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True Murder with 41 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.799 your host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 42 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.280 Good evening. In this second edition of The Murder of 43 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.439 Biggie Smalls, Kathy Scott delves behind the scenes to pore 44 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:26.479 over police records, coroner reports, FBI files, and interviews Biggie's mother, 45 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:31.039 Voletta Wallace to reveal new facts surrounding the gangster rappers murder. 46 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.800 The Notorious Big exploded onto the hip hop scene in 47 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.919 nineteen ninety five with his platinum selling album Ready to Die. 48 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:44.840 Biggie Smalls born Christopher Wallace and performing as a Notorious Big, 49 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:48.159 grew up in the Bedstye neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, 50 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.680 where he dropped out of high school to pursue street 51 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.560 culture in his rapping style. Biggie began m seeing his 52 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.159 original raps, which were discovered by producer Sean Patty Combs, 53 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.680 who took Biggie's gangsta image to the next level. Fame 54 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:07.680 followed two successful rap albums earning millions of dollars, a 55 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:11.479 nineteen ninety six Billboard Rapper of the Year award, marriage 56 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.400 to R and B singer Faith Evans, a public affair 57 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.960 with rapper Little Kim, and hanging out with Tupac Shakur. 58 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.039 The high life for Biggie tragically ended March ninth, nineteen 59 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:25.840 ninety seven, after a Los Angeles post Awards party, where 60 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.680 he was gunned down in a drive by, much like 61 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:34.360 friend turn enemy Shakur six months earlier. Twenty four years later, 62 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.879 LA police still have made no arrests, despite their early 63 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.919 confidence that the case would be solved quickly, and after 64 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.199 revealing identities of persons of interest who worked for the 65 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:50.439 police department, they dropped the investigation before it ended, stalling 66 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.439 the case. Best selling true crime author Kathy Scott shares 67 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:58.039 it all in this second edition. Books were featuring this 68 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.240 evening as the Murder of Biggie Small's the second Edition, 69 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:06.960 with my guest journalist and investigative investigative journalists and author 70 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.960 Kathy Scott. Welcome back to the program, and thank you 71 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.120 so much for this interview Kathy Scott. 72 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.439 Thank you very much. Dan, happy to be here. 73 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.360 Thank you so much for joining me again. And it 74 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.519 has been a fair amount of time since we've spoken 75 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.480 to you. I want to ask you you talk about 76 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.240 in this introduction in the second edition about the amount 77 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.720 of time and effort you put into this. Tell us 78 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.120 a little bit about some of the work you'd put 79 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:41.759 into the first edition and now even more work in 80 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.240 research into the second edition, and tell us how you 81 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.680 came to be the author of the Murder of Biggie Small's. 82 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.920 Well digging Tupac was I'll try to keep it short, 83 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:59.000 but Tupac was killed in nineteen ninety six, shot in 84 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.920 the drive by killing and still unsolved six months later. 85 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.800 They were rivals and there was the famous East Coast 86 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.519 West Coast rapp war that the two of them were, 87 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.720 you know, rivals then. And six months later Biggie Smiles 88 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:18.279 was killed in a very similar fashion, almost almost to 89 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.439 a tea. It was almost intentional to make it look 90 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:29.319 like a drive by, similar to Tupac's. And and lots 91 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:33.160 of mistakes were made at the beginning, lots of confusion, 92 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:39.240 and and the rampart investigation of corruption at the l 93 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.600 A p D was going on at the time, and 94 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.800 they kind of had their hands full, and it never 95 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.920 the case. You know. I started interviewing people, of course 96 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.079 from day one, because you know, I had done the 97 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.199 Biggie the Tupac case, and it was just a natural 98 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:01.160 for me to go into that. And they wouldn't give 99 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:03.839 up the autopsy report the county won it. They wouldn't 100 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:07.519 give I mean, I interviewed detective after detective and went 101 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:13.439 to LA went to Van Parker Stentner, which was LAPD's headquarters, 102 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.360 and they just weren't coughing up any information. It was 103 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:22.879 odd to it almost felt like they didn't want to 104 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:30.199 solve it. I love challenge you know, I love a challenge, 105 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.720 so I go after it. So you know, I interviewed 106 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.839 a ton of people, a ton of people. 107 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.199 You talk about that you were working, you were in 108 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.120 the throes of writing about Tupac SHAKERR, your book about him, 109 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.480 while at the same time, this March ninth, ninety seven, 110 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:52.519 when Biggie Smalls was killed in this drive by shooting. 111 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.959 So let's talk about this March ninth, nineteen ninety seven. Uh, 112 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:04.680 just about the drive by itself, Christopher Wallace, but we 113 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:06.839 talk about we have to go back to the day 114 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.600 before and the awards show where he is booed on 115 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:14.879 a stage. So let's just go to that event, okay, 116 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.240 being booted, and then we can go backwards in time 117 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.839 to talk about secure uh Tupac and the shooting at 118 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.319 the Quad Studios, which seems to be the impetus for 119 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:27.800 all of. 120 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.879 This, right, Yeah, not the empetus for the murderers, but 121 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.199 the impetus for the East Coast West Coast rap or 122 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:40.199 it did start at Quad Studios. But as for the 123 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.800 day before, Biggie was supposed to be a presenter at 124 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.480 the Source Awards and he was, and lots of infamous 125 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:54.079 and famous rappers and uh, you know, just entertainment people 126 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:59.279 were there and you know, singers and performers, and he 127 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.519 usually got a warm welcome, you know, wherever he went, 128 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.399 and if he did, he was there with him his 129 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:10.279 his producer at the time. And he stood up and 130 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.240 he was excited to go, and he had told his 131 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.720 mother in a conversation, because I did interview his mother 132 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.800 and he got up and he was booed. But it 133 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:22.639 was California and they were you know, it was East 134 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.040 Coast West Coast rap War, and that was the result 135 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:31.000 of their alliance and allegiance the fans to Tupac and 136 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.559 there's Biggie from the East Coast and had been staying 137 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:38.720 there for a month, you know, recording with Puffy Combs, 138 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.360 and he was on their turf and they weren't happy. 139 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.399 So he just worked through it and tried not to 140 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.960 let it bother him. But it was almost an omen 141 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.279 of what was going to happen next. I don't believe 142 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.080 the East Coast West Coast rap War itself is part 143 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.000 of it, but I think it's up to cover up 144 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:01.399 the crime. 145 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:08.200 Mm hmm. Absolutely so. On this March ninety seven, you 146 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:13.440 talk about this Automotive Museum where this event is going 147 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:17.519 to be. So talk about the museum itself and then 148 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:19.799 about the plans for the after party. 149 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.279 Yeah, I went to the museum by the way, and 150 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.279 you know, went there. They were up on the second 151 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:34.559 floor I think. And it's just an automotive Peterson Automotive museum, 152 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.600 real close to Theater Sinai Hospital, like you know, just 153 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:42.399 a few blocks and where he ended up. But so 154 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.679 that it's weird because the parking lot you enter it 155 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.200 kind of on the side the end in front of 156 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.600 the entrance and part of the park. They went into 157 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:56.840 digging and his entourage three cars went in all suburban jams, 158 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.240 and they went into the parking garage. It was full, 159 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.200 so they kind of went down the street and parked 160 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.879 on the street. There were lots of LAPD off duty 161 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:10.559 cops there who were were seen before and after as 162 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:12.799 they were walking in and as they were walking out, 163 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.120 So they had to walk down the street and they 164 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.399 were very visible. You know, he was a big guy, 165 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.080 well known, and they always have an entourage with him, 166 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:26.360 you know, bodyguards and off duty police officers, worthy bodyguards, 167 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.559 and so they make quite a splash when they go 168 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.879 in and out so it's easy to be seen. And 169 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.759 then they had the party and the police break it 170 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.799 up at eleven o'clock or twelve o'clock whatever it was, 171 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.759 or firefighters break it up because it's two full. Too 172 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:46.320 many people are there, so they opened all the doors 173 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.440 and had everybody leave, and they walked out, you know, 174 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:55.120 there was a huge crowd and got into their car. 175 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.519 And in order to be able to or their vehicles 176 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.879 through these suburbans, and in order to be able for 177 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.000 someone to then pull up on the right of them 178 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.600 that I mean the person was watching, had someone on 179 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:12.960 the ground had to be telling him, okay, go, they're 180 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.159 there now. And then he was in the middle car. 181 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.840 Puffy Combs was in the one in front of him, 182 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:23.120 and they were to stop light, waiting to turn and 183 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:28.240 onto Wilship Boulevard. I believe Fairfax. I think they were 184 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:32.159 on and boom, boom boom. Car comes out, you know, 185 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.840 sticks out the window and shoots into the passenger's side 186 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.480 like Bonnie and Clyde, you know, rather a tat tat 187 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:45.919 all over the car. And I think it was I'd 188 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.600 have to remind myself. I think it was two bullets 189 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:54.120 set in him and of course it was a chess 190 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:54.879 one that did it. 191 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.840 M hm. Now what about the bodyguards you say they 192 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:01.799 used the. 193 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.799 Body who going in a car? Yeah, they were in 194 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.639 they were in a car Inglewood police. I think they 195 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.799 kind of got in trouble afterward. I interviewed the Inglewood 196 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:14.919 Police department too, that they head people and they weren't 197 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.960 in a car. They were in a car behind and 198 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.960 they took after supposedly they they left the scene and 199 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:30.039 took after the the It was an Impaula dark colored 200 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.639 in Paula s I forget what year and kind of 201 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.399 a vintage cherried carried out car and took off and 202 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.039 they didn't catch him. They took out out after him, 203 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.679 but they didn't catch him, which I found rather unusual 204 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:49.799 for police officers to haul after a vehicle right on 205 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:55.120 its tail and lost them. And uh, then, yeah, I 206 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.320 don't know if there's anything and that that you know, 207 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.559 the people you know who were who are a key 208 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:04.720 of one person at least there's another who was accused 209 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:08.080 of being a part of it and ordering it, hiring 210 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.320 the person to do it is was a police officer. 211 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.679 And and and there were l A p L A 212 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.480 p D. And there were l A p D officers 213 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:26.039 who you know, uh uh, Biggie's cousin remembered seeing them. 214 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.320 They all, you know, these guys were blood some of them, 215 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:31.759 and they were you know, members of the Piru Blood 216 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.799 street gang, and they're they're cops. You know, they were 217 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.360 cops on the l A p D Force, which is 218 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.639 sort of an interspersing of those sort of things they 219 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:50.639 do overlap unfortunately back then. Uh so it's all, you know, 220 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.159 it's it's it's as if though there were two there 221 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.039 were two police sketches as well. One was done from 222 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.039 from witness at the scene, a couple of them, and 223 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.879 the police schedule artist you know, did this drawing of 224 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:10.200 the shooter and it changed and a second drawing was 225 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:14.759 done with no name attributed to it. 226 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.120 Yeah, it's very interesting. You talk about too, that this 227 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:24.679 Orlando Anderson was spotted at this party. Now, right, who 228 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:25.879 is Orlando Anderson. 229 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:32.120 Orlando Anderson is the one police have said, the Compton 230 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.440 PD at the time that's now a defunct police department, 231 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.399 the game cops on the street. I spent a lot 232 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.519 of time with those game cops and they Orlando was 233 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:46.159 all over the place, bragging all over South Cedro that 234 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.120 he was he had shot Tupac. It's before Tupac died. 235 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.679 And then he stopped talking. He stops, you know, bragging, 236 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.519 but that he was the one who shot Tupac and 237 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.840 Orlando Anderson went to he lives in comp and lived 238 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.559 in Compton, went to l a, I'm sorry. I went 239 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.919 to Vegas with his homies and an uncle to see 240 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.120 the Mike Tyson fight. He didn't have a ticket to 241 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.440 get in, so he's waiting in a lobby near the 242 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.960 lobby for his friends to come back after it was over. 243 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.159 It was a real quick fight. Tupac and his entourage 244 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.759 saw him, spotted him leaning up against the wall while 245 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:33.279 you know, spotted Orlando. And Orlando they'd gotten into beef 246 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.879 with him two months earlier. One of Tupac's homies and 247 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:41.519 so Tupac and his friend and shouldn't I Tupac's producer, 248 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.000 all started beat him up. He was on the ground. 249 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.639 They're kicking him and pouncing on him. Orlando, you know, 250 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:56.080 did not want to press charges. And then six months 251 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:03.279 later he ends up at the Peterson Automotive Museum to 252 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:08.559 enjoy the party there that he was also Orlando had 253 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.879 a studio and Compton apparently in a garage and he 254 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.360 was starting to rap, and so he was trying to 255 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.240 hang out with rappers and that sort of thing. So 256 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:22.279 the motivation on his being there is coincidental. I think. 257 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.240 I don't think there was anything connect that. It was 258 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.480 just an odd circumstance. 259 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.799 Let's get to he didn't have anything to do. 260 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:40.399 Orlando didn't have anything to do with the murder of Biggie. 261 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.039 Okay, despite what the police have said. 262 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.279 Well, police they interviewed him because he was there or not. 263 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.279 You know, they looked into it, but there wasn't any 264 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.799 evidence that they did have evidence on someone else who 265 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.320 you know, who the shooter was and fand end of 266 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.960 the shooter who was there as well. So but they 267 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.599 did look at Orlando and came up empty as far 268 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:07.720 as Biggie Smalls were. 269 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.839 Let's talk about the Quad Studio shootings and the origins 270 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.759 of this East Coast West rivalry, because, as you write 271 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:25.039 in the book, Sean Puff Daddy became a mentor for 272 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.680 Biggie Smalls. But Tupac Shakur had already had was already 273 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.240 a successful rapper and had a career and was also 274 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:38.440 reportedly friends with Biggie Smalls. When Biggie Smalls was just beginning, 275 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.839 how does it get to the point where squad. 276 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:43.759 Go ahead? 277 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:49.039 Sorry, sorry, you talk about quad studios. At that time, 278 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.039 Puff Daddy and Biggie Smalls were at one of the floors, 279 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.079 probably the fifth floor, and there was five floors in 280 00:17:55.079 --> 00:18:00.839 this quad studios, and a person named Booker called Uh 281 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.039 called Tupac to be able to have him record for 282 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:10.200 somebody named Little Sean. So he was calling and calling 283 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.279 and finding out when Tupac could arrive with his entourage 284 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.559 and safely get him into the studio without any fans 285 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.960 interfering or anybody knowing that he was there. Tell us 286 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.680 more about this quad studio shooting. 287 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.039 Well, book Booker was, you know, he was on behalf 288 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:35.759 of Little Sean. You know, they Tupac had agreed to 289 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:40.519 do be a backup singer for him in one of 290 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.440 his songs. And it was something I think as as 291 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.759 you know that they do for other fellow you know, 292 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.680 fellow rappers and performers. They perform on each other's records. 293 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.480 That makes them, you know, makes the record sell. And 294 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.160 so Tupac was late and he had his cousin with him, 295 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.359 and I think the five guys, four guys. But they 296 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.440 he was late, you know, he was very late to 297 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:08.920 the studio. And they had rented you know, Booker had 298 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:13.240 rented studio times. So when you're not at his studio 299 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.519 on time, you're you're paying for it. And so he 300 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:19.240 kept calling, you know, kept calling to Puck, where are you? 301 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.200 Where are you? It wasn't because they am to set 302 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:23.680 you up and try to get you killed, you know, 303 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:26.400 or shot. It wasn't that. It was that he was 304 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:29.720 anxious where they had kuzzi because they had a studio 305 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.039 time and and and you know, time is money at 306 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:34.160 a recording studio. 307 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:35.160 And so he. 308 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:39.400 Finally came up, and and Biggie Smalls happened to be 309 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:48.240 there with his backup crew, you know, recording with and 310 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.200 and Puffy Combs was their Seawan Combs was there, his 311 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:58.000 record producer and and so Tupac didn't know Biggie was 312 00:19:58.079 --> 00:19:59.960 going to be there, but that doesn't matter. It was 313 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.240 the popular you know, it was a popular recording studio 314 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:09.200 for rap artists. So so Tupac gets there. They're wearing jewelry. 315 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.759 He and his buddies are wearing jewelry all over their necks. 316 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.480 Hanging off of it. And this from everything I can surmise. 317 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.599 I went to went to KLUD Studios, interviewed and manager there. 318 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.440 I also went to the Manhattan Police station that was 319 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.720 you know, and that was investigating the case. They only 320 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.720 investigated it for a week and there just wasn't they 321 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.400 didn't have any evidence. There was a camera there and 322 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.440 the lobby at KLUD Studios, but didn't have any film 323 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.680 in and which is typical for places. It wasn't like 324 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.200 they had it the day before and they took it 325 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:50.799 out that day. But Biggie, you know, Tupac was in 326 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:53.240 the middle of a rape case as well and had 327 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:59.720 to appear in court the next day. And he felt 328 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.880 like once he got shot, you know, so he's in quad, 329 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:08.079 he's in, he's in. He shot himself, you know that, right, 330 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:09.599 Tupac shot himself. 331 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:10.599 Right. 332 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.039 Tubac had a gun in his belt that was loaded 333 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.200 and you know, in his pants belt and he didn't 334 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.240 have it in his pocket or in a hoster. It 335 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.279 was in his pants belt, you know, in his pants 336 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:25.640 basically with the you know, the belt holding it up. 337 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.599 And during the scuffle where these guys see them, they 338 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.200 see them. I think this is everything I've gotten is 339 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.319 they're walking on the street about to go into the 340 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.720 lobby of Quad Studios, and these guys see them, and 341 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.839 they've got all this gold all over them, and they 342 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.599 follow them into the lobby and start ripping their jewelry 343 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.799 off of them, just start yanking the jewelry off. And 344 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.599 those guys were not and correct me if I'm wrong. 345 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.359 It's been you know, it's a lot of information, but 346 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.680 I don't believe those guys were armed. If they were, 347 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:07.119 they didn't shoot the bad guys and Tupac and I 348 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.319 think it was his cousin trying to get his gun, 349 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.400 or he was getting his gun and his cousin was 350 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.119 trying to stop him or something. Anyway, Tupac's gun went 351 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:19.720 off right into his groin, you know, and he lost 352 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.319 the you know, he lost the testicle because of it. 353 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.680 And and so he's shot, but not not fatally or anything, 354 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:28.960 but it's an injury, a bad injury. And they go 355 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.119 to the lobby and they're buzzy buzzy. The guys take off. 356 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:33.599 Who did this to them? 357 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:34.079 All? 358 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:38.160 They're thirty five thousand dollars worth of jewelry's gone, and 359 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.359 they it was like late at night eleven thirty, So 360 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.839 there weren't you know, it's Time Square, but not the 361 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:50.359 middle of Times Square, and they get buzzed up and 362 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:55.319 and Tupauc is just pissed, you know, he's angry, and 363 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.720 and he sees he sees Biggie there and and you know, 364 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.680 they're they're all. You can see him afterwards from a 365 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.680 TV camera milling around out front Claud Studios when police 366 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.640 were there too. And so then the next day Tupac 367 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.640 goes to court and ends up in jail pending this 368 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:21.759 rape trial. And from months earlier, and he's in jail, 369 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.480 he's told, hey, hey, Biggie set you up. Biggie was there, 370 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.000 He's the one who he did. And Tupac believed it. 371 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.920 He believed that Biggie Smalls and Sean Combs set him 372 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.160 up to be shot at Claud Studios, even though it 373 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.880 was just it looked like a rob a robbery opportunity. 374 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:43.240 It was a robbery of jewelry, and nobody knew. Nobody 375 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:46.079 could give a good description in any of the guys 376 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:52.200 who pulled off the robbery. Couldn't. There was no no 377 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.759 no one. There were nobodies, no one. Any of the 378 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.839 people were associated with, but that's what's parked the hip 379 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:05.359 hop wara. And that's when Biggie and Tupac became real 380 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.920 rivals instead of buddies and Tupac bringing him up on 381 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.519 the stage, which he often did. Tupac ut Biggie on 382 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.319 the stake. He helped make him famous, and Biggie was upset, 383 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.519 you know, about the whole thing. And because he didn't 384 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.039 have anything to do with at all, evidence points to 385 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.880 you know him not and the police didn't pursue the case. 386 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.799 The initially I thought it was different, but that it wasn't. 387 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.400 They didn't pursue the robbery case because they had nothing 388 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.680 to go on, nothing, and they pursued it for a 389 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.480 week and two and then Tupac won it. Talked to 390 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:46.640 them and they said they dropped it because you know, 391 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.880 the victim want it cooperate, but you know, victims died. 392 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.480 You don't have to have the cooperation of the victim, 393 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.359 as you know, to investigate a case dead victim. You 394 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.400 don't not cover a murder because the victims daddy and 395 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.880 can't cooperate. But there wasn't anything to go on and 396 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.759 they would have been spinning their nail on their heels. 397 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.640 I mean I don't know if they checked any pawn 398 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.599 shops to see if they could find the jewelry. A 399 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.000 lot of it was pretty prominent, prominently known, like the 400 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.640 death Row gold medallion, things like that, and there was 401 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.519