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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a light man like this man notting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>his wing big down in a force.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Man, nobody's seen nobody else. You don't need no man

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<v Speaker 1>like you followed another story and you got back in

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<v Speaker 1>fact that man's man. Man don't black and name on

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<v Speaker 1>the panel. Man, Man, you don't no matter man.

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<v Speaker 2>Noway, And that's what I told him. Korea is the

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<v Speaker 2>pole of di Asia anyway, Dives, You're great to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I love that. I yoink That's all I say

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm taking bit.

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<v Speaker 2>My new favorite bit is referencing funny things the audience

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<v Speaker 2>has no reference, like, has no ability to comprehend. Going

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<v Speaker 2>back to our earlier comments about leaving them just confused

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<v Speaker 2>and anger. It's it's horrible podcasting, but I find it

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<v Speaker 2>very entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my whole show. Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, t'ms in a desperate attempt to keep this on

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<v Speaker 2>track because the last episode was supposed to be this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it ended up being about something different.

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<v Speaker 1>We just got going. They Jay cast a spell on me.

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<v Speaker 2>You get going, and uh yeah, it happens to the

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<v Speaker 2>best of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I blacked out. I went into a few stay and

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<v Speaker 1>turns out we just got some hot, hot takes out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But then you know, you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>clock and it's too late, and I just such a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. And Jay was so gracious to offer a

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<v Speaker 1>second appearance. And of course he's trying to sabotage me.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he's loving setting this trap where it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be too much. Everyone's loving the first one. Then

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<v Speaker 1>then they see of Heaping helping me again, They're like, enough,

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<v Speaker 1>enough of this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I work off the same logic that drug dealers in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties PSAs do right, where it's like the first

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<v Speaker 2>one's free, and then that's how I get you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and astute listener might notice, wait, aren't they

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<v Speaker 2>all free? And I was listening anyway, so how does

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<v Speaker 2>this get you? And I would say, you are thinking

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<v Speaker 2>too much about this. Let me cook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like a drug dealer in the nineteen forties

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<v Speaker 1>where I just give away drugs for free because no

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<v Speaker 1>one really understands economics yet. What is this is this

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<v Speaker 1>money is a fucking product. I don't know just this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not work. This business is horrible. You've given

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<v Speaker 2>away all our product. We spent millions to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I found this crazy covered in Chinese letters, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>just distribute it. And that's how the CIA was started.

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<v Speaker 2>It just works like wind 'ar where it's like please, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>please remember this is not a free service. Please dip

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<v Speaker 2>your dope. Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny. That's so funny. Like the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like a nerdy crack dealer. It's like, Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet eventually they're gonna feel so much shame at

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<v Speaker 1>me bothering them. They're gonna, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a very libertarian way of thinking like that,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually they're gonna give us a ton of money because

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<v Speaker 1>they'll think, how many years I've been using wind rar

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm gonna send you twenty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two ways to take this. One which is

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<v Speaker 2>the like the sort of like you know, like mid

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand sketch comedy show where the joke is, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a it's a nerd, but he's a

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<v Speaker 2>crack dealer and he dresses like he's super hard but

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. That therein lies the joke in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>the true funny dynamic is imagining someone trying to socially

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<v Speaker 2>shamed crack addicts into giving them money. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>very funny gun sund Here's.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that just occurred to me. Facebook lays off.

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<v Speaker 1>You know one hundred thousand people recently. Daily Wire just

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<v Speaker 1>laid off, you know a third of its staff. Has

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<v Speaker 1>win Rar ever had any layoffs? Have you ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>of anyone getting fired from wind Ar? After all this time?

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually a very good point. How many people

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<v Speaker 2>work here? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the most stable investment. If I can

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<v Speaker 1>go long on win Raar, I'm doing it. I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>this because I don't know what I'm talking about. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to invest, but sounds safe to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll last Stormy Waters what he thinks of.

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<v Speaker 2>This, Yes, uh, somewhat related. There are a series of

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<v Speaker 2>companies that exist on kind of both ends of how

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<v Speaker 2>many people work there. They're just baffling, Like Wikipedia has

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<v Speaker 2>way way more employees than you'd think, and Craigslist right

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of you know, default way to buy things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's probably like ten people working there, which

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<v Speaker 2>kind of makes but like I don't know, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>there should be more of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for an organization like that, And then you hear

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<v Speaker 1>that Caleb Hammer has like thirty five people working for

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<v Speaker 1>his show, for his company. I just these numbers don't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to me anymore. I don't know who's doing what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Wikipedia has fourteen hundred employees, which is just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy, Like, isn't the whole point that they use volunteers?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what do they do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well this You know, if you were to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me that Wikipedia was a giant money laundering scheme, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>believe you. That's just been a financial black box for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. It's always they're always lying about needing money.

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<v Speaker 1>People have peaked behind the curtain and seen how much

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<v Speaker 1>not revenue, but they have an idea of how much

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<v Speaker 1>what their holdings are. But every three months they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a begging dry for money. They never need it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something else. It's just some rotten in Wikipedia. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think anyone hairs to look anymore. They just accepted

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the background of the Internet. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>if it disappeared nothing, it wouldn't matter. If Wikipedia was gone,

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<v Speaker 1>no one would give a shit. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just they kind of like they like it being there.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to give something for these You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to use any bad words in your show.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get you in trouble. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>gender confused people. You got to get them something to

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<v Speaker 1>do all day. But that puts all the autists set

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<v Speaker 1>of work. So I don't know, there's no easy answer.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to talk about Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how many? How many minutes are in six minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>Al right?

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<v Speaker 1>This is good. This is what's a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Six minutes, A bit that no one else understands.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a good host. This is how you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're hosting at a level that is rarely seen.

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<v Speaker 2>See, people always made fun I had a reference Tuck

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<v Speaker 2>her for the second time in this conversation, but people

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<v Speaker 2>made fun of you know, Tucker for you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>way that he handled the Vladimir Putin interview. But think

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<v Speaker 2>about how much cooler it would have been if he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, vlad, how many people work at Wikipedia? Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of content we really need from world leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>Like your your opinion on a hit on history, philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>at the arts irrelevant? I want kind of like ballroom

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<v Speaker 2>trivia and crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Facts imagine the Tucker just interrupting him at an odd time,

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<v Speaker 1>like after minute seven, mister Putin, do you like pussy?

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently he does. Isn't he rumored to have a like

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<v Speaker 2>a ballerina daughter or something? Yeah, I mean he's at

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<v Speaker 2>least tried it once. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know where you're going with that. I'm like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he tried it once. He tried it, which

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's all you need.

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<v Speaker 2>Really results indeterminate, He's okay, you know, I take it

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<v Speaker 2>to leave it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to believe that Putin is having a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sex. But then I think, do what is Is

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<v Speaker 1>it better if it's zero or a ton? You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? I realize that I'm doing everything I

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<v Speaker 1>can and not talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well do you do you remember? I can't remember. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who did this. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like big progressive accounts. Uh. This was like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the classic millennial coded reactions to Biden winning

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<v Speaker 2>the presidency where I was like, Wow, this is such

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<v Speaker 2>a great day. I hope that that Joe and Jill

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<v Speaker 2>go home and have that the dirtiest, raunchiest sex imaginable.

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<v Speaker 2>And she went into much greater detail than I will.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, uh it's a it's humor, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that they're in imagining such a thing. But also uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, I know that's okay. You know, I'm that

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<v Speaker 2>man is too old to eat solid food.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up, because I too had

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that during the Biden years, liberals had never been

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<v Speaker 1>more sexually wretched. I saw them saying just have horned

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<v Speaker 1>things about Tim Wallace's penis, speculating on it like everyone was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was horny in a way that I've never seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Very performative, but very you know, like like a centemite

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<v Speaker 1>would it was. It was divorce and pleasure even.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the weird thing, right that, like the

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<v Speaker 2>more performatively horny someone is, you know, the less they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually getting down to it, because you know, you look

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<v Speaker 2>back at you know, the Victorians right famously brutish people,

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<v Speaker 2>but they popped out kids like they were doing something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And then now it's like, oh, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's I think it's what fifty percent of men

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<v Speaker 2>under thirty haven't had sex in a year, And you're like, well, clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>this performative horniness isn't going anywhere. It's just performative horniness

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<v Speaker 2>for horniness' sake.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the performative horniness is sort of the last dying

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<v Speaker 1>gasp with sexuality. It's proclaiming to the world that I

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<v Speaker 1>am a sexual being because you're you're not confident at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, the other extension of that is

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<v Speaker 1>getting very strange about sex. So other people have pointed

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<v Speaker 1>this out. Wiser people who pointed this out how I

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<v Speaker 1>think this it's more evident with young people like gen Z,

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<v Speaker 1>but you see it's millennials too, and maybe they pioneered

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<v Speaker 1>it with Reddit and whatnot. But you know, seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>hot woman, what am I saying? A hot woman? Fuck

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<v Speaker 1>me right? But you know they're like, oh, she's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to crush my head in her thighs. So

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<v Speaker 1>getting violent. The only way you're allowed to approach horniness

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<v Speaker 1>is if you're being dominated, and not just dominated but

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<v Speaker 1>dominated violently, and that that's I don't remember that when

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<v Speaker 1>I was younger. That's relatively new. I'm like that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not even sexy. You're just kind of you're doing this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ghost dance, just screaming to the world I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual being. Look at look at this twisted stuff

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<v Speaker 1>I think of. But you know, as someone who has

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<v Speaker 1>had sex, I'm like, I smell of void inside of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's sort of like it kind of smacks of

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, I my girlfriend goes to another school,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't know her. She lets me touch her boobs

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. We're like, do you know what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about here? You know, like it feels as if

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<v Speaker 2>like this is entirely hypothetical. You know that this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that you experience only as this kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>performative online thing. And there's this term I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>I stole it from, but safe horning, right, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like you're allowed to You're allowed to talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unless you're putting the woman in control. If what

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<v Speaker 2>To quote modern day philosopher Shane Gillets, you're getting clothes

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<v Speaker 1>We had a good thing going with just the dumb

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, just right right right from the rip. Yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>For their own safety. I will not be counting countenance.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not be hearing put it in words that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So Jay, I when done did a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Them Over the Public, and I sent it over to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've got time to watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you didn't, say nothing, and I'll just talk anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But we put quite a bit of time and energy

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<v Speaker 1>and speak about with you because it's really it's centered

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<v Speaker 1>on Canada. It's you know, within the Canadian context, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's applicable to American audiences and also European audiences.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have so many American friends. It's such a

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<v Speaker 1>it's titled how to make a Canadian People. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>to summarize it very very succinctly, and we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the themes we discussed in it, but

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<v Speaker 1>first century, and that alone would require some unpacking, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to start. Released a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>same crew as the first one, and I'm very, very

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<v Speaker 1>proud of it. I'd say the first one. The first

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<v Speaker 1>one set the stage by discussing the history of mass

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<v Speaker 1>migration in Canada and getting into the history of what

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<v Speaker 1>led us to that, and specifically looking at public opinion

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<v Speaker 1>polls from the nineteen forties up through the twinth century, showing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, census data and public opinion polls about what

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<v Speaker 1>people actually thought about immigration contrary to what you're told.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel as if you're told this in America

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<v Speaker 1>as well, that well, we voted for it, your ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>or family voted for this life that you have right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and you realize that If you take a historical view,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of your audience likely have done this, you

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<v Speaker 1>understand that they were very vocal that they were not promegration,

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<v Speaker 1>but it happened anyway. There was a bureaucratic subversion that occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>And because it's Canada and there just fewer people here,

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<v Speaker 1>I found that the conspiracy was in sharper relief because

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<v Speaker 1>we can trace this to a few specific prime ministers,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's across decades. It's a bipart it's

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. You can't really blame it on the liberals

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<v Speaker 1>or the conservatives. Those would be the Democrats or Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in America. It cuts across all the politics. The what

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<v Speaker 1>led us to hear what led us to really opening

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<v Speaker 1>the doors to you know, it didn't it's as bad

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<v Speaker 1>now as it's ever been. But it really started around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time as it started in the US in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties. That was a big pivot point where

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<v Speaker 1>you started seeing these laws being passed, in fact against

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<v Speaker 1>the proclamations of the prime minister. The entire time, you

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<v Speaker 1>had these political leaders saying we're not going to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Mass migration sounds stupid. Why would we want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that and then behind closed doors they're doing it anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't need to discuss that entire documentary, but

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<v Speaker 1>that set the stage for this one because we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask the question, you know, what is a Canadian?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in America you have a different self awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>a different way, different sort of history, and a different

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<v Speaker 1>self conceptualization. And you know, Canada and America are actually

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<v Speaker 1>quite similar. They're at odds now in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, it's it's not like Canada versus fucking China.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Canada versus Nigeria, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like some people act like we're separate continents and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really have much patience for that. There are differences, Okay, fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm curious to get your thoughts on this because

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, there has been a deliberate desire to

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<v Speaker 2>paint Canada as sort of the the better America, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like more American than America. And so you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>presented to us as what we could and what we

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<v Speaker 2>ought to be by progressives, and the conception is basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys have taken our values and done

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<v Speaker 2>them even harder. It's what we could be without evil

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<v Speaker 2>racist chuds, if we could just get rid of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also stricken struck, I cannot speak. Tonight dives deeply.

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<v Speaker 1>Into I haven't noticed. I think it's like shift through

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<v Speaker 2>I've also noticed, and I'm curious this is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, how much your politicians exist in relation

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<v Speaker 2>to ours? And look, I get it, America is the

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<v Speaker 2>world empire. That's going to happen everywhere. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, there's a by my account, there's there's three

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<v Speaker 1>the first one was what was the first one is

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<v Speaker 1>about do we seem like perfected America? The second one

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure what sequence to answer those in.

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<v Speaker 2>Canada ends with sort of perfected America, Canada as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>America without the evil chuds, and then you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Canada existing only in relation to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So what's interesting is that there's Canada as

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<v Speaker 1>bet the opinion of Canada and Texas is different than

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<v Speaker 1>in California, obviously, but I'm sure it's it's viewed from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside, and liberals would see Canada as a certain way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Canada's idea of itself is in it's always been

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<v Speaker 1>oppositional to America, and that's among liberals and conservatives, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is a historical argument for that, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this on our show. We've covered a great many

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian books recently, and I wrote this Vanguardist Journal article

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<v Speaker 1>my substack about the history of anti Americanism in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>because a great many Canadians view themselves as apart from

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<v Speaker 1>America and as more enlightened, you know. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up. This was the sentiment up

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<v Speaker 1>here that Canada was more you know, they'll say liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a thing. There's been a good amount of

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<v Speaker 1>work put in by other content creators in our space

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<v Speaker 1>argument you made that Canada is less liberal than America

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<v Speaker 1>and depends how how you define liberalism. But it has

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<v Speaker 1>always been less about individual liberty. It's been about personal freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>But they would look upon Canada and say, look, they

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<v Speaker 1>are the actualizations of American values, and I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you get down to the root of it, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so they would just look at Canada and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look how clean and nice they are. But Canadians are

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<v Speaker 1>again it's not so different than in America. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>comparing different races of people here, frankly, but Canada, since

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<v Speaker 1>I was, always had to define itself against America in

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<v Speaker 1>just smarter than those boorish Americans, which I never agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to with because you'll say that one time. But everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>got like twenty thousand Americans that they like, yeah, Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are stupid, except Steve Jobs, like shut the fuck up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, and I was saying that when I

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we're doing but it's something that people cl to,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's a there's a historical argument for that

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<v Speaker 1>as well. With American interventionalism. There's actually quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of military history between America and Canada or British North America,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, between American and Britain at the time as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's I won't get into the nuts and bolts of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but so the next one from that was we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the political class. How much our politicians take their

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<v Speaker 1>cues from American politicians. I would say very heavily. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues is that American Canadian media is dominated

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<v Speaker 1>by American media, just due to the in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that the whole world is because American media is so dominant.

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<v Speaker 1>We live right next door, so obviously we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>so much media from America. Despite that, Canada actually has

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<v Speaker 1>a surprisingly active music and movie and television scene given

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<v Speaker 1>its population size. But put that to the side, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say that most Canadian politicians would be take would be

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<v Speaker 1>having to respond to arguments made by America. You saw

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, even during Trump's first term, if you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a joke that during his first election it

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<v Speaker 1>watching Trump versus Hillary. No one was watching our election,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's just one of those uncomfortable things that people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they complained about it, but the revealed preference

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<v Speaker 1>shows something else. Canadian politics isn't as interesting. And by

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to see someone like Trump emerge. The conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot more restrained and muted, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what they're advocating for. The liberals, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by American standards. Here's a funny thing. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons I never took the annexation talk from Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump seriously is because I don't think Donald Trump's an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of Donald Trump for various reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>but on this one issue, I tend to think that

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<v Speaker 1>he's at least thought it all the way through, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he understands that Canada's population over forty millions

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. It's this population of Canada is comparable

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<v Speaker 1>to that of California, and if America were too annex

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<v Speaker 1>or absorb Canada, it would be like getting a second California.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think that does to American politics? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that fucks the Republicans forever? Right? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that that changes the state of play significantly? So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like he wouldn't it wouldn't be in his interest

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<v Speaker 1>or the Republicans' interests to even do that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think they were going to do it. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>something to keep in mind that if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be of our political persuasion. You know, I'm not making

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<v Speaker 1>any assumptions about your specific policies, but you know, for

435
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<v Speaker 1>people like us, I find there's fewer of us in Canada.

436
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<v Speaker 1>The terrain is more hostile towards us. That's changing, I think,

437
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<v Speaker 1>But I mean there's a lot of shit libs up here.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Remember that Justin Trudeau was voted in pretty unanimously a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times after after people saw how stupid and

440
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<v Speaker 1>inept he was. You see what I'm saying, Like, there's

441
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<v Speaker 1>like Mark Karney wanted a fucking landslide right now. And

442
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Karney is not your friend. But anyway, we don't

443
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<v Speaker 1>need to get too much in that. But I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's not a sort of conservative base comparable

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<v Speaker 1>to America. So you're dealing with a lot. By American definitions,

446
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<v Speaker 1>you would say that Canada is overall more progressive, I think,

447
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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of rednecks, there's a lot of guns,

448
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<v Speaker 1>there's all that stuff. But I don't think you're ever

449
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<v Speaker 1>going to see a prime minister, at least in my lifetime,

450
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<v Speaker 1>really take a crack at universal healthcare or any any

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental issues. Do that answer any of your

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<v Speaker 1>questions at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent. As I flashed my face on camera.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what you look like, Jay, You're a peach. Yeah.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sitting here in my boxers.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Well, no one knows that.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I'm standing desk, I'm wearing suit correctly.

458
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you. I dress for the occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>I dress over the Jay Burden show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, I appreciate that. In fact, I demand that.

461
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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing a tuxedo bottom.

462
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<v Speaker 2>That might be the most threatening hingle actually, which is worse.

463
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<v Speaker 2>If you round a corner in the NCD part of

464
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<v Speaker 2>town and you have a choice of seeing a guy

465
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<v Speaker 2>sprinting towards you wearing only tuxedo top or tuxedo bottom,

466
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<v Speaker 2>which would you pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuxedo bottom? Because if I'm talking about my safety, I

468
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<v Speaker 1>know that. Okay, this man's involved in a plot. This

469
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<v Speaker 1>man is involved. He's the main character of whatever's happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now. My job is to get out of the

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<v Speaker 1>way and get out of the way of whoever's chasing him.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an Indiana Jones moment. I'm excited. I'm not,

473
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<v Speaker 1>you know, I not only would I rather see that,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I see that tomorrow. All right, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember talking about this documentary.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, because because this all ties into it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we talked about in the documentary is the

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<v Speaker 1>outline of power politics in Canada, and it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like elite theory. I know there's a lot of guests

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<v Speaker 1>you've had on they talk about that, like where are

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<v Speaker 1>the power blocks in Canada? Who are the elite families?

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<v Speaker 1>And then where they clustered in the Western elites, the

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<v Speaker 1>Laurentian eleads, the Quebecua elites. Hold on, I'm just gonna sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna a strange call there. Yeah, so where

485
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<v Speaker 1>the civilizational power blocks are in Canada and then we

486
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<v Speaker 1>build upon that, and so this is all relevant as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we're talking about Canada. But as I'm discussing this,

488
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<v Speaker 1>it's not so different than America, and it's really not

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<v Speaker 1>so different from Europe because a lot of these we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with a lot of the same phenomena. We're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of the same you know. The one

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<v Speaker 1>thing about what led Canada down this path a mass migration.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to get too much in that

494
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<v Speaker 1>sort of clouse Schwab Agenda twenty thirty stuff, but even

495
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<v Speaker 1>going back to the sixties, there was this idea that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, globalism is happening, globalism is the future. Who

497
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<v Speaker 1>is jumping on that trade and Canada jumped on very enthusiastically.

498
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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the reasons that they're pursuing mass migration,

499
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<v Speaker 1>just because they thought this, if we want to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of international trade, if we want to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the side of this new paradigm, this is

502
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<v Speaker 1>what we need to do and not only should we

503
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<v Speaker 1>go along with this, We should be the vanguards of it.

504
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<v Speaker 1>We should be front and center. In Canada, for so

505
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<v Speaker 1>long has taken at least his political class taking great

506
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<v Speaker 1>pride and being very involved in you know, un strategies,

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<v Speaker 1>un groups topping the list of the most progressive, the

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<v Speaker 1>most multicultural, the most open. That something is pride itself on.

509
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<v Speaker 1>But that's because it feels it needs to, because that's

510
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<v Speaker 1>the status quo. And they're not necessarily wrong. You're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing in Australia, You're seeing the same thing

512
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<v Speaker 1>in fucking New Zealand. All across the Anglo sphere it's

513
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<v Speaker 1>the same story. And I bet you if you're to

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<v Speaker 1>look into it, you know, elite groups would be different,

515
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<v Speaker 1>different sizes. And you know, America is almost an edge

516
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<v Speaker 1>case because its internal politics are so dynamic and its

517
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<v Speaker 1>influence is so wide reaching. It has, you know, so

518
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<v Speaker 1>many different contained political battles going on right now. But

519
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<v Speaker 1>I would say for everyone else, all across Europe, it's

520
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<v Speaker 1>the same story, more or less and very similar. I

521
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<v Speaker 1>would hate to call it populist, but nationalist pushback in

522
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<v Speaker 1>various forms, and that's kind of what we were taking here. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>take if we're taking a nationalist approach, but what is

524
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<v Speaker 1>Canadian nationalism? It's different than American in national nationalism, New

525
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Zealand nationalism. Like if you look at the red ensign flag,

526
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<v Speaker 1>which was the original flag of Canada before the maple

527
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>leaf flag everyone's familiar with, there's a little shield on there,

528
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<v Speaker 1>and that shield contains the founding ethnicities of Canada. You

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<v Speaker 1>got the French, got the English, you got the Irish,

530
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know there's like four main ones. So from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning there's this idea and when people think of

532
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<v Speaker 1>Canada and thing French and English, there's a demarcation there

533
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<v Speaker 1>and you can never really reconcile those two. That there's

534
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tension up here between the French and

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<v Speaker 1>the English. I think it's unfortunate. I would like to

536
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<v Speaker 1>move past that. But you know, I talked to Quebec

537
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<v Speaker 1>nationalists all the time and it ain't fucking easy. It's

538
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<v Speaker 1>hard to get a hold of them. When they do

539
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, you know, if you want to reconcile this,

540
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you really the English have to change everything that they do.

541
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<v Speaker 1>It's like okay, fuck.

542
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<v Speaker 2>Well you should just counter with a reasonable you know,

543
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<v Speaker 2>reasonable position, like you should take a shower.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a I'm trying to even move path the stereotypes.

545
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<v Speaker 1>I love Montreal, I love Quebec City, I love poutine.

546
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<v Speaker 1>I actually think I don't care that they do poutine

547
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<v Speaker 1>better in Ontario. I'm not even I'm not even gonna

548
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<v Speaker 1>sweat them on that. I just undid months of good

549
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<v Speaker 1>work with that comment. But there's this idea in Canada

550
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<v Speaker 1>that at best, and I made this claim before that Canada,

551
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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the structure of Canada, it's more

552
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<v Speaker 1>like an empire. And empire doesn't just mean you're globally dominant,

553
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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's sort of this structure that contains nations

554
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<v Speaker 1>within it. That's the form that most empires take, especially

555
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<v Speaker 1>as they expand, they open up new frontiers and then

556
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<v Speaker 1>absorb new areas and the periphery. Then the periphery ends

557
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<v Speaker 1>up filtering towards US. And so pretty much every empire

558
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<v Speaker 1>throughout history has ended up multicultural, which isn't to say

559
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<v Speaker 1>every civilization does, but most. I can't think of an

560
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<v Speaker 1>empire that hasn't. So interestingly, Canada kind of functions like

561
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<v Speaker 1>an empire, has all these contained ethnic groups that it's

562
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<v Speaker 1>trying to reconcile constantly. It's been constantly trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what to do with these groups that and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not demanding really that they assimilate. We don't have a

565
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<v Speaker 1>melting pot ideology up here. In fact, America never really

566
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<v Speaker 1>had a melting pot. That was a bit of subversive

567
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 1>fiction that was foisted upon you. But there's this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that what is a Canadian is a Canadian one of

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<v Speaker 1>these four founding stocks. That's most nationalists would believe. But

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<v Speaker 1>it may really made me wonder that if we had

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<v Speaker 1>to make a Canadian, what would a Canadian? Because there's

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics that you would assume Canadians have, but they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be of the angle variety. But there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of internal conflict in America in Canada rather right now,

575
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<v Speaker 1>especially if you've heard about the Alberta separation movement. Alberta

576
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 1>wants to separate. Part of that's driven by Trump's annexation doc,

577
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<v Speaker 1>but not all of it. They've been unhappy for a

578
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<v Speaker 1>long time. I'm hearing the same thing from British Columbia.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Quebec has been talking about separating since I was a teenager.

580
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<v Speaker 1>Manitoba is talking about it right now. So there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>this I claim that we've made that the promise of confederation.

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<v Speaker 1>What made Canada? Well, what made Canadian confederation? That was

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<v Speaker 1>the movement to unite Canada from east to west. Was

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<v Speaker 1>to create this united land mass and connect it with

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<v Speaker 1>one giant rail line to facilitate trade east and west.

586
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<v Speaker 1>So we did not all become dependent on American trade

587
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<v Speaker 1>and business. That ended up happening anyway, But the entire

588
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>reason we had this confederation movement was to mutually benefit

589
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 1>every province financially. And I hate to say it, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a strong argument to be made that we have not

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<v Speaker 1>been keeping up that promise. In fact, the government situated

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<v Speaker 1>in Ontario has been you know, handicapping Alberta for quite

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<v Speaker 1>some time. So that's all to say that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of problems up here that people don't feel united politically.

595
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<v Speaker 1>They certainly don't feel united ethnically. And so what is

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<v Speaker 1>Canada because we can we even call ourselves a nation

597
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<v Speaker 1>And we get into this in the film how do

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<v Speaker 1>you define a nation? Again? This is something many other

599
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<v Speaker 1>larger creators have talked about. We cite many books in

600
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<v Speaker 1>this as well. But you know, the idea of nationalism

601
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<v Speaker 1>or a nation of people goes back to the Middle

602
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<v Speaker 1>Ages even but nationalism as a modern movement you can

603
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<v Speaker 1>trace to around the nineteenth century. But the idea is,

604
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<v Speaker 1>you know, a nation needs to be a coherent people

605
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<v Speaker 1>and then you can grow into a larger sort of orientation.

606
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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you're not a coherent people, and

607
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<v Speaker 1>even within Canada are there is ore Ontarians akherent people

608
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<v Speaker 1>the Quebecua, I believe are, but are Albertans. What does

609
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<v Speaker 1>Alberta standing alone in the world stage look like? So anyway,

610
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<v Speaker 1>these are the questions that we're asking about. Okay, what

611
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<v Speaker 1>who are these people? What is a Canadian? And can

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<v Speaker 1>you create a new ethnicity in the twenty first century?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that look like? It is possible to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have nations on the smaller scale, We have

615
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 1>nations all through Canada and the forms of Aboriginal tribal bands,

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<v Speaker 1>your American Indians you might have. They they are nations

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<v Speaker 1>unto themselves legally up here and they would have a

618
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>self awareness of themselves that is profoundly you know, nationalistic.

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<v Speaker 1>And we give other sources, examples and sources in the

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<v Speaker 1>film looking at Oriana and looking at these these emergent

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<v Speaker 1>peoples all throughout you know, Africa and elsewhere, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's not a question of size. It's actually

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<v Speaker 1>more of a question of will. And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to, it's less about uniting the entirety of Canada,

625
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<v Speaker 1>which might be a fool's errand and more about you

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<v Speaker 1>understand that there's there's something to being a Canadian, Okay,

627
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<v Speaker 1>can you and a group of communities or families actually

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<v Speaker 1>start something of an ethnogenesis in the twenty first century

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada And that really became the through line of

630
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<v Speaker 1>the entire piece. And it's a it's a pretty daring

631
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>case to be made, and we do it well. But

632
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<v Speaker 1>I gave you a lot of stuff just there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are a couple things there. So you mentioned

634
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<v Speaker 2>earlier the different kind of power blocks within Canada, and

635
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<v Speaker 2>as far as I understand, or as far as I've

636
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>had it explained to me, what these state level independence

637
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<v Speaker 2>movements are basically a conflict between the Laurentsian elite and

638
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<v Speaker 2>the kind of like local power block which sort of

639
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>draws its power from resource extraction, right, oil, gas, things

640
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.360
<v Speaker 2>like that, And so essentially, as far as I understand

641
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<v Speaker 2>it those two groups are in conflict. That conflict is

642
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<v Speaker 2>waged in terms of environmental policy on one hand and

643
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.079
<v Speaker 2>actually making money on the other. And so is that

644
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<v Speaker 2>the kind of fault line? Is there a broader culture issue?

645
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<v Speaker 2>How would you rate that analysis? And then also why

646
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<v Speaker 2>would should we say Canada proper right the kind of

647
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<v Speaker 2>current legitimate structure, why would they let that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, to answer your question, there's a four main

649
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<v Speaker 1>plow power blocks. I would say elite par blocks. So

650
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<v Speaker 1>the Laurentians would be the biggest ones, and they're situated

651
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<v Speaker 1>in Ontario. And so Ontario is where the nation's capital is,

652
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<v Speaker 1>but it's also the financial center of Canada, and I

653
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<v Speaker 1>would place that in Toronto. So i'd say the biggest

654
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<v Speaker 1>city in Canada is also in Ontario. That would be Toronto.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's Vancouver, of course, there's Calgary, There's some

656
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<v Speaker 1>other big cities. Montreal, of course, Montreal's amazing city. But

657
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<v Speaker 1>Toronto represents the financial and business center of the nation

658
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<v Speaker 1>as far as I see it. And then you also

659
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>have the nation's capital. So the elite, the government elite,

660
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and the business elite are clustered pretty closely. Together and

661
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<v Speaker 1>that will constitute the Laurentian center power. Then you have

662
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<v Speaker 1>the Western Block and that's that's a lot of Alberta,

663
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<v Speaker 1>and that's a lot of these oil companies and they

664
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>would have gotten like they'll lorentially can trace their power

665
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<v Speaker 1>back to the founding of Canada. They're one of the

666
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<v Speaker 1>oldest ones, I say, the Western elites. They're more not

667
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<v Speaker 1>new oil based, but their power comes from oil and

668
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the Alberta oil sands. And you know they've you've got

669
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<v Speaker 1>the government getting in their way of extracting the oil

670
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 1>legally and through policy and whatnot. And that without getting

671
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<v Speaker 1>too much into the minutia oft Canadian politics, this is

672
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<v Speaker 1>why I say Alberta has a point to why the

673
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<v Speaker 1>center of power in the country's getting in their way.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have the Quebec elites and they get a

675
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<v Speaker 1>lot of their Honestly, they get a lot of their

676
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>money from government subsidies. In Canada, we have what are

677
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<v Speaker 1>known and as have and have not provinces and we

678
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<v Speaker 1>make equalization payments, so provinces that have a lot of

679
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>money just give money to other provinces. And the number

680
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<v Speaker 1>one recipient of this has been Quebec. For like decades,

681
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<v Speaker 1>and the number one payer of this has been Alberta.

682
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Alberta in Ontario, but mostly Alberta. I think, so Alberta

683
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>at some point saying why are we giving billions of

684
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<v Speaker 1>dollars to Quebec And all Quebec does is complain about

685
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>us and contribute fucking nothing. I'm sorry, I love Quebec,

686
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 1>but you don't fucking do anything. They've got like telecom companies,

687
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 1>and they have this entrenched elite thing, but other than that,

688
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not. It's like they make circ to Sola and

689
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<v Speaker 1>that's it. And I don't know if anyone's going to

690
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Cerch to Solat like they did ten years ago. I

691
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 1>think they flew to the market. So then you know,

692
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<v Speaker 1>those are the main ones. And then you have these

693
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 1>elite families. These are they kind of fall in the

694
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<v Speaker 1>orbit of these centers of power. But you have you know,

695
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the Molson family and all these dynastic families. Again, they

696
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>can trace their lineage back many, many generations, but so

697
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 1>many of them fall into the orbit of if not

698
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Canadian power, then American power as well. Their business interests

699
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.199
<v Speaker 1>in line with America. So that's more or less the

700
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 1>outline here. Now your second question was why would they

701
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>allow this to happen. So, just to clarify, allow what

702
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<v Speaker 1>to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Allow some sort of separation or separatist movement, right, why

704
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>would they allow their natural resources to leave?

705
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<v Speaker 1>Oh? They never would, and that's why the way to

706
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 1>view the separation movement is more of a shakedown. And

707
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I say that with all due respect and love and

708
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 1>adoration because I love shakedowns. But Quebec has tried to

709
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>leave in my life twice. So the way you exit

710
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the country is you have a referendum and it gets

711
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<v Speaker 1>put up to a vote, So every province needs to

712
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>vote on whether or not you can leave. So every

713
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>province can just vote no, which is what they did

714
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to Quebec, which is why Quebec is still part of Canada.

715
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:35.079
<v Speaker 1>So practically they're not going to leave. They're just not right. Secondly,

716
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they really want to leave. I don't

717
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>think Alberta that stands apart from the rest of Canada.

718
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that puts them really in an advantageous position.

719
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<v Speaker 1>Actually don't think they've thought about that deeply. It's very popular,

720
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 1>it's more popular than it's ever been, and I understand

721
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 1>why I don't think they're going to separate. I don't

722
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>think the will is there in Alberta, and I don't

723
00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.559
<v Speaker 1>think the will is there outside of Alberta. But what

724
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just them causing a problem, taking their

725
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>grievance auto saying fuck you to Parliament, and they should.

726
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 1>But I just not long after that BC British Columbia

727
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>was they have their own separatist movement, why just to

728
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:23.280
<v Speaker 1>become part of China. So there's a lot of chatter

729
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>about this, but I don't detect that they're really serious

730
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>about it, although I do think it's valid. But the

731
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<v Speaker 1>same reason I don't think Trump is serious about annex

732
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 1>and Canada. If you really think about it, it wouldn't

733
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.679
<v Speaker 1>serve his interest. I don't think it would serve Alberta's interests.

734
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I just think they want the government to stop fucking

735
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>with them and they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Right fair enough, that makes sense. So when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the different sort of nations within Canada, right you

738
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<v Speaker 2>mentioned and the the to use your term, uh, the

739
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the Canadian Aboriginals uh or as I call them, uh,

740
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.280
<v Speaker 2>filthy red savages.

741
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 1>But because I don't know if I red, you know

742
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 1>what I mean?

743
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Dimes. You were naive enough to assume that that this

744
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 2>is uh based in any sort of observation or firsthand experience.

745
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>This is pure naked bagotry.

746
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but some are. I get where the

747
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.679
<v Speaker 1>red comes from, but I don't know if we got

748
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 1>that up here. I think it's colder.

749
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 2>So the uh, we we just.

750
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>We just we just we just showed up in Chinese

751
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 1>people were here. We had to think of a different

752
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 1>name to call them anyway, And.

753
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 2>For some reason you're like, you know what we need

754
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>even more Chinese.

755
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's two great things to go great together,

756
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Chinese and more Chinese.

757
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you sound like a It's sort of like a

758
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Japanese sergeant in like nineteen thirty four, Like I could

759
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>do with some more Chinese people, just.

760
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 1>A Japanese guy in America, I could do with a

761
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 1>few more Chinese.

762
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Like who's this unrelated?

763
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Then you see the fucking Kairo on the bottom Pearl

764
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Harbor nineteen forties. I don't know. I don't know when

765
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.639
<v Speaker 1>that shit happened.

766
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>If it did. Uh, But you mentioned that, right, You

767
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 2>mentioned the kind of small indigenous communities, But couldn't a

768
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.039
<v Speaker 2>skeptic look at that and say, well that that life

769
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 2>seems awful, right, like just you know, sitting on your

770
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>reservation drinking yourself to death. Do you give them casinos

771
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>up there or is that our innovation they do?

772
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it's at the scale of America.

773
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Like I know there's over here in a terrible got

774
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>like Mohawk territory, so there's like Mohawk casinos and stuff

775
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 1>in their reservation. I mean, honestly, you dry through a

776
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>reservation up here and it's all gas stations and we

777
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>dispensaries because they treat gas and weed as kind of

778
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.639
<v Speaker 1>the same things. So I guess that makes.

779
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Indian's own Indian gas stations.

780
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like that's the whole idea, is that since they're

781
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>there tribal bands or nations under themselves, they can chart.

782
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>They can just have different taxes or have no taxes

783
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>at different laws there.

784
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know exactly what guns you fell for

785
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a classic blunder, assuming I meant when I used that

786
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>word twice in the same sentence, amended in the same context,

787
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking have the have the dot types uh infiltrated

788
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<v Speaker 2>into feathery.

789
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<v Speaker 1>Ah, it's it's I get it now. You're trying to

790
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to get them a good side. So I

791
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<v Speaker 1>camplain about Indians here, I don't I don't know. I

792
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like I don't know. Here's what's interesting is

793
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 1>that I speak to nationalists all the time. Look, you

794
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 1>know i's talking about. This was Geo Pinochetti, who I'm

795
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>sure you're aware of, and he was like, there's got

796
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to be some relationship that can be broken between nationalists

797
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of our side and over there they must have their

798
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 1>own nationalists. I'm like, yeah, maybe, but you don't understand

799
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 1>how much they hate white people, like they really there's

800
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>no way around that. And I don't know how that

801
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>affects their view of mass Indian migration. I just don't know,

802
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 1>because they don't want to talk to us, and I

803
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 1>have a feeling they would dislike us both egally. But

804
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think that the new Indians

805
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>even want to fuck with the old Indians because like

806
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>these reserves suck man like no one's like Indians want

807
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to be in urban centers and suburbs. They don't want

808
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>to go into like the rural areas where you know

809
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they're living like rednecks. Basically and they say that with affection, right,

810
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>But like that that's completely antithetical to the Indian worldview

811
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 1>where they're like going hiking and sand like they're going

812
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.159
<v Speaker 1>hiking up a mountain and sandals. They don't know what

813
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.519
<v Speaker 1>they're doing. They don't know where they are at any

814
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 1>given moment. So yeah, I don't think they'll encroach over there.

815
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<v Speaker 1>I think that was the answer to your question. It

816
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<v Speaker 1>was an answered to something.

817
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<v Speaker 2>Look, I thinking I might title this the worst documentary

818
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<v Speaker 2>review ever because we talked about this.

819
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's actually it's it actually is all

820
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<v Speaker 1>related because it's you might you might not think so.

821
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<v Speaker 1>Good guys, watch watch it and tell me how related

822
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<v Speaker 1>is all to all this? Because we're talking about the

823
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<v Speaker 1>power box. I don't here's that the documentary is also

824
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<v Speaker 1>created for a mainstream audience. So there's some people who've

825
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>been initiated into our ideas and our talking points. For

826
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<v Speaker 1>some of this might seem old hat, but it's not

827
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<v Speaker 1>for you and I the best reviews I have heard

828
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>from people liked it and said this is something I

829
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 1>can show my aunt, my mom, my work friend, or something.

830
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you've listened to Blood Sale, we can

831
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<v Speaker 1>be a bit, you know, outside the bounds on certain things,

832
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 1>but little toward There's none of that in here. This

833
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 1>was made to introduce, if not mainstream aligned people, then

834
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 1>people who are maybe on the periphery of that and

835
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 1>looking for something else. It's trying to introduce some pretty

836
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.800
<v Speaker 1>radical ideas, maybe some ideas that these people haven't heard before,

837
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 1>package in a certain way that they haven't seen before.

838
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 1>And that's what this one. The first documentary was great,

839
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 1>that one might even be easier to show people, and

840
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 1>this one was more fashion from my way of thinking.

841
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 1>So it lives or dies based on that. Some people

842
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>might think it's too weird. I'll own that, but we

843
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>take it in some pretty weird directions and it's got

844
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a pretty large ambition for this thing of what it

845
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 1>wants to get across to someone just a first time

846
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 1>viewer who hasn't really heard it any these ideas before.

847
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>So that that was the ambition of this project. But

848
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 1>believe me, everything that we're talking about serves that interest.

849
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>We can emplain about Indians more if you want to,

850
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.719
<v Speaker 1>because I don't mind that. I'll do that all day.

851
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I got a video taken down for talking about them,

852
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>so I got to be nice.

853
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can do it. I can do it in

854
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a nice way. But I think that we don't there's

855
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>certain groups that a lot of people blame for this

856
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>or that. I'm not going to mention it on the show,

857
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.400
<v Speaker 1>but now that comes up in the film at all,

858
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:45.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, baby steps.

859
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and so I'm curious because in my mind,

860
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the last event in Canadian politics was justin Trudeau dating

861
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Katy Perry, and then before that it was the Trucker protest,

862
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and then before that the War of eighteen twelve. Yeah,

863
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 2>so in my mind it seemed as if during the

864
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>coop there was this sort of explosion of discontent. And

865
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't see that anymore now. As I've said earlier,

866
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>don't have the you know, my ear to the ground

867
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.039
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Canadian politics. But is the public

868
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 2>primed for this sort of product?

869
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Right?

870
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Are they in a moment of profound discontent? What is

871
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the feeling on the ground.

872
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 1>That's a very interesting question. It's a big question. I'm

873
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 1>going to try and answer it as acutely as I can.

874
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.599
<v Speaker 1>So the Trucker protest was so interesting because a lot

875
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of people didn't expect that from Canada and there's a

876
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 1>few realities that facilitated that. One is that there is

877
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>a pretty strong you know, people have this idea of Canada,

878
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like I described it as sort of liberals and whatnot,

879
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 1>but there's a like, there's only really a few cities

880
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that matter in Canada, and it's said a lot of towns,

881
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of villages, a lot of rural areas, and

882
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who are very outdoorsy. So you

883
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>have a certain I don't want to call it a

884
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 1>frontier character up here, but maybe I will. Maybe I'll

885
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 1>just fucking say that. But there's a lot of people

886
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>who are a bit more conservatively aligned. And the Trucker protests,

887
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, coalesced a lot of different groups. It was,

888
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, vaccine skeptics plus conspiracy guys, plus white nationalists

889
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 1>plus free speech people plus like, there's a lot of

890
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>right wing groups that probably wouldn't get along otherwise that

891
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 1>really crashed together and did this one miraculous thing that

892
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>was so cool to see and it was so big.

893
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 1>And then there's still some people that have been arrested

894
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 1>that are dealing with the consequences of that. But one

895
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 1>of the things that facilitated that was that the Canadian

896
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 1>security apparatus and the Canadian military. They did not have

897
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 1>the ability to project force inward. And I think that

898
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.679
<v Speaker 1>was what scared them, that if they wanted to send

899
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:25.639
<v Speaker 1>in the cops of the military to stop this, they

900
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking couldn't. They just didn't have the manpower, They didn't

901
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 1>have the will, they didn't have the strength, they didn't

902
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>have the plan to do that like they would in America.

903
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>America can direct so much power at its own citizens

904
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 1>at any given moment. But they couldn't do that and can.

905
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that showed a great weakness in their ability

906
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to marshal their forces interiorly. But you know, so what

907
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 1>does what does that represent? So I would say that

908
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of those groups I mentioned, they don't align on most

909
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:03.559
<v Speaker 1>things when it comes to even mass migration. At that time,

910
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 1>there might have been a lot of anti vaccine people

911
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>like the Alex Jones types. Right, like Alex Jones, even

912
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.159
<v Speaker 1>though they tried to turn info Wars trans for some reason,

913
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones for being a far right schitzo, he's always

914
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 1>been pretty LGBT friendly. A'm ninety nine percent sure he

915
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.559
<v Speaker 1>had Blair White's feet in his mouth, and that you know,

916
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he's he's not a racist guy either, right, So you

917
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 1>had like those people who wouldn't even agree on racial stuff,

918
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and maybe they've come around recently, but you know, if

919
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you were trying to build a movement with them outside

920
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:44.599
<v Speaker 1>of that flashpoint, you probably couldn't. So we're talking about

921
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 1>what is the movement on the ground. I'm right now

922
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 1>I am more excited than I've ever been and more

923
00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:01.079
<v Speaker 1>hopeful from seeing groups like the Dominion Society up here

924
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in Canada and Second Sons up here in Canada. Both

925
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 1>these groups I speak to the leadership of them quite often.

926
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>The Domain Society ran by Daniel Tyree, which is a

927
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 1>political organization. Second Sons is more of an active club network,

928
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 1>but very nationalist minded guys. The growth of these groups

929
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 1>has been phenomenal. I'd see the growth is more impressive

930
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>than anything I've seen outside of America, and maybe even

931
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.880
<v Speaker 1>compared to America, just from the numbers I'm seeing and

932
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the quality of the people who are involved in the

933
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 1>projects that they're starting to pull off. So based on

934
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the feedback to that, I think the movement on the

935
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>ground and sort of the tone of everything is very

936
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>very good, at least where I am in Ontario. I

937
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 1>can't speak to what it's like across the country, but

938
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 1>the growth of these groups, these nationalist minded groups, these

939
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:04.800
<v Speaker 1>remigration groups, has been phenomenal and the amount of content

940
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>people don't like to talk about that, but I would

941
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:11.920
<v Speaker 1>say the intellectual movement from some other people, other content

942
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 1>creators that are trying to dig through Canadian history and

943
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.280
<v Speaker 1>make it more relevant to Canadians. So they're not just

944
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:24.280
<v Speaker 1>always drawn towards international politics and international concerns, like they're

945
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to get a stronger awareness of themselves, of their

946
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 1>history and make it more relevant to Canadians today. And

947
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.679
<v Speaker 1>so much of Canada's history is pretty nationalistic and you know,

948
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a militaristic in tone. So I'm very hopeful from what

949
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing from the youth, people younger than myself. I'm

950
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>not that old, so I think the stage is set

951
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 1>right now for some very very interesting things. And I

952
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 1>think for a lot of people in the conservative movement,

953
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of they're gravitating a way from the center

954
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of that because they're looking at Pere Polyev. What time

955
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 1>are we at? Am I going to Okay, we have

956
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 1>some time, so I'll explain what happened with Trudeau was

957
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:17.639
<v Speaker 1>really interesting because you remember Justin Trudeau, don't you. Yes,

958
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar with Yeah. So he was really funny because

959
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>he's been stupid for that as long as he's been

960
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Prime minister. But at some point near the end of

961
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 1>his tenure, there was a green light that was placed

962
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 1>over his head that made it okay to bully him,

963
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 1>bully him in a way that I've never seen done

964
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to a world leader by his own people, even with

965
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like George W. Bush. But that's where you started seeing

966
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 1>fuck Trudeau bumper stickers everywhere. You saw like ladies making

967
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>fun of Trudeau for being stupid and whatnot. And I

968
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 1>was hopeful for a minute because he got a divorce

969
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.320
<v Speaker 1>while he was Prime minister and he started getting a beard,

970
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 1>but a very specific type of divorced guy beard. And

971
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, Weave, I don't even think America has had

972
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a proper divorced president, and we've certainly never had a

973
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.159
<v Speaker 1>divorced prime minister. Are we ready for such a thing?

974
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, this guy, he's got a divorced brain

975
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 1>right now. He's capable of anything. It's like when Trump

976
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.679
<v Speaker 1>got shot in the fucking head. You don't know what

977
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 1>he's going to do next, right, same thing, like a

978
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>man going through divorce might as well be shot in

979
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the side of the head. But everyone was just making

980
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 1>making fun of this guy, and because there was such

981
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.599
<v Speaker 1>a green light placed over bullying him, it's you know,

982
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I think people got like the wrong idea about how

983
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Canadians feel about the Liberal Party. And so because everyone

984
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.840
<v Speaker 1>was making buntradea this guy named Peter Poliev who is

985
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a leader of the Conservative Party, he was a shoe

986
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.679
<v Speaker 1>in at the election. Trudeau was on his way out,

987
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 1>he announced everyone he didn't even want to be Prime

988
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>minister anymore. So this guy Pierre Poliev, who's a fucking dork,

989
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't have a single original idea in his head.

990
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's a shoe and he's gonna just slide

991
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>right in there. And then here comes this guy named

992
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Mark Carney and just decimates him. Because it turns out

993
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>no one, no one liked the Conservative Party as much

994
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 1>as they hated Trudeau, and just because they hated Trudeau

995
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't mean they disliked the Liberal Party at all. And

996
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 1>so that's what happened at that election. And even prior

997
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to the election, we were saying Pierre Poulyev is gonna lose.

998
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.360
<v Speaker 1>The Conservaives are gonna lose. And that was hopeful because

999
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what they can do now is

1000
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.280
<v Speaker 1>they can reassess. Get Pierre Poliev out of there, find

1001
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a new guy. Who are you gonna get, I don't know,

1002
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:57.440
<v Speaker 1>go crazy, Find a dark horse candidate like Trump, Find

1003
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:02.199
<v Speaker 1>a psychopath, I don't know, you know, find just anyone

1004
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>but Kevin O'Leary. You know. But what they I wasn't

1005
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>expecting them to do what they did, which was just

1006
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>keep pure poly even power and change nothing. So right

1007
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 1>now there's a lot of people in the Conservative Party

1008
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 1>that are looking for not an out, but saying that

1009
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck are we doing? Mark Karney, the liberal

1010
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 1>prime minister, We're gonna have twenty five years of him.

1011
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You could be prime minister for as long as you want.

1012
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 1>By the way he could be. He could be prime

1013
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 1>minister for one hundred thousand years if he wants to,

1014
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 1>if he just keeps getting re elected. So there's people

1015
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.039
<v Speaker 1>within the Conservative movement they're looking for some of that

1016
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.199
<v Speaker 1>energy that they felt. They remember what it's like to

1017
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 1>hate a liberal leader, They remember what it was like

1018
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:55.119
<v Speaker 1>for the Trucker protests. There's something here, and these conservatives,

1019
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:59.519
<v Speaker 1>the prison they're in is so fucking boring and offers

1020
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.199
<v Speaker 1>them nothing. All it offers is scolding. So I'm looking

1021
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:08.639
<v Speaker 1>at them and saying, there's an alternative, and it's it's

1022
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 1>this other thing outside of the politics. This this this

1023
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.480
<v Speaker 1>emergence nationalistic thing that I was just describing.

1024
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 2>So, Dimes, we are fast approaching time. I'll make sure

1025
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to link to this documentary. Everyone should check it out.

1026
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>It got burden wife seal of approval, so matters to you. Yeah,

1027
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 2>she liked it, and so you know, for what.

1028
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 1>The brain's upound the operation, it's.

1029
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Uh uh yeah, I've you know, we kind of floated

1030
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.280
<v Speaker 2>the wrong idea, you know, like, oh, it'd be you know, fun,

1031
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:46.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe you and I do a show talking to her

1032
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, yeah, now, why would I listen to

1033
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:55.039
<v Speaker 2>you steal my ideas? Wow? Okay, fine? Uh in all seriousness,

1034
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:57.199
<v Speaker 2>she enjoyed it. So if that kind of you know,

1035
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a lofty praise moves you, I'll be sure to link it, Dimes.

1036
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Where else can people find you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can go over to blood Satellite dot Ca

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<v Speaker 1>to find all of our content from the show. On

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<v Speaker 1>there and clips and full episodes and everything. I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>substack at Vanguardist Journal dot substack dot com. Jay was

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<v Speaker 1>so gracious has to include a link to that on

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<v Speaker 1>our last appearance. But those are the main things. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also on x at Legally Ironic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well if you're interested, highly recommend it. As far as

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<v Speaker 2>my stuff, Jayburden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, you guys know

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<v Speaker 2>where to find me. I appreciate it. And the dimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again. Man, This is a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time I come here. That's That's not Bagaragary program.