Speaker 1: Well, you provide the show with depth.
Speaker 2: Justin worship join us Wednesdays.
Speaker 3: Hey, I had a great time listening to your show
Speaker 3: on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know as much as we d around in here.
Speaker 3: Talking about kids, I really enjoyed it. It was it
Speaker 3: was a lot of information, a lot of succinctly put information,
Speaker 3: and I learned a lot and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It was entertaining as well.
Speaker 4: You can make fun of me for crying, by the way,
Speaker 4: I can. I could take it.
Speaker 1: I cried to hear the whole thing. You cry, I.
Speaker 4: Cry, Sweet Jesus, the change in her face like she
Speaker 4: wanted to take back everything. At the top of the
Speaker 4: second hour, I got emotional because I had a trust
Speaker 4: attorney on giving people advice on a state planning and uh,
Speaker 4: and so reliving.
Speaker 2: The loss of my father that I don't at least say,
Speaker 2: you don't care, like you're the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Dad's dead. It's not over your crying stepfather
Speaker 1: minutes ago.
Speaker 4: I know, trust me, this is how much again you
Speaker 4: guys pop into my head like Jimmy Crickets of radio
Speaker 4: in that I'm leaving the building, and I was like,
Speaker 4: how is that show, and then I immediately the two
Speaker 4: of you like pop up on my shoulder, go you
Speaker 4: cried your little baby.
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3: You think that if I heard you crying on the radio,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have led with that like, oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: was going on there?
Speaker 4: That's why I said it because I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I wanted you to know that if it ever came.
Speaker 4: Up, then I could take it.
Speaker 2: Obviously I could take it.
Speaker 4: But no, I think it went well. Honestly, you can
Speaker 4: do it again this week. This Sunday is the last day,
Speaker 4: and then they decide if they want to give it
Speaker 4: to me or not.
Speaker 3: Really, gosh, that's like that's a sudden death.
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure, guys, Hey, don't cry.
Speaker 4: This just wisdom from.
Speaker 2: A couple of broadcasts.
Speaker 3: You want us to come in and just throw crap
Speaker 3: at you so you don't cry?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean, this is like fourth quarter and
Speaker 4: I don't thrive this kind of pressure. I'm not a closer.
Speaker 2: Prior. Well, let's get personally here. Do you have ADHD?
Speaker 4: I do not, as far as I'm.
Speaker 2: Aware anybody who does. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Part of why I wanted to bring this in is
Speaker 4: because there's so much information here that I think, I
Speaker 4: don't think it necessarily is saying that people who are
Speaker 4: saying they have ADHD don't. But what the biggest thing
Speaker 4: that left out to me was that the expert who
Speaker 4: kind of like pioneered the research in this, he felt
Speaker 4: like a three percent threshold of diagnosis for our country
Speaker 4: was fair, and in nineteen I think it was ninety
Speaker 4: seven that jumped up to six percent or five and
Speaker 4: a half percent. In two thousand it was six point
Speaker 4: six percent, and then today it's at let me see,
Speaker 4: eleven point four percent of Americans are diagnosed with ADHD.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting too, is that he was researching the
Speaker 4: benefits of using ridlin, which is essentially an amphetamine, and
Speaker 4: they use that to treat ADHD, and so they did
Speaker 4: studies to compare it versus behavioral therapy.
Speaker 2: And riddlin and Riddlin mop the floor.
Speaker 4: With behavioral therapy as far as it's effect on people
Speaker 4: with ADHD. Until you get to thirty six months. After
Speaker 4: three years, there is virtually no difference in the modification
Speaker 4: of behavior between somebody who was on riddling and somebody
Speaker 4: who's getting behavior even.
Speaker 5: After having used it for for thirty six months. You like,
Speaker 5: after you're three years old, you can't you can't.
Speaker 4: Use it anymore.
Speaker 2: But beforehead hop them, go for it, burn them, take
Speaker 2: all you want.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So, but the the idea of and we saw this,
Speaker 5: it's not the it's not an exact correlation. We saw
Speaker 5: this with the discussion about autism and autism the increased
Speaker 5: rates of autism. Is it because we're diagnosing it now
Speaker 5: better or more than we were thirty forty years ago?
Speaker 5: Where is where do we stand with that?
Speaker 2: When it comes to EIGHTYHD.
Speaker 4: It seems like it again, like you already said, very
Speaker 4: very different circumstances.
Speaker 2: Like what's interesting to me is they use.
Speaker 4: Nine different categories in two different in two different characters.
Speaker 4: So there's nine categories for inattentiveness and then there's nine
Speaker 4: categories for just behavioral issues or impulsiveness. And all you
Speaker 4: have to do is get sick. So that's eighteen total.
Speaker 4: You just have to have six from any category and
Speaker 4: you are diagnosed with ADHD. So not a doctor, but
Speaker 4: just doing some basics. He's pointing at someone in the
Speaker 4: room that is not me. If that's helpful.
Speaker 3: What's the difference between ADHD and easily distracted.
Speaker 2: There's got to be some crossover there. I think that's
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 4: The conversation we're having, right Like, just like you know,
Speaker 4: on love on the Spectrum, there is a woman on
Speaker 4: there who said that she is on the spectrum, but
Speaker 4: she is not what like I'll say myself, not what
Speaker 4: a dumb person who has knows very little about about.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 4: I don't think of her as a rapist. She is
Speaker 4: an empowered woman who wants to have sex, and that
Speaker 4: as well she should. How she's an adult as long
Speaker 4: as she could find somebody. Take the shovel out of
Speaker 4: my hand, please carry anything at all.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and you're in sudden death zone and I'm
Speaker 3: just laying the mass.
Speaker 1: I take back to that comment and I will move on.
Speaker 2: That's alarious.
Speaker 4: So again, I wish I had more of an answer
Speaker 4: for that question other than the experts are saying in
Speaker 4: writing that they believe it is over diagnosed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because it was underdiagnosed for so long.
Speaker 3: I think my mother and her brother definitely had ADHD
Speaker 3: or have it.
Speaker 1: He's dead, she's alive. But like the just the level
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 3: Things going on and you know, getting easily distracted and
Speaker 3: all of that, like all over the place, energy and
Speaker 3: all the things. But they didn't diagnose women for so long.
Speaker 3: With this is another thing. It's it's still wildly underdiagnosed
Speaker 3: when it comes to women because they think of it
Speaker 3: as a little boy problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: The little girls are supposed to just seen and not heard,
Speaker 3: and then you've got all your crazy stuff going on.
Speaker 2: In your brain. Is this also a geographical problem?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, well we saw that with autism where there
Speaker 3: were pockets of it, right. You saw it like in
Speaker 3: the South, the rich areas or as being diagnosed because
Speaker 3: these were parents who were like, I think there's something
Speaker 3: going on and had the time and the extra money
Speaker 3: and the leisure to take their kid in and to
Speaker 3: whatever specialist and get this diagnosis.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I want to know, because you're talking about the
Speaker 5: behavioral therapy that that as a as a way to
Speaker 5: treat adhd add and adhd And I'd be curious if
Speaker 5: if a kid had something to do on a regular basis, job, chore, lot, whatever,
Speaker 5: you've got to get yourself ready for school, parents aren't
Speaker 5: is does any of that change.
Speaker 4: The likelihood of a diagnose. So what later on two
Speaker 4: things that I think are interesting. Once a child or
Speaker 4: a person has been on Riddlin for thirty six months,
Speaker 4: they did research and you're more likely to be at
Speaker 4: least an inch shorter or about at most an inch
Speaker 4: shorter than other people who are not taking Riddlin, which
Speaker 4: was interesting as well. But then at the very end
Speaker 4: of the article, the doctor says that the biggest help
Speaker 4: has more to do with their circle of friends as
Speaker 4: they get older than any other treatment. So if you
Speaker 4: can get them around a peer group that I'm guessing
Speaker 4: Unfortunately they don't expand on it, but based on the
Speaker 4: multiple psychologists stuff I talked to on the podcast back
Speaker 4: in the day, I think what they're saying is is
Speaker 4: that if you could get them in a supportive environment,
Speaker 4: but that one that isn't necessarily enabling or making excuses
Speaker 4: for them, but kind of can gently push them to
Speaker 4: get better, that they will thrive.
Speaker 5: Interesting because you could do that same thing when it
Speaker 5: comes to emotions, Yeah, talked about before, like dealing with
Speaker 5: your emotions, Yeah, as opposed to claiming anxiety and then
Speaker 5: allowing yourself to shut down.
Speaker 1: Worsham joins us.
Speaker 6: We talk about the children talk about the children, which true,
Speaker 6: we're talking about anxiety actually just before the break there
Speaker 6: and some new science studies anxious children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the kind of parent that would raise an
Speaker 2: anxious child.
Speaker 4: They serve us this back at twenty fifteen, they surveyed
Speaker 4: nine hundred paternal and fraternal and identical twins who had children,
Speaker 4: and what they were trying to do is to use
Speaker 4: this as a way to figure out if anxiety is
Speaker 4: more nature or nurture, right, so is it genetically passed on?
Speaker 4: And what they found, in short is that the child
Speaker 4: of the twin had more in common with their parents
Speaker 4: than they did the parents twin. Does that make sense, Yes,
Speaker 4: The part that doesn't make sense to me is that
Speaker 4: it's not accounting for whoever the other parents' biological contribution
Speaker 4: would be.
Speaker 2: But you're missing Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because if mom's the anxious one, and you've got
Speaker 3: the two dads, or you've got the brothers that are twins,
Speaker 3: and then that one of the twins hooks up with
Speaker 3: an anxious woman, they have a kid that pops out,
Speaker 3: and the kid's anxious, dad's not anxious.
Speaker 4: And they did some digger, deeping, deeper, digging into it
Speaker 4: and they found that. They called it negative behavior, negative
Speaker 4: parenting behaviors, And what they were saying is that this
Speaker 4: would be an example of a parent actually inducing anxiety
Speaker 4: because they feel it, and so this is that thing
Speaker 4: of But it kind of supports their premise is that
Speaker 4: where they think anxiety really comes from is the environment.
Speaker 4: And for me personally, I would go back to the pandemic. Right,
Speaker 4: My kids were not impacted at all. And I'm not
Speaker 4: saying I did it right. I'm not saying them did
Speaker 4: it better. That's not my point. My point is it's
Speaker 4: just they didn't. They weren't anxious about it. It didn't
Speaker 4: really affect them academically other than what it would have
Speaker 4: affected anybody to not be in a classroom. But socially
Speaker 4: it didn't affect them. But I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people who their kids were heavily impacted. But I also
Speaker 4: feel that they were also impacted.
Speaker 5: Right, So if you're if they would they were in
Speaker 5: many ways, or we've said in many ways.
Speaker 2: They'll take your cues.
Speaker 5: Yes, how you handle a situation is how they would
Speaker 5: handle a situation.
Speaker 4: And a survey basically supports that.
Speaker 5: And we've said this before, like it's important for me
Speaker 5: if I'm ever at a restaurant, or we were at
Speaker 5: restaurants with our kids, which didn't.
Speaker 2: Happen very often because they're kids, you know, want to
Speaker 2: take into a restaurant.
Speaker 5: But it was always to show respects to the people
Speaker 5: that were serving your you know, your waiters and waitresses
Speaker 5: or whoever it was, and the people deliver your food.
Speaker 2: You'll always say thank you to them.
Speaker 5: Tried to impress our kids by tipping well and things
Speaker 5: like that that you just take your cues in those
Speaker 5: types of environments, but also those higher stress environments. How
Speaker 5: does mom handle it when the bills are due, or
Speaker 5: how does dad handle it when he gets called out
Speaker 5: on the softball field for being a loser.
Speaker 4: And I think the takeaway from this is that my
Speaker 4: intent Obviously, I'm a guy who cries. I'm very emotional,
Speaker 4: but I think when it comes to worrying, for lack
Speaker 4: of a better way of putting it, that's just not
Speaker 4: my thing, right so, but that my kids are probably
Speaker 4: a more either that or they're overcrecting the other way, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a big baby like my father,
Speaker 4: because I definitely cry more than anyone in the house.
Speaker 2: I know, right, But.
Speaker 5: I again, I I just I'm not thinking as much
Speaker 5: as I talk crap about it.
Speaker 1: I think it's very it shows a lot of strength.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it's just strength does I'm
Speaker 4: not comfortable with that. I'm with you, Gary, Yeah, carry's
Speaker 4: thinking of me. I'm not. I'm not trying to pretend
Speaker 4: like I'm strong.
Speaker 1: I'm just cry in front of his children.
Speaker 4: But I think what I what. The big takeaway in fact,
Speaker 4: I actually talked about this with my therapist earlier, was
Speaker 4: that he pointed out to me that I when when
Speaker 4: thinking back on my father, my father always had it
Speaker 4: together and he always was like there was As a teenager,
Speaker 4: I was like, I just wish this guy would be
Speaker 4: wrong once right. And as I've gotten older, I've seen that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he had flaws, he had weaknesses. He's a guy, and
Speaker 4: so I've decided to just be more transparent with my
Speaker 4: weaknesses with my kids in case maybe that helps them
Speaker 4: to grow up and not feel not that Again, I
Speaker 4: wasn't a victim of anything. I'm just saying that if
Speaker 4: there's some way that I can prove on what I
Speaker 4: think my father did an amazing job as a father.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make it a little bit better.
Speaker 4: So that's part of the reason. Also, because I can't
Speaker 4: really control it.
Speaker 1: How much to pay this therapist.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It comes out of my interests.
Speaker 3: Want you want to stick around for another hour, Sure,
Speaker 3: we'll take them moo.
Speaker 4: That's really going to help me with my Sunday audition
Speaker 4: chant and if also let you do psychoanalyze me for
Speaker 4: an hour to forget about what's going on in the world.
Speaker 1: One thing I want to.
Speaker 4: Have before we leave, though, that I thought was interesting
Speaker 4: is there was also examples within this data that parents
Speaker 4: could pick up anxiety from their children. Really yeah, that
Speaker 4: it works in the reverse as well, that if you
Speaker 4: had a kid who was more anxious, which I think
Speaker 4: makes sense because you're naturally going to.
Speaker 1: Fear more anxious.
Speaker 3: I can see you being anxious about your kids anxieties
Speaker 3: exactly your own, but feeling like kind of on pins
Speaker 3: and needles, like are they going to have another episode
Speaker 3: or whatever kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was very Mike's older son was a
Speaker 4: very anxious young man. Now he is not. Now she
Speaker 4: was a little boring.
Speaker 2: He's definitely over grade confidence. All right, good for Justin
Speaker 2: Sunday from two to four, two to four, last day,
Speaker 2: tune in or find the podcast.
Speaker 1: So what do you find out?
Speaker 3: Like? Is this like cheerleading trials? Like you go to
Speaker 3: the girl's chin and there's a list. There's a list
Speaker 3: at noon, and you find out the next day.
Speaker 4: There it is. Two people who've worked in radio for
Speaker 4: decades longer than I am are asking me how this
Speaker 4: is going to go.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no clue.
Speaker 4: They didn't tell me that part.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're cheering for you. I hope I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 4: I just want a cool radio firing story where I
Speaker 4: come in and my badge doesn't work or something one
Speaker 4: of those I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: I see you going down in a.
Speaker 2: Fire in the studio door, and you're not a.
Speaker 1: Quietly the key card guy.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks the b