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<v Speaker 1>Me and you during a break, we're talking about just

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<v Speaker 1>how good Fromber has been, and I looked up his

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<v Speaker 1>game log. Here, let me take you back May the seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>That was after he gave up four earned runs in

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<v Speaker 1>a loss to the White Sox up there in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a great outing. As a matter of fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>bumped his VRA from a four point zhoo to a

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<v Speaker 1>four point thirty nine, giving up four runs in five innings.

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<v Speaker 1>Again not great struck or what was it to walk

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<v Speaker 1>to and struck out six in that outing? So not terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least for what you hope to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the ace of your staff, not not what you

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<v Speaker 1>want whatsoever. May the seventh, the finale against the Brewers

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<v Speaker 1>that afternoon they're in Milwaukee. Seven innings, one earned run,

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<v Speaker 1>and he strikes out seven. The following outing, eight innings,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the one at home against the Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>City Royals. So two times this year he's gone eight

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<v Speaker 1>innings against the Royals, and he picked up a no

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<v Speaker 1>decision in that one, but he strikes out seven at

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<v Speaker 1>the Rangers. He had that one bad inning, takes a

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<v Speaker 1>no decision or actually no, he did take the win

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<v Speaker 1>in that one. I forgot about that because it was

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the eighth is when the Astros got

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<v Speaker 1>their damage there against the Rangers and were able to

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<v Speaker 1>win that game. So he gets the win. So his

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<v Speaker 1>last four times out, he has four straight wins and

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<v Speaker 1>he is five and zero during that stretch of six

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<v Speaker 1>starts where he has gone no less than six innings.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be surprised if he's an All Star. He's back

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<v Speaker 2>dooring his way into it right now. He's just above

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<v Speaker 2>three at three h seven for the year. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>pitching really well, and he was rough to start the year,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's starting to round into for him at a

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<v Speaker 2>good time when the All Star voting is coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they don't vote for pitchers, but he's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that has been good for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Since twenty twenty, he's been one of the best pitchers

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<v Speaker 2>in the American League. He's always somewhere in the Cy

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<v Speaker 2>Young voting, whether it's seventh, ninth, fifth, and he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the All Star break, maybe with a

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<v Speaker 2>sub three ERA if he keeps pitching the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he does. And some of the better guys in the

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<v Speaker 2>American League right now, the lower eras the Tyler Meylee,

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<v Speaker 2>the Chris Bubach's. Those are not guys that have been

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<v Speaker 2>as good as they are for a long time. There

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<v Speaker 2>are guys that are hurt. Nathan Evaldi has been incredible

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<v Speaker 2>this year. He got pulled recently from a start, and

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<v Speaker 2>they might have to limit his innings up here soon.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some guys that are pitching above their weight, and

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<v Speaker 2>fromber was pitching below his weight and now he's pitching

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<v Speaker 2>at his weight. And I think once we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the All Star break, he's going to be a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that the numbers look really good and he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>good reputation. Don't be surprised if from ber Valdez is

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<v Speaker 2>an All Star.

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<v Speaker 1>At his worst this season, he was at a four

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<v Speaker 1>point nine to one er. Ever since then he has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to significantly lower it, and last night with

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<v Speaker 1>his two earned run performance over seven innings, it is

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down to a three point oh seven.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just been really good. He's doing what he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>because this is a platform year for from ber Valdez.

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<v Speaker 2>He is looking for a huge contract two hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be surprised if from Bervoz gets that brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is the that is the floor for

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<v Speaker 1>the deal that he is going to seek, at least

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<v Speaker 1>if his representation is you know, reputable enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to know like, hey, like this is what my

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<v Speaker 1>guy is worth. Because I mean, you look at some

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<v Speaker 1>of these contracts that some of these pitchers get, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you thought there was a time in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL where teams overpaid for quarterbacks like you paid

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<v Speaker 1>what for Kirk Cousins, Seriously, two different teams have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now major League Baseball, the biggest fear is not having

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<v Speaker 1>good pitching. And I mean he's a guy that when

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<v Speaker 1>he's at his best, has shown you he can be

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the rotation guy when he's not at

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<v Speaker 1>his best, middle of the rotation at best.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he posts too. That's the other thing. He is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most innings pitched guys in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody is looking for that now because this whole

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<v Speaker 2>league is about give me five innings. Throw everything you

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<v Speaker 2>have in the tank, throw as hard as you can

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<v Speaker 2>for five innings, get me through the lineup twice, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we're gonna pull you Fromber's one of the very

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<v Speaker 2>few guys in the league that is averaging six almost

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<v Speaker 2>seven innings a start, and you know he's gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>you one hundred and ninety two hundred innings a year,

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<v Speaker 2>not much of an injury history. Max Freed got eight years,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and eighteen million dollars. They're comparable. Fromber is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go into free agency, just one year older than

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<v Speaker 2>Max Freed, with a cleaner bill of health than Max

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<v Speaker 2>Freed had throughout his career with the Braves, and the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers are very comparable. Freed doesn't necessarily go as long

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<v Speaker 2>as Fromber. He's been a little bit more effective ra wise.

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<v Speaker 2>The strikeouts are very similar eight to eighteen, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we know there's inflation with contracts. Yes, Fromber's a year older,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're a year later. I wouldn't be surprised if

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<v Speaker 2>that's around what he ends up getting, because those two

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<v Speaker 2>guys are extremely comparable.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny too that you just mentioned about the

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<v Speaker 1>age because Frober's gonna turn thirty two in November, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you were mentioning Max Freed, I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, that can't be right. But it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>just because you know, was around him when he first

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<v Speaker 1>came up. But then he first came up in like

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<v Speaker 1>what twenty sixteen twenty, you know, somewhere around that time,

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember they had gotten them in that Craig

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberl trade from the Padres the Braves did, And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's been around for a good amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>and fromber I mean about twenty twenty, I think was

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<v Speaker 1>when we first got him up here at the major

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<v Speaker 1>league level. And I remember when he first came up

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking to yourself, Okay, maybe this guy can

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<v Speaker 1>round into being a back end of the rotation guy

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<v Speaker 1>because he got hit hard at the beginning of his

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<v Speaker 1>career and then he started to really rely on the sinker,

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<v Speaker 1>started to rely on the stuff to get some ground balls.

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<v Speaker 1>But this year, I mean, it's not just the ground

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<v Speaker 1>balls that started to come as of late because he

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<v Speaker 1>got hit hard early on in the season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the strikeouts.

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<v Speaker 1>And last night where he's able to pick up eleven

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<v Speaker 1>strikeouts against the Padres. I mean, that's another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>will also get you a nice set of papers set

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<v Speaker 1>in front of you with a check that has a

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<v Speaker 1>signing bonus on it to be able to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to enlist your services with another team. Yeah, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy too that he can do it in different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>The curveball has been incredible for him this year. As

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<v Speaker 1>watching the first inning and he looked so sharp. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he's like that and it it looks like it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in the zone. Many of them ended

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<v Speaker 1>up in the zone and you still can't hit it

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's so tightly spun.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys are struggling. He's just ripping through. Obviously the lefties

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<v Speaker 2>like O'Neil Cruz had a hit later in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>but O'Neil Cruz can't hit lefties, and fromber made him

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<v Speaker 2>look really bad for most of those at bats, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's ripping Brian Reynolds, like these are legit good MLB hitters.

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<v Speaker 2>Two hundred plus million dollars, that's what we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>and what that means I think for the Astros is

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's an extension coming from Fromberveldez. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's extremely, extremely unlikely, and I don't think they'll

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'll be involved just kind of casually, like hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd love to bring him back. I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to be involved because that price tag is

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<v Speaker 2>we know too rich for their blood, as we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>the Kyle Tucker trade and how they've handled other deals

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<v Speaker 2>with some other players. But there's a team out there

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to give Fromberveldez a lot of years

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of money, and they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>very happy with what they get because there are just

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<v Speaker 2>not that many pitchers in Major League Baseball who are

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<v Speaker 2>left handed, who go deep into games, who can get

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<v Speaker 2>the strikeout, who are one of the best ground ball

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<v Speaker 2>pitchers in the league. And he has worked on and

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<v Speaker 2>fixed many of the issues that he had early in

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<v Speaker 2>his career when he got hit hard. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it was step back, take a breath. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of pitches last night where he threw got called a

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<v Speaker 2>ball quite clearly a strike. There was one It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>where did this miss? He was frustrated visibly because that's

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<v Speaker 2>who he is, and that's fine. He just took a

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<v Speaker 2>step back, took a breath, got the dreads, you know, back,

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<v Speaker 2>just walk back to the mound. Strike curveball, strike out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's good. He knows how to handle those situations. He's

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<v Speaker 2>managed them well. Every once in a while, it'll happen,

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<v Speaker 2>because it happens to every pitcher. But this is over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of now one, two, three, four, five, six

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<v Speaker 2>seasons where by the end of the year you look

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<v Speaker 2>at his stats and strikes out about a guy in

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<v Speaker 2>inning era is three twelve something like that. He's given

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<v Speaker 2>you one hundred ninety innings and oh hey, he's sixth

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<v Speaker 2>and cy Young voting. He's done this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, and you shudder to think about the scenario that

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<v Speaker 1>you laid out, which I mean, I think most Astros

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<v Speaker 1>fans know that it's a distinct possibility that this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the end of fromer Valdez and an

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<v Speaker 1>Astros Uni. But you know, it's the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>what we've talked about. You know, we've mostly talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on the negative side. Christian Javier is still out there

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<v Speaker 1>and probably won't be here this year, but next year

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back. And he's a guy that you project

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<v Speaker 1>to be a front end of the rotation. Guy Luis Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>same deal. You might get him back at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the season, but he's probably going to be basically

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<v Speaker 1>a bullpen game type of guy. You're getting about three

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<v Speaker 1>or four innings at most out of him. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to stretch him out at all this season, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know was Nesky and you factor in Renel Blancos.

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<v Speaker 1>So the ammunition is there for the Astros to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it, because it's not only them coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're gonna talk about Jeremy Pania at some

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<v Speaker 1>time during the show today. I mean, soon enough, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta start locking some of these guys up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it all the time. It's like the children's

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<v Speaker 1>book The Giving Tree. Soon enough, you keep removing branches, leaves, fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things from the tree, it becomes a stump.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they're trying to avoid. But you also

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta be able to replenish the tree just a

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<v Speaker 2>They have some guys in. I mean, Melton came up,

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<v Speaker 2>He's looked good. But you do need to extend the

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<v Speaker 2>guys to keep this going. Paynya is a big one

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<v Speaker 2>from ber Valdez. Makes sense as to why you would

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<v Speaker 2>let him walk. He's gonna be an older free agent.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be thirty two in free agency and locking up

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<v Speaker 2>a picture who, by the way, has had a really

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<v Speaker 2>clean injury history up until now. Not the smartest thing

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<v Speaker 2>we know pictures get hurt. Look at Christian Javier. You

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<v Speaker 2>signed him to an extension. He got hurt. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that's a bad thing. It's just the cost

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<v Speaker 2>It's just pitching. Jacob de Gram got paid a hunter

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five million if he can't stay healthy, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he has been this year, which is good. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>essentially factor that in. If you're Max Freed, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey we're going to give you eight years in two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighteen million, and we kind of know one

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<v Speaker 2>of those years you might be out the whole year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but we also know the astros we'll give guys

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<v Speaker 1>in their thirties long term deals. We've we've seen that happen,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, maybe the reverse happens this time.

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<v Speaker 2>They come in and go, you know what, from her,

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<v Speaker 2>we took a took a.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at your Yep, you're getting the money. Here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, from er Valdez, awesome last night for the Strows.

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<v Speaker 1>What has not been so awesome for the Strows, So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it here as we continue long on

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<v Speaker 1>the Sean Salisbury Show again. Ari Alexander in for Sean

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. She and I see you're right there. Gets

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<v Speaker 1>you involved in the conversation Sebone three two one two

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