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Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Show. Pardon hi, Joe, how can I
Speaker 1: help you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, Hi?
Speaker 4: How are you? Lord?
Speaker 1: I am well limited off the radio.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, Lord, I'm in Talusden.
Speaker 5: I just have a quick question.
Speaker 3: I wish I could coin it because I've never heard anybody.
Speaker 5: Ask this question.
Speaker 3: But it is very very important.
Speaker 5: You are you know, you say that the Father God,
Speaker 5: he's our father. He loves us, respects us, he teaches us,
Speaker 5: he guides us all of these things, which I agree.
Speaker 5: Adam was God's father. I mean, Adam was God's son.
Speaker 3: He was also God's daughter. Why didn't he tell Adam, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm going to put you in a fire that's going
Speaker 3: to burn you forever and ever and ever. You're going
Speaker 3: to be burning for six thousand years or more if
Speaker 3: you leave from that. If this were baby, why didn't
Speaker 3: God tell him that? After that, he that tell us
Speaker 3: about the tame commandments, Hope, he sent prompts to pizza,
Speaker 3: hope until other stuff.
Speaker 5: That he forget to tell Shassan Adam to you know,
Speaker 5: to not eat.
Speaker 3: From the what the consequences would be he ate from
Speaker 3: the tree.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they would.
Speaker 6: There seems to be a phone problem, So I'm gonna
Speaker 6: let you listen to the answer off the air. He
Speaker 6: Mos certainly did. Everybody wants it to be a certain
Speaker 6: type of language or a certain set of words, but
Speaker 6: most most definitely Chapter three Genesis. Chapter three says, now
Speaker 6: the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the
Speaker 6: field which the Lord God had made. And he said
Speaker 6: to the woman, Indeed, as God said, you shall not
Speaker 6: eat from any tree of the garden. And the woman
Speaker 6: said to the serpent, from the fruit of the trees
Speaker 6: of the garden we may eat. But from the fruit
Speaker 6: of the tree which is in the middle of the garden.
Speaker 6: God has said, you shall not eat from it or
Speaker 6: touch it, lest you die. And the serpent said to
Speaker 6: a woman, you surely shall not die, for God knows
Speaker 6: that in that day you eat from it, your eyes
Speaker 6: will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing
Speaker 6: good and evil.
Speaker 1: So really God did.
Speaker 6: Now, maybe not in the same way, in the same
Speaker 6: source a sense that you would like, but there was
Speaker 6: enough information. As a matter of fact, it was equal
Speaker 6: information to what had been given by the serpent. It
Speaker 6: was enough information to fend off from the serpent. But
Speaker 6: it was an issue of will and desire, and that
Speaker 6: issue of will and desire superseded any admonition, and the
Speaker 6: woman and man ended up doing what they wanted to do.
Speaker 6: So if you're and your description of hell was a
Speaker 6: little off, but just for the sake of the main question,
Speaker 6: I will tell you that enough was given. And it
Speaker 6: seems you know, you don't break down the You know,
Speaker 6: on a molecular level, what takes place. When a child
Speaker 6: puts their hands over the stove. You just let them
Speaker 6: know that they'll be burned. You know, don't do that,
Speaker 6: You'll hurt yourself. That happens a lot too. The admonition
Speaker 6: is being such that the adult should be the authority
Speaker 6: in the life of the child in such a way
Speaker 6: that the child knows that by the mere speaking of
Speaker 6: it from the adult that it is worthy to be heard. Likewise,
Speaker 6: the mere speaking of an admonition by God, it doesn't
Speaker 6: have to go into depth or detail that it should
Speaker 6: be followed, just on that it was about obedience to God.
Speaker 6: It's not if God would have described everything that would
Speaker 6: take place during the separation of God and in Hell,
Speaker 6: that they would have gone Okay, well, wow, that consequence
Speaker 6: seems a little more. They're disobeying God by that very act.
Speaker 6: They know that it will separate them from God, and
Speaker 6: they still did it because something else looked a little
Speaker 6: more yummy at the time, something else looked a little
Speaker 6: more intriguing.
Speaker 1: They had plenty.
Speaker 6: There was no need to eat from this. It's not
Speaker 6: like they were hungry or starving for anything. That had
Speaker 6: everything they wanted in context. And this was merely a
Speaker 6: point of outright rebellion, and that's different. You can't rebellion
Speaker 6: is an act of rebellion. Rebellion is not an act
Speaker 6: weighing options and saying I wonderfray. It's just going the
Speaker 6: other way. And that's what's being described in Genesis. And
Speaker 6: nothing was going to change that. It wasn't a matter
Speaker 6: of oh, you didn't tell me, you know, that's the
Speaker 6: equivalent of doing something bad in stealing something and then
Speaker 6: saying you didn't tell me.
Speaker 1: You had video cameras and that's why I'm caught.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: It's not about that. Know, you weren't supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 6: You had enough information to know you shouldn't be doing it,
Speaker 6: and they did it anyways, that's an act of rebellion,
Speaker 6: completely different than just, you know, some.
Speaker 1: Point of ignorance. Marshall. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey,
Speaker 1: hi Marshall. How can I help you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Okay, in we were on, it's a whole nonsensical. I
Speaker 4: don't know. It makes no logical sense for there to
Speaker 4: be a supreme being. Okay, single creation, and I think
Speaker 4: it would be a lot easier to go through life
Speaker 4: with a knowing of something of that nature.
Speaker 1: But sure you could see how people would create it
Speaker 1: even if it didn't exist.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you could.
Speaker 1: See how someone would create it even if it didn't exist.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I hadn't thought about that, but yes,
Speaker 4: that that would make That would kind of follow my argument.
Speaker 4: I've done some research, taking many classes in religion, and
Speaker 4: the the values are wonderful and the principles are sound.
Speaker 6: Well, where where would you get Where would someone like
Speaker 6: yourself get get values and principles?
Speaker 4: Well, but I assumed starting with my parents and.
Speaker 1: Where'd they get them?
Speaker 4: But I would assume it went back further.
Speaker 6: Did you ever study something in your in your studies,
Speaker 6: did you ever study something called an infinite regression?
Speaker 4: Uh? Somehow that does not ring.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's a matter think about a chain link, a
Speaker 6: link of chains, and if you have to keep adding
Speaker 6: a link to that chain, it doesn't really answer the question.
Speaker 1: It just adds another question to it.
Speaker 6: Right, So in this case, uh, you have to keep
Speaker 6: adding to it by saying, well, I learned them from
Speaker 6: my parents.
Speaker 1: They learned them from their parents.
Speaker 6: Well, somehow, either whether you believe in creationism, which you don't,
Speaker 6: or evolution, those are the two major models. So somewhere
Speaker 6: along the line there had to be a beginning of
Speaker 6: these morals or ethics or principles. And I'm wondering where
Speaker 6: you think they came from.
Speaker 4: I think they came from necessity at the in the
Speaker 4: very early days of man trying to survive day in
Speaker 4: and day out. I think that it was a survival
Speaker 4: issue more so than a divine intervention.
Speaker 6: Or survival of who because I can't but couldn't the
Speaker 6: strongest species still invoke their own morals.
Speaker 4: Well on the less strong, well, I think that the
Speaker 4: animal kingdom does pretty good job of of having fairly
Speaker 4: fairly they're fairly moral.
Speaker 6: Well, no they're not. They're instinctual. There's a difference. They
Speaker 6: don't they don't. They do things based on strictly on
Speaker 6: survival and it has nothing to do with what they
Speaker 6: believe to be right or wrong.
Speaker 4: Okay I didn't. I wasn't saying they're sentient. I'm saying
Speaker 4: that the the instincts that of survival that it. Looking
Speaker 4: at the animal kingdom, they seem to be fairly moral choices.
Speaker 4: Be them instinctual.
Speaker 1: They eat, They eat their young, They eat one another.
Speaker 4: For a reason. Yeah, they don't do it just haphazardly.
Speaker 4: They eat they're young when the young aren't healthy enough
Speaker 4: to survive, or shouldn't be there, or there's too many. Okay,
Speaker 4: they don't do it just for fun.
Speaker 6: Well, no, because there is no such thing as fun.
Speaker 6: They don't have fun either.
Speaker 1: Yes, none of none of that takes takes the word choice.
Speaker 6: No, I understand what you're saying. I just I just
Speaker 6: want to make sure that that it's clear to everyone else.
Speaker 6: We're just up against the break, Marshall. But I'd love
Speaker 6: to talk.
Speaker 1: To you more. Can you hang on?
Speaker 4: I can if you'd like it.
Speaker 6: No, please, please please. Marshall was kind enough to hang
Speaker 6: on with us as we discuss the concept of God
Speaker 6: at all, the necessity of a god, the not the
Speaker 6: non necessity of a god talking about morals and ethics
Speaker 6: and the like. The animal kingdom does not have them.
Speaker 6: They're instinctual by nature. Why do you suppose that humans
Speaker 6: are not as instinctual as their sentience?
Speaker 1: That's it? Huh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And where do you think that comes from?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I just think we have
Speaker 4: a better communication system than the rest of the animal kingdom.
Speaker 4: It was inevitable. There'll be people who things in much
Speaker 4: more able to communicate and do things better than we
Speaker 4: will after we're gone. I mean, you know, we're just
Speaker 4: a little spec on that. On this planet, we're really
Speaker 4: not much at all.
Speaker 1: Sure, Why do you think a.
Speaker 4: Thousand years, I mean five thousand, maybe seven thousand years,
Speaker 4: we've been doing more than living instincts, you know.
Speaker 6: Sure? And why do you think that? Why do you
Speaker 6: think God is a myth? Why do you think the
Speaker 6: evolutionary model seems so intriguing to you or so sound?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess from the from the face it would
Speaker 4: be just the rationality of it.
Speaker 6: You know, it's wait a second, Marshall, you find it
Speaker 6: to be more rational that something came from nothing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it didn't come from nothing. It came from me.
Speaker 4: And if we want, you're talking about the entire I
Speaker 4: guess universe being created. All you're saying, yes, I have
Speaker 4: a problem with that as well. Yeah to say that
Speaker 4: the ban but I got a problem with that too.
Speaker 6: So that's but in science, Marshall, they did the the
Speaker 6: theme is always the cause is always greater than the effect.
Speaker 6: In the case of evolution, that gets thrown out the window.
Speaker 6: The effect is greater than the cause.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I'm not basing this purely on science. I'm
Speaker 4: just you know, I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 1: Oh everyone everyone's a science.
Speaker 4: That that's explained as well. So you know there's a
Speaker 4: but but let's think you were mentioning that you know
Speaker 4: there are actually two paths to heaven.
Speaker 6: Well not really, it was I was trying to focus.
Speaker 6: I was trying to make people see that there was
Speaker 6: truly only one path.
Speaker 4: But that there's I agree, and I understand that I'm
Speaker 4: merely saying that what kind of god that would father
Speaker 4: would need your blind fates, that needs that worship, just
Speaker 4: because you know, if you're doing the best you can,
Speaker 4: but you know, obviously you can't live to the standards
Speaker 4: that are set to get in alone. What turns God?
Speaker 4: What turn of being needs that adulation from its subjects.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the confusion. That's anthropomorphism. You are really trying
Speaker 6: to apply very human attribute. You're saying if a human
Speaker 6: sat on that chair and one of those things, that
Speaker 6: would be wrong. My argument would be that a human doesn't.
Speaker 6: So once again as this clock, this clock is a
Speaker 6: little bit of a pest. But I do want you
Speaker 6: to hold on, Marshall, So hang tight, because I think
Speaker 6: that you're bringing up very valid questions and I don't
Speaker 6: want to rush you off.
Speaker 1: So hang tight.
Speaker 6: Talking with Marshall, who's been kind to hang with us
Speaker 6: over the breaks as he wrestles with the concept of faith. Now,
Speaker 6: the thing you said at the very end, there is
Speaker 6: blind faith. There's no such thing as blind faith. As
Speaker 6: a matter of fact, if anybody has to apply blind faith,
Speaker 6: it's you, as an evolutionist you have to look at
Speaker 6: That's why they talk about things like the missing link.
Speaker 6: The fact is you're filling in those blanks with faith,
Speaker 6: and you're filling in the billions of years with faith
Speaker 6: because there's no way to really test that or to
Speaker 6: recreate what they refer to in science as a past
Speaker 6: singular event. So forensically you do the best you can
Speaker 6: to put pieces together. But there is no transitional fossils
Speaker 6: truly to show the as Darwin believed there would be.
Speaker 6: He said, one hundred years from now, we'll have, you know,
Speaker 6: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these fossils that will
Speaker 6: fill in these blanks. And there are no such thing,
Speaker 6: which is why certain discoveries get big news because people
Speaker 6: think they are and then they prove not to be.
Speaker 4: I don't need the fossils that you see it every day.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait for God.
Speaker 4: You started that process, you said that you don't need
Speaker 4: the evidence and got the whole thing rolling.
Speaker 1: Is Marshall, you do not.
Speaker 4: See whether they found those fossils. I don't see that
Speaker 4: as fate, Marshall.
Speaker 6: It is faith. And you do not see evolution. You
Speaker 6: see to adaptation. There's a difference. You cannot see evolution.
Speaker 4: I'll give you that.
Speaker 6: You see adaptation, and a lot of people confuse it
Speaker 6: because a lot of people don't understand the difference between
Speaker 6: general and special evolution, and they and they kind of think, well,
Speaker 6: it just sort of happened. But you take on faith
Speaker 6: you said you didn't need the proof. You see it now,
Speaker 6: I would say you can also see the hand of creation.
Speaker 6: Do you know what a topiary is.
Speaker 4: Marshall, a topiary, It's a plant.
Speaker 6: It's a shaped plant, right, yeah, Well you go to
Speaker 6: Disneyland and in front of in front of it's a
Speaker 6: small world, they have them shaped like dinosaurs and elephants
Speaker 6: and all this. Right, when you look at that, you
Speaker 6: know that it's an organic thing. It's a plant, But
Speaker 6: you know it didn't grow that way that someone with
Speaker 6: intelligence and design reached in and designed it to look
Speaker 6: like an.
Speaker 1: Elephant or a giraffe or what have you.
Speaker 6: There are many of those things throughout life that you
Speaker 6: could stare at that. I would argue to you that
Speaker 6: if you looked at them, they scream design.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 6: There is the complexity of man, the differences between the species,
Speaker 6: Yet the similarities speak more of a common creator or
Speaker 6: an artist than they do. Like if you saw three picassos,
Speaker 6: you'd say, yes, those are similar. I don't believe one
Speaker 6: evolved from the other. I believe on they all had
Speaker 6: the same creator.
Speaker 5: And the breaststrokes we were.
Speaker 4: In tid together in ways that it would be from
Speaker 4: the same artist, not a progression.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, it wouldn't be.
Speaker 6: You wouldn't say if I put this one painting in
Speaker 6: a room for a billion years, it'd become two paintings.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, biologically, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: problems scientifically with the model of evolution. Scientifically, biologically it
Speaker 6: is simpler for a cell to divide to multiply. The
Speaker 6: concept of love and motion and male female does not
Speaker 6: make sense in the evolutionary model. There is no reason
Speaker 6: why you have to have a mom and a dad.
Speaker 1: There's nothing.
Speaker 4: Ye, yes, sir, I'm not even that's really I'm not
Speaker 4: a specifically a strict evolutionist that I do believe that,
Speaker 4: but that's not I don't know something that's I'm concerned
Speaker 4: with as much as the leap of faith and something
Speaker 4: that I can't grasp as that that has any It
Speaker 4: just seems so bizarre. Wow, what does concept.
Speaker 6: Of that something came from something that that a creator created?
Speaker 6: That that seems bizarre when everything you see in this
Speaker 6: world that is created comes from a creator. Everything that
Speaker 6: is not a bizarre concept. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: everything that you've said, everything in the universe, Marsia, everything
Speaker 6: has to point outside itself to explain its existence everything.
Speaker 6: So why would it be so far a leap to
Speaker 6: say that the entire universe has to point outside itself
Speaker 6: to explain its existence, because.
Speaker 4: Why does I can't understand why they create a tour
Speaker 4: needs the acknowledgment.
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 6: Okay, excellent, You've brought us, you brought us back to
Speaker 6: the to the emotional question. But but this whole time
Speaker 6: you've you've seated it as if it was an intellectual problem,
Speaker 6: and it's not. This is an emotional problem for.
Speaker 4: Used individual who's intellectually diverse. And uh, and I'm very
Speaker 4: emotional and spiritual.
Speaker 1: Marshall, you are anything I'm not.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not some kind of scientist.
Speaker 1: There, No, you are. You are anything but confused, my friend.
Speaker 6: I love I love having you on because of the
Speaker 6: way you think there's I think you're going down a
Speaker 6: path that a lot of people do. But the the thing,
Speaker 6: it's not as bizarre as you think. What happens is
Speaker 6: people hear stuff or they misplace parts of the story
Speaker 6: and it seems odd. I'll give you that, but imagine
Speaker 6: it this way.
Speaker 1: Uh. Did you have a good relationship with your father?
Speaker 4: Yes? Did you tell my stepfather. Yes, okay, okay?
Speaker 1: And what did you call your stepfather? Did you call
Speaker 1: him father?
Speaker 4: I call him dad later on in okay?
Speaker 1: And why did you call him dad? Was that a
Speaker 1: sign of affection or reverence for his position in the family?
Speaker 4: That was respect? I don't know. I'm I was raised Southern.
Speaker 4: You know I respect my elders, and I respected him.
Speaker 1: As a human good for you, and that's a that's
Speaker 1: a good place to be. Now, what was he better
Speaker 1: than you?
Speaker 4: No? I don't I don't think so.
Speaker 1: You were respecting the position, right, Uh?
Speaker 4: He was. He was better at me at the time
Speaker 4: because he had been through more and conquered more.
Speaker 6: And and I don't know, well said you were respecting
Speaker 6: that his life experience and and who he was in
Speaker 6: your life. And if the president of the United States,
Speaker 6: whether you agree or disagree with the politics of any
Speaker 6: given president, you'd still resent respect the position, and and
Speaker 6: you would know that anything you did what's going on,
Speaker 6: I understand, but if you will, But my point being, Marshall,
Speaker 6: the most important part that I want to give to
Speaker 6: you is that you would would treat him differently than
Speaker 6: someone else because of that position. And and it's and
Speaker 6: when a judge walks in the room at a hearing pep,
Speaker 6: everyone stands up and they have to stand up, Okay,
Speaker 6: but now they and then they sit down.
Speaker 1: That is because of the position. Now, when God walks
Speaker 1: into a.
Speaker 6: Room, everything that you see, every everything you've ever tasted,
Speaker 6: every smell, every sense, every experience you've ever had, has
Speaker 6: come at the hand of His creation and all. And
Speaker 6: he asks not out of some sort of egotistical desire,
Speaker 6: but out of pure justice, that you respond accordingly.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: You have to respect gravity the same way everything. There
Speaker 6: are certain things that just are by the very nature
Speaker 6: of what they are, and if you don't respect them,
Speaker 6: you will die by them. If you don't respect gravity,
Speaker 6: if you don't respect fire, if you don't respect a
Speaker 6: loaded weapon. If you don't respect these things, they will
Speaker 6: kill you by the very nature of what they are
Speaker 6: and their power.
Speaker 1: Yes, God only asks for the respect that is justly
Speaker 1: should be justly given to him. That's it.
Speaker 4: And I under and I believe that if this is
Speaker 4: the case, I agree with that statement. But I don't
Speaker 4: except for the complexity of life in general, I've seen
Speaker 4: no proof the Bible and things were written after generations
Speaker 4: of storytelling before it was all written down.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're talking.
Speaker 4: Some of the earth impossible.
Speaker 1: No, some of the.
Speaker 6: Earliest writings, Marshall, are within seventy years of the happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's seventy years. Can
Speaker 4: you imagine? Yes, Okay, the changes happened to a story
Speaker 4: in seventy years when.
Speaker 1: It's written down, insane. No no, no, when it's written down,
Speaker 1: no changes. That's what the written.
Speaker 4: In seventy years after it happened.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, you're talking about the earliest writings that have
Speaker 6: been discovered.
Speaker 1: There's a difference.
Speaker 6: Do you know why the like the oldest man always
Speaker 6: jumps around and they say, oh, that life must have
Speaker 6: come from here, because this is the oldest bones we found. Well,
Speaker 6: that's because they find older bones. They find older bones.
Speaker 6: They say, no, now it's over here. That's that you
Speaker 6: can't ever say, well, this is the only when. When
Speaker 6: the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in the late forties,
Speaker 6: the discovery was such a big deal because of the
Speaker 6: fact that when they went through them, primarily you had
Speaker 6: the entire Book of Isaiah. Nothing had changed, nothing had changed,
Speaker 6: And this is the point you're talking about you wanted
Speaker 6: something to blow your mind, Marshal, Just the New Testament alone,
Speaker 6: twenty five thousand, whole and parts of the manuscripts. When
Speaker 6: you're talking about Homer's Iliad, you're talking about four hundred copies.
Speaker 6: When you're talking about Caesar's Gaelic Wars, you're talking about
Speaker 6: ten copies. These are twenty five thousand copies. There is
Speaker 6: no other work like this. There is no other way
Speaker 6: that you can look at these works of antiquity, which
Speaker 6: is why the Bible itself is the number one book
Speaker 6: of archaeologists on Diggs because of the fact that it is,
Speaker 6: it has been reliable. There is years ago, Marshall, they
Speaker 6: would mock the hit Tite nation in scripture because no
Speaker 6: one had discovered anything, and they said that it was
Speaker 6: a made up nation of people in scripture until archaeologic
Speaker 6: archaeological finds discovered that it was real people with a
Speaker 6: real language and a real place. So that's how science works,
Speaker 6: they continued. It doesn't exist until it exists, and scripture
Speaker 6: doesn't go back and forth. It's not just a game
Speaker 6: of telephone, because this game of telephone is a game
Speaker 6: of telephone recordings that you can look back on and
Speaker 6: look back on and look back on, and they haven't
Speaker 6: changed at all. Unfortunately, Marshall, we're up against the clock again,
Speaker 6: my friend. But I ask you please think about what
Speaker 6: we talked about and call again and love the way
Speaker 6: you think. You seem very honest about it all. I
Speaker 6: just think that the arguments that you've heard are the
Speaker 6: things that you've consumed really aren't legitimate at all. There's
Speaker 6: a difference between good sound reasoning and reasons that sound good.
Speaker 6: And I think people have filled you with reasons that
Speaker 6: sound good. But there's more to it than that. And
Speaker 6: seventy years, if that's the oldest one that's ever found,
Speaker 6: is still not far. Still not far. There are people
Speaker 6: walking this earth that shook hands with Hitler. To have
Speaker 6: that opportunity to get that from first person accounts is
Speaker 6: not that far. You're getting confused because there's TV now
Speaker 6: and there's computers and all these distractions. Back then, there wasn't.
Speaker 6: It was the written word that was the definitive place
Speaker 6: to go. Therefore it made it more important. Therefore every jot,
Speaker 6: every tittle, every line was more important than anybody writing
Speaker 6: now think, especially because it's temporal, you put up a tweet,
Speaker 6: you put up a blog.
Speaker 1: Maybe there may not be there. Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: This was different. It was different. They knew it was
Speaker 6: different as they wrote it. They had reverence and respect
Speaker 6: for the written word, and they passed it along that way.
Speaker 6: That's what gave it its power. It wasn't a game
Speaker 6: of telephone. It hasn't changed. You know what has changed
Speaker 6: the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution changes all
Speaker 6: the time. Every five years, a group of scientists get
Speaker 6: together every five years try and figure out what the
Speaker 6: definition is because it changes. Darwinism does not exist today,
Speaker 6: not in the same way, in the same sense as
Speaker 6: Darwin wrote about it in the forties. It changed, it
Speaker 6: continues to change, but this has remained the same. Christine,
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2: Hi Jesus, thank you for taking my.
Speaker 1: Call, my pleasure. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, listen for me. It's a question of does God
Speaker 2: speak to me in other ways other than through prayer?
Speaker 2: And I'll sell it. Why this is the question. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm religious, I'm Catholic. Yes, I have not forgotten about God,
Speaker 2: but I have put him aside. Am I upset? Am
Speaker 2: I matter. No, it's too many negative things going on
Speaker 2: in life, in my life that I maybe just just
Speaker 2: begin to say, well, maybe he's forgotten about me right now.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what prompted me to call. I've
Speaker 2: never called before and was a dream where I fought
Speaker 2: demon the entire time and for me, which is rare,
Speaker 2: I don't do this.
Speaker 3: It is it just that.
Speaker 2: I have put him on the side, and I can't
Speaker 2: stop thinking is he punishing me for not entirely putting
Speaker 2: him first in my life? I guess that's how I
Speaker 2: can best explain.
Speaker 6: Well, it's more like this, Christine, and I'm and I
Speaker 6: understand that it can make you upset, But it's more
Speaker 6: like this. If you're going to go for a run
Speaker 6: and you don't want to take your running shoes, and
Speaker 6: you take your flip flops and you go running and
Speaker 6: you sprain your ankle and rocks get in underneath the
Speaker 6: flip flops and you tear your feet up and you
Speaker 6: get fatigued. Does that mean that the running shoes are
Speaker 6: trying to punish you? Or does that mean that you
Speaker 6: aren't doing things correctly and therefore you're facing the consequences.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not doing it right.
Speaker 1: That's all. It's God hasn't gone anywhere.
Speaker 6: God's exactly where you left him, and God wants to
Speaker 6: spend more time with you, and you're not. You put
Speaker 6: down the directions, you put down the instructions on how
Speaker 6: to do things and said, well, I'll do it from
Speaker 6: memory for a while, and then you so slowly start
Speaker 6: to forget and you're not doing anything to rejuvenate that
Speaker 6: or help you. You're not praying or getting in God's
Speaker 6: word or spending time with his people and doing those things,
Speaker 6: and slowly you get away from it, and then life
Speaker 6: tends to take, you know, different turns. That doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that life is honky dory for a Christian. It just
Speaker 6: means that when you stray from God, now you're in
Speaker 6: two places because one you know's what is right and
Speaker 6: what you should be doing, and you're not doing it.
Speaker 6: So it's even different from somebody who never really know,
Speaker 6: because you know what's right and you're not doing it,
Speaker 6: So you're feeling things differently and experiencing them differently. Get
Speaker 6: back into God's word. Don't worry about the guilt. That's silly,
Speaker 6: that's of the devil. Get back into God's word, Spend
Speaker 6: time with God and ask him to guide your life again.
Speaker 6: More importantly than all of this and all the nuttiness
Speaker 6: that goes on in the world, remember these words.
Speaker 1: I Am with you
Speaker 3: Always KF I am sixty on demand