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Gunzaliz Mondo. How you doing, my friend, I'm doing very well.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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because like I said, pre roll with you. This is
something that I think a majority of people in this
space don't realize that you had a hand in because
I've not seen you talk about it much. But of
course it's been maybe ten years or so since that
went down. But I wanted to pick your brain on
the Elongated Skulls today.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: But just in case somebody is new to this channel
clicked because they seen the artwork or the subject matter
and not familiar with you and who you are, go
ahead and just take this time to introduce yourself to
the listeners and who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3: My brother, Yeah, I appreciate that. The short story, I
was a raised a Christian. I got saved at eighteen and
then changed my world. And then after that began to
just to study the Bible and to study history, and
so I ended up going to school and got a
bachelor's degree in Jewish studies, trying to understand again the
history of the world. Then I went on and got
a master's degree in Biblical archaeology and languages, and got
to travel to a lot of different places and research
all throughout the Middle East and many times. And then
in the midst of all that, it was a pastor
for sixteen years different in different places across the country
and that was always very enjoyable. And then in coming
onto this situation now, I came to Prophecy Watchers in
twenty two twenty one to come alongside Gary Steerman and
help host the television program as well as, you know,
do content creation and write for the magazine that we
have and conference speaker and stuff like that. And this
particular journey began in twenty fourteen when I was following
La Marzuli and he was having some challenges in getting
some work done with the project that he was working
on in prove And so this was back in the
days when it wasn't videos, it was just blog, the
normal blog, and so I would I would frequent his
blog and I would see these schools and other things.
Then he just said, Hey, I need somebody who's an
archaeologist to help me, and so I reached out and
that was kind of the beginning of this journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know how that actually unfolded. I was
going to pick your brain on that seat, so you
beat me to the question on that. But yeah, La,
he's one of those guys man that when I first
entered this spear, he was one of the first handfull
of people that I kind of got exposed to, and
between him and trace me as from gotten the nutshell,
I believe I owned every single DVD they've ever put out.
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal what La has become one of my best
friends now through the years, and it's amazing the amount
of work that he has done in so many different ways.
I mean, he of course, you know a lot of
people only know him as a you know, into uf
ufology or the Nepheleine and of course you know this
kind of comes on. He's got the archaeology side, you know,
or the investigative side as it relates to megalithic structures
around the world and different things, especially South America even
into Europe. But then of course he has the ufology,
the ufology side which he's been He's got series on that.
So I remember his Watchers series was just some of it.
It's a phenomenal series because all these interesting things that
you hear about, he actually went out and researched him
and he would tell that he it's not that he
came to any necessarily dogmatic conclusion on any of them,
but he documented it in a way that as an investigative,
a researcher, which very few people have. So I recommend
all his stuff. It's just it's pretty pretty neat.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's one thing I loved about him.
He was actually, you know, boots on the ground and
go to these places, do some filming and stuff like that.
He's kind of inspired me. I've went to a bunch
of mound sites and things like that and got a
lot of footage and drone footage. It's just a matter
of you know, piecing that stuff together. You know how
that is. That's the hard part.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the non glorious part, you know. I
remember get going into archaeology, and you know, you always
I was inspired in the eighties. I'm an eighties kid, right,
I was inspired bying Danna Jones. And then and then
you get into the archaeological work, whether it study even
languages and other things, or even you know, excavation, and
you know what, it gets old kind of fast in
the sense of because ninety percent of the time you're
just working, you're you're actually physically working on things, you know,
whether it's removing dirt or walls or stone, and oftentimes
ninety percent of the time, you don't find anything, and
so you really have to be committed. It's not like
you're gonna get the golden the golden coin or the
golden skull at every time, because that's not the way
it works.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you see people pulling these things out
of the ground, you know, and you're watching this one
hour video and they find three or four fascinating things
that'll show you the six months of digging extracting nothing exactly.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess when La reached out or you actually
reached out to La about the Peru thing, and then
it went down there, kind of explain us, walk us
through that experience and heading down that way, because that
was an all star cast. I mean, you had yourself,
you had Joe Taylor, doctor Aaron Judkins, doctor jud Burton,
La Marzouli. I mean, this is like the all star
team for Frangi Christians, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was. And so when I came on the La
had been down in Peru and this is where they
He had been down there a couple times. But then
in twenty fourteen is when he had filmed the unwrapping
of the of the Baby Skull, and so there was
a little tiny skull that they had from Wan Davarro's museum,
and it had been wrapped in these textiles, and so
it was it was actually very well preserved. They didn't
know it because they it had never been unwrapped, but
one decided one has passed away now but one had
back then said I'll let you do it. So they
they unwrapped it, and then they were able to take
some samples, and when they unwrapped it was pretty amazing.
I wasn't part of that, but this was right back.
This was right at the time that I came on
the scene, and so they had unwrapped it and the
hair was I mean, it wasn't like fiery red, but
it was like a blackish red, which is not indigenous
to that culture down there. So that was pretty amazing.
And of course, you know, there's been lots of stories
and oral traditions of what you see within Native Americans
up here who have long discussed fighting red hair giants
here in North America. Now, granted, it's interesting that we
can unpack this, for sure, but the you have different
what seems to be branches of historical people in this regard,
and so nevertheless, going back, so they unpacked this and
then at this moment they wanted to take some of
this material and have it DNA tested well. So then
subsequent to that again there was I know, like again
jud was there and Aaron was there, and then they
had participated in some of it, and then it was
going to take a little bit of time to reach
out because what needed to happen at least at that
moment La. To LA's credit, he wanted to make sure
that everything was done above board because when you especially
down in Peru, if you get outside of the law,
they will punish you. Naturally, nobody wanted to be in jail.
So at the time La had reached out and said, hey,
I need somebody an archaeologist who can come along and
create a project basically proposal to give to the Ministry
of Culture of Peru. And so when I came along,
I said, I can do that for you. And so
you know, of course talk to him and he gave
me all the information and so I created a proposal,
a very outlined proposal of our hypothesis. And our hypothesis
was simply, we wanted to understand more about this particular
parocous culture because this is a very small people. They're
small people with the elongated skulls, very large eyes, the
eyes are closer to one another. And so there was
a lot of mystery. And if you can go back
to the nineteen twenties, and there was a well known
Peruvian archaeologist, Julio Tello, who did who excavated most of
what has been done that is in the museums today
and so but of course the technology wasn't there for
all of the DNA and stuff like that, And so
our idea was, hey, let's find out more. Let's find
out whether they're indigenous to basically this area Peru. Let's
find out if there's any how the schools get this way,
I mean, is this genetic or is it just artificial
cranial deformation? And then we wanted to see basically how
compared with other parts of the world in that sense. So,
but the challenges that we had was number one, how
do we get the stuff out of Peru legally? So
I create this proposal. We actually hire a Spanish archaeologist
from Spain who took all of our my information basically
and translated it into Spanish. This is way before you
know you could do it today. But she was skilled too,
She was very good. So she translated our proposal and
gave us a whole bunch of other ideas just about
working with governments and stuff like that. So we send
this in. We sent our proposal in and basically we
were going to do it in a couple of phases.
We just simply wanted to remove the DNA or the
extraction from from the skulls down there, because Jan had several,
He had probably a couple dozen skulls in his museum,
and so we wanted to extract some either bone or
hair or teeth. And then we wanted to take some
of the textiles to have them Carbon fourteen dated. So
that was our request. And then we said, hey, if
this warrants, you know, if the results are positive or intriguing,
then we want to go to the next stage, which
would be to excavate something fresh out of the ground
now one hundred years later, so can we can get
something new and fresh. So that was our proposal, and
it took from that time. I think our proposal went
through in twenty fifteen. It took two years. But in
the midst of that we weren't idle. We actually went
there was a school. I was living up in Washington
State at the time, and so there was a skull
that was we call it the Organ School, And we
went down to southern Oregon and we took some extractions
from that had that DNA test that we could talk
about that later, but anyways, that was the kind of
the progression. So finally in twenty seventeen, we get a
phone call from our archaeologist, our basically our laison down
in Peru, and we had gone through several not sure why,
and he said, hey, you got approval to come down
and take the samples. You have two weeks. We're like what.
So we had to assemble a few of us together
immediately to get down there, and and that's really where
it ended up, our arrival into into Peru again in
order to take the samples and and so and then
there's it kind of continues on, but that was kind
of the background.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's one thing about the digging. You know,
they don't show you the six months before you found
the item. So we saw that film and read the books,
and we didn't know it took two years of preparation
just to even get you foot in the door. Man,
that's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was actually you know, La and
I kind of joke that you know, when you go
to Peru, there's certain parts of Peru that are very beautiful,
you know, Cusco and much Peach, you and other things
in the mountains, but the bureaucracy is just horrible, you know.
And there they have like every like everybody, the Ministry
of Culture, they have a and this is understandable. They're
just desire is to protect the culture of Peru. And
so but what that means though, that comes with the
double edged sword, because it means that's a good thing, right,
They're protecting the artifacts and the material culture there. But
the second thing is they're very careful at anything that
might disrupt the narrative of their history. And so what
I mean by that is it's typical for them to
say that, for examples, relates to the Inca, you know,
the Inca built you know, subs woman socks and a
woman and these other places in Cusco, and and yet
there's all this megalithic structures there. And so if you
if you challenge that, even our good friend Albert tim Alberino,
he's he had he shares the story when he was
down there with with a tour group and he was
talking up I mean, Tim is an expert on this,
he lived in Peru for a long time, and so
he's just up there talking about the differences between the
Inca structures and the previous and man, he got he
got ran out of the site because when you challenge
that status quo, you're you're basically saying all this beautiful
stuff was not created by the Inca, it was created
by a different culture. And so the modern Peruvian people,
they they they see themselves as the descendants of the Inca.
Which that's fine, okay, But to say that your descendants
didn't build this, it was somebody else that that that
comes off as insulting. And so anyways, so this sets
up a very precarious situation in that what we were
trying to do again, we weren't. We weren't making any
broad claims. That wasn't our goal. Our goal was simply
to get the DNA. We wanted the DNA and to
see where it originated from and its age. And so
when when we ended up finally getting down there, we
we we show up and what was great though we
were very prepared. We walked in to the Eco Museum,
which is a regional museum not too far a few
hours from from Lima, and they had arranged for us
to have a room to do our work, and then
they from their collection. A lot of the Parrakas schools
and the other material culture, textiles and other things is
housed at this museum, and so they provided to us
nine schools that we had never had access to before,
and they said, can you would you be willing to
take samples from this and test them? And we're like,
that's phenomenal, we would love to do that. So we
show up and they provide all this, and so we
ended up taking the ones from the private museum, and
then we extracted a bone, powder and teeth and even
hair if we could from the other schools at the
Eco Museum. And then what they told us was as
we were collating all of it, Chase Clotsi was there,
well known, she's trained in this, and so she basically
cataloged it all and then I ended up putting together
the report afterwards with all the different information. After it
got sent off the labs and all the results came back.
But they tell us we said Okay, well we want
to we need the information. We need the provenance of
these other schools that you provided for us, because these
are now many of them are in the museum, which
was kind of neat because for them those schools were many.
Many of them were excavated, sometimes through archaeologists, you know,
like Juliu Teo's example, but some of them also were
just looting cars. Yeah, the Wacaro's. Yeah, the Wacaro's are
it's just Spanish for grave Robert And basically that you
would go out, I've been to Chongos that the there's
some interesting things there which we can talk about. But
the Wacaros would gout and they would dig these up
on their own, and then they would they would look
for anything, and they would go to sell in on
the black market. Well, many of the stuff, even in
the museum was looted from a from a funerary context,
a burial and so. But they told us, well, the
the stuff in the private museum, you don't need a
you don't need permission to remove that from the country,
And we're like, what we learned this now, But it
was actually kind of good, So that whole process was unnecessary.
We could have taken legally the bone and the teeth
from the private schools out of the country and had
them tested without any legal issues. But by going through
the process, I think it was helpful because we the
Ministry of Culture saw our efforts and and and they said, hey,
we we approve this. We think you're legitimate, we accept
your credentials, and we accept your project. So that was
that was a stamp of approval by very very strict
culture Ministry of Culture on our project. And again, as
I said, they even offered us some schools to test
and to extract DNA or material from which would be
DNA tested. So we did all that altogether. We finished
that and then it took a little bit of time
to get the material sent off and then of course
after that we were getting the results back and collating
all of it and bring it together, and it was
it was an interesting experience. And we can talk about
as well the Chongos area, which most people would be
familiar with that, but that was kind of that was
kind of the scenario. And then it led to us
getting it back and then having a press conference in
January of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Well, going in, did you have any your preconceived notions
of what these are, because I know a lot of
people say, oh, it's aliens, or no, it's a hybrid race,
and then there's a lot of the mainstream want to
say it's all headbinding. What was you thinking going yet?
Speaker 3: You know, I think I think like a I mean,
I love conspiracy. That's I think the best thing. What
does that do for me? It keeps me open minded
at least, But I don't that's not my first default,
and so I think black an archaelogist. I think like
a scientist. I want evidence, I want proof, I want
I want I want again the tangible scientific empirical method.
That's my that's my goal. And so as I was
going in, there's no doubt as you can see behind
me here right there, that is the Chongo skull. Move
this there, I can move this way. People can see it.
It is one of the largest elongated schools in anywhere,
and it's at the Eco Museum, and so when we
went there we were able to see it. So as
you go in, you see pictures of these things and
you go, what is this even real? I remember the
first time that I had seen them, I was like,
this can't even be real. How does that even happen?
How does this? How does this happen in a real way?
So then then you start learning about headbinding, artificial cranial deformation.
And when you go to the museums there they take
a very again naturalistic approach, which is honestly that's the
way of all scientific method They don't necessarily allow for
any sort of supernatural elements. Which that's my worldview. Yes,
I do believe in angels, I do believe in God, absolutely,
I do believe there's other enemies of God at work
in our world and so that have interacted with mankind
in the past, So that doesn't bother me. But when
you go to the museums, they basically say, look these
even this one, this one here, there's four different types
of cranial deformation, you know, you know, headbinding. And so
the typical idea is, well, this happens when a child
is very young and as we know, the skulls aren't
hardened yet, and so they bind it up together and
it takes a period of time and then by the
by do that, they'll they'll change the shape. Okay, but
what we found and this is what, like I believe
is Aaron Aaron Judkins did and where they did, and
some others on the team, they they just they did
volume test with these. You know, with the schools you
can see you can get in there, and so they
would measured out volume from a like they'd put rice
in there, whatever, and they would be able to measure
the weight and everything else. Well, what you found was
it's kind of like taking a balloon. If you have
a balloon that's round today and it has a certain
amount of fine specific amount of air in it, if
you shape it and you elongate it, you can certainly
do that and maybe you even tie a rope around
it to make it long like this. Okay, it's not
going to change the amount of volume inside there. It's
going to shape the volume, but it's not going to
increase the volume. And so what is found on these
particular skulls is that the volume is increased and again
the eye sockets are between twenty five and forty percent larger.
So and there's some other genetic anomalies that again that
our team was able to discover as we did this.
And so that's the interesting thing about it is when
you come in on this, you say, what the world,
and then what's the goal. Well, the goal is to
investigate it, so let's investigate it. That's why we had
an anthropologist, we had a chiropractor trying to look at
the way that the school is set and the way
that the neck is set. We had a medical doctor
on our team. We had an optimologist on the team
looking on this. So we had we brought together a
variety of experts to say, hey, how is this? Is
this typical? Is this typical? Is is normal? Whatever? Just tell
us just I mean, it could be or it's not.
So that's what we found was pretty fascinating. And when
you go especially this thats goal behind me. When we
went to the Eke Museum and we were able to
go and it's in LA's film on this and they
bring it out. We were not allowed to take any
samples from this. That was fine, but what we wanted
to do is one of the most important elements that
our anthropologist found out Rick Woodward, is he's an expert
in osteology and especially in schools, and so this is
the first time that know that anybody ever discovered this,
that we've ever read in any of the literature. Was
if you turn the skull over the frame and magnet
is is ever every human skull has it. It's the
place where your spinal cord comes up into the basically
into the into the skull, and it's pretty centered on
on on humans. It's because you've got balanced there. So yes, there,
there you go. Now that one. See that one's not
see how it's pushed backwards towards it puts back towards
the stem where the skull goes off. And that's what
we found was that on the on the ones that
didn't seem to be cranial are artificially deformed, that that
firm and magnum was shifted back to the occipital plate
where where it's the crest there. Yep. So you're thinking, wow,
that's not centered. And so Rick was like, hey, I
want to see more of these. So then this was
the thing this is that we noticed. And and when
you when you artificially modify a baby, it doesn't push
the foremen magnum back because it would end up pinching
the entire spinal cord to nothing and then you'd end
up killing the child. And so this is this is
what was found. And so when we went to see
the this is called the Chango skull again, the big one.
And we were like, okay, if you're not gonna let
us test it, can we at least see it? And
they said well, and we we like beggdam because we
wanted to see it. So they brought it out and
we said, all we want to see is just turn
it over. Just turn it over for us, and so
we have this kind of dramatic moment in one of
LA's films where we turn it over and there it
was exactly what you just saw. It was shifted back
to the excipital crest and you're like, this, this is
not a normal human skull. And so it makes us realize,
and it was making us realize, are these things release
things genetically born this way? Now? If that's the case,
that is huge because there has been reports and we
have some of it documented in some of the earlier writings,
going back to really i would say the mid twentieth century,
where there were people who were excavating and they found mummies.
There's lots of mummies there, but they found mummies that
were pregnant and inside. You don't have pictures back then,
but you have drawings and the drawing showed that the
baby inside the womb had an elongated head, and so
so of course that's an amazing claim, right, Okay, well,
most scientists and archaeologists or whatever, they're dismissing that. But
our research was able to show these genetic anomalies that
could not happen solely through artificial cranial deformation, especially like
again the eye sockets. Just because you ship shift the
skull around, it's not going to change the eye sockets
as well. And there were some other the condyles inside
were we're more more robust. And one of the people
that we had on our team I can show this
to you later, is she was a I wouldn't call
her graphic ours. She was more like a biological artist.
And she she basically took the skulls and then designed
what they would look like in real life. And it
was based on all the again, all the morphological structures
and the biological uh you know, characteristics of everything. It's
pretty phenomenal that she did. So this is where we
this is where we land now. Were there at the
Eco Museum and we turn it over and all of
us you just were like, there it is. And so
this was prior to us even getting out of the
countr so we were already seeing things. And when you
go to Chongos, Chongos, is this really so this is
where that Scholl was from. It's this desert, it's sand,
it's basically sand, and there's a river that comes by there.
People can look it up. It's just east of the
city of Peasco in Peru. So we're out walking around
and so you were, you were, you're You're just walking
around and you see there's like a what's known as
a pyramid there, like a stone pyramid of some kind.
And I know Tim and his team, which they went
later than us, they did some ground penetrated radar. He's
got a very nice GPR system, and they found these
underground caverns beneath the pyramid, and a whole bunch of
other things. But the other thing, and I encourage people
to do this. So La and I were walking around
out there and we're just walking around, and there's schools
everywhere because the Wakaros, the grave robbers are out there
digging things up and they don't care about anything else.
There's just bones. So sometimes you find a but it's
not elongated, so they don't want those, and so you're
just going along and so that was one of our goals,
was we wanted to excavate something fresh. Well, when you
walk out there, you see like just the sand is blown,
but you see these these rocks. You see little rocks everywhere,
and you're like, okay. But I was walking around just
and then I had I had ran up to the
top of a of a sand dune basically, which allowed
a little bit of perspective because at that time we
didn't this was back before we had a drone. And
I was like, this looks interesting to me. This looks
like like ninety degree angles. Well, that's a little bit
unusual for rocks to have perfect ninety degree angles. And
so I came back down and I said, la, these
these are ninety greele. He goes, no, no, no, you
know we we we dug these up once before, and
it was for me. I'm one of those guys that
I got to see it for myself, right one of
those So I said, I'm going to dig it up.
So I started digging down at one of these angles
and he said that's see, that's where I went. And
so he had removed the sand. Well, I started digging
down into the dirt. And when you start digging down
in the dirt, the wall continues to go down all
it goes down deep. Well, then I'm standing there and
I pulled up my coordinates on just Google Maps, and
if you put the satellite view and you zoom in,
you can see all of the walls. There's a city here.
There's a city that is now buried under the sand.
And so I was like, Ella, look at this. And
we were just blown away. And again, anybody can do
this if they go find it, it's still there. And
so there's something here. There was a city here. There
is the temple, this temple looking structure, that's what we
call it. Tim Again, Tim found structures that were underneath
or tunnels that were underneath, and so so then of
course it's surrounded by all these burials. And then the
burials are very interesting because they would bury, they'd put
them in there, they would put them in a squatting position,
because these are very dominiontive people with the long souls
they would be and they would wrap them in these
very beautiful textiles and then they would cover up with
with the sand. And so many of them were dug
out a couple of them. They wrote me down in
I tried to go in and see where it went
if there's any tunnels, and I wasn't really able to
get anywhere. But that was where we were wanting to
excavate because Tim also in his GPR. I mean, we
saw the city and the outline of it from Google
Maps and basically light our well Tim saw it on
the GPR. So here we have the scientific evidence. But
you know what, when we when we are getting ahead
of myself. But at the end of the day, after
all of the research that we did, and and and
then Tim's Tim's team came down later they excavated or
they took samples from I think one skull or two
and their results were similar, which we haven't gotten into full. Yeah,
but they won't let you excavating, and we're just shocked.
We don't understand, like, don't you have any interest in
exploring history? But see, this goes back to our theory.
Our theory is that they see our results, our results
show something that is non linear with what they their
their historical desire is, and our our research interrupts that
and they shut it down. Boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of what happens. It's it's
a historical trend. Honestly, if you look even in America
started going through the mounds and finding all this stuff,
and all of a sudden they put up that what
was called nagpra m h pect, you know, the indigenous people,
even though the indigenous people saying, no, we didn't build
this stuff, we found it.
Speaker 3: Yep, wasn't us hmm.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Well, uh, what do you doing your side
studies and stuff. It's a spoiler alert for me, I
already know, but I want to tease it out for
the listeners. You had mentioned that the red hair that
was significant when you read through the Spanish explorers too,
they even talk about when they get there, they've seen
this race of people that was taller, they were paler skin,
they could grow full beards, and they had these elongated skulls.
And they were like, who are these people? And they
would always respond with, oh, that's the descendants of Arracoca.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So I guess walk us through some of the testing
and what you found. Are these indigenous people or are
these explorers that settled in a foreign land? What did
your tests.
Speaker 3: Find that that's a that's a great leading so we have.
What we did is we had eighteen skulls altogether, including
the ones that the Ministry of Culture let us test,
which resulted in fifty eight different samples, and some of
them many of the There was I believe around three
three or four skulls that were not part of the
Peruvian cash if you wanted to say that. Like as
I mentioned, one was up in Oregon, but even though
it said right on, somebody had written on it La Horoya, Peru.
And so even that one was allegedly from Peru. So
when we approached it, we decided, okay, we need to
do this carefully because why well, there I mean to
do science, You're gonna get You're gonna get attacked, Okay,
and that's fine, that's part of the peer review method. Okay.
So we weren't we weren't unopposed to having our our
results scrutinized. So we said, we need to do this
above board. And so there's a lot of information out
there and training as it relates to Susan Hammill wrote
a book on ancient DNA and and the mythology, Methodologies
of how to to work at and extracted et cetera.
So we ended up following those protocols. We followed the
protocols of our lab in Ontario, Canada, and we said, hey,
we want to make sure when we get in here,
we're doing this all legit. So we we had plenty
of garments and everything else, nets and procedures that would
help prevent any sort of contamination, et cetera, et cetera.
So we did all that as much. It was actually
quite laborious because when they put us in the room
in Eca, it was a very it was a very
They knew what we were doing. So it was kind
of a sanitized room. I'm not saying it was air
sealed and all that, but it was a sanitized room
that they had in their in their basically in their
archaeological museum, in their lab. It was basically a lab
type museum. And so we come in and we're doing
this and we we would we would garb up and
then we would go in there and we would extract
some DNA, whether it was the bone or hair too.
We would immediately tag it into some all fresh stuff
and then we would go out and we would change
our clothes and put new stuff on, just so that
we there could be no accusations because they still came anyway.
So we go we do all this and we decided, okay,
we had two labs. We had actually three labs, but
we had two labs that I included in my report,
and then we had another lab who would do carbon fourteen.
So what we wanted we wanted from let's say this
our particular skull skull be We were like, okay, let's
take some hair from it if we can, Let's take
some bone, or let's take a tooth. So we wanted
to have different types of from different places on the skull.
And then we would send those two different labs and
we wouldn't tell the labs what we were. We just said,
do the do a do it basically an ancient DNA
profile on this, and so we would not let them
know any information because that we wanted it to be
a double blind study. And what we were looking for
was which of that family, which is the ancestry it
came from. So ancient DNA degrades really really fast. I
mean in DNA by itself does okay, but one of
the reasons why it is lasts longer in Peru is
Peru even though it's right on the water. You gotta
think different. You know, I grew up in the north
I grew up in the Northwest, so I grew up
in Oregon. So you're by the ocean, and that means
it rains a lot. Okay for us, Okay, very very wet.
There's rainforest there, but that's because the jet stream is
coming from the west to the east. Well, in Peru
it's not like that. The Lima Corridor all the way
down to Paracas is one of the driest places in
the entire world. And so and you have a lot
of sand and sand dunes there. So it's when you
bury something. It's a great place for preservation. Okay, it's
not perfect like most again, dnage just by itself is
going to degrade. But it reminds me of some of
the places like in the Dead Sea Israel, or even
in Egypt, very very dry and deserty and sandy. Okay.
So what we did is we we were like, okay,
we want to test. We want the mitochondrial DNA. So
the mitochondrial DNA is from the mother's side, and just
just in nature, there's an abundance of that. It shows
the maternal line ancestry. Okay, Well, the nuclear DNA, the
father's line is there's less of it anyway, but it's
also doesn't because there's less of it, it also degrades
at a at a quicker rate. So most of the
time when you when you're looking at ancient DNA, you
will not always find the paternal side. And in this case,
in all of our samples, there was no nuclear DNA,
so we couldn't We couldn't now now source the father's ancestry,
but in the mothers we could. And so what what
the labs returned to us is they return to us
the these Haplo group letters, okay, from the mother's side.
And so most of indigenous people Native Americans here as
well as down through Central America and into into South
America comes from Haplo group B. And the B Happlo
group really originates primarily in I would say, China, not
I would say, but the sources tell us China or Mongolia.
And then so the idea is that these ancestors, you know,
thousands of years ago, made their way across the Bearing
straight when maybe it was frozen, and they made their
way down and then they begin to migrate around and
populate north all the Americas. So we were like, okay,
we're we Our goal was we're going to report whatever
we get, no matter what. And so sure enough of
the ECA of the schools that we got from ECA,
of the nine, four of them came back Happlow group
B indigenous. These were these were and we have I
have pictures, we have we have a we actually have
a boat out let's see. I get that anyways. But
in here is like our reports. It's all the pictures
and everything. But we document it because we're like, we
want to put it all out there in the record.
But there I have pictures. We have pictures of all
the skulls. We have them labeled. We can see the
front and the back. But you can see on these
that they were clearly artificially headboarded. There was no morphological
anomalies that were but we said we're going to test
them anyway, and sure enough they came back Haplo gurvi.
These are indigenous. Now it brings up a whole other
idea of why would people do this to their children anyway? Wow,
that's a whole kind of a religious or cultural question.
But so what we found then is when we got
all the data back and in my report I laid
it out as this is the skull skull B. This
was a piece of bone. Lab one gave us this
Haplo group, and then the tooth from Lab two gave
us this Haplo group. And you know what they matched that.
There was no there was The labs did a very
good job of and there I don't believe there was
any anomalies or inconsistencies there. But what we found was
fourteen of the eighteen skulls that we tested which were
very uniquely genetically different. Again, as we talked about, they're
from they're not indigenous to South America. They come from
the Middle East either a place like Israel. One of
them had it was from the ex Haplo group, which
is interesting because the ex Happlo group is a very
dominating characteristic of what is known as the Druze people
that live in live in Israel, especially in northeastern Israel,
which is again pretty fascinating. Not just them, but they
have a high concentration of the X. But it also
most of it came from either Eastern Europe, the Middle East,
or the Black Sea area, the Caucus region, and so
This was phenomenal because when we did the carbon fourteen dating,
especially on the baby of the Baby school and another one,
it came back to like eighty, like the first century
a D. So you're like, well, wait a minute, how
did these basically Caucasian people with elongated skulls make their
way to Peru around the first century or let's say
the first of five hundred and we do know that
the Parakus culture flourished during that time basically five hundred
BC to five hundred and eighty down in Peru, and
so this is not supposed, this doesn't fit the typical
coming across the land bridge of the Bringian you know theory.
And so we felt this was very, very powerful. It
was interesting. It coincided with what other archaeologists have seen
about the timing of the culture down there also the
amazing again textiles that they participated in. So we just
went line by line all of them, and again fourteen
of the eighteen came up to be unusual. And so
again this is the interesting thing is these are this
particular group down in Perracas is different than what you
mentioned earlier in the Conquista stores. And I know Tim
has done a lot of work on this. In some
of his documentaries, the Kaqi stars talked about red haired
giants like bigger people. Well, these were small people. So
somehow there's a difference even though the red yeah, there's
a different line somewhere, but they both shared again the
red hair, which again is not indigenous to that particular.
You don't go to China and see a redhead, right
or you know, got a mongoli and see a redhead.
Even Native Americans you don't see that, but these typically did.
And that's what was amazing about the baby is because
the baby was mummified, it was wrapped, and to see
that opened and there it was that this auburn type,
you know, black auburn harry are like, what in the world.
So this is where the science comes back. And just
to summarize the science, so we have now we have
DNA that's showing where they come from. It's not indigenous.
We have the morphological things in the skull again, the
fram and magnet and the icket, et cetera. Uh, you
can clearly see that that this is not even looking
at some of the vertebrae. It was very intriguing. We
were trying to get an MRI and we're still working
on there's still opportunities for us. We still have some
irons in the fire, if you want to say it
that way of trying to get MRIs or X rays
of some of these things. And but what's interesting is
that on that skull, like what what l what Tim did?
So you can see there if people just you put
your eyes up on that, I mean and you get
a normal one.
Speaker 2: It's those little dots what do they call those little
dots like they got they got two here and two
on the opposite side, two on the lower jaws and
all that stuff. But they found, you guys, found an
extra set on the top.
Speaker 3: Yes, just not on all of them, yes, just on
all of them. And there was what was interesting too,
was on one of the skulls they were trying to
ascertain like on a normal human you have places underneath
here where the basically nerves come through in order to
for feeling in your face. And we could not find
any of those on there. And and so we kind
of went back and forth. The team was kind of
going back and forth like, well, what does this mean?
Maybe got filled in uh, maybe you know, maybe there's
been some calssification this is pretty old, so we weren't
really definitive on that. But the so there were still
some anomalies that again, what would solve it, Well, if
we got a fresh one that we could but we
could see and so our desire is still to do
more research, but the proving government has shut it down.
But when Tim went and things have changed, right, So
we were there. We did most of our testing basically
in Ji seventeen and eighteen, so not eight nine years ago. Now. Well,
technology is advancing very quickly. So Tim was there a
few years ago and when he did his and they
did there, he got nuclear DNA. And when the nuclear
DNA came back, what he found was that it was unknown.
The father's side was not connected to anything in the
gen Bank, the International Genetic Database, And that's what our
thought was. We thought that probably would be the case.
But now to see there's been evidence that that is
the case. And now, granted it's one sample, you would
like to see more. Of course, that's the nature of science.
But I find that completely fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it kind of backs the biblical narrative of Genesis,
the fallen angels bread with the dollars of being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's one of the things that we that
we are looking at is what Genesis six tells us,
and it reveals to us that that angels interfered, that
fallen angels came down and interfered with human women and
they produced these offspring. But the other thing that we
that we wonder about, again, we have we have data.
We the interpretation of the data is it can go
a lot of different ways. Is what we see in
at least the paracus is there's there's somebody inter intervened
or something intruded into the normal genetic line.
Speaker 2: Now abnormality inserted itself.
Speaker 3: Yes, something that doesn't belong there under normal circumstances was
inserted in this line. Now was that done through normal
like Genesis six? Sexual reproduction? Did a fallen angel come
down and and mate with a with a smaller human
woman and then it produced this group? We don't really know.
But what we do know is if you go back
to the Black Sea area, the Caucus region, elongated schools
are well known to be there. So that goes back
again a couple thousand years. So somehow you have this
transmigration of a certain group. It seemed to be that
it started there did it continue to happen over there?
All we know is that the genetic the genome was
modified somehow. So that really is the key of what
we're watching and what we've demonstrated on this. The science
is very, very strong in that regard. Now, again I
don't have none of us have angelic DNA, okay, so
we can't make an association. All we know is that
there's some unknown portion that caused this elongation, which again
goes back to what we briefly mentioned, is that you
have what's typical is you have a class of people.
And this was kind of the way it was even
in the Inca, that the Inca were the elites, and
then you had everybody else that were trying to mimic them.
And so you had these parocous elite with the normal natural,
genetically modified elongated skulls. But then you had others that
were trying to mimic that class, and therefore they would
do this to their children. You think about that, I mean,
that's a huge thing to do to your child for
a few years simply just to mimic what the if
you want to call them the royal class. That's one
theory that that was the royal class or the elites,
and so it helps us to understand why this was
happening and why it was continuing to go on, and
why there's there's finks or why there is artificial ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing too. You might not be read
on this or stif on this, but this is something
that I've been looking into and it kind of correlates.
I've been reading up on Nicholas de Vere the Dragon
Court and that kind of stuff, and they claim that
they have the divine right to rule, that they stem
all the way back to the Ananochy, and he says
in these books, we were bred as a sub human
race to be smarter and rule over the sheep all.
And they come from the Scythian areas area and all
these elongated goals to increased brain case volume, smarter, you know,
if you've got a bigger brain, you'd assume anyway, assume
and they were red haired and green eyed race.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting about some of the thoughts on that too.
Is one of the things that that Tim did is
he had gone down and he had gone down into
you know, some of the more the natural reserves that
they have down in Peru, and they found that they
found the places, the dwelling places of where the parracus lived,
and they lived underground. So that's what's interesting now. It
makes sense, I guess, to live underground to be when
you're in the middle of the desert like that, that
there is no trees there. But they would take they
would capture whales and they would use the skeletons of
the whales to create these underground cavitt places. Well either
there there was there was even caves. But what they
found was that there didn't seem to be any evidence
of like torches, like light. And then we were theorizing
could it be that these big eyed I mean, these
small creatures with these long heads. You think about this,
I'll show you a picture these they walk it out
and their eyes are bigger, and their heads are longer,
and they're small, and they're coming out of out of
the ground. You'd be like, what in the world? Who?
What kind of You wouldn't think human necessarily, you might
think humanoid. Let me see if I can pull up
a picture here, and some of these are kind of
like uh, I would say, uh, there you go. Here,
here's one. Let's see if I can get this on
this on the screen. There you go. So this this
is this is kind of an idea of what it
would look like. And then let me see if I
can go here, there we go. Uh that, that, to
me is is pretty interesting from the side view. And
you picture someone like that walking out of the ground
and and then looking at you, you you would you
would kind of freak out. Let me, she's got a
couple other, uh, a couple other good renditions of what
they might look like. I mean that that's not you
can't fully CRANI will deform that. I'll give you one
more here, which I think is kind of interesting. Let
see this way. So this is where she kind of
interprets with maybe some Native American type paint or something
like that, and then she has several of the other
there we go. So to me, she's got several renditions
of it of what they might look like. I can
guarantee you anybody walking along and seeing somebody walk out
like that, you would not think, oh hey, bro, what's up?
I mean, you know, fellow human being, you would wonder
how are they different than us? And this is this
is what caused us to wonder about like a Homeo
instead of Homo sapien sapien, which we are is like
Homo sapien Parracas, because these are a very unique group
that appear, that are very sophisticated, and especially in their textiles.
You go there, it's phenomenal. And then they just disappear
from history, just disappear. And there's some There was one guy,
he was a professor named Lars. I referenced him in
the book in the bibliography. He was doing some stuff
and he was analyzing skeletons basically twenty ten, twenty fourteen,
and he wrote several papers. I had reached out to him,
but I never heard back from Hi, because all I
wanted to know was what he was analyzing was skeletons
from Paracas the DNA. I believe he worked at the
UCLA lab and or worked there close there, and he
was looking at the Nosca, like we know about the
Nosca lines right all over the place down and proved.
And so the theory was that the Parrakas morphed and
migrated out and became the Nosca, and so he was
looking at genic markers to see if that was the case.
And now, so when you look at it, you think, oh,
that's good research. But what I wanted to know and
I eat this is my email them on was Okay,
there's definitely a paracous indigenous there's a Procus people there
that again these are the ones that were artificially deforming
their children's head, okay, and there's the Nosca people okay.
And there's clearly a geographical association. My question was, were
the we're the the DNA that you were getting from
the Paracas. Were those schools elongated because obviously there was
people that live there that didn't have elongated schools. So
was he connecting was he comparing that indigenous group into
becoming the Nosca group? And where does the elongation of
the schools come in to play in which group? So,
as far as I know, it's interesting that some of
the science it's like they've just put the blinders on.
They have tunnel this and they've lost interest in finding
out what these creatures were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, and uh, how do I approach this with
the LA's theory that I read in his book and
on his DVDs, he kind of throws out the idea.
You know, of course, it's just a theory. That's all
we could do is, you know, make some educated guesses
here with him trying to remain biblically referenced. He mentions
the cleansing of the Holy Land with Joshua and Caleb.
And maybe during this stuff people were heading north, you know,
into city Black Caucus area mountains. The Phoenicians and the
people that knew how to sell just kind of took
off toward the New World, and maybe this is how
this happens. I just want to know what's what was
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, when you look it was interesting because as
we were researching this, you know, of course we have
Joshua chapter eleven, and in Joshua eleven, we know that
Joshua during the conquest came in to the land, and
Joshua eleven, verse twenty one through twenty three says clearly
that the Anachem. The Anachem are connected with the Nephelem
in numbers thirteen. So the anacheme it says that they fled,
they fled from Joshua's you know, basically domination. God was
with Joshua, and it said they fled west, and we
know it lists the cities it lists at kron Ashdod Ashkalon, Gath,
and Gaza five the five Pentapolis cities of the Philistines.
So you're talking, you know, this is fourteen hundred BC.
So they flee west. That's the biblical record, and we
know later that this guy shows up and for Samuel
seventeen named Goliath, and that's where I did my archaeological
work was in Gath. And it's interesting there at Gath
is one of the places that's mentioned in Joshua eleven.
It's just huge, tell I mean, it's it's really is huge,
and it's it goes back to at least the Late
Bronze Age or even into the later into the middle
you're talking late Bronze ages fifteen hundred BC and and
and who knows how far back as they're continue to excavate.
So these these Anakin flee there fourteen hundred BC. Well,
later Golias shows up. He's from Gath, and this is
around one thousand and thirty twenty, right around there BC.
So several centuries later they're still there, and so they're
hanging out and then what was interesting about and then
you have the record, you know, you kind of have
a little bit in first and second Samuel and chronicles. David,
you know, and his mighty Man go after the brothers
and the other one at Tebron. So you have the
you have the giants there, but then they kind of
disappear from history after that. But what's interesting about it
is you do see this this exodus West, as you
mentioned different parts and some of the stuff that Tim
has done in Sardinia, Malta. It's phenomenal. Now you have
these giant clans out in the basically out in the Mediterranean. Well,
there's a Greek historian, a Christian Greek historian named Procopius.
So he's writing in about five hundred a d. And
he's discussing. He writes about this. I came across this
and I thought, la, you got to see this. This
is pretty amazing. So he writes about a pillar. So
five hundred and eighty there's a pillar that's on the west,
the northwest coast of Africa over by basically Atlantic and
the pillar is this pillar in Phoenician language, which Phoenician Lange,
which is basically Paleo Hebrew. Most of the languages, they
would say, those at least those Northwest Semitic languages ultimately
come back to Phoenician, especially the script. Okay, it says
in Phoenician on this white, big pillar that Procopius writes,
we are those who fled from Joshua, the son of None,
the robber. Now that is phenomenal because it's not just
some random Joshua name. It's Joshua, the son of Nune.
So of noon, if you want to say, so, that
puts it. This is a biblical character. Now that's being
referenced by Procopius on this pillar on the northwest coast
of Africa, by those who fled from him. So this
is where the trail, at least from a archaeological or
or at least a epigraphical perspective, kind of goes cold
because that pillar is no longer around. Who knows where
it is, But it's documented at a point in time
in five hundred and eight D. And now, granted that
if he saw the pillar he writes of the pillar,
that pillar would have been there a thousand years or
maybe eight hundred years earlier, nine hundred years earlier than
what Procopius saw. But when you see all of the
megalithic structures and the building that had gone on all
through Sardinia and other places in basically the Mediterranean and
even up into again Malta into Spain. La has done
some work there as well, looking at again these this
megal megalithic what's known as Cyclopean structures, the fact that
they were able to build all these things and they
build a pillar, which that wouldn't be any surprise. So
then the theory is, then if we see him migrating
from basically central Israel out through up to probably Lebanon
modern Lebanon, or what we see is Lebanon today, Phoenicia,
down into the Philissine area, off to the Mediterranean, to
Sardinia and other islands, off over to Spain, off over
to northwestern northwest Africa, it's not unreasonable to think that
then they continued their their progression all the way into
the Americas, which is again it brings up the mounds
and other things that as we said earlier, of large men,
redheaded men, being giants, being buried in the mounds very
very deep, and brings up a whole other situation of
what was going on in the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one thing too, I thought was really
fascinating was they talked about maybe the sea levels being
quite a bit higher back then, and maybe there was
a channel that went, you know, from New England area
into the Great Lakes. And then the copper mine that
they found, was it Royal Eye Island.
Speaker 3: Or Island Royale, Yeah, Michigan off Lake Superior.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they even found the Phoenician ship carved into a
big stone there. And it just kind of makes sense
because then there's the Ohio River Valley.
Speaker 3: Just go stress makes too much sense, it makes a
lot of sense, and again it doesn't fit. It doesn't
fit the narrative, the modern narrative. And this is where
you know, I'm working on a book and I've just
I need to get done because so far I've uncovered
some evidence and in the Smithsonian records, because what you
have there, and basically the thesism of the book is
the giants of the Smithsonian in their own words, because
today when you go there like nothing to see year
never happened. Well, if you go back to some of
the early writings, you know the in the Smithsonian really
began around eighteen fifty and what they would do is
they would provide a field report. Basically it's called the
Annual Report of this up for the Board, the Board
of the Smithsonian Annual Report, and then that goes from
roughly eighteen fifty all the way through. But then around
eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty, there had been so much
research being done that they decided to create the Bureau
of Ethnology, and the Bureau of Ethnology then begin to
focus specifically on the ethnic groups and the ethnic history
of North America. And so within that now you have
this major documentation of not only the Smithsonian. This Smithsonian
ended up. I think they dug around two thousand mounds,
So there's hundreds of thousands of mounds, you know, basically
east of the Mississippi. Some even say claim it's up
to a million. Many of them are either eroded down
or maybe they have trees on them now so you
don't see them. It just looks like a hill with trees.
Light oars very good at finding mounts. But at what
they begin to do is they begin to document. And
so what I what I did is I went and
found and I docum. I downloaded all of these PDFs.
Some of them are are are their decent quality, some
of them the ocr The optical character recognition is a
little bit iffy, but I've just been I've just been
going through them and looking for seven foot just the
phrase seven footer, eight footer, you know, giant, gigantic, this,
gigantic acts whatever. And it's interesting the stuff that you
find in the reports. And so one of my favorites
is it talks about a skull that was found that
was dug up. Again, this is in the Smithsonian report.
I'm not making it up, Okay, So they talk about
a skull that was thirty six inches in diameter being uncovered. Well,
the normal human is twenty two to twenty three, so
you're talking, you know, that's what thirty five percent bigger,
fifty percent bigger in that in that sense of a
skull that imagine holding that in your hand. So clearly
there's evidence of eight footers in seven footers all all through,
not say all, but abundant in many ways in these reports.
And so the idea that the Smithsonian says there's nothing
to see or nothing happened is just false. Uh, you
have a shift that took place. Squire Davis were one
of the first worst, one of the best people. They
wrote a book, very well done book on the Mississippian culture.
It was the first real monograph that was approved and
accepted by the Smithsonian. They would do that. Each year,
they would they would publish something. Well, this got published
again in the eighteen fifties, and you can read about it.
And they describe in their view at the time, they
describe a pre They use the term prehistory, a prehistorical
race of people, and they call him the mound builders,
separate from the Native Americans. Well, that is not accepted today,
Oh my gosh. They When John Wesley Powell came in
roughly around eighteen eighty, he was an art and evolutionist.
He was connected with Charles Darwin, Charles Lyle, they're all buddies.
This is when you see the shift happening in the
in the ages between when when again, Origin of Species
was published in eighteen fifty nine, as well as some
of the again Lyle as a geologists, et cetera. So
you're beginning to see the shift of a challenge of
the status quo that you could have. I mean, again,
we're we're evolving, we are the best, okay. And so
when John Wesley Powell came in, he put a very
strong and cyrus I forgot what Cyrus was another one
of his basically right hand man, and he began to
write and he at first he was very open to
the idea of a distinction that the mound builders were
not Native Americans. But when your boss is telling you
certain things and some people say, well, maybe it was
the evidence, Maybe maybe it was, but I don't think so.
I think there was a clear line at that moment
where there was no more acceptance of this idea that
there was that these mound builders were somehow sophisticated and
superior with their geometry and there are other things with
even archaeo astronomy was not going to be accepted. And
that's when you see that, and then you go into
really about nineteen hundred. The guy Herolica, he's got a
very interesting name for the Smithsonian. He was even more
adamant that they began to squash any reports of any
sort of large giants or other things being discovered. This
is why it's fascinating, and this is the nature of
this is academic snobbery. Okay, at its finest, everybody knows
that from eighteen seventy to nineteen thirty, or maybe even
nineteen forty or nineteen fifty. There are hundreds, if not
thousands of articles that are written in newspapers, New York Times,
all across America. Because Joe blows out there digging in
his backyard. He's digging a mound open, he's looking for treasure,
and then when he digs it open, he finds an
eight foot skeleton or a nine foot skeleton. And so
you have and you have again thousands of these being
reported in these periodicals. Well, if I in school, when
I was doing my grad work, if I quoted the
Washington Post or the New York Times or the Los
Angeles Times, I probably would not get a good grade
on that because that's not peer reviewed. It's an article.
You might have some editorial review for a newspaper, but
it wasn't peer reviewed by those that are experts in
the field necessarily unless it was a guest article. So
they immediately rule out all of those documents, all those
reports in any sort of unscientific newspaper is completely ignored.
And to me, that's the academic snobbery. When you when
you show that, they go they immediately just attack it.
You can't believe that, well did people, and so some
of them will claim, well, they didn't really know how
to measure. You're telling me people didn't know how to
measure the size. I mean, Squire and Davis were phenomenal.
I mean people knew how to measure the length of
a skeleton that was in the ground or that they
dug up. Is every one of them true? I'm not
saying that either. Okay, we got to be we gotta
be wise, but to dismiss them all out of the way.
That's why my goal is to be has been scouring
in the documents, the Bureau of Ethnology reports as well
as the annual field reports of the Smithsonian themselves, because
I can't include something outside of that from again any
other periodical.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem with mankind. We want to be
right instead of searching for the truth. And it's you
had that all with the what they call it Clovis
First Movement. They were you know, people were digging up
stuff and finding stuff older, and there's even reports of
people saying, you know, don't go no deeper. You know,
we don't want to find that stuff because this is
what we're settled in on here. And all these people
they spend their life writing books and doing lectures and
they're known to be the expert of this certain thing.
They don't want to give up that throne, even if
they know the truth is contradictory to what they've been teaching,
because then they will lose their throne, they will lose
their credibility and their pomp, and so a lot of
that stuff comes into play.
Speaker 3: It's so easy today too, that you know, there's there's
books out there, you know, myth of the mound builders,
and you know which again, it's easy to go find
a scientific, you know, archaeologist today, you know that's tenured
in American you know meso American archaeology that will toe
that line. I mean, that line started to get you know,
it started to get followed and obeyed is a better
word from the Smithsonian from John Wesley Powell on you
see again, Smithsonian is a very powerful institution. It has
been in that academic world for a long time. And
when you start, it's like the nature of today. You know,
if you come out if you're a tenured professor or
you're just a you know, somebody in a position and
you're getting grants and you come out and you speak
something that is against generally the status quo. Then you
might lose your funding, you might lose your position, you
might lose your status, you might lose your reputation. It's
interesting how the academic world today they've put up all
the safeguards, which not that there's not good scientific work
being done, of course there is, but there's but it
also is stifled. It stifles the outside viewpoint that doesn't
fall in mind. And that really is what you saw
happen from about nineteen hundred on with the Smithsonian, and
it's an influence. The other interesting thing that you brought
up earlier, which I've seen this firsthand, because you know
I've been I've been still doing research at certain places
at mounds in Ohio and other places across America where
we have been excavating mounds looking for Ultimately, what are
we looking for? I can tell you I'm not looking
for treasure. You know what a treasure is to me?
Treasure is not gold. A treasure is an eight foot giant.
That's what a treasure is to me. To remove it, no,
I want to leave it. I want to document it.
That's what I want to do and not take it up.
But what's interesting in this endeavor you brought up. NAGPRA
is this new law that requires the repatriation of what
has now been labeled as Native American basically burials or culture. Well,
what's happened in this is, as you mentioned as well,
some of the if you can get some of the
Native Americans to go on record years ago, they would say,
we didn't we didn't build these We don't have no
record of building these mountains. It was somebody before us. Well,
what that law requires. If I'm on my private property,
I can do whatever i want. I can excavate, I
can uncover, I can do whatever I want. But the
NAGPRA law, and it gets people scared. Anybody that's in
any land that is associated with the government or associated
with any sort of university that gives getting government funding,
they will not excavate anymore because or any any human
remains or any other things like that, because that's part
of the law. Now, So then what weapons is if
you're a Native American, there's when you look at the
history of what the United States has done to the
Native American people, it's obviously is it's not it's not good, right,
It's very lots of betrayals, lots of backstabbing, lots of
breaking of the covenants and agreements and treaties. Okay, so
we all know that that's just a history of America. Okay,
so today, what what happened, what I've seen is a
lot of the northern North. Like, for example, we went
to this place in Arkansas. We went to a museum
and in the museum, it was a it was a
it was a museum that was that was housing artifacts
of the University of Arkansas. So we got permission from
one of the professors there are the archaeologists, and she
went through and she was showing us several of the artifacts.
It was like, oh, this is pretty cool. We could
see sure enough they hadn't they had an elongated goal
and it wasn't as dramatic as like this guy right there,
but it was still elongated. And this was a skull
that was found basically in Oklahoma. And so we said, well, hey,
can we do a can we do small extraction and
do some DNA testing on this? We would love to
see and check this out. Well, the archaeologists, well, hey,
that's not my decision to make. You have to go
to all of the Native American tribes and you got
to get permission from them. Well, the Native American tribes,
now it's in their best interest to even if if
their history shows that they had nothing to do with
the mounds, now you have the American government protecting certain
parts of their land from any sort of intrusion. So
even if they weren't the ones that built the mound,
but that mound is on their land, they're going to
say no. And that's what they did. They say no.
They say, oh, according to Nagra that these are our ancestors.
It's like, yeah, but your history says that they're not
your ancestors. It doesn't matter. So this extra protection that
has now it's I don't know if it's in their favor.
It seems like it's in their favor. It's not in
the favor of I would say historical or scientific research.
So now what we're seeing is even if the Native
American history doesn't believe it, they're still allowing that law
to help them in their endeavors.
Speaker 2: Oh no, So I might do a comment in here,
and I wanted to throw it up and have you
check it out.
Speaker 3: What it says.
Speaker 2: When Hernon DeSoto traveled through the South parts of America, Alabama, Georgia,
Arkansas and such that he encountered a king to Tuscaluska
and had an elongated school himself.
Speaker 3: Absolutely there. Again, this goes back to other there's other
reports that I've wrote about recently similar to that, where
you come along and there's especially in Florida, you have
the conquistadors in normal size, you know, five six to
five ten, and they come along and they meet these
the at least these guys were friendly, friendly people living
there who were seven feet plus and and and the
and it shows that this particular drawing, it was drawing
from the basically seventeenth sixteenth century, and it shows but
the king had a headdress on, but you could see
that his if you, if you, if you extrapolated out,
you'd said, that looks like he's got an elongated skull
under there. But with the headdress it was really hard
to show it. But there is no doubt that you
find some examples in some of again some of the
early explorers of that exact thing.
Speaker 2: Now, look now I'm not muted. Well, Mondo, I don't
want to take any more of your time. I know
you're a really busy man, but I'm so thankful that
you took the time out to talk with me, and
I meant what I said. I hope this is the
first of many conversations that we can have because we
share similar fast and I'd love to just bounce some
ideas off of you sometimes and just just wrap it up.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, I mean this, and you know we're
we're not done yet. We uh we continually tell people
that if if you have a mount and and uh
it's on it's on your property and it's never been excavated,
let us know, because we will come do some ground
penetrating radar and some other scientific endeavors on it in
order to see what's there. And we would love again
our goal is simply to uncover something because we know
that I mean the typical conspiracy and you see this, honestly,
you see it in the writings. Hey, such and such
was found in the Smithsonian came and took it away.
Now people just laugh at all conspiracy theorists. Well, it's
interesting that you know, hundreds and hundreds of those articles
that's exactly what they say, and so it is no surprising. Again,
it goes back to the whole phenomena that you find
and the Raiders of the Lost Arc. You know, they
take the arc and they put it on a shelf
somewhere in some museum basement. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing is that they tail on
themselves and then they just expect us to be like, oh,
that's hyperbole or that was just you know, being facetious.
You know, absolutely, wondo man, before we go, just a
case somebody tuned in light or something like that, let
everybody know where they can find you, your material, your books.
Go ahead and plug your stuff away, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. I just everything that I do
is found at prophecywatchers dot com and all of our media,
television other places there. All of our background leads us
to our YouTube channel, which you know, we're all over
social media as well, but that's primarily the place where
most of the stuff that I'm doing gets shared. And
of course, you know, connected with Eli Marsouli done stuff
with Tim Albarino as well. Those guys are brothers, and
we're all looking for the same thing. We're looking for
some adventure, but we're also looking for truth and it's exciting.
I mean, we know that there's a La says all
the time there's a there's a hidden history that has
been obfuscated. And that's a great phrase because we do
know that there's an agenda to hide some of these
things again, the history of our world. And this is
why I think people are interested. People are smart enough
to look beyond some of the academic snobbery that you
have in modern in the modern scientific endeavors.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with one ever said, I love that
big twenty dollars. Oh word, I use it a lot
obvious gate Yes, makes me makes me feel smart, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, hope you enjoyed that man because I did.
And be sure to check out his stuff. Man, if
you've not been exposed to it, maybe this conversation will
show you. This guy is a down to earth guy,
but he's a really smart guy, well researched guy. I
think you will enjoy his stuff very much. But guys, hey, man,
thank you so much for tuning in. I just want
you to let you. Guys know, man, I appreciate you
and you just got to ember God. It's the difference
between the known and the unknown, my friends, that is
the journey. It's a good journey, my friends.
Speaker 4: If the path is the the truth, so we steal
the fasier, not to burn it down, but to all
no one still frozen by the last past around. They
call it day for thinking.
Speaker 3: They