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<v Speaker 2>The Film Board gathers this month a gang comes together

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about Ryan Cougler's latest genre blender. It's called Sinners,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's what happens when a guy like Coogler watches

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<v Speaker 2>interview with the Vampire, the Color Purple and Blade on

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<v Speaker 2>the same night and thinks, Yeah, let's do all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been going a long time. Be back now, you twins, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>we cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>There are legends of people with the gift of making music,

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<v Speaker 3>so true Nick and conscious spirits from the path and

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<v Speaker 3>the future. This gift can bring fame and fortune. Somebody

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<v Speaker 3>take me, but it also can piece the veil between

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<v Speaker 3>life and death.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen here, this ain't no house party.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship.

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<v Speaker 3>You're all ready to drink, y'all all ready to sweat

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<v Speaker 3>to y'all stinks you keep dancing with the devil. Careful boy,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna bite off more than you can cheot. One day,

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<v Speaker 3>he's gonna follow you home because it's a problem. Now

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<v Speaker 3>the hell going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we heard tale of a party.

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<v Speaker 3>This world already left you for dead. I can save

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<v Speaker 3>you from your fate.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need no saving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes you do, and you will. I am. You're way out,

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<v Speaker 3>don't care. It's all better now, Yes, a lot. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really imagine ghosts, dems, just power.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody please take.

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<v Speaker 2>The moon is high, the air is thick with blues

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<v Speaker 2>and blood, and somewhere down a dusty Mississippi back road,

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<v Speaker 2>a juke joint that just opens its doors to the

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<v Speaker 2>damned and to our panel. If you hear a fiddle

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<v Speaker 2>playing behind him, it's not background music, it's a warning.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Tommy Mets the Third, happy to be here, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, and he once tried to make a deal at

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<v Speaker 2>a crossroads but left early because the vibes were off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Andy Nelson, how howdy back again?

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<v Speaker 2>This movie doesn't even start with with an A oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, that was your nor an m that was

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<v Speaker 2>our thing? Was ms okay right and I beat right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to celebrate family trauma and the harmonica right

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<v Speaker 2>along with the rest of you. It's sinners, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>gracious Sinners.

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<v Speaker 3>The movie was I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it's fair to say underappreciated early on when the

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<v Speaker 2>news of the movie came out. I don't think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people were talking about this movie as as

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a thing, until suddenly everybody was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this movie as it was going to be a thing, like.

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<v Speaker 3>All it spitting war over it. I think, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also a legacy project. Apparently he's been working on

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<v Speaker 2>this for in the back of his mind for years,

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty five years, thinking about getting this movie made,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is finally here. So let us do the

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<v Speaker 2>the opening thoughts segment sponsored by Tom Metz. Tom, would

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<v Speaker 2>you like to go first?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it sponsor byb.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that one time you got so mad when I

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<v Speaker 2>cut open.

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<v Speaker 3>You went on past opening thoughts and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I did, but my beautiful opening they're right here. I

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<v Speaker 3>brought them for you, right opening thoughts. Sorry. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 3>was excited and a little nervous about this movie because

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<v Speaker 3>I am not a vampire head. I love horror movies,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm certainly vampires are not one of those. But

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<v Speaker 3>when I saw the trailer, while I was afraid it

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<v Speaker 3>was maybe giving a lot away, it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 3>like what if? And I know you already did a

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<v Speaker 3>much cleverer than this is comparison, but it seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>what if vampires were in Black Snake Moan? Or what if?

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<v Speaker 3>From Dust Till Dawn was good? And so I went

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<v Speaker 3>into this hoping fingers crossed, thinking it might be a

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<v Speaker 3>good time. And it is so much movie. It is

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<v Speaker 3>so has so many big swings, and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>and it's so brave and weird and at times messy,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was one point where I was like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the swing that's not paying off, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it did. We'll get into it. I just really had

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<v Speaker 3>a great, great time. This movie takes it incredibly seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm fine with him. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so relieved I had. I was cursed this time

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<v Speaker 2>around because I saw it before both of you, just

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<v Speaker 2>in chronology, and I had to wait wondering if I

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy, and I think, thank thank god I got

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<v Speaker 2>to see Andy's review. Oh your I actually got to

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<v Speaker 3>Andy, what'd you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is an easy one to love. I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was already looking forward to it. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would be if nothing else, it would just

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<v Speaker 1>be a fun vampire movie to kind of like put

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<v Speaker 1>vampires in in this the Jack Crow era South and

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<v Speaker 1>or Jim his brother, Jim his brother he goes my

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<v Speaker 1>check in some parts would grow Jim Crow era South.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like that, that's that could be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I could have a fun time with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've got Michael B. Jordan twins.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, that's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see how he does kind of giving us the

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<v Speaker 1>two variations of a character and see if I buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I was just like, as I was watching,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like Ryan Kugler is doing like there's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>element that he's throwing into the vampire story that I

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<v Speaker 1>was really enjoying. The fact that the vampires saw what

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<v Speaker 1>like it didn't matter what color your skin was or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like you're just one big family and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all just what. They're all out there singing Irish jigs

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<v Speaker 1>and having a grand old time, and I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what vampires are at this particular point in time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Ryan Kugler was doing some interesting things with it,

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<v Speaker 2>Had a lot of fun, really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I beat real quick. The last thing that you texted

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<v Speaker 3>me before I saw the movie was I got you

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<v Speaker 3>said a God, I hope I'm not an island on this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I desperately wanted to write back after I saw

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. I'm sure the islands are nice this time,

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<v Speaker 3>but I loved it. Yeah, that was that was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be real, real.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad this this movie. I this is you know, every

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<v Speaker 2>once in a while, I come across a movie where

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<v Speaker 2>I really regret having seen the trailer. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>this movie's marketing, you know, was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>betrayal to some things that I thought were really fun

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<v Speaker 2>and and I wish I could have felt the more

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<v Speaker 2>original excitement, uh in those moments even as they were

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<v Speaker 2>they were playing by because I'd seen them. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>this is still I mean, like Andy said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>an easy movie to love. This movie is doing so much.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that it's what an hour before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into some serious juke joint territory, before we start seeing

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<v Speaker 2>smoking guy running across the prairie like this. Uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>movie takes such time and care and patience to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>these characters in such a robust way, like I really

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we can know them. And I guess, as

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I regret I saw the trailer. I apparently

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<v Speaker 2>didn't watch the trailer closely enough because in the trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael B. Jordan says, to you know, the clan guy

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<v Speaker 2>when he says, are you two twins? He says, nah,

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<v Speaker 2>we cousins. I thought I took that at face value.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, clearly their cousins, and he just casts

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<v Speaker 2>somebody looks an awful lot like Michael B.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>This The twinning was amazing in this movie was just outstanding.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cast perfectly. I just love it. I am exuberant.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked out and I immediately wanted to go see

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<v Speaker 2>it again. So, like we said, this movie was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a big deal for Koogler. It's his first holy

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<v Speaker 2>original screenplan, right. I mean, I guess if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>count you know, Dracula as original material, it's his first

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<v Speaker 2>solely original thing. Even Fruitvale Station was an adaptation of

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<v Speaker 2>something else, And you know, I find him an original director,

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<v Speaker 2>even when working in franchises like Rocky. What did you

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<v Speaker 2>think of the cooglarness of this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I think that I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Coogler is doing a lot to give us, to really

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<v Speaker 1>give us a sense of this world, and he's shaping

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<v Speaker 1>it fully by you know, as you guys have pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>we're really not even getting into the vampire part of

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<v Speaker 1>the story until a full hour in. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time to spend with us getting to know who

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<v Speaker 1>these characters are, getting a sense of the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>Smoke and Stack as far as like their interests, their

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<v Speaker 1>love interests, what they're both kind of like the attitude

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. And also you're meeting all these different people

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<v Speaker 1>in town, in and around town who are part of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, who might be helping them getting the jukes

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<v Speaker 1>juke joints set up, or you know, former relationships, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're really kind of getting this sense of them, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting a sense of the presence that these two

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<v Speaker 1>carry just by name, like everybody knows the Smokestack twins.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's it creates such an interesting way

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<v Speaker 1>to set our story up. And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Coogler did exceptionally is just take the time to

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<v Speaker 1>build this world and really give us, give us a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of these characters. The importance of music, I think

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<v Speaker 1>was such a key thing, and obviously it has been

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<v Speaker 1>for him in so many of his films because the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously his working relationships with Ludwig Gornson, who

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<v Speaker 1>has been composing his music now also executive producing the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, clearly he sees music as like a critical

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<v Speaker 1>element of the story, and to bring it into this

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<v Speaker 1>one in such a key way I think was a

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<v Speaker 1>part that probably was very important to Coogler to bring

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<v Speaker 1>into the story, but also ended up becoming such a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an amazing way to kind of tie this

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<v Speaker 1>world together, I think. So, I mean, those are elements

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<v Speaker 1>that I definitely see that Coogler's bringing in just his

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<v Speaker 1>passion for capturing fantastic images, you know. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw this in the seventy millimeter imax. I was lucky

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the film, I mean, maybe I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds is in the real wide screen that two

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<v Speaker 1>eight five to one, But then when it just goes

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<v Speaker 1>full screen, and some of those images. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's kind of explosive. It's just amazing what he

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<v Speaker 1>captured and how powerful those images hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting note Autumn derald Arkapa is the cinematographer behind this one,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is the first woman to shoot a feature

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<v Speaker 3>Wow that's great. Why just never thinking? Awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely fantastic. So Tom, what's your what's your sense

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<v Speaker 2>of this stuff? The look, the feel, the koogleritis?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I like, I love everything that Andy said, So

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, and like I want to rerecord his thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>okay with my voice and.

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<v Speaker 2>You can lay those I'm gonna have AI to this.

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<v Speaker 3>In addition, it makes a lot of sense that you say,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize that this was sort of a legacy

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<v Speaker 3>something that he has been wanting to do for a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. It really feels that way. This film feels

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<v Speaker 3>he takes some as to use my own phrases, he

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<v Speaker 3>takes some really big swings. I mean, there are musical sequences.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an entire sequence where the one I'll go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and get it out of the way, the one that

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<v Speaker 3>I was worried about is when the electric guitar shows up,

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<v Speaker 3>when the when the guy is showing you know how

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<v Speaker 3>well he can sing, and I was like, oh, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying something out here, and then it ended up

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<v Speaker 3>being one of my favorite parts of the entire movie,

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<v Speaker 3>bringing in all of the cultures, all of those different

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<v Speaker 3>things into one incredible sequence. Also the singing the Irish

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<v Speaker 3>jigs out in the woods like Andy said, and the

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<v Speaker 3>of that, they were just incredible sequences after incredible sequences.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also this movie really felt incredibly cinematic while

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<v Speaker 3>never feeling like a movie. It just feels so lived in.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love the importance of like watching the woman

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<v Speaker 3>go across the street to or the follow the daughter

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<v Speaker 3>to relieve the mother's for the mother to come up,

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<v Speaker 3>because it just makes that whole world seem completely three

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<v Speaker 3>sixty that you can turn everywhere, and it's just perfect

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<v Speaker 3>and so lived in and so much fun. And my

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<v Speaker 3>biggest compliment I can give it is before the vampires

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<v Speaker 3>showed up, I was fine with the movie we were in,

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<v Speaker 3>and when the vampires showed up, I was equally as

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<v Speaker 3>fine with the movie now instead of like waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>things to happen, I could have lived in either world

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<v Speaker 3>the entire time. And what a world it is. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's in a huge world. For a two hour movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like a legendary night. It really does without

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<v Speaker 3>feeling overlong. So I was a huge, huge fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys have any experience in that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the country, and you know, have you ever been to

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<v Speaker 3>second one, but yes to the first. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>have family members that live in towns that have been

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<v Speaker 3>restructured and have different names because they were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>keep certain races out. Yeah, there there are certain there.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them still live in towns where there are

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<v Speaker 3>black establishments and white establishments and they just don't really cross.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing part of the country. I actually it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost embarrassing to talk about it, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>on a I was on a trip with some some

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<v Speaker 2>Blues the Delta. We were doing the Blues Triangle, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we actually spent some time in Clarksdale, where this

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<v Speaker 2>movie is set. And we went to unincorporated Bolivar County, Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 2>where the last juke joint was when it was still open.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Poe Monkey's Juke Joint, and it literally is

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<v Speaker 2>still powered by the whole building is still powered by

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<v Speaker 2>like extension cables to a trunk on a pole that's

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<v Speaker 2>very far away, like they have to plug the building

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<v Speaker 2>in on the edge. It's a place that has been

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<v Speaker 2>around so long that people used to play pay for

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<v Speaker 2>their booze with sharecropper Wooden Nichols.

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<v Speaker 3>And the movie it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this this was filmed in Louisiana. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is from Louisiana. But I'll show you maybe

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<v Speaker 2>after some of the pictures of Clarksdale so you can

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<v Speaker 2>see what it looks like like it looks it felt

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<v Speaker 2>so familiar and so the movie, Like when I saw it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not in great straits, right, it's not looking great,

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<v Speaker 2>but the movie made it made this whole era feel

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<v Speaker 2>so optimistic and hopeful and good right like even when

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<v Speaker 2>they were you know, when he was out there and

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<v Speaker 2>he shot the guy in the butt and the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the knee for seiling, there was such an

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<v Speaker 2>air of like weird kindness around, like I regret doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had to shoot you in the butt and

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<v Speaker 2>you in the knee because you know, I have a reputation.

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<v Speaker 3>But they were all going to give you money to

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<v Speaker 3>get patched. Yeah, I actually one to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly exactly, So I found I'm I'm That was

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<v Speaker 2>what I was going to say too, Tom that that

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<v Speaker 2>the movie that they gave me to start with was

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic already, Like I wanted to see how that played out.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have sat in that for you know, another

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<v Speaker 2>hour and twenty minutes, and then it turns around and

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<v Speaker 2>gives us this incredible cultural explation of music. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to blues? Do you have the blues in your bones?

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<v Speaker 3>You? Guys? I had a friend growing up I'm still

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<v Speaker 3>a very very good friend of mine, Jason Small, and

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<v Speaker 3>he used to listen to blues when everyone else was

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<v Speaker 3>listening to Nirpana. So he got me into like Muddy Waters.

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<v Speaker 3>I never really got into it, but I was aware

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<v Speaker 3>of it, and now I love that music very much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, you know the aforementioned black Snake moan,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I love that kind of slide guitar any of

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff feels. So that's the other thing. This felt

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<v Speaker 3>like I was watching a live performance. Yeah, some of

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<v Speaker 3>the music things, and that's really hard to capture on film.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always just like, oh, whose friend's band is this?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what is the relation to the director? Because it's

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<v Speaker 3>just this weird cameo, And instead I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>Well and I uh, I mean, obviously it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be because of casting Miles Katan or cat and however

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<v Speaker 1>say his last name, but who I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>his first film, but I mean clearly he's a musician

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<v Speaker 1>and clearly he's got had an incredible voice and delivered

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<v Speaker 1>the performance.

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<v Speaker 3>Face yeah, because voice almost seems dubbed in a cool way.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was wild to see him and like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>see at the very very end of the credits that

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<v Speaker 1>the last old performance by him? It was, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just cool to see him delivering on that music and

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<v Speaker 1>you can just you can tell that more than filmmaking perhaps,

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<v Speaker 1>like music is wholly in his blood.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm going to show you Poe Monkeys just

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<v Speaker 2>because I found a picture of it. Oh wow, nice,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's the juke joint, right, there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they look like.

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<v Speaker 2>And they all they were, They littered the landscape of

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<v Speaker 2>of these plantations, these sharecropper plantations.

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<v Speaker 3>And because it looks tiny, maybe just.

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<v Speaker 2>It is tiny, but it's also very long, like it

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<v Speaker 2>goes back a little bit of a ways, right, and so,

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<v Speaker 2>but but it is deceiving. You're you were jammed in

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<v Speaker 2>there when you go in and there is all the

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<v Speaker 2>dancing and all of the booze and all of the

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<v Speaker 2>But again, the thing that I get away from it

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<v Speaker 2>that I think this movie does so well is it

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<v Speaker 2>celebrates the good feeling when you are in there and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I we walk in, as you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of white men and we're definitely it felt a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit shameful as kind of a tourist in this

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<v Speaker 2>culture we were, and yet we were welcome. We were welcomed,

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<v Speaker 2>and Poe Monkey himself came and sat down with us,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean it was and that's what this movie did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that I was really moved.

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<v Speaker 3>When you were visiting it. Did you have to wait

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<v Speaker 3>to be invited in? There was?

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<v Speaker 2>There was no question. Nobody stopped at the door. And

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<v Speaker 2>so so that piece I think is, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>when it turns into a different kind of movie. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and we get to see how these people kind of

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Think is the importance of the vampire story to this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you put any thought to that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I think that's what you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>found so interesting is that it was creating. Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we get this sense of, Okay, it's these two well

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<v Speaker 1>to do brothers who went to Chicago, supposedly made their

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<v Speaker 1>fortune and now are buying this building from clearly in KKK. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he says there's no KKDA on here, but

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of get a look at him. You're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a member. And so you're getting a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of the already a sense of kind of this time,

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<v Speaker 1>this time in the South, and you're getting a sense that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys might be able to handle it. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even without the vampires, we end up seeing where that

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<v Speaker 1>full story goes as we get to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the film. And so the vampire story this one where

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<v Speaker 1>he's like they're just all one big family. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>all share each other's thoughts and it's just like we're

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<v Speaker 1>all in happy and we love each other and like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Hayley Steinfeld's character says at one point. She's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, once we kill you, we'll all be It's

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<v Speaker 1>just all love. Like just like such an interesting way

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<v Speaker 1>to take that vampire story and thematically put it into

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<v Speaker 1>the deep redneck South, And I just thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting way to kind of use the vampire mythos

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of craft this story. And then we have

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<v Speaker 1>all of the people singing this, you know, the fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>irish jig that they do, and they're all in it,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're all having a grand old time. They're all

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<v Speaker 1>dancing and thumping and the main guy is doing his

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<v Speaker 1>little jig and everything, and like it was a blast watch.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're all as passionate with that song as when

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the club and they were singing that

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<v Speaker 1>song in there. It's like that music that connects us

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<v Speaker 1>was like an important part of it. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like then taking the vamporism as another element, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was such an interesting way to kind of use

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<v Speaker 1>that myth.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the vampires, what they're talking about is assimilation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it would become one of us, join us. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>like this movie in part is one of the ways,

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<v Speaker 3>saying the only way that can ever work is to

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<v Speaker 3>be damned, like, there's no good way to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jack O'Connor Connell Connor, my apologies. I think O'Connell

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<v Speaker 3>talks about how you know, the Christians came in or

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<v Speaker 3>the Catholics, whoever it was, came in and robbed him

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<v Speaker 3>of his life, but then he sort of took on

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<v Speaker 3>some of their stuff. I don't it's not a great

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<v Speaker 3>deal that the vampires are talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, but it seems so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the only way and it's really cool, like

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<v Speaker 3>to Andy's point to put it in the Gym South,

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<v Speaker 3>which is all about okay, we've brought you here, you

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<v Speaker 3>have won your freedom, and yet everything is based in

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<v Speaker 3>keeping us apart. Right. All the lines are about gatekeeping. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's it's kind of like they're the one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that united everybody is music. That's the one through line.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it, right, Yeah, but the music was very different, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's it. These are the perils of God,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Crow South, the perils of integration and the performative

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<v Speaker 2>was a really interesting model for me to watch them

422
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.480
<v Speaker 2>talk about how like we're gonna have to use American

423
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>like real federal currency. We can't use these wooden nickels.

424
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Well they're good at the general store. Well, that's part

425
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of the integration story. That is performative, that is fake

426
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:50.319
<v Speaker 2>that you know, this is a way we're going to

427
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>keep you separate from us. So, yeah, to your point,

428
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>it's not a good deal. It's giving up who you are,

429
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:02.039
<v Speaker 2>your own identity in exchange for yeah, being damned. I

430
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>think that's for in exchange for for nothing. And I

431
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.440
<v Speaker 2>think that makes it such a much more interesting story

432
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 2>than just another vampire story. It's a story about systemic

433
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>oppression and uh and and what an entire culture had

434
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>to leave behind in order to find some way forward

435
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.440
<v Speaker 2>by way of integration and uh it and the loss

436
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.839
<v Speaker 2>that comes from this is this is like a movie

437
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that is as much about mourning the loss of all

438
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that identity as it is about you know, fighting the bloodsuckers.

439
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 3>And try and tribalism across the board. Yeah, we are

440
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 3>hinted later at that they set off a war between

441
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 3>the Italians and the Irish yep in order to steal

442
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.960
<v Speaker 3>all their stuff and like this, I mean, it's just yeah,

443
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.640
<v Speaker 3>it's the needing to take over instead of all being

444
00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.920
<v Speaker 3>able to live separately equally. UH is also touched.

445
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>On, and we also get this going back to the music.

446
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:11.000
<v Speaker 1>They're drawn here because of the music that Sammy can

447
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>sing like he is one of these you know, we

448
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>get at the beginning, like these certain people who can

449
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>create such music that it can like touch on like

450
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>this cosmic level other people. And that's like that was

451
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>this draw for these vampires like he. When Remick comes,

452
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 1>he recognizes that you're the reason that we're here, Like,

453
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I need that because that can be the connection that

454
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I need to get back to some of those other elements.

455
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating what talk more about that, because that was the

456
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 2>piece that It's not like I didn't find it sort

457
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>of beautiful in its own right, but he the head vampire,

458
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 2>was going to use Sammy to unlock his connection to

459
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>his own ancestry.

460
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 3>You're in his past that the music can transcend life

461
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.240
<v Speaker 3>and death and can grit so the people that he's

462
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 3>lost after being alive for nine zillion vampire years, I

463
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.480
<v Speaker 3>think he would be able to bridge that connection.

464
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like what we see during that performance, like you're

465
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>seeing music from the past, from the future, from all

466
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 1>these different cultures like coming together, Like that would be

467
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.599
<v Speaker 1>his way to kind of like reach out to those

468
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 1>voices from his own past.

469
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like how Michael B. Jordan is able to

470
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 3>see his wife and his child, but he had to

471
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 3>die to do it. I think the idea is you

472
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 3>would be able to have that connection without having to

473
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 3>leave the I was gonna say mortal coil, but that's

474
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 3>not exactly the vampire whatever.

475
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Colo immortal, the immortal immortal coil.

476
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's just a real sort of Jacob's ladder journey, right,

477
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Like the sort of transcendent piece I find really interesting,

478
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.200
<v Speaker 2>And you guys appreciated that piece of it, right, the

479
00:26:58.519 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>musical transcendence.

480
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was going to say, did you not know?

481
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:06.039
<v Speaker 3>I did?

482
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Very very much? Are you kidding?

483
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 3>In the bag for this movie? That's really the lifeblood

484
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 3>of the movie. And it's almost like it's the way

485
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sort of chasing this thought like a hound. But

486
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 3>it's almost like the way that skin color or race

487
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 3>connects people, or tribalism connects people. You know that they're

488
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 3>saying that music is something that can cross, all boundaries

489
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 3>can cross. Everything really brings us together no matter what.

490
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.200
<v Speaker 1>And what was so interesting about that is when we

491
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>have that performance at the heart of the film, when

492
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>when what the narrator comes in and is talking about

493
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>how music can transcend you know, space and time. Essentially,

494
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>we're getting a lot of other African Americans performing those songs.

495
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.160
<v Speaker 1>But once we move into to Grace and follow her

496
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 1>as she goes into the back room to follow, you know,

497
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to find her husband where he's gambling, this is our

498
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Chinese couple. Suddenly we're seeing Chinese performers and everything, and

499
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 1>so it's like it doesn't matter. It's just like once

500
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you hear it and once it touches your soul, it

501
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of transcends whatever it is and you're in a

502
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 1>place where where it's connecting to you.

503
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Right.

504
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, just beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Okay, let's talk about

505
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Michael B. Jordan playing the Twins. Technically, technically, I did

506
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 2>not see anything that took me out of the movie.

507
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>And they were doing some amazing things with the twinning.

508
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 2>They were handing the cigarettes back and forth, they were

509
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I think the way that.

510
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 3>They start what I was talking to the confidence of

511
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 3>this movie. That's such a in a cool way, show

512
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 3>offye way to show how perfect it is. I just

513
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 3>what I was laughing about, was I just I wonder

514
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 3>if Barry Alto Knights Levinson has seen this movie and been.

515
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, are you doing it?

516
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 3>It's not just new people on opposite sides of the

517
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 3>screen staring right with a clear line in the wall between. No,

518
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>it's I mean, it's done so well and it knows

519
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 3>it and so right off the bat, it's breaking rules.

520
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Like I just don't understand how they did it other

521
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 3>than with modeled body doubling, you know, or masking or

522
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 3>something like that. But it's incredible, and they were so

523
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 3>cool and lived in they're both I want to hang

524
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 3>out with those guys, and they would not like it. No,

525
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 3>not at all.

526
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I I my guess, And I can't remember if I

527
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:35.839
<v Speaker 1>actually heard this or not. Was but that it was

528
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>like a social network type of like body doubling with

529
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>somebody and then they just did the facial replacements as

530
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>needed in order to make it work. And I mean,

531
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that's the only way that really makes sense, the way

532
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 1>that they were they were filming it.

533
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Sure, thank god it worked. It worked, and he played

534
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 2>it really really well. I mean the fact that they

535
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 2>were twins and already like felt you know, you could

536
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously see their similarities, but where you see their differences

537
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>in their behavior and their you know, the way they

538
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>move and the way they speak, I thought was just

539
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 2>really special, really really special.

540
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 3>And especially subtle. It wasn't over the top of like

541
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 3>one of them's like hey, get a load of me, like.

542
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 3>It was very They were both like tweens, right, they

543
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>were extremely strong. You understand why they're both revered and feared,

544
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 3>but they're just different ways. I was personally thankful for

545
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 3>the red hat, blue hat at times, yeah, just where

546
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>they weren't speaking it that helped me remember who exactly

547
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 3>are we dealing with?

548
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well and also the teeth, right, the gold teeth.

549
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Thought that was a nice touch. That was a really

550
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>nice touch.

551
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>It also worked just like the relationships that they had,

552
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like and I really liked that we had fleshed out

553
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 1>relationships between each of them that I really enjoyed kind

554
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of seeing how they were going to unfold. And I

555
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>think playing off of the you know, both Hailee Steinfeld

556
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 1>and wound me Masaku, like Coogler does a great job

557
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>of fully building relationships, like a history each of them

558
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>in ways that made me really buy into the fact

559
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 1>that these are two people who have created two separate

560
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>lives with different people.

561
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 3>That's a great point.

562
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>The the Chinese couple, the Chows, I think, I mean,

563
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I obviously I was in the bag for this movie,

564
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>but I think the moment they opened their mouths and

565
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 2>had Southern accents, I thought, this is he's done something

566
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 2>really really special. He's done something right. Like they felt

567
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 2>as lived in as any other characters, and again as

568
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>part of that community in downtown Clarksdale, you know, as

569
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, speaking the lingo, speaking the sort of negotiative

570
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>lingo that that they're you know, of being store owners.

571
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I thought was just just really really perfect. The fact

572
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>that she's the one to break down in the end

573
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 2>at seeing her husband.

574
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>It was.

575
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 2>It was a really incredible, like a signature moment of

576
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the film. I'm curious how that impacted you, when she screams,

577
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 2>get in get in here.

578
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Essentially loved it so much, And when I saw that

579
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 3>it was coming, when they start covering her mouth and stuff,

580
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 3>I started bouncing up and down in my seat. One

581
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 3>of the reasons that I loved it so much. Was

582
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 3>it was a purposeful move made out of anger instead

583
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 3>of Oops, I got duped or I'm so sad that

584
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing this. Instead it was it wasn't come on in.

585
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 3>It was come on in mother efforts because I need

586
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 3>my vengeance. Yeah, I mean you have destroyed and are

587
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 3>risking destroying the rest of my life, and so I

588
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>love that instead of someone because we already had people

589
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>sort of like accidentally limping and falling into a pile

590
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 3>of vampires. To have it be this whole team of like, okay,

591
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 3>and then they all run and get the supplies and

592
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 3>stuff outstanding, Yeah, so good.

593
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>They're all on the same absolute, the same sort of

594
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>emotional page. Like if it wasn't her, it very well

595
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>could have been anybody else in the in the building

596
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>at that point.

597
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>It very well come So many of them had lost

598
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>people that they need and loved.

599
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it was actually going to it was Michael B.

600
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Jordan was the one that was almost going to sadly

601
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 3>strumble outside until they brought him back. Right, a brave

602
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 3>decision to make.

603
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>The movie is really straight across the bow with the

604
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Book of the Vampire. Right, in terms of the rules.

605
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that we get with

606
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>with modern vampire movies is, you know, there is some

607
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of we're gonna we're gonna like really push our

608
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 2>own kind of vampire. This is this felt like a

609
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>really stereotypical, classical vampire. Right from the first kill that

610
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>we see, where Remick kills the clan member in the

611
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:55.960
<v Speaker 2>house in the beginning. He had only killed him moments before,

612
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and he got up again and was now a vampire.

613
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 2>That was a really efficient to keep this movie kind

614
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of propulsive, to keep it it moving like a freight train,

615
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>when we don't have to wait for the victims to

616
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>turn into vampires. What's your sense of how the movie

617
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>handles the rest of the lore? And Tom, I'm want

618
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>to start with you because you're the one who brought

619
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the Book of the Vampire to Sitting in the Dark

620
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>in the first place.

621
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.119
<v Speaker 3>I started to get when it started with the cave

622
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 3>paintings or whatever you want to call that, and talking

623
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 3>about the different people that have different words for this.

624
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 3>I did start to get a little nervous when movies

625
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 3>start like that. I always like, I was like, oh, no,

626
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>is this another lady in the water, Like where it's

627
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>going to lose itself in the lore. Instead, it was

628
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.559
<v Speaker 3>done extremely economically and just when you needed maybe a

629
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 3>little reminder, certain people needed it. He was really good

630
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 3>about flashing back, bringing the narration back in to help

631
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 3>understand why there's an electric guitar guy, you know, in

632
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 3>the bar. I thought it worked really well and it

633
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 3>really helped let you know, from the beginning, keep your

634
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 3>eyes well, keep your ears on the music. That's what

635
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 3>this movie is about. There's gonna be a lot of

636
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.679
<v Speaker 3>stuff in this movie, but really it's the music is

637
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 3>the unifying thing. So I thought it worked really well. Well.

638
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I then give us a sense of, you know, especially

639
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 1>through Annie's character, a sense already of a character who

640
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>is kind of connected to some sort of spiritual, mythological

641
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 1>sort of whatever it is. She's doing the voodoo. I

642
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know what she is. She's got all of her

643
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 1>little things that she's doing, so she already has that

644
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, and she actually calls it out at

645
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>one point of like their hates whatever, and yeah, so

646
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>she's got this sense of something until she realizes that

647
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>they're vampires. And so they are already setting up a

648
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>story about people who have a sense of like there

649
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>could be things like this out there, you know, and

650
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>just oh that most people don't actually see them. And

651
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>then when it turns into the vampires. I liked that

652
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 1>they kept it kind of also along the kind of

653
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 1>mythological lines, like it's just kind of this like, yeah,

654
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 1>they bite someone, and within a couple of minutes they're

655
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 1>standing back up ready to fight. They don't heal like

656
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the one guy who gets shot in the face, like

657
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>his jaws like hanging.

658
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Off the rest of the rest of the movie.

659
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not like self heal like you see in some

660
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>of them, or or or anything like that. It's just

661
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>they are. They are kind of vampiric. You've got the garlic,

662
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 1>you've got the sunlight, You've got all of those different

663
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>things that they just kind of keep in there. But

664
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.159
<v Speaker 1>it all kind of because we had that kind of

665
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 1>sense to something else already. It just kind of added

666
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to that spiritual flavor. I liked the way that they

667
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 1>developed it.

668
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I found it really refreshing to go back to just

669
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 2>some basics. I don't have to learn about people have,

670
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh they have shiny skin, can't they sparkle when they

671
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>go outside? I don't have to learn new rules. Like

672
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I felt like this movie it was shorthand for my

673
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>introduction to this universe. I was being introduced to a

674
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of new cultural concepts. But you didn't have to

675
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.559
<v Speaker 2>teach me about vampires because I understood the rule set

676
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 2>going in, and I thought that was great. The one

677
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>thing that did confuse me, if I'm going to, you know,

678
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>push my glasses up on my nose, the people who

679
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>became vampires in the juke joint? Why did they have

680
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 2>to be asked in again?

681
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Because they were outside when they like they It's not

682
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.679
<v Speaker 1>like they were inside as humans. They got attacked outside

683
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 1>of the juke joint, so they didn't get it, so

684
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>they're outside now they have to get asked back in again.

685
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 2>But let's say with the twins Stoke Broke, Smoke, Smoke

686
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>or Stack, one of them was turned into a vampire

687
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 2>in the building, but then he couldn't come back in

688
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>once he left until.

689
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>He were invited.

690
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I mean I have a flag on the field,

691
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 3>am I right? I don't know. I don't know that anyway.

692
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Too long during the movie, I was like, come on,

693
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>somebody explained why they have to guy, I mean, we're

694
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>really so yeah, that was that was but he's.

695
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>The only one that we have that issue with. Everyone

696
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 1>else was turned to vampire outside.

697
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>You're right, you're right. I was thinking Hailey Seinfeld was,

698
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 2>but she was invited back in Cornbread letter in yeah right,

699
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>right right.

700
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 3>I liked the the thing slashed the faculty pass around

701
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 3>the thing to see who is the hidden vampire within

702
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 3>this and this time it's garlic. I was wondering, I

703
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 3>just I love the idea of I was like, how

704
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 3>are they why would they have garlic? And then the

705
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.519
<v Speaker 3>idea that it's pickled garlic was something that you would eat.

706
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 3>That just seems like the kind of thing that Ryan Cooglo,

707
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 3>who's writing is like, nice, yeah, no kidding, we already

708
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 3>had chairs, but how am I going to get garlic

709
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 3>in there? Oh? Perfect to your point about the short

710
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 3>pand and how refreshing it was. It was also cool

711
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 3>that she just used the word vampires instead of walking dead,

712
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 3>day walkers, night walkers, like it's just like but I

713
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 3>also want to underline Andy's I didn't think about that.

714
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>The sheer importance of having the hoodoo that his wife

715
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 3>ex wife was have that in the world really does

716
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 3>smooth the gears. That's not a phrase, you know what

717
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean? It really it lets it all sort of

718
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 3>seem like the world has lived in instead of just

719
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 3>a weird train that comes out of nowhere. Yeah, which

720
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 3>I think, like Dustill Dawn is.

721
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 2>You think Dustill Done' is a weird train.

722
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, because.

723
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 3>It's just because I was. I was enjoying the movie

724
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 3>so much, and then the Vampire started and I didn't

725
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 3>think I thought the transition was incredibly inelegant and played

726
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 3>for laughs but also tried to play it just didn't work.

727
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 3>That was just two movies colliding. This felt like when

728
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 3>like one of my favorite things that movies do, and

729
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 3>this movie did a great job, is when you know

730
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 3>we're leading towards this big event. He gathered all the troops,

731
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 3>everyone's getting in their cars and is high really big.

732
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 3>It might as well be like drum beats, like heading

733
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Speaker 3>into They're all going to the place that we're going

734
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 3>to be spending the rest of the movie to try

735
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 3>to find out how does this leak link to the

736
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Cold Open. It's just all that big, big stuff that

737
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 3>I love so much. It's really neat to treat it

738
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 3>like that. That's sorry. Why I brought that up. Is

739
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 3>that's a movie that is taking you on the ride.

740
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 3>It's treating its nose. We're going into battle, so let's

741
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.480
<v Speaker 3>send the score through the roof. Let's see everybody and

742
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 3>where we are versus just Okay, there's the guy from

743
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Cheech and Chong screaming at you from the front door.

744
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Apparently I've seen From Dustill Down too many times.

745
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it in a long time. I feel

746
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 2>like I need to watch it again. But to your

747
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 2>point about this movie, that transition actually as surprising as

748
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:49.519
<v Speaker 2>it could have been had I not known it was

749
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 2>a vampire movie. It is an elegant transition. Like it

750
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>does feel like they're they've been insinuating it the entire time.

751
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>It's very very powerful. Is Delroy Lindo your favorite character

752
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>in the band for sure?

753
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 3>And why I'll make the decision for us.

754
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I loved I sometimes have issues with del Roy

755
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Lindo sometimes like I'm kind of hot and cold. I

756
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>am very hot on del Roy Lindo in this movie.

757
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was exemplary.

758
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I completely agree. He's a great addition to it.

759
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when you would have problems with Delroy Lindo.

760
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I just always enjoy him and I think he's just

761
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>so great here. I had I had such a great

762
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Speaker 1>time with him, with his character as the one who

763
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.599
<v Speaker 1>had had so much Irish beerau that he could barely

764
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>stomach eating a clove of garlic. And it almost gets

765
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 1>shot for it, like it just it played really well,

766
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>and he's just he is just a lot of fun.

767
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 1>He clearly was having a fun time with this one well.

768
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And he gets he gets the monologue right. He gets

769
00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful, wonderful car ride monologue about you know, his experience.

770
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was He just delivered it perfectly. And

771
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.239
<v Speaker 2>they do. They get a lot of i'll say it

772
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>out loud, a lot of mileage out of car trips

773
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 2>in this movie. And I think they do it really well.

774
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I loved when Sammy starts playing the guitar in the car.

775
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>What a fantastic moment for them to share, you know,

776
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:25.920
<v Speaker 2>surprising Smoke with his talent and joy for playing the music.

777
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really really fantastic. He grows up

778
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Sammy to be Buddy Guy. He you know, a great

779
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>renown blues musician, Buddy Guy. Just I mean that was

780
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>if you if you follow the Blues, that's stunt casting

781
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 2>if I've ever seen it.

782
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize does buddy guy have a scar or

783
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>they're just putting it? Okay, got it. I didn't realize

784
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 3>that that was I knew it was a real Blues person,

785
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.360
<v Speaker 3>but I didn't know who that was. Okay, that's yeah,

786
00:42:58.800 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>really cool.

787
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought it really really cool to see him, to

788
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.679
<v Speaker 2>get him, you know, playing, and to have there's this

789
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 2>moment at the end. This is where so that the

790
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>way the movie wraps up. If I'm reading people who

791
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>have their four four and a half star reviews of

792
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.599
<v Speaker 2>this movie, it's because of a couple of elements at

793
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the end. So let me just back up a little bit.

794
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>The vampire part of the movie ends, and everybody you

795
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>know gets out and does their thing. If they get out,

796
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>we have the massive fire tornado. As Remick disappears, we

797
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>have all the other vampires that were outside. The sun

798
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>comes up and they flame on and it's amazing. I

799
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 2>thought that the shot was beautiful. It was captured well,

800
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and that part of the story ends. The next little

801
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>chapter after we get back to the cold open kind

802
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 2>of to bookend it, Sammy goes home. That next little

803
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>chapter is the arrival of the clan, led by the

804
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>guy who sold them the barn in the first place,

805
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and they come with their guns, but wait a minute,

806
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Michael b Jordan is ready for them and ambushes them,

807
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 2>and along the way he gets himself shot. The clan

808
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>bit is the first of these elements that it seems

809
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.159
<v Speaker 2>like people might be having a little bit of trouble with,

810
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>because that is a major action scene that feels a

811
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 2>touch shoehorned in. The next element is this love letter

812
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety six back to the Back to the

813
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Blues bit, where Hailey Steinfeld and Michael b Jordan's show

814
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>up in their fantastic nineties sweaters and have it's like

815
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>a love letter to the blues music.

816
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 3>Right.

817
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes we're vampires, Yes we've lived all this time, we

818
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>haven't changed. We're beautiful people. Also, the last thing my

819
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>brother said before he let me live was I have

820
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>to leave you alone. And so instead I've bought all

821
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>your albums and I'm a fan. That was a love

822
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>letter too, as much to Sammy as it was to

823
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.519
<v Speaker 2>but Guy. And then we have the final you know

824
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 2>sequence at the end where we have him playing just

825
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>alone in the church Miles Castle. Yeah, this little light

826
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>of mine, beautiful, beautiful piece. I as as a lover

827
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>of all of these things, the music and the sort

828
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>of cultural pieces of it, I didn't really have a

829
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>problem with it. I can almost see the clan trouble

830
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that people are having that action sequence. I can see

831
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a universe where that feels less earned. What is your

832
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 2>stance on that last shootout?

833
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.159
<v Speaker 1>For me, it was earned because that was just an

834
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>interesting an interesting element that we that he learns from

835
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the vampires, you know, And I thought that was actually

836
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 1>an interesting twist. The fact that the as it happens,

837
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the first two people local people that Remick turns happened

838
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>to be the in the clan, and like I can't remember,

839
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 1>he's like the nephew of the of the guy who

840
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>sold him the place, and so they know that it's

841
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 1>like this whole ambush thing and they're fully intending on

842
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>doing this, and so the fact that that just essentially

843
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.360
<v Speaker 1>becomes a setup for wrapping up that part of the

844
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>story and kind of like getting that final revenge, I

845
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 1>just felt like it was you know, it's like some

846
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>people would say it's like attacked on ending, but for me,

847
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 1>it was earned because we set it up. We already

848
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 1>have that you doubt about, like is this guy for real?

849
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Who's selling him this place? And then it just completes

850
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the story. It's a full payoff of that.

851
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 3>And also it also shows us. I mean, the idea

852
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 3>that they find out that from the vampires that they're coming,

853
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 3>and that's why he's able to be so prepared to

854
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:49.960
<v Speaker 3>finally get the trunk out, is that the fix was

855
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 3>always in. If the vampires didn't show up, they probably

856
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be prepared and they would still be attacked. It

857
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 3>was never going to work in this fair terrible society.

858
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 3>There are chips you can't even see are against you

859
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 3>and so and so there is something cathartic then also

860
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.920
<v Speaker 3>of okay, I went through something hellish. Now I learned

861
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 3>something from that. And now another wave of bad guys

862
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 3>shows up. And these guys don't get back up. They

863
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 3>are very easy to defeat compared to the people that

864
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 3>we had. There's no lore, there's no anything that we

865
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 3>have to do, just a really big gun and then

866
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 3>they fall down. Well, yeah, there's something pretty cathartic about

867
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.360
<v Speaker 3>that for me I and the end, the audience clapped

868
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 3>in my theater.

869
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, yeah, definitely, And we get a really touching

870
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 1>final moment between the brother camera was that smoke or

871
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.760
<v Speaker 1>stack whichever one that is? Uh and his you know,

872
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 1>ex wife Annie and their infant son. Like, what a

873
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>touching way to wrap that up like it was just

874
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:02.639
<v Speaker 1>like absolutely heartwarming to see that that familial finale that

875
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 1>he ended up having there.

876
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Hailey Steinfeld's last person we haven't really talked about. I

877
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>thought she did a fantastic job.

878
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I think I'll like her more in this than I've

879
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 3>liked her in other things. Not to take to take

880
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 3>away from the other things. I just she really burst

881
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 3>through the screen in a cool way. I also appreciated

882
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 3>just this movie also in certain movies, especially male driven

883
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 3>movies with Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler. This film

884
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 3>was also very interested and attentive to female pleasure, which

885
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 3>is always always so appreciated. I'd love that so much

886
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 3>that that lost heeded references to female pleasure, what you

887
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 3>do to give female pleasure, the importance of female pleasure

888
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 3>and females being allowed to have pleasure and not being

889
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 3>as bad or castigated against anything like that.

890
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's I mean there's a straight up cars speaking

891
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of great things you learn in cars kind of lingis

892
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 2>there's practically a tutorial.

893
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a it's a really sexy movie, and

894
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 3>it's funny and it's scary. I mean it's and it

895
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 3>handles all of it. There's just not this car crash

896
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 3>of the different tones. It all just works.

897
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.760
<v Speaker 1>So neat a couple things with Hailey Steinfeld, just a

898
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 1>couple scenes that stick out, which just because the way

899
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that they were done. One you brought up the ending, Pete.

900
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about that other ending, but I thought

901
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>it was so interesting that they essentially are here to say,

902
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 1>we've been around, we love your music. I was, you know,

903
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I made a deal with my brother to not do

904
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:41.079
<v Speaker 1>anything to you, but we will. Your time's almost up.

905
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>If you want us to, we can totally take care

906
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of you, you know.

907
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, that's an.

908
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Interesting way to kind of like have that closure between

909
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 1>those characters like and and him to say I'm good.

910
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 3>You know. I don't know.

911
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 1>It was just it was really weirdly touching, you know,

912
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>to have that but to characters in him. I really

913
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that also. I just I really it was such

914
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>a great and simple and effective way to convey the vampire.

915
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 1>You got Mary who goes outside just to talk to

916
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>the white people because she's white and she can talk

917
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to them, and you know, see if they're being serious about,

918
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, the money that they have. You've got that

919
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 1>interesting little connection between those characters. And she finally leaves,

920
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a simple shot as she's walking back

921
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 1>toward camera and you see you see Remick and you

922
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 1>just see him like disappear, like he just jumps up,

923
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of the last we see before she

924
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 1>comes back in and we know that she's been attacked.

925
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Like just simple ways to kind of convey these things

926
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 1>that I think Googler found that just worked really well.

927
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 2>That was another interesting thing, speaking specifically of the effects

928
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and the kills. I mean, the effects I think looked

929
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>very good. The makeup effects looked great. The fact that

930
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the vampire was so judicious when killing her as to

931
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.159
<v Speaker 2>do it under her shoulder strap on her backs so

932
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that she couldn't be seen when a lot of the

933
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>kills were quite bloody and quite gruesome.

934
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.599
<v Speaker 3>And same with the Asian shopkeeper the husband. Yes you

935
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 3>can't see that either. Yeah, that's a good point. I

936
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 3>didn't think about that, that they're using to try to

937
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 3>get in same with cornbread right now, right well, that

938
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 3>they want to try to use as stooges to get

939
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 3>inside they or they're really careful about where they're baiting them.

940
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I never thought of that, That's exactly.

941
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Which is so interesting, especially when you look at Hiley Seinfeld,

942
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 2>who does have you know, in her family lineage, apparently

943
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>does have black ancestry, and so she brings yeah, she

944
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 2>brings up this this whole Did you guys see the

945
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 2>movie Passing? Fantastic fantastic movie about these women who were

946
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>light skinned black people who were passing as white people.

947
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>And what is the sort of moral, uh, you know,

948
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>or cultural justification behind doing that? Are you not proud

949
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 2>of your own ancestry? Do you just you know, are

950
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>you trying to avoid you know, avoid something, you know,

951
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>avoid you know, the overt racism in a in a

952
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.960
<v Speaker 2>dark time. Well, that sort of biting people in a

953
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>way that they can't that it can't be seen, is

954
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>essentially vampires passing, right, They want to pass so that

955
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>they can right get away with this case, get away

956
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.679
<v Speaker 2>with some horrible stuff. But I find it so I

957
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>find it really interesting the way they used the tool

958
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of the transformation in this movie. It didn't it worked

959
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, right, I mean I think it worked.

960
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Did it worked twice? Steinfeld got in she was the

961
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:41.760
<v Speaker 2>only one. She might be the only one.

962
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because then they start questioning everyone after that. Yeah,

963
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.199
<v Speaker 1>you're right pretty much. Yeah, you're right. I mean you

964
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:53.880
<v Speaker 1>could say it doesn't necessarily work. But the initial racist

965
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.360
<v Speaker 1>couple that Remich brings along, now granted they've all cleaned up,

966
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like all the blood is off of all of Yeah,

967
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't work. But I mean I think that's

968
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 1>that just goes to your point that Ramik was being

969
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.559
<v Speaker 1>very careful about how and where he would bite people

970
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 1>so that he could use them to his advantage. Yeah,

971
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.280
<v Speaker 1>which is very different for vampires. Usually it's just a

972
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 1>big you know, right in the neck and then you

973
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>just you always have the two marks there, you know.

974
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like playing by the old rules, but

975
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 2>in a strategic way that I thought the movie captured

976
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>quite well. I think it's it's you know, I'm just

977
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the trailer is playing on a loop here, and it's

978
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 2>so funny. The hero shots in the trailer. A lot

979
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 2>of some of the hero shots, especially the biggest hero

980
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>shots in the trailer are Michael B. Jordan with a

981
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>big gun, and that doesn't happen at all in the

982
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 2>main part of the movie. It happens in the final

983
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, clan shootout, and it's it's the hero shot

984
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of the film.

985
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.239
<v Speaker 3>I thought the score was appropriately Apart from the score

986
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.559
<v Speaker 3>versus music, the music is outstanding. Of course, the score

987
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 3>is at times operatic, at times is almost campily monster movie,

988
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 3>but it plays all the way to the top without

989
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 3>ever becoming campy or taking me out of it. It's

990
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 3>taking things so seriously in a fun way that it's

991
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 3>a nice offshoot from the blues and the other music

992
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>that we have in the film. I was a really

993
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:20.360
<v Speaker 3>big fan of the score.

994
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I love what Gorenson does, especially like

995
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the music that he's been crafting for Coogler's films, like

996
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.159
<v Speaker 1>you see that with like the Black Panther score, where

997
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>he's tapping into some really unique African instruments and bringing

998
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that into the score to kind of create the music.

999
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 1>And here like he did a lot of research on

1000
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like those old thirties and forties blues sorts of recordings

1001
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and really kind of built his score around all of that,

1002
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's I mean, you're to your point. Is it

1003
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 1>goes big when it needs to. It is personal, like

1004
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:01.920
<v Speaker 1>fantastic individual themes for different characters and relationships and everything.

1005
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Like it was a score that was exceptional. Like I mean,

1006
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>this film is it's such a surprise of a film.

1007
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 1>As I was watching it, I'm like, I mean it's

1008
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>like another Everything everywhere is like, is this movie gonna

1009
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.880
<v Speaker 1>be up for Best Picture? Will people be talking about

1010
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it come Oscar season next year? I don't know. I'd

1011
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 1>like to think so.

1012
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 2>God, I hope so. I felt like there were so

1013
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.800
<v Speaker 2>many performances in here that need to be really appreciated

1014
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.360
<v Speaker 2>on the awards circuit. I just I really do. This

1015
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 2>was such a wonderful There's not one performer in here,

1016
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>not one thing that took me out of the movie, right.

1017
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I was just in the pocket of this thing the

1018
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.800
<v Speaker 2>entire time. Yeah, great stuff, great stuff. I'm sorry we

1019
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't fight more. I think that makes me Podcasting Rod

1020
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Letterbox letterbox dot Com slash the next Reel. That's where

1021
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you can find all of the films that we've talked

1022
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.719
<v Speaker 2>about on our various shows. This is where we put

1023
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 2>our stars in our hearts, and i'm you guys have

1024
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to go first. Tom, You've already put yours in here.

1025
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't what is going on with your rating for

1026
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.840
<v Speaker 2>this thing? It's a heart, You're good.

1027
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I just have to say, like you called people out

1028
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 1>on saying, yeah, if you have problems with the ending,

1029
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Like there's people who are giving it a four or

1030
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 1>four and a half, they obviously have problems with the ending.

1031
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 3>I just put neither of you.

1032
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.320
<v Speaker 2>You too, you too, You're you're pre calling yourself out

1033
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.239
<v Speaker 2>because you guys are both four and a half stars,

1034
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and I want to know why.

1035
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 4>As opposed to what five four and a half is

1036
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 4>an extraordinary four. I've given one film five this entire time,

1037
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:41.840
<v Speaker 4>and it was because it did the best job it

1038
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 4>possibly could with what it was delivering, and that was

1039
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 4>Hamilton the Musical.

1040
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 2>This movie musical.

1041
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Hamilton the Musical is the only movie I've ever

1042
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 3>given five stars to on this podcast. This movie I

1043
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.079
<v Speaker 3>need to see it again. I want to see you again.

1044
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, four point five is near perfect. I

1045
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 3>thought this was an outstanding movie. Uh, and I really

1046
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 3>look forward to seeing it again.

1047
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll give that to you, Andy. Why are you

1048
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:06.079
<v Speaker 2>four and a half stars?

1049
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I just I am four and a half stars. I

1050
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 1>think that's a really good score, and that's where I score.

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00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Weird who yells the teacher over an as I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm that guy. Okay, I'm a five star. I think

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00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.960
<v Speaker 2>this is a five star movie. Maybe it will and

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00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.119
<v Speaker 2>and part of it I recognize is my the the

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00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 2>uh let's just say five. Uh, my five star artificiality

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00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.719
<v Speaker 2>because I can't do four and a half stars. I

1057
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>don't believe in them, and so I need to call

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00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 2>them out. It's antithetical to my ideology.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're saying you wouldn't give it a four and

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00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.800
<v Speaker 1>a half if that was an option for you anyway.

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00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 3>No, that's true.

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00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I want saying four and a half

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00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.760
<v Speaker 1>because I five, because I can't do four and a half.

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00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.679
<v Speaker 2>This is a meager, meager podcast fight. Let's just say

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00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 2>that we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not doing this is not we wanted to know.

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00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I did. I wanted to pick a fight.

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00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I wanted a little bit of fireworks, and I'm kind

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00:57:59.480 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of done.

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00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 3>I moved on.

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00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>This will round up gloriously to a five on our letterbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow us. What can I say one thing you want

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00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to I'm just saying, like you wanted reasons, I'm here

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00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.079
<v Speaker 1>to give you a reason. Four and a half? Did

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00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 1>we need to start the film with the book ending

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00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it with a moment the next morning?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? Did that?

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00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Did we have to start that? Couldn't we have just

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00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 1>started the film without that?

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00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 3>I personally was glad it was there. I'm a huge

1081
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 3>fan of cold opens, of buying time, and because it

1082
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.280
<v Speaker 3>gave import to everything that was going forward. And then

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00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite I mean, you know what a

1084
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 3>geek I am about contain pieces, small pieces, things that

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00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 3>sometimes could be a play for it to say one

1086
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:53.559
<v Speaker 3>day earlier, I was just true, all everything we're going

1087
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.920
<v Speaker 3>to see is just this one man with day and night.

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00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Filled me with so much excitement, and then the movie

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00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>delivers completely, So I completely I get that it didn't

1090
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:05.519
<v Speaker 3>need it, but for me, it made everything lean forward,

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00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.000
<v Speaker 3>It gave everything informant.

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00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, fine, that's not a reason to give

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00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 1>it for an hour, but I'm still giving it.

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00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:12.320
<v Speaker 3>For our.

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00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Excellent excellent. I feel like that's fine as long as

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00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you're you're still thinking about it.

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00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 3>When a five star movie from when I see it again.

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00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is one of those movies where I'm just

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00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.079
<v Speaker 2>to your point about the score. Immediately went over to

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00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Apple Music and added both the score and the soundtrack

1101
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.039
<v Speaker 2>both available, and they're both so good. They're so so good.

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00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. And yeah, I mean, this is this.

1103
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't buy it yet, but you bet I will

1104
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.360
<v Speaker 2>buy this movie. This will be a collective one for

1105
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.519
<v Speaker 2>the collection, and I can't wait for whatever the special

1106
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>features are. Good, Lord, give me some good special features.

1107
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 2>I want to be a part of that. Did you

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00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 2>see I know, Andy saw it, Tom. Did you see

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00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:02.159
<v Speaker 2>the video of Coogler going through four with a white board?

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01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 3>A friend of the show, Johnny Jacaloney and Darnelle Smith

1111
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 3>sent both sent to me, and I thought that was

1112
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.199
<v Speaker 3>a really smart Johnny pointed out, this is a really

1113
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:12.440
<v Speaker 3>smart way to get people to go see it in

1114
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.400
<v Speaker 3>the theater. Yeah, like to get nerdy about it and

1115
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 3>really break it down. I thought that was really cool.

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01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I thought that was great. I'll put

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01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the link in the notes because it's it's worth watching.

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01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And he's just really smart, you know that he's thinking

1119
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 2>about about this stuff, like thinking at this level. I

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01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 2>thought it was neat to have him in his perspective

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01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.480
<v Speaker 2>with his whiteboard.

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01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:32.800
<v Speaker 3>It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, really fun coming up next month, Tom, would

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01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you introduce because I know this is your movie, this

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01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 2>was your pick.

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01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, the last time I got to pick, I chose

1127
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 3>y two K. I'm not allowed to pick movies anymore.

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01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:56.360
<v Speaker 3>So this time we're seeing the hopefully redemptive and good

1129
01:00:56.440 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and course setting thunderbolts asterisks. I don't know why there

1130
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 3>was an asterisk. I know nothing, so I know so

1131
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:05.440
<v Speaker 3>little about this movie, but I have seen a trailer.

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01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.480
<v Speaker 3>There is one interesting thing I do want to point

1133
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.960
<v Speaker 3>out is this is one of the only Marvel trailers

1134
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:13.760
<v Speaker 3>that I've seen where I don't know who the bad

1135
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.000
<v Speaker 3>guy is. They show a.

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01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Floating a new trailer where they introduced him.

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01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, I didn't.

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01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I saw the floating person, and there's it's always the

1139
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 2>behind the head.

1140
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 3>The trailer before Sinners, and I saw Sinners this afternoon,

1141
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.480
<v Speaker 3>right before I came here. It was that same old

1142
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.199
<v Speaker 3>trailer and it's just a voice and someone making people

1143
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 3>into shadows. But I don't know who it is, which

1144
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.679
<v Speaker 3>makes me a little afraid that it's another like Tim

1145
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:41.599
<v Speaker 3>Blake Nilson from Captain America years ago. They're hiding the

1146
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:43.840
<v Speaker 3>bad guy because he didn't turn out that break. But

1147
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 3>we'll see, Yeah, we are seeing Thunderbolts Asterix correct.

1148
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are seeing Thunderbolts. Asks it comes out the

1149
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 2>first weekend. It's our scheduling for the summer is going

1150
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:54.679
<v Speaker 2>to get a little bit squishy, so we're going to

1151
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 2>find a time. It probably won't be opening weekend when

1152
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 2>this episode comes out, but we are going to talk

1153
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 2>about Thunderbolts from a interesting thing about some of the marketing.

1154
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 2>They're starting to do some Mission Impossible style viral stuff

1155
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 2>where you you know, I just the one I just

1156
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>watched was what's her name, The New Black Widow Florence Pugh,

1157
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Florence Pugh talking about how much she loves heights. She's

1158
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.519
<v Speaker 2>so excited about heights, And there's a sequence in the

1159
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 2>trailer where she takes us an elegant step off a

1160
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.679
<v Speaker 2>very tall building and falls, and they showed they show

1161
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.280
<v Speaker 2>her doing that stunt, getting rigged up to do that

1162
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:36.840
<v Speaker 2>stunt herself and be hung out over this building, and

1163
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.320
<v Speaker 2>it reminded me very much of the last of the

1164
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Mission Impossible stuff that's that's been coming out in the

1165
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:46.400
<v Speaker 2>where they actually show you the whole stunt. Uh, so

1166
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.079
<v Speaker 2>you can see what Tom Cruise did that they put

1167
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the actor in this place, and I think that's a

1168
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 2>really interesting, interesting bit.

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01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for it, and.

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01:02:56.119 --> 01:03:01.840
<v Speaker 3>So especially now that there's a stunt oscar. Yeah right,

1171
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 3>so maybe we'll be seeing even more and more of

1172
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.119
<v Speaker 3>that for sure. So so that's it.

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01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.119
<v Speaker 2>That's the big one, because you know, we worship at

1174
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the altar of clicks. Thank you everybody for hanging out

1175
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.800
<v Speaker 2>with us. We appreciate your time and attention, uh listening

1176
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to the show.

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01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Go see this movie.

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01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It's totally worth seeing. It's not like the other movies

1179
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 2>we talked about on the film board.

1180
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:22.880
<v Speaker 3>This one's really.

1181
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Good and uh it's not like my duo que uh

1182
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and Andy. Thank you for coming back and doing a

1183
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.880
<v Speaker 2>show that doesn't start with them.

1184
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You bet. I'm glad to be here. Lots of fun.

1185
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Always always a treat to have you on the show.

1186
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And Tommy, you know, we did good time.

1187
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.440
<v Speaker 3>We did good this time. Kid. Shout out to Suzanne

1188
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Zizzi who is my film board friend and she's a

1189
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:50.599
<v Speaker 3>listener of the show. So we will see you at Thunderballs.

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01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Meeting a journey