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<v Speaker 1>Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't you ask him how many people he's raised

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<v Speaker 3>him and how many people he's murdered?

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<v Speaker 4>Why didn't you bring him to justice?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi?

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<v Speaker 6>This is episode three hundred and fourteen of Sword and Scale,

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<v Speaker 6>a show that reveals it the worst monsters sometimes don't

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<v Speaker 6>need a bunch of dubstep. I'm your host, Mike Boudet,

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<v Speaker 6>or sometimes it's the Bidet, or sometimes it's just that

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<v Speaker 6>nazi or that racist or that misogynist over there, the

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<v Speaker 6>one that hosts that show that nobody likes. Anyway, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>here not to talk about politics, but I'm just going

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<v Speaker 6>to play some jams today, because you know what, that's

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<v Speaker 6>all I've ever wanted to do. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>be a DJ, just wanted to play some tunes.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, people listened and praised me for So that's what

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<v Speaker 6>we're doing. That's nice, isn't it. Gotta love that jazz guitar.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>They say that when you get tired of what it

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<v Speaker 6>is you're doing, when you when you get sick of it,

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<v Speaker 6>you should probably stop doing it. Well, the people would

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<v Speaker 6>say that are fucking morons because you still have a

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<v Speaker 6>mortgage and some electric bills and whatnot. So here we

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<v Speaker 6>are again, and we're going to tell you a murder story.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes we are. Unfortunately, somebody has to die for your entertainment,

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<v Speaker 6>you fucking weirdos. But uh, it is what you've come

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<v Speaker 6>to expect when you come here, or isn't it. I

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<v Speaker 6>guess that's my fault. I guess everything is my fault.

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<v Speaker 6>I keep doing bad things. I'm such an unempathetic jerk.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I would probably just quit deleet my show, right.

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<v Speaker 6>It would throw a parade. Actually, that's a good reason

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<v Speaker 6>to keep going. November twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, it was

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<v Speaker 6>just after four o'clock in the afternoon in Lake Worth, Florida,

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<v Speaker 6>at the Try Rail station. An employee was frantically pacing

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<v Speaker 6>in his booth as he called nine one one. A

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<v Speaker 6>crisis was looming on the train tracks.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, my name's Charlie and I'm calling them Try

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<v Speaker 8>Rail and I'm here for one of our passing trains.

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<v Speaker 8>Reported that just north, about one hundred feet north of

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<v Speaker 8>the seventh Avenue North crossing in Lake Worth, so we

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<v Speaker 8>have a crossing there just west of I ninety five.

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<v Speaker 8>There's somebody lying down about ten feet.

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<v Speaker 9>East of the east.

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<v Speaker 8>Tracks, lying on the ground. We don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 8>if it's a body, or if it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 8>somebody just sleeping or whatever. I do have security on

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<v Speaker 8>the way. One second, wait, all go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>As the caller was on the phone, one of his

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<v Speaker 6>colleagues came into the booth. He had more to report

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<v Speaker 6>on this mysterious body.

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<v Speaker 5>So we shot everything out, all right, See the radio

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<v Speaker 5>that was about that something.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's okay, exactly right, right, So seventh Avenue north

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<v Speaker 8>and world well on the railroad tracks, the Tryrail tracks.

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<v Speaker 6>The body on the side of the tracks was covered

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<v Speaker 6>in blood, his legs and arms splayed out. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>clear whether he was dead or alive just yet, and

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<v Speaker 6>no one could get close enough because the trains were

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<v Speaker 6>still rolling into the station one by one. Panic set

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<v Speaker 6>in as the Tryrail employees tried to figure out what

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<v Speaker 6>had happened. If he'd been hit by a train, this

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<v Speaker 6>could be a major problem. Terrible optics. We know how

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<v Speaker 6>important pr is these days. The crew had no choice

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<v Speaker 6>but to call an emergency and try to shut things

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<v Speaker 6>down as quickly as they could.

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<v Speaker 1>And is he breathing? You?

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<v Speaker 7>You know what I do?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Okay, So I'm going to get the terminated.

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<v Speaker 4>But near the Triro seeking.

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<v Speaker 5>Near the triro track, there's a meal covered in blood. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>sar east the west side of the track. He's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of the track, Sure, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he breathing? Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>Did you know if can you ask your guy there

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<v Speaker 5>down the radio?

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<v Speaker 7>They just call him.

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<v Speaker 8>This came from a passing train.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, that's all they had.

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<v Speaker 8>First They said, you know, it looked like maybe a

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<v Speaker 8>body or somebody sleeping there. And then the second train

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<v Speaker 8>just went by. And you heard what I did from

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<v Speaker 8>the disk backer about this MT Just get there.

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<v Speaker 5>Your guys from east and there get breathing. Another call

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<v Speaker 5>and he said that the guy spuntily deceased and he's

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<v Speaker 5>uh got hit.

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<v Speaker 6>By trains kept rolling through the station. Those calls flooded in.

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<v Speaker 6>At the same moment, another passenger dialed nine one one

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<v Speaker 6>from his cell phone.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm taking the train down from the West Bombach station down.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a dead man on the side.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the train.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw him from the window. To gu go, was

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<v Speaker 5>a dead guy on the side of the road. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>an office right now on the train on top to him.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, have been here on the trains?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, he was running on the ground, was looking

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<v Speaker 5>out the windows, were going into the Lakeport station, just

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<v Speaker 5>above Lake Wart station. There was the man here. He

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<v Speaker 5>got shot and before he got hit by the trains. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so this is that's the lake Ward Tirol station, above

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<v Speaker 5>the Lake Wart station along the tracks where we're slowing

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<v Speaker 5>down coming into station or the dead manerside to call

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<v Speaker 5>blody double feedo.

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<v Speaker 6>Passengers had gathered around the collar. How could they not

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<v Speaker 6>after miles of gravel and green bushes. They rolled into

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<v Speaker 6>the city station and just as the train picked up

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<v Speaker 6>speed again. There it was a bloody mess just off

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<v Speaker 6>the tracks.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like I would grow up in tracking. Got

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<v Speaker 5>hit by the north down train.

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<v Speaker 7>I stand up when I need to get the panetics

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<v Speaker 7>on the line.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>The train kept going. The body was now a memory

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<v Speaker 6>in the distance, but that image was unshakable.

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<v Speaker 5>Get talking to the opposite here on the train. There's

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<v Speaker 5>already people on the way to take care of it. Dude, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>there is no address. I'm on the am Kink train

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<v Speaker 5>hitting out hit above blake Work to date hit. There

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<v Speaker 5>was a man on the other side of the track.

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<v Speaker 5>I went looking out the one day he said it.

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<v Speaker 5>From what I could say, he was early mess up.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you tell me? Are you just north of Lakeworth Road?

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<v Speaker 5>Actually no, I'm on the train with just north of

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<v Speaker 5>Blakeworth day along the train tracks, along the train track

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<v Speaker 5>on the on the north out side of the train,

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<v Speaker 5>on the other side track. He was playing ate up

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<v Speaker 5>and he was a mess up exactly, I mean literally,

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<v Speaker 5>probably can't go off the train.

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<v Speaker 6>Passengers talked in groups, trading half formed memories of the

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<v Speaker 6>body they thought they saw as the train sped on. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 6>tri Rail employees were still on the phone with nine

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<v Speaker 6>one one, trying to make sense of it all. What

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<v Speaker 6>most passengers didn't know is that this wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 6>one off tragedy. In cities across America, the edges of

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<v Speaker 6>public infrastructure like train tracks, underpasses and wooded areas, I've

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<v Speaker 6>quietly become home for those with nowhere else to goose.

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<v Speaker 5>That's another call.

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<v Speaker 8>What's another call that I guess all that he was

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<v Speaker 8>read by the tracks for your driver said, yeah, about

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<v Speaker 8>ten the east of the tracks. We do have a

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<v Speaker 8>train drop a shruckdown at this time?

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't say if he could sell about some

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<v Speaker 1>how old this male was.

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<v Speaker 5>A description or anything like that. I'm not a fanic nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>The Palm Beach sheriff arrived at the train station. They

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<v Speaker 6>hiked up the tracks towards the bloody man. The closer

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<v Speaker 6>they walked, the more obvious it became. This man hadn't

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<v Speaker 6>been hit by a train. He'd been butchered. He lay

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<v Speaker 6>sprawled on the cobblestones, blood soaking the rocks beneath his head.

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<v Speaker 6>His blue eyes stared skyward, frozen in fear. The victim

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<v Speaker 6>had a fatal stab wound to the neck, the source

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<v Speaker 6>of all the blood. He also had defensive wounds on

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<v Speaker 6>the fingers of both hands, a laceration to his left

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<v Speaker 6>hand and his stomach, and a slice to his right jawline.

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<v Speaker 6>It was brutal. His T shirt, his khaki shorts, his

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<v Speaker 6>bare feet. The man looked like someone's middle aged dad

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<v Speaker 6>who'd wandered off the beach and walked straight into hell.

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<v Speaker 6>Blood covered every inch of them. His officers moved up

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<v Speaker 6>the tracks. They spotted a pair of sunglasses. A few

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<v Speaker 6>steps later, they found it a four foot long broad

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<v Speaker 6>sword slick with blood. Think of a brave heart. The

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<v Speaker 6>officers paused. The sword was ornate, It had a woven

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<v Speaker 6>silver handle with two floral designs at the edges. It

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<v Speaker 6>looked like something out of a Scottish museum. Yet here

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<v Speaker 6>it was lying on the dirty rocks by the train tracks,

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<v Speaker 6>covered in blood. Nothing about the victim fit the weapon,

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<v Speaker 6>but the blood, the sword, it all pointed to something

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<v Speaker 6>very deliberate. That's when officers heard it, voices drifting from

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<v Speaker 6>the trees just beyond the tracks. So they started walking,

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<v Speaker 6>and as they did, they found themselves following a trail

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<v Speaker 6>of blood towards the sounds. In the brush. About seventy

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<v Speaker 6>five feet north of where the body was found, the

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<v Speaker 6>police discovered a small homeless encampment. The camp wasn't accidental,

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<v Speaker 6>It was laid out with intention. There was distance between

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<v Speaker 6>the tents and shared resources. This wasn't just survival, it

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<v Speaker 6>was strategy. In twenty seventeen, sleeping in public was criminalized

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<v Speaker 6>in Palm Beach County, a place where lots of very

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<v Speaker 6>wealthy people live, so the people here stayed out of

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<v Speaker 6>sight and far from the law. There was one large

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<v Speaker 6>tent on the far north side of the camp, tucked

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<v Speaker 6>away in trees like a little plastic cottage. About twenty

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<v Speaker 6>feet down from that was another tent set up in

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<v Speaker 6>the same neat and organized fashion as the first one.

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<v Speaker 6>The police drew their weapons and announced themselves. Two couples

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<v Speaker 6>emerged from the tents with their hands up and shocked faces.

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<v Speaker 6>After things cooled down, the police started recording.

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<v Speaker 10>All right, who who would like to speak with me?

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<v Speaker 10>So you're pick all right, how about we go this

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<v Speaker 10>way Europe? All right, Hi, I'm Paul. Excuse me, I'm Paul.

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<v Speaker 10>My hands are dirty, Okay, I'm sorry. Can what is

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<v Speaker 10>your first name? Tasha?

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<v Speaker 7>T A s h A.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me who resides in this location?

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<v Speaker 11>As far as I know, it's just Robert and I

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<v Speaker 11>on this first heads okay, and it's greed and it's

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<v Speaker 11>got like a black tarp uh that's got the bis

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<v Speaker 11>queen plastic piece on.

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<v Speaker 7>Top of it.

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<v Speaker 11>And then pretty good distance away you have the walk

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<v Speaker 11>and path through in between as a generator.

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<v Speaker 7>After the generator is the white and blue tag. Okay.

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<v Speaker 12>So your tenant is the furthest north north, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So then you pass a generator who do

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<v Speaker 1>you get to next?

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<v Speaker 7>I get to which I thought her name was Gladys?

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, today what's her name? That's how close we stay

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<v Speaker 13>his names. And then I know Kenny because he work

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<v Speaker 13>with Robert. He lives with Carol.

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<v Speaker 6>According to Tasha McGraw, the camp was quite spread out.

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<v Speaker 6>Tasha and Robert Pellettier shared a generator with another homeless couple,

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<v Speaker 12>Robert and Tasha, Carol slash, Gladys and Kenny. And then

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<v Speaker 12>who else is here?

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<v Speaker 11>I know that somewhere this way there was a guy

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<v Speaker 7>He is I guess, Jarrett. This is what I was told.

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<v Speaker 11>That was my guess, because he spends hours on and

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<v Speaker 7>Out of my ask get out of my house. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 11>Does it continuously until he wears himself one passes out.

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<v Speaker 6>The man with turret syndrome. Chris lived far far off

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<v Speaker 1>So, Tasha, I'm sure you know why we're here.

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<v Speaker 11>I have no idea, Okay, all right, I'll be honest

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<v Speaker 7>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 11>I am curious and probably should be smiling because there's

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<v Speaker 11>the characters here, which means there's probably something serious it's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you have no idea why we're here.

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<v Speaker 7>I heard somebody yelling earlier.

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<v Speaker 11>One it was Chris. Probably I lose shot at top.

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<v Speaker 11>I was holding clothes, maybe three point thirty, and I

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<v Speaker 11>could be Robert would be if I looked in my phone,

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<v Speaker 11>I could tell you exactly what time I heard Kelly,

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<v Speaker 11>because I was texting at the time that they yelling.

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<v Speaker 11>And I said to Robert, I think Chris has gotten out, okay.

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<v Speaker 11>And we came to the door and listened, and he said,

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<v Speaker 11>I see it. He's like, I think it's just Chris

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<v Speaker 11>and doctor cleaning.

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<v Speaker 6>Life at the small encampment was relatively calm, except for Chris.

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<v Speaker 6>Though his tent was far away and hidden beneath some brush.

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<v Speaker 6>He still came out, but he was one of the

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<v Speaker 6>She went to. All the couples at the camp were

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<v Speaker 6>living a pretty normal existence beyond the fact that they

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<v Speaker 11>These four people, Kenny and Carol and Robert and I

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<v Speaker 11>stay away from the the you know, he is hanging

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<v Speaker 11>out in front of the store.

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<v Speaker 7>None of us shrink or do drugs. We can't. We

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<v Speaker 7>get we work, break, we.

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<v Speaker 11>Eat, We have a generator at the TV and all

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<v Speaker 11>those things, because that's what we spend our money on,

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<v Speaker 11>not on drinking and drunks.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, my car was.

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<v Speaker 11>Just recently Toad and I've been back here for just

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<v Speaker 7>Okay.

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<v Speaker 11>I leave that four in forty five in the morning.

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<v Speaker 11>I work at the labor.

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<v Speaker 14>Hall and I'm likely to get by.

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<v Speaker 7>Six or six thirty at night. I'm working in Belglade.

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<v Speaker 10>So wow, Okay, is there anybody else that you know

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<v Speaker 10>of that stays here or lives here or anything like that? No, Okay,

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<v Speaker 10>does anybody ever have any people over?

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<v Speaker 7>No? Okay, I would never bring anybody.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to say. If all this is true, Tasha

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<v Speaker 6>is pretty incredible. She's got some serious spiritual serenity. We

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<v Speaker 6>could all use a piece of She is homeless, living

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<v Speaker 6>in a tent in the woods. Her car has been

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<v Speaker 6>towed and she clearly can't get it back. But here

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<v Speaker 6>she is making the best of it, still getting up

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<v Speaker 6>at four forty five am to go to work. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean that's admirable to the public. Homeless encampments soften conjure

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<v Speaker 6>images of chaos and danger, and although that's true to

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<v Speaker 6>some extent, that's not always the full story. People like

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<v Speaker 6>Tasha are holding down jobs, folding laundry by flashlight, and

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<v Speaker 6>doing their best to live quiet, invisible lives.

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<v Speaker 1>What does Chris look like?

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<v Speaker 11>As far as the only way, the only way I

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<v Speaker 11>know what he looks like is because they described it

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<v Speaker 11>to me, and I remember seeing work.

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<v Speaker 7>He ass some kind of tattoo on his forehead. I

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<v Speaker 7>believe the tribals on his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>It look like a propeller.

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's more like a tribal thing. It could

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<v Speaker 11>be a propeller. I know it's not a tear drop,

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<v Speaker 11>but it's right smagg center of his forehead, and it's

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<v Speaker 11>not tiny, it's big.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a good site too.

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<v Speaker 11>I think I know Chris, and that he had longer hair,

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<v Speaker 11>and he always more Spandex shorts.

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<v Speaker 6>The officer knew Chris from the streets. It was hard

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<v Speaker 6>not to. He looked like Iggy Pop if Iggy Pop

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<v Speaker 6>wore spandex and hiking boots and rode a scooter around

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<v Speaker 6>town with his mullet blowing in the wind. What a sight.

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<v Speaker 6>Chris had a big tattoo in the center of his

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<v Speaker 6>forehead that looked like a swastika or maybe a plane propeller.

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing says I want to be homeless forever than a

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<v Speaker 6>tattoo on your face. He wore a snake pendant around

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<v Speaker 6>his neck and a thick gold Superman ring on his finger.

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<v Speaker 6>Most days, he didn't bother to put on a shirt.

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<v Speaker 6>While one officer talked with Tasha, a few others made

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<v Speaker 6>their way down to Chris's tent. When they got to

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<v Speaker 6>his spot, they noticed a large sword hanging by the

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<v Speaker 6>door like a do not enter sign. The camp had

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<v Speaker 6>become sort of a no go zone, not officially but practically.

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<v Speaker 6>Police didn't patrol it. Why would they. Until this moment,

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<v Speaker 6>they hadn't even known that it existed. As the officers

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<v Speaker 6>got closer, they could hear Chris inside his tent. When

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<v Speaker 6>he finally came out, he was screaming. He attacked me,

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<v Speaker 6>He attacked me. Chris's hand was bloody and so swollen

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<v Speaker 6>it looked like a baseball man. It had been wrapped

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<v Speaker 6>up in a bandage that was soaked with blood. The

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<v Speaker 6>officers cuffed him. As they sat him on the ground,

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<v Speaker 6>they suddenly noticed the trail of blood that they had

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<v Speaker 6>originally he followed. It led straight to Chris's tent. How's

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<v Speaker 6>that for detective work. It was a strange irony, a crime,

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<v Speaker 6>this loud in a place built to be silent. If

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<v Speaker 6>it hadn't spilled onto the train tracks, the world may

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<v Speaker 6>have never found out about it. Off the tri rail

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<v Speaker 6>tracks in Lakeworth, Florida, passengers on various trains had noticed

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<v Speaker 6>the dead body of a middle aged man out on

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<v Speaker 6>the tracks. Train traffic was halted as the police investigated

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<v Speaker 6>what happened to this unassuming victim who looked like he

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<v Speaker 6>belonged at a Palm beach casino instead of butchered by

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<v Speaker 6>the railroad tracks. Next to the victim's body was the

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<v Speaker 6>murder weapon of four foot long sword. If I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 6>that maybe the first sword murder we've told on sword

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<v Speaker 6>and Scale, which is kind of weird. Following the blood

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<v Speaker 6>trail from the victim's body, the police discovered a small

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<v Speaker 6>homeless encampment where three tents were set up. Two of

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<v Speaker 6>the tents were inhabited by couples, and the furthest tent

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<v Speaker 6>was owned by a man named Chris. A very wild

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<v Speaker 6>man named Chris. He was known on the streets for

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<v Speaker 6>his erratic behavior and ridiculous appearance. The police took Chris

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<v Speaker 6>up to the Fire and Rescue to get his hand

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<v Speaker 6>injury looked at, and while they did, the other officers

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<v Speaker 6>continued to question the couples at the encampment. They started

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<v Speaker 6>talking with the other couple, Carol and Kenny.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, so Carol, what's been going on today? How the

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<v Speaker 15>day start out? What's what have you been doing?

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<v Speaker 7>All?

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<v Speaker 8>Well?

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<v Speaker 7>As normal, we always wake up to Chris screaming home.

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<v Speaker 15>He wakes up screaming. Is that a normal occurrence? He's schizophrenic? Okay,

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<v Speaker 15>at least that's a peel so normal day.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, day, we went to dunkin Donuts, came back and

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<v Speaker 16>this is what Mara were intent watching TV when the

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<v Speaker 16>Shris who showed up.

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<v Speaker 6>Carol and her husband spent most of their time shuffling

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<v Speaker 6>back and forth from the dunkin Donuts to their tent. Inside,

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<v Speaker 6>they had set up a makeshift kitchen and bedroom where

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<v Speaker 6>they tried to stay away from Chris's chaos. As Carol

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<v Speaker 6>put it, he was unstable, but over time the chaos

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<v Speaker 6>became routine. So when he knocked on their tent, and

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<v Speaker 6>I say knocked because I don't know what else to say,

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<v Speaker 6>when he knocked on their tent asking for an ACE bandage,

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<v Speaker 6>she didn't think much of it.

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<v Speaker 15>You guys went to dunkin Donuts today, you were here

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<v Speaker 15>watching TV?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 15>How long ago would you say that he came up

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<v Speaker 15>and asked for an ace bandage? I don't know what

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<v Speaker 15>time it is, Okay, it's five two hours ago, maybe

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<v Speaker 15>two hours ago? Two hours ago?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay? Did he What was he wearing? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 7>He had no shirt on? And I think sweatpants. You

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<v Speaker 7>know what color sweatpants? I think they were blue? Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm only I'm blinded more, I show no problem.

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<v Speaker 16>So, but he asked for an eight spandage for his

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<v Speaker 16>rich medium and his spandish and you left them?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Really?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? Are you guys close with him?

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<v Speaker 15>Does he talk to you or is it just kind

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<v Speaker 15>of like a I mean you guys obviously know him,

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<v Speaker 15>or I mean we try to averread him. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 15>it's those problems. Would you say he's does he scare

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<v Speaker 15>you or at times?

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<v Speaker 7>Jesus? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 15>How about before that, did Chris say that he was

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<v Speaker 15>having any conflicts with anybody?

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<v Speaker 7>Did he ask he has intercomfist with people inside his head?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, He's always yelling at somebody to get out.

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<v Speaker 16>He's gonna kill him. He's always always yelling at somebody

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<v Speaker 16>to get out. Trespassing. You're doing this, you're doing that.

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<v Speaker 16>They're all diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if he stagnosed schizophronic, but I'll tell

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<v Speaker 7>you what if he isn't definitely run? Does he take

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<v Speaker 7>any medication?

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<v Speaker 6>Excitements, Tasha, I thought Chris had Turets syndrome, but Carol

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<v Speaker 6>assumed he was schizophrenic. Needless to say, none of these

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<v Speaker 6>people were mental health professionals. Put it that way, Chris

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<v Speaker 6>woke the whole camp up every morning screaming about trespassers

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<v Speaker 6>or people who were trying to hurt him. He lived

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<v Speaker 6>in his own head, which was a dark neighborhood that

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<v Speaker 6>he could never crawl out of. But even his chaos

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<v Speaker 6>had rules. He stayed mostly to his corner and others

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<v Speaker 6>stayed to theirs. There was a kind of internal logic

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<v Speaker 6>to the camp, full of invisible boundaries and unspoken understandings.

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<v Speaker 6>But still Carol was scared of Chris. Tasha was too.

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<v Speaker 6>Being the two women in the camp, Chris made them

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<v Speaker 6>nervous when the men weren't around. By the way, who's

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<v Speaker 6>the Karen responsible for getting rid of mental institutions? Remember

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<v Speaker 6>when all these people were housed and cared for, but

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<v Speaker 6>then something happened and somebody got hurt, so we got

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<v Speaker 6>rid of all of them. I know one of you

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<v Speaker 6>Karens out there was responsible, at least one of your

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<v Speaker 6>grandma Karents with a PhD. What a fucking idiot. Just

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<v Speaker 6>because a patient dies in the hospital doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 6>get rid of all hospitals. These so called experts really

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<v Speaker 6>are useless, aren't They probably should have bottomized her instead

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<v Speaker 6>of taking doctor Karen's advice.

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<v Speaker 7>All the men back here, which would be Kenny and Robert,

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<v Speaker 7>told him, do not come this way. We have women

429
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<v Speaker 7>that live here.

430
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<v Speaker 14>We don't want to see you and since, and he's

431
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 14>respected that and made away because I'm new.

432
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 6>For the most part, Chris kept to himself and stayed

433
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<v Speaker 6>clear of the couple's area, but whenever Chris did come

434
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 6>knocking at their tents, the men would deal with them.

435
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 6>Residents told police that earlier that afternoon, Chris had barged

436
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 6>into the camp asking for an ace bandage. Carol's husband, Kenny,

437
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 6>had given him one.

438
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.319
<v Speaker 7>He asked you for an eighth bandage his right hand,

439
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 7>then for one of his hand. I went watch camp

440
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 7>tells of one what hand on? No problem?

441
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>After that?

442
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.559
<v Speaker 2>After we ate was watching TV one other and the

443
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>train stopped right okay, and then took off again. I figured, okay,

444
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he's playing stupid games again and train and stop because

445
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the one time they stopped.

446
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you caught that, but listen carefully.

447
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 6>Kenny said that earlier that day he heard the train

448
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 6>stop near their camp, which was one hundred feet north

449
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 6>of the station itself. He assumed that it was because

450
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 6>of this little game Chris usually played. He insinuated that

451
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 6>Chris would often go to the train tracks and get

452
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 6>close to the train, causing it to halt like a

453
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 6>suicidal game of Chicken. I guess when you're homeless, you

454
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 6>got to entertain yourself somehow, even if usually it's at

455
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 6>society's expense.

456
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 7>What does Chris look like? Describe nothing?

457
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Tall, maybe six too, skinny, long, dark hair.

458
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 7>Weird okay, long dark hair, very weird. Okay? What makes

459
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 7>him weird? He gets fine?

460
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, He's got like twelve He's got a whole family

461
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>of invisible friends.

462
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 6>It was hard to take anything Chris said with any credibility.

463
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 6>He was always ranting and raving, fighting with the so

464
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 6>called invisible friends in his head. Then Carol remembered something

465
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 6>strange about Chris coming over and asking for a bandage.

466
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 7>Christie, come over to our tent before you guys did

467
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 7>come up? Okay, said somebody who's tried to rape him.

468
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 7>Somebody's tried to rape him. It's something we've heard millions

469
00:27:59.319 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 7>of times over.

470
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>He did say someone tried to raping Oh okay. When

471
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>he was getting the a spanies, I said who, he

472
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 2>said out? Okay, Yeah, what I'm saying. I live with

473
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>him next door, screaming at all hours, and knives about him.

474
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>His ghost was sticking something glass or mouth or something.

475
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

476
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 6>Though, the officer was shocked. Carol and Kenny were unfazed.

477
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 6>They'd heard rape accusations from Chris many times, mostly about

478
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 6>the ghosts who were trying to shove things into his

479
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 6>backside orifice. So like every other outburst from Chris, they

480
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 6>turned their backs and zipped up their tent. I mean,

481
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 6>what else could they do? But now there was a

482
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 6>man who had been stabbed to death in the place

483
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 6>that Chris liked to go and try to halt the trains.

484
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 6>According to Kenny, the only man who had weapons in

485
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 6>their camp was Chris.

486
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 7>Does he have any weapons or anything is a weapon?

487
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>He's got all kinds of swords, knives, staring stars all wow.

488
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 7>Okay, I don't worry about him.

489
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 15>Does he have any well, you say, knives and throwing

490
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 15>these stars? He have like swords and they got swords

491
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 15>all kinds oh geezh. Any kind of sword, remember, any

492
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 15>one specifically? Any kind of swords like big swords or

493
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 15>anything like five big swords.

494
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 6>When the police investigated Chris's tent, it was filled with

495
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 6>weapons and a few cats, poor things. Chris has display knives,

496
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 6>samurai swords, throwing stars, and other exotic weapons all over

497
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 6>the edges of the inside of his little home. He

498
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 6>had a blow up mattress, a makeshift kitchen complete with

499
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 6>about nine bottles of vitamins, a boombox, a television, a

500
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.799
<v Speaker 6>DVD player, a microwave, and a little matt at his

501
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:55.119
<v Speaker 6>front door. Have cozy. Maybe this was a tent in

502
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 6>the woods, but it was also his home and most

503
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 6>damning of all. Inside chris tent, they found the sheath

504
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 6>to the samurai sword that had been used to kill

505
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 6>the victim. Chris's real name was George Christopher Livingston. What

506
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 6>a name sounds like some sort of old timey explorer

507
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 6>instead of a homeless nut. He was fifty one years

508
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 6>old and had been on the streets of Lake Worth

509
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 6>for years. In fact, Tasha's partner Robert, had known Chris

510
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 6>for a long time.

511
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 17>Tell me about Chris. Well, I've known Chris for the

512
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 17>better part of I don't know, for four or five

513
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 17>years now, okay. And he's always been somewhat less than cohesive.

514
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Have you been living with him for four or

515
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 1>five years? I've just known him. I've never lived with him.

516
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:51.200
<v Speaker 17>There was a time a few years back when the

517
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 17>radio station was all wooded areas we stayed there.

518
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris burned that down, so we got jettisons from that.

519
00:30:58.160 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember that.

520
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Chris had burned down the last encampment Robert lived in.

521
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 6>It was such a big fire that the officer remembered

522
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 6>it too. Chris was always in trouble with the law,

523
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 6>but it was never anything big enough to get him

524
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 6>behind bars. Unfortunately, it was just a hindrance, a drain

525
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 6>on society. The man needed some serious help. He was

526
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 6>mentally unstable. Stories like Chris's aren't rare. Untreated mental illness,

527
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 6>no steady psychiatric care, and a legal system that sees

528
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 6>the need for help but not the kind it can give.

529
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 6>According to court records, his own parents had kicked him

530
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 6>out of their home due to repeated violence, which is

531
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 6>how he ended up on the streets in nineteen ninety eight.

532
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 6>Things spiraled from there. In twenty twelve, he'd been arrested

533
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 6>in Boyton Beach while hanging around a children's park with

534
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 6>a large hunting knife. When the officers took him off

535
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 6>the premiss and searched him, he asked why they didn't

536
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 6>also take his taser. It was stuffed into his spandex shorts.

537
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And around that time.

538
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 17>You know, we'd have conversations from time to time, nothing

539
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 17>terribly extensive, but you know you can tell he's not

540
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 17>playing with the full deck, he claims.

541
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, who have been struck by lightning.

542
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 17>And there was a time I'd come home and find

543
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 17>dead raccoons laid out of my doorstep, you know, like

544
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 17>the health you know.

545
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I thought you could make a nice fat out

546
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 1>of him.

547
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 10>Can you imagine so other than Chris and you and Tascha,

548
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 10>who else lives here in this in this woods?

549
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Here?

550
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 17>Kenny and Carroll are here? Okay, Dave Beckett. I don't,

551
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 17>to be honest with you, I don't venture much past

552
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 17>my own tank. The only reason I know Kenny and

553
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 17>Carroll is because we have a you know, a business

554
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 17>arrangement sharing the.

555
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.640
<v Speaker 6>Generators, a business arrangement. Imagine living in the age of

556
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 6>AI and you have a business arrangement involving a generator.

557
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 12>So the other person that you mentioned, Dave, what's stayed

558
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 12>less him? And you know that for sure, not with

559
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 12>a degree of certainty. Okay, but that's the name I've heard, okay,

560
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 12>reference to him? What's on more than one ocasion?

561
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

562
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 12>What is Dave's not Dave's story, but about how old

563
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 12>is he? Can you describe him at all? Well?

564
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 1>He similar to my look a little shorter, okay, but

565
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 1>he's got the gray beard. Where's a ball camp all

566
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 1>the time? About how old? Early in the mid fifties,

567
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I would.

568
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 6>Guess Dave had been in and out of the camp.

569
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 6>Like Tasha. He worked at the Labor Hall. In case

570
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 6>you don't know, the Labor Hall is a temporary staffing

571
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 6>agency that helps people pick up blue collar work throughout

572
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 6>the area.

573
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 18>One was lesson he saw Dave dick well or have

574
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 18>you even seen him dack? See, I'm not sure it

575
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 18>was Dave that I saw Chris encountering.

576
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

577
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 17>I know at one point we had gotten back from

578
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 17>the beach. I guess sometime between one thirty and two thirty,

579
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 17>Tasha and myself thank you.

580
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, who's willing?

581
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 7>All right?

582
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Tasha sad between in that area, and.

583
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 17>We went into the tent and pretty much sorting through

584
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 17>clothes that decided what to take to wash and whatnot.

585
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 1>At one point I.

586
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 17>Had to run to Sitco and get some gas for

587
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 17>the generator. But at some point after we were home,

588
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 17>I couldn't nail down a specific time. Two people I recognized.

589
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 17>The second one was Chris ran past the tent. Okay,

590
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 17>it appeared that Chris was chasing somebody. I thought it

591
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 17>might have been Dave, but I wasn't.

592
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.280
<v Speaker 7>Certain to see what the guy was wearing. And he

593
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 7>was chasing like a blur build into like a.

594
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Well.

595
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 17>The reason I'm not entirely certain Dave is because he

596
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 17>was wearing I don't know one specifically, but it was

597
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 17>brighter colors than I'm used to seeing him. He's usually

598
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 17>a camouflage or a darker colored Okay, you know, but

599
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.320
<v Speaker 17>it seemed to me like he might have been wearing

600
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 17>a T shirt. It was light and come maybe I

601
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 17>don't know if it looked like it was light blue

602
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 17>with orange sleeves.

603
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 6>The dead Man on the Tracks matched Dave's description perfectly.

604
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 6>The gray beard, mid fifties, bright blue shirt with orange sleeves.

605
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was Dave. Ran past the tent first.

606
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.920
<v Speaker 17>Now, Dave's more often than not drunk, so it wasn't

607
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 17>with any real speed that he ran by the tent,

608
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 17>more of us, and then you know, three seconds behind

609
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 17>him came Chris, just yelling, yelling something like I was

610
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 17>going to marry her.

611
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You raped her or something. I don't know. I don't know.

612
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a big commotion, but it was enough to

613
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>catch my attention. Tasha and I both stood up and

614
00:35:58.119 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>what the hell's going on?

615
00:35:59.360 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 15>Right?

616
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 17>We walked out, and we actually walked as far as

617
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 17>the train tracks here and could see down here some altercation.

618
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 17>But it didn't look it didn't look too violent or

619
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 17>too serious. It just looked like a couple of guys

620
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 17>shoving each other. Okay, anybody look for me. Well, I

621
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.039
<v Speaker 17>could see one of them was Chris. We saw one

622
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 17>of them ass well, one of ri it's wearing.

623
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 6>We have to put this into perspective, because I know

624
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 6>what you're thinking. If you heard two men rush past

625
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 6>your home screaming at one another, you'd probably follow the

626
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 6>noise to see what was going on, and if you

627
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 6>saw them getting into it, you'd contemplate calling the police.

628
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 6>But Robert and Tasha were homeless and squatting in the

629
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 6>woods during this time. In twenty seventeen, there was an

630
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 6>ordinance that made it illegal to set up permanent shelters

631
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 6>on public property. Though their camp was hidden deep in

632
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 6>the woods, it still wasn't allowed. Robert and Tasha didn't

633
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 6>want to bring any attention, let alone the police, to

634
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 6>their encampment. This is probably why they just all did

635
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 6>their best to ignore Chris's outbursts and roll with the punches.

636
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 6>The idea that you would call the cops for help

637
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 6>concerning anything was preposterous. You don't do that when you're

638
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 6>breaking the law yourself. It's the wild West out there,

639
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 6>which raises a broader question about the growing homeless population.

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<v Speaker 6>Encampments are now a major issue in cities nationwide. For years,

641
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<v Speaker 6>most advocacy groups and academics have followed the consistent philosophy

642
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 6>provide housing regardless of sobriety or mental health status, and

643
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<v Speaker 6>homelessness will decline, But the Cicero Institute challenges that view.

644
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<v Speaker 6>The public policy think tank argues that the housing first

645
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 6>model has failed and instead supports banning unauthorized street camping

646
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<v Speaker 6>and reallocating funds from permanent housing to short terms shelters

647
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 6>and treatment programs. Here's Devin Kurtz, public safety policy director

648
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<v Speaker 6>from the Cicero Institute.

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<v Speaker 19>Criminological literature, there's a lot of talking about, oh, well,

650
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 19>this is a very visible population, which allows it to

651
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<v Speaker 19>be you know, policed more than the other communities, and

652
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 19>there's some truth to that, but there's also this this

653
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 19>sort of wild West component where if you get an

654
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 19>encampment that's far enough out, there's you know, no one

655
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 19>coming to help, and there's no one surveilling it.

656
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 7>So these have at times.

657
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<v Speaker 19>Become you know, no go zones for law enforcement, and

658
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 19>it ends up until there's a fire or until there's

659
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.840
<v Speaker 19>a murderer. It's sort of just spt in its own.

660
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<v Speaker 6>This encampment in our story had definitely become a no

661
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 6>go zone. The cops were unaware of it until the

662
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 6>murder occurred. But how do you police something that's buried

663
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 6>deep in the woods and no one even knows it's there.

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<v Speaker 6>The Cicero Institute's hallmark policy is the prohibition of street camping.

665
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<v Speaker 6>Most nonprofits are very unhappy with the fact that they

666
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 6>have passed encampment bands in nineteen states and the.

667
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<v Speaker 19>Framing by critics, and they usually come and they protest

668
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 19>the hearings and they protest our office as they did

669
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 19>a couple of weeks ago, and this criminalizes holmossness and

670
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 19>ultimately leads to mass incarceration of them and saddles them

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<v Speaker 19>with criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>Records, etc. Etc.

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<v Speaker 19>The reality could be further from the truth. This is

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<v Speaker 19>trying to respond to the obvious need for a community

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<v Speaker 19>to regulate the existence of encampments in our community. If

676
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<v Speaker 19>there's a camp on the sidewalk in front of your

677
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 19>house or in front of your business, obviously there needs

678
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 19>to be some mechanism by which law enforcement and the

679
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 19>city and county and the state can ensure that is

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00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 19>dealt with in a way that is certainly compassionate. But

681
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<v Speaker 19>I would argue that we're not experiencing a homelessness crisis

682
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<v Speaker 19>that's particularly unusual, as much as we are experiencing a

683
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<v Speaker 19>crisis and unsheltered homelessness. What we're seeing in certain states

684
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<v Speaker 19>is this population doubling.

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<v Speaker 6>Robert, Tasha, Carol, Kenny, and Chris were a part of

686
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<v Speaker 6>this unsheltered population, tucked away in a no go zone

687
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 6>of society's fringe. The crime happened in there, hidden the world,

688
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<v Speaker 6>and if the victim's body hadn't been left by the

689
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<v Speaker 6>side of the train tracks, maybe nobody would have ever

690
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.159
<v Speaker 6>known that this happened. In fact, Robert was the only

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<v Speaker 6>one who witnessed the fight begin.

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<v Speaker 7>What was occurring when you saw them standing there.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, what I saw was whoever the other gentleman was

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<v Speaker 17>possibly gave with us back to defense, Chris shoving them

695
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<v Speaker 17>against defense.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a shove back. Okay, did you see anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>A little you know where they grab each other's elbows,

698
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know who I thought was? Dave ran that

699
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 1>way and Chris came back this way, and Kaus and

700
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I went back into the tanks. Okay.

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<v Speaker 17>A few minutes later, Chris showed up just outside the tent,

702
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<v Speaker 17>asking if we had an ace bandage for.

703
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<v Speaker 7>Him that he could call.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did he have any any blood or anything on him?

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<v Speaker 12>I didn't see any signs of blood. Well, okay, does

706
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 12>anybody here in this camp you carry any weapons.

707
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<v Speaker 1>Other than Chris?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what does Chris have?

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<v Speaker 17>Well, Chris has a cachet of weapons in there, swords, knives,

711
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 17>an assortment of knives, Chinese throwing stars, Okay, a collection

712
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 17>he's rabbit proud of.

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<v Speaker 6>Everyone knew about Chris's tent of weapons. It was almost

714
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<v Speaker 6>as infamous as he was.

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<v Speaker 12>Did you see him Chris using any of those weapons

716
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 12>tonight while this incident.

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00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Was going on.

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<v Speaker 17>When he ran past my tent, it looked like he

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<v Speaker 17>had like a MARIAI sord possibly in his hand. Again,

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<v Speaker 17>I didn't get a really good look. I'm just speculating,

721
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<v Speaker 17>but he had something that had some length to it

722
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 17>and was silvery in color. Chris had chested yes.

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<v Speaker 1>When Dave walked away from my Again I'm not sure

724
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it was Dave. I'm just guessing. But whoever it was

725
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 1>that walked away back here.

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<v Speaker 17>When they walked that way, they had something in their

727
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 17>hands too, But from where I stood, it looked like

728
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 17>it might have just been a stick.

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<v Speaker 1>If you saw a picture Dave, would you be able

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<v Speaker 1>to say, yes, that's him, Yes, I will.

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<v Speaker 6>That's when the officer brought over a picture of the

732
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<v Speaker 6>victim and showed it to Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's Dave, Okay, so without the beard.

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<v Speaker 6>Robert had said that Chris was screaming when he chased

735
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<v Speaker 6>Dave past their tent, something about a woman he was

736
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 6>going to marry, and that David raped her. But then

737
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 6>Chris had told Carol and Kenny that someone had tried

738
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 6>to rape him. It was all just the mumblings of

739
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 6>a man who spritally needed psychiatric medication. But Dave Beckett

740
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.039
<v Speaker 6>had been slaughtered to death with a four foot long sword.

741
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 6>Dave may have been a homeless drunk, but he was

742
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 6>still a person who lost his life and the police

743
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 6>had to find out why. In his years of being homeless,

744
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 6>Chris had been charged with a few misdemeanors for carrying

745
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 6>illegal weapons. Maybe this whole murder was a manic episode,

746
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 6>a full break from reality where the hallucinations took the lead.

747
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 6>Or maybe David pushed him, provoked something dark that needed

748
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 6>to finally come out, because that's the thing. For as

749
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 6>crazy as Chris was, his criminal record was pretty minimal,

750
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 6>and every time he was arrested for something, he cooperated

751
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 6>and just mumbled incoherently to his imaginary pals. Chris did

752
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 6>what Chris did. He rode around on his scooter and

753
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 6>his spandex shorts, talking about the ghost in his asshole.

754
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 6>He was out of his mind. The women were frightened

755
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 6>of him, because well, why wouldn't you be? I mean,

756
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm frightened of him. Wouldn't you be frightened of him?

757
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 6>If you lived in the woods in a nylon tent,

758
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 6>next to a screaming man with nothing but a thin

759
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 6>layer of cloth to protect you. The potential of danger

760
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 6>was there? But Chris had no track record of physically

761
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.840
<v Speaker 6>assaulting or sexually assaulting anyone within the homeless community. He

762
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 6>just had zero social awareness, like someone freshly released from

763
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 6>an asylum dropped into the world without a map. Dave,

764
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 6>on the other hand, had a reputation.

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00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 7>I always caught him, Dave. I did not saw you

766
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 7>as last name.

767
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 14>I know him.

768
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 11>He worked out of the labor hall with me since

769
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.559
<v Speaker 11>twenty fifteen. I heard he lived in one of these

770
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 11>tents bad here.

771
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 10>I have.

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<v Speaker 11>I've never seen him back here except for my very

773
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 11>first day, three to six months ago. That's when Robert

774
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.000
<v Speaker 11>came out and said, you are not welcome here to Dave.

775
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 7>To Dave, okay, why would you not welcome because I'm here, okay,

776
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 7>And he has a bad reputation. And since that day,

777
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 7>I have never heard he is.

778
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 11>Even we've passed by getting our Chucks cash because we

779
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 11>all had to go to the same place to get

780
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 11>our Chucks cash.

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00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 14>He won't even look at me. He looks away. They

782
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.880
<v Speaker 14>wanted the people that when women.

783
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.840
<v Speaker 11>See him, they make the hair on the back of

784
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 11>your next stand up, okay, And that's when you want

785
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 11>to back away.

786
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 7>And so that's why I never spoken.

787
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 6>Throughout the Lake Worth homeless social circles. It was known

788
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 6>as a sexual predator. Many women had been assaulted by him,

789
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 6>and these rumors circled around the streets. According to the

790
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 6>court records, Dave had been in trouble with the low

791
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 6>since two thousand and three. He's got two felonies under

792
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.920
<v Speaker 6>his belt, one for drug possession and another for driving

793
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 6>with a revoked license, as well as a bunch of

794
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:20.360
<v Speaker 6>misdemeanors for trespassing, theft, public intoxication, and indecent exposure. In

795
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:24.760
<v Speaker 6>twenty eleven, he was arrested forget this, possession of a

796
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 6>Burmese python without a license and improper caging allowing escape. Now,

797
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 6>a Burmese python is one of the most terrifying snakes

798
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 6>on the planet. It's also one of the largest, and

799
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 6>for some reason, they are infamous in Florida. Now, I

800
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 6>don't know why this man had a python or what

801
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 6>he was doing with it, but it fits, doesn't it?

802
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 6>In any case, the records are sealed, but you can

803
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 6>just imagine a homeless guy with a python. What a sight. Anyways,

804
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 6>the python was a rare one, but most of Dave's

805
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 6>just had to do with indecent exposure and even masturbating

806
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 6>in public. One time he was seen masturbating on the

807
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 6>side of I seventy five. That'll wake you up on

808
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 6>the way to work. Then Tasha told the police something

809
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.360
<v Speaker 6>that made them question who the victim in this whole

810
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 6>thing actually was.

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<v Speaker 20>It was a rumor, and this is all just a

812
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 20>rumor that he almost I have a friend named Robert Crofton,

813
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 20>and different Robert. He goes by vou that there was

814
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 20>a rumor maybe six months ago that he had beat

815
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 20>up Robert Crofton and sent him to the del Ray

816
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 20>Menie and her way to beat him, and that was

817
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 20>just a rumor.

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<v Speaker 6>Tasha said that Dave had raped and beat a male

819
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 6>friend of her so badly that he had to be hospitalized.

820
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<v Speaker 6>Was Chris actually a victim? A target of ace? Sexually aggressive,

821
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 6>drunken deviant. Dave was dead, so his side of the

822
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:11.840
<v Speaker 6>story died with him. Now all that was left was Chris.

823
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 6>When the body of Dave Beckett had been discovered slaughtered

824
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.039
<v Speaker 6>on the side of the tri rail tracks in Lakeworth, Florida,

825
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 6>HeSE had followed the blood trail to a small encampment

826
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 6>of five people, two couples and an infamous, unhinged man

827
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 6>everyone knew as Chris Davi had been murdered with a

828
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<v Speaker 6>four foot long sword. As police interviewed the residents of

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00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 6>the encampment, they discovered that Dave and Chris had been

830
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 6>seen fighting down by the tracks earlier that afternoon. Chris

831
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 6>had told the other residents that David tried to rape him,

832
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 6>but no one took it seriously because Chris was always

833
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 6>saying things of that nature. But Dave had a reputation

834
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 6>as a sexual predator and had even recently beat and

835
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 6>raped another homeless man, sending him to the hospital for treatment.

836
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<v Speaker 6>Now it was time to hear what Chris had to say.

837
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.559
<v Speaker 6>After paramedics took care of his hand, he was ready

838
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 6>to start talking.

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<v Speaker 4>So basically, I'm called it.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm expected with the sheriff talkers because you've been detained

841
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 7>for quite a while.

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00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:52.840
<v Speaker 1>We were handcooked.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to read your Marinda Wanting all right, have

844
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 7>you ever been reading Marinda Wannings? She liked the legal

845
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 7>leens by Noda. You know me mind, if I just

846
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 7>do my job and the detective Oliver you can call

847
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 7>me Sean, call me Dick. Where're going out there?

848
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<v Speaker 3>And the rug to make you have a right to

849
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<v Speaker 3>landslide it. Yeah, but I'm going to be actually verbad

850
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<v Speaker 3>him into a policy because it's in Mini versus Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

852
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 6>The nineteen Serienz Chris stated the exact law that created

853
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 6>the Miranda warning Miranda versus Arizona. In nineteen ninety six,

854
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court ruled in Miranda via Arizona that police

855
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 6>must inform suspects of their rights before questioning them. Ernesto

856
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.360
<v Speaker 6>Miranda confessed to a crime without knowing he could stay

857
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 6>silent or ask for a lawyer, so the court said

858
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 6>that violated his constitutional right. This decision created the Miranda warning.

859
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 6>The rights you've heard read over and over and over

860
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 6>for the last ten years on this podcast and for

861
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 6>the last sixty in the real world.

862
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 7>How did you give it? The point where he was

863
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 7>entry with the sword twenty twenty, Focus at your sword.

864
00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:58.719
<v Speaker 1>It's out of your.

865
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Tentpole one day, Wison expirdess. Even when you did it

866
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 3>to me, I did it too, almost along ago. But

867
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to do with this, I say, and

868
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I'll get it to your ed.

869
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 7>You gave me, George, somebody that majority told me that

870
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 7>you were great.

871
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 3>Now I tried them out, but I'll try to make

872
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:21.920
<v Speaker 3>some time. I try to like a symbolic gesture, and yeah,

873
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 3>that a man that own.

874
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 6>Chris admitted that he was skeptical of Dave, but he

875
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.159
<v Speaker 6>had been hanging around and he'd given Dave the sword

876
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 6>as some sort of symbolic gesture, like here's my weapon

877
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 6>from my collection, protect yourself on the street, that sort

878
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 6>of thing. But then Chris told detectives that he was

879
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.440
<v Speaker 6>scared of Dave because Dave did weird things that made

880
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 6>him crazy. Chris felt like he needed to stay away.

881
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 3>Say you told me earlier and I had to never

882
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 3>premeditate slaying man do to reverse psychology guy.

883
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 4>When I was injured, I couldn't help.

884
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Him anymore when he had injured his sales, because I

885
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 3>know behind decided.

886
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.079
<v Speaker 4>I turned my back on when he saw when he

887
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.559
<v Speaker 4>and the injuries occurred.

888
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:15.239
<v Speaker 3>To me, I would know long in a fan Namatau.

889
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 6>But it obviously wasn't the end of his statement. Chris

890
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 6>kept trying to explain that Dave was a sexual predator.

891
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 6>He had raped and hurt other women on the streets,

892
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 6>and Chris was fed up with it. Then he heard

893
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 6>some woman that Chris had declared he wanted to marry.

894
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 6>This is what Robert heard when Dave and Chris came

895
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 6>running by his tent earlier that day. But Chris's story

896
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 6>was bouncing back and forth as he tried to explain himself.

897
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 6>His main point was that Dave was secretly gay. Chris

898
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 6>knew that Dave had raped other men in his tent.

899
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 6>Then he started coming on to Chris, and that changed

900
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 6>the course of their relationship.

901
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I was essentially her asked how he the comments about

902
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 3>my jimetaria where it was pretty for man. I knew

903
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 3>that he was one sexil. He's had many unstian I

904
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 3>am not. He has a prohivision. In the state of Florida,

905
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 3>it is not legal and numerous man has did.

906
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Haven't realized you're claiming something in the stats time, I am.

907
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 4>I feel the right now.

908
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 7>Explain I didn't.

909
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Why didn't you haven't been able to explay not on

910
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 3>So they explained it because I do not have to

911
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 3>explain myself.

912
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.000
<v Speaker 7>Do if in your self defense?

913
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Speaker 6>Remember what Tasha told police Gene, a man who had

914
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 6>also been raped, beaten, and hospitalized by Dave. Without this

915
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 6>rumor from Tasha, Chris's self defense could have been viewed

916
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:48.320
<v Speaker 6>as pure fiction, the ramblings of a crazy person, something

917
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 6>the voices in his head told him to say. But

918
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 6>maybe there was some truth to all this. Maybe this

919
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 6>time Dave had tried to rape him.

920
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.559
<v Speaker 7>You said you can yourselfing, would you asked you a questions?

921
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 7>If you're to answer, you put yourself on the shore?

922
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you ask him how many people he's raped him?

923
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 3>And how many people he's murdered? Okay, well what does

924
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:14.320
<v Speaker 3>that look me look like? What does that make, especially

925
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 3>rape and murder myself? Doesn't I use somebody else?

926
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:17.119
<v Speaker 4>How many?

927
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 7>Just because they did that to someone else?

928
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Is?

929
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 4>Why didn't you bring him to justice? I always known

930
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 4>the person of jurisdiction. I don't were you born in Florida?

931
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who care?

932
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's a good that's.

933
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 7>A good start with Dave slipped through the cracks.

934
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:32.519
<v Speaker 1>It happened.

935
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 3>How many other people are twenty five years of cracks? Yes, hey,

936
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 3>he's looking at his system is not perfect, and I

937
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 3>agree with that system is not perfect. But you're blaming

938
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.800
<v Speaker 3>self defense in all the askers. I don't want to

939
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>claim anything. I mean, I'm going to be incriminated either

940
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 3>way by you to particularize other's here as very different. Yes, okay,

941
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize he's dead. I didn't realize anything about it.

942
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 17>Man.

943
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 3>I just feel a little defend myself and other people

944
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 3>you equally, as my sales out of your life would

945
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 3>have been threat this little moment.

946
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 6>Chris had slipped through the cracks when it came to

947
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 6>his mental health, he should have been institutionalized or at

948
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.960
<v Speaker 6>least seeing a psychiatrist, given a couple of pills or something.

949
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 6>But Dave slipped through the cracks when it came to

950
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.559
<v Speaker 6>his sexual crimes, and Chris was angry. Maybe he wasn't

951
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.960
<v Speaker 6>just a crazy man yelling at the moon for no reason.

952
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 6>Maybe he knew something about the man he killed that

953
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 6>justified his actions.

954
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Have given you a chance to.

955
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Put the sword on the other foot. That's my advice

956
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 4>to do.

957
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:34.519
<v Speaker 18>Well.

958
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I didn't.

959
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 7>I don't live your life.

960
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:37.559
<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

961
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 7>I didn't know that is I didn't live that.

962
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you do.

963
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:46.599
<v Speaker 4>What is your question that will help you disposed clarify?

964
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 7>He did not consider it I murdering.

965
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Need for this a true I was not premedicated or

966
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.280
<v Speaker 3>soul impulsive would have been like an actor. You know

967
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 3>what a credible credible threat is. It only requires a

968
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 3>criminal content for it. Yes, an aggravated assault or a felony. Right,

969
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.119
<v Speaker 3>and once he saw you running after swords, he didn't

970
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 3>have this or you don't know what they know.

971
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>We've got statements from them.

972
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 9>They saw you running after him with Okay, well there

973
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 9>is the aggressor why were you after.

974
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Him the sword?

975
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:20.920
<v Speaker 7>After this? Where did that?

976
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 4>I took it back?

977
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 7>Where did that happen?

978
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 4>And then he took it back? Actually when I took

979
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 4>it back and then I gave.

980
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 19>It to him.

981
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 6>But the detective needed to decipher the facts based on

982
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 6>the physical evidence. The evidence was a dead man slaughtered

983
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.760
<v Speaker 6>by sword and an assailant with a giant defensive wound

984
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.480
<v Speaker 6>on his hand.

985
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 7>You said he fell on his sword. He had the sword.

986
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I gave it to him, okay, when I said, look,

987
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 3>he's not going to ease it on me and you

988
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 3>or here, and I'll turn my back on him and West.

989
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he ran after me or what.

990
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what happened. See, That's what I'm talking about.

991
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Hope.

992
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.079
<v Speaker 4>You know your journal and when someone when your.

993
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 7>Life is threatened.

994
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 3>You're going to react, but you don't remember exactly late

995
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 3>how you do what you do, but you're alive, makes

996
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 3>you're fighting for your life.

997
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 6>How annoying is this guy? I mean, why why?

998
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:08.800
<v Speaker 7>Why?

999
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 6>Why is he out on the street? Oh yeah, Karen,

1000
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 6>and are virtue signaling out of sight, out of mind?

1001
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 7>Ain't that right?

1002
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:16.480
<v Speaker 6>Karen?

1003
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna be murdered in my sleep by then?

1004
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 1>How are you?

1005
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 7>How are you fighting for your life?

1006
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.840
<v Speaker 4>But where I just told you a lot?

1007
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1008
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm consistently when i'm when I get stressed out,

1009
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 3>I began to wait internally because all an injury happened

1010
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.039
<v Speaker 3>twenty two or three years ago. I was swept all

1011
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.480
<v Speaker 3>light mean and told and you're clausing it to hemorrhoids

1012
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:40.559
<v Speaker 3>and it's internally building.

1013
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 4>Now, that's not good.

1014
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:45.639
<v Speaker 6>This guy thinks his hemorrhoids were caused by lightning. Lightning.

1015
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying that you're you're you're in a miscondo.

1016
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 1>You're talking.

1017
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 3>You don't understand, you're in your handhead by baba intent.

1018
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 3>That is criminal And it wasn't ill will against me

1019
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.159
<v Speaker 3>because what it have to do, I wasn't what could

1020
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 3>be exactly do your appear anything and everything he could

1021
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.239
<v Speaker 3>to suade me from other than a heterosexual being a homosexual.

1022
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:10.719
<v Speaker 4>Body or ing whage the things.

1023
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 3>He didn't walk out, and he's exposes in Italian you're

1024
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.480
<v Speaker 3>anate right in front of me. I want to ask please,

1025
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 3>as many times I ask him, he never respected. West

1026
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:23.119
<v Speaker 3>said that please do not wear we wall. I expose

1027
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.400
<v Speaker 3>you're urinate.

1028
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 4>He does. If I'll never respect anything in.

1029
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 7>The woods, right, you go deeper in the woods.

1030
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

1031
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't obsess myself with any kind of sensaire de man,

1032
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 3>especially when it this is Thomas sense at.

1033
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 6>How passive is this cop? Yeah, I know I'm bitching

1034
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 6>a lot, but my God slapped the cuffs on him already.

1035
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm all for due process and it's off defense.

1036
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:51.519
<v Speaker 6>But perhaps maybe mister Garrison here is better suited for

1037
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 6>a career track in botany rather than law enforcement. I mean, Jesus, man,

1038
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 6>grow some assertiveness. This unassertive detective was not going to

1039
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.760
<v Speaker 6>get a straight answer about anything, not mumbling the way

1040
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.079
<v Speaker 6>he was anyway. Chris said that Dave had tried to

1041
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 6>rape him and was making sexual remarks, but the truth

1042
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 6>about how the sword was passed between these two men

1043
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 6>was unclear, and without a witness we saw every inch

1044
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.639
<v Speaker 6>of that murder, there was no real way to figure

1045
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 6>out what exactly happened. Then Chris said this about Dave,

1046
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 6>which mirrored exactly what Tasha had told the detectives. She

1047
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 6>and other women felt, I know, and okay.

1048
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 3>You ever feel when you when you can turn her

1049
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 3>back on someone because they feel like they're looking over

1050
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 3>your should or a girl they.

1051
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Want that sport, you can feel her that stuff.

1052
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 7>That's what's going on.

1053
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.079
<v Speaker 14>My role by one of the people of that when

1054
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 14>women see him, they may they are on the back

1055
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 14>of your neck, stand.

1056
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 7>Out there, okay, And that's when you want to back away.

1057
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.880
<v Speaker 7>And so that's why I never spoke.

1058
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 3>When he swung the swords, and I don't know what

1059
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 3>happen because the sword's air in.

1060
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 4>My hand.

1061
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 9>How do you get the sword? You already said that

1062
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 9>you took it back from him. You said he swung

1063
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 9>at you.

1064
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.000
<v Speaker 3>So when someone's trying to kill you, you're adrenaline doesn't

1065
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.119
<v Speaker 3>allow you to decipher every critical fact.

1066
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>But they never got confused.

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<v Speaker 9>You never ate the sword, give my sword, you said

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<v Speaker 9>you didn't you said, you tried to give it to him,

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<v Speaker 9>and then you took it back, and then from that

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01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.199
<v Speaker 9>point on you've never said that you gave me back

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01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 9>the sword.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not trying to complicate this, it's simple.

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<v Speaker 9>Would just be truthful, That's all I asked. Be truthful,

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01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:34.639
<v Speaker 9>don't try it doesn't be competent. You got accept responsibility

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01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Speaker 9>for your actions. You understand that you're a grown man.

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01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 9>Now I'll defend him, I said, okay, how you have

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01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.440
<v Speaker 9>a sword? How are you defending yourself? It's your sword

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01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 9>and running after him? We're running after him a sortance.

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<v Speaker 4>I gave it back to him.

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01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 6>Chris couldn't remember who had the sword first, or how

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01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.440
<v Speaker 6>it all unfolded. Maybe adrenaline and mental illness blurred all

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01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.719
<v Speaker 6>the details. His life had always been driven by fight

1083
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 6>or flight instincts. How could you really, I believe recount

1084
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 6>events when he lived each day assuming the world was

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01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 6>against him. But what he did explain was that ever

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01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 6>since Dave had started coming around the camp, he had

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01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:15.039
<v Speaker 6>been making sexual advances towards Chris, and then it finally

1088
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.119
<v Speaker 6>hit a breaking point. The officer wanted to know why

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01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 6>Chris didn't just pack up and leave his answer was simple.

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01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 6>I was here first. He said, yes, Chris adlone Dave

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01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.360
<v Speaker 6>the sword. That much was true. But when they got

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01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 6>in that scuffle down on the tracks, Dave swung at

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01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 6>him with the blade and Chris lost it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know whether it was the blade, his face

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01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 3>or both. Look, once I was threatened, once he swung.

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01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 4>At me, that was it. I knew they intended.

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01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.039
<v Speaker 7>It's oord. Where were you when he spent it?

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01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Further, I mean bet winging the tents, your name of

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01:01:58.039 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 4>my key?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get that to her attorney? Would you?

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01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 6>But why why would Chris give someone who he deemed

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01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 6>a sexual menace a sword? Was he ever really playing

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01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 6>with a full deck?

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01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Little David?

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01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 7>You have not told me to deal with you. You

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01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.119
<v Speaker 7>saving what justifications you've had to use a sword on?

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<v Speaker 1>Say?

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01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.519
<v Speaker 4>You said don't anger? You will say that again? You

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01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 4>were not there, so and I did not tell you

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01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 4>that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 7>So you all, I know he's dead. You know it's

1112
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:31.960
<v Speaker 7>your sword, and you're injured.

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01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:33.880
<v Speaker 9>To clink the sword put you and you have David

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01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 9>blood on, you have dag blood probably an atten.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't ask to ask you a questions. I mean

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01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 3>you're asking all these questions. I'm asking you one question

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<v Speaker 3>you have. Are you a homosexual?

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01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 7>Doesn't matter? Okay, that's what I hear.

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01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 3>If you are, you know what, it doesn't matter to

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01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 3>me these questions you ask me anymore, and I don't

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01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:51.639
<v Speaker 3>mean it in disrespect.

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01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Fine.

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<v Speaker 4>If you wasn't answer yet, have nothing to say and

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<v Speaker 4>I will not answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I want my attorney, then paramouch and you're a detective Oliver, Yes, okay, I'm.

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<v Speaker 7>Sending your pat you don't want you want to?

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01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, I can also have you take any custody.

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<v Speaker 3>I told the United States Department of Justice and the

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01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.639
<v Speaker 3>United States Department of Defense. Wonder why this went on

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01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.679
<v Speaker 3>for twenty five years. Why they didn't serve I death

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01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:13.920
<v Speaker 3>wanted their self and execute him. I do not know,

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01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:16.920
<v Speaker 3>but I do not have to disclose and hit more

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01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 3>information to you. Hold on, so you should respect that

1134
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.760
<v Speaker 3>it because as a man, I respect you and your profession.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye.

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01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 6>This guy's got a real problem with gays anyway. Why

1137
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 6>does he talk like Eugene Porter from the Walking Debt?

1138
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.119
<v Speaker 4>Take do you know what goodbye means?

1139
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.960
<v Speaker 3>You still didn't answer, by I don't want to the

1140
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Jurisdiction anymore, remove yourself from poll eas County fourth week.

1141
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>You think I'm a kidding.

1142
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 4>Were dismissed? Relieve have you said it a dozen times?

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01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 7>Don't speak to.

1144
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Me anymore.

1145
01:03:58.119 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 7>If you feel like.

1146
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Talking again to rouse may aggravate me and cause internal

1147
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 3>bleeding again.

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01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:03.639
<v Speaker 7>Lead inside.

1149
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm bleeding in the neck, end of chest now thanks

1150
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:07.119
<v Speaker 4>to you the portrait cook.

1151
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 7>Do you understand plain English? If you understand, yes, No.

1152
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 1>People come to sleep.

1153
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 4>It happen to maly more job, we'll.

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01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.239
<v Speaker 7>Be putting a little bit more allowed it. I don't

1155
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 7>want to hurt you. Can you go in and you

1156
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.360
<v Speaker 7>already did, can be moving any further? People, I don't

1157
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:21.239
<v Speaker 7>want to hurt you, right, I'm serious.

1158
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to hurt you.

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01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 7>Be and leave and let her do her job.

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01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 6>That's when Chris turned away and let the female officer

1161
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.599
<v Speaker 6>put him in the squad car. He was done talking.

1162
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.880
<v Speaker 6>He was done trying to explain what had happened. The

1163
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:37.480
<v Speaker 6>stress had caused him quote unquote internal bleeding from his

1164
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:43.320
<v Speaker 6>previous injuries. How exhausting are these nuts? I mean, I

1165
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 6>know how our audience just loves to be perceived as compassionate,

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01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 6>But at what point are you willing to admit what

1167
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:53.880
<v Speaker 6>a drain on society these people are. They provide nothing,

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01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:59.039
<v Speaker 6>not a single benefit whatsoever to society, yet they demand

1169
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:04.119
<v Speaker 6>everything from it. It's just so insanely tiring. Crazy people

1170
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 6>can just they can just drive you crazy. You know,

1171
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.599
<v Speaker 6>it's contagious. There isn't a lot of great data on

1172
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 6>homelessness and crime, but according to Devon from the Cistero Institute,

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01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 6>AI is slowly helping us get there. If it were me,

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01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 6>a simple avatar would do.

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01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 7>All the work.

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01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 6>Slap chop it, I say, but that's why I'm never

1177
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:31.239
<v Speaker 6>getting elected anyway. Here's Devon arguing that statistics don't always

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01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 6>match the cultural narrative.

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01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 19>But in terms of heart data, the best we have

1180
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.920
<v Speaker 19>is a report from San Diego District Attorney's office that

1181
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 19>did an analysis They re leased it two years ago

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01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.119
<v Speaker 19>on almost diess and crime, and they found that un

1183
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.199
<v Speaker 19>sheltered homeless people to those people who were living on

1184
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 19>the street, were hundreds of times as likely to commit crimes.

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01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.199
<v Speaker 4>Like arson, robbery, etc.

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01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 19>And they were dozens of is likely to be victims

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01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:08.159
<v Speaker 19>of similar crimes including homicide, sexual assault, robbery, etc. So

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01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 19>what we're seeing is the case that you described. If

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01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 19>two homeless people getting into a anti social spiral ultimately

1190
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.960
<v Speaker 19>an interaction that led to one of them killing the other,

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01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 19>that is the majority of the violence that we're seeing

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01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 19>in homeless encampments. There's this rhetoric by activists that's, oh,

1193
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.679
<v Speaker 19>people are coming into these humblest encampments and they're robbing

1194
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.199
<v Speaker 19>them and taking advantage of them. Well, those people tend

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01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:36.280
<v Speaker 19>to be other homeless people.

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01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 6>The narrative around homelessness has long been rooted in the

1197
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 6>idea that housing is a human right. What a dumb idea. Obviously,

1198
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.039
<v Speaker 6>some karen came up with that. Who's never had to

1199
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:53.239
<v Speaker 6>compete for limited resources? Somebody actually has to pay for it.

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01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.280
<v Speaker 6>Oh so I get to work twice as hard to

1201
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 6>subsidize someone else's generator based business arrangement. Okay, sure, but

1202
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:04.360
<v Speaker 6>that better mean we put all these people in a

1203
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.960
<v Speaker 6>locked facility and never let them out. I mean, would

1204
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:12.880
<v Speaker 6>housing alone have helped someone like Dave or Chris? Giving

1205
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.599
<v Speaker 6>Dave a bed wouldn't have stopped him from sexually assaulting people.

1206
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.920
<v Speaker 6>Maybe a temporary shelter might have limited Chris's stockpile of

1207
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.679
<v Speaker 6>weapons and kept it from growing into the unregulated arsenal

1208
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 6>it became, but both were deeply disturbed individuals, misfits with

1209
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 6>serious mental health issues. They needed more than a roof

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01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 6>over their heads. Sure, others at the camp would have

1211
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 6>gladly taken housing, but are they representative of the unsheltered

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01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 6>population at large. I mean, we don't really know. The

1213
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.480
<v Speaker 6>data just isn't there. It's hard to track a population

1214
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:56.400
<v Speaker 6>and constant motion, both by nature and by necessity or illness.

1215
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 6>Then there's the darker question no one actually wants to ask,

1216
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 6>do we even care that Dave was murdered? I'll be honest.

1217
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:09.079
<v Speaker 6>I don't think I even need to be honest. You

1218
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 6>might actually be able to guess what I'm gonna say.

1219
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.720
<v Speaker 6>The question is, will you be honest, Karen? How much

1220
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 6>do you actually care past the virtue signaling tweet or

1221
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 6>the dollar you handed to that stinky man outside the

1222
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.359
<v Speaker 6>Starbucks so he'd leave you alone. Until the Karens of

1223
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:31.079
<v Speaker 6>the world with the ability to vote start being honest

1224
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:35.960
<v Speaker 6>with themselves, actual tangible solutions that don't involve rotating blades

1225
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 6>will continue to remain out of reach. Dave Beckett was

1226
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 6>anknown sexual predator with the public New was only the

1227
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:50.319
<v Speaker 6>tip of a likely much uglier Iceberg. Did Chris, in

1228
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:55.039
<v Speaker 6>his own twisted way, do society a favor. Don't you

1229
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:59.319
<v Speaker 6>dare roll your eyes, Karen, because ultimately, whose job is

1230
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.600
<v Speaker 6>it to manage adults who are incapable of managing themselves?

1231
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.600
<v Speaker 6>Christ and Dave weren't just homeless. They were rejected by

1232
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 6>their families, shunned by their peers, even outcasts within the

1233
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.960
<v Speaker 6>homeless community itself. The sad truth is that most people

1234
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 6>living on the streets aren't victims of circumstance. It's a

1235
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.880
<v Speaker 6>great story to tell, and it keeps getting perpetuated by media,

1236
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.000
<v Speaker 6>But those people put themselves there through their own actions.

1237
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.880
<v Speaker 6>That may not be true all over the world, but

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01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.279
<v Speaker 6>here in America, the land of opportunity, you have no

1239
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:39.039
<v Speaker 6>excuse for ending up homeless unless you want to, not

1240
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.520
<v Speaker 6>permanently anyway. That's just an uncomfortable fact that Karens who

1241
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.359
<v Speaker 6>want to feel good about being lazy and shitty to

1242
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:50.760
<v Speaker 6>everyone around them refuse to accept. Why demand accountability when

1243
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.840
<v Speaker 6>you can just virtue signal feel good about yourself. The

1244
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:57.159
<v Speaker 6>humans in this camp and many others like it, were

1245
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 6>pushed so far to the margins. The only people left

1246
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.359
<v Speaker 6>to deal with them were each other, and this time

1247
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:10.880
<v Speaker 6>it ended in murder. So the question lnkers, if society

1248
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.479
<v Speaker 6>had stepped in sooner, not just with housing, but with

1249
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:19.319
<v Speaker 6>real accountability instead of virtue signaling, would Dave still be alive?

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01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:46.439
<v Speaker 6>I think you probably already know the answer to that. Well,

1251
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.119
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to get a lot of hate mail this week.

1252
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:50.199
<v Speaker 6>It's a good thing. I don't read any of it.

1253
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:52.600
<v Speaker 6>As a matter of fact. Why do I even have

1254
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:56.840
<v Speaker 6>an email address? Haven't gotten anything other than Nigerian scammers

1255
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.640
<v Speaker 6>and carts for the last ten years. Way that's gonna

1256
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.239
<v Speaker 6>do it for another one of these silly murder shows

1257
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 6>you guys seem to love for some reason. I hope

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01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 6>you enjoyed that one. We'll be back before you know it,

1259
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:15.279
<v Speaker 6>probably over the weekend with another one. They just keep happening, folks.

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<v Speaker 6>People are shit. Speaking of which, head on over to

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01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:23.359
<v Speaker 6>our store to support us if you want to. We've

1262
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:27.279
<v Speaker 6>got some people are shit merch which we can't advertise

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01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:31.439
<v Speaker 6>on YouTube because that's a dirty word, and all kinds

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01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.079
<v Speaker 6>of other stuff. Go check out store dot swordscale dot

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01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 6>com if you haven't signed up for plus. That's where

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<v Speaker 6>you get all the goodies, extra episodes, commercial free, lots

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<v Speaker 6>of good stuff in there, so go check that out

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<v Speaker 6>at Swordinscale dot com and download our iOS or Android app.

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<v Speaker 6>We've made lots and lots of improvements. It's way better,

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<v Speaker 6>much more stable, got a lot more features in there,

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<v Speaker 6>so check it out if you haven't in a while.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think that's gonna do it. That's my sales pitch.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks again for joining us, Thanks for being a plus member.

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<v Speaker 6>If you are, we love you guys. Well, I don't

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<v Speaker 6>love anyone other than myself because I'm a narcissist.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you so just our staff. Oh I almost forgot.

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<v Speaker 6>This episode was written by Miss Barbara Way, one of

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<v Speaker 6>our producers here that's been with us for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>She's great. That's gonna do it. Thanks again. Until next time,

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<v Speaker 6>stay safe and stay out of the homeless camps.

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