeah, okay, so when Women came out

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I saw the video, I'm like, all right, Deth Leverer's

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back at it about time. Yeah, you know. But when

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I heard Animal, I was like, take me to the

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record store right now, right.

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Speaker 3: So the next song that's on the album is Love Bites.

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This one is a definitive power about.

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00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: With now when you make it. This is their first

473
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,799
number one hit, by the way, yeah, reached the number

474
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,400
one spot on the Top one hundred. Right.

475
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: So I can remember school dances, slow dance under this song,

476
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,400
heart pounding, wondering what's gonna happen?

477
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: Nothing ever, nothing ever happened this one.

478
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,519
Speaker 3: Interestingly, this is kind of crazy. This one was supposed

479
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:34,519
to be like a country style song.

480
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: By munt Lang.

481
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,599
Speaker 3: I mean it was a I cannot imagine what that

482
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,559
could have sounded like.

483
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: I cotten to hear this as a country song sometimes.

484
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,799
Well okay, let's see, we'll see if I can find.

485
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,039
Speaker 2: That for you.

486
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. This is the only track on Hysteria

487
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,720
that has keyboards. According to this song love Bites, ye

488
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:59,039
bleeds brings me to my knees, lives, dies, begs, bleeds

489
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,799
of stuff. Here's a quick story for Love Bites. You

490
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,039
ready for this? All right? So, like I said, I

491
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,160
had this tape, I played it all the time, had

492
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,880
it with me all the time. I bring it in

493
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,039
the car, but can you play this one that? No,

494
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,799
you can't play it in the car. But at my house,

495
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,920
my parents were very cognizant of what I was listening to. Okay,

496
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,839
so Molly Crue not in this house, mister, not in

497
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,240
the house. Oh yeah yeah. But so I had this

498
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:32,640
tape and my dad was like, all right, let me

499
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,519
check this tape out right, And he looks at it,

500
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:36,839
and he's looking at and he's reading through it. Okay, women,

501
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,160
all right, rocket animal, okay, whatever, Wait a minute, what

502
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:51,240
exactly are love bites? Oh? That's funny. Yeah, I love you, dad,

503
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Thank you. They like bun buns? Would you like to

504
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:07,960
try some up for love bites? This song actually has

505
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,519
a little bit of controversy to it. I don't know

506
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:13,279
if you're you remember this, but at the very very

507
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,160
end of the song you can hear just a little

508
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,200
bit of just barely voices right right right, Okay, So

509
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:25,680
people thought that it said Jesus of Nazareth go to hell.

510
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,640
What Yeah, at the very end, actually that's mut Lang saying,

511
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,640
yes it does bloody hell, but it's really quiet. Yes,

512
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,519
it does bloody hell. All right, that wraps love bites. Right,

513
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,079
this brings us to.

514
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: My gosh, yeah.

515
00:27:51,279 --> 00:28:05,319
Speaker 1: You talk about blowing your frigging mind. So here's my

516
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,680
story on this song. Come on.

517
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,599
Speaker 3: So I'm in eighth grade and I'm the king of

518
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:13,319
the middle school, right, Me and my buddies are the

519
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,240
king of the middle middle school because we're in eighth

520
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,039
grade and we're the oldest ones there, and we're like,

521
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,400
you know.

522
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,039
Speaker 1: What, We're gonna go to a high school dance.

523
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: And so we decided we're gonna go high school dance,

524
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,519
firs high school dance I've ever been to.

525
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: And I go in. I'm like, oh my gosh, this

526
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,160
is crazy awesome. I don't want to know, and I'm

527
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,160
nervous and all of this.

528
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,799
Speaker 3: And if anybody remembers your first dance, especially if you're

529
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:33,880
a guy, you're like, do a dance?

530
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,599
Speaker 1: Do not dance?

531
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,599
Speaker 3: Do I just sit here and act cool? What am

532
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
I supposed to do? And then yeah, girls are begging

533
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,440
you to dance, and you're just like, oh, okay, finally

534
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000
you go out there and dance, and you look like

535
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,079
a white kid dancing, a puberty ridden white kid dancing.

536
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,839
But hey, it's okay, you're having fun, and I can

537
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440
remember it the first dance into the dance and the

538
00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:00,160
DJ says, all right, everybody, here is the song you've

539
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,039
all been waiting all night for. And they start cranking

540
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,519
pour some Sugar on me, and the room erupts.

541
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:21,599
Speaker 1: In the name, and I was like, this is amazing.

542
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: I've never heard this song before, but I'm gonna go

543
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,039
find it right after this is done. I've got to

544
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,079
go find this because this song is in prodible.

545
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: It was incredible. So let's let's dive into it. Because

546
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,960
before we talk about the videos. Yeah, not the video,

547
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:43,119
the videos, yeah plural. Yeah, let's talk about the song.

548
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:46,000
This song is when the album actually.

549
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: Took off, right, So they had you know, they had

550
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,759
a good had good sales with Pyromania. They spent five

551
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,079
million dollars recording this album.

552
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: They sold three million copies with Hysteria, which was pretty good.

553
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, we just sold three million albums. Yeah, yeah,

554
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,559
that's awesome success. Except we haven't made back the money

555
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,200
that we spent make my album, which is kind of

556
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,000
a big deal.

557
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: For the record companies.

558
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:14,759
Speaker 3: Until Poorts Some Sugar comes out and everyone goes crazy.

559
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,759
Speaker 1: I heard a record executive say that they moved four

560
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,160
hundred and fifty thousand units on one day because of

561
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,799
the success supports some sug drummy. Yeah, that's almost going

562
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,960
gold in one day. That's amazing. So he said he

563
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,000
had never seen a song be that powerful. If you

564
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,920
listen to it, it's it's kind of like a rap Yeah,

565
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
I mean. Joelie talks about how this is modeled after

566
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:38,920
Walk This Way.

567
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 3: They were not really sure how rap and rock and

568
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,440
roll would go together, and then run DMC and Aerosmith

569
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,039
came out with a rendition of Aerosmith's old seventies song

570
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,599
Walk This Way, and they go, well, I guess it

571
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:53,079
can be done.

572
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:57,279
Speaker 1: Let's do it. But this is really interesting. First of all,

573
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:05,880
before we even get into that Sugar, there is a

574
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,400
song I believe from the sixties called Sugar Sugar by

575
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,000
the Archies. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna blow your mind on

576
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,759
this here, ready for this.

577
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: Everybody will recognize the enter to this song, but what

578
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,640
you may not remember is the end.

579
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: Of this song. It is freaking unbelievable. I just found

580
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,640
this out this week after living with this album for

581
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,119
thirty years. So Joe Elliott, this is his first record

582
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,799
that he actually bought Sugar Sugar by the Archies.

583
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,799
Speaker 3: So this song they actually they didn't have this song

584
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,839
for most of the recording process.

585
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 1: They were toward the.

586
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,079
Speaker 3: End of the album and Mutt Lang is walking by

587
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440
and he hears Joe Elliott playing a riff on the

588
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,039
guitar and.

589
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,519
Speaker 1: He says, that's good. What is that? And so they

590
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,119
take it and they play with it. It's incredible, it's incredible.

591
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,759
They were on a coffee break when he was fiddling

592
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,880
around with this. This is in January of eighty seven. Okay,

593
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,440
they are wrapping up Armageddnett, which was the last song

594
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,559
on the album. Yeah, Mutt Lange felt like the album

595
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,960
is great, Yeah, but we're really we really need that

596
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,559
signature song that we don't have yet, right, and they

597
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920
the record company is impatient. This is taken three years.

598
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,559
What the heck get this album out right?

599
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: And so here's Joe Elliott playing this and he's like,

600
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,440
who this could be it? This could be the one.

601
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,240
And so the way that they get the lyrics to

602
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:42,960
this is this is funny as it can be. You've

603
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,440
got the sound, and so how do we get the lyrics? Well,

604
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,759
Mutt Lang and Joe Elliott go to opposite sides of

605
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,319
the room and they have a little dictaphone and they

606
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,559
listen to their recording of the riff and they just

607
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,359
do this kind of stream of consciousness. Here are the

608
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,839
lyrics that just pour out as I'm thinking of them.

609
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,319
And then they trade dictaphones and they listen in and

610
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,119
they try to figure out what the other guy was saying,

611
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,680
and at some point Joe Elliott hears the words love

612
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,160
is like a bomb. Whether that's what Mutt Lang said

613
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,880
or not, that's what Joe Elliott heard, and that was

614
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,079
what they built the entire so.

615
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: A freaking incredible story.

616
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: This was ranked number one on MTV Top three hundred

617
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,680
Videos of All Time in May of ninety one. In

618
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,039
two thousand and six, it ranked number two on VH

619
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,599
one's Greatest Songs from the Eighties. Number one was living

620
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000
on a Prayer Before you move on to that yeah

621
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,319
number VH one ranked this as the number two song

622
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:43,000
from the eighties.

623
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Yes, it only reached number two on the Hot one

624
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
hundred chart. The number one song that week, hold On

625
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:56,119
to the Nights by Richard Mars, just went up. There's

626
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,599
no way that song is better than fort trigger.

627
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,079
Speaker 3: On me right when they do the video for this song.

628
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:03,440
There's two versions.

629
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,839
Speaker 1: There's two versions. One is spectacular and one is terrible.

630
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,960
One is god off, Oh my gosh. It's not as

631
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,760
bad as the Pyromanium videos. It's worse.

632
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: It's way worse, because at least the Pyromania videos were

633
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:17,960
weird and interesting.

634
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: This is just bad. Got we gotta post this video

635
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,000
on our Facebook page. Yeah, we'll do that. If this

636
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
video is the v hippo for this song, this song

637
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:27,400
does not do as well.

638
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: No, it may still do great, but nothing compared to

639
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,480
what it did do.

640
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: It took a great song made a looking dorky.

641
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you don't know the original video to

642
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,400
this song, the guys are singing in this kind of

643
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,760
old lady looking house apartment in this building that is

644
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,159
being torn down by these very manly looking women, and

645
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,239
sporadic shots of a crowd of nerdy looking people shouting

646
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,239
por some sugar on me.

647
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: It's whoa, what happened? This is terrible. Fortunately they are

648
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,639
wise enough to look at it and go, this is terrible.

649
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,039
Speaker 3: What else can we do? And live in a round

650
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,440
in your face? They took footage from that tour, specifically

651
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,880
their performance in Denver, and they made the video that

652
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:15,360
everybody knows and loves. In the video, he's wearing the

653
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960
T shirt, the women T shirt. Yes, he's got the

654
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,800
comic book that the kid was reading from the women video.

655
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,039
It's got he's got his own picture, he's got his

656
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,039
own superhero. I want to have that. Okay, I want

657
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,320
to have a T shirt that's me as a superhero

658
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,199
in a comic book on the T shirt.

659
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: Can we get one of those? Here's a funny story

660
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
for you. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap myself out.

661
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,400
But in that video, he's got the women's shirt cut down, sleeveless, right,

662
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:41,519
it's really cool. The mullet is in full glory. But

663
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,719
he has a pair of jeans that have like the

664
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,679
horizontal ribs on them all the way through. I took

665
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,599
a pair of jeans, yeah, cut them up, washed them,

666
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,360
didn't wear them in public, just wore them in my

667
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,440
room when I listened to songs play the air drums.

668
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,079
True story, that's true story.

669
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,119
Speaker 3: This song has an entirely to me an entirely different

670
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:02,800
field than all of the rest of the songs on

671
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,400
the album.

672
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: It is stripped down.

673
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 3: It is not the mut Lang We're gonna, We're gonna

674
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,119
put all these things together. It is very very basic,

675
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,400
very much drums and singing and just music and sporadic

676
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,039
bursts that gives it that kind of black Dog from

677
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,119
Led Zeppelin feel where you just this song kicks more

678
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,960
butt than any other song on the album.

679
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: And it's vaguely sexual too. Pour some sugar on. I

680
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,679
don't know what the bubble is that they're breaking it.

681
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't, but for some reason it makes me feel

682
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,679
a little dirty.

683
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: You've got the peaches, I've got the cream. I we're

684
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,599
having an ice cream party. Yes, that's okay, it is yeah,

685
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,440
all right, it's a cobbler. Okay. Are we done with?

686
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,760
Por some sugar on me? Pole song on the album?

687
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,880
All right? So the sixth track on the album is

688
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:03,079
armageddet This is the most fun the nuclear war has

689
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,599
ever been. I mean, armageddon has nothing to do with it,

690
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,800
nothing at all. This is This was released in January

691
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:20,239
of eighty nine. Yeah, this is This is almost a

692
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,519
year and a half after the album came out, right,

693
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,519
and they're still they're wiring it up.

694
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 3: Well, they're riding that poor some Sugar on Me way, Yes,

695
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,559
I mean it's and love bites, love bites, Poor some

696
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,039
Sugar on Me, armor gedding it.

697
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,119
Speaker 1: They're they're cruising that thing first while they are surfing

698
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,079
that wave. Yep. This song reached number three in January

699
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,159
of eighty nine on the Hot one hundred, only, beat

700
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:46,079
out by Two Hearts by Phil Collens Oh, former possible

701
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,559
producer for Hysteria Ironic and Don't Rush Me by Taylor

702
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:54,679
Dan Match. So but it's a play on words, right,

703
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,599
Are you getting it?

704
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,039
Speaker 3: Now?

705
00:37:56,119 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: You're getting it? Yes, I'm getting it right. I love

706
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,639
this song. The hook of the guitar is so catchy.

707
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,239
It is a pop metal, awesome five star song. Yeah.

708
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,559
I like the play on words. It's got some novelty.

709
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,400
I was. I liked it when I was a kid.

710
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239
They do their video in the exact same way as

711
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,639
they did with Pour Some Sugar on Me and why

712
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:23,280
Not it works so well. Again, Yes, and once again,

713
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,239
this was the last. This was supposed to be the

714
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,400
last song completed for the album. Huh but thankfully what

715
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,679
Lange said, you know what, Joe, We're going to go

716
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,719
explore that poor Some Sugar on Me vidio that you

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,519
got there, yeah, and keep building.

718
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the poor you know, we talked about them

719
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,480
not making their money back.

720
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: It was pour some sugar on me.

721
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: They caused the album sales to Skyrocket, beating Pyromania and

722
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,119
making them the money back, and then multiple folds over.

723
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,079
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Hit stop on your tape deck,

724
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,880
kick cast your cassette, flip it over. Now we're going

725
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,159
to side to Okay, but before we do, Side one

726
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:02,559
of Hysteria maybe the best one side of any album

727
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:09,639
in the eighties. Wow, Women Rocket, Animal Love Bites, purse

728
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,639
some sugar on the armagatin it. Yeah. I might have

729
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,800
agreed with you back in nineteen eighty nine. I don't

730
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,440
know that I'm going to agree with you right now. Okay, Well, hey,

731
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
we're gonna dive into a whole bunch of albums, so sure, yeah,

732
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,760
let's go for it. Okay. So the first track on

733
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:31,440
side two, it's a song called Gods of War. This

734
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,960
song has Ronald Reagan sounding like Dirty Harry. This is

735
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,239
kind of a diehard the Hunter.

736
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pyromania ye jacked up on steroids. Yeah, so it's

737
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,760
a little tougher. I felt like a little they're trying

738
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,360
to kind of get into that Metallica side of things

739
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,000
a little bit, but it's still very mud laying.

740
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Very highly produced. I think this is a song that

741
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,039
if it had a killer video behind it, it could

742
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,599
have been a successful single. The chorus in this song

743
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:07,000
is awesome. They only play it twice, and then you

744
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,800
close out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan saying you

745
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,119
thought America is going to be passive, you counted wrong,

746
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,639
and then all these you know, war stuff and hey,

747
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,719
let's go okay. Song after that is a song called

748
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:31,559
Don't Shoot Shotgun, catchy song. I know all the words.

749
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,000
It's a little goofy, more sex, more guns. There you go.

750
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:39,960
This is one of the oldest songs on the album.

751
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,920
Jim Simon actually worked on this with the band. Good song.

752
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,239
Not a great song, but a good song. Moving on

753
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:53,360
to a song called run Riot for Me, this is

754
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,079
the weakest track on the album. I mean it's it's

755
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,760
a good song. I still love it, but it's not

756
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,400
a not a high recommend for me.

757
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I mean to shoot you straight. On

758
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239
the B side, I had to push through. I had

759
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,639
to push through to get through these hysterias.

760
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: Obviously.

761
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: On the B side, and it's a decent song, but

762
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,480
the rest of the songs I had to just kind

763
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,639
of force myself to listen through.

764
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: All. Okay, well, run Right is not the best track

765
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,599
on the album. Number ten track.

766
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:30,039
Speaker 3: Hysteria, Hysteria which I'll do something for you. Now you

767
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,119
know you gave us that little Archies gold nugget.

768
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,519
Speaker 1: I'll do something for you. Okay.

769
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:43,039
Speaker 3: So this song is Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd.

770
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:54,119
Speaker 1: Wow Wow Wow. Yeah.

771
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,199
Speaker 3: Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd off the Wall album.

772
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,519
It's one of my favorite songs off the album, and

773
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,400
it's unmistakable. You know when you when you when you

774
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,599
hear hysteria. If you're a semi Pink Floyd fan, you're

775
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,079
gonna go. This sounds familiar. If you're a big Pink

776
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,760
Floyd fan, you're gonna go. Are they playing Goodbye Blue Sky?

777
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Huh? Because it's bottomn wow. I've never heard that before.

778
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,199
I'm not a Pink Floyd guy, so wow. So you

779
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,719
blew my mind with the Archies, Thank you. I'll blow

780
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960
your mind with Pink Floyd and we can keep on rolling. Well,

781
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,519
that's cool for me. Goodbye Blue skuy Aside, this song

782
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,079
is gorgeous. Yeah, it's layer upon layer upon layer of

783
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:47,159
guitars and just it just sings to my soul. I

784
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:48,119
love this song. Yeah.

785
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: I think the reason one of the reasons that I

786
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,800
like this song so much is that it reminds me

787
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,679
so much of the Pink Floyd style. And I said

788
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,800
that about I said that about some of the songs

789
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,360
from Pyromania as well. They're definitely taking some ideas from

790
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,519
the Pink Floyd library and running with them and make

791
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:06,039
them there out.

792
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: I did hear Phil Collen talk about how he and

793
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Rick Savage had come together with some different ideas, and

794
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,800
Rick Savage had played this guitar part and Phil Collen

795
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,280
would play there that little strum that we talked about yep.

796
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,880
And it was very similar to when we talked about

797
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,000
right now from Van Halen. Two guys different rooms working

798
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,280
on the same song. They just didn't know it. When

799
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,079
they came together. They say, well, I'm working on this.

800
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,199
Oh that sounds good. Hey, I've been working on this. Hey,

801
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,159
that sounds good. And they put it together and that

802
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:40,679
became this song. So this song did very well. I

803
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,320
think it reached number ten. Not this was definitely a

804
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,360
put it on the Girlfriend Makeout Mix of eighty eight, right, yeah, okay,

805
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:57,880
ye are you excitable? Are you excited? Okay? Excitable? This

806
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,119
was Mutlange's attempt at making some sort of rock dance song. Okay,

807
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,880
it's kind of vaguely naughty at the beginning, right, No,

808
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,599
are you excitable? Right? I like it. It's good, It's

809
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:13,480
it's kind of got.

810
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: It's got that same thing going the action what's the

811
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,360
action song from Action not Words, Action not Words from Pyromania.

812
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,119
Speaker 1: It's got that same kind of subtlety going. Yeah. Yeah,

813
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,440
I have the Hysteria Super Deluxe Edition and it has

814
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,920
a excitable the orgasmic.

815
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: Mix, Oh my goodness.

816
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: And then finally we top it all off with Love

817
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:55,320
and Affection, which for me, this is another song that

818
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,920
could have been released as a single. If you could

819
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,079
put a put a cool video with this, it could

820
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,679
have been a huge hit. Yeah. I love Love and Affection.

821
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,599
I am standing on this hill and dying. Love and

822
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,960
Affection is in the top percent of the songs on

823
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,480
this altum.

824
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: You have to say, I'm ranking it up for sure

825
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:15,880
on the top percentage.

826
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: I rank it above Lovevites. I like it better than

827
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,360
the Wow. Yeah okay, so it's it's just a it's

828
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:42,760
a really cool song, all right.

829
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: So you know, the band sadly Highs and Lows, Highs

830
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,840
and Lows. Tragically, after they finished their tour, Steve Clark

831
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,599
lost his battle with alcoholism. It had been a constant

832
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,280
issue that he had to deal with. His fiance came

833
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,440
to the band couple different times to go, hey, guys,

834
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,719
I mean and they were all heavy drinkers. And Phil Collen,

835
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,599
his guitar partner the Terror Twins, was his drinking buddy,

836
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960
and at some point Phil Collen said, I've got to quit.

837
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:17,679
And so Steve, who had dealt with depression and used

838
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,880
alcohol as a way to deal with that, suddenly has

839
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,800
lost his drinking buddy and his downward spiral could not

840
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,800
be stopped despite multiple attempts.

841
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: They sent him to rehab for a significant portion.

842
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: Of time, and he was just biting his time until

843
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,360
he could start drinking again.

844
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,679
Speaker 1: He was in the looney bin where yeah, Joeli it

845
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,599
talks about that with the people that talked to Trees. Yeah,

846
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:45,320
he had some significant personal problems, yep, and they were

847
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,639
one of these deals were like, look, dude, if you

848
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:48,920
don't straighten up, you're on the band, right, And it's

849
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480
such a hard thing. You don't you know, until you walk.

850
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: A mile in somebody else's shoes, you cannot judge their actions.

851
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,519
I had I actually had a friend from high school.

852
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,000
I'm forty five four years old. I had a friend

853
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,400
from high school die three weeks ago from his paddle

854
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,480
with alcoholism. If you've if you've got that problem, and

855
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:10,639
you've got that depression that you're dealing with, you get

856
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,159
to ask yourself, would you rather not be alive? Or

857
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,679
would you rather just not be sad? And if the

858
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,719
answers you'd just rather not be sad? Please seek professional help.

859
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,920
There are people out there who love you, who want.

860
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,599
Speaker 1: You to stay around, right. I thought it was interesting.

861
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,079
On the inside cover of Hysteria, the band said, sorry,

862
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,400
we were gone so long from Paramania. It took us

863
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,960
a long time to get here. We won't be gone

864
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,000
this long ever again. Right. Well, with the problems that

865
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,519
they had and the death of Steve Clark, they were

866
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,719
gone even longer. So I remember where I was sitting

867
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,079
when I heard the news of Steve Clark had died.

868
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:50,079
I was such a big deaf Leopard fan, and I'm

869
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,360
sitting around of course, this is before the internet. This

870
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,639
is nineteen ninety, Like, when in the crap are they

871
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,639
going to get a new album out right? And I'm

872
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:03,639
sitting on my wife's bed as we're cleaning upper room.

873
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:07,480
We're working on something, and the radio says sad Announce

874
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,039
with Steve Clark died, and I'm like, what, Yeah, it

875
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:23,079
blew me away? All right, so we're ready to dive in.

876
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,360
Are we ready to talk final judgment? Let's talk final judgment? Okay.

877
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,199
Speaker 3: So I got to say I said this in the

878
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,519
first episode when we started talking about Pyromania. When I

879
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,239
listened to Pyramania for the first time, it really was

880
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,920
like I was listening to it for the first time

881
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,199
because I didn't listen to it when I was a kid.

882
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,559
I would see the videos that came on, but I

883
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,199
never owned the album. I was never a big Deaf

884
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Leopard fan, and so I when I listened to the

885
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,039
album for the first time, it was like, hey, them

886
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:56,559
back in the early eighties, and I'm just imagining myself

887
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,880
with my headphones in my room, you know.

888
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: And I put that on and I was like, Wow,

889
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:06,360
this is really good. I was blown away, and I

890
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,760
mean I knew def Leppard from Hysteria.

891
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,559
Speaker 3: Like I said, I remember dances with Pour some Sugar

892
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,800
on Me, blowing it up and love bites and dancing

893
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,639
with the girl, and there's a.

894
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: Lot of emotion there, so I knew them from that.

895
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: But to go back and listen to Pyromania, I thought

896
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,400
when we started this conversation, I thought, Okay, well, I'm

897
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,079
gonna be making the argument for Hysteria.

898
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:29,079
Speaker 1: Because those are the songs that I know. But going back,

899
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Pyromania is my album.

900
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Wow, I will listen to that. I will listen to

901
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,599
that one over and over again. When I got you know,

902
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,599
when I got to Too Late for Love and you've

903
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,800
got the swirling wind going on, and you've got that

904
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,239
guitar that comes in and Joe Elliott singing on top

905
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,000
of that, just the wind, the guitar and Joe Elliott's

906
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,280
voice and then bam, you get hit with that the

907
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,599
chorus and the harmony of the rest of the band.

908
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,199
I was like, holy crap, this is freaking awesome. I

909
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
was telling people. I was like, we're doing this right now.

910
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,840
I was like, have you listened to this album lately?

911
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,960
I became an evangelist.

912
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,159
Speaker 1: That is so cool.

913
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,679
Speaker 3: Man for Pyromania, and I was just like, this is

914
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,559
really really good.

915
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: And then we're doing Hysteria.

916
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,679
Speaker 3: So I started listening to Hysteria, and like we talked

917
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,360
about Side A Solid right, and I'm listening, I'm like, yeah,

918
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,960
I'm remembering all these songs, but as I'm listening to it,

919
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,239
I'm like, these don't appeal to me the same way

920
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:30,960
that they did before.

921
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:31,639
Speaker 1: They're good.

922
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: I still have an emotional connection. It's that nostalgia that

923
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,119
you've talked about before. But as I'm driving in my

924
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,559
car from here on out, I can say, if I'm

925
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,559
driving my car and you can present me with only

926
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,239
two options, I'm picking Pyromania over Hysteria.

927
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,599
Speaker 1: Hey, that is really cool. First of all, the fact

928
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,639
that you have discovered one of the eighties great rock

929
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:56,400
albums is super cool. Yeah. And I have had people

930
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,599
who have commented on the podcast it only took me

931
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:02,760
forty years. Hey, well, that's so cool, and I'm glad

932
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,960
to be sort of a part of that deal for you. Yeah.

933
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,960
I have had people comment on the podcast to me

934
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,880
that they had forgotten how much they enjoyed Spaceboll's or

935
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,480
Airplane or Bad. I've had a lot of people tell

936
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,599
me that they now appreciate bad better. Yeah.

937
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: And when we did the Van Halen episode and I

938
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,440
started listening to all the Sammy songs again, I was like, man, these.

939
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,079
Speaker 1: Are these are pretty darn good.

940
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 3: I mean, I was kind of like, eh, I still

941
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:32,519
like Dave better, but I was really impressed that, you know, hey,

942
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:34,280
I should have given these more of a chance than

943
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,599
I did.

944
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: And this one was just I mean, it was brand new.

945
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,079
It was brand new for me, and I loved it. Well,

946
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,400
that's really cool. I'm so glad to be a part

947
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,880
of that. Now. I got to tell you why you're

948
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:51,719
off face, all right, Yeah, okay, So first of all,

949
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:57,400
I absolutely love Pyramedia. Okay, so I am the world's

950
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,559
biggest def Leppard fan. I think I'm probably have said

951
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,239
it many times. I'm not really good at masking my feelings.

952
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,679
But for me, Hysteria is the soundtrack for my high

953
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:13,079
school years. I'm ultra nostalgic, but I think these songs

954
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,880
are just great. I mean, they're all great, but Pyramania

955
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,239
is great too. So what's the dividing what's the breaking

956
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,400
point for me? Yeah? So for me, Pyromania is the

957
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,880
Mona Lisa Yeah of pop metal albums. Okay, it's perfection. Okay, okay, Now,

958
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,119
then Hysteria is the Mona Lisa except for the girl

959
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:39,840
looks like Jennifer Lopez. All Right, they took they took

960
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,000
something perfect and made it perfect or okay, they made

961
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,920
it better, you know. And we didn't talk about that.

962
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: But Mutt Lang, he came to the guys after coming

963
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,960
back into the album. He's like, do you guys really

964
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,679
want to make Pyromania too? And the answers no, that

965
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,559
we want to do something different and we want to

966
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:58,880
do something better. We want to take it up a notch.

967
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,280
But the question is did they take it up a

968
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,320
notch in your opinion?

969
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, did they did? And I'll tell you kind

970
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:10,559
of where I am when Mutt Lang goes and gets

971
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:14,159
coffee in nineteen eighty seven January of ninetis and comes

972
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,159
back and walks by and Joy is playing on the

973
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:17,000
guitar and he's.

974
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 4: Love's like a bomb man to come and get it

975
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,840
on living like another with a er my phone looking

976
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,960
like a tramp Lager video on Ma'm damn woman canapeo

977
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,639
man man, and.

978
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: He says, stop the presses. We need to add that

979
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:47,840
song listen baby good sometimes right, Okay, actually do that right,

980
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,280
the accidental drip. The difference between Pyramede and Hysteria is

981
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,199
that song. Okay, you take you remove pors some Sugar

982
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:59,119
on Me, and those albums are deadweight on the scale.

983
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:04,079
They're even and for me, the absolute mind blowing power

984
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,960
of that song poor Some Sugar on Me tips the

985
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,000
scales first.

986
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,039
Speaker 3: Okay, So you and I are on the same page

987
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,840
on poor Some Sugar on Me. And this you know,

988
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,679
in this experience that we have of making this podcast

989
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,360
and listening to albums and learning about the albums, I've

990
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,800
told you that listening to the producers and what their

991
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,559
impact is, I had no idea, right, Mutt Lang has

992
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,800
a huge effect on Pyromania, and I think an even

993
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,920
bigger effect. And here's I'm going to put it as

994
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,000
simply as I can. The more produced an album is

995
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,599
the more to me, it sounds kind of canned. And

996
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,719
so you know, you talk about whether nostalgia is really

997
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,559
the thing that influences or not. I can say when

998
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:56,239
I hear love bites, I can remember slow dancing with

999
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,199
a girl. I can remember when I hear poor Some

1000
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,480
Sugar on Me, the crowd going crazy and everybody dance

1001
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:04,719
in like Lord of the Flies, and it was awesome.

1002
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,000
But if you take that part out, if you take

1003
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:12,400
that experience out, if I'm just listening to hysteria in

1004
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,079
the car, it's not got the same connection. It doesn't

1005
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,840
have that emotion because it's so produced. Mut Lang wanted

1006
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,840
perfection and he achieved it. It's just that perfection kind

1007
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,679
of leaves me a little bit cold. I like, and

1008
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,719
obviously Pyromania is really really produced, right, I.

1009
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Mean, they spent so much time on it.

1010
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: It's a heavily produced animal, but it's not as much

1011
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,000
And it's those little moments like in Too Late for

1012
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:41,320
Love where you're breaking it down, where it's a guitar

1013
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,119
and a singer and then a chorus and a harmony, that's.

1014
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,599
Speaker 1: The best part.

1015
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: And in Pour Some Sugar on Me, it's not hyper produced.

1016
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:57,519
It's drums and a singer and a simple, simple blues lick.

1017
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,239
That makes this song so good. It's that they've taken

1018
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,280
out the overproduction that makes poor Some Sugar on Me

1019
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,440
so good. And I agree with you. If you take

1020
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,440
Pour Some Sugar out of that album, it's not a

1021
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,280
spectacular album. I'm telling you Pyromania is better overall because

1022
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,880
the songs are good from beginning to end. It doesn't

1023
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,599
have the sparkling, big hitter that pour Some Sugar on

1024
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,840
Me is. But if you lose poor Some Sugar on

1025
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,159
Me from Hysteria, Pyromania is obviously a better album.

1026
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. Here's what I'll

1027
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:31,719
be interested to see once we put this out on

1028
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,159
social media. This is gonna be very similar to Michael Jackson,

1029
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,360
So thriller bad, thriller bad, thrill bad, thriller bad, and

1030
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,480
then we get the occasional off the wall person. So

1031
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,800
we're gonna hear somebody's gonna say I and DRIs of this.

1032
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,239
I'm gonna we're gonna hear it. Yeah, trust me, we're

1033
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:46,719
gonna hear it.

1034
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: Now, if somebody says Adrenalized is the best album they're out,

1035
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:53,079
we're gonna have to see your ide Did you show

1036
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:53,599
me your idea?

1037
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: Adrenalize is kind of the third in the trilogy, you know,

1038
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,320
they kind of see it as the trilogy, but it

1039
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,800
is a down well, but it's it is. It was

1040
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,840
your candy rock. It was candy rock.

1041
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,599
Speaker 3: They took it that they just kept getting more and

1042
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,559
more pop and pop and poppy pop.

1043
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,039
Speaker 1: And then it's like eating chocoate Jim Cookies for dinner.

1044
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:16,199
It's too much. Yeah, but for me it's hysteria. For you,

1045
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,920
it's paramedia. Yeah, I love them both. Yeah. What do

1046
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,840
you think we want to hear from you guys?

1047
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just say I walked in today so

1048
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,480
excited because I love doing this with Jason. He's my

1049
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,440
best friend and knock knuckles there, Yeah, we're falls. I

1050
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,199
love geeking out with him, but I love listening to

1051
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,119
you guys. We are getting so much feedback on Facebook

1052
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:41,920
and it is fantastic. People telling us what you're crazy?

1053
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,480
You know, why would you think this? This is ridiculous

1054
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,280
and we love it. I mean it's we want you

1055
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,800
guys to dive in with us, and again.

1056
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:51,519
Speaker 1: We're blown away.

1057
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: We thought we'd have a handful of listeners that we

1058
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:55,800
all knew their first name.

1059
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 1: There are lots of you out there who are telling

1060
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:01,559
your friends about us. Thank you means so much to us.

1061
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:02,360
We love you.

1062
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,239
Speaker 3: Please keep sharing the good news and please keep talking.

1063
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,159
Speaker 1: With us on Facebook. That's right, Thank you so much

1064
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,199
for listening. Give us a five star honest review.

1065
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: If you can and share with your friends, or if

1066
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,840
it's a dishonest five star review.

1067
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: That'd be well, take us as well. It'd be fine too.

1068
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,840
It's been fun and we will see you next week.

1069
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we're going to talk about Braveheart and Gladiator. Yes,

1070
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,360
and on this one we can say with some strength

1071
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,920
we do not love both.

1072
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:37,199
Speaker 1: Of these movies. That one still kills me. Come back. Yeah,

1073
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,840
after this one, you want to hear a real argument

1074
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,599
that those will be the episodes to listen to. All right,

1075
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,400
signing off.

1076
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,159
Speaker 3: All music, images and movie clips are used for the

1077
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:51,480
purposes of commentary and education in conjunction with the fair

1078
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:53,440
Use agreement under the US copyright law.