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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you ask him how many people he's raised

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him and how many people he's murdered?

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Speaker 4: Why didn't you bring him to justice?

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 6: This is episode three hundred and fourteen of Sword and Scale,

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a show that reveals it the worst monsters sometimes don't

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need a bunch of dubstep. I'm your host, Mike Boudet,

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or sometimes it's the Bidet, or sometimes it's just that

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nazi or that racist or that misogynist over there, the

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one that hosts that show that nobody likes. Anyway, I'm

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here not to talk about politics, but I'm just going

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to play some jams today, because you know what, that's

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all I've ever wanted to do. I just wanted to

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be a DJ, just wanted to play some tunes.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: Well, people listened and praised me for So that's what

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we're doing. That's nice, isn't it. Gotta love that jazz guitar.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 6: They say that when you get tired of what it

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is you're doing, when you when you get sick of it,

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you should probably stop doing it. Well, the people would

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say that are fucking morons because you still have a

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mortgage and some electric bills and whatnot. So here we

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are again, and we're going to tell you a murder story.

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Yes we are. Unfortunately, somebody has to die for your entertainment,

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you fucking weirdos. But uh, it is what you've come

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to expect when you come here, or isn't it. I

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guess that's my fault. I guess everything is my fault.

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I keep doing bad things. I'm such an unempathetic jerk.

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You know, I would probably just quit deleet my show, right.

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It would throw a parade. Actually, that's a good reason

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to keep going. November twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, it was

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just after four o'clock in the afternoon in Lake Worth, Florida,

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at the Try Rail station. An employee was frantically pacing

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in his booth as he called nine one one. A

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crisis was looming on the train tracks.

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Speaker 8: You know, my name's Charlie and I'm calling them Try

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Rail and I'm here for one of our passing trains.

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Reported that just north, about one hundred feet north of

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the seventh Avenue North crossing in Lake Worth, so we

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have a crossing there just west of I ninety five.

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There's somebody lying down about ten feet.

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Speaker 9: East of the east.

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Speaker 8: Tracks, lying on the ground. We don't know if it's

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if it's a body, or if it's a you know,

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somebody just sleeping or whatever. I do have security on

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the way. One second, wait, all go ahead.

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Speaker 6: As the caller was on the phone, one of his

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colleagues came into the booth. He had more to report

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on this mysterious body.

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Speaker 5: So we shot everything out, all right, See the radio

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that was about that something.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's okay, exactly right, right, So seventh Avenue north

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and world well on the railroad tracks, the Tryrail tracks.

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Speaker 6: The body on the side of the tracks was covered

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in blood, his legs and arms splayed out. It wasn't

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clear whether he was dead or alive just yet, and

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no one could get close enough because the trains were

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still rolling into the station one by one. Panic set

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in as the Tryrail employees tried to figure out what

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had happened. If he'd been hit by a train, this

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could be a major problem. Terrible optics. We know how

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important pr is these days. The crew had no choice

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but to call an emergency and try to shut things

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down as quickly as they could.

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Speaker 1: And is he breathing? You?

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Speaker 7: You know what I do?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, So I'm going to get the terminated.

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Speaker 4: But near the Triro seeking.

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Speaker 5: Near the triro track, there's a meal covered in blood. Okay,

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sar east the west side of the track. He's kind

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of the track, Sure, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Is he breathing? Sure?

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Speaker 5: Did you know if can you ask your guy there

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down the radio?

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Speaker 7: They just call him.

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Speaker 8: This came from a passing train.

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's all they had.

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Speaker 8: First They said, you know, it looked like maybe a

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body or somebody sleeping there. And then the second train

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just went by. And you heard what I did from

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the disk backer about this MT Just get there.

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Speaker 5: Your guys from east and there get breathing. Another call

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and he said that the guy spuntily deceased and he's

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uh got hit.

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Speaker 6: By trains kept rolling through the station. Those calls flooded in.

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At the same moment, another passenger dialed nine one one

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from his cell phone.

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Speaker 5: I'm taking the train down from the West Bombach station down.

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There was a dead man on the side.

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Speaker 1: Of the train.

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Speaker 5: I saw him from the window. To gu go, was

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a dead guy on the side of the road. Yeah,

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an office right now on the train on top to him.

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Speaker 8: Okay, have been here on the trains?

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Speaker 5: No, No, he was running on the ground, was looking

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out the windows, were going into the Lakeport station, just

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above Lake Wart station. There was the man here. He

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got shot and before he got hit by the trains. Okay,

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so this is that's the lake Ward Tirol station, above

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the Lake Wart station along the tracks where we're slowing

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down coming into station or the dead manerside to call

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blody double feedo.

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Speaker 6: Passengers had gathered around the collar. How could they not

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after miles of gravel and green bushes. They rolled into

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the city station and just as the train picked up

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speed again. There it was a bloody mess just off

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the tracks.

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Speaker 5: It looks like I would grow up in tracking. Got

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hit by the north down train.

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Speaker 7: I stand up when I need to get the panetics

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on the line.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 6: The train kept going. The body was now a memory

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in the distance, but that image was unshakable.

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Speaker 5: Get talking to the opposite here on the train. There's

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already people on the way to take care of it. Dude, sir,

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there is no address. I'm on the am Kink train

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hitting out hit above blake Work to date hit. There

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was a man on the other side of the track.

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I went looking out the one day he said it.

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From what I could say, he was early mess up.

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Can you tell me? Are you just north of Lakeworth Road?

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Blakeworth day along the train tracks, along the train track

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on the on the north out side of the train,

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on the other side track. He was playing ate up

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and he was a mess up exactly, I mean literally,

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probably can't go off the train.

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Speaker 6: Passengers talked in groups, trading half formed memories of the

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body they thought they saw as the train sped on. Meanwhile,

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tri Rail employees were still on the phone with nine

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one one, trying to make sense of it all. What

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most passengers didn't know is that this wasn't just a

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one off tragedy. In cities across America, the edges of

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public infrastructure like train tracks, underpasses and wooded areas, I've

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quietly become home for those with nowhere else to goose.

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Speaker 5: That's another call.

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Speaker 8: What's another call that I guess all that he was

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read by the tracks for your driver said, yeah, about

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ten the east of the tracks. We do have a

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train drop a shruckdown at this time?

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Speaker 1: And he didn't say if he could sell about some

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how old this male was.

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Speaker 5: A description or anything like that. I'm not a fanic nothing.

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Speaker 6: The Palm Beach sheriff arrived at the train station. They

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hiked up the tracks towards the bloody man. The closer

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they walked, the more obvious it became. This man hadn't

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been hit by a train. He'd been butchered. He lay

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sprawled on the cobblestones, blood soaking the rocks beneath his head.

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His blue eyes stared skyward, frozen in fear. The victim

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had a fatal stab wound to the neck, the source

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of all the blood. He also had defensive wounds on

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the fingers of both hands, a laceration to his left

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hand and his stomach, and a slice to his right jawline.

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It was brutal. His T shirt, his khaki shorts, his

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bare feet. The man looked like someone's middle aged dad

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who'd wandered off the beach and walked straight into hell.

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Blood covered every inch of them. His officers moved up

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the tracks. They spotted a pair of sunglasses. A few

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steps later, they found it a four foot long broad

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sword slick with blood. Think of a brave heart. The

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officers paused. The sword was ornate, It had a woven

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silver handle with two floral designs at the edges. It

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looked like something out of a Scottish museum. Yet here

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it was lying on the dirty rocks by the train tracks,

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covered in blood. Nothing about the victim fit the weapon,

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but the blood, the sword, it all pointed to something

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very deliberate. That's when officers heard it, voices drifting from

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the trees just beyond the tracks. So they started walking,

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and as they did, they found themselves following a trail

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of blood towards the sounds. In the brush. About seventy

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five feet north of where the body was found, the

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police discovered a small homeless encampment. The camp wasn't accidental,

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It was laid out with intention. There was distance between

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the tents and shared resources. This wasn't just survival, it

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was strategy. In twenty seventeen, sleeping in public was criminalized

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in Palm Beach County, a place where lots of very

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wealthy people live, so the people here stayed out of

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sight and far from the law. There was one large

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tent on the far north side of the camp, tucked

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away in trees like a little plastic cottage. About twenty

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feet down from that was another tent set up in

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the same neat and organized fashion as the first one.

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The police drew their weapons and announced themselves. Two couples

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emerged from the tents with their hands up and shocked faces.

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Speaker 10: All right, who who would like to speak with me?

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So you're pick all right, how about we go this

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way Europe? All right, Hi, I'm Paul. Excuse me, I'm Paul.

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My hands are dirty, Okay, I'm sorry. Can what is

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your first name? Tasha?

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Speaker 7: T A s h A.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me who resides in this location?

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Speaker 11: As far as I know, it's just Robert and I

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on this first heads okay, and it's greed and it's

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got like a black tarp uh that's got the bis

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queen plastic piece on.

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Speaker 7: Top of it.

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Speaker 11: And then pretty good distance away you have the walk

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and path through in between as a generator.

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Speaker 7: After the generator is the white and blue tag. Okay.

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Speaker 12: So your tenant is the furthest north north, okay.

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Speaker 1: All right, So then you pass a generator who do

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you get to next?

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Speaker 7: I get to which I thought her name was Gladys?

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Speaker 13: Okay, today what's her name? That's how close we stay

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his names. And then I know Kenny because he work

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with Robert. He lives with Carol.

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Speaker 6: According to Tasha McGraw, the camp was quite spread out.

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Tasha and Robert Pellettier shared a generator with another homeless couple,

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Carol Thompson and Kenny Schmid, but that was about all

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they shared.

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Speaker 12: Robert and Tasha, Carol slash, Gladys and Kenny. And then

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who else is here?

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Speaker 11: I know that somewhere this way there was a guy

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named Chris, and I only know of him because.

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Speaker 7: He is I guess, Jarrett. This is what I was told.

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Speaker 11: That was my guess, because he spends hours on and

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yelling get.

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Speaker 7: Out of my ask get out of my house. I said, no,

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I you know, and I mean he.

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Speaker 11: Does it continuously until he wears himself one passes out.

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Speaker 6: The man with turret syndrome. Chris lived far far off

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in the brush, away from the two couples who shared

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the generator, but he was loud, always screaming and making

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a fuss, so Tasha heard him even if she didn't

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see him.

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Speaker 1: So, Tasha, I'm sure you know why we're here.

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Speaker 11: I have no idea, Okay, all right, I'll be honest

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with you, being a woman.

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Speaker 7: Uh huh.

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Speaker 11: I am curious and probably should be smiling because there's

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the characters here, which means there's probably something serious it's happened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you have no idea why we're here.

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Speaker 7: I heard somebody yelling earlier.

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Speaker 11: One it was Chris. Probably I lose shot at top.

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I was holding clothes, maybe three point thirty, and I

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could be Robert would be if I looked in my phone,

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I could tell you exactly what time I heard Kelly,

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because I was texting at the time that they yelling.

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And I said to Robert, I think Chris has gotten out, okay.

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And we came to the door and listened, and he said,

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I see it. He's like, I think it's just Chris

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and doctor cleaning.

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Speaker 6: Life at the small encampment was relatively calm, except for Chris.

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Though his tent was far away and hidden beneath some brush.

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He still came out, but he was one of the

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people that Tasha stayed clear of. She'd only been on

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the streets for a few months and still had a job.

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She went to. All the couples at the camp were

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living a pretty normal existence beyond the fact that they

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were homeless and living in the woods and houses made

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of nylon.

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Speaker 11: These four people, Kenny and Carol and Robert and I

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stay away from the the you know, he is hanging

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out in front of the store.

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Speaker 7: None of us shrink or do drugs. We can't. We

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get we work, break, we.

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Speaker 11: Eat, We have a generator at the TV and all

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those things, because that's what we spend our money on,

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not on drinking and drunks.

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Speaker 7: Okay, my car was.

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Speaker 11: Just recently Toad and I've been back here for just

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a few months.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 11: I leave that four in forty five in the morning.

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I work at the labor.

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Speaker 14: Hall and I'm likely to get by.

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Speaker 7: Six or six thirty at night. I'm working in Belglade.

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Speaker 10: So wow, Okay, is there anybody else that you know

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of that stays here or lives here or anything like that? No, Okay,

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does anybody ever have any people over?

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Speaker 7: No? Okay, I would never bring anybody.

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Speaker 6: I have to say. If all this is true, Tasha

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is pretty incredible. She's got some serious spiritual serenity. We

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could all use a piece of She is homeless, living

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in a tent in the woods. Her car has been

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towed and she clearly can't get it back. But here

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she is making the best of it, still getting up

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at four forty five am to go to work. I

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mean that's admirable to the public. Homeless encampments soften conjure

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images of chaos and danger, and although that's true to

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some extent, that's not always the full story. People like

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Tasha are holding down jobs, folding laundry by flashlight, and

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doing their best to live quiet, invisible lives.

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Speaker 1: What does Chris look like?

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Speaker 11: As far as the only way, the only way I

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know what he looks like is because they described it

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to me, and I remember seeing work.

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Speaker 7: He ass some kind of tattoo on his forehead. I

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believe the tribals on his forehead.

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Speaker 1: It look like a propeller.

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Speaker 11: I think it's more like a tribal thing. It could

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be a propeller. I know it's not a tear drop,

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but it's right smagg center of his forehead, and it's

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not tiny, it's big.

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Speaker 7: It's a good site too.

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Speaker 11: I think I know Chris, and that he had longer hair,

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and he always more Spandex shorts.

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Speaker 6: The officer knew Chris from the streets. It was hard

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not to. He looked like Iggy Pop if Iggy Pop

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wore spandex and hiking boots and rode a scooter around

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town with his mullet blowing in the wind. What a sight.

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Chris had a big tattoo in the center of his

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forehead that looked like a swastika or maybe a plane propeller.

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Nothing says I want to be homeless forever than a

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tattoo on your face. He wore a snake pendant around

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his neck and a thick gold Superman ring on his finger.

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Most days, he didn't bother to put on a shirt.

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While one officer talked with Tasha, a few others made

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their way down to Chris's tent. When they got to

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his spot, they noticed a large sword hanging by the

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door like a do not enter sign. The camp had

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become sort of a no go zone, not officially but practically.

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Police didn't patrol it. Why would they. Until this moment,

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they hadn't even known that it existed. As the officers

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got closer, they could hear Chris inside his tent. When

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he finally came out, he was screaming. He attacked me,

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He attacked me. Chris's hand was bloody and so swollen

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it looked like a baseball man. It had been wrapped

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up in a bandage that was soaked with blood. The

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officers cuffed him. As they sat him on the ground,

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they suddenly noticed the trail of blood that they had

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originally he followed. It led straight to Chris's tent. How's

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that for detective work. It was a strange irony, a crime,

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this loud in a place built to be silent. If

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it hadn't spilled onto the train tracks, the world may

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have never found out about it. Off the tri rail

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tracks in Lakeworth, Florida, passengers on various trains had noticed

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the dead body of a middle aged man out on

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the tracks. Train traffic was halted as the police investigated

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what happened to this unassuming victim who looked like he

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belonged at a Palm beach casino instead of butchered by

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the railroad tracks. Next to the victim's body was the

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murder weapon of four foot long sword. If I'm not mistaken,

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that maybe the first sword murder we've told on sword

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and Scale, which is kind of weird. Following the blood

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trail from the victim's body, the police discovered a small

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homeless encampment where three tents were set up. Two of

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the tents were inhabited by couples, and the furthest tent

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was owned by a man named Chris. A very wild

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man named Chris. He was known on the streets for

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his erratic behavior and ridiculous appearance. The police took Chris

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up to the Fire and Rescue to get his hand

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injury looked at, and while they did, the other officers

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continued to question the couples at the encampment. They started

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talking with the other couple, Carol and Kenny.

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Speaker 15: Okay, so Carol, what's been going on today? How the

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day start out? What's what have you been doing?

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Speaker 7: All?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 7: As normal, we always wake up to Chris screaming home.

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Speaker 15: He wakes up screaming. Is that a normal occurrence? He's schizophrenic? Okay,

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at least that's a peel so normal day.

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Speaker 16: Well, day, we went to dunkin Donuts, came back and

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this is what Mara were intent watching TV when the

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Shris who showed up.

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Speaker 6: Carol and her husband spent most of their time shuffling

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back and forth from the dunkin Donuts to their tent. Inside,

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they had set up a makeshift kitchen and bedroom where

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they tried to stay away from Chris's chaos. As Carol

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put it, he was unstable, but over time the chaos

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became routine. So when he knocked on their tent, and

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I say knocked because I don't know what else to say,

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when he knocked on their tent asking for an ACE bandage,

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she didn't think much of it.

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Speaker 15: You guys went to dunkin Donuts today, you were here

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watching TV?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: How long ago would you say that he came up

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and asked for an ace bandage? I don't know what

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time it is, Okay, it's five two hours ago, maybe

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two hours ago? Two hours ago?

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Speaker 7: Okay? Did he What was he wearing? Do you know?

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He had no shirt on? And I think sweatpants. You

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know what color sweatpants? I think they were blue? Okay,

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I'm only I'm blinded more, I show no problem.

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Speaker 16: So, but he asked for an eight spandage for his

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rich medium and his spandish and you left them?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Really?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Are you guys close with him?

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Speaker 15: Does he talk to you or is it just kind

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of like a I mean you guys obviously know him,

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or I mean we try to averread him. Okay, okay,

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it's those problems. Would you say he's does he scare

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you or at times?

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Speaker 7: Jesus? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Got it?

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Speaker 15: How about before that, did Chris say that he was

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having any conflicts with anybody?

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Speaker 7: Did he ask he has intercomfist with people inside his head?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Okay, He's always yelling at somebody to get out.

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Speaker 16: He's gonna kill him. He's always always yelling at somebody

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to get out. Trespassing. You're doing this, you're doing that.

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They're all diagnosed.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if he stagnosed schizophronic, but I'll tell

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you what if he isn't definitely run? Does he take

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any medication?

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Speaker 6: Excitements, Tasha, I thought Chris had Turets syndrome, but Carol

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assumed he was schizophrenic. Needless to say, none of these

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people were mental health professionals. Put it that way, Chris

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woke the whole camp up every morning screaming about trespassers

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or people who were trying to hurt him. He lived

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in his own head, which was a dark neighborhood that

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he could never crawl out of. But even his chaos

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had rules. He stayed mostly to his corner and others

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stayed to theirs. There was a kind of internal logic

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to the camp, full of invisible boundaries and unspoken understandings.

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But still Carol was scared of Chris. Tasha was too.

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Being the two women in the camp, Chris made them

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nervous when the men weren't around. By the way, who's

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the Karen responsible for getting rid of mental institutions? Remember

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when all these people were housed and cared for, but

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then something happened and somebody got hurt, so we got

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rid of all of them. I know one of you

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Karens out there was responsible, at least one of your

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grandma Karents with a PhD. What a fucking idiot. Just

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because a patient dies in the hospital doesn't mean you

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get rid of all hospitals. These so called experts really

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are useless, aren't They probably should have bottomized her instead

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of taking doctor Karen's advice.

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Speaker 7: All the men back here, which would be Kenny and Robert,

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told him, do not come this way. We have women

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that live here.

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Speaker 14: We don't want to see you and since, and he's

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respected that and made away because I'm new.

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Speaker 6: For the most part, Chris kept to himself and stayed

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clear of the couple's area, but whenever Chris did come

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knocking at their tents, the men would deal with them.

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Residents told police that earlier that afternoon, Chris had barged

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into the camp asking for an ace bandage. Carol's husband, Kenny,

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had given him one.

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Speaker 7: He asked you for an eighth bandage his right hand,

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then for one of his hand. I went watch camp

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tells of one what hand on? No problem?

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Speaker 1: After that?

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Speaker 2: After we ate was watching TV one other and the

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train stopped right okay, and then took off again. I figured, okay,

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he's playing stupid games again and train and stop because

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that's the one time they stopped.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you caught that, but listen carefully.

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Kenny said that earlier that day he heard the train

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stop near their camp, which was one hundred feet north

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of the station itself. He assumed that it was because

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of this little game Chris usually played. He insinuated that

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Chris would often go to the train tracks and get

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close to the train, causing it to halt like a

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suicidal game of Chicken. I guess when you're homeless, you

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got to entertain yourself somehow, even if usually it's at

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society's expense.

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Speaker 7: What does Chris look like? Describe nothing?

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Speaker 2: Tall, maybe six too, skinny, long, dark hair.

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Speaker 7: Weird okay, long dark hair, very weird. Okay? What makes

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him weird? He gets fine?

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Speaker 2: Okay, He's got like twelve He's got a whole family

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of invisible friends.

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Speaker 6: It was hard to take anything Chris said with any credibility.

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He was always ranting and raving, fighting with the so

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called invisible friends in his head. Then Carol remembered something

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strange about Chris coming over and asking for a bandage.

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Speaker 7: Christie, come over to our tent before you guys did

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come up? Okay, said somebody who's tried to rape him.

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Somebody's tried to rape him. It's something we've heard millions

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of times over.

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Speaker 2: He did say someone tried to raping Oh okay. When

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he was getting the a spanies, I said who, he

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said out? Okay, Yeah, what I'm saying. I live with

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him next door, screaming at all hours, and knives about him.

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His ghost was sticking something glass or mouth or something.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Though, the officer was shocked. Carol and Kenny were unfazed.

477
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,960
They'd heard rape accusations from Chris many times, mostly about

478
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,319
the ghosts who were trying to shove things into his

479
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,839
backside orifice. So like every other outburst from Chris, they

480
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,720
turned their backs and zipped up their tent. I mean,

481
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:42,640
what else could they do? But now there was a

482
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,160
man who had been stabbed to death in the place

483
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,680
that Chris liked to go and try to halt the trains.

484
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,920
According to Kenny, the only man who had weapons in

485
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,119
their camp was Chris.

486
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 7: Does he have any weapons or anything is a weapon?

487
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: He's got all kinds of swords, knives, staring stars all wow.

488
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't worry about him.

489
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,119
Speaker 15: Does he have any well, you say, knives and throwing

490
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,359
these stars? He have like swords and they got swords

491
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,720
all kinds oh geezh. Any kind of sword, remember, any

492
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,759
one specifically? Any kind of swords like big swords or

493
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,599
anything like five big swords.

494
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,079
Speaker 6: When the police investigated Chris's tent, it was filled with

495
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,640
weapons and a few cats, poor things. Chris has display knives,

496
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,880
samurai swords, throwing stars, and other exotic weapons all over

497
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,240
the edges of the inside of his little home. He

498
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,640
had a blow up mattress, a makeshift kitchen complete with

499
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,880
about nine bottles of vitamins, a boombox, a television, a

500
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,799
DVD player, a microwave, and a little matt at his

501
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,119
front door. Have cozy. Maybe this was a tent in

502
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,720
the woods, but it was also his home and most

503
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,680
damning of all. Inside chris tent, they found the sheath

504
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:04,559
to the samurai sword that had been used to kill

505
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:10,160
the victim. Chris's real name was George Christopher Livingston. What

506
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,519
a name sounds like some sort of old timey explorer

507
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,079
instead of a homeless nut. He was fifty one years

508
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,839
old and had been on the streets of Lake Worth

509
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,400
for years. In fact, Tasha's partner Robert, had known Chris

510
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:27,519
for a long time.

511
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 17: Tell me about Chris. Well, I've known Chris for the

512
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,839
better part of I don't know, for four or five

513
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:41,000
years now, okay. And he's always been somewhat less than cohesive.

514
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you been living with him for four or

515
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,079
five years? I've just known him. I've never lived with him.

516
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 17: There was a time a few years back when the

517
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,440
radio station was all wooded areas we stayed there.

518
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Chris burned that down, so we got jettisons from that.

519
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,920
I remember that.

520
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Chris had burned down the last encampment Robert lived in.

521
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,359
It was such a big fire that the officer remembered

522
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,759
it too. Chris was always in trouble with the law,

523
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,480
but it was never anything big enough to get him

524
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:18,400
behind bars. Unfortunately, it was just a hindrance, a drain

525
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,200
on society. The man needed some serious help. He was

526
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,319
mentally unstable. Stories like Chris's aren't rare. Untreated mental illness,

527
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,640
no steady psychiatric care, and a legal system that sees

528
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,799
the need for help but not the kind it can give.

529
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:40,839
According to court records, his own parents had kicked him

530
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,359
out of their home due to repeated violence, which is

531
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,160
how he ended up on the streets in nineteen ninety eight.

532
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,599
Things spiraled from there. In twenty twelve, he'd been arrested

533
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,039
in Boyton Beach while hanging around a children's park with

534
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,599
a large hunting knife. When the officers took him off

535
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,279
the premiss and searched him, he asked why they didn't

536
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,920
also take his taser. It was stuffed into his spandex shorts.

537
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: And around that time.

538
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 17: You know, we'd have conversations from time to time, nothing

539
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,680
terribly extensive, but you know you can tell he's not

540
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,119
playing with the full deck, he claims.

541
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,079
Speaker 1: You know, who have been struck by lightning.

542
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,519
Speaker 17: And there was a time I'd come home and find

543
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,240
dead raccoons laid out of my doorstep, you know, like

544
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,400
the health you know.

545
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,559
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you could make a nice fat out

546
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:31,799
of him.

547
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,359
Speaker 10: Can you imagine so other than Chris and you and Tascha,

548
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,960
who else lives here in this in this woods?

549
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,119
Speaker 1: Here?

550
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 17: Kenny and Carroll are here? Okay, Dave Beckett. I don't,

551
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,400
to be honest with you, I don't venture much past

552
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:50,000
my own tank. The only reason I know Kenny and

553
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,640
Carroll is because we have a you know, a business

554
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:53,720
arrangement sharing the.

555
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 6: Generators, a business arrangement. Imagine living in the age of

556
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,200
AI and you have a business arrangement involving a generator.

557
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 12: So the other person that you mentioned, Dave, what's stayed

558
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:09,920
less him? And you know that for sure, not with

559
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:15,680
a degree of certainty. Okay, but that's the name I've heard, okay,

560
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,400
reference to him? What's on more than one ocasion?

561
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay?

562
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 12: What is Dave's not Dave's story, but about how old

563
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,720
is he? Can you describe him at all? Well?

564
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,279
Speaker 1: He similar to my look a little shorter, okay, but

565
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,799
he's got the gray beard. Where's a ball camp all

566
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,079
the time? About how old? Early in the mid fifties,

567
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:36,680
I would.

568
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 6: Guess Dave had been in and out of the camp.

569
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160
Like Tasha. He worked at the Labor Hall. In case

570
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,720
you don't know, the Labor Hall is a temporary staffing

571
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,319
agency that helps people pick up blue collar work throughout

572
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:51,759
the area.

573
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 18: One was lesson he saw Dave dick well or have

574
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,720
you even seen him dack? See, I'm not sure it

575
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,200
was Dave that I saw Chris encountering.

576
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:04,799
Speaker 1: Okay.

577
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 17: I know at one point we had gotten back from

578
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,320
the beach. I guess sometime between one thirty and two thirty,

579
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Tasha and myself thank you.

580
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I was going to say, who's willing?

581
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 7: All right?

582
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Tasha sad between in that area, and.

583
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,639
Speaker 17: We went into the tent and pretty much sorting through

584
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,440
clothes that decided what to take to wash and whatnot.

585
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: At one point I.

586
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 17: Had to run to Sitco and get some gas for

587
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,280
the generator. But at some point after we were home,

588
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,280
I couldn't nail down a specific time. Two people I recognized.

589
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,199
The second one was Chris ran past the tent. Okay,

590
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,320
it appeared that Chris was chasing somebody. I thought it

591
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,039
might have been Dave, but I wasn't.

592
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 7: Certain to see what the guy was wearing. And he

593
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480
was chasing like a blur build into like a.

594
00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: Well.

595
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 17: The reason I'm not entirely certain Dave is because he

596
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,960
was wearing I don't know one specifically, but it was

597
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,159
brighter colors than I'm used to seeing him. He's usually

598
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,400
a camouflage or a darker colored Okay, you know, but

599
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,320
it seemed to me like he might have been wearing

600
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,480
a T shirt. It was light and come maybe I

601
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,039
don't know if it looked like it was light blue

602
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,039
with orange sleeves.

603
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 6: The dead Man on the Tracks matched Dave's description perfectly.

604
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,599
The gray beard, mid fifties, bright blue shirt with orange sleeves.

605
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,559
Speaker 1: I thought it was Dave. Ran past the tent first.

606
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 17: Now, Dave's more often than not drunk, so it wasn't

607
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,280
with any real speed that he ran by the tent,

608
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,400
more of us, and then you know, three seconds behind

609
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,239
him came Chris, just yelling, yelling something like I was

610
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:49,960
going to marry her.

611
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: You raped her or something. I don't know. I don't know.

612
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,360
It wasn't a big commotion, but it was enough to

613
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,719
catch my attention. Tasha and I both stood up and

614
00:35:58,119 --> 00:35:59,000
what the hell's going on?

615
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 15: Right?

616
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,039
Speaker 17: We walked out, and we actually walked as far as

617
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:08,480
the train tracks here and could see down here some altercation.

618
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:11,559
But it didn't look it didn't look too violent or

619
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,360
too serious. It just looked like a couple of guys

620
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,800
shoving each other. Okay, anybody look for me. Well, I

621
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,039
could see one of them was Chris. We saw one

622
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,559
of them ass well, one of ri it's wearing.

623
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,199
Speaker 6: We have to put this into perspective, because I know

624
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,320
what you're thinking. If you heard two men rush past

625
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000
your home screaming at one another, you'd probably follow the

626
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,800
noise to see what was going on, and if you

627
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,800
saw them getting into it, you'd contemplate calling the police.

628
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,320
But Robert and Tasha were homeless and squatting in the

629
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,599
woods during this time. In twenty seventeen, there was an

630
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,440
ordinance that made it illegal to set up permanent shelters

631
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,840
on public property. Though their camp was hidden deep in

632
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,039
the woods, it still wasn't allowed. Robert and Tasha didn't

633
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,199
want to bring any attention, let alone the police, to

634
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,360
their encampment. This is probably why they just all did

635
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,519
their best to ignore Chris's outbursts and roll with the punches.

636
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480
The idea that you would call the cops for help

637
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:16,159
concerning anything was preposterous. You don't do that when you're

638
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,480
breaking the law yourself. It's the wild West out there,

639
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,199
which raises a broader question about the growing homeless population.

640
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:30,119
Encampments are now a major issue in cities nationwide. For years,

641
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,119
most advocacy groups and academics have followed the consistent philosophy

642
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,039
provide housing regardless of sobriety or mental health status, and

643
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:46,639
homelessness will decline, But the Cicero Institute challenges that view.

644
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:51,000
The public policy think tank argues that the housing first

645
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:55,639
model has failed and instead supports banning unauthorized street camping

646
00:37:56,119 --> 00:38:00,559
and reallocating funds from permanent housing to short terms shelters

647
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,920
and treatment programs. Here's Devin Kurtz, public safety policy director

648
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,400
from the Cicero Institute.

649
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 19: Criminological literature, there's a lot of talking about, oh, well,

650
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,719
this is a very visible population, which allows it to

651
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,480
be you know, policed more than the other communities, and

652
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,679
there's some truth to that, but there's also this this

653
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,559
sort of wild West component where if you get an

654
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:27,360
encampment that's far enough out, there's you know, no one

655
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,960
coming to help, and there's no one surveilling it.

656
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,039
Speaker 7: So these have at times.

657
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,119
Speaker 19: Become you know, no go zones for law enforcement, and

658
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:39,000
it ends up until there's a fire or until there's

659
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,840
a murderer. It's sort of just spt in its own.

660
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:44,639
Speaker 6: This encampment in our story had definitely become a no

661
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,840
go zone. The cops were unaware of it until the

662
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,559
murder occurred. But how do you police something that's buried

663
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,960
deep in the woods and no one even knows it's there.

664
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,519
The Cicero Institute's hallmark policy is the prohibition of street camping.

665
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,159
Most nonprofits are very unhappy with the fact that they

666
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,239
have passed encampment bands in nineteen states and the.

667
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 19: Framing by critics, and they usually come and they protest

668
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,119
the hearings and they protest our office as they did

669
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,079
a couple of weeks ago, and this criminalizes holmossness and

670
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,719
ultimately leads to mass incarceration of them and saddles them

671
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,679
with criminal.

672
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,599
Speaker 1: Records, etc. Etc.

673
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 19: The reality could be further from the truth. This is

674
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,679
trying to respond to the obvious need for a community

675
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:40,000
to regulate the existence of encampments in our community. If

676
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,239
there's a camp on the sidewalk in front of your

677
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,960
house or in front of your business, obviously there needs

678
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,559
to be some mechanism by which law enforcement and the

679
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:56,320
city and county and the state can ensure that is

680
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,599
dealt with in a way that is certainly compassionate. But

681
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,239
I would argue that we're not experiencing a homelessness crisis

682
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,119
that's particularly unusual, as much as we are experiencing a

683
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,760
crisis and unsheltered homelessness. What we're seeing in certain states

684
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,320
is this population doubling.

685
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 6: Robert, Tasha, Carol, Kenny, and Chris were a part of

686
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,559
this unsheltered population, tucked away in a no go zone

687
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,960
of society's fringe. The crime happened in there, hidden the world,

688
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:32,800
and if the victim's body hadn't been left by the

689
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,320
side of the train tracks, maybe nobody would have ever

690
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,159
known that this happened. In fact, Robert was the only

691
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,960
one who witnessed the fight begin.

692
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 7: What was occurring when you saw them standing there.

693
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,599
Speaker 17: Well, what I saw was whoever the other gentleman was

694
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,159
possibly gave with us back to defense, Chris shoving them

695
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:54,960
against defense.

696
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 7: There was a shove back. Okay, did you see anything else?

697
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: A little you know where they grab each other's elbows,

698
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,400
and you know who I thought was? Dave ran that

699
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,679
way and Chris came back this way, and Kaus and

700
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,760
I went back into the tanks. Okay.

701
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 17: A few minutes later, Chris showed up just outside the tent,

702
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,559
asking if we had an ace bandage for.

703
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 7: Him that he could call.

704
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: Okay, did he have any any blood or anything on him?

705
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,559
Speaker 12: I didn't see any signs of blood. Well, okay, does

706
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,760
anybody here in this camp you carry any weapons.

707
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: Other than Chris?

708
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:31,119
Speaker 2: No?

709
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: Okay, what does Chris have?

710
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,519
Speaker 17: Well, Chris has a cachet of weapons in there, swords, knives,

711
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:44,360
an assortment of knives, Chinese throwing stars, Okay, a collection

712
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,320
he's rabbit proud of.

713
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 6: Everyone knew about Chris's tent of weapons. It was almost

714
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,199
as infamous as he was.

715
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,079
Speaker 12: Did you see him Chris using any of those weapons

716
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,719
tonight while this incident.

717
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: Was going on.

718
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 17: When he ran past my tent, it looked like he

719
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,159
had like a MARIAI sord possibly in his hand. Again,

720
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,960
I didn't get a really good look. I'm just speculating,

721
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,679
but he had something that had some length to it

722
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,639
and was silvery in color. Chris had chested yes.

723
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: When Dave walked away from my Again I'm not sure

724
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:20,000
it was Dave. I'm just guessing. But whoever it was

725
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,199
that walked away back here.

726
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 17: When they walked that way, they had something in their

727
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,519
hands too, But from where I stood, it looked like

728
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:29,760
it might have just been a stick.

729
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,519
Speaker 1: If you saw a picture Dave, would you be able

730
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:33,039
to say, yes, that's him, Yes, I will.

731
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,639
Speaker 6: That's when the officer brought over a picture of the

732
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,280
victim and showed it to Robert.

733
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Dave, Okay, so without the beard.

734
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,159
Speaker 6: Robert had said that Chris was screaming when he chased

735
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Dave past their tent, something about a woman he was

736
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,840
going to marry, and that David raped her. But then

737
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:56,159
Chris had told Carol and Kenny that someone had tried

738
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,119
to rape him. It was all just the mumblings of

739
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:03,639
a man who spritally needed psychiatric medication. But Dave Beckett

740
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,039
had been slaughtered to death with a four foot long sword.

741
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,840
Dave may have been a homeless drunk, but he was

742
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,519
still a person who lost his life and the police

743
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,239
had to find out why. In his years of being homeless,

744
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Chris had been charged with a few misdemeanors for carrying

745
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,239
illegal weapons. Maybe this whole murder was a manic episode,

746
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,880
a full break from reality where the hallucinations took the lead.

747
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,079
Or maybe David pushed him, provoked something dark that needed

748
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,679
to finally come out, because that's the thing. For as

749
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,679
crazy as Chris was, his criminal record was pretty minimal,

750
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,480
and every time he was arrested for something, he cooperated

751
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:54,000
and just mumbled incoherently to his imaginary pals. Chris did

752
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,840
what Chris did. He rode around on his scooter and

753
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,000
his spandex shorts, talking about the ghost in his asshole.

754
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,320
He was out of his mind. The women were frightened

755
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,599
of him, because well, why wouldn't you be? I mean,

756
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,960
I'm frightened of him. Wouldn't you be frightened of him?

757
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,159
If you lived in the woods in a nylon tent,

758
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,519
next to a screaming man with nothing but a thin

759
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,880
layer of cloth to protect you. The potential of danger

760
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,960
was there? But Chris had no track record of physically

761
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,840
assaulting or sexually assaulting anyone within the homeless community. He

762
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:33,480
just had zero social awareness, like someone freshly released from

763
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,519
an asylum dropped into the world without a map. Dave,

764
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:40,679
on the other hand, had a reputation.

765
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 7: I always caught him, Dave. I did not saw you

766
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:44,920
as last name.

767
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:45,679
Speaker 14: I know him.

768
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,079
Speaker 11: He worked out of the labor hall with me since

769
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:53,559
twenty fifteen. I heard he lived in one of these

770
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,880
tents bad here.

771
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 10: I have.

772
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 11: I've never seen him back here except for my very

773
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:09,000
first day, three to six months ago. That's when Robert

774
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,000
came out and said, you are not welcome here to Dave.

775
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 7: To Dave, okay, why would you not welcome because I'm here, okay,

776
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:23,519
And he has a bad reputation. And since that day,

777
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,039
I have never heard he is.

778
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 11: Even we've passed by getting our Chucks cash because we

779
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:31,840
all had to go to the same place to get

780
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,719
our Chucks cash.

781
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 14: He won't even look at me. He looks away. They

782
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,880
wanted the people that when women.

783
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 11: See him, they make the hair on the back of

784
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,039
your next stand up, okay, And that's when you want

785
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:45,760
to back away.

786
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 7: And so that's why I never spoken.

787
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 6: Throughout the Lake Worth homeless social circles. It was known

788
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,800
as a sexual predator. Many women had been assaulted by him,

789
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,840
and these rumors circled around the streets. According to the

790
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,559
court records, Dave had been in trouble with the low

791
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:07,280
since two thousand and three. He's got two felonies under

792
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,920
his belt, one for drug possession and another for driving

793
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
with a revoked license, as well as a bunch of

794
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:20,360
misdemeanors for trespassing, theft, public intoxication, and indecent exposure. In

795
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,760
twenty eleven, he was arrested forget this, possession of a

796
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:32,199
Burmese python without a license and improper caging allowing escape. Now,

797
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,599
a Burmese python is one of the most terrifying snakes

798
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,679
on the planet. It's also one of the largest, and

799
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,679
for some reason, they are infamous in Florida. Now, I

800
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,239
don't know why this man had a python or what

801
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,559
he was doing with it, but it fits, doesn't it?

802
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,840
In any case, the records are sealed, but you can

803
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,559
just imagine a homeless guy with a python. What a sight. Anyways,

804
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,840
the python was a rare one, but most of Dave's

805
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,039
just had to do with indecent exposure and even masturbating

806
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,800
in public. One time he was seen masturbating on the

807
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,880
side of I seventy five. That'll wake you up on

808
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,760
the way to work. Then Tasha told the police something

809
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,360
that made them question who the victim in this whole

810
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,159
thing actually was.

811
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 20: It was a rumor, and this is all just a

812
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:29,000
rumor that he almost I have a friend named Robert Crofton,

813
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,599
and different Robert. He goes by vou that there was

814
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:41,199
a rumor maybe six months ago that he had beat

815
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,480
up Robert Crofton and sent him to the del Ray

816
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,480
Menie and her way to beat him, and that was

817
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,599
just a rumor.

818
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 6: Tasha said that Dave had raped and beat a male

819
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,960
friend of her so badly that he had to be hospitalized.

820
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,960
Was Chris actually a victim? A target of ace? Sexually aggressive,

821
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,320
drunken deviant. Dave was dead, so his side of the

822
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,840
story died with him. Now all that was left was Chris.

823
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,920
When the body of Dave Beckett had been discovered slaughtered

824
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,039
on the side of the tri rail tracks in Lakeworth, Florida,

825
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,599
HeSE had followed the blood trail to a small encampment

826
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,920
of five people, two couples and an infamous, unhinged man

827
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,880
everyone knew as Chris Davi had been murdered with a

828
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,719
four foot long sword. As police interviewed the residents of

829
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,719
the encampment, they discovered that Dave and Chris had been

830
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,079
seen fighting down by the tracks earlier that afternoon. Chris

831
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,800
had told the other residents that David tried to rape him,

832
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,960
but no one took it seriously because Chris was always

833
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
saying things of that nature. But Dave had a reputation

834
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,480
as a sexual predator and had even recently beat and

835
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:39,239
raped another homeless man, sending him to the hospital for treatment.

836
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,760
Now it was time to hear what Chris had to say.

837
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,559
After paramedics took care of his hand, he was ready

838
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:47,360
to start talking.

839
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 4: So basically, I'm called it.

840
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 7: I'm expected with the sheriff talkers because you've been detained

841
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:51,960
for quite a while.

842
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: We were handcooked.

843
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: I'm going to read your Marinda Wanting all right, have

844
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,639
you ever been reading Marinda Wannings? She liked the legal

845
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,519
leens by Noda. You know me mind, if I just

846
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,480
do my job and the detective Oliver you can call

847
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:05,760
me Sean, call me Dick. Where're going out there?

848
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: And the rug to make you have a right to

849
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,679
landslide it. Yeah, but I'm going to be actually verbad

850
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,079
him into a policy because it's in Mini versus Arizona.

851
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 6: The nineteen Serienz Chris stated the exact law that created

853
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,800
the Miranda warning Miranda versus Arizona. In nineteen ninety six,

854
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,280
the Supreme Court ruled in Miranda via Arizona that police

855
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,119
must inform suspects of their rights before questioning them. Ernesto

856
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,360
Miranda confessed to a crime without knowing he could stay

857
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,119
silent or ask for a lawyer, so the court said

858
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:43,760
that violated his constitutional right. This decision created the Miranda warning.

859
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,000
The rights you've heard read over and over and over

860
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,920
for the last ten years on this podcast and for

861
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:53,559
the last sixty in the real world.

862
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: How did you give it? The point where he was

863
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,119
entry with the sword twenty twenty, Focus at your sword.

864
00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: It's out of your.

865
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: Tentpole one day, Wison expirdess. Even when you did it

866
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,639
to me, I did it too, almost along ago. But

867
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,719
he didn't want to do with this, I say, and

868
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,800
I'll get it to your ed.

869
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 7: You gave me, George, somebody that majority told me that

870
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:12,840
you were great.

871
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,639
Speaker 3: Now I tried them out, but I'll try to make

872
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,920
some time. I try to like a symbolic gesture, and yeah,

873
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,519
that a man that own.

874
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,559
Speaker 6: Chris admitted that he was skeptical of Dave, but he

875
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,159
had been hanging around and he'd given Dave the sword

876
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,199
as some sort of symbolic gesture, like here's my weapon

877
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,280
from my collection, protect yourself on the street, that sort

878
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,079
of thing. But then Chris told detectives that he was

879
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:47,440
scared of Dave because Dave did weird things that made

880
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,199
him crazy. Chris felt like he needed to stay away.

881
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,639
Speaker 3: Say you told me earlier and I had to never

882
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,840
premeditate slaying man do to reverse psychology guy.

883
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,039
Speaker 4: When I was injured, I couldn't help.

884
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 3: Him anymore when he had injured his sales, because I

885
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,960
know behind decided.

886
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,079
Speaker 4: I turned my back on when he saw when he

887
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,559
and the injuries occurred.

888
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: To me, I would know long in a fan Namatau.

889
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 6: But it obviously wasn't the end of his statement. Chris

890
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,480
kept trying to explain that Dave was a sexual predator.

891
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,800
He had raped and hurt other women on the streets,

892
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,599
and Chris was fed up with it. Then he heard

893
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,519
some woman that Chris had declared he wanted to marry.

894
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,800
This is what Robert heard when Dave and Chris came

895
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,440
running by his tent earlier that day. But Chris's story

896
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,159
was bouncing back and forth as he tried to explain himself.

897
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,679
His main point was that Dave was secretly gay. Chris

898
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,880
knew that Dave had raped other men in his tent.

899
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,599
Then he started coming on to Chris, and that changed

900
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,000
the course of their relationship.

901
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 3: I was essentially her asked how he the comments about

902
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,599
my jimetaria where it was pretty for man. I knew

903
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,199
that he was one sexil. He's had many unstian I

904
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,440
am not. He has a prohivision. In the state of Florida,

905
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:14,639
it is not legal and numerous man has did.

906
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Haven't realized you're claiming something in the stats time, I am.

907
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:24,119
I feel the right now.

908
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 7: Explain I didn't.

909
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: Why didn't you haven't been able to explay not on

910
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:29,840
So they explained it because I do not have to

911
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,559
explain myself.

912
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 7: Do if in your self defense?

913
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 6: Remember what Tasha told police Gene, a man who had

914
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,559
also been raped, beaten, and hospitalized by Dave. Without this

915
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,199
rumor from Tasha, Chris's self defense could have been viewed

916
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,320
as pure fiction, the ramblings of a crazy person, something

917
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,159
the voices in his head told him to say. But

918
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,719
maybe there was some truth to all this. Maybe this

919
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,280
time Dave had tried to rape him.

920
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,559
Speaker 7: You said you can yourselfing, would you asked you a questions?

921
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,519
If you're to answer, you put yourself on the shore?

922
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,599
Speaker 3: Why don't you ask him how many people he's raped him?

923
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:11,119
And how many people he's murdered? Okay, well what does

924
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,320
that look me look like? What does that make, especially

925
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,559
rape and murder myself? Doesn't I use somebody else?

926
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:17,119
Speaker 4: How many?

927
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,039
Speaker 7: Just because they did that to someone else?

928
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:20,119
Speaker 3: Is?

929
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 4: Why didn't you bring him to justice? I always known

930
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,599
the person of jurisdiction. I don't were you born in Florida?

931
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who care?

932
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a good that's.

933
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 7: A good start with Dave slipped through the cracks.

934
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 1: It happened.

935
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,639
Speaker 3: How many other people are twenty five years of cracks? Yes, hey,

936
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,599
he's looking at his system is not perfect, and I

937
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,360
agree with that system is not perfect. But you're blaming

938
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,800
self defense in all the askers. I don't want to

939
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,440
claim anything. I mean, I'm going to be incriminated either

940
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:53,599
way by you to particularize other's here as very different. Yes, okay,

941
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,519
I didn't realize he's dead. I didn't realize anything about it.

942
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 17: Man.

943
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,559
Speaker 3: I just feel a little defend myself and other people

944
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,920
you equally, as my sales out of your life would

945
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,840
have been threat this little moment.

946
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,599
Speaker 6: Chris had slipped through the cracks when it came to

947
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,760
his mental health, he should have been institutionalized or at

948
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,960
least seeing a psychiatrist, given a couple of pills or something.

949
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:17,679
But Dave slipped through the cracks when it came to

950
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,559
his sexual crimes, and Chris was angry. Maybe he wasn't

951
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,960
just a crazy man yelling at the moon for no reason.

952
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:29,159
Maybe he knew something about the man he killed that

953
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,400
justified his actions.

954
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: Have given you a chance to.

955
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 4: Put the sword on the other foot. That's my advice

956
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,039
to do.

957
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:34,519
Speaker 18: Well.

958
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,559
Speaker 1: I can't. I didn't.

959
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 7: I don't live your life.

960
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:37,559
Speaker 4: I didn't.

961
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 7: I didn't know that is I didn't live that.

962
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:40,599
Speaker 1: Okay, you do.

963
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:46,599
Speaker 4: What is your question that will help you disposed clarify?

964
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 7: He did not consider it I murdering.

965
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 3: Need for this a true I was not premedicated or

966
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:56,280
soul impulsive would have been like an actor. You know

967
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,760
what a credible credible threat is. It only requires a

968
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,280
criminal content for it. Yes, an aggravated assault or a felony. Right,

969
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,119
and once he saw you running after swords, he didn't

970
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,960
have this or you don't know what they know.

971
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: We've got statements from them.

972
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 9: They saw you running after him with Okay, well there

973
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,039
is the aggressor why were you after.

974
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:18,519
Speaker 1: Him the sword?

975
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 7: After this? Where did that?

976
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:21,679
Speaker 4: I took it back?

977
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 7: Where did that happen?

978
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,079
Speaker 4: And then he took it back? Actually when I took

979
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,079
it back and then I gave.

980
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 19: It to him.

981
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,119
Speaker 6: But the detective needed to decipher the facts based on

982
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,519
the physical evidence. The evidence was a dead man slaughtered

983
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,760
by sword and an assailant with a giant defensive wound

984
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,480
on his hand.

985
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 7: You said he fell on his sword. He had the sword.

986
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: I gave it to him, okay, when I said, look,

987
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,559
he's not going to ease it on me and you

988
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,559
or here, and I'll turn my back on him and West.

989
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,199
I don't know if he ran after me or what.

990
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,719
I don't know what happened. See, That's what I'm talking about.

991
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:54,079
Speaker 1: Hope.

992
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,079
Speaker 4: You know your journal and when someone when your.

993
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 7: Life is threatened.

994
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 3: You're going to react, but you don't remember exactly late

995
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,320
how you do what you do, but you're alive, makes

996
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,239
you're fighting for your life.

997
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,039
Speaker 6: How annoying is this guy? I mean, why why?

998
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 7: Why?

999
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 6: Why is he out on the street? Oh yeah, Karen,

1000
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,519
and are virtue signaling out of sight, out of mind?

1001
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:16,119
Speaker 7: Ain't that right?

1002
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 6: Karen?

1003
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,639
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be murdered in my sleep by then?

1004
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:19,519
Speaker 1: How are you?

1005
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 7: How are you fighting for your life?

1006
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 4: But where I just told you a lot?

1007
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:24,119
Speaker 1: Right?

1008
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm consistently when i'm when I get stressed out,

1009
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,559
I began to wait internally because all an injury happened

1010
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,039
twenty two or three years ago. I was swept all

1011
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:39,480
light mean and told and you're clausing it to hemorrhoids

1012
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:40,559
and it's internally building.

1013
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 4: Now, that's not good.

1014
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,639
Speaker 6: This guy thinks his hemorrhoids were caused by lightning. Lightning.

1015
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you're you're you're in a miscondo.

1016
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,079
Speaker 1: You're talking.

1017
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,199
Speaker 3: You don't understand, you're in your handhead by baba intent.

1018
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,400
That is criminal And it wasn't ill will against me

1019
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,159
because what it have to do, I wasn't what could

1020
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,679
be exactly do your appear anything and everything he could

1021
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,239
to suade me from other than a heterosexual being a homosexual.

1022
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:10,719
Speaker 4: Body or ing whage the things.

1023
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: He didn't walk out, and he's exposes in Italian you're

1024
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,480
anate right in front of me. I want to ask please,

1025
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,320
as many times I ask him, he never respected. West

1026
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,119
said that please do not wear we wall. I expose

1027
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:24,400
you're urinate.

1028
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 4: He does. If I'll never respect anything in.

1029
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,679
Speaker 7: The woods, right, you go deeper in the woods.

1030
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,079
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1031
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,719
Speaker 3: I don't obsess myself with any kind of sensaire de man,

1032
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,280
especially when it this is Thomas sense at.

1033
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 6: How passive is this cop? Yeah, I know I'm bitching

1034
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,239
a lot, but my God slapped the cuffs on him already.

1035
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:47,480
I mean, I'm all for due process and it's off defense.

1036
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:51,519
But perhaps maybe mister Garrison here is better suited for

1037
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:56,280
a career track in botany rather than law enforcement. I mean, Jesus, man,

1038
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,599
grow some assertiveness. This unassertive detective was not going to

1039
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,760
get a straight answer about anything, not mumbling the way

1040
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,079
he was anyway. Chris said that Dave had tried to

1041
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:11,679
rape him and was making sexual remarks, but the truth

1042
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,639
about how the sword was passed between these two men

1043
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,400
was unclear, and without a witness we saw every inch

1044
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,639
of that murder, there was no real way to figure

1045
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:27,280
out what exactly happened. Then Chris said this about Dave,

1046
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,440
which mirrored exactly what Tasha had told the detectives. She

1047
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,400
and other women felt, I know, and okay.

1048
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,199
Speaker 3: You ever feel when you when you can turn her

1049
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,000
back on someone because they feel like they're looking over

1050
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:39,519
your should or a girl they.

1051
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 4: Want that sport, you can feel her that stuff.

1052
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,119
Speaker 7: That's what's going on.

1053
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 14: My role by one of the people of that when

1054
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,639
women see him, they may they are on the back

1055
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:48,800
of your neck, stand.

1056
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,679
Speaker 7: Out there, okay, And that's when you want to back away.

1057
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,880
And so that's why I never spoke.

1058
00:59:56,199 --> 00:59:59,639
Speaker 3: When he swung the swords, and I don't know what

1059
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:01,039
happen because the sword's air in.

1060
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: My hand.

1061
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,679
Speaker 9: How do you get the sword? You already said that

1062
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,159
you took it back from him. You said he swung

1063
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:07,440
at you.

1064
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: So when someone's trying to kill you, you're adrenaline doesn't

1065
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,119
allow you to decipher every critical fact.

1066
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: But they never got confused.

1067
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 9: You never ate the sword, give my sword, you said

1068
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,440
you didn't you said, you tried to give it to him,

1069
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,440
and then you took it back, and then from that

1070
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,199
point on you've never said that you gave me back

1071
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:26,599
the sword.

1072
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to complicate this, it's simple.

1073
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 9: Would just be truthful, That's all I asked. Be truthful,

1074
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,639
don't try it doesn't be competent. You got accept responsibility

1075
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:36,440
for your actions. You understand that you're a grown man.

1076
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,159
Now I'll defend him, I said, okay, how you have

1077
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,440
a sword? How are you defending yourself? It's your sword

1078
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,199
and running after him? We're running after him a sortance.

1079
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: I gave it back to him.

1080
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,039
Speaker 6: Chris couldn't remember who had the sword first, or how

1081
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:53,440
it all unfolded. Maybe adrenaline and mental illness blurred all

1082
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,719
the details. His life had always been driven by fight

1083
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,960
or flight instincts. How could you really, I believe recount

1084
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:04,239
events when he lived each day assuming the world was

1085
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,840
against him. But what he did explain was that ever

1086
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,079
since Dave had started coming around the camp, he had

1087
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:15,039
been making sexual advances towards Chris, and then it finally

1088
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,119
hit a breaking point. The officer wanted to know why

1089
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,760
Chris didn't just pack up and leave his answer was simple.

1090
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,360
I was here first. He said, yes, Chris adlone Dave

1091
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,360
the sword. That much was true. But when they got

1092
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,719
in that scuffle down on the tracks, Dave swung at

1093
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,079
him with the blade and Chris lost it.

1094
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,079
Speaker 3: I don't know whether it was the blade, his face

1095
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,719
or both. Look, once I was threatened, once he swung.

1096
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:48,039
Speaker 4: At me, that was it. I knew they intended.

1097
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,039
Speaker 7: It's oord. Where were you when he spent it?

1098
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: Further, I mean bet winging the tents, your name of

1099
01:01:58,039 --> 01:01:58,639
my key?

1100
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: How did you get that to her attorney? Would you?

1101
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,119
Speaker 6: But why why would Chris give someone who he deemed

1102
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:14,599
a sexual menace a sword? Was he ever really playing

1103
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:15,360
with a full deck?

1104
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: Little David?

1105
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,159
Speaker 7: You have not told me to deal with you. You

1106
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,119
saving what justifications you've had to use a sword on?

1107
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: Say?

1108
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,519
Speaker 4: You said don't anger? You will say that again? You

1109
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:27,039
were not there, so and I did not tell you

1110
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:27,760
that's what happened.

1111
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 7: So you all, I know he's dead. You know it's

1112
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:31,960
your sword, and you're injured.

1113
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 9: To clink the sword put you and you have David

1114
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,880
blood on, you have dag blood probably an atten.

1115
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't ask to ask you a questions. I mean

1116
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,239
you're asking all these questions. I'm asking you one question

1117
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,320
you have. Are you a homosexual?

1118
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 7: Doesn't matter? Okay, that's what I hear.

1119
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: If you are, you know what, it doesn't matter to

1120
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,480
me these questions you ask me anymore, and I don't

1121
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:51,639
mean it in disrespect.

1122
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:52,119
Speaker 1: Fine.

1123
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 4: If you wasn't answer yet, have nothing to say and

1124
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:55,400
I will not answer.

1125
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,119
Speaker 3: I want my attorney, then paramouch and you're a detective Oliver, Yes, okay, I'm.

1126
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,679
Speaker 7: Sending your pat you don't want you want to?

1127
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: Well, I can also have you take any custody.

1128
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: I told the United States Department of Justice and the

1129
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,639
United States Department of Defense. Wonder why this went on

1130
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:11,679
for twenty five years. Why they didn't serve I death

1131
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,920
wanted their self and execute him. I do not know,

1132
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:16,920
but I do not have to disclose and hit more

1133
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,960
information to you. Hold on, so you should respect that

1134
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,760
it because as a man, I respect you and your profession.

1135
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: Goodbye.

1136
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:28,079
Speaker 6: This guy's got a real problem with gays anyway. Why

1137
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,719
does he talk like Eugene Porter from the Walking Debt?

1138
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,119
Speaker 4: Take do you know what goodbye means?

1139
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: You still didn't answer, by I don't want to the

1140
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:43,960
Jurisdiction anymore, remove yourself from poll eas County fourth week.

1141
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: You think I'm a kidding.

1142
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 4: Were dismissed? Relieve have you said it a dozen times?

1143
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 7: Don't speak to.

1144
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,239
Speaker 4: Me anymore.

1145
01:03:58,119 --> 01:03:58,679
Speaker 7: If you feel like.

1146
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: Talking again to rouse may aggravate me and cause internal

1147
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:02,960
bleeding again.

1148
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:03,639
Speaker 7: Lead inside.

1149
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,079
Speaker 4: I'm bleeding in the neck, end of chest now thanks

1150
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:07,119
to you the portrait cook.

1151
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 7: Do you understand plain English? If you understand, yes, No.

1152
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:11,559
Speaker 1: People come to sleep.

1153
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 4: It happen to maly more job, we'll.

1154
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:15,239
Speaker 7: Be putting a little bit more allowed it. I don't

1155
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,320
want to hurt you. Can you go in and you

1156
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,360
already did, can be moving any further? People, I don't

1157
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,239
want to hurt you, right, I'm serious.

1158
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't want to hurt you.

1159
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,519
Speaker 7: Be and leave and let her do her job.

1160
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,599
Speaker 6: That's when Chris turned away and let the female officer

1161
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:29,599
put him in the squad car. He was done talking.

1162
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,880
He was done trying to explain what had happened. The

1163
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,480
stress had caused him quote unquote internal bleeding from his

1164
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:43,320
previous injuries. How exhausting are these nuts? I mean, I

1165
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:46,440
know how our audience just loves to be perceived as compassionate,

1166
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,559
But at what point are you willing to admit what

1167
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,880
a drain on society these people are. They provide nothing,

1168
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:59,039
not a single benefit whatsoever to society, yet they demand

1169
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:04,119
everything from it. It's just so insanely tiring. Crazy people

1170
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:06,519
can just they can just drive you crazy. You know,

1171
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,599
it's contagious. There isn't a lot of great data on

1172
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,559
homelessness and crime, but according to Devon from the Cistero Institute,

1173
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,760
AI is slowly helping us get there. If it were me,

1174
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,920
a simple avatar would do.

1175
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 7: All the work.

1176
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,039
Speaker 6: Slap chop it, I say, but that's why I'm never

1177
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:31,239
getting elected anyway. Here's Devon arguing that statistics don't always

1178
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,920
match the cultural narrative.

1179
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,719
Speaker 19: But in terms of heart data, the best we have

1180
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,920
is a report from San Diego District Attorney's office that

1181
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,800
did an analysis They re leased it two years ago

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on almost diess and crime, and they found that un

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sheltered homeless people to those people who were living on

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the street, were hundreds of times as likely to commit crimes.

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Speaker 4: Like arson, robbery, etc.

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Speaker 19: And they were dozens of is likely to be victims

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of similar crimes including homicide, sexual assault, robbery, etc. So

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what we're seeing is the case that you described. If

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two homeless people getting into a anti social spiral ultimately

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an interaction that led to one of them killing the other,

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that is the majority of the violence that we're seeing

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in homeless encampments. There's this rhetoric by activists that's, oh,

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people are coming into these humblest encampments and they're robbing

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them and taking advantage of them. Well, those people tend

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to be other homeless people.

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Speaker 6: The narrative around homelessness has long been rooted in the

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idea that housing is a human right. What a dumb idea. Obviously,

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some karen came up with that. Who's never had to

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compete for limited resources? Somebody actually has to pay for it.

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Oh so I get to work twice as hard to

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subsidize someone else's generator based business arrangement. Okay, sure, but

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that better mean we put all these people in a

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locked facility and never let them out. I mean, would

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housing alone have helped someone like Dave or Chris? Giving

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Dave a bed wouldn't have stopped him from sexually assaulting people.

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Maybe a temporary shelter might have limited Chris's stockpile of

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weapons and kept it from growing into the unregulated arsenal

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it became, but both were deeply disturbed individuals, misfits with

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serious mental health issues. They needed more than a roof

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over their heads. Sure, others at the camp would have

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gladly taken housing, but are they representative of the unsheltered

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population at large. I mean, we don't really know. The

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data just isn't there. It's hard to track a population

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and constant motion, both by nature and by necessity or illness.

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Then there's the darker question no one actually wants to ask,

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do we even care that Dave was murdered? I'll be honest.

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I don't think I even need to be honest. You

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might actually be able to guess what I'm gonna say.

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The question is, will you be honest, Karen? How much

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do you actually care past the virtue signaling tweet or

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the dollar you handed to that stinky man outside the

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Starbucks so he'd leave you alone. Until the Karens of

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the world with the ability to vote start being honest

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with themselves, actual tangible solutions that don't involve rotating blades

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will continue to remain out of reach. Dave Beckett was

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anknown sexual predator with the public New was only the

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tip of a likely much uglier Iceberg. Did Chris, in

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his own twisted way, do society a favor. Don't you

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dare roll your eyes, Karen, because ultimately, whose job is

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it to manage adults who are incapable of managing themselves?

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Christ and Dave weren't just homeless. They were rejected by

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their families, shunned by their peers, even outcasts within the

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homeless community itself. The sad truth is that most people

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living on the streets aren't victims of circumstance. It's a

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great story to tell, and it keeps getting perpetuated by media,

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But those people put themselves there through their own actions.

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That may not be true all over the world, but

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here in America, the land of opportunity, you have no

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excuse for ending up homeless unless you want to, not

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permanently anyway. That's just an uncomfortable fact that Karens who

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want to feel good about being lazy and shitty to

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everyone around them refuse to accept. Why demand accountability when

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you can just virtue signal feel good about yourself. The

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humans in this camp and many others like it, were

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pushed so far to the margins. The only people left

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to deal with them were each other, and this time

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it ended in murder. So the question lnkers, if society

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had stepped in sooner, not just with housing, but with

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real accountability instead of virtue signaling, would Dave still be alive?

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I think you probably already know the answer to that. Well,

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I'm going to get a lot of hate mail this week.

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It's a good thing. I don't read any of it.

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As a matter of fact. Why do I even have

1254
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an email address? Haven't gotten anything other than Nigerian scammers

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and carts for the last ten years. Way that's gonna

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do it for another one of these silly murder shows

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you guys seem to love for some reason. I hope

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you enjoyed that one. We'll be back before you know it,

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probably over the weekend with another one. They just keep happening, folks.

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People are shit. Speaking of which, head on over to

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so check it out if you haven't in a while.

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And I think that's gonna do it. That's my sales pitch.

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Thanks again for joining us, Thanks for being a plus member.

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If you are, we love you guys. Well, I don't

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love anyone other than myself because I'm a narcissist.

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Speaker 7: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you so just our staff. Oh I almost forgot.

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This episode was written by Miss Barbara Way, one of

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our producers here that's been with us for a long time.

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She's great. That's gonna do it. Thanks again. Until next time,

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stay safe and stay out of the homeless camps.

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Speaker 1: B