WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:56.320 Yes, okay, it's a search warrant and we're live. You 2 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.880 can listen to on some on kJ R, a radio rumble, uh, 3 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.799 LinkedIn Facebook, iHeart, Spotify. 4 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.280 And more. 5 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.840 We're broadcasting from Salt Lake City, Utah. And that's a 6 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.599 bell in New York. The title of this episode, which 7 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.959 is breaking news, is press control and misconduct at Penn State. 8 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.200 And uh. Two of the things I can tell you 9 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:31.040 about is is uh, as we probably all know, UH, 10 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:35.719 money is the root of all evil. So it's uh 11 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:41.159 uh I think we'll be covering that significantly today and 12 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:47.239 critical thinking. Money is the root of all evil and 13 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.920 critical thinking. So who do we have to begin with. 14 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:56.239 We've got we've got to fight some uh technical issues. 15 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.000 But so far we've got that Detective Jake Jacobs from 16 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.439 fill Healthy Homicide and the Answer and Ball Shooting Unit. Jake, 17 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:08.120 how you doing? And we've got our correspondent from Tennessee, 18 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:13.000 veteran ci A special agent at Great Highlands. 19 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:13.800 Good morning. 20 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.199 Here man. Those geese were still in the air. 21 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:19.719 Exciting, aren't they? 22 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:24.800 Okay, so we've got you know, we've got several special 23 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:31.919 guests to discuss this, to include investigative reporter Ralphs of Riano. Bill, 24 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:38.479 can you bring it rough up? Can you bring rap up? 25 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:41.800 We? 26 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:42.599 Can you hear us? 27 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:43.719 Yes? 28 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.120 Okay, good morning? 29 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.080 How's going on? 30 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:49.719 And you've got a cool, calm and collected. 31 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.280 You've got a piano in the background. 32 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.360 Now that's a background. I was playing it eight minutes ago. 33 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:00.039 Strauss Waltz and case you guys. 34 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:04.280 Are And we've got investigative reporter Frank Parlato. 35 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:06.960 Can you bring Frank up? 36 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:18.120 Can you hear can you hear us? Okay? So let's 37 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:26.039 try producer. Can't hear so. 38 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:30.520 Smoke signals? 39 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:35.039 Yeah, well, apparently Frank has some problems. 40 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.159 Jake, you le pans ver since I saw you? Laughs? 41 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:39.520 Thank you? I'm losing week? 42 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:41.000 Is that what it is? 43 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.280 No, Frank, can you hear us? 44 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:44.840 Can hear you? 45 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:50.000 You hear me? Okay? Great? Yes, yes, okay. 46 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.759 So we got too many Italians on this broadcast. That's 47 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:55.080 gonna be. 48 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:01.240 Out not to be out there by Scott's. 49 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:02.599 Right. 50 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:09.280 Okay. So we're also trying to get coach tick Anderson on, 51 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:16.199 but he's having some technical difficulties. So uh, we're flying 52 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:18.360 by the seat of our pants without the producers trying 53 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.680 to get so anyway, let me tell you. You know, 54 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.600 Ralph has put out some articles that will go through. 55 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.959 Ralph put out an article on this breaking news and 56 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.839 you can see that at big trial dot com or 57 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:43.079 Ralph actually substick ye, Ralph substack and uh Frank parla 58 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.759 Investigative Report. Ralph or a Frank Parlato has done a 59 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.079 lot of work on this just recently. I mean it's 60 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:53.000 a flory of stuff and you can follow him at 61 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:59.879 at Real Frank Reports on Twitter. So, as I said 62 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:04.000 in the beginning, I think it boils down to these 63 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.360 two things for this breaking news. One money is the 64 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:13.040 root of all evil and two there's no critical thinking 65 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.680 happening in twenty eleven and twenty twenty twelve, twenty twelve. 66 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:24.399 So Frank, if you can, well, let's do this. I mean, 67 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.079 this has a lot to do with This is interesting 68 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:32.800 and very timely. Charlie Kirk, who was just assassinated the 69 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.279 week before he was assassinated, said this a week before 70 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.959 he was assassinated. Charlie Kirk referenced to Sandusky case. You 71 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.240 saw this with the Chance Jerry Sandusky case in Penn State. 72 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.000 You can get a bandwagon effect where a lot of 73 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.879 people use half truths to be able to get money 74 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.279 from a guy that obviously had a lot of assets. 75 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.519 Well not really, and I think the guy he's referring 76 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:05.279 to is penn State University, right, So before we get 77 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.920 into this, let's just uh uh refamily or I use 78 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:16.639 you with the with what's happening. This is Jerry Sandusky, 79 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:21.839 defensive coordinator for a kind of state university before the 80 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:31.000 bullshit allegations hit the fan, just to you have an idea. 81 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:39.279 That's that's Aryan Johnnie Sandusky, who is h as we 82 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:44.879 speak in uh speaking with Jerry in person. And then 83 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:52.759 we've got these guys, uh, Frank Fina and Joe Uh 84 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:59.040 there are former deputy assistant Deputy Attorney generals for the 85 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:05.040 state of Pennsylvania and they both have some serious ronalds. So, Frank, 86 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.720 you were kind of enough to break this thing. Can 87 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.879 you give us an idea of what the hell is 88 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:09.240 going on? 89 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:19.199 Well, Jerry Sandusky has filed a petition under the Pennsylvania 90 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:27.759 Post Conviction Relief Act seeking an evidentiary hearing in hopes 91 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:37.560 of persuading the judiciary in Pennsylvania to vacate his previous 92 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:43.839 judgment and that would lead to potentially either a new 93 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:50.199 trial or the latter, in which case we have an 94 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:56.319 opportunity to be freed after thirteen years of incarceration. 95 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:04.680 Right, Okay, So this PCR, the pc R A submission 96 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.279 includes a lot of things that were not previously known 97 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:14.519 to to anybody, right, yeah, Yeah. 98 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:20.040 The fund foundation for a PDR is to have newly 99 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.480 evidence that was not available prior to the trial and 100 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:32.960 would be unlikely to have been available through normal due diligence. 101 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:40.120 And there are several issues that are newly discovered that 102 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:45.000 I think meet the standard of uh, not available or 103 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.559 easily or readily available even through due diligence. 104 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.840 Right, can we go through those? I'll like, what's the 105 00:08:55.279 --> 00:09:01.320 you know, don't I hesitate to it for them because 106 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:06.919 they're all equally a substantive standing alone. But can you 107 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.240 give us an idea of what they are? 108 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:17.519 Yes, Ralph knows better than I view. But the three 109 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:23.759 issues that I've done specifically was an affid David from 110 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.879 the mother of the bast gent Hayden, who is a 111 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:37.759 victim number nine in the Sandusky trial, and she has 112 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:44.919 newly discovered information that points toward her son's false testimony 113 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.720 and the fact that the two prosecutors in the case 114 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.960 not only coached her son to lie, but also that 115 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:00.919 they dipped into the prophets by taking in control of 116 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:08.919 his twelve million dollar trust, which they controlled. I believe 117 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:16.320 also they reaped a reward in the referral piece of 118 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:23.080 the contingency fee to Attorney Stephen Brains. The second newly 119 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:27.320 discovered informations that obtained the actual trust document, which goes 120 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.919 with that Frank Fina and Joseph mcgett again were the 121 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:39.200 majority members of a protective committee to control the money, 122 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.360 and the other the third member of the committee is 123 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:52.039 paid this therapist, which sets up a conflict. And the 124 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.279 third piece of newly discovered evidence is that I got 125 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:03.000 Mathaw David from Ryan Rittmeyer, victim number ten, who essentially 126 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.720 says that they coached him to lie by falsely telling 127 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.080 him that if he didn't remember it, it's because he's 128 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:23.120 blocking his month in the recovered repress memory would show 129 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:27.120 him that everything that they wanted him to say was true, 130 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.440 and they hoodwinked him. He signed an affidavit. 131 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:39.200 Yeah, okay, so we've got if I understand it correctly, 132 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:46.960 there are two victims that aren't really victims. Is that accurate? 133 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:53.399 Well, I'd even go a step farther on state that 134 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.279 none of these people were really victims. But we have 135 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:04.159 on the record number ten, the last accuser in the 136 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.879 child get come forward, and we have the mother of 137 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.279 number nine, who is the second last accuser to come forward, 138 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:27.279 who very persuasively debunks the vast majority of testimony. And 139 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.679 then there was one of the pieces of newly discovered 140 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.879 information I submitted, which was that I was in communication 141 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:39.120 with Aaron Fisher, victim number one's mother, who texted me 142 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:45.159 the Facebook messenger that it hit the portion, a very 143 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:50.159 significant portion of Aaron Fisher's testimony was not true. 144 00:12:52.360 --> 00:13:02.080 Man, that's bad. That's a very bad. It's an indicative 145 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:07.759 of this whole case. Nobody from the get go used 146 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:13.840 any critical thinking when they looked at this case. You know, 147 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:19.639 the details that they try to provide are not when 148 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:24.200 you look into them, are non existent. Anyway, let's go 149 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:30.240 through a couple of these. We've got coach Dick Anderson 150 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.480 in the background, so as soon as we get a chance, 151 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.559 we can bring them up. But Bill, can we show 152 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:48.399 a couple of websites? The first website, by the way, Bill, 153 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:57.840 can we show their websites? I think the user is 154 00:13:57.879 --> 00:13:59.039 still trying to John. 155 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.720 So you know, I'm trying to help your other guests 156 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.879 get on. Okay, So I can't hear anything you're asking 157 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.720 me to do, right Okay, So I heard you just 158 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:09.720 put up the websites? Which one do you want me 159 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:10.440 to show first? 160 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:12.360 The first one? Okay? 161 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.639 And I think before we do that, let's just make 162 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.600 sure that your guests the coach is also setting ready 163 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.679 to go while Okay, and Dick, can you hear us? 164 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.120 And can you hear uh? Let's see if we can 165 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:25.399 hear you. 166 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:28.080 Uh uh. 167 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:30.960 Dick looks frozen. 168 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.600 If he's there, he's moving. I think I may have 169 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.639 to call him. He's I think he's blinking. 170 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:37.960 Guys. 171 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.360 Oh he's moving yea. So now I'm gonna see if 172 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.960 I could work with him offline again. Okay, So I'm 173 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:47.720 gonna put up the websites. Do you are you just 174 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.240 want me to put up that one right now? Because 175 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.240 I got to work with him again. 176 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.159 Yeah, we can get a little background on this thing. 177 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:02.080 Let's go with all right, have a great show, guys, okay, hmm, Okay, 178 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:04.679 it's a conviction built on recovered memories. 179 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.840 Uh. An overview of the sand Dusky case, uh, can 180 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.159 Frank and Ralph, can you give us an idea of 181 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.799 what the hell brought us to this point for people 182 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.759 that have no idea what the hell is going on? 183 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.120 And Ralph, we can't hear it? 184 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.919 You not made it now you are. 185 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:59.120 Geez okay, Ralph? Can you can you hear us? Ralph? 186 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:04.320 H Frank, you can hear us? 187 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:04.519 Right? 188 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:05.200 Yes? 189 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:05.600 I can? 190 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:11.039 Okay? How about while Roth is fighting at technical issues, 191 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.639 if you can give us an idea of you know, 192 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.720 you put that article out to try to set the 193 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.320 stage for this. Can you give us an idea how 194 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:29.440 we got here? It's it's this article, right, So if 195 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.159 you can just give us a little idea of what 196 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:32.799 the hell. 197 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.759 There was a defensive coordinator by the name of Jerry 198 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:43.840 sam Dusky who for thirty years approximately was with the 199 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:50.759 Penn State coaching staff fairly successfully. Working with Joe Paterno. 200 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.679 He started the charity called the Second Mile, which was 201 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:07.680 to reach out and provide some charitable support for young boys, 202 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:14.519 teenagers and three teens to maybe give him a opportunity 203 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.680 to not run into trouble. And they had camp and 204 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:25.119 other things they did, and Jerry got a little involved 205 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:30.200 in trying to mentor some of these young men, and 206 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:37.640 in two thousand and Devin, I believe one of these 207 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:43.960 young men by the name of Aaron Fisher. He he 208 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:48.119 resisted Jerry's attempts to mentor him on a particular weekend 209 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.400 because he had something to do that was more entertaining 210 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.960 and he get out of having to go with Jerry. 211 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:02.880 He told his mother that he had some suspicions. His 212 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:10.839 mother then conflated that into a suspected abuse, and although 213 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:16.279 he initially denied any abuse, social workers, the police, and 214 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:21.000 then ultimately a therapist by the name of Mike Gilham 215 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:27.680 began treating him. And Gilliam believed in repressed recovered memories. 216 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.119 It was his theory that Aaron, despite him saying he 217 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:37.240 wasn't abused, was actually abused, and over a six month 218 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:45.759 period he successfully quote unquote restored Aaron's memory of abuse. 219 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:53.559 Right, Okay, so did gillim profited all as a result 220 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.160 of oh well, can hear you? 221 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:58.119 How good? 222 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:00.640 He wrote a book as Frank and tell you go 223 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:01.279 ahead brain. 224 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:08.720 Well he did author and it began almost from the 225 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:13.319 inception a book called Silent No More, which he wrote 226 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:20.839 with his patient Fisher and the mother of Fisher, Dawn Fisher, 227 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:31.839 and Gillam was a believer in repressed memories. That is, like, 228 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:37.400 probably most of us remember the most traumatic events in 229 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.759 our life front and center, but he believed that we 230 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:46.880 forget our most traumatic moments and he had the ability 231 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:51.240 to recover those memories for us. In the case of 232 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:55.519 Aaron Fisher, he helped him remember that just a few 233 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.839 months ago, just a few months prior, Aaron was being 234 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.200 subjected to forced mutual fuatio. 235 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:11.720 Aaron, Frank, just to put an explanation point on us. 236 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.400 You know, everybody remembers each and every vehicle accident they've 237 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:21.200 been in, right, But if you're forced to, if you're 238 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:26.680 being sexually solid, you don't remember that shit. It's just unbelievable. 239 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.160 Frank, who came up with the suspicions Aaron originally saying 240 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.359 what his suspicious were that his mom ended up conflating 241 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:37.960 to whatever she completed injured. 242 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.160 No, I think he just wanted to get out of 243 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.960 Caving to go with Jerry for the weekend. He had 244 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:53.240 to do some some of his commitments to fulfill obligations 245 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:57.519 for the Second Mild Charity. He did not want to go. 246 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.279 He wanted to go out with his friend. His mother 247 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.400 had a weekend planned, an exciting weekend that would not 248 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:11.279 involve having her son hanging around the house. It arranged 249 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:16.559 for babysitters for the two younger children, and Aaron then 250 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:20.599 had to use a little bit of his wiliness. How 251 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.720 does he get out of having to go with Jerry 252 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.440 so he can hang with his friends. So he went 253 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.279 to his mother and said, this is the genesis of 254 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.839 the whole Sandusky avalanche. He said, Mom, how do you 255 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:41.759 look up someone on the sex offender registry? He knew 256 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.720 how to trig mother real good. She said, what I said, 257 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:54.119 I just want to see if Jerry Sandusky's on the register? 258 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.160 Why is he molested you? No, no, no, not just 259 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.240 have my concerns because he's very touchy feeling, and then 260 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.599 down concluded that he had been molested and was just 261 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.720 lying about it. She took him to the high school. 262 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:16.559 She took him to the councilors, he again denied abuse. 263 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.759 Took him to the police, he again denied abuse, and 264 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.319 finally she took him to Gilham. He denied abuse, but 265 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.200 Gilham knew better and through his therapy, and it took 266 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:33.640 seven months actually, he finally got Aaron, with almost daily 267 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.480 sessions built to the county. He finally got Aaron to 268 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:45.359 admit to what Gilham knew had happened all along, that 269 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:51.799 Fisher had forgotten that just months ago he had been 270 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:58.400 subject to repeated incidents of forcible filatio. 271 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:11.759 Okay, he couldn't remember forced fallatio. No, that in itself 272 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:17.400 is ridiculous, you know, Like I said, each one of 273 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.880 us can recount the traffic accidents that we've been involved in, 274 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.039 but if we were involved in forced fallatio, jeez, I 275 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:35.039 forgot that. Jeezus. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay. So, I mean that's 276 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.240 just the other thing is is that two of the 277 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:45.599 victims essentially don't say the way, don't say events happened 278 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:51.279 the way they did, they weren't necessarily victims, which casts 279 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:57.279 out on all the other victims stories. And in the 280 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:04.519 interim you've got a former disgraced by the way, deputy 281 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.079 Attorney generals for the pathetic Pennsylvania State Attorney General's Office 282 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:18.119 Fena and mcgedigan and mcguinnigan's girlfriend, by the way, financially 283 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.200 profiting as part of the trust fund for the victims. 284 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:26.319 I never heard that one before. 285 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.839 I wouldn't there wouldn't there be some kind of safeguard 286 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:40.920 so the alleged, an alleged unethical attorney couldn't have access 287 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:41.880 to the trust funds. 288 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:53.920 You know, Uh, I think it's son so unique. I 289 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.200 don't think there's any any loss, like a brand new crime. 290 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:01.079 It's yeah, I don't think any prosecute or other than 291 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:06.400 the ingenious Frank Sina I would have thought to do this. 292 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.599 It's so remarkably raising. 293 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:15.440 Yeah, okay, so what do we know? Uh? You know, 294 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:22.480 Fina was reprimanded for uh doing for his uh involvement 295 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:27.480 in prosekeitol proseketul misconduct in this case, and he subsequently 296 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:28.200 what's he doing? 297 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:28.400 Now? 298 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.440 Remember we we touched on that, do you remember? 299 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:33.440 Yeah? 300 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:39.119 Yeah, he's the he's the the CEO of a gaming 301 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:48.519 product that that's uh infecting Pennsylvania. It's these these uh, 302 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.920 the slot machines with a slight limit of skill that 303 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:59.480 legally slipped through the loophole of not being pure gambling 304 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.599 and that you know you'll see in the convenience stores 305 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:10.880 and truck stops. They're essentially slot machines. His role is 306 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:17.000 to make these things legal by introducing a slight element 307 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.960 of skills, so they don't qualify as pure. 308 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:27.279 Right, Well, that's a quite quite delepe from Porngate. Yeah, uh, 309 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.759 distributing pornography throughout the Attorney General's office from his own 310 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:36.119 email to now doing that. So mcgedigan, what is the 311 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.400 law firm that mcgedigan is associated with with his girlfriend? 312 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.519 Dennis mc andrews is the head of that law firm. 313 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:52.680 And they specialize and in trust, Yeah, fraudulent trust. But 314 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:58.240 I'm not be liable if they specialize. Oh, and they 315 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:04.119 specialize in like in the case of the Sebastian Paytent trust, 316 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:15.039 installing control of these trusts two parties other than the beneficiary, right, 317 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:15.640 and then they. 318 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:20.880 Get if I read that correctly, you can full you 319 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:26.839 can read the full pre both on the real Frank 320 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:32.240 report as well as a Big Child or Ralph Sabrianno substack. 321 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.880 But if I understand correctly, not only did they control 322 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:43.759 the trust fund, but they also charge fees for controlling 323 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:44.519 the trust fund. 324 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:52.279 Right, that is correct, and we haven't seen the complete accounting. 325 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.039 There's a very good possibility that they hired people that 326 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:05.759 were associates of They're a self interest and they may 327 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.559 have even invested in their own enterprises. We don't know 328 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:14.079 the extent of the accounting, but I would hazard to 329 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.559 guess that the trustees made more money on it than 330 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.480 the beneficiary. Wow. 331 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.759 Yeah, it's just shocking. 332 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:23.200 Uh. 333 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:29.640 And then the beneficiary has to request money from the 334 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:38.319 attorneys that there, that are the prosecutors who who handle 335 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.000 the uh the trust fund. 336 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:42.319 Correct. 337 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.599 You know, John, you talk about critical thinking. This is so. 338 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:49.799 Late. 339 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:51.240 I mean, you can't. 340 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.119 How does a prosecutor proschute someone and then land in 341 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.240 a control of the victor. 342 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.720 Twenty million dollars pay day. It's like they paid. 343 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:06.759 This stuff is done. 344 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.359 It's not. It's it's blatant corruption. It's not. It's like, 345 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.000 how did all this stuff happen? 346 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:13.319 And no one saw it? 347 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:14.119 They all saw. 348 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.279 That's why you get they all get reshuffled now Frank, Oh, 349 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.599 I ain't gonna say, Frank parlotter from the lead. 350 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:20.720 Now Fena and. 351 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.519 Are in control of some other type of fraud with 352 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.359 the sloping g They all get reshuffled, and they all 353 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.400 stay in power, they all each other. 354 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:34.640 Can you guys hear me? 355 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:35.359 Yes? 356 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.640 I can hear you rout quiad okay, So the amazing 357 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.240 thing and Frank can tell us more when he gets on, 358 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.079 is that these guys, these two prosecutors Feena McGettigan actually 359 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:51.480 benefited financially from sending Jerry to jail, Jerry Sanduski to jail. 360 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.960 Frank is the authority on this. But and Frank, they 361 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.759 paid themselves a salary and annual salary plus an hourly 362 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.640 billing rate. That's how it was working. 363 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:12.359 Frank, we can't hear you. Can you unmute yourself? Unmute yourself? 364 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.119 Uh uh, it might be a button on the bottom 365 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:19.279 of the screen frame. 366 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.000 If you can hear us, unmute yourself. 367 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.119 Well, so the thing that really strikes me and Frank 368 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.000 and I were talking about this. Let me fill in 369 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:35.200 the gap here is that Feina and the Gedigain had 370 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:39.960 complete control of this whole situation. They had control of 371 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.839 Louis Free, the former FBI director who was doing the 372 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:48.759 civil investigation that wasn't independent. You know that we've had 373 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.279 a lot of information, which is some of it isn't 374 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.319 contained in that filing, this recent filing, which totals four 375 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.480 hundred pages, that shows that it was Frank Fina who 376 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.400 was telling Louis three what to do, which witnesses to 377 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.880 interview when he could interview him. Frank Bina had control 378 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.240 of the civil investigation. Frank Bina had control of the 379 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:17.440 media through his little girlfriend there that was basically a 380 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.480 teenager and he was leaking her whatever it needed to 381 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:25.200 be leaked to poison the jury pool against Jerry. Frank 382 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.160 Pina had control of the legal challenges on the civil side. 383 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:36.319 They filed first on behalf of Sebastian Payton. That was 384 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.079 the first person to show up at the pay window. 385 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.440 There were thirty six people at Penn State who collected 386 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.640 a total of one hundred and eighteen million, and as 387 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.559 John can tell you and Frank if you can ever 388 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.640 get him back on, there was no vetting at Penn State. 389 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.680 They didn't check out any of these crazy, constantly evolving stories. 390 00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.960 What they did was they just road checks everybody and 391 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.920 everybody got paid, so right. 392 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.319 Coach, Coach Anderson, can you hear us? Yes? 393 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:09.759 I can? 394 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.000 Okay, Hey, Dick, Hello, how you doing? Ralph? 395 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.720 Good? 396 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:16.319 How you doing? 397 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.240 Frank fat? I can hear the right, I can hear you. 398 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:20.920 Can you hear me? 399 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.960 Yes? Yeah, Hi, Dick, Frank tell the phone. 400 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.799 Hello to everybody. 401 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.640