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Speaker 5: Good evening. In this second edition of The Murder of
Speaker 5: Biggie Smalls, Kathy Scott delves behind the scenes to pore
Speaker 5: over police records, coroner reports, FBI files, and interviews Biggie's mother,
Speaker 5: Voletta Wallace to reveal new facts surrounding the gangster rappers murder.
Speaker 5: The Notorious Big exploded onto the hip hop scene in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five with his platinum selling album Ready to Die.
Speaker 5: Biggie Smalls born Christopher Wallace and performing as a Notorious Big,
Speaker 5: grew up in the Bedstye neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York,
Speaker 5: where he dropped out of high school to pursue street
Speaker 5: culture in his rapping style. Biggie began m seeing his
Speaker 5: original raps, which were discovered by producer Sean Patty Combs,
Speaker 5: who took Biggie's gangsta image to the next level. Fame
Speaker 5: followed two successful rap albums earning millions of dollars, a
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six Billboard Rapper of the Year award, marriage
Speaker 5: to R and B singer Faith Evans, a public affair
Speaker 5: with rapper Little Kim, and hanging out with Tupac Shakur.
Speaker 5: The high life for Biggie tragically ended March ninth, nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety seven, after a Los Angeles post Awards party, where
Speaker 5: he was gunned down in a drive by, much like
Speaker 5: friend turn enemy Shakur six months earlier. Twenty four years later,
Speaker 5: LA police still have made no arrests, despite their early
Speaker 5: confidence that the case would be solved quickly, and after
Speaker 5: revealing identities of persons of interest who worked for the
Speaker 5: police department, they dropped the investigation before it ended, stalling
Speaker 5: the case. Best selling true crime author Kathy Scott shares
Speaker 5: it all in this second edition. Books were featuring this
Speaker 5: evening as the Murder of Biggie Small's the second Edition,
Speaker 5: with my guest journalist and investigative investigative journalists and author
Speaker 5: Kathy Scott. Welcome back to the program, and thank you
Speaker 5: so much for this interview Kathy Scott.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Dan, happy to be here.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining me again. And it
Speaker 5: has been a fair amount of time since we've spoken
Speaker 5: to you. I want to ask you you talk about
Speaker 5: in this introduction in the second edition about the amount
Speaker 5: of time and effort you put into this. Tell us
Speaker 5: a little bit about some of the work you'd put
Speaker 5: into the first edition and now even more work in
Speaker 5: research into the second edition, and tell us how you
Speaker 5: came to be the author of the Murder of Biggie Small's.
Speaker 3: Well digging Tupac was I'll try to keep it short,
Speaker 3: but Tupac was killed in nineteen ninety six, shot in
Speaker 3: the drive by killing and still unsolved six months later.
Speaker 3: They were rivals and there was the famous East Coast
Speaker 3: West Coast rapp war that the two of them were,
Speaker 3: you know, rivals then. And six months later Biggie Smiles
Speaker 3: was killed in a very similar fashion, almost almost to
Speaker 3: a tea. It was almost intentional to make it look
Speaker 3: like a drive by, similar to Tupac's. And and lots
Speaker 3: of mistakes were made at the beginning, lots of confusion,
Speaker 3: and and the rampart investigation of corruption at the l
Speaker 3: A p D was going on at the time, and
Speaker 3: they kind of had their hands full, and it never
Speaker 3: the case. You know. I started interviewing people, of course
Speaker 3: from day one, because you know, I had done the
Speaker 3: Biggie the Tupac case, and it was just a natural
Speaker 3: for me to go into that. And they wouldn't give
Speaker 3: up the autopsy report the county won it. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: give I mean, I interviewed detective after detective and went
Speaker 3: to LA went to Van Parker Stentner, which was LAPD's headquarters,
Speaker 3: and they just weren't coughing up any information. It was
Speaker 3: odd to it almost felt like they didn't want to
Speaker 3: solve it. I love challenge you know, I love a challenge,
Speaker 3: so I go after it. So you know, I interviewed
Speaker 3: a ton of people, a ton of people.
Speaker 5: You talk about that you were working, you were in
Speaker 5: the throes of writing about Tupac SHAKERR, your book about him,
Speaker 5: while at the same time, this March ninth, ninety seven,
Speaker 5: when Biggie Smalls was killed in this drive by shooting.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about this March ninth, nineteen ninety seven. Uh,
Speaker 5: just about the drive by itself, Christopher Wallace, but we
Speaker 5: talk about we have to go back to the day
Speaker 5: before and the awards show where he is booed on
Speaker 5: a stage. So let's just go to that event, okay,
Speaker 5: being booted, and then we can go backwards in time
Speaker 5: to talk about secure uh Tupac and the shooting at
Speaker 5: the Quad Studios, which seems to be the impetus for
Speaker 5: all of.
Speaker 3: This, right, Yeah, not the empetus for the murderers, but
Speaker 3: the impetus for the East Coast West Coast rap or
Speaker 3: it did start at Quad Studios. But as for the
Speaker 3: day before, Biggie was supposed to be a presenter at
Speaker 3: the Source Awards and he was, and lots of infamous
Speaker 3: and famous rappers and uh, you know, just entertainment people
Speaker 3: were there and you know, singers and performers, and he
Speaker 3: usually got a warm welcome, you know, wherever he went,
Speaker 3: and if he did, he was there with him his
Speaker 3: his producer at the time. And he stood up and
Speaker 3: he was excited to go, and he had told his
Speaker 3: mother in a conversation, because I did interview his mother
Speaker 3: and he got up and he was booed. But it
Speaker 3: was California and they were you know, it was East
Speaker 3: Coast West Coast rap War, and that was the result
Speaker 3: of their alliance and allegiance the fans to Tupac and
Speaker 3: there's Biggie from the East Coast and had been staying
Speaker 3: there for a month, you know, recording with Puffy Combs,
Speaker 3: and he was on their turf and they weren't happy.
Speaker 3: So he just worked through it and tried not to
Speaker 3: let it bother him. But it was almost an omen
Speaker 3: of what was going to happen next. I don't believe
Speaker 3: the East Coast West Coast rap War itself is part
Speaker 3: of it, but I think it's up to cover up
Speaker 3: the crime.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Absolutely so. On this March ninety seven, you
Speaker 5: talk about this Automotive Museum where this event is going
Speaker 5: to be. So talk about the museum itself and then
Speaker 5: about the plans for the after party.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to the museum by the way, and
Speaker 3: you know, went there. They were up on the second
Speaker 3: floor I think. And it's just an automotive Peterson Automotive museum,
Speaker 3: real close to Theater Sinai Hospital, like you know, just
Speaker 3: a few blocks and where he ended up. But so
Speaker 3: that it's weird because the parking lot you enter it
Speaker 3: kind of on the side the end in front of
Speaker 3: the entrance and part of the park. They went into
Speaker 3: digging and his entourage three cars went in all suburban jams,
Speaker 3: and they went into the parking garage. It was full,
Speaker 3: so they kind of went down the street and parked
Speaker 3: on the street. There were lots of LAPD off duty
Speaker 3: cops there who were were seen before and after as
Speaker 3: they were walking in and as they were walking out,
Speaker 3: So they had to walk down the street and they
Speaker 3: were very visible. You know, he was a big guy,
Speaker 3: well known, and they always have an entourage with him,
Speaker 3: you know, bodyguards and off duty police officers, worthy bodyguards,
Speaker 3: and so they make quite a splash when they go
Speaker 3: in and out so it's easy to be seen. And
Speaker 3: then they had the party and the police break it
Speaker 3: up at eleven o'clock or twelve o'clock whatever it was,
Speaker 3: or firefighters break it up because it's two full. Too
Speaker 3: many people are there, so they opened all the doors
Speaker 3: and had everybody leave, and they walked out, you know,
Speaker 3: there was a huge crowd and got into their car.
Speaker 3: And in order to be able to or their vehicles
Speaker 3: through these suburbans, and in order to be able for
Speaker 3: someone to then pull up on the right of them
Speaker 3: that I mean the person was watching, had someone on
Speaker 3: the ground had to be telling him, okay, go, they're
Speaker 3: there now. And then he was in the middle car.
Speaker 3: Puffy Combs was in the one in front of him,
Speaker 3: and they were to stop light, waiting to turn and
Speaker 3: onto Wilship Boulevard. I believe Fairfax. I think they were
Speaker 3: on and boom, boom boom. Car comes out, you know,
Speaker 3: sticks out the window and shoots into the passenger's side
Speaker 3: like Bonnie and Clyde, you know, rather a tat tat
Speaker 3: all over the car. And I think it was I'd
Speaker 3: have to remind myself. I think it was two bullets
Speaker 3: set in him and of course it was a chess
Speaker 3: one that did it.
Speaker 5: M hm. Now what about the bodyguards you say they
Speaker 5: used the.
Speaker 3: Body who going in a car? Yeah, they were in
Speaker 3: they were in a car Inglewood police. I think they
Speaker 3: kind of got in trouble afterward. I interviewed the Inglewood
Speaker 3: Police department too, that they head people and they weren't
Speaker 3: in a car. They were in a car behind and
Speaker 3: they took after supposedly they they left the scene and
Speaker 3: took after the the It was an Impaula dark colored
Speaker 3: in Paula s I forget what year and kind of
Speaker 3: a vintage cherried carried out car and took off and
Speaker 3: they didn't catch him. They took out out after him,
Speaker 3: but they didn't catch him, which I found rather unusual
Speaker 3: for police officers to haul after a vehicle right on
Speaker 3: its tail and lost them. And uh, then, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's anything and that that you know,
Speaker 3: the people you know who were who are a key
Speaker 3: of one person at least there's another who was accused
Speaker 3: of being a part of it and ordering it, hiring
Speaker 3: the person to do it is was a police officer.
Speaker 3: And and and there were l A p L A
Speaker 3: p D. And there were l A p D officers
Speaker 3: who you know, uh uh, Biggie's cousin remembered seeing them.
Speaker 3: They all, you know, these guys were blood some of them,
Speaker 3: and they were you know, members of the Piru Blood
Speaker 3: street gang, and they're they're cops. You know, they were
Speaker 3: cops on the l A p D Force, which is
Speaker 3: sort of an interspersing of those sort of things they
Speaker 3: do overlap unfortunately back then. Uh so it's all, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's as if though there were two there
Speaker 3: were two police sketches as well. One was done from
Speaker 3: from witness at the scene, a couple of them, and
Speaker 3: the police schedule artist you know, did this drawing of
Speaker 3: the shooter and it changed and a second drawing was
Speaker 3: done with no name attributed to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very interesting. You talk about too, that this
Speaker 5: Orlando Anderson was spotted at this party. Now, right, who
Speaker 5: is Orlando Anderson.
Speaker 3: Orlando Anderson is the one police have said, the Compton
Speaker 3: PD at the time that's now a defunct police department,
Speaker 3: the game cops on the street. I spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time with those game cops and they Orlando was
Speaker 3: all over the place, bragging all over South Cedro that
Speaker 3: he was he had shot Tupac. It's before Tupac died.
Speaker 3: And then he stopped talking. He stops, you know, bragging,
Speaker 3: but that he was the one who shot Tupac and
Speaker 3: Orlando Anderson went to he lives in comp and lived
Speaker 3: in Compton, went to l a, I'm sorry. I went
Speaker 3: to Vegas with his homies and an uncle to see
Speaker 3: the Mike Tyson fight. He didn't have a ticket to
Speaker 3: get in, so he's waiting in a lobby near the
Speaker 3: lobby for his friends to come back after it was over.
Speaker 3: It was a real quick fight. Tupac and his entourage
Speaker 3: saw him, spotted him leaning up against the wall while
Speaker 3: you know, spotted Orlando. And Orlando they'd gotten into beef
Speaker 3: with him two months earlier. One of Tupac's homies and
Speaker 3: so Tupac and his friend and shouldn't I Tupac's producer,
Speaker 3: all started beat him up. He was on the ground.
Speaker 3: They're kicking him and pouncing on him. Orlando, you know,
Speaker 3: did not want to press charges. And then six months
Speaker 3: later he ends up at the Peterson Automotive Museum to
Speaker 3: enjoy the party there that he was also Orlando had
Speaker 3: a studio and Compton apparently in a garage and he
Speaker 3: was starting to rap, and so he was trying to
Speaker 3: hang out with rappers and that sort of thing. So
Speaker 3: the motivation on his being there is coincidental. I think.
Speaker 3: I don't think there was anything connect that. It was
Speaker 3: just an odd circumstance.
Speaker 5: Let's get to he didn't have anything to do.
Speaker 3: Orlando didn't have anything to do with the murder of Biggie.
Speaker 5: Okay, despite what the police have said.
Speaker 3: Well, police they interviewed him because he was there or not.
Speaker 3: You know, they looked into it, but there wasn't any
Speaker 3: evidence that they did have evidence on someone else who
Speaker 3: you know, who the shooter was and fand end of
Speaker 3: the shooter who was there as well. So but they
Speaker 3: did look at Orlando and came up empty as far
Speaker 3: as Biggie Smalls were.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the Quad Studio shootings and the origins
Speaker 5: of this East Coast West rivalry, because, as you write
Speaker 5: in the book, Sean Puff Daddy became a mentor for
Speaker 5: Biggie Smalls. But Tupac Shakur had already had was already
Speaker 5: a successful rapper and had a career and was also
Speaker 5: reportedly friends with Biggie Smalls. When Biggie Smalls was just beginning,
Speaker 5: how does it get to the point where squad.
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, you talk about quad studios. At that time,
Speaker 5: Puff Daddy and Biggie Smalls were at one of the floors,
Speaker 5: probably the fifth floor, and there was five floors in
Speaker 5: this quad studios, and a person named Booker called Uh
Speaker 5: called Tupac to be able to have him record for
Speaker 5: somebody named Little Sean. So he was calling and calling
Speaker 5: and finding out when Tupac could arrive with his entourage
Speaker 5: and safely get him into the studio without any fans
Speaker 5: interfering or anybody knowing that he was there. Tell us
Speaker 5: more about this quad studio shooting.
Speaker 3: Well, book Booker was, you know, he was on behalf
Speaker 3: of Little Sean. You know, they Tupac had agreed to
Speaker 3: do be a backup singer for him in one of
Speaker 3: his songs. And it was something I think as as
Speaker 3: you know that they do for other fellow you know,
Speaker 3: fellow rappers and performers. They perform on each other's records.
Speaker 3: That makes them, you know, makes the record sell. And
Speaker 3: so Tupac was late and he had his cousin with him,
Speaker 3: and I think the five guys, four guys. But they
Speaker 3: he was late, you know, he was very late to
Speaker 3: the studio. And they had rented you know, Booker had
Speaker 3: rented studio times. So when you're not at his studio
Speaker 3: on time, you're you're paying for it. And so he
Speaker 3: kept calling, you know, kept calling to Puck, where are you?
Speaker 3: Where are you? It wasn't because they am to set
Speaker 3: you up and try to get you killed, you know,
Speaker 3: or shot. It wasn't that. It was that he was
Speaker 3: anxious where they had kuzzi because they had a studio
Speaker 3: time and and and you know, time is money at
Speaker 3: a recording studio.
Speaker 2: And so he.
Speaker 3: Finally came up, and and Biggie Smalls happened to be
Speaker 3: there with his backup crew, you know, recording with and
Speaker 3: and Puffy Combs was their Seawan Combs was there, his
Speaker 3: record producer and and so Tupac didn't know Biggie was
Speaker 3: going to be there, but that doesn't matter. It was
Speaker 3: the popular you know, it was a popular recording studio
Speaker 3: for rap artists. So so Tupac gets there. They're wearing jewelry.
Speaker 3: He and his buddies are wearing jewelry all over their necks.
Speaker 3: Hanging off of it. And this from everything I can surmise.
Speaker 3: I went to went to KLUD Studios, interviewed and manager there.
Speaker 3: I also went to the Manhattan Police station that was
Speaker 3: you know, and that was investigating the case. They only
Speaker 3: investigated it for a week and there just wasn't they
Speaker 3: didn't have any evidence. There was a camera there and
Speaker 3: the lobby at KLUD Studios, but didn't have any film
Speaker 3: in and which is typical for places. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: they had it the day before and they took it
Speaker 3: out that day. But Biggie, you know, Tupac was in
Speaker 3: the middle of a rape case as well and had
Speaker 3: to appear in court the next day. And he felt
Speaker 3: like once he got shot, you know, so he's in quad,
Speaker 3: he's in, he's in. He shot himself, you know that, right,
Speaker 3: Tupac shot himself.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Tubac had a gun in his belt that was loaded
Speaker 3: and you know, in his pants belt and he didn't
Speaker 3: have it in his pocket or in a hoster. It
Speaker 3: was in his pants belt, you know, in his pants
Speaker 3: basically with the you know, the belt holding it up.
Speaker 3: And during the scuffle where these guys see them, they
Speaker 3: see them. I think this is everything I've gotten is
Speaker 3: they're walking on the street about to go into the
Speaker 3: lobby of Quad Studios, and these guys see them, and
Speaker 3: they've got all this gold all over them, and they
Speaker 3: follow them into the lobby and start ripping their jewelry
Speaker 3: off of them, just start yanking the jewelry off. And
Speaker 3: those guys were not and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: It's been you know, it's a lot of information, but
Speaker 3: I don't believe those guys were armed. If they were,
Speaker 3: they didn't shoot the bad guys and Tupac and I
Speaker 3: think it was his cousin trying to get his gun,
Speaker 3: or he was getting his gun and his cousin was
Speaker 3: trying to stop him or something. Anyway, Tupac's gun went
Speaker 3: off right into his groin, you know, and he lost
Speaker 3: the you know, he lost the testicle because of it.
Speaker 3: And and so he's shot, but not not fatally or anything,
Speaker 3: but it's an injury, a bad injury. And they go
Speaker 3: to the lobby and they're buzzy buzzy. The guys take off.
Speaker 3: Who did this to them?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 3: They're thirty five thousand dollars worth of jewelry's gone, and
Speaker 3: they it was like late at night eleven thirty, So
Speaker 3: there weren't you know, it's Time Square, but not the
Speaker 3: middle of Times Square, and they get buzzed up and
Speaker 3: and Tupauc is just pissed, you know, he's angry, and
Speaker 3: and he sees he sees Biggie there and and you know,
Speaker 3: they're they're all. You can see him afterwards from a
Speaker 3: TV camera milling around out front Claud Studios when police
Speaker 3: were there too. And so then the next day Tupac
Speaker 3: goes to court and ends up in jail pending this
Speaker 3: rape trial. And from months earlier, and he's in jail,
Speaker 3: he's told, hey, hey, Biggie set you up. Biggie was there,
Speaker 3: He's the one who he did. And Tupac believed it.
Speaker 3: He believed that Biggie Smalls and Sean Combs set him
Speaker 3: up to be shot at Claud Studios, even though it
Speaker 3: was just it looked like a rob a robbery opportunity.
Speaker 3: It was a robbery of jewelry, and nobody knew. Nobody
Speaker 3: could give a good description in any of the guys
Speaker 3: who pulled off the robbery. Couldn't. There was no no
Speaker 3: no one. There were nobodies, no one. Any of the
Speaker 3: people were associated with, but that's what's parked the hip
Speaker 3: hop wara. And that's when Biggie and Tupac became real
Speaker 3: rivals instead of buddies and Tupac bringing him up on
Speaker 3: the stage, which he often did. Tupac ut Biggie on
Speaker 3: the stake. He helped make him famous, and Biggie was upset,
Speaker 3: you know, about the whole thing. And because he didn't
Speaker 3: have anything to do with at all, evidence points to
Speaker 3: you know him not and the police didn't pursue the case.
Speaker 3: The initially I thought it was different, but that it wasn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't pursue the robbery case because they had nothing
Speaker 3: to go on, nothing, and they pursued it for a
Speaker 3: week and two and then Tupac won it. Talked to
Speaker 3: them and they said they dropped it because you know,
Speaker 3: the victim want it cooperate, but you know, victims died.
Speaker 3: You don't have to have the cooperation of the victim,
Speaker 3: as you know, to investigate a case dead victim. You
Speaker 3: don't not cover a murder because the victims daddy and
Speaker 3: can't cooperate. But there wasn't anything to go on and
Speaker 3: they would have been spinning their nail on their heels.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't know if they checked any pawn
Speaker 3: shops to see if they could find the jewelry. A
Speaker 3: lot of it was pretty prominent, prominently known, like the
Speaker 3: death Row gold medallion, things like that, and there was
Speaker 3: always a bounty on one of those. But I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody intended to kill Tupac that night. You know,
Speaker 3: the only gunshot fired was was his. But that's, you know,
Speaker 3: the beginning, that that was it for the East coast,
Speaker 3: West coast, that's where it began.
Speaker 5: Now, you're right, the Tupac is publicly claiming that Puff
Speaker 5: Daddy and Biggie Small's had something to do with this ambush,
Speaker 5: and Biggie Smalls is denying this, and Biggie even visited
Speaker 5: Tupac in the hospital right after this, So very very interesting. Now,
Speaker 5: while publicly that's going on, and in the East Coast,
Speaker 5: West Coast, Biggie Small is considered East coast, and of
Speaker 5: course Tupac is considered West coast. So in September of
Speaker 5: ninety six in Vegas, tell us about Tupac is supposed
Speaker 5: to attend a Mike Well does attend a Mike Tyson
Speaker 5: Bruce Selden heavyweight boxing match in Vegas again was supposed
Speaker 5: to happen afterwards, Well.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to perform at Club sixty six two,
Speaker 3: and it was all over the radio locally, and flyers
Speaker 3: were everywhere, so everybody knew about it that that's what
Speaker 3: they were going to Club six six two. And after
Speaker 3: Tupac and his his his buddies, his entourage beat up
Speaker 3: on Orlando Anderson. Then Orlando Anderson, you know, as everything
Speaker 3: I've learned shows, and they did. They did drive to
Speaker 3: Vegas and a white a rented white Cadillac, and the
Speaker 3: gunman's arm, you know, came out of that white Cadillac,
Speaker 3: and so Orlando and those guys kept going back and forth.
Speaker 3: They went down to Club six six two waiting for
Speaker 3: the white Cadillac, Orlando and his homies waiting for cupacin
Speaker 3: and and Shug Night to show up. And they did it.
Speaker 3: And there was a line around Club sixty six two
Speaker 3: for people waiting to get in, and all the bodyguards
Speaker 3: were down there, and only one was with the entourage
Speaker 3: driving to it. And so had the shooting occurred at
Speaker 3: Quad Studios, which is apparently where they wanted to do it,
Speaker 3: there would have been a lot of people shot because
Speaker 3: so many people, it would have been a melee, you know.
Speaker 3: And instead they were circling and they saw Tupac and
Speaker 3: you know, his his at one point he was standing
Speaker 3: up in the in there in the BMW, you know,
Speaker 3: he was sitting with shig Nai and Tupac was was
Speaker 3: riding shotgun and he at one point stood up in
Speaker 3: the in the sun roof of the of the car,
Speaker 3: and so you know, the windows are down his music's plane.
Speaker 3: And they you know, they had a big entourage, you know,
Speaker 3: lots of cars four or five behind them, so they
Speaker 3: weren't hiding who they were. And and uh, Orlando and
Speaker 3: his homies came up on them on the street and
Speaker 3: it's just you know, just one straight, you know, two
Speaker 3: mile trip from Flamingo where they were, and they were
Speaker 3: just circling, coming back and forth on Flamingo to get
Speaker 3: you know, waiting for him, and they happened to see him,
Speaker 3: and so that's when they opened fire and got him,
Speaker 3: you know, and open fire into the passenger. The wind
Speaker 3: those were down, so they could see who it was.
Speaker 3: They were aiming for Tupac, but you know, shig was
Speaker 3: on the other side, and I think they're probably aiming
Speaker 3: for him as well, because he was beating up Orlando. Also,
Speaker 3: you know she'd participated in the beating of Orlando. You
Speaker 3: have to look at gang mentality and there's nothing nothing
Speaker 3: organized about. It is quite disorganized. But it's a two
Speaker 3: for you did this for me, You did this to me,
Speaker 3: I do this to you. You know. They beat him up.
Speaker 3: Then they went and they retaliated. That's what they do,
Speaker 3: street justice, they call it. There's nothing, you know, anything
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. It was just a moment they retaliated
Speaker 3: against him and killed him.
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Speaker 5: to hire. Now you we were just talking about the
Speaker 5: murder of Tupac Shakur after this boxing match in Vegas
Speaker 5: and Orlando Anderson, as you mentioned, is the person with
Speaker 5: the motive m but there is talk that sud Night
Speaker 5: is the actual target. Suld Knight is the actual target
Speaker 5: of these people. The fastens that evening tell us what
Speaker 5: happens after this shooting.
Speaker 3: Well, there were rumors that that Should was and uh,
Speaker 3: but you know Tupac was. You know, the window was unrolled,
Speaker 3: so it was obvious who they were shooting. They knew
Speaker 3: who they were shooting at. And to Should was next
Speaker 3: to him. Should did get a piece of shrapnel and
Speaker 3: in the base of the skull, top of his neck.
Speaker 3: So he did go to the hospital as well. And
Speaker 3: so they should they they Should runs in his car.
Speaker 3: They leave to get away, and the Cadillac goes in
Speaker 3: another direction, and two police officers were on the scene
Speaker 3: and up up above, two bike cops up above their
Speaker 3: parking garage right there, saw it and ran down. They
Speaker 3: left the scene of the crime, the shooting. They heard
Speaker 3: the shooting because they were right there, and they followed
Speaker 3: Shig's car and he ended up going up on the median,
Speaker 3: getting flat tires, hitting Las Vegas Boulevard and the strip
Speaker 3: and ended up two blocks away on this strip. In
Speaker 3: the meantime, you know, cars are driving all over the
Speaker 3: crime scene and the Cadillac takes off and disappears, never
Speaker 3: to be seen again. And so Shugar ends up at
Speaker 3: the hospital overnight. Tupac of course, is in the trauma unit,
Speaker 3: and then Shig does visit uh Tupac during during the
Speaker 3: week he's and the police did not go to Shug
Speaker 3: Knight's room to interview him, and he checked out the
Speaker 3: next morning and they didn't interview him for it was
Speaker 3: weeks and Tupac never regained consciousness. He was in a
Speaker 3: coma the entire time, so police were not able to
Speaker 3: interview him. But there was lots of talk, and especially
Speaker 3: because the East Coast West Coast Rap War, Biggie was
Speaker 3: accused as well as being a part of it, what
Speaker 3: had to be Biggie because of the East Coast Rap
Speaker 3: Rap War, East Coast West Coast Rap War, and the
Speaker 3: media and the music industry really hyped that up and
Speaker 3: it sold records, you know, the East Coast West Coast
Speaker 3: Rap War, and so that, of course, fans and all
Speaker 3: kinds of people were surmising they're all kinds of conspiracy theories,
Speaker 3: you know, surrounding Tupac's murder and then six months later,
Speaker 3: you know, Biggie smallsket gets killed. Well, it must have
Speaker 3: something to do with the East Coast West Coast rap War,
Speaker 3: which the people who shot him, the person who shot him.
Speaker 3: I think that's what was intended to try to make
Speaker 3: it look like it was connected. But it was connected
Speaker 3: by the people who knew. But it wasn't any valiation
Speaker 3: or anything like that, because that was should Knight was
Speaker 3: accused of it being, you know, for it being a
Speaker 3: retaliation for Biggie's Biggie for Tupac's murder, but it wasn't retaliation,
Speaker 3: but it certainly was. You know, I think that Biggie
Speaker 3: Smalls was Tupac's biggest rival. You know, Tupac helped make
Speaker 3: him famous. But after Tupac died and Biggie just you know,
Speaker 3: Tupac had a lot of music that was was unreleased
Speaker 3: and so that has come out since and he continued
Speaker 3: to stay very high in in in the sales. But
Speaker 3: Biggie was just flying high, you know, after that, and
Speaker 3: you want to take out one of your rivals and
Speaker 3: Tupac music kill him, you know, that appears to be
Speaker 3: what happened from everything I found.
Speaker 5: Wow incredible. Was a rumor though, after Biggie Smalls was killed,
Speaker 5: that the investigators found a financial dispute with a member
Speaker 5: of the South Side Crips. Tell us about this theory
Speaker 5: about this unpaid security bill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that seemed sort of viable for a little while,
Speaker 3: but it didn't pan out. They kind of what Biggie
Speaker 3: when they were in LA for thirty days for about
Speaker 3: a month, going from a hotel to hotel because they
Speaker 3: they were getting kicked out of the hotels, moving around
Speaker 3: a lot in La. But he hung out at the
Speaker 3: mob Pi you know, or I'm sorry that cripsh park.
Speaker 3: You know, they played basketball. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: the the Gsters do, the gang members did. Bigg He
Speaker 3: was hanging out at parks, buddy and buddying up with them,
Speaker 3: plus Crips members. His record producer Sean Combs hired bodyguards
Speaker 3: who were Crypts members of the Streat King, the Crypts
Speaker 3: Street King as bodyguards. And you know, they're not trained bodyguards.
Speaker 3: You know, some of them might be muscular. I don't know.
Speaker 3: They come in all sizes, but for some reason he
Speaker 3: hired them for bodyguarding and Seawan Combes wasn't paying the bill,
Speaker 3: and that that was true, that he wasn't paying them,
Speaker 3: and so the rumor was that, you know, and Biggie
Speaker 3: was budding up with them. They didn't appreciate it because
Speaker 3: you know, he was from the east, from the East
Speaker 3: Coast and they were on the West coast and the
Speaker 3: rap War and they they to get to to Combs
Speaker 3: for not paying the bills. They took out Biggie, but
Speaker 3: that wouldn't make sense because they that wanted to have
Speaker 3: given them any money. You know, it doesn't even make
Speaker 3: sense why they would do it. And it was pretty
Speaker 3: pretty orchestrated the way the thing went down, and gang
Speaker 3: members or anything but organized in orchestra to pull that
Speaker 3: off at the Pietersturn Automative Museum. So but that that
Speaker 3: was investigated and then it tan out.
Speaker 5: Now, how do by November two and eighteen, you write
Speaker 5: that retired FBI special Agent Philip Carson said he had
Speaker 5: enough evidence in two thousand and three to file charges
Speaker 5: against two officers with LAPD over the killing of Biggie Smalls.
Speaker 3: Right, and that was okay, And that was one of
Speaker 3: them was Dave mac His name is out all over
Speaker 3: the place, I'm not going to put the other name
Speaker 3: out there, but one of them was Dave Mac who
Speaker 3: was roommates in college with Suge Knight. You know, Tupac's producer,
Speaker 3: sug Knight was in you know, sug Knight, as we know,
Speaker 3: is in prison now convicted of murder in an unrelated
Speaker 3: case having to do with him, you know, hurting a
Speaker 3: the producer are trying to harm him movie producer for
Speaker 3: not cutting him into the outlaws. What was the straight
Speaker 3: out Compton, Straight out of Compton movie? Unrelated? But so
Speaker 3: Sugar is in prison, but still you know, David Mack
Speaker 3: had visited him recently, right before, right before Biggie's particulars
Speaker 3: right right before Biggie was Uh, I'm sorry, I'm messed
Speaker 3: up on the dates here, but but they they were
Speaker 3: still in communication. However it was, and Dave Mac should
Speaker 3: should ordered. This is what There's an FBI report. The
Speaker 3: FBI only the FBI has no jurisdiction over murder cases.
Speaker 3: They only have jurisdiction over murder cases if they involved
Speaker 3: if the accused is a police police officer. So the
Speaker 3: FBI was investigating it. And of course, if you investigate
Speaker 3: Biggie's you have to investigate Kupax at the same time
Speaker 3: to rule anything out. But they were investigating Biggie Small
Speaker 3: There should Knight and David mac for the murder of
Speaker 3: Biggie Smalls and and a man by the name of
Speaker 3: Amir Mohammed. I forget what his real name is. Start
Speaker 3: the last name of Harold or something that ends with
Speaker 3: the B. The last name is the B bullets or something,
Speaker 3: and he uh that yeah, that should Knight ordered it,
Speaker 3: and David Mack then found the guy to do it
Speaker 3: and had a mer do it, and he disappeared a
Speaker 3: mirrored pair. No one could find him. He's a realtor.
Speaker 3: But they're all gang related. They're all David Mack was
Speaker 3: mem piru apparently, and he I think I think he's
Speaker 3: I think he served time for an unrelated case and
Speaker 3: he may be not with the l a p D anymore.
Speaker 3: The l a p D, I mean, the FBI surmised
Speaker 3: that that was what happened, but the and and Valletta
Speaker 3: Wallace had a case against I interviewed her at length,
Speaker 3: but she had a case against the l a p
Speaker 3: D for wrongful death because she believed that members of
Speaker 3: the l a p D were involved, and and she
Speaker 3: she told me, and she told reporters that she would
Speaker 3: never drop the case, she would never go to la
Speaker 3: again until the police solved her, solved the case. And
Speaker 3: then suddenly the police dropped the case, say they have
Speaker 3: you know, they're they're not investigating the case any longer.
Speaker 3: They stopped pursuing David mack should Knight and I bought
Speaker 3: amor or whatever it is mohammed and just dropped the case.
Speaker 3: And it's a cold case now, even though they know
Speaker 3: who did it. And then Philada Wallace, Biggie's mother, withdraws
Speaker 3: her case and it's dismissed. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: there was a settlement in her case with the police
Speaker 3: department that wasn't made public. But it's very surprising that
Speaker 3: she after adamantly seeing over and over to the media
Speaker 3: four years, and then that one case was dismissed and
Speaker 3: she turned around and refiled. And it's that refiling case
Speaker 3: that she that Malta Wallace dropped, you know. So I
Speaker 3: think maybe there might have been excuse me, a quiet
Speaker 3: settlement of some sort, because I don't see her doing
Speaker 3: it otherwise. But it's you know, hopefully some point another
Speaker 3: detective will come along in homicide, and another chief of
Speaker 3: police not there a new one will decide to pursue
Speaker 3: it because as you know, there is no statute of
Speaker 3: limitations on murder, so you can't just drop I mean,
Speaker 3: you cannot pursue a case. But there's no statute of limitations.
Speaker 3: You can pick it up any any time you want.
Speaker 3: They could right now based on the evidence they have.
Speaker 3: The driver of the shooter drove a Chevy and Paula
Speaker 3: S S and Paula or what in Paula S And
Speaker 3: guess what a mere mom and add in his garage
Speaker 3: that's what he drove in his garage. And I mean that,
Speaker 3: you know, you have circumstantial evidence, you have evidence he
Speaker 3: was available that night. You know he didn't have a
Speaker 3: good alibi. So it's you know, all all of the
Speaker 3: you know, all of the parts are there. I mean,
Speaker 3: you need need, means, motive, and opportunity, and it was
Speaker 3: all there same. So it it's and so I'm gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna write about it until the cows
Speaker 3: come home because in both cases, because I believe, I
Speaker 3: believe they're the underdogs and the police could save their
Speaker 3: both crimes and especially Biggie's, and they've got everything they
Speaker 3: need and it's all laid out in the FBI report
Speaker 3: and there, and there are police reports in there as well.
Speaker 3: I know they're they're choosing not to pursue it anymore.
Speaker 5: You spoke to Valletta Wallace, Biggie's mother, what did she
Speaker 5: believe about Biggie Smalls and his involvement or son's involvement
Speaker 5: in Tupac's uh death.
Speaker 3: She told me that Biggie was really upset that Uh
Speaker 3: Tupac shot and when he died, he cried, you know,
Speaker 3: and she because there's this whole thing that he was
Speaker 3: in Vegas and he it was ridiculous. The The La
Speaker 3: Times came out with his story about it. The reporter
Speaker 3: who wrote that story based on one gang member was fired,
Speaker 3: you know, from from the La from the La Times,
Speaker 3: and then they issued a retraction and removed the story
Speaker 3: from its site, its website. So it was based upon
Speaker 3: one little gang banger out of Compton who fed him
Speaker 3: this ridiculous thing. That Biggie was in town and paid
Speaker 3: a million dollars to a CRYPS member to shoot Tupacket
Speaker 3: was ridiculous and no evidence pointed to that and she
Speaker 3: said Biggie was upset that Tupac didn't want to be
Speaker 3: friends with him anymore. I mean they hung out together
Speaker 3: a lot. He would Biggie would go to bed Tupac
Speaker 3: would go to bed Sty in his in his limo
Speaker 3: and pick up Biggie and a and a buddy of his.
Speaker 3: I interviewed that friend of Biggies who used to ride
Speaker 3: with them. They go to a corner bar and play
Speaker 3: fuse ball and you know, drink together and just party.
Speaker 3: And so he was and he would bring him on stage,
Speaker 3: so he thought they were friends. There are lots of
Speaker 3: photos of them together, you know, when they were friends.
Speaker 3: And Tupac bought into that set up at Klutts Studios,
Speaker 3: which was just you know, on the opportunity robbery. But
Speaker 3: he when he died, she said he cried, and the
Speaker 3: letter did and said he was he was always upset
Speaker 3: that here's someone he thought was a friend turned heavily
Speaker 3: on and then very publicly and and and you know,
Speaker 3: they dissed each other and albums and records and it
Speaker 3: got pretty pretty nasty and he never he never forgot it.
Speaker 5: M M. You talk about Tupacs writing about the Biggie
Speaker 5: Smalls and calling him a mofo and saying that I
Speaker 5: slept with your wife. So he was quite aggressive as
Speaker 5: in those in those lyrics, and the idea that when
Speaker 5: Biggie Smalls went to Los Angeles and he was booed
Speaker 5: on that Soul Train Award show, the idea that you
Speaker 5: write as well, that there was people in that audience
Speaker 5: that night flashing gang sign. So it was, as some
Speaker 5: people thought, an affront for Biggie Smalls to be and
Speaker 5: Puff Daddy to be on the West coast, especially shortly
Speaker 5: after Tupac had been killed, as a as a sign
Speaker 5: of disrespect. At least that was the story, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was, and it was, And it was an
Speaker 3: interesting move that that that Shawancombs decided to go to
Speaker 3: La so soon after Tupac's murder, because it was a
Speaker 3: sign of disrespect than that whole East Coast West Coast
Speaker 3: rap war. I think that would have died down as
Speaker 3: time went on, but it was. It was, you know,
Speaker 3: with things like that. He caused it himself, Combs did
Speaker 3: by going to La and and of course all kinds
Speaker 3: of rivalry stories were written about it surrounding it. They
Speaker 3: got a lot of press out of it, and he
Speaker 3: stayed for a whole month, and Biggie was actually looking
Speaker 3: at real estate, you know, thinking about buying a house
Speaker 3: and living there part time. And he certainly was not welcomed.
Speaker 3: And but it didn't it didn't put him off. And they,
Speaker 3: you know, we thought he could buddy up with the
Speaker 3: Cliffs members. And you know, Biggie Smalls wasn't a gang member.
Speaker 3: He didn't hang out with gangs. He you know, he
Speaker 3: lived on and he sold dime bags on the corner.
Speaker 3: But he certainly wasn't you know, he's just a two
Speaker 3: bit player, you know, when he was a teenager, you know,
Speaker 3: selling dope on the streets. And his mom was a
Speaker 3: teacher and you know she had to sit down dinners
Speaker 3: every night. You know, I had a nice home. She
Speaker 3: made a good home for him. And so he wasn't
Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't a street kid out all the time.
Speaker 3: You know. He he wanted to wear Raiders gears something
Speaker 3: I don't know, and he hit it up on the
Speaker 3: roof of his of the apartment building and his mom
Speaker 3: found it. Because he would change his clothes. He would
Speaker 3: get dressed for school, then go up change his clothes
Speaker 3: because he knew his mother wouldn't let him wear that stuff,
Speaker 3: and so he was trying to be a thug or whatever,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't. He was just, you know, he's a
Speaker 3: nice kid. He spent summers in Jamaica with his grandfather,
Speaker 3: so he had a good upbringing, far far differently than Tupac.
Speaker 3: You know, poor Tupac was raised by you know, she
Speaker 3: was a member of the Black Panthers, but she was
Speaker 3: a crack addict. And he, you know, he literally was
Speaker 3: on the streets at times, and you know, and he's
Speaker 3: like tricity would be shut off because his mother couldn't
Speaker 3: pay the rent and pay the rent or the electricity,
Speaker 3: and so he he really did come up from the streets.
Speaker 3: Biggie didn't. And that's you know that I think. I
Speaker 3: think Biggie was naive, and I think Combs was naive
Speaker 3: and going to La pretending like nothing was going on
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with some really angry gang members, you know,
Speaker 3: and because Sue Knight, you know, was member of Mob
Speaker 3: pyrou and you know, had lots of connections and they
Speaker 3: didn't appreciate him being over there on their turf. And
Speaker 3: then the clips were all picked off because Combs wasn't
Speaker 3: paying his you know, security guard bill to them, and
Speaker 3: so it yes, it was. It was almost an accident
Speaker 3: waiting to happen.
Speaker 5: It's interesting too that they do Biggie Smalls records Missing
Speaker 5: You with Faith Evans attribute to Biggie Smalls and and
Speaker 5: that video and that song do really really well. But
Speaker 5: like you say, he doesn't realize him and Puff Daddy
Speaker 5: that's going to LA is a huge, huge mistake.
Speaker 3: I think Diggy Smallest would be alive today. I have
Speaker 3: not done that. Otherwise, you know, the people who killed them,
Speaker 3: they killed them on their own turfs. They would have
Speaker 3: had to go to LA and do it. And however,
Speaker 3: you know, I think they should have just waited it out.
Speaker 3: I mean afterwards, Nuke Dog. You know, he got a
Speaker 3: Humby completely out deck like it was in the military
Speaker 3: vehicle with bulletproof windows and everything. He was scared to death.
Speaker 3: Sean Cones laid low for a long time. You know,
Speaker 3: a couple they were afraid, Well, if it happened to Biggie,
Speaker 3: it would the tupacket could happen to us. And so
Speaker 3: that's why it's so surprising. The letters guard down and
Speaker 3: they felt comfortable enough, and they went into that turf
Speaker 3: and and and you know it wasn't there fault that
Speaker 3: they went over there. There was no you know, Biggie
Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong, you know. But I do believe
Speaker 3: that people who did it tried to make it look
Speaker 3: similar to Tupac's murder, which is why I wrote about it,
Speaker 3: because they were so similar. And that's why the media
Speaker 3: just picked up on a big time because you know,
Speaker 3: another very eerily similar crime happened six months later. You know,
Speaker 3: they have to be related. That's basically what and that's
Speaker 3: what the that's what the killers wanted us to believe.
Speaker 5: You talked with Voletta Wallace. How successful were you in
Speaker 5: convincing her of your ideas about Biggie Small's murder.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't try to convince anybody.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I have opinions, but you don't necessarily see them in
Speaker 3: my books, you know. I mean, I don't come out
Speaker 3: and say that I believe that that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I just say it outside the reader to decide. She
Speaker 3: told me what she thought, and she was very adamant
Speaker 3: about who she thought killed killed her. She thought immediately
Speaker 3: it was it was related to the police because people
Speaker 3: were talking to her. She had, you know, Kupac's best
Speaker 3: friend and cousin who was after scene and those guys
Speaker 3: are you know, they they're all connected and there everybody's
Speaker 3: seeing her disinformation. It turned out that the information was correct,
Speaker 3: according to the FBI reports that that it had to
Speaker 3: do that was related to Shag Knight and David mack
Speaker 3: and and Mohamed and that's laid out. It's been written
Speaker 3: up in all kinds of newspaper articles and analyzed and
Speaker 3: everything else. And the police were ready to to indict
Speaker 3: and they dropped the dropped the cases, you know, and
Speaker 3: uh so it's an interesting turn, but no one could
Speaker 3: convince her that it was unrel it to the to
Speaker 3: the police department. That's her, that's her firm belief, and
Speaker 3: she was She had that fairly early on because of
Speaker 3: everybody talking to her. And she's different from uh uh
Speaker 3: a Fanny Shakur, who you know made she rest in peace,
Speaker 3: Tupac's mother who died a few years ago of a
Speaker 3: heart attack. But to Tupac's mother, A Fanny was all
Speaker 3: about his legacy and his music, and she wasn't concerned
Speaker 3: with the conviction of someone. You know, he was gone,
Speaker 3: this is who he was. She wanted his his him
Speaker 3: to live on. And whereas b Letta is all about
Speaker 3: all about solving his murder, that was her. That was
Speaker 3: her purpose and it's quite different from I'm sure she
Speaker 3: wants his legacy to live as well, but that was
Speaker 3: a Fanny's move. From that she formed the foundation and
Speaker 3: and kept kept him out there. You know that was
Speaker 3: a Vanish chorus. That's her legacy as her son as well.
Speaker 3: The letter all about getting justice.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. You're right too that that the Letta had
Speaker 5: said too that despite what Puff Daddy said about being
Speaker 5: such a friend to Biggie Smalls, that she said they
Speaker 5: weren't really friends, they were just business associates. He really
Speaker 5: said that Biggie Smalls was the person supporting her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, she she's very defensive about that,
Speaker 3: but you know it was it was it was he
Speaker 3: Diddy who pulled him up off off corner wrapping. You know,
Speaker 3: he was just cutting some you know, some some tapes
Speaker 3: and I think you did it on I think it
Speaker 3: was on on tapes at that point, and and he
Speaker 3: had a friend who got it to somebody and Comb's
Speaker 3: got it. And it was comb who initially took him
Speaker 3: under an and put him in the in the in
Speaker 3: the in the bad boy list of rappers and and
Speaker 3: made him famous. And then Tupac helped helped make him
Speaker 3: bigger than he was at that point. But he, you know,
Speaker 3: he did owe his his career too to Sean Combs
Speaker 3: and and it. You know, he and other people helped
Speaker 3: him along the way as well. But you know, he
Speaker 3: put his all into him Combstead, because he, you know,
Speaker 3: he put a lot into into Biggie and and you
Speaker 3: know Biggie worked hard as well, but she Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any love lost there, but I think that, uh,
Speaker 3: Biggie looked at Sean as a friend and and Sean,
Speaker 3: of course, you know, if you you heard that song
Speaker 3: after Biggie was killed, missing you, it's just you know,
Speaker 3: I tear up listening to it. It's it's and it
Speaker 3: and it seemed like it was from the heart. And yeah,
Speaker 3: he was this big money maker and he made a
Speaker 3: lot of money off of him, but they considered each
Speaker 3: other's friends. And maybe the letter didn't know from Biggie
Speaker 3: how good of a friend he was, but I do
Speaker 3: believe they were friends. She was, she said, you know,
Speaker 3: basically she planned her son was self made, but he wasn't.
Speaker 3: You know, it takes it takes a village.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's ironic that his names of his records are
Speaker 5: ready to die and life after death, and certainly there
Speaker 5: was a life after death for the record companies and
Speaker 5: for the fans, and also for the support system that
Speaker 5: he has for his children, for his ex wife Faith Evans.
Speaker 5: So in death, very much like life, he was providing
Speaker 5: for his family. He wasn't he he.
Speaker 3: Was in fact ly yeah, in fact he had Yes,
Speaker 3: he was, he did. It's interesting the lives after death.
Speaker 3: It's almost prophetic. You know, the albums that Saith Evans
Speaker 3: was married to him, they had filed forward, they were
Speaker 3: had drawn up papers for a divorce. Biggie had the papers.
Speaker 3: Valletta told me he never signed them. So Faith Evans
Speaker 3: in her, which is incredible to me. She was the
Speaker 3: heir to his money and she is the mother of
Speaker 3: two children, the mother of one of them, right, and
Speaker 3: she she gave Valletta Wallace her son's estate, which was incredible.
Speaker 3: People do not do that. And that was said, so
Speaker 3: you have to give her credit for that was incredible,
Speaker 3: and she continued to see the children, spend time with them.
Speaker 3: They spent weekends with her, holidays and anytime she wanted
Speaker 3: to see the kids. And she has a good relationship
Speaker 3: with Faith to this day. But Faith did her a big, big,
Speaker 3: you know, deal in giving her half of them the
Speaker 3: state which has allowed she stayed in in Biggie's Teaneck,
Speaker 3: New Jersey home that he condo he had bought, and
Speaker 3: that's and that went to Faith as well, and that's
Speaker 3: where that's where the Letta lived. She moved into it
Speaker 3: after the sundime. So Faith Faith Faith Evans was incredibly
Speaker 3: generous to Letta Wallace. It says a lot about her.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well she did what she knew. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she did what she knew Biggie would have done. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's quite a legacy.
Speaker 2: They all.
Speaker 3: There's not the negativity as much with Biggie as there
Speaker 3: was with Tupac.
Speaker 5: I have written The Killing of Tupac Shakur, and you've
Speaker 5: also written the Murder of Biggie Small. So if you've
Speaker 5: covered this case now this is the second edition of
Speaker 5: the Murder of Biggie Smalls, you've been immersed in this
Speaker 5: case for quite a while and and done remarkable resent
Speaker 5: search to be able to find really the truth of
Speaker 5: this story.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Dan. Yeah, I mean I hit
Speaker 3: the ground running. I was, you know, I was woken
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night with Tupac's case
Speaker 3: and the same thing with a Philodeathly inquiry reporter called
Speaker 3: me the night that Biggie Smalls was killed for a comment.
Speaker 3: That's how I found out. And I hit the ground
Speaker 3: running on both cases, mainly because they're unsolved and they're
Speaker 3: so solvable, and that they're the underdogs because they're they're
Speaker 3: not solved. So I you know, I mean, I'm proud
Speaker 3: to be a biographer for both Biggie Smalls and Tupac
Speaker 3: Security because their books are truly biographies, are not just
Speaker 3: true crime books. So I'm happy to be there biographers
Speaker 3: and tell their stories.
Speaker 5: And You've done an admirable job. I want to thank
Speaker 5: you so much for coming on and talking about the
Speaker 5: murder of Biggie Smalls the second edition. Thank you so much,
Speaker 5: Kathy Scott. You have a great evening for those that
Speaker 5: my pleasure Dan, for those that for those that might
Speaker 5: want to take a look at your other work, you
Speaker 5: have an Amazon page where with the other twelve books
Speaker 5: that you have at least so far. But do you
Speaker 5: have a website that people might take a look at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kathy Scott dot com. It's being worked on. But
Speaker 3: Kathy Scott dot com and they can find me on Facebook.
Speaker 3: I'm never rare, So thank you so much, Dan, It's
Speaker 3: been a pleasure.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Kathy. You have a great night. Thank you
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