Speaker 1: Why did dog my debate stop? Why did it slow
Speaker 1: it down?
Speaker 2: I just got really really busy with stand up comedy,
Speaker 2: with acting, with doing all parts of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was the booker, the camera guy, the lighting guy,
Speaker 2: setting up all the mics. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: work to even just make it. You get to the
Speaker 2: point to where we could start having the debate, and
Speaker 2: then I had to be on point and correct for
Speaker 2: the debate, and then the editing and production and post
Speaker 2: production and then the uploading, and it's hours and hours
Speaker 2: and hours of work, on top of getting asked to
Speaker 2: come to stand up comedy all over the country. It's
Speaker 2: much better to be able to to to be in
Speaker 2: a comedy club and to bring joy to people by
Speaker 2: the hundreds than it is to sit and have a
Speaker 2: physically and mentally exhausting conversation for four hours with one
Speaker 2: person who somehow wants to justify why slavery is okay.
Speaker 2: I spent so much of my time in studio teaching
Speaker 2: the other person how to have a discussion. And I
Speaker 2: know that sounds arrogant and pompous, but it's the reality.
Speaker 2: I would say my part, and then their response the
Speaker 2: first sentence out of their mouth would be a straw
Speaker 2: man fallacy, and I'd go, why hold on, I can't, no,
Speaker 2: I let you talk. I didn't spew out fallacy after fallacy.
Speaker 2: We have to we have They don't even understand it.
Speaker 2: They don't know what a straw man is. They don't
Speaker 2: know what an equivocation is. They don't get it. And
Speaker 2: so I have to not only be in the game,
Speaker 2: I have to be the referee for the game and
Speaker 2: the judge for the game. And I'm also live producing,
Speaker 2: thinking what's going to be good content for the listener.
Speaker 2: If I just cut him off and said, you're fucking moron,
Speaker 2: you believe in Santa Claus for grown ups, it might
Speaker 2: make you feel good. But the episode it's going to
Speaker 2: be four minutes long. They're never coming back, and Christians
Speaker 2: are never going to come on the show again because
Speaker 2: they don't want to be talked to like that. If
Speaker 2: that's what you want, then the show you want is
Speaker 2: an egotistical cable access show where a guy with a
Speaker 2: giant ego just wants to beat up on people that
Speaker 2: he's smarter than, doesn't want to have real conversations and
Speaker 2: debates about real issues, but just wants to beat up
Speaker 2: on people, call them names, call them idiots, and then
Speaker 2: hang up on them to boost his self esteem. I
Speaker 2: guess essentially a bully that doesn't want to fight a
Speaker 2: real person, but once to fight someone that you know,
Speaker 2: they know they can beat. And so that's a different show.
Speaker 2: Somebody's already doing that show, and so I didn't need to.
Speaker 2: I found myself becoming angry, irritated, exhausted with people sitting
Speaker 2: across from me for hours at a time justifying the
Speaker 2: mistreatment of women, child abuse, rape, Anything that God does
Speaker 2: is immediately good because God did it, no matter how
Speaker 2: horrific it is. It's the same conversation over and over,
Speaker 2: and the conversation was exhausting, and so I was spending
Speaker 2: all this time just to say the same thing to
Speaker 2: a different face, teach a new person what a fallacy was,
Speaker 2: teach them why their arguments were invalid. And then it
Speaker 2: was just like Groundhog Day for fourteen to fifteen years
Speaker 2: of them just Christian Africa, and then they would hear
Speaker 2: that episode and then they would email, Oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make you your need of Jesus. You just wait
Speaker 2: till I get in studio, and then they would come
Speaker 2: in and I would say, oh, I think atheists are
Speaker 2: you know, humanists are very good people, So all Christians
Speaker 2: are terrible? Okay, So that's a straw man fallacy. A
Speaker 2: what a straw man fallacy? Now I'm teaching you why
Speaker 2: you're arguing like, and that makes me so irritated, Like
Speaker 2: you're not. Most of these people that would come in
Speaker 2: studio are simply not equipped to have the conversation. They
Speaker 2: have all the beliefs and feelings in the world without
Speaker 2: anything substantial to back it up, and so that got exhausting.
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would I do that? Why would I
Speaker 2: spend my time doing that? When I have comedy clubs
Speaker 2: all over the country inviting me to go perform forty
Speaker 2: five minutes to an hour of stand up comedy for
Speaker 2: a room full of people and bring them joy? Why
Speaker 2: would I spend my time doing that? And then it
Speaker 2: became harder and harder to get people on the show.
Speaker 2: Christians would listen to another Christian on the show and
Speaker 2: be like, I don't want to talk to that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to David. I had people
Speaker 2: come on the show, and then I would say, hey,
Speaker 2: will you get your friend to come on he's really
Speaker 2: popular right now on TikTok and he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you'd wipe the floor with him. I'm not giving you
Speaker 2: his phone number. You know what do I do with that?
Speaker 2: And then came the rise of the TikTok live stream
Speaker 2: where these individual Christians don't have to come on my
Speaker 2: show to have a debate. They could live stream from
Speaker 2: home just on their phone without any of this expensive equipment.
Speaker 2: They could just live stream on their phone and have atheists.
Speaker 2: After atheists come on, they could just cut them off
Speaker 2: whenever they wanted. They can mute them, they could kick
Speaker 2: them out of the room. Meanwhile, they're getting financial gifts
Speaker 2: from Christians that are watching the live stream, had twelve
Speaker 2: people in the room. Doesn't matter if somebody's gonna give
Speaker 2: you five bucks, ten bucks, fifteen bucks. You do this
Speaker 2: for a couple of hours, you make two three hundred
Speaker 2: dollars in a matter of a couple of hours. Some
Speaker 2: of year right now are going, holy shit, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start that tomorrow. Go for it. But because they're able
Speaker 2: to do that, why would they stop doing that, not
Speaker 2: get paid and come to my studio to lose a debate?
Speaker 2: What are they going to gain from it. Like it
Speaker 2: got to the point near the end where I would
Speaker 2: have to promise them after this conversation, I will give
Speaker 2: you the audio file and you can also go sell it.
Speaker 2: You can also go make Could you imagine going on
Speaker 2: the Tonight Show and being like, give me this video
Speaker 2: because I'm also putting it on my YouTube. Calm down,
Speaker 2: Like they own that content that you're on, right, So
Speaker 2: then it came down to, well, we can live stream
Speaker 2: on my channel, then you can record your podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: like fine. So it became a lot of that negotiating
Speaker 2: of like, I'm trying to do a podcast, so I'm
Speaker 2: set up with a professional producer and Mike's and everything else,
Speaker 2: and you're wanting to live stream this on TikTok and
Speaker 2: just kick me off whenever you're done. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: set up and get everything ready, and if you kick
Speaker 2: me off twelve minutes into the conversation, what am I
Speaker 2: supposed to do for my podcast? You know? So it
Speaker 2: comes down to the the intricacies of who has control
Speaker 2: over the content and why would they come on. I
Speaker 2: suppose I could do that, you know, I could start
Speaker 2: a TikTok live have Danny record it and just debate
Speaker 2: whoever pops on. Sure, I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are already doing that. I don't see how unique that is,
Speaker 2: And you know whatever, I guess that's one avenue we
Speaker 2: could take. It's certainly an option. But he also end
Speaker 2: up debating for hours and maybe can't even find real content.
Speaker 2: In fact, when Michael started hosting, I asked him to
Speaker 2: do that, and I think he called me one time
Speaker 2: when he was like, man, I did it for four hours,
Speaker 2: and I think I got thirteen minutes worth of real
Speaker 2: conversation that would be good for the show. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's just so much trash out there. Anybody with a
Speaker 2: phone could now call themselves a debater and come on.
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro wouldn't come on the show. He told Dave
Speaker 2: Rubin that there was no benefit to him coming on
Speaker 2: my show, oh, because he's already a bigger fish than me,
Speaker 2: and he was only risking having his ass handed to
Speaker 2: him by a small fish, which would ruin his reputation
Speaker 2: and it would only serve to help my reputation. So
Speaker 2: he listened to the show, said I was good, and
Speaker 2: said no, thanks, I'm not saying he dodged me. I'm
Speaker 2: saying from a pr perspective, He's right, what good is
Speaker 2: it gonna do him to come on the show. If
Speaker 2: he comes on my show and destroys me, which we
Speaker 2: all know wouldn't happen. But if he did, he's just
Speaker 2: beaten up on a little guy. And then if he
Speaker 2: gets beaten up, you know, then he got destroyed by
Speaker 2: a little podcaster. So of course he's gonna avoid that.
Speaker 2: So I found myself in this purgatory, for lack of
Speaker 2: a better term, of being too powerful for the average
Speaker 2: person who wants to have a debate, too intimidating, but
Speaker 2: not a big enough fish to have. You know, Bill
Speaker 2: O'Reilly declined to come on, Laura Ingram declined to come on.
Speaker 2: After listening to the show, of course, they try to
Speaker 2: advertise on my show, and then I would go, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna let I'm not gonna take your money and
Speaker 2: sell your book, but you can come on as a guest.
Speaker 2: I'm going to push back on your stances, and then
Speaker 2: you can sell your book to my audience if you
Speaker 2: want to, because I want the content of me debating Bill.
Speaker 2: And they originally said, okay, sounds good, let's double check
Speaker 2: with Bill, and then after Bill has reviewed your program
Speaker 2: unfortunately his past, and I'm like, that's the pattern, right,
Speaker 2: They don't they don't want to be challenged, They don't
Speaker 2: want to come on the show. They want they they
Speaker 2: are okay with a battle if they are in control
Speaker 2: of the buttons and the final edit. So Bill is
Speaker 2: not afraid of a debate. You just got to go
Speaker 2: on his show to do it so that they can
Speaker 2: create the narrative they want by editing. Laura Ingram is
Speaker 2: the same way. It's it's dishonesty, it's shit journalism, it's
Speaker 2: ego and bravado masquerading his journalism, and it's bullshit. And
Speaker 2: then the less experienced debaters would hear the arguments and
Speaker 2: didn't want to be you know, smeared and go on.
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, I could take the Seth
Speaker 2: Andrews route and just start covering atheist friendly content and
Speaker 2: tell stories of deconverted conversions. But Seth already does such
Speaker 2: an amazing job of that, that's already that's already lined
Speaker 2: out on the Thinking Atheist. I don't know why I
Speaker 2: would start replicating what Seth did. My whole thing was
Speaker 2: actually talking with with Christians. And hardcore Republicans that I
Speaker 2: disagreed with, and they stopped wanting to come on. It
Speaker 2: kind of just ran its course, I think, and so
Speaker 2: if it came back, it would have to be a
Speaker 2: bit different. I have some ideas on how to do that,
Speaker 2: but I guess we'll get into that later. Is that
Speaker 2: too short of an answer, Danny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little too short. Next question is a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the origin if people don't know,
Speaker 1: But do you remember sort of the seed or the
Speaker 1: inspiration for Dogma Debate when it kind of first started.
Speaker 1: What sparked it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a blog. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: that old blog is still out there. You can go
Speaker 2: to Dogma Debate dot blogspot dot com. It's an it's
Speaker 2: still there. It's so cheesy. But it was my first blog,
Speaker 2: and so I would post about it. I'd post on
Speaker 2: a Christian topic and then Christians would come there and
Speaker 2: argue with me in the blog. They would reply, And really,
Speaker 2: what made me so good at it is because I
Speaker 2: had to respond with the written word. I would make
Speaker 2: sure that I was right. I would do the research,
Speaker 2: so sometimes one paragraph would take me an hour because
Speaker 2: I would fact check every piece of the paragraph before
Speaker 2: I responded, and then I would cross reference and double
Speaker 2: check the references, and I was just I got, really,
Speaker 2: I mean I should I should have a PhD in
Speaker 2: this shit. I would for all the reasons they hand
Speaker 2: out PhDs is years of research and determination in fact checking.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I did it on my own. I didn't do it,
Speaker 2: you know, under a university, so I don't get a
Speaker 2: degree for it. But the amount of it's not just
Speaker 2: the knowledge that I have, it's the the ability and
Speaker 2: the ability to use resources and check those resources became
Speaker 2: a very important skill set, and so doing that to
Speaker 2: respond with the written word on the blog made me
Speaker 2: really good at coming up with those arguments. And then
Speaker 2: I got to where I couldn't respond to everybody fast enough.
Speaker 2: There was a time where Dogm Debate blog was getting
Speaker 2: fifty thousand views a day, and out of those fifty
Speaker 2: thousand views, it would get five or six hundred comments
Speaker 2: and on different things that I had written, and I
Speaker 2: was just like, I can't I can't respond to all these.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it would take me a month to get back
Speaker 2: to somebody. And somebody even commented one time, a Christian
Speaker 2: was like, man, just kudos to you for responding to
Speaker 2: every single person like it's taken you a while, but man,
Speaker 2: you are so active. Didn't pay me anything. By the way,
Speaker 2: I had ads on that blog and my ad sense account.
Speaker 2: It was a Google ad Sense that was connected to that.
Speaker 2: This is before I even had a YouTube. They I
Speaker 2: guess I allow. I checked a box to allow Christian ads,
Speaker 2: which is made sense. I was I was writing four Christians,
Speaker 2: why would I not have Christian ads on the on
Speaker 2: the on the blog. And it racked up around three
Speaker 2: grand I think thirty four thirty five hundred dollars in
Speaker 2: AD revenue, and I was shocked. I was like, I
Speaker 2: was at work one day and I checked it and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I have all this money.
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull it out when I get home.
Speaker 2: And I got home and the balance was zero, and
Speaker 2: I was like, did I dream this? What happened? And
Speaker 2: sure enough I had an email from Google saying that
Speaker 2: I had been accused of fraud and that they wanted
Speaker 2: me to prove my analytics. Well, I used Google Analytics
Speaker 2: for my analytics, so I was like, it's you. You
Speaker 2: have the analytics, but here's a screenshot of your other platform.
Speaker 2: And immediately my my appeal was denied, and I wasn't
Speaker 2: given a reason as to why its just denied, and
Speaker 2: then I had a lifetime ban on that account forever
Speaker 2: monetizing again on Google ad Sense, which meant I could
Speaker 2: no longer advertise on YouTube. Even when YouTube started, I
Speaker 2: was banned. Even when I started my YouTube, my account
Speaker 2: was pre banned from ever monetizing, and so that's why
Speaker 2: my YouTube never went anywhere like sixty seven hundred subscribers
Speaker 2: and then just stopped. It's completely unfair. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: probably worth a lawsuit, and I think some people sued
Speaker 2: Google over that, and I just was not aware of it,
Speaker 2: so I was never part of the class action lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Wildly inappropriate. I think I heard someone's feelings that was
Speaker 2: high up at Google. I think that they didn't like
Speaker 2: the fact that an atheist was making money off of
Speaker 2: Christian advertisers, and a Christian advertiser probably saw the spike
Speaker 2: and then had to pay this money and then saw
Speaker 2: that it was coming from an atheist website, got upset
Speaker 2: and talked to somebody high up at Google, and they
Speaker 2: they just banned me. They made me the bad guy
Speaker 2: and took all my money away. And so I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I can't do the YouTube, I can't do the blogs,
Speaker 2: I can't make any money at it, and I can't
Speaker 2: respond to these people fast enough. You know, what I
Speaker 2: could do is just record audio of me answering the
Speaker 2: question and put it out as an audio recording. So
Speaker 2: that's what I did. That's how the podcast was born.
Speaker 1: What's the hardest part of running this kind of work?
Speaker 1: We've kind of touched on it.
Speaker 2: You know, if I were in the listener's shoes and
Speaker 2: I heard a guy who gets to create content for
Speaker 2: a living and doesn't have to set an alarm and
Speaker 2: wake up at six six am and go do a
Speaker 2: job that he's not happy with and then get off
Speaker 2: at five and then deal with an hour traffic on
Speaker 2: the way home, and I heard somebody bitching about creating content,
Speaker 2: I would be like, shut your stupid mouth. You have
Speaker 2: it made. With that said, I used to have that life.
Speaker 2: I was working full time in it. I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: I was driving you know, one hour to work every day,
Speaker 2: spending eight to nine hours at work and then driving
Speaker 2: an hour home and then trying to do my life
Speaker 2: on top of having you know, kids at home and
Speaker 2: a wife and writing a book, trying to do this
Speaker 2: blog slash podcast thing. I was trying to build it
Speaker 2: while I had my full time job. But you just
Speaker 2: don't know until you do it, the amount of like
Speaker 2: the mental toll it'll take on you all the I mean,
Speaker 2: just for this, just for this was just me on
Speaker 2: camera and Danny off camera on a microphone. Danny, you
Speaker 2: got here at what time? Nine this morning? And we
Speaker 2: didn't start recording until almost eleven? Yeah, I mean just
Speaker 2: And that's with having a producer, like having having help,
Speaker 2: having my own, my own studio space, and that's what
Speaker 2: that's what a dedicated room that is always just sitting
Speaker 2: here waiting for me. It still took hour and a
Speaker 2: half or whatever just to get ready. Then we have
Speaker 2: the recording aspect, what we got to come up with
Speaker 2: the questions We have to post about it to get questions.
Speaker 2: We come up with the questions, and we have to
Speaker 2: generate those questions into a certain type of screen through
Speaker 2: you know, chat, GBT or some sort of generative AI
Speaker 2: to make it look good on screen so that we
Speaker 2: can show you the questions later. Then we actually do
Speaker 2: the talking right where I'm we're filmed. Oh, the lighting
Speaker 2: has to be all set right, the camera angles have
Speaker 2: to be set right. Then we do the recording where
Speaker 2: I actually to get to be the person who's doing it.
Speaker 2: I have to be entertaining. I have to be sometimes funny.
Speaker 2: I have to be thoughtful. I have to be correct
Speaker 2: because you motherfuckers love it when I make mistakes. And
Speaker 2: then and then when the cameras go off, then the
Speaker 2: work begins, because now it's just this giant raw file
Speaker 2: and three different versions of it, an audio file that
Speaker 2: needs to be mastered and edited and brought up and
Speaker 2: denoised and de crackled and declipped and then gained up,
Speaker 2: and all this technical stuff behind the scenes, and then
Speaker 2: the camera has to be color corrected. Everything's got to
Speaker 2: be chopped in and set up and then exported. Not
Speaker 2: too big, because then the files can't go anywhere, or
Speaker 2: you can't download them where the streamers or wherever we're
Speaker 2: putting it is too large. But if you compress it
Speaker 2: too much, the audio quality is shit, and people start
Speaker 2: saying you don't know how to do your audio. So
Speaker 2: you've got to find that middle ground and then put
Speaker 2: it out. You got to put the ads in it,
Speaker 2: and that's just for one episode, you gotta put a
Speaker 2: version on Patreon. You gotta put a version out for
Speaker 2: the public. When you push it out to the distributor,
Speaker 2: you got to make sure it goes to all the
Speaker 2: places it's supposed to go, the Spotify or whatever. And
Speaker 2: it used to all just be me. I was literally
Speaker 2: doing every single thing, the video for Patreon, the audio,
Speaker 2: the audio quality, the booking, the guests, setting up the studio.
Speaker 2: And I haven't always just had a dedicated studio. Sometimes
Speaker 2: the studio was the living room, and I would have
Speaker 2: to convert my living room into the studio before I
Speaker 2: could ever start getting the lighting right. And so it's
Speaker 2: just it's way more work than you think it is.
Speaker 2: What you see is, oh he did a forty five
Speaker 2: minute show, or oh he did a three hour show. Oh.
Speaker 2: I had someone tell me one time. I was at
Speaker 2: a convention and I bitched about how much work it was.
Speaker 2: I just made it. I just vented. I was like,
Speaker 2: it's so much more work than you realize. Guy was
Speaker 2: a literally like, bro, you work three hours a week,
Speaker 2: And I wanted to slap his fucking face, like I
Speaker 2: was so angry, and I realized this is coming from
Speaker 2: a place of ignorance. You just have no idea in
Speaker 2: order to make that three hours. It probably took thirty
Speaker 2: or forty for that one episode, and you think I'm
Speaker 2: only doing and then you're like, hey, we should do
Speaker 2: two episodes a week. Oh should we should? We just
Speaker 2: replicate me, right, And so now what I'm doing. I've
Speaker 2: hired Danny, I've got my own spot, I do the
Speaker 2: Serious Circus podcast, I do stuff with my daughter, I
Speaker 2: do content with my daughter, and then I've got the
Speaker 2: businesses that we run, which are the production companies behind
Speaker 2: all of the content. And then I'm a stand up
Speaker 2: comedian also touring. So with Danny here it makes it
Speaker 2: a lot more likely that I can come back and
Speaker 2: do it. But the hardest part is all of it.
Speaker 2: The hardest part is I'm not just an atheist debater.
Speaker 2: It takes so much work on the back end for
Speaker 2: you to even see the debate, and then so much
Speaker 2: more work afterwards for that debate to come to light.
Speaker 2: So it's just if everything was done and I also
Speaker 2: had to book the guests and then they would reschedule,
Speaker 2: and oh, I got to pick my kid up from school,
Speaker 2: So thirty minutes I'm in my email, like you know,
Speaker 2: with the guests, and then everything gets shifted back thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: But I got to pick my daughter up from school
Speaker 2: after this, so I'm like, now I got to push back.
Speaker 2: And that's all just for that one episode that week,
Speaker 2: and then the next week everything starts all over. So
Speaker 2: it's having help helps, of course, but the hardest part
Speaker 2: is being responsible for everything and not having a team
Speaker 2: of people like the Adam Carolla Show or Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Joe Rogan can just walk in and sit
Speaker 2: down and most of his crew has everything done. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm in that middle ground where you know, I'm bringing
Speaker 2: somebody else into help and then this is the only
Speaker 2: reason I'm willing to do it again is because Danny's here,
Speaker 2: we have the dedicated space. We even have some bookers.
Speaker 2: We have a it's Ben, right, that's that's doing some
Speaker 2: booking for me. So yeah, we may end up bringing
Speaker 2: guests back on through Ben and all of that. So
Speaker 2: it's a lot. It's a lot, and sometimes I'm so
Speaker 2: exhausted from making it happen. When the guest finally gets here,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't care, dude, whatever, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just it's not depression, it's just exhaustion. It's just like sure, sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Slavery's fine, I know, because God said so, then we
Speaker 2: get to beat him, you know whatever, what's next? You
Speaker 2: know you want to marry a thirteen year old because
Speaker 2: God said, yeah, yeah, whatever. Just can we wrap this up?
Speaker 2: Like I lose my fire because I'm exhausted from all
Speaker 2: the all the production work. So hopefully with Danny here,
Speaker 2: I won't have to do the production work and I
Speaker 2: can still have the fire. That's the hardest part.
Speaker 1: What are some ways that kind of brainstormed that it
Speaker 1: could come back? And you did mention the live streaming,
Speaker 1: but I know we have lots of other formats signed
Speaker 1: up and you can talk a little bit about you know,
Speaker 1: we've tried to have some help on outsourcing, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe reacting to things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I didn't know this was a For
Speaker 2: the record, I haven't seen these questions. I don't know
Speaker 2: the order or know what's going on. I'll let Danny
Speaker 2: just you know, produce this whole thing. He's great, by
Speaker 2: the way. I I think if it came back, you
Speaker 2: would have to be something that I've never seen before,
Speaker 2: which is rather than every show that I've ever done.
Speaker 2: It's like you show up with what you know. I
Speaker 2: show up with what I know, and we battle and
Speaker 2: we hope we get on our facts right. I've had
Speaker 2: people walking into my studio with just thick like just
Speaker 2: the binder and papers on top of the binder, terrified
Speaker 2: that they're gonna have something come up and they're gonna
Speaker 2: be caught off guard. And I think the way it
Speaker 2: could come back is if still zero bullshit, still zero tolerance,
Speaker 2: but maybe before the guest comes on, send them like
Speaker 2: maybe they have to check a box to understand, here's
Speaker 2: a basic definition of a strongman fallacy, there's a basic
Speaker 2: definition of equivocation, and go through a few of the
Speaker 2: fallacies so that they understand, like this will be called out,
Speaker 2: like don't waste time on the show doing this, and
Speaker 2: then the show becomes rather than we'll still call it
Speaker 2: dogma debate, but instead of it being a battle, maybe
Speaker 2: it's let's research together. The hardcore fourth listener out there
Speaker 2: may remember the Palestinian Christian that I had in studio.
Speaker 2: It probably is the most underrated episode of my career
Speaker 2: in that we're talking looking back and forth and he
Speaker 2: just goes I've never heard that. What do you mean?
Speaker 2: And it was just on audio, so you can't see
Speaker 2: what's happening. But I just turned my laptop around and
Speaker 2: I go, this is an article. And then I show
Speaker 2: him the article and he's floored and he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to see that stuff in my country.
Speaker 2: And then we read more, and we read more, and
Speaker 2: we read more, and literally by the end of the episode,
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't think I think I'm not
Speaker 2: a Christian anymore. I think I've been fooled. I think
Speaker 2: this is bullshit. And I was like blown away that
Speaker 2: that actually happened. But the research together is what did it.
Speaker 2: The way I've been effective with my mom privately, one
Speaker 2: on one is she would send me something and I
Speaker 2: would call her and I'd be like, Mom, go to
Speaker 2: this website. Look at this. Do you see that thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you to trust that website. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: look at this thing. And then I go, now, let's
Speaker 2: go to that court website. Let's go to the court docket.
Speaker 2: And you can pull up the PDF of the docket
Speaker 2: and scroll down to page twelve. There's the evidence. It's
Speaker 2: not snopes dot Com it's not FactCheck dot org, it's
Speaker 2: not Politico. This is the court website where the issue
Speaker 2: was filed. Do you see this? And she'd be like oh,
Speaker 2: and she would stop using that argument at that point.
Speaker 2: So I think, if someone's willing to come on and
Speaker 2: I go, bring whatever notes you want, bring your laptop,
Speaker 2: bring your phone, let's rather than me try to make
Speaker 2: this of a debate of me smashing you into the ground,
Speaker 2: or you destroying the atheist argument or destroying the liberal
Speaker 2: argument or whatever. Let's just research things together. Let's get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it and see what resources we
Speaker 2: can trust, and hopefully, if that's the angle I take
Speaker 2: moving forward, we just go if you notice repeatedly your
Speaker 2: sources are lying to you, and if your sources are
Speaker 2: lying to you, why do you what? What do you
Speaker 2: think they have to cover up? And I think that's
Speaker 2: one major way it could move forward another way, And
Speaker 2: y'all need to tell me in the comments if you
Speaker 2: like this or not. Is reaction videos, reactions reaction episodes
Speaker 2: to things in the news, to uh old episodes of mine,
Speaker 2: old debates. I don't know if y'all liked those those
Speaker 2: old debates that I whenever I would like rehash the
Speaker 2: old debate and then and then be like kind of
Speaker 2: break down my old debates, or at least portions of them.
Speaker 2: I can do that. But also, I mean anytime. I mean,
Speaker 2: I could walk in the studio with no plan and
Speaker 2: Danny could get all the cameras ready and the week
Speaker 2: ago all right, David open it up, okay, and I
Speaker 2: just go to Associated Press, you know, AP news dot com.
Speaker 2: And then Trump issues new threat to Iran's civil infrastructure
Speaker 2: if a ceasefire isn't reached soon. Could a Democrat replace
Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green? The top two headlines could be thirty
Speaker 2: minutes of a podcast. So yeah, if you want me
Speaker 2: to just cover stuff like that, I can do it.
Speaker 2: I just I got really good advice from Todd Stefel.
Speaker 2: Y'all know Todd, my millionaire buddy that I've had on
Speaker 2: the show. He just said one time, He's like you,
Speaker 2: if you can't be if you don't see yourself as
Speaker 2: the best in the world at something and you don't
Speaker 2: absolutely love doing it, what's the point, Like you, what
Speaker 2: are you doing stand up comedy? I absolutely love it,
Speaker 2: and I do feel like I have the potential of
Speaker 2: being one of the best. I really do believe that.
Speaker 2: To some people, comedy subjective, but I feel like I could.
Speaker 2: I could attain that level of greatness there if I
Speaker 2: keep working at it and I love it. Even if
Speaker 2: I'm not all that great, I love doing it, so
Speaker 2: that justifies being able to continue. There are so many
Speaker 2: people that cover the news, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Fallon.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the kids. There's there's like three guys
Speaker 2: right now, off the top of my head, I can't
Speaker 2: remember their name. I follow them on Instagram. Their names
Speaker 2: are escaping me. They do this stuff so well. There's
Speaker 2: like three or four kids. Aaron Parnis is one of them.
Speaker 2: Like that that level. They do it so well. I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't think I could do it better than them.
Speaker 2: So I just watch their content, and I want you
Speaker 2: to watch their content. But if you truly want my
Speaker 2: take on this stuff, I'll do it. I'll grab their
Speaker 2: video and respond to them talking about it. We can
Speaker 2: bring it back if you're cool with that. Being a
Speaker 2: research show somewhat of a debate show, sharing research and
Speaker 2: then also doing reaction videos to either old episodes or
Speaker 2: things happening in the News. I think that's how it
Speaker 2: could come back. And also we have to find victims
Speaker 2: willing to come in studio. I much prefer guests being
Speaker 2: in studio. That's another big thing as to why it stopped.
Speaker 2: People just wanted to call in, zoom in, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: The chemistry is just not there. It's a weird vibe
Speaker 2: when they're over the phone. But I'm willing to do
Speaker 2: it if we can't find anybody to be here in person.
Speaker 2: So I think that's how the show can move forward. Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would love to get your guys' opinions and
Speaker 1: thoughts on if any of those would be preferred formats
Speaker 1: for it to be able to come back. What advice
Speaker 1: would you give someone starting a podcast like this or
Speaker 1: a debating platform like this today?
Speaker 2: Don't that sounds like a jaded, old, angry, grumpy man.
Speaker 2: It's just so oversaturated. Now I've started Serious Circus, I
Speaker 2: think it's got two downloads. Like, no matter how good
Speaker 2: the content is or how well you produce it, there's
Speaker 2: just like everybody has a podcast like It's so when
Speaker 2: I started, you had to like invest in equipment and
Speaker 2: know how to run it, and that made me stand
Speaker 2: out because I could produce high quality content. I knew
Speaker 2: the ins and outs and the technical specs of building
Speaker 2: a studio fourteen fifteen years ago, and now it's just
Speaker 2: like you just pull your phone out and have an
Speaker 2: opinion and they call that a podcast. I mean, they
Speaker 2: made it so easy. Forever, these big corporations leaned into
Speaker 2: the ego and said, you want to be a podcaster,
Speaker 2: buy this app, sign up for this nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: a month. I mean, I have a I have a
Speaker 2: grandfather deal with iHeartRadio that pays for my speaker subscription
Speaker 2: because I earned those stripes. But for twenty bucks a month,
Speaker 2: you can have the same thing, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. When I started, it was hard to obtain
Speaker 2: and now like everybody can just get it. So I'd
Speaker 2: stand out. Be unique, Be consistent. Release on the same
Speaker 2: day at the same time every week, so that the
Speaker 2: audience gets used to when you show up, you want
Speaker 2: to be somebody's commute. Maybe just lock into whatever it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of people release on Fridays, a
Speaker 2: lot of people release over the weekend or Monday. Be
Speaker 2: the Tuesday morning release, so that when your fans wake
Speaker 2: up Tuesday at six o'clock in the morning, there's a
Speaker 2: show ready for their drive to work. Be consistent and
Speaker 2: stand out. Don't just do what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 2: If you're just gonna be a person talking on a
Speaker 2: microphone about your opinions that day, you're probably not gonna
Speaker 2: stand out. You're gonna run together. You're gonna you know whatever,
Speaker 2: Find a unique angle, what makes you unique, what makes
Speaker 2: you interesting your hook, Lean into that hook, carve out
Speaker 2: your your niche, and uh, stay consistent with your release times.
Speaker 2: Quality doesn't matter as much anymore.
Speaker 1: So in regards to Dogma debate, Let's take this in
Speaker 1: that direction. What's next for you with dogma debate? Are
Speaker 1: also you know what's next for you outside of it?
Speaker 1: In the upcoming projects or plans?
Speaker 2: I mean, my tour starts. I'm starting in Pasadena and
Speaker 2: then I'm in Dallas Fort Worth. I'll pull up my
Speaker 2: text from my book.
Speaker 3: Or I've got Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville, a
Speaker 3: bunch of dates, uh David C.
Speaker 2: Smalley dot com. The tour dates are being updated. The
Speaker 2: ones I just told you not not all of them
Speaker 2: are even added to the website yet. Oh, I'm doing
Speaker 2: San Antonio, Houston, and al Paso. Uh, go to David
Speaker 2: csmalley dot com. And if you don't see anything today,
Speaker 2: check in three days because every day where he my
Speaker 2: booker is texting me, we're adding dates. So I'm doing
Speaker 2: a lot of Thursday night one off, Sunday night one off,
Speaker 2: and then a couple of weekends. So yeah, just check
Speaker 2: the website. That's the big thing that I'm really wanting
Speaker 2: to meet you, wanting to shake hands, sell tickets to
Speaker 2: the show. Let you see a different side of me.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, that's another piece of this
Speaker 2: for why it stopped, if I could go back to that,
Speaker 2: just people are starting to finally know me as the
Speaker 2: comedian instead of the atheist guy. And you know, whatever
Speaker 2: you are in your life, whatever you do, whatever your
Speaker 2: career is, you want to be known as the best
Speaker 2: in that career. Right. Let's say you're a you know,
Speaker 2: you work at a manufacturing plant, you're in a machine
Speaker 2: or you're a tire shop person, or you're you're an
Speaker 2: executive at a pharmaceutical company or whatever it is that
Speaker 2: you've grown in your field. Imagine in the boardroom or
Speaker 2: at the company meeting, they go, hey, the atheist is here.
Speaker 2: You're like, we hold on, that's I'm not. That doesn't
Speaker 2: define me, Like I'm I worked really hard and studied
Speaker 2: all this stuff and I solved a bunch of problems
Speaker 2: for you fuckers. Don't. Don't just reduce my existence to
Speaker 2: the atheists, Like, that's not who I am. It's one thing.
Speaker 2: What's one piece of my worldview? Like you know. And
Speaker 2: so because it's a unique worldview to have, I mean,
Speaker 2: the best one, but unique, nonetheless rare, people will start, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the atheist comedian. Oh call me that. Most comedians
Speaker 2: technically are Christians, we don't call them Christian comedians. I
Speaker 2: don't do my comedy about that, and that that kind
Speaker 2: of puts you in a little box like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: fodder for the atheist conventions. No, I want to sell
Speaker 2: out the laugh Factory, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: want to sell out Madison Square Garden. I want to
Speaker 2: be an accepted comedian who also happens to be an
Speaker 2: open atheist. I'm not ashamed of it, but I don't
Speaker 2: want that to be the label, you know. And so
Speaker 2: what would happen is people would buy tickets to the
Speaker 2: comedy show just because they were around the area. Show up,
Speaker 2: have no idea who I was. Laugh their ass off,
Speaker 2: meet me after, get an autograph, get a picture, and
Speaker 2: go do you have a podcast? I'd be like, uh,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't. Not for you, No, it's not what you think. No,
Speaker 2: I want to find I here podcast. Nah you don't,
Speaker 2: though you don't. I want you to remember this moment
Speaker 2: and just be happy, because then they would go back
Speaker 2: and listen and be like, he's not funny at all. Well,
Speaker 2: the show's not funny. The dogment debates not there were
Speaker 2: some moments where we laughed a lot, but that's not
Speaker 2: the point of the show. So they would see me
Speaker 2: as a comedian, meet me as a comedian, follow me
Speaker 2: as a comedian, and go that guy. I want to
Speaker 2: bring people back to see this guy. Then listen to
Speaker 2: the podcast and be like, you're just arguing about slavery
Speaker 2: and abortion for three hours. That was a downer, and
Speaker 2: then they don't want to come back. Oddly, and so
Speaker 2: it became like brand confusion for me as well, Like
Speaker 2: I'm out there selling this idea that I'm a funny
Speaker 2: guy and I'm a fun person to be around and
Speaker 2: then they look up my name and see it's just
Speaker 2: a bunch of debating Christians, and they're like, this guy
Speaker 2: doesn't know who he is or what he wants, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like, imagine if Gordon Ramsay
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm a cook, but also I work
Speaker 2: on cars and I do both. I work on cars
Speaker 2: and I cook. What are you a mechanic or are
Speaker 2: you a chef? Like we want to put people into categories,
Speaker 2: we want to know who they are, and before we
Speaker 2: decide who they are, they have to know who they
Speaker 2: are themselves. And it looked like a lot of brand confusion. Sure,
Speaker 2: I can have a podcast, a lot of comedians do,
Speaker 2: but mine is so serious and on such a heavy
Speaker 2: topic and debating people that it comes off is either
Speaker 2: that part is an act or I'm not actually a
Speaker 2: funny guy. I'm just playing the role of one on stage.
Speaker 2: They want to feel that you're being genuine and so
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things about having both of those
Speaker 2: lives is having people believe that that's actually two real,
Speaker 2: very real parts of myself, and so my other projects
Speaker 2: are actually a lot of the reason why I stopped
Speaker 2: doing the show so much is because it's confusing for
Speaker 2: people to be like comedian, but you're just gonna make
Speaker 2: fun of me if I come on your show. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not gonna roast you. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: a serious conversation with serious conversation with a comedian. Those
Speaker 2: in the public psyche that doesn't fit very well, they
Speaker 2: don't understand it. That's why I call the new podcast
Speaker 2: Outside of doga babay. I call it serious circus because
Speaker 2: there is a serious side to stand up and it's
Speaker 2: okay for comedians to talk about serious things. When I
Speaker 2: met dille Hughgley, that's what I told him. I was like,
Speaker 2: you've inspired me that it's okay to be serious on
Speaker 2: a podcast. I don't have to just always be the
Speaker 2: funny guy. I can be serious for an interview. The
Speaker 2: problem is when you meet me as a comedian and
Speaker 2: then you go subscribe to my podcast and hear how
Speaker 2: serious and deep and dark it gets, you start to
Speaker 2: be confused about I don't know that I want to
Speaker 2: buy tickets to that guy show. So that's another up
Speaker 2: in the air, Like how do I approach this where
Speaker 2: I'm still funny and light and entertaining but I can
Speaker 2: still have these serious conversations without having the brand confusion.
Speaker 1: So now we're getting into the document debate. Fans, your
Speaker 1: guys's questions might put out a little post and I
Speaker 1: was wondering.
Speaker 2: That chair. Yeah, it's very squeaky, very squeaky.
Speaker 1: So one of your fans ask, have you done everything
Speaker 1: you think you can do? Did you use up your
Speaker 1: energy to push this agenda?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, yeah, I think so, I really do. I
Speaker 2: think the only way, the only way that I haven't
Speaker 2: is if we move it into the less research. Let's
Speaker 2: research together aspect that I haven't done. I think I
Speaker 2: could still change some minds by just instead of me
Speaker 2: going into it like I'm gonna debate you and then oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta teach this person how to look up an article.
Speaker 2: This is Dunning Krueger. You read one fucking headline about
Speaker 2: it and the first paragraph, and now you think you're
Speaker 2: qualified to have a debate. I have to tell you
Speaker 2: the story. I watch a lot of like police videos,
Speaker 2: you know, police body cam stuff. This woman the other
Speaker 2: day was in a house. She walked up to a
Speaker 2: house that was listed on the MLS for real estate.
Speaker 2: It was listed for sale. It had been abandoned by
Speaker 2: a previous owner and then sold at auction last year
Speaker 2: for five hundred thousand dollars. The new owner puts a
Speaker 2: lock box on the front and starts showing the house
Speaker 2: as an investment property. They're not really fixing it up,
Speaker 2: but they're selling it as a fixer upper. Right, So
Speaker 2: there's like frogs in the swimming pool in the back.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look very well taken care of. They're maintaining
Speaker 2: the yard, but there's a lock on the front door.
Speaker 2: This woman just busts the lock off the door, goes inside,
Speaker 2: puts a new lock on it, squatters' rights, and then
Speaker 2: goes down to the county and files an application for
Speaker 2: what's called adverse possession, which if someone has abandoned a
Speaker 2: home for a number of years five to seven years,
Speaker 2: depending on the state you're in, you can move in
Speaker 2: take over the house because it's been abandoned, and then
Speaker 2: when you pay taxes on that house consistently for those
Speaker 2: five to seven years, you can then take possession of
Speaker 2: the property and it becomes yours because you've taken care
Speaker 2: of it and they didn't come back to claim it
Speaker 2: for five years or seven years. Then you can just
Speaker 2: own it. The same thing is true if you have
Speaker 2: a neighbor that puts their fence five feet onto your
Speaker 2: property line. If you don't go out there immediately and
Speaker 2: say get that fence off my property and it sets
Speaker 2: there for ten years, you lose that land. You're thinking,
Speaker 2: that's bullshit, that's my land. No, no, no, it's called adverse possession.
Speaker 2: Look it up. Every state has different laws around it,
Speaker 2: but the general idea is if you just do it
Speaker 2: long enough and nobody stops you, it kind of becomes yours.
Speaker 2: It's where they get the idea of possessions nine tenths
Speaker 2: of the law. This woman was screaming when they kicked
Speaker 2: in the door and dragged her out and arrested her.
Speaker 2: They were like, you have no rights here. We were
Speaker 2: at this property last week, we bought it last year.
Speaker 2: Nothing has happened for adverse possession to happen. She I
Speaker 2: think she read like a headline and the first paragraph
Speaker 2: of an adverse possession real estate article and went, oh,
Speaker 2: there's an abandoned house down the street and just went
Speaker 2: and took it over. And she had filed an application
Speaker 2: with the court. She had a copy of it, but
Speaker 2: it hadn't been approved, she hadn't paid the taxes on it.
Speaker 2: She just filed the application and then moved into someone
Speaker 2: else's house and was screaming at the top of her lungs.
Speaker 2: Adverse possession, you don't know the law. Adverse possession, you
Speaker 2: don't know the law. That's what my dog and debate
Speaker 2: conversations feel like. That's what it feels like. It feels
Speaker 2: like someone is emotionally invested, screaming, upset, so dedicated to
Speaker 2: what they believe, without any real substantive argument, without any
Speaker 2: real data to back it up. And the fact that
Speaker 2: the things that they think are data is their application
Speaker 2: that they submitted, or another Christian's opinion on KARM or
Speaker 2: some website, or they will tell me what an atheist believes,
Speaker 2: and I'll go, that's not what any atheist believes. What
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Oh, you heard that from your
Speaker 2: pastor when you were nine, and you never bothered to
Speaker 2: fact check it. So now I'm supposed to defend something
Speaker 2: that your pastor made up when you were a child.
Speaker 2: I'm not even having the real conversation. I'm teaching them
Speaker 2: how to stay in reality. And that becomes the exhausting part.
Speaker 2: So if I just take this from the perspective of
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this as a teaching experience, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to enter the conversation knowing that you don't
Speaker 2: understand fallacies, and that this is an exercise in peaceful
Speaker 2: research together, in collective peaceful research, and we're gonna look
Speaker 2: things up together. We're gonna get to the bottom of
Speaker 2: stuff together. You and I are on the same team,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna find the truth about this issue. We
Speaker 2: might banter back and forth and disagree, but the goal
Speaker 2: is to find the truth about something. If that's the
Speaker 2: angle I take, it might not wear me out so fast. So, yes,
Speaker 2: I used up all the energy that I had in
Speaker 2: that space, But I think this is a way to
Speaker 2: reignite at least a portion of it.
Speaker 1: The next question is if not, when you keep going
Speaker 1: and keep those about to get indoctrinated from getting indoctrinated.
Speaker 2: It's always the plan, man, It's always the plan. I think. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: by the time people find me, they are already indoctrinated.
Speaker 2: But yes, I want to That's the only if I
Speaker 2: didn't think, if I didn't think I could do it
Speaker 2: at all, I wouldn't even be doing this episode. This
Speaker 2: is just it's gonna be different. The person's gonna have
Speaker 2: to be willing to come to the table to do
Speaker 2: research with me, and I think that's a pretty small
Speaker 2: ask to be honest with you. So yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 1: Would you consider speaking to a Jew or Muslim on
Speaker 1: their religious views on the war military operation in Iran?
Speaker 2: I think I would. I would like to facilitate a
Speaker 2: conversation between one of each. It's such a delicate topic
Speaker 2: and I am truly like it. It's so unique because
Speaker 2: I think David Eller said the best argument against any
Speaker 2: religion is any other religion. And the mistake that theists
Speaker 2: make is that atheism is one and the same and
Speaker 2: just one of the other things that could be possible,
Speaker 2: when in fact it's not. It's atheism is outside of
Speaker 2: all of those battles we think everyone is wrong. And
Speaker 2: it's so important when you talk about this Middle East conflict,
Speaker 2: because people just want to hear a buzzword, see what
Speaker 2: side you're on, and they either hate you or love you,
Speaker 2: and it's just there is a genocide and it's disgusting,
Speaker 2: it's awful. But that doesn't mean Jews deserve hate. When
Speaker 2: the Israeli government is the one doing things that are wrong,
Speaker 2: and if Hamas is doing is participating in terrorist activity,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean it's fair to demonize Palestinians. It's a
Speaker 2: complicated situation. It's it's almost like if if it would
Speaker 2: be like people hating Americans because of Donald Trump behavior
Speaker 2: when most of us hate him too. You know, there
Speaker 2: are tons of Jewish people that cannot stand net Nyahu
Speaker 2: and his conservative bullshit, and there are tons of Palestinians
Speaker 2: that do not like Hamas operations. So we're just we're
Speaker 2: we don't want to be judged off of the behavior
Speaker 2: of our president, but you're willing to judge an entire
Speaker 2: group of people based off of theirs like you just
Speaker 2: need to. And then you know, we're not gonna pretend
Speaker 2: like there's not a genocide. We're not gonna pretend like
Speaker 2: that Yahoo isn't taking advantage of his power and that
Speaker 2: America is helping with that, and that's disgusting and disturbing.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean we should just go attack Jewish
Speaker 2: people on the internet. That's ridiculous that people get that
Speaker 2: mindset that, oh, because you're the bad guy. Now I
Speaker 2: can say these horrible things. That's awful, and so the
Speaker 2: internet is filled with people just black or white, fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty. I'm just gonna be this or be that way,
Speaker 2: and that's not what this show is ever going to be.
Speaker 2: So yes, I would bring someone on, but I think
Speaker 2: for that level of that conversation, I would want to
Speaker 2: mediate or moderate. I think a conversation between between those
Speaker 2: two sides, I think that'd be an effective and fun
Speaker 2: conversation to have, informative as well, and then also do
Speaker 2: the research to get to the bottom of each one
Speaker 2: of their alleged facts. But I think when somebody like
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, which is probably the most politically influential Jewish
Speaker 2: person in our country, is railing against the government of Israel,
Speaker 2: I think that should be a very clear point that
Speaker 2: there is a difference between Jewish people and the Israeli government,
Speaker 2: just like there's a difference between the American people and
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: How can you abandon friend of Statan.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: abandon anybody.
Speaker 1: There's one question, and that's not on here, But just
Speaker 1: for kicks and giggles, do you hate us? That was
Speaker 1: somebody's question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every last one of you. No man, the Fourth
Speaker 2: Listener made this life possible. Here. I am living in
Speaker 2: Hollywood doing stand up comedy shows, touring stand up comedy,
Speaker 2: I'm in movies, I'm on television, and I did this.
Speaker 2: I was able to do this because of the Fourth
Speaker 2: Listener support. If the Fourth Listener had never supported the
Speaker 2: show financially and signed up for Patreon, all this behind
Speaker 2: the scenes stuff, even if you weren't there back then,
Speaker 2: the idea of the Fourth Listener, the position you're in now,
Speaker 2: if that had never existed, I would still be supporting
Speaker 2: myself working in it job in Texas. The fact that
Speaker 2: I got to move out here and do this kind
Speaker 2: of work allowed me the opportunity to go on stage,
Speaker 2: to do the movies, and to be involved with bigger
Speaker 2: names Aimes and have them sit across from me in studio,
Speaker 2: and that opened up avenues and indoors for me. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I absolutely love the Fourth Listener.
Speaker 1: So we've we've covered this. I think, right that should
Speaker 1: show more topical adversarial debates. We've kind of covered that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think Maga is a good
Speaker 2: way to go again. I think Destiny does a pretty
Speaker 2: good job of that stuff. I think Destiny's better at
Speaker 2: it than I am. He's more involved on the political side,
Speaker 2: maybe not quite the religious side, but you know I
Speaker 2: have I would have no plans of trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: outdo Destiny in that, but I think I have some
Speaker 2: to to offer there. I have. I have some to offer.
Speaker 2: I have an angle I could take on it. Again.
Speaker 2: Some of the content could be even me covering something
Speaker 2: Destiny did or said and show where I break from
Speaker 2: Destiny and where I agree. If y'all want that content,
Speaker 2: comment and let me know that you want me to
Speaker 2: review other people's debates. You know, maybe I can take
Speaker 2: Harry and some of these other guys that do debates
Speaker 2: like Danny could pull a five minute clip. I could
Speaker 2: review it and give my give my take on it.
Speaker 2: As now a veteran old school debater guy, you know,
Speaker 2: I could definitely do that. The problem with MAGA is,
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, and I'm probably gonna say
Speaker 2: this on upcoming episodes, but we may have gotten all
Speaker 2: the reasonable MAGA out of MAGA, Like if if I
Speaker 2: mean we are gas prices, the roof war in Iran,
Speaker 2: bombing Venezuela, threatening to take Greenland. Oh yeah, Epstein files
Speaker 2: where the president of the United States is literally accused
Speaker 2: of rape and murder of children. If you're still maga,
Speaker 2: what are we going to talk about? The only thing
Speaker 2: I can imagine that we could talk about is that
Speaker 2: research idea that I have, Like maybe Brandon Jordan, we
Speaker 2: could have him back in and I could go rather
Speaker 2: than us battle, bring your laptop, show me your resources
Speaker 2: for why you believe what you believe, because what ends
Speaker 2: up happening is he comes over, we have the debate.
Speaker 2: He's like, I never heard of that. Ah, I never
Speaker 2: heard of that. But we're thinking for the show, we
Speaker 2: got to keep it moving. Why don't we stop and
Speaker 2: go let's look at it together. Danny can speed it
Speaker 2: up in post. You know, Danny can edit it. We
Speaker 2: don't have to drag you through a four hour research project.
Speaker 2: If it takes an hour to find the answer, it
Speaker 2: takes an hour to find the answer, we speed that
Speaker 2: up into thirty seconds for you with camera magic, with
Speaker 2: editing magic. But to truly have an impact on Brandon,
Speaker 2: we need to do that. What really happens is we
Speaker 2: just pontificate say what we think is true. I never
Speaker 2: heard that, did you ever see this. No, I didn't
Speaker 2: see that. Did you hear about that story that lady? No,
Speaker 2: did you hear that Kamala did this? I never saw that.
Speaker 2: And then we leave, and then we spend the next
Speaker 2: week texting each other links back and forth. Read this,
Speaker 2: Read that I don't have time. I'm preparing for my
Speaker 2: next show. Why didn't we just take the time to
Speaker 2: look at this shit while he was here? That is
Speaker 2: the last sliver I think that could save the final
Speaker 2: five reasonable people that are up Maga's ass. Because these people,
Speaker 2: I mean, my mom's off the Magat train. My mom
Speaker 2: is like, he's full of shit, He's a liar. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying she's Democrat, but she likes James tell Erico.
Speaker 2: She likes his Christian vibe. Maybe we got her, I
Speaker 2: don't know. But she's resorted to all politicians or pieces
Speaker 2: of shit. They're all liars, liar, titian. She calls them,
Speaker 2: their mouth's moving, they're full of shit. I think it's
Speaker 2: a way to deflect, maybe and not take responsibility for
Speaker 2: the damage you've done to the nation, but just saying
Speaker 2: they're all bad, even though I clearly constantly show her
Speaker 2: how Bernie doesn't lie like that. AOC doesn't lie like that.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren doesn't lie like that. And the dishonesty that
Speaker 2: has happened in those groups are so minor, in minuscule,
Speaker 2: A detail wrong, a number incorrect, an exaggeration of something.
Speaker 2: It's nothing like what we see with Trump and the GOP.
Speaker 2: So are there still a few reasonable people there? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. It sure seems that maybe
Speaker 2: the most reasonable ones are already off the Trump train.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to bring somebody in studio and see
Speaker 2: if they'd be willing to research with me, and maybe
Speaker 2: we start with Brandon. Maybe we try the research thing
Speaker 2: with Brandon first. Let me know in the comments what
Speaker 2: you think about the reaction videos, the responses to the
Speaker 2: current debates, if you still care about my opinion on
Speaker 2: those things, if every episode isn't that Maga versus liberal
Speaker 2: or atheist versus pastor if that's not I can't do
Speaker 2: that every week. So if it's not that, are you
Speaker 2: still down to stick around or you only hear for
Speaker 2: the debates? Because I don't I don't know how often
Speaker 2: that'll happen, because we'll try. But that's where I stand
Speaker 2: with it, right now we have the Serious Circus podcast,
Speaker 2: we have the stand up comedy, we have the acting.
Speaker 2: We have a lot going on. So and I have
Speaker 2: some stuff coming up that I'm excited to tell you
Speaker 2: about that I can't tell you about yet. It's about
Speaker 2: saving animals. That's all I'll say. It's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thanks to Danny for putting this together. Thank
Speaker 2: you for the comments, for the questions, for the support.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be back. Let's do it.