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<v Speaker 1>Party audience listener question, Hey, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole and I'm Ben and you are listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wikeeding Grim, which is a true car podcast. Should I

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<v Speaker 2>do it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm waiting. Okay, I'm waiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that felt good.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We back, huh for the second time this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like Halloween week here.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost, but it's it's Nicole was sick and we're redeeming ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're buying your love. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 3>you'd say, redeeming your love.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it just became a monetary transaction. I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I'm just drinking. I'm double fisting, but I'm drinking

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<v Speaker 3>tea and I'm drinking juice.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm drinking Trench beer. You are, And for those who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't local, Trench is a local brewery, So it's not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not drinking beer out of like a ditch on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the It's Trench. Yeah. It's good stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>delicious and not very nutritious, but it's delicious, So there

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<v Speaker 2>we go.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, people have been like really enjoying I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I should say yesterday's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from what I can tell, it's a rough one.

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<v Speaker 3>It was rough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a survivor's story, which is really awesome. It's incredible

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<v Speaker 2>that she survived that. So if you guys haven't listened

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<v Speaker 2>to it yet, go check it out. Alison Both, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like it just I don't know. It makes me

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I need to be tougher.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to be tougher. Well, what are your thoughts after

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<v Speaker 2>that one? The whole wrap up, the whole thought process

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<v Speaker 2>on it, Like, where's your head at from that episode?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I still don't feel like it fully processed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like incredible that I don't know. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>human beings that can be pretty strong sometimes. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we sell ourselves short a lot, right, we don't push

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves and look, when you do, what could happen?

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's a very good way of looking at it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she even said that she felt she had an option

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<v Speaker 2>and she chose her way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So props again to Alice and botha yeah, and props

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<v Speaker 2>to you for sticking out with another episode this week

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<v Speaker 2>because you have been sick. But yeah, you're going through

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<v Speaker 2>like a trooper too, so good.

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<v Speaker 3>On you actions not going to that extent.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you. Well, not to that extent. No, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not nearly getting your head chopped off and walking to

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<v Speaker 2>your survival.

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<v Speaker 3>But I know, I mean, well, I'm hoping that I can,

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<v Speaker 3>like okay, because silly me, you know, you think, oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like kind of sick. Oh wow, Mika Hello. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if everyone heard. She's like, shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in a whiny mood.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's always whiny.

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<v Speaker 2>You might hear her a couple of times, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>getting older.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, and so instead of picking like a short

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<v Speaker 3>and sweet case, I just decided to pick a really

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<v Speaker 3>long case. So we're going to see how my voice

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<v Speaker 3>does here.

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<v Speaker 2>Genius move.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm really smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just before this, you did take a shot of

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<v Speaker 2>hot sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is so funny because when I was super sick,

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<v Speaker 3>I asked you to bring home cough candies, anything great,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you forgot them or something. And then even

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<v Speaker 3>though you're at the store, but then.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up some grocery stuff, but then I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>cough candies.

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<v Speaker 3>But its fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I got you cold medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you got other things. But then you so

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<v Speaker 3>you were like googling how to help a cough and

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<v Speaker 3>hot sauce. Yeh like literally just like take a spoonful

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<v Speaker 3>of hot sauce. Yeah, and it works, It actually does.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really weird sinuses, right, Yeah, yeah, it like really

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<v Speaker 3>does well. One night we had a really spicy meal too,

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<v Speaker 3>and that made me feel amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if you guys don't have cough candies or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>you're sick, you need some home remedies action, just take

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<v Speaker 2>some hot sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll putting the whole spiciness aside. Let's talk sweet

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit here for a minute, particularly candy Mountain sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people got the reference and some

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<v Speaker 2>are a little upset that you didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my apologies.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you not know what candy mountain is? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you explain this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? No, the thing is I have seen that. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just not interested in it. Am I allowed to say that?

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you? I don't know? You're more like The

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<v Speaker 2>best way I can put it is you're like legally blonde.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that is so insulting, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think I used hesitated.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to be more like that, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>I've definitely like progressed here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, the whole pop culture type scene is not

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<v Speaker 2>so much for you. Am I correct with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, for the majority of it. Anyways, you

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<v Speaker 2>do have your your instances where you enjoy it, like

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<v Speaker 2>some Spider Man movies and John Wick. You fucking love

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<v Speaker 2>John Wick. But early internet stuff, even just internet stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like YouTube, is not pretty much a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I'm not really like on the YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, I am a YouTube you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>A YouTube fanatic.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a I am a big old slut for

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<v Speaker 2>the YouTube, let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with that. We're allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>have our own interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, for sure?

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<v Speaker 3>How soon here?

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<v Speaker 2>However, it's been like fifteen years since Candy Mountain, so

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<v Speaker 2>you should at.

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<v Speaker 3>Least I've seen it. It's just not interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably gonna get more emails.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we're allowed to have our own interests.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you are, but it's Candy Mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, I'm telling the people that, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I am speaking on behalf of them right now. You

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<v Speaker 2>are allowed to have your own interest, but it's fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Candy Mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, maybe someone should email us saying that they annoyed

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<v Speaker 3>you what Candy Mountain is either, All.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let us know if you didn't know what Candy

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain was.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Okay, are we like ready to roll here?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're ready to roll, my.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, because we could probably do a whole podcast on

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<v Speaker 3>Candy Mountain. Sure, Jarnie go to Candy mount.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, sorry impressions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Anyway, I think I said yesterday what the case

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<v Speaker 3>was on. So we're doing the case of Lacy Peterson.

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<v Speaker 3>Lacy Peterson, Lacy Peterson, and I'm assuming you know what

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<v Speaker 3>that is, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of blocked out, like all the information because

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of watched like three quarters of a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 3>With you when I'm sick.

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<v Speaker 2>But I knew you were covering the story, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was not paying attention to details. Oh okay, because I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of did want to be surprised on this a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was on my phone half the time. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know anything.

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<v Speaker 3>About it, prepared to be surprised. So it's a huge

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<v Speaker 3>story from two thousand and two, and after doing some

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<v Speaker 3>research on it, I feel like the media actually did

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<v Speaker 3>this case a real disservice, which it does fair I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I should say media and investigators. But right from

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<v Speaker 3>the get go it seemed like an assumption was made

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<v Speaker 3>and they had their guy case closed. That's just from

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<v Speaker 3>my research and after doing this my research, though, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't say I'm fully convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, some stuff did just all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden come back from the documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>There was some shit in that documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy moly. I remember being absolutely upset over some of

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<v Speaker 2>the details ye in the court case. So fuck yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this one's bumpy. This one's bumpy.

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<v Speaker 3>So my belief before researching is still very much so

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<v Speaker 3>with me. But there does seem to be I guess

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<v Speaker 3>you could say a lack of evidence. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know who Lacy Peterson is, she and her eight

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<v Speaker 3>month old baby, the baby was still in her womb,

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<v Speaker 3>were the victims of a highly publicized disappearance slash murder case,

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<v Speaker 3>her husband, Scott Peterson being the number one suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the husband. It's always it's like they're fucking

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<v Speaker 3>Always Yeah, well, I mean, or like it's just the

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<v Speaker 3>spouse or a loved one. It's so fucked up. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what.

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<v Speaker 2>I meant, like the spouse was always the yeah, number

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<v Speaker 2>one suspect. But I mean, like, of course it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the ones who are the closest. They're the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who's gonna be the mortal enemy, per se. And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they say that the statistic just rises as uh

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<v Speaker 2>as you get married. They're the ones who are most

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<v Speaker 2>likely to be the ones to murder you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I just hate that though. I just think

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<v Speaker 3>that's just awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you take anything away from that, it's done

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<v Speaker 2>piss me off, and I won't piss you off mutual.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you should be more scared of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm one who just made a sticker about true

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<v Speaker 2>crime podcasters that you know we know how to hide.

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<v Speaker 3>A body, right, Yeah we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say we have experience. We do not

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<v Speaker 3>have experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to just give us a way we have knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know. I'm just I'm myself and a

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<v Speaker 3>whole Listen carefully. We're gonna go through like a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of information, like a lot, okay, and I just I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be interested to hear like your thoughts, the listener's

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts on what you think went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, a ton of information. You want our thoughts thinking

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<v Speaker 2>cap is on.

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<v Speaker 3>Buckle up because yeah, it's gonna be a it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be a ride here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, b up.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So at the time of Lacey's disappearance, she was

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven years old. Like, that's freaking young.

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<v Speaker 2>That is young.

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<v Speaker 3>That's young, I mean and got little Connor.

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<v Speaker 2>He's younger. Yep, didn't even.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a life really, so oh he didn't. So Lazy

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<v Speaker 3>and Scott would meet in nineteen ninety four, with Lazy

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<v Speaker 3>making the first move by giving Scott her phone number.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>She would later tell her mom that she had met

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, going for it, you go, girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you just know.

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<v Speaker 2>Making that first move and just going all in.

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<v Speaker 3>As the relationship grew more serious, Scott, who entertained the

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<v Speaker 3>dream of being a pro golfer, put those hopes aside

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<v Speaker 3>to focus on a path in business. The couple dated

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<v Speaker 3>for two years before moving in together and got married

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<v Speaker 3>on August ninth, nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Once they had both completed their post secondary education, the

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<v Speaker 3>Peterson's opened a sports bar where they lived. Where they

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<v Speaker 3>were living sorry in San Sam Louis Obispo. I'm Obispo.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna go there, and called it the Shack,

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<v Speaker 3>the Shack, the Shack.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, is that is that in reference to like the Caddyshack.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even know what it is, of course you

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<v Speaker 2>don't pop culture. It's a movie Caddyshack.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's all revolving around golf. And since he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be pro golfer, I'm going to assume

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a Caddyshack.

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<v Speaker 3>Reference could be I did not. I didn't research that

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<v Speaker 3>and it didn't come up in my research. But you

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<v Speaker 3>never know. But yeah, he was to watch it, super

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<v Speaker 3>into golfing, so we gotta watch it. They eventually put

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<v Speaker 3>the business up for sale when they moved to Lacey's hometown, Medesto, California,

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<v Speaker 3>as they wanted to start a family. They purchased a

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<v Speaker 3>three bedroom, two bath bungalow house and a more upscale

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood of Medesto. In October of two thousand. Lacey took

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<v Speaker 3>a part time job as a substitute T shirt and

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<v Speaker 3>Scott worked as a fertilizer salesman, earning himself a decent

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<v Speaker 3>monthly salary.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, just selling.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, oh my gosh, that's actually good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's real good. Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lacey wanted to be the perfect housewife.

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<v Speaker 2>Good on her.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, I am the opposite of that, but

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<v Speaker 3>that is okay to each their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing. There was dinner waiting for me at home and

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<v Speaker 2>everything when I got home from work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I just I just know that I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>never going to be Martha Stewart. I'm just not there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, nobody can be.

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<v Speaker 3>So she enjoyed cooking and entertaining. In two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 3>Scott and Lacey got to share the news that they

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<v Speaker 3>were expecting their first child, awesome, a son that they

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<v Speaker 3>planned to name Connor, with Lacey's due date being February tenth,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and three. But Lacey would never see her

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<v Speaker 3>do date. Instead, her body was found washed ashore in

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<v Speaker 3>the San Francisco Bay on April fourteen, two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>with Connor's body being found the day prior. That's just mortifying,

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<v Speaker 3>its super super rough. So what happened? What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, well, let's hear it what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Christmas two thousand and two when shit would

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<v Speaker 3>go south. On December twenty third, Scott and Lacey were

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<v Speaker 3>at the salon visiting Amy, Lacey's sister. As she was

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<v Speaker 3>cutting Scott's hair, that was like a monthly ritual.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, gotta get the dew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you need haircuts, you know a little more often

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<v Speaker 3>I bear. I go like twice a year. It's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I am definitely increasing my haircutting ness because well, I

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<v Speaker 2>used to just always wear hats, always wear a hard

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<v Speaker 2>hat at work. Now that I'm like working in a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more of an office setting, I got to look

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<v Speaker 2>pretty every day.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to tame your due.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta tame that. Do style it now.

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<v Speaker 3>So, as they were chatting about the upcoming holiday, Amy

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned she had ordered a fruit basket for her grandfather

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<v Speaker 3>that needed to be picked up the following day. Scott

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<v Speaker 3>planned to be in that area playing golf, so he

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<v Speaker 3>offered to pick it up for Amy. I would say

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<v Speaker 3>that Scott had a good relationship with Lacey's.

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<v Speaker 2>Family, Okay, okay. Right on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Evening, Lacey would have a phone conversation with her mother again,

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<v Speaker 3>probably making any final arrangements as you do at Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>All was normal that evening, and that allegedly carried over

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<v Speaker 3>to the following morning, Christmas Eve. Lacey got up earlier

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<v Speaker 3>than Scott, had breakfast and Scott, and while Scott was

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<v Speaker 3>showering and getting ready for the day, Lacey was doing

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of online shopping. You're not supposed to online

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<v Speaker 3>shopping so close to Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what if it was last minute gifts, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was on the computer looking at a red

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<v Speaker 3>scar from the gap and a sunflower umbrella. Lacey had

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<v Speaker 3>a busy day ahead of her. Scott said around the

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<v Speaker 3>time he was leaving, Lacey was watching Martha Stewart preparing

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<v Speaker 3>to mop the floor. She had to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>store to pick up bread, make gingerbread, and walk the

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<v Speaker 3>family dog, a recipe she had intended to use. Was

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on the kitchen counter.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so she was Martha Stewart, is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, that sounds like a Martha Stewart.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't watching Martha's Stewart. If she was watching Martha Stewart,

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<v Speaker 2>she would have just been looking in a mirror at

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<v Speaker 2>that point. She's got it all going like she's eight

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<v Speaker 2>months pregnant. She's cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, and fucking probably

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<v Speaker 2>painting the house while she's at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that sounds like, that sounds like a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not eight months pregnant, and that sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>an exhausting day to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Generally, after a big meal, I feel like I'm eight

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<v Speaker 2>months pregnant and I'm just like I'm not doing anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, like like you had mentioned, it was quite

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<v Speaker 3>the day. It was quite the day that she planned.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is where the first suspicion arises. Friends of Lacey.

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<v Speaker 3>Lacey's would later testify that Lacey's pregnancy had forced her

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<v Speaker 3>to stop exercising. Every time she would start to do something,

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<v Speaker 3>she would have to stop and rest. It was said

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<v Speaker 3>because of this, she needed to stop walking the dog

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<v Speaker 3>weeks prior at her doctor's urging. Okay, just a little tidbit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm throwing little tidbits in there every.

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<v Speaker 2>Once in a while, gotcha, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't you worry though, We'll be coming back to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So after Scott left between nine thirty and ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>he drove to his nearby warehouse to send a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of work emails and retrieve his new boat as he's

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<v Speaker 3>decided to no longer go golfing, but to instead go fishing.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently it was a little bit cold to go golfing.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it was cold to go golfing, though

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<v Speaker 3>it was cold to go fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be more cold to go fishing out in

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<v Speaker 2>the water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That didn't make a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of sense to me. He traveled to the Berkeley Marina,

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<v Speaker 3>where he launched his boat and planned to fish for

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<v Speaker 3>sturgeon in somewhat shallow for sturgeon hay for sturgeon.

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<v Speaker 2>A pounds, A big ass fish.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm people already know.

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<v Speaker 2>My fear that kind of shit. If you guys don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what a sturgeon is, google it. They fucking cute.

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<v Speaker 3>They can be ginormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Freshwater fish like in rivers. We have them around us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Go fishing for sturgeon like three kilometers away. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>they like hundreds of pounds. We're talking like three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>fucking pound fish.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm assuming, like are they good eating? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>eat that?

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<v Speaker 2>They're highly illegal to to.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you don't kill it. It's just sport.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh here, I'm just saying, what's the point unless you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna eat it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know if they're still endangered, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were like an endangered they're a protected species.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. That's so interesting to me because I

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<v Speaker 3>just feel like, if you're going to try to catch

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<v Speaker 3>one of them, it'd be like to eat. But sport fishing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well if you're in a couple hundred pound fish,

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<v Speaker 2>that's worth sport.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't harm the animal, which generally you go guides

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. Yeah, you do pretty good. You don't harm

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<v Speaker 2>the animal, and they let them go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, So now some interesting things in regards to

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<v Speaker 3>the boat I mentioned it was it was a newer

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<v Speaker 3>It was a new boat. It was like new to them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure is purchased us. It was nice, but

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't anything fancy. It was a fishing boat, a

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen foot aluminum boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not enclosed.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone could see what the interior might contain, so you

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<v Speaker 3>get a little bit of a picture of what this

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<v Speaker 3>boat looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>Some reports say Lacey didn't know about the boat because

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<v Speaker 3>she hadn't shared the news with her family that they

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<v Speaker 3>purchased it, and that would have been something she would

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<v Speaker 3>have shared. But then some say she was at the

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<v Speaker 3>warehouse days prior and so would have clearly known about

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<v Speaker 3>the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>After he wrapped up fishing for the day and was

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<v Speaker 3>en route to drop off the boat and head home,

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<v Speaker 3>Scott foamed and left Lacey a voicemail. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>clip of this voice smell to play. It's not like

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<v Speaker 3>overly important or anything, but I think it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>hear in regards to what he'll later be accused of.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds good. Let's hear it be beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>I just got to say message at home two fifteen Linten, Berkeley,

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<v Speaker 4>I won't be able to get to develop farms to

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<v Speaker 4>get that basket for pop on the world's hoping you

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<v Speaker 4>would get this message and going out there, I'll see

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<v Speaker 4>in it. We love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good message.

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<v Speaker 3>So there you have it. I feel like that seems

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<v Speaker 3>like a pretty normal voicemail that a husband would leave

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<v Speaker 3>their wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does. I mean he's better and up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. He called her, what beautiful sweetie, in said

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<v Speaker 2>I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>So which Okay, if you left me voicemail, I'd be like, hey, babe,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you would definitely probably say love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I'm most likely thinking, Okay, he just left

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<v Speaker 2>his eight month pregnant wife at home to cook and

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<v Speaker 2>clean and take care of pretty much everything on Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Eve while I fuck off and go fishing. I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>buttering you up too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's kind of funny that you say that,

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<v Speaker 3>because literally I was like, if anything of the day

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<v Speaker 3>seems suspicious, it's why Scott gets to go fishing and

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<v Speaker 3>Lacey's at home tackling this long like Christmas to do list. Yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the heck here?

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, but we.

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<v Speaker 3>Have no idea what kind of arrangement they at home

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<v Speaker 3>in regards to how they split work. And then knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that Lacey liked, you know, housewife tasks, I suppose you

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<v Speaker 3>could call them. Maybe she wanted to do them and

433
00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:36.720
<v Speaker 3>didn't need his help or something.

434
00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, everyone's relationship dynamic is different, right, absolutely in that

435
00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:43.279
<v Speaker 2>effort effort you make it work like and that's important.

436
00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he doesn't seem like any sort of douche

437
00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.680
<v Speaker 2>canoe to me, unless he's like making his pregnant wife

438
00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:51.039
<v Speaker 2>do the shit and he's just a dick and he's

439
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.799
<v Speaker 2>like fuck you and going fishing, dick move. But if

440
00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:55.599
<v Speaker 2>that's not the case, then yeah, I know it.

441
00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Zoycemel makes him sound like so nice, but he is.

442
00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.400
<v Speaker 3>He is a douche canal. I'll at least say that much.

443
00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.559
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, we don't like this guy. Fuck you,

444
00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Scott Rene.

445
00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So back to the Peterson home, things were unfortunately

446
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.559
<v Speaker 3>not going so well. We do know that Lacey somewhat

447
00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.039
<v Speaker 3>stuck to her plan because there was a maltbucket outside

448
00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:21.240
<v Speaker 3>and she had been reported by many eyewitnesses as outwalking

449
00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:26.359
<v Speaker 3>her dog. So the first noteworthy timestamp was the Peterson's

450
00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.759
<v Speaker 3>neighbor at ten eighteen, who found Mackenzie, their dog, out

451
00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.200
<v Speaker 3>in the yard in the front yard with a leishawn.

452
00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:38.000
<v Speaker 3>She returned the dog to the backyard, not really thinking

453
00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:42.799
<v Speaker 3>much of it. Then there were numerous sightings of Lacey

454
00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:46.759
<v Speaker 3>walking Mackenzie from about ten forty five to like eleven

455
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:50.319
<v Speaker 3>thirty along a route that does make sense, a route

456
00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.759
<v Speaker 3>she would take. Okay, and we're talking like twenty plus

457
00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.160
<v Speaker 3>eyewitness reports seeing her. Oh wow, okay, Like it wasn't

458
00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:59.160
<v Speaker 3>just like one or two.

459
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.640
<v Speaker 2>She clearly not following doctor's orders though, Yeah, I guess

460
00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:04.359
<v Speaker 2>not so.

461
00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:10.200
<v Speaker 3>The mailman also delivered mail to the Peterson's home between

462
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.599
<v Speaker 3>this time, and he recalls that the gate was open

463
00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and that Mackenzie wasn't there to bark at him, and

464
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.039
<v Speaker 3>Mackenzie was the type of dog that if home, would

465
00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.279
<v Speaker 3>have been barking at the mailman.

466
00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha. And if TikTok or Instagram has taught me anything,

467
00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.319
<v Speaker 2>it's that mailmen know the dogs in their route too.

468
00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh yeah, And that's like literally in this documentary

469
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.519
<v Speaker 3>that I watched that was said, like you know what

470
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.960
<v Speaker 3>dog's going to bark at you, and you know where

471
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:39.680
<v Speaker 3>to watch your back.

472
00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, yeah, because I've seen like clips and reels and

473
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff of like these malemen and male women and male

474
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.799
<v Speaker 2>persons going around in their roots and it's like they

475
00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.279
<v Speaker 2>know the dog's names and like all this, and they're

476
00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:54.880
<v Speaker 2>like they know the new dogs or anything. They just

477
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.799
<v Speaker 2>they know they know.

478
00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.519
<v Speaker 3>Well. I've seen ones too where they have like cookies

479
00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:02.960
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, yeah for the dogs, and the dogs just

480
00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.279
<v Speaker 3>like sit there waiting they know, and the mailman or

481
00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:07.680
<v Speaker 3>mail woman or person like you said, is coming and

482
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 3>they're just like waiting for that cookie. Yeah, like dogs

483
00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:11.559
<v Speaker 3>are just like peer Oh my.

484
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, the angels, Yeah they are.

485
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, where was it here? So at this time, so

486
00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:23.240
<v Speaker 3>the mailman came. There was no barking for mackenzie. But

487
00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:26.000
<v Speaker 3>this is also the time that Lacy was being witnesses

488
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.920
<v Speaker 3>out on our walk, so that makes sense. But none

489
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.880
<v Speaker 3>of the sightings of her walking the dog would be

490
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:43.119
<v Speaker 3>later heard in court. Oh yeah, fuck yeah. Next noteworthy

491
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:46.920
<v Speaker 3>times tamp was the witness of a burglary across the

492
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:52.559
<v Speaker 3>street from the Peterson's. That family where the burglar was

493
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.920
<v Speaker 3>taking place left for vacation around ten thirty that morning

494
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:02.319
<v Speaker 3>at about ten forty, and neighbor drove by, witnessing, as

495
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 3>she described it, three short, dark, darker skin suspicious people

496
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.680
<v Speaker 3>at a van, stopping what they were doing as she

497
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 3>drove by to watch her. That's kind of weird.

498
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just saw the case. They're the ones who

499
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.279
<v Speaker 2>did this. Find them? You find her period.

500
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting that you say that.

501
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Detective Ben has solved the case.

502
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Case closed. Okay, so this was taking place right around

503
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 3>when Lacey would have been returning home from her walk

504
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.839
<v Speaker 3>with McKenzie.

505
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

506
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 3>In fact, that's what she was doing that morning. We'll

507
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.920
<v Speaker 3>talk more about this burglary near the end.

508
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay if in fact, okay, you threw a wrench in

509
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:46.559
<v Speaker 2>my plan.

510
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, some people say that there's no way

511
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 3>she was out walking, Okay, okay, because doctor's orders.

512
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she wasn't supposed to. Okay, Okay, you got my attention.

513
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.759
<v Speaker 3>So when Sco finally returned home, he said he returned

514
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 3>home to an empty house. Their dog was in the

515
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 3>backyard still with the leasha on, and Lacey's vehicle was

516
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 3>in the driveway. But he didn't think much of any

517
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 3>of this and just thought maybe Lacy had been picked

518
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.839
<v Speaker 3>up by her mom and was over at their house.

519
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, makes sense.

520
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>He showered, he washed his clothes, which he got a

521
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:29.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of flak for as well, but he said that

522
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 3>he basically just got them wet fishing and like he

523
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.400
<v Speaker 3>smelled from fishing, right, so he put his clothes in

524
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.759
<v Speaker 3>the wash checks out. It wasn't until about five point

525
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.559
<v Speaker 3>fifteen that Scott phoned over to his in laws to

526
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 3>see if Lacey was there. He did this after he

527
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 3>came across the message he left for Lacey on the machine,

528
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 3>and also one from Ron as well. Who Ron is

529
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Lacey's stepfather, and he was phoning basically to ask them

530
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.039
<v Speaker 3>to bring something to the house like later that day.

531
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 3>But Scott thought that's where Lacey was, right, Yeah, so

532
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.440
<v Speaker 3>your phone there, she obviously wasn't there. And about a

533
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.119
<v Speaker 3>half an hour later, Ron would call the police to

534
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 3>report Lacey as missing.

535
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that's pretty quick they were on that.

536
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well they went I don't even have this in there,

537
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 3>but like they went around searching for her, right, yeah,

538
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, a Scott had taken Mackenzie for a walk,

539
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 3>like looking for stuff. But and they were making phone

540
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 3>calls and stuff. But I think I think it would

541
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 3>be pretty clear if someone was miss like you find

542
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 3>out pretty quickly.

543
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fair. I mean if someone is if if

544
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that if you're missing, for example, okay, the

545
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 2>things I would check for to see if you have

546
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 2>left on your own will or whatever, purse, keys, phone, car,

547
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing.

548
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you probably like phone a couple people you know,

549
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 3>I hang out with on a regular basis or something. Definitely, Yeah,

550
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.440
<v Speaker 3>and that's about it. I think they're also like even

551
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 3>phoning hospitals and stuff.

552
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>But shit, they were fucking on that they're on it.

553
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 3>So and from there the story would attract nationwide media attention.

554
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, it's not always clear why one story will

555
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 3>get more attention than another, but from what I read,

556
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 3>there isn't generally a lot to report on over the holidays,

557
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 3>Like news wise, I think it's a little bit quieter. Yeah,

558
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and it was around the time that news outlets were

559
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 3>starting doing their twenty four hour news coverage. The Petersons

560
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 3>also came across as an all around American family, good looking.

561
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Lacey was the girl next door type.

562
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Relatability seems to be a big thing. If you look

563
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 2>at like social media things that go viral, it's usually

564
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>something really cool, right yeah, or it's really educational, or

565
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 2>it's really relatable. And in the case of true crime,

566
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be something that's really cool or

567
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>really entertain educational, it's going to be really relatable. So

568
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>probably like, oh, can you imagine that happened on Christmas

569
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to our family?

570
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 3>That's very true.

571
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 2>That's probably what really made people like attached to it.

572
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 3>Yep. So from there on, the street was riddled with reporters,

573
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>which is something else to also note.

574
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Noted.

575
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Noted note that noted Meanwhile, Medessa police detectives John Breuler

576
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 3>and Alan but Cinci reported responded to the call. But Cincinki, Oh.

577
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, welcome to Wicked podcast.

578
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 3>Fucking I don't even know whatever? Freaking Alan and.

579
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>John, is that what you're about to say?

580
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know I'm.

581
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Moving from that?

582
00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:59.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, holy shit?

583
00:28:59.400 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

584
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 3>So when they arrived at the Peterson home, they found

585
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Lacey's keys, wallet, and sunglasses still to be in her

586
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 3>purse in the closet. Shit, which is kind of like

587
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 3>fuck yeah, right, because even if she was going to

588
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 3>her parents or her mom and stepfathers, like, she would

589
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>have that with her.

590
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. And if she was going for like a

591
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 2>say she's going to stretch her legs for a walk

592
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>or something, even against doctor's orders, She's probably going to

593
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>go for the to the store or something to grab

594
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 2>something for dinner. She's not going to just go for

595
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 2>a stroll. There's going to be a purpose behind it, right,

596
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 2>So she would take her wallet, she would take her

597
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 2>keys or something. Yeah, she'd be on a mission that day, not.

598
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Just a well the keys, yeah, you think the keys

599
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>even if you're going for a walk to lock your

600
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 3>door or whatever.

601
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeap. So there were.

602
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Many things that seemed to question Scott's innocence, according to investigators,

603
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>but one of them was his reaction to his wife missing.

604
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 3>You think most people in that situation would be freaking

605
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the fuck out just a bit.

606
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, probably.

607
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 3>But throughout the whole process, really Scott remained quite calm,

608
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 3>which came across as suspicious to investigators. It was described

609
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 3>so this is one of the detectives. It was described

610
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 3>as a strange combination of polite and arrogant, disaffectedly distant,

611
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 3>and inpatiently irritable. He just didn't seem like a man

612
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.039
<v Speaker 3>who was crushed or even greatly disturbed by his wife's

613
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>disappearance and possible death. He said, I suspected Scott when

614
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I first met him. Didn't mean he did it, But

615
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I was a little bit thrown off by his calm,

616
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 3>cool demeanor and his lack of questioning. He wasn't will

617
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 3>you be calling me back? Can I have one of

618
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 3>your cards? What are you guys doing now?

619
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I agree with that. I mean sure,

620
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't all upset, he wasn't questioning, he wasn't frantic,

621
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>But people deal with shit differently. Oh yeah, the way

622
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>you said it, he was distant. There was another word

623
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you use, distant.

624
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 3>Uh what did I say?

625
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>It was one of the two, the two latter words

626
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>that you said. But it almost sounded like he was

627
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>in shock to me.

628
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Cool demeanor, calm, lack of questioning.

629
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Was a little bit.

630
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know what I even said here, but.

631
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Either way, it's it sounds like he's in shock to me.

632
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>He sounds like he's just like he doesn't know what

633
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to do, he can't process this. Irritable that was the

634
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>other one. Yeah, yeah, so irritable and distant. That sounds

635
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>like someone who's just like doesn't know what to do

636
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and just like panic almost and just like shut down.

637
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 3>I know. I feel like you just sometimes can't judge

638
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>people for situations they're in and like because sometimes I

639
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know, like just I like, this is kind of

640
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>a morbid situation here. But like I was at like

641
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 3>a loved one's funeral one time, and it's like I

642
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.200
<v Speaker 3>barely literally remember anything at that and people would probably

643
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>think that I like looked happy or whatever, but you're

644
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 3>literally like just putting on a show. Yeah, like you're

645
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 3>freaking the fuck out inside, but like you're just like

646
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 3>making it so that everyone thinks it's okay.

647
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough.

648
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that does happen?

649
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know for me, it's like when I don't

650
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>know what to do or what how to react or anything,

651
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I kind of shut down. I'm probably gonna be distant

652
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 2>and irritable.

653
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah huh, and just trying to like process and vire

654
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 3>on your head. I don't know, but I mean it

655
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 3>sucks like he was he was judged.

656
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 2>He was judged for that.

657
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.759
<v Speaker 3>So now once the police found out Scott was fishing

658
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>at the Berkeley Marina earlier that day.

659
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 2>That's sus as fuck.

660
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>That area was on high alert for them, and at

661
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 3>one point it was search ye. Also, request was put

662
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 3>out through through the media for any eyewitnesses of Scott

663
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 3>in the area to come forward, which essentially gave away

664
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>his motherfucker Alhibi to the public.

665
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, see that, this is the one part I do remember.

666
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>So sorry if I gave something away there by saying that,

667
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 2>sus but but yeah.

668
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, keep going, Okay, where was I here? So

669
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 3>they had basically believed that Scott killed Lacy and was

670
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>at their marina dumping her body. They knew Scott was

671
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 3>at the office, as the emails he sent were documented

672
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>and timestamped. He had a receipt from the marina, and

673
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 3>there were eyewitnesses. But Scott's behavior there wasn't suspicious. I mean,

674
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 3>it was like the middle of the day. He was

675
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 3>on a small fishing boat, and I think it'd be

676
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 3>very safe to say if he had anything suspicious on

677
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 3>the boat with him, it would probably have been noticed.

678
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you said it was what a twelve or

679
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 2>fourteen foot of aluminum boat?

680
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fourteen feet, but you see.

681
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>In those things like like I've got a twelve and

682
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>a half foot of aluminum sitting over there. We can

683
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>turn it over, we can sit inside it, and you'll

684
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>be able to like everything.

685
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, So I mean, okay, My only thought there is, like, say,

686
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 3>if because I just want to play all sides here,

687
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 3>like we don't know, well, fuck, we do know according

688
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 3>to some people, what happened. But anyway, if like you

689
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 3>had done something bad in the middle of the night,

690
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 3>my only thought is maybe he was going back to

691
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the scene to just like make sure that he had

692
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>hid into everything. Oh yeah, right, because I don't I

693
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 3>don't think that during the day and stuff, you will go,

694
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 3>like dump a body, but maybe you were coming back

695
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 3>in the day just to like retrace your steps.

696
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they do often say that the criminal returns

697
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>to the scene of the crime. No, you got a.

698
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Point, So I mean that would be my only thought. Wow, okay, okay, okay.

699
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 3>So but with police giving away Scott's alibi, say he

700
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't do this, whoever did now knew what to do

701
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 3>with Lacey's body if they wanted it to look like

702
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 3>Scott did it. Who Scott was at that time the

703
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 3>number one.

704
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Suspect passed the buck.

705
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh, which is just freaking terrifying. Holy shit. Some

706
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 3>reports also say Lacey and the baby weren't killed on

707
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 3>the twenty fourth, but later, so imagine she was being

708
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 3>held somewhere, but the police were like too fixated on

709
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Scott to open their eyes to other possibilities, and like

710
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 3>that just haunts me.

711
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding. See, you said that that he's kind

712
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>of a douche canoe and we don't like Scott. So far,

713
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not presented with anything that makes me think he

714
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 2>is a douche canoe and that I don't like him,

715
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>except taking your word for it.

716
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Just wait, just wait there, it's actually coming up here.

717
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 3>It's come right up here.

718
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's hear it. Let's hear what douche Scott

719
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 2>McGee asshole guy did did?

720
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay? So something else I should mention is in the beginning,

721
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 3>Lacey's family really supported Scott like they had his back.

722
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>They defended him and portrayed him and Lacey as the

723
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 3>ideal couple. It wasn't until Amber Fry showed up that

724
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 3>they turned on Scott.

725
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck's Amber Fry?

726
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Amber Fry was Scott's girlfriend.

727
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Scott, you got caught like that? Ah, what

728
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>a dick.

729
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 3>That's bad.

730
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>What a dick.

731
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.239
<v Speaker 3>So they met on November twentieth, with Scott so like

732
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 3>they hadn't been together long, Like that's that's only like

733
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks, right, with Scott telling Amber that he was,

734
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, a single dude. Apparently this hadn't been Scott's

735
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 3>first affair either. So that doesn't make him it makes

736
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 3>him like an absolute piece of shit. Oh sure, but

737
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 3>it does not necessarily just like make him a killer.

738
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't.

739
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Amber had approached the police about Scott once she realized

740
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>who he was. All along, Scott had denied to detectives

741
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 3>that he was having an affair. She told detectives, Oh,

742
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 3>I wrote that fucking sentence wrong.

743
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 2>It's all good, it's all good. Don't worry about it.

744
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, she told detectives. Scott told her on December ninth

745
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>that he was married. Oh, okay, this is bad, this

746
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 3>is bad. But said he lost his wife and this

747
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 3>would be the first holiday without her. What like, huh,

748
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>considering what ends up happening, that's quite a thing to say.

749
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 2>So he told this chick, my wife just died and

750
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 2>this is my first Christmas without her. And then his

751
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>wife happens to fucking go missing.

752
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he said that like a week and a

753
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 3>bit before that happened.

754
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this dude should write fortune cookies.

755
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 3>What oh my god. And so apparently what had happened, though,

756
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 3>is one of Amber's friends found out Scott was married,

757
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>and so Scott had to come up fairly quickly with

758
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.119
<v Speaker 3>some sort of lie. Okay, and that's what the fuck

759
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 3>he came up with.

760
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Ah.

761
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>So what happened next is quite interesting. Amber started working

762
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 3>with the police and secretly recording her phone conversations with Scott.

763
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Shit.

764
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 3>The hope was that they could get him to confess. Okay, okay,

765
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Scott had told Amber that he'd be traveling for the holidays.

766
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>So one particular conversation, he pretended to be in Paris

767
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 3>while talking to Amber, but in reality, he was actually

768
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 3>attending his wife's New Year's Eve candlelight vigual in modesto.

769
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Lay. Fuck. Yeah, So he's on the fucking phone with

770
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>his mistress while he's at his wife's fucking fucking funeral.

771
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's just like it's shit like that that just

772
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 3>like fucks with people here, right.

773
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Scott is a fucking douchebag. I don't know if he's

774
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.679
<v Speaker 2>a murderer, but he's a fucking.

775
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Like that's disgusting. And something I didn't even put in

776
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 3>here is because like media was just all over this.

777
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 3>They were like all over this, and so they also

778
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 3>would take photos and stuff of Scott and of course

779
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 3>like pick just the worst possible one. So like he

780
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 3>is at this candlelight vigual thing and there's a photo

781
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 3>of him like smiling or laughing. Yeah, and of course

782
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 3>that goes on like the cover of all these like

783
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 3>tabloid magazines, right of course, But in reality, someone said

784
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 3>that he was just like sharing a sweet moment with

785
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 3>his niece who was there. Yeah, Like, I mean, what

786
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 3>is he supposed to do? Stand to the side the

787
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 3>whole time and just like brown, Like I don't know.

788
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess technically, but he's also there, and like,

789
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, these people are trying to help find his wife.

790
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 2>And but I mean, that's what that's what media does.

791
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>They look for that split moment where they can make

792
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a buck off something. It's oh, he smiled when he

793
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 2>should be sad, This will go great. You know, I

794
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>actually hate that. Yeah, scummy as fuck.

795
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 3>So there had been quite an extensive search for Lacey.

796
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.800
<v Speaker 3>A search was done along Dry Creek, an area Lacey

797
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 3>would have been walking the dog. The search included helicopters

798
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.639
<v Speaker 3>K nine units, water rescue units, along with numerous officers.

799
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Lacey's loved ones and volunteers also took part in the search.

800
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Extensive.

801
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like they did.

802
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 2>A lot.

803
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Flyers were posted, press conferences were held. An initial reward

804
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 3>of twenty five thousand was offered. That was later increased

805
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 3>to two hundred and fifty thousand and five hundred thousand

806
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 3>for information leading to Lacey's safe return.

807
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

808
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 3>It was reported that in the hundreds were searching for Lacey,

809
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 3>and considering the story had such significant media coverage, like,

810
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it was even more than that almost likely.

811
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's uh, that's awesome for them for actually getting

812
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>that kind of community involvement.

813
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until April thirteenth, and I've mentioned the state

814
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 3>that a couple outwalking their dog came across a decomposing

815
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 3>but apparently well preserved body of a male fetus in

816
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 3>a marsh area of the San Francisco shore in Richmond's

817
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Point Isabelle Regional Shoreline Park, which is a mouthful which

818
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 3>is north of Berkeley. The babies and bilical cord was

819
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 3>still attached, appearing to have been torn. And two very

820
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 3>interesting things in regards to this baby, who was later

821
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 3>identified to be Connor. Connor had twine knotted around his

822
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.639
<v Speaker 3>neck and his ear was pinned down with.

823
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Tape with tape.

824
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 3>So it was like folded and pinned with tape. What fuck,

825
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 3>which could indicate that he was potentially handled outside of

826
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Lacy's body.

827
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that most likely would indication.

828
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 3>I know it was always said potentially, but I mean

829
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 3>like the fact that he had I don't know, we're

830
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 3>going to go into this a bit more here, but

831
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 3>like this is it doesn't make any sense.

832
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I can understand it's not with certainty, but I could

833
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 2>say it's with utmost well, it's it's almost certain that

834
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.800
<v Speaker 2>it's an indication of that.

835
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, and what I was going to say, I was

836
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 3>going to say this a little bit later, but I'll

837
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 3>say it now. It doesn't make sense though that Connor's

838
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 3>body was like in better shape then, right, because the

839
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 3>idea that maybe it was in better shape because it

840
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 3>was actually in Lacey's body and then like came out later. Okay, yeah, right,

841
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 3>which makes sense that it would be in better shape,

842
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 3>But then how would it have gotten like tape on

843
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 3>its ear in the water.

844
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's not going to get tape. Like

845
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>tape doesn't just adhere and then pin something down on

846
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>its own, I know, especially without water. We've all had

847
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 2>like a little ball of tape or something get stuck

848
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 2>in her hand. It gets stuck on you, but it

849
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't pin shit down. It's not it's not going to

850
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, I went to bet our sleep last

851
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 2>night in my bed after wrapping Christmas presents, and I

852
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 2>woke up my eyes were tape shut I don't know

853
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 2>how that happened.

854
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 3>It's like what, Yeah, Like it's super weird evidence, Like

855
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>that's fucking weird that.

856
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>That's the twine. I could see like getting tanked.

857
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I could see that, but not the tape.

858
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Not the tape.

859
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Not the tape. The tape don't make sense.

860
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Lacey's body would be found the following day, about one

861
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 3>mile away from where Connor was found. The corpse was

862
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 3>wearing beige pants a maternity bra, but was in really

863
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 3>rough shape. Lacey's body was decapitated and her limbs were missing,

864
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 3>so it's basically just her torso that was found.

865
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

866
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Following the discovery of the bodies, Scott would be

867
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 3>arrested on April eighteenth, two thousand and three. He was

868
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>in he was at a golf course in San Diego.

869
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:56.400
<v Speaker 2>And how far off was were the bodies found from

870
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 2>where he went fishing.

871
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I kind of touched a little bit on

872
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.880
<v Speaker 3>that later in like the court, but it was in

873
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 3>like kind of the general area, gotcha, I'll mention something

874
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 3>about it here in a bit. So he was meeting

875
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 3>his father and brother to play golf when he got arrested.

876
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 3>He had his hair dyed blonde, and his car was

877
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 3>overstuffed with many items the police would find suspicious, including

878
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 3>thousands of dollars in cash, survival and camping gear for

879
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 3>cell phones, his brother's driver's license, and Viagra tablets.

880
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>That I didn't expect that one, but all right, nothing

881
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>wrong with it. Just caught me off guard.

882
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 3>I know, like that. That's yeah. It was explained to

883
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 3>the police that Scott used his brother's license the day

884
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 3>prior to get a San Diego resident discount at the

885
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 3>golf course, and that he'd be living He's been living

886
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 3>out of his car trying to avoid the media.

887
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. He should have tried to go for

888
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>a senior's discount with that via he gez. Sorry, I

889
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>had to say it.

890
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 3>I also think though, like avoiding the media could also

891
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 3>explain his diet hair as well, right, like, yeah, he

892
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 3>was just trying not to be recognized and like he

893
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.800
<v Speaker 3>was having a tough time with the media the media

894
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 3>really like cool.

895
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I could definitely see that. But there are definitely

896
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can explain all the items, say per se,

897
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>but well, I'm just saying if someone is able to

898
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>explain them all, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Okay, if

899
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you can say, well, I have this for this, I

900
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 2>have this for this, I have this for this. But

901
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they're all there together is quite coincidental.

902
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it doesn't really paint the best picture for Scott.

903
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 2>No, so it's pretty damning.

904
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of shit that this

905
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 3>guy did that. Just like if he didn't do this,

906
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like odd. Oh yeah, so this the

907
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 3>police suspected that Scott planned to flee to Mexico, with

908
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the border being close to San Diego. That's what they thought,

909
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 3>which I mean, look, what the fuck was in his car?

910
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Was he actually on the golf course when he's arrested.

911
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 3>No, he was like he was driving there, like there,

912
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 3>guy's gonna.

913
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Say, if he was going to run to Mexico, he

914
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 2>would have not had played one last round of golf.

915
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>He would have been caught on the road. But if

916
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 2>he was caught on the road, then okay.

917
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but like I don't think that he was actively

918
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 3>fleeing at that point either though, fair like he was

919
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 3>on the route way to go play golf, gotcha. So

920
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>On April twenty first, two thousand and three, Scott was

921
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 3>charged with the first degree murder of Lacy and second

922
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 3>degree murder of Connor. He pleaded not guilty and was

923
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:01.599
<v Speaker 3>held without bail. Scott was represented by Mark Girgis, who

924
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 3>had done other high profile criminal defense work. The trial

925
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 3>took place in Redwood City, just over two hours from Modesto.

926
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Some believed the trial should have taken place much further

927
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 3>away to give Scott a chance to have an unbiased trial.

928
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 3>The trial began on June one, two thousand and four.

929
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 3>The lead prosecutor was Rick Diastell. There's many things to

930
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 3>note from the trial. First off, Scott's defense lawyers based

931
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 3>their case on the lack of direct evidence and played

932
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 3>down the significance of circumstantial evidence. Oh interesting only because

933
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the only forensic evidence identified was one hair that matched

934
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 3>through DNA to be Lacy's and was found stuck to

935
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 3>pliers on Scott's boat. That was really the only like

936
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 3>direct evidence. Everything else was pretty much circumstantial.

937
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean that could be circumstantial too. I mean they

938
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>lived together how many times on that work, and I

939
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.679
<v Speaker 2>pull like your hair out of my butt.

940
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say, like, yeah, you told me

941
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 3>you pulled my hair on your ass.

942
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>So it's not out of my ass. It's not like

943
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>in there. But you know what I mean.

944
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I mean like I don't know. Like with

945
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 3>long hair, it just gets places. Yeah, it gets places.

946
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Hair in general gets places. Look at my beard hair,

947
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.480
<v Speaker 2>you find my ha The best place to put a

948
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.880
<v Speaker 2>beard hair is on the urinals, just saying.

949
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, that's disgusting, really long disgusting. Okay. So, prosecutors

950
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 3>claimed Scott made cement anchors to weigh Lacey's body down. However,

951
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>none were found when the bay was searched, even though

952
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 3>sonar could locate small objects on the seafloor. Because of

953
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 3>the way Lacey's body was found, it was believed her

954
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 3>limbs were weighed down with anchors, which makes sense. Scott

955
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 3>had cement in his warehouse that he used to make

956
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 3>himself one single anchor, but prosecutors believed marks on the

957
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 3>floor indicated he made more than one anchor.

958
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Marks on the floor, Marks on the floor, okay.

959
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 3>It was tested by the defense how likely it would

960
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 3>be that a person could dump a body Lacey's size

961
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 3>from a boat like Scott's with the weight of the

962
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 3>anchors attached, and it seemed to be impossible without having

963
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 3>the boat capsize. So they tested this. They had this

964
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 3>a video. Because the judge deemed the test to not

965
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:48.039
<v Speaker 3>be similar enough to what the prosecution presented had occurred,

966
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 3>the tape of this wasn't able to be introduced. Oh shit,

967
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 3>so I'm just like going through just some random weird

968
00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:02.239
<v Speaker 3>things about the court. Rou Com Cuters also presented as

969
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 3>evidence during the trial how Scott had changed his appearance

970
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 3>and purchased a vehicle using his mother's name in order

971
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 3>to avoid recognition by the press, and how he had

972
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 3>added two porn channels to his cable service only days

973
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 3>after Lacey's disappearance. They believe this meant he knew his

974
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 3>wife wouldn't be returning home. What yeah, that actually like

975
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 3>came the fuck up.

976
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 2>That's absolute malarchy, which I think is like.

977
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.559
<v Speaker 3>People watch porn, yeah, and I mean the amount of

978
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 3>porn that's consumed. Like it's not just single people that

979
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 3>are consuming it.

980
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 2>No, definitely not. There are plenty of people in relationships

981
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>who consentually watch porn with and without the other individual.

982
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And whether it's the other person does or doesn't know,

983
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 2>it's completely irrelevant. People do it.

984
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but they I mean that brought up just

985
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 3>to like paint him being this probably like sexual obsessed person.

986
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Really right.

987
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what the study was, but I read

988
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 2>this article quite a few years ago about some study

989
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 2>someone tried to do on a college campus about guys

990
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and something to do with like why they didn't watch porn.

991
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Some poll they were taking. However, they could not find

992
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>a single male who did not watch porn. Wow, So.

993
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 3>What does that tell you? Eh?

994
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, Yeah, people watch porn YEP.

995
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.159
<v Speaker 3>A hydrologist was also brought into the courtroom by the

996
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 3>prosecution as an expert witness on tides of the San

997
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Francisco Bay. A big piece for them was that Scott

998
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 3>was fishing in the area Lacey was found, but during

999
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 3>cross examination it was admitted by the hydrodrologist that his

1000
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:19.199
<v Speaker 3>findings were probable, not precise, that title systems are sufficiently chaotic,

1001
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 3>and he was unable to develop an exact model of

1002
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 3>the body's disposal and travel, so his information is null. Yeah,

1003
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 3>but they still have, like the prosecution still had him

1004
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:31.559
<v Speaker 3>in there.

1005
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

1006
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 3>Which is It's just like everything is just so wow.

1007
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>This seems like one of those cases where they are

1008
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to make the evidence fit. They're not trying

1009
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.519
<v Speaker 2>to follow the evidence. They have evidence and they're making

1010
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it fit their perception of what happened.

1011
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, and I didn't put this in the end, but

1012
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 3>remember how I said, all those sightings of her walking

1013
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 3>didn't make it to court. It's because they didn't fit.

1014
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 3>The police bare even went and investigated those, like talk

1015
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 3>to the people really like it was just like that

1016
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 3>doesn't fit into this timeline, Like no, which is beyond

1017
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 3>nuts because there was a lot of them that is so.

1018
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Fucked Are you are going to be talking about that

1019
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that break and enter the burglary?

1020
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeakay, that's kind Oh that's coming. Okay, we're almost

1021
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 3>done here. So obviously the affair Scott had come up,

1022
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 3>and the contents of the secretly recorded phone calls also

1023
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.280
<v Speaker 3>came up, which was evidence to go against Scott's character

1024
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 3>and uses like a potential motive. The prosecution presented Scott's affair,

1025
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 3>his desire to be single again, financial problems, and impending

1026
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 3>fatherhood as motives for the murder. In the end, the

1027
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 3>jury convicted Scott of two counts of murder, first degree

1028
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 3>murder for killing Lacy and second degree murder for killing

1029
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the feet she carried. He was sentenced to death by

1030
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 3>lethal injects. Holy really really. Jurors stated in later press

1031
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 3>appearances they felt Scott's demeir, specifically his lack of emotion

1032
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 3>and the phone calls to Amber days following Lacy's disappearance,

1033
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 3>indicated his guilt. That does not seem like enough to

1034
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 3>indicate guilt.

1035
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.000
<v Speaker 2>How does that indicate guilt?

1036
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 3>The fact that he sat in the courtroom with like

1037
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 3>little emotion.

1038
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1039
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Others said they based their verdict on hundreds of small

1040
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 3>puzzle pieces of circumstantial evidence that came out during the trial.

1041
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, circumstantial evidence, yes, but.

1042
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I quickly wanted to go over a few

1043
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 3>other possible theories to what may have happened to Lacey. Okay,

1044
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 3>us with it that burglary I mentioned earlier that happened

1045
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.360
<v Speaker 3>across the street from the Peterson's home, Well, there's actually

1046
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot a lot to it, and it never came

1047
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 3>up in court really because it was deemed as solved

1048
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 3>with the people in custody saying they did the burglary

1049
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 3>on the twenty sixth rather than the twenty fourth, and

1050
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 3>the police accepted this.

1051
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they just accepted it. There's like, okay, but.

1052
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:33.000
<v Speaker 3>If you remember, that's basically impossible. Yeah, because on the

1053
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Speaker 3>twenty sixth, the streets would have been lined with reporters, right,

1054
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 3>so an incident of men stealing what they stole was

1055
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 3>a safe from the house would not have gone unnoticed.

1056
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 2>And there was an eyewitness that day on Christmas Eve,

1057
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.840
<v Speaker 2>which they're just like nope.

1058
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.360
<v Speaker 3>Also, when one of the cues was interviewed in regards

1059
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 3>to the burglary, some of the first words out of

1060
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 3>the mouth out of his mouth were I had nothing

1061
00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 3>to do with the pregnant girl.

1062
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 2>What.

1063
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't even provoked really, that was not followed up on.

1064
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Rather just stated we're not here to talk about the

1065
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:13.239
<v Speaker 3>pregnant girl. I want to talk to you about the burglary.

1066
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.280
<v Speaker 2>What. As soon as they mentioned the pregnant girl, your

1067
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 2>your question should have been what pregnant girl?

1068
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you should have switched some gears there and

1069
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.880
<v Speaker 3>been like, what do you mean?

1070
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck?

1071
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Like that's doesn't that make you almost like a

1072
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 3>goosebumps a little.

1073
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I already knew this.

1074
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.519
<v Speaker 3>I solved this game at the beginning. There was also

1075
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 3>mention of this burglary within prison on a phone call

1076
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 3>that ended up being taped. It was basically mentioned that

1077
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Lacey confronted the men at the house and they threatened her.

1078
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 3>That tape was handed over to the Modesto police. But

1079
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 3>at this time, guess what's missing?

1080
00:57:56.559 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Ope, the tape. I'm about to fucking rage. Quit this

1081
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 2>whole episode. I'm sorry, but what the fuck like?

1082
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 3>It is just mind blowing. Okay, this is another mind

1083
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 3>blowing thing. So another really mess up theory is how

1084
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.920
<v Speaker 3>many missing women there's been in the missing pregnant women

1085
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 3>story in the area. Apparently between nineteen ninety nine and

1086
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two, seven pregnant women have disappeared totally

1087
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 3>shit really, three in Modesto and four within eighty miles

1088
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 3>of Modesto.

1089
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a fucking pattern, like.

1090
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>A serial killer or something.

1091
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1092
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 3>One victim, Evelyn Hernandez. She was found only six months

1093
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 3>prior to Lacey going missing. She was also eight months pregnant,

1094
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:51.800
<v Speaker 3>also washed up on the shore of the San Francisco Bay,

1095
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 3>and was in relatively the same condition as Lacey was

1096
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 3>found in.

1097
00:58:56.199 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 2>The actual fuck, maybe they could investigate that instead of

1098
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 2>making all this shit fit Scott not to say that

1099
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Scott's not a fucking complete dbag. He is, clearly. However,

1100
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he committed this crime.

1101
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:11.480
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm not certain that he did.

1102
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like ninety nine fucking percent.

1103
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I'm just gonna say, if you aren't to

1104
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 3>dive into two more, I suggest there's a documentary that

1105
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I watch. It's The Murder of Lacy Peterson. It's on

1106
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Amazon Prime. Because there's even more mention in this documentary

1107
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.360
<v Speaker 3>of these theories. I don't have this written down, but

1108
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.000
<v Speaker 3>it was like, on that same day that Lacey was

1109
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:41.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, kidnapped or disappeared, another pregnant women woman

1110
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 3>almost got taken.

1111
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

1112
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

1113
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Was that investigated?

1114
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Not really? So it's it's honestly, like just it's just

1115
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 3>beyond fucked.

1116
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck is in charge of this shit?

1117
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1118
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Is it like Officer Doofy from the how You Fucking

1119
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Like Scream? Not scream scary movie? So I wouldn't be surprised, geez.

1120
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.159
<v Speaker 3>There's also the theory she was killed by a satanic

1121
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 3>cult as a sacrifice. So there's just like so many theories.

1122
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to go into a lot of detail

1123
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 3>in that one. But apparently Modesta wasn't the quiet little

1124
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.960
<v Speaker 3>town some thought it was. It was just an illusion.

1125
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if the cult needed pregnant people,

1126
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.679
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know, but like, go watch this documentary.

1127
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Do we know if there was anything actually stolen from

1128
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the neighbor's house the breaking ner.

1129
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes, a safe I think was so safe? Yeah? Was

1130
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 3>that it as far as I know?

1131
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, huh. So here's here's my theory. So those

1132
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.920
<v Speaker 2>people went on vacation the same day that the house

1133
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 2>was broken into.

1134
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm okay, like I think an hour before it

1135
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 3>was pretty much an hour before it was broken into.

1136
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 3>They left like an hour before the house was broken into.

1137
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 2>So these people, in my opinion, clearly had knowledge of

1138
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>These people leaving clearly had knowledge there was a safe

1139
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 2>in the house. So it was someone who'd at least

1140
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 2>been in the house, someone who's been in the neighborhood,

1141
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 2>someone who may have a history of kidnapping and taking

1142
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 2>pregnant women, who may have seen the neighbor across the street,

1143
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.920
<v Speaker 2>who may have seen her walking a dog in a

1144
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 2>specific pattern, who may have thought, I can get a

1145
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.199
<v Speaker 2>safe out of this house when they leave and I

1146
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:31.960
<v Speaker 2>can get a pregnant woman all in the same go

1147
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:38.039
<v Speaker 2>h and that's exactly what fucking happened. And then, like

1148
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.159
<v Speaker 2>you say, learnt on the news that oh so and

1149
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.159
<v Speaker 2>so probably dumped the body when it was out in

1150
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the bay fishing. Shit, that's exactly where I'm gonna dump her,

1151
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and so he did. However, he's got a fucking pregnant

1152
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 2>woman fetish, and he has some sort of fetish with

1153
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the fetus. He takes the fetus out, mutilates her body,

1154
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.079
<v Speaker 2>dumps her. I don't know what he does with the fetus,

1155
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but he probably has a little more care with it

1156
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 2>because it's an unborn child. But he ends up dumping

1157
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it too and gets away fucking scott free. I know.

1158
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 3>It's actually interesting to know if there's any more disappearances

1159
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:21.760
<v Speaker 3>or anything of pregnant women. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, okay,

1160
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 3>like gosh, this documentary is just coming back in my

1161
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.360
<v Speaker 3>head because there was even at some point someone had

1162
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:34.119
<v Speaker 3>like sighted a pregnant women that looked like Lacey Peet

1163
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.119
<v Speaker 3>or like had stopped to pee or whatever something outside

1164
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of Van oh, like.

1165
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.000
<v Speaker 2>On the side of the road. Yeah, oh shit.

1166
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 3>But then there's like there was also these big problems

1167
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.559
<v Speaker 3>that she was wearing her body found washed up, was

1168
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:53.639
<v Speaker 3>wearing tan pants, but then like Scott had said that day,

1169
01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.920
<v Speaker 3>she was wearing black pants, So I don't know there,

1170
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 3>but like who knows, maybe they had a change of

1171
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 3>pants or something for her, Like I don't know if. Okay,

1172
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 3>So that back to that documentary. It's six episodes, so

1173
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.599
<v Speaker 3>it's like a bit of a time commitment. But so

1174
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:09.480
<v Speaker 3>if you don't have that much time, I would at

1175
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.039
<v Speaker 3>least watch the last episode because it was so eye

1176
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:17.119
<v Speaker 3>opening and goes into so many details about theories and

1177
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.199
<v Speaker 3>like what was potentially like missed and everything.

1178
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I think so much was fucking missed in this case.

1179
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.760
<v Speaker 3>It's Yeah, So Scott remains in prison. His death sentence

1180
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:32.199
<v Speaker 3>was overturned due to jurors apparently being dismissed who opposed

1181
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 3>capital punishment, and there is currently the possibility Scott could

1182
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:43.159
<v Speaker 3>get a new trial. Okay, from my understanding, there is

1183
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 3>an uppending ger misconduct issue that it judges to rule

1184
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 3>on by the end of September of this year, twenty

1185
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty two, whether Scott will be granted a new trial.

1186
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you should. But in a new trial, that's

1187
01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.559
<v Speaker 2>there's major problems with new trials though, because stuff that

1188
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>was used in previous trials can't be used again. Ken

1189
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 2>it Oh, I don't think so. Anyways, I could be incorrect,

1190
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:11.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm pretty sure stuff that has been previously used

1191
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:13.360
<v Speaker 2>in a trial cannot be used again.

1192
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1193
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 3>But honestly, that could be good because like, look at

1194
01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 3>how many like they could bring in the burglary. They

1195
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 3>could bring in all the eyewitnesses for the lock.

1196
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.880
<v Speaker 2>However, what if there is stuff that was used in

1197
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.400
<v Speaker 2>this previous trial that was important. What if Scott did

1198
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.119
<v Speaker 2>do it? What if they bring in all the information

1199
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:34.039
<v Speaker 2>they do still find out that it was Scott.

1200
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean even if one if there was a

1201
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 3>problem like with one juror, there was still eleven other

1202
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.960
<v Speaker 3>jurors that you know, said this dude's guilty. Yeah he is.

1203
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:52.519
<v Speaker 3>He is entitled to twelve jurors. So I don't know.

1204
01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 3>If this goes back to court, that could be something

1205
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 3>super interesting.

1206
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Eh oh Yeah. And my personal opinion, from what we've discussed,

1207
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Scott did it. I've already described my

1208
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:06.559
<v Speaker 2>theory and I think that's exactly what it played out.

1209
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:08.639
<v Speaker 2>It's got to be someone known to that family across

1210
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the street, whether very well known, someone who's been inside

1211
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the house that I know, or maybe not even inside

1212
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the house, but someone who knows him personally, coworker or

1213
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 2>something like that, and they just so happened to be

1214
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.519
<v Speaker 2>a fucking pregnant woman killer. That's what I think.

1215
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I have a lot of trouble with

1216
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 3>such a lack of evidence. Yeah, really being able to

1217
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 3>be like, yeah, he did it.

1218
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.360
<v Speaker 2>And the overlooked evidence. The overlooked evidence is the problem

1219
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:46.519
<v Speaker 2>with me making the shit fit their theory without trying

1220
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to follow the evidence and find out where it leads,

1221
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:50.800
<v Speaker 2>because you miss shit that way.

1222
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 3>And so Scott's family is like very actively still trying

1223
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.920
<v Speaker 3>to fight for his innocence. He's still actively to this

1224
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.440
<v Speaker 3>day says that he's innocent as well. I mean, I'm

1225
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.400
<v Speaker 3>sure there are people in jail who have committed crimes.

1226
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.079
<v Speaker 2>You say that, Yeah, the serial killer in the cell

1227
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>next to them. Yeah, me too, Bud, Right.

1228
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.719
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, but yeah, it's it's the media

1229
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.159
<v Speaker 3>had I feel like, made this very cut and dry,

1230
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.280
<v Speaker 3>and they even said, like there was so many reports

1231
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 3>that put out that later were wrong, or like articles

1232
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.559
<v Speaker 3>that later were wrong, but they never retract them, right,

1233
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 3>They just like move on to the next thing.

1234
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like that with any case and any any

1235
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of new source that covers cases like this. They

1236
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.320
<v Speaker 2>will vilify someone until they find out they were wrong,

1237
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.280
<v Speaker 2>and they'll do that for views or what ratings or

1238
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.679
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. When they find out they're wrong, they

1239
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 2>don't generally do an apology or retract it. They just

1240
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 2>stop talking about it and move on to something else.

1241
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Or if they do retract it where no one reads that,

1242
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.119
<v Speaker 3>it's probably in some tiny ass fine print somewhere or

1243
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:01.920
<v Speaker 3>in the magazine or whatever right.

1244
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, or if it is like on a TV bulletin

1245
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.639
<v Speaker 2>where it's like the news anchor talking about it, it'll

1246
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.400
<v Speaker 2>probably be in the fucking bottom of the credits that

1247
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 2>scroll by at the end of the fucking show or

1248
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 2>something like yeah shit, because ratings money, they don't want

1249
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.760
<v Speaker 2>to be perceived as incorrect.

1250
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:22.559
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. So just really quickly, I want to like

1251
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:26.000
<v Speaker 3>thank everyone for their patients my voice. I feel like

1252
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.480
<v Speaker 3>it did not bad, and then I'd also like I'll

1253
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.639
<v Speaker 3>put a post on social tomorrow. But I'm like so

1254
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 3>curious to just know what other people think, Yeah.

1255
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Where do you think? Uh, where do you think the

1256
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.159
<v Speaker 2>whole thing lies? Is it in scott or is it

1257
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.239
<v Speaker 2>in someone else's responsibility?

1258
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so let us know what you think.

1259
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And of course don't forget to check us out

1260
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, Facebook. All the good social links are in

1261
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.639
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1262
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.760
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1263
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 2>up for the all access patron and and.

1264
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.320
<v Speaker 3>And there's more. Of course, stay wicked