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Speaker 5: As Mike Heuser used to say, if it's in the
Speaker 5: Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. At its peak,
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Speaker 2: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within
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Speaker 4: would send their agents out to get.
Speaker 5: It, but it takes courage to move forward, to move
Speaker 5: out of the shadows, out of the unreality that we
Speaker 5: think of. This reality.
Speaker 2: We are all on the hero's journey.
Speaker 5: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.
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Speaker 3: I'm excited about this one.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 3: My guest is someone I've been looking forward to talking with.
Speaker 3: He's working on a book. He's also a podcast host,
Speaker 3: Justin Brown from the Prometheus Lens podcast. Welcome to the
Speaker 3: show man.
Speaker 2: Hey Tim, thank you for having me. Man, I'm excited
Speaker 2: to talk to you. I love some good conversations and dialogue.
Speaker 3: Same that's what keeps me in the game. That's what
Speaker 3: keeps me doing this. It's you hit rough patches sometimes
Speaker 3: and you think about hanging it up. But when I
Speaker 3: have a show like this, it kind of it kind
Speaker 3: of reminds me at of why I'm podcasting because you
Speaker 3: know I've heard your show. I actually i've actually known
Speaker 3: about your show for a little while. I caught you
Speaker 3: early on. I think I heard about you from Bo
Speaker 3: Kennedy on AI Once upon a Time when that was
Speaker 3: a running show. He shouted you out and he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you got to go listen to this guy. So I
Speaker 3: actually paused the show and I went and I found
Speaker 3: your podcast so I wouldn't forget to do it later.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome. Yeah. I listened to that and I
Speaker 2: was I loved that conversation too, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: I'd love to be in on that one. And I
Speaker 2: was just listening and all of a sudden, he was like,
Speaker 2: have you guys talked to Justin Brown Prometheus Slims. You
Speaker 2: need to talk to him. And I was like, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: Bo. Yeah, So that's that's how long I've been listening.
Speaker 3: And I want to say, when I went and found
Speaker 3: your show, you only had a couple posted, but I
Speaker 3: might be wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just I just hit the year of Mark,
Speaker 2: so it's like I got like fifty something episodes I
Speaker 2: think right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was going to ask you something, but
Speaker 3: maybe we should stay on talking about your show. I'll
Speaker 3: get to that later. I was going to ask you
Speaker 3: something about because I like your take on scripture, but
Speaker 3: i'll i'll ask you about it later. I don't think
Speaker 3: I know how you got into podcasting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like we was kind of talking pre roll.
Speaker 2: I was a guy that grew up in church my
Speaker 2: whole life. Of course, to me, I had the rebellious
Speaker 2: stage once I got sixteen and got the keys and stuff,
Speaker 2: keys of the car, but I always had that foundation.
Speaker 2: But I was always obsessed with history and the Bible.
Speaker 2: So I was that little kid that was even seven
Speaker 2: eight years old, you know, asking all these questions during
Speaker 2: Sunday school. And so with that and my love of history,
Speaker 2: that led into mythology and stuff like that. I was
Speaker 2: always a I was never like a straight A student.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was a C plus average guy because
Speaker 2: it was just I didn't apply myself. But I really
Speaker 2: did love mythology and history in the Bible and never
Speaker 2: really liked to read any of that stuff. In twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: I just happened to stumble across a Trey Smith video
Speaker 2: from God in a Nutshell, and he was talking about
Speaker 2: the astral realm and angels breeding with the daughters of
Speaker 2: men and making these hybrid nephelim giants and just all
Speaker 2: this you know, whacky do stuff, I thought, and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, this guy, he's I wrote my Bible.
Speaker 2: That's not in the Bible. So then I cracked open
Speaker 2: the book, you know, and started going through it and looking,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, this stuff is like
Speaker 2: staring me right in my face my whole life. And
Speaker 2: I just looked over it because I was relying so
Speaker 2: much on my teachers.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I heard just a six told, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: times in my years at church. But it was the
Speaker 2: good line of Seth breeding with the bad line of
Speaker 2: Caine and made spiritual, wicked people. And so when I
Speaker 2: got exposed to this stuff, he introduced me to you know,
Speaker 2: doctor Aaron Judkins and Derek Gilbert and Michael Heiser. And
Speaker 2: when I started reading and finding all this stuff, man,
Speaker 2: it was just like a fire underneath me. I couldn't
Speaker 2: get enough of it. And it was like the thing
Speaker 2: that I already loved was so much more deeper than
Speaker 2: I ever thought, and there was so much more that
Speaker 2: I didn't know. So it was just like I had
Speaker 2: to know. So I just deep dive studied, man, just
Speaker 2: reading everything I could get my hands on. Starting in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, and then in twenty two I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I started doing like little videos on Facebook,
Speaker 2: just started you know, setting my phone out and talking
Speaker 2: about some of the stuff I'd found. And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that'd be really cool to do like a show or
Speaker 2: something like that. But I talked myself out of it.
Speaker 2: But I ended up inviting like fifteen, maybe twenty people
Speaker 2: that was in my friend's circle and that I went
Speaker 2: to church with just to have like men's group, just
Speaker 2: guys hang out, have a couple of beers, eat some
Speaker 2: good barbecue maybe, and talk about all this cool, weird
Speaker 2: stuff in the Bible. And we had three meetings and
Speaker 2: we covered the Michael Heiser's three Rebellions. And after three meetings,
Speaker 2: my buddy Steve's like, man, this is just some pretty
Speaker 2: profound stuff here. We should be recording this stuff. He's like,
Speaker 2: I got a brother that's got a podcast and can
Speaker 2: teach us everything we need to know. I think it
Speaker 2: would be fun and we can open a lot of
Speaker 2: people's eyes. So that was, you know, two years ago,
Speaker 2: so two years ago and two podcasts later, here we
Speaker 2: are nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you started. I mean, you've got
Speaker 3: a very unique podcast. I like that you don't hold
Speaker 3: back and you kind of just go straight into some
Speaker 3: of these more I guess some people will call them fringe.
Speaker 3: I'm so comfortable with this stuff now. It's just like
Speaker 3: I just can't see things any other way, like the
Speaker 3: supernatural worldview is it's for me. It's that or bust.
Speaker 3: At this point, I just I mean, but you know,
Speaker 3: before I got into this stuff, your story resonates with
Speaker 3: me because I heard about Gen six every now and
Speaker 3: again in church, and it was only like a ten
Speaker 3: minute portion of the sermon if it was ever brought
Speaker 3: up at all. And also I don't think they usually
Speaker 3: they usually had a weird kind of a way of
Speaker 3: like icing over it and making it, making it really boring.
Speaker 3: And it just never really made sense. It didn't click
Speaker 3: to me, and so it didn't. I always had this
Speaker 3: very Manila view of scripture. I used to be just
Speaker 3: a crazy person, just playing music, running wild, not spiritual
Speaker 3: at all, and especially when I hit twenty years old,
Speaker 3: none of this stuff made sense to me. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to be like church people because I didn't see
Speaker 3: a reason why. But when I came across this supernatural
Speaker 3: worldview and the Book of Enoch, it all changed for
Speaker 3: me and things just clicked.
Speaker 2: That was me. It was just it was like a
Speaker 2: bridge gap because where I was fascinated with it as
Speaker 2: a little kid. I remember I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: David and Goliath. This was a you know, a really
Speaker 2: giant dude, and the king was afraid of him, and
Speaker 2: this whole army wouldn't come after him. Is there anything
Speaker 2: more to this? I just mean I had this curiosity
Speaker 2: and then the same thing. It's just the trading of
Speaker 2: Esau's birthright reading that, you know, without my supernatural lens.
Speaker 2: Even then, I was like, this doesn't make any sense
Speaker 2: to me. This guy was going to inherit everything and
Speaker 2: he just throws it away. So and then the flood.
Speaker 2: You know, how can I love in God destroy all
Speaker 2: of humanity? And just all these questions that I had
Speaker 2: as a kid. Once I got this supernatural worldview and
Speaker 2: started discovering all these things, it was like that rainbow
Speaker 2: bridge that went into asgard Man. I mean, it got
Speaker 2: me there and I just seen this whole new world. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you and I can exist enough
Speaker 3: to have this conversation, so can other intelligences. And that's
Speaker 3: what I'm coming to find is that it's not just
Speaker 3: there's good and evil, and I think there's a war
Speaker 3: going on, and I think, but I don't think it's
Speaker 3: just God and the Devil. I think there's other I
Speaker 3: think it's like that old Rolling Stone song, Sympathy for
Speaker 3: the Devil. If you follow the main character in that song,
Speaker 3: he shows up at different moments in history. You know,
Speaker 3: I was there with Jesus and because he's a supernatural
Speaker 3: entity who meddles in human affairs, and I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot more of that going on than most people
Speaker 3: will admit or or even recognize. I think there's all
Speaker 3: these other entities that it's not just Satan, and there
Speaker 3: are others there. Those other gods mentioned in the Bible
Speaker 3: are not just wood and stone idols in somebody's house.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's been a big thing for me lately. But but
Speaker 3: what got me there was was Genesis three point fifteen,
Speaker 3: Genesis six and reading the Book of Enoch, and that
Speaker 3: was like a key that opened up this door to
Speaker 3: understanding the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Deeteronomy thirty two was another one of mine,
Speaker 2: you know, reading that and how that was a retelling
Speaker 2: of Bible, and it really expands this Sunday School story
Speaker 2: of God busting up the languages. It was like you, no,
Speaker 2: not only did he bust up the languages, it says
Speaker 2: that he divided the peoples amongst the sons of God.
Speaker 2: And in the Hebrew, you know, that's been a high elohem,
Speaker 2: the same phrase used in Genesis six and every time.
Speaker 2: We have many translations in English that translate to the
Speaker 2: sons of God, but it is not beney Highalohem, but
Speaker 2: every single time and the Hebrew language that bene Highaloheim
Speaker 2: is talking about an angelic race. And these are the
Speaker 2: divine counsel which you see in the Greek mythology. These
Speaker 2: are the many gods in this council that makes decisions
Speaker 2: and rules over the nations and stuff, and that answers
Speaker 2: a lot of questions like atheists try to attack our
Speaker 2: faith with. And I think that that is a it's
Speaker 2: a really good shield in our spiritual battle with other
Speaker 2: entities and people trying to bring them to the truth
Speaker 2: and to the light. Because a lot of people will
Speaker 2: say if your God is real, he's a shitty god
Speaker 2: because look at all the war, the famine, the rape,
Speaker 2: and all the atrocities. You know, if this God of
Speaker 2: yours is real, he sucks at his job. And it's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't have the Deuteronomy thirty two worldview. And that's scriptural.
Speaker 2: The reason why it's so shitty is because of these
Speaker 2: fallen entities that are ruling over the nations and pulling
Speaker 2: the strings of all the world leaders and influencing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, that just pulled the car up and parts
Speaker 3: it right where I was going to ask you earlier
Speaker 3: about some scripture because and I've got it here, but
Speaker 3: I've been about I think late last year sometime I
Speaker 3: decided to read through the Bible all the way through.
Speaker 3: I made it up to Psalms recently, and something told
Speaker 3: me to go back and read Deuteronomy because I kept
Speaker 3: having these thoughts about stuff that I had read Deuteronomy,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to go back and make sure I
Speaker 3: read what I thought I read. So I just went
Speaker 3: back and read the through Deuteronomy again, and this whole
Speaker 3: Divine Council thing just really just smacked me in the face.
Speaker 3: This time so I went back to Psalms, and I'm
Speaker 3: in Psalms right now, and I got to Psalms eighty two.
Speaker 3: I saw it again. But then I'm in Psalms eighty
Speaker 3: nine and I see it again, and it's six through well,
Speaker 3: this whole passage, but it starts with six, and it says,
Speaker 3: for who in the skies can be compared to the Lord,
Speaker 3: who among the heavenly beings, is like the Lord, a
Speaker 3: god feared in the counsel of the holy ones, great
Speaker 3: and awesome, and he is above all that are around him.
Speaker 3: And then it says he's the Lord, God of hosts,
Speaker 3: and it just makes all these references to these other
Speaker 3: I don't know what to call them, but that's exactly
Speaker 3: what we're talking about here. What I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you about, though, is this next part. It goes into
Speaker 3: in verse ten. It says you crushed Rayhab like a carcass,
Speaker 3: and you scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. And
Speaker 3: I remember in Job there was a reference to Rayhab,
Speaker 3: and it's in the context of like space or the heavens,
Speaker 3: So it seems like that might be a planet. And
Speaker 3: I was going to ask your opinion on.
Speaker 2: That and see with that is. And that's not something
Speaker 2: I've deep dived yet, but I actually just bought David
Speaker 2: Flynn's collection where he goes into Mars and that whole
Speaker 2: theory that he has on Rayhab, and that's what influenced
Speaker 2: Timothy Alberino's viewpoint. I just went to a conference recently
Speaker 2: and he was talking about it and he was like, guys,
Speaker 2: I cannot recommend enough that you check out David Flynn's work.
Speaker 2: He said that was one of the most influential books
Speaker 2: that I've read. He said it changed my life, he said,
Speaker 2: and opened up a whole new world to scripture. So
Speaker 2: I was like, well, if he's saying that, I need
Speaker 2: to check it out myself. But I've heard him speak
Speaker 2: on it, and his theory was that Rehab was once
Speaker 2: a planet and I can't remember the two planets, but
Speaker 2: there's a space where a planet should be, but it's
Speaker 2: just a huge busted up asteroid belt. So it appears
Speaker 2: like at one time there might have been a planet
Speaker 2: there and it got destroyed. And he said, that's what
Speaker 2: that verse and stuff is talking about. And I think
Speaker 2: that's a pretty interesting idea. My only like pause with
Speaker 2: it is like it makes it look like they outsmarted God,
Speaker 2: and it's like they knew they were on this planet
Speaker 2: and that was home base, and God goes to crush
Speaker 2: it and destroy it, but then they teleport off world
Speaker 2: and miss God's judgment. So I mean that was kind
Speaker 2: of like but like I said, I've not read the
Speaker 2: book and seeing he might have an answer to all that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But my original thought was it was the chaos monster,
Speaker 2: the chaos dragon. Yeah, because if you look, Scripture constantly
Speaker 2: takes Middle Eastern religion and mythology and stuff like that
Speaker 2: and basically reappropriates it. And that they put Yahweh at
Speaker 2: the head and show his supremacy through the retaeilling of
Speaker 2: their stories and reappropriating them, and a lot of it.
Speaker 2: It's hidden in the Hebrew. You don't see it unless
Speaker 2: you look into the Hebrew. Like in Genesis, where God's
Speaker 2: spirit hovers over the waters, he hovers over the to
Speaker 2: home in Hebrew, it's a home that's a cognate of Tiamot.
Speaker 2: And in the Innu Leish, Marduk is the hero and
Speaker 2: he uses his strong right arm to destroy Tiamot and
Speaker 2: he busts her into pieces and creates the universe in
Speaker 2: the world with her pieces. So when I read that
Speaker 2: mythology story and then I heard this mention in Job
Speaker 2: of Rahab and it's basically it was a the lebath
Speaker 2: and sea monster. Can you grab it by the nose
Speaker 2: and pull it and do as that will and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. Then it mentions the busting up of Rayhab
Speaker 2: into pieces. That was always you know, my thought it
Speaker 2: was kind of like a retelling or reappropriation of the
Speaker 2: creation story with Mardock and Tmott. But like I said,
Speaker 2: his Tim's speaking of that in David Flynn's book. It
Speaker 2: was enough to get me to purchase the book. I've
Speaker 2: just not read it yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've come across tim out as well. And just
Speaker 3: the the waters, like it goes back to Genesis where
Speaker 3: it says, what does it say the God separated the waters?
Speaker 3: So I can't figure out if Tmott was like a
Speaker 3: water planet or or that was inhabited by dragons and
Speaker 3: like this entity was like using the dragons, like coming
Speaker 3: through them or some you know, it gets there's a
Speaker 3: lot of different ways you could probably take that. It
Speaker 3: depends on I guess the myth the version that you're reading.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if Tamat was the was another name
Speaker 3: for this planet, because I think that the Sumerians have
Speaker 3: a very they have that that map of the cosmos,
Speaker 3: or somehow they knew about our solar system, they knew
Speaker 3: about all the planets, and they the Sumerians have an
Speaker 3: extra planet though, and they called it Tamot.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's pretty wild, So that would make sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's either way. We've got a missing planet
Speaker 3: here and we've got an asteroid belt there now where
Speaker 3: a planet should be.
Speaker 2: And I've even heard some people talk about they referred
Speaker 2: to as Gabriel's fist, okay, and that it was an
Speaker 2: instrument of God's judgment and that was what triggered the
Speaker 2: great deluge that the pieces that he busted up had eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, God had used them to throw them into
Speaker 2: Earth and cause these rifts and earthquakes and the great
Speaker 2: cataclysm that caused the waters from the Abyss to burst forth.
Speaker 2: Because that's what one thing a lot of people get
Speaker 2: hung up on. They talk about Noah's flood, they get
Speaker 2: hung up on the h just the water that's coming down.
Speaker 2: But when you read that, it says that not only
Speaker 2: did the waters come down from above it says the
Speaker 2: waters from the Abyss burst forth. And uh, if you've
Speaker 2: not read or looked into I really highly suggested to
Speaker 2: check out doctor Walt Brown and his hydroplate theory. To me,
Speaker 2: that had for so many questions, and and he worked
Speaker 2: for NASA. He wasn't just some schmuke off the street
Speaker 2: picking stuff out of his back pocket and just throwing
Speaker 2: out ideas. But like in a nutshell, he was saying
Speaker 2: that he believed that Earth was like Pangaea, one super continent,
Speaker 2: and then some kind of catastrophic event happened, whether it
Speaker 2: was an asteroid like Gabriel's fist, or a comet or
Speaker 2: an earthquake, something some kind of great cataclysm happened, and
Speaker 2: it caused the Pangaea to separate. And if you get
Speaker 2: into the Bible even pay leg and you look at
Speaker 2: that in the Hebrew, that means he was named that
Speaker 2: because during his time, that's when the lands were divided.
Speaker 2: And he talks about the Oceanic ridge. If you look today,
Speaker 2: this Oceanic Ridge wraps around the globe like the seam
Speaker 2: of a baseball, and every single major mountain range in
Speaker 2: the world, without exception, lines up perfectly parallel with this
Speaker 2: oceanic ridge, because that's where they were all pushed apart.
Speaker 2: And then when they met resistance, they just buckled like
Speaker 2: a car hood hitting the concrete wallet, it buckles up.
Speaker 2: And then he said that the plates sliding cost the
Speaker 2: volcanoes to erupt, great earthquakes, the soot and ash, and
Speaker 2: the volcanoes darkened the sky, lowering the temperatures on Earth,
Speaker 2: bringing the first ice age, And like all the debris
Speaker 2: that got flung up into the atmosphere that was not
Speaker 2: strong enough to get propelled out come down and buried everything.
Speaker 2: That's how you get the fossil record. But there was
Speaker 2: quite a bit that escaped the atmosphere. And he said
Speaker 2: he thinks that's why you see so many pelts on
Speaker 2: the new side of the Moon, because just from this
Speaker 2: catastrophic event, it just beat the hell out of the moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, okay, and so what was the I missed
Speaker 3: this part? What was the original catastrophe though? Was it
Speaker 3: ours it exploding or was it water a water planet exploded.
Speaker 3: You described what happened perfectly, but what what was the
Speaker 3: first thing that happened?
Speaker 2: And that's what he was saying in his book. You know,
Speaker 2: he said. He wasn't sure. He said, he knew it
Speaker 2: was his idea or theory that some kind of great
Speaker 2: cataclysm happened to spring this forward, whether it was a
Speaker 2: comet or an asteroid, or or just a anomaly of
Speaker 2: an earthquake, just but he said, there was something that
Speaker 2: had to trigger it all off. But I loved how
Speaker 2: he was even tied into Young Adriass because he said,
Speaker 2: after this happened, he said, all the smoke and ash
Speaker 2: and soot that darkened the sky, it brought the first
Speaker 2: ice age. He said. Then you know, a thousand years
Speaker 2: or a certain amount of time passed, and that people
Speaker 2: started recivilizing the earth and repopulating the earth. He said.
Speaker 2: In people, they set along coastlines. They build their cities
Speaker 2: on coasts. He said. So after a certain amount of time,
Speaker 2: the ice cap started to melt, raising the water levels,
Speaker 2: he said. And then at the same time, this is
Speaker 2: newly formed land that's not settled into the bedrock yet.
Speaker 2: So this new land starts to settle and go down
Speaker 2: at the same time, ice caps melting and raising the
Speaker 2: water levels. That's why you have so many sunken cities
Speaker 2: to this day. But that book, he's got is caught
Speaker 2: in the beginning, and I've not read it cover to
Speaker 2: cover yet, but I've listened to him talk about it
Speaker 2: and read some sections in the book. It's really fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is. And I think I said Mars exploding
Speaker 3: a second ago, and what I meant was Mars being
Speaker 3: affected by an explosion, because I've read up on some
Speaker 3: of this stuff too, and it kind of parallels what
Speaker 3: you're saying here and this guy's work. There was a guy,
Speaker 3: I think he worked at NASA and he was studying
Speaker 3: Mars and he found that Mars polls had suddenly shifted.
Speaker 3: And now that plan and it sits in, it is
Speaker 3: positioned in a way that it wasn't originally. They even
Speaker 3: went so far as to look at the face on
Speaker 3: Mars and those pyramids and they think that those may
Speaker 3: have been at one time right on the pole or
Speaker 3: right on one of the like equator lines or something
Speaker 3: like like a significant spot on the planet is where
Speaker 3: those were placed, and that they were that face on
Speaker 3: Mars was facing Earth originally, and whatever happened knocked Mars
Speaker 3: to a to another Uh, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: hanging in a different way now. So but something would
Speaker 3: have happened. Oh, and there's craters on Mars like what
Speaker 3: you're saying with the moon. They also found craters on
Speaker 3: one side of Marsh, indicating that something exploded and and
Speaker 3: just showered that one side of the planet with debris.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, So I guess, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. I mean, man,
Speaker 3: I just like, I don't know, this is how I
Speaker 3: see the world now.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 3: I'm leaving room for possibilities in my spirituality now for
Speaker 3: all these bigger ideas like a cosmic war, like a
Speaker 3: planet exploding. And it's like, once I just accept that
Speaker 3: maybe this kind of stuff happened, things just start to
Speaker 3: make sense. And I mean, you know, like this, like
Speaker 3: this verse, this chapter, so I'm eighty nine, like there's
Speaker 3: one other spot in here. I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: It talks about rehab and then it goes into it
Speaker 3: says the North and the South you created them, Tabor
Speaker 3: and Herman joyously praise your name. And I just think
Speaker 3: it's interesting that they decide to throw Mount Hermon in there,
Speaker 3: because it seems like that mountain just has a lot
Speaker 3: of significance. I don't know if there's you know, how
Speaker 3: you know, scripture is like a it's like coded, it's
Speaker 3: almost like an onion or something like. You can you
Speaker 3: can find new meanings, several different meanings for one verse.
Speaker 3: So I'm still trying to find out what they why
Speaker 3: they put Mount Hermont in this chapter. I just have
Speaker 3: a feeling it's significant because that that might go into
Speaker 3: actually your book, because the Watchers in Genesis six come
Speaker 3: down to Earth at Mount Hermon. This is where they
Speaker 3: had an exchange with the men of Earth. They wanted
Speaker 3: human women and they gave yep technology and that's how
Speaker 3: we get the Nephilon. And I don't know if your
Speaker 3: book goes into that, but I know you go into Esau,
Speaker 3: and I think that Esau fits into this somehow as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. And then I tell people, because
Speaker 2: some people do that they get worked up if you
Speaker 2: say something that's against the cultural norm or the teaching norm,
Speaker 2: even if it's not salvational, even if it's not something
Speaker 2: that changes the doctrine of the faith. My thoughts and
Speaker 2: theories on this subject are very different than traditional thought.
Speaker 2: Some people can hear that and be like, have an
Speaker 2: open mind, be like you know that that makes sense,
Speaker 2: and then that does answer a lot of questions. You
Speaker 2: might be onto something, but then I have certain people
Speaker 2: that's just like that, this is blasphemous. Now you're you're
Speaker 2: reading too much into it, and I'm unsubscribing from your channel,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I'm the type of person.
Speaker 2: The more I've studied, the more I've read, the deeper
Speaker 2: that my faith has went. And studying these things, these
Speaker 2: things have only solidified my faith and drew me closer
Speaker 2: to God. And we have to remember that we worship God.
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, and this is something else
Speaker 2: that ruffles some feathers. I worship God, the creator of
Speaker 2: this universe. I don't worship a text. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of Christians worship a text. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think the Bible is the divine inspired word of God,
Speaker 2: but it's not. It doesn't have the answers for everything.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have all the historical things that happened throughout,
Speaker 2: you know, since the time of creation. This is a
Speaker 2: book that tells where the faith come from, how it progressed,
Speaker 2: and their beliefs of the high points of our creation
Speaker 2: and our fall and our redemption. So it's like when
Speaker 2: you get people talking about the gap theory. Some people
Speaker 2: get bent plumb out of shape. It's not in there.
Speaker 2: You're making this up. And it's like, just because it's
Speaker 2: not in there doesn't mean it didn't happen. And if
Speaker 2: you go into some of this original language, it's like
Speaker 2: it says that God makes nothing null and void, and
Speaker 2: it said that he, you know, re establishes earth and
Speaker 2: reconstitutes it. When you get into like the Hebrew language
Speaker 2: there in the verbiage, and then you get to the
Speaker 2: Great Flood, he promises Noah that never again will he
Speaker 2: destroy the earth with water. So it's like, why did
Speaker 2: he say again if this was the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's not anything that you know, I'm dogmatic about that.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to build my cross and die on that hill.
Speaker 2: But it's like we have to have our minds open
Speaker 2: enough to look into these things, ask these questions and
Speaker 2: see how they tie in and if they answer a
Speaker 2: lot of loose ended and ambiguous stuff in the scripture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I do kind of lean towards the
Speaker 3: gap theory now because to think that it was done
Speaker 3: in a week, that's kind of like us putting our
Speaker 3: understanding of time onto God. Time might be totally different
Speaker 3: to a divine being. They might not even be in
Speaker 3: the third dimension. You know, time is totally different in
Speaker 3: whatever where they're at, especially if they're not in the
Speaker 3: third dimension. Time is definitely if you study physics, you
Speaker 3: realize once you get out of that third dimension, once
Speaker 3: you get into the fourth and the fifth and so on,
Speaker 3: time is going to act differently. So to be dogmatic
Speaker 3: about the Earth being created in seven days, that's us
Speaker 3: kind of projecting our ideas of time onto an all
Speaker 3: knowing divine entity, a creator God.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And my whole thing with even being open to
Speaker 2: it is because it's kind of like the Star Wars movies.
Speaker 2: You see Darth Vader and he's just inherently evil. You
Speaker 2: don't get the backstory to why he was evil. You know,
Speaker 2: there's always a why and a backstory thing. So when
Speaker 2: we start at the creation, it says that let us
Speaker 2: make man in our image. That's plural language. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't believe God was you know, an ego maniac
Speaker 2: or psychotic talking to himself. He was talking to his
Speaker 2: divine counsel, which, according to the Book of Job says,
Speaker 2: was there at the side of creation and saying for
Speaker 2: joy at the side of it. So they are our
Speaker 2: elder brothers. And then here we have the garden, Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve, this new creation, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: missed it. I mean, there's day six people. It says,
Speaker 2: let us make man in our image, so that there
Speaker 2: they go, that they're already made and put into the earth.
Speaker 2: But then later it says Adam and Eve was created.
Speaker 2: Adam was pulled from the dust of the ground. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like Adam and Eve was his pet project.
Speaker 2: It was like it was an answer or a response
Speaker 2: to a thing. And then you hear you have their
Speaker 2: darth vader Satan the Nakash, and he's got a chip
Speaker 2: on his shoulder about this new creation and tries to
Speaker 2: deceive it and overthrow it and cast it down. Well,
Speaker 2: if you tie in a gap there, if there was
Speaker 2: some kind of intergalactic war and Satan and some of
Speaker 2: his other brothers ruled over the earth, had their own offspring,
Speaker 2: and had dominion over it, then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: there was a war, was destroyed, and then it was
Speaker 2: recreated and given to this new race. That would give
Speaker 2: him a whole lot of motive to be pissed off
Speaker 2: and want to rebel and do the things that he did.
Speaker 2: I mean, it does supply a motive. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to remind people too that nothing you just
Speaker 3: said challenge is the doctrine of Christ.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's something That's what I was trying to say,
Speaker 2: is I could be completely wrong or be one hundred
Speaker 2: percent right. It changes nothing of the story of salvation
Speaker 2: in the doctrine of our faith.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's more going on there behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: With Genesis. You you kind of do have to read
Speaker 3: between the lines a little bit. I mean, even even
Speaker 3: when Cain kills Abel and he goes off and starts
Speaker 3: his own kind of group of people, he joins up
Speaker 3: with another civilization, but weird because his parents are Adam
Speaker 3: and Eve. Who else is on the earth for him
Speaker 3: to go join up with. I even think it says
Speaker 3: in one version he went to find cities or a city.
Speaker 3: So I guess I think Heidi told me the other
Speaker 3: day that people were calling that the Genesis six people.
Speaker 3: So when you add to the six day six people, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's another thing. It's like when you look at that,
Speaker 3: clearly he went and met up with some group of
Speaker 3: something to procreate with. So that shows you right there
Speaker 3: that there's more to the story than you're being told
Speaker 3: at face value. You have to read between the lines.
Speaker 3: You have to you have to leave some room for
Speaker 3: this story to kind of breathe.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, the truth is in the margins.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I found that. Verse two in job about Rahab,
Speaker 3: it says the establishment of the heavens are pulverized and
Speaker 3: stunned at God's rebuke. With his power, he quiets the
Speaker 3: roaring and by his wisdom he shatters Rehab. And it
Speaker 3: says the heavens are pulverizing, stunned. That sounds like something
Speaker 3: like that explosion was involved.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And it goes back to the calming
Speaker 2: of the water, you know. It says that the calming
Speaker 2: there the sea. That's what happens at the beginning in Genesis.
Speaker 2: It says, when the spirit of God hovered over the
Speaker 2: deep the to home Tiamat. And then you have it
Speaker 2: again with Jesus when they're on the boat the storm
Speaker 2: comes that you know, they're symbolically in the midst of
Speaker 2: chaos and this huge storm starts raging and he gets
Speaker 2: up and you know it's once again symbolically placing Mardock
Speaker 2: under his feet because Mardak had to have this all
Speaker 2: these special weapons, had to do all this great bad all,
Speaker 2: and you know it was it was not an easy
Speaker 2: ordeal or task. But it's like, you know, Jesus and
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit at creation just steps out and puts
Speaker 2: their hand out just like a like a dog down boy,
Speaker 2: you know, and conquers and subdues chaos. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible. This, I mean, this is the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff that gets me excited about spirituality. Now, I'll just
Speaker 3: put it under that blanket term of spirituality, because, like
Speaker 3: I said, I used to not really care. Things just
Speaker 3: didn't make sense. I used to think that people believed
Speaker 3: the Bible just for the sake of believing the Bible,
Speaker 3: just so they had something to kind of latch onto,
Speaker 3: and that they were kind of I thought that people
Speaker 3: were like kind of self propelling their beliefs forward just
Speaker 3: because they.
Speaker 2: Raised Yeah, because it was a religion they were born into.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, social nurture, nature, all that stuff. But now
Speaker 3: that I see that there's answers in this book that
Speaker 3: explain this reality that we're in. They don't tell you
Speaker 3: every little thing, but there are answers in this book
Speaker 3: that explain things and make things make way more sense.
Speaker 3: And now I get it. Now I understand why why
Speaker 3: I call myself a Christian at the end.
Speaker 5: Of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And not everybody is into seeking and finding all
Speaker 2: these breadcrumb trails and finding these you know, people like us,
Speaker 2: we're treasure hunters man. Granted, not everybody's like that's but
Speaker 2: the ones that are don't need to be discouraged by
Speaker 2: those who don't want to seek out these this higher
Speaker 2: knowledge and these things that are foundation stones for the faith.
Speaker 2: And I find that a lot of people try to
Speaker 2: discourage them and be like a bookie and all that
Speaker 2: stuff you're talking about. It's it's useless. It's a waste
Speaker 2: of time. The only thing that matters is Christ, and
Speaker 2: you're wasting your time. And it's like, man, most of
Speaker 2: the people that are in this movement are in one
Speaker 2: of two camps. Either they're already saved and have that
Speaker 2: foundation in Christ, but they're treasure hunters man, that they
Speaker 2: want to find as much as they can because that
Speaker 2: gives them a thrill, that draws them closer something they
Speaker 2: can see, feel and touch and taste of their faith
Speaker 2: instead of just blind faith and any other camp are
Speaker 2: the seekers, the ones that are not Christians yet, but
Speaker 2: they know there's something out there and they're trying to
Speaker 2: find those proof nuggets so they can make their commitment.
Speaker 2: So in both situations is for the glory of the kingdom.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be discouraging those type of people and digging
Speaker 2: into those things. And I can't remember what sum it was,
Speaker 2: but it's one of my favorite ones. It says, you know,
Speaker 2: is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but
Speaker 2: it's the glory of kings to search things out.
Speaker 3: I love that one. I identify with that verse, I
Speaker 3: really do. And you're right, it's it's okay if people
Speaker 3: aren't fired up about this stuff in the way that
Speaker 3: we are. Not everybody, I guess, is meant to go
Speaker 3: this deep into, you know, maybe some of the more
Speaker 3: esoteric stuff. For me, it just makes total sense to
Speaker 3: dive into this. And I think a lot of it
Speaker 3: goes back to like pre roll you mentioned kitting red
Speaker 3: peeled and you kind of alluded to your journey and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and that kind of happened for me
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, and I knew that I was being
Speaker 3: lied to and so I had all these thoughts going
Speaker 3: through my head. But I also was like in a
Speaker 3: weird place where I'm like, why am I? Why am
Speaker 3: I here?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: You know, what's the point of this? And I really
Speaker 3: kind of made up my mind that I was going
Speaker 3: to start looking for answers for once and for all
Speaker 3: in my life. I was going to start looking into
Speaker 3: why is there a God? Even though I was a Christian,
Speaker 3: I was just in that place where I'm like, I
Speaker 3: need to know more definitively that there is a God
Speaker 3: and everything else that follows that. And when I decided
Speaker 3: that I was going to kind of start really buckling
Speaker 3: down and looking for answers, that's when all this stuff
Speaker 3: started coming up to my doorstep, this supernatural worldview, the
Speaker 3: Seed War of Genesis three point fifteen, the Washers in
Speaker 3: the f film of Genesis six. Then then I got
Speaker 3: some ACKed in the face with the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 3: I went back and read that and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is what I was looking for, yep. And it's
Speaker 3: like it just kind of once I made up my
Speaker 3: mind that I wanted to know more, that's when I
Speaker 3: got more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, once you start seeking, you know, that's
Speaker 2: what it says, you know, knocking, the doors shall be
Speaker 2: opened to ask, and it will be given to you.
Speaker 2: Seek and you shall find. And it's amazing because I
Speaker 2: talk about you know, I call all these little hidden
Speaker 2: things that I find. Y'all refer to them as gold nuggets.
Speaker 2: It's a treasure hunt or they're puzzle pieces. And yeah,
Speaker 2: the people that are just you know, don't get excited
Speaker 2: to go on these treasure hunts. Don't have to know
Speaker 2: all this other stuff. They're missing some puzzle pieces, but
Speaker 2: it still doesn't mean that they can't see the entire picture.
Speaker 2: They can see the picture. They know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's salvation. God made that so simple and so easy
Speaker 2: that even a child can understand it. But there's a
Speaker 2: few of us that's just like, man, there's four or
Speaker 2: five pieces missing here. Yeah, I know what it is,
Speaker 2: but it's killing me. I got to find those other pieces.
Speaker 2: And then when you read the Book of Enoch and
Speaker 2: Jasher and you believe and start getting into the historical
Speaker 2: contexts in the minds of the people that this ancient
Speaker 2: text to ancient text was written by and written to,
Speaker 2: you find those pieces, and like I said, you might
Speaker 2: have a full overall picture of what this is. But
Speaker 2: then like the Last Supper, for instance, Leonardo DaVinci, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know this is the lost the Last Supper boom,
Speaker 2: there's Jesus in the center and the twelve Apostles, but
Speaker 2: you might be missing that piece next to Judas's elbow.
Speaker 2: And then you find that and you plug that in
Speaker 2: and you're like, it's not changed though overall picture is
Speaker 2: the same. But man, now I see that spilt jar
Speaker 2: of salt beside Judas's arm, and Leonardo da Vinceu was
Speaker 2: signaling to everyone that Judas was a covenant breaker, because
Speaker 2: people at that time made salt covenants. And yeah, that's
Speaker 2: something that if you didn't have that puscle piece it,
Speaker 2: you know, it wouldn't that big a deal. But for
Speaker 2: those of us that find that and put that in there,
Speaker 2: it makes that so much stronger. And that's just how
Speaker 2: I like to look at it. I love that.
Speaker 3: I've never even heard that before. Wow, And I know,
Speaker 3: but I know that he did that. I know da
Speaker 3: Vinci was like that. He was encoding meaning and and
Speaker 3: uh just codes essentially into his artwork. I mean, even
Speaker 3: in that the Truvian Man, he had a scaled down
Speaker 3: version of the pyramids in this in the geometry of
Speaker 3: that the Druvian man drawing he was for I guess
Speaker 3: that that was maybe a nod towards ancient technology or
Speaker 3: something like that. But he, for whatever reason he put
Speaker 3: that in there. His stuff is full of those little
Speaker 3: gold nuggets to use your uh, your term there. And man,
Speaker 3: I knew we were gonna have a I knew we
Speaker 3: were gonna have like a cool conversation a day, Like
Speaker 3: even last night I went to bed thinking just kind
Speaker 3: of it was on my mind. I was going to
Speaker 3: have this interview today. And I had the weirdest dreams.
Speaker 3: I had a dream where I was chasing around a
Speaker 3: giant snake with a sword. Very realistic dream too. It
Speaker 3: sounds crazy to say it, you know, but like this
Speaker 3: snake would would make eye contact with me and it
Speaker 3: was huge. It could have taken me. And it's like
Speaker 3: every time the snake saw the resolve in my eyes
Speaker 3: for me to kill it, it would be it would
Speaker 3: run away from it. It was crazy. And then and
Speaker 3: then at one point, like I woke up and like
Speaker 3: I just had this word in my head. I heard,
Speaker 3: like nefloflo methyl I woke up this more like what
Speaker 3: was going on with these dreams? I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've got this interview today, So I don't know why
Speaker 3: I'm adding that into this episode, but I think this
Speaker 3: stuff can get under your skin a little bit. And
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think I think we're on the
Speaker 3: same page. Two about Esau. I do want to bring
Speaker 3: that up because I think you've got a book in
Speaker 3: the works on and yeah, yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 3: I think we're on the same page because I heard
Speaker 3: you on I think it was unfiltered Rise. It may
Speaker 3: have been another podcast. But when you got to that
Speaker 3: part about the birth of Esau and Jacob and Esau
Speaker 3: coming out with the Harry cloak, when I was like,
Speaker 3: I totally agree with this guy. Because earlier this year,
Speaker 3: as I'm reading through the Bible, when I came to
Speaker 3: that verse, I stopped and I went and I found
Speaker 3: every translation I could find. I read through at least
Speaker 3: twenty different translations of that verse because I'm like, what
Speaker 3: is happening here? Why is he? Is he Harry or
Speaker 3: were his arms? Some pastors will say, oh, he just
Speaker 3: had Harry arms and Harry legs. But after I got
Speaker 3: through about twenty different translations. What I walked away with
Speaker 3: was the sense that this was this Eastau was covered
Speaker 3: in hair like a little sasquatch, like you said, and that's, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that just kind of you know, I'll let you go
Speaker 3: more into that, but that is just that opens up
Speaker 3: so many doors of Okay, what's happening here? And back
Speaker 3: to my dream and like having this serpents in my dream,
Speaker 3: does does this tie into this nephelum serpent seed somehow?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think so too. And this book I
Speaker 2: finished it. I'm in the middle of format that now
Speaker 2: to get it out. But it was a journey. It
Speaker 2: was just I stumbled across that verse and I was like,
Speaker 2: he was covered in hair from head to toe, like
Speaker 2: a hairy cloak. And I was like that, in our
Speaker 2: modern vernacular, if we saw this guy out in the woods,
Speaker 2: we would, without hesitation, say that I seen a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: I've seen a big foot. And he's the only person
Speaker 2: in the Bible that's described this way, So it was
Speaker 2: he was a special person, and the ancient reader reading
Speaker 2: that would have definitely picked up on that. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been lost to them. And then as I started
Speaker 2: just going through I started going through the Book of Jashuer,
Speaker 2: and ju believes in the Midrash and the targums, and
Speaker 2: you know some of those are they divine inspired? No,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them are referenced in your sixty
Speaker 2: six book Cannon. So that showed you the writers read
Speaker 2: it and you know, believed it, or in the very
Speaker 2: least was familiar with it. It was a part of
Speaker 2: their culture. You know, I tell people a thousand years
Speaker 2: from now, if somebody wrote the History of America and
Speaker 2: we get wiped out by some cataclysm and they find
Speaker 2: this history of America, but then they find a couple
Speaker 2: sports illustrated magazines or cosmopolitan magazines. Are those our quote
Speaker 2: unquote history books. No, but you're going to learn a
Speaker 2: hell of a whole lot about our culture, what we thought,
Speaker 2: what we believed, and what we are up to by
Speaker 2: reading those. And that's how I see a lot of
Speaker 2: these extra biblical books. It doesn't have to be divine
Speaker 2: inspired to be important for historical context. And those were
Speaker 2: all just puzzle pieces, and I just kept putting those
Speaker 2: pieces to the side, putting it to the side, until
Speaker 2: finally I had this complete picture of this, you know,
Speaker 2: enigmatic character named Esau. And what is so wild about
Speaker 2: is this has spread out between you know, all kinds
Speaker 2: of different writings in different people, but they weave in
Speaker 2: and out of each other like a perfect garment, and
Speaker 2: tell this very complete story of this guy, and you
Speaker 2: get the whole surpent Seed in which that's a red
Speaker 2: flag to a lot of people, but that tied in
Speaker 2: and to me it answered so many other questions. And
Speaker 2: once again, this is one of those theories that it
Speaker 2: does nothing to the doctrine of faith. It's not heresy
Speaker 2: if you're right or wrong. But some people get pretty
Speaker 2: bent out of shape over this because the establishment scholars
Speaker 2: and stuff laugh at it and say that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not true, it can't be real, a terracey And
Speaker 2: there's also been racist organizations take this idea and this
Speaker 2: doctrine and pervert it and manipulate it to their own
Speaker 2: justification of genocide and racial hatred. So, you know, the
Speaker 2: idea is that Cain was of the serpent Seed and
Speaker 2: the klu klux Klan, Adolf Hitler, some of these organizations
Speaker 2: and powerful people that wanted the mass genocide of entire
Speaker 2: populations grabbed onto this doctrine and used it as their
Speaker 2: proof text and said, ah, we see there's a serpent seed.
Speaker 2: So they're born evil, they're born with the destiny to
Speaker 2: go to hell, and they're born to throw us off
Speaker 2: course and destroy humanity. So therefore they're not human. We
Speaker 2: can just kill them all. And that's not what I'm
Speaker 2: advocating for here. I think that there's some good sound
Speaker 2: points to be made from this serpent seed doctrine that
Speaker 2: ties a lot of loose ends and answers a lot
Speaker 2: of ambiguous questions in the text if it hands out
Speaker 2: to be true. So it's like, just because someone bad
Speaker 2: takes a hold of an idea and twists it to
Speaker 2: their own wicked ends, doesn't make the idea bad, it
Speaker 2: makes the application and perversion of that idea bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also too, I don't know that Hitler was
Speaker 3: going was taking his version of a serpent seed from
Speaker 3: the Biblical text.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I know that they were into a lot of different
Speaker 3: ancient books that kind of went into different origins of man,
Speaker 3: most of them centered around the North somewhere, like the
Speaker 3: ancient civilization of Hyperborea.
Speaker 2: They they had a.
Speaker 3: Some sort of an Atlantean civilization that existed two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand years ago. This is these this is their dating
Speaker 3: that sunk into the ocean, and those people got out
Speaker 3: of there and they spread to Europe and they went
Speaker 3: to Iran, and they thought some of them went to
Speaker 3: Tibet as well. So the Nazis were taking all this
Speaker 3: other mythology from these other I guess you could say,
Speaker 3: more secular books, and they were just kind of amalgamating,
Speaker 3: amalgamating for sure. They were taking little bits and pieces
Speaker 3: from here and from there, and they're putting them all
Speaker 3: together and they're building up this this fantasy origin story.
Speaker 3: And I have come across them doing that, like they
Speaker 3: were always doing that, and they were into some really
Speaker 3: wild I would call them old occult manuscripts to get
Speaker 3: some of this, to get these ideas. So that doesn't
Speaker 3: surprise me that they would they would latch onto the
Speaker 3: serpent seed, and.
Speaker 2: As laterans really did because later on, you know, the
Speaker 2: Arians that come here to the United States that were
Speaker 2: more familiar with the Bible, when they heard about this doctrine,
Speaker 2: it was like you said, it was another piece of
Speaker 2: the puzzle or another one they could grab as a
Speaker 2: proof text and be like, yeah, those Jews they're the
Speaker 2: evil ones because here you have these two seeds, and
Speaker 2: the Jews screwed Esau and came the rightful eldest brothers
Speaker 2: in error and stole all the blessings and birthrights. They're
Speaker 2: the evil ones. Kill all the Jews.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: See anything that they could grab onto that would that
Speaker 2: they could twist or pervert a little bit to justify
Speaker 2: their cause. Doesn't mean they're a Christian. It's just that's
Speaker 2: just something that they can use to show their right
Speaker 2: and they don't necessarily have to align with it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I think too. And
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go super deep into this right now,
Speaker 3: but something I found recently is you've got this story
Speaker 3: of Jacob and Esau. Jacob later in life, his name
Speaker 3: actually becomes Israel. His descendants are the first Israelites. Esaw,
Speaker 3: his brother becomes edom his descendants are the first Edomites.
Speaker 3: And I can show you this later, but there's a
Speaker 3: strong case to be made that the German people come
Speaker 3: from the from the Edomites. There's a there's an old
Speaker 3: group that the Nazis were kind of tracing their bloodlines,
Speaker 3: who called Germania out of northern Germany and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of ties to Edomites there, and of course Israelites
Speaker 3: are the Jews, so this is a blood feud that
Speaker 3: goes back to the Bible. At World War two in
Speaker 3: the nineteen forties, it's very possible that you had a
Speaker 3: revival of this blood feud where you have the descendants
Speaker 3: of the Edomites going after the Israelites one last time
Speaker 3: the wipe them out.
Speaker 2: And also too, like historically speaking, I found when I
Speaker 2: was doing all this research that Edomites was like an
Speaker 2: epithet or an allegory for anyone that was a adversary
Speaker 2: to God's people. They called the Romans Edomites several times,
Speaker 2: so it's like anybody that was a thorn in their
Speaker 2: side or an adversary. It was kind of like a
Speaker 2: catch all epithet term that they would throw at people.
Speaker 2: All there are adversaries, they're Edomites. And when I got
Speaker 2: to looking through that, when I seen the birth of Esau,
Speaker 2: not only was you know, he covered in hair from
Speaker 2: head to toe like a Harry cloak. That was weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then it says that when they they were born
Speaker 2: that Jacob had a hold of Esau's hell and memediately,
Speaker 2: I was like Genesis three point fifteen. And when you
Speaker 2: and as the seed war verse, and when you go there,
Speaker 2: it says, I will put enmity between your seed the
Speaker 2: woman or the serpent sorry, and thy seed the woman.
Speaker 2: So there it said plainly she would have a seed,
Speaker 2: he would have a seed, and they would be at
Speaker 2: enmity with one another. And it said your seed shall
Speaker 2: bruise thy seed's head, but your seed will bruise the
Speaker 2: other's heel. So you got a bruising of a head
Speaker 2: and a bruising of a heel. And when you look
Speaker 2: at the birth, I think that if in fact Esau
Speaker 2: was a serpent seed, Satan stuck his hand in basically
Speaker 2: the womb and try to flip it around to pervert
Speaker 2: this prophecy on its head, because that's what Satan does.
Speaker 2: He perverts things and flips them upside down. And there
Speaker 2: you have Esau's head, I'm sorry, Esau's foot pressing on
Speaker 2: Jacob's head, bruising the head, and then Jacob's hand grasping
Speaker 2: Esau's heel and bruising the heel. It's a perfect picture
Speaker 2: of Genesis three fifteen.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why they use that word enmity.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could have used strife for any other conflict word,
Speaker 3: but they chose to use that word enmity.
Speaker 2: And then when you look into Flavus Josephus, the Jewish historian,
Speaker 2: he was a well educated man. He knew that he
Speaker 2: was writing these histories of the people and that it
Speaker 2: would be preserved and important, and he was a well
Speaker 2: educated man. I think he chose his words very intentionally
Speaker 2: and with a lot of thought and contemplation. And when
Speaker 2: he describes the conflict between those two brothers, he uses
Speaker 2: the word enmity. So not only do you have a
Speaker 2: visual picture of Genesis three point fifteen in that cursing
Speaker 2: with this birth, you also have a verbal affirmation from
Speaker 2: the Jewish historian. And I even said in the book
Speaker 2: whether it is physically real, like if Esau truly was
Speaker 2: a serpent seed, or just the people of that time
Speaker 2: painted him in that light and or believed him to be,
Speaker 2: it's one of those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it seems to me that with those two,
Speaker 3: with Jacob and Esau, of course they come to represent
Speaker 3: these two nations of people here and and for some reason,
Speaker 3: of course, Esau looks very different. He's not very human
Speaker 3: like so I'm very curious about what that was really
Speaker 3: all about that because there seems to be like a
Speaker 3: purposeful dichotomy here. It seems like something more is happening here.
Speaker 3: Do you think that God is letting this is maybe
Speaker 3: out there, but do you think that God is like
Speaker 3: letting Nakash have his own kingdom of people? So he
Speaker 3: would I don't know, stop trying to tamper with everyone
Speaker 3: else's DNA or something like that.
Speaker 2: See with that, I think it's like because even in scripture,
Speaker 2: you know, it says that Jacob I loved, but Esau
Speaker 2: I hated. You know, God is a god of love,
Speaker 2: and he loves all of his children, all his creation.
Speaker 2: So it's like when I read that, especially with all
Speaker 2: the stuff that I researched and learned, I was like,
Speaker 2: that probably answers why God hated Esau because he wasn't
Speaker 2: as they said. You know, when Noah was preserved through
Speaker 2: the flood, it says that he was the only him
Speaker 2: and his family were the only righteous ones left. When
Speaker 2: you go to the Hebrew, it says to me, him
Speaker 2: and his family were the only ones that were to me.
Speaker 2: And that word in Hebrew always refers to the purity
Speaker 2: of the blood of the sacrificial animals. So it's saying
Speaker 2: that he had pure blood, and so it was kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, it says that Satan is the
Speaker 2: ruler of this world. Even when Satan appears to Jesus
Speaker 2: and his wilderness wanderings and tempts him, you know, he
Speaker 2: tells him, bow the knee. All you got to do
Speaker 2: is bow and serve me and worship me, and I'll
Speaker 2: give you all the nations of the world, because they
Speaker 2: are mine to give to whom I please. And that's
Speaker 2: what Paul was talking about when he said we traded
Speaker 2: the truth for a lie. We worshiped the created things
Speaker 2: instead of the Creator. We traded our dominion away to Satan.
Speaker 3: And with Noah too. It also says he was pure
Speaker 3: in his genealogy. I think that's the word it uses,
Speaker 3: And to me, that always makes me think that that's
Speaker 3: a reference to him being pure genetically possibly, so that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of saved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of why I was like throwing DNA
Speaker 3: into this, because I wonder if there's like with Kin,
Speaker 3: with Esau and with the Nephilim, if there's a very
Speaker 3: clear difference of DNA with those three I do.
Speaker 2: I think so. But here's where I differ with people,
Speaker 2: and it's something I'm not really explained well in some
Speaker 2: of these interviews, because I've had people hit me up
Speaker 2: on social media or email because they're like, well, if
Speaker 2: what you're saying is right, then the racist view, you're
Speaker 2: confirming it because if someone you know you can't control
Speaker 2: who your parents are, what if you have nephluin DNA
Speaker 2: or serpencyed DNA in your blood and your blood you're
Speaker 2: automatically doomed to hell. And I was like, no, that's
Speaker 2: where I differ because I think that's where the perversion happened.
Speaker 2: God gives free will to all, and even Cain. If
Speaker 2: Kin is not a serpent seed, then this entire theory
Speaker 2: is dead on arrival. That's where it all starts. And
Speaker 2: if you notice in that story, when Cain starts getting
Speaker 2: bitter and looking at his brother's favor with hatred and envy,
Speaker 2: what happens. God comes down and reasons with Cain. He says,
Speaker 2: you know, Cain, why are you upset? If you do
Speaker 2: not do well? Will you not succeed? And then he
Speaker 2: even says, and I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically says,
Speaker 2: these emotions that you're going through, you must grab hold
Speaker 2: of them and rule over them. So he sees his
Speaker 2: conflict and God's trying to reason with him and talk
Speaker 2: some sins into him. But the choice is ultimately Cain's.
Speaker 2: If he was a damned seed or person right from
Speaker 2: the creation, there would have been no point in God
Speaker 2: coming and talking to him and reason with him and
Speaker 2: offering him an alternative choice or life path. So to me,
Speaker 2: that shows plainly that you're not doomed because of your parents.
Speaker 2: You have a choice. But granted, I mean, if you
Speaker 2: believe in this theory and you look back far enough,
Speaker 2: I mean we all probably have at least a spec
Speaker 2: of this gene type, or a large percentage of us do.
Speaker 2: But I think it's all on an intent and the heart,
Speaker 2: because it even says that nothing that you put in
Speaker 2: your body can defile it. It's what comes out that
Speaker 2: defiles the man, and your DNA and your genealogies that's
Speaker 2: in you, so that can't corrupt you. It's your intentions
Speaker 2: and your choices.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm starting to put all this together slowly.
Speaker 3: Before I thought that the DNA corruption was just an
Speaker 3: awful thing. Now I'm thinking, you know, there's these three
Speaker 3: three mystery bloodlines, if you could call it that. You've
Speaker 3: got Kine Esau and then then the nefol And I'm
Speaker 3: wondering if the serpent seed goes beyond nefilim to like
Speaker 3: include these other people like Esau and Kane. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm reaching too far with that.
Speaker 2: Or what, but I mean it's a possibility, and you
Speaker 2: have to keep that door open and with me. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I've just recently kind of come to this
Speaker 2: serpent seed stuff. But doctor Joey Pugh, are you familiar
Speaker 2: with her? Nope, you know she she's uh, I don't
Speaker 2: know what she's got her degrees in, but she's got
Speaker 2: a lot of degrees. She's an educated woman. She's a
Speaker 2: she's from South Georgia. She's a good old country girl
Speaker 2: like me. So I think, well, I'm a country boy,
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. But she talks about
Speaker 2: things and explains things that I can understand them. She
Speaker 2: puts them in good old boy language. And she was
Speaker 2: talking to me on a show about this whole idea
Speaker 2: and how she explained it. It made perfect good old
Speaker 2: boy logic, even if I didn't have never read the
Speaker 2: script scripture in my entire life, never even heard of
Speaker 2: the serpent seed doctrine. The way she told this, it
Speaker 2: was like all signs point to yes, all my reasoning
Speaker 2: points to yes, all my logic points to yes. And
Speaker 2: she was talking about this event. She said, I was
Speaker 2: raised and taught that there was this apple. They bit
Speaker 2: into this apple, and you know, and they become consciously aware,
Speaker 2: and they rebelled and they fell. She said, Then I
Speaker 2: got older and got to read, and she said, there
Speaker 2: is no apple in the story. She says, like, where's
Speaker 2: the apple? And she said, but it does say that
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve partook of the tree of knowledge of
Speaker 2: good and evil. And she named all these different verses
Speaker 2: where heavenly beings are compared to trees, the cedars of
Speaker 2: Lebanon and all this other stuff. And she said the
Speaker 2: Hebrew word for eats, And she said, the word. When
Speaker 2: you go into like logos, Bible software, or one of
Speaker 2: these inner linears and highlight that word in search, it
Speaker 2: gives you all the different times that was in the
Speaker 2: scripture and what it was translated to in English. And
Speaker 2: one of those translations. That's quite often is enjoys. So
Speaker 2: it says if you look at it in that context
Speaker 2: and put that in there, Eve partook of the tree
Speaker 2: of good knowledge, and she enjoyed. Then she went to
Speaker 2: her husband and he too enjoyed. And she said, this
Speaker 2: was old testament. It was eye for an eye, tooth
Speaker 2: for a tooth. She said, the cursing always correlated mirrored
Speaker 2: image of the crime. And she said, and a good
Speaker 2: example is she said. My mother was very strict and
Speaker 2: said that we couldn't have any sweets before supper. She said,
Speaker 2: Me and my sister knew that. She said, but she
Speaker 2: kept a cookie jar bove refrigerator and said one day
Speaker 2: she was preparing supper and she went into the living
Speaker 2: room for something, and me and my sister thought we
Speaker 2: could jump up there and grab a cookie and eat
Speaker 2: it really fast without her knowing, and said that. Sure enough,
Speaker 2: she walked in and caught us in the middle of
Speaker 2: eating them. She said, you know what we did justin,
Speaker 2: she said. The first thing we did, we covered our mouth.
Speaker 2: She said, because that's where the sin was, that's where
Speaker 2: we transgressed. And she said, and Adam and Eve, as
Speaker 2: soon as they enjoy this tree, they covered their private parts,
Speaker 2: and then she says, then look at the cursing. She said,
Speaker 2: if the sin was eating, he could have cursed them
Speaker 2: with rotten teeth, a toothache, stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea, something
Speaker 2: that correlated with eating, she said. But not one, not two,
Speaker 2: she said. Every part of the curse had to do
Speaker 2: with the result of a sexual action. She said, cursed
Speaker 2: with labor and childbirth, curse with painful periods and minstrel cramps.
Speaker 2: And then you get a cursing of not just her seed,
Speaker 2: a cursing of the serpent's seed also, And then the
Speaker 2: Hebrew word you used, that Eve was beguiled once again.
Speaker 2: If you look through Logo's Bible software or one of
Speaker 2: these inner linears, that word is used often with a
Speaker 2: sexual connotation to it. And Caine's name even means in
Speaker 2: Hebrew means acquired. And the one verse, there's only one
Speaker 2: verse that the people that laugh at this doctrine and
Speaker 2: put it away, they only have one verse, and it's
Speaker 2: the one where it says and Adam knew his wife,
Speaker 2: and she bore Cain. And then it says and then
Speaker 2: again she bore Abel. It doesn't say, conceived, bore means deliver.
Speaker 2: So it's like if she partook of the tree of
Speaker 2: the Nakash and got pregnant. It makes perfect sense why
Speaker 2: God said I'm gonna putity between your seed and your seed,
Speaker 2: because Adam's gonna impregnate you and you're going to have
Speaker 2: two different seeds here, and then you have that whole
Speaker 2: mirrored image of Genesis three point fifteen at the birth
Speaker 2: of Esau. Again, it makes I mean to me, it
Speaker 2: makes total sense, and it answers so many questions because
Speaker 2: a lot of people want to point to the netphile
Speaker 2: and say, oh, that's the serpent seed, that's the devil seed.
Speaker 3: It wasn't an apple. That makes sense to me. Also,
Speaker 3: Naikash not being a serpent to begin with makes sense
Speaker 3: to me. I don't think that this was a snake
Speaker 3: that talked to her. I think I think we're on
Speaker 3: the same page with this. Nikosh has that meaning that
Speaker 3: if maybe it's Hebrew it says the shining one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shining one or the one who practices divination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it kind of this may have been a
Speaker 3: humanoid that was talking to her, something with the form
Speaker 3: of a man, right, or.
Speaker 2: A lot of angels were depicted as humans. They eat,
Speaker 2: they drink, they sleep, and you know, the New Testament says,
Speaker 2: you know, don't turn away strangers and be nice to
Speaker 2: everyone because you may be entertaining angels unaware. Yes, and
Speaker 2: even when you get to his equal twenty eight. And
Speaker 2: that's another thing I touched on in the book is
Speaker 2: that the garments from the Garden of Eden, because this
Speaker 2: is a very key piece to this story. In this puzzle,
Speaker 2: you know, the consensus majority, you know, Majoritaly is that
Speaker 2: this was Satan. It starts off as a condemnation to
Speaker 2: the King of Tire, but then the wording changes. He's
Speaker 2: no longer talking to a human because he says, you know,
Speaker 2: you were perfect in all your ways. You were an
Speaker 2: anointed guardian chair of you. You were in the garden
Speaker 2: of God. I said, every precious stone was your covering.
Speaker 2: And the names, you know, barrel ONYX, diamonds, sapphire, jasper
Speaker 2: set in gold was the enlays and they were perfect
Speaker 2: made for you on the day you were created. And
Speaker 2: then it goes so it's describing this priestly epought. Then
Speaker 2: it goes on and says, and you profaned your sanctuaries.
Speaker 2: So not only does he have a priestly ephought on,
Speaker 2: he has a sanctuary because it says he profaned it.
Speaker 2: The description of this entsity fits his name. If he,
Speaker 2: you know, if he had on this multicolored stone and
Speaker 2: bright colored fabric e FOD with gold inlays and diamonds
Speaker 2: and rubies and all this stuff, it fits his name,
Speaker 2: he would definitely be shining.
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