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Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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Speaker 1: Man, nobody seen, nobody else. See, you don't need to

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know many pluck you a little story and you got

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back to fle like that. That's the win, Man blackly

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dag on the panel. Man, Man, you don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Man all right, Thomas, welcome back to Jay burd and

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show how you doing.

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Speaker 1: Man doing very well? Thanks for hosting me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, I'm glad to have you back on. It's

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been a little while since you and I spoke on air.

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Now we got to hang out at uh the Secret

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is a little more obscure here in America, but is

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top of the line if we're talking about this issue,

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particularly in the UK. So I'll let you introduce at Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm still getting over being ill. So just

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forgive my boys for faith failing me. Yeah. There's something

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that Jimmy Saville. It's it's not presented in any thorough

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capacity and media and such that it is discussed. It

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is presented as a sort of laundry list of depravity

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of this famous guy who became who was a pedophile,

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who's hiding in plain sight. That that's not really what

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we're talking about. I mean, yeah, Jimmy Savile was. He

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was a voracious rapist of both boys, girls, men and women.

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The claim is that some BBC presenter, and this sentiment

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you know, one off instances of several assaulting males. I

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guarantee he assaulted as many boys as he did girls.

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It's just that men are are shamed to report that

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kind of thing for obvious reasons. You know, he didn't discriminate.

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He was a voracious predator literally until the day he died.

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in America or streaming services, and I watched it and

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the guy who played several I thought, nailed it. And

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to the credit of the filmmakers, it got into several's

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necrophilia he was. He was literally an avid necrophilia too.

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ritualistic transgressions. But where they failed is they basically presented

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told who was an out of control sexual deviant, and

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they basically that was it, and they cast his his

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strange fixation on charity as him trying to atone for

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these depravities. That's that sort of deliberately obscure, is what

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in a twenty eleven Savo was born on Halloween in

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nineteen twenty six, and he'd make a big deal about that, saying,

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claiming indebtorous, that he was a warlock and that he

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was some sort of a cult addict or a sort

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of dark version of Merlin, some sort of liminal figure.

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was reported that when he was found in his apartment,

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he was lying in bed, grinning and the fingers on

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both of his hands were crossed, and his funeral was

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excessive by any metric and it was almost as if

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beloved royal had died. It was totally bizarre. You know.

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and and Charles himself said that Sabel was a great

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mentor of his and a great Englishman and just a

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great man. And this funeral went on for days. He

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gold coffin, and it was driven to this hotel the

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city center of Leeds that was Saville's hometown. Okay, it

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site where he was buried at it took up three plots.

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headstones soldered together or whatever, you know, befitting again ahead

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of state or something. And he uh savel and Saville

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works up strange guys. I don't I don't believe for

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big deal about several's good words and in order an

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exemplary person he was, and the requiem mass was attended

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by seven one hundred people. You know, when it just

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three days, this sort of national mourning. Some mean, that's

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that's strange enough as it is, okay, And then you know,

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just weeks after Savile was buried, after this almost deranged

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imperial mourning for this man, all memory of him began

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to be ritually dismantled. You know, for the first time,

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it was openly reported that he'd raped dozens of women,

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he'd he'd assaulted dozens of little boys and girls, that

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he was engaged in necrophilia, that he was essentially a

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to mention why Savile was so prominent in British culture

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to begin with, sure before any of this darker information

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life and that's sort of a deep dive into that Savill. Basically,

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Savill and uh he Vince Saville was something of a

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local war hero because he was trapped in Malta during

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the Siege of Malta in World War Two. So he

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avid uh sex offender too. He was a rapist, cal molester,

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just like his little brother. But Savil was the youngest

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of older brothers and sisters, so he came late in

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an accidental baby. He used to quip that he was

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a not again child. But he didn't get conscripted into

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the military. He got drafted h in the labor service

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and sent to work in a mine. And he made

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a big deal about this later, kind of trying to

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present him self as this sort of like working class hero,

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but that doesn't really tell the whole story. The Saviles,

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UH where they weren't at all wealthy, but they didn't

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live in poverty. Saville's father, he was essentially an unlicensed accountant,

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and UH that was part of Saddle's ingress and into

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how to hustle and you know, manage people and and

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sort of gray market activities and things. But Saddle sort

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of by accident of fate and convergence of circumstances sociological

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and historical, you know, the UK diminished as it was

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after the war. Britain, UH really was at the forefront

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of of kind of global pop culture before there was

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even such a thing, okay, and before even UH, radio

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people and markets were created. Dancehall culture was a real thing,

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like the equivalent to here would be sock hops and

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stuff for the fifties. But Saville was one of the

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first guys who was able to finagle early access to

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newly released records, and he was one of the first

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professional DJs as we think of it, okay in the UK,

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and he had a good eye for what was gonna pop.

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people wanted to see because he was always gonna spin

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stuff that was fresh and that you hadn't heard before,

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and you know that was uh, you'd be the first

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to hear it, you know, and he had uh there

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was there was always a ton of girls at the

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clubs he managed, and uh, they had a reputation for

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having liquor that wasn't watered down. And like I said,

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people apparently were terrified of his brother events and some

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events's rappies who had and so would joke about like

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brutalizing people and like literally torturing them if they acted

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up in his night clothes. And that's nothing about Saddle.

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this man hid his real nature from us, Like, no,

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he didn't. He'd joke about molesting girls. There's this awful

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footage of him, it's literally on an episode of Top

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of the Pops from the seventies he's obviously got his

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hand down this girl's pants since he's desperately trying to

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like fend him off, and he's like laughing about it

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while he's like going through the you know, the litany

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of of prompts and things. You know. It's like, yeah,

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everybody knew what this guy was about, you know, and

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that's what's so creepy about it, you know. And uh

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was like the Emperor had died or something. But then

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within weeks, you know, there's this equally sort of ritualistic

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condemnation of him, you know, in this endless reporting of

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his crimes, and witnesses are finally feeling safe to come forward.

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that spans sixty years quite literally in broad strokes, I

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Criminal acts what Saville did as he made the transition

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to television from radio because his dance all gig. One

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of the first real rock and roll stations in the

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the continent and like literally in Luxembourg and they'd play

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rock and roll records and Seville I mean just speaking honestly,

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when he was young, at least before his chain cigar

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smoking kind of ruined his voice, he had a really

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the Pops, which was kind of like a cross between

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rock favorites. Oftentimes one of their early breakouts will be

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Top of the Pops slayed and yeah that's and it's uh.

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But as he made the transition, you know, to television,

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he became this, uh, this huge celebrity. And because he

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was so closely affiliated with the music industry in rock

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and roll, you know, he kids, especially be starstruck by him,

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you know, and which is understandable, you know, especially in

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those days. And there was the school called the Duncroft School,

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and this is this is bizarre, okay, but it was

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established as the school for troubled girls. It was kind

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of one part finishing school but also one part reform school.

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And the girls who were sent there was girls who

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were centered by their parents for you know, being just

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kind of angsty teenagers. There was girls who'd gotten caught

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up and in genuine crime, who had been ordered by

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the court. A very strange institution. But Savill simply started

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showing up there saying that, and he's telling the head

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and mistress, Oh, well, I get fan letters all the

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time from you know, the young ladies who attend this school,

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and this became one of his regular hunting grounds. He'd

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just show up there with a bunch of cigarettes and

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brand new records and cash, and he'd he load these

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girls into his jag or his rolls Royce and like

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take them off and have his weight with them, you know.

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And uh, but like think about this too. The alibi

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again is like, well, we thought Jimmy was odd, but

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we didn't think anything on tour it was happening. This

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is a fifty year old guy going to a girls'

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school and hang around fourteen fifteen year old girls and

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taking them off the premises, Like what do you think,

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what do you think he's doing with them, playing checkers,

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you know, advising them on on their career ambitions, you know.

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So that was kind of the first phase of his

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truly above board dedicated offending. What happened subsequent and this

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is really the most unbelievable. In nineteen eighty law enforcement

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had a mold taken of Saville's teeth, his bite because

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there was a serial killer who was known as the

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Yorkshire Ripper. He was convicted of killing thirteen women. His

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name was Peter Sutcliffe, and Saville was strongly enough suspected

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of being a Ripper suspect that, you know, he was

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actively investigated and his bike profile was compared to bite

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marks that were on the victims. So this man was

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a suspected serial killer. And yet somehow that didn't kill

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his career or anything. And then later when the Yorkshire

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Ripper was identified and apprehended, he uh Sadville started hanging

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around with him and saying he's a dear friend, you know,

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and and visiting him at the high security UH hospital

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for the criminally insane that he'd been committed to. I mean,

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think about that. That'd be like, like imagine, imagine Carson

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Dailey if he just started hanging around some some serial killer,

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I mean like that, and people have sort of acted like, oh,

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that's just that's just Carson being eccentric. He's odd.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if famous, famous director Peter Jackson started hanging out

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with a guy who got out of jail for ritually

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killing three children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no fair point, yeah yeah, him

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him becoming buddies with them, with Damien Echols, who yeah,

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and Tay I think again, flying him out to his

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home and things. But yeah, I mean a pattern emerges here,

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and I'm gonna get into that next episode. But sort

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of the most sort of the zenith of savills organized

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offending Sable somehow insinued himself into the National Health Service,

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despite having having no medical background obviously or anything that

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would qualify him to be so situated. He uh became

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a volunteer porter at Stoke, Command of the Hospital, at

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Leeds General Hospital and at broad More Psychiatric Institute, and

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in nineteen eighty eight he was appointed director of what

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was called the broad More Task Force. That this is

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a disc jockey and he's being put in charge of

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this task force mandated with reforming the administrative and and

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treatment regiment of a psychiatric hospital, and he had full

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the four of the hospital. He had a room on premises,

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he had literally the keys to the entire building. And uh,

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it was at these hospitals that he committed dozens of

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assaults on the patients. And as became clear, one of

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his primary interests was access to the morgue. Saville was

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utterly obsessed with death and corpses. It was this ongoing fascination.

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And in is Uh there's this bizarre autobiography Saville wrote

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and you can tell that he wrote it. It wasn't

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a ghostwriter because it's written in this really strange colloquial dialect.

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It's a combination of of sort of like Northern English. Uh,

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you know, uh slang speak. It's got it's it's got

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unconventional grammar. Like it's clear he wrote it, Okay, and

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Uh he's talking about how his first job as a

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twelve or thirteen year old in Leeds was you know,

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basically sweeping up at this nursing home and how it

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was great because these these old people would die all

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the time, and before they got taken away, you know,

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you could go in and see them and as he

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put it, spend time with with these dead people and he, uh,

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he was engaging in necrophilia at these hospitals. And one

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of the a couple of the photos I sent you is, uh,

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you know, said I always wore these chunky rings and necklaces. Well, okay, yeah,

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that's a that's not an evil eye ring or something

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that's literally a glass eye that he he stole out

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of a course that he was molested. Okay, And yeah,

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that's another one. So this idea that Sevill, nobody knew

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this man was a monster. Okay. He's literally taking trophies

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from his victims, making them into jewelry and then flaunting

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them on on on national television. I that's about as

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flagrant as you can get, you know. And it's uh,

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it's that there's something to that beyond mirror. Uh you know,

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that there's something that beyond the mirror fetishism and exhibitionism

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that you know, some sort of sexual sadists and evil

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devian takes pleasure. And I believe and I'll get into

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the evidence for this as we get on with this

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sort of treatment of Sevil. You know, he very much

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was was an a cult practitioner, and I he thought

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he was deriving power from what he was doing to

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these people. And this this ritualistic uh abuse of the dead,

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as we've discussed in other capacities in this series, that

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very much partakes of a a commitment to transgressive acts

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as a way of of transcending ordinary psychological and moral

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barriers to uh, you know, human conduct that you know,

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suppose they confers power upon the adept. And this uh,

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this goes way back. You know, like I said, there

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was some of these dark and what we consider heretical

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and within our traditions, like there within Tibetan Buddhism, for example,

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there was people who worshiped death and terror gods. But

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also there are people who'd avail themselves to uh you know,

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not not just deprivations of the flesh, but you know,

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uh wallowing and filth and things to overcome their aversion

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to this kind of repellent and repulsive stimulus. Because by

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doing that, they were you know, overcoming human instincts that

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that that that tend to uh you know, preclude uh

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entire categories of conduct and and action. You know, this

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isn't uh something that will just peculiar to stab, but

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where I can just be chalked up to a discreete

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individuated fetish is what I'm getting at, you know, and

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if if you look at the entire pattern of conduct

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over a literal lifetime, I think this becomes fairly clear

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to anybody who knows what they're looking for in this case,

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in cases like it. But the uh and when I

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say it, really I'm jumping around a bit. But it's

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even as Saville sort of reached the end of his relevance,

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you know, Top of the Pops by the nineties, it uh,

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it wasn't It was no longer a weekly program. I

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mean not just because the traditional music charts had We're

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already losing relevance, but that that kind of that sort

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of format was becoming antiquated. I think the last Top

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of the Pops was some sort of Christmas special in

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two thousand and four, which Saville hosted. But you know,

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he remained uh, sort of that center of uh British

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media life because again he was constantly raising huge amounts

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of money for charity. And I don't think that's mysterious

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why he's doing that. Again, I found it a bit

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ridiculous that there's even a conversation about that. Obviously, that

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that kept him in the public eye. And there's all

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kinds of there's all kinds of ridiculous people who are,

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you know, contemptible in their own right, but not nearly

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the degree of savile, you know, who make a big

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show of, you know, you know, starting up some charity

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for you know, for a you know, a victim, mascots

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or for sick people or whatever. I mean, look look

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like that billan Wendy Gates Foundation. But famously Louis Threau,

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who in the nineties to the early two thousands, I've

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always found him to be a really smarmy, grotesque, uh individual.

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He reminds me of a he reminds me of a

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Robert Donney Junior's character in Natural Born Killers. You know,

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I mean, he's almost that ledge of a caricature and

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he he Uh. In two thousand, he did this uh

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special on on Jimmy Saville when his his sort of

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life and times, where Louis Threau spent a weekend with

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Saville and that will you know, travel to some gala event.

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Did you know in that it had to recognizing the

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contributions to whatever charity or because he was currently emphasizing

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and uh, it's a bizarre program I anybody who's interested

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in the subject matter should watch it, and pretty much

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out of the gate thorough asks him, you know, what's

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about these doc rumors about you in pedophilia. It's like, okay,

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so what kind of question is that to ask if

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supposedly Savo was, you know, hiding his nature from everybody

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you know? And uh, Sabio gave a typical sort of

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non answer, which was his m But he'd be confronted

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with naked accusations relating to his conduct, he'd avoid the

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question with a nonsensical answer by doing something ridiculous, like

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on one on one occasion in the age, when he

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was asked about one of the instances that made its

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way to the public record, there was some underage girl

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who he was discovered with at is in one of

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his apartments, and when asked about it, Saville literally pulled

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a banana out of his pocket and started eating this

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banana in a really gross way, and the audience starts laughing,

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and that just kind of derailed the entire Atlanta questioning.

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But that's another thing too. Saville was buddies with all

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sorts of police officers in all basically in all the

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jurisdictions where he maintained residences and it was actively offending.

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And I mean that's very strange too. It's not it's

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not odd that some deviant individual would would would cultivate

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those kinds of relationships, but the fact that so many

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police officers, including men of coming and rank, would be

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receptive to that, and what I'm getting at, and I'll

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proffer what I think is the evidence substantiating this inference.

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The Sable had a lot in common with Epstein. He

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was far far more violent and personally, you know, and

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but he was he was both a fixer and he

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was a pimp. You know. There's there's an anecdote, and

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I'll get into this next episode because there's a number

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of documents that I want to be able to refer

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to that I haven't corralled yet. A nephew of Saviles

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related that in the nineteen seventies, him and some of

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his friends, you know, they periodically run away and find

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themselves in London, the London suburbs, you know, sniff and

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blue and drinking and stuff. And he said, on one

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of these uh, on one these larks, some old eye

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shows up and offered him, you know, a substantial some

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of money to come with him to a party. So

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he and his friends get there and it's a it's

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a bunch of middle aged and elderly men, you know,

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having their way with with boys. And Saville's nephew said

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that suddenly Saville shows up and grabs him and says,

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what are you doing here? You've got to get out

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of here. And uh so sabl like rushes him out

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of there, puts some money in his pocket, uh takes

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them to the train station. Is something in the order

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of like, you know, if you tell your aunt and

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numble about this, you know, you're I don't need to

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tell you what's gonna happen to you, you know. And

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I find that entirely credible. But and then so that's

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one aspect of this and why it's relevant. It's not

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just it's a of it's not just the case of

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you know, elite dev and c or whatever. Saville is

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very much a procure and a fixer and a and

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a pimp and an extortionist, you know. Like I said,

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he was very Epstein like. He also, he'd make a

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big deal in in interviews, in his autobiography and other

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things about how much he loved the Jewish community, and

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he said in Leeds growing up, he said, you know,

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there was all these Jewish refugees from the continent and

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he's like, I realized that these people knew how to

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do business. You know, what a great race of people.

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And this British invesigative journalist Dan Davies, he visited Sable's

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home in the early two thousands, and so Sadle's showing

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him essentially his trophy case. You know, here's you know,

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here's me with the Queen. You know, here's me with

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00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:02,360
the chuck Berry. You know, here's a here's uh you

473
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,519
know this uh, here's my order of the British Empire.

474
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,119
But then he's got this manora like proudly displayed, and

475
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,760
Davies is like, what is that And he's like, oh,

476
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,639
you know that's uh. I was recognized, you know, from

477
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,199
my service to the Jewish people. When you know a

478
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,480
London rabbi gifted me, that isn't that great? And he's

479
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,320
a church He was a Churchill worshiper too, Like he

480
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,360
sought out Churchill daughter and collected a bunch of church

481
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,000
On memorabilia and things, and so that was both those

482
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,679
things are are consistent motifs, and that's not insignificant in

483
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:41,960
my opinion, you know, and it bespeaks of how this

484
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,480
uh that this Catholic guy from Leeds with uh whose

485
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,400
father was basically a riminal class criminal could you know,

486
00:37:53,360 --> 00:38:05,559
get insinuated into some of these social circles. But uh,

487
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:14,920
it's you know, but the uh. To bring it back

488
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,880
to the Threau documentary, the whole thing really made a

489
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:27,159
lot of people queasy, especially because the Thereau had become

490
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,679
This is the first time a lot of Americans became

491
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,880
truly aware of seb you know who had I mean,

492
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,400
my my folks knew about him because they my folks

493
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,800
lived in the UK for years, and people who were

494
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,800
into sort of the deep lore of of the music

495
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,119
industry knew about him. But Thereau came in the raidar

496
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,719
of a lot of Americans because he spent a lot

497
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
of time in America with American subject matter, like he

498
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,559
famously did one of these interviews, uh with with Tommy

499
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,920
Mesker was actually kind of funny because Mesger kind of

500
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,679
terrorizes him. He did this one where he was h

501
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:09,719
he was in the San Fernando Valley in the late

502
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,639
nineties talking all these people who were involved in pornography.

503
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,000
When when when when VHS and DVD pornography was at zenith,

504
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,760
you know he uh, I think he did one where

505
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,360
he was talking to a people from the Army of God,

506
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,159
you know, they and that was the outfit that Eric

507
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,599
Rudolph was at least obliquely affiliated with. You know, there

508
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:40,440
were people who tractually had a jihad mindset towards the

509
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:44,320
issue of resisting abortion on demand. But so in any event,

510
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,960
a lot of Americans watched this Jimmy Sevil piece and

511
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,679
come away with the impression of less. That's really disturbing,

512
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:01,159
and it seemed as if Threau was trying to it

513
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,880
listit incriminating statements from Sable, but then at Saville's funeral,

514
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,480
throw eulogizes them as some kind of hero. You know,

515
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,280
this was a great man. You know, he was so

516
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000
thoughtless and he lived to serve others, you know, really

517
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:26,480
really strange. And that's kind of what characterizes, particularly from

518
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:31,400
the seventies onward, that that sort of characterizes the way

519
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,440
he was presented by a lot of his fellow media personalities.

520
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:42,079
The whole draw was that, Okay, it's strongly suspected, if

521
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:48,559
not genuinely obvious. This man is a deviant. Let's try

522
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:51,920
and put him on the spot and see if he

523
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,280
slips up, but then simultaneously assigning the sort of hero

524
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,239
status to him as this great man, you know, and

525
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:09,800
that I there's people who, uh, this is I don't

526
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,679
show this perspective. There's people who suggest that Sava was

527
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:21,360
a genuine sorcerer, that he can manipulate people's perceptions in

528
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:28,239
ways that bordered on supernatural. I mean, don't get me wrong.

529
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:38,119
I Sava wasn't definitely in communion with dark forces, or

530
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:40,159
at least he believed that he was, and that was

531
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,440
his grand ambition in terms of you know, his his

532
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,639
metaphysical belief structure and things. Whether you or I or

533
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,320
anybody else believes in that kind of thing or not.

534
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,519
But I it's it's an oversimplification and somebody characterize it

535
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,079
that way. Like I said, at the in the UK

536
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:10,639
eparticularly in England, in Scotland as well, the body politic

537
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:16,119
really was convinced that this was uh, this man was

538
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,000
a powerful and sinister personage and they and they were

539
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,000
afraid of him even in death, and to this day,

540
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:33,679
both BBC and UH Scotland Yard. They're very very taciturn

541
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:44,000
on the subject of Seville. And I've heard it said often, well,

542
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,239
obviously there's ongoing fallout from this. They don't want themselves

543
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,800
to be exposed. Then everybody would just as soon forget it.

544
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,280
That's that's not really what we're talking about. That there's

545
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:03,760
something that there's something deeper than that and sociological terms

546
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,960
and in terms of symbolic psychology, you know, And that's

547
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:16,440
what's disturbing about this. It it speaks to some of

548
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:26,000
these really strange and atavistic characteristics of you know, the

549
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,360
culture of the United Kingdom. And one of the reasons,

550
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,400
like we were talking about when we were talking about C. S.

551
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:40,519
Lewis some months back, for sometime last year, probably we're

552
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,400
talking about that Hideous Strength specifically which which is a

553
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,880
really incredible book, you know, and of particular significance in

554
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:54,199
that novel is the person of Merlin as a wominal figure. Well,

555
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,719
I also really will and I mentioned in that discussion

556
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,119
the film The wicker Man with a Word and Christopher Lee.

557
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840
But the in The wigger Man that the person the

558
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,159
character of Lord Somerset played by Christopher Lee, he's supposed

559
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:22,039
to embody the enduring pagan UH psychological and metaphysical stratum

560
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:28,119
of Britain that endures, and this ongoing tension between Paganism

561
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:36,000
and Christianity and reason and and and pre rational an

562
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:43,000
atavistic UH belief and in magic and spirits and occulted phenomenon.

563
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,280
That's a real thing. And Savile is is part of that,

564
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,480
you know. I mean, yes, there are parallels being Saville

565
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,400
and Epstein definitely whatever was said, But there wouldn't be

566
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,079
a Jimmy Saville in America. It just wouldn't. It wouldn't

567
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:05,440
develop that way, and the person in question wouldn't be

568
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:10,639
viewed that way. You know. That's why the American Samiel

569
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,280
is Epstein, if you follow me.

570
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, and on that point, there are sort of more

571
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:22,880
Sables than Sable, right you have Gary Glitter, Yeah, who

572
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,239
is not one hundred Obviously they're different people and I'm

573
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,639
speaking metaphorically of course, but very very similar figures. And

574
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320
you know, in the US, sure you could say, well,

575
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,480
look at at someone like Ditty and okay, ostensibly there

576
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:45,760
are broad similarities, but Diddy just seems like a sex pervert. Yeah,

577
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,800
there's not, right, There's not that much more to it,

578
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,840
and similarly, this is well beyond the scope, but it's

579
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,000
it's worth mentioning. Most of the outrageous things you've read

580
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:02,239
about Diddy are al leegations in civil court, which, given

581
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:09,039
the community at question, be very very suspicious when everyone

582
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
you know who maybe met him once is saying, yeah,

583
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,719
did he you know, had his way with me? Give

584
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,719
me three million dollars Thomas, Yeah.

585
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: No. As far as real quick, as far as I

586
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,719
can tell about about Sean Diddy Combs, he seems, uh,

587
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,159
he seems like a really really dumb black guy, and

588
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,559
he seems like a he seems like a very closet

589
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:34,639
and self hating gay guy. He gets up with some

590
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,320
really really gross things, and like a lot of guys

591
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,360
from that population, he thinks he's iceberg slim and tries

592
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880
to flex of some sort of pimp. I mean, yeah,

593
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:53,159
there's nothing, there's nothing there beyond typical, you know, banality

594
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,039
of a very familiar sort a figure who relates to

595
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:03,599
Saddle as well. William McGrath. He was at the center

596
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:06,760
of the Concora Boys School scandal, which is an awful,

597
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,639
awful case.

598
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: Is that the last image you have for me, By

599
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,719
the way, what's that? Is that the relevant to the

600
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,079
last image you have sent to me?

601
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Bring it up. No, that's uh. That's

602
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,159
the Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe on the left and Saddle

603
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:30,000
on the right. That's them their buddies the early nineties.

604
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,440
But William McGrath in the in the movie Resurrection Man

605
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:40,760
that our dear friend Pete Q and I reviewed the

606
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,280
the the kind of almost satanic UH preacher who's uh

607
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,039
curating Victor and his uh and and the coump and

608
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,000
and his uh you know, death squad carry out these

609
00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:00,199
ripper murders that he's obviously based on McGrath and uh

610
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:10,599
Gusty Spence forbade under presumably penalty of death. Ultimately, it

611
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,360
which from associating with McGrath. But McGrath was a He

612
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,039
was a child molester and and a homosexual rapist, and

613
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,199
he had this bizarre ideology of British Israelism that he

614
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,519
tried to incorporate into this radical loyalist perspective, and he

615
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,599
founded this almost cult uh like organization called Tara and

616
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,719
uh he it became always dispense that he was he

617
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,639
was trying to draw young UVF men into his orbit

618
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:48,000
for deviant purposes. But there was this, uh, there's a

619
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:55,000
there's this home for orphaned youth and McGrath and his

620
00:48:55,159 --> 00:49:00,760
uh and his sicko buddies were esplating these these boys

621
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,199
in the worst way and every organized capacity. And uh

622
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,880
McGrath is obviously from cure and his his clients included,

623
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:16,400
you know, policemen and lesser royals and things. And there's

624
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,679
another case. The there's another case the establishment. They're trying

625
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,000
to present this as some as some isolated incident, when

626
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,199
clearly it was not. But you know McGrath also, I mean,

627
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:37,519
I it's murky. And obviously obviously people uh Samath to

628
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:42,679
Irish Republicanism will claim that McGrath is somehow just a

629
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,360
representative of loyalism. I'm not gonna open that kind of worms.

630
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,840
I mean, that's that's fucking stupid. But beyond that, I

631
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:56,199
believe a lot of McGraths British Israel Israelism bullshit was

632
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:02,239
was a cover for like bizarre occult beliefs. But you know,

633
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,920
he's he's another like he's another. He was a sort

634
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,000
of uh, a mini Epstein of a very uh sort

635
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,679
of provincial sort that could only exist in a highly

636
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:25,840
insular cultural environment. But nevertheless, yeah and yeah, Gary, Gary

637
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,039
Glitter uh and uh and Saville were buddies. So that

638
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,320
Saville and friends. I mean, that's another thing. Saville really

639
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,400
he made a big deal about how he'd never get

640
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,400
married because his only true love was his mommy. You know,

641
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,199
like another another sociopathic deviant who's he's a mama's boy,

642
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:48,239
you know, just like Piggy Clinton and many others. But he, uh,

643
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,280
you know, he he lacked normal emotions and patterns of

644
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,639
association with his fellow man and woman. You know, he

645
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:02,760
really didn't have friends. He had people he seemed to

646
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,679
wield some sort of power over, and he had he

647
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,199
had co conspirators, and he had deviants who shared in

648
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,599
his evil fascinations and things. But you know, it's not

649
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:18,760
as if he had a circle of comrades or something,

650
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,119
but such that he did have affiliates. Uh. Yeah, Gary

651
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:29,119
Glitter was one of them. And well that's another bizarre

652
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:34,920
thing too, uh Saville. Uh, some of his police associates

653
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:42,400
and well placed men in the various communities that he'd

654
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:49,639
insinue it himself into, he'd uh he'd organize uh like

655
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,280
cocktail hours or tea times that he'd called them Monday Club,

656
00:51:54,440 --> 00:52:00,000
if memory serves, and Dan Davies said that when Saville

657
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:07,119
finally agreed to be interviewed, upon entering Savile's apartment, he

658
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,119
was cornered and then frisked by a couple of cops

659
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,079
who were like hanging out there and stables. Chuck almost

660
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,840
said like, you know, yeah, they're they're they're charter members

661
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,400
of my Monday Club, you know, And it's like that

662
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:25,480
hell was that? You know? It's yeah, but yeah, that's

663
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,880
about all I got for my introduction. I don't want

664
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,519
to get into the substance of some of this documentary

665
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,719
evidence because all the I don't I don't want to

666
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,320
interrupt the natural flow of the conversation, So not at all. Yeah, okay,

667
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:41,840
we can.

668
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: We can return whenever you're ready for another part on that. Obviously,

669
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,159
people know where to find you, Thomas on Substack, on

670
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,920
your YouTube channel. Uh, honestly, your YouTube channel has been great.

671
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960
A lot of the old content that was previously paywalled

672
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,719
is available there for free. Check it out and I'll

673
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,639
be down in the description link the Substack. Also, sooner

674
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,519
or later, we're going to have another episode of Radio

675
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for Chicago out. If you were on the gum Road

676
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,199
and you're wondering why did I not get notified, I

677
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,760
don't know, man. Gum Road is a truly baffling platform.

678
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't genuinely glad of it. Man, I really can't.

679
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,440
I thought it was just because I'm old, but it no,

680
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:20,920
it makes no sense whatsoever.

681
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,119
Speaker 2: So if that's annoying, obviously. The episodes are also mirrored

682
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on my substack and Thomas's substack. I wish there was

683
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a better version of gum Road than gum Road, but

684
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it's what we've got. As far as my stuff, the

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686
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689
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690
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691
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He's code Burden. It's fifteen percent off. I had it

692
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693
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still in the cop It's pretty good.

694
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Speaker 1: One of our guys.

695
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Speaker 2: Check that out again, Thomas, thanks so much man, it

696
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,639
was fun.

697
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: No, thank you my fun.

698
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: Everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't last forever.

699
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: Good Night,