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<v Speaker 1>Well, you provide the show with depth.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin worship join us Wednesdays.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I had a great time listening to your show

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<v Speaker 3>on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know as much as we d around in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about kids, I really enjoyed it. It was it

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<v Speaker 3>was a lot of information, a lot of succinctly put information,

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<v Speaker 3>and I learned a lot and I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was entertaining as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You can make fun of me for crying, by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>I can. I could take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I cried to hear the whole thing. You cry, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Cry, Sweet Jesus, the change in her face like she

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to take back everything. At the top of the

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<v Speaker 4>second hour, I got emotional because I had a trust

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<v Speaker 4>attorney on giving people advice on a state planning and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>and so reliving.

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<v Speaker 2>The loss of my father that I don't at least say,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't care, like you're the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Dad's dead. It's not over your crying stepfather

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, trust me, this is how much again you

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<v Speaker 4>guys pop into my head like Jimmy Crickets of radio

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<v Speaker 4>in that I'm leaving the building, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>how is that show, and then I immediately the two

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<v Speaker 4>of you like pop up on my shoulder, go you

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<v Speaker 4>cried your little baby.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>You think that if I heard you crying on the radio,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have led with that like, oh yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>was going on there?

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I said it because I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted you to know that if it ever came.

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<v Speaker 4>Up, then I could take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I could take it.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, I think it went well. Honestly, you can

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<v Speaker 4>do it again this week. This Sunday is the last day,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they decide if they want to give it

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<v Speaker 4>to me or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, gosh, that's like that's a sudden death.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of pressure, guys, Hey, don't cry.

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<v Speaker 4>This just wisdom from.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of broadcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>You want us to come in and just throw crap

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<v Speaker 3>at you so you don't cry?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I mean, this is like fourth quarter and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't thrive this kind of pressure. I'm not a closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Prior. Well, let's get personally here. Do you have ADHD?

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<v Speaker 4>I do not, as far as I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Aware anybody who does. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of why I wanted to bring this in is

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<v Speaker 4>because there's so much information here that I think, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it necessarily is saying that people who are

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<v Speaker 4>saying they have ADHD don't. But what the biggest thing

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<v Speaker 4>that left out to me was that the expert who

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like pioneered the research in this, he felt

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<v Speaker 4>like a three percent threshold of diagnosis for our country

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<v Speaker 4>was fair, and in nineteen I think it was ninety

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<v Speaker 4>seven that jumped up to six percent or five and

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<v Speaker 4>a half percent. In two thousand it was six point

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<v Speaker 4>six percent, and then today it's at let me see,

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<v Speaker 4>eleven point four percent of Americans are diagnosed with ADHD.

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<v Speaker 4>And what's interesting too, is that he was researching the

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<v Speaker 4>benefits of using ridlin, which is essentially an amphetamine, and

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<v Speaker 4>they use that to treat ADHD, and so they did

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<v Speaker 4>studies to compare it versus behavioral therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>And riddlin and Riddlin mop the floor.

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<v Speaker 4>With behavioral therapy as far as it's effect on people

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<v Speaker 4>with ADHD. Until you get to thirty six months. After

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<v Speaker 4>three years, there is virtually no difference in the modification

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<v Speaker 4>of behavior between somebody who was on riddling and somebody

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<v Speaker 4>who's getting behavior even.

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<v Speaker 5>After having used it for for thirty six months. You like,

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<v Speaker 5>after you're three years old, you can't you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Use it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But beforehead hop them, go for it, burn them, take

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<v Speaker 2>all you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So, but the the idea of and we saw this,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not the it's not an exact correlation. We saw

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<v Speaker 5>this with the discussion about autism and autism the increased

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<v Speaker 5>rates of autism. Is it because we're diagnosing it now

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<v Speaker 5>better or more than we were thirty forty years ago?

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<v Speaker 5>Where is where do we stand with that?

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to EIGHTYHD.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like it again, like you already said, very

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<v Speaker 4>very different circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's interesting to me is they use.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine different categories in two different in two different characters.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's nine categories for inattentiveness and then there's nine

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<v Speaker 4>categories for just behavioral issues or impulsiveness. And all you

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<v Speaker 4>have to do is get sick. So that's eighteen total.

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<v Speaker 4>You just have to have six from any category and

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<v Speaker 4>you are diagnosed with ADHD. So not a doctor, but

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<v Speaker 4>just doing some basics. He's pointing at someone in the

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<v Speaker 4>room that is not me. If that's helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the difference between ADHD and easily distracted.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be some crossover there. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of.

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<v Speaker 4>The conversation we're having, right Like, just like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>on love on the Spectrum, there is a woman on

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<v Speaker 4>there who said that she is on the spectrum, but

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<v Speaker 4>she is not what like I'll say myself, not what

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<v Speaker 4>a dumb person who has knows very little about about.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not talking about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think of her as a rapist. She is

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<v Speaker 4>an empowered woman who wants to have sex, and that

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<v Speaker 4>as well she should. How she's an adult as long

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<v Speaker 4>as she could find somebody. Take the shovel out of

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<v Speaker 4>my hand, please carry anything at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, and you're in sudden death zone and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just laying the mass.

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<v Speaker 1>I take back to that comment and I will move on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's alarious.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, I wish I had more of an answer

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<v Speaker 4>for that question other than the experts are saying in

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<v Speaker 4>writing that they believe it is over diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, because it was underdiagnosed for so long.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my mother and her brother definitely had ADHD

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<v Speaker 3>or have it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dead, she's alive. But like the just the level

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<v Speaker 1>of like.

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<v Speaker 3>Things going on and you know, getting easily distracted and

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<v Speaker 3>all of that, like all over the place, energy and

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<v Speaker 3>all the things. But they didn't diagnose women for so long.

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<v Speaker 3>With this is another thing. It's it's still wildly underdiagnosed

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to women because they think of it

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<v Speaker 3>as a little boy problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>The little girls are supposed to just seen and not heard,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you've got all your crazy stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 2>In your brain. Is this also a geographical problem?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well we saw that with autism where there

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<v Speaker 3>were pockets of it, right. You saw it like in

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<v Speaker 3>the South, the rich areas or as being diagnosed because

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<v Speaker 3>these were parents who were like, I think there's something

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<v Speaker 3>whatever specialist and get this diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>But I want to know, because you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 5>behavioral therapy that that as a as a way to

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<v Speaker 5>treat adhd add and adhd And I'd be curious if

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<v Speaker 5>if a kid had something to do on a regular basis, job, chore, lot, whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>you've got to get yourself ready for school, parents aren't

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<v Speaker 5>is does any of that change.

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<v Speaker 4>The likelihood of a diagnose. So what later on two

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<v Speaker 4>things that I think are interesting. Once a child or

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<v Speaker 4>a person has been on Riddlin for thirty six months,

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<v Speaker 4>they did research and you're more likely to be at

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<v Speaker 4>least an inch shorter or about at most an inch

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<v Speaker 4>shorter than other people who are not taking Riddlin, which

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<v Speaker 4>was interesting as well. But then at the very end

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<v Speaker 4>of the article, the doctor says that the biggest help

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<v Speaker 4>has more to do with their circle of friends as

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<v Speaker 4>they get older than any other treatment. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>can get them around a peer group that I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately they don't expand on it, but based on the

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<v Speaker 4>multiple psychologists stuff I talked to on the podcast back

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<v Speaker 4>in the day, I think what they're saying is is

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<v Speaker 4>that if you could get them in a supportive environment,

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<v Speaker 4>but that one that isn't necessarily enabling or making excuses

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<v Speaker 4>for them, but kind of can gently push them to

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<v Speaker 4>get better, that they will thrive.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting because you could do that same thing when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to emotions, Yeah, talked about before, like dealing with

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<v Speaker 5>your emotions, Yeah, as opposed to claiming anxiety and then

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<v Speaker 5>allowing yourself to shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>Worsham joins us.

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<v Speaker 6>We talk about the children talk about the children, which true,

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<v Speaker 6>we're talking about anxiety actually just before the break there

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<v Speaker 6>and some new science studies anxious children.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the kind of parent that would raise an

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<v Speaker 2>anxious child.

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<v Speaker 4>They serve us this back at twenty fifteen, they surveyed

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<v Speaker 4>nine hundred paternal and fraternal and identical twins who had children,

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<v Speaker 4>and what they were trying to do is to use

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<v Speaker 4>this as a way to figure out if anxiety is

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<v Speaker 4>more nature or nurture, right, so is it genetically passed on?

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<v Speaker 4>And what they found, in short is that the child

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<v Speaker 4>of the twin had more in common with their parents

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<v Speaker 4>than they did the parents twin. Does that make sense, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>The part that doesn't make sense to me is that

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<v Speaker 4>it's not accounting for whoever the other parents' biological contribution

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<v Speaker 2>But you're missing Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Because if mom's the anxious one, and you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the two dads, or you've got the brothers that are twins,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that one of the twins hooks up with

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<v Speaker 3>an anxious woman, they have a kid that pops out,

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<v Speaker 3>and the kid's anxious, dad's not anxious.

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<v Speaker 4>And they did some digger, deeping, deeper, digging into it

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<v Speaker 4>and they found that. They called it negative behavior, negative

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<v Speaker 4>parenting behaviors, And what they were saying is that this

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<v Speaker 4>would be an example of a parent actually inducing anxiety

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<v Speaker 4>because they feel it, and so this is that thing

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<v Speaker 4>of But it kind of supports their premise is that

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<v Speaker 4>where they think anxiety really comes from is the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>And for me personally, I would go back to the pandemic. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>My kids were not impacted at all. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>saying I did it right. I'm not saying them did

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<v Speaker 4>it better. That's not my point. My point is it's

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<v Speaker 4>just they didn't. They weren't anxious about it. It didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really affect them academically other than what it would have

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<v Speaker 4>affected anybody to not be in a classroom. But socially

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<v Speaker 4>it didn't affect them. But I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people who their kids were heavily impacted. But I also

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<v Speaker 4>feel that they were also impacted.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So if you're if they would they were in

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<v Speaker 5>many ways, or we've said in many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll take your cues.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, how you handle a situation is how they would

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<v Speaker 5>handle a situation.

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<v Speaker 4>And a survey basically supports that.

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<v Speaker 5>And we've said this before, like it's important for me

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<v Speaker 5>if I'm ever at a restaurant, or we were at

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<v Speaker 2>Happen very often because they're kids, you know, want to

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<v Speaker 5>But it was always to show respects to the people

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<v Speaker 5>or whoever it was, and the people deliver your food.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll always say thank you to them.

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<v Speaker 5>Tried to impress our kids by tipping well and things

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<v Speaker 5>like that that you just take your cues in those

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<v Speaker 5>types of environments, but also those higher stress environments. How

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<v Speaker 5>does mom handle it when the bills are due, or

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<v Speaker 5>on the softball field for being a loser.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the takeaway from this is that my

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<v Speaker 4>intent Obviously, I'm a guy who cries. I'm very emotional,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think when it comes to worrying, for lack

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<v Speaker 4>of a better way of putting it, that's just not

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<v Speaker 4>my thing, right so, but that my kids are probably

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<v Speaker 4>a more either that or they're overcrecting the other way, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be a big baby like my father,

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<v Speaker 4>because I definitely cry more than anyone in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, right, But.

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<v Speaker 5>I again, I I just I'm not thinking as much

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<v Speaker 5>as I talk crap about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very it shows a lot of strength.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know if it's just strength does I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not comfortable with that. I'm with you, Gary, Yeah, carry's

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<v Speaker 4>thinking of me. I'm not. I'm not trying to pretend

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm strong.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just cry in front of his children.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think what I what. The big takeaway in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually talked about this with my therapist earlier, was

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<v Speaker 4>together and he always was like there was As a teenager,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I just wish this guy would be

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<v Speaker 4>wrong once right. And as I've gotten older, I've seen that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he had flaws, he had weaknesses. He's a guy, and

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<v Speaker 4>so I've decided to just be more transparent with my

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<v Speaker 4>weaknesses with my kids in case maybe that helps them

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<v Speaker 4>to grow up and not feel not that Again, I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a victim of anything. I'm just saying that if

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<v Speaker 4>there's some way that I can prove on what I

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<v Speaker 4>think my father did an amazing job as a father.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just trying to make it a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's part of the reason. Also, because I can't

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<v Speaker 4>really control it.

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<v Speaker 1>How much to pay this therapist.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It comes out of my interests.

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<v Speaker 3>Want you want to stick around for another hour, Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll take them moo.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really going to help me with my Sunday audition

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<v Speaker 4>chant and if also let you do psychoanalyze me for

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<v Speaker 4>an hour to forget about what's going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing I want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Have before we leave, though, that I thought was interesting

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<v Speaker 4>is there was also examples within this data that parents

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<v Speaker 4>could pick up anxiety from their children. Really yeah, that

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<v Speaker 4>it works in the reverse as well, that if you

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<v Speaker 4>makes sense because you're naturally going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Fear more anxious.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see you being anxious about your kids anxieties

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<v Speaker 3>exactly your own, but feeling like kind of on pins

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<v Speaker 3>and needles, like are they going to have another episode

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I was very Mike's older son was a

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<v Speaker 4>very anxious young man. Now he is not. Now she

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<v Speaker 4>was a little boring.

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<v Speaker 2>He's definitely over grade confidence. All right, good for Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday from two to four, two to four, last day,

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<v Speaker 2>tune in or find the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you find out?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? Is this like cheerleading trials? Like you go to

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<v Speaker 3>the girl's chin and there's a list. There's a list

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<v Speaker 3>at noon, and you find out the next day.

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<v Speaker 4>There it is. Two people who've worked in radio for

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<v Speaker 4>decades longer than I am are asking me how this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I have no clue.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't tell me that part.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, we're cheering for you. I hope I

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<v Speaker 2>get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want a cool radio firing story where I

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<v Speaker 4>come in and my badge doesn't work or something one

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<v Speaker 4>of those I didn't get that.

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<v Speaker 1>I see you going down in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire in the studio door, and you're not a.

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<v Speaker 1>Quietly the key card guy.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks the b