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Speaker 1: Everyone back to the Peking Yana Show well with amplars.
Speaker 2: Here for the first time. How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Man a warm tired, beaten through going through.
Speaker 1: You want to tell anybody, give any background or however
much you want to tell about yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh well, professionally, I'm a renaissance man of sorts. I
do like ad work, architecture work, design work, writing work,
coding work, so I just kind of have tiny income streams. Overall,
I try to be a resourceful person. That's me personally,
and then on the Internet, I just mostly well I
haven't been writing on subsect as much as I should have,
but mostly just like attempts at art slash AI art
slash making non sloppy art by abusing algorithms. But other
than that, just political insights, religious insights, history insights.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you've never been on the show before,
but we have been on the same stream Old Glory
Club stream Pony Express Radio.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: This basically wanted to start talking about something that you
had mentioned the last time you were on Pony Express,
and I think it's something that a lot of people
are not taking into consideration, is the fact that eventually
the Democrats are going to get back in power, and
how do you think that they're going to act when
they get back in power.
Speaker 3: Well, they went through four years of people not following
their authoritarian laws and not believing all of the things
they were scare mogering about, and then they lost the
election in with a billion dollars in the hole. I
think they're pretty pissed and want some vengeance. And Democrats
I know who Ah, I guess you could say, I
won't say how. I know when they're not ranting, they
start bormenting and scheming in very I like to say
the Democrat Party currently has a problem with murdered illusions
just like these. You know, people are that are angry
will in like a kind of berserked feeling. They'll describe
their mind's eye, and it's often full of these fantasies
of murder and vengeance and destruction. And that's when you
know someone has started to become mentally ill. And I'm
noticing that a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, well let's take it in this direction.
Some people will say, oh, that's just them talking online,
and someone like me will go, well, when I look
at the situation we're in, I see the Spanish Civil War.
I think there are a lot of parallels to the
Spanish Civil War. And people are like, oh, these are
just like crazy people and LARPers on the internet saying
stuff like this. And I'm thinking, but, you know, leading
up to the Spanish Civil War in the early thirties,
if there had been the Internet, do you think that
they would have just been quiet about what they planned
on doing or do you think that crazy people will
actually say it out loud?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely would say it out loud, and I
think in the Spanish Civil War they often did say
it out loud in the ways they could in newspapers
and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if that's if that's the kind of mentality we're
dealing with, what does the future look like? Because I
have a tendency to believe. For a while there, I
was kind of convinced that we were going to be
able to bypass this, and it wasn't. Because I thought
that the Trump election was going to change much. I
thought it would give us some breathing room, and I
still think it has.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought that these people would basically fall in
line like they've done in the past. Famously Germany, a
lot of the people fell online and a lot of
the people just left. But I don't think that's going
to happen, and I think that a lot of people
are convinced, Oh, because USAID has been so much defunding
has been done. Well, I mean, we don't know what's
been done to It has just been turned over to
the State Department. So I think people think, well, these
people don't even have the funds to organize anymore. Well,
if you know who to listen to, there are people
who monitor the left and they go on their calls
and they find out what they're planning on doing. And
we have May Day coming up and also Monday, May
the fifth, where a lot of things are planned. I'm
not saying they're going to be burning stuff down, but
I'm saying that there's going to be a show of
people on the streets. And I think people I think
a lot of it will be downplayed, but I think
if you really look at it, a lot of people
going to be surprised that these people aren't going away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like the big influences and money in this
country went with Trump because they saw this was coming
and wanted to give an off ramp to most of
the country. I'm not quite convinced Trump magically rallied so
many people to him. It seemed like it was somewhat
organized behind the shadows. People were aware that the country
had sunken itself into a pretty big financial hole, and
internationally they were falling apart, and they knew that they
didn't find an off ramp, things would start blowing up
pretty quickly. And I think they're worried because not many
people took the off ramp, at least on the left.
It seems like the it did seem initially like some
of the Democrat politicians were like advertising the off ramp
of like just like, oh, let's just humbly accept this,
and a lot of the Democrats finance people that didn't
finance Kamala Harris where, you know, and kind of we're
financing Trump.
Speaker 2: They were kind of.
Speaker 3: Like talking about this being, oh, it's a centrist movement,
we're restoring normalcy. And I think they found themselves rather
shocked in the last couple of months that the far
left has not taken the off ramp. Instead, they've accelerated
even further, and they've you know, we've already seen the
the the occasional damages of like I guess you could
say icons of the rights power if you will, But
like Elon Musk and stuff. It's it's kind of funny
that Elon Musk became this like boogeyman to attack because
they couldn't defeat Trump in the election. It was a
very I guess you say, classic scapegoat move. And I
guess in their minds they thought, oh, if I can,
I may not be able to defeat Trump, but if
I can defeat this guy, it will be good enough,
which is kind of like the psychology behind it. And
you know you saw like, yeah, Muscus suffering economically, but
they're not satisfied with that scapegoat and now they're starf
to plot. I guess you could, like you've been saying.
Speaker 1: Well, targeting Musk seems historic, right, you blame the blame
the billionaire who I think this is probably unprecedented, has
been invited and been invited into the government to cut
the free stuff that you look upon as like the
sacraments of your religion. So they have their their enemy.
They're isolating their enemy, and I can only see them
the Musk, the targeting of Musk as something to build upon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and seeing that, you know, Tesla suffered quite a
lot in their quarter or earnings. People are not. I
think there's a bit of a fear factor in that,
but who wants to pay the insurance of getting targeted.
But there's also the they could probably feel emboldened that
they they hurt, this seemingly untouchable and now they might
start expanding that.
Speaker 2: Right, well, that.
Speaker 1: Is what it seems they. I think people have really
short memories. I don't really see a lot of people
talking about twenty twenty in the fact that there was
a color revolution in the United States and that you
know a lot of those people are still around. Sure
it's five years later. Maybe some of them got married
and had kids. Maybe they didn't. I'm thinking a lot
of them did not. Maybe they're just waiting in the
wings for something new. And when somebody first takes office
and starts, it's smart to see maybe sit back, relax
a little bit and figure out what they're doing and
what they're going to cut and what direction they're going
in and being able to figure out where is the
best place to focus your energy. And you know it's
by doing it with billionaires. It's these aren't people who
are very sympathetic, but it certainly is it. It's certainly
we can't discount the fact that this summer what happened
in twenty twenty could happen again. And let's remember who
was president in the summer of twenty twenty, and did
he deploy anything to stop these people?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: No, And if he's not going to do that, and
he's not if he has some kind of he's holding
on to some kind of quote unquote democracy, which is
just basically anything the Democrats like, then what what could
possibly happen? What could possibly start to wake tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think they'll try the race card
again if I think that's still kind of burnt out.
So what might be an alternative if they don't go
with the race card is something to think about. It'll
probably be the race card, but it might be worth
considering if they're worried, because let's be real that the
racial relationships in this country have not improved since twenty twenty.
And I don't think using that card now will stir
people to their side at all. But then again, they
may not care. If no one's started to this side,
it might just be pure terror, pure terror campaign.
Speaker 1: Well, when you see something like Austin Metcalf and then
I think some genuine reaction and some genuine provocation on
social media, but also a lot of astroids are where
you know, he deserves it. You know this this is
only the beginning kind of stuff White people don't deserve
to live. It just seems like if you're going to
if you want to start a true revolution, you're going
to have to get the other side riled up enough
that they make a move. And a lot of what
I think, a lot of what we're seeing is leading
it down that path, or could lead it down that path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I know in the history,
they they've typically tried to stir the right to act first.
And I get one of the things I got from
this election is that white people in America are a
lot more at least the younger people are a lot
more organized, and they're they're kind of forming a primitive
racial consciousness, I want to say, And I don't know
if there'd be they'd be willing to play into that
the island of isolation that millennials were victim to, that
that often allowed lone gunmen to form and do things
at the bigest of the propaganda they were listening to.
I mean, that's now mostly shifted to the left, actually,
and it's the right wingers that are more organized, aware
of each other's thinking, and talk to each other a
little bit more. And it's not the lone gunmen are now,
you know, trans shooters and leftists and the stuff like that.
This year alone, I can't come to mind thinking of
any right wing school shooters. I don't think there's been
any in a very long time now, And that leads
me to think that if they're gonna try to stir
the right to do something to make it look like
they started it, I don't I don't know for sure
what kind of tactics they could use to to infiltrate
groups of people rather than infiltrate individuals, because usually the
standard practice was you the government's clean up guys. Let's
say they would go into like a group chat somewhere
or discord channel, they'd isolate someone, they'd find someone to isolate,
DM them, like kind of radicalize them in private, and
then let the play that the cards play as they will.
That doesn't work as much anymore. So I don't know
if they can stir the right wing to act first
that I might be talking on my ass on all
you think, But that's that's the vibe I'm getting.
Speaker 2: I guess sure.
Speaker 1: I mean unless it's something that just has to be answered.
I mean like a mass casualty events or something like
that that people feel like has to be answered. But
to take it back to what I what I said
at first, Yeah, they can just have little brush fires
for four years or eight years or however long. I mean,
we do not know what's going to happen Trump is
I do not get the idea that like Project twenty
twenty five, which was supposed to basically be a dismantling
of the men of the managerial state of the deep state,
Basically that's not going to happen. It's going to be
piecemeal here and there. There were going to be some things,
but basically what's going to happen is is the power
that's going you know, we just we're having people fired
from the Pentagon and fired from the State that you
know as leakers. Oh, this is these without any evidence whatsoever,
with no you know nothing. Then you just had that
guy who was on Tucker yesterday, and this isn't going
to be taken apart. So what do we have going forward?
We're going to have the same thing we had. We're
going to have elections, and if the Republican when the midterms,
well that's just going to rile up even further. If
the Republicans win in twenty twenty eight, when the White House,
that's going to right. Eventually the Republicans are going to lose, because,
let's face it, what we know from history is if
you don't utterly destroy the left, they're going to come
back with a vengeance and they're going to They don't
care about limits on power. They don't care that, Oh,
if I grow the state this much, then when the
Republicans get into power, they can use that power against me.
You know why they don't care about that because the
Republicans never do so at some point they're going to
get back in power. And after the way you saw
for the last four years, the way they talk about us,
so last eight years they talk about us, and I'm
not talking about like like we're maga guys. You know,
I think we consider ourselves to be like real right wingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what do you like? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I before the election, I was on various OGC groups.
I was I was kind of warning like, don't think
of Trump any more than a pause. Uh, He's He's
not like some bass right wing guy.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 3: He's not He's not like Franco. He's more like President
Bismarck before the Wimer fell. He's he's there pausing the radicalization.
He's there pausing the left. He's not gonna be able
to undo the left or fight against them. Trump was
only ever good as a pause, as a period of
like two to four years to to essentially like like
make yourself more more more sturdy and able to resist
the inevitable counterattack. People like to think of Trump coming
back as empire strikes back, but not really. It's it's
more like he's just a pause. He's ultimately just a
pause from what the left was doing. And I think,
you know, yeah, I think we were hoping that there
would be more direct dismantling of the managerial state. But
you know, we can you can almost equate what's happening
now with with law, law fare, and and propaganda as
a kind of like modern day trench warfare. It's bobbed
down in trench warfare, and unless some innovative technology or
tactic or third party comes in, that trench warfare is
only going to just bog people down for four years.
That can't sustain itself forever, because again, trench warfare itself
is also just a pause. It's a pause from someone overcoming.
And I think once you kind of frame it that way,
you can kind of realize the situation you're in, where
like your job at this point is to think of
some new tactic while you're taking artillery shells undercover. That's
basically your position. You're not storming forward, you're not moving
the front line. You are taking shells and hoping to
god one doesn't land on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people think the USAID, the defunding, the things that
you're seeing right now, that you seem to be causing
some groups to you know, file lawsuits, some groups to
go out of business, some offices to close that somehow
this is that's what was funding all of all of
these groups, and a lot of it was. But the
same people, you know, the same kind of maga people
will will be like, oh, yeah, USAID, look look what
we've done. Oh and you know, eighty five percent of
billionaires vote Democrat or support Democrats. Okay, so what does
that tell you? You you think you've cut their funding off?
You don't think they have other places to go. I mean,
these are the same people who scream Soros.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can kind of view these organizations as the assets
put forward in a quarter to do political action. It's
not the liquid asset that's behind it, that's still in private,
private reserves of these billionaires. The money that they put
forth for political action is in those federal programs to
do action. So essentially, what you've done by closing those
down is you canceled the political action of like one
season of war. You haven't actually defeated the enemy. You
haven't actually sent the enemy back to their front lines.
You've just crippled them for one season of war. And
that's pretty much it. They'll find they'll they'll find new
organizations to pump the liquid assets into action. They'll find
new avenues to radicalize people to their side. It's just
that one front has been crippled and not occupied, right.
Speaker 1: And if you're not systematically seeking to dismantle and destroy,
to isolate and destroy, to basically figure out who these
people are and destroy them, then you're not you're not
playing a long game. And if there's anything we know,
we know that this regime, you know this leftist regime
that's been going on for at over one hundred years.
And I know some people are like, oh, what does
leftist mean? I mean, it's really the closest you can
come to to use saying democrats retarded as far as
I'm concerned, But leftist makes a little more sense. They're
they're still there, they're still plotting the wars, they're still
getting people fired, they're still standing in the way of
things you want to get done. I mean, look at
what they I mean, has there been any more brilliant
strategy than stacking every court in the land.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if Trump was serious about destroying these people,
he'd stacked the court, the Supreme Court with like twenty
people that are like in their twenties and on his
side politically, he'd stacked them. He'd expand the court to
twenty people with people our age group and younger. That's
what he would do. But he's not doing that because
he wants to again, like Trump was only ever a
pause of the crazy. It wasn't actually a fix for
the fixes are all I feel like that the strategies
are what's that saying you guys have, Like, the strategies
are all known, but we can't say them. There's something
along those lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, something like all of our solutions are
fed posts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the one. So I guess i'll i'll
mention what why you asked me on for that quote
from Ratnick? What was the guy's name?
Speaker 1: It was, Oh, Jamie a guy. What the hell's name?
Jamie Raskin?
Speaker 3: He is a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a Democrat, Democratic representative, and he was He
basically said, if and when we come back to power,
we are not going to look kindly. And he made this.
He's basically saying that about countries that are supporting Trump.
So my question would be, if he's saying that about
countries that are supporting Trump, what about the people they've
already threatened. I mean, they're throwing people in jail for praying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring that up at the bridges over now,
because like, obviously he's basically threatening an intervention in El Salvador.
But that would just be like the tip of the
spear Berg spearhead on the foreign side. On the domestic side,
you can expect something much worse where they actually have
power to do things. What that hints at, you know,
he revealed a little bit of some of their plans.
But you can assume is if they're if he's actively
threatening for an intervention of an allied country, they're probably
planning on like mass domestic infiltration to find anybody that
opposed them and punish them and ruin them so they
can never speak erect again. And that was basically what
I what I kind of mentioned on the OGC stream
a few weeks back, where like you have to look
at twenty twenty eight, something like forty five months from
now as a as a terminus. It's it's an inevitable
coming point where you have to assume you're not going
to win in order to have the focus to win.
So look at twenty twenty eight November twenty January twenty
twenty eight as the as the point of twenty twenty
nine actually as the point when you are going to
have to have the means to protect yourself. What degree
that that is whether you delete on your social media
and are able to work independently, or you have you've
amassed the funds to support your friends, which is much
more important. You have to spend the next four years
of your life, assuming you will be in jail or
tortured in four years, because that's what they want. And
the only thing that will stop that is essentially if
it comes out what they're doing in the public eye.
You have to assume that that, like that that storm
coming in forty five months is coming. You cannot stop it.
How can you batten down the hatches and be prepared
for it? I'm maybe jd Vance wins and Jadvance isn't
exactly the savior of the right wing or something like that.
Maybe they but instead maybe they take over the House
and send it in twenty twenty six and they kick
Trump out of the White House. That could happen. It
may be, It may even be healthier to think about
you only have two years for this, Like it's entirely
possible to impeach Trump in two years and your your dream,
your maga cope comes to an end, right, So like
you have to like you can't waste this period of
time by just yelling pleasantries like like Trump is, you
have you have to actually start preparing the means to
protect yourself legally and else wise, because it's it's coming.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what that's what most people don't
want to accept. And I think part of the reason
for that is that people think that they've been they've
been conditioned to believe that all.
Speaker 2: The answers come nationally.
Speaker 1: And not that you need to prepare for this on
an individual level or you know, and then once you
prepare for it on an individual level, on a level
where you actually have people that you can rely.
Speaker 2: Upon to.
Speaker 1: You know, a collective. And I think that that's one
thing that national politics and especially what you see what
MAGA is is, and especially with political parties in this country.
You know, Thomas seven seven seven always talks about these
aren't political parties. Who's paying dues to it? Who's been
kicked out because they don't believe in the party platform?
What is the part platform? These aren't political parties. These
are just syndicates that are willing to change on a
dime what they believe in order to keep their power.
And Trump maybe that may be the one reason why
they if they genuinely don't like Trump, they don't like
him because he's not part of one of those syndicates.
He may be, he's most likely just part of his
own syndicate. He has his own syndicate, but is he
setting it up so that his syndicate wins.
Speaker 2: No. So literally, what do you do.
Speaker 1: If if it is an inevitability that the regime is
going to take back power? The question becomes, what are
they going to do to you? I remember talking to
you Orn McIntyre a couple of years ago, and it
wasn't even clear Trump was going to But by this time,
it wasn't even clear Trump was going to run again
or even be able.
Speaker 2: To run again.
Speaker 1: And I said, I basically it told them. I said, look,
if the Democrat wins in twenty twenty or in twenty
twenty four, I think some of us are taken out,
that they will just take some of us out, you know.
And I think, you know, I'm not one of these
people who was like podcasters are going to change the
world because I'm a podcaster.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't have those kind of delusions.
Speaker 2: But they.
Speaker 1: They always make examples of people, and it seems like
they're going to get sick of making examples of little
Catholic ladies who are praying at abortion clinics after a while.
Speaker 3: That's an excellent point where I think what we're all
witnessing is the left getting tired of making examples at
the higher ups. I mean, one thing is there are
certain factors to bear in mind here that I've mentioned
in different places. The average age of a boomer is
going to hit the average mortality rate of this country
in two years, and after that, the institutional structure of
the post war way of doing things, you know, soft
power making examples don't get too directly involved unless the
country has oil, that will accelerate as those people, the
loss of that structure will accelerate as they die off
to the average age of mortality hits in two years.
But that accelerates exponentially, So by twenty twenty eight when
that election happens, there will be ten million fewer boomers
in this country, ten million fewer old voters. Now there's
a lot of hohola about oh, the zoomers are more
right wing than ever. Okay, but there's more millennials and
they're more left wing. And not for nothing, but when
those tamilion boomers die out, the country is not gonna
be majority white anymore. That's just a statistical fact. And
so you're gonna have this this this period of remaking lines,
and everybody's out to like everyone's out with their with
their knives to claim a piece of the boomer a
boomer empire essentially. And if you're just like a lacks
nobody hoping no one notices you, I mean, A, you're
not gonna have any political say because people are gonna
ignore you, and B you're gonna be ran over by
anybody looking to take what they can even now, even
as the Republicans are in power. What do I see
in New York City? I see groups like like large
NGOs and groups buying properties when the boomers die and
giving it over to like Muslim families that are that
are like somehow getting access to it. I see. I
see different organizations buying businesses, but an old boomer pizza
house goes out and it's split up to three different
like mob ventures from for some minority groups like the
The active colonization of this country is ongoing despite Trump
being in It's all under the cover, it's all not visible,
but it's happening still. And these are gonna form blocks
that you can't access. You don't have the money or
power of these NGOs to get that property. They're always
gonna outbid you on the property. They're always gonna outbid
you on the business. They're always gonna outbid you, on
the loans, Theyre always gonna outbid you everywhere. So if
you don't start getting ready now, you're gonna it's not
even they're gonna come for you. You're you're just gonna
be cut out. No one we even noticed that you're
you're you're killed. Basically, you're gonna be completely forgotten. This
is These are all factors to bear in mind even
before they take power. This is happening while Trump is
in power. It's it's kind of a crash out happening
right now nationally. And at the same time, it's it's
a time to organize and do things for you, for
you and your friends and people. If you're willing to compete.
I hate saying that you should have to compete for
your own homeland, but that's the point you're at right now.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you also taken to you talked about the
boomers dying and you know the overwhelming majority of them
are gonna be white. Well, let's let's talk about immigration.
If he doesn't deport.
Speaker 3: What million people twenty like ask people than the boomers
are dying out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he doesn't do that and he doesn't shut
the border, and then what happens, I mean, it's it's
just gonna get worse. And what happens the next time
a Democrat gets in there. I think it was oil
Field Rando who had a tweet the other day. He said,
Democrat gets elected, let's in fifteen to twenty million. You know,
let's in fifteen million people. Republican gets elected, doesn't do anything,
deports a million Democratic And so I did, let's send
fifteen million people. How long do you have a country?
Speaker 3: Not long?
Speaker 2: I mean we don't have one now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really think people should understand that. I've been
telling my parents, you don't live in the United States anymore.
You live in a Soviet country. You have to stop thinking.
My parents didn't want to hear it, but slowly they've
come over to this fact as they've seen their neighbors
get replaced by foreigners over and over again. And this
might be something to tell you're like older people in
your life, even millenniums in your life, Like open your
fucking eyes, ticket get up the screen and walk around
your neighborhood and see how many Americans live in your neighborhood,
Like they're not many left. I got kind of sidetracked.
But one of the main points I was doing with
this is when those boomers are gone and the institutional
wisdom is gone, they're going to be playing by a
new set of rules, a violent set of rules, and
there's not gonna be any old boomer with power to
stop them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, bless his heart for being an the crepit
crump man. He's stopped the crazies occasionally, if from going
too far. And because he had that boomer soft power mindset.
Kamala comes in or someone like her, they're not going
to give a shit about soft power. They're gonna do
hard power because they do feel threatened, and not for nothing,
you know, Like with the death of the boomers also
comes another factor. Support for boomer interests and the younger
generation that's inheriting those interests is going out the window too,
So like you know, Israel's going to be forced to
compete for financing with everybody else. It's not going to
be a special nation anymore in the eyes of the
average American. And if the millennials and younger aren't giving
a shit about the Middle East or the Holy Land,
they're going to be looking more locally in what they
can grab from here as it goes as the ship
goes down, and all the eyes and all the knives
are gonna be pointing it here, not outward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you or I are not going
to argue that we'd love to see the Israel's interest, Wayne,
But really what happens when what usually causes the interest
of one group to Wayne, it's the interest of another
group or other groups stepping in and replacing that. And
I think you see that now. I think that's why
you see you know, you go on Twitter and you
you see the reaction. You see Douglas Murray, you know,
with his clown show and Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan
today with his clown show. They're panicking, and that's why
you see so many You've seen so many of them
come into come over to the the anti immigration side
because why because it's against their self interest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're they're pandering. They're pandering as much as they're panicking.
They're they're desperate to find a new post organism to
do their bidding because the boomer host organism is dying
out and any good parasite wants a healthy host and
they're hoping, they're hoping that they can hijack the right
wing to protect them, but they sure, it's all I'm
going to protect you in exchange. Don't fall for it.
Don't give a shit about you. You're just bodies for
them to cover behind the bullets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know they Yeah, the argument could be
made that their interests, whether they be right wing or
left wing or whatever, yvery responsible for a lot of
this immigration. Yeah, they've bragged about it going into Europe
and you know, and so now they're like, oh, we
have to reverse this. It's like, well, what do we
do to ourselves here? Look at London. You know, That's
why you have someone like Tommy Robinson running around who
all he wants to do is talk about the Muslims
well or the you know, the Muslims or the package whoever,
whoever it is. I don't ever hear how often do
you hear anybody talking about why they're there and who
put them there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Windrush generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I got invited to Easter dinner to some of
my Italian neighbors and one of them I grew up with,
and so we kind of we shared the same experiences
of the country being lost growing up, and so we
kind of both are on the same level in terms
of like why why is this becoming Israel first? Why
is Trump doing this? But a lot of the family,
even in our age group, is still stuck on the
boomer play card and script about Israel first. Oh, Israel's
are our wall against the Muslim terriss and I just
stripped hold this kid, h how many mosques were in
Europe before Israel was founded versus now? And he couldn't
give an answer. It's just a focusing on the straight
backs does convince people very often, but like you kind
of have to start preparing to put yourself and your
people as the goal, not some foreign people. Like the
next four years, you're gonna see Zionists constantly try to
latch on like a mosquito to suck the blood, and
you just you gotta keep them out. It's Americans need
to organize and protect their country for themselves. Everybody else
wait in line if even you get an answer, And
that's one of the main things that I think, that's
one of the main things that has to be done
for like the young people who are growing up and
still stuck on the Boomer step Script Libertarians and such.
But like there does need to be a lot of
gatekeeping against these like leftovers of the Zionist boomers desperate
for a new organism to latch onto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see so much of what they're trying
to do. Now, Oh, if Israel falls, the West falls Israel.
The Western culture came from Jerusalem. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so we're It's like it was Judisalm was
ruins when Western civilization grew out of Rome's ruins.
Speaker 1: I mean Jerusalem, Jerusalem at the time of Christ was
Greco Roman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the I mean the main language of the
Jews was Greek, it wasn't Hebrew anymore. And Aramaic, but
that's like a Syrian import and like the I don't
know where people get this from. Like the last cultural
export that Jerusalem had was like Daniel five hundred years
before Rome, and he was like, you know, this place
is fucked, And I don't know why people look up
to Jerusalm like this. I'm like, I'm not Protestant anymore.
But one of my favorite quotes from Luther is if
the Holy Land was holy, why God make it a desert?
It's like it used to. It used to be a
fruitful land, but it's a desert now. And it's just No,
Western civilization did not come from Jerusalem. Jerusalem threatened a
core of Western civilization when they killed Christ and then
the survivors went west to help Western civilization overcome that danger.
It's just one of those things where it's a ridiculous statement.
And again, just like how many mosques were in Europe
before Israel's founded, how many mosques are in Europe after
Israel's founded. That's all that's just raw factual data that
you can't explain. If Israel is supposed to be our
or like a wonderful war against Islamic terrorism. No, it's
an open gate and it's just left people in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I tend to agree with my friend Tommy
Simon's if if something was to happen where you had
like a national politics revival, that would be like the
final boss. It's like that would be the final thing
you'd be overcoming. But you know, as I think, I think,
as Trump doesn't do these deportsas I still have hope
that monetarily, some things are going to be fixed, Some
things will be fixed in the financial system, that will
be helpful to us. It won't last forever, but it'll
give us enough time to you know, some breathing room
to prepare to acquire things and to buy hard assets,
especially land and houses.
Speaker 2: Yes, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't see when you look at
the situation we're in, really the only I think the
only thing you can do is you yourself as an
individual and the people you choose to collectivize with. You
have to do everything you can to remove yourself from
that system and basically become self sustaining. And I mean
that doesn't mean I'm not talking about you know, where
you're going to do the do a Mount Caramel with
branch Davidians or something like that, but you know you
can be in be in certain areas. And because I mean,
I just don't see how there's two things I don't
see us see us being able to avoid. One is Balkanization.
I think that's just it's on the table. And anyone
who I think anyone who's like, no, no, no, that China,
excuse use it, all the excuses they have, which they're
legitimate excuses. I'm not dismissing. I'm not saying you're black pilling,
they're they're legitimate excuses. It doesn't matter. Balkanization is still
on the table, and so is mass violence there. I'm
not saying that there is going to be a civil
war that's going to spread out all over the country,
but there are going to be pockets of rural versus
urban violence. And if people are not getting if people
are not preparing themselves for that, I I think they're
they're lost at this point.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't take much to set like even
whenever that's scheduled to happen. If things continue, it wouldn't
take much for a foreign power to induce it upon us,
like China cutting off our medicine or something like this
would stir millions of people to panic because they're literally
gonna die if they don't get something, and you have mobs.
So we're not only headed in a bad direction, we're
kind of like too dependent on other countries to avoid
it happening. Eventually. This trade this trade war was trying
to I like it, but we didn't prepare for it,
and we're kind of fucked now. On the on there's
one maybe good thing from from how bad it's going,
is that without so much pre made up money cheaply available.
All political actors are gonna have a lot less to
work with, so they're going to shed a lot of
dead weight. But that also means they're going to radicalize more.
They're gonna centralize more. You always saw with the Democrat
bar left side. I mean, the far left may not
even be Democrat anymore. You're right, I should probably stop
calling them democrats. They're just open communists and they're working there.
They're in the process of purging their weaklings, like like,
the Democrats have basically lost control of their useful idiots,
and now you can call them their own faction. Many
of them don't want to vote for the Democrats ever again.
They want to do some kind of democratic socialist thing
or I don't know. And that's probably gonna happen on
the right way too, I mean, I mean, if Trump
doesn't deport people, if Trump doesn't do what he said
he was going to do by twenty twenty eight, you
might see a breakup of that faction to go for
someone more radical. So that Balkanization is going to show
up in the politics first, but in the process it's
going to show up, Like you said in cities and
urban and rural conflicts. I don't know, it's it's it's
kind of yeah, I was just thinking this. This for
some reason's brought to mind. Do you know who Richard
Wolf is?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like he was like that old Democrat economic
advisor who's recently openly become like a Maoist champion of China.
And this is something I'm noticing with a lot of
wealthy Democrats where they're actively moving their assets to China,
preparing for what's going to happen here, and like they're
preparing to just bail on the ship if they can't
win outright, they're just gonna leave and leave us to
the chaos that they've inflicted with balcanization. So I don't
know which course they're gonna go, but already you see
amongst the left, some of them are fleeing, some of
them are reinforcing the trenches, and some of them are
actively going on law bear with their corrupt judges. Those
are kind of like an organism that's that's threatened, trying
every tactic it knows at once to see what sticks.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I think that that's you're you're
also seeing that on the right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's there's there's.
Speaker 1: The you know what I call the Kosher right, and
you know, I mean, I don't I doubt that I
coined that phrase. You ever use a phrase for so
long you wonder if you came up with it. And
then you're like, there's no way I'm that smart. And
you're like, there's.
Speaker 2: No way I'm that smart.
Speaker 1: And then you know you have the Yeah, I guess
you have vestiges. You have like the neo reactionary right,
which is a lot of crossover with the Kosher right.
And then you have people who are just absolutely like,
we are sick and tired of this Israel influence and
we want it gone. And they they hate that right
now because they can see that that is going to
split the right, and they don't understand why it has
to split the right. So well, I can show you
videos of why it has to split the right, because
they brag about being responsible for all of this, for
everything we're complaining about, for the for the for the
Civil Rights Act, for women, voting, for the gay rights,
for all of it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you see a lot of like the I
guess the people that are quietly dropping Israel as the
beloved nation now going over to India for some reason like, oh,
let's all make nice with the Indian immigrants, Let's bring
in even more Indians, Let's bring a billion Indians over
for I don't know what reasons. It's not like, why
can't you just support the country and the people here,
I don't. I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that they these are people who don't believe
that Americans. They've bought into the idea that Americans that
whites can do anything anymore, are willing to work with
their hands or I think I think white Americans just
want to be paid, and I don't think that they
I don't think they're happy about the Indians. I mean,
it's shocking to me how basically in the last four
months you have seen a turn from the concentration on
Central American and South American immigration to Indian immigration. I mean,
it was a it was the flip of a switch,
and it happened over over Christmas. We remember vivek Rama
sw Ramas was to Dingdang and Elon Musk and all
of them just being like, yeah, we need infinite pajets here,
and everybody's like hold the hold the phone, wait a minute.
And then people like myself had on an Indian gentleman
and other people just started reporting on what exactly their
culture is like. And it's like, holy crap. I mean, sure,
we don't want Central Americans and South Americans coming here,
but at least we know that, like they don't have
a culture of filth and schemery and like, you know,
they're basically like a certain tribe in the levant but
like living who like enjoy living in filth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, like I like to say, Latin Americans are
like like there's at least a shadow of Europe there.
India is just this foreign, self interested, selfish like like
you can see why their own people create a caste system.
They don't want to be around the Dravinians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we see that, we see people, you know,
and the fact that you were seeing people embracing them
and saying, oh, no, we need to bring more of
them here. You know, it's like Jianne b Bendari said,
you haven't met the average Indian yet. Most of the
ones you've met are like the cream of the crop. Crop.
Speaker 2: I would call them the cream of the crap. But the.
Speaker 1: You know, you you have people people are just and
that's another problem with MAGA. That's another problem with the
boomer that's another problem with the Conservative. That's another problem
with the Republican. That's another problem with Trump. Their color blind.
They don't they don't see the differences between people, between races,
between cultures. They don't see that certain cultures just certain
cultures and certain races just don't fit together. They don't
see the last what since nineteen sixty five when they
passed a civil rights Act and basically we have this
murderous group of people who just came out of their
shell and decided, oh, we're just going to commit sixty
percent of the murders. Yeah, and we're and we're not
going to We're not going to apologize about it.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's part of the part parts and part
for like like conservatives are afraid to do action to
face facts. They want to live in their utopia. In
many ways, they are just like the Democrats of yesteryear.
They just didn't progress as fast. And it's one of
the reasons why like MAGA is again like it can
only ever be a pause back to like nineteen eighties
and what was aad say like back to fresh air
for fresh bel air, and it's just not the politics
of a solution, it's the politics of a pause and
until maybe we can Like you know, there were there
were signs that we were starting to convince some of
the tech bros you're kind of retired going along with this,
but it never seems consistent. Right, Like, the second they
feel like the popular pressure is off them, they immediately
go to like I need my I need my sacred minorities,
I need my slave labor, I need it. It's like
a drug. It's like every every couple of months, if
a couple of weeks, it feel like we're having an
intervention on the tech right and other parts of MAGA,
and they just go right back to their drug addiction
the second that we're not paying attention, so I don't trust.
Speaker 1: Them, which is exactly why. If you're intelligent, if you're
paying attention, you have to look towards the future and
you have to say none of this. Some things may
get better, but in the end, when that other group
gets power again, you can't sit there and think, oh,
they're just not going to yeah, they're just gonna leave
me alone.
Speaker 2: They're just gonne. It's fine.
Speaker 3: There's there's one scary thought about this also. You know,
for the past forty years they had the excuse of labor,
cheap labor to bring in illegals, and it's looking like
there isn't even much of a service economy left for
them to do anything. These these hordes don't even have
any work to do, and there's no more bake money
to pay them to sit around doing nothing. So I'm
almost convinced the left can They want to replace the population,
but they no longer have the means or the motivation. Famously,
the last couple of the last year, like the number
of foreign students has like dropped in the hundreds of thousands,
and the number of people self deporting maybe as high
as one hundred thousand even before Trump came in. They're
not staying anymore. So they're gonna try, of course, they're
gonna constantly try to leave the border open. But they're
making a point when even like one and Sheiba and
all these people look at America as like a sinking
ship and it's not even worth coming here at that point,
when they can no longer replace the population by by
soft power, and they and they can't convince the population
by soft power. Hard power is kind of all they
have to to get at this. Like weird ethnic grievance
they have against us, not weird, actually biological.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's it is the result of a
multi racial, multicultural society. It's the end result if you
don't have you know, when you think, I mean really,
the one that I always go back to is Singapore.
Singapore is multi you know, multicultural, multi ethnic, and well
you spit them on the ground they three in jail. Yeah,
I mean that's basically the way they You have to
deal with people in a society like that, and you're
not going to when you start talking about that for
this society. Well, it's like people are like, well, what
do you want? You want like a national police force?
What do you It's like, well, it's hard to answer
that question because we haven't even addressed whether this can
be fixed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that people think it can be fixed. I
think there are some people out there who think that
all of a sudden, everybody's going to wake up and
they're going to demand order. And there are some people
who think, oh, well they're going to do They're going
to send all the Blacks back to Africa, and they're
going to send all the Mexicans back to Mexico, and
they're going to say, and you know, the United States
is going to become one ten. Well I'm good luck
with that. I mean, that's it's it's nice that you're
talking about that. It sounds great, but it also sounds
to me like libertarians who are you know, it's talking
about how they're going to end the FED and you know,
basically you know the government will be private one day.
That that's like the level of delusion that I hear.
Now you can make the argument, well that's the only
way the country will work. Again, sure, I'll entertain that.
But just like the libertarian or the anarcho capitalist who
wants to get to anarchy where everything is run by
good economics, they have no way of telling me how
they're going to get there. So maybe someone can tell
me how they're going to get to, you know, this
place where it's all just white Protestants.
Speaker 2: Again. Yeah, it just seem like anybody with a yeah
got it just.
Speaker 3: Feels like we're we're already at the at the end
of the empire, and now it's just a question of
which barbarian warlord is going to take what parts of
the empire and you kind of hope that's from your
ethnic group. I like to use the Goths as an
example over and over again, but like, it's not so
much that the Roman Empire collapsed as the Goths took
over the institutions and divided it amongst themselves. Actually, this
might be a good detour from this. But within the topic,
did you ever read that I think I sent it
to you, the article by Charles Paul Minor about the
Gallic aristocracy in the Roman Imperial Court.
Speaker 2: I don't think you sent me that one.
Speaker 3: Now I might be confusing. It's a really good article
that goes into the actual court dynamics of how is
it that this world powerful empire just ignored thirty thousand
Germans crossing its border and let like an entire province
of gaul burn and didn't give a shit? Like how
does an empire get to that point? And Charles Paul
Minor points out when Julius Caesar conquered I'm guess not
like putin here going on a small rant about this history,
but when Caesar took gaul he did it because he
wanted to stack the Senate with people loyal to him.
He conquered Gaul. He took the elite of Gaul and
he made them senators. Are you aware of this part
of history? Actually, this is a fun little bit of history.
How Like, he stacked the Senate. So he stacked the
Senate with ethnic Gauls that had sworn failty to him. Essentially,
he's the Senate kind of operated like a supreme court.
He stacked the court. He doubled the size of the
Senate and filled the people loyal to him. And one
of the deals he cracked with Gaul is that these
new senators who were not Italian got to keep their
landed assets in Gaul. And as a result of this,
centuries later, when the Late Roman Empires like at its
peak and about to enter the worst time it's decline,
Gaul was still primarily ran by Gallic landowners. Every other
province in the Empire was ran by Italian landowners from Italy.
They all lived in Italy and they had their assets
and spread out across the Empire. Gaul was the only
province that was not owned and operated by Italians. So
when the when they needed to start stacking the border
with protection. The Italians would all take the loyal Italians
for themselves, and the borders of the Balkans and Greece
and Persia and everything like that, those were all laurel legions,
the lions Germanicus. They hired local Germans because they didn't
give a shit, and they felt like, well, you deal
with the Germans Gauls. And so when thirty thousand Germans
came to the border of Gaul asking to come in
because Attil the Hunt was invading, the German border patrol
was like, hey, hambre come on in, and they just
let them in. And then when these hordes of Germans
started ransacking Gaul and burning it to the ground, and
Gauls aristocrats, and of course by now the gaul senators
were a minority because the Roman Empire quadrupled in size,
the Galic centers were like, hey, can we get a
legion to like put down this massive fucking invasion. All
the Italian centers were like, fuck off, you're not Italian,
we don't care. Ultimately, the fall of that of the
Western Empire came down to good old ethnic grievances between
the Gaulic elite and the Italian elite and Charles Paulmnor
goes into like just like the kind of shit that
went down between these two ethnic groups competing with each other,
and how ultimately the Gauls realizing that Rome. One things
that had one of the turning points in this political
relationship was when the Gauls got fed up with the
German invasions and the lack of Italian support. They elected
their own emperor, raised their own legions, and decided to
protect themselves. That point, then the Italian sent in the
Legians to put down what they declared an open rebellion,
even though it was just a local warlord protecting the people.
Only when Gaul stood up for itself did the Romans
intervene and punish not the barbarians, but the Gauls, the
Roman citizens for protecting themselves. They blocked, they banned the
ownership of swords like you know Second Amendment kind of
that time period, and then they they they put the
entire province on like military lockdown because the Galls dared
to protect themselves from from a foreign invasion. It wasn't
the Germans invading and burning down a chunk of the
Roman Empire that got the Italians invested it was, oh,
this is now a competing power to us. They didn't
care about the barbarian invasions. They cared about the competing power.
So in some ways there's a lesson here for us
in the sense like if you if you organize too much,
then the garment will come after you. If you organize
not at all, you got to get raped by foreigners.
How do you cut that balance so you can actually
protect yourself. It's it's a hard equation to balance for
gall Ultimately, they couldn't cut that balance. They ultimately had
to simply outlive the declining Roman Empire. And eventually the
one time they organized themselves to protect themselves, there were
no more allegiance to put down that that self protectionism,
and they and that that's basically when France began. France
began because there was no longer a Roman empire to
put down the competing power. There's a very good lesson
in that, because, yeah, large sections of the South and
the West are not owned and operated by the DC elite,
and so they're viewed as a competing power that will
only ever be intervened if it tries to protect itself.
It's a it's a abusive relationship, and it's an one
that you kind of like. The only way out of
that really is Balkanization, and that sucks because you don't
want to give up the country and there's a balance.
I haven't figured out how to cut that balance yet.
I like reading history because there's a lot of parallels.
Speaker 2: But they couldn't.
Speaker 3: How am I supposed to find a solution if they didn't?
Speaker 1: You know, it's the answer, you know what the answer
is to a Leviathan that is out of control. You
just people are scared, People are ideological, People are.
Speaker 2: Holding on to.
Speaker 1: The people are holding on to the past and not
seeing the future, not seeing that things don't don't last.
If Rome couldn't last, then you know what could it's
I think that's one of the great lessons. I hate
to cut you off because you're just getting to Rome
and I know, yeah, but I gotta I got aver
to ogc meia.
Speaker 2: So right.
Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for reminding Yeah, thank you
for reminding us. You know, because if anyone hadn't thought
of Rome today, you helped them too. You helped them
out to reminded them of that meme. But tell people
where they can read some of your work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a substack dot subject dot com or
a templer dot subject dot com. I own both. I
should start writing more. I kind of want to write
more about this topic, seeing as Almega is increasingly being
a letdown and I have a Twitter same name, it's
mostly ship posting. I'll try to be more serious going forward,
and I'll just tell the audience please pray for the
next pope to be hopefully at least a spiritual head
for these problems, something that will help us have a
spiritual foundation to deal with this mess.
Speaker 1: Amen man, Amen, I would love to see a love
to see a pope come in who can look at
the world and see exactly what's happening, see the spirits
of over that have overtaken it, and prepare that prepares
people to fight.
Speaker 2: Back against them. But amen, we.
Speaker 4: Shall see all right, Thanks man, Take care.
Speaker 3: H