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<v Speaker 1>This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>More of what you hear Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly and his writing partner Martin Duggart have done

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<v Speaker 2>it again, and this time they're not killing anybody. Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>You're confronting the presidents. No spin assessments from Washington to Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to believe in all the research you've done

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<v Speaker 2>with your writing partner, in all the Killing series of books,

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<v Speaker 2>you've come across a lot of rabbit holes to go down,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what we wanted to do, Lee, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 3>having me on a program is give the reader an

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<v Speaker 3>honest appraisal of all forty five men who have held

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<v Speaker 3>the presidency. And we also wanted to humanize them, make

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<v Speaker 3>them real people, because America has a tendency to mythologize

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<v Speaker 3>presidents and public schools don't even teach history anymore. So

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<v Speaker 3>have you go outside and say, hey, hey, what about

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<v Speaker 3>that Chester a Arthur?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is that a rapper?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I know Chester a Arthur. And we do

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<v Speaker 3>it in an entertaining way, the same style we use

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<v Speaker 3>on the Killing books. And we our task is to

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<v Speaker 3>uncover things that even the historians don't know. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>a review on Amazon just popped up by the head

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<v Speaker 3>of a historical society who says, look, I've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>this my whole life, and I didn't know many of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that o'reiley and Dugard came up with in

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<v Speaker 3>confronting the presidents. For example, George Washington's mother didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>him and wrote letters to the Virginia newspaper saying, my son,

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<v Speaker 3>George's starving me to debt. And it drove General Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>who's in the middle of the Revolutionary War at the time, crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't even go to his mother's funeral. Stuff like

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<v Speaker 3>that is all throughout the book. And then the final

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<v Speaker 3>thing is that I tried to make confronting the presidents

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<v Speaker 3>relevant to today. So there was one president who won

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<v Speaker 3>in a landslide who used the same campaign techniques that

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris is using. You know who that guy was.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not. I can't even guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Warren Hardy nineteen twenty. So Harding was not a smart man,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was smart enough to know that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a smart man. Republicans dominated him. The country is fed

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<v Speaker 3>up with eight years of Democrats in Woodrow Wilson. That

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<v Speaker 3>was World War One and they would have elected a

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<v Speaker 3>chimpanze and Warren was the chimp. So Warren basically says

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<v Speaker 3>the republic body, I'm not campaigning. I'm gonna sit here

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<v Speaker 3>and marry in Ohio on my fortune wave the people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. And no interviews ever. Who does that remind

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<v Speaker 3>you of? Uh huh, no interviews? Okay. So Harding wins

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<v Speaker 3>in a landslide and then gets into the White House

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<v Speaker 3>and is one of the worst presidents ever, spends his

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<v Speaker 3>time playing cards all night with his corrupt pronies, getting

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<v Speaker 3>drunk and chasing his mistress around the building. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>he did for three years before he died in San

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<v Speaker 3>Francisco under fairly suspicious circumstances. So this is the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff. And I can almost assure you that the

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris campaign has no idea what Laaren Hardy to do,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's almost identical the way they're campaign. They're running

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<v Speaker 3>their campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Confronting the president's no spin assessments from Washington to Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly is with us a bill one of the

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<v Speaker 2>I think more under researched and undercredited presidents for his

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<v Speaker 2>role in American history as James Buchanan. You seldom hear

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<v Speaker 2>or see what he did that directly caused the Civil War.

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<v Speaker 3>The worst president by far. And when Donald Trump gets

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<v Speaker 3>up and says Joe Biden's the worst president, he's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Buchanan was, by father worse. Biden was, in my opinion

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<v Speaker 3>based on research, the second worst. Because Biden brought problems

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<v Speaker 3>onto the country. Biden created the open border, he created

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<v Speaker 3>the massive inflation, Not Congress, nobody else, Biden did it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's very, very angel. Most of the failed presidents

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<v Speaker 3>inherited the problems, like Herbert Hoover the Great Depression, and

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<v Speaker 3>they couldn't solve them. Biden, he came in and he

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<v Speaker 3>caused them. Now, James Buchanan coward number one coward. So

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<v Speaker 3>he gets elected eighteen fifty six and he does absolutely nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to stop the sow from arming itself, from murdering

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<v Speaker 3>Union officials. I mean, it was outrageous. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>letter in my private collection league from Marry Truman saying

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<v Speaker 3>that Andrew Jackson had been president in eighteen fifty six,

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<v Speaker 3>there would not have been a Civil War. But because

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<v Speaker 3>Buchanan was too afraid to do anything. The South rose

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<v Speaker 3>up in ferocity, and the war was a fate of

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<v Speaker 3>complete When Abraham Lincoln was elected more than a million Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy from wounds and from diseased. So you can't cop Buchanan.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy was a fop f op. What do you

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<v Speaker 3>read about this guy? Unbelievable And you're right, nobody knows

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<v Speaker 3>who he is. Yeah, nobody knows, and that's why the

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<v Speaker 3>book has gotten off for such a fair start.

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically, I was referring to I want to say his

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<v Speaker 2>what they used to call the Address to Congress. It's

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<v Speaker 2>now the State of the Union Address, But in it

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<v Speaker 2>he acknowledges the South's right to exist on its own, which,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, lit the views that was headed to

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<v Speaker 2>the powder keg.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, this guy was irresponsible. Some might call him a trader.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Tyler John Tyler took over when William Henry

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<v Speaker 3>Harrison died. Tyler was a trader. I mean, people go

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<v Speaker 3>what a president of the United States was a trader? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>Tyler served in a Confederate Congress after they booted him

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<v Speaker 3>out of the presidency. But most of these guys in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteenth century before Lincoln where slavers themselves, they had

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<v Speaker 3>no problem with it. And that's why Abraham Lincoln is

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<v Speaker 3>the best president because he was a very decent, kind

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<v Speaker 3>man and you know, he wanted to work lost.

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<v Speaker 2>It highly highly, highly intelligent.

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<v Speaker 3>Lincoln, and he had so much to deal with his

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<v Speaker 3>dun Ton die, his mother, his wife is a nut.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was like no relief. And the deterioration

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<v Speaker 3>of him physically, you see when he took off his

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<v Speaker 3>dinate four years later before he was assassinated. The physical

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<v Speaker 3>deterioration of the man, it's just stunning. And that brings

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<v Speaker 3>us to the Trump shooting or attempted shooting over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Set of be nine assassination attempts on US presidents. I

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<v Speaker 3>write about seven of them in confronting the presidents, because

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<v Speaker 3>obviously the Trump situation was after the book was published,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of them have one thing in common. All

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<v Speaker 3>of the assassins were mentally ill people. And you'll find

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<v Speaker 3>that the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania who's dead, and the

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<v Speaker 3>guy in Florida who'll never see the light of day again,

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<v Speaker 3>are mentally ill as well. And that's a problem here.

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<v Speaker 3>So everybody else tres a Matho and it and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>the hateful rhetoric on both sides in this campaign does

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<v Speaker 3>not help the level of violence that we have in

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<v Speaker 3>our country. But it's mentally ill people who are doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know any society you can protect people

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<v Speaker 3>against those kinds.

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<v Speaker 2>Of folks confronting the presidents no spin assessments from Washington

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<v Speaker 2>to Biden and Bill O'Reilly along with his writing partner

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<v Speaker 2>Martin de guard, has the presidency changed that much? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it sounds to me like we have seen so

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<v Speaker 2>many parallels throughout history. It's just a different of maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the power the press has had over the years, or

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of money spent to elect a president, but

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's still the same the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's always been contentious. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. The only president got

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<v Speaker 3>to pass was Washington because Washington had very very few critics,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, population a doored him. But once he left,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Adams ran against Jefferson, then of vitriol came in.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's social media and irresponsible corporate media, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a big theme of bond on Bill O'Reilly dot com,

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<v Speaker 3>on my note's been news broadcasts. You know, they heightened us.

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<v Speaker 3>They promote this for their own reasons. They want to

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<v Speaker 3>make money, and hatred does make money. So it's worse

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<v Speaker 3>now it's ever been except for the Civil War. So

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<v Speaker 3>the political hatred in the USA is worse today ever before,

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<v Speaker 3>other than the war between the Sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>Confronting the presidents. No spin assessments from Washington to Biden

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<v Speaker 2>by Bill. O'Reilly, Bill, you've done it again. I only

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<v Speaker 2>have begun the book, but I'm looking forward to it

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<v Speaker 2>cover to cover, and thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure where you get the wine Heartingly, you'll love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you adding me in. I'll best everybody in OKLAHOLM.

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