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<v Speaker 1>Why did dog my debate stop? Why did it slow

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<v Speaker 1>it down?

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<v Speaker 2>I just got really really busy with stand up comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>with acting, with doing all parts of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was the booker, the camera guy, the lighting guy,

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<v Speaker 2>setting up all the mics. There was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work to even just make it. You get to the

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<v Speaker 2>point to where we could start having the debate, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I had to be on point and correct for

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<v Speaker 2>the debate, and then the editing and production and post

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<v Speaker 2>production and then the uploading, and it's hours and hours

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<v Speaker 2>and hours of work, on top of getting asked to

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<v Speaker 2>come to stand up comedy all over the country. It's

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<v Speaker 2>much better to be able to to to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a comedy club and to bring joy to people by

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<v Speaker 2>the hundreds than it is to sit and have a

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<v Speaker 2>physically and mentally exhausting conversation for four hours with one

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<v Speaker 2>person who somehow wants to justify why slavery is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent so much of my time in studio teaching

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<v Speaker 2>the other person how to have a discussion. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that sounds arrogant and pompous, but it's the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say my part, and then their response the

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<v Speaker 2>first sentence out of their mouth would be a straw

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<v Speaker 2>man fallacy, and I'd go, why hold on, I can't, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I let you talk. I didn't spew out fallacy after fallacy.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to we have They don't even understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what a straw man is. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what an equivocation is. They don't get it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I have to not only be in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be the referee for the game and

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<v Speaker 2>the judge for the game. And I'm also live producing,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking what's going to be good content for the listener.

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<v Speaker 2>If I just cut him off and said, you're fucking moron,

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<v Speaker 2>you believe in Santa Claus for grown ups, it might

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<v Speaker 2>make you feel good. But the episode it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be four minutes long. They're never coming back, and Christians

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<v Speaker 2>are never going to come on the show again because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to be talked to like that. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you want, then the show you want is

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<v Speaker 2>an egotistical cable access show where a guy with a

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<v Speaker 2>giant ego just wants to beat up on people that

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<v Speaker 2>he's smarter than, doesn't want to have real conversations and

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<v Speaker 2>debates about real issues, but just wants to beat up

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<v Speaker 2>on people, call them names, call them idiots, and then

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<v Speaker 2>hang up on them to boost his self esteem. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess essentially a bully that doesn't want to fight a

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<v Speaker 2>real person, but once to fight someone that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they know they can beat. And so that's a different show.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody's already doing that show, and so I didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 2>I found myself becoming angry, irritated, exhausted with people sitting

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<v Speaker 2>across from me for hours at a time justifying the

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<v Speaker 2>mistreatment of women, child abuse, rape, Anything that God does

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<v Speaker 2>is immediately good because God did it, no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>horrific it is. It's the same conversation over and over,

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<v Speaker 2>and the conversation was exhausting, and so I was spending

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<v Speaker 2>all this time just to say the same thing to

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<v Speaker 2>a different face, teach a new person what a fallacy was,

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<v Speaker 2>teach them why their arguments were invalid. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like Groundhog Day for fourteen to fifteen years

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<v Speaker 2>of them just Christian Africa, and then they would hear

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<v Speaker 2>that episode and then they would email, Oh, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make you your need of Jesus. You just wait

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<v Speaker 2>till I get in studio, and then they would come

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<v Speaker 2>in and I would say, oh, I think atheists are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, humanists are very good people, So all Christians

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<v Speaker 2>are terrible? Okay, So that's a straw man fallacy. A

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<v Speaker 2>what a straw man fallacy? Now I'm teaching you why

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<v Speaker 2>you're arguing like, and that makes me so irritated, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you're not. Most of these people that would come in

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<v Speaker 2>studio are simply not equipped to have the conversation. They

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<v Speaker 2>have all the beliefs and feelings in the world without

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<v Speaker 2>anything substantial to back it up, and so that got exhausting.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the fuck would I do that? Why would I

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<v Speaker 2>spend my time doing that? When I have comedy clubs

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<v Speaker 2>all over the country inviting me to go perform forty

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes to an hour of stand up comedy for

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<v Speaker 2>a room full of people and bring them joy? Why

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<v Speaker 2>would I spend my time doing that? And then it

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<v Speaker 2>became harder and harder to get people on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Christians would listen to another Christian on the show and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I don't want to talk to that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to talk to David. I had people

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<v Speaker 2>come on the show, and then I would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>will you get your friend to come on he's really

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<v Speaker 2>popular right now on TikTok and he'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd wipe the floor with him. I'm not giving you

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<v Speaker 2>his phone number. You know what do I do with that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then came the rise of the TikTok live stream

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<v Speaker 2>where these individual Christians don't have to come on my

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<v Speaker 2>show to have a debate. They could live stream from

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<v Speaker 2>home just on their phone without any of this expensive equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>They could just live stream on their phone and have atheists.

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<v Speaker 2>After atheists come on, they could just cut them off

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<v Speaker 2>whenever they wanted. They can mute them, they could kick

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<v Speaker 2>them out of the room. Meanwhile, they're getting financial gifts

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<v Speaker 2>from Christians that are watching the live stream, had twelve

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<v Speaker 2>people in the room. Doesn't matter if somebody's gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>you five bucks, ten bucks, fifteen bucks. You do this

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of hours, you make two three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in a matter of a couple of hours. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of year right now are going, holy shit, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start that tomorrow. Go for it. But because they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, why would they stop doing that, not

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<v Speaker 2>get paid and come to my studio to lose a debate?

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<v Speaker 2>What are they going to gain from it. Like it

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<v Speaker 2>got to the point near the end where I would

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<v Speaker 2>have to promise them after this conversation, I will give

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<v Speaker 2>you the audio file and you can also go sell it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also go make Could you imagine going on

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<v Speaker 2>the Tonight Show and being like, give me this video

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm also putting it on my YouTube. Calm down,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they own that content that you're on, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>then it came down to, well, we can live stream

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<v Speaker 2>on my channel, then you can record your podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like fine. So it became a lot of that negotiating

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<v Speaker 2>of like, I'm trying to do a podcast, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>set up with a professional producer and Mike's and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're wanting to live stream this on TikTok and

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<v Speaker 2>just kick me off whenever you're done. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>set up and get everything ready, and if you kick

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<v Speaker 2>me off twelve minutes into the conversation, what am I

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do for my podcast? You know? So it

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<v Speaker 2>comes down to the the intricacies of who has control

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<v Speaker 2>over the content and why would they come on. I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose I could do that, you know, I could start

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<v Speaker 2>a TikTok live have Danny record it and just debate

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<v Speaker 2>whoever pops on. Sure, I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are already doing that. I don't see how unique that is,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know whatever, I guess that's one avenue we

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<v Speaker 2>could take. It's certainly an option. But he also end

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<v Speaker 2>up debating for hours and maybe can't even find real content.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, when Michael started hosting, I asked him to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and I think he called me one time

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<v Speaker 2>when he was like, man, I did it for four hours,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I got thirteen minutes worth of real

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<v Speaker 2>conversation that would be good for the show. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just so much trash out there. Anybody with a

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<v Speaker 2>phone could now call themselves a debater and come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Shapiro wouldn't come on the show. He told Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Rubin that there was no benefit to him coming on

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<v Speaker 2>my show, oh, because he's already a bigger fish than me,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was only risking having his ass handed to

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<v Speaker 2>him by a small fish, which would ruin his reputation

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<v Speaker 2>and it would only serve to help my reputation. So

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<v Speaker 2>he listened to the show, said I was good, and

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<v Speaker 2>said no, thanks, I'm not saying he dodged me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying from a pr perspective, He's right, what good is

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<v Speaker 2>it gonna do him to come on the show. If

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<v Speaker 2>he comes on my show and destroys me, which we

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<v Speaker 2>all know wouldn't happen. But if he did, he's just

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<v Speaker 2>beaten up on a little guy. And then if he

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<v Speaker 2>gets beaten up, you know, then he got destroyed by

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<v Speaker 2>a little podcaster. So of course he's gonna avoid that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I found myself in this purgatory, for lack of

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<v Speaker 2>a better term, of being too powerful for the average

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<v Speaker 2>person who wants to have a debate, too intimidating, but

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<v Speaker 2>not a big enough fish to have. You know, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>O'Reilly declined to come on, Laura Ingram declined to come on.

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<v Speaker 2>After listening to the show, of course, they try to

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<v Speaker 2>advertise on my show, and then I would go, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna let I'm not gonna take your money and

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<v Speaker 2>sell your book, but you can come on as a guest.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to push back on your stances, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you can sell your book to my audience if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to, because I want the content of me debating Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>And they originally said, okay, sounds good, let's double check

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<v Speaker 2>with Bill, and then after Bill has reviewed your program

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately his past, and I'm like, that's the pattern, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They don't they don't want to be challenged, They don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to come on the show. They want they they

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<v Speaker 2>are okay with a battle if they are in control

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<v Speaker 2>of the buttons and the final edit. So Bill is

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<v Speaker 2>not afraid of a debate. You just got to go

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<v Speaker 2>on his show to do it so that they can

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<v Speaker 2>create the narrative they want by editing. Laura Ingram is

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<v Speaker 2>the same way. It's it's dishonesty, it's shit journalism, it's

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<v Speaker 2>ego and bravado masquerading his journalism, and it's bullshit. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the less experienced debaters would hear the arguments and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to be you know, smeared and go on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, you know, I could take the Seth

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews route and just start covering atheist friendly content and

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<v Speaker 2>tell stories of deconverted conversions. But Seth already does such

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing job of that, that's already that's already lined

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<v Speaker 2>out on the Thinking Atheist. I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 2>would start replicating what Seth did. My whole thing was

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<v Speaker 2>actually talking with with Christians. And hardcore Republicans that I

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<v Speaker 2>disagreed with, and they stopped wanting to come on. It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just ran its course, I think, and so

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<v Speaker 2>if it came back, it would have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit different. I have some ideas on how to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess we'll get into that later. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>too short of an answer, Danny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a little too short. Next question is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the origin if people don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>But do you remember sort of the seed or the

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration for Dogma Debate when it kind of first started.

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<v Speaker 1>What sparked it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a blog. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>that old blog is still out there. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>to Dogma Debate dot blogspot dot com. It's an it's

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<v Speaker 2>still there. It's so cheesy. But it was my first blog,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I would post about it. I'd post on

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian topic and then Christians would come there and

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<v Speaker 2>argue with me in the blog. They would reply, And really,

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<v Speaker 2>what made me so good at it is because I

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<v Speaker 2>had to respond with the written word. I would make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I was right. I would do the research,

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<v Speaker 2>every single person like it's taken you a while, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>you are so active. Didn't pay me anything. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I had ads on that blog and my ad sense account.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Google ad Sense that was connected to that.

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<v Speaker 2>which is made sense. I was I was writing four Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pull it out when I get home.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got home and the balance was zero, and

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough I had an email from Google saying that

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<v Speaker 2>for my analytics, so I was like, it's you. You

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<v Speaker 2>And immediately my my appeal was denied, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>monetizing again on Google ad Sense, which meant I could

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<v Speaker 2>no longer advertise on YouTube. Even when YouTube started, I

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<v Speaker 2>my YouTube never went anywhere like sixty seven hundred subscribers

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<v Speaker 2>and then just stopped. It's completely unfair. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably worth a lawsuit, and I think some people sued

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<v Speaker 2>Google over that, and I just was not aware of it,

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<v Speaker 2>Wildly inappropriate. I think I heard someone's feelings that was

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<v Speaker 2>high up at Google. I think that they didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that an atheist was making money off of

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<v Speaker 2>Christian advertisers, and a Christian advertiser probably saw the spike

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<v Speaker 2>that it was coming from an atheist website, got upset

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<v Speaker 2>and talked to somebody high up at Google, and they

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<v Speaker 2>they just banned me. They made me the bad guy

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<v Speaker 2>and took all my money away. And so I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't make any money at it, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>respond to these people fast enough. You know, what I

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<v Speaker 1>What's the hardest part of running this kind of work?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I were in the listener's shoes and

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<v Speaker 2>the way home, and I heard somebody bitching about creating content,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like, shut your stupid mouth. You have

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<v Speaker 2>it made. With that said, I used to have that life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was working full time in it. I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving you know, one hour to work every day,

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<v Speaker 2>spending eight to nine hours at work and then driving

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<v Speaker 2>on top of having you know, kids at home and

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<v Speaker 2>a wife and writing a book, trying to do this

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<v Speaker 2>blog slash podcast thing. I was trying to build it

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<v Speaker 2>while I had my full time job. But you just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know until you do it, the amount of like

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<v Speaker 2>the mental toll it'll take on you all the I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just for this, just for this was just me on

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<v Speaker 2>camera and Danny off camera on a microphone. Danny, you

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<v Speaker 2>got here at what time? Nine this morning? And we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't start recording until almost eleven? Yeah, I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>And that's with having a producer, like having having help,

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<v Speaker 2>having my own, my own studio space, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's what a dedicated room that is always just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here waiting for me. It still took hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half or whatever just to get ready. Then we have

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<v Speaker 2>the recording aspect, what we got to come up with

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<v Speaker 2>We come up with the questions, and we have to

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<v Speaker 2>can show you the questions later. Then we actually do

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<v Speaker 2>the talking right where I'm we're filmed. Oh, the lighting

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<v Speaker 2>I actually to get to be the person who's doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>then and then when the cameras go off, then the

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<v Speaker 2>too big, because then the files can't go anywhere, or

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<v Speaker 2>putting it is too large. But if you compress it

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<v Speaker 2>too much, the audio quality is shit, and people start

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<v Speaker 2>saying you don't know how to do your audio. So

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to find that middle ground and then put

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<v Speaker 2>it out. You got to put the ads in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just for one episode, you gotta put a

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<v Speaker 2>version on Patreon. You gotta put a version out for

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<v Speaker 2>the public. When you push it out to the distributor,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to make sure it goes to all the

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<v Speaker 2>places it's supposed to go, the Spotify or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>it used to all just be me. I was literally

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<v Speaker 2>doing every single thing, the video for Patreon, the audio,

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<v Speaker 2>the audio quality, the booking, the guests, setting up the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>And I haven't always just had a dedicated studio. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>the studio was the living room, and I would have

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<v Speaker 2>just it's way more work than you think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What you see is, oh he did a forty five

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<v Speaker 2>I had someone tell me one time. I was at

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<v Speaker 2>a convention and I bitched about how much work it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I just made it. I just vented. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much more work than you realize. Guy was

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<v Speaker 2>a literally like, bro, you work three hours a week,

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<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to slap his fucking face, like I

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<v Speaker 2>was so angry, and I realized this is coming from

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<v Speaker 2>a place of ignorance. You just have no idea in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make that three hours. It probably took thirty

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<v Speaker 2>or forty for that one episode, and you think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>only doing and then you're like, hey, we should do

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<v Speaker 2>two episodes a week. Oh should we should? We just

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<v Speaker 2>replicate me, right, And so now what I'm doing. I've

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<v Speaker 2>hired Danny, I've got my own spot, I do the

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<v Speaker 2>Serious Circus podcast, I do stuff with my daughter, I

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<v Speaker 2>do content with my daughter, and then I've got the

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<v Speaker 2>businesses that we run, which are the production companies behind

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<v Speaker 2>all of the content. And then I'm a stand up

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<v Speaker 2>comedian also touring. So with Danny here it makes it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more likely that I can come back and

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<v Speaker 2>do it. But the hardest part is all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The hardest part is I'm not just an atheist debater.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes so much work on the back end for

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<v Speaker 2>you to even see the debate, and then so much

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<v Speaker 2>more work afterwards for that debate to come to light.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just if everything was done and I also

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<v Speaker 2>had to book the guests and then they would reschedule,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh, I got to pick my kid up from school,

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<v Speaker 2>So thirty minutes I'm in my email, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the guests, and then everything gets shifted back thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got to pick my daughter up from school

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<v Speaker 2>after this, so I'm like, now I got to push back.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all just for that one episode that week,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next week everything starts all over. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's having help helps, of course, but the hardest part

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<v Speaker 2>is being responsible for everything and not having a team

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<v Speaker 2>of people like the Adam Carolla Show or Joe Rogan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Joe Rogan can just walk in and sit

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in that middle ground where you know, I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else into help and then this is the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason I'm willing to do it again is because Danny's here,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the dedicated space. We even have some bookers.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a it's Ben, right, that's that's doing some

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot. It's a lot, and sometimes I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>exhausted from making it happen. When the guest finally gets here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, I don't care, dude, whatever, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just it's not depression, it's just exhaustion. It's just like sure, sure, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Slavery's fine, I know, because God said so, then we

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<v Speaker 2>get to beat him, you know whatever, what's next? You

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<v Speaker 2>know you want to marry a thirteen year old because

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<v Speaker 2>God said, yeah, yeah, whatever. Just can we wrap this up?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I lose my fire because I'm exhausted from all

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<v Speaker 2>the all the production work. So hopefully with Danny here,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't have to do the production work and I

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<v Speaker 2>can still have the fire. That's the hardest part.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some ways that kind of brainstormed that it

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<v Speaker 1>could come back? And you did mention the live streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know we have lots of other formats signed

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<v Speaker 1>up and you can talk a little bit about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've tried to have some help on outsourcing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe reacting to things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so I didn't know this was a For

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<v Speaker 2>the record, I haven't seen these questions. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the order or know what's going on. I'll let Danny

421
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<v Speaker 2>just you know, produce this whole thing. He's great, by

422
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<v Speaker 2>the way. I I think if it came back, you

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<v Speaker 2>would have to be something that I've never seen before,

424
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<v Speaker 2>which is rather than every show that I've ever done.

425
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<v Speaker 2>It's like you show up with what you know. I

426
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<v Speaker 2>show up with what I know, and we battle and

427
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<v Speaker 2>we hope we get on our facts right. I've had

428
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<v Speaker 2>people walking into my studio with just thick like just

429
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<v Speaker 2>the binder and papers on top of the binder, terrified

430
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<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna have something come up and they're gonna

431
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<v Speaker 2>be caught off guard. And I think the way it

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<v Speaker 2>could come back is if still zero bullshit, still zero tolerance,

433
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<v Speaker 2>but maybe before the guest comes on, send them like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they have to check a box to understand, here's

435
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<v Speaker 2>a basic definition of a strongman fallacy, there's a basic

436
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<v Speaker 2>definition of equivocation, and go through a few of the

437
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<v Speaker 2>fallacies so that they understand, like this will be called out,

438
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<v Speaker 2>like don't waste time on the show doing this, and

439
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<v Speaker 2>then the show becomes rather than we'll still call it

440
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<v Speaker 2>dogma debate, but instead of it being a battle, maybe

441
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<v Speaker 2>it's let's research together. The hardcore fourth listener out there

442
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<v Speaker 2>may remember the Palestinian Christian that I had in studio.

443
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<v Speaker 2>It probably is the most underrated episode of my career

444
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<v Speaker 2>in that we're talking looking back and forth and he

445
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<v Speaker 2>just goes I've never heard that. What do you mean?

446
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<v Speaker 2>And it was just on audio, so you can't see

447
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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. But I just turned my laptop around and

448
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<v Speaker 2>I go, this is an article. And then I show

449
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<v Speaker 2>him the article and he's floored and he's like, I'm

450
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed to see that stuff in my country.

451
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<v Speaker 2>And then we read more, and we read more, and

452
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<v Speaker 2>we read more, and literally by the end of the episode,

453
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<v Speaker 2>he was like, I don't think I think I'm not

454
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<v Speaker 2>a Christian anymore. I think I've been fooled. I think

455
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<v Speaker 2>this is bullshit. And I was like blown away that

456
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<v Speaker 2>that actually happened. But the research together is what did it.

457
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<v Speaker 2>The way I've been effective with my mom privately, one

458
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<v Speaker 2>on one is she would send me something and I

459
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<v Speaker 2>would call her and I'd be like, Mom, go to

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<v Speaker 2>this website. Look at this. Do you see that thing.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling you to trust that website. I'm saying,

462
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<v Speaker 2>look at this thing. And then I go, now, let's

463
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<v Speaker 2>go to that court website. Let's go to the court docket.

464
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<v Speaker 2>And you can pull up the PDF of the docket

465
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<v Speaker 2>and scroll down to page twelve. There's the evidence. It's

466
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<v Speaker 2>not snopes dot Com it's not FactCheck dot org, it's

467
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<v Speaker 2>not Politico. This is the court website where the issue

468
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<v Speaker 2>was filed. Do you see this? And she'd be like oh,

469
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<v Speaker 2>and she would stop using that argument at that point.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So I think, if someone's willing to come on and

471
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<v Speaker 2>I go, bring whatever notes you want, bring your laptop,

472
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<v Speaker 2>bring your phone, let's rather than me try to make

473
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<v Speaker 2>this of a debate of me smashing you into the ground,

474
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<v Speaker 2>or you destroying the atheist argument or destroying the liberal

475
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<v Speaker 2>argument or whatever. Let's just research things together. Let's get

476
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<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of it and see what resources we

477
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<v Speaker 2>can trust, and hopefully, if that's the angle I take

478
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<v Speaker 2>moving forward, we just go if you notice repeatedly your

479
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<v Speaker 2>sources are lying to you, and if your sources are

480
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<v Speaker 2>lying to you, why do you what? What do you

481
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<v Speaker 2>think they have to cover up? And I think that's

482
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<v Speaker 2>one major way it could move forward another way, And

483
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<v Speaker 2>y'all need to tell me in the comments if you

484
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<v Speaker 2>like this or not. Is reaction videos, reactions reaction episodes

485
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<v Speaker 2>to things in the news, to uh old episodes of mine,

486
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 2>old debates. I don't know if y'all liked those those

487
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<v Speaker 2>old debates that I whenever I would like rehash the

488
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<v Speaker 2>old debate and then and then be like kind of

489
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<v Speaker 2>break down my old debates, or at least portions of them.

490
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I can do that. But also, I mean anytime. I mean,

491
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<v Speaker 2>I could walk in the studio with no plan and

492
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Danny could get all the cameras ready and the week

493
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<v Speaker 2>ago all right, David open it up, okay, and I

494
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<v Speaker 2>just go to Associated Press, you know, AP news dot com.

495
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<v Speaker 2>And then Trump issues new threat to Iran's civil infrastructure

496
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<v Speaker 2>if a ceasefire isn't reached soon. Could a Democrat replace

497
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<v Speaker 2>Marjorie Taylor Green? The top two headlines could be thirty

498
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<v Speaker 2>minutes of a podcast. So yeah, if you want me

499
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to just cover stuff like that, I can do it.

500
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I just I got really good advice from Todd Stefel.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Y'all know Todd, my millionaire buddy that I've had on

502
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the show. He just said one time, He's like you,

503
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<v Speaker 2>if you can't be if you don't see yourself as

504
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<v Speaker 2>the best in the world at something and you don't

505
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 2>absolutely love doing it, what's the point, Like you, what

506
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>are you doing stand up comedy? I absolutely love it,

507
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<v Speaker 2>and I do feel like I have the potential of

508
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<v Speaker 2>being one of the best. I really do believe that.

509
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<v Speaker 2>To some people, comedy subjective, but I feel like I could.

510
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<v Speaker 2>I could attain that level of greatness there if I

511
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<v Speaker 2>keep working at it and I love it. Even if

512
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not all that great, I love doing it, so

513
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<v Speaker 2>that justifies being able to continue. There are so many

514
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<v Speaker 2>people that cover the news, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Fallon.

515
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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the kids. There's there's like three guys

516
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<v Speaker 2>right now, off the top of my head, I can't

517
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<v Speaker 2>remember their name. I follow them on Instagram. Their names

518
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>are escaping me. They do this stuff so well. There's

519
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<v Speaker 2>like three or four kids. Aaron Parnis is one of them.

520
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Like that that level. They do it so well. I don't.

521
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think I could do it better than them.

522
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<v Speaker 2>So I just watch their content, and I want you

523
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<v Speaker 2>to watch their content. But if you truly want my

524
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>take on this stuff, I'll do it. I'll grab their

525
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>video and respond to them talking about it. We can

526
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.039
<v Speaker 2>bring it back if you're cool with that. Being a

527
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<v Speaker 2>research show somewhat of a debate show, sharing research and

528
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>then also doing reaction videos to either old episodes or

529
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>things happening in the News. I think that's how it

530
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<v Speaker 2>could come back. And also we have to find victims

531
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<v Speaker 2>willing to come in studio. I much prefer guests being

532
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<v Speaker 2>in studio. That's another big thing as to why it stopped.

533
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 2>People just wanted to call in, zoom in, blah blah blah.

534
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 2>The chemistry is just not there. It's a weird vibe

535
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<v Speaker 2>when they're over the phone. But I'm willing to do

536
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<v Speaker 2>it if we can't find anybody to be here in person.

537
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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's how the show can move forward. Awesome.

538
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we would love to get your guys' opinions and

539
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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on if any of those would be preferred formats

540
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<v Speaker 1>for it to be able to come back. What advice

541
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<v Speaker 1>would you give someone starting a podcast like this or

542
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<v Speaker 1>a debating platform like this today?

543
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<v Speaker 2>Don't that sounds like a jaded, old, angry, grumpy man.

544
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just so oversaturated. Now I've started Serious Circus, I

545
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>think it's got two downloads. Like, no matter how good

546
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the content is or how well you produce it, there's

547
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 2>just like everybody has a podcast like It's so when

548
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I started, you had to like invest in equipment and

549
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>know how to run it, and that made me stand

550
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>out because I could produce high quality content. I knew

551
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<v Speaker 2>the ins and outs and the technical specs of building

552
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>a studio fourteen fifteen years ago, and now it's just

553
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>like you just pull your phone out and have an

554
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<v Speaker 2>opinion and they call that a podcast. I mean, they

555
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>made it so easy. Forever, these big corporations leaned into

556
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the ego and said, you want to be a podcaster,

557
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 2>buy this app, sign up for this nineteen ninety nine

558
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<v Speaker 2>a month. I mean, I have a I have a

559
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 2>grandfather deal with iHeartRadio that pays for my speaker subscription

560
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>because I earned those stripes. But for twenty bucks a month,

561
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you can have the same thing, Like you know what

562
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<v Speaker 2>I mean. When I started, it was hard to obtain

563
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and now like everybody can just get it. So I'd

564
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>stand out. Be unique, Be consistent. Release on the same

565
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>day at the same time every week, so that the

566
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>audience gets used to when you show up, you want

567
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to be somebody's commute. Maybe just lock into whatever it's

568
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot of people release on Fridays, a

569
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<v Speaker 2>lot of people release over the weekend or Monday. Be

570
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the Tuesday morning release, so that when your fans wake

571
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>up Tuesday at six o'clock in the morning, there's a

572
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>show ready for their drive to work. Be consistent and

573
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>stand out. Don't just do what everybody else is doing.

574
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<v Speaker 2>If you're just gonna be a person talking on a

575
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<v Speaker 2>microphone about your opinions that day, you're probably not gonna

576
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>stand out. You're gonna run together. You're gonna you know whatever,

577
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Find a unique angle, what makes you unique, what makes

578
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<v Speaker 2>you interesting your hook, Lean into that hook, carve out

579
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>your your niche, and uh, stay consistent with your release times.

580
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Quality doesn't matter as much anymore.

581
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<v Speaker 1>So in regards to Dogma debate, Let's take this in

582
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<v Speaker 1>that direction. What's next for you with dogma debate? Are

583
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 1>also you know what's next for you outside of it?

584
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<v Speaker 1>In the upcoming projects or plans?

585
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my tour starts. I'm starting in Pasadena and

586
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<v Speaker 2>then I'm in Dallas Fort Worth. I'll pull up my

587
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<v Speaker 2>text from my book.

588
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<v Speaker 3>Or I've got Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville, a

589
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<v Speaker 3>bunch of dates, uh David C.

590
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<v Speaker 2>Smalley dot com. The tour dates are being updated. The

591
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<v Speaker 2>ones I just told you not not all of them

592
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<v Speaker 2>are even added to the website yet. Oh, I'm doing

593
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<v Speaker 2>San Antonio, Houston, and al Paso. Uh, go to David

594
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<v Speaker 2>csmalley dot com. And if you don't see anything today,

595
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>check in three days because every day where he my

596
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>booker is texting me, we're adding dates. So I'm doing

597
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Thursday night one off, Sunday night one off,

598
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 2>and then a couple of weekends. So yeah, just check

599
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the website. That's the big thing that I'm really wanting

600
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<v Speaker 2>to meet you, wanting to shake hands, sell tickets to

601
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the show. Let you see a different side of me.

602
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh and by the way, that's another piece of this

603
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>for why it stopped, if I could go back to that,

604
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 2>just people are starting to finally know me as the

605
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>comedian instead of the atheist guy. And you know, whatever

606
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<v Speaker 2>you are in your life, whatever you do, whatever your

607
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>career is, you want to be known as the best

608
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<v Speaker 2>in that career. Right. Let's say you're a you know,

609
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<v Speaker 2>you work at a manufacturing plant, you're in a machine

610
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<v Speaker 2>or you're a tire shop person, or you're you're an

611
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<v Speaker 2>executive at a pharmaceutical company or whatever it is that

612
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 2>you've grown in your field. Imagine in the boardroom or

613
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<v Speaker 2>at the company meeting, they go, hey, the atheist is here.

614
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<v Speaker 2>You're like, we hold on, that's I'm not. That doesn't

615
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<v Speaker 2>define me, Like I'm I worked really hard and studied

616
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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff and I solved a bunch of problems

617
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<v Speaker 2>for you fuckers. Don't. Don't just reduce my existence to

618
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<v Speaker 2>the atheists, Like, that's not who I am. It's one thing.

619
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<v Speaker 2>What's one piece of my worldview? Like you know. And

620
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<v Speaker 2>so because it's a unique worldview to have, I mean,

621
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<v Speaker 2>the best one, but unique, nonetheless rare, people will start, oh,

622
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<v Speaker 2>that's the atheist comedian. Oh call me that. Most comedians

623
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<v Speaker 2>technically are Christians, we don't call them Christian comedians. I

624
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 2>don't do my comedy about that, and that that kind

625
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<v Speaker 2>of puts you in a little box like, oh, he's

626
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 2>fodder for the atheist conventions. No, I want to sell

627
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>out the laugh Factory, you know what I mean. I

628
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<v Speaker 2>want to sell out Madison Square Garden. I want to

629
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<v Speaker 2>be an accepted comedian who also happens to be an

630
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<v Speaker 2>open atheist. I'm not ashamed of it, but I don't

631
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<v Speaker 2>want that to be the label, you know. And so

632
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<v Speaker 2>what would happen is people would buy tickets to the

633
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 2>comedy show just because they were around the area. Show up,

634
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>have no idea who I was. Laugh their ass off,

635
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>meet me after, get an autograph, get a picture, and

636
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>go do you have a podcast? I'd be like, uh,

637
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't. Not for you, No, it's not what you think. No,

638
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to find I here podcast. Nah you don't,

639
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 2>though you don't. I want you to remember this moment

640
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 2>and just be happy, because then they would go back

641
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and listen and be like, he's not funny at all. Well,

642
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the show's not funny. The dogment debates not there were

643
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>some moments where we laughed a lot, but that's not

644
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the point of the show. So they would see me

645
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>as a comedian, meet me as a comedian, follow me

646
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>as a comedian, and go that guy. I want to

647
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>bring people back to see this guy. Then listen to

648
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 2>the podcast and be like, you're just arguing about slavery

649
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and abortion for three hours. That was a downer, and

650
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>then they don't want to come back. Oddly, and so

651
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 2>it became like brand confusion for me as well, Like

652
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm out there selling this idea that I'm a funny

653
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>guy and I'm a fun person to be around and

654
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>then they look up my name and see it's just

655
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of debating Christians, and they're like, this guy

656
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know who he is or what he wants, you

657
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It's like, imagine if Gordon Ramsay

658
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I'm a cook, but also I work

659
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>on cars and I do both. I work on cars

660
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and I cook. What are you a mechanic or are

661
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you a chef? Like we want to put people into categories,

662
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>we want to know who they are, and before we

663
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>decide who they are, they have to know who they

664
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>are themselves. And it looked like a lot of brand confusion. Sure,

665
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>I can have a podcast, a lot of comedians do,

666
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>but mine is so serious and on such a heavy

667
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>topic and debating people that it comes off is either

668
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that part is an act or I'm not actually a

669
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>funny guy. I'm just playing the role of one on stage.

670
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>They want to feel that you're being genuine and so

671
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the hardest things about having both of those

672
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 2>lives is having people believe that that's actually two real,

673
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 2>very real parts of myself, and so my other projects

674
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>are actually a lot of the reason why I stopped

675
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 2>doing the show so much is because it's confusing for

676
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>people to be like comedian, but you're just gonna make

677
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>fun of me if I come on your show. No, no, no,

678
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not gonna roast you. I'm gonna have

679
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a serious conversation with serious conversation with a comedian. Those

680
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>in the public psyche that doesn't fit very well, they

681
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>don't understand it. That's why I call the new podcast

682
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Outside of doga babay. I call it serious circus because

683
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 2>there is a serious side to stand up and it's

684
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>okay for comedians to talk about serious things. When I

685
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 2>met dille Hughgley, that's what I told him. I was like,

686
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 2>you've inspired me that it's okay to be serious on

687
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.920
<v Speaker 2>a podcast. I don't have to just always be the

688
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 2>funny guy. I can be serious for an interview. The

689
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.639
<v Speaker 2>problem is when you meet me as a comedian and

690
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 2>then you go subscribe to my podcast and hear how

691
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 2>serious and deep and dark it gets, you start to

692
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 2>be confused about I don't know that I want to

693
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>buy tickets to that guy show. So that's another up

694
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.079
<v Speaker 2>in the air, Like how do I approach this where

695
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm still funny and light and entertaining but I can

696
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 2>still have these serious conversations without having the brand confusion.

697
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 1>So now we're getting into the document debate. Fans, your

698
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.719
<v Speaker 1>guys's questions might put out a little post and I

699
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>was wondering.

700
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>That chair. Yeah, it's very squeaky, very squeaky.

701
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 1>So one of your fans ask, have you done everything

702
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you think you can do? Did you use up your

703
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>energy to push this agenda?

704
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Man, yeah, I think so, I really do. I

705
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 2>think the only way, the only way that I haven't

706
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>is if we move it into the less research. Let's

707
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:45.360
<v Speaker 2>research together aspect that I haven't done. I think I

708
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>could still change some minds by just instead of me

709
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>going into it like I'm gonna debate you and then oh,

710
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I gotta teach this person how to look up an article.

711
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>This is Dunning Krueger. You read one fucking headline about

712
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>it and the first paragraph, and now you think you're

713
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<v Speaker 2>qualified to have a debate. I have to tell you

714
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 2>the story. I watch a lot of like police videos,

715
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, police body cam stuff. This woman the other

716
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>day was in a house. She walked up to a

717
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>house that was listed on the MLS for real estate.

718
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>It was listed for sale. It had been abandoned by

719
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 2>a previous owner and then sold at auction last year

720
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 2>for five hundred thousand dollars. The new owner puts a

721
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 2>lock box on the front and starts showing the house

722
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 2>as an investment property. They're not really fixing it up,

723
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're selling it as a fixer upper. Right, So

724
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>there's like frogs in the swimming pool in the back.

725
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look very well taken care of. They're maintaining

726
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the yard, but there's a lock on the front door.

727
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 2>This woman just busts the lock off the door, goes inside,

728
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>puts a new lock on it, squatters' rights, and then

729
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>goes down to the county and files an application for

730
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>what's called adverse possession, which if someone has abandoned a

731
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 2>home for a number of years five to seven years,

732
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 2>depending on the state you're in, you can move in

733
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 2>take over the house because it's been abandoned, and then

734
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 2>when you pay taxes on that house consistently for those

735
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>five to seven years, you can then take possession of

736
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the property and it becomes yours because you've taken care

737
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>of it and they didn't come back to claim it

738
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>for five years or seven years. Then you can just

739
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 2>own it. The same thing is true if you have

740
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>a neighbor that puts their fence five feet onto your

741
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>property line. If you don't go out there immediately and

742
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 2>say get that fence off my property and it sets

743
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 2>there for ten years, you lose that land. You're thinking,

744
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>that's bullshit, that's my land. No, no, no, it's called adverse possession.

745
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Look it up. Every state has different laws around it,

746
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>but the general idea is if you just do it

747
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>long enough and nobody stops you, it kind of becomes yours.

748
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>It's where they get the idea of possessions nine tenths

749
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of the law. This woman was screaming when they kicked

750
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 2>in the door and dragged her out and arrested her.

751
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>They were like, you have no rights here. We were

752
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>at this property last week, we bought it last year.

753
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Nothing has happened for adverse possession to happen. She I

754
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 2>think she read like a headline and the first paragraph

755
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of an adverse possession real estate article and went, oh,

756
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 2>there's an abandoned house down the street and just went

757
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and took it over. And she had filed an application

758
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>with the court. She had a copy of it, but

759
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>it hadn't been approved, she hadn't paid the taxes on it.

760
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 2>She just filed the application and then moved into someone

761
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>else's house and was screaming at the top of her lungs.

762
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Adverse possession, you don't know the law. Adverse possession, you

763
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>don't know the law. That's what my dog and debate

764
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>conversations feel like. That's what it feels like. It feels

765
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>like someone is emotionally invested, screaming, upset, so dedicated to

766
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>what they believe, without any real substantive argument, without any

767
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>real data to back it up. And the fact that

768
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the things that they think are data is their application

769
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that they submitted, or another Christian's opinion on KARM or

770
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 2>some website, or they will tell me what an atheist believes,

771
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'll go, that's not what any atheist believes. What

772
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.559
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? Oh, you heard that from your

773
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>pastor when you were nine, and you never bothered to

774
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 2>fact check it. So now I'm supposed to defend something

775
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 2>that your pastor made up when you were a child.

776
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even having the real conversation. I'm teaching them

777
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 2>how to stay in reality. And that becomes the exhausting part.

778
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 2>So if I just take this from the perspective of

779
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do this as a teaching experience, and

780
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to enter the conversation knowing that you don't

781
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>understand fallacies, and that this is an exercise in peaceful

782
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 2>research together, in collective peaceful research, and we're gonna look

783
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>things up together. We're gonna get to the bottom of

784
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>stuff together. You and I are on the same team,

785
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna find the truth about this issue. We

786
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 2>might banter back and forth and disagree, but the goal

787
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 2>is to find the truth about something. If that's the

788
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 2>angle I take, it might not wear me out so fast. So, yes,

789
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>I used up all the energy that I had in

790
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that space, But I think this is a way to

791
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>reignite at least a portion of it.

792
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 1>The next question is if not, when you keep going

793
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and keep those about to get indoctrinated from getting indoctrinated.

794
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 2>It's always the plan, man, It's always the plan. I think. Unfortunately,

795
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>by the time people find me, they are already indoctrinated.

796
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 2>But yes, I want to That's the only if I

797
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't think, if I didn't think I could do it

798
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>at all, I wouldn't even be doing this episode. This

799
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is just it's gonna be different. The person's gonna have

800
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to be willing to come to the table to do

801
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 2>research with me, and I think that's a pretty small

802
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 2>ask to be honest with you. So yeah, that's the goal.

803
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Would you consider speaking to a Jew or Muslim on

804
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>their religious views on the war military operation in Iran?

805
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I think I would. I would like to facilitate a

806
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>conversation between one of each. It's such a delicate topic

807
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 2>and I am truly like it. It's so unique because

808
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I think David Eller said the best argument against any

809
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 2>religion is any other religion. And the mistake that theists

810
00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 2>make is that atheism is one and the same and

811
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 2>just one of the other things that could be possible,

812
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>when in fact it's not. It's atheism is outside of

813
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>all of those battles we think everyone is wrong. And

814
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 2>it's so important when you talk about this Middle East conflict,

815
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>because people just want to hear a buzzword, see what

816
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>side you're on, and they either hate you or love you,

817
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and it's just there is a genocide and it's disgusting,

818
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 2>it's awful. But that doesn't mean Jews deserve hate. When

819
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the Israeli government is the one doing things that are wrong,

820
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 2>and if Hamas is doing is participating in terrorist activity,

821
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean it's fair to demonize Palestinians. It's a

822
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 2>complicated situation. It's it's almost like if if it would

823
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>be like people hating Americans because of Donald Trump behavior

824
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 2>when most of us hate him too. You know, there

825
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>are tons of Jewish people that cannot stand net Nyahu

826
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and his conservative bullshit, and there are tons of Palestinians

827
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that do not like Hamas operations. So we're just we're

828
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>we don't want to be judged off of the behavior

829
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>of our president, but you're willing to judge an entire

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<v Speaker 2>group of people based off of theirs like you just

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<v Speaker 2>need to. And then you know, we're not gonna pretend

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<v Speaker 2>like there's not a genocide. We're not gonna pretend like

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<v Speaker 2>that Yahoo isn't taking advantage of his power and that

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<v Speaker 2>America is helping with that, and that's disgusting and disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean we should just go attack Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people on the internet. That's ridiculous that people get that

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<v Speaker 2>mindset that, oh, because you're the bad guy. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>can say these horrible things. That's awful, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>internet is filled with people just black or white, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty. I'm just gonna be this or be that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not what this show is ever going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, I would bring someone on, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>for that level of that conversation, I would want to

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<v Speaker 2>mediate or moderate. I think a conversation between between those

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<v Speaker 2>two sides, I think that'd be an effective and fun

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<v Speaker 2>conversation to have, informative as well, and then also do

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<v Speaker 2>the research to get to the bottom of each one

848
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<v Speaker 2>of their alleged facts. But I think when somebody like

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<v Speaker 2>Bernie Sanders, which is probably the most politically influential Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>person in our country, is railing against the government of Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that should be a very clear point that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a difference between Jewish people and the Israeli government,

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<v Speaker 2>just like there's a difference between the American people and

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you abandon friend of Statan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>abandon anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one question, and that's not on here, But just

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<v Speaker 1>for kicks and giggles, do you hate us? That was

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every last one of you. No man, the Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Listener made this life possible. Here. I am living in

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood doing stand up comedy shows, touring stand up comedy,

864
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<v Speaker 2>I'm in movies, I'm on television, and I did this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to do this because of the Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Listener support. If the Fourth Listener had never supported the

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<v Speaker 2>show financially and signed up for Patreon, all this behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes stuff, even if you weren't there back then,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the Fourth Listener, the position you're in now,

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<v Speaker 2>if that had never existed, I would still be supporting

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<v Speaker 2>myself working in it job in Texas. The fact that

872
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<v Speaker 2>I got to move out here and do this kind

873
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<v Speaker 2>of work allowed me the opportunity to go on stage,

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<v Speaker 2>to do the movies, and to be involved with bigger

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<v Speaker 2>names Aimes and have them sit across from me in studio,

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<v Speaker 2>and that opened up avenues and indoors for me. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love the Fourth Listener.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've we've covered this. I think, right that should

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<v Speaker 1>show more topical adversarial debates. We've kind of covered that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I think Maga is a good

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<v Speaker 2>way to go again. I think Destiny does a pretty

882
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<v Speaker 2>good job of that stuff. I think Destiny's better at

883
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<v Speaker 2>it than I am. He's more involved on the political side,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not quite the religious side, but you know I

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<v Speaker 2>have I would have no plans of trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>outdo Destiny in that, but I think I have some

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<v Speaker 2>to to offer there. I have. I have some to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>I have an angle I could take on it. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the content could be even me covering something

890
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<v Speaker 2>Destiny did or said and show where I break from

891
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<v Speaker 2>Destiny and where I agree. If y'all want that content,

892
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<v Speaker 2>comment and let me know that you want me to

893
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<v Speaker 2>review other people's debates. You know, maybe I can take

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<v Speaker 2>Harry and some of these other guys that do debates

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<v Speaker 2>like Danny could pull a five minute clip. I could

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<v Speaker 2>review it and give my give my take on it.

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<v Speaker 2>As now a veteran old school debater guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I could definitely do that. The problem with MAGA is,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at this point, and I'm probably gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>this on upcoming episodes, but we may have gotten all

901
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<v Speaker 2>the reasonable MAGA out of MAGA, Like if if I

902
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<v Speaker 2>mean we are gas prices, the roof war in Iran,

903
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<v Speaker 2>bombing Venezuela, threatening to take Greenland. Oh yeah, Epstein files

904
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<v Speaker 2>where the president of the United States is literally accused

905
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<v Speaker 2>of rape and murder of children. If you're still maga,

906
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<v Speaker 2>what are we going to talk about? The only thing

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine that we could talk about is that

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<v Speaker 2>research idea that I have, Like maybe Brandon Jordan, we

909
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<v Speaker 2>could have him back in and I could go rather

910
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<v Speaker 2>than us battle, bring your laptop, show me your resources

911
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 2>for why you believe what you believe, because what ends

912
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<v Speaker 2>up happening is he comes over, we have the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I never heard of that. Ah, I never

914
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<v Speaker 2>heard of that. But we're thinking for the show, we

915
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<v Speaker 2>got to keep it moving. Why don't we stop and

916
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<v Speaker 2>go let's look at it together. Danny can speed it

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<v Speaker 2>up in post. You know, Danny can edit it. We

918
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<v Speaker 2>don't have to drag you through a four hour research project.

919
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<v Speaker 2>If it takes an hour to find the answer, it

920
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<v Speaker 2>takes an hour to find the answer, we speed that

921
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<v Speaker 2>up into thirty seconds for you with camera magic, with

922
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<v Speaker 2>editing magic. But to truly have an impact on Brandon,

923
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<v Speaker 2>we need to do that. What really happens is we

924
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<v Speaker 2>just pontificate say what we think is true. I never

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<v Speaker 2>heard that, did you ever see this. No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see that. Did you hear about that story that lady? No,

927
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<v Speaker 2>did you hear that Kamala did this? I never saw that.

928
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<v Speaker 2>And then we leave, and then we spend the next

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<v Speaker 2>week texting each other links back and forth. Read this,

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<v Speaker 2>Read that I don't have time. I'm preparing for my

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<v Speaker 2>next show. Why didn't we just take the time to

932
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<v Speaker 2>look at this shit while he was here? That is

933
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<v Speaker 2>the last sliver I think that could save the final

934
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<v Speaker 2>five reasonable people that are up Maga's ass. Because these people,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my mom's off the Magat train. My mom

936
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<v Speaker 2>is like, he's full of shit, He's a liar. I'm

937
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<v Speaker 2>not saying she's Democrat, but she likes James tell Erico.

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<v Speaker 2>She likes his Christian vibe. Maybe we got her, I

939
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<v Speaker 2>don't know. But she's resorted to all politicians or pieces

940
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<v Speaker 2>of shit. They're all liars, liar, titian. She calls them,

941
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<v Speaker 2>their mouth's moving, they're full of shit. I think it's

942
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<v Speaker 2>a way to deflect, maybe and not take responsibility for

943
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<v Speaker 2>the damage you've done to the nation, but just saying

944
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<v Speaker 2>they're all bad, even though I clearly constantly show her

945
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<v Speaker 2>how Bernie doesn't lie like that. AOC doesn't lie like that.

946
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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Warren doesn't lie like that. And the dishonesty that

947
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<v Speaker 2>has happened in those groups are so minor, in minuscule,

948
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<v Speaker 2>A detail wrong, a number incorrect, an exaggeration of something.

949
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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing like what we see with Trump and the GOP.

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<v Speaker 2>So are there still a few reasonable people there? I

951
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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't know. It sure seems that maybe

952
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<v Speaker 2>the most reasonable ones are already off the Trump train.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd like to bring somebody in studio and see

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<v Speaker 2>if they'd be willing to research with me, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we start with Brandon. Maybe we try the research thing

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<v Speaker 2>with Brandon first. Let me know in the comments what

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<v Speaker 2>you think about the reaction videos, the responses to the

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<v Speaker 2>current debates, if you still care about my opinion on

959
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<v Speaker 2>those things, if every episode isn't that Maga versus liberal

960
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<v Speaker 2>or atheist versus pastor if that's not I can't do

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<v Speaker 2>that every week. So if it's not that, are you

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<v Speaker 2>still down to stick around or you only hear for

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<v Speaker 2>the debates? Because I don't I don't know how often

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<v Speaker 2>that'll happen, because we'll try. But that's where I stand

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<v Speaker 2>with it, right now we have the Serious Circus podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the stand up comedy, we have the acting.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lot going on. So and I have

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff coming up that I'm excited to tell you

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00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.679
<v Speaker 2>about that I can't tell you about yet. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>saving animals. That's all I'll say. It's a wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, thanks to Danny for putting this together. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for the comments, for the questions, for the support.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to be back. Let's do it.