WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.040 KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:10.400 House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. Good 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:14.039 Sunday morning to you, my friend. Thanks for joining us 4 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.760 on the show. Welcome to the second hour of our 5 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:20.600 fine little program. Here. Follow us on social media. We 6 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:23.559 only do to good kind of social media, uplifting, informative, 7 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:29.199 inspiring social media. We're on all the usual suspects, Instagram, TikTok, fakes, Facebook, 8 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:33.200 x home with Dean, same handle for them all. If 9 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.439 your home is in need of some personal house Whisper attention. 10 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.399 If you sit here listening to the show week after 11 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.840 week and you think to yourself, this is fantastic, But 12 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.560 you know what I could really use. You know, babe, 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.399 what we could really use Dean and Tina sitting in 14 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.719 our family room staring at this mess, telling us what 15 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:55.640 it is. What's the game changing idea that's going to 16 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.880 make it all work? Right? Well, that can happen too, 17 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.359 It actually can. All you have to do is reach 18 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:04.400 out to us. We can do an in home design 19 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.200 consult with you. Just go to house Whisperer dot design, 20 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.480 house Whisperer dot Design. All right, I told you they 21 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:16.079 were around and you didn't hear from Tina earlier today, 22 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.799 but you know Tina's around and about, and so you 23 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:22.239 got to say hi to everybody. 24 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:24.120 This morning, Hello and welcome home. 25 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:29.719 There you go, and also there it is. There's her 26 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.200 spirit animal following right behind her. And also literally following 27 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:39.120 right behind her is Olivia. Olivia Ray Sharp, eight years old, 28 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.959 out of control. You want to say hi to everybody. 29 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:44.159 Hi. 30 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:46.480 I also got to pettit chicken today. 31 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.920 Oh she also got to pettit kicking pot and the 32 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:57.159 crowd goes wild. All right, thank you? Oh I love 33 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:02.640 that kid. All right, if you haven't been listening thus far, 34 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.359 if you've just joined us, we're talking concrete today with 35 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.159 my very special in studio guests Chris Carson. Chris, are 36 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.479 you in any way related to Kit Carson? 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:18.319 Possibly back in the history archives, but not to my knowledge? 38 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.360 Okay, all right. I was just checking because I'm reading 39 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.120 a book on him right now, and so it was 40 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.039 just in my mind. I'm like, wait a second, I 41 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.039 have to ask that question. 42 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:25.639 Uh. 43 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.560 I mean we're all relayed to everybody at some point, right, 44 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:30.240 but nothing direct that you're aware? 45 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:30.599 All right? 46 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.759 All right, okay, very famous frontier concrete man, Kit Carson. No, 47 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.400 not at all. All right, anyway, we're talking concrete. But 48 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.560 it's top of the hour, so guess what time to 49 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.000 go to the phones, and so let's get a couple 50 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.199 of calls in, shall we? 51 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:48.800 Uh? 52 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:50.439 Is it is it? Shoe? 53 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:51.120 Is it? 54 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:51.639 Shoe? 55 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:52.400 Shoe? 56 00:02:52.919 --> 00:03:01.159 Welcome me? Q Oh you okay? 57 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:02.199 Yeah? 58 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.759 All right, Hey, Hugh, how's it going? 59 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:10.319 Good? Good morning? Good morning, yeah going? Well, thanks, Yeah, 60 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.560 I just had a quick question for you. I'm actually 61 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:17.439 from Eagle Rock myself personally, Oh my goodness, grew up 62 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.639 going to schol Canyon as a kid. That was a 63 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:21.080 treat to go up to Shoal Canyon. 64 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.080 You were just you were so close, so close to 65 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.719 me at that point because I was living back in 66 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:32.319 the canyon there literally. Well, yeah, it's yeah, So anyway, 67 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:33.159 all right, Oh. 68 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:34.759 Going to the dump was a treat of a kid. 69 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.680 But anyhow, Yeah, I work in home improvements. I've been 70 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.120 doing it for quite a few years, and one of 71 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.520 our staples that we install is text coat. I'm sure 72 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.199 you're familiar with it, and I just want to get 73 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.680 kind of your feedback on it, see what you your 74 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.360 thought on it was, and see if it's really kind 75 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:52.159 of worth it in the long run, as opposed to 76 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.639 like say, Benjamin More exterior paints. 77 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:57.520 You know what I mean. I don't have a I 78 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.039 don't have an issue with text your coat as long 79 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.360 as it's here. Well, here's my thing. I have seen 80 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:09.159 so many text coats, and by textco you want, Hugh, 81 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.800 go ahead and explain very quickly your understanding of text 82 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.160 cooat so everybody knows we're all on the same page. 83 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.360 Okay. So textcoat is a is a name brand of 84 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.040 a type of paint that's been that was created back 85 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:27.000 in nineteen sixty three as a long term solution to 86 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.199 exterior paints, you know, kind of replaced lead paint and 87 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:35.560 exterior lead oil paints, excuse me. And it's water based 88 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.199 and it's non toxic, and it's got a lot of 89 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.079 properties in it, like fire resistance. It's got to perlite 90 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.199 and all kinds of good things in it to make 91 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.839 it long lasting. It uses titanium as a base, and 92 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.480 it's just very expensive and I just want to see 93 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.680 it if you know, you agree with you know, my boss, 94 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.720 that is it's well worth it and people should be 95 00:04:58.720 --> 00:04:59.680 buying it, you know. 96 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:04.839 Okay, all right, So and that's a great description of textcoat. 97 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:12.639 Here's the thing from two different perspectives, one from the 98 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:14.879 builder side of me. So let me wake up the builder. 99 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.360 It's a Sunday morning. He's asleep, so I'll wake him 100 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.439 up to comment on this. The builder side of me, 101 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.879 I have no issues with textcoat as long as the 102 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:31.240 prep work is done properly. And that's really what it 103 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:36.360 comes down to all painting, all forms of exterior paint 104 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.279 in all painting in general, is it's much like what 105 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:42.439 Chris and I have been talking about this morning, like 106 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.879 concrete prep, the prep before the poor is. You know, 107 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.920 it is ninety plus percent of the job in so 108 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.680 many ways, having everything right. And so the issues that 109 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.759 I've had in the past as a builder with text 110 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.439 coat is not the material itself. It's with the fact 111 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:06.839 that it's been slapped on very uh fast and furious 112 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:11.839 by some home improvement contractor who has not taken the 113 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.000 time and put in the effort to prep the surface well, 114 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.920 prime the surface well so that we get a good bond. 115 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:22.399 Because text coat is a very very thick milled material 116 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.920 to put on the outside of any structure, and it 117 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.120 has that rubberized latex quality to it, which is one 118 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.680 of its advantages, you know, bridges cracks some and that 119 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.079 kind of stuff. But because so thick, if it doesn't, 120 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.759 if it isn't clinging incredibly well, then any amount of 121 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.399 moisture inside the stucco or that gets behind it will 122 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.519 push it off and will push it off, and once 123 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.319 it comes off, if it's not holding well, it starts 124 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.639 coming off in sheets. So that's not the fault of 125 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.720 the texture coat itself. That is the fault of a 126 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:05.120 rushed application. So my honest opinion, Hugh, Yeah, from the 127 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.000 contractor point of view is that I have no issue 128 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:11.600 with the product per se. I think it's a quality 129 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:17.240 product that works well for some homes in some situations, uh, 130 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.839 and could work well you know, in a lot of 131 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:26.639 different ways. My issue is that a lot of text 132 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:32.199 coat contractors are are kind of you know, blow and 133 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:36.160 go contractors who come in and just like voom, boom, bump, 134 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.120 and they don't take the time to prep the surface well, 135 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.600 and then we end up inheriting those problems down the road. 136 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.439 So that is that's my contractor perspective. It's a it's 137 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.040 a solid material, it has its uses, it's got a 138 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.920 lot of benefits to it, but you've got to find 139 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.800 a contractor who's going to do it well. Number one. 140 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.480 On the design side of things, the designer in me 141 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:06.680 UH only has two issues UH to discuss text coat. 142 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:11.639 One is, as a designer, its texture is not always 143 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.839 the texture I want, and so it unless you know, 144 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:19.680 like everything else, everything has its application, and nothing should 145 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:24.639 be applied universally everywhere, right because it has its own look, 146 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.079 it has its own vibe, and if it fits with 147 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.319 what we're doing, we're all for it. And if it doesn't, 148 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.279 then I want to go elsewhere. Okay, I want I 149 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.480 want to address things with a different product. And secondly, real. 150 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.639 Quick before before you get there is picture, there is 151 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.799 texture text coat, but then there's also like flat, so 152 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.399 it will just it'll just take on the look of 153 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.559 anything that is being painted. 154 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:56.480 So so yeah, what's there understood understood? It's just not 155 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.200 It's just not something that I sell as a universal 156 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.200 coding for every thing, because there's always a time where 157 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.200 there's you know, it's a time to use something else. 158 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.879 But as a whole, I have no issue with the 159 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.879 with the quality of the product. But again, a well 160 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:19.000 adhered exterior paint of good quality can last a heck 161 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.559 of a long time. There are other fire resistant coatings 162 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.159 that can go on the outside of a house. So 163 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.240 it's a toolbox. So for me, you know, I it's 164 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.639 a toolbox. One of the things as a designer that 165 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.440 I usually struggle with is when I find textured, heavily 166 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.000 textured text coat that's been run up a stucco wall 167 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:42.240 and then across a sofet or an eve out to 168 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:47.919 the facier board. It all cringey about that, and it's 169 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.879 usually it also from the builder side of things that 170 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.480 becomes a weak point. So anyway, Hugh, a great question, 171 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.480 Thanks for throwing it out there, and yeah, that's my opinion. 172 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.480 I even went long into the break to explain that. 173 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:09.120 So super appreciate the call, my friend. Yeah, as long 174 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.960 as your company is one that is installing it with 175 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.679 integrity and all of the prep work necessary, you know, 176 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.600 have at it, my friend, because it has its uses, 177 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.600 absolutely for sure. All right, y'all, when we come back 178 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.279 more of your calls. 179 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.720 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 180 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.320 KFI AM six forty. 181 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.799 We're talking concrete today with my special in studio guests 182 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.240 Chris Carson. But right now we are taking calls. I 183 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.840 want to go back to the phones. Let's see here 184 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:49.519 bumping a bump, bump, bum, Let's talk to Jim. Hey, Jim, 185 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:50.679 welcome home. 186 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:54.559 Hey you guys, how's it go this morning? 187 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.240 Doing great? How can we help you? 188 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:01.320 Hey? I have a question for mister Cromson on two questions. 189 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.559 One of them is, I hear the word concrete mason, 190 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.960 and you're kind of toss around together, and I'm not 191 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:10.200 sure what the difference is. And the second question is 192 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.080 what are the top two reasons for concrete failure? 193 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.320 Okay? All right? And your your your connection is a 194 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.279 little wonky. I can hear you. You're just kind of 195 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.399 you're warbling a little bit so, but I'm just going 196 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:27.320 to repeat that. So two questions, Chris. One, he hears 197 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.279 the word the terms concrete and masonry thrown in together. 198 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:32.320 What's the difference between the two, And then what are 199 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.639 the two top reasons for concrete failure? 200 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:41.120 Okay? Yes, difference between concrete and masonry pretty simple. Concrete 201 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.879 is concrete flour, driveways, patios. It's a different product. Masonry 202 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.399 is it's all called hardscape. But masonry is more in 203 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:56.720 the form of units, whether it's block brick pavers. You're 204 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.320 building a barbecue or a fire pit, doing a brick planter. 205 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:06.360 That's masonry work. Okay, so it all includes concrete. Yeah, 206 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:11.039 there's footings to build the masonry, so it's all concrete is. 207 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.960 The mortar that's going in between the masonry. So I 208 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:15.720 think that's a really great way of putting it, is 209 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.480 that masonry is that what we're building, is we're building 210 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.919 it out of units, and concrete is pouring in as 211 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.200 a as a solid mass essentially, and. 212 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.840 They all go hand in hand. So you kind of 213 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:32.519 want a contractor that's experiencing, you know, both masonry and 214 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.080 concrete because they have everything to do with each other, 215 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:40.960 one and the same. Almost. Yeahs oars back to failures. 216 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:45.039 It's it could be you know, it's hard to say 217 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.840 number one, number two reasons for failure. It just starts 218 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:54.000 from the early onset of grading, preppering, prepping. What am 219 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.000 I pouring over? Is it clay? Is an expansive soil? 220 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.039 Is this thing going to heave on me? 221 00:12:59.759 --> 00:12:59.879 Orse? 222 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:05.360 Think? So the preparation is obviously key and just to skip, 223 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.240 you know, kind of a to the end here, you 224 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.399 have your base material compacted sand or based material. You 225 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.240 have your rebar, you need a good quality concrete. I 226 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.279 like to pour from trucks. You can get these companies 227 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.279 that have a car decrete or you can mix up 228 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:25.519 my hand. Most likely it's not uh, it's not gonna 229 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:28.919 have the p S I and the quality that you're 230 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.519 gonna need from a ready mixed company. So and then back, 231 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.240 you know, back to the real failures. You know, it 232 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.039 could just could be as simple as overwetting the concrete, 233 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.039 pouring later in the day when it's too hot, not 234 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:47.720 having enough people to control the finishing, and the proper technique. 235 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.399 I always like to pour in the morning. First thing. 236 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:53.399 It gives us plenty of time to work with things. 237 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.559 The trucks are on time more than a timely manner. 238 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.600 You are to concrete. Second round, say ten eleven o'clock. 239 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.039 Sometimes the truck won't get to the job to one o'clock. 240 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.279 So and then then the lastly, just we talked about 241 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.279 control giants and the expansion joints, the lines that you 242 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.679 put in the concrete. They might look decorative, but they're 243 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.360 there for reason. And that's probably the number one thing 244 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.600 in keeping your concrete from failing. And those need to 245 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:24.200 be within an eight to six foot square grid square 246 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.919 forty fives. Whatever you want to do, you need to 247 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.000 get these lines in there. 248 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:29.480 I'm going to jump in here because you and I 249 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.600 are going to talk about this next segment, you know, 250 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.879 kind of in depth. So keep listening Jim as we 251 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.440 talk about that. But I think I think essentially let 252 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.320 me let me add in here. When we talk about 253 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.200 concrete failure, I mean, they're really kind of are only 254 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:49.840 two kinds of concrete failure. One is a structural fail 255 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.559 and that's really bad, and two is an esthetic fail. 256 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.720 And so I would draw a differential between those two. 257 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.600 A structural fail is a disaster for a project because 258 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.000 you know you've got structural concrete under your home? 259 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:06.799 Do it? 260 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.720 You know in retaining walls? Do you know it's there 261 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.120 to do a very very specific job. And I'm not 262 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:17.639 too implying that there isn't there are non structural concrete 263 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:21.840 because you know there's a structure to a driveway. But 264 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:24.320 and a lot of homeowners aren't aware of this. You know, 265 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.440 when it comes to flatwork around your house, you don't 266 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.679 even have to pull a permit for flat work around 267 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.200 your house. It is not considered essensial structural support because 268 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.440 it's just people are walking on it, vehicles are driving 269 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.360 on it, and so you can just have that all 270 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.240 designed and poured without a permit. The city is not 271 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.799 involved in that. But anything that where concrete is a 272 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.480 foundation for something else where it's holding up the walls 273 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.480 of your home or holding back a large amount of 274 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.600 soil that is you know that otherwise would find its 275 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.200 way into your yard. Those are very very specific engineered 276 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.240 structural applications, and so if concrete fails in that way, 277 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.799 we are in serious trouble. Most homeowners consider structural concrete 278 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.759 failure when they come out and they look at their 279 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.120 garage slab, or they look at their driveway or their 280 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.440 patio and there are cracks or uplift or things happening 281 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.480 in places that they just don't want it to have happen. 282 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.279 I mean, they don't have to move out because of that, 283 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.519 but they hate the way it looks and so as 284 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.600 a result, So that's, by the way, Jim, what we're 285 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.440 going to be talking about next, not so much the 286 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.399 deep chemistry of getting all the structural stuff right, but 287 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:49.039 when it comes to decorative esthetic finish on concrete, the 288 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.600 need for crack controlled joints, and Chris is going to 289 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:55.960 give us some seriously, seriously good advice about that, not 290 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.799 only how often they should be, but where they should 291 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.080 be and and what direction they should be running, and 292 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:04.440 do they need to be wide or do they need 293 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.720 to be deep or both? All of that we will 294 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.279 cover right after. 295 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.640 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 296 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.240 KFI Am sixty. 297 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.279 We're talking concrete this morning with my very special in 298 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:27.440 studio guest Chris Carson, Concrete and Mason Contractor. Extraordinary and 299 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.440 just such a great time with him this morning. I 300 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.559 want to get back into it, Chris, So all right, 301 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.400 let me throw out just at first, because I don't 302 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.000 care how long it takes for us to talk about this. 303 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.440 I want to make sure that people are really learning 304 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.400 some things this morning. Let me throw out four little 305 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.400 facts for y'all right now about concrete, and then we're 306 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.480 going to talk about the fourth one ad exhaustion. At 307 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:59.319 exhaustion now a number one concrete. You got to know 308 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.039 this concrete doesn't dry. We talk about concrete drawing. It 309 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:07.240 doesn't dry. Concrete doesn't dry. It cures. Okay. Curing is 310 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:09.839 a is a chemistry. Thing. It means that something is 311 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.880 undergoing a process of stabilizing under the influence of a compound. 312 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:19.039 And so, just so you know, the part of the 313 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.960 prep and the planning of a concrete poor, a proper 314 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.440 concrete pore is that you're designing the mix. You heard 315 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.839 Chris use that term mix design. You're designing the mix 316 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:36.119 for a specific structural or application. You're designing the mix 317 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.880 based on the weather of the day, the heat of 318 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.480 the day, the cool of the day, the amount of 319 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:46.720 humidity that's in or lack thereof. You're designing the poor 320 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:53.200 to basically maximize the retention of the moisture that comes 321 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.240 in the mix. We don't want to pour when it's 322 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.880 raining because we're adding additional water to the whole problem, 323 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.200 and you can't finish concrete in the rain that way. 324 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.039 And we don't want to pour when it's one hundred 325 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:10.000 and eighty degrees outside because we're losing water out of 326 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:14.480 the mix so fast that it doesn't cure properly and 327 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.000 we end up with a weak finish. Even though the 328 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.240 concrete dries and it's hard, but it is lost a 329 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.880 lot of its strength. The water that's in the mix 330 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.480 needs to stay in there for as long as as 331 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.640 possible to do its job and activate all of the 332 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:34.799 cement molecules so that they come to full adhesion. Because 333 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:36.960 it's a curing process, it's also, by the way, a 334 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.039 thermogenic process, which means if you've ever had the opportunity 335 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.079 to walk up and put your hand on the belly 336 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:46.920 of a concrete truck, when it shows up a cement truck, 337 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.160 you'll find that it's warm. It's warm in there. As 338 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.119 concrete cures, it lets off heat. There's a whole thing 339 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.640 that's going on there, and so the timing of those trucks. 340 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.920 Concrete can't stand there forever, and the longer it mixes, 341 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.920 the warmer it gets. And you know, there's an expiration 342 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.200 date on a on a cement truck, which is why 343 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.480 Chris earlier in the show was saying, Hey, I like 344 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.119 to do Poor's first thing in the morning, because because 345 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:18.279 ordering the trucks as they come from the cement factory, 346 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:23.119 they are more reliable timing wise, cause if you're the first, 347 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.400 if you're the first job, and you should talk to 348 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.160 your concrete people and your contractor about that. Can we 349 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:30.880 make sure that we're the first job for an early 350 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.400 morning poor, you've got more control of your environment, more 351 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.880 control of the heat of the day, and more control 352 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.920 of the reliability of the trucks showing up, because if 353 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.319 something goes wrong on a first poor and things get delayed, 354 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.640 that's why the people who are waiting for a midday 355 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.799 poor sometimes their trucks end up coming late later than expected, 356 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.680 and so that's a whole thing. Another thing is to 357 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:58.880 understand that without special attention to specialized ad mixtures, concrete 358 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:04.319 is not waterproof. Concrete is, in its most rudimentary nature 359 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.240 is as a cure is it squeezes that water out 360 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.400 and leaves behind empty voids and capillaries. Concrete is a 361 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.319 giant stone sponge in essence, and so if there are 362 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.799 moisture issues, there have to be vapor barriers involved and 363 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.079 all sorts of things like that. So you just need 364 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:25.000 to understand that about concrete. And now to get to 365 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.039 the point that we're going to talk about in the 366 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.440 next segment. And I'm just setting it up here, and 367 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.519 we went a little long last segment, so I'm gonna 368 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.440 cut it short here so we can get back on schedule. 369 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.440 But everything you've heard me say this before, hopefully and 370 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.960 if you're new to the show, then lucky you. I'm 371 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.640 gonna say it again. Everything in life is strong in 372 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:49.279 some ways, but not in all ways. Okay, that's just 373 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.119 a life principle, and it's definitely a principle in physics 374 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.880 and in mechanics and in chemistry. Concrete is strong in 375 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:04.160 one particular way. It, like stone, has incredible capacity for 376 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:09.559 what we call compressive strength. Okay, try taking a one 377 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:14.759 foot by one foot cube of concrete and putting unbelievable 378 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:19.279 even force on it from all sides. You won't move 379 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.200 it an inch. Try crushing it just with even force. 380 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:25.799 Or you take a one foot by one foot cube 381 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:28.359 of concrete you could park on. You put park an 382 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.359 aircraft carrier on top of it, if you've got it 383 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.240 set up the right way. I'm exaggerating obviously, but the 384 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:41.640 point is concrete is incredibly strong compressively. But concrete, like 385 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:46.319 most stone, is brittle. Meaning I could take that thing, 386 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:50.160 that cube that I just put unbelievable amounts of pressure on, 387 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.680 and uh, I could take a hammer, just a hammer 388 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:56.359 and hit the corner of it and crack the corner 389 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:01.880 right off, boom off it comes. Because concrete is brittle. Now, 390 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.759 the opposite of concrete would be a material like steel, 391 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.880 which has incredible what we call tensile strength. You can 392 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:10.200 put a lot of pressure on steel. You can bend 393 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.240 it and arc it and tie it in a bow, 394 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.680 and guess what, it didn't break. It flexed and we 395 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.720 could pull it and it doesn't snap. It has incredible 396 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:23.720 tensile strength. But you know, we could put a lot 397 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.279 of pressure on that little rod of steel and smash 398 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.799 it flat. Not so much compressive strength. So guess what 399 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:35.359 when you combine something that has tensile strength and you 400 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:39.119 put it right in the middle of a concrete pour 401 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:45.039