Speaker 1: Welcome back to Making It So. This is episode number
Speaker 1: forty eight. On this we are covering a strange New
Speaker 1: World's Season four, episode two, the Griffin Incident.
Speaker 2: I'm your host.
Speaker 1: Craig and my co host Steve all the way over
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Speaker 2: Bit of news.
Speaker 1: So at Comic Con the other day, they were talking
Speaker 1: about a new Star Trek movie that they're working on,
Speaker 1: and they said it's going to be in a future
Speaker 1: that we haven't covered before or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if they're talking about like post
Speaker 1: Discovery future or if they're talking like post Picard future.
Speaker 1: In that I'm really hoping it's in the post Picard future,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be a crew that we've
Speaker 1: used or followed before, so it's gonna be a whole
Speaker 1: new crew and a whole new movie. Now, from what
Speaker 1: I could tell, they didn't say it was going to
Speaker 1: be a streaming movie or a cinema movie.
Speaker 3: It's he nor there.
Speaker 1: So Okay, as we know, Steve and I will be
Speaker 1: getting into full spoilers for this episode A Strange New World,
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Speaker 1: you know it's a no an issue for us. So
Speaker 1: where shall we go for the synopsis this week?
Speaker 2: Steve? Shall we go off IMDb or Prime Video? What
Speaker 2: do you reckon? We'll paramount there?
Speaker 3: What one looks more ridiculous?
Speaker 2: They're both equal? This week? I amb D, I am
Speaker 2: dB dB okay.
Speaker 1: IMDb synopsis says Spock, Laan, and Kirk board a lost
Speaker 1: Federation ship where an old mystery becomes a survival crisis.
Speaker 1: And then Prime says la Spock and Kirk get trapped
Speaker 1: on a mysterious long lost Federation ship.
Speaker 3: So I think Prime did a better job. They're kind
Speaker 3: of setting up like much.
Speaker 1: But this episode it was a written and was written
Speaker 1: by Robbie Thompson and directed by Axel Carolyn, So.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I've ever seen them on any anyway.
Speaker 1: So this episode opens with a personal log of James T.
Speaker 2: Kirk.
Speaker 1: He's hitching a ride back home with Spock and l
Speaker 1: on a shuttle after they were at some sort of
Speaker 1: a retreat where some admiral was. It was basically a
Speaker 1: at Dixon seminar. Of course, on their way back, they
Speaker 1: detect a distress signal. So I'm actually wondering where they
Speaker 1: had to go for the seminar, because back in this
Speaker 1: time those shuttles didn't exactly go massively fast either with
Speaker 1: their warp capability, so I'm hoping it wasn't too far
Speaker 1: that they had to go, but they detect.
Speaker 2: A distress signal. So one thing that I was a
Speaker 2: little bit like Spock was concerned with La about her
Speaker 2: distraction at the retreat. You know, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: just seemed a bit Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily Yeah, they don't necessarily scene. We understand it.
Speaker 3: They're together. You don't need to hammer in the feelings
Speaker 3: every time you get the chance to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, Star Trek has always covered relationships and stuff,
Speaker 1: but it just, I don't know, it just didn't well.
Speaker 1: Later on in this episode there is a lot more
Speaker 1: of their relationship and you know, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is what it is.
Speaker 2: But they come across.
Speaker 3: Better done though, it's better done. As Nichols into the episode, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: that particular was kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come across like a bit of an asteroid
Speaker 1: field sort of thing, and in it they find the
Speaker 1: USS Griffin n CC one zero six seven.
Speaker 2: Now that's a.
Speaker 1: Constitution class ship looking at it all right, now, wasn't
Speaker 1: the USS Constitution the one the class was named after.
Speaker 1: It's registry number one seven zero zero, and.
Speaker 3: That'd be on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: It was so, because Yeah, usually with the classes of ships,
Speaker 1: they all, you know, for they start ye one seven
Speaker 1: zero zero, and then the next one will be one
Speaker 1: seven zero one one seven zero two and so forth right.
Speaker 2: Obviously the Enterprise, as.
Speaker 1: We get into next gen and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: they just go one seven zero one abc D.
Speaker 2: Say, for like the Sovereign, like it would have been.
Speaker 1: You know, eight eight whatever, you know, for instance, and
Speaker 1: then the next ship in the line would have been
Speaker 1: eight eight zero one or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: So Howard sixty seven, Yeah, one.
Speaker 2: Zero six seven.
Speaker 1: It's to me that didn't make sense. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: had been missing for nine years apparently this ship too, so.
Speaker 3: They have a mission ships out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It actually makes me wonder how many ships over the
Speaker 1: years that Stafleet has actually lost.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about it when I was going
Speaker 3: to get my coffee. I was thinking about that exact thing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how many times has this happened? And how
Speaker 3: many more ships like that? Is there? Have they lost
Speaker 3: like a total of like seventy ships or you know
Speaker 3: the making of Stifleet so like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and they had what three it said they
Speaker 1: had three hundred souls on board, so obviously the crew
Speaker 1: and yeah with Captain Taggart and they were all gone.
Speaker 1: So as they are prepping for the away mission, they
Speaker 1: realize that they've only got two torches.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Kirk was like, oh, yeah, well lucky I was a
Speaker 1: boy scout and yeah, he's always prepared and he's got
Speaker 1: like a spare.
Speaker 2: Torch and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, Yeah, everyone's got their little go bag,
Speaker 1: I guess, sir for that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Me just getting back to like Kirk being on the
Speaker 3: Enterprise and why he's there. It just seemed like another
Speaker 3: reason for them to kind of filter him in with
Speaker 3: the crew that's presently there and you know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen in the future when he eventually takes it over.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's the case to trying to make him more
Speaker 3: of like a familiar face of the show. I just
Speaker 3: thought it was kind of hand fisted to get him
Speaker 3: in there a little.
Speaker 1: Bit his current here we go, his current ship must
Speaker 1: be always pretty close to the Enterprise at the moment, and.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. I'm like, how is he
Speaker 3: How is it always the Enterprise? I don't think people
Speaker 3: sometimes understand how many ships are in Starfleet. Yeah, thousand,
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen thousand ships, and it says always the
Speaker 3: Enterprise that happens to be near him. It's just odd.
Speaker 3: It just seems very hand fisted if you really step
Speaker 3: back and think of it.
Speaker 2: I actually like him playing Kirk, though.
Speaker 1: He he is very much playing a younger Kirk, which
Speaker 1: makes sense obviously, but you can see little parts in
Speaker 1: there occasionally of where he has watched Shatner and learned
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will say this, I may not love the
Speaker 3: character like to me, like like everybody said up the jump,
Speaker 3: he does look like a bargain story Jim Carey to me,
Speaker 3: I cannot get that out of my head. I cannot
Speaker 3: undersee it whatsoever. But the more that he's been in
Speaker 3: the show, the more I've got used to him. Because
Speaker 3: obviously he's here to stay and the more I've just
Speaker 3: kind of gotten past that and looked at his mannerisms,
Speaker 3: the maneurisms in the little Slate Kirk things that he's
Speaker 3: done was very evident in this episode. Actually, it was
Speaker 3: definitely noticed.
Speaker 1: So very smartly before they beamed over to the Griffin,
Speaker 1: Spock sent a message with the coordinates and everything to
Speaker 1: the Enterprise by long range, which I thought was very
Speaker 1: smart to do that, so, you know, excellent, you know,
Speaker 1: let them know what they're doing. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it probably would have been more smart to leave one
Speaker 1: of them on the shuttle and only send two over.
Speaker 2: For the ship. Yeah, or tactics the thing.
Speaker 1: You leave one on there and then you can automatic
Speaker 1: you can use someone on the shuttle to beam them
Speaker 1: out straight away if they need to in case there's
Speaker 1: any issues.
Speaker 3: Or send a full compliment of crew if you really
Speaker 3: wonder about what's going over there. If it pissed me
Speaker 3: off so much when they were worried about what was
Speaker 3: going on, none of them had their freaking feezers so bad.
Speaker 3: But even though it didn't do anything, I get it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, as soon as they beam over to the Griffin,
Speaker 1: Laarn comments that the artificial gravity is on because she
Speaker 1: was expecting to be floating, which totally makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that they didn't mention that because that, yeah,
Speaker 1: some people could have made an.
Speaker 2: Issue about that.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad they did mention that because that ship,
Speaker 1: as I said, had been lost for nine years. Straight Away,
Speaker 1: Kirk hears a baby crying, but nobody else hears it,
Speaker 1: so we're like, what is going on here? So straight
Speaker 1: away though, this episode made me think of Event Horizon.
Speaker 3: When you thought it felt like adventurism, Ah, maybe, oh,
Speaker 3: as I say, that didn't give me the vibe then,
Speaker 3: But actually right when I saw that, you'll get into it.
Speaker 3: But the character, the first character that we see a
Speaker 3: lot of them, that's when I kind of get the vibe.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, okay, yeah, well when I didn't
Speaker 2: pick up one.
Speaker 3: Event Horizon to be fair, but I felt like it
Speaker 3: was very similar to some other horror sci fi that
Speaker 3: we've seen.
Speaker 1: Well, would Event Horizon come out? And I think what
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven and Sam Neil was in the movie.
Speaker 1: Last week we were doing a bit of Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: which was a Sam Neil movie as well. So I'm
Speaker 1: wondering what we're going to rip off of a Sam
Speaker 1: Neil movie next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, that's true. I forgot about that. By
Speaker 3: the way, rest in p Sam Neil is one of
Speaker 3: the greatest actors we had many now, he was never
Speaker 3: afraid to do rules that people would probably think would
Speaker 3: be below him, and I loved him for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so the ship itself has just this creepy empty
Speaker 1: vibe and it's still got some very minor lighting going.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even really seem broken, you know, it seemed
Speaker 1: just everything's just gone.
Speaker 3: It seems like a modern Star Trek ship. Very dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very dark.
Speaker 3: Honestly, maybe it was the Nate shift or nothing.
Speaker 1: They figure out that they've got one hour of life
Speaker 1: support left. There are no shuttles on the ship left,
Speaker 1: all the escape poards are gone, but there are no
Speaker 1: records of any launch at all.
Speaker 2: It's just weird. So what the hell has happened on
Speaker 2: this thing?
Speaker 1: So you know, they were checking through the computers as well,
Speaker 1: and that they're trying to make sure that there was
Speaker 1: there was no experiments that they'd done that were going wrong,
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 2: Shit like that.
Speaker 1: So we did learn though that Starfleet has a what's
Speaker 1: called a Division twelve, which is like an investigative arm
Speaker 1: that looks after unexplained phenomenon, which I thought was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you like that? There's going to be
Speaker 3: a lot more divisions for certain things as well forever.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so obviously we've got Division twelve, so yeah,
Speaker 1: there's probably another, you know, at least eleven more divisions before.
Speaker 3: That or sections.
Speaker 1: Well, so section the name section thirty one actually comes
Speaker 1: from Section thirty one of the Federation Charter.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but which is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, what other parts of the Federation Charter
Speaker 1: are they taking secsions from?
Speaker 3: I guess, you never know, they could do it, It could
Speaker 3: be possible.
Speaker 1: So they're strolling down the hall, I guess, and then
Speaker 1: they see a you know what I can only describe
Speaker 1: at that point as a creepy zombie, yeah, in a
Speaker 1: Starfleet uniform, like down the hall, and they follow it
Speaker 1: and then it disappears like that goes around a corner
Speaker 1: and there's a closed bulkhead there, so where did it go?
Speaker 2: So already we're like, yeah.
Speaker 3: But you always follow the creepy zombie on an empty
Speaker 3: size ship. That's what you usually do.
Speaker 1: Well, every creepy horror movie, like there's you know, someone
Speaker 1: that you know gets based or follows the creepy zombie
Speaker 1: or the dude with the chainsaw, you know that sort
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 3: With the flashlights, the flashlight's just a beam instead of
Speaker 3: it being actually.
Speaker 1: Bright the old trope of flickering the flashlight. Did they
Speaker 1: with a batula or anything, So they kept away from that,
Speaker 1: which was nice.
Speaker 3: It was brighter than most horror movies that the flashlight,
Speaker 3: but if you ever noticed it, it's just like, why
Speaker 3: why do they have a flashlight if it's not eliminating.
Speaker 2: Anything anyway, So.
Speaker 1: That creepy zombie thing says that I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: you as it like disappears, so it's like.
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: Then you know, we actually get the opening titles of
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 2: So that's around about the eight minute mark, so.
Speaker 1: Much earlier than last week's like fifteen minutes in.
Speaker 3: It's a good cold open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was opening so that.
Speaker 1: There was no life signs on this ship at all,
Speaker 1: despite what they had just seen, but they were detecting
Speaker 1: some negatively charged ions. So Spocks said that, and then
Speaker 1: Kirk's like you mean ghosts and spots Like no, I
Speaker 1: said negatively charged ions. Anyway, they come across a door
Speaker 1: which is to Sick Bay, we learn which is got
Speaker 1: these bars welded across it, which is cool. Like I
Speaker 1: got a little bit of Walking Dead vibes from that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen that show, The Walking.
Speaker 2: Dead where just the first season.
Speaker 1: Well, any zombie sort of thing really like you get
Speaker 1: you know, if there's zombies inside, you're going to weld
Speaker 1: the doors closed, like, but then they decide, hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to try and get in there anyway.
Speaker 2: But there's Starfleet phaser.
Speaker 1: Burns around and on this door there are also kling
Speaker 1: On Disruptor and Vulcan phaser burns, So you know what
Speaker 1: Vulcan ship come across this thing, and what kling On
Speaker 1: ship came across this thing as well, and we're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're out of here.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: They all, you know, disappear on the ship as well.
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't think after Vulcans had disappeared, they would
Speaker 3: at least communicate that with I mean it had been
Speaker 3: to the ship, they would communicate that with starf.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Kirk starts hearing the child crying again, and
Speaker 1: he starts to walk off, and then Lahan stops him
Speaker 1: as they lower the barricades on the door. So you know,
Speaker 1: you're hearing all this creepy stuff. A door has been
Speaker 1: deliberately welded closed and had bars put across it. But hey,
Speaker 1: we're just going to pull those off. Yeah, real smart guys,
Speaker 1: let's uh help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1: Anyway, they go into you know, sick Bay and there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of empty body bags. Now, one thing
Speaker 1: I did notice about those empty body bags, each individual
Speaker 1: one has a different crew.
Speaker 2: Member's name on it.
Speaker 3: Preordained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you know, if I was a crew
Speaker 1: member on that ship and then I died, they'd go
Speaker 1: and find my body bag. That to me was very
Speaker 1: very weird because you know, coming from my military background,
Speaker 1: if you know, they don't have that you know, marked
Speaker 1: for everyone. They just have a body bag and then
Speaker 1: they'll put a name on it.
Speaker 3: That's like a very drastic measure to have for every
Speaker 3: single you know, potential death on the ship. It is
Speaker 3: kind of creepy point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, very very good.
Speaker 3: I like, why would you put the name on it?
Speaker 3: Just have a bunch of body bags they give they
Speaker 3: like a random member of the crew with a stumble crust, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you have a body bag for me? Interesting, Like I
Speaker 3: get why they do, but isn't that something that you
Speaker 3: could also materialize with a you know, like what do
Speaker 3: you call it?
Speaker 2: Missing the word?
Speaker 1: They didn't really have replicators per se at this period either,
Speaker 1: so they.
Speaker 3: Could do material and stuff.
Speaker 1: They could do a certain amount, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it just seems absolute waste to me to be
Speaker 1: having each each crew member when they come on board,
Speaker 1: you know, come with like a pack that's got their
Speaker 1: body bag in its, Like I've got a new crew member.
Speaker 1: One of my jobs today is to print a new
Speaker 1: body bag for this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just switched the tag from the person who
Speaker 3: left the ship.
Speaker 2: Decide that they're going to head off to the bridge.
Speaker 1: Before they go, though, Lan tells Spock to stay safe
Speaker 1: and gives him a kiss.
Speaker 3: By they say's let's split up. It's like the number one,
Speaker 3: you know all horror movies. I knew she was going
Speaker 3: to say it before she said it, And she goes,
Speaker 3: let's let up, and like, you got kidding me? Why
Speaker 3: would you split up? Right now? What a terrible idea anyway, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So on their way to the bridge, Kirk and
Speaker 1: Lahn are talking about Carol and David. So if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar and you haven't watched all of this, and
Speaker 1: you know, don't fully have an idea on Kirk and
Speaker 1: his relationship. He has a partner Carol, Carol Marcus, and
Speaker 1: they have a son called David. That becomes very relevant.
Speaker 1: Was in Star Trek five, isn't it?
Speaker 3: It's well, it's a country. It's the one with con
Speaker 3: which I just watched the other day, and then the
Speaker 3: Return of Spark or the Church for Spark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. Something happened to him, yes, yes, well.
Speaker 3: We're in a spoilers section he dies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You haven't seen those movies by now, what
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 3: Doing, Christopher Lloyd? Come on? Uh? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So Kirk then asks Larn about her family and
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, well, Staflee, it's my family, which she's
Speaker 1: basically a career officer, Like this is it for her?
Speaker 1: She's yeah, because of her augmented family background and everything,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want anything to do with it. So it's
Speaker 1: just Starfleet is her family, and that is it.
Speaker 3: But it's also a way for her to dodge around
Speaker 3: the question, of course, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 3: jump around the question because we still don't know everything
Speaker 3: about her past.
Speaker 1: So then we saw this creepy figure in the hall
Speaker 1: behind them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: But then they sort of felt it as well, and
Speaker 1: then they were like, oh, well, there's no negatively dions.
Speaker 1: So then they enter the turbo lift to the bridge.
Speaker 1: So this is a little bit of an inconsistency thing.
Speaker 1: So early on in Strange New Worlds, when they get
Speaker 1: in the turbo lifts, they would hold on to the
Speaker 1: little handle thing on the wall and twist it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've stopped doing that.
Speaker 1: Obviously in the original series that that's what they would do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one thing about the show I don't really love.
Speaker 3: And it comes to the end when perfect example is
Speaker 3: pakes Quarters. Nothing seems to fit for that error in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, some stuff some stuff does, most
Speaker 3: of it doesn't. I still like it, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily fit with that err and I feel like they
Speaker 3: could have done a little better with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course in certain areas.
Speaker 1: All right, So Spark is interrogating the computer trying to
Speaker 1: find out what actually happened, and he figures out that
Speaker 1: all of them were beamed off the ship somehow, all right,
Speaker 1: not all of them, well no, not all of them,
Speaker 1: quite a few, I think it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there were.
Speaker 1: Eighty seven were beamed directly into space. Yeah, right, thirteen
Speaker 1: victims and there was something else. Yeah, but those two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty seven were beamed into space while they
Speaker 1: were still alive. And it seems that that into space,
Speaker 1: was it? Lieutenant Harper, the security chief from her reports,
Speaker 1: imagine that being beamed straight into space?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3: Fucked instant death though, so instant, you weren't even I mean,
Speaker 3: the temperature out there is so colle so yeah, just
Speaker 3: a vacuum itself is going to kill youself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a knockol, knockol at all. Anyway, Spock, he
Speaker 1: gets himself trapped in sick bay, all right, and then
Speaker 1: the coms aren't working. Now when he turns around, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the body bags that are laying on,
Speaker 1: like the biobeds and stuff in the sick bay there
Speaker 1: are filled with bodies.
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on? What the hell is
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: And then blood starts pulling in them. This is just like,
Speaker 1: how is this happening?
Speaker 3: You know? It's Hour of Star Trek ever, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like they'd already done like a zombie episode.
Speaker 1: I think it was last season. Anyway, is looking at
Speaker 1: Harper's video log, and then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: body bag behind him sits up, and inside that body bag,
Speaker 1: it like opens it up and to ring, isn't it
Speaker 1: of all people?
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that at all, to be honest, No, I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't either, hold Springs Spring wasn't seen that at all.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Lan she's looking at the log as well, and the
Speaker 1: log seems to be talking to her all right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they look out the viewscreen or the window on the
Speaker 1: bridge there and they see their own shuttle that they
Speaker 1: came on just destroyed outside. So it wouldn't have made
Speaker 1: more sense to like either dock that shuttle somehow or
Speaker 1: fly it into a shuttle bay before they beamed in.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how it got destroyed. They never
Speaker 1: said how it got destroyed or did it actually get
Speaker 1: destroyed or was that just in there?
Speaker 3: That's something we never find out actually correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not see it in my couple of
Speaker 1: watches of the episode. So I'm starting to think now
Speaker 1: that that shuttle being destroyed was probably in their imagination.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, they should have never been on the ship.
Speaker 3: If it's missing for nine years, there's a lot more
Speaker 3: going on than what they probably had seen. They like
Speaker 3: ten minutes, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we'll sit here, We'll wait for the Enterprise to come,
Speaker 1: and then once the Enterprise gets here, we can maybe
Speaker 1: send over a wait team to figure out what happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, just wait for Division twelve, wait for
Speaker 1: those guys and get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can launch a rescue mission because you do.
Speaker 3: Hear the beacon going off, so obviously you have to
Speaker 3: go pay attention to it. Doesn't mean you have to
Speaker 3: a board the ship. Yeah, correct, it's not going to
Speaker 3: change anything. It's not going to change anything.
Speaker 1: So to prose, try to recount how she got there.
Speaker 1: But she doesn't even really know how she got there. Spock,
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe that it's actually to pring and he's
Speaker 1: sort of trying to ignore he basically to a point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they sort of discuss, you know, what's happening, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit of a strange interaction. Ah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Kirk and Laarn, they're just like, yep, we
Speaker 1: basically need to get out of here, and they decide
Speaker 1: that Division twelve can deal with it. So Division twelve
Speaker 1: to me seems a bit like the X Files from.
Speaker 2: The FBI Paranormal kind of exactly.
Speaker 3: So that sar Fleet runs into.
Speaker 1: Now Lane decides that she's going to head to Engineering.
Speaker 1: The box already by himself, Kirk is bought and will
Speaker 1: Kirk will be by himself on the bridge, and then
Speaker 1: she's going to be by herself and Engineering, Like, you've
Speaker 1: already seen enough creepy stuff on the ship.
Speaker 2: Why are we splitting up?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I know is a bad our security chief. Yeah, tough
Speaker 2: as all nails, but Puck, don't split up.
Speaker 3: It was unnecessary. It's unnecessary. It's like the reason why
Speaker 3: you know, Spoilered. I didn't love the episode. I don't
Speaker 3: really love horror. The reason why it kind of pissed
Speaker 3: me off is because it's like, it's so tropy. It's
Speaker 3: just so tropy.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There was so many elements about this episode that was awesome.
Speaker 3: It was fantastic. Was probably one of the better sci
Speaker 3: fi television episodes horror Wise, there was, but it was
Speaker 3: so tropy it took me out in that elementally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right for the beginning, the characters in this episode
Speaker 1: of clearly never seen a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the enterprise.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, yeah, I don't think they have movie nights
Speaker 1: like the NXO one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they watch old school movies.
Speaker 1: But to bring she recounts a story too Spock that
Speaker 1: she'd only ever told Spock in order to try and
Speaker 1: prove to him that she's real. But then Spock calls
Speaker 1: her out and it's like, well, you're just in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could just be coming from my brain. So anyway, Lan,
Speaker 1: she's down in engineering and she's watching more of Harper's logs,
Speaker 1: and we see something walking up behind her, and then
Speaker 1: it does get up to her and it touches her shoulder,
Speaker 1: and she seems to think that it Spock.
Speaker 3: Right like, and she touches the hand back and still
Speaker 3: thinks and spot like.
Speaker 1: She was that confident that it sounded like Spock walking
Speaker 1: up behind her and engineering, yeah, and then yeah, she's
Speaker 1: touching this hand on her shoulder, which ends up being
Speaker 1: like zombie Harber.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if you thought it was spucked. You don't
Speaker 3: turn around at all on a creepy ship and be
Speaker 3: like just to make sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then it vanishes. So Kirk is seen then
Speaker 1: back on the bridge working through the common station.
Speaker 2: And I didn't mention it earlier.
Speaker 1: He had a little toy for his son David in
Speaker 1: his you know, like his go bag, I guess.
Speaker 2: But somehow that little toy ended up in the ready
Speaker 2: room on the bridge.
Speaker 1: So but then he hears a baby in the comm's
Speaker 1: console there, Wow, he took out.
Speaker 2: It creeps you out.
Speaker 3: It took me out where he phones the baby the wall?
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Well in the console? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, yeah, because because they can say it
Speaker 3: with the troops. He walks towards the noise, bends down
Speaker 3: in the dik, snaps back up towards it again, walks
Speaker 3: up slowly, and he thinks there's a baby in the wall. Like,
Speaker 3: what would make you think there was an actual baby
Speaker 3: in the wall even if you heard it? You have
Speaker 3: to is there, stifling captain of your train for these scenarios,
Speaker 3: what would make you instantly think that this is what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 1: I suppose when people are going crazy they don't actually
Speaker 1: know that they're going crazy. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess so, yeah, it is one of those things.
Speaker 1: Spocking to Pring, they're working on trying to get the
Speaker 1: door to Sick Bay open and they're messing with the.
Speaker 2: Wires and stuff. But then to Pring she's stuns Spock
Speaker 2: with a phaser. Okay, cool, something's happening. Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: like we do.
Speaker 1: Jump around quite a lot in this between like the
Speaker 1: bridge and Engineering and Sick Bay. But there are a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of figures in Engineering talking to Laan all right,
Speaker 1: Like they'd be at least a hundred of them, if
Speaker 1: not more, you know, all different races.
Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned it. Cool shirt by the way, Steve
Speaker 2: with Hammer on it, and.
Speaker 3: You thought of it because they saw the dead Andorians behind. Yes,
Speaker 3: I thought one of them was hamp Hammer and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not, because you're in a different ship.
Speaker 1: So it was like there was Andorians, there was humans.
Speaker 1: I think they might even have been at Norse can
Speaker 1: in there at some point as well.
Speaker 3: Did join Starfleet.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but it might not have been
Speaker 2: a Norseic and it was.
Speaker 3: It was that an individual Kit just probably joined.
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, like we've got water just joined stuff on.
Speaker 2: So I guess I.
Speaker 3: Remember of star Fleet. Well I was thinking of myself,
Speaker 3: they're a member of Starfleet now, but they're not. They
Speaker 3: would just have peace the star Fleet, so.
Speaker 1: Well at peace with the feder Yeah. So Stock comes
Speaker 1: to and he's strapped to the table in sick bay.
Speaker 3: I did it really happened to him?
Speaker 1: She tells so to Pring, you know, she tells him
Speaker 1: that his humanity is not his weakness, but it is
Speaker 1: his strength. Then she gets these surgical shears and cuts
Speaker 1: off the tips of his ears in order to make
Speaker 1: him more human, just the tip I do. But they
Speaker 1: graphically showed that too.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it was.
Speaker 1: It was more graphic Star Trek episodes in a way,
Speaker 1: like we have some some graphic things in Star Trek before.
Speaker 1: But cutting the tips off of a fwkin's ears that
Speaker 1: was like wow. And then they were bleeding green, which
Speaker 1: I appreciated that they kept blood green.
Speaker 2: I did appreciate that.
Speaker 3: This is definitely the most glory, the most blood, the
Speaker 3: most maniacal we've seen Side Trek.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so they have.
Speaker 3: To be, especially as one of the deaths that we'll talk.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kirk, he's freaking out looking for his son. Then
Speaker 1: we get Pike, Sam Kirk, Whura owner, and Erica Ortegas.
Speaker 2: They all beam in.
Speaker 1: So I will say it, and I've said it before,
Speaker 1: I really love their Away Team jackets.
Speaker 2: They're cool. I really want one.
Speaker 3: Pretty much everything they wear.
Speaker 1: These uniforms that they have on Strange New Worlds are
Speaker 1: so clean and crisp and awesome to look at.
Speaker 2: They are very very.
Speaker 3: Good in the Beger. His his definite, definite pull towards
Speaker 3: like the the older version of the side Trek style
Speaker 3: of uniforms. You can see it in his two a
Speaker 3: lot more compared to Pikes or everybody else's. You can
Speaker 3: see the filtering in of different elements of the original series.
Speaker 3: You know, love that they actually do.
Speaker 1: So the Away Team they can't actually get coms out either,
Speaker 1: so and then who or she heads over to like
Speaker 1: the comms console and it's just yeah, it's a mess
Speaker 1: of wires and you know parts. And then Kirk admits
Speaker 1: that he heard his son David in the console and
Speaker 1: he basically broke it trying to get him out. So
Speaker 1: I think it's at that point the Away Team there
Speaker 1: sort of is like with there's some weird going on here.
Speaker 3: Oh well you don't say. Yeah, it pissed me off
Speaker 3: so bad watching this one.
Speaker 1: They figured out though, that they may be able to
Speaker 1: beam off of the ship one at a time. So
Speaker 1: there's not enough power to beam everyone off in one hit,
Speaker 1: but they might be able to beam everyone off one
Speaker 1: at a time, so they'll give that a crack. So
Speaker 1: Sam Kirk he sort of consoles his brother a bit though,
Speaker 1: so because you know, as we know Sam, he works
Speaker 1: on the enterprise at this point. Yeah, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to console his brother. So Lan she starts to head
Speaker 1: up to the bridge, but on her way up, the
Speaker 1: turbolift stops at deck seventeen, and she's like okay, and
Speaker 1: she tries to get it to go again, and then
Speaker 1: it stops at deck seventeen, and then again a third time,
Speaker 1: and it stops at deck seventeen. So it just seems
Speaker 1: to be stuck there. Doesn't want to go anywhere, so
Speaker 1: she gets off, but there is a heap of plastic
Speaker 1: sheeting or hanging around in the hallway in deck seventeen.
Speaker 1: So from what I can gather, deck seventeen seems to
Speaker 1: be like a crew quarter's deck.
Speaker 2: Why the hell is there a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: Of like it looks like painters sheeting hanging around, Like
Speaker 1: were they they just happened to be in the middle
Speaker 1: of like renovations when it's a very odd or was
Speaker 1: it just there Someone's like, Oh, let's make it look
Speaker 1: more creepy and put some plastic sheeting up.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I took out of it. Originally
Speaker 3: I was like, this screams lake like some weird warehouse
Speaker 3: in Detroit where the serial killer has people tied up
Speaker 3: in some oddly electrical place that has electricity, but it
Speaker 3: has these typeshile around it.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so she goes into one of the quarters.
Speaker 1: She finds blood on the wall, right, but then she
Speaker 1: finds this cool knife. Like, I actually really liked the
Speaker 1: look of that knife.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 3: Was it kleanon? It was not a regular traditional clean ion.
Speaker 1: But it's to me it had a little bit of
Speaker 1: vibes of like a thinner tracker knife. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen a track of knife before very much,
Speaker 1: but I had those kind of vibes to me, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of cookery vibes from like a Gurkha knife.
Speaker 3: That's what I get out of it. That's when I
Speaker 3: get out of it, like the angle to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who was held.
Speaker 1: It could have been a bit of a mixture between
Speaker 1: the two. I'm going to see if I can find
Speaker 1: out what that knife is actually and who makes it,
Speaker 1: you see, if there are any over here that we
Speaker 1: can get so because it was definitely cool, but we
Speaker 1: find out that that quarters is actually Harper Quarters.
Speaker 2: So the security chief of the Griffin.
Speaker 1: Laan, keeps seeing these recordings in all of these different
Speaker 1: consoles all the time.
Speaker 2: But then Laan smashes it. So Hura comes.
Speaker 3: From she smashes it because it's herself. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 3: she's like, what the hell and she just smashes the thing.
Speaker 1: Back back in sick bay to bring us starting to
Speaker 1: cut the bottom right hand side of Spock's shirt off. Now,
Speaker 1: if anybody knows anything about vulcan physiology, the bottom right
Speaker 1: hand side is where their heart is.
Speaker 2: So I can't remember what episode that.
Speaker 1: They mentioned that in, but yeah, that is where the
Speaker 1: vulcan heart is. So, which is not smart having your
Speaker 1: heart in the stomach area because it doesn't have the
Speaker 1: protection of your rib cage, but they apparently that's where
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: The Klingons have redundant Oregon for everything.
Speaker 1: So so at that point though Una and Pike they
Speaker 1: come in and to Bring is then just gone.
Speaker 2: So it's like it snaps snaps Spock out of whatever
Speaker 2: he's in and to Bring has just disappeared.
Speaker 3: So that brings him into a different area.
Speaker 1: So Sam and Jim Kirk are both on the bridge
Speaker 1: and Sam then starts to talk about.
Speaker 2: The toy and you know how he.
Speaker 1: You know, buys toys for his kid. Jim asks him
Speaker 1: how he manages to balance family with staff leet, which
Speaker 1: is a really good question for him to be asking
Speaker 1: his brother, considering his brother has a family already with
Speaker 1: two kids, and you know, he's trying to have his
Speaker 1: own family himself with you know, young David and Carol.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was a good character brotherly moment.
Speaker 1: I really I did like that. But then Sam starts
Speaker 1: to hear his own kid, Peter. So now this hallucinations
Speaker 1: is starting to spread to the away team that comes
Speaker 1: come to rescue them. But Jim he's realized at this
Speaker 1: point that it's not real, and he starts to tell
Speaker 1: him that it's not real, but the doors to the
Speaker 1: bridge sea.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so Lan and Erica they've gone to the transporter
Speaker 1: room with a her to try and beam out one
Speaker 1: by one, and.
Speaker 2: Erica's like, yep, I'll go first.
Speaker 3: Essentially, holy hey, she written lyon realizes that they're there.
Speaker 3: After she smashes the screen and it looks up and
Speaker 3: realizes that they're on the ship. Now just popped into
Speaker 3: like into the scenario right then and there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like, where the fuck did they come from?
Speaker 2: They're trying to beam her out.
Speaker 1: Well, Lahana is trying to beat Erica out, and from
Speaker 1: what I could gather, she was almost being folded in
Speaker 1: on herself until.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Huah tried to stop her.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, she ended up putting her in like
Speaker 1: the transport a buffer to save her. Because I was
Speaker 1: I was almost expecting that we were going to see
Speaker 1: Erica in like this pile of meat mess on the.
Speaker 3: Floor, kind of like the motion picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what.
Speaker 3: I just watched. I just watched it last week, so
Speaker 3: so I was like, I've been watching him in a row,
Speaker 3: So I'm up to you know, the search the spot
Speaker 3: towards the end of it, but that same thing happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And watching Kirk speak at facet of that one was
Speaker 3: it was right when he takes over the ship, you know,
Speaker 3: and realizes he has a no, a damn thing about
Speaker 3: the enterpriser. Yep.
Speaker 1: So Pike and Una they put Spock back into sick
Speaker 1: Bay right onto.
Speaker 2: The biobed and basically tie him down again.
Speaker 1: Una starts to cut herself with a scalpel, like, oh, I.
Speaker 3: Hated this whole thing because I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: like that either.
Speaker 1: So even in other movies and stuff, I hate seeing
Speaker 1: I know, obviously it's not real, but I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate seeing people cutting themselves, and I hate seeing
Speaker 1: druggies giving themselves needles with drugs and stuff as well.
Speaker 2: Its me out, amen, that's up.
Speaker 3: But there was this movie growing up called It's remember
Speaker 3: Stevo from Jackass yea, And there's this movie about his
Speaker 3: drug addiction is alcohol addiction. It's called Peace CP Saved
Speaker 3: My Life. The freaking opening seed of that is him
Speaker 3: shooting up her h underneath the bridge and you're like,
Speaker 3: what what is going on? Like I was into, Like,
Speaker 3: I just felt disgusting the entire time watching it. And
Speaker 3: you know we were younger, all my buddies and watching
Speaker 3: and I'm still there.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, no, it's yeah, I just hate seeing it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm okay with obviously in the army, I've had
Speaker 1: plenty of like vaccinations and needles, and you know, I've
Speaker 1: given blood and I'm happy to like put my own
Speaker 1: ID and stuff in.
Speaker 2: I can do that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But as soon as it's got anything to do with
Speaker 1: drugs or people cutting themselves.
Speaker 2: And stuff, yeah, I do not like it at all.
Speaker 1: Obviously, not worried about not worried about blood and things.
Speaker 1: It's just the idea of somebody cutting into themselves for well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it creeps me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I give blood plasma and you know in the
Speaker 3: in the main vein of your arm here, Like that
Speaker 3: doesn't bug me out, and I'm actually really good with it,
Speaker 3: but seeing somebody do it's.
Speaker 1: Like I'm that type of person that when I have
Speaker 1: a blood test or something done, I will literally watch
Speaker 1: the blood come out into the vial. I'm fine with that,
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, drugs and people, you know, self harming.
Speaker 2: I just don't like it.
Speaker 3: And I love drugs numbs kids.
Speaker 1: Uh Anyway, so Sam and Jim Kirk they're trying to
Speaker 1: pry the doors open to the bridge so they can
Speaker 1: get out of the bridge. But then the view screen
Speaker 1: starts to crack. Now, this is probably one of the
Speaker 1: more graphic scenes of the whole episode. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is the.
Speaker 3: Most graphic scene in Sidetrack.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam starts to get caught and you know, blown
Speaker 1: pulled out through the hole in the view screen and
Speaker 1: then we see his body as a floating mess of
Speaker 1: and like mince mate and blood in space.
Speaker 3: It was like, whoa, can we talk about this for
Speaker 3: a second because I didn't like the episode. It is
Speaker 3: what it is. I don't think it was a bad episode.
Speaker 3: It's just not for me. That's actually thought. It was
Speaker 3: a good episode, just not for me the way that
Speaker 3: so when he hit the glass, I said, he can't
Speaker 3: just stop the air. You can't have him. He has
Speaker 3: to die this way because the amount of vacuum on
Speaker 3: his back exposed in the pressure, but just on his
Speaker 3: actual skin, it would suck liquid out of you. And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened to him. And I'm like yes,
Speaker 3: as it was going, I was like yeah, typically right,
Speaker 3: and then boom, you know, he gets out, But what
Speaker 3: killed the scene for me graphically wise, as he's floating away,
Speaker 3: you see all the spring of all that, and he's
Speaker 3: all messed up, and you're like, that's exactly how he
Speaker 3: would die right there. But what but took me out
Speaker 3: at the end of it is so Jim gets the
Speaker 3: doors open and like that suction is coming through the
Speaker 3: view screen, that whole entire cabin has been depressurized and
Speaker 3: he is able to open the doors up at that point,
Speaker 3: fall through the other side without holding onto anything, and
Speaker 3: go no to his brother. But meanwhile that vacuum is
Speaker 3: still happening twenty feet away from Yeah, you're right, So
Speaker 3: so scientifically speaking, you know, they got the gore part right,
Speaker 3: but not like the actual science of what can happen
Speaker 3: to somebody who's trying to escape.
Speaker 2: That's right, It will make sense at the end.
Speaker 3: I know why it does make sense because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like spoilers, it's all in their mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, spoiler spoilert for the whole episode that we already
Speaker 3: said was spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: She's just trying to escape from La'an, like Ohura is
Speaker 1: freaking the hell out because Laana had like tried to
Speaker 1: turn Erica inside out basically with the transporter. Then Hura
Speaker 1: gets slashed by Harper or what we think is Harper,
Speaker 1: but it turns out that all along Harper has basically
Speaker 1: been Laan in her own mind, and it was slashes
Speaker 1: of her.
Speaker 3: Did you see that at one point though?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well yeah you kind of you guess that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it kind of made sense with the when she smashed
Speaker 2: that view screen in the quarters.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's where I first got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So and then Laan has this creepier smile
Speaker 1: about slashing ra.
Speaker 3: So I actually liked it because we've talked about that.
Speaker 3: We think she's beautiful.
Speaker 2: She's beautiful, beautiful woman.
Speaker 3: You don't get to see her like really smile, smile
Speaker 3: that much and have a lot of emotion because she's
Speaker 3: very stoic. She's she's a.
Speaker 2: Creepy smile.
Speaker 3: It was creepy, but I was like, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Some actors, you you look at them and the way
Speaker 1: they portray the character. And I'll use Richard Dean Anderson
Speaker 1: for instance, like the way he plays Colonel O'Neill in Stargate.
Speaker 1: That to me from the videos and stuff I've seen
Speaker 1: of Richard Dean Anderson seems like that is like there's
Speaker 1: so much of Richard Dean Anderson.
Speaker 2: In that character. But Ahn, it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like there's there's no Christina Chong in that
Speaker 1: character of lan Like she's such a lovely person, and
Speaker 1: like Lanen is lovely in her own way, but she's
Speaker 1: so you know, stoic and you know, very stern and everything.
Speaker 1: Christina Chong not like that. So yeah, hats off to
Speaker 1: her with her acting.
Speaker 2: Great. Yeah, but I like.
Speaker 3: Her character a lot in the show. And I think
Speaker 3: I've told you before, and I don't gravitate towards a
Speaker 3: lot of the characters overall, and Benga I do.
Speaker 2: And Beanger.
Speaker 1: He's probably I think I've said it before. He's probably
Speaker 1: my favorite in the whole show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, He's one of the type star Trek actors in general.
Speaker 3: For me, it's like like every single thing that he
Speaker 3: does in every single scene or five second clip, like
Speaker 3: at the end of the show, you know, at the
Speaker 3: end of this last week's episode, you know, when he
Speaker 3: talks to Blake, it's just so on point and it's
Speaker 3: very well done. It's not overused. His characters perfect of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Now, her wins in the hall.
Speaker 1: She stabs him straight through with this knife, like from
Speaker 1: the front and it goes all the way through out
Speaker 1: the back as well.
Speaker 2: Like wow, I wasn't real too, really yeah, real, this
Speaker 2: is not in their mind. This is just part.
Speaker 1: And she runs him through hard. Then we see back
Speaker 1: in Sick Bay, Pike is cooking. Spock is still tied
Speaker 1: up again, and this is graphic as hell too.
Speaker 3: I don't like this. This is the worst part for me.
Speaker 1: He is cutting his own fingers off into chunks.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've done it as a twenty five year former
Speaker 3: chef for somebody who's actually cut like literally the tip
Speaker 3: of my finger off. I don't know how it's grown back.
Speaker 3: It took me out intec. I'm like, it just brought
Speaker 3: me back to that ultimate pain, bro.
Speaker 1: When I was about or eleven, I cut the tip
Speaker 1: of my index finger here off and I had to
Speaker 1: have it sewn back on.
Speaker 2: And there's no feeling in the end of that finger.
Speaker 3: Now I still have finger feeling in both of them
Speaker 3: that I did it too. But I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 3: I don't even know how he looks even remotely norm Walkers.
Speaker 3: I mean, I cut just that feeling of see him
Speaker 3: do it. I think I know it was fake, but
Speaker 3: it's just like.
Speaker 1: Anyway, a Pike Key collapses after he's cut his fingers off,
Speaker 1: and then Spock asks them to let him, yeah, let
Speaker 1: everybody else go, and to take him like he's willing
Speaker 1: to sacrifice himself in order to protect the rest of his.
Speaker 2: Crew, which is awesome logical yep, absolutely this went.
Speaker 1: Spring comes at him with a cleaver and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's free, and she's gone like wow,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So then Kirk is trying to get away from.
Speaker 1: La arm so Lane tells Jim his little boy is
Speaker 1: going to die just like him at the end of
Speaker 1: a blade in a dark corner of space.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Massive foreshadowing, massive foreshadowing.
Speaker 3: Its shadowed.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Anyway, At that point is when they all get beamed
Speaker 1: out of the Griffin back to the Enterprise. So Pike
Speaker 1: is there, everybody else essentially is there, and it's at
Speaker 1: that point where it's definitely made clear to all of
Speaker 1: us that the away team that had gone to rescue
Speaker 1: them on the Griffin, we're not actually there. So it
Speaker 1: was all in their mind the whole time.
Speaker 3: What did you instantly think? So for me, in this scene,
Speaker 3: what were you thinking when they're being done to the.
Speaker 1: Ship And while I was like, Okay, that's definitely not real,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm hoping that this is actually happening
Speaker 1: at this point that they have been rescued, that's what all.
Speaker 2: What were you thinking?
Speaker 3: Get him to the medical bay and is immediately somebody
Speaker 3: goes over to an emergency medical beam, to emergency beam
Speaker 3: out to medical bay. Boom, right the medical bay.
Speaker 2: They all stood there like this, yeah, really he stunned.
Speaker 3: They're off trained from That's why it always gets me this.
Speaker 3: They're all trained professionals on five year mission a long
Speaker 3: period of time. The man is stabbed right in front
Speaker 3: of him on the ground and they're all standing there
Speaker 3: like like I get being shocked. Maybe in the third
Speaker 3: second somebody actually moves. I don't know. That just took
Speaker 3: me out. I have somebody do something.
Speaker 1: I have seen any a soldier in my career on
Speaker 1: operations freeze up in the middle of enemy action or
Speaker 1: or when someone has been shot or you know, stabbed
Speaker 1: or something or has a graphic injury.
Speaker 2: People just do they freeze up. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 2: much training. It just happens to some people. It doesn't
Speaker 2: tend to happen.
Speaker 3: Does that happen to every single person in the room.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it could.
Speaker 3: Somebody's going to be like, somebody's going to have a
Speaker 3: straight mind to be like, yeah, being shocked. Shocked factor
Speaker 3: is definitely a thing, but somebody's gonna do something. You've
Speaker 3: seen it plenty of times. People can just snap into
Speaker 3: snap into that fucking scenario no matter what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see people who can't, but there's tons of people
Speaker 3: who also can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at this point out of it. Jim Kirk
Speaker 2: straight away though, all credit to him.
Speaker 1: He asks about his brother straight away because he's like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't real.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, Pike is like, he's on shore leave
Speaker 2: and arge he then drops the knife.
Speaker 1: So we go to a little bit later now and
Speaker 1: Benga is having a bit of a chat to Pike
Speaker 1: about the whole thing, and they this is where they
Speaker 1: talk about Division twelve again. Now, this is where we
Speaker 1: find out that Pike he has reported I think he
Speaker 1: said six different things to Division.
Speaker 2: Twelve through his career, and he yeah, a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Had found out to be like aliens and stuff, but
Speaker 1: a few of them they still don't know what they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they also Pike doesn't even know where Division twelve's
Speaker 1: base of operations is.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know more about Division twelve?
Speaker 1: I really yes, Yeah, it would make an interesting book
Speaker 1: at least, you know, I'm not going to say it
Speaker 1: all don't don't show.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want another you know, shitty failed Section thirty
Speaker 1: one movie type of thing. I don't want a Division
Speaker 1: twelve movie like that.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you. Yes, it just popped
Speaker 3: into my head because you know, they used to do
Speaker 3: this a lot with shows, when with with like little
Speaker 3: tidbits like this, and they'd fill in a whole storyline.
Speaker 3: Star Trek is a huge example of it, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's the background character then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you got his whole entire story out of it. Do
Speaker 3: they currently make Strange New World comics that kind of
Speaker 3: fill in some of the storylines that we are seeing?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've got heaps of Star Trek books like
Speaker 1: you know, current anything current like this show.
Speaker 2: I can't say that I have seen any.
Speaker 1: No, actually I need to do that. Strange New World comics, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they are.
Speaker 3: But are they I wonder if they're tying them in
Speaker 3: with the events that take place in the show, or
Speaker 3: if they're you know, like a separate story, you know,
Speaker 3: because I do know, like me and you have gone
Speaker 3: with some of the books that I have here to
Speaker 3: my left, some of them are adjacent to the stories
Speaker 3: that we've seen on screen. Love that because it fills
Speaker 3: in those little gaps, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 3: make a full movie about it, just tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit of story about it.
Speaker 1: I've lived all around the country in the Army, and yeah,
Speaker 1: like where I currently live, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: we've got a local comic book store.
Speaker 3: We have a ton here in the States that are
Speaker 3: actually still around. Nostalgia and video games and comics and
Speaker 3: all of that, and retro toys are like at the
Speaker 3: peak over here, so you can pretty.
Speaker 1: Much my seven year old and I we love playing
Speaker 1: retro games. We've got a like an old Nintendo sixty
Speaker 1: four and we've got like some game stick thing that
Speaker 1: plugs into the back of the TV that's got like
Speaker 1: ten thousand games on it as well, like Nintendo. We
Speaker 1: were playing with a Street Fighter two the other night.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the best one.
Speaker 2: Street fight to and pizza. That's what we did. It
Speaker 2: was great anyway.
Speaker 1: So Pike asks Embanga about Kirk and how he's going,
Speaker 1: and he says that they are healing physically, but they're
Speaker 1: all mentally damaged essentially from what they have experienced on
Speaker 1: board that ship.
Speaker 2: So instantly I was like this.
Speaker 3: Fucking damn it.
Speaker 1: Nurse Chap goes two Spock's quarters to fix his ears up,
Speaker 1: and she fixes them up good as new, because Spock
Speaker 1: had asked her to specifically come to his quarters to
Speaker 1: do it because of his experience of being in sick
Speaker 1: Bay and it was kind of creeping him out still,
Speaker 1: And she explains to him.
Speaker 2: That she's a little bit creeped out by.
Speaker 1: The mess hall because during the war they turned a
Speaker 1: mess hole into a like a triage slash operating bay
Speaker 1: type of thing, So that makes sense. It's like it
Speaker 1: is deeply dramatic, yeah, which makes sense to me, absolutely does.
Speaker 3: She's just too soft of a character for me. I
Speaker 3: can't take her.
Speaker 1: She does ask him like why to Pring, like was
Speaker 1: she probing for? Like why what wasn't her that he
Speaker 1: was thinking of? Like your relationship is done, like be
Speaker 1: done with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they don't they refuse to get her away
Speaker 3: from that, that style of storytelling. It seems like she's
Speaker 3: just meant to be a soft are you okay character?
Speaker 3: Let me get to your emotions. Yeah. I can't stand
Speaker 3: when she gets on stream now because I know that's
Speaker 3: what's going to be.
Speaker 1: Spock did say to her, though, that topring brought him
Speaker 1: back to logic, which makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she says, logical.
Speaker 1: So Laan goes to speak to Captain Pike and asks
Speaker 1: him about the report. It's not entirely accurate. It's not
Speaker 1: mentioned in there that she tried to kill Jim Kirk.
Speaker 1: He invites, Yeah, look, it is a detail that I
Speaker 1: understand why he didn't put that in his official report.
Speaker 2: But I also understand why he left it out too
Speaker 2: shame so it could vary.
Speaker 1: It easily have been in the report and been explained perfectly.
Speaker 2: Not trouble, Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 1: But he he invites her for a drink in the
Speaker 1: in the quarters there, and he tells some story about
Speaker 1: when he was a kid in his uncle's barn, how
Speaker 1: the other kids had told him that there was some
Speaker 1: creepy spirit or something in there.
Speaker 3: With a safe or something.
Speaker 1: Like that, and he was like, well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: sleep in there overnight, but then here he heard some
Speaker 1: noises and rushed out and he ends up with this
Speaker 1: massive cut on him and the end at the time,
Speaker 1: he thought maybe he scraped a nail or something, but
Speaker 1: you know, nobody could find anything. No, nothing he got
Speaker 1: cut on that they could find. So it's another unexplained phenomenon,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: And it said said something to him as well, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he said he's still got that scar, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he said he heard something, didn't he.
Speaker 3: We had said something specific to him, and that really
Speaker 3: creeped him up. That made him have the belief of
Speaker 3: anything that's kind of possible.
Speaker 1: At the same time, ahurah, she's going now to help
Speaker 1: Jim Kirk reach out to Carol and their son David,
Speaker 1: and she offers him some cookies, which I thought was nice.
Speaker 3: You know me, man, I ain't got time for any
Speaker 3: of this. At the end of the it seemed so
Speaker 3: hand fisted and so forced every time that everybody needs
Speaker 3: to talk about their emotions on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, toad out. But then we see Harper in
Speaker 1: the window.
Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Love loved it seeing Harper or is that actually Harper
Speaker 1: that we're saying because as we know, Division twelve is
Speaker 1: taking that ship.
Speaker 2: Now to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that ship, it doesn't seem that damaged either.
Speaker 1: So could that ship, once they finished their investigation, be
Speaker 1: sent to a shipyards and be re christened.
Speaker 3: Possibility. And I love how they trail the ship. They
Speaker 3: told the ship directly next to the Enterprise and her
Speaker 3: window happens to be overlooking it. And even though these
Speaker 3: three characters had monumental traumatic experiences, they decide in this
Speaker 3: vastest of the space to arrive right next to each other.
Speaker 3: Just just it's just so funny. It's like, hey, I
Speaker 3: know you had an issue that alligator, bigger arm off,
Speaker 3: We're gonna trail next to you and you get to
Speaker 3: look out of the It's just weird to me that there.
Speaker 2: Ends the episode.
Speaker 1: So overall, Yeah, you said you didn't like the episode,
Speaker 1: Steve wasn't your favorite or.
Speaker 3: It's not for me. It's not that I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Was it well done? Was it too like too many
Speaker 1: tropes in there and too cliche?
Speaker 3: And that's what kind of got me out of it
Speaker 3: is there was a lot of predictability, a lot of troops,
Speaker 3: a lot of like, why the hell are you doing
Speaker 3: this this way? It's in number one. It's a horror
Speaker 3: in sci fi, any horror in sci fi. It's just
Speaker 3: not what I'm looking for in sci fi. It's not
Speaker 3: what I'm I don't like horror movies in general, so
Speaker 3: it's not what I.
Speaker 2: I was looking for in Star Trek. Like, don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong, I like horror in sci fi. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Not that I watch a lot of horror stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Star Trek, I don't know. It didn't like
Speaker 1: it was a good episode for me.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I really did like it overall. In parts I thought
Speaker 1: it was probably too graphic. Four Star Trek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, yes, we're now
Speaker 1: in a streaming era, so they can get away with
Speaker 1: this stuff, and they can do swearing, and they can
Speaker 1: do more blood and gore and stuff because it is
Speaker 1: streaming instead of network TV.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: If this was your jumping in point to Strange New
Speaker 1: Worlds after coming from like the Next Generation or Dares
Speaker 1: nine or Voyager, that would probably be a bit of
Speaker 1: a shocking episode just to jump in at.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, and especially after how well they hit the
Speaker 3: element of last week's episode and they showed. What got
Speaker 3: me hopeful for this season was last week's episode because
Speaker 3: they nailed every element of what Star Trek is in
Speaker 3: my opinion, they really did, And for this week's episode,
Speaker 3: it just kind of felt like it was like an
Speaker 3: Earthbound episode. You know, it was very contained, it was
Speaker 3: very It just seemed like they could have done a
Speaker 3: lot more, and I wanted them to really hit a
Speaker 3: strange new world almost every episode of this season, you know,
Speaker 3: especially after what they get been given us the past
Speaker 3: couple of seasons, which you know, for me, was about
Speaker 3: a sea. When it comes to storyteller and execution, Star
Speaker 3: Trek visually pretty much anything nowadays visually it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It's gonna look banging. And I do think Star Trek
Speaker 3: in particular looks very, very very good. Another show that
Speaker 3: that nails at its foundation when it comes to the visuals.
Speaker 3: But Storyteller is going to lackluster. I think they nailed
Speaker 3: a lot of this, but it's just not for me.
Speaker 3: It's very predictable, very trilly.
Speaker 1: But anyway, next week, Season four, episode three is called
Speaker 1: Human Best Friend. Okay, so we'll see what that's all about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So for those that don't know, I am now putting
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Speaker 1: the episode is human best Friend.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming along, Steve, and we'll catch on. Bye.