1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,519 Speaker 1: What is up, fella, Siko's im Damp Valley coming at 2 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:10,240 you with the one, the only, the certified fantabulous. My 3 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:14,199 co host, mister Grant Hughes, we're here again just to 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,679 ask questions. Hashtag wj AQ. When we have enough videos 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:19,519 out there, you could, I mean, there's a hashtag, go 6 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:23,039 search it, start the hashtag wj AQ and subscribe to 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,719 us across all platforms while you're at it. Our question 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,679 of the day is can the Bucks salvage their future 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,879 with the honest based on reporting that a lot from 10 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:36,159 the steinlines saying that they are intent ongoing big game 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,560 hunting on the trade market. Now, some of the names 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,439 that have been mentioned don't really qualify. Zach Levine, Jeremy Grant, 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,479 that's not Those aren't needle movers. If you're trying to 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,240 keep you honest, I think the idea is to get 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,840 a bigger name. The fundamental question here, though, Grant off, 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,520 that is, are you looking to do that now when 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,479 you can only trade? And we'll get at the end 18 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:57,280 to what we think the Bucks should do, But do 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,960 you do that now when you could trade one first 20 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:01,759 round pick or you wait until the summer when you 21 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:03,960 really go all in and you can trade your twenty 22 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:06,879 twenty six draft pick, which could be pretty high even 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,359 though you don't technically control it, plus a two thousand 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,719 and thirty one and two thousand and thirty three draft pick. 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,159 Speaker 2: I think it depends on the name you're talking about. 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: I'm be honestly curious as to who's the best player 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,760 the Bucks could acquire this season just because they only. 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: Have the one first round pick to trade. 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,239 Speaker 1: But if you were the Bucks and this is the 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,680 path you have to go down, is you're making this 31 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,079 big swing? Are you doing it now when you know that? Well, 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,519 like you, Giannis is here. I know he's as we're 33 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:36,159 recording this. He's still injured, but he's here and we 34 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,439 could technically, in theory, get two playoff runs if they're 35 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:40,760 able to sneak in there. Or is it we're really 36 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:44,079 gonna wait for when our best, best type of offer 37 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,840 is on the table this summer. 38 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,159 Speaker 3: And do you do it now because you don't think 39 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,599 you will get the chance to make that bigger offer later? 40 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:55,519 Right Like it might be do something now or you 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,599 if nothing materializes and there's enough time before the deadline, 42 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:02,000 Giannis finally does and the staring contest and say trade me, 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,920 and that, obviously is that changes this conversation. It eliminates 44 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:10,599 this conversation. The other thing to keep in mind, too, 45 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:14,520 is if you do the now trade, the one first trade, 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,840 obviously you don't have three firsts and others like this 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,800 is this is like you've got to make the less 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,840 impactful move now. If you have to, that means you 49 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,199 cannot make the more impactful move later. There might not 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,360 be a later, So that that is the threshold question. 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,080 And you can't answer that question and we won't quite 52 00:02:33,159 --> 00:02:36,240 yet without looking at like, okay, so what are we 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,360 talking about if you make this trade now to the 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,840 go for it trade, the big game hunting trade, it's 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,840 I mean, obviously that's a joke, like you're not hunting 56 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,479 big game with a single first and the bucks salaries 57 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:49,439 that they have to move. But we need to kind 58 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:52,319 of hone in on like what what's that actually look like? 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,039 Because what because the answer to that question I think 60 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,000 informs pretty strongly whether you should do it now or 61 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,599 whether you should say, like, well that all those players suck, 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,039 like we gotta wait until we can move three first 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,680 and do something more consequential. Right, So maybe the move 64 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:10,439 now is to look at some of the options that 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,479 might be on the table and discuss how meaningful those 66 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 might be in the one pick kind of packages. 67 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the only other thing I can 68 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,759 think of is is there an element of being able 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,680 to do it twice? Where is there something you could 70 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 do where if you're trading one first round pick now 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,560 and then you can trade two first round picks over 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,520 the summer, is can you get both? It's depending on 73 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,599 where the are twenty and twenty six pick lands. The 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,680 answer might be yes. But I think you're looking at this. 75 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:38,360 If you're the Bucks doing this and we're not even 76 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,120 necessarily advocating for it, this is your last gasp and 77 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,159 so like the move needs to be the caps lock move. Yep, 78 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:47,840 so our first name, we don't know how they're gonna 79 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 pop up on the screen people, So this is this 80 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,560 is gonna be quite fun. Our first name Trey Young. 81 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,840 How do you feel about that? I don't think so. 82 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,439 I it be easy breakdown is that a cannot be 83 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:00,960 a now thing or an offseason thing. 84 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,439 Speaker 2: I almost lean towards could it be ano how thing? 85 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: Could it be a never thing? I think if it so, 86 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,800 if it's now you're telling me you're getting tray for 87 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:21,560 a first in salary. Kuzma's in there, Yeah, Turner, Turner's 88 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,279 in there. Who. Yeah, I don't know. I don't love 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,079 Trey Young. I don't know that. I believe him to 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,439 be better than Lillard was before Lillard got hurt, and 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,920 the Bucks weren't that great with Lillard there. If you 92 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:42,040 can hold on to Turner, which I'm not sure how 93 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:46,240 you would do that, then Young Jannis Turner is interesting 94 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,639 to me, even if Turner hasn't been what they hoped 95 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,319 this year. I don't know how much better do you 96 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,560 think you can do bottom line player wise if you 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,800 hold onto these picks. I think Young Young's like, he's 98 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,240 not my favorite, but for one first that's not that's 99 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:03,199 I'm interested. 100 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,759 Speaker 1: I probably would be interested too, but I just don't 101 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,720 think it's the right name to keep you honest beyond 102 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:09,680 this season. 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting you say that that way, because, like, 104 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,399 name wise, Young is still a big one. I don't know. 105 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,399 I don't know how good Trey Young is anymore, but 106 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,560 like the name carries a lot of value, and if 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,879 the goal is to impress you, honis that's fairly impressive. 108 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: I guess it's just the sheer salary matching of it all. 109 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,480 I guess the Bucks have some flexibility. So if we 110 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:34,920 operate under the assumption that it's Kuzma at twenty two 111 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,040 point one, and if you're willing to put yeah, I 112 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,120 mean that's thirty six million, thirty five and a half 113 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:44,600 million between Kuzma and Bobby Portis. 114 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: I know the Bucks have some flexibility. 115 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: But Trey Young's on the books this season for forty 116 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,199 six million dollars. Yeah, so you're almost You're there if 117 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:55,079 you can keep Turner and it's the one first round pick. 118 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:57,600 I don't know who else is still on your team, 119 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,519 but if it's Ryan Robbins, Turner, Giannis, and Tray and 120 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,879 you've gave him up the first round pick, I might 121 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:04,480 consider it. 122 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: I do like Rolins next to Trey too. That's another 123 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,639 that's another factor. Yeah, that's you're giving up a lot 124 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,360 of players. But I mean, this is this again, that's 125 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,600 what the Bucks are just like, get get a guy. 126 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,680 So yeah, I don't This isn't a no brainer by 127 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,120 any stretch, but I'm kind of surprised I actually didn't 128 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:23,279 immediately turn it down. 129 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,399 Speaker 2: Next up, does LaMelo Ball do it for you. I 130 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,240 mean I think, well, you. 131 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: Know you're gonna go. I mean, he's more intriguing than Trey, 132 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,839 and just from the Bucks perspective, you kind of get 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,000 it both ways here because he's under contract for longer, 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,199 he's younger. You. If this doesn't work, at least you've 135 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,759 still got him as like, this is the guy we're 136 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,279 selling now after we trade Giannis. And it makes sure 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,279 Yanni's trade fairly simple too, because you've got a new age, 138 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:54,199 like you know, band to kind of build your team around. 139 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,759 So that's if we're talking one first, that's the thing. 140 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:00,560 I don't think he's an off Yeah, he's a three 141 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:01,279 first guy. 142 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: I don't mean yeah. 143 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if he might be a one first 144 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,399 guy depending on where the twenty twenty six pick lands, 145 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:09,240 that could be interesting. I think more of the stories 146 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,040 for him, I think it would be getting to his 147 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,120 salary numbers a lot easier this season. But I think 148 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,360 you need to be in the off season and have 149 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,360 the flexibility of either multiple picks or you know, where 150 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,639 you're twenty twenty six. 151 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: And then he's an example of you can't do both. 152 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:24,759 It can't be a small trade with one of your 153 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,480 first now and then he's the guy. Yeah, you got 154 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,959 to Yannis. Hey, Hank tight, we got we got something 155 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,720 in the pipeline. Just hold out for the year. That's tough. 156 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: And if you're if you're worried about Giannis's injury history, boy, yeah, 157 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,519 we have a player for you right next up, joh woops, 158 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,360 you already did Dre Young. 159 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Davis. 160 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: It's a big number to get to you again, right, 161 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:52,600 So this is I mean, presumably Turner is gone in 162 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,480 this deal, as is Kuzma. That gets you about ten 163 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,279 million short. I think of Davis. 164 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: So maybe Kevin Porters are in there. Yeah, you keep 165 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Portis you make him as at thirty five. The Bucks 166 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,720 are so far underneath the tacks that that probably works, 167 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,040 though Kuskott, Turner and KPJ. Yeah, are the MAVs more concerned? 168 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,399 What do they want back for? They probably want back 169 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:16,600 more if you're not including Ryan Rollins, which if I'm 170 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,439 the Bucks in this trade, I would not, And none 171 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,399 of the names we've mentioned I think are moving me 172 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,399 to get I mean, if if Charlotte said Ryan Rollins 173 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,199 and the pick right now plus salary for LaMelo, I 174 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:26,759 think about it. 175 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,879 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I. 176 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:33,159 Speaker 3: It's a fit thing to me. I think, well, because 177 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,399 look like between Brook Lopez and the theory of Miles Turner, 178 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,840 there's just a certain kind of big you want to 179 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,759 play next to Giannis, and Davis isn't that guy, So 180 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:45,200 like I would worry that offensively Davis would be in 181 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,200 the way is like two strong statement. But he's not 182 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:51,120 in the same places that that these other centers that 183 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:53,240 have been successful with Giannis have been. And he's also 184 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 like maybe you just don't get the most out of him. 185 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:57,799 Speaker 2: I already's been working on his jump shot. 186 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: Oh do you see that video? Tantalized? I think it 187 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,480 was in standard definition. It's so old at this point 188 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:06,720 of a you know what I mean? Though, Like, I 189 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,799 don't know if you're getting the best out of either 190 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,840 of Giannis or a d if they're together. So and 191 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,559 then like probably you're you're not getting him with a 192 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:17,240 one pick trade. 193 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:19,519 Speaker 1: I don't think if you can, you probably just do 194 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,759 it though, right if it's the one pick, I'm not 195 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,120 giving up. Just the fit doesn't make sense, And then 196 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,799 Honness does still want out. You don't have as many 197 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:29,639 escapes because Anthony Davis is old and approaching free agency. 198 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: So if you can for one and matching salary, I 199 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,519 think I'm okay with it. I just and then that's 200 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:40,000 presuming you're going to use those other two picks for 201 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,080 a wing. I guess yeah, I don't. I don't love 202 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,399 the fit. LaMelo is still the leader here. 203 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: I think LaMelo's the clubhouse leader. Who's next? 204 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: Though? 205 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: Grant Donovan Mitchell? This is interesting. 206 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,639 Speaker 1: So he has only one more guaranteed year on his 207 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,399 contract because he's the player option in twenty twenty seven. 208 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,840 Eight calves are belly up right now. I don't know 209 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:06,039 three first round picks might get you in the Donovan 210 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,159 Mitchell conversation if he wants to play with Giannis. I 211 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:09,840 don't know if the Bucks are making a wish list. 212 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,879 If Donovan Mitchell has one, that would be fascinating. It's 213 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,360 not a this season thing, so it's an off season thing. 214 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,639 Speaker 3: I also don't even know if what the Bucks could 215 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,440 offer if they wait, is gonna be like if Mitch. 216 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,200 If there's a Donovan Mitchell market, I think there's not. 217 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,799 Just see what the Bucks can where's that pick? 218 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: If it's three, Cleveland's not gonna care where don Mitchell 219 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,320 wants to play if the Bucks are throwing it on 220 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,320 the table or something. 221 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, if the only 222 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,320 thing I'm certain about is that this is a you 223 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,480 can't do it till the summer. I wonder if Garland 224 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:47,159 could be had for cheaper. 225 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: And soon he might be somewhere in this pool of players. 226 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,840 But relative to the players we've spoken about, would you 227 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,559 prefer the LaMelo ball path or you go all in 228 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,440 and you get Donovan Mitchell this summer. 229 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: I think Mitchell has to be the choice because he's 230 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,600 just LaMelo has not come close to Mitchell's level. Mitchell's older. 231 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,399 I think if from Giannis, if you're trying to impress you, honest, 232 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,399 I think Mitchell goes a lot farther there because like, 233 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,200 there's not the there's not the like, well, the cool 234 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,679 thing about LaMelo is he could just be, you know, 235 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:23,679 the next era. You're not making that argument with Mitchell. 236 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,639 Speaker 1: Darius Garland, So I don't think I while he might 237 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,240 be cheaper, I don't think Darius Garland is a this 238 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:34,799 season thing either, though that's still a summer. Forget about 239 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,879 Cleveland being willing to move him. I just don't think 240 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:40,360 the one first round pick and Ryan Rollins is gonna 241 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,320 get anywhere in the realm of the best. Darius Garland offer. 242 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: No unless unless, like Dan Gilbert just is like enough 243 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,320 with this, We're the only second a. We gotta get 244 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,080 way cheaper and we do a Celtics level kind of 245 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:00,559 sell off, which likes you know, the downgrade the moment 246 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,039 from Garland to Rollins is not is there one like 247 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:07,559 just based on how they've played this year, but both 248 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:07,799 of them. 249 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: The other thing too with Garland that you don't get 250 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,039 with Mitchell. It's similar to the LaMelo thing and maybe 251 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:15,320 even with the injuries at this point, but you have 252 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,679 the bridge to the future if Yannis still wants out, 253 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,279 whereas with Donovan Mitchell you don't. 254 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,159 Speaker 3: Three it's a three year difference. Garland's three years younger. 255 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,759 That's that's huge, especially since the difference between late twenties 256 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,600 and early thirties and mid twenties. 257 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,919 Speaker 1: Can I be honest, I think he's my I think 258 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:32,200 here LaMelo or on my pick so far right now, 259 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:34,080 because I don't know that you would need to give 260 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,879 up everything, and even if you did, I think both 261 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:39,720 of these guys you could keep Ran Rollins with. I'm 262 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,320 not giving up Brian Rollins for either one of these 263 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,720 two players and just the time horizon, because Giannis has 264 00:12:44,759 --> 00:12:47,399 proven so inconsistent with his allegiance over the past couple 265 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,120 of years. That appeals to me more than Donovan Mitchell 266 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:55,200 gives you the singular biggest season chance of winning a 267 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,240 title with Giannis again. 268 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:59,639 Speaker 3: But now, if you're Cleveland in this, I know this 269 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,639 is a Bucks focused exercise, Why aren't you saying what'll 270 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:06,000 it take for you to give us Jannis? Like, do 271 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:07,600 you think Giannis might want to come over here and 272 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:10,080 play with Evan Mobley and one of Garland or Mitchell? 273 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,279 Like that? 274 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:11,399 Speaker 2: That? 275 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,639 Speaker 3: I mean that At that point, I feel like Cleveland's 276 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,720 gonna say, hold on, we were not like we won 277 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 sixty whatever games. Why aren't we trading for the big Well? 278 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,519 Speaker 1: What is the offer? Well, because Yannis the offer? So 279 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:27,039 you're giving either Garland and then your your tradeable first 280 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,200 round picks, which will be let's say two or three. 281 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:31,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess maybe they don't have enough unless they 282 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:34,360 trade mobiley which what's why would you do with the 283 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:34,720 point be. 284 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: I think you can even make a case from a 285 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Bucks perspective just based off this season. Do you want 286 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,600 Mobley as your center, because how much Mobley is doing 287 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:43,559 all of the heavy lifting in any honest trade, as 288 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,200 he should, but you have to be sure that he 289 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:45,639 is the. 290 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: Guy, right and right, Yeah, that would be, Yeah, that'd 291 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,759 be He's not in a weird way. It's easier to 292 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,440 sell like we got LaMelo than it is we got 293 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,519 Mobile because everybody would be like, all right, so who's 294 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,799 actually gonna like run the show? If you're getting Mobile, 295 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,440 Giannis is gone too, and right kind of yeah, that doesn't. 296 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: Next name Kyrie Irving, this would be interesting. 297 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean not gonna This could be a 298 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:13,120 this year thing obviously, if you could. 299 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: Get Kyrie without giving If so it's just the one 300 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:18,120 first round pick, the idea would be we have Kyrie, 301 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Yannis and then whatever this twenty six pick, which will 302 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,759 be the Pelicans or the Bucks his own turns into 303 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:24,519 mm hmm. 304 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:26,399 Speaker 2: That's I don't. 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: Hate, I mean in terms of I mean, hi, the 306 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,200 best version of Kyrie is better than LaMelo, I think 307 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,879 is better than Garland. And you're really just this is 308 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,159 a lightning in a bottle situation. Right, You're trying to 309 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,200 you're hoping Kyrie and Yannis and whatever else you got 310 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:45,000 magically stay healthy for a playoff run, which is if. 311 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: Other injury pro players can we talk about it? 312 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, I mean, are we being are 313 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,279 we just being ridiculous and assuming that the version of 314 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Kyrie we get back will be Kyrie you know at 315 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,519 this age with a cl now like being ridiculous. 316 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,799 Speaker 2: But it's not outside the rumble possibility. 317 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,399 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, possible, maybe not. 318 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: It's a relative to the cost of oh, we get 319 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:10,879 to keep our other two tradable first round picks over 320 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:13,039 the offseason, if we're just giving up the one pick now, 321 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,879 and maybe that's how you sell Giannis on the gap 322 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:17,600 here too, is look who's going to be here next 323 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,720 season healthy Kyrie? 324 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, No, I mean what this is kind of 325 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,200 teaching me is, well, we're we're starting to exhibit signs 326 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,720 of leaning towards some of these do the do the 327 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:30,399 move for the one pick now. We haven't we have 328 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,080 come come down officially yet, but it seems like this 329 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,000 that's where we're leaning. 330 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,679 Speaker 1: We got six or seven names left, though, the first 331 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:43,200 of which is Kawhi Leonard. So I'll say this, Kawhi 332 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,639 Leonard might be the single most intriguing player to talk 333 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:50,279 about to this point, if it's at this season thing, sure, 334 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,600 because I'm not giving up more than one first round pick. 335 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,759 First of all, is he coming? Is he gonna retire? 336 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,159 Is he gonna report work? 337 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,879 Speaker 3: I think again where I'm feeling, I can feel myself 338 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,559 ramping up to over using the term. So I'll try 339 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,039 this will be the last one. I'll have to come 340 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,559 up with a different one. But the lightning and a 341 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:13,960 bottle thing like Kawhi last as recently as last postseason, 342 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,480 gave us a few games where it was like, oh shit, 343 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:20,200 like he's he's a top five guy. You can't do 344 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,240 anything with him on either end? Can how much of that? 345 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,200 If you told me that you would get that Kawhi 346 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:31,919 for and he doesn't just shut it down and it's 347 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:37,080 over like every third playoff game with the Bucks, and 348 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,799 you're honest, I think I would take it. And I 349 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,960 think you could make the case that's more impactful than 350 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,399 like what any other guy that we've talked about could provide, 351 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,480 maybe other than like Mitchell, but Mitchell's not a one 352 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:48,240 first guy. Kawhi might be. 353 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,559 Speaker 1: The thing that worries me is I'm almost more peeled 354 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:55,399 to someone who you're Okay, if you're getting them this season, 355 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,320 you're okay with this season not turning into anything because 356 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,200 you've increased the vale in theory, you're probably still getting 357 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,359 you've increased the value of that pick. By default, you're 358 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,319 even less favorable of your own or the Pelicans, and 359 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,799 so if you can sell it, Kawhi is not he's 360 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,799 healthy ish, so like that's this is a that's a 361 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,720 very much requiring him because we want to win in 362 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:16,440 one of the next two seasons where I think literally 363 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,400 every other player just because Kyrie's injured. I know he's older, 364 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,400 but every other player by default, maybe with the exception 365 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,000 of Anthony Davis, has been a we don't need it 366 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:24,799 to be this year. 367 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:27,799 Speaker 3: Well, and then maybe that is the way to look 368 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,599 at it, because so far there's nobody the Bucks really 369 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,720 can't get anyone this for this season that you would say, 370 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:40,559 uh oh, they're definitely like that, they're definitely the best 371 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:43,400 team in the East now or any like That's that's 372 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,720 just not going to be possible. I don't Maybe Kawhi 373 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,480 comes closest because if you could just at the right moment, 374 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,519 maybe you know, he's probably better than any of the 375 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:55,240 other guys we've discussed as a possible one first rounder 376 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,000 kind of return. 377 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: But just like there are five losses out of the 378 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:02,160 playoff picture in the East, the player like the top set. 379 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: A benefit of Kawhi being the choice is that he 380 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:09,920 might just give you zero for this season and then 381 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,960 you still have him for next year and your pick 382 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:12,400 is better. 383 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's the opposite because because you know him 384 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:18,920 more so than anyone, because you're worried about the availability 385 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,920 moving forward, and do we think that does he get 386 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,279 to the end of this season and then request a 387 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:25,400 trade out of Milwaukee? You have to do it like 388 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,839 you need to go for it this season because with 389 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,359 everyone else, you're kind of in a situation where they're 390 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,359 either young enough where their timeline doesn't demand it's this season, 391 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,359 or you're not worried about necessarily them requesting a trade 392 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,119 over the summer or getting injured again like a Donovan Mitchell. 393 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: You're not worried about him getting it. 394 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,079 Speaker 1: You're not, you know, So his is if the Bucks 395 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:45,960 were a little bit further up the standings, I would 396 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,759 love the Kawhi idea, But this just feels is it 397 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:51,480 too late or am my underestimating the wide openness of 398 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,240 the Eastern Conference. 399 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: I would just respect it as from a boldness perspective, 400 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:58,119 So like you're yeah, I mean it just would be. 401 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,480 And again I know it shouldn't cost that much because 402 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,319 that's I mean, he's not bad money, but like it's 403 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,759 not great. It could be. 404 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,559 Speaker 2: James Harden. 405 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. 406 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: That's another this season season things. 407 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: I do we talk about fit again? Do we do? 408 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,440 We do? We love the ball dominance to a greater 409 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:29,119 degree than like Lillard and certainly than Holiday in years past. 410 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,400 Does that Does that negate some of Gianni's value? 411 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:35,839 Speaker 2: Probably? 412 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: But also Jannis is a play finisher is terrifying in itself. 413 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,519 And who is is he? The Is James Harden the 414 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:44,079 best passer we've named? Maybe Trey or LaMelo would be 415 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,880 the other options he would be. 416 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: He's the Yeah, he's the he'd be the best passer 417 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,200 Giannis has played with. I think that's pretty He. 418 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,599 Speaker 1: Did say that one time Giannis has no bag though, 419 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:55,640 that he's just seven ft tall. 420 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: Do you think that's that could create some locker room. 421 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: He's also motivated to prove that he has a bag, 422 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,440 and that's why this thing would implode. 423 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm anti James Harden just for the reason of there's 424 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,720 too many variables where it's he is the option for 425 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:11,240 next season, and I just wonder. 426 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,279 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and like just if this is this year 427 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,160 thing for a number of reasons, you can't. He's his 428 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,759 playoff record is what it is? You can't And like, 429 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,039 so what are you selling Giannis? If if if it's 430 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:30,440 the James Harden pitch and it's like we might. 431 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: Show them, it's probably easy to sell him on James Harden. 432 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't know what's Kuzma's playoff track record? Is he 433 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:41,079 defined by how bad a champion? Yeah, oh, that's well done, deal, 434 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:43,960 Kuzma's better than Harden. No, I don't know. Like in 435 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,240 my mind, I'm just putting a ceiling on how far 436 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,480 a Harden led team can go, and that's not far 437 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:51,880 enough to justify like Kawhi is more appealing to me? 438 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: Is James hard? 439 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: James Harden's playoff highs just aren't even high enough to 440 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,039 where it's some of like the inefficiency stuff might be 441 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,279 overstated when you break it down game by game, but 442 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,240 it's just how many conference finals is this like? And 443 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,799 how many how many memorable games do you have of 444 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,000 where it's he didn't take enough shots or he didn't 445 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:11,880 get he took shots and it wasn't enough, and it's 446 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,200 just the reactions afterwards haven't helped him. 447 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,839 Speaker 2: They've kind of added to the lore of how bad 448 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,680 that people think he is. 449 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,559 Speaker 3: In the postseason, it almost feels self fulfilling at this point, 450 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,759 where it's just like, yeah, which is kind of irrational, 451 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,759 but give me Kauhi over Harden. 452 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: Jaron Jackson Junior. That's an offseason thing. You're not getting 453 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:32,359 Jaron j for one first round. 454 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,039 Speaker 3: It is the player type though, the if assuming it's 455 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,799 this is one of the years that he can shoot 456 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,200 yeah and you do get yeah, it's it's a little 457 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,440 more like the Mobili thing than the LaMelo thing because 458 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,359 he's not well. I don't know, though we've seen again 459 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,960 with Jackson who knows man, you do get some of 460 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,759 the from scratch stuff and he was very successful at that. 461 00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: Mike, even with mobiley self creation having improved, I don't 462 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,279 think he's ever been at the level of Jaron Jackson 463 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,720 Junior was in twenty twenty four, twenty five. 464 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: As a creator. 465 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: No agree, Yeah, I would do it. 466 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: I think if it's the three, it probably has to 467 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,200 be the three picks this summer I would do, and 468 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,759 then Giannis and Jackson Junior are kind of an intuitive 469 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:18,440 fit on the defensive end. Maybe you're a little bit 470 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,839 worried about the rebounding at that point, But is it 471 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,759 that different from Turner and Johannis. 472 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 3: No, that's the thing. I don't think it's meaningfully worse. 473 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,759 If you can keep Rolins and you've got that's pretty good. 474 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:33,640 That's a that's a good fit. I mean, I like 475 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,160 that fit better than Anthony Davis and Younger. Yeah, I 476 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,559 think that's that's one of the better you're waiting for 477 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,400 the full like three pick package options for sure. 478 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,599 Speaker 2: Devin Booker definitely a summer thing, f. 479 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:58,839 Speaker 3: Y, I summer of what year? Like that's interesting. So 480 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:05,440 this is the first like in prime like first option 481 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:09,079 creator type that we've covered, right, I guess I guess 482 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:17,640 Mitchell would be that guy. Yeah, yeah, I mean I 483 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,400 don't know if they can even get him, Like, I 484 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,480 don't I don't know that they could have the best. Again, 485 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:24,519 it depends on how good that pick is, because Bookers 486 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:27,079 what a couple of years younger than Mitchell. Maybe it's 487 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,440 just one. 488 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,559 Speaker 2: At this point, Devin Booker is twenty nine years. 489 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: Old, same age pan. Time flies, but he's under this longer. 490 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: Right, But that is that part of the problem when 491 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,000 you look at the way that his scoring efficiency has dropped. 492 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,079 I still think he's a great passer, and I just 493 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,079 wonder in a different just having another co star I 494 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:50,480 think would do a ton for the quality of looks 495 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:50,960 he's getting. 496 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: But that has to be a concern for sure. 497 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I might. I mean, I think I might 498 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:59,119 favor Mitchell. He's playing better right now. He's under contract 499 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,440 for or term and is what is it the twenty 500 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,559 nine to thirty bookers on the hook for sixty nine 501 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:08,319 million dollars. That's nice. He's gonna have him. He needs 502 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:10,240 great for him, He's gonna need to play a lot 503 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:13,799 better than he's played this year to justify that. Yeah, 504 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,599 interesting one. 505 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,559 Speaker 1: We next up have John rant That's that. That could 506 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,920 be a this season thing, maybe perhaps. 507 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:27,039 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do you even need to give up a first? 508 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,880 Oh man? What if? What even Memphis is like, we're 509 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,279 out of the job business. Give us Ryan Rollins and 510 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,680 the salary we need. You can hold onto all those picks. 511 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,759 Speaker 1: That gets interesting, probably does, But that's I really like. 512 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: Ryan Rollins I think Ryan Rollins is a starting point guard, like. 513 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: But you could you couldn't rationalize it by saying he's 514 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,960 going to be He has a player option after next season, 515 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,079 so it's he's cost controlled for not really that much longer. 516 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: Maybe that's how you justify I just Jaw fits the. 517 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,519 Speaker 1: Idea of this is a next seas he's in thing 518 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,799 that we're getting this season because he's out, and so 519 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:05,200 if you want to use a gap year, then you 520 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,359 have a high pick with Jaw and Yannis. I didn't 521 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,839 think I was going to be as intrigued by this 522 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,640 one as I am. 523 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: But well, yeah, let me dumb some cold water on it. One. 524 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,200 I don't think an offense can function with Jaws shooting 525 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,279 limitations and honises because like they just Jaw's off ball 526 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,759 value is zero because he doesn't cut. No one's guarding 527 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,200 him as a shooter, so like you're really allowing another 528 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,880 defender to be in Giannie's way and then you and 529 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,880 then you must have a spacing center like in addition, 530 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440 so like I guess Turner can fulfill that role. But 531 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,319 like the fit sucks, Like these guys do not make 532 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,400 each other better, don't. 533 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,319 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not doing it. 534 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,839 Speaker 3: I'm not doing it unless it's like only dead salary 535 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,640 and Ron's isn't in it. I would, I would do 536 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,720 it then, But why would we have to ever consider that. 537 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,519 Speaker 1: Lowry marketing our final name. That's the three first round 538 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:01,000 pick thing. 539 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: I don't I just I don't know that it elevates 540 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,079 your ceiling enough. I'm probably not doing it, to be honest. 541 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he does fall a little below like 542 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,720 the Mitchell's and you know in a lot of the 543 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:17,200 shot creating guards that we had in the three pick option. 544 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,319 So I like Mark and I think the shooting is 545 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,359 a plus. I think you probably play them, you're honest, 546 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,359 and him as like a five and a four. So 547 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:25,559 maybe you get something else for Turner because I just 548 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,720 I don't think I want him at the three. Although 549 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,559 if Turner was shooting a great and then you had 550 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,599 three of your five front court, two of your three 551 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,839 front court guys that could really space, that's interesting with you, honest, 552 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,279 But I I'm not sure he's quite good enough to 553 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,640 justify this is what we're firing all the bullets at, right. 554 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,039 Speaker 2: The moral of the story then is what should the 555 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:48,839 Bucks do. 556 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm probably not making any big trade right now, even 557 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,240 if it was feasible to get with the one first 558 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,920 I mean the one first round pick for if it 559 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,799 was you'd have to throw the name out. But the 560 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,279 ones that see a red you could get for one 561 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,799 first round pick, I don't think are good enough to 562 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,960 fire that away without knowing Jannis's whims. And so if 563 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,319 you're keeping Giannis past the trade deadline, I will recalibrate 564 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,799 over the off season. That's my That is my official 565 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,599 stance of If the Bucks aren't gonna move him, they're progative, 566 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,319 I understand it. I'm not doing anything nuclear until the 567 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:19,839 off season. 568 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,559 Speaker 3: I think I agree. And I also just think like 569 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 we're throwing these options out there as like, well, what 570 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,480 if they could do this for one of their firsts now, 571 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,039 I don't even know that any of those will be available. 572 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,359 They might have to settle for something much worse than that. 573 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,799 So like if we're just operating, even if we're just 574 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,240 operating theoretically with some of the names we put out there, 575 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,160 I don't think I'm probably not doing it. I still 576 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,160 I mean option three is what you do, which is 577 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,839 you trade you honest, but like he's not going to 578 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,160 ask for it. The bucks seem clear, literally want to. 579 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:50,839 Speaker 2: Do that's why you also waiting in the off seasons. 580 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it reaches ahead and that then you didn't trade 581 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,759 any of your first round picks and you're not. 582 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd much rather be in that position. And also 583 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,559 just like the real what if now if you do 584 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,759 the half measure, you do the one first trade for 585 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:08,079 whatever this year and then Giannis asks out anyway, like 586 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,640 you replenish the stores by trading you honest, but also 587 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,519 you kind of burned to pick on someone that maybe 588 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,839 you wouldn't have gone after all things being equal, you know, like, 589 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,079 so you don't want that to be the outcome either. 590 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,480 So maybe the best move is no move unless Yannis 591 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,200 asked for a trade, and then the one move is 592 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,240 very clear, you trade your honest. I just I think 593 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,640 if you're going to take a shot at it, it's 594 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,039 got to be meaningful. It's got to be an off season. 595 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: Yet anything else? You ready to take us out of here? 596 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: No? 597 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: Thanks, are ready for listening, for watching? Remember subscribe across 598 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,000 all platforms, rate and review, Tell your friends, tell your enemies, 599 00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:40,920 joining our discord links for that. In the YouTube and 600 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,720 podcast description, shouts Frank Milli Kean apologies, Jared Allen