WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.440 You're listening to KFI AIX on demand. Joe, Welcome to 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:11.119 the Jesus Christ Show. Pardon hi, Joe, how can I 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:11.439 help you? 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:11.839 Oh? 5 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:12.480 Yes, Hi? 6 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:13.560 How are you? Lord? 7 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:16.239 I am well limited off the radio. 8 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.519 Oh yes, Lord, I'm in Talusden. 9 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:19.600 I just have a quick question. 10 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:22.160 I wish I could coin it because I've never heard anybody. 11 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:22.519 Ask this question. 12 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:23.960 But it is very very important. 13 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.839 You are you know, you say that the Father God, 14 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:32.840 he's our father. He loves us, respects us, he teaches us, 15 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:36.920 he guides us all of these things, which I agree. 16 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.280 Adam was God's father. I mean, Adam was God's son. 17 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:45.520 He was also God's daughter. Why didn't he tell Adam, hey, 18 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:47.439 I'm going to put you in a fire that's going 19 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:49.840 to burn you forever and ever and ever. You're going 20 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.840 to be burning for six thousand years or more if 21 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.039 you leave from that. If this were baby, why didn't 22 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.759 God tell him that? After that, he that tell us 23 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.560 about the tame commandments, Hope, he sent prompts to pizza, 24 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:04.359 hope until other stuff. 25 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:08.680 That he forget to tell Shassan Adam to you know, 26 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:09.480 to not eat. 27 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:12.040 From the what the consequences would be he ate from 28 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:12.480 the tree. 29 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:13.439 Well, I think they would. 30 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.760 There seems to be a phone problem, So I'm gonna 31 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.280 let you listen to the answer off the air. He 32 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.560 Mos certainly did. Everybody wants it to be a certain 33 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:25.680 type of language or a certain set of words, but 34 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.719 most most definitely Chapter three Genesis. Chapter three says, now 35 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.359 the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the 36 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.799 field which the Lord God had made. And he said 37 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:39.879 to the woman, Indeed, as God said, you shall not 38 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.359 eat from any tree of the garden. And the woman 39 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.359 said to the serpent, from the fruit of the trees 40 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:50.159 of the garden we may eat. But from the fruit 41 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.519 of the tree which is in the middle of the garden. 42 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.560 God has said, you shall not eat from it or 43 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.879 touch it, lest you die. And the serpent said to 44 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.200 a woman, you surely shall not die, for God knows 45 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.319 that in that day you eat from it, your eyes 46 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.360 will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing 47 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:11.199 good and evil. 48 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.879 So really God did. 49 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.159 Now, maybe not in the same way, in the same 50 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.479 source a sense that you would like, but there was 51 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.039 enough information. As a matter of fact, it was equal 52 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:30.000 information to what had been given by the serpent. It 53 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:35.520 was enough information to fend off from the serpent. But 54 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:37.800 it was an issue of will and desire, and that 55 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:42.199 issue of will and desire superseded any admonition, and the 56 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.360 woman and man ended up doing what they wanted to do. 57 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:49.759 So if you're and your description of hell was a 58 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:54.000 little off, but just for the sake of the main question, 59 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.479 I will tell you that enough was given. And it 60 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.319 seems you know, you don't break down the You know, 61 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.840 on a molecular level, what takes place. When a child 62 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.800 puts their hands over the stove. You just let them 63 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:14.919 know that they'll be burned. You know, don't do that, 64 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:18.560 You'll hurt yourself. That happens a lot too. The admonition 65 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:24.599 is being such that the adult should be the authority 66 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.319 in the life of the child in such a way 67 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.520 that the child knows that by the mere speaking of 68 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:34.800 it from the adult that it is worthy to be heard. Likewise, 69 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.400 the mere speaking of an admonition by God, it doesn't 70 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.680 have to go into depth or detail that it should 71 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:47.800 be followed, just on that it was about obedience to God. 72 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.680 It's not if God would have described everything that would 73 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.080 take place during the separation of God and in Hell, 74 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.080 that they would have gone Okay, well, wow, that consequence 75 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.479 seems a little more. They're disobeying God by that very act. 76 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.439 They know that it will separate them from God, and 77 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.080 they still did it because something else looked a little 78 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.680 more yummy at the time, something else looked a little 79 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:13.400 more intriguing. 80 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:14.479 They had plenty. 81 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.240 There was no need to eat from this. It's not 82 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.680 like they were hungry or starving for anything. That had 83 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:26.079 everything they wanted in context. And this was merely a 84 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:31.279 point of outright rebellion, and that's different. You can't rebellion 85 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.160 is an act of rebellion. Rebellion is not an act 86 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.360 weighing options and saying I wonderfray. It's just going the 87 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:43.240 other way. And that's what's being described in Genesis. And 88 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.560 nothing was going to change that. It wasn't a matter 89 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.120 of oh, you didn't tell me, you know, that's the 90 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.160 equivalent of doing something bad in stealing something and then 91 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:55.079 saying you didn't tell me. 92 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.560 You had video cameras and that's why I'm caught. 93 00:04:58.680 --> 00:04:58.839 Now. 94 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.279 It's not about that. Know, you weren't supposed to be 95 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:01.639 doing it. 96 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.680 You had enough information to know you shouldn't be doing it, 97 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:07.959 and they did it anyways, that's an act of rebellion, 98 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.360 completely different than just, you know, some. 99 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:18.720 Point of ignorance. Marshall. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey, 100 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:20.279 hi Marshall. How can I help you? 101 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:21.480 Oh? 102 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:27.480 Okay, in we were on, it's a whole nonsensical. I 103 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:29.759 don't know. It makes no logical sense for there to 104 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:38.160 be a supreme being. Okay, single creation, and I think 105 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:43.040 it would be a lot easier to go through life 106 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:46.879 with a knowing of something of that nature. 107 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.079 But sure you could see how people would create it 108 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.240 even if it didn't exist. 109 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:53.920 I'm sorry, you could. 110 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.480 See how someone would create it even if it didn't exist. 111 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.360 Well, you know, I hadn't thought about that, but yes, 112 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.040 that that would make That would kind of follow my argument. 113 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.240 I've done some research, taking many classes in religion, and 114 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:16.199 the the values are wonderful and the principles are sound. 115 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.480 Well, where where would you get Where would someone like 116 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.240 yourself get get values and principles? 117 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.160 Well, but I assumed starting with my parents and. 118 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:27.920 Where'd they get them? 119 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:33.319 But I would assume it went back further. 120 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.360 Did you ever study something in your in your studies, 121 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.600 did you ever study something called an infinite regression? 122 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:42.439 Uh? Somehow that does not ring. 123 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.199 Okay, it's a matter think about a chain link, a 124 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.959 link of chains, and if you have to keep adding 125 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:52.720 a link to that chain, it doesn't really answer the question. 126 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.360 It just adds another question to it. 127 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.279 Right, So in this case, uh, you have to keep 128 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.639 adding to it by saying, well, I learned them from 129 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:01.040 my parents. 130 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.439 They learned them from their parents. 131 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.839 Well, somehow, either whether you believe in creationism, which you don't, 132 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:13.959 or evolution, those are the two major models. So somewhere 133 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:15.959 along the line there had to be a beginning of 134 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:20.439 these morals or ethics or principles. And I'm wondering where 135 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.480 you think they came from. 136 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:26.279 I think they came from necessity at the in the 137 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.879 very early days of man trying to survive day in 138 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:36.439 and day out. I think that it was a survival 139 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.680 issue more so than a divine intervention. 140 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.839 Or survival of who because I can't but couldn't the 141 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:49.759 strongest species still invoke their own morals. 142 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:57.199 Well on the less strong, well, I think that the 143 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.800 animal kingdom does pretty good job of of having fairly 144 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.360 fairly they're fairly moral. 145 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.120 Well, no they're not. They're instinctual. There's a difference. They 146 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.639 don't they don't. They do things based on strictly on 147 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:12.720 survival and it has nothing to do with what they 148 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:13.839 believe to be right or wrong. 149 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.800 Okay I didn't. I wasn't saying they're sentient. I'm saying 150 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:23.480 that the the instincts that of survival that it. Looking 151 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.920 at the animal kingdom, they seem to be fairly moral choices. 152 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:28.639 Be them instinctual. 153 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.720 They eat, They eat their young, They eat one another. 154 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.080 For a reason. Yeah, they don't do it just haphazardly. 155 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.799 They eat they're young when the young aren't healthy enough 156 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:42.519 to survive, or shouldn't be there, or there's too many. Okay, 157 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:43.960 they don't do it just for fun. 158 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.399 Well, no, because there is no such thing as fun. 159 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:47.720 They don't have fun either. 160 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.159 Yes, none of none of that takes takes the word choice. 161 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:53.320 No, I understand what you're saying. I just I just 162 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.720 want to make sure that that it's clear to everyone else. 163 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.440 We're just up against the break, Marshall. But I'd love 164 00:08:58.480 --> 00:08:58.840 to talk. 165 00:08:58.720 --> 00:08:59.600 To you more. Can you hang on? 166 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:01.240 I can if you'd like it. 167 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:10.159 No, please, please please. Marshall was kind enough to hang 168 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:14.840 on with us as we discuss the concept of God 169 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.440 at all, the necessity of a god, the not the 170 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.960 non necessity of a god talking about morals and ethics 171 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.279 and the like. The animal kingdom does not have them. 172 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.480 They're instinctual by nature. Why do you suppose that humans 173 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.240 are not as instinctual as their sentience? 174 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:35.399 That's it? Huh? 175 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:36.080 Yeah? 176 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:37.320 And where do you think that comes from? 177 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:39.440 No? 178 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.720 I mean, I you know, I just think we have 179 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.919 a better communication system than the rest of the animal kingdom. 180 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:53.600 It was inevitable. There'll be people who things in much 181 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.360 more able to communicate and do things better than we 182 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.679 will after we're gone. I mean, you know, we're just 183 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.919 a little spec on that. On this planet, we're really 184 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:04.679 not much at all. 185 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:06.440 Sure, Why do you think a. 186 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.399 Thousand years, I mean five thousand, maybe seven thousand years, 187 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:14.240 we've been doing more than living instincts, you know. 188 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:19.240 Sure? And why do you think that? Why do you 189 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.000 think God is a myth? Why do you think the 190 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.080 evolutionary model seems so intriguing to you or so sound? 191 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.200 Well, I guess from the from the face it would 192 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.039 be just the rationality of it. 193 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.000 You know, it's wait a second, Marshall, you find it 194 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.159 to be more rational that something came from nothing? 195 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.960 Yeah, well, it didn't come from nothing. It came from me. 196 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:46.200 And if we want, you're talking about the entire I 197 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.840 guess universe being created. All you're saying, yes, I have 198 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.360 a problem with that as well. Yeah to say that 199 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.360 the ban but I got a problem with that too. 200 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.360 So that's but in science, Marshall, they did the the 201 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.000 theme is always the cause is always greater than the effect. 202 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.879 In the case of evolution, that gets thrown out the window. 203 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:09.919 The effect is greater than the cause. 204 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.679 Yes, sir, I'm not basing this purely on science. I'm 205 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.320 just you know, I'm not a scientist. 206 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.519 Oh everyone everyone's a science. 207 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:21.720 That that's explained as well. So you know there's a 208 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.799 but but let's think you were mentioning that you know 209 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.639 there are actually two paths to heaven. 210 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.279 Well not really, it was I was trying to focus. 211 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.200 I was trying to make people see that there was 212 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:34.600 truly only one path. 213 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.039 But that there's I agree, and I understand that I'm 214 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.120 merely saying that what kind of god that would father 215 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:52.320 would need your blind fates, that needs that worship, just 216 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:54.320 because you know, if you're doing the best you can, 217 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:59.039 but you know, obviously you can't live to the standards 218 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:03.879 that are set to get in alone. What turns God? 219 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:09.720 What turn of being needs that adulation from its subjects. 220 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:14.639 Well, that's the confusion. That's anthropomorphism. You are really trying 221 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.120 to apply very human attribute. You're saying if a human 222 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.480 sat on that chair and one of those things, that 223 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.840 would be wrong. My argument would be that a human doesn't. 224 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.720 So once again as this clock, this clock is a 225 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:28.440 little bit of a pest. But I do want you 226 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.240 to hold on, Marshall, So hang tight, because I think 227 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.320 that you're bringing up very valid questions and I don't 228 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:34.120 want to rush you off. 229 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:34.919 So hang tight. 230 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.000 Talking with Marshall, who's been kind to hang with us 231 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:47.039 over the breaks as he wrestles with the concept of faith. Now, 232 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.000 the thing you said at the very end, there is 233 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.799 blind faith. There's no such thing as blind faith. As 234 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.159 a matter of fact, if anybody has to apply blind faith, 235 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.679 it's you, as an evolutionist you have to look at 236 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:02.879 That's why they talk about things like the missing link. 237 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.799 The fact is you're filling in those blanks with faith, 238 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:09.080 and you're filling in the billions of years with faith 239 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.960 because there's no way to really test that or to 240 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.399 recreate what they refer to in science as a past 241 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.480 singular event. So forensically you do the best you can 242 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.720 to put pieces together. But there is no transitional fossils 243 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:27.840 truly to show the as Darwin believed there would be. 244 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.279 He said, one hundred years from now, we'll have, you know, 245 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:34.519 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these fossils that will 246 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:36.799 fill in these blanks. And there are no such thing, 247 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.360 which is why certain discoveries get big news because people 248 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.679 think they are and then they prove not to be. 249 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.759 I don't need the fossils that you see it every day. 250 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.759 Wait wait, wait, wait, wait for God. 251 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.840 You started that process, you said that you don't need 252 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:57.960 the evidence and got the whole thing rolling. 253 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:00.759 Is Marshall, you do not. 254 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.639 See whether they found those fossils. I don't see that 255 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:04.799 as fate, Marshall. 256 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.679 It is faith. And you do not see evolution. You 257 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.720 see to adaptation. There's a difference. You cannot see evolution. 258 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:12.000 I'll give you that. 259 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.440 You see adaptation, and a lot of people confuse it 260 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.919 because a lot of people don't understand the difference between 261 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:23.039 general and special evolution, and they and they kind of think, well, 262 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.320 it just sort of happened. But you take on faith 263 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.960 you said you didn't need the proof. You see it now, 264 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.919 I would say you can also see the hand of creation. 265 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:34.720 Do you know what a topiary is. 266 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.000 Marshall, a topiary, It's a plant. 267 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.240 It's a shaped plant, right, yeah, Well you go to 268 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.919 Disneyland and in front of in front of it's a 269 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.039 small world, they have them shaped like dinosaurs and elephants 270 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.080 and all this. Right, when you look at that, you 271 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.639 know that it's an organic thing. It's a plant, But 272 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.919 you know it didn't grow that way that someone with 273 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.559 intelligence and design reached in and designed it to look 274 00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:58.960 like an. 275 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.159 Elephant or a giraffe or what have you. 276 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.960 There are many of those things throughout life that you 277 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.759 could stare at that. I would argue to you that 278 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.559 if you looked at them, they scream design. 279 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:12.480 Period. 280 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:17.360 There is the complexity of man, the differences between the species, 281 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.080 Yet the similarities speak more of a common creator or 282 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.039 an artist than they do. Like if you saw three picassos, 283 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.320 you'd say, yes, those are similar. I don't believe one 284 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.120 evolved from the other. I believe on they all had 285 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:30.639 the same creator. 286 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.320 And the breaststrokes we were. 287 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.559 In tid together in ways that it would be from 288 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.679 the same artist, not a progression. 289 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:41.440 Of Yeah, it wouldn't be. 290 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.440 You wouldn't say if I put this one painting in 291 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.840 a room for a billion years, it'd become two paintings. 292 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.519 As a matter of fact, biologically, there's a lot of 293 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:54.960 problems scientifically with the model of evolution. Scientifically, biologically it 294 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.639 is simpler for a cell to divide to multiply. The 295 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.919 concept of love and motion and male female does not 296 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.679 make sense in the evolutionary model. There is no reason 297 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:07.000 why you have to have a mom and a dad. 298 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:07.679 There's nothing. 299 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:13.799 Ye, yes, sir, I'm not even that's really I'm not 300 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.120 a specifically a strict evolutionist that I do believe that, 301 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.519 but that's not I don't know something that's I'm concerned 302 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:27.440 with as much as the leap of faith and something 303 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:36.360 that I can't grasp as that that has any It 304 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:42.200 just seems so bizarre. Wow, what does concept. 305 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.759 Of that something came from something that that a creator created? 306 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.159 That that seems bizarre when everything you see in this 307 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.879 world that is created comes from a creator. Everything that 308 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.159 is not a bizarre concept. As a matter of fact, 309 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.799 everything that you've said, everything in the universe, Marsia, everything 310 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.559 has to point outside itself to explain its existence everything. 311 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.559 So why would it be so far a leap to 312 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.200 say that the entire universe has to point outside itself 313 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.680 to explain its existence, because. 314 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.440 Why does I can't understand why they create a tour 315 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.519 needs the acknowledgment. 316 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:22.319 Gotcha? 317 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.079 Okay, excellent, You've brought us, you brought us back to 318 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.079 the to the emotional question. But but this whole time 319 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.960 you've you've seated it as if it was an intellectual problem, 320 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.480 and it's not. This is an emotional problem for. 321 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:40.839 Used individual who's intellectually diverse. And uh, and I'm very 322 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:42.240 emotional and spiritual. 323 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.079 Marshall, you are anything I'm not. 324 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.480 You know, I'm not some kind of scientist. 325 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.000 There, No, you are. You are anything but confused, my friend. 326 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.119 I love I love having you on because of the 327 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.839 way you think there's I think you're going down a 328 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.240 path that a lot of people do. But the the thing, 329 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:01.799 it's not as bizarre as you think. What happens is 330 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.640 people hear stuff or they misplace parts of the story 331 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.240 and it seems odd. I'll give you that, but imagine 332 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:08.799 it this way. 333 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.440 Uh. Did you have a good relationship with your father? 334 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.400 Yes? Did you tell my stepfather. Yes, okay, okay? 335 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.480 And what did you call your stepfather? Did you call 336 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:20.960 him father? 337 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.559 I call him dad later on in okay? 338 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.559 And why did you call him dad? Was that a 339 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.480 sign of affection or reverence for his position in the family? 340 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:36.960 That was respect? I don't know. I'm I was raised Southern. 341 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.440 You know I respect my elders, and I respected him. 342 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.240 As a human good for you, and that's a that's 343 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.440 a good place to be. Now, what was he better 344 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.359 than you? 345 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:50.880 No? I don't I don't think so. 346 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.400 You were respecting the position, right, Uh? 347 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.079 He was. He was better at me at the time 348 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.319 because he had been through more and conquered more. 349 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.200 And and I don't know, well said you were respecting 350 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.160 that his life experience and and who he was in 351 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.480 your life. And if the president of the United States, 352 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.880 whether you agree or disagree with the politics of any 353 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.200 given president, you'd still resent respect the position, and and 354 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.000 you would know that anything you did what's going on, 355 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:24.680 I understand, but if you will, But my point being, Marshall, 356 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.039 the most important part that I want to give to 357 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:31.519 you is that you would would treat him differently than 358 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.359 someone else because of that position. And and it's and 359 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.680 when a judge walks in the room at a hearing pep, 360 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.799 everyone stands up and they have to stand up, Okay, 361 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:45.720 but now they and then they sit down. 362 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.279 That is because of the position. Now, when God walks 363 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:48.640 into a. 364 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:54.440 Room, everything that you see, every everything you've ever tasted, 365 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:59.359 every smell, every sense, every experience you've ever had, has 366 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.279 come at the hand of His creation and all. And 367 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.839 he asks not out of some sort of egotistical desire, 368 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:12.079 but out of pure justice, that you respond accordingly. 369 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:12.960 That's it. 370 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:17.480 You have to respect gravity the same way everything. There 371 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.359 are certain things that just are by the very nature 372 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.519 of what they are, and if you don't respect them, 373 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.440 you will die by them. If you don't respect gravity, 374 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.440 if you don't respect fire, if you don't respect a 375 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.079 loaded weapon. If you don't respect these things, they will 376 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.119 kill you by the very nature of what they are 377 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:32.799 and their power. 378 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.799 Yes, God only asks for the respect that is justly 379 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.640 should be justly given to him. That's it. 380 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.279 And I under and I believe that if this is 381 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:50.920 the case, I agree with that statement. But I don't 382 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:56.680 except for the complexity of life in general, I've seen 383 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.000 no proof the Bible and things were written after generations 384 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.839 of storytelling before it was all written down. 385 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.839 No, no, no, you're talking. 386 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:07.720 Some of the earth impossible. 387 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:08.720 No, some of the. 388 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:13.000 Earliest writings, Marshall, are within seventy years of the happening. 389 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.640 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's seventy years. Can 390 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:20.000 you imagine? Yes, Okay, the changes happened to a story 391 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.039 in seventy years when. 392 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.839 It's written down, insane. No no, no, when it's written down, 393 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.799 no changes. That's what the written. 394 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:29.400 In seventy years after it happened. 395 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.319 No, no, no, you're talking about the earliest writings that have 396 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:33.160 been discovered. 397 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.079 There's a difference. 398 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:37.759 Do you know why the like the oldest man always 399 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.799 jumps around and they say, oh, that life must have 400 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:42.559 come from here, because this is the oldest bones we found. Well, 401 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.160