Speaker 1: At a book in.
Speaker 2: Tonight's gares does Mark Hughes, Mark, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hello, Vic. How's it going, Well, it's going.
Speaker 2: How about yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well good mate, Yeah yeah go and going good.
Speaker 2: That's good bets alternative. Mark, please give us a brief
buio on yourself.
Speaker 1: My name is Mark Hughes. I'm fifty three years old.
I currently live in Australia. I'm actually just traveling around Australia.
Just name my new puppy, which you'll probably give it
a background at some point. I'm gonna read from England.
I'm from a place called One House, which is near
Stowe Market in Suffolk. I grew up there, little village,
grew up There's all surrounded basically by cornfields and forests,
not really any livestock or anything so to speak. Really
went to the schools in Stowe Market, grew up there
tour I was roughly around nineteen. I got a job.
My dad got me a job on the overhead power lines,
which i'd done for roughly about twenty nine years. I've
been doing it up to the age of about thirty nine,
when I got offered a job with a company called
Western Power in Perth, Western Australia, which I then moved
over to and I've been here for thirteen years now
and decided to port. With the cost of living and everything,
I just decided, well, I got a really good price
from my house and I've always wanted to travel around Australia,
so I thought, sell up, got the dog and everything,
and now I'm currently in Queensland, about six seven hours
north of Brisbane, overlooking a nice lovely lake with mountains
in the distance and enjoy. And I really to be
honest with.
Speaker 2: You, Vick, Well, if you can say that that's all
that matters, that's a really good thing.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 2: You've got a little helper there. He's probably going to
be a little bit on the noisy side as we
tried to record tonight's sholl please tell us about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was when I was traveling. It was about
four months ago. I have a rescue Rottweiler. She's my
best friend, called Precious. I called it Pudgy because all
she had a thought about was food and she's my
best mate. And unfortunately she was seven and a half
and she had a problem with her liver and unfortunately
broke my heart. I had to have a put down.
While I was traveling. I was up a place called
Cowley Beach, up about an hour and a half drive
south of Cairns, and I must admit I vowed to
get another dog, but everyone I spoke so I gave
Pudgy the best life possible. Even when I was working,
I was walking three times a day. It's got all
the best food, you know, all the love and care
that she ever wanted. And I never thought i'd get
another dog again, but everyone I spoke to just said, look,
you need to get one, because you know, you've got
to give a dog a good home and everything. And
sort of long story short, I thought, yeah, okay, So
I actually drove down to Brisbane yesterday and picked up
a I couldn't get another female rock whiler because I'd
be comparing her to Pudgy, so I brought a male rockweiler.
He's he's about six weeks old now, is a great
little fellow. I called him Ronnie, Ronnie the Rothweiler, but
he is. He's got loads of food, loads of water,
he's had loads of exercise, loads of tickles now, but
for some reason he's still winging a little bit, so
you might he might be gett a little bit of
vocal every now and again, so I do apologize for that.
But he's a he's a great little fellow, but he's
very He's into everything basically, and when he gets a
bit bored, he starts to winge a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's all right, Yeah, you've got your hands full there.
Six weeks old. That's young to be bringing her mom.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I thought, vic, But they said
I got him from a qualified breeder who obviously breeds Rottwiler.
She's been doing it for a lot of years and
she basically I thought it was too young, but she
said basically, as long as he's on solid, solid food,
then they're good to go, but not before six weeks.
So he was basically six weeks so he's on solid food,
he's eating like a pig, to be fair, and she
said no some one because I actually asked her the
same question I did. To be fair, I did actually
google it and it does say that it's to pick
up a pubb he should be eight weeks unless he's
on solid foods, and once he's on solid foods, and
Google pretty much said the same thing. But so I'm
no expert. So yeah, so I picked up yesterday and
the typical rock whiler, very stubborn, won't listen to a
word I say, basically, just does what he wants. Yeah,
he's going to be great, but at the moment he's
just a little bit rock Willers aren't barky, shouty, sort
of not really loud dog. To be honest with you,
people get the wrong impression of him. They're usually quite quiet,
but at the moment he's still susting everything out. I
think obviously being away from his family, you know, his
mum and dad and his siblings is obviously a bit
of a shock for him. But he does seem genuinely happy.
He's not upset. He does seem happy. He's just I
don't know. I think he's just a bit too inquisitive
and he wants something to be happening all the time.
I think he's the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh Betty does, and for the most part, he's going
to be one causing things to happen before you know it. Yeah,
without a doubt, mate, you've got your hands full. There
are a lot of similarities marked between England and Australia,
but there are also a lot of differences was there
a lot of culture.
Speaker 1: Shock, Not really. It's obviously it's a different country as
long as you understand it's a different country, but it's
obviously English speaking country. The Australians, you know, lovely people,
very helpful, but you can't get anything done quick here.
You know, if you want something done to your car
in England, you get it done that day. You want
something done to your car in Australia, you're talking at
least a week. You know, especially places like w a Perth,
they don't keep any spares for cars. They actually have
to basically important from Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane or
something like that. You know, it's you can't get anything
done quick here. That's the main thing. And the Australians
are very laid back, which is which is a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing. In England
you're you're in a complete rat race, and over here
it's it's a lot more laid back, a lot more
chilled out. And yeah, it's good. It's it's yeah, it's
it's a lovely place. And it's like what I'm doing
now is like traveling around Australia. I think you can
get the UK into Australia. I think thirty two times.
I think I googled that a few years ago. So
and there's only a third of the population. So you
can drive I've driven sometimes for eight hours and not
even see another car going through the top of West
Western Australia and things like that. You know, so it's
very very remote. Some of the places you have to
you can't just get in your car and do what
I do. You actually have to do a bit of
homework into it, you know, make sure you've got I've
got a band cruise a trooper. I've got two fuel
tanks on it, so I can get about eight hundred
k's out of both tanks. And obviously when I am
down long distances, I obviously keep them filled up. I
even if I stop and I stop at servo recording
servos over here. But's the petrol stations, you know, even
if I only got to put fifty dollars, you know,
we will stop and put fifty dollars in because you
never know where the next one might be. Because and
even if you do get to another place, there's no
guarantee that they've even got any fuel with that remote
or they don't take cards, so you always keep cash
on you as well and things like that, you know,
So it's definitely doing what I'm doing is a lot different.
And every people unfortunately do die doing this because they
go out unprepared, especially into the outback. I've been into
the outback a lot a long time, sorry, and the
generally is that people don't tend to take enough water
and food with them because once you break down out there,
you know, there's no guarantee you're going to see anybody,
and even if you do, there's no guarantee they're going
to stop and help you either. So you need to
take plenty of food water. I mean. My last power
line job, I'm retired from the power lines now. I've
done that for about twenty nine years. My last job
was up at Herby, which is up a place called Broom,
which is the north of Western Australia. And there's an
old lady sitting by the side of the road and
me I was with this sparky, this young girl called Ashley.
She's a sparky up there, and we stopped and this
old lady she'd lost her husband. She's in an old
VW camp van. She was sold everything was driving around Australia,
just her, a dog and a budget and she has
sat on the this is like the main road, you know,
this is the main road in the in the top
of way and she sat there for two and a
half days. We have no car, wouldn't start forty five degrees,
no airck on, covered in flies, her a dog and
a budget and people were just driven past her. Not
many people, but some people had driven past us. One
guy stopped, he said he'd get help, and he never did,
and luckily we passed. And Ashley, who's from Derby, is
a good friend with a lady who runs the tow
truck place. So as soon as because once you get
out a little town, she don't have any phone signal,
like nothing at all, and so we managed. Once he
got back into phone signal, she found her friend who
then got a tow truck out there to help this lady.
But she'd been she was in her mid sixties, late sixties,
and she sat on the side of the road for
two and a half days. So you have to you
have to be careful, unstressed that enough. And also up
in this neck of the woods, obviously you've got your
salt water, crocodiles. I've done stupid things. Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying I'm perfect, you know, but I'm amazed
that other people aren't taken by them, if I'm honest,
because you do get a lot of tourists will actually
wade out to try and catch barralmundy, which is like
the main fish up here. I don't actually wide out
into water. It's this crocodile signs all over the place,
but people just seem to ignore them for some bizarre reason.
And yeah, and people sort of stop saying they get
out of the get out of the water. Haven't you
seen the signs? Have you seen crocodile dundee? That's what's
in these waters, you know what I mean, And things
like this, And so I was quite surprised. And it's
not more people actually killed by them, to be perfectly
honest with you. So you've got to understand that unlike England,
you know, we're not at the top of the food
chain up here, and they're obviously very optimistic they are
if they can get you. You know, you're just food
to them. You're not a human, You're just something to eat.
And if they're hungry, they will do their best to
stalk you and get you. And if you're in the
wrong place at the wrong time, you know, well they
also you get a decent sized one. You fifteen eighteen
foot you know they've got four half thousand PSI bite force.
You know you're not going to be getting away from
him anytime soon. So and once they got you, you know,
that's it. You're gone. They can't send police divers into
try and find the body or anything. They'll just go
and jam you under a rock or a lot lot.
Mick Dundee said, that's exactly what they do that jamming
under a rock, leave you for three or four days,
and come back later and meet you. And by that
time the search is off. So no body and that's it.
We've never seen again. And so you've got to understand that.
And we've got nine out of the ten of the
most deadliest snakes over here. As the other week, I
saw a western Taie band that's the second most poisonous
landslake on the planet. When I was giving in Perth.
You've got the tiger snakes one at least three or
four times a week. That's the fourth most poisonous landstake.
But you. You I'm not trying to put anyone off
from coming to Australia. The spiders, don't worry about them.
They're nowhere. Here is but as bad as people make out.
But it just gets to a point you just you
just can't let it worry you know. I mean, like
if you if you have your surfing, just don't go
out first thing in the morning and last thing at night.
That's when the sharks are hunting, you know, and things.
I'm not saying that you couldn't get taken during the day,
but you know, obviously there's always that that threat because
you're in there. You're in there their home, so it's
not it's not their fault if they decided to eat you.
You know, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and that's that's my view on it. But yeah, you
just just have to understand that. You know, when you
walk in your dog, don't walk through long grass if
you know there's tiger snakes about and things like that,
because they can sort of pretty much kill you in
about fifteen twenty minutes. But you just get used to
seeing them and you just don't let it worry you,
you know. I mean, it's a completely different country, but
you know, like England, it's an English speaking country. But
I love it. I wouldn't I wouldn't ever move back
to England. I love it here in Queensland. You know,
if you ever get the chance to come up here.
Obviously got the heat and the humidity because you're in
the tropics, but the place is just so beautiful and
they're very friendly, very helpful people up here as well.
They really are. They're they're lovely people. And I'm just
sitting here. I'm in a big six man tent looking
out over a bunch of mountains and it's like, I
think it's about thirty two thirty three degrees here at
the moment. Yeah, I'm loving life. I've got my stylink,
my battery pack, my solar panels, new Ai laptop, and
I'm running a part time the online business from here.
And yeah, I'm I'm a little puppy and yeah, I'm
just loving life. It's great. If anyone who gets the
opportunity to do what I'm doing, definitely do it.
Speaker 2: That's definitely a free way to live. But I don't
know how you do what they're mark I mean from
what I hear you've got sharks in the bathtub in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit of a misconception of that one.
When I first got to Australia, I was obviously concerned
about you know, red back spiders and snakes everywhere I
was going to perf so I knew there wasn't crocodiles.
But they obviously think about sharks and great white sharks.
They call them white pointers over here, but the same thing.
And but but yeah, you know, once once you're over
here for like a year, it's just like, don't worry
about it. You just there's another snake called the do guie.
I think that's the one that's the Aboriginal. It's an
Aboriginal world word for walk the long way around for
obvious reasons. And I've had them strike at my car
tires when I've actually been driving down the road and
things like that. It only happened to all three times.
But you know, they can be pretty aggressive as well.
The tiger snakes can be very aggressive. They actually chase you.
They're part of the cobra family. Try to avoid them.
But you just if you see why, you just don't
go near it, you know, And if you if you're
standing log, which you'll have been up in the north
of w A. The crocodiles tend to start about broom
and go straight away across to sort of probably probably
roughly where I am, a place called Gladstone and there
and above is basically where the crocodiles are. But when
you're fishing for barrel mundy down the creeks and in
the oceans and things like that, you know, when you're
fishing off the river's banks, now you just have to
be very careful. If you can't see what's in front
of you, you just don't go down there because you
don't know what could be there. You know, you just
have to be sensible. It's not something to be scared of.
You just have to have a bit of common sense,
you know what I mean. VI, But unfortunately some people
don't seem to possess that common sense. Isn't that common
as they say? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: No it's not. And it's a beautiful place, but yeah,
you have to be weary of your surroundings. Definitely. It
sounds like all right, Mark, please tell us about your encounter. Now,
give us a real last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Well, basically, what brought me to this phone call and
getting in touch with you. Was when I was in Australia.
Obviously in Australia, but I was working for a company
called Western Power, and the last eighteen months I was
with them, I was patrolling the power lines. Basically in
England you walk the lines over here, you drive them
because obviously it's a massive area to cover. So I
had a four wheel drive Navara and I was off
by myself as classed as observing, not working, so you
don't actually need to have anyone with you, and you're
basically four wheel driving like nine months of the year,
which is great fun. Don't get me wrong. I loved
every minute of it. And one day I was down
south of Perth, probably about a four hour four to
four and a half hour drive south of Perth in
a massive logging forest. I've had about sixty seventy towers.
It was one hundred and thirty two thousand vault line
we call them one free two line, and I was
patrolling that and you got a little tough book and
you're updating, trying to find faults and things like that
on the power lines. And I drove down this track
following this line it's really rough track, so you're lucky
if you can do five kilometers an hour. Most of
the time you're not eve going to do that. And
I went down there about sixty kilometers and there was
a road past the last tower, but unfortunately that was underwater.
I'm still even though there's a road there, I'm still
probably fifty kilometers from the nearest person. So I thought,
I checked the water. It's too deep. The forest down
there in summer's full of tiger snakes, so I've been told.
So I didn't really want to get out too much
and whatever, and I was certainly weren't going to go
into the undergrowth. So I managed to turn the car
around and I just stopped. It was about hart bust
ten in the morning. It was a beautiful morning, so
I turned the car around. I got out of the car.
My left hand had hold of the windows were down,
had hold of the door where the windows go up
and down, and all of a sudden, it was this
is all it is the weirdest thing. I was having
a lovely day, it was a beautiful place. It's one
of those days you're just glad to be alive, and
then all of a sudden, every hair on the back
of my every hair, and my body just went up
and and I don't know, I don't even know why.
And I didn't even feel scared. I felt terrified. And
I didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything, and
I just knew I had to leave. And I knew
if I was actually thinking I'm going to go in
there into I mean, it's not going to be a
human there. There's kangaroos there, it's not going to be that,
it's not going to be a tiger snake. There's certainly
there's not going to be any people there. I mean,
I'm in the middle of nowhere, you know. And I
couldn't let go of the door. My left hand, my
left hand just it just seemed to like seize up.
And I looked down the tree line of the track,
and there's a big tree, and I just knew whatever
it was was behind this tree. And this may sound insane,
but all of a sudden, the words bigfoot just popped
into my head. Now I'd obviously heard about bigfoot, I'd
never looked into it. All I knew is they were
big ape like things from America. That that's about my
knowledge really to be fair. But I just knew I
was going to die. I just knew whatever it was here,
if I went into that tree line, I'm not coming
back out again. So and my left arm wouldn't let
go of the door anyway, So and then it was
really weird. I jumped back in the car and I
started driving. Obviously I can only go maximum five kilometers
an hour, and I didn't look to the left or right.
I just kept me on because I didn't want to
whatever it might have been, I didn't want to upset it.
So I just drove the best I could, as fast
as I could out of there. And I remember thinking
that everything, the birds, the crickets, everything just stopped, like
someone just turned the volume down. And I remember think,
and once I actually got out of there, there's a
good forty five minutes hour drive just to get back
to the main track, and I just remember everything has stopped.
And I remember they said in the Amazon that when
the jaguars are about, everything stops. Obviously it's the alpha
predator down there, or the Apex predator or whatever. Anyway,
I got back to the hotel and I just googled
bigfoots in Australia and it comes up with this yowi.
Now I'd never heard of a yowi, but there's allegedly
cave drawings from the Aboriginals from thousands of years ago,
and that I thought, my god, it must have been that.
But what had done was it brought back. It brought
back this thoughts and feelings of what happened to me
when I was sixteen years old, and I didn't speak.
I didn't speak about this for thirty six years. And
after I sort of looked into these yowis and things
like that, and I started looking into dog men or
I thought that's just called a werewolf. But basically what
it was VIC was one night I was sixteen, I
had my best friend Toby and my other friend Neil
with us, and I come from this little place where
one house near two miles from a place with Stow Market,
and halfway between Stow Market and one house, the street
lights stop, so you got basically your water. I mean
we walked at a million times, you know. So you
get to this place called Stowe Lodge, which is an
old workhouse they're renovated into flats and that now I think,
But once you get there, you've then got basically a
mile of no street lights and country and a country
road basically, and me and my friend, my friend Neil
was driving. I was in the passenger seat and my
friend Toby was sitting behind Neil. Toby's my best friend.
He's two years older than me. And as we was driving,
our friend Neil said, get down, get down, because where
you understand something. I don't know what it's like in America,
but in England, all we do is take the mickey
out of each other when we grow it up. You know,
you go to work, you take the micky all day,
then you go home. That's all the English tend to do.
Where world class mickey takers. I can't say the normal
word that we'd usually use, but we'll say mickey takers basically.
So we got down once he said he get back
up again now and he said, our friend Guy was
walking just into the darkness basically from the street lights.
He's obviously walking home because he's from one house as well.
So we as we he said, well we'll skire out
of him, which obviously we're all going to do. So
we drove into one house and just as you go
past the sign is another friend of ours called Jonathan Rose.
His house is on the right hand side, and opposite
him is the entrance to a field. So we parked
our car in there and we jumped over a little
a fence, sorry a gate, and then we turned left
and then sprinted down this cornfield. If you can imagine
that we're sprinted on my friend Neils. Next you got
the road. Then you've got a massive tree line, probably
about fifty to sixty foot wide, and the trees are
probably about one hundred eighty to one hundred foot tall.
And Neil's running next to the tree line, and there's
combine harvested tracts in the cornfield. So there's Neil, then
there's Toby, and then there's me, and we're Me and
Toby are running down combine harvest attracts. Neil's running down
the tree line and we get down to the corner
and there's a corner. Neil hides behind a tree there.
Me and Toby jumped down about six foot down the
embankment onto the road, run over the road and then
going hide into the cornfield the other side. And we
sit there waiting and I, you know this is a
true story, you know, I look up and it's a
full moon, and it's one of those nights there's not
a cloud in the sky, there's no wind. You know,
you could have heard a that far from one hundred
yards away. It's an absolutely beautiful night. So we sitting
there waiting, like giggling, like a bunch of school girls.
And then every sudden here guy walking up the road.
And then once he gets up like near us, like
Toby and Neil don't start doing anything. You remember, I'm
sixteen years older, and that sounds very childish by many,
sixteenth and we always, like say, we're always trying to
have a laugh at each other. And Toby and Neil
don't do anything. So I start growling at him. I
start shaking the corn. I'm about probably twenty feet into
the cornfield ten fifth, about fifteen twenty feet to the
cornfield year and funny enough, guy turns about of growls back.
I mean, if I was, I would have been terror
I don't want have been I would have been absolutely
terrified anyway, So I start growling louder. I start like
on my hands and knee, start coming through the corn
at him, you know, like an idiot, as you do
when you're a child. And next thing, he's off, you know,
Usain Bolt when they caught him. And he's a short,
chubby guy, you know. So he's off. So me and
Toby are up. We're running, get onto the road, jump
up the embankment. Neil still behind this big tree and
we start running up the field. So I'm in one
combine harvested track, Neil's sorry, Toby's in another one. And
then there was running up the tree line again and
we're sprinting and as we get a lot halfway up
the halfway up the field. Yeah, I'm laughing here and
I think, oh my god, he must be terrified. I
know I'd be absolutely terrified anyway, all of a sudden,
at the end of my track there's a there's a
there's a hedge and you'll only small hedge they maybe
ten feet tall. And I noticed the silhouette of something
standing there and I'm sprinting towards it, and I've suddenly
stopped laughing and whatever, and I'm just like, what on
earth is that? That's what I couldn't even work out
what it was. By this point, I'm probably about fifty
forty fifty feet from it, so I didn't notice it
to start with, really, and it was he. It was
facing the road where guy was. Basically, now I'm sprinting.
To my right is Toby, and then to the right
of him is Neil. I'm probably twenty feet from Toby.
Neil's probably twenty feet from Toby, and I'm sprinting towards
this thing. And I mean, all of a sudden, I
just get like this, the same thing that happens in
the south of w A and this in this logging forest.
All of a sudden, I just I don't feel scared,
I feel terrified, and the same feelings just came rushing back. Well,
that's the first time I felt it. I mean, happened
again when I was down in the south of w
Way and all I wanted to do was turn around
and running opposite direction. That's all I wanted to do.
But I just knew if I did, I'd be in
that field by myself. And I just didn't and I
didn't want that. And I looked to my right and
I can see Toby's like is in power level with me,
and the Niel's in power level Toby. We're basically in
a line, basically sprinting up this field and then I
look around and this thing had then turned around, and
now it was looking the opposite direction, down to our
local pub, which is called the Sheppard Door, and a
sort of down a bit of a hill, so it
actually turned around. That's looking the opposite direction. And I'm
sprinting at this thing, and I don't know what. I
don't mind, I don't mind them anything. I don't know
what to do. I'm just sprinting. I know, I don't
want to be by myself in the middle of this field,
so I am just sprinting at this thing. I don't
know what it is. If i'd had any if I
had actually been thinking clearly, I would have turned right
round through the corner and got beyond Toby to be
at least i'd have got him first, you know what
I mean. But I just didn't even that didn't even
end them my head. And I'm just sprinting at this thing,
and I got within about but I don't know what
to do. I'm in a total state of confusion. This
thing is standing there, it's looking at me, and I
just I don't know what to do. I just keep
sprinting at it. I just knew I didn't want to
be by myself and I got with it about twenty
foot of this thing, and it just took off down
this hill, thank God. And I'll be honest with you,
a vic a greyhound whn't caught up with this thing.
This thing was off like I had a rocket something
like I had a rock up its backside. It was
gone and I didn't as far as I can recall,
it didn't make any sound. And basically what it was
it was a six foot tall on all fours German shepherd.
It had the long ears. It was looking at me.
I don't see like the side on profile of I
didn't know how wide it was or how muscular it
was or anything like that. I just saw the side
on the view of it. It was looking at me.
It didn't have red glowing eyes or whatever. It didn't
have like, you know, six foot fangs dripping with blood
or anything like that. It's just a six foot tall
German shepherd. Its front legs were longer than its back legs,
so it's sort of it came down the back came
down at an angle, sort of like a hyena. I
can remember because it was a very very bright night.
It was a full moon. The moon was basically above us,
so we see sort of pretty much everything. It had long, brown,
matted sort of hair that it was like scraggly looking
hair like I've been dragged through a head sort of thing.
And on five five foot eleven and a half, so
I'm just under six foot and this thing could have
looked me straight in the eyes and as on all fours.
And I didn't know what to do. I you know,
I just I didn't know. I think if it happened again,
I would probably carry on sprinting now, so I wouldn't.
It's just one of those things, you know. I just
just this this terror, this adrenaline, I don't know what
you want to call it. And I just I didn't
know what to do. So it ran off. Thank god,
I got to the where it had been, and then
we turned right to then run back to the car.
Now I'm as we run back to the car and
think that I'm just it's my imagination. Don't be stupid.
These things don't exist. So we got back into the
car and we drove around because reason I try and
catch up with guys, say, ah, we got your sort
of thing, you know. But by this point he's been
running that quick. But you know, for a fact, kid,
you could run pretty quickly. He's already he's already at home.
So then my friend Toby said, Neil said, I'm going
to go home now, and Toby said, come, I come
around mine for a cup of tea. So I said,
r okay, swimming for a cup of tea. And Toby's
making the tea. We're sitting there, we're laughing, and I'm
just thinking himself, just forget about it. Don't think about it.
Just forget about it. It's you. It's not what you think.
You know, you know, and I know what I saw,
but come on, it's a ridiculous idea. So we sat
down and me and Toby are sitting there talking that.
Toby's a lovely person. He has been my best friend for
so many years. We have sort of lost contact now,
but we're friend's best friends for a long time, for decades.
He's one of those guys that doesn't lie about anything.
If he does lie to you, you know, a minute
later he's apologizing for it. You know. He's just a
real lovely, beautiful person, real nice guy. And we're sitting
there having a laugh, and then all of a sudden
We're sitting offsite each other at the kitchen table, and
he just says, he looked me dead in the eyes.
He says, are we going to talk about it then?
And as soon as he said that, I knew what
he's on about. But I'm not going to give anything away.
I don't know. I just I was still in a
bit of a state confusion. I think, vic to be
honest with you, And he said, I know you saw it,
he says, because you was running straight at it, he says,
and I saw it as well. He says. Neil didn't
see it because Neil was looking through the tree lined guy.
He says, I know he never saw it. And trust me,
Neil was a bit of a blackbomout lovely guy, but
a bit of a blab of mouth. He would have
definitely said something. And he said, but I know you
saw it. He says, what was it? And then I thought,
I can't not say anything now, and I just looked.
I was looking at He's looking me square in the eyes,
looking in square, and the eye said, I don't know, Toby.
I said, I think I know, but that's insane. And
we sat there for the next hour and a half
drinking cups of tea. And we went through every animal
that we think it could have been. And when we
went from horses to cows, to deer to foxes field,
now we went rabbits, you name it. We went through everything, dogs,
you name it. Everything. There's no cows in our area.
There's no horses in our area. There is deer in
our area, but that's probably about two miles away near
the dual carriageway. You'd probably call them a freeway, but
they're all fenced in to stop poachers getting them. And
it wasn't we We've seen hundreds of deer, you know,
there wasn't a deer. And we went through everything that
could have been and there is nothing. It looked like
a German shepherd, but it wasn't a German shepherd. German
shepherds don't get that big. And we went through everything
that could have been and that we'd watched the film. Obviously,
the American Wealth in London, we all saw that because
there's a girl called Julie who lived in our village.
And there's a scene at the end when it's running
around cars and have a in Piccadilly circus and a
car hits the side of a double decker bus and
a blood shot out of the window and then gets
his head run over by a car. Well, her stepdad
was actually the stunt man who done that. So we
obviously all saw it more because she sort of talked
us into it. But we want to see it anyway,
because we were kids. We thought we enjoyed being scared,
but we didn't be fair. We just been trying to
be tough, but we weren't, you know. And and we
saw to film The Howling obviously that came out a
few years later, I think, And it wasn't anything like
the American Wealth in London this thing, and we just
came to the conclusion it was the were wolf off
the film The Howling. And that's exactly what it looked like.
It looked like the were wolf off the film to Howl.
And we both came to the same conclusion. It was
nothing that we had seen, we'd never seen before, and
that's what it was. And we both said there. I said, well,
shall I go and get my dad, You get your
dad up, we'll get some torches and go and look
for it or something. So I don't know what to do,
And he said Mark. He said, no one is going
to believe us, you know, and which I knew. We're
going back to nineteen eighty seventy. No one is going
to believe it word we're saying, so we decided not to.
But Toby did say something a bit concerning. I should say,
is the word is what would have happened to Guy
if we hadn't done that? Because it was facing the
direction where Guy would have been walking, did you see
what I mean? So it would have been going in
his direction and they could have potentially met. So sometimes
you want know, maybe God intervened here or something and
sent us down to wind him up to save his
life or something. Maybe I don't I don't know. But
then after that, I said, do you think we should
get get our dad's up and go and try and
find it and whatever? But he just said, look, Mark,
no one's going to believe us, and that's the truth.
No one would believe us. So I never spoke about
this thirty six years until this thing happened to me
in way, and then I started looking into it, and
then I just put were wolf's sight. I've never even
heard of a dog man. I just assume it's called
a were wolf and I just put in where Wolf
Sightings UK and it came up with your YouTube channel,
so I clicked on there and then I clicked on
the actual page thing and instead of trying to go
through that like the hundreds of testimonies you've got, I
just put in UK sightings or something like that, and
I came up with one and there was a guy
and I think it was episode four hundred, and I
listened to his and has him and his brother and
his best mate got chased out of a forest by
a big black one and their best friend. And that
was a year I think it was a year before
me and Toby had our sighting. But the thing that
sort of creeped me out the most was the fact
that where they were put only fifteen to twenty miles
from where we had our sighting, so it was very
close proximity to where they had their sighting. And of
course that really got me thinking, well, you know, maybe
there's more around there, Maybe people just aren't talking about it.
Maybe I'm not too sure, but it seems a bit.
I mean obviously saw a big black one where we
saw were a light brown in the in the sunlight,
sort of looked in the sorry in the moonlight, it
looked a bit gingery, to be fair, but it was
definitely a sort of light brown color. That's you know,
Matt hair and everything. So yeah, so I listened to
him and I thought, well, yeah, maybe I should phone
you up or get in get in contact with you
and just tell you my story. Really, because if they
saw one there, there's a few gentlemen up in I
think Yorkshire. I actually got in contact with one a
few months later, but then I was actually moving house,
so I sort of sort of spoke to him, text
him a few times. He texted me back a bit
and I told him my story and that and that's
what at the end of it, because I was too
busy selling my house and everything like this. But yeah,
so we're obviously not not the only ones to have
seen something in that area, basically, and that sort of
prompted me to sort of get in contact. And once
I heard that, for what, I'll give you a bell
and I'll give you a get in contact with you
and see what you think. Now, I'll be honest with you, Vig.
I don't believe people turn into walls and how at
the moon and the people I really don't. But then again,
I'm not saying it can't exist. You know, there's stranger
things out there than what we know, so I'm not
saying that it can't happen. And one of them there
was a really creepy thing that happened to me. I
was up in broom when I'm traveling. There's me and
Pudgy in it. And I've got to know guy called Tony.
He's five years older than he's he's fifty eight, and
he travels around Australia. He is a chippy. He just
does work. He finds a nice little place, lives on
the campsite, finds work because you can do that over here, he
said in England. You can't really do that in England.
In Australia's such a big place, and up in these
places they can't really find the labor, you know. So
people can do that. People do that lot for decades,
you know. And he told me something, and I said,
I'll tell you a story. And I told him the
story I just told you, and he actually said, which
I've never heard before. And I know if anyone else
who listens to this, whether they can verify this. But
in Australia with the film The American Wealth in London
where the two lads, well one of them gets ripped
apart and the other one gets scratched up and whatever.
He actually reckons that's actually a true story, and they
actually heard about that in Australia. And he said, yeah,
that's actually true. And I said, what he said, that's
actually a true story. I said, now, it's a film.
He says, no. He says, did you hear about it?
I'm like, no, never heard anything about it. We never
heard anything about it in England anyway, Well I never
I never did. And he said, yeah, over here there
was actually a case of these two American lads who
got torn apart by a were wolf in England, and
they actually heard about it in Australia. But I say,
I we never heard anything like that in England. So
whether some of these people on your podcast are saying
that there's a government cover up because he said that, well,
we certainly heard about it over here, that these these
two lads have been ripped apart by a were wolf.
I say, I never heard. I never heard that in England.
So maybe maybe there is a cover up. I'm not
too sure, but yeah, so that's that's pretty much much
already there Vic. And it is, like I say, I'm
not I don't believe in were wolves, but I'm not
saying that they don't exist. You know, people believe that
you couldn't run the four minute miles or someone done it,
you know what I mean. So it's who's to say
that there isn't wear wolves out there or dog man
as you call them. You know, there's a there's I
remember there's an insects I saw on something they've done.
It's the scientific experiment where they put his insects that
can't fly onto a plant and then they didn't feed
the plant at all, and within about two weeks, all
these insects actually changed their biology, grown wings and flew
to the plant that was still alive. So I mean,
if an insect can do that, then I don't see
there's any reason biologically why a human can't do. It's
just we don't understand it. So I'm not saying that
there there is and there isn't. But but yeah, it was.
It was besides that time in the fire trus it
was the most terrifying thing in my life. I just
I didn't know what to do. I honestly, people say
I want you run over to Toby and things that
I just I didn't even didn't even end to my head,
did not even ender my head. But one thing I
should have done, on hindsight, well me and Toby should
have done, was the next stage. We should have gone
down and looked for tracks. But that didn't even enter
our head. I think that's what we should have done,
to be honest with you, but we obviously we didn't
even it was. We just decided we're not going to
tell anybody, and we never did. We kept a secret
until I say, till this thing happened to me. That's
the only time. Then after I started, I was in
my Oh, this was probably so I got there fortyes,
I was probably about forty six. By this point, you
get to a stage in life we don't really care
what people think of you anyway, and I'll explain and say, yeah,
this is what this is what we saw. Wasn't just
me and my best friends or I don't believe me
in us up to you, but this is what we saw.
So I don't mind talking about it anymore, you know.
But I didn't speak about it for thirty six years.
And yeah, once I heard what this other gentleman said,
you know, from Ipswich, that sort of, I thought, well,
maybe it's time to actually come forward and to say, look,
this is what we saw, you know, and you know,
maybe it might save someone's life or something. I don't know,
but I genuinely believe. I mean, my pudgy, she was
sixty kilograms. She's a big girl. I mean, sometimes if
she's trying to chase I'd never let her, never let
her off the lead. She's a rescue dog, so I
couldn't le off the LEAs she didn't like her. She's
great with people, great with kids and that, but she
just didn't like other animals. And sometimes she'd be trying
to chase a kangaroo or a wallaby or things like that.
And I'm ninety between ninety and ninety three kilos. I'm
pretty strong for my size. I've done physical work my
whole life, and sometimes I take every answer strength for
me just to hold her back. She's that powerful. And
she's a very muscular, God breast her. She's a very
muscular dog and everything. So if you think you've got
an animal out there, probably at least four to six
times per size. I think it ran off because it
felt outnumbered. I don't know if I had claws, like
I had hands and claws what some people say. I
don't know if I had anything like that. But I
think it could have quite easily killed the three of us,
that's my opinion, if it wanted to. And if I
had been in there by myself, then now I wouldn't
to a chance. I'd probably stand more of a chance
for an eighteen foot saltly than this thing, you know
what I mean. It was like some people say, they
seem where they're standing like eight nine ten foot tall.
If this thing was standing on his back legs, then yeah,
I would say it's probably nine foot. It would have
been around that mark. I would think lots. I never
saw us hands, I don't have had claws or whatever. Well,
I've never seen an animal move that fast. I say
a greyhound would have kept up with But once that went,
that went, that was that was God in seconds, you know.
And that's another reason why I wasn't really going to
say anything. You're like, well, I must have imagined it,
but everyone until Toby said that he saw it, you know,
I thought, well, well, well that wasn't my imagination. That
was actually a real thing. So you do obviously start
second guessing yourself and start questioning yourself when you see
something that you don't think exists. But yeah, and that's
really the story of what we saw, you know, Vic, Yeah,
that's about it, really mate.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot to put on the shoulders of
a sixteen year old or anyone at any age for
that matter. And I'm not sure if you knew it
or not, but there actually are a dog man reports
of eyewitnesses seeing them on the moors in England. Did
you know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until I started looking into it.
I didn't even know what a dog man was. And
I remember there's a guy I can't think of his
name now, not the guy I sort of got in
contact with, but another one, and he saw one. He
said it looked like the one out of the American
Wealth in London. He lives up in Yorkshire. I think
it's on the main road between one of the main
roads between like Huddersfield and Doncaster or somewhere, and he
saw one up there on the moors. And I've worked
up there before on the power lines. So it's all
Moors up there. You know, I definitely believe in the
Beast of Bodening because they're just black panthers that were
let loose in the nineteen sixties or fifties, I think,
So I know they're definitely about there's definitely black pantherscis.
This is down in Devon and Cornwall, and I would
imagine there's things like that up there. But I mean,
after what he saw, I mean, there's no way that's
a black panther. You're talking about something huge, you know,
and like the one we saw wasn't anything like that,
like he saw one like the American Wealth in London
where we saw one that was just like the one
out of the Howling, you know. So if I can't,
I just don't see why anyone would lie about this.
You know, we're not trying to get any money out
of it. We're not trying to you know, most people
don't even want to give their name, so it's not
like people actually try to become famous or whatever. So
they must be seeing something, you know. So yeah, yeah,
So that's when I really started looking into it, and
that's when I'm sort of really started to deciding, you know,
maybe I should sort of get in contact with someone
which turned out to be you and tell you my
story and you know, we'll just let people know that.
You know, they're not just in Yorkshire, they're in East
Anglia and that as well, probably in Norfolk and places
of that as well, as you don't get to you
don't obviously get to see them very often. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's that's sort of really bad it on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, these things are all over They definitely are.
And it's hard to play the glad game when it
comes to a dog mean encounter, but we can still
play it when it comes to yours, like you just
alluded to. Thank goodness, the one that you saw, you
basically came face to face with it. Thank goodness that
one didn't look like the one from an American World
Wolf in London. Thank goodness it looked the way it did.
Speaker 1: Instead, if that looked like the American Way Off in London,
I honestly don't know what I would have done. I'll
be honest with you. If that looked like that thing
out of that film, I think I would have turned
around and ran in the opposite direction. I honestly do.
I don't think because it looked like a German shepherd,
I could have sort of I could identify it with that,
do you know what I mean? But if it looked
like something like what this gentleman said he saw, which
he obviously did, you know, then I don't know what
I would have done, and I think Toby would have
done the same. I think we had just turned around
and just sprinted and just hoped for the best. I
really do. I don't think we would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
There's no way I would have carried on running at it.
Let me put it that way. No way in a
million years, because that thing off the American Wealth from
London is blooming terrifying. But I do know one thing.
If you google images of the were wolf off the
film The Howling, there's a picture of the guy and
the lady I think he actually made that that were wolf,
and there's a picture of them standing next to it,
and they're standing on two legs, whereas one we saw
was on all fours. If that thing was standing, if
on one we saw stand on two legs, that's identical
to what we saw, long, scraggly hair, looked like a
German shepherd. That's that's that is what we saw basically,
except it wasn't standing on two legs, but that is
that is what we saw. And yeah, yeah, that's that's
definitely what we saw. I'm not sad I believe in
where wolves an act, but I'm not saying that they're
not real either, But that is that is the thing
that we saw. Mark.
Speaker 2: It sure does make you wonder when you consider the
fact that some in the eyewitnesses have reported that the
dog men they saw looked like the dog men over
here from an American werewolf in London, from every werewolf
movie basically, So it makes you wonder maybe there is
something to this idea that producers that Hollywood knows something
that we wouldn't have thought they knew.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that well after this gentleman Tony
in Broom told me that they say that that he
said that that was actually a real thing that happened
to them to American guys. That makes you wonder, like,
where do they get the idea at that time to
come out with a werewol film that looks exactly like that,
do you know what I mean? So it makes you wonder,
really because allegedly I don't know anything about this story,
but this gentleman Tony did. He told me all about it.
So it makes you wonder why all of a sudden
they came out with this American Wealth in London film,
when two American backpackers have been ripped apart on the
moors in Yorkshire and we never heard about it. I
didn't hear anything about it in England. So it does
make you wonder where they come up with these ideas.
Why were all of a sudden, you know, if Tony
is correct, that happened, you know, and then a few
years later the American Wealth in London comes out. Is
basically it's not it didn't run around London, you know,
and whatever. But what the original plot is of them
to because them two backpackers getting torn apart, you know,
it comes up with that item. It seems a bit
a bit coincidental really when you think about it. So
I think, if if there is such a thing, then
I would think that other people in the government would
probably know about this sort of thing. You know, if
that got out, you know that there is these things,
and then you know you're not going to be leaving
your house after dark. Euy. If you're living in these places,
let's be honest, you know. And but I say, if
I if what we saw was like the American Wealth
in London, then there is no way I'd have been
running at it. I would have taken my chance to
turn around and running. And I know for a fact
Toby would have as well. He wouldn't have ran at it,
or he wasn't running, but he was twenty foot to
my right. I was running straight at it, so I'm
pretty sure he'd have turned around and ran as well.
But I think it's because we could actually look at
it and say, yeah, it looks like a German shepherd.
But massive one, you know, is why I kept running
at it, you know. And but yeah, it's it's it was.
It was horrendo when it happened, but but yeah, yeah,
it's it's just it's just one of those things. Whether
I'll get to the bottom of it or not, I
don't know. But that's what we saw, Vick. You know,
I'm not going to see him and an about it.
You know, people could laugh at me, people are gonna
take the mickey or do whatever. I don't really care.
But you know, that's what we saw, you know, So yeah.
Speaker 2: You're right, that's what you saw on That's all there
is to it. And thank goodness that it didn't play
out so that you did turn around and bought the
opposite direction. If you would have done that, I could
understand it. But yeah, thank goodness that didn't happen. That's
not how it played out. You said it looked like
a six foot tall German shepherd as it was standing there.
If it was that tall and off for us, though,
how long would you say it was?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're probably talking cool. I reckon length? Why seven
or eight seven? At least seven or eight feet long.
I never noticed the tail though, I can never recall
seeing a tail, but I'm saying seven or eight feet long. Definitely, Yeah, definitely.
I never got I never got a frontal view of it,
so I couldn't say see how like broad it was,
how muscular it was. I never saw anything like that.
I only saw when it's looking at the road. I
saw it side on, and when it turned around, I
saw it side on. But so I got, I'm not
really sort of looking for muscles and claws and things
like that because I just don't know what to do.
You know, It's that sort of things sortready thinking about
it at the time. So but yeah, I'm saying I
would say I was. I would say it's probably at
least seven to eight foot long, I would think. But
its front legs were a lot longer than his back
legs though, so it's more, you know, is his shoulders
were a lot taller than that.
Speaker 2: It's you know what I mean, Oh sure, yeah, that's
a normal future for these things. You talked about this
whole government side of dog mean encounters. I've spoken with
eyewitnesses from every continent except for Aantarctica, and it seems
to me like the US government is definitely paranoid when
it comes to these things. But if you think the
US government's paranoid, it seems to me like the government
over in England is especially paranoid about this getting out
of the bag. So it doesn't surprise me that you
hear of fewer and fewer encounters with these things getting
out over there than they do over here. It seems
like they're really stringent on squashing all that.
Speaker 1: Well, well, man, if they can hear about this thing
in Australia and we never heard about it in England,
then they must be Well I was really shocked when
he told me this, When Tony said, I mean I
was really shocked before one. I can't be right, surely,
but they they must have kept that right under wraps.
They really must have done. I say, not no one
as far as I'm aware, because trust me, we would
have talked about it. We probably me and Toby wouldn't
have said what we saw. I don't think we saw
of just said there's no point saying anything to anyone,
which is what we've done. We just me and Toby
never spoke about it again. But I mean, if we'd
actually heard that two hikers had been ripped apart by
a were wolf, we would definitely would have come forward then,
because we had come forth and said, well, this is
what we saw. We didn't see the American wealth in London,
but we saw the film of the werewolf, off the
film The Howling. You know, we would definitely have come forward,
so the government or whatever, if what Tony's saying is true,
we would definitely have come forward. We would have had to.
You know, we'd had too much that had been on
our conscious, too much, our conscience too much, not wanting
anyone else to get killed. And even if people were
going to take the mickey out of us and everything
like that, then yeah, we would have definitely come forward.
But we never heard anything. But they heard about it
in Australia, so I think that must be a bit
of a government cover up there. I would think if
what Tony's saying is correct, which there's no reason for
him to lie. I mean, he's not gonna lie about it,
because what would be the point. You know, he's got
no reason to lie. So it wouldn't surprise me in
the slowest if it's true, It would not surprise me
in the slightest. You can't trust the governments for anything anyway. Vic,
Let's be honest with you. All. They wanted your money
and own and control everything, so you know why not
that as well?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure they did sweep
it under the rug. In thank goodness that you didn't
run a foul of them because of coming out with
what happened to you. So that's another way we complete
the glad game. Considering the fact your encounter happened thirty
six years ago, Mark, have you come to terms with
it by now or are you still compromised by it?
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Vic, Once me and Toby
decided not to talk about it, it didn't bother me.
It really didn't. Maybe I was at compartmentalized to where
you call I can't think of the word now, and
put it to the back of my mind and I
never really thought about it again. And to be honest
with you, because the Shepmland Dog is right where we
saw we saw it on one side of the hedge.
On the other side of the hedge is a little
a little muddy path going down to Shepland Dog Pub
and I walked down there a hundred times by myself
at night, and not once did I ever think about it.
And this was I did start walking down there, probably
till three or four years later, to be fair, but
I sort of pretty much blowed it out of my
mind really until this happened. This thing happened in Wa
in Western Australia, so I saw basically sort of forgot
about it. But then again, you know, you've got to
understand something big as well. I've listened to quite a
few of your episodes where you know, some of these
poor people they're getting chased by one and they get
their dog ripped apart in front of them and you know,
things like that. So I mean, we didn't have that
like traumatic experience. You know, I didn't kill one of us,
It didn't kill one of our dogs or actually have dogs.
But I mean, so some of these people that you
haven't here obviously have a massive traumatic experiences with these things,
which we didn't. So I think that was quite easy
for us to just forget about it. But I mean,
if we'd seen that sort of tear and you know,
a dog apart. So I had a dog, you know,
like pudge you back in them days or something, and
that ripped her apart in front of me, you know,
I'm not going to leave the house at night ever again,
to be honest with you. You know, So it never
really affected me that way because all I've done, all
I've done was saw it and watch it run off
and couldn't I know, I just didn't know what it was,
you know what I mean. So but nothing really traumatic.
It was traumatic obviously because I didn't know what it was,
but it wasn't like a traumatic experience where I saw
it hurt someone or something something like that, where obviously
with some of some of the people that you have
on your show. I mean, that must be absolutely horrendous,
some of the things they must go through. And to
be honest with you, if I was in their position,
I probably wouldn't leave the house again, and I would
be paranoid about it, you know, if I saw something
like that, and then me and Toby, to be fair,
if we if we did have a dog, for instance,
and I did do that, I think no one would
have shut us up. We would have said, look, this
is what we saw, this is what it's done. Get
hold of the police. What are you going to do
about it? You know, we've got to find it, you know.
So we would have definitely become very vocal then. But
all we did is saw it vic so it didn't
really affect us that way, so we could forget about it,
if if that makes any sense, you know. But I say,
until this thing happened in the in the forests over here,
it's only when once that happened that brought back all
them old thoughts and feelings. I hadn't really I hadn't
really thought about it, and I told a few people
and things like that. I mean, you know, they they
they sort of pacify, but you know they're thinking, yeah, whatever,
you know what I mean. So which, to be fair,
if I was in their position, i'd probably I think
the same, you know, I'm not. You know, that's probably
what I would be thinking as well, to be honest
with you. But that's what we saw it, you know.
And but I say it wasn't a massively over traumatic experience.
But I'll say, some of these people that you have
on here, you know, it's trying to break into your house.
You know, it's toll your dog apart. You know, it's
chasing you down the road when you're doing seventy miles
an hour in a car. You know, we didn't have
that experience, you know. But for these poor people that
did have them experiences, I don't know what i'd have done.
I would have been I would definitely be thinking about
it a lot differently, let me put it that way
to the way I do now or I have done
since it happens, you know, So it was I think
it was quite easy for me and Toby to forget in,
you know, in my opinion, you know, but that's that's
basically what we've done. Yeah, And I was say, until
that thing happened down in the logging forest, that's when
it really sort of came back and thought, well, maybe
I should just look into obviously we didn't have the
internet back in them days, you know. And then I
end up obviously finding your things and started listening to them,
and I thought, these two brothers saw one fifteen twenty
miles from us, and that was during the day. I mean,
this was on a full moon. You know, it was
very bright night as well. There's no clouds in the sky,
weren't a breath of wind. Is a really beautiful night,
and yeah it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good you realize that your encounter was definitely
on the benign side when it comes to dog me
and encounters, and thank goodness it was, because as you realize,
it definitely gets a lot worse than that. It really does.
Speaker 1: Oh, some of some of these people I've heard on
your podcast, I'm like, my god, you how do these
people even carry on living there? To be honest with you,
I mean, I had no choice. I was succeeed live
with my mom and dad, you know. But you know,
some of these people, they're over than me on your podcast.
I mean, some of these experience they've had and they
carry on living in the same place. Knowing there's something
out there, and they done it to their dog, who's
going to be next them? Do you know what I mean?
Because you can do that to a decent sized dog,
it can quite easily do it to a human. I mean,
I honestly think that. I mean, if you I say
said before, I mean, you know I've got Pudgey there,
you're talking about something maybe five six four five six
times the size of her. Yeah, that could have killed
the three of us easy. We wouldn't stood a chance.
We wouldn't have stood a chance against something like that,
you know, the three of us against that, No, not
a chance. You know, we had a massive head on it,
big ears. Yeah, you know, we wouldn't. We wouldn't. But unfortunately,
I think it must have felt that it was outnumbered
and decided to run for it, you know. So you know,
but some of these other people on your podcasts, you know,
I don't know how they continue living where they do.
I really don't. I take my house to them, you know,
And that's that's the truth. You know, they got better
men and women than I am. You know, I certainly
wouldn't be staying there again. You know, I'll be moving
as quick as I could anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, and understandably so, make no mistake about it.
That dogged me knew full well that it could have
just taken all three of you out without a second thought.
It didn't run because it was frightened. It knew full
well it could have dispatched all of you without a thought.
But why it ran, I don't know. Maybe just to
get out of your sight. Who knows for sure why
it did that. But trust me when I tell you,
like I said, it knew full well that you didn't
pose any threat to it, and that's a fact. But
having said that, Mark, it's about time for us to
get out of here. But before we do, definitely clothes
in comments you'd like to share.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just there's things out there that we don't
know about, you know, we you know, we think we're
this clever race of people and things like that, but
we're not really, let's be honest. Mean, we can't even
build the pyramide, you know. I mean, with all our
so called technology. There's things out there. I mean, I've
got a friend of a guy I used to work
with on Western Power called Neville. He's retired now. He's
as from West Australia. He's only ever less left Western
Australia once. And you do get a lot of that
over here in Australia. I've met people who've never left,
you know, they're in their sixties and seventies, never left Queensland,
you know, and Northern Territory in Wa in places like this,
so you do get a lot of people like that.
And he, him and his best friend, he grew up
in Perth and basically besides going on holiday once abroad,
he's never left the state. I think he's one till
he is in in his fifties. He actually got a passport,
you know. But him and his mate, they were his
mate had a tinny we call him Tinney's. They're like
a little tin boat what they call him tinnees over here,
and there's like ten ten fifteen foot ten I think
twelve foot teny something like that. And they went fishing
just off Perth. There's a there's an island called Rottenss,
really beautiful island. A lot of tourists go there now and
they are about twenty miles past down a really nice
calm dave fishing. And Neville was a lovely old boy
he's a real nice person. And I never said anything
about this. I never talked to it. He says, this
is before anything happened. Before I'd totally forgotten about it.
And evenough I did remember, I certainly want to be
talking about it. So this was long before this thing
happened down south of w A and all this love.
And he said to me one day, he said, Neville
and his mate were out on their fishing boat, on
his mate's fishing boat, and they saw a fin of
a shark. And then he said, this fin was about
eight ft out of the water, and he said, you
could see the tail. He says, it was the same fish.
You could see it was the same fish. And he
said it's probably about fifteen meters apart between the thin
and the tail. See you're talking fifty a yeah, probably
about fifty fifty to fifty five feet apart. And he says,
I'll go, And he says, I'm sort of saying I
was sort of looked at him, laughed. I said, you
sure never was a couple of mate, And he says, no,
he says, and he said the same thing basically as me,
really al he said the same sort of things. What
I think. Really, I don't care whether you believe me
or not. That's what we saw, you know, because he
said seriously, he said, I'll go to my dying day,
to my last break, my last breath, saying this is
what me and Jim or whoever his name is. That's
what we saw, he said. And that was a megalodon.
He said, There's nothing else it could have been. He said,
there was There is nothing else in the ocean that
we know of as that big. All that was that's
existed that big, you know. So I'm saying, think, well,
it must be got fifty to fifty five foot between
the tail and the dorsal thing. Say, probably got to
add if it's that, be probably another thirty foot on
top of that to the tip of the nose sort
of thing, or twenty thirty foot. So you're talking to,
you know, seventy eighty foot shar gear and he said, yeah,
I know. And I'm like, what did you do? He said,
what do you think we've done? He said. He just
looked at me like I was an idiot. He said,
what do you think we'd done? He says, we pulled
out wods in and just went straight in, straight back
into emantle, which is where they where they sort of
put the boat in the water. And then two weeks later,
his mate Jim where his name is, I can't remember
his name as Sam. Jim is an example. He had
a boat pretty much all his life, and two weeks
later he actually sold his boat and never went on
the water again, and to this day, I don't think
he ever has. So there's definitely things out there that
we don't know about. And he's you know, and it's
the same thing with him. Why would he lie? He says.
I don't even care whether you believe me or not,
he says, but that's what we saw. And that's that's
the thing that you know, Why would these people lie?
I mean, once I, once this thing happened down in
this logging forest, I looked into bigfoot and things like this,
and then I started looking into dog man, which I
I just thought it was a were wolf. I didn't
even know there was that terminology. And you know, you
got I think they said, you got like five hundred
confirmed sightings of bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest every year,
and you can put that down to misidentifications, people having
a laugh and things like that. But they can't all
be lying, that's the thing. You know. Some of them
probably are, but they can't all be lying. And the
same with all the people on your podcast. There might
be a few who might have might have been a
bit confused, but there's no and wish to be honest,
with all the ones I've heard sound one hundred percent convincing,
And I don't think personally all the ones I've heard,
I don't think any of them are lying. I really don't.
And that just sort of concretes it even more that
what we actually saw that we weren't actually even imagining it,
you know. So with meglodons still exists. Neville, I'm telling
you that he might not believe in dog men, but
he would sit here and tell you exactly what he saw,
and that was a megalodon. And who who am I
to say that he didn't you know what I mean,
I wasn't there, And why would he even say it?
To start with, He's not trying to become famous, he's
not trying to make money out of it. If anything is,
it makes him look stupid in front of because yours
is a bit like the English. We'd love to take
the Micky out of each other, and he's setting himself
up to the meat be taken out of him, you know,
So why would he even say that to start with?
So you know, I say, some people get a rise,
I suppose out of making up lies, and you know
what they do what they know like hopes, bigfoots and
things like that. You know, but they're just idiots, which
is a shame really because I do believe in bigfoots.
I believe in yaw He's which is the Australian Bigfoot.
I do believe in them. To be fair, I do
believe in ghosts who actually lived in a haunted house once.
So the ghosts definitely exist. I know that for a
fact because me and my girlfriend and their two kids
used to see one every day, probably twenty thirty times
to day to see his big seven foot shadow. We
found out years later they actually hung six people in
the back garden, because there's built in the sixteen hundreds
and actually hung six people in the back garden. And
back in them days, they used to have the highwaymen.
They were like the bank robbers back in them because
the banks used to transfer money in horns and carts,
and these highwaymen used to rob the horse and cards
and actually hung six highwaymen in this back garden of
this house that we were renting at the time, and
I lived there for a year because there was nowhere
else to rent. I mean, even the dogs used to
go deserve for no reason. We all used to we
all used to see this bloody thing. Oh sorry, this
this thing. And yeah, so ghost definitely exists. Never would
swear on Megla Don's exists. I swear that what we
saw was the werewolf off the film The Hown. But yeah,
there's there's things that we think we're intelligent, we think
we're just like Super Race, But I don't think we
know hardly anything about the real world if we're honest
with you, if I'm honest, I think there's things out
there that we wouldn't even dreamer out there. You know.
This is the thing, Vick. I mean when I was
when my last powerline job, I was up in Derby,
which I say, it's a north and W way, and
that used to take me two days to drive to work.
I would drive from Derby through to a place called
Horse Creek and then I stayed there the night in
a hotel. I was in an old bucket drug cherry
pick a bucket trug what we use on the power lines.
And and then the next day I then drive about
eight hours south through the desert or through the bush
land and the scrub land and the desert. Basically it's
the Tanama Desert to a place called Balgo, which is
an Abiginal community, And I was running all the low
volt which jobs out there, and you can dry and
when that's a road, it's basically a dirt a corrugated
dirt track, which is a dirt track. I don't think
get in America. There's basically tracks that got corredations on
the wind causes them and it basically rattles your car
and your truck and everything to the absolute pieces. But
I've driven down there for eight hours and not seeing
another person, not like nobody, And I remember a few
times you start thinking crazy things, obviously, but I remember
thinking one day of the car, the truck has gone
like this the whole way down this blooming road. That
drives you mad after a while, And I remember thinking,
you know, if t rex ran out in front of
me now and now, don't get me wrong, I think
t rexes are extinct, but if one ran out in
front of me. Now, I wouldn't be surprised because there
is nobody. Here is nobody, and I've been driving for
like four or five hours and haven't seen a soul.
And the only way anyone would even know that there's
something there is if they picked it up on Google Earth.
Because there is in Australia, there's so many. I think
it's eighty five percent of the population, So eight five
percent of twenty six million live within a fifty klometer
drive of the ocean, so fifteen percent of twenty six
million people live in land further than that. So in reality,
the majority of Australia there is nobody there. So they
can't tell me that there's things out there that we
don't know about. There's got to be things out there
that we wouldn't have no idea there because there's nobody
there to see them. And I say, unless you pick
it up on Google Earth, you would not even know
it's there. And you see what I mean. So there
could be anything out there. I believe that. And if
people turn into these things, I'm not going to be
the first person say no they don't, because just because
I haven't seen it doesn't mean to say that it
doesn't happen. I'm not saying that it does. But if
someone told me that, I'm certainly not gonna take the
mickey and say, now you're full of it, you know
what I mean, because what would these people say these
things to start with? That's my opinion, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I don't believe that people turn into wear wolves.
I do believe the dog men look the way they
do twenty four seven three sixty five. I'm not going
to say in this wild, crazy world it's impossible for
there to be such things as were wolves, but I
do believe that it's much more likely that dog men
just are dog men all the time, and that's all
there is to it. But having said that, Mark, I
can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the details
of that experience with this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No problem anytime, Vick, I'm glad. I hope, I hope
he you know, it might get a bit more information
out there from where I grew up and where these
other gentlemen grew up that maybe someone you know can
hear these and maybe I hopefully save a life maybe,
you know, I don't know how, but just getting awareness
out there is a good thing I think, Oh it is.
Speaker 2: It definitely is. Well, thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night.