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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show

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Speaker 2: Our minds and grow not what we want.

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Speaker 1: If you are looking for an echo chamber viewer and

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listener discretion, he's ablished.

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Speaker 3: Did you talk about extreme ledge crime? We will guilty

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from the stunt.

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Speaker 4: They don't fear the questions, they fear the fuck so

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we see the.

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Speaker 3: Just see through slow.

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Speaker 4: They come pros.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, but.

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Speaker 4: The dark.

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Speaker 3: Show?

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Speaker 4: What a real?

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, what is happening? And what is a hold

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be much much appreciated. Well, guys, man, this is a

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guest that I followed for several years. Man, and you

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guys already know it's ad h squirrel with me, you know,

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so the shiny litw objects or whatever's in front of

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me is what I think about. But I happen to

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see this guy a post on the Instagram or a

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friend of mine show, and I'm like, man, I've been

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meaning to reach out this guy forever. I just need

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to just reach out and do this thing. And he

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was kind enough to come on with us. So this

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is the first time coming on the show, but hopefully

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this is the first of many. But I like to

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welcome to the show for the first time. Mister Mondo

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Gunzaliz Mondo. How you doing, my friend, I'm doing very well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, thank you so much for spending your valuable

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time with me. Man. I tell people all the time

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that's life's most valuable asset. So I'm really appreciative you're

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spending it with me.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely good fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've got some bangers to talk about, man,

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because like I said, pre roll with you. This is

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something that I think a majority of people in this

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space don't realize that you had a hand in because

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I've not seen you talk about it much. But of

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course it's been maybe ten years or so since that

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went down. But I wanted to pick your brain on

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the Elongated Skulls today.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: But just in case somebody is new to this channel

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clicked because they seen the artwork or the subject matter

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and not familiar with you and who you are, go

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ahead and just take this time to introduce yourself to

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the listeners and who you are and what you do.

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Speaker 3: My brother, Yeah, I appreciate that. The short story, I

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was a raised a Christian. I got saved at eighteen and

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then changed my world. And then after that began to

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just to study the Bible and to study history, and

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bachelor's degree in Jewish studies, trying to understand again the

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history of the world. Then I went on and got

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a master's degree in Biblical archaeology and languages, and got

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all throughout the Middle East and many times. And then

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and that was always very enjoyable. And then in coming

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particular journey began in twenty fourteen when I was following

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the ufology side which he's been He's got series on that.

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a researcher, which very few people have. So I recommend

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all his stuff. It's just it's pretty pretty neat.

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go to these places, do some filming and stuff like that.

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lot of footage and drone footage. It's just a matter

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languages and other things, or even you know, excavation, and

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the sense of because ninety percent of the time you're

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just working, you're you're actually physically working on things, you know,

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so you really have to be committed. It's not like

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golden skull at every time, because that's not the way

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of the ground, you know, and you're watching this one

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hour video and they find three or four fascinating things

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through that experience and heading down that way, because that

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La Marzouli. I mean, this is like the all star

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team for Frangi Christians, you know what I mean.

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in twenty fourteen is when he had filmed the unwrapping

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of the of the Baby Skull, and so there was

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a little tiny skull that they had from Wan Davarro's museum,

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and it had been wrapped in these textiles, and so

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it was it was actually very well preserved. They didn't

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back then said I'll let you do it. So they

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some samples, and when they unwrapped it was pretty amazing.

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the scene, and so they had unwrapped it and the

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it was like a blackish red, which is not indigenous

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to that culture down there. So that was pretty amazing.

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up here who have long discussed fighting red hair giants

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here in North America. Now, granted, it's interesting that we

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can unpack this, for sure, but the you have different

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moment La. To LA's credit, he wanted to make sure

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that everything was done above board because when you especially

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of Culture of Peru. And so when I came along,

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me all the information and so I created a proposal,

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a very outlined proposal of our hypothesis. And our hypothesis

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parocous culture because this is a very small people. They're

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small people with the elongated skulls, very large eyes, the

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a lot of mystery. And if you can go back

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what has been done that is in the museums today

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cranial deformation? And then we wanted to see basically how

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do we get the stuff out of Peru legally? So

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and translated it into Spanish. This is way before you

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gave us a whole bunch of other ideas just about

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then we want to go to the next stage, which

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now one hundred years later, so can we can get

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something new and fresh. So that was our proposal, and

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the midst of that we weren't idle. We actually went

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there was a school. I was living up in Washington

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State at the time, and so there was a skull

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that was we call it the Organ School, And we

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went down to southern Oregon and we took some extractions

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from that had that DNA test that we could talk

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about that later, but anyways, that was the kind of

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the progression. So finally in twenty seventeen, we get a

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phone call from our archaeologist, our basically our laison down

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in Peru, and we had gone through several not sure why,

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and he said, hey, you got approval to come down

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and take the samples. You have two weeks. We're like what.

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So we had to assemble a few of us together

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immediately to get down there, and and that's really where

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it ended up, our arrival into into Peru again in

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order to take the samples and and so and then

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there's it kind of continues on, but that was kind

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of the background.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's one thing about the digging. You know,

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they don't show you the six months before you found

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the item. So we saw that film and read the books,

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and we didn't know it took two years of preparation

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just to even get you foot in the door. Man,

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that's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was actually you know, La and

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to Peru, there's certain parts of Peru that are very beautiful,

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you know, Cusco and much Peach, you and other things

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in the mountains, but the bureaucracy is just horrible, you know.

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And there they have like every like everybody, the Ministry

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of Culture, they have a and this is understandable. They're

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just desire is to protect the culture of Peru. And

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so but what that means though, that comes with the

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double edged sword, because it means that's a good thing, right,

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They're protecting the artifacts and the material culture there. But

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the second thing is they're very careful at anything that

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might disrupt the narrative of their history. And so what

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I mean by that is it's typical for them to

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say that, for examples, relates to the Inca, you know,

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the Inca built you know, subs woman socks and a

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woman and these other places in Cusco, and and yet

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there's all this megalithic structures there. And so if you

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if you challenge that, even our good friend Albert tim Alberino,

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he's he had he shares the story when he was

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talking up I mean, Tim is an expert on this,

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he lived in Peru for a long time, and so

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he's just up there talking about the differences between the

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Inca structures and the previous and man, he got he

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got ran out of the site because when you challenge

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that status quo, you're you're basically saying all this beautiful

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stuff was not created by the Inca, it was created

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by a different culture. And so the modern Peruvian people,

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they they they see themselves as the descendants of the Inca.

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Which that's fine, okay, But to say that your descendants

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didn't build this, it was somebody else that that that

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comes off as insulting. And so anyways, so this sets

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up a very precarious situation in that what we were

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trying to do again, we weren't. We weren't making any

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broad claims. That wasn't our goal. Our goal was simply

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to get the DNA. We wanted the DNA and to

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see where it originated from and its age. And so

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when when we ended up finally getting down there, we

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we we show up and what was great though we

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were very prepared. We walked in to the Eco Museum,

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which is a regional museum not too far a few

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hours from from Lima, and they had arranged for us

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to have a room to do our work, and then

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they from their collection. A lot of the Parrakas schools

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and the other material culture, textiles and other things is

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housed at this museum, and so they provided to us

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nine schools that we had never had access to before,

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and they said, can you would you be willing to

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take samples from this and test them? And we're like,

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that's phenomenal, we would love to do that. So we

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show up and they provide all this, and so we

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ended up taking the ones from the private museum, and

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then we extracted a bone, powder and teeth and even

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hair if we could from the other schools at the

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Eco Museum. And then what they told us was as

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we were collating all of it, Chase Clotsi was there,

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well known, she's trained in this, and so she basically

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cataloged it all and then I ended up putting together

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the report afterwards with all the different information. After it

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got sent off the labs and all the results came back.

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But they tell us we said Okay, well we want

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to we need the information. We need the provenance of

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these other schools that you provided for us, because these

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are now many of them are in the museum, which

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was kind of neat because for them those schools were many.

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Many of them were excavated, sometimes through archaeologists, you know,

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like Juliu Teo's example, but some of them also were

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just looting cars. Yeah, the Wacaro's. Yeah, the Wacaro's are

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it's just Spanish for grave Robert And basically that you

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would go out, I've been to Chongos that the there's

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some interesting things there which we can talk about. But

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the Wacaros would gout and they would dig these up

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on their own, and then they would they would look

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for anything, and they would go to sell in on

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the black market. Well, many of the stuff, even in

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the museum was looted from a from a funerary context,

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a burial and so. But they told us, well, the

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the stuff in the private museum, you don't need a

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you don't need permission to remove that from the country,

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And we're like, what we learned this now, But it

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was actually kind of good, So that whole process was unnecessary.

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We could have taken legally the bone and the teeth

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from the private schools out of the country and had

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them tested without any legal issues. But by going through

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the process, I think it was helpful because we the

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Ministry of Culture saw our efforts and and and they said, hey,

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we we approve this. We think you're legitimate, we accept

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your credentials, and we accept your project. So that was

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that was a stamp of approval by very very strict

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culture Ministry of Culture on our project. And again, as

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I said, they even offered us some schools to test

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and to extract DNA or material from which would be

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DNA tested. So we did all that altogether. We finished

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that and then it took a little bit of time

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to get the material sent off and then of course

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after that we were getting the results back and collating

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all of it and bring it together, and it was

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it was an interesting experience. And we can talk about

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as well the Chongos area, which most people would be

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familiar with that, but that was kind of that was

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kind of the scenario. And then it led to us

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getting it back and then having a press conference in

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January of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Well, going in, did you have any your preconceived notions

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of what these are, because I know a lot of

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people say, oh, it's aliens, or no, it's a hybrid race,

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and then there's a lot of the mainstream want to

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say it's all headbinding. What was you thinking going yet?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think like a I mean,

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I love conspiracy. That's I think the best thing. What

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does that do for me? It keeps me open minded

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at least, But I don't that's not my first default,

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and so I think black an archaelogist. I think like

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a scientist. I want evidence, I want proof, I want

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I want I want again the tangible scientific empirical method.

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That's my that's my goal. And so as I was

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going in, there's no doubt as you can see behind

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me here right there, that is the Chongo skull. Move

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this there, I can move this way. People can see it.

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It is one of the largest elongated schools in anywhere,

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and it's at the Eco Museum, and so when we

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went there we were able to see it. So as

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you go in, you see pictures of these things and

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you go, what is this even real? I remember the

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first time that I had seen them, I was like,

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this can't even be real. How does that even happen?

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How does this? How does this happen in a real way?

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So then then you start learning about headbinding, artificial cranial deformation.

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And when you go to the museums there they take

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a very again naturalistic approach, which is honestly that's the

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way of all scientific method They don't necessarily allow for

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any sort of supernatural elements. Which that's my worldview. Yes,

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I do believe in angels, I do believe in God, absolutely,

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I do believe there's other enemies of God at work

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in our world and so that have interacted with mankind

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in the past, So that doesn't bother me. But when

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you go to the museums, they basically say, look these

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even this one, this one here, there's four different types

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of cranial deformation, you know, you know, headbinding. And so

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the typical idea is, well, this happens when a child

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is very young and as we know, the skulls aren't

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hardened yet, and so they bind it up together and

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it takes a period of time and then by the

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by do that, they'll they'll change the shape. Okay, but

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what we found and this is what, like I believe

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is Aaron Aaron Judkins did and where they did, and

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some others on the team, they they just they did

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volume test with these. You know, with the schools you

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can see you can get in there, and so they

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would measured out volume from a like they'd put rice

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in there, whatever, and they would be able to measure

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the weight and everything else. Well, what you found was

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it's kind of like taking a balloon. If you have

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a balloon that's round today and it has a certain

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amount of fine specific amount of air in it, if

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you shape it and you elongate it, you can certainly

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do that and maybe you even tie a rope around

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it to make it long like this. Okay, it's not

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going to change the amount of volume inside there. It's

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going to shape the volume, but it's not going to

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increase the volume. And so what is found on these

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particular skulls is that the volume is increased and again

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the eye sockets are between twenty five and forty percent larger.

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So and there's some other genetic anomalies that again that

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our team was able to discover as we did this.

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And so that's the interesting thing about it is when

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you come in on this, you say, what the world,

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and then what's the goal. Well, the goal is to

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investigate it, so let's investigate it. That's why we had

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an anthropologist, we had a chiropractor trying to look at

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the way that the school is set and the way

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that the neck is set. We had a medical doctor

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on our team. We had an optimologist on the team

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looking on this. So we had we brought together a

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variety of experts to say, hey, how is this? Is

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this typical? Is this typical? Is is normal? Whatever? Just tell

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us just I mean, it could be or it's not.

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So that's what we found was pretty fascinating. And when

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you go especially this thats goal behind me. When we

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went to the Eke Museum and we were able to

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go and it's in LA's film on this and they

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bring it out. We were not allowed to take any

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samples from this. That was fine, but what we wanted

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to do is one of the most important elements that

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our anthropologist found out Rick Woodward, is he's an expert

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in osteology and especially in schools, and so this is

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the first time that know that anybody ever discovered this,

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that we've ever read in any of the literature. Was

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if you turn the skull over the frame and magnet

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is is ever every human skull has it. It's the

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place where your spinal cord comes up into the basically

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into the into the skull, and it's pretty centered on

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on on humans. It's because you've got balanced there. So yes, there,

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there you go. Now that one. See that one's not

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see how it's pushed backwards towards it puts back towards

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the stem where the skull goes off. And that's what

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we found was that on the on the ones that

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didn't seem to be cranial are artificially deformed, that that

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firm and magnum was shifted back to the occipital plate

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where where it's the crest there. Yep. So you're thinking, wow,

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that's not centered. And so Rick was like, hey, I

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want to see more of these. So then this was

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the thing this is that we noticed. And and when

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you when you artificially modify a baby, it doesn't push

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the foremen magnum back because it would end up pinching

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the entire spinal cord to nothing and then you'd end

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up killing the child. And so this is this is

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what was found. And so when we went to see

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the this is called the Chango skull again, the big one.

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And we were like, okay, if you're not gonna let

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us test it, can we at least see it? And

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they said well, and we we like beggdam because we

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wanted to see it. So they brought it out and

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we said, all we want to see is just turn

480
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,559
it over. Just turn it over for us, and so

481
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,799
we have this kind of dramatic moment in one of

482
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,079
LA's films where we turn it over and there it

483
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400
was exactly what you just saw. It was shifted back

484
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,440
to the excipital crest and you're like, this, this is

485
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,240
not a normal human skull. And so it makes us realize,

486
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:03,519
and it was making us realize, are these things release

487
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,640
things genetically born this way? Now? If that's the case,

488
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,839
that is huge because there has been reports and we

489
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,200
have some of it documented in some of the earlier writings,

490
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,880
going back to really i would say the mid twentieth century,

491
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:24,039
where there were people who were excavating and they found mummies.

492
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:27,880
There's lots of mummies there, but they found mummies that

493
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,640
were pregnant and inside. You don't have pictures back then,

494
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,680
but you have drawings and the drawing showed that the

495
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,839
baby inside the womb had an elongated head, and so

496
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,519
so of course that's an amazing claim, right, Okay, well,

497
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:50,759
most scientists and archaeologists or whatever, they're dismissing that. But

498
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,880
our research was able to show these genetic anomalies that

499
00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:02,720
could not happen solely through artificial cranial deformation, especially like

500
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,359
again the eye sockets. Just because you ship shift the

501
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,039
skull around, it's not going to change the eye sockets

502
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,279
as well. And there were some other the condyles inside

503
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:17,839
were we're more more robust. And one of the people

504
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,319
that we had on our team I can show this

505
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,599
to you later, is she was a I wouldn't call

506
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000
her graphic ours. She was more like a biological artist.

507
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,720
And she she basically took the skulls and then designed

508
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,240
what they would look like in real life. And it

509
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:40,039
was based on all the again, all the morphological structures

510
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,839
and the biological uh you know, characteristics of everything. It's

511
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,920
pretty phenomenal that she did. So this is where we

512
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,440
this is where we land now. Were there at the

513
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,039
Eco Museum and we turn it over and all of

514
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,759
us you just were like, there it is. And so

515
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,759
this was prior to us even getting out of the

516
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:04,400
countr so we were already seeing things. And when you

517
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,160
go to Chongos, Chongos, is this really so this is

518
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,200
where that Scholl was from. It's this desert, it's sand,

519
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680
it's basically sand, and there's a river that comes by there.

520
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,680
People can look it up. It's just east of the

521
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,960
city of Peasco in Peru. So we're out walking around

522
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,559
and so you were, you were, you're You're just walking

523
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,519
around and you see there's like a what's known as

524
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,559
a pyramid there, like a stone pyramid of some kind.

525
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,759
And I know Tim and his team, which they went

526
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,759
later than us, they did some ground penetrated radar. He's

527
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,759
got a very nice GPR system, and they found these

528
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,039
underground caverns beneath the pyramid, and a whole bunch of

529
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:47,720
other things. But the other thing, and I encourage people

530
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,279
to do this. So La and I were walking around

531
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,279
out there and we're just walking around, and there's schools

532
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,279
everywhere because the Wakaros, the grave robbers are out there

533
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,759
digging things up and they don't care about anything else.

534
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,480
There's just bones. So sometimes you find a but it's

535
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,000
not elongated, so they don't want those, and so you're

536
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,160
just going along and so that was one of our goals,

537
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,759
was we wanted to excavate something fresh. Well, when you

538
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:13,640
walk out there, you see like just the sand is blown,

539
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,799
but you see these these rocks. You see little rocks everywhere,

540
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,400
and you're like, okay. But I was walking around just

541
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,920
and then I had I had ran up to the

542
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:28,440
top of a of a sand dune basically, which allowed

543
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,319
a little bit of perspective because at that time we

544
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,920
didn't this was back before we had a drone. And

545
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,599
I was like, this looks interesting to me. This looks

546
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,920
like like ninety degree angles. Well, that's a little bit

547
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,319
unusual for rocks to have perfect ninety degree angles. And

548
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,960
so I came back down and I said, la, these

549
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,440
these are ninety greele. He goes, no, no, no, you

550
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,559
know we we we dug these up once before, and

551
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,480
it was for me. I'm one of those guys that

552
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,359
I got to see it for myself, right one of

553
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,400
those So I said, I'm going to dig it up.

554
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,119
So I started digging down at one of these angles

555
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,680
and he said that's see, that's where I went. And

556
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,279
so he had removed the sand. Well, I started digging

557
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,240
down into the dirt. And when you start digging down

558
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,960
in the dirt, the wall continues to go down all

559
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,880
it goes down deep. Well, then I'm standing there and

560
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,680
I pulled up my coordinates on just Google Maps, and

561
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,039
if you put the satellite view and you zoom in,

562
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,880
you can see all of the walls. There's a city here.

563
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160
There's a city that is now buried under the sand.

564
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,039
And so I was like, Ella, look at this. And

565
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,319
we were just blown away. And again, anybody can do

566
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,640
this if they go find it, it's still there. And

567
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,359
so there's something here. There was a city here. There

568
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,599
is the temple, this temple looking structure, that's what we

569
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,440
call it. Tim Again, Tim found structures that were underneath

570
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,279
or tunnels that were underneath, and so so then of

571
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,480
course it's surrounded by all these burials. And then the

572
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,839
burials are very interesting because they would bury, they'd put

573
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,480
them in there, they would put them in a squatting position,

574
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,920
because these are very dominiontive people with the long souls

575
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,119
they would be and they would wrap them in these

576
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,960
very beautiful textiles and then they would cover up with

577
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,319
with the sand. And so many of them were dug

578
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,079
out a couple of them. They wrote me down in

579
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,599
I tried to go in and see where it went

580
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240
if there's any tunnels, and I wasn't really able to

581
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,720
get anywhere. But that was where we were wanting to

582
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,039
excavate because Tim also in his GPR. I mean, we

583
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,559
saw the city and the outline of it from Google

584
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Maps and basically light our well Tim saw it on

585
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,119
the GPR. So here we have the scientific evidence. But

586
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,960
you know what, when we when we are getting ahead

587
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,599
of myself. But at the end of the day, after

588
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
all of the research that we did, and and and

589
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:54,119
then Tim's Tim's team came down later they excavated or

590
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000
they took samples from I think one skull or two

591
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,319
and their results were similar, which we haven't gotten into full. Yeah,

592
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:05,079
but they won't let you excavating, and we're just shocked.

593
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,200
We don't understand, like, don't you have any interest in

594
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,960
exploring history? But see, this goes back to our theory.

595
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,160
Our theory is that they see our results, our results

596
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:25,359
show something that is non linear with what they their

597
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,319
their historical desire is, and our our research interrupts that

598
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,480
and they shut it down. Boom.

599
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of what happens. It's it's

600
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,079
a historical trend. Honestly, if you look even in America

601
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,359
started going through the mounds and finding all this stuff,

602
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:44,480
and all of a sudden they put up that what

603
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,599
was called nagpra m h pect, you know, the indigenous people,

604
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,039
even though the indigenous people saying, no, we didn't build

605
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:51,960
this stuff, we found it.

606
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 3: Yep, wasn't us hmm.

607
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Well, uh, what do you doing your side

608
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,200
studies and stuff. It's a spoiler alert for me, I

609
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,000
already know, but I want to tease it out for

610
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:09,559
the listeners. You had mentioned that the red hair that

611
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,440
was significant when you read through the Spanish explorers too,

612
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,519
they even talk about when they get there, they've seen

613
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:21,320
this race of people that was taller, they were paler skin,

614
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,519
they could grow full beards, and they had these elongated skulls.

615
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,639
And they were like, who are these people? And they

616
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,000
would always respond with, oh, that's the descendants of Arracoca.

617
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,079
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

618
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: So I guess walk us through some of the testing

619
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,119
and what you found. Are these indigenous people or are

620
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,119
these explorers that settled in a foreign land? What did

621
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,440
your tests.

622
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: Find that that's a that's a great leading so we have.

623
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,159
What we did is we had eighteen skulls altogether, including

624
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,199
the ones that the Ministry of Culture let us test,

625
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,519
which resulted in fifty eight different samples, and some of

626
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:08,559
them many of the There was I believe around three

627
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,519
three or four skulls that were not part of the

628
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,000
Peruvian cash if you wanted to say that. Like as

629
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,559
I mentioned, one was up in Oregon, but even though

630
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,400
it said right on, somebody had written on it La Horoya, Peru.

631
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,159
And so even that one was allegedly from Peru. So

632
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,880
when we approached it, we decided, okay, we need to

633
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,679
do this carefully because why well, there I mean to

634
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,280
do science, You're gonna get You're gonna get attacked, Okay,

635
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,719
and that's fine, that's part of the peer review method. Okay.

636
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,960
So we weren't we weren't unopposed to having our our

637
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
results scrutinized. So we said, we need to do this

638
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,239
above board. And so there's a lot of information out

639
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,559
there and training as it relates to Susan Hammill wrote

640
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:00,960
a book on ancient DNA and and the mythology, Methodologies

641
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,679
of how to to work at and extracted et cetera.

642
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,760
So we ended up following those protocols. We followed the

643
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,880
protocols of our lab in Ontario, Canada, and we said, hey,

644
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,280
we want to make sure when we get in here,

645
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
we're doing this all legit. So we we had plenty

646
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:23,000
of garments and everything else, nets and procedures that would

647
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,760
help prevent any sort of contamination, et cetera, et cetera.

648
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,199
So we did all that as much. It was actually

649
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,000
quite laborious because when they put us in the room

650
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:33,800
in Eca, it was a very it was a very

651
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:36,599
They knew what we were doing. So it was kind

652
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,960
of a sanitized room. I'm not saying it was air

653
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,159
sealed and all that, but it was a sanitized room

654
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:43,760
that they had in their in their basically in their

655
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
archaeological museum, in their lab. It was basically a lab

656
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,519
type museum. And so we come in and we're doing

657
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,079
this and we we would we would garb up and

658
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,800
then we would go in there and we would extract

659
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,840
some DNA, whether it was the bone or hair too.

660
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,280
We would immediately tag it into some all fresh stuff

661
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,360
and then we would go out and we would change

662
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,639
our clothes and put new stuff on, just so that

663
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,679
we there could be no accusations because they still came anyway.

664
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,840
So we go we do all this and we decided, okay,

665
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,280
we had two labs. We had actually three labs, but

666
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
we had two labs that I included in my report,

667
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,039
and then we had another lab who would do carbon fourteen.

668
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,599
So what we wanted we wanted from let's say this

669
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,480
our particular skull skull be We were like, okay, let's

670
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:38,840
take some hair from it if we can, Let's take

671
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960
some bone, or let's take a tooth. So we wanted

672
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,199
to have different types of from different places on the skull.

673
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,880
And then we would send those two different labs and

674
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,719
we wouldn't tell the labs what we were. We just said,

675
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,639
do the do a do it basically an ancient DNA

676
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,280
profile on this, and so we would not let them

677
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,440
know any information because that we wanted it to be

678
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,039
a double blind study. And what we were looking for

679
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,039
was which of that family, which is the ancestry it

680
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,840
came from. So ancient DNA degrades really really fast. I

681
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,760
mean in DNA by itself does okay, but one of

682
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,760
the reasons why it is lasts longer in Peru is

683
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,840
Peru even though it's right on the water. You gotta

684
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,000
think different. You know, I grew up in the north

685
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,159
I grew up in the Northwest, so I grew up

686
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,480
in Oregon. So you're by the ocean, and that means

687
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,400
it rains a lot. Okay for us, Okay, very very wet.

688
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,119
There's rainforest there, but that's because the jet stream is

689
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,679
coming from the west to the east. Well, in Peru

690
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,960
it's not like that. The Lima Corridor all the way

691
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,639
down to Paracas is one of the driest places in

692
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,719
the entire world. And so and you have a lot

693
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,440
of sand and sand dunes there. So it's when you

694
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,199
bury something. It's a great place for preservation. Okay, it's

695
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,119
not perfect like most again, dnage just by itself is

696
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,400
going to degrade. But it reminds me of some of

697
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,280
the places like in the Dead Sea Israel, or even

698
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,599
in Egypt, very very dry and deserty and sandy. Okay.

699
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,800
So what we did is we we were like, okay,

700
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,199
we want to test. We want the mitochondrial DNA. So

701
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,760
the mitochondrial DNA is from the mother's side, and just

702
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,800
just in nature, there's an abundance of that. It shows

703
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,000
the maternal line ancestry. Okay, Well, the nuclear DNA, the

704
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:31,280
father's line is there's less of it anyway, but it's

705
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,559
also doesn't because there's less of it, it also degrades

706
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,440
at a at a quicker rate. So most of the

707
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,360
time when you when you're looking at ancient DNA, you

708
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,400
will not always find the paternal side. And in this case,

709
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,320
in all of our samples, there was no nuclear DNA,

710
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:53,559
so we couldn't We couldn't now now source the father's ancestry,

711
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,679
but in the mothers we could. And so what what

712
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:59,440
the labs returned to us is they return to us

713
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,880
the these Haplo group letters, okay, from the mother's side.

714
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,159
And so most of indigenous people Native Americans here as

715
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,440
well as down through Central America and into into South

716
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,280
America comes from Haplo group B. And the B Happlo

717
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,760
group really originates primarily in I would say, China, not

718
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,760
I would say, but the sources tell us China or Mongolia.

719
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,480
And then so the idea is that these ancestors, you know,

720
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,280
thousands of years ago, made their way across the Bearing

721
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
straight when maybe it was frozen, and they made their

722
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:36,480
way down and then they begin to migrate around and

723
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,199
populate north all the Americas. So we were like, okay,

724
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,679
we're we Our goal was we're going to report whatever

725
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,199
we get, no matter what. And so sure enough of

726
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,000
the ECA of the schools that we got from ECA,

727
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,000
of the nine, four of them came back Happlow group

728
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,079
B indigenous. These were these were and we have I

729
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,199
have pictures, we have we have a we actually have

730
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,679
a boat out let's see. I get that anyways. But

731
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,599
in here is like our reports. It's all the pictures

732
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,280
and everything. But we document it because we're like, we

733
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,639
want to put it all out there in the record.

734
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,199
But there I have pictures. We have pictures of all

735
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
the skulls. We have them labeled. We can see the

736
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,239
front and the back. But you can see on these

737
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,800
that they were clearly artificially headboarded. There was no morphological

738
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239
anomalies that were but we said we're going to test

739
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,079
them anyway, and sure enough they came back Haplo gurvi.

740
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,599
These are indigenous. Now it brings up a whole other

741
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,599
idea of why would people do this to their children anyway? Wow,

742
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,800
that's a whole kind of a religious or cultural question.

743
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,559
But so what we found then is when we got

744
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,400
all the data back and in my report I laid

745
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,159
it out as this is the skull skull B. This

746
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
was a piece of bone. Lab one gave us this

747
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,679
Haplo group, and then the tooth from Lab two gave

748
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,079
us this Haplo group. And you know what they matched that.

749
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,400
There was no there was The labs did a very

750
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,079
good job of and there I don't believe there was

751
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,360
any anomalies or inconsistencies there. But what we found was

752
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,760
fourteen of the eighteen skulls that we tested which were

753
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,960
very uniquely genetically different. Again, as we talked about, they're

754
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,280
from they're not indigenous to South America. They come from

755
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,239
the Middle East either a place like Israel. One of

756
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,280
them had it was from the ex Haplo group, which

757
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,000
is interesting because the ex Happlo group is a very

758
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,039
dominating characteristic of what is known as the Druze people

759
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,559
that live in live in Israel, especially in northeastern Israel,

760
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,639
which is again pretty fascinating. Not just them, but they

761
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,400
have a high concentration of the X. But it also

762
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,360
most of it came from either Eastern Europe, the Middle East,

763
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,239
or the Black Sea area, the Caucus region, and so

764
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,519
This was phenomenal because when we did the carbon fourteen dating,

765
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,199
especially on the baby of the Baby school and another one,

766
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,679
it came back to like eighty, like the first century

767
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,599
a D. So you're like, well, wait a minute, how

768
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:24,920
did these basically Caucasian people with elongated skulls make their

769
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,719
way to Peru around the first century or let's say

770
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,159
the first of five hundred and we do know that

771
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,440
the Parakus culture flourished during that time basically five hundred

772
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,719
BC to five hundred and eighty down in Peru, and

773
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,480
so this is not supposed, this doesn't fit the typical

774
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,079
coming across the land bridge of the Bringian you know theory.

775
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,079
And so we felt this was very, very powerful. It

776
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,760
was interesting. It coincided with what other archaeologists have seen

777
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,360
about the timing of the culture down there also the

778
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,719
amazing again textiles that they participated in. So we just

779
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,280
went line by line all of them, and again fourteen

780
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,559
of the eighteen came up to be unusual. And so

781
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,079
again this is the interesting thing is these are this

782
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,440
particular group down in Perracas is different than what you

783
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,719
mentioned earlier in the Conquista stores. And I know Tim

784
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,679
has done a lot of work on this. In some

785
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,760
of his documentaries, the Kaqi stars talked about red haired

786
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:37,079
giants like bigger people. Well, these were small people. So

787
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,519
somehow there's a difference even though the red yeah, there's

788
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,559
a different line somewhere, but they both shared again the

789
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:49,039
red hair, which again is not indigenous to that particular.

790
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,159
You don't go to China and see a redhead, right

791
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,880
or you know, got a mongoli and see a redhead.

792
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,599
Even Native Americans you don't see that, but these typically did.

793
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,400
And that's what was amazing about the baby is because

794
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
the baby was mummified, it was wrapped, and to see

795
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,960
that opened and there it was that this auburn type,

796
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,519
you know, black auburn harry are like, what in the world.

797
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,239
So this is where the science comes back. And just

798
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,519
to summarize the science, so we have now we have

799
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:20,559
DNA that's showing where they come from. It's not indigenous.

800
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,360
We have the morphological things in the skull again, the

801
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,719
fram and magnet and the icket, et cetera. Uh, you

802
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,719
can clearly see that that this is not even looking

803
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,400
at some of the vertebrae. It was very intriguing. We

804
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920
were trying to get an MRI and we're still working

805
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,679
on there's still opportunities for us. We still have some

806
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,079
irons in the fire, if you want to say it

807
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,559
that way of trying to get MRIs or X rays

808
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,840
of some of these things. And but what's interesting is

809
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,440
that on that skull, like what what l what Tim did?

810
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,960
So you can see there if people just you put

811
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,960
your eyes up on that, I mean and you get

812
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,639
a normal one.

813
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: It's those little dots what do they call those little

814
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,760
dots like they got they got two here and two

815
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,039
on the opposite side, two on the lower jaws and

816
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,840
all that stuff. But they found, you guys, found an

817
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,239
extra set on the top.

818
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,519
Speaker 3: Yes, just not on all of them, yes, just on

819
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,800
all of them. And there was what was interesting too,

820
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,280
was on one of the skulls they were trying to

821
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,360
ascertain like on a normal human you have places underneath

822
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,800
here where the basically nerves come through in order to

823
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:33,039
for feeling in your face. And we could not find

824
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,000
any of those on there. And and so we kind

825
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,320
of went back and forth. The team was kind of

826
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,239
going back and forth like, well, what does this mean?

827
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,119
Maybe got filled in uh, maybe you know, maybe there's

828
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,880
been some calssification this is pretty old, so we weren't

829
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,800
really definitive on that. But the so there were still

830
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,159
some anomalies that again, what would solve it, Well, if

831
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,440
we got a fresh one that we could but we

832
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:56,239
could see and so our desire is still to do

833
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,280
more research, but the proving government has shut it down.

834
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,159
But when Tim went and things have changed, right, So

835
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,000
we were there. We did most of our testing basically

836
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:16,079
in Ji seventeen and eighteen, so not eight nine years ago. Now. Well,

837
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,920
technology is advancing very quickly. So Tim was there a

838
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,719
few years ago and when he did his and they

839
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,519
did there, he got nuclear DNA. And when the nuclear

840
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:33,199
DNA came back, what he found was that it was unknown.

841
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,880
The father's side was not connected to anything in the

842
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,800
gen Bank, the International Genetic Database, And that's what our

843
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,679
thought was. We thought that probably would be the case.

844
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,400
But now to see there's been evidence that that is

845
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,800
the case. And now, granted it's one sample, you would

846
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,320
like to see more. Of course, that's the nature of science.

847
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,880
But I find that completely fascinating.

848
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it kind of backs the biblical narrative of Genesis,

849
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,840
the fallen angels bread with the dollars of being.

850
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's one of the things that we that

851
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,000
we are looking at is what Genesis six tells us,

852
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,639
and it reveals to us that that angels interfered, that

853
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,239
fallen angels came down and interfered with human women and

854
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,039
they produced these offspring. But the other thing that we

855
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,519
that we wonder about, again, we have we have data.

856
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,719
We the interpretation of the data is it can go

857
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,559
a lot of different ways. Is what we see in

858
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:47,199
at least the paracus is there's there's somebody inter intervened

859
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,880
or something intruded into the normal genetic line.

860
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: Now abnormality inserted itself.

861
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,519
Speaker 3: Yes, something that doesn't belong there under normal circumstances was

862
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,800
inserted in this line. Now was that done through normal

863
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,760
like Genesis six? Sexual reproduction? Did a fallen angel come

864
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,599
down and and mate with a with a smaller human

865
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,880
woman and then it produced this group? We don't really know.

866
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,880
But what we do know is if you go back

867
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,360
to the Black Sea area, the Caucus region, elongated schools

868
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,400
are well known to be there. So that goes back

869
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,480
again a couple thousand years. So somehow you have this

870
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,280
transmigration of a certain group. It seemed to be that

871
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,760
it started there did it continue to happen over there?

872
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,519
All we know is that the genetic the genome was

873
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,239
modified somehow. So that really is the key of what

874
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,599
we're watching and what we've demonstrated on this. The science

875
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,880
is very, very strong in that regard. Now, again I

876
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,480
don't have none of us have angelic DNA, okay, so

877
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,280
we can't make an association. All we know is that

878
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,599
there's some unknown portion that caused this elongation, which again

879
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,719
goes back to what we briefly mentioned, is that you

880
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,639
have what's typical is you have a class of people.

881
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,360
And this was kind of the way it was even

882
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,760
in the Inca, that the Inca were the elites, and

883
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,320
then you had everybody else that were trying to mimic them.

884
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:24,800
And so you had these parocous elite with the normal natural,

885
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,440
genetically modified elongated skulls. But then you had others that

886
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:33,079
were trying to mimic that class, and therefore they would

887
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,119
do this to their children. You think about that, I mean,

888
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:36,840
that's a huge thing to do to your child for

889
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,840
a few years simply just to mimic what the if

890
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,480
you want to call them the royal class. That's one

891
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,760
theory that that was the royal class or the elites,

892
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,199
and so it helps us to understand why this was

893
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,320
happening and why it was continuing to go on, and

894
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,199
why there's there's finks or why there is artificial ones.

895
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing too. You might not be read

896
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,000
on this or stif on this, but this is something

897
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,159
that I've been looking into and it kind of correlates.

898
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:09,559
I've been reading up on Nicholas de Vere the Dragon

899
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,239
Court and that kind of stuff, and they claim that

900
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,800
they have the divine right to rule, that they stem

901
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,880
all the way back to the Ananochy, and he says

902
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,239
in these books, we were bred as a sub human

903
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,679
race to be smarter and rule over the sheep all.

904
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,480
And they come from the Scythian areas area and all

905
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:38,599
these elongated goals to increased brain case volume, smarter, you know,

906
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,639
if you've got a bigger brain, you'd assume anyway, assume

907
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,480
and they were red haired and green eyed race.

908
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting about some of the thoughts on that too.

909
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,920
Is one of the things that that Tim did is

910
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,880
he had gone down and he had gone down into

911
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,480
you know, some of the more the natural reserves that

912
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:07,239
they have down in Peru, and they found that they

913
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,320
found the places, the dwelling places of where the parracus lived,

914
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,760
and they lived underground. So that's what's interesting now. It

915
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,039
makes sense, I guess, to live underground to be when

916
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,920
you're in the middle of the desert like that, that

917
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:26,079
there is no trees there. But they would take they

918
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:28,920
would capture whales and they would use the skeletons of

919
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,880
the whales to create these underground cavitt places. Well either

920
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,760
there there was there was even caves. But what they

921
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,880
found was that there didn't seem to be any evidence

922
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:48,239
of like torches, like light. And then we were theorizing

923
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,559
could it be that these big eyed I mean, these

924
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,079
small creatures with these long heads. You think about this,

925
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,360
I'll show you a picture these they walk it out

926
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,000
and their eyes are bigger, and their heads are longer,

927
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,880
and they're small, and they're coming out of out of

928
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,159
the ground. You'd be like, what in the world? Who?

929
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,760
What kind of You wouldn't think human necessarily, you might

930
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,639
think humanoid. Let me see if I can pull up

931
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,760
a picture here, and some of these are kind of

932
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,119
like uh, I would say, uh, there you go. Here,

933
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,800
here's one. Let's see if I can get this on

934
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,039
this on the screen. There you go. So this this

935
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,599
is this is kind of an idea of what it

936
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,280
would look like. And then let me see if I

937
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,920
can go here, there we go. Uh that, that, to

938
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,159
me is is pretty interesting from the side view. And

939
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,320
you picture someone like that walking out of the ground

940
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:51,599
and and then looking at you, you you would you

941
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,519
would kind of freak out. Let me, she's got a

942
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,920
couple other, uh, a couple other good renditions of what

943
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,920
they might look like. I mean that that's not you

944
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,159
can't fully CRANI will deform that. I'll give you one

945
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,599
more here, which I think is kind of interesting. Let

946
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:13,960
see this way. So this is where she kind of

947
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,079
interprets with maybe some Native American type paint or something

948
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:21,440
like that, and then she has several of the other

949
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,440
there we go. So to me, she's got several renditions

950
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,400
of it of what they might look like. I can

951
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,360
guarantee you anybody walking along and seeing somebody walk out

952
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:40,079
like that, you would not think, oh hey, bro, what's up?

953
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:43,079
I mean, you know, fellow human being, you would wonder

954
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,920
how are they different than us? And this is this

955
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,159
is what caused us to wonder about like a Homeo

956
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,559
instead of Homo sapien sapien, which we are is like

957
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:56,119
Homo sapien Parracas, because these are a very unique group

958
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,880
that appear, that are very sophisticated, and especially in their textiles.

959
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,480
You go there, it's phenomenal. And then they just disappear

960
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:12,280
from history, just disappear. And there's some There was one guy,

961
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,960
he was a professor named Lars. I referenced him in

962
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,599
the book in the bibliography. He was doing some stuff

963
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,119
and he was analyzing skeletons basically twenty ten, twenty fourteen,

964
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,719
and he wrote several papers. I had reached out to him,

965
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,000
but I never heard back from Hi, because all I

966
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:35,320
wanted to know was what he was analyzing was skeletons

967
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,800
from Paracas the DNA. I believe he worked at the

968
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,880
UCLA lab and or worked there close there, and he

969
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,679
was looking at the Nosca, like we know about the

970
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,920
Nosca lines right all over the place down and proved.

971
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:53,480
And so the theory was that the Parrakas morphed and

972
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,719
migrated out and became the Nosca, and so he was

973
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,440
looking at genic markers to see if that was the case.

974
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,320
And now, so when you look at it, you think, oh,

975
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,559
that's good research. But what I wanted to know and

976
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,719
I eat this is my email them on was Okay,

977
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,039
there's definitely a paracous indigenous there's a Procus people there

978
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,480
that again these are the ones that were artificially deforming

979
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:23,079
their children's head, okay, and there's the Nosca people okay.

980
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,679
And there's clearly a geographical association. My question was, were

981
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,559
the we're the the DNA that you were getting from

982
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:38,559
the Paracas. Were those schools elongated because obviously there was

983
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:41,119
people that live there that didn't have elongated schools. So

984
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,599
was he connecting was he comparing that indigenous group into

985
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,960
becoming the Nosca group? And where does the elongation of

986
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,800
the schools come in to play in which group? So,

987
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,480
as far as I know, it's interesting that some of

988
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:59,239
the science it's like they've just put the blinders on.

989
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,440
They have tunnel this and they've lost interest in finding

990
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,360
out what these creatures were.

991
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, and uh, how do I approach this with

992
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,000
the LA's theory that I read in his book and

993
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,599
on his DVDs, he kind of throws out the idea.

994
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:28,000
You know, of course, it's just a theory. That's all

995
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,280
we could do is, you know, make some educated guesses

996
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,320
here with him trying to remain biblically referenced. He mentions

997
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,800
the cleansing of the Holy Land with Joshua and Caleb.

998
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:44,400
And maybe during this stuff people were heading north, you know,

999
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:48,119
into city Black Caucus area mountains. The Phoenicians and the

1000
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:51,800
people that knew how to sell just kind of took

1001
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,000
off toward the New World, and maybe this is how

1002
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,119
this happens. I just want to know what's what was

1003
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:56,840
your thoughts on that?

1004
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,559
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, when you look it was interesting because as

1005
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,559
we were researching this, you know, of course we have

1006
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:07,599
Joshua chapter eleven, and in Joshua eleven, we know that

1007
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,559
Joshua during the conquest came in to the land, and

1008
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:13,199
Joshua eleven, verse twenty one through twenty three says clearly

1009
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:18,440
that the Anachem. The Anachem are connected with the Nephelem

1010
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,079
in numbers thirteen. So the anacheme it says that they fled,

1011
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:29,320
they fled from Joshua's you know, basically domination. God was

1012
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,159
with Joshua, and it said they fled west, and we

1013
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:40,840
know it lists the cities it lists at kron Ashdod Ashkalon, Gath,

1014
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,360
and Gaza five the five Pentapolis cities of the Philistines.

1015
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,400
So you're talking, you know, this is fourteen hundred BC.

1016
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,679
So they flee west. That's the biblical record, and we

1017
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,800
know later that this guy shows up and for Samuel

1018
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,719
seventeen named Goliath, and that's where I did my archaeological

1019
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,199
work was in Gath. And it's interesting there at Gath

1020
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,920
is one of the places that's mentioned in Joshua eleven.

1021
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,400
It's just huge, tell I mean, it's it's really is huge,

1022
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,719
and it's it goes back to at least the Late

1023
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,840
Bronze Age or even into the later into the middle

1024
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:26,199
you're talking late Bronze ages fifteen hundred BC and and

1025
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,760
and who knows how far back as they're continue to excavate.

1026
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:35,519
So these these Anakin flee there fourteen hundred BC. Well,

1027
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:39,559
later Golias shows up. He's from Gath, and this is

1028
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,159
around one thousand and thirty twenty, right around there BC.

1029
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,840
So several centuries later they're still there, and so they're

1030
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,880
hanging out and then what was interesting about and then

1031
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,719
you have the record, you know, you kind of have

1032
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,280
a little bit in first and second Samuel and chronicles. David,

1033
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,719
you know, and his mighty Man go after the brothers

1034
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,239
and the other one at Tebron. So you have the

1035
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,559
you have the giants there, but then they kind of

1036
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,719
disappear from history after that. But what's interesting about it

1037
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,119
is you do see this this exodus West, as you

1038
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:16,639
mentioned different parts and some of the stuff that Tim

1039
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:22,280
has done in Sardinia, Malta. It's phenomenal. Now you have

1040
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:29,880
these giant clans out in the basically out in the Mediterranean. Well,

1041
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,079
there's a Greek historian, a Christian Greek historian named Procopius.

1042
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,679
So he's writing in about five hundred a d. And

1043
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,159
he's discussing. He writes about this. I came across this

1044
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:43,519
and I thought, la, you got to see this. This

1045
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:48,039
is pretty amazing. So he writes about a pillar. So

1046
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,960
five hundred and eighty there's a pillar that's on the west,

1047
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,880
the northwest coast of Africa over by basically Atlantic and

1048
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:59,960
the pillar is this pillar in Phoenician language, which Phoenician Lange,

1049
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:03,000
which is basically Paleo Hebrew. Most of the languages, they

1050
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,320
would say, those at least those Northwest Semitic languages ultimately

1051
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,400
come back to Phoenician, especially the script. Okay, it says

1052
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,679
in Phoenician on this white, big pillar that Procopius writes,

1053
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:23,400
we are those who fled from Joshua, the son of None,

1054
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:29,079
the robber. Now that is phenomenal because it's not just

1055
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:31,760
some random Joshua name. It's Joshua, the son of Nune.

1056
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,880
So of noon, if you want to say, so, that

1057
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,960
puts it. This is a biblical character. Now that's being

1058
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:42,239
referenced by Procopius on this pillar on the northwest coast

1059
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:47,719
of Africa, by those who fled from him. So this

1060
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,159
is where the trail, at least from a archaeological or

1061
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,760
or at least a epigraphical perspective, kind of goes cold

1062
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,960
because that pillar is no longer around. Who knows where

1063
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,920
it is, But it's documented at a point in time

1064
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,639
in five hundred and eight D. And now, granted that

1065
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,159
if he saw the pillar he writes of the pillar,

1066
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,039
that pillar would have been there a thousand years or

1067
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:15,480
maybe eight hundred years earlier, nine hundred years earlier than

1068
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,440
what Procopius saw. But when you see all of the

1069
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:28,719
megalithic structures and the building that had gone on all

1070
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,639
through Sardinia and other places in basically the Mediterranean and

1071
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,440
even up into again Malta into Spain. La has done

1072
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,840
some work there as well, looking at again these this

1073
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,559
megal megalithic what's known as Cyclopean structures, the fact that

1074
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,559
they were able to build all these things and they

1075
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:50,400
build a pillar, which that wouldn't be any surprise. So

1076
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:54,599
then the theory is, then if we see him migrating

1077
01:02:55,199 --> 01:03:01,199
from basically central Israel out through up to probably Lebanon

1078
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,679
modern Lebanon, or what we see is Lebanon today, Phoenicia,

1079
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,079
down into the Philissine area, off to the Mediterranean, to

1080
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,679
Sardinia and other islands, off over to Spain, off over

1081
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:18,039
to northwestern northwest Africa, it's not unreasonable to think that

1082
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:22,760
then they continued their their progression all the way into

1083
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,159
the Americas, which is again it brings up the mounds

1084
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:31,239
and other things that as we said earlier, of large men,

1085
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,280
redheaded men, being giants, being buried in the mounds very

1086
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,639
very deep, and brings up a whole other situation of

1087
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,400
what was going on in the late eighteen hundreds.

1088
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one thing too, I thought was really

1089
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,920
fascinating was they talked about maybe the sea levels being

1090
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:49,639
quite a bit higher back then, and maybe there was

1091
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:53,360
a channel that went, you know, from New England area

1092
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,480
into the Great Lakes. And then the copper mine that

1093
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,599
they found, was it Royal Eye Island.

1094
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: Or Island Royale, Yeah, Michigan off Lake Superior.

1095
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1096
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:07,199
Speaker 2: And they even found the Phoenician ship carved into a

1097
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,199
big stone there. And it just kind of makes sense

1098
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,599
because then there's the Ohio River Valley.

1099
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,159
Speaker 3: Just go stress makes too much sense, it makes a

1100
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:20,599
lot of sense, and again it doesn't fit. It doesn't

1101
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,840
fit the narrative, the modern narrative. And this is where

1102
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,159
you know, I'm working on a book and I've just

1103
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,400
I need to get done because so far I've uncovered

1104
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:33,440
some evidence and in the Smithsonian records, because what you

1105
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:37,119
have there, and basically the thesism of the book is

1106
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,880
the giants of the Smithsonian in their own words, because

1107
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,320
today when you go there like nothing to see year

1108
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,039
never happened. Well, if you go back to some of

1109
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,880
the early writings, you know the in the Smithsonian really

1110
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,679
began around eighteen fifty and what they would do is

1111
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,360
they would provide a field report. Basically it's called the

1112
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,320
Annual Report of this up for the Board, the Board

1113
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,719
of the Smithsonian Annual Report, and then that goes from

1114
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,840
roughly eighteen fifty all the way through. But then around

1115
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,440
eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty, there had been so much

1116
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:16,079
research being done that they decided to create the Bureau

1117
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:21,320
of Ethnology, and the Bureau of Ethnology then begin to

1118
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,760
focus specifically on the ethnic groups and the ethnic history

1119
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,360
of North America. And so within that now you have

1120
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:35,519
this major documentation of not only the Smithsonian. This Smithsonian

1121
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:38,000
ended up. I think they dug around two thousand mounds,

1122
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,960
So there's hundreds of thousands of mounds, you know, basically

1123
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:44,960
east of the Mississippi. Some even say claim it's up

1124
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,519
to a million. Many of them are either eroded down

1125
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:50,000
or maybe they have trees on them now so you

1126
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:52,280
don't see them. It just looks like a hill with trees.

1127
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Light oars very good at finding mounts. But at what

1128
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,039
they begin to do is they begin to document. And

1129
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:01,679
so what I what I did is I went and

1130
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,639
found and I docum. I downloaded all of these PDFs.

1131
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,760
Some of them are are are their decent quality, some

1132
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,719
of them the ocr The optical character recognition is a

1133
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,280
little bit iffy, but I've just been I've just been

1134
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,400
going through them and looking for seven foot just the

1135
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,199
phrase seven footer, eight footer, you know, giant, gigantic, this,

1136
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,360
gigantic acts whatever. And it's interesting the stuff that you

1137
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,719
find in the reports. And so one of my favorites

1138
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:39,199
is it talks about a skull that was found that

1139
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,800
was dug up. Again, this is in the Smithsonian report.

1140
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,840
I'm not making it up, Okay, So they talk about

1141
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,079
a skull that was thirty six inches in diameter being uncovered. Well,

1142
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,039
the normal human is twenty two to twenty three, so

1143
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:59,360
you're talking, you know, that's what thirty five percent bigger,

1144
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:04,039
fifty percent bigger in that in that sense of a

1145
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,880
skull that imagine holding that in your hand. So clearly

1146
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,599
there's evidence of eight footers in seven footers all all through,

1147
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,920
not say all, but abundant in many ways in these reports.

1148
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,960
And so the idea that the Smithsonian says there's nothing

1149
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,639
to see or nothing happened is just false. Uh, you

1150
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,760
have a shift that took place. Squire Davis were one

1151
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,880
of the first worst, one of the best people. They

1152
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,679
wrote a book, very well done book on the Mississippian culture.

1153
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,199
It was the first real monograph that was approved and

1154
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,559
accepted by the Smithsonian. They would do that. Each year,

1155
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,199
they would they would publish something. Well, this got published

1156
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,960
again in the eighteen fifties, and you can read about it.

1157
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,960
And they describe in their view at the time, they

1158
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:59,840
describe a pre They use the term prehistory, a prehistorical

1159
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:05,280
race of people, and they call him the mound builders,

1160
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,880
separate from the Native Americans. Well, that is not accepted today,

1161
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,280
Oh my gosh. They When John Wesley Powell came in

1162
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:18,159
roughly around eighteen eighty, he was an art and evolutionist.

1163
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:22,960
He was connected with Charles Darwin, Charles Lyle, they're all buddies.

1164
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,680
This is when you see the shift happening in the

1165
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,439
in the ages between when when again, Origin of Species

1166
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,159
was published in eighteen fifty nine, as well as some

1167
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,680
of the again Lyle as a geologists, et cetera. So

1168
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,520
you're beginning to see the shift of a challenge of

1169
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,680
the status quo that you could have. I mean, again,

1170
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,800
we're we're evolving, we are the best, okay. And so

1171
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,880
when John Wesley Powell came in, he put a very

1172
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:49,640
strong and cyrus I forgot what Cyrus was another one

1173
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,439
of his basically right hand man, and he began to

1174
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:58,039
write and he at first he was very open to

1175
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:02,119
the idea of a distinction that the mound builders were

1176
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:05,880
not Native Americans. But when your boss is telling you

1177
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,640
certain things and some people say, well, maybe it was

1178
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,399
the evidence, Maybe maybe it was, but I don't think so.

1179
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,239
I think there was a clear line at that moment

1180
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,239
where there was no more acceptance of this idea that

1181
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:23,720
there was that these mound builders were somehow sophisticated and

1182
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,359
superior with their geometry and there are other things with

1183
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,880
even archaeo astronomy was not going to be accepted. And

1184
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,560
that's when you see that, and then you go into

1185
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:39,640
really about nineteen hundred. The guy Herolica, he's got a

1186
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,159
very interesting name for the Smithsonian. He was even more

1187
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:48,800
adamant that they began to squash any reports of any

1188
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,279
sort of large giants or other things being discovered. This

1189
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,319
is why it's fascinating, and this is the nature of

1190
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:02,399
this is academic snobbery. Okay, at its finest, everybody knows

1191
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:08,239
that from eighteen seventy to nineteen thirty, or maybe even

1192
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:12,359
nineteen forty or nineteen fifty. There are hundreds, if not

1193
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:20,119
thousands of articles that are written in newspapers, New York Times,

1194
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,439
all across America. Because Joe blows out there digging in

1195
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,520
his backyard. He's digging a mound open, he's looking for treasure,

1196
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,439
and then when he digs it open, he finds an

1197
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,439
eight foot skeleton or a nine foot skeleton. And so

1198
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,720
you have and you have again thousands of these being

1199
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,720
reported in these periodicals. Well, if I in school, when

1200
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,039
I was doing my grad work, if I quoted the

1201
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:54,640
Washington Post or the New York Times or the Los

1202
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,840
Angeles Times, I probably would not get a good grade

1203
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,520
on that because that's not peer reviewed. It's an article.

1204
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,960
You might have some editorial review for a newspaper, but

1205
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:08,079
it wasn't peer reviewed by those that are experts in

1206
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:11,079
the field necessarily unless it was a guest article. So

1207
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:18,239
they immediately rule out all of those documents, all those

1208
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:25,079
reports in any sort of unscientific newspaper is completely ignored.

1209
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,159
And to me, that's the academic snobbery. When you when

1210
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:32,560
you show that, they go they immediately just attack it.

1211
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,199
You can't believe that, well did people, and so some

1212
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:38,760
of them will claim, well, they didn't really know how

1213
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,279
to measure. You're telling me people didn't know how to

1214
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:44,760
measure the size. I mean, Squire and Davis were phenomenal.

1215
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,000
I mean people knew how to measure the length of

1216
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:48,760
a skeleton that was in the ground or that they

1217
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,880
dug up. Is every one of them true? I'm not

1218
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,119
saying that either. Okay, we got to be we gotta

1219
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:57,000
be wise, but to dismiss them all out of the way.

1220
01:11:57,039 --> 01:11:59,920
That's why my goal is to be has been scouring

1221
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:05,800
in the documents, the Bureau of Ethnology reports as well

1222
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,520
as the annual field reports of the Smithsonian themselves, because

1223
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,359
I can't include something outside of that from again any

1224
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:14,279
other periodical.

1225
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:16,199
Speaker 1: Yep.

1226
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:19,079
Speaker 2: And that's the problem with mankind. We want to be

1227
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:22,680
right instead of searching for the truth. And it's you

1228
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,000
had that all with the what they call it Clovis

1229
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:28,840
First Movement. They were you know, people were digging up

1230
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,359
stuff and finding stuff older, and there's even reports of

1231
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:33,800
people saying, you know, don't go no deeper. You know,

1232
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,000
we don't want to find that stuff because this is

1233
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:38,399
what we're settled in on here. And all these people

1234
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,720
they spend their life writing books and doing lectures and

1235
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,359
they're known to be the expert of this certain thing.

1236
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,399
They don't want to give up that throne, even if

1237
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,640
they know the truth is contradictory to what they've been teaching,

1238
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,199
because then they will lose their throne, they will lose

1239
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,199
their credibility and their pomp, and so a lot of

1240
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:57,199
that stuff comes into play.

1241
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: It's so easy today too, that you know, there's there's

1242
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,279
books out there, you know, myth of the mound builders,

1243
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,720
and you know which again, it's easy to go find

1244
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:13,680
a scientific, you know, archaeologist today, you know that's tenured

1245
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,680
in American you know meso American archaeology that will toe

1246
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,960
that line. I mean, that line started to get you know,

1247
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,520
it started to get followed and obeyed is a better

1248
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,880
word from the Smithsonian from John Wesley Powell on you

1249
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,640
see again, Smithsonian is a very powerful institution. It has

1250
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,960
been in that academic world for a long time. And

1251
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:36,319
when you start, it's like the nature of today. You know,

1252
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:39,880
if you come out if you're a tenured professor or

1253
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,560
you're just a you know, somebody in a position and

1254
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,399
you're getting grants and you come out and you speak

1255
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:50,039
something that is against generally the status quo. Then you

1256
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,560
might lose your funding, you might lose your position, you

1257
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,399
might lose your status, you might lose your reputation. It's

1258
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,880
interesting how the academic world today they've put up all

1259
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:03,000
the safeguards, which not that there's not good scientific work

1260
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:06,279
being done, of course there is, but there's but it

1261
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:10,520
also is stifled. It stifles the outside viewpoint that doesn't

1262
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,199
fall in mind. And that really is what you saw

1263
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:17,359
happen from about nineteen hundred on with the Smithsonian, and

1264
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,600
it's an influence. The other interesting thing that you brought

1265
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,840
up earlier, which I've seen this firsthand, because you know

1266
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,119
I've been I've been still doing research at certain places

1267
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:33,680
at mounds in Ohio and other places across America where

1268
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,560
we have been excavating mounds looking for Ultimately, what are

1269
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,439
we looking for? I can tell you I'm not looking

1270
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,239
for treasure. You know what a treasure is to me?

1271
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:46,479
Treasure is not gold. A treasure is an eight foot giant.

1272
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,479
That's what a treasure is to me. To remove it, no,

1273
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,680
I want to leave it. I want to document it.

1274
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,520
That's what I want to do and not take it up.

1275
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,039
But what's interesting in this endeavor you brought up. NAGPRA

1276
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:07,399
is this new law that requires the repatriation of what

1277
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:16,000
has now been labeled as Native American basically burials or culture. Well,

1278
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:18,760
what's happened in this is, as you mentioned as well,

1279
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,279
some of the if you can get some of the

1280
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:23,920
Native Americans to go on record years ago, they would say,

1281
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,279
we didn't we didn't build these We don't have no

1282
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,319
record of building these mountains. It was somebody before us. Well,

1283
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,479
what that law requires. If I'm on my private property,

1284
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,159
I can do whatever i want. I can excavate, I

1285
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:36,359
can uncover, I can do whatever I want. But the

1286
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,239
NAGPRA law, and it gets people scared. Anybody that's in

1287
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:44,439
any land that is associated with the government or associated

1288
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,239
with any sort of university that gives getting government funding,

1289
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:54,840
they will not excavate anymore because or any any human

1290
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,079
remains or any other things like that, because that's part

1291
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,239
of the law. Now, So then what weapons is if

1292
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:03,439
you're a Native American, there's when you look at the

1293
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,680
history of what the United States has done to the

1294
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,680
Native American people, it's obviously is it's not it's not good, right,

1295
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,479
It's very lots of betrayals, lots of backstabbing, lots of

1296
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,640
breaking of the covenants and agreements and treaties. Okay, so

1297
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,000
we all know that that's just a history of America. Okay,

1298
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:27,159
so today, what what happened, what I've seen is a

1299
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,479
lot of the northern North. Like, for example, we went

1300
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,439
to this place in Arkansas. We went to a museum

1301
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:37,640
and in the museum, it was a it was a

1302
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:41,279
it was a museum that was that was housing artifacts

1303
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,680
of the University of Arkansas. So we got permission from

1304
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,600
one of the professors there are the archaeologists, and she

1305
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,279
went through and she was showing us several of the artifacts.

1306
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:51,520
It was like, oh, this is pretty cool. We could

1307
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,880
see sure enough they hadn't they had an elongated goal

1308
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:59,399
and it wasn't as dramatic as like this guy right there,

1309
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,760
but it was still elongated. And this was a skull

1310
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,520
that was found basically in Oklahoma. And so we said, well, hey,

1311
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,680
can we do a can we do small extraction and

1312
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,239
do some DNA testing on this? We would love to

1313
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:18,560
see and check this out. Well, the archaeologists, well, hey,

1314
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,039
that's not my decision to make. You have to go

1315
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:26,079
to all of the Native American tribes and you got

1316
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,680
to get permission from them. Well, the Native American tribes,

1317
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,760
now it's in their best interest to even if if

1318
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,680
their history shows that they had nothing to do with

1319
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,479
the mounds, now you have the American government protecting certain

1320
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,359
parts of their land from any sort of intrusion. So

1321
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:49,119
even if they weren't the ones that built the mound,

1322
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:51,239
but that mound is on their land, they're going to

1323
01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:53,079
say no. And that's what they did. They say no.

1324
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,720
They say, oh, according to Nagra that these are our ancestors.

1325
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,600
It's like, yeah, but your history says that they're not

1326
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,600
your ancestors. It doesn't matter. So this extra protection that

1327
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,720
has now it's I don't know if it's in their favor.

1328
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,479
It seems like it's in their favor. It's not in

1329
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,239
the favor of I would say historical or scientific research.

1330
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:14,760
So now what we're seeing is even if the Native

1331
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,119
American history doesn't believe it, they're still allowing that law

1332
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,479
to help them in their endeavors.

1333
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, So I might do a comment in here,

1334
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:25,680
and I wanted to throw it up and have you

1335
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:26,640
check it out.

1336
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:27,079
Speaker 3: What it says.

1337
01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:31,279
Speaker 2: When Hernon DeSoto traveled through the South parts of America, Alabama, Georgia,

1338
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:37,199
Arkansas and such that he encountered a king to Tuscaluska

1339
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,439
and had an elongated school himself.

1340
01:18:41,119 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely there. Again, this goes back to other there's other

1341
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,399
reports that I've wrote about recently similar to that, where

1342
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:53,880
you come along and there's especially in Florida, you have

1343
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:57,319
the conquistadors in normal size, you know, five six to

1344
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,760
five ten, and they come along and they meet these

1345
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:05,239
the at least these guys were friendly, friendly people living

1346
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:07,920
there who were seven feet plus and and and the

1347
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:11,960
and it shows that this particular drawing, it was drawing

1348
01:19:12,039 --> 01:19:16,479
from the basically seventeenth sixteenth century, and it shows but

1349
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,560
the king had a headdress on, but you could see

1350
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,439
that his if you, if you, if you extrapolated out,

1351
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,680
you'd said, that looks like he's got an elongated skull

1352
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,439
under there. But with the headdress it was really hard

1353
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,600
to show it. But there is no doubt that you

1354
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,840
find some examples in some of again some of the

1355
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,960
early explorers of that exact thing.

1356
01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: Now, look now I'm not muted. Well, Mondo, I don't

1357
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,039
want to take any more of your time. I know

1358
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:49,640
you're a really busy man, but I'm so thankful that

1359
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,800
you took the time out to talk with me, and

1360
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,000
I meant what I said. I hope this is the

1361
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:57,520
first of many conversations that we can have because we

1362
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:01,520
share similar fast and I'd love to just bounce some

1363
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,920
ideas off of you sometimes and just just wrap it up.

1364
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,520
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, I mean this, and you know we're

1365
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,640
we're not done yet. We uh we continually tell people

1366
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,600
that if if you have a mount and and uh

1367
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,199
it's on it's on your property and it's never been excavated,

1368
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,880
let us know, because we will come do some ground

1369
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,800
penetrating radar and some other scientific endeavors on it in

1370
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,319
order to see what's there. And we would love again

1371
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:35,520
our goal is simply to uncover something because we know

1372
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,600
that I mean the typical conspiracy and you see this, honestly,

1373
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,880
you see it in the writings. Hey, such and such

1374
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,840
was found in the Smithsonian came and took it away.

1375
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:47,359
Now people just laugh at all conspiracy theorists. Well, it's

1376
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,479
interesting that you know, hundreds and hundreds of those articles

1377
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,760
that's exactly what they say, and so it is no surprising. Again,

1378
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,680
it goes back to the whole phenomena that you find

1379
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,319
and the Raiders of the Lost Arc. You know, they

1380
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:03,960
take the arc and they put it on a shelf

1381
01:21:04,039 --> 01:21:08,520
somewhere in some museum basement. Yeah.

1382
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing is that they tail on

1383
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,920
themselves and then they just expect us to be like, oh,

1384
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:16,840
that's hyperbole or that was just you know, being facetious.

1385
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,199
You know, absolutely, wondo man, before we go, just a

1386
01:21:21,359 --> 01:21:23,720
case somebody tuned in light or something like that, let

1387
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,680
everybody know where they can find you, your material, your books.

1388
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,439
Go ahead and plug your stuff away, man.

1389
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. I just everything that I do

1390
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,800
is found at prophecywatchers dot com and all of our media,

1391
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,439
television other places there. All of our background leads us

1392
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,920
to our YouTube channel, which you know, we're all over

1393
01:21:44,039 --> 01:21:47,119
social media as well, but that's primarily the place where

1394
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:49,880
most of the stuff that I'm doing gets shared. And

1395
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,800
of course, you know, connected with Eli Marsouli done stuff

1396
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,680
with Tim Albarino as well. Those guys are brothers, and

1397
01:21:56,039 --> 01:21:57,680
we're all looking for the same thing. We're looking for

1398
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,520
some adventure, but we're also looking for truth and it's exciting.

1399
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,880
I mean, we know that there's a La says all

1400
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,279
the time there's a there's a hidden history that has

1401
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,920
been obfuscated. And that's a great phrase because we do

1402
01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:13,880
know that there's an agenda to hide some of these

1403
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,479
things again, the history of our world. And this is

1404
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,119
why I think people are interested. People are smart enough

1405
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:23,079
to look beyond some of the academic snobbery that you

1406
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:26,479
have in modern in the modern scientific endeavors.

1407
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:31,239
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with one ever said, I love that

1408
01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:33,399
big twenty dollars. Oh word, I use it a lot

1409
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,000
obvious gate Yes, makes me makes me feel smart, you

1410
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:37,520
know what I'm saying.

1411
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 3: Amen.

1412
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Speaker 2: Well, guys, hope you enjoyed that man because I did.

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And be sure to check out his stuff. Man, if

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you've not been exposed to it, maybe this conversation will

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show you. This guy is a down to earth guy,

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but he's a really smart guy, well researched guy. I

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think you will enjoy his stuff very much. But guys, hey, man,

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thank you so much for tuning in. I just want

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you to let you. Guys know, man, I appreciate you

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and you just got to ember God. It's the difference

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between the known and the unknown, my friends, that is

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the journey. It's a good journey, my friends.

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Speaker 4: If the path is the the truth, so we steal

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the fasier, not to burn it down, but to all

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no one still frozen by the last past around. They

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call it day for thinking.

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Speaker 3: They