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your support. So okay, we've got a new report from

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Queen City News based off of a release of details

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by the Charlotte Area Transit System. The CEO, Brent Cagele,

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or interim CEO, released new details yesterday about the man

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accused in the latest stabbing on the Blue Line, and

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also he addressed concerns about cats safety and security. According

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to Queen CityNews qcnews dot com piece by Sierra Langford

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and Andy Weber Katz confirmed that Oscar Solarzano should have

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been barred from the system indefinitely, but a clerical mistake

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prevented that from happening. Kat said that he had received

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a one year exclusion on October eighth for a weapon

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violation and a six month exclusion the very next day

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for public intoxication. Right, so we have two interactions, one

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on October eighth, one on October ninth, two interactions with

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Cat's security NCMPD. The first for having a knife on

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the train or on the platform, and that got him

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a one year excresclusion banned for one year the very

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next day, though he's publicly drunk on a platform or

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on the train, and because of a clerical mistake or something,

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I guess, they did not know on October ninth that

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they had just had an interaction with him the prior

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day for having a weapon. Katz says that a data

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entry error during training meant that officers on October ninth

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did not have visibility into the prior day's exclusion. Without

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that information, Katz said, the indefinite band should have been applied,

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but it never happened because they didn't know about the

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prior day's interaction. Katz also emphasized transit bans are legal restrictions,

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not physical barrier, and that's part of the issue is

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that they can ban you from the train, whether it's

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a year or six months or permanently, but that's not

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going to stop you from getting on a train, especially

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for somebody like this guy, Oscar Solarzano, who was caught

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twice coming into the country illegally. Well, I guess now

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three times he was deported twice. He obviously does not

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care when people tell him you're not allowed to be someplace,

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he doesn't care. He goes and exists in that place.

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Katz explained that there is no practical way to identify

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and excluded a band individual as they get on board,

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because the system does not have controlled entrances, right, So

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how do you police this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think CATS knows either, Like this is going

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to be a very big challenge for them to try

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to figure this out, to try to figure out a

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way to actually enforce a band. There was a story

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I heard in one of the newscasts here at WBT

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quoting I guess she was an employee or maybe a

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former employee of CATS who talked about.

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Speaker 1: How the band people are.

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Speaker 2: Like how or how drivers are told like, hey, watch

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out for this person, and it's like in the break

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room they have a they got like a bulletin board

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and they post people's faces up there, like hey, don't

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let this guy on the train. That's not going to work.

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Folks like that's that's not an effective system. It really

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is shocking that the Blue Line was able to operate

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for as long as it has been without more of

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these types of incidents. When you see like the system

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that they have been using, it is kind of amazing.

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Speaker 1: We've only seen two of these types of attacks.

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Speaker 2: Officials added they do not yet know whether Solarzano had

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a valid ticket, but it's presumed that he did not.

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was not inside the light rail in the car when

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the stabbing occurred, which, honestly, that's the best option. I'm

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not saying that's I'm not saying like you shouldn't staff security.

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guard on the train, because that would have meant that

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the security guard did not intervene and did not try

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to deeac escalate or did not try to, you know,

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stop this guy from accosting people on the train, which

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then precipitated the the altercation with Kenyandbe who got a

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knife in the chest for his efforts. And speaking of

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Kenyan Dobe. He is the victim in this light rail

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stabbing and he was arrested yesterday. He got out of

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the hospital and police took him into custody. Now I

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will say I found because I'm this kind of person.

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I went, I went and ran his name through the

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Speaker 1: I did this.

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Speaker 2: I guess it would let's say Thursday, so it would

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have been Tuesday evening and it popped up. He's got

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a record, which is why I have n't been promoting

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his go fund me. He was arrested. According to the

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jail's website. He was committed to the jail February twenty

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fifth this year, released the next day, and the charges

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misdemeanor crime of domestic violence and assault on a female.

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five thousand dollars unsecured bond, and for the assault on

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a female he was released with no bond because I

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guess it was consolidated with the other charge. So that's

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what I found on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 1: That's why.

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Speaker 2: And I wrestled with this because because I don't know

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any of the details when I found this record, I

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don't know any details of what happened, if there's some

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sort of domestic issue going on, as it possible his

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girlfriend or his wife or somebody you know, filed some

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fake charges against him because they had a fight or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You just you don't know. I don't know, And so

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because I don't know, like I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to, you know, I don't want to slander

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the guy or anything. But on the other hand, if

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it turns out that he did do something bad, I

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don't want people.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to direct.

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Speaker 2: People to go to a GoFundMe and give this guy money,

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which a lot of people have now done. He has

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raised like one hundred thousand dollars because of the stabbing,

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and he can spend that money on yes, medical bills,

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but he can also spend them on his legal bills. Now,

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So this was the ethical dilemma I was kind of

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wrestling with. And then this morning I saw that the

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story now has some more details, and I feel a

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lot better about not telling people to go donate to

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his GoFundMe. All right, if you're listening to this show,

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Let me jump get Clay to jump on here. Hello Clay,

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Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: Hey boss man, what's up?

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Speaker 3: I think I just got a comment on this stabbing

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and all I think that that people were afraid sometimes

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to defend themselves because they know the ramifications of if

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a guy stabbed you, and your shooting and you're killing,

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which I don't can done killing somebody, but if you

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have to to defend your life, then they got to

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go through all the legal ramifications. And I think it's

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a fact of if I would have been on the train,

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I probably would have. You know, we're not going to

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out shot the.

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Speaker 2: Guy, but well you're not allowed to have a gun

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on the train, no concealed carry. You can't have weapons

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on the train, and that's why, well that's why criminals

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don't carry any weapons either.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, well he had a knife. But if I

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would have pulled a knife out and stabbed him, then

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I would have been just as much, if not more

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trouble than he was. I think the fact that people

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can't defend themselves anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well this is the Daniel Penny effect, right,

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And Daniel Penny didn't even use any kind of weapons.

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He just subdued a man that was threatening people on

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the train in New York City, and he got charged

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because the guy that he subdued he died, and so

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they charged Daniel Penny, and I think, yeah, that's going

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to make that's going to make people think again about

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about whether or not to get involved and to try

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Speaker 3: Sure, yes, sir, Well thanks for listening. I love your

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show and keep going all.

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Speaker 1: Right, thanks Clay, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So the guy who got stabbed, now, remember Kenyon Dobe

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is the victim here at twenty four years old, and

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he claimed in that video from his hospital bed as

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he's got tubes draining blood out of his lungs. And

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he put out a video and he said that he

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was not going to allow this guy to attack random

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people for no reason, especially the elderly. How could he

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hear you defend themselves? Right, So he's, according to him, Solarzano,

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drunk is going around and accosting elderly people on the train.

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be pretty fit, pretty strong, and he stands up to

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this bully, right to this maniac that's threatening people on

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the train, which is what we would want people to

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do if it was your grandma, grandpa sitting on the

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train in fear of their life because some drunk crazy

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person is threatening them. You would hope that somebody like

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Kenyon Dobe would stand up to protect them. But it

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turns out that Kenyandbe had some outstanding warrants on him.

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records show a man who was the victim in a

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stabbing was arrested yesterday. He faces charges of assault with

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serious bodily injury, assault on a pregnant woman, assault on

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a female, domestic violence, and three counts of communicating threats.

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Speaker 1: Now remember I found his mugshot.

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Speaker 2: And this says he was arrested back in February and

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the charges were domestic violence, assault on a female. This

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says that a warrant was issued for his arrest on

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October nineteenth for serious bodily injury assault, another warrant issued

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on November eighteenth for the remaining charges. Court records say

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that the incident happened October eighteenth. He's accused of punching

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a woman in the face, causing a facial fracture. This

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is ah doesn't sound like a good guy. He did

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a good thing, but he did a bad thing too.

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from the hospital. He's now held without bond. He has

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a court appearance, or he had a court appearance. I

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think he was supposed to appear in court this morning.

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Speaker 1: So again, like.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people donated money to this guy's GoFundMe,

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and I think a lot of people are going to

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be upset now because they didn't know this about it

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him and I think that definitely would have impacted his

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ability to raise money, but maybe not. Like this is

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the ethical dilemma that I was wrestling with yesterday whether

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I didn't know the nature of the charges and what

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hold off. I'm not going to promote this GoFundMe. And

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I'm glad I did, because I would not have felt

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comfortable if I had if I had recommended in any

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way people go give this guy money, only to find

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people would have regrets for giving money to him. Now.

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I don't know what happens from here. I don't know

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if you can get your money back from a GoFundMe.

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I don't know, but you deserve to know that, especially

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if you've donated the money back to the Queen City

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News story on the Cat's response, Katz says that there

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is a video of the stabbing of this incident. They

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say it has not been released due to the ongoing investigation. Okay,

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and just like we saw with the Arena Zarutzka murder,

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you know, local media forced the issue and forced Cats

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to release the video. I suspect that's going to be

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the outcome here as well. The video is not going

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to jeopardize the investigation. The video is what it is,

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and Cats can sit on it. They can try to

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withhold it for as long as they can, but at

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some point they will be forced to make it public

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because it is public record. Part of the story also

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is the Charlotte City Council's vote on Monday night. We

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talked about this yesterday on the show as well. Their

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vote on Monday night to approve a three point four

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million dollar marketing and communications contract with a PR firm

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out of Texas.

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Speaker 1: Bad timing.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, they started their Request four proposal process before the

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stabbing on Friday. We have more details on the timeline

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because I suspected that the PR contract was sought after

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the murder of Arena Zerutzka. But according to Katz, they say, no, no, no,

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we put the RFP Request four proposals.

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Speaker 1: We put that out in July.

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Speaker 2: So Kat says they started soliciting bids for the contract

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in July before Zerutzka was murdered. Now, obviously the comm's strategy,

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the PR strategy is going to probably look a lot

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different now. Well then it was looking in July whatever,

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whatever the RFPs looked like in July, and whatever they

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were thinking of these PR people. You know, they thought, oh,

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we could do something, you know, with the Charlotte rail

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like you know, Charlotte, Charlotte moves you or something like that. Right,

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I suspect the branding is going to look a little

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different now. It's probably going to say something along the

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lines of ride cats, it's safer than you think, or

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it's safer than you've heard, or something like that. You know,

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they have to address the public safety concerns that are

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that obviously exist.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Katz said there's no connection between the contract and the

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stabbing on December fifth, and that it's been in the

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works for several months prior. Cat's also clarified that the

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three point four million dollars for the marketing and comms

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will be spent over the course of the contract, which

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is a one year contract with the option for three

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one year renewals, so it's eight hundred fifty thousand a year.

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The new contract includes community engagement. Catz said it's previous

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contract for PR was three hundred thousand dollars annually. Okay,

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so they're they're they're ramping up the PR campaign. They

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were doing this before Arena Zerutzka's murder. The idea was

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you were going to spend three hundred k or that

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you were spending three hundred k a year for PR,

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and then in July you're like, you know what, we

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need to almost triple this budget. This needs to go

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from three hundred thousand a year to eight hundred fifty

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thousand dollars a year. By the way, I'm open for endorsements.

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Cats if you would like to pay, I kid, I

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kid the cats.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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it's six pages, although the last I think the last

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two are just the republication of their safety and security protocols,

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says before diving into the details, I want to take

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a moment to reflect on the broader context. Transit is

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a microcosm of our community. It is deeply woven into

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daily life and reflective of the challenges we face as

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a society. Yes, I agree with Brent Cagel, interim CEO

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of CATS. I agree with that much. Look, the school

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district says the same thing, right, that the problems outside

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in the community at large, they come into the schools.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: In this particular case with Cats and the violence that

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we have seen on the and by the way, these

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two stabbings, these are not the only incidents of violence.

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We've been covering the various attacks on passengers for quite.

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Speaker 1: A while now, and it does seem to be getting worse.

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Speaker 2: More attacks, and those are the ones that we know of.

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Stacy Matthews had a piece at Red State today or yesterday,

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and she tells the story because she's here in Charlotte,

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and she tells the story of a friend of hers

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who rode the trolley and talked about how she was

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sitting on the trolley and these four men get on

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and they basically surround her. One of them sits right

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up next to her starts making all sorts of comments about, oh,

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you must be rich because you have a very nice

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pocketbook or purse. Like menacing behavior towards this woman. There

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was no police report for that incident, right, This sort

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of thing happens all the time, and people who live

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in cities like Charlotte, they get this idea that, well,

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you know, that's the trade off of living in a

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big city, like we just have to put up with

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the random attacks. But that shouldn't be the case. It

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shouldn't that that should not be something that people just

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accept and as proof. You know, I originally I'm from

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New York. I lived on Long Island, but our media

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market was the TV stations in the city, so we

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saw all of the you know, newscasts of all the

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stuff going on in the city. And I grew up

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at a time before Rudy Giuliani became mayor, before he

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cleaned up the city, and like it was scary. You know,

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you wouldn't go to Times Square, you wouldn't go down there.

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Why would you go down there? Unless you wanted to

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go like see the peep shows and get some drugs

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or something, you wouldn't go down to Times Square. But

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you clean up the city, and how do you clean

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up this city? You take a zero tolerance approach to

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the kinds of anti social behavior that fray the fabric

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of a high trust society. The reason why we can

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walk around in a city and feel safe in our

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person and our belongings is because we are a high

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trust society. And that comes from a belief that if

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you are attacked, other people may intervene to help, but

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more importantly, the person would face serious repercussions. So therefore

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you have the umbrella of security that allows you to

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engage in commerce and activities. If you don't have the

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umbrella of security like this is like the first order,

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the highest principle of any civilization, of any city, of

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any tribe or village, right otherwise you're living in anarchy

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or under a warlord. So when you have local officials

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that abandon public safety as the primary highest order priority,

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then you have the fabric of that high trust society

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start to fray. And when that breaks down, you then

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end up with less economic activity. People aren't going out

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and visiting all of the shiny buildings that you have built,

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all of the attractions, all the concert venues and such.

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People don't want to go and risk their lives for

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a stake for dinner in uptown.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're losing. Think about and be at a front.

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Speaker 2: Row seat to the push in the early two thousands

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by Charlotte city leaders Democrat and Republican.

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Speaker 1: They were all on board with this idea, almost all.

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Speaker 2: There were a couple of people that were not, but

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virtually all on board with the idea that Charlotte needs

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to be a world class city. We want Charlotte to

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be put in the category of all world class cities.

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And they spend so much money, time, treasure right, resources

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and personnel and man hours and all of the efforts

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to make uptown Charlotte what it is today, but to

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make it a world class city. They were very proud

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of the fact that it was clean. Like they got

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mocked by a former host here on WBT, Keith Larson

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used to call it tidy Town because everything's got to

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be so tidy and perfect and everything and somewhere along

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the way, somewhere along the way, we've decided to just

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whiz it all away. No, they've they've deprioritized public safety,

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and that's along the that's a similar trend at a

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national level as well. I mean, the amount of damage

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done by the defund the police movement. We're going to

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be seeing that for years, for years. The criminal justice

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quote reforms abject failure. They are an abject failure, and

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we are seeing the ramifications of those policies today. The

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policies that were implemented five six years ago, we're seeing

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them now because people who end up in the you know,

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catch and release, turnstile court system, when they first embark

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upon a career of criminality, it takes them a while

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to escalate to the most violent types of crimes. So

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that's why you keep seeing people with these rap sheets

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that have like fifty sixty arrests. It's because they kept

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getting released under reform, under suicidal empathy, right, Oh, they

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just they're they're robbing all of these people and stealing

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all these cars and shooting into town homes and such

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because of poverty. No, they're they're anti social sociopaths. There

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is a there is a social compact between citizens and

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a government and the compact is that I will I

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will uh sacrifice or surrender some of my liberty to

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you gov co the government agencies. I will trade that

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liberty for some security so I don't have to worry

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about maintaining security for myself and family at all times.

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And I don't have to worry about going out and

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exacting revenge or retribution against somebody who who does something

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wrong to me or my family. We have a court

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system that will take revenge, that will meet out the

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justice not me. They'll investigate, they'll incarcerate, right, they will

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do that. And that's what I give up in exchange

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for that agreement, that social compact. But if you, the government,

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are not fulfilling your end of that bargain, then I

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have no reason anymore to participate in this contract.

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Speaker 1: Why would I?

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Speaker 2: Right, This is what Charlotte is risking right now and

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has been risking for a while through their attempts at

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nullifying federal laws. They don't like, Oh, we're not going

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to cooperate with any immigration stuff. So you don't know

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who's in the county, you don't know who's in the city.

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How you end up with this guy on the light

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rail line multiple run ins with security deported twice rap

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sheet in three different states. But nobody, nobody cares enough

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to protect the law abiding citizens that are giving up

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a little bit of their liberty for that security. You're

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not fulfilling You're end of the bargain. Local government, you're

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not doing what you need to be doing for the

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contract to remain.

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Speaker 1: Valid.

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Speaker 2: And nobody talks like this at the city level. Nobody

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is saying this stuff. This is fundamental civilizational stuff. Here's

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A text from Buddy says, I remember commuting to downtown

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every day. That's uptown Charlotte, Buddy a Downtown every day

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on the light rail when it first started. CMPD was

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on there every morning checking my ticket while I was

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wearing a suit. That was back when they still had

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cloth seats until the homeless started staining them and they

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changed them out for the medical grade plastic seats. That

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must be where all the money for CMPD security went.

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Do you ever wonder why the benches in uptown have

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the bar right in the center of them. It's the

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same reason. It's to make it uncomfortable to sleep on.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: I mean that which is incentivized, you will get more of.

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It's just very simple. Whether it's you know, trying to

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address the homeless situation, trying to address crime, right, not

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collecting fares right, if you are, if you are not punishing,

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or even worse, you are incentivizing certain behaviors. You're going

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to see more of those behaviors because you are incentivizing

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them and there's no repercussions for people who violate whatever

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rules you're trying to enforce or not in forcing. This

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is seven oh four number. That is exactly why my

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husband was fired. The thug had more rights than my husband,

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who has never been in any trouble in his life.

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Speaker 1: He had choked.

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Speaker 2: Marks, scratches and scrapes and bruises on him. Oh sorry,

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there was another text before that. My sixty five year

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old husband was fired from his job after standing up

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for a handicapped employee slash coworker who was being harassed

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by a thug who ran a stop sign and almost

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crashed into his vehicle. My husband simply pointed out that

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the thug ran a stop sign. He didn't call him

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a thug or any names, but he was a thug

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because he jumped my husband, tried to choke him and

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then threw him down on the blacktop and sped off.

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Five sheriffs showed up, a report was written. They said

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my husband could press charges for assault, but they never

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caught him. A week later, my husband was fired. He

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tried to free himself but never fought back. The thug

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uh was a black eye in his forties. My husband's

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sixty five year old white guy. I don't think race

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should be a factor, but it obviously was because corporate

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fired him.

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Speaker 1: They didn't like the optics. I don't. I mean, I

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don't know if you know that.

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Speaker 2: But his managers and co workers were so upset they

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loved him. It took six months for him to find

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another job. But look, companies do this stuff all the time.

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We've heard stories repeatedly for years about pizza delivery guys

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right conceal caring and they get jumped, they get mugged,

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somebody's trying to rob them, somebody's you know, trying to

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kill them or something. They pull out the gun, they

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shoot the attacker, and then corporate fires them because you're

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not allowed to carry conceal when you're on the clock. Right, Well,

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you're alive. You may have been fired, but you're alive.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is like, this is what we now have been

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reduced to, this idea that if you protect yourself or

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somebody else, you're going to get a bunch of poop

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from your employer, from social media whatever. You could even

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be charged, Pops says cats commuting around town scared, I

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got you for the campaign. So from the cat's memo,

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their Q and A responses, questions and responses, Why did

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the suspect receive transit exclusion?

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Speaker 1: So? Why did this guy Solarzano? Why was he banned?

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Speaker 2: He was under an active transit exclusion at the time

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of the December fifth incident. He got a one year

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ban on October eighth for a weapon violation, then a

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six month ban the following day for public intoxication. Due

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to a data entry error that occurred during Kat's training

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on the evening of October eighth, officers responding on the

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ninth did not have visibility into the prior day's ban.

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Had that information been available, mister Solarzano would have received

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an indefinite ban on October ninth. Both PSS, which is

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the private security firm, and CMPD responded promptly to both

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October events, so CMPD was there. CMPD was there for

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both of these events, both of these incidents in October,

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but because they're never allowed to check on immigration status,

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they could not determine that this guy was already convicted

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of a felony re entry charge for coming into the

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country after he was deported for coming into the country illegally. See,

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these are the downstream impacts of policy decisions made by

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elected leaders, and until those leaders start changing those policies,

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and by the way, I don't think they will. I

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see no indication that they're going to change course on

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this stuff. But until that changes or they change, expect

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to see more of this. All right, that'll do it

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for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I

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could not do the show without your support and the

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.