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Speaker 1: At a book in.

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Speaker 2: Tonight's gares does Mark Hughes, Mark, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Vic. How's it going, Well, it's going.

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Speaker 2: How about yourself? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well good mate, Yeah yeah go and going good.

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Speaker 2: That's good bets alternative. Mark, please give us a brief

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buio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mark Hughes. I'm fifty three years old.

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I currently live in Australia. I'm actually just traveling around Australia.

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Just name my new puppy, which you'll probably give it

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a background at some point. I'm gonna read from England.

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I'm from a place called One House, which is near

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Stowe Market in Suffolk. I grew up there, little village,

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grew up There's all surrounded basically by cornfields and forests,

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not really any livestock or anything so to speak. Really

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went to the schools in Stowe Market, grew up there

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tour I was roughly around nineteen. I got a job.

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My dad got me a job on the overhead power lines,

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which i'd done for roughly about twenty nine years. I've

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been doing it up to the age of about thirty nine,

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when I got offered a job with a company called

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Western Power in Perth, Western Australia, which I then moved

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over to and I've been here for thirteen years now

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and decided to port. With the cost of living and everything,

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I just decided, well, I got a really good price

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from my house and I've always wanted to travel around Australia,

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so I thought, sell up, got the dog and everything,

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and now I'm currently in Queensland, about six seven hours

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north of Brisbane, overlooking a nice lovely lake with mountains

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in the distance and enjoy. And I really to be

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honest with.

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Speaker 2: You, Vick, Well, if you can say that that's all

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that matters, that's a really good thing.

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Speaker 1: Mark.

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Speaker 2: You've got a little helper there. He's probably going to

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be a little bit on the noisy side as we

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tried to record tonight's sholl please tell us about him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was when I was traveling. It was about

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four months ago. I have a rescue Rottweiler. She's my

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best friend, called Precious. I called it Pudgy because all

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she had a thought about was food and she's my

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best mate. And unfortunately she was seven and a half

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and she had a problem with her liver and unfortunately

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broke my heart. I had to have a put down.

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While I was traveling. I was up a place called

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Cowley Beach, up about an hour and a half drive

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south of Cairns, and I must admit I vowed to

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get another dog, but everyone I spoke so I gave

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Pudgy the best life possible. Even when I was working,

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I was walking three times a day. It's got all

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the best food, you know, all the love and care

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that she ever wanted. And I never thought i'd get

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another dog again, but everyone I spoke to just said, look,

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you need to get one, because you know, you've got

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to give a dog a good home and everything. And

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sort of long story short, I thought, yeah, okay, So

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I actually drove down to Brisbane yesterday and picked up

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a I couldn't get another female rock whiler because I'd

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be comparing her to Pudgy, so I brought a male rockweiler.

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He's he's about six weeks old now, is a great

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little fellow. I called him Ronnie, Ronnie the Rothweiler, but

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he is. He's got loads of food, loads of water,

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he's had loads of exercise, loads of tickles now, but

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for some reason he's still winging a little bit, so

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you might he might be gett a little bit of

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vocal every now and again, so I do apologize for that.

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But he's a he's a great little fellow, but he's

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very He's into everything basically, and when he gets a

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bit bored, he starts to winge a little bit.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, Yeah, you've got your hands full there.

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Six weeks old. That's young to be bringing her mom.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I thought, vic, But they said

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I got him from a qualified breeder who obviously breeds Rottwiler.

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She's been doing it for a lot of years and

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she basically I thought it was too young, but she

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said basically, as long as he's on solid, solid food,

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then they're good to go, but not before six weeks.

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he's eating like a pig, to be fair, and she

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said no some one because I actually asked her the

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same question I did. To be fair, I did actually

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google it and it does say that it's to pick

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up a pubb he should be eight weeks unless he's

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on solid foods, and once he's on solid foods, and

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Google pretty much said the same thing. But so I'm

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no expert. So yeah, so I picked up yesterday and

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the typical rock whiler, very stubborn, won't listen to a

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word I say, basically, just does what he wants. Yeah,

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he's going to be great, but at the moment he's

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just a little bit rock Willers aren't barky, shouty, sort

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of not really loud dog. To be honest with you,

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people get the wrong impression of him. They're usually quite quiet,

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but at the moment he's still susting everything out. I

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think obviously being away from his family, you know, his

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mum and dad and his siblings is obviously a bit

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of a shock for him. But he does seem genuinely happy.

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He's not upset. He does seem happy. He's just I

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don't know. I think he's just a bit too inquisitive

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and he wants something to be happening all the time.

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I think he's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh Betty does, and for the most part, he's going

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to be one causing things to happen before you know it. Yeah,

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without a doubt, mate, you've got your hands full. There

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are a lot of similarities marked between England and Australia,

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but there are also a lot of differences was there

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a lot of culture.

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Speaker 1: Shock, Not really. It's obviously it's a different country as

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long as you understand it's a different country, but it's

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obviously English speaking country. The Australians, you know, lovely people,

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very helpful, but you can't get anything done quick here.

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You know, if you want something done to your car

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in England, you get it done that day. You want

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something done to your car in Australia, you're talking at

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least a week. You know, especially places like w a Perth,

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they don't keep any spares for cars. They actually have

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to basically important from Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane or

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something like that. You know, it's you can't get anything

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done quick here. That's the main thing. And the Australians

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are very laid back, which is which is a good thing.

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Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing. In England

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you're you're in a complete rat race, and over here

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it's it's a lot more laid back, a lot more

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chilled out. And yeah, it's good. It's it's yeah, it's

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it's a lovely place. And it's like what I'm doing

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now is like traveling around Australia. I think you can

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get the UK into Australia. I think thirty two times.

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I think I googled that a few years ago. So

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and there's only a third of the population. So you

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can drive I've driven sometimes for eight hours and not

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even see another car going through the top of West

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Western Australia and things like that. You know, so it's

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very very remote. Some of the places you have to

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you can't just get in your car and do what

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I do. You actually have to do a bit of

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homework into it, you know, make sure you've got I've

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got a band cruise a trooper. I've got two fuel

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tanks on it, so I can get about eight hundred

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k's out of both tanks. And obviously when I am

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down long distances, I obviously keep them filled up. I

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even if I stop and I stop at servo recording

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servos over here. But's the petrol stations, you know, even

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if I only got to put fifty dollars, you know,

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we will stop and put fifty dollars in because you

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never know where the next one might be. Because and

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even if you do get to another place, there's no

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guarantee that they've even got any fuel with that remote

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or they don't take cards, so you always keep cash

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on you as well and things like that, you know,

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So it's definitely doing what I'm doing is a lot different.

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And every people unfortunately do die doing this because they

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go out unprepared, especially into the outback. I've been into

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the outback a lot a long time, sorry, and the

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generally is that people don't tend to take enough water

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and food with them because once you break down out there,

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you know, there's no guarantee you're going to see anybody,

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and even if you do, there's no guarantee they're going

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to stop and help you either. So you need to

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take plenty of food water. I mean. My last power

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line job, I'm retired from the power lines now. I've

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done that for about twenty nine years. My last job

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was up at Herby, which is up a place called Broom,

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which is the north of Western Australia. And there's an

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old lady sitting by the side of the road and

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me I was with this sparky, this young girl called Ashley.

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She's a sparky up there, and we stopped and this

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old lady she'd lost her husband. She's in an old

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VW camp van. She was sold everything was driving around Australia,

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just her, a dog and a budget and she has

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sat on the this is like the main road, you know,

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this is the main road in the in the top

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of way and she sat there for two and a

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half days. We have no car, wouldn't start forty five degrees,

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no airck on, covered in flies, her a dog and

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a budget and people were just driven past her. Not

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many people, but some people had driven past us. One

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guy stopped, he said he'd get help, and he never did,

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and luckily we passed. And Ashley, who's from Derby, is

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a good friend with a lady who runs the tow

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truck place. So as soon as because once you get

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out a little town, she don't have any phone signal,

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like nothing at all, and so we managed. Once he

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got back into phone signal, she found her friend who

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then got a tow truck out there to help this lady.

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and she sat on the side of the road for

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two and a half days. So you have to you

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have to be careful, unstressed that enough. And also up

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in this neck of the woods, obviously you've got your

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salt water, crocodiles. I've done stupid things. Don't get me wrong.

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I'm not saying I'm perfect, you know, but I'm amazed

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that other people aren't taken by them, if I'm honest,

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because you do get a lot of tourists will actually

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wade out to try and catch barralmundy, which is like

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the main fish up here. I don't actually wide out

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into water. It's this crocodile signs all over the place,

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but people just seem to ignore them for some bizarre reason.

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And yeah, and people sort of stop saying they get

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out of the get out of the water. Haven't you

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seen the signs? Have you seen crocodile dundee? That's what's

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in these waters, you know what I mean, And things

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like this, And so I was quite surprised. And it's

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not more people actually killed by them, to be perfectly

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honest with you. So you've got to understand that unlike England,

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you know, we're not at the top of the food

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chain up here, and they're obviously very optimistic they are

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if they can get you. You know, you're just food

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to them. You're not a human, You're just something to eat.

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And if they're hungry, they will do their best to

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stalk you and get you. And if you're in the

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wrong place at the wrong time, you know, well they

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also you get a decent sized one. You fifteen eighteen

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foot you know they've got four half thousand PSI bite force.

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You know you're not going to be getting away from

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him anytime soon. So and once they got you, you know,

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that's it. You're gone. They can't send police divers into

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try and find the body or anything. They'll just go

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and jam you under a rock or a lot lot.

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Mick Dundee said, that's exactly what they do that jamming

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under a rock, leave you for three or four days,

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and come back later and meet you. And by that

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time the search is off. So no body and that's it.

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We've never seen again. And so you've got to understand that.

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And we've got nine out of the ten of the

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most deadliest snakes over here. As the other week, I

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saw a western Taie band that's the second most poisonous

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landslake on the planet. When I was giving in Perth.

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You've got the tiger snakes one at least three or

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four times a week. That's the fourth most poisonous landstake.

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But you. You I'm not trying to put anyone off

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from coming to Australia. The spiders, don't worry about them.

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They're nowhere. Here is but as bad as people make out.

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But it just gets to a point you just you

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just can't let it worry you know. I mean, like

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if you if you have your surfing, just don't go

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out first thing in the morning and last thing at night.

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That's when the sharks are hunting, you know, and things.

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but you know, obviously there's always that that threat because

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you're in there. You're in there their home, so it's

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not it's not their fault if they decided to eat you.

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You know, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time,

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and that's that's my view on it. But yeah, you

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just just have to understand that. You know, when you

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walk in your dog, don't walk through long grass if

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you know there's tiger snakes about and things like that,

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because they can sort of pretty much kill you in

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about fifteen twenty minutes. But you just get used to

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seeing them and you just don't let it worry you,

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you know. I mean, it's a completely different country, but

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you know, like England, it's an English speaking country. But

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I love it. I wouldn't I wouldn't ever move back

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to England. I love it here in Queensland. You know,

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if you ever get the chance to come up here.

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Obviously got the heat and the humidity because you're in

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the tropics, but the place is just so beautiful and

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they're very friendly, very helpful people up here as well.

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They really are. They're they're lovely people. And I'm just

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sitting here. I'm in a big six man tent looking

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out over a bunch of mountains and it's like, I

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think it's about thirty two thirty three degrees here at

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the moment. Yeah, I'm loving life. I've got my stylink,

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my battery pack, my solar panels, new Ai laptop, and

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I'm running a part time the online business from here.

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And yeah, I'm I'm a little puppy and yeah, I'm

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just loving life. It's great. If anyone who gets the

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opportunity to do what I'm doing, definitely do it.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely a free way to live. But I don't

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know how you do what they're mark I mean from

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what I hear you've got sharks in the bathtub in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit of a misconception of that one.

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When I first got to Australia, I was obviously concerned

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about you know, red back spiders and snakes everywhere I

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was going to perf so I knew there wasn't crocodiles.

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But they obviously think about sharks and great white sharks.

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They call them white pointers over here, but the same thing.

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And but but yeah, you know, once once you're over

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here for like a year, it's just like, don't worry

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about it. You just there's another snake called the do guie.

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I think that's the one that's the Aboriginal. It's an

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Aboriginal world word for walk the long way around for

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obvious reasons. And I've had them strike at my car

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tires when I've actually been driving down the road and

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things like that. It only happened to all three times.

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But you know, they can be pretty aggressive as well.

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The tiger snakes can be very aggressive. They actually chase you.

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They're part of the cobra family. Try to avoid them.

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But you just if you see why, you just don't

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go near it, you know, And if you if you're

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standing log, which you'll have been up in the north

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of w A. The crocodiles tend to start about broom

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and go straight away across to sort of probably probably

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roughly where I am, a place called Gladstone and there

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and above is basically where the crocodiles are. But when

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you're fishing for barrel mundy down the creeks and in

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the oceans and things like that, you know, when you're

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fishing off the river's banks, now you just have to

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be very careful. If you can't see what's in front

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of you, you just don't go down there because you

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don't know what could be there. You know, you just

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have to be sensible. It's not something to be scared of.

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You just have to have a bit of common sense,

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you know what I mean. VI, But unfortunately some people

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don't seem to possess that common sense. Isn't that common

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as they say? Sometimes?

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Speaker 2: No it's not. And it's a beautiful place, but yeah,

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you have to be weary of your surroundings. Definitely. It

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sounds like all right, Mark, please tell us about your encounter. Now,

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give us a real last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, basically, what brought me to this phone call and

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getting in touch with you. Was when I was in Australia.

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Obviously in Australia, but I was working for a company

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called Western Power, and the last eighteen months I was

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with them, I was patrolling the power lines. Basically in

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England you walk the lines over here, you drive them

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because obviously it's a massive area to cover. So I

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had a four wheel drive Navara and I was off

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by myself as classed as observing, not working, so you

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don't actually need to have anyone with you, and you're

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basically four wheel driving like nine months of the year,

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which is great fun. Don't get me wrong. I loved

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every minute of it. And one day I was down

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south of Perth, probably about a four hour four to

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four and a half hour drive south of Perth in

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a massive logging forest. I've had about sixty seventy towers.

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It was one hundred and thirty two thousand vault line

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we call them one free two line, and I was

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patrolling that and you got a little tough book and

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you're updating, trying to find faults and things like that

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on the power lines. And I drove down this track

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following this line it's really rough track, so you're lucky

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if you can do five kilometers an hour. Most of

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the time you're not eve going to do that. And

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I went down there about sixty kilometers and there was

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a road past the last tower, but unfortunately that was underwater.

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I'm still even though there's a road there, I'm still

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probably fifty kilometers from the nearest person. So I thought,

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I checked the water. It's too deep. The forest down

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there in summer's full of tiger snakes, so I've been told.

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So I didn't really want to get out too much

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and whatever, and I was certainly weren't going to go

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into the undergrowth. So I managed to turn the car

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around and I just stopped. It was about hart bust

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ten in the morning. It was a beautiful morning, so

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I turned the car around. I got out of the car.

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My left hand had hold of the windows were down,

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had hold of the door where the windows go up

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and down, and all of a sudden, it was this

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is all it is the weirdest thing. I was having

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a lovely day, it was a beautiful place. It's one

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of those days you're just glad to be alive, and

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then all of a sudden, every hair on the back

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of my every hair, and my body just went up

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and and I don't know, I don't even know why.

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And I didn't even feel scared. I felt terrified. And

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I didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything, and

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I just knew I had to leave. And I knew

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if I was actually thinking I'm going to go in

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there into I mean, it's not going to be a

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human there. There's kangaroos there, it's not going to be that,

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it's not going to be a tiger snake. There's certainly

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there's not going to be any people there. I mean,

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I'm in the middle of nowhere, you know. And I

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couldn't let go of the door. My left hand, my

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left hand just it just seemed to like seize up.

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And I looked down the tree line of the track,

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and there's a big tree, and I just knew whatever

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it was was behind this tree. And this may sound insane,

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but all of a sudden, the words bigfoot just popped

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into my head. Now I'd obviously heard about bigfoot, I'd

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never looked into it. All I knew is they were

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big ape like things from America. That that's about my

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knowledge really to be fair. But I just knew I

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was going to die. I just knew whatever it was here,

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if I went into that tree line, I'm not coming

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back out again. So and my left arm wouldn't let

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go of the door anyway, So and then it was

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really weird. I jumped back in the car and I

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started driving. Obviously I can only go maximum five kilometers

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an hour, and I didn't look to the left or right.

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I just kept me on because I didn't want to

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whatever it might have been, I didn't want to upset it.

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So I just drove the best I could, as fast

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as I could out of there. And I remember thinking

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that everything, the birds, the crickets, everything just stopped, like

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someone just turned the volume down. And I remember think,

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and once I actually got out of there, there's a

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good forty five minutes hour drive just to get back

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to the main track, and I just remember everything has stopped.

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And I remember they said in the Amazon that when

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the jaguars are about, everything stops. Obviously it's the alpha

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predator down there, or the Apex predator or whatever. Anyway,

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I got back to the hotel and I just googled

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bigfoots in Australia and it comes up with this yowi.

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Now I'd never heard of a yowi, but there's allegedly

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cave drawings from the Aboriginals from thousands of years ago,

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and that I thought, my god, it must have been that.

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But what had done was it brought back. It brought

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back this thoughts and feelings of what happened to me

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when I was sixteen years old, and I didn't speak.

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I didn't speak about this for thirty six years. And

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after I sort of looked into these yowis and things

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like that, and I started looking into dog men or

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I thought that's just called a werewolf. But basically what

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it was VIC was one night I was sixteen, I

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had my best friend Toby and my other friend Neil

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with us, and I come from this little place where

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one house near two miles from a place with Stow Market,

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and halfway between Stow Market and one house, the street

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lights stop, so you got basically your water. I mean

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we walked at a million times, you know. So you

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get to this place called Stowe Lodge, which is an

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old workhouse they're renovated into flats and that now I think,

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But once you get there, you've then got basically a

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mile of no street lights and country and a country

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road basically, and me and my friend, my friend Neil

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was driving. I was in the passenger seat and my

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friend Toby was sitting behind Neil. Toby's my best friend.

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He's two years older than me. And as we was driving,

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our friend Neil said, get down, get down, because where

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you understand something. I don't know what it's like in America,

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but in England, all we do is take the mickey

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out of each other when we grow it up. You know,

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you go to work, you take the micky all day,

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then you go home. That's all the English tend to do.

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Where world class mickey takers. I can't say the normal

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word that we'd usually use, but we'll say mickey takers basically.

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So we got down once he said he get back

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up again now and he said, our friend Guy was

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walking just into the darkness basically from the street lights.

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He's obviously walking home because he's from one house as well.

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So we as we he said, well we'll skire out

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of him, which obviously we're all going to do. So

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we drove into one house and just as you go

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past the sign is another friend of ours called Jonathan Rose.

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His house is on the right hand side, and opposite

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him is the entrance to a field. So we parked

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our car in there and we jumped over a little

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a fence, sorry a gate, and then we turned left

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and then sprinted down this cornfield. If you can imagine

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that we're sprinted on my friend Neils. Next you got

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the road. Then you've got a massive tree line, probably

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about fifty to sixty foot wide, and the trees are

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probably about one hundred eighty to one hundred foot tall.

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And Neil's running next to the tree line, and there's

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combine harvested tracts in the cornfield. So there's Neil, then

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there's Toby, and then there's me, and we're Me and

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Toby are running down combine harvest attracts. Neil's running down

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the tree line and we get down to the corner

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and there's a corner. Neil hides behind a tree there.

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Me and Toby jumped down about six foot down the

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embankment onto the road, run over the road and then

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going hide into the cornfield the other side. And we

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sit there waiting and I, you know this is a

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true story, you know, I look up and it's a

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full moon, and it's one of those nights there's not

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a cloud in the sky, there's no wind. You know,

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you could have heard a that far from one hundred

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yards away. It's an absolutely beautiful night. So we sitting

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there waiting, like giggling, like a bunch of school girls.

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And then every sudden here guy walking up the road.

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And then once he gets up like near us, like

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Toby and Neil don't start doing anything. You remember, I'm

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sixteen years older, and that sounds very childish by many,

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sixteenth and we always, like say, we're always trying to

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have a laugh at each other. And Toby and Neil

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don't do anything. So I start growling at him. I

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start shaking the corn. I'm about probably twenty feet into

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the cornfield ten fifth, about fifteen twenty feet to the

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cornfield year and funny enough, guy turns about of growls back.

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I mean, if I was, I would have been terror

471
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,519
I don't want have been I would have been absolutely

472
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,279
terrified anyway, So I start growling louder. I start like

473
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,920
on my hands and knee, start coming through the corn

474
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,799
at him, you know, like an idiot, as you do

475
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,599
when you're a child. And next thing, he's off, you know,

476
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:47,680
Usain Bolt when they caught him. And he's a short,

477
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,880
chubby guy, you know. So he's off. So me and

478
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,160
Toby are up. We're running, get onto the road, jump

479
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:57,680
up the embankment. Neil still behind this big tree and

480
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,079
we start running up the field. So I'm in one

481
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:05,160
combine harvested track, Neil's sorry, Toby's in another one. And

482
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,759
then there was running up the tree line again and

483
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,200
we're sprinting and as we get a lot halfway up

484
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000
the halfway up the field. Yeah, I'm laughing here and

485
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:18,559
I think, oh my god, he must be terrified. I

486
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,400
know I'd be absolutely terrified anyway, all of a sudden,

487
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,279
at the end of my track there's a there's a

488
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359
there's a hedge and you'll only small hedge they maybe

489
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,720
ten feet tall. And I noticed the silhouette of something

490
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,720
standing there and I'm sprinting towards it, and I've suddenly

491
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:36,720
stopped laughing and whatever, and I'm just like, what on

492
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:42,119
earth is that? That's what I couldn't even work out

493
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,160
what it was. By this point, I'm probably about fifty

494
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:46,960
forty fifty feet from it, so I didn't notice it

495
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,839
to start with, really, and it was he. It was

496
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,759
facing the road where guy was. Basically, now I'm sprinting.

497
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,880
To my right is Toby, and then to the right

498
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,200
of him is Neil. I'm probably twenty feet from Toby.

499
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,000
Neil's probably twenty feet from Toby, and I'm sprinting towards

500
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,680
this thing. And I mean, all of a sudden, I

501
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,519
just get like this, the same thing that happens in

502
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,440
the south of w A and this in this logging forest.

503
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,119
All of a sudden, I just I don't feel scared,

504
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,920
I feel terrified, and the same feelings just came rushing back. Well,

505
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,720
that's the first time I felt it. I mean, happened

506
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,680
again when I was down in the south of w

507
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,319
Way and all I wanted to do was turn around

508
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,599
and running opposite direction. That's all I wanted to do.

509
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,079
But I just knew if I did, I'd be in

510
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,799
that field by myself. And I just didn't and I

511
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,880
didn't want that. And I looked to my right and

512
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,160
I can see Toby's like is in power level with me,

513
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,519
and the Niel's in power level Toby. We're basically in

514
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,640
a line, basically sprinting up this field and then I

515
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,240
look around and this thing had then turned around, and

516
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,160
now it was looking the opposite direction, down to our

517
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,160
local pub, which is called the Sheppard Door, and a

518
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,279
sort of down a bit of a hill, so it

519
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,440
actually turned around. That's looking the opposite direction. And I'm

520
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:08,480
sprinting at this thing, and I don't know what. I

521
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,200
don't mind, I don't mind them anything. I don't know

522
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,079
what to do. I'm just sprinting. I know, I don't

523
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,039
want to be by myself in the middle of this field,

524
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,559
so I am just sprinting at this thing. I don't

525
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:23,240
know what it is. If i'd had any if I

526
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720
had actually been thinking clearly, I would have turned right

527
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:27,920
round through the corner and got beyond Toby to be

528
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,119
at least i'd have got him first, you know what

529
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,200
I mean. But I just didn't even that didn't even

530
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,359
end them my head. And I'm just sprinting at this thing,

531
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,400
and I got within about but I don't know what

532
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,640
to do. I'm in a total state of confusion. This

533
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,519
thing is standing there, it's looking at me, and I

534
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,160
just I don't know what to do. I just keep

535
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,640
sprinting at it. I just knew I didn't want to

536
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,519
be by myself and I got with it about twenty

537
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,440
foot of this thing, and it just took off down

538
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640
this hill, thank God. And I'll be honest with you,

539
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,839
a vic a greyhound whn't caught up with this thing.

540
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,000
This thing was off like I had a rocket something

541
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,160
like I had a rock up its backside. It was

542
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,160
gone and I didn't as far as I can recall,

543
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,200
it didn't make any sound. And basically what it was

544
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:21,400
it was a six foot tall on all fours German shepherd.

545
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,079
It had the long ears. It was looking at me.

546
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:27,920
I don't see like the side on profile of I

547
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,000
didn't know how wide it was or how muscular it

548
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:31,920
was or anything like that. I just saw the side

549
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,680
on the view of it. It was looking at me.

550
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
It didn't have red glowing eyes or whatever. It didn't

551
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,079
have like, you know, six foot fangs dripping with blood

552
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,400
or anything like that. It's just a six foot tall

553
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
German shepherd. Its front legs were longer than its back legs,

554
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,119
so it's sort of it came down the back came

555
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,119
down at an angle, sort of like a hyena. I

556
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,160
can remember because it was a very very bright night.

557
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
It was a full moon. The moon was basically above us,

558
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,000
so we see sort of pretty much everything. It had long, brown,

559
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:05,480
matted sort of hair that it was like scraggly looking

560
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,559
hair like I've been dragged through a head sort of thing.

561
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,720
And on five five foot eleven and a half, so

562
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,559
I'm just under six foot and this thing could have

563
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,480
looked me straight in the eyes and as on all fours.

564
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,680
And I didn't know what to do. I you know,

565
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,480
I just I didn't know. I think if it happened again,

566
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640
I would probably carry on sprinting now, so I wouldn't.

567
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,519
It's just one of those things, you know. I just

568
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,880
just this this terror, this adrenaline, I don't know what

569
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,079
you want to call it. And I just I didn't

570
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,279
know what to do. So it ran off. Thank god,

571
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,640
I got to the where it had been, and then

572
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,599
we turned right to then run back to the car.

573
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Now I'm as we run back to the car and

574
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,559
think that I'm just it's my imagination. Don't be stupid.

575
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:49,920
These things don't exist. So we got back into the

576
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200
car and we drove around because reason I try and

577
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960
catch up with guys, say, ah, we got your sort

578
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,440
of thing, you know. But by this point he's been

579
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,519
running that quick. But you know, for a fact, kid,

580
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,000
you could run pretty quickly. He's already he's already at home.

581
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,279
So then my friend Toby said, Neil said, I'm going

582
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,000
to go home now, and Toby said, come, I come

583
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,759
around mine for a cup of tea. So I said,

584
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,839
r okay, swimming for a cup of tea. And Toby's

585
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,720
making the tea. We're sitting there, we're laughing, and I'm

586
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
just thinking himself, just forget about it. Don't think about it.

587
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:24,200
Just forget about it. It's you. It's not what you think.

588
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,759
You know, you know, and I know what I saw,

589
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:32,440
but come on, it's a ridiculous idea. So we sat

590
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,680
down and me and Toby are sitting there talking that.

591
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,720
Toby's a lovely person. He has been my best friend for

592
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:39,519
so many years. We have sort of lost contact now,

593
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:43,160
but we're friend's best friends for a long time, for decades.

594
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,039
He's one of those guys that doesn't lie about anything.

595
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:48,640
If he does lie to you, you know, a minute

596
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,279
later he's apologizing for it. You know. He's just a

597
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:55,599
real lovely, beautiful person, real nice guy. And we're sitting

598
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:57,039
there having a laugh, and then all of a sudden

599
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,400
We're sitting offsite each other at the kitchen table, and

600
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,519
he just says, he looked me dead in the eyes.

601
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,000
He says, are we going to talk about it then?

602
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:06,880
And as soon as he said that, I knew what

603
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,799
he's on about. But I'm not going to give anything away.

604
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,400
I don't know. I just I was still in a

605
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,880
bit of a state confusion. I think, vic to be

606
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,759
honest with you, And he said, I know you saw it,

607
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,559
he says, because you was running straight at it, he says,

608
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,640
and I saw it as well. He says. Neil didn't

609
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,680
see it because Neil was looking through the tree lined guy.

610
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,079
He says, I know he never saw it. And trust me,

611
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,279
Neil was a bit of a blackbomout lovely guy, but

612
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:31,599
a bit of a blab of mouth. He would have

613
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,119
definitely said something. And he said, but I know you

614
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,839
saw it. He says, what was it? And then I thought,

615
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,119
I can't not say anything now, and I just looked.

616
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,799
I was looking at He's looking me square in the eyes,

617
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,039
looking in square, and the eye said, I don't know, Toby.

618
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:49,319
I said, I think I know, but that's insane. And

619
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,160
we sat there for the next hour and a half

620
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,440
drinking cups of tea. And we went through every animal

621
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,039
that we think it could have been. And when we

622
00:32:56,079 --> 00:33:00,720
went from horses to cows, to deer to foxes field,

623
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,079
now we went rabbits, you name it. We went through everything, dogs,

624
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,319
you name it. Everything. There's no cows in our area.

625
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
There's no horses in our area. There is deer in

626
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640
our area, but that's probably about two miles away near

627
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,279
the dual carriageway. You'd probably call them a freeway, but

628
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,920
they're all fenced in to stop poachers getting them. And

629
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
it wasn't we We've seen hundreds of deer, you know,

630
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,400
there wasn't a deer. And we went through everything that

631
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,279
could have been and there is nothing. It looked like

632
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,480
a German shepherd, but it wasn't a German shepherd. German

633
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,160
shepherds don't get that big. And we went through everything

634
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,359
that could have been and that we'd watched the film. Obviously,

635
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,559
the American Wealth in London, we all saw that because

636
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,160
there's a girl called Julie who lived in our village.

637
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,279
And there's a scene at the end when it's running

638
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,200
around cars and have a in Piccadilly circus and a

639
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,359
car hits the side of a double decker bus and

640
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,640
a blood shot out of the window and then gets

641
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880
his head run over by a car. Well, her stepdad

642
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,319
was actually the stunt man who done that. So we

643
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,039
obviously all saw it more because she sort of talked

644
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:05,599
us into it. But we want to see it anyway,

645
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,239
because we were kids. We thought we enjoyed being scared,

646
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,960
but we didn't be fair. We just been trying to

647
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,159
be tough, but we weren't, you know. And and we

648
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,320
saw to film The Howling obviously that came out a

649
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,199
few years later, I think, And it wasn't anything like

650
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,039
the American Wealth in London this thing, and we just

651
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,559
came to the conclusion it was the were wolf off

652
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,639
the film The Howling. And that's exactly what it looked like.

653
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
It looked like the were wolf off the film to Howl.

654
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,239
And we both came to the same conclusion. It was

655
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,480
nothing that we had seen, we'd never seen before, and

656
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:42,480
that's what it was. And we both said there. I said, well,

657
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,440
shall I go and get my dad, You get your

658
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,360
dad up, we'll get some torches and go and look

659
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,119
for it or something. So I don't know what to do,

660
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,280
And he said Mark. He said, no one is going

661
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,639
to believe us, you know, and which I knew. We're

662
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,559
going back to nineteen eighty seventy. No one is going

663
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,559
to believe it word we're saying, so we decided not to.

664
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,480
But Toby did say something a bit concerning. I should say,

665
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,559
is the word is what would have happened to Guy

666
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,119
if we hadn't done that? Because it was facing the

667
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,320
direction where Guy would have been walking, did you see

668
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,360
what I mean? So it would have been going in

669
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,679
his direction and they could have potentially met. So sometimes

670
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,039
you want know, maybe God intervened here or something and

671
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920
sent us down to wind him up to save his

672
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,519
life or something. Maybe I don't I don't know. But

673
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,280
then after that, I said, do you think we should

674
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,039
get get our dad's up and go and try and

675
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,280
find it and whatever? But he just said, look, Mark,

676
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,199
no one's going to believe us, and that's the truth.

677
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,159
No one would believe us. So I never spoke about

678
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,199
this thirty six years until this thing happened to me

679
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,960
in way, and then I started looking into it, and

680
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,639
then I just put were wolf's sight. I've never even

681
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,880
heard of a dog man. I just assume it's called

682
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,199
a were wolf and I just put in where Wolf

683
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,320
Sightings UK and it came up with your YouTube channel,

684
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,800
so I clicked on there and then I clicked on

685
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,079
the actual page thing and instead of trying to go

686
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,039
through that like the hundreds of testimonies you've got, I

687
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,400
just put in UK sightings or something like that, and

688
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,920
I came up with one and there was a guy

689
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,000
and I think it was episode four hundred, and I

690
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,480
listened to his and has him and his brother and

691
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,280
his best mate got chased out of a forest by

692
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,840
a big black one and their best friend. And that

693
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,639
was a year I think it was a year before

694
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,159
me and Toby had our sighting. But the thing that

695
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,519
sort of creeped me out the most was the fact

696
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,159
that where they were put only fifteen to twenty miles

697
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
from where we had our sighting, so it was very

698
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,960
close proximity to where they had their sighting. And of

699
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,760
course that really got me thinking, well, you know, maybe

700
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
there's more around there, Maybe people just aren't talking about it.

701
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Maybe I'm not too sure, but it seems a bit.

702
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,719
I mean obviously saw a big black one where we

703
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,719
saw were a light brown in the in the sunlight,

704
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,519
sort of looked in the sorry in the moonlight, it

705
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,719
looked a bit gingery, to be fair, but it was

706
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,840
definitely a sort of light brown color. That's you know,

707
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,599
Matt hair and everything. So yeah, so I listened to

708
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,519
him and I thought, well, yeah, maybe I should phone

709
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,719
you up or get in get in contact with you

710
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,480
and just tell you my story. Really, because if they

711
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:26,559
saw one there, there's a few gentlemen up in I

712
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,079
think Yorkshire. I actually got in contact with one a

713
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:34,039
few months later, but then I was actually moving house,

714
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:35,519
so I sort of sort of spoke to him, text

715
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,039
him a few times. He texted me back a bit

716
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:38,679
and I told him my story and that and that's

717
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:39,639
what at the end of it, because I was too

718
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:44,239
busy selling my house and everything like this. But yeah,

719
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,159
so we're obviously not not the only ones to have

720
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:50,000
seen something in that area, basically, and that sort of

721
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
prompted me to sort of get in contact. And once

722
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:53,880
I heard that, for what, I'll give you a bell

723
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,320
and I'll give you a get in contact with you

724
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,920
and see what you think. Now, I'll be honest with you, Vig.

725
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,039
I don't believe people turn into walls and how at

726
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,480
the moon and the people I really don't. But then again,

727
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320
I'm not saying it can't exist. You know, there's stranger

728
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,800
things out there than what we know, so I'm not

729
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,800
saying that it can't happen. And one of them there

730
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,039
was a really creepy thing that happened to me. I

731
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,400
was up in broom when I'm traveling. There's me and

732
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Pudgy in it. And I've got to know guy called Tony.

733
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,119
He's five years older than he's he's fifty eight, and

734
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,079
he travels around Australia. He is a chippy. He just

735
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,440
does work. He finds a nice little place, lives on

736
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,599
the campsite, finds work because you can do that over here, he

737
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,159
said in England. You can't really do that in England.

738
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,079
In Australia's such a big place, and up in these

739
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,880
places they can't really find the labor, you know. So

740
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,800
people can do that. People do that lot for decades,

741
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,880
you know. And he told me something, and I said,

742
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:45,679
I'll tell you a story. And I told him the

743
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:50,280
story I just told you, and he actually said, which

744
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,559
I've never heard before. And I know if anyone else

745
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,119
who listens to this, whether they can verify this. But

746
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,639
in Australia with the film The American Wealth in London

747
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,960
where the two lads, well one of them gets ripped

748
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,679
apart and the other one gets scratched up and whatever.

749
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,760
He actually reckons that's actually a true story, and they

750
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,719
actually heard about that in Australia. And he said, yeah,

751
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,679
that's actually true. And I said, what he said, that's

752
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,280
actually a true story. I said, now, it's a film.

753
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,119
He says, no. He says, did you hear about it?

754
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,440
I'm like, no, never heard anything about it. We never

755
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,159
heard anything about it in England anyway, Well I never

756
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,079
I never did. And he said, yeah, over here there

757
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,760
was actually a case of these two American lads who

758
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,039
got torn apart by a were wolf in England, and

759
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,360
they actually heard about it in Australia. But I say,

760
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,639
I we never heard anything like that in England. So

761
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,000
whether some of these people on your podcast are saying

762
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,840
that there's a government cover up because he said that, well,

763
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,000
we certainly heard about it over here, that these these

764
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
two lads have been ripped apart by a were wolf.

765
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,679
I say, I never heard. I never heard that in England.

766
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,519
So maybe maybe there is a cover up. I'm not

767
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,960
too sure, but yeah, so that's that's pretty much much

768
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,079
already there Vic. And it is, like I say, I'm

769
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:09,559
not I don't believe in were wolves, but I'm not

770
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,639
saying that they don't exist. You know, people believe that

771
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,719
you couldn't run the four minute miles or someone done it,

772
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,159
you know what I mean. So it's who's to say

773
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:20,039
that there isn't wear wolves out there or dog man

774
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,920
as you call them. You know, there's a there's I

775
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,320
remember there's an insects I saw on something they've done.

776
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,519
It's the scientific experiment where they put his insects that

777
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,679
can't fly onto a plant and then they didn't feed

778
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,760
the plant at all, and within about two weeks, all

779
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,320
these insects actually changed their biology, grown wings and flew

780
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,880
to the plant that was still alive. So I mean,

781
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,679
if an insect can do that, then I don't see

782
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,480
there's any reason biologically why a human can't do. It's

783
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,159
just we don't understand it. So I'm not saying that

784
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,400
there there is and there isn't. But but yeah, it was.

785
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,519
It was besides that time in the fire trus it

786
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,440
was the most terrifying thing in my life. I just

787
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,840
I didn't know what to do. I honestly, people say

788
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,239
I want you run over to Toby and things that

789
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,960
I just I didn't even didn't even end to my head,

790
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,519
did not even ender my head. But one thing I

791
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:16,320
should have done, on hindsight, well me and Toby should

792
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,719
have done, was the next stage. We should have gone

793
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,119
down and looked for tracks. But that didn't even enter

794
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,880
our head. I think that's what we should have done,

795
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,119
to be honest with you, but we obviously we didn't

796
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,519
even it was. We just decided we're not going to

797
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:32,519
tell anybody, and we never did. We kept a secret

798
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,360
until I say, till this thing happened to me. That's

799
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,559
the only time. Then after I started, I was in

800
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:41,239
my Oh, this was probably so I got there fortyes,

801
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,199
I was probably about forty six. By this point, you

802
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,679
get to a stage in life we don't really care

803
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,400
what people think of you anyway, and I'll explain and say, yeah,

804
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,000
this is what this is what we saw. Wasn't just

805
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,559
me and my best friends or I don't believe me

806
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,000
in us up to you, but this is what we saw.

807
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:54,960
So I don't mind talking about it anymore, you know.

808
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,119
But I didn't speak about it for thirty six years.

809
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,760
And yeah, once I heard what this other gentleman said,

810
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,119
you know, from Ipswich, that sort of, I thought, well,

811
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,159
maybe it's time to actually come forward and to say, look,

812
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,519
this is what we saw, you know, and you know,

813
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,599
maybe it might save someone's life or something. I don't know,

814
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:16,159
but I genuinely believe. I mean, my pudgy, she was

815
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,239
sixty kilograms. She's a big girl. I mean, sometimes if

816
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,639
she's trying to chase I'd never let her, never let

817
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:25,719
her off the lead. She's a rescue dog, so I

818
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,239
couldn't le off the LEAs she didn't like her. She's

819
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,840
great with people, great with kids and that, but she

820
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,719
just didn't like other animals. And sometimes she'd be trying

821
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,920
to chase a kangaroo or a wallaby or things like that.

822
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,519
And I'm ninety between ninety and ninety three kilos. I'm

823
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,320
pretty strong for my size. I've done physical work my

824
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,320
whole life, and sometimes I take every answer strength for

825
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,400
me just to hold her back. She's that powerful. And

826
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,360
she's a very muscular, God breast her. She's a very

827
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,639
muscular dog and everything. So if you think you've got

828
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,360
an animal out there, probably at least four to six

829
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:02,639
times per size. I think it ran off because it

830
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,719
felt outnumbered. I don't know if I had claws, like

831
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,519
I had hands and claws what some people say. I

832
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,679
don't know if I had anything like that. But I

833
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,760
think it could have quite easily killed the three of us,

834
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,159
that's my opinion, if it wanted to. And if I

835
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,440
had been in there by myself, then now I wouldn't

836
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,039
to a chance. I'd probably stand more of a chance

837
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,000
for an eighteen foot saltly than this thing, you know

838
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,320
what I mean. It was like some people say, they

839
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,719
seem where they're standing like eight nine ten foot tall.

840
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,599
If this thing was standing on his back legs, then yeah,

841
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,320
I would say it's probably nine foot. It would have

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,199
been around that mark. I would think lots. I never

843
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,400
saw us hands, I don't have had claws or whatever. Well,

844
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,360
I've never seen an animal move that fast. I say

845
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,280
a greyhound would have kept up with But once that went,

846
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,440
that went, that was that was God in seconds, you know.

847
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:52,840
And that's another reason why I wasn't really going to

848
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,800
say anything. You're like, well, I must have imagined it,

849
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,840
but everyone until Toby said that he saw it, you know,

850
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,599
I thought, well, well, well that wasn't my imagination. That

851
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,559
was actually a real thing. So you do obviously start

852
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,800
second guessing yourself and start questioning yourself when you see

853
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,239
something that you don't think exists. But yeah, and that's

854
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,840
really the story of what we saw, you know, Vic, Yeah,

855
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,000
that's about it, really mate.

856
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot to put on the shoulders of

857
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,119
a sixteen year old or anyone at any age for

858
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:29,199
that matter. And I'm not sure if you knew it

859
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,960
or not, but there actually are a dog man reports

860
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:35,360
of eyewitnesses seeing them on the moors in England. Did

861
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,800
you know that.

862
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until I started looking into it.

863
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,239
I didn't even know what a dog man was. And

864
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,360
I remember there's a guy I can't think of his

865
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,440
name now, not the guy I sort of got in

866
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,719
contact with, but another one, and he saw one. He

867
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,599
said it looked like the one out of the American

868
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,119
Wealth in London. He lives up in Yorkshire. I think

869
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:56,960
it's on the main road between one of the main

870
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,559
roads between like Huddersfield and Doncaster or somewhere, and he

871
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:02,920
saw one up there on the moors. And I've worked

872
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,199
up there before on the power lines. So it's all

873
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Moors up there. You know, I definitely believe in the

874
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Beast of Bodening because they're just black panthers that were

875
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,400
let loose in the nineteen sixties or fifties, I think,

876
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,719
So I know they're definitely about there's definitely black pantherscis.

877
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,920
This is down in Devon and Cornwall, and I would

878
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,360
imagine there's things like that up there. But I mean,

879
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,119
after what he saw, I mean, there's no way that's

880
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,679
a black panther. You're talking about something huge, you know,

881
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,559
and like the one we saw wasn't anything like that,

882
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,840
like he saw one like the American Wealth in London

883
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,639
where we saw one that was just like the one

884
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:42,400
out of the Howling, you know. So if I can't,

885
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,559
I just don't see why anyone would lie about this.

886
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:46,800
You know, we're not trying to get any money out

887
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,519
of it. We're not trying to you know, most people

888
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,280
don't even want to give their name, so it's not

889
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,679
like people actually try to become famous or whatever. So

890
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:59,639
they must be seeing something, you know. So yeah, yeah,

891
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,719
So that's when I really started looking into it, and

892
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,079
that's when I'm sort of really started to deciding, you know,

893
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,199
maybe I should sort of get in contact with someone

894
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:07,800
which turned out to be you and tell you my

895
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,960
story and you know, we'll just let people know that.

896
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,480
You know, they're not just in Yorkshire, they're in East

897
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,519
Anglia and that as well, probably in Norfolk and places

898
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:19,920
of that as well, as you don't get to you

899
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,679
don't obviously get to see them very often. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

900
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,360
that's that's sort of really bad it on that.

901
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, these things are all over They definitely are.

902
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,119
And it's hard to play the glad game when it

903
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,760
comes to a dog mean encounter, but we can still

904
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,800
play it when it comes to yours, like you just

905
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,480
alluded to. Thank goodness, the one that you saw, you

906
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,360
basically came face to face with it. Thank goodness that

907
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,360
one didn't look like the one from an American World

908
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Wolf in London. Thank goodness it looked the way it did.

909
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Instead, if that looked like the American Way Off in London,

910
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,679
I honestly don't know what I would have done. I'll

911
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,760
be honest with you. If that looked like that thing

912
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,599
out of that film, I think I would have turned

913
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,000
around and ran in the opposite direction. I honestly do.

914
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,679
I don't think because it looked like a German shepherd,

915
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,920
I could have sort of I could identify it with that,

916
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,360
do you know what I mean? But if it looked

917
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,480
like something like what this gentleman said he saw, which

918
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,519
he obviously did, you know, then I don't know what

919
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,360
I would have done, and I think Toby would have

920
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,559
done the same. I think we had just turned around

921
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,119
and just sprinted and just hoped for the best. I

922
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,039
really do. I don't think we would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

923
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,199
There's no way I would have carried on running at it.

924
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,840
Let me put it that way. No way in a

925
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,880
million years, because that thing off the American Wealth from

926
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,679
London is blooming terrifying. But I do know one thing.

927
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,559
If you google images of the were wolf off the

928
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,079
film The Howling, there's a picture of the guy and

929
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,480
the lady I think he actually made that that were wolf,

930
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,000
and there's a picture of them standing next to it,

931
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,480
and they're standing on two legs, whereas one we saw

932
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,599
was on all fours. If that thing was standing, if

933
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,840
on one we saw stand on two legs, that's identical

934
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,800
to what we saw, long, scraggly hair, looked like a

935
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,400
German shepherd. That's that's that is what we saw basically,

936
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,960
except it wasn't standing on two legs, but that is

937
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,519
that is what we saw. And yeah, yeah, that's that's

938
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,480
definitely what we saw. I'm not sad I believe in

939
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,159
where wolves an act, but I'm not saying that they're

940
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,840
not real either, But that is that is the thing

941
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,960
that we saw. Mark.

942
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,079
Speaker 2: It sure does make you wonder when you consider the

943
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:41,960
fact that some in the eyewitnesses have reported that the

944
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,960
dog men they saw looked like the dog men over

945
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,800
here from an American werewolf in London, from every werewolf

946
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,119
movie basically, So it makes you wonder maybe there is

947
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:56,800
something to this idea that producers that Hollywood knows something

948
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,519
that we wouldn't have thought they knew.

949
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that well after this gentleman Tony

950
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,320
in Broom told me that they say that that he

951
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,360
said that that was actually a real thing that happened

952
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,280
to them to American guys. That makes you wonder, like,

953
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,400
where do they get the idea at that time to

954
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880
come out with a werewol film that looks exactly like that,

955
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,000
do you know what I mean? So it makes you wonder,

956
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:23,440
really because allegedly I don't know anything about this story,

957
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,639
but this gentleman Tony did. He told me all about it.

958
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:28,760
So it makes you wonder why all of a sudden

959
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,880
they came out with this American Wealth in London film,

960
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,519
when two American backpackers have been ripped apart on the

961
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,920
moors in Yorkshire and we never heard about it. I

962
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,440
didn't hear anything about it in England. So it does

963
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,400
make you wonder where they come up with these ideas.

964
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,880
Why were all of a sudden, you know, if Tony

965
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,119
is correct, that happened, you know, and then a few

966
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,239
years later the American Wealth in London comes out. Is

967
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,679
basically it's not it didn't run around London, you know,

968
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,159
and whatever. But what the original plot is of them

969
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,760
to because them two backpackers getting torn apart, you know,

970
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:04,920
it comes up with that item. It seems a bit

971
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,760
a bit coincidental really when you think about it. So

972
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,039
I think, if if there is such a thing, then

973
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:13,760
I would think that other people in the government would

974
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,039
probably know about this sort of thing. You know, if

975
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,199
that got out, you know that there is these things,

976
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,519
and then you know you're not going to be leaving

977
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,639
your house after dark. Euy. If you're living in these places,

978
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,159
let's be honest, you know. And but I say, if

979
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,800
I if what we saw was like the American Wealth

980
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,679
in London, then there is no way I'd have been

981
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,719
running at it. I would have taken my chance to

982
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,559
turn around and running. And I know for a fact

983
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,480
Toby would have as well. He wouldn't have ran at it,

984
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,880
or he wasn't running, but he was twenty foot to

985
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,480
my right. I was running straight at it, so I'm

986
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,480
pretty sure he'd have turned around and ran as well.

987
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,599
But I think it's because we could actually look at

988
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:50,280
it and say, yeah, it looks like a German shepherd.

989
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,039
But massive one, you know, is why I kept running

990
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:58,800
at it, you know. And but yeah, it's it's it was.

991
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:05,119
It was horrendo when it happened, but but yeah, yeah,

992
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,559
it's it's just it's just one of those things. Whether

993
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,079
I'll get to the bottom of it or not, I

994
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,760
don't know. But that's what we saw, Vick. You know,

995
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,159
I'm not going to see him and an about it.

996
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,679
You know, people could laugh at me, people are gonna

997
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,480
take the mickey or do whatever. I don't really care.

998
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:26,320
But you know, that's what we saw, you know, So yeah.

999
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,519
Speaker 2: You're right, that's what you saw on That's all there

1000
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,679
is to it. And thank goodness that it didn't play

1001
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,320
out so that you did turn around and bought the

1002
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,079
opposite direction. If you would have done that, I could

1003
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,400
understand it. But yeah, thank goodness that didn't happen. That's

1004
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,360
not how it played out. You said it looked like

1005
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,480
a six foot tall German shepherd as it was standing there.

1006
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,880
If it was that tall and off for us, though,

1007
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:49,480
how long would you say it was?

1008
00:51:50,800 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: Oh, you're probably talking cool. I reckon length? Why seven

1009
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,719
or eight seven? At least seven or eight feet long.

1010
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,800
I never noticed the tail though, I can never recall

1011
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:15,239
seeing a tail, but I'm saying seven or eight feet long. Definitely, Yeah, definitely.

1012
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
I never got I never got a frontal view of it,

1013
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,840
so I couldn't say see how like broad it was,

1014
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,880
how muscular it was. I never saw anything like that.

1015
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,320
I only saw when it's looking at the road. I

1016
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,679
saw it side on, and when it turned around, I

1017
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,000
saw it side on. But so I got, I'm not

1018
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:34,480
really sort of looking for muscles and claws and things

1019
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,079
like that because I just don't know what to do.

1020
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,719
You know, It's that sort of things sortready thinking about

1021
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,000
it at the time. So but yeah, I'm saying I

1022
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,079
would say I was. I would say it's probably at

1023
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,039
least seven to eight foot long, I would think. But

1024
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,000
its front legs were a lot longer than his back

1025
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,880
legs though, so it's more, you know, is his shoulders

1026
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,159
were a lot taller than that.

1027
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: It's you know what I mean, Oh sure, yeah, that's

1028
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,679
a normal future for these things. You talked about this

1029
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,840
whole government side of dog mean encounters. I've spoken with

1030
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,920
eyewitnesses from every continent except for Aantarctica, and it seems

1031
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,480
to me like the US government is definitely paranoid when

1032
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,800
it comes to these things. But if you think the

1033
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,239
US government's paranoid, it seems to me like the government

1034
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,679
over in England is especially paranoid about this getting out

1035
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:35,000
of the bag. So it doesn't surprise me that you

1036
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,559
hear of fewer and fewer encounters with these things getting

1037
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,320
out over there than they do over here. It seems

1038
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,559
like they're really stringent on squashing all that.

1039
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:47,639
Speaker 1: Well, well, man, if they can hear about this thing

1040
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,079
in Australia and we never heard about it in England,

1041
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,400
then they must be Well I was really shocked when

1042
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,639
he told me this, When Tony said, I mean I

1043
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,960
was really shocked before one. I can't be right, surely,

1044
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:02,159
but they they must have kept that right under wraps.

1045
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:06,000
They really must have done. I say, not no one

1046
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,000
as far as I'm aware, because trust me, we would

1047
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:10,679
have talked about it. We probably me and Toby wouldn't

1048
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:12,239
have said what we saw. I don't think we saw

1049
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,199
of just said there's no point saying anything to anyone,

1050
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,159
which is what we've done. We just me and Toby

1051
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,679
never spoke about it again. But I mean, if we'd

1052
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,559
actually heard that two hikers had been ripped apart by

1053
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,960
a were wolf, we would definitely would have come forward then,

1054
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,719
because we had come forth and said, well, this is

1055
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,199
what we saw. We didn't see the American wealth in London,

1056
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,199
but we saw the film of the werewolf, off the

1057
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,880
film The Howling. You know, we would definitely have come forward,

1058
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,360
so the government or whatever, if what Tony's saying is true,

1059
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,800
we would definitely have come forward. We would have had to.

1060
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,519
You know, we'd had too much that had been on

1061
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:49,320
our conscious, too much, our conscience too much, not wanting

1062
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,280
anyone else to get killed. And even if people were

1063
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,880
going to take the mickey out of us and everything

1064
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,880
like that, then yeah, we would have definitely come forward.

1065
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,679
But we never heard anything. But they heard about it

1066
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,800
in Australia, so I think that must be a bit

1067
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,760
of a government cover up there. I would think if

1068
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,079
what Tony's saying is correct, which there's no reason for

1069
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,079
him to lie. I mean, he's not gonna lie about it,

1070
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,639
because what would be the point. You know, he's got

1071
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,679
no reason to lie. So it wouldn't surprise me in

1072
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,159
the slowest if it's true, It would not surprise me

1073
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,079
in the slightest. You can't trust the governments for anything anyway. Vic,

1074
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:21,719
Let's be honest with you. All. They wanted your money

1075
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,360
and own and control everything, so you know why not

1076
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,920
that as well?

1077
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure they did sweep

1078
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,840
it under the rug. In thank goodness that you didn't

1079
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,280
run a foul of them because of coming out with

1080
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,239
what happened to you. So that's another way we complete

1081
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,039
the glad game. Considering the fact your encounter happened thirty

1082
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,320
six years ago, Mark, have you come to terms with

1083
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,320
it by now or are you still compromised by it?

1084
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Vic, Once me and Toby

1085
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,679
decided not to talk about it, it didn't bother me.

1086
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,760
It really didn't. Maybe I was at compartmentalized to where

1087
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,400
you call I can't think of the word now, and

1088
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
put it to the back of my mind and I

1089
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:10,320
never really thought about it again. And to be honest

1090
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,239
with you, because the Shepmland Dog is right where we

1091
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,639
saw we saw it on one side of the hedge.

1092
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,199
On the other side of the hedge is a little

1093
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:20,920
a little muddy path going down to Shepland Dog Pub

1094
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,440
and I walked down there a hundred times by myself

1095
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,519
at night, and not once did I ever think about it.

1096
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,920
And this was I did start walking down there, probably

1097
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,920
till three or four years later, to be fair, but

1098
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,480
I sort of pretty much blowed it out of my

1099
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:39,639
mind really until this happened. This thing happened in Wa

1100
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:42,920
in Western Australia, so I saw basically sort of forgot

1101
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,320
about it. But then again, you know, you've got to

1102
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,559
understand something big as well. I've listened to quite a

1103
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,920
few of your episodes where you know, some of these

1104
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,239
poor people they're getting chased by one and they get

1105
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,880
their dog ripped apart in front of them and you know,

1106
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,920
things like that. So I mean, we didn't have that

1107
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,119
like traumatic experience. You know, I didn't kill one of us,

1108
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,719
It didn't kill one of our dogs or actually have dogs.

1109
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,119
But I mean, so some of these people that you

1110
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:11,960
haven't here obviously have a massive traumatic experiences with these things,

1111
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,880
which we didn't. So I think that was quite easy

1112
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,960
for us to just forget about it. But I mean,

1113
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,559
if we'd seen that sort of tear and you know,

1114
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,280
a dog apart. So I had a dog, you know,

1115
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,440
like pudge you back in them days or something, and

1116
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,079
that ripped her apart in front of me, you know,

1117
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:28,960
I'm not going to leave the house at night ever again,

1118
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,280
to be honest with you. You know, So it never

1119
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,039
really affected me that way because all I've done, all

1120
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:38,119
I've done was saw it and watch it run off

1121
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,639
and couldn't I know, I just didn't know what it was,

1122
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,880
you know what I mean. So but nothing really traumatic.

1123
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,360
It was traumatic obviously because I didn't know what it was,

1124
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,039
but it wasn't like a traumatic experience where I saw

1125
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:56,440
it hurt someone or something something like that, where obviously

1126
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,320
with some of some of the people that you have

1127
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,920
on your show. I mean, that must be absolutely horrendous,

1128
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:05,039
some of the things they must go through. And to

1129
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:06,280
be honest with you, if I was in their position,

1130
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,199
I probably wouldn't leave the house again, and I would

1131
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:13,559
be paranoid about it, you know, if I saw something

1132
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,280
like that, and then me and Toby, to be fair,

1133
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,199
if we if we did have a dog, for instance,

1134
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:19,039
and I did do that, I think no one would

1135
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:21,039
have shut us up. We would have said, look, this

1136
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,840
is what we saw, this is what it's done. Get

1137
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,679
hold of the police. What are you going to do

1138
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:27,480
about it? You know, we've got to find it, you know.

1139
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,239
So we would have definitely become very vocal then. But

1140
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,639
all we did is saw it vic so it didn't

1141
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,199
really affect us that way, so we could forget about it,

1142
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,079
if if that makes any sense, you know. But I say,

1143
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:42,599
until this thing happened in the in the forests over here,

1144
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,000
it's only when once that happened that brought back all

1145
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,880
them old thoughts and feelings. I hadn't really I hadn't

1146
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,639
really thought about it, and I told a few people

1147
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,840
and things like that. I mean, you know, they they

1148
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:01,400
they sort of pacify, but you know they're thinking, yeah, whatever,

1149
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,119
you know what I mean. So which, to be fair,

1150
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,199
if I was in their position, i'd probably I think

1151
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,440
the same, you know, I'm not. You know, that's probably

1152
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,920
what I would be thinking as well, to be honest

1153
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,119
with you. But that's what we saw it, you know.

1154
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:21,840
And but I say it wasn't a massively over traumatic experience.

1155
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:24,400
But I'll say, some of these people that you have

1156
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,960
on here, you know, it's trying to break into your house.

1157
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:29,639
You know, it's toll your dog apart. You know, it's

1158
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:31,679
chasing you down the road when you're doing seventy miles

1159
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,360
an hour in a car. You know, we didn't have

1160
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,320
that experience, you know. But for these poor people that

1161
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,400
did have them experiences, I don't know what i'd have done.

1162
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,400
I would have been I would definitely be thinking about

1163
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,039
it a lot differently, let me put it that way

1164
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,639
to the way I do now or I have done

1165
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:51,760
since it happens, you know, So it was I think

1166
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,639
it was quite easy for me and Toby to forget in,

1167
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:57,960
you know, in my opinion, you know, but that's that's

1168
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,079
basically what we've done. Yeah, And I was say, until

1169
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,119
that thing happened down in the logging forest, that's when

1170
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,119
it really sort of came back and thought, well, maybe

1171
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:08,960
I should just look into obviously we didn't have the

1172
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,840
internet back in them days, you know. And then I

1173
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,880
end up obviously finding your things and started listening to them,

1174
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,800
and I thought, these two brothers saw one fifteen twenty

1175
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,440
miles from us, and that was during the day. I mean,

1176
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,039
this was on a full moon. You know, it was

1177
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:25,480
very bright night as well. There's no clouds in the sky,

1178
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,000
weren't a breath of wind. Is a really beautiful night,

1179
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,039
and yeah it was.

1180
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good you realize that your encounter was definitely

1181
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:38,840
on the benign side when it comes to dog me

1182
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,440
and encounters, and thank goodness it was, because as you realize,

1183
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,920
it definitely gets a lot worse than that. It really does.

1184
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh, some of some of these people I've heard on

1185
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,880
your podcast, I'm like, my god, you how do these

1186
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,440
people even carry on living there? To be honest with you,

1187
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:56,239
I mean, I had no choice. I was succeeed live

1188
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,480
with my mom and dad, you know. But you know,

1189
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,800
some of these people, they're over than me on your podcast.

1190
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,320
I mean, some of these experience they've had and they

1191
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,639
carry on living in the same place. Knowing there's something

1192
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,800
out there, and they done it to their dog, who's

1193
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,559
going to be next them? Do you know what I mean?

1194
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,679
Because you can do that to a decent sized dog,

1195
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,519
it can quite easily do it to a human. I mean,

1196
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,880
I honestly think that. I mean, if you I say

1197
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,159
said before, I mean, you know I've got Pudgey there,

1198
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,679
you're talking about something maybe five six four five six

1199
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,840
times the size of her. Yeah, that could have killed

1200
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,840
the three of us easy. We wouldn't stood a chance.

1201
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,320
We wouldn't have stood a chance against something like that,

1202
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:39,000
you know, the three of us against that, No, not

1203
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:41,880
a chance. You know, we had a massive head on it,

1204
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:47,880
big ears. Yeah, you know, we wouldn't. We wouldn't. But unfortunately,

1205
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,840
I think it must have felt that it was outnumbered

1206
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,360
and decided to run for it, you know. So you know,

1207
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,920
but some of these other people on your podcasts, you know,

1208
01:01:57,239 --> 01:01:58,880
I don't know how they continue living where they do.

1209
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:01,599
I really don't. I take my house to them, you know,

1210
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,719
And that's that's the truth. You know, they got better

1211
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,280
men and women than I am. You know, I certainly

1212
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,960
wouldn't be staying there again. You know, I'll be moving

1213
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,440
as quick as I could anyway.

1214
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: Oh sure, and understandably so, make no mistake about it.

1215
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,360
That dogged me knew full well that it could have

1216
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:22,079
just taken all three of you out without a second thought.

1217
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,760
It didn't run because it was frightened. It knew full

1218
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,440
well it could have dispatched all of you without a thought.

1219
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,599
But why it ran, I don't know. Maybe just to

1220
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,199
get out of your sight. Who knows for sure why

1221
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:35,320
it did that. But trust me when I tell you,

1222
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,480
like I said, it knew full well that you didn't

1223
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,119
pose any threat to it, and that's a fact. But

1224
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,440
having said that, Mark, it's about time for us to

1225
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,039
get out of here. But before we do, definitely clothes

1226
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:46,239
in comments you'd like to share.

1227
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just there's things out there that we don't

1228
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,079
know about, you know, we you know, we think we're

1229
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:57,639
this clever race of people and things like that, but

1230
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:59,360
we're not really, let's be honest. Mean, we can't even

1231
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,559
build the pyramide, you know. I mean, with all our

1232
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,000
so called technology. There's things out there. I mean, I've

1233
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,639
got a friend of a guy I used to work

1234
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,880
with on Western Power called Neville. He's retired now. He's

1235
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,239
as from West Australia. He's only ever less left Western

1236
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:15,840
Australia once. And you do get a lot of that

1237
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,920
over here in Australia. I've met people who've never left,

1238
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,199
you know, they're in their sixties and seventies, never left Queensland,

1239
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:25,039
you know, and Northern Territory in Wa in places like this,

1240
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:26,199
so you do get a lot of people like that.

1241
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:29,719
And he, him and his best friend, he grew up

1242
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,880
in Perth and basically besides going on holiday once abroad,

1243
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,960
he's never left the state. I think he's one till

1244
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,079
he is in in his fifties. He actually got a passport,

1245
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:42,159
you know. But him and his mate, they were his

1246
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,199
mate had a tinny we call him Tinney's. They're like

1247
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:46,760
a little tin boat what they call him tinnees over here,

1248
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,639
and there's like ten ten fifteen foot ten I think

1249
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,079
twelve foot teny something like that. And they went fishing

1250
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:57,079
just off Perth. There's a there's an island called Rottenss,

1251
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,519
really beautiful island. A lot of tourists go there now and

1252
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,159
they are about twenty miles past down a really nice

1253
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:06,679
calm dave fishing. And Neville was a lovely old boy

1254
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,760
he's a real nice person. And I never said anything

1255
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,360
about this. I never talked to it. He says, this

1256
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,920
is before anything happened. Before I'd totally forgotten about it.

1257
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,519
And evenough I did remember, I certainly want to be

1258
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,960
talking about it. So this was long before this thing

1259
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,760
happened down south of w A and all this love.

1260
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:27,960
And he said to me one day, he said, Neville

1261
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,639
and his mate were out on their fishing boat, on

1262
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,800
his mate's fishing boat, and they saw a fin of

1263
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,719
a shark. And then he said, this fin was about

1264
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,119
eight ft out of the water, and he said, you

1265
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,639
could see the tail. He says, it was the same fish.

1266
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,679
You could see it was the same fish. And he

1267
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:44,639
said it's probably about fifteen meters apart between the thin

1268
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:49,719
and the tail. See you're talking fifty a yeah, probably

1269
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,800
about fifty fifty to fifty five feet apart. And he says,

1270
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,159
I'll go, And he says, I'm sort of saying I

1271
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:58,519
was sort of looked at him, laughed. I said, you

1272
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:00,840
sure never was a couple of mate, And he says, no,

1273
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,920
he says, and he said the same thing basically as me,

1274
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:04,920
really al he said the same sort of things. What

1275
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,079
I think. Really, I don't care whether you believe me

1276
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:10,880
or not. That's what we saw, you know, because he

1277
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,920
said seriously, he said, I'll go to my dying day,

1278
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,719
to my last break, my last breath, saying this is

1279
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,800
what me and Jim or whoever his name is. That's

1280
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,519
what we saw, he said. And that was a megalodon.

1281
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,079
He said, There's nothing else it could have been. He said,

1282
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,000
there was There is nothing else in the ocean that

1283
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,760
we know of as that big. All that was that's

1284
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,440
existed that big, you know. So I'm saying, think, well,

1285
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,880
it must be got fifty to fifty five foot between

1286
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,719
the tail and the dorsal thing. Say, probably got to

1287
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:41,639
add if it's that, be probably another thirty foot on

1288
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,079
top of that to the tip of the nose sort

1289
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:46,480
of thing, or twenty thirty foot. So you're talking to,

1290
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,679
you know, seventy eighty foot shar gear and he said, yeah,

1291
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:51,840
I know. And I'm like, what did you do? He said,

1292
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,440
what do you think we've done? He said. He just

1293
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,840
looked at me like I was an idiot. He said,

1294
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,519
what do you think we'd done? He says, we pulled

1295
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,320
out wods in and just went straight in, straight back

1296
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,800
into emantle, which is where they where they sort of

1297
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,840
put the boat in the water. And then two weeks later,

1298
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:09,679
his mate Jim where his name is, I can't remember

1299
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:13,559
his name as Sam. Jim is an example. He had

1300
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,480
a boat pretty much all his life, and two weeks

1301
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:17,440
later he actually sold his boat and never went on

1302
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,360
the water again, and to this day, I don't think

1303
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,079
he ever has. So there's definitely things out there that

1304
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:26,599
we don't know about. And he's you know, and it's

1305
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:29,079
the same thing with him. Why would he lie? He says.

1306
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:30,679
I don't even care whether you believe me or not,

1307
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,320
he says, but that's what we saw. And that's that's

1308
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,360
the thing that you know, Why would these people lie?

1309
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,119
I mean, once I, once this thing happened down in

1310
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:42,400
this logging forest, I looked into bigfoot and things like this,

1311
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,199
and then I started looking into dog man, which I

1312
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:47,519
I just thought it was a were wolf. I didn't

1313
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:52,239
even know there was that terminology. And you know, you

1314
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,519
got I think they said, you got like five hundred

1315
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,159
confirmed sightings of bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest every year,

1316
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:02,960
and you can put that down to misidentifications, people having

1317
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,039
a laugh and things like that. But they can't all

1318
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:09,079
be lying, that's the thing. You know. Some of them

1319
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:11,719
probably are, but they can't all be lying. And the

1320
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,199
same with all the people on your podcast. There might

1321
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,199
be a few who might have might have been a

1322
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,119
bit confused, but there's no and wish to be honest,

1323
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,559
with all the ones I've heard sound one hundred percent convincing,

1324
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:24,880
And I don't think personally all the ones I've heard,

1325
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,000
I don't think any of them are lying. I really don't.

1326
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,039
And that just sort of concretes it even more that

1327
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,559
what we actually saw that we weren't actually even imagining it,

1328
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:37,079
you know. So with meglodons still exists. Neville, I'm telling

1329
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:38,480
you that he might not believe in dog men, but

1330
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,599
he would sit here and tell you exactly what he saw,

1331
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,000
and that was a megalodon. And who who am I

1332
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:45,360
to say that he didn't you know what I mean,

1333
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,559
I wasn't there, And why would he even say it?

1334
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:51,199
To start with, He's not trying to become famous, he's

1335
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,119
not trying to make money out of it. If anything is,

1336
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,239
it makes him look stupid in front of because yours

1337
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,760
is a bit like the English. We'd love to take

1338
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,599
the Micky out of each other, and he's setting himself

1339
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:01,199
up to the meat be taken out of him, you know,

1340
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,639
So why would he even say that to start with?

1341
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,960
So you know, I say, some people get a rise,

1342
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:11,079
I suppose out of making up lies, and you know

1343
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,920
what they do what they know like hopes, bigfoots and

1344
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,640
things like that. You know, but they're just idiots, which

1345
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,920
is a shame really because I do believe in bigfoots.

1346
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,840
I believe in yaw He's which is the Australian Bigfoot.

1347
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,880
I do believe in them. To be fair, I do

1348
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,920
believe in ghosts who actually lived in a haunted house once.

1349
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,960
So the ghosts definitely exist. I know that for a

1350
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:33,840
fact because me and my girlfriend and their two kids

1351
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,159
used to see one every day, probably twenty thirty times

1352
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:39,239
to day to see his big seven foot shadow. We

1353
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,880
found out years later they actually hung six people in

1354
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,600
the back garden, because there's built in the sixteen hundreds

1355
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,359
and actually hung six people in the back garden. And

1356
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:50,199
back in them days, they used to have the highwaymen.

1357
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,760
They were like the bank robbers back in them because

1358
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,439
the banks used to transfer money in horns and carts,

1359
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:01,279
and these highwaymen used to rob the horse and cards

1360
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,359
and actually hung six highwaymen in this back garden of

1361
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,920
this house that we were renting at the time, and

1362
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,880
I lived there for a year because there was nowhere

1363
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,399
else to rent. I mean, even the dogs used to

1364
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,600
go deserve for no reason. We all used to we

1365
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,560
all used to see this bloody thing. Oh sorry, this

1366
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,960
this thing. And yeah, so ghost definitely exists. Never would

1367
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,800
swear on Megla Don's exists. I swear that what we

1368
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,279
saw was the werewolf off the film The Hown. But yeah,

1369
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,199
there's there's things that we think we're intelligent, we think

1370
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,399
we're just like Super Race, But I don't think we

1371
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,560
know hardly anything about the real world if we're honest

1372
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,359
with you, if I'm honest, I think there's things out

1373
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:38,279
there that we wouldn't even dreamer out there. You know.

1374
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,880
This is the thing, Vick. I mean when I was

1375
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,119
when my last powerline job, I was up in Derby,

1376
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,279
which I say, it's a north and W way, and

1377
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,359
that used to take me two days to drive to work.

1378
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,640
I would drive from Derby through to a place called

1379
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,640
Horse Creek and then I stayed there the night in

1380
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,000
a hotel. I was in an old bucket drug cherry

1381
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,840
pick a bucket trug what we use on the power lines.

1382
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,800
And and then the next day I then drive about

1383
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,039
eight hours south through the desert or through the bush

1384
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,159
land and the scrub land and the desert. Basically it's

1385
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,439
the Tanama Desert to a place called Balgo, which is

1386
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,399
an Abiginal community, And I was running all the low

1387
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,640
volt which jobs out there, and you can dry and

1388
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,159
when that's a road, it's basically a dirt a corrugated

1389
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,000
dirt track, which is a dirt track. I don't think

1390
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,399
get in America. There's basically tracks that got corredations on

1391
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,960
the wind causes them and it basically rattles your car

1392
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:31,680
and your truck and everything to the absolute pieces. But

1393
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,800
I've driven down there for eight hours and not seeing

1394
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,079
another person, not like nobody, And I remember a few

1395
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:41,600
times you start thinking crazy things, obviously, but I remember

1396
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,399
thinking one day of the car, the truck has gone

1397
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:46,199
like this the whole way down this blooming road. That

1398
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drives you mad after a while, And I remember thinking,

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you know, if t rex ran out in front of

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me now and now, don't get me wrong, I think

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t rexes are extinct, but if one ran out in

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front of me. Now, I wouldn't be surprised because there

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is nobody. Here is nobody, and I've been driving for

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like four or five hours and haven't seen a soul.

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And the only way anyone would even know that there's

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something there is if they picked it up on Google Earth.

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Because there is in Australia, there's so many. I think

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it's eighty five percent of the population, So eight five

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percent of twenty six million live within a fifty klometer

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drive of the ocean, so fifteen percent of twenty six

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million people live in land further than that. So in reality,

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the majority of Australia there is nobody there. So they

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can't tell me that there's things out there that we

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don't know about. There's got to be things out there

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that we wouldn't have no idea there because there's nobody

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there to see them. And I say, unless you pick

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it up on Google Earth, you would not even know

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it's there. And you see what I mean. So there

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could be anything out there. I believe that. And if

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people turn into these things, I'm not going to be

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the first person say no they don't, because just because

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I haven't seen it doesn't mean to say that it

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doesn't happen. I'm not saying that it does. But if

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someone told me that, I'm certainly not gonna take the

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mickey and say, now you're full of it, you know

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what I mean, because what would these people say these

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things to start with? That's my opinion, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, I don't believe that people turn into wear wolves.

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I do believe the dog men look the way they

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do twenty four seven three sixty five. I'm not going

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to say in this wild, crazy world it's impossible for

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there to be such things as were wolves, but I

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do believe that it's much more likely that dog men

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just are dog men all the time, and that's all

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there is to it. But having said that, Mark, I

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can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the details

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of that experience with this. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: No problem anytime, Vick, I'm glad. I hope, I hope

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he you know, it might get a bit more information

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out there from where I grew up and where these

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other gentlemen grew up that maybe someone you know can

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hear these and maybe I hopefully save a life maybe,

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you know, I don't know how, but just getting awareness

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out there is a good thing I think, Oh it is.

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Speaker 2: It definitely is. Well, thanks again so much for your time,

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and have a great night.