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<v Speaker 1>The disclaimer to the fair season karents out there, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>Dare You ill? Guests on the show do not reflect

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<v Speaker 1>the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show

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<v Speaker 1>is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow

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<v Speaker 1>not what we want. If you weren't looking for an

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<v Speaker 1>echo chamber, viewer and listener.

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<v Speaker 2>Discretion is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you talk about extreme?

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening and what is up?

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<v Speaker 4>Hold out your glass because we're about to feel it up.

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<v Speaker 5>All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline,

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<v Speaker 5>and fallen angels. In the distance looms a mystical mountain.

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<v Speaker 5>As Mike Heuser used to say, if it's in the

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<v Speaker 5>Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. At its peak,

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<v Speaker 5>a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus Lens.

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<v Speaker 2>This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within

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<v Speaker 2>the Mysteries.

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<v Speaker 5>An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within

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<v Speaker 5>a deliberately darkened world.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a hidden history that's been deliberately obscated from

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<v Speaker 1>the people's livil world.

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<v Speaker 5>Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a hero's journey with dragons, to slay, damsels to save,

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<v Speaker 5>and innumerable treasures to hoard.

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<v Speaker 4>Torches high the Smithsonian, they call wind of the Giant's belt,

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<v Speaker 4>would send their agents out to get.

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<v Speaker 5>It, but it takes courage to move forward, to move

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<v Speaker 5>out of the shadows, out of the unreality that we

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<v Speaker 5>think of. This reality.

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<v Speaker 2>We are all on the hero's journey.

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<v Speaker 5>Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave the citient mound of bull feathers out of it, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, look at it from a different perspected different perspective, diffective.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited about this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 3>My guest is someone I've been looking forward to talking with.

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<v Speaker 3>He's working on a book. He's also a podcast host,

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Brown from the Prometheus Lens podcast. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 3>show man.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Tim, thank you for having me. Man, I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you. I love some good conversations and dialogue.

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<v Speaker 3>Same that's what keeps me in the game. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>keeps me doing this. It's you hit rough patches sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>and you think about hanging it up. But when I

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<v Speaker 3>have a show like this, it kind of it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of reminds me at of why I'm podcasting because you

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<v Speaker 3>know I've heard your show. I actually i've actually known

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<v Speaker 3>about your show for a little while. I caught you

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<v Speaker 3>early on. I think I heard about you from Bo

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy on AI Once upon a Time when that was

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<v Speaker 3>a running show. He shouted you out and he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to go listen to this guy. So I

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<v Speaker 3>actually paused the show and I went and I found

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<v Speaker 3>your podcast so I wouldn't forget to do it later.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's awesome. Yeah. I listened to that and I

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<v Speaker 2>was I loved that conversation too, and I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to be in on that one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just listening and all of a sudden, he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>have you guys talked to Justin Brown Prometheus Slims. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to talk to him. And I was like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bo. Yeah, So that's that's how long I've been listening.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to say, when I went and found

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<v Speaker 3>your show, you only had a couple posted, but I

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<v Speaker 3>might be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just I just hit the year of Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like I got like fifty something episodes I

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<v Speaker 2>think right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I was going to ask you something, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we should stay on talking about your show. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>get to that later. I was going to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>something about because I like your take on scripture, but

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<v Speaker 3>i'll i'll ask you about it later. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I know how you got into podcasting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was like we was kind of talking pre roll.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a guy that grew up in church my

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<v Speaker 2>whole life. Of course, to me, I had the rebellious

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<v Speaker 2>stage once I got sixteen and got the keys and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>keys of the car, but I always had that foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was always obsessed with history and the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was that little kid that was even seven

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<v Speaker 2>eight years old, you know, asking all these questions during

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday school. And so with that and my love of history,

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<v Speaker 2>that led into mythology and stuff like that. I was

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<v Speaker 2>always a I was never like a straight A student.

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<v Speaker 2>did love mythology and history in the Bible and never

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<v Speaker 2>really liked to read any of that stuff. In twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>from God in a Nutshell, and he was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the astral realm and angels breeding with the daughters of

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<v Speaker 2>this you know, whacky do stuff, I thought, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, man, this guy, he's I wrote my Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not in the Bible. So then I cracked open

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my god, this stuff is like

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<v Speaker 2>staring me right in my face my whole life. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just looked over it because I was relying so

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard just a six told, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>times in my years at church. But it was the

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<v Speaker 2>good line of Seth breeding with the bad line of

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<v Speaker 2>Caine and made spiritual, wicked people. And so when I

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<v Speaker 2>got exposed to this stuff, he introduced me to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Aaron Judkins and Derek Gilbert and Michael Heiser. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I started reading and finding all this stuff, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like a fire underneath me. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>that I already loved was so much more deeper than

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<v Speaker 2>to know. So I just deep dive studied, man, just

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<v Speaker 2>reading everything I could get my hands on. Starting in

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<v Speaker 2>just started you know, setting my phone out and talking

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the stuff I'd found. And I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be really cool to do like a show or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. But I talked myself out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I ended up inviting like fifteen, maybe twenty people

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<v Speaker 2>that was in my friend's circle and that I went

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<v Speaker 2>to church with just to have like men's group, just

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<v Speaker 2>good barbecue maybe, and talk about all this cool, weird

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in the Bible. And we had three meetings and

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<v Speaker 2>we covered the Michael Heiser's three Rebellions. And after three meetings,

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<v Speaker 2>my buddy Steve's like, man, this is just some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>profound stuff here. We should be recording this stuff. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a brother that's got a podcast and can

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<v Speaker 2>teach us everything we need to know. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be fun and we can open a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people's eyes. So that was, you know, two years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so two years ago and two podcasts later, here we

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you started. I mean, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>a very unique podcast. I like that you don't hold

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<v Speaker 3>back and you kind of just go straight into some

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<v Speaker 3>of these more I guess some people will call them fringe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so comfortable with this stuff now. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't see things any other way, like the

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<v Speaker 3>supernatural worldview is it's for me. It's that or bust.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, I just I mean, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>before I got into this stuff, your story resonates with

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<v Speaker 3>me because I heard about Gen six every now and

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<v Speaker 3>again in church, and it was only like a ten

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<v Speaker 3>minute portion of the sermon if it was ever brought

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<v Speaker 3>up at all. And also I don't think they usually

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<v Speaker 3>And it just never really made sense. It didn't click

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<v Speaker 3>to me, and so it didn't. I always had this

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<v Speaker 3>very Manila view of scripture. I used to be just

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<v Speaker 3>a crazy person, just playing music, running wild, not spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>none of this stuff made sense to me. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be like church people because I didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>a reason why. But when I came across this supernatural

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<v Speaker 3>worldview and the Book of Enoch, it all changed for

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<v Speaker 3>me and things just clicked.

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<v Speaker 2>That was me. It was just it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>bridge gap because where I was fascinated with it as

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<v Speaker 2>a little kid. I remember I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>David and Goliath. This was a you know, a really

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<v Speaker 2>giant dude, and the king was afraid of him, and

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<v Speaker 2>this whole army wouldn't come after him. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 2>more to this? I just mean I had this curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>and then the same thing. It's just the trading of

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<v Speaker 2>Esau's birthright reading that, you know, without my supernatural lens.

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<v Speaker 2>Even then, I was like, this doesn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 2>he just throws it away. So and then the flood.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how can I love in God destroy all

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<v Speaker 2>of humanity? And just all these questions that I had

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid. Once I got this supernatural worldview and

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<v Speaker 2>started discovering all these things, it was like that rainbow

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<v Speaker 2>bridge that went into asgard Man. I mean, it got

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<v Speaker 2>me there and I just seen this whole new world. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think if you and I can exist enough

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<v Speaker 3>to have this conversation, so can other intelligences. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm coming to find is that it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>there's good and evil, and I think there's a war

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<v Speaker 3>going on, and I think, but I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 3>just God and the Devil. I think there's other I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's like that old Rolling Stone song, Sympathy for

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<v Speaker 3>the Devil. If you follow the main character in that song,

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<v Speaker 3>he shows up at different moments in history. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was there with Jesus and because he's a supernatural

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<v Speaker 3>entity who meddles in human affairs, and I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more of that going on than most people

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<v Speaker 3>will admit or or even recognize. I think there's all

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<v Speaker 3>these other entities that it's not just Satan, and there

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<v Speaker 3>are others there. Those other gods mentioned in the Bible

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<v Speaker 3>are not just wood and stone idols in somebody's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's been a big thing for me lately. But but

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<v Speaker 3>what got me there was was Genesis three point fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Genesis six and reading the Book of Enoch, and that

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<v Speaker 3>understanding the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Deeteronomy thirty two was another one of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reading that and how that was a retelling

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<v Speaker 2>of Bible, and it really expands this Sunday School story

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<v Speaker 2>of God busting up the languages. It was like you, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not only did he bust up the languages, it says

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<v Speaker 2>that he divided the peoples amongst the sons of God.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the Hebrew, you know, that's been a high elohem,

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<v Speaker 2>the same phrase used in Genesis six and every time.

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<v Speaker 2>sons of God, but it is not beney Highalohem, but

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<v Speaker 2>every single time and the Hebrew language that bene Highaloheim

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<v Speaker 2>divine counsel which you see in the Greek mythology. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the many gods in this council that makes decisions

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<v Speaker 2>and rules over the nations and stuff, and that answers

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions like atheists try to attack our

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<v Speaker 2>and to the light. Because a lot of people will

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<v Speaker 2>say if your God is real, he's a shitty god

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<v Speaker 2>because look at all the war, the famine, the rape,

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<v Speaker 2>yours is real, he sucks at his job. And it's like, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the Deuteronomy thirty two worldview. And that's scriptural.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why it's so shitty is because of these

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely, that just pulled the car up and parts

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<v Speaker 3>about some scripture because and I've got it here, but

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<v Speaker 3>I made it up to Psalms recently, and something told

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<v Speaker 3>me to go back and read Deuteronomy because I kept

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<v Speaker 3>having these thoughts about stuff that I had read Deuteronomy,

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<v Speaker 3>so I wanted to go back and make sure I

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<v Speaker 3>back and read the through Deuteronomy again, and this whole

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<v Speaker 3>Divine Council thing just really just smacked me in the face.

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<v Speaker 3>This time so I went back to Psalms, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Psalms right now, and I got to Psalms eighty two.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw it again. But then I'm in Psalms eighty

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<v Speaker 3>nine and I see it again, and it's six through well,

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<v Speaker 3>this whole passage, but it starts with six, and it says,

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<v Speaker 3>for who in the skies can be compared to the Lord,

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<v Speaker 3>who among the heavenly beings, is like the Lord, a

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<v Speaker 3>god feared in the counsel of the holy ones, great

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<v Speaker 3>and awesome, and he is above all that are around him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it says he's the Lord, God of hosts,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just makes all these references to these other

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to call them, but that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what we're talking about here. What I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 3>you about, though, is this next part. It goes into

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<v Speaker 3>in verse ten. It says you crushed Rayhab like a carcass,

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<v Speaker 3>and you scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remember in Job there was a reference to Rayhab,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's in the context of like space or the heavens,

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<v Speaker 3>So it seems like that might be a planet. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to ask your opinion on.

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<v Speaker 2>That and see with that is. And that's not something

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<v Speaker 2>I've deep dived yet, but I actually just bought David

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn's collection where he goes into Mars and that whole

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<v Speaker 2>theory that he has on Rayhab, and that's what influenced

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy Alberino's viewpoint. I just went to a conference recently

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<v Speaker 2>and he was talking about it and he was like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>He said that was one of the most influential books

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<v Speaker 2>that I've read. He said it changed my life, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>and opened up a whole new world to scripture. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, if he's saying that, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to check it out myself. But I've heard him speak

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and his theory was that Rehab was once

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<v Speaker 2>a planet and I can't remember the two planets, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a space where a planet should be, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a huge busted up asteroid belt. So it appears

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<v Speaker 2>like at one time there might have been a planet

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<v Speaker 2>there and it got destroyed. And he said, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that verse and stuff is talking about. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty interesting idea. My only like pause with

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<v Speaker 2>it is like it makes it look like they outsmarted God,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like they knew they were on this planet

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<v Speaker 2>and that was home base, and God goes to crush

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<v Speaker 2>it and destroy it, but then they teleport off world

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<v Speaker 2>and miss God's judgment. So I mean that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like but like I said, I've not read the

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<v Speaker 2>book and seeing he might have an answer to all that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But my original thought was it was the chaos monster,

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<v Speaker 2>the chaos dragon. Yeah, because if you look, Scripture constantly

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<v Speaker 2>takes Middle Eastern religion and mythology and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>and basically reappropriates it. And that they put Yahweh at

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<v Speaker 2>the head and show his supremacy through the retaeilling of

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<v Speaker 2>their stories and reappropriating them, and a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hidden in the Hebrew. You don't see it unless

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<v Speaker 2>you look into the Hebrew. Like in Genesis, where God's

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<v Speaker 2>spirit hovers over the waters, he hovers over the to

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<v Speaker 2>home in Hebrew, it's a home that's a cognate of Tiamot.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the Innu Leish, Marduk is the hero and

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<v Speaker 2>he uses his strong right arm to destroy Tiamot and

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<v Speaker 2>he busts her into pieces and creates the universe in

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<v Speaker 2>the world with her pieces. So when I read that

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<v Speaker 2>mythology story and then I heard this mention in Job

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<v Speaker 2>of Rahab and it's basically it was a the lebath

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<v Speaker 2>and sea monster. Can you grab it by the nose

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<v Speaker 2>and pull it and do as that will and all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. Then it mentions the busting up of Rayhab

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<v Speaker 2>into pieces. That was always you know, my thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like a retelling or reappropriation of the

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<v Speaker 2>creation story with Mardock and Tmott. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>his Tim's speaking of that in David Flynn's book. It

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<v Speaker 2>was enough to get me to purchase the book. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just not read it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've come across tim out as well. And just

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<v Speaker 3>the the waters, like it goes back to Genesis where

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<v Speaker 3>it says, what does it say the God separated the waters?

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<v Speaker 3>So I can't figure out if Tmott was like a

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<v Speaker 3>water planet or or that was inhabited by dragons and

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<v Speaker 3>like this entity was like using the dragons, like coming

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<v Speaker 3>through them or some you know, it gets there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different ways you could probably take that. It

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<v Speaker 3>depends on I guess the myth the version that you're reading.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wonder if Tamat was the was another name

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<v Speaker 3>for this planet, because I think that the Sumerians have

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<v Speaker 3>a very they have that that map of the cosmos,

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<v Speaker 3>or somehow they knew about our solar system, they knew

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<v Speaker 3>about all the planets, and they the Sumerians have an

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<v Speaker 3>extra planet though, and they called it Tamot.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, that's pretty wild, So that would make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there's either way. We've got a missing planet

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<v Speaker 3>here and we've got an asteroid belt there now where

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<v Speaker 2>And I've even heard some people talk about they referred

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<v Speaker 2>to as Gabriel's fist, okay, and that it was an

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<v Speaker 2>instrument of God's judgment and that was what triggered the

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<v Speaker 2>great deluge that the pieces that he busted up had eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, God had used them to throw them into

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<v Speaker 2>Earth and cause these rifts and earthquakes and the great

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<v Speaker 2>cataclysm that caused the waters from the Abyss to burst forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what one thing a lot of people get

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<v Speaker 2>hung up on the h just the water that's coming down.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you read that, it says that not only

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<v Speaker 2>did the waters come down from above it says the

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<v Speaker 2>waters from the Abyss burst forth. And uh, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>not read or looked into I really highly suggested to

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<v Speaker 2>check out doctor Walt Brown and his hydroplate theory. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>that had for so many questions, and and he worked

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<v Speaker 2>for NASA. He wasn't just some schmuke off the street

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<v Speaker 2>picking stuff out of his back pocket and just throwing

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<v Speaker 2>out ideas. But like in a nutshell, he was saying

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<v Speaker 2>that he believed that Earth was like Pangaea, one super continent,

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<v Speaker 2>and then some kind of catastrophic event happened, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was an asteroid like Gabriel's fist, or a comet or

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<v Speaker 2>an earthquake, something some kind of great cataclysm happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>it caused the Pangaea to separate. And if you get

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<v Speaker 2>into the Bible even pay leg and you look at

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<v Speaker 2>that in the Hebrew, that means he was named that

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<v Speaker 2>because during his time, that's when the lands were divided.

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<v Speaker 2>And he talks about the Oceanic ridge. If you look today,

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<v Speaker 2>this Oceanic Ridge wraps around the globe like the seam

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<v Speaker 2>of a baseball, and every single major mountain range in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, without exception, lines up perfectly parallel with this

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<v Speaker 2>oceanic ridge, because that's where they were all pushed apart.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when they met resistance, they just buckled like

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<v Speaker 2>a car hood hitting the concrete wallet, it buckles up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he said that the plates sliding cost the

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<v Speaker 2>volcanoes to erupt, great earthquakes, the soot and ash, and

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<v Speaker 2>the volcanoes darkened the sky, lowering the temperatures on Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the first ice age, And like all the debris

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<v Speaker 2>that got flung up into the atmosphere that was not

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<v Speaker 2>strong enough to get propelled out come down and buried everything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you get the fossil record. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit that escaped the atmosphere. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks that's why you see so many pelts on

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<v Speaker 2>the new side of the Moon, because just from this

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic event, it just beat the hell out of the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Like, okay, and so what was the I missed

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<v Speaker 3>this part? What was the original catastrophe though? Was it

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<v Speaker 3>ours it exploding or was it water a water planet exploded.

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<v Speaker 3>You described what happened perfectly, but what what was the

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<v Speaker 3>first thing that happened?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what he was saying in his book. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. He wasn't sure. He said, he knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was his idea or theory that some kind of great

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<v Speaker 2>cataclysm happened to spring this forward, whether it was a

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<v Speaker 2>comet or an asteroid, or or just a anomaly of

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<v Speaker 2>an earthquake, just but he said, there was something that

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<v Speaker 2>had to trigger it all off. But I loved how

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<v Speaker 2>he was even tied into Young Adriass because he said,

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<v Speaker 2>after this happened, he said, all the smoke and ash

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<v Speaker 2>and soot that darkened the sky, it brought the first

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<v Speaker 2>ice age. He said. Then you know, a thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>or a certain amount of time passed, and that people

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<v Speaker 2>started recivilizing the earth and repopulating the earth. He said.

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<v Speaker 2>In people, they set along coastlines. They build their cities

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<v Speaker 2>on coasts. He said. So after a certain amount of time,

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<v Speaker 2>the ice cap started to melt, raising the water levels,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. And then at the same time, this is

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<v Speaker 2>newly formed land that's not settled into the bedrock yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So this new land starts to settle and go down

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, ice caps melting and raising the

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<v Speaker 2>water levels. That's why you have so many sunken cities

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<v Speaker 2>to this day. But that book, he's got is caught

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning, and I've not read it cover to

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<v Speaker 2>cover yet, but I've listened to him talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>and read some sections in the book. It's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is. And I think I said Mars exploding

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<v Speaker 3>a second ago, and what I meant was Mars being

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<v Speaker 3>affected by an explosion, because I've read up on some

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<v Speaker 3>of this stuff too, and it kind of parallels what

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying here and this guy's work. There was a guy,

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<v Speaker 3>Mars and he found that Mars polls had suddenly shifted.

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<v Speaker 3>And now that plan and it sits in, it is

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<v Speaker 3>positioned in a way that it wasn't originally. They even

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<v Speaker 3>went so far as to look at the face on

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<v Speaker 3>Mars and those pyramids and they think that those may

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<v Speaker 3>have been at one time right on the pole or

421
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<v Speaker 3>right on one of the like equator lines or something

422
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<v Speaker 3>like like a significant spot on the planet is where

423
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<v Speaker 3>those were placed, and that they were that face on

424
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<v Speaker 3>Mars was facing Earth originally, and whatever happened knocked Mars

425
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<v Speaker 3>to a to another Uh, you know, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>hanging in a different way now. So but something would

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<v Speaker 3>have happened. Oh, and there's craters on Mars like what

428
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<v Speaker 3>you're saying with the moon. They also found craters on

429
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<v Speaker 3>one side of Marsh, indicating that something exploded and and

430
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<v Speaker 3>just showered that one side of the planet with debris.

431
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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, So I guess, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. I mean, man,

432
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<v Speaker 3>I just like, I don't know, this is how I

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<v Speaker 3>see the world now.

434
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<v Speaker 2>It's like.

435
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<v Speaker 3>I'm leaving room for possibilities in my spirituality now for

436
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 3>all these bigger ideas like a cosmic war, like a

437
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 3>planet exploding. And it's like, once I just accept that

438
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 3>maybe this kind of stuff happened, things just start to

439
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<v Speaker 3>make sense. And I mean, you know, like this, like

440
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<v Speaker 3>this verse, this chapter, so I'm eighty nine, like there's

441
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<v Speaker 3>one other spot in here. I thought it was interesting.

442
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<v Speaker 3>It talks about rehab and then it goes into it

443
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<v Speaker 3>says the North and the South you created them, Tabor

444
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<v Speaker 3>and Herman joyously praise your name. And I just think

445
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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that they decide to throw Mount Hermon in there,

446
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<v Speaker 3>because it seems like that mountain just has a lot

447
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<v Speaker 3>of significance. I don't know if there's you know, how

448
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, scripture is like a it's like coded, it's

449
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<v Speaker 3>almost like an onion or something like. You can you

450
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<v Speaker 3>can find new meanings, several different meanings for one verse.

451
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm still trying to find out what they why

452
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<v Speaker 3>they put Mount Hermont in this chapter. I just have

453
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<v Speaker 3>a feeling it's significant because that that might go into

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<v Speaker 3>actually your book, because the Watchers in Genesis six come

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<v Speaker 3>down to Earth at Mount Hermon. This is where they

456
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<v Speaker 3>had an exchange with the men of Earth. They wanted

457
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<v Speaker 3>human women and they gave yep technology and that's how

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<v Speaker 3>we get the Nephilon. And I don't know if your

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<v Speaker 3>book goes into that, but I know you go into Esau,

460
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 3>and I think that Esau fits into this somehow as well.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do too. And then I tell people, because

462
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 2>some people do that they get worked up if you

463
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<v Speaker 2>say something that's against the cultural norm or the teaching norm,

464
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<v Speaker 2>even if it's not salvational, even if it's not something

465
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>that changes the doctrine of the faith. My thoughts and

466
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>theories on this subject are very different than traditional thought.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Some people can hear that and be like, have an

468
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<v Speaker 2>open mind, be like you know that that makes sense,

469
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<v Speaker 2>and then that does answer a lot of questions. You

470
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<v Speaker 2>might be onto something, but then I have certain people

471
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<v Speaker 2>that's just like that, this is blasphemous. Now you're you're

472
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<v Speaker 2>reading too much into it, and I'm unsubscribing from your channel,

473
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And I'm the type of person.

474
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<v Speaker 2>The more I've studied, the more I've read, the deeper

475
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 2>that my faith has went. And studying these things, these

476
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 2>things have only solidified my faith and drew me closer

477
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 2>to God. And we have to remember that we worship God.

478
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<v Speaker 2>And I've said this before, and this is something else

479
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 2>that ruffles some feathers. I worship God, the creator of

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<v Speaker 2>this universe. I don't worship a text. And I think

481
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Christians worship a text. I mean, I

482
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<v Speaker 2>think the Bible is the divine inspired word of God,

483
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<v Speaker 2>but it's not. It doesn't have the answers for everything.

484
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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have all the historical things that happened throughout,

485
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<v Speaker 2>you know, since the time of creation. This is a

486
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<v Speaker 2>book that tells where the faith come from, how it progressed,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and their beliefs of the high points of our creation

488
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and our fall and our redemption. So it's like when

489
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<v Speaker 2>you get people talking about the gap theory. Some people

490
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>get bent plumb out of shape. It's not in there.

491
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<v Speaker 2>You're making this up. And it's like, just because it's

492
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>not in there doesn't mean it didn't happen. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you go into some of this original language, it's like

494
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<v Speaker 2>it says that God makes nothing null and void, and

495
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<v Speaker 2>it said that he, you know, re establishes earth and

496
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<v Speaker 2>reconstitutes it. When you get into like the Hebrew language

497
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<v Speaker 2>there in the verbiage, and then you get to the

498
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<v Speaker 2>Great Flood, he promises Noah that never again will he

499
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<v Speaker 2>destroy the earth with water. So it's like, why did

500
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<v Speaker 2>he say again if this was the first time. Yeah,

501
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's not anything that you know, I'm dogmatic about that.

502
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<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to build my cross and die on that hill.

503
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<v Speaker 2>But it's like we have to have our minds open

504
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 2>enough to look into these things, ask these questions and

505
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>see how they tie in and if they answer a

506
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<v Speaker 2>lot of loose ended and ambiguous stuff in the scripture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I do kind of lean towards the

508
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:23.720
<v Speaker 3>gap theory now because to think that it was done

509
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<v Speaker 3>in a week, that's kind of like us putting our

510
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<v Speaker 3>understanding of time onto God. Time might be totally different

511
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<v Speaker 3>to a divine being. They might not even be in

512
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<v Speaker 3>the third dimension. You know, time is totally different in

513
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<v Speaker 3>whatever where they're at, especially if they're not in the

514
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<v Speaker 3>third dimension. Time is definitely if you study physics, you

515
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>realize once you get out of that third dimension, once

516
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 3>you get into the fourth and the fifth and so on,

517
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.200
<v Speaker 3>time is going to act differently. So to be dogmatic

518
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>about the Earth being created in seven days, that's us

519
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 3>kind of projecting our ideas of time onto an all

520
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 3>knowing divine entity, a creator God.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And my whole thing with even being open to

522
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>it is because it's kind of like the Star Wars movies.

523
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>You see Darth Vader and he's just inherently evil. You

524
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 2>don't get the backstory to why he was evil. You know,

525
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>there's always a why and a backstory thing. So when

526
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 2>we start at the creation, it says that let us

527
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>make man in our image. That's plural language. You know.

528
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe God was you know, an ego maniac

529
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>or psychotic talking to himself. He was talking to his

530
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>divine counsel, which, according to the Book of Job says,

531
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>was there at the side of creation and saying for

532
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 2>joy at the side of it. So they are our

533
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>elder brothers. And then here we have the garden, Adam

534
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 2>and Eve, this new creation, and a lot of people

535
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 2>missed it. I mean, there's day six people. It says,

536
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 2>let us make man in our image, so that there

537
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.759
<v Speaker 2>they go, that they're already made and put into the earth.

538
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>But then later it says Adam and Eve was created.

539
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Adam was pulled from the dust of the ground. It's

540
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of like Adam and Eve was his pet project.

541
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 2>It was like it was an answer or a response

542
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 2>to a thing. And then you hear you have their

543
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>darth vader Satan the Nakash, and he's got a chip

544
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>on his shoulder about this new creation and tries to

545
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.799
<v Speaker 2>deceive it and overthrow it and cast it down. Well,

546
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>if you tie in a gap there, if there was

547
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>some kind of intergalactic war and Satan and some of

548
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>his other brothers ruled over the earth, had their own offspring,

549
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 2>and had dominion over it, then all of a sudden

550
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<v Speaker 2>there was a war, was destroyed, and then it was

551
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>recreated and given to this new race. That would give

552
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 2>him a whole lot of motive to be pissed off

553
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>and want to rebel and do the things that he did.

554
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does supply a motive. Yeah.

555
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to remind people too that nothing you just

556
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<v Speaker 3>said challenge is the doctrine of Christ.

557
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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's something That's what I was trying to say,

558
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 2>is I could be completely wrong or be one hundred

559
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 2>percent right. It changes nothing of the story of salvation

560
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 2>in the doctrine of our faith.

561
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think there's more going on there behind the scenes.

562
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<v Speaker 3>With Genesis. You you kind of do have to read

563
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<v Speaker 3>between the lines a little bit. I mean, even even

564
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<v Speaker 3>when Cain kills Abel and he goes off and starts

565
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<v Speaker 3>his own kind of group of people, he joins up

566
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<v Speaker 3>with another civilization, but weird because his parents are Adam

567
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:04.719
<v Speaker 3>and Eve. Who else is on the earth for him

568
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 3>to go join up with. I even think it says

569
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.800
<v Speaker 3>in one version he went to find cities or a city.

570
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<v Speaker 3>So I guess I think Heidi told me the other

571
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 3>day that people were calling that the Genesis six people.

572
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 3>So when you add to the six day six people, yeah, yeah,

573
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 3>so that's another thing. It's like when you look at that,

574
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<v Speaker 3>clearly he went and met up with some group of

575
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 3>something to procreate with. So that shows you right there

576
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:41.159
<v Speaker 3>that there's more to the story than you're being told

577
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.719
<v Speaker 3>at face value. You have to read between the lines.

578
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 3>You have to you have to leave some room for

579
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 3>this story to kind of breathe.

580
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Yeah, the truth is in the margins.

581
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I found that. Verse two in job about Rahab,

582
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<v Speaker 3>it says the establishment of the heavens are pulverized and

583
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 3>stunned at God's rebuke. With his power, he quiets the

584
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 3>roaring and by his wisdom he shatters Rehab. And it

585
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 3>says the heavens are pulverizing, stunned. That sounds like something

586
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 3>like that explosion was involved.

587
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And it goes back to the calming

588
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of the water, you know. It says that the calming

589
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>there the sea. That's what happens at the beginning in Genesis.

590
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>It says, when the spirit of God hovered over the

591
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>deep the to home Tiamat. And then you have it

592
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 2>again with Jesus when they're on the boat the storm

593
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 2>comes that you know, they're symbolically in the midst of

594
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>chaos and this huge storm starts raging and he gets

595
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 2>up and you know it's once again symbolically placing Mardock

596
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 2>under his feet because Mardak had to have this all

597
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>these special weapons, had to do all this great bad all,

598
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 2>and you know it was it was not an easy

599
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>ordeal or task. But it's like, you know, Jesus and

600
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the Holy Spirit at creation just steps out and puts

601
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>their hand out just like a like a dog down boy,

602
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, and conquers and subdues chaos. Yeah.

603
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, incredible. This, I mean, this is the kind of

604
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff that gets me excited about spirituality. Now, I'll just

605
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 3>put it under that blanket term of spirituality, because, like

606
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 3>I said, I used to not really care. Things just

607
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't make sense. I used to think that people believed

608
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 3>the Bible just for the sake of believing the Bible,

609
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 3>just so they had something to kind of latch onto,

610
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 3>and that they were kind of I thought that people

611
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>were like kind of self propelling their beliefs forward just

612
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 3>because they.

613
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Raised Yeah, because it was a religion they were born into.

614
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, social nurture, nature, all that stuff. But now

615
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 3>that I see that there's answers in this book that

616
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:13.320
<v Speaker 3>explain this reality that we're in. They don't tell you

617
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 3>every little thing, but there are answers in this book

618
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 3>that explain things and make things make way more sense.

619
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 3>And now I get it. Now I understand why why

620
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 3>I call myself a Christian at the end.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the day.

622
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And not everybody is into seeking and finding all

623
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>these breadcrumb trails and finding these you know, people like us,

624
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 2>we're treasure hunters man. Granted, not everybody's like that's but

625
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the ones that are don't need to be discouraged by

626
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<v Speaker 2>those who don't want to seek out these this higher

627
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 2>knowledge and these things that are foundation stones for the faith.

628
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 2>And I find that a lot of people try to

629
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 2>discourage them and be like a bookie and all that

630
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff you're talking about. It's it's useless. It's a waste

631
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 2>of time. The only thing that matters is Christ, and

632
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you're wasting your time. And it's like, man, most of

633
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>the people that are in this movement are in one

634
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>of two camps. Either they're already saved and have that

635
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 2>foundation in Christ, but they're treasure hunters man, that they

636
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 2>want to find as much as they can because that

637
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 2>gives them a thrill, that draws them closer something they

638
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 2>can see, feel and touch and taste of their faith

639
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 2>instead of just blind faith and any other camp are

640
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>the seekers, the ones that are not Christians yet, but

641
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>they know there's something out there and they're trying to

642
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>find those proof nuggets so they can make their commitment.

643
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 2>So in both situations is for the glory of the kingdom.

644
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't be discouraging those type of people and digging

645
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 2>into those things. And I can't remember what sum it was,

646
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>but it's one of my favorite ones. It says, you know,

647
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but

648
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 2>it's the glory of kings to search things out.

649
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 3>I love that one. I identify with that verse, I

650
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 3>really do. And you're right, it's it's okay if people

651
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 3>aren't fired up about this stuff in the way that

652
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 3>we are. Not everybody, I guess, is meant to go

653
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.039
<v Speaker 3>this deep into, you know, maybe some of the more

654
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.159
<v Speaker 3>esoteric stuff. For me, it just makes total sense to

655
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.760
<v Speaker 3>dive into this. And I think a lot of it

656
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 3>goes back to like pre roll you mentioned kitting red

657
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 3>peeled and you kind of alluded to your journey and

658
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, and that kind of happened for me

659
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty, and I knew that I was being

660
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 3>lied to and so I had all these thoughts going

661
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 3>through my head. But I also was like in a

662
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 3>weird place where I'm like, why am I? Why am

663
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:48.360
<v Speaker 3>I here?

664
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Why?

665
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, what's the point of this? And I really

666
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:56.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of made up my mind that I was going

667
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.199
<v Speaker 3>to start looking for answers for once and for all

668
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>in my life. I was going to start looking into

669
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 3>why is there a God? Even though I was a Christian,

670
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I was just in that place where I'm like, I

671
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 3>need to know more definitively that there is a God

672
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 3>and everything else that follows that. And when I decided

673
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 3>that I was going to kind of start really buckling

674
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 3>down and looking for answers, that's when all this stuff

675
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 3>started coming up to my doorstep, this supernatural worldview, the

676
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 3>Seed War of Genesis three point fifteen, the Washers in

677
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 3>the f film of Genesis six. Then then I got

678
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 3>some ACKed in the face with the Book of Enoch.

679
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 3>I went back and read that and I was like, oh,

680
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 3>this is what I was looking for, yep. And it's

681
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 3>like it just kind of once I made up my

682
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 3>mind that I wanted to know more, that's when I

683
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 3>got more.

684
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, once you start seeking, you know, that's

685
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 2>what it says, you know, knocking, the doors shall be

686
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>opened to ask, and it will be given to you.

687
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Seek and you shall find. And it's amazing because I

688
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 2>talk about you know, I call all these little hidden

689
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.599
<v Speaker 2>things that I find. Y'all refer to them as gold nuggets.

690
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a treasure hunt or they're puzzle pieces. And yeah,

691
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 2>the people that are just you know, don't get excited

692
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>to go on these treasure hunts. Don't have to know

693
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff. They're missing some puzzle pieces, but

694
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it still doesn't mean that they can't see the entire picture.

695
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>They can see the picture. They know what it is.

696
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 2>It's salvation. God made that so simple and so easy

697
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 2>that even a child can understand it. But there's a

698
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>few of us that's just like, man, there's four or

699
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>five pieces missing here. Yeah, I know what it is,

700
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>but it's killing me. I got to find those other pieces.

701
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 2>And then when you read the Book of Enoch and

702
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Jasher and you believe and start getting into the historical

703
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>contexts in the minds of the people that this ancient

704
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>text to ancient text was written by and written to,

705
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you find those pieces, and like I said, you might

706
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 2>have a full overall picture of what this is. But

707
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 2>then like the Last Supper, for instance, Leonardo DaVinci, Yeah,

708
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>you know this is the lost the Last Supper boom,

709
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 2>there's Jesus in the center and the twelve Apostles, but

710
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 2>you might be missing that piece next to Judas's elbow.

711
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And then you find that and you plug that in

712
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, it's not changed though overall picture is

713
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the same. But man, now I see that spilt jar

714
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>of salt beside Judas's arm, and Leonardo da Vinceu was

715
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>signaling to everyone that Judas was a covenant breaker, because

716
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 2>people at that time made salt covenants. And yeah, that's

717
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 2>something that if you didn't have that puscle piece it,

718
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, it wouldn't that big a deal. But for

719
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 2>those of us that find that and put that in there,

720
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Speaker 2>it makes that so much stronger. And that's just how

721
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I like to look at it. I love that.

722
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 3>I've never even heard that before. Wow, And I know,

723
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 3>but I know that he did that. I know da

724
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Vinci was like that. He was encoding meaning and and

725
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 3>uh just codes essentially into his artwork. I mean, even

726
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 3>in that the Truvian Man, he had a scaled down

727
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 3>version of the pyramids in this in the geometry of

728
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>that the Druvian man drawing he was for I guess

729
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 3>that that was maybe a nod towards ancient technology or

730
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 3>something like that. But he, for whatever reason he put

731
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 3>that in there. His stuff is full of those little

732
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 3>gold nuggets to use your uh, your term there. And man,

733
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.159
<v Speaker 3>I knew we were gonna have a I knew we

734
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.320
<v Speaker 3>were gonna have like a cool conversation a day, Like

735
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 3>even last night I went to bed thinking just kind

736
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:52.079
<v Speaker 3>of it was on my mind. I was going to

737
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 3>have this interview today. And I had the weirdest dreams.

738
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 3>I had a dream where I was chasing around a

739
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 3>giant snake with a sword. Very realistic dream too. It

740
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 3>sounds crazy to say it, you know, but like this

741
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 3>snake would would make eye contact with me and it

742
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 3>was huge. It could have taken me. And it's like

743
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 3>every time the snake saw the resolve in my eyes

744
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 3>for me to kill it, it would be it would

745
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 3>run away from it. It was crazy. And then and

746
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 3>then at one point, like I woke up and like

747
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I just had this word in my head. I heard,

748
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 3>like nefloflo methyl I woke up this more like what

749
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 3>was going on with these dreams? I'm like, oh, yeah,

750
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 3>I've got this interview today, So I don't know why

751
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm adding that into this episode, but I think this

752
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 3>stuff can get under your skin a little bit. And

753
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I think I think we're on the

754
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 3>same page. Two about Esau. I do want to bring

755
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 3>that up because I think you've got a book in

756
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 3>the works on and yeah, yeah, I just you know,

757
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I think we're on the same page because I heard

758
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 3>you on I think it was unfiltered Rise. It may

759
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 3>have been another podcast. But when you got to that

760
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.440
<v Speaker 3>part about the birth of Esau and Jacob and Esau

761
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 3>coming out with the Harry cloak, when I was like,

762
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I totally agree with this guy. Because earlier this year,

763
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 3>as I'm reading through the Bible, when I came to

764
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.360
<v Speaker 3>that verse, I stopped and I went and I found

765
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 3>every translation I could find. I read through at least

766
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 3>twenty different translations of that verse because I'm like, what

767
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 3>is happening here? Why is he? Is he Harry or

768
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 3>were his arms? Some pastors will say, oh, he just

769
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 3>had Harry arms and Harry legs. But after I got

770
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 3>through about twenty different translations. What I walked away with

771
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 3>was the sense that this was this Eastau was covered

772
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 3>in hair like a little sasquatch, like you said, and that's, oh, yeah,

773
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 3>that just kind of you know, I'll let you go

774
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 3>more into that, but that is just that opens up

775
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 3>so many doors of Okay, what's happening here? And back

776
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 3>to my dream and like having this serpents in my dream,

777
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 3>does does this tie into this nephelum serpent seed somehow?

778
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And I think so too. And this book I

779
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.639
<v Speaker 2>finished it. I'm in the middle of format that now

780
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to get it out. But it was a journey. It

781
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>was just I stumbled across that verse and I was like,

782
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 2>he was covered in hair from head to toe, like

783
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 2>a hairy cloak. And I was like that, in our

784
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>modern vernacular, if we saw this guy out in the woods,

785
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>we would, without hesitation, say that I seen a sasquatch,

786
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a big foot. And he's the only person

787
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible that's described this way, So it was

788
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>he was a special person, and the ancient reader reading

789
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 2>that would have definitely picked up on that. It wouldn't

790
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 2>have been lost to them. And then as I started

791
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 2>just going through I started going through the Book of Jashuer,

792
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 2>and ju believes in the Midrash and the targums, and

793
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>you know some of those are they divine inspired? No,

794
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them are referenced in your sixty

795
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.840
<v Speaker 2>six book Cannon. So that showed you the writers read

796
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.119
<v Speaker 2>it and you know, believed it, or in the very

797
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 2>least was familiar with it. It was a part of

798
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 2>their culture. You know, I tell people a thousand years

799
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>from now, if somebody wrote the History of America and

800
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 2>we get wiped out by some cataclysm and they find

801
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.519
<v Speaker 2>this history of America, but then they find a couple

802
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>sports illustrated magazines or cosmopolitan magazines. Are those our quote

803
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 2>unquote history books. No, but you're going to learn a

804
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 2>hell of a whole lot about our culture, what we thought,

805
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>what we believed, and what we are up to by

806
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 2>reading those. And that's how I see a lot of

807
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.760
<v Speaker 2>these extra biblical books. It doesn't have to be divine

808
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>inspired to be important for historical context. And those were

809
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>all just puzzle pieces, and I just kept putting those

810
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 2>pieces to the side, putting it to the side, until

811
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 2>finally I had this complete picture of this, you know,

812
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 2>enigmatic character named Esau. And what is so wild about

813
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is this has spread out between you know, all kinds

814
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.880
<v Speaker 2>of different writings in different people, but they weave in

815
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.519
<v Speaker 2>and out of each other like a perfect garment, and

816
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 2>tell this very complete story of this guy, and you

817
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 2>get the whole surpent Seed in which that's a red

818
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>flag to a lot of people, but that tied in

819
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 2>and to me it answered so many other questions. And

820
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 2>once again, this is one of those theories that it

821
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>does nothing to the doctrine of faith. It's not heresy

822
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 2>if you're right or wrong. But some people get pretty

823
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>bent out of shape over this because the establishment scholars

824
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and stuff laugh at it and say that, you know,

825
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 2>it's not true, it can't be real, a terracey And

826
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:41.079
<v Speaker 2>there's also been racist organizations take this idea and this

827
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>doctrine and pervert it and manipulate it to their own

828
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 2>justification of genocide and racial hatred. So, you know, the

829
00:50:52.840 --> 00:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>idea is that Cain was of the serpent Seed and

830
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the klu klux Klan, Adolf Hitler, some of these organizations

831
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and powerful people that wanted the mass genocide of entire

832
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>populations grabbed onto this doctrine and used it as their

833
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>proof text and said, ah, we see there's a serpent seed.

834
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>So they're born evil, they're born with the destiny to

835
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>go to hell, and they're born to throw us off

836
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 2>course and destroy humanity. So therefore they're not human. We

837
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 2>can just kill them all. And that's not what I'm

838
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 2>advocating for here. I think that there's some good sound

839
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>points to be made from this serpent seed doctrine that

840
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 2>ties a lot of loose ends and answers a lot

841
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>of ambiguous questions in the text if it hands out

842
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 2>to be true. So it's like, just because someone bad

843
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.039
<v Speaker 2>takes a hold of an idea and twists it to

844
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>their own wicked ends, doesn't make the idea bad, it

845
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:13.199
<v Speaker 2>makes the application and perversion of that idea bad.

846
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also too, I don't know that Hitler was

847
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 3>going was taking his version of a serpent seed from

848
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:24.480
<v Speaker 3>the Biblical text.

849
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 2>You know.

850
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 3>I know that they were into a lot of different

851
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:33.599
<v Speaker 3>ancient books that kind of went into different origins of man,

852
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 3>most of them centered around the North somewhere, like the

853
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 3>ancient civilization of Hyperborea.

854
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 2>They they had a.

855
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Some sort of an Atlantean civilization that existed two hundred

856
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 3>thousand years ago. This is these this is their dating

857
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 3>that sunk into the ocean, and those people got out

858
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 3>of there and they spread to Europe and they went

859
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 3>to Iran, and they thought some of them went to

860
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Tibet as well. So the Nazis were taking all this

861
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 3>other mythology from these other I guess you could say,

862
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 3>more secular books, and they were just kind of amalgamating,

863
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 3>amalgamating for sure. They were taking little bits and pieces

864
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.719
<v Speaker 3>from here and from there, and they're putting them all

865
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 3>together and they're building up this this fantasy origin story.

866
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.280
<v Speaker 3>And I have come across them doing that, like they

867
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.679
<v Speaker 3>were always doing that, and they were into some really

868
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 3>wild I would call them old occult manuscripts to get

869
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 3>some of this, to get these ideas. So that doesn't

870
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 3>surprise me that they would they would latch onto the

871
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 3>serpent seed, and.

872
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 2>As laterans really did because later on, you know, the

873
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Arians that come here to the United States that were

874
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 2>more familiar with the Bible, when they heard about this doctrine,

875
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 2>it was like you said, it was another piece of

876
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>the puzzle or another one they could grab as a

877
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.760
<v Speaker 2>proof text and be like, yeah, those Jews they're the

878
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 2>evil ones because here you have these two seeds, and

879
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the Jews screwed Esau and came the rightful eldest brothers

880
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 2>in error and stole all the blessings and birthrights. They're

881
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the evil ones. Kill all the Jews.

882
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

883
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 2>See anything that they could grab onto that would that

884
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.199
<v Speaker 2>they could twist or pervert a little bit to justify

885
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 2>their cause. Doesn't mean they're a Christian. It's just that's

886
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 2>just something that they can use to show their right

887
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and they don't necessarily have to align with it, you.

888
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I think too. And

889
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to go super deep into this right now,

890
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:56.320
<v Speaker 3>but something I found recently is you've got this story

891
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 3>of Jacob and Esau. Jacob later in life, his name

892
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 3>actually becomes Israel. His descendants are the first Israelites. Esaw,

893
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 3>his brother becomes edom his descendants are the first Edomites.

894
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 3>And I can show you this later, but there's a

895
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.559
<v Speaker 3>strong case to be made that the German people come

896
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 3>from the from the Edomites. There's a there's an old

897
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.880
<v Speaker 3>group that the Nazis were kind of tracing their bloodlines,

898
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 3>who called Germania out of northern Germany and there's a

899
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 3>lot of ties to Edomites there, and of course Israelites

900
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 3>are the Jews, so this is a blood feud that

901
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 3>goes back to the Bible. At World War two in

902
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen forties, it's very possible that you had a

903
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 3>revival of this blood feud where you have the descendants

904
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 3>of the Edomites going after the Israelites one last time

905
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:00.400
<v Speaker 3>the wipe them out.

906
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:05.280
<v Speaker 2>And also too, like historically speaking, I found when I

907
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:12.719
<v Speaker 2>was doing all this research that Edomites was like an

908
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 2>epithet or an allegory for anyone that was a adversary

909
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Speaker 2>to God's people. They called the Romans Edomites several times,

910
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 2>so it's like anybody that was a thorn in their

911
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>side or an adversary. It was kind of like a

912
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 2>catch all epithet term that they would throw at people.

913
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 2>All there are adversaries, they're Edomites. And when I got

914
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to looking through that, when I seen the birth of Esau,

915
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.159
<v Speaker 2>not only was you know, he covered in hair from

916
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 2>head to toe like a Harry cloak. That was weird. Yeah,

917
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>And then it says that when they they were born

918
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that Jacob had a hold of Esau's hell and memediately,

919
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like Genesis three point fifteen. And when you

920
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and as the seed war verse, and when you go there,

921
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it says, I will put enmity between your seed the

922
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>woman or the serpent sorry, and thy seed the woman.

923
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>So there it said plainly she would have a seed,

924
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>he would have a seed, and they would be at

925
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 2>enmity with one another. And it said your seed shall

926
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 2>bruise thy seed's head, but your seed will bruise the

927
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>other's heel. So you got a bruising of a head

928
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and a bruising of a heel. And when you look

929
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:51.440
<v Speaker 2>at the birth, I think that if in fact Esau

930
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 2>was a serpent seed, Satan stuck his hand in basically

931
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 2>the womb and try to flip it around to pervert

932
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 2>this prophecy on its head, because that's what Satan does.

933
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 2>He perverts things and flips them upside down. And there

934
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you have Esau's head, I'm sorry, Esau's foot pressing on

935
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Jacob's head, bruising the head, and then Jacob's hand grasping

936
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Esau's heel and bruising the heel. It's a perfect picture

937
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>of Genesis three fifteen.

938
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 3>There's a reason why they use that word enmity.

939
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 4>For sure.

940
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they could have used strife for any other conflict word,

941
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 3>but they chose to use that word enmity.

942
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.400
<v Speaker 2>And then when you look into Flavus Josephus, the Jewish historian,

943
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 2>he was a well educated man. He knew that he

944
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>was writing these histories of the people and that it

945
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.800
<v Speaker 2>would be preserved and important, and he was a well

946
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 2>educated man. I think he chose his words very intentionally

947
00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and with a lot of thought and contemplation. And when

948
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 2>he describes the conflict between those two brothers, he uses

949
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the word enmity. So not only do you have a

950
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 2>visual picture of Genesis three point fifteen in that cursing

951
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 2>with this birth, you also have a verbal affirmation from

952
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the Jewish historian. And I even said in the book

953
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 2>whether it is physically real, like if Esau truly was

954
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a serpent seed, or just the people of that time

955
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.360
<v Speaker 2>painted him in that light and or believed him to be,

956
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those two.

957
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So it seems to me that with those two,

958
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 3>with Jacob and Esau, of course they come to represent

959
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.000
<v Speaker 3>these two nations of people here and and for some reason,

960
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 3>of course, Esau looks very different. He's not very human

961
00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:00.119
<v Speaker 3>like so I'm very curious about what that was really

962
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 3>all about that because there seems to be like a

963
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.480
<v Speaker 3>purposeful dichotomy here. It seems like something more is happening here.

964
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.599
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that God is letting this is maybe

965
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 3>out there, but do you think that God is like

966
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 3>letting Nakash have his own kingdom of people? So he

967
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 3>would I don't know, stop trying to tamper with everyone

968
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 3>else's DNA or something like that.

969
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.960
<v Speaker 2>See with that, I think it's like because even in scripture,

970
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it says that Jacob I loved, but Esau

971
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I hated. You know, God is a god of love,

972
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and he loves all of his children, all his creation.

973
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's like when I read that, especially with all

974
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that I researched and learned, I was like,

975
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 2>that probably answers why God hated Esau because he wasn't

976
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.039
<v Speaker 2>as they said. You know, when Noah was preserved through

977
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the flood, it says that he was the only him

978
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and his family were the only righteous ones left. When

979
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.599
<v Speaker 2>you go to the Hebrew, it says to me, him

980
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and his family were the only ones that were to me.

981
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And that word in Hebrew always refers to the purity

982
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.880
<v Speaker 2>of the blood of the sacrificial animals. So it's saying

983
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:30.280
<v Speaker 2>that he had pure blood, and so it was kind

984
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, it says that Satan is the

985
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:37.760
<v Speaker 2>ruler of this world. Even when Satan appears to Jesus

986
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:41.679
<v Speaker 2>and his wilderness wanderings and tempts him, you know, he

987
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.440
<v Speaker 2>tells him, bow the knee. All you got to do

988
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.840
<v Speaker 2>is bow and serve me and worship me, and I'll

989
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 2>give you all the nations of the world, because they

990
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 2>are mine to give to whom I please. And that's

991
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.639
<v Speaker 2>what Paul was talking about when he said we traded

992
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the truth for a lie. We worshiped the created things

993
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:08.719
<v Speaker 2>instead of the Creator. We traded our dominion away to Satan.

994
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.440
<v Speaker 3>And with Noah too. It also says he was pure

995
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.559
<v Speaker 3>in his genealogy. I think that's the word it uses,

996
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 3>And to me, that always makes me think that that's

997
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:26.880
<v Speaker 3>a reference to him being pure genetically possibly, so that.

998
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's kind of saved.

999
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's kind of why I was like throwing DNA

1000
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 3>into this, because I wonder if there's like with Kin,

1001
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:41.800
<v Speaker 3>with Esau and with the Nephilim, if there's a very

1002
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 3>clear difference of DNA with those three I do.

1003
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I think so. But here's where I differ with people,

1004
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's something I'm not really explained well in some

1005
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of these interviews, because I've had people hit me up

1006
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 2>on social media or email because they're like, well, if

1007
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:07.840
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying is right, then the racist view, you're

1008
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:13.280
<v Speaker 2>confirming it because if someone you know you can't control

1009
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:18.000
<v Speaker 2>who your parents are, what if you have nephluin DNA

1010
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:23.280
<v Speaker 2>or serpencyed DNA in your blood and your blood you're

1011
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 2>automatically doomed to hell. And I was like, no, that's

1012
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.159
<v Speaker 2>where I differ because I think that's where the perversion happened.

1013
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:40.920
<v Speaker 2>God gives free will to all, and even Cain. If

1014
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Kin is not a serpent seed, then this entire theory

1015
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:50.519
<v Speaker 2>is dead on arrival. That's where it all starts. And

1016
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.840
<v Speaker 2>if you notice in that story, when Cain starts getting

1017
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 2>bitter and looking at his brother's favor with hatred and envy,

1018
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:09.800
<v Speaker 2>what happens. God comes down and reasons with Cain. He says,

1019
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, Cain, why are you upset? If you do

1020
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.719
<v Speaker 2>not do well? Will you not succeed? And then he

1021
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:23.440
<v Speaker 2>even says, and I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically says,

1022
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:31.199
<v Speaker 2>these emotions that you're going through, you must grab hold

1023
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 2>of them and rule over them. So he sees his

1024
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.559
<v Speaker 2>conflict and God's trying to reason with him and talk

1025
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 2>some sins into him. But the choice is ultimately Cain's.

1026
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 2>If he was a damned seed or person right from

1027
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the creation, there would have been no point in God

1028
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.000
<v Speaker 2>coming and talking to him and reason with him and

1029
01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:01.000
<v Speaker 2>offering him an alternative choice or life path. So to me,

1030
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that shows plainly that you're not doomed because of your parents.

1031
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:14.679
<v Speaker 2>You have a choice. But granted, I mean, if you

1032
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 2>believe in this theory and you look back far enough,

1033
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean we all probably have at least a spec

1034
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.199
<v Speaker 2>of this gene type, or a large percentage of us do.

1035
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's all on an intent and the heart,

1036
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:35.840
<v Speaker 2>because it even says that nothing that you put in

1037
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 2>your body can defile it. It's what comes out that

1038
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 2>defiles the man, and your DNA and your genealogies that's

1039
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:48.239
<v Speaker 2>in you, so that can't corrupt you. It's your intentions

1040
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<v Speaker 2>and your choices.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm starting to put all this together slowly.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I thought that the DNA corruption was just an

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01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 3>awful thing. Now I'm thinking, you know, there's these three

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01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 3>three mystery bloodlines, if you could call it that. You've

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01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 3>got Kine Esau and then then the nefol And I'm

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01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.440
<v Speaker 3>wondering if the serpent seed goes beyond nefilim to like

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<v Speaker 3>include these other people like Esau and Kane. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I'm reaching too far with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Or what, but I mean it's a possibility, and you

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01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 2>have to keep that door open and with me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I've just recently kind of come to this

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01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 2>serpent seed stuff. But doctor Joey Pugh, are you familiar

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01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:43.119
<v Speaker 2>with her? Nope, you know she she's uh, I don't

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01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 2>know what she's got her degrees in, but she's got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of degrees. She's an educated woman. She's a

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01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 2>she's from South Georgia. She's a good old country girl

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01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.239
<v Speaker 2>like me. So I think, well, I'm a country boy,

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01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.079
<v Speaker 2>but you know what I mean. But she talks about

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01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:58.519
<v Speaker 2>things and explains things that I can understand them. She

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01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 2>puts them in good old boy language. And she was

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01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 2>talking to me on a show about this whole idea

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01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and how she explained it. It made perfect good old

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01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 2>boy logic, even if I didn't have never read the

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01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 2>script scripture in my entire life, never even heard of

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01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the serpent seed doctrine. The way she told this, it

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01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:25.519
<v Speaker 2>was like all signs point to yes, all my reasoning

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01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 2>points to yes, all my logic points to yes. And

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01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 2>she was talking about this event. She said, I was

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01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.559
<v Speaker 2>raised and taught that there was this apple. They bit

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01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 2>into this apple, and you know, and they become consciously aware,

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01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and they rebelled and they fell. She said, Then I

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01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:47.760
<v Speaker 2>got older and got to read, and she said, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no apple in the story. She says, like, where's

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01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 2>the apple? And she said, but it does say that

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01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Adam and Eve partook of the tree of knowledge of

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01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.360
<v Speaker 2>good and evil. And she named all these different verses

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01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:11.119
<v Speaker 2>where heavenly beings are compared to trees, the cedars of

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01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Lebanon and all this other stuff. And she said the

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01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew word for eats, And she said, the word. When

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01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you go into like logos, Bible software, or one of

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01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.680
<v Speaker 2>these inner linears and highlight that word in search, it

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01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.279
<v Speaker 2>gives you all the different times that was in the

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01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:37.359
<v Speaker 2>scripture and what it was translated to in English. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of those translations. That's quite often is enjoys. So

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01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:46.119
<v Speaker 2>it says if you look at it in that context

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<v Speaker 2>and put that in there, Eve partook of the tree

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01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:54.760
<v Speaker 2>of good knowledge, and she enjoyed. Then she went to

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01:08:54.840 --> 01:09:02.640
<v Speaker 2>her husband and he too enjoyed. And she said, this

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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:04.960
<v Speaker 2>was old testament. It was eye for an eye, tooth

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01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:10.000
<v Speaker 2>for a tooth. She said, the cursing always correlated mirrored

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01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:15.960
<v Speaker 2>image of the crime. And she said, and a good

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01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 2>example is she said. My mother was very strict and

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01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:24.760
<v Speaker 2>said that we couldn't have any sweets before supper. She said,

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01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Me and my sister knew that. She said, but she

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01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 2>kept a cookie jar bove refrigerator and said one day

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01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:32.920
<v Speaker 2>she was preparing supper and she went into the living

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01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 2>room for something, and me and my sister thought we

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01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:36.720
<v Speaker 2>could jump up there and grab a cookie and eat

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01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:41.079
<v Speaker 2>it really fast without her knowing, and said that. Sure enough,

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01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.319
<v Speaker 2>she walked in and caught us in the middle of

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01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.239
<v Speaker 2>eating them. She said, you know what we did justin,

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01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 2>she said. The first thing we did, we covered our mouth.

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01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.239
<v Speaker 2>She said, because that's where the sin was, that's where

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01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.439
<v Speaker 2>we transgressed. And she said, and Adam and Eve, as

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01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:06.640
<v Speaker 2>soon as they enjoy this tree, they covered their private parts,

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01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and then she says, then look at the cursing. She said,

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01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 2>if the sin was eating, he could have cursed them

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01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:23.399
<v Speaker 2>with rotten teeth, a toothache, stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea, something

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01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:29.880
<v Speaker 2>that correlated with eating, she said. But not one, not two,

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01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.760
<v Speaker 2>she said. Every part of the curse had to do

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01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 2>with the result of a sexual action. She said, cursed

1112
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:46.399
<v Speaker 2>with labor and childbirth, curse with painful periods and minstrel cramps.

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01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And then you get a cursing of not just her seed,

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01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 2>a cursing of the serpent's seed also, And then the

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01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew word you used, that Eve was beguiled once again.

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01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.039
<v Speaker 2>If you look through Logo's Bible software or one of

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01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:11.520
<v Speaker 2>these inner linears, that word is used often with a

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01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.359
<v Speaker 2>sexual connotation to it. And Caine's name even means in

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01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew means acquired. And the one verse, there's only one

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01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:23.920
<v Speaker 2>verse that the people that laugh at this doctrine and

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01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:28.199
<v Speaker 2>put it away, they only have one verse, and it's

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01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:31.039
<v Speaker 2>the one where it says and Adam knew his wife,

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01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:36.479
<v Speaker 2>and she bore Cain. And then it says and then

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01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:44.640
<v Speaker 2>again she bore Abel. It doesn't say, conceived, bore means deliver.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like if she partook of the tree of

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01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the Nakash and got pregnant. It makes perfect sense why

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01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:02.279
<v Speaker 2>God said I'm gonna putity between your seed and your seed,

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01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 2>because Adam's gonna impregnate you and you're going to have

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01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 2>two different seeds here, and then you have that whole

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<v Speaker 2>mirrored image of Genesis three point fifteen at the birth

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01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of Esau. Again, it makes I mean to me, it

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01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.479
<v Speaker 2>makes total sense, and it answers so many questions because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people want to point to the netphile

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<v Speaker 2>and say, oh, that's the serpent seed, that's the devil seed.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't an apple. That makes sense to me. Also,

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01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Naikash not being a serpent to begin with makes sense

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01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:38.600
<v Speaker 3>to me. I don't think that this was a snake

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01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 3>that talked to her. I think I think we're on

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01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:46.880
<v Speaker 3>the same page with this. Nikosh has that meaning that

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<v Speaker 3>if maybe it's Hebrew it says the shining one.

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01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the shining one or the one who practices divination.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it kind of this may have been a

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01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 3>humanoid that was talking to her, something with the form

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01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.800
<v Speaker 3>of a man, right, or.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of angels were depicted as humans. They eat,

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01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 2>they drink, they sleep, and you know, the New Testament says,

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01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't turn away strangers and be nice to

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01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 2>everyone because you may be entertaining angels unaware. Yes, and

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01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.359
<v Speaker 2>even when you get to his equal twenty eight. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's another thing I touched on in the book is

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<v Speaker 2>that the garments from the Garden of Eden, because this

1152
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:33.479
<v Speaker 2>is a very key piece to this story. In this puzzle,

1153
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, the consensus majority, you know, Majoritaly is that

1154
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:42.079
<v Speaker 2>this was Satan. It starts off as a condemnation to

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01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the King of Tire, but then the wording changes. He's

1156
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.920
<v Speaker 2>no longer talking to a human because he says, you know,

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01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you were perfect in all your ways. You were an

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01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.479
<v Speaker 2>anointed guardian chair of you. You were in the garden

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01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:57.399
<v Speaker 2>of God. I said, every precious stone was your covering.

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01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:01.119
<v Speaker 2>And the names, you know, barrel ONYX, diamonds, sapphire, jasper

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01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:06.520
<v Speaker 2>set in gold was the enlays and they were perfect

1162
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 2>made for you on the day you were created. And

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01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.760
<v Speaker 2>then it goes so it's describing this priestly epought. Then

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01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.439
<v Speaker 2>it goes on and says, and you profaned your sanctuaries.

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01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So not only does he have a priestly ephought on,

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01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:25.079
<v Speaker 2>he has a sanctuary because it says he profaned it.

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<v Speaker 2>The description of this entsity fits his name. If he,

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01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, if he had on this multicolored stone and

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01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 2>bright colored fabric e FOD with gold inlays and diamonds

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01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.359
<v Speaker 2>and rubies and all this stuff, it fits his name,

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01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.279
<v Speaker 2>he would definitely be shining.

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<v Speaker 4>for some reason, this episode was just a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>too long for my new podcast host Provider. I did

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<v Speaker 4>the elongated.

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<v Speaker 6>Scales with the Cult of Conspiracy and it was two

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<v Speaker 6>hours and twenty minutes, and it was fine, this one

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<v Speaker 6>was two and a half hours and it was too big,

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<v Speaker 6>so I had.

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<v Speaker 2>To bust it up into two episodes. So I busted

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<v Speaker 2>it up into an hour and fifteen minutes each roughly,

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<v Speaker 2>but I posted them both at the same time. I

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<v Speaker 2>am sorry for the inconvenience, but you can now go

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<v Speaker 2>straight from this episode to the second half of this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry, guys, this is the best that I

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<v Speaker 2>could do, but it is what it is. But sorry

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<v Speaker 2>for the inconvenience, but you can now go to the

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<v Speaker 2>second half of this conversation and pick up where we

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<v Speaker 2>left off towards just Hi, guys. Was the instand mhm