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Speaker 1: We're broadcasting from Salt Lake City, Utah. And that's a
Speaker 1: bell in New York. The title of this episode, which
Speaker 1: is breaking news, is press control and misconduct at Penn State.
Speaker 1: And uh. Two of the things I can tell you
Speaker 1: about is is uh, as we probably all know, UH,
Speaker 1: money is the root of all evil. So it's uh
Speaker 1: uh I think we'll be covering that significantly today and
Speaker 1: critical thinking. Money is the root of all evil and
Speaker 1: critical thinking. So who do we have to begin with.
Speaker 1: We've got we've got to fight some uh technical issues.
Speaker 1: But so far we've got that Detective Jake Jacobs from
Speaker 1: fill Healthy Homicide and the Answer and Ball Shooting Unit. Jake,
Speaker 1: how you doing? And we've got our correspondent from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: veteran ci A special agent at Great Highlands.
Speaker 3: Good morning.
Speaker 1: Here man. Those geese were still in the air.
Speaker 4: Exciting, aren't they?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got you know, we've got several special
Speaker 1: guests to discuss this, to include investigative reporter Ralphs of Riano. Bill,
Speaker 1: can you bring it rough up? Can you bring rap up?
Speaker 3: We?
Speaker 1: Can you hear us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, good morning?
Speaker 2: How's going on?
Speaker 3: And you've got a cool, calm and collected.
Speaker 1: You've got a piano in the background.
Speaker 5: Now that's a background. I was playing it eight minutes ago.
Speaker 5: Strauss Waltz and case you guys.
Speaker 1: Are And we've got investigative reporter Frank Parlato.
Speaker 3: Can you bring Frank up?
Speaker 1: Can you hear can you hear us? Okay? So let's
Speaker 1: try producer. Can't hear so.
Speaker 5: Smoke signals?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, apparently Frank has some problems.
Speaker 5: Jake, you le pans ver since I saw you? Laughs?
Speaker 3: Thank you? I'm losing week?
Speaker 5: Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: No, Frank, can you hear us?
Speaker 4: Can hear you?
Speaker 1: You hear me? Okay? Great? Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 5: So we got too many Italians on this broadcast. That's
Speaker 5: gonna be.
Speaker 1: Out not to be out there by Scott's.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we're also trying to get coach tick Anderson on,
Speaker 1: but he's having some technical difficulties. So uh, we're flying
Speaker 1: by the seat of our pants without the producers trying
Speaker 1: to get so anyway, let me tell you. You know,
Speaker 1: Ralph has put out some articles that will go through.
Speaker 1: Ralph put out an article on this breaking news and
Speaker 1: you can see that at big trial dot com or
Speaker 1: Ralph actually substick ye, Ralph substack and uh Frank parla
Speaker 1: Investigative Report. Ralph or a Frank Parlato has done a
Speaker 1: lot of work on this just recently. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a flory of stuff and you can follow him at
Speaker 1: at Real Frank Reports on Twitter. So, as I said
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I think it boils down to these
Speaker 1: two things for this breaking news. One money is the
Speaker 1: root of all evil and two there's no critical thinking
Speaker 1: happening in twenty eleven and twenty twenty twelve, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: So Frank, if you can, well, let's do this. I mean,
Speaker 1: this has a lot to do with This is interesting
Speaker 1: and very timely. Charlie Kirk, who was just assassinated the
Speaker 1: week before he was assassinated, said this a week before
Speaker 1: he was assassinated. Charlie Kirk referenced to Sandusky case. You
Speaker 1: saw this with the Chance Jerry Sandusky case in Penn State.
Speaker 1: You can get a bandwagon effect where a lot of
Speaker 1: people use half truths to be able to get money
Speaker 1: from a guy that obviously had a lot of assets.
Speaker 1: Well not really, and I think the guy he's referring
Speaker 1: to is penn State University, right, So before we get
Speaker 1: into this, let's just uh uh refamily or I use
Speaker 1: you with the with what's happening. This is Jerry Sandusky,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for a kind of state university before the
Speaker 1: bullshit allegations hit the fan, just to you have an idea.
Speaker 1: That's that's Aryan Johnnie Sandusky, who is h as we
Speaker 1: speak in uh speaking with Jerry in person. And then
Speaker 1: we've got these guys, uh, Frank Fina and Joe Uh
Speaker 1: there are former deputy assistant Deputy Attorney generals for the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania and they both have some serious ronalds. So, Frank,
Speaker 1: you were kind of enough to break this thing. Can
Speaker 1: you give us an idea of what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 4: Well, Jerry Sandusky has filed a petition under the Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: Post Conviction Relief Act seeking an evidentiary hearing in hopes
Speaker 4: of persuading the judiciary in Pennsylvania to vacate his previous
Speaker 4: judgment and that would lead to potentially either a new
Speaker 4: trial or the latter, in which case we have an
Speaker 4: opportunity to be freed after thirteen years of incarceration.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So this PCR, the pc R A submission
Speaker 1: includes a lot of things that were not previously known
Speaker 1: to to anybody, right, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The fund foundation for a PDR is to have newly
Speaker 4: evidence that was not available prior to the trial and
Speaker 4: would be unlikely to have been available through normal due diligence.
Speaker 4: And there are several issues that are newly discovered that
Speaker 4: I think meet the standard of uh, not available or
Speaker 4: easily or readily available even through due diligence.
Speaker 1: Right, can we go through those? I'll like, what's the
Speaker 1: you know, don't I hesitate to it for them because
Speaker 1: they're all equally a substantive standing alone. But can you
Speaker 1: give us an idea of what they are?
Speaker 4: Yes, Ralph knows better than I view. But the three
Speaker 4: issues that I've done specifically was an affid David from
Speaker 4: the mother of the bast gent Hayden, who is a
Speaker 4: victim number nine in the Sandusky trial, and she has
Speaker 4: newly discovered information that points toward her son's false testimony
Speaker 4: and the fact that the two prosecutors in the case
Speaker 4: not only coached her son to lie, but also that
Speaker 4: they dipped into the prophets by taking in control of
Speaker 4: his twelve million dollar trust, which they controlled. I believe
Speaker 4: also they reaped a reward in the referral piece of
Speaker 4: the contingency fee to Attorney Stephen Brains. The second newly
Speaker 4: discovered informations that obtained the actual trust document, which goes
Speaker 4: with that Frank Fina and Joseph mcgett again were the
Speaker 4: majority members of a protective committee to control the money,
Speaker 4: and the other the third member of the committee is
Speaker 4: paid this therapist, which sets up a conflict. And the
Speaker 4: third piece of newly discovered evidence is that I got
Speaker 4: Mathaw David from Ryan Rittmeyer, victim number ten, who essentially
Speaker 4: says that they coached him to lie by falsely telling
Speaker 4: him that if he didn't remember it, it's because he's
Speaker 4: blocking his month in the recovered repress memory would show
Speaker 4: him that everything that they wanted him to say was true,
Speaker 4: and they hoodwinked him. He signed an affidavit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we've got if I understand it correctly,
Speaker 1: there are two victims that aren't really victims. Is that accurate?
Speaker 4: Well, I'd even go a step farther on state that
Speaker 4: none of these people were really victims. But we have
Speaker 4: on the record number ten, the last accuser in the
Speaker 4: child get come forward, and we have the mother of
Speaker 4: number nine, who is the second last accuser to come forward,
Speaker 4: who very persuasively debunks the vast majority of testimony. And
Speaker 4: then there was one of the pieces of newly discovered
Speaker 4: information I submitted, which was that I was in communication
Speaker 4: with Aaron Fisher, victim number one's mother, who texted me
Speaker 4: the Facebook messenger that it hit the portion, a very
Speaker 4: significant portion of Aaron Fisher's testimony was not true.
Speaker 1: Man, that's bad. That's a very bad. It's an indicative
Speaker 1: of this whole case. Nobody from the get go used
Speaker 1: any critical thinking when they looked at this case. You know,
Speaker 1: the details that they try to provide are not when
Speaker 1: you look into them, are non existent. Anyway, let's go
Speaker 1: through a couple of these. We've got coach Dick Anderson
Speaker 1: in the background, so as soon as we get a chance,
Speaker 1: we can bring them up. But Bill, can we show
Speaker 1: a couple of websites? The first website, by the way, Bill,
Speaker 1: can we show their websites? I think the user is
Speaker 1: still trying to John.
Speaker 6: So you know, I'm trying to help your other guests
Speaker 6: get on. Okay, So I can't hear anything you're asking
Speaker 6: me to do, right Okay, So I heard you just
Speaker 6: put up the websites? Which one do you want me
Speaker 6: to show first?
Speaker 1: The first one? Okay?
Speaker 6: And I think before we do that, let's just make
Speaker 6: sure that your guests the coach is also setting ready
Speaker 6: to go while Okay, and Dick, can you hear us?
Speaker 6: And can you hear uh? Let's see if we can
Speaker 6: hear you.
Speaker 2: Uh uh.
Speaker 1: Dick looks frozen.
Speaker 6: If he's there, he's moving. I think I may have
Speaker 6: to call him. He's I think he's blinking.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 6: Oh he's moving yea. So now I'm gonna see if
Speaker 6: I could work with him offline again. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 6: gonna put up the websites. Do you are you just
Speaker 6: want me to put up that one right now? Because
Speaker 6: I got to work with him again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can get a little background on this thing.
Speaker 7: Let's go with all right, have a great show, guys, okay, hmm, Okay,
Speaker 7: it's a conviction built on recovered memories.
Speaker 1: Uh. An overview of the sand Dusky case, uh, can
Speaker 1: Frank and Ralph, can you give us an idea of
Speaker 1: what the hell brought us to this point for people
Speaker 1: that have no idea what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: And Ralph, we can't hear it?
Speaker 3: You not made it now you are.
Speaker 1: Geez okay, Ralph? Can you can you hear us? Ralph?
Speaker 1: H Frank, you can hear us?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: I can?
Speaker 1: Okay? How about while Roth is fighting at technical issues,
Speaker 1: if you can give us an idea of you know,
Speaker 1: you put that article out to try to set the
Speaker 1: stage for this. Can you give us an idea how
Speaker 1: we got here? It's it's this article, right, So if
Speaker 1: you can just give us a little idea of what
Speaker 1: the hell.
Speaker 4: There was a defensive coordinator by the name of Jerry
Speaker 4: sam Dusky who for thirty years approximately was with the
Speaker 4: Penn State coaching staff fairly successfully. Working with Joe Paterno.
Speaker 4: He started the charity called the Second Mile, which was
Speaker 4: to reach out and provide some charitable support for young boys,
Speaker 4: teenagers and three teens to maybe give him a opportunity
Speaker 4: to not run into trouble. And they had camp and
Speaker 4: other things they did, and Jerry got a little involved
Speaker 4: in trying to mentor some of these young men, and
Speaker 4: in two thousand and Devin, I believe one of these
Speaker 4: young men by the name of Aaron Fisher. He he
Speaker 4: resisted Jerry's attempts to mentor him on a particular weekend
Speaker 4: because he had something to do that was more entertaining
Speaker 4: and he get out of having to go with Jerry.
Speaker 4: He told his mother that he had some suspicions. His
Speaker 4: mother then conflated that into a suspected abuse, and although
Speaker 4: he initially denied any abuse, social workers, the police, and
Speaker 4: then ultimately a therapist by the name of Mike Gilham
Speaker 4: began treating him. And Gilliam believed in repressed recovered memories.
Speaker 4: It was his theory that Aaron, despite him saying he
Speaker 4: wasn't abused, was actually abused, and over a six month
Speaker 4: period he successfully quote unquote restored Aaron's memory of abuse.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so did gillim profited all as a result
Speaker 1: of oh well, can hear you?
Speaker 3: How good?
Speaker 5: He wrote a book as Frank and tell you go
Speaker 5: ahead brain.
Speaker 4: Well he did author and it began almost from the
Speaker 4: inception a book called Silent No More, which he wrote
Speaker 4: with his patient Fisher and the mother of Fisher, Dawn Fisher,
Speaker 4: and Gillam was a believer in repressed memories. That is, like,
Speaker 4: probably most of us remember the most traumatic events in
Speaker 4: our life front and center, but he believed that we
Speaker 4: forget our most traumatic moments and he had the ability
Speaker 4: to recover those memories for us. In the case of
Speaker 4: Aaron Fisher, he helped him remember that just a few
Speaker 4: months ago, just a few months prior, Aaron was being
Speaker 4: subjected to forced mutual fuatio.
Speaker 1: Aaron, Frank, just to put an explanation point on us.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody remembers each and every vehicle accident they've
Speaker 1: been in, right, But if you're forced to, if you're
Speaker 1: being sexually solid, you don't remember that shit. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 8: Frank, who came up with the suspicions Aaron originally saying
Speaker 8: what his suspicious were that his mom ended up conflating
Speaker 8: to whatever she completed injured.
Speaker 4: No, I think he just wanted to get out of
Speaker 4: Caving to go with Jerry for the weekend. He had
Speaker 4: to do some some of his commitments to fulfill obligations
Speaker 4: for the Second Mild Charity. He did not want to go.
Speaker 4: He wanted to go out with his friend. His mother
Speaker 4: had a weekend planned, an exciting weekend that would not
Speaker 4: involve having her son hanging around the house. It arranged
Speaker 4: for babysitters for the two younger children, and Aaron then
Speaker 4: had to use a little bit of his wiliness. How
Speaker 4: does he get out of having to go with Jerry
Speaker 4: so he can hang with his friends. So he went
Speaker 4: to his mother and said, this is the genesis of
Speaker 4: the whole Sandusky avalanche. He said, Mom, how do you
Speaker 4: look up someone on the sex offender registry? He knew
Speaker 4: how to trig mother real good. She said, what I said,
Speaker 4: I just want to see if Jerry Sandusky's on the register?
Speaker 4: Why is he molested you? No, no, no, not just
Speaker 4: have my concerns because he's very touchy feeling, and then
Speaker 4: down concluded that he had been molested and was just
Speaker 4: lying about it. She took him to the high school.
Speaker 4: She took him to the councilors, he again denied abuse.
Speaker 4: Took him to the police, he again denied abuse, and
Speaker 4: finally she took him to Gilham. He denied abuse, but
Speaker 4: Gilham knew better and through his therapy, and it took
Speaker 4: seven months actually, he finally got Aaron, with almost daily
Speaker 4: sessions built to the county. He finally got Aaron to
Speaker 4: admit to what Gilham knew had happened all along, that
Speaker 4: Fisher had forgotten that just months ago he had been
Speaker 4: subject to repeated incidents of forcible filatio.
Speaker 1: Okay, he couldn't remember forced fallatio. No, that in itself
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, you know, Like I said, each one of
Speaker 1: us can recount the traffic accidents that we've been involved in,
Speaker 1: but if we were involved in forced fallatio, jeez, I
Speaker 1: forgot that. Jeezus. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay. So, I mean that's
Speaker 1: just the other thing is is that two of the
Speaker 1: victims essentially don't say the way, don't say events happened
Speaker 1: the way they did, they weren't necessarily victims, which casts
Speaker 1: out on all the other victims stories. And in the
Speaker 1: interim you've got a former disgraced by the way, deputy
Speaker 1: Attorney generals for the pathetic Pennsylvania State Attorney General's Office
Speaker 1: Fena and mcgedigan and mcguinnigan's girlfriend, by the way, financially
Speaker 1: profiting as part of the trust fund for the victims.
Speaker 5: I never heard that one before.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't there wouldn't there be some kind of safeguard
Speaker 1: so the alleged, an alleged unethical attorney couldn't have access
Speaker 1: to the trust funds.
Speaker 4: You know, Uh, I think it's son so unique. I
Speaker 4: don't think there's any any loss, like a brand new crime.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I don't think any prosecute or other than
Speaker 4: the ingenious Frank Sina I would have thought to do this.
Speaker 4: It's so remarkably raising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what do we know? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: Fina was reprimanded for uh doing for his uh involvement
Speaker 1: in prosekeitol proseketul misconduct in this case, and he subsequently
Speaker 1: what's he doing?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Remember we we touched on that, do you remember?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the he's the the CEO of a gaming
Speaker 4: product that that's uh infecting Pennsylvania. It's these these uh,
Speaker 4: the slot machines with a slight limit of skill that
Speaker 4: legally slipped through the loophole of not being pure gambling
Speaker 4: and that you know you'll see in the convenience stores
Speaker 4: and truck stops. They're essentially slot machines. His role is
Speaker 4: to make these things legal by introducing a slight element
Speaker 4: of skills, so they don't qualify as pure.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's a quite quite delepe from Porngate. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: distributing pornography throughout the Attorney General's office from his own
Speaker 1: email to now doing that. So mcgedigan, what is the
Speaker 1: law firm that mcgedigan is associated with with his girlfriend?
Speaker 4: Dennis mc andrews is the head of that law firm.
Speaker 4: And they specialize and in trust, Yeah, fraudulent trust. But
Speaker 4: I'm not be liable if they specialize. Oh, and they
Speaker 4: specialize in like in the case of the Sebastian Paytent trust,
Speaker 4: installing control of these trusts two parties other than the beneficiary, right,
Speaker 4: and then they.
Speaker 1: Get if I read that correctly, you can full you
Speaker 1: can read the full pre both on the real Frank
Speaker 1: report as well as a Big Child or Ralph Sabrianno substack.
Speaker 1: But if I understand correctly, not only did they control
Speaker 1: the trust fund, but they also charge fees for controlling
Speaker 1: the trust fund.
Speaker 4: Right, that is correct, and we haven't seen the complete accounting.
Speaker 4: There's a very good possibility that they hired people that
Speaker 4: were associates of They're a self interest and they may
Speaker 4: have even invested in their own enterprises. We don't know
Speaker 4: the extent of the accounting, but I would hazard to
Speaker 4: guess that the trustees made more money on it than
Speaker 4: the beneficiary. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just shocking.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the beneficiary has to request money from the
Speaker 1: attorneys that there, that are the prosecutors who who handle
Speaker 1: the uh the trust fund.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: You know, John, you talk about critical thinking. This is so.
Speaker 2: Late.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't.
Speaker 8: How does a prosecutor proschute someone and then land in
Speaker 8: a control of the victor.
Speaker 3: Twenty million dollars pay day. It's like they paid.
Speaker 4: This stuff is done.
Speaker 3: It's not. It's it's blatant corruption. It's not. It's like,
Speaker 3: how did all this stuff happen?
Speaker 2: And no one saw it?
Speaker 3: They all saw.
Speaker 8: That's why you get they all get reshuffled now Frank, Oh,
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna say, Frank parlotter from the lead.
Speaker 3: Now Fena and.
Speaker 8: Are in control of some other type of fraud with
Speaker 8: the sloping g They all get reshuffled, and they all
Speaker 8: stay in power, they all each other.
Speaker 5: Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: I can hear you rout quiad okay, So the amazing
Speaker 5: thing and Frank can tell us more when he gets on,
Speaker 5: is that these guys, these two prosecutors Feena McGettigan actually
Speaker 5: benefited financially from sending Jerry to jail, Jerry Sanduski to jail.
Speaker 5: Frank is the authority on this. But and Frank, they
Speaker 5: paid themselves a salary and annual salary plus an hourly
Speaker 5: billing rate. That's how it was working.
Speaker 1: Frank, we can't hear you. Can you unmute yourself? Unmute yourself?
Speaker 5: Uh uh, it might be a button on the bottom
Speaker 5: of the screen frame.
Speaker 1: If you can hear us, unmute yourself.
Speaker 5: Well, so the thing that really strikes me and Frank
Speaker 5: and I were talking about this. Let me fill in
Speaker 5: the gap here is that Feina and the Gedigain had
Speaker 5: complete control of this whole situation. They had control of
Speaker 5: Louis Free, the former FBI director who was doing the
Speaker 5: civil investigation that wasn't independent. You know that we've had
Speaker 5: a lot of information, which is some of it isn't
Speaker 5: contained in that filing, this recent filing, which totals four
Speaker 5: hundred pages, that shows that it was Frank Fina who
Speaker 5: was telling Louis three what to do, which witnesses to
Speaker 5: interview when he could interview him. Frank Bina had control
Speaker 5: of the civil investigation. Frank Bina had control of the
Speaker 5: media through his little girlfriend there that was basically a
Speaker 5: teenager and he was leaking her whatever it needed to
Speaker 5: be leaked to poison the jury pool against Jerry. Frank
Speaker 5: Pina had control of the legal challenges on the civil side.
Speaker 5: They filed first on behalf of Sebastian Payton. That was
Speaker 5: the first person to show up at the pay window.
Speaker 5: There were thirty six people at Penn State who collected
Speaker 5: a total of one hundred and eighteen million, and as
Speaker 5: John can tell you and Frank if you can ever
Speaker 5: get him back on, there was no vetting at Penn State.
Speaker 5: They didn't check out any of these crazy, constantly evolving stories.
Speaker 5: What they did was they just road checks everybody and
Speaker 5: everybody got paid, so right.
Speaker 1: Coach, Coach Anderson, can you hear us? Yes?
Speaker 8: I can?
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Dick, Hello, how you doing? Ralph?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 5: How you doing?
Speaker 1: Frank fat? I can hear the right, I can hear you.
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, Hi, Dick, Frank tell the phone.
Speaker 2: Hello to everybody.
Speaker 9: I'm dealing with the phone now because we can't get
Speaker 9: it into the computer. So I'm in foreign lands trying
Speaker 9: to figure it out.
Speaker 5: Okay, so right, why don't you tell me how these
Speaker 5: guys got paid. They got paid hourly and they got
Speaker 5: paid a stipend, right, an annual stipend.
Speaker 4: Well, those are the two ways we know how they
Speaker 4: got paid. They were paid five thousand dollars per year
Speaker 4: plus whatever hours they cared to invest in the affairs
Speaker 4: of Sebastian Payden at their typical hourly rate.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Ena is a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Uh Gay Warren.
Speaker 4: Mcgedigan's paramour, he's a financial advisor, so she would bill
Speaker 4: it at that rate, and Laurenkriggett, the therapist for Peyton,
Speaker 4: would bill it her rate, and uh they could. There's
Speaker 4: no restriction on how how many hours they would or
Speaker 4: could invest into the management of the affairs financial affairs
Speaker 4: and otherwise of Sebastian Peyton. Wow, couldn't couldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a blatant corruption, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: appalling on the part of them. Get it going to
Speaker 1: make it against a girlfriend. So at the very least
Speaker 1: they should be disbarred, and uh, you know, criminal offenses.
Speaker 3: Should be if I guarantee.
Speaker 8: You'd ask the bashing guy doesn't know anything about those
Speaker 8: quote unquote billable hours that were scared whatever that existed
Speaker 8: existent one.
Speaker 5: Frank, why don't you tell us about the high interest
Speaker 5: loans that mister Payton also had no idea about until
Speaker 5: he kicked in.
Speaker 4: From the time the prosecutors got a hold of Peyden,
Speaker 4: I think they recognized at the minimum that he would
Speaker 4: say anything they could suggest to him, any preposterous lie,
Speaker 4: and he would say it. So in effect he was
Speaker 4: there their star witness. In fact, he closed and pretty
Speaker 4: much closed the show.
Speaker 2: Try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he los him.
Speaker 3: Again, can you pick up? But he was leaving off.
Speaker 5: Well, he's became Francis the talking mule. I mean he
Speaker 5: basically his stories got crazier and crazier. He's the guy.
Speaker 5: You know, first he tells the cops when they show
Speaker 5: up at his doorstep, you know, Jerry never abused me.
Speaker 5: And he tells his mother, you know, the same thing
Speaker 5: over and over again. And then the longer he sits
Speaker 5: with these prosecutors, you know, they convince him that he's
Speaker 5: got to stop the predator. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 5: you know, he's forgotten all of this abuse or whatever
Speaker 5: the story was. But he comes in there telling one story,
Speaker 5: and then every time he tells the story it gets crazier.
Speaker 5: So finally, when he's a trial, he's claiming that he
Speaker 5: was you know, he was at Jerry's house one hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty times over a three year period, and he
Speaker 5: was when he came over. You know, Jerry was all
Speaker 5: over in sex abuse every time he showed up, and
Speaker 5: that he was kept as a virtual prisoner. You all
Speaker 5: remember this right in the basement, and he was screaming
Speaker 5: without food, and he was screaming for help from Jerry's
Speaker 5: allegedly soundproof basement, and that you know, Jerry's wife heard
Speaker 5: him but ignored his cries for help. And I mean,
Speaker 5: the story just got absolutely crazier than the mother. It's
Speaker 5: a shame Frank isn't here. But the mother says that
Speaker 5: he wasn't at Jerry's one hundred and fifty times. It
Speaker 5: was more like ten to fifteen times over a three
Speaker 5: year pear so, and the mother testifies first hand about
Speaker 5: how the prosecutors coached her to give false testimony to
Speaker 5: impume Jerry and Frank can probably tell that story better
Speaker 5: than I can, but it's all laid out in the
Speaker 5: PCRA appeal.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, okay, So Bill, are not, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to unscrew electronic communication?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: Can you bring up the David? Apparently we're having our
Speaker 1: problems today. We're working with Frank's.
Speaker 5: I come back to the show and everything goes to hell.
Speaker 1: If you would get on earlier, we could we as okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's Bill, all right, did we have a problem?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: Which document? Because you sent me for like five PDFs?
Speaker 1: So one of them says Affidavid.
Speaker 6: But on my screen it doesn't. Just to be clear,
Speaker 6: and I don't want to get into a who do
Speaker 6: you fit here? But let's just try to get the
Speaker 6: right one up on the screen.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well show them to us and we'll tell you.
Speaker 6: So that's that's not it? Okay, this one must be
Speaker 6: it right? Nope, no, because that says Affidavid.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, oh yeah, that looked pretty good. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Go back, there's her at it slid it up.
Speaker 3: To the top, Bill, and see let's see what it
Speaker 3: says at the top.
Speaker 5: Thank you god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one has a kind of bullet points. So
Speaker 1: can you hear are you experiencing a hurricane down there or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, almost technology technology hurricane.
Speaker 1: Can you yeah, exactly. So let's go over your Affidavid,
Speaker 1: the high points of your Affidavid. Can you do that?
Speaker 4: My yes, yes, I want to. I tried to sum
Speaker 4: up what my factual, without opinion, what I uncovered and
Speaker 4: how I uncovered it, not for the purpose of aggrandizement,
Speaker 4: but rather to show that the process was a straightforward one. Especially,
Speaker 4: Paydon's mother did give a bona fide affi David of
Speaker 4: what you would call subornation of perjury, and she revealed
Speaker 4: also that her son has been micro managed by the
Speaker 4: prosecutors since the day he walked in the door. She
Speaker 4: made the original call because she suspected that Jerry might
Speaker 4: have been since everyone else was echoing this he had
Speaker 4: been arrested. She thought that Jerry might be an abuser,
Speaker 4: and as soon as mcgedigain and the state police got
Speaker 4: old of Sebastian, they co opted him and converted him
Speaker 4: into a perjurer. Uh. I didn't know that they were
Speaker 4: profiting until Peydon's mother and I had what what amounted
Speaker 4: to about six or seven days of extent discussions.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 10: He also contained in the f David was my outreach
Speaker 10: to Ryan Rittmeyer, who I'll give him credit.
Speaker 4: He came forward and did something very difficult. He admitted
Speaker 4: that he was coached into uh into falsely remembering. And
Speaker 4: you know there's a gray area of what's memory and
Speaker 4: what you know is not true.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 4: Discuss how Dawn Fisher specifically contradicted the testimony of her
Speaker 4: son Aaron, that he had been at Jerry Sandusky's house
Speaker 4: every weekend for three years, which also calls into question
Speaker 4: Peydon's testimony that he was there every weekend for three years,
Speaker 4: the same weekends and the same bed in the same
Speaker 4: bedroom at these are they couldn't both be there simultaneously.
Speaker 4: Now it comes to the situation where both of the
Speaker 4: mothers of both of these witnesses say that their claims
Speaker 4: are untrue.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this, I mean all of you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a case where people are getting
Speaker 1: awhere from one point five million up to twenty million,
Speaker 1: so you know, to extrapolate a little bit, the final
Speaker 1: victim got twenty million dollars, right correct, Yes? Okay, So
Speaker 1: Fenna and mcgedigan, the unethical attorneys that they are, knew
Speaker 1: that that was the last last chance they had to
Speaker 1: a financially profit on a on a recovery of twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars, right, so they put themselves in charge of
Speaker 1: the trust.
Speaker 4: I think they did more than I think they did
Speaker 4: more than all these other guys had lawyers and they
Speaker 4: saw Peydon was a completely a mailable young and was eighteen,
Speaker 4: and they I think they realized, we can hit this
Speaker 4: one for the Jackpott. He doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And not only did they not only did they have
Speaker 1: access and control over the funds that were rightfully the
Speaker 1: alleged victims funds, but they had somebody at the alleged
Speaker 1: victims house to make sure that he didn't do anything
Speaker 1: crazy with his money.
Speaker 4: Right, they had therapists living with paid and all the time,
Speaker 4: yeah continue.
Speaker 11: Billable, Yeah, and who was paying the therapist? By the way,
Speaker 11: the initially Penns State paid in sort of admission of
Speaker 11: guilt before trial. They paid for therapists.
Speaker 4: But then what Payden. What they wanted to do with
Speaker 4: Payden to keep him contained was they got a battery
Speaker 4: of really babysitters more than therapists to watch his every
Speaker 4: move and keep him underlining key from the time he
Speaker 4: stepped into their office. The other thing they did was
Speaker 4: they wanted Payden to taste the good lives because he
Speaker 4: was living in a trailer with his hard working but
Speaker 4: poor mother, and so they advanced him, I'm told by
Speaker 4: the mother about a million dollars over the three years
Speaker 4: or almost three years it took to collect his twenty million,
Speaker 4: and they were kind enough to lend that to him
Speaker 4: at twenty seven percent interest.
Speaker 3: Compe I left.
Speaker 1: But this is unbelievable, a loan sharking operation.
Speaker 8: This is worse than little I mean, Joey joey bags.
Speaker 8: Don't don't charge that much interest, Ralph, I mean, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: It's a high number.
Speaker 8: So what was a total payout of all of these
Speaker 8: guys if we if were about one hundred and twenty
Speaker 8: million for all thirty six Wow, No again, no no
Speaker 8: vetting done of any kind, no depositions, no investigations, no
Speaker 8: time spent in front of a forensic psychiatrist or anything
Speaker 8: like that.
Speaker 5: They blew out all the traditional investigative methods in favor
Speaker 5: of just writing checks to anybody who showed up at
Speaker 5: the Peywin and John and I checked this out. We
Speaker 5: were the first ones to check this out. The third
Speaker 5: of these guys had criminal backgrounds like mister Rittmeyer. I
Speaker 5: believe that seventeen arrests on his dance guard for fraud.
Speaker 5: Would you believe that?
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, Christ, oh my god, Lindy Lou,
Speaker 1: you're correct. What the fuck? First of all? And secondly,
Speaker 1: twenty years of hard money lendering lending the highest was
Speaker 1: fourteen percent, So when you're dealing with unethical attorneys, you
Speaker 1: know it's twenty seven percent interest also known as launch sharky. Yeah. Christ, yeah,
Speaker 1: So these unethical law firms are located near Philadelphia, is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Frank you know them right? Well, one of them was
Speaker 5: in state college, right, the biggest guy gave them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Schubert's a state pelt right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The law firms though that are that little girlfriender
Speaker 1: or big girl possibly are associated with there there because
Speaker 1: they were keeping an eye on one of the victims,
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't run off with their what they they
Speaker 1: considered their money in uh Philadelphia, was it? It was
Speaker 1: Philadelphia County? Wasn't it isn't there isn't there a law
Speaker 1: firm in Philadelphia County, I mean or Montgomery County?
Speaker 4: Rank you we could check the we could check the addresses.
Speaker 4: It was a network of lawyers that were involved in this.
Speaker 8: Speaking of network, just honestly, And I don't know what's
Speaker 8: what the statue of limitation is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the fact that they're still doing
Speaker 3: they're still doing it right. So that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 8: So this is almost like a reco case because this
Speaker 8: was all based on what you guys are telling me,
Speaker 8: it seems like this was premeditated from the issue. Yes,
Speaker 8: it was premeditated to steal money from the tax paying
Speaker 8: citizens of Philadelphia or in Pennsylvania and from penn State.
Speaker 8: And then the people you gave it to, you give
Speaker 8: them a twenty seven percent advance, million dollar advance. I
Speaker 8: mean that shows that you knew that you were going
Speaker 8: to get these moneys. They were gonna pay out these
Speaker 8: But you're not gonna give a trail apart person a
Speaker 8: million dollars that they never saw before.
Speaker 3: You're right, Frank, so that they could drink champagne. Great
Speaker 3: minds thinking like Lindy, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Nothing like getting your girlfriend involved them all disaster,
Speaker 1: like Lisa.
Speaker 4: W.
Speaker 1: Why not what the hell is again? Against girlfriend's name
Speaker 1: anyway living girlfriend, So.
Speaker 4: We have to do ga ga t A y w
Speaker 4: A r r N.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can you say that again? What's her name? Gay?
Speaker 1: G A y oh that w A r r Okay, Hey, so, uh,
Speaker 1: why don't you guys Frank being a piece of ship
Speaker 1: and mckinnig piece of ship, why don't you both fucking
Speaker 1: show up call us and tell us that we're wrong? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, unbelievable, and you can and and mcginnigan you
Speaker 1: can bring your girlfriend to after your failed victory uh tour.
Speaker 1: You piece of ship may.
Speaker 8: Be used criminally, I mean, I know it's from the
Speaker 8: pc r A, but I mean basically what you're uncovering is,
Speaker 8: like you say, it's subordination of perjury and all this
Speaker 8: other kind of stuff, this racketearing outfit that was by
Speaker 8: public of fishes and for prostitutors. Could it be used
Speaker 8: with the US attorney or because you can't go to
Speaker 8: the pay a state attorney general at this point, you got.
Speaker 4: To go to the FEDS. I think it's possible. Can
Speaker 4: I stick a question, Dick?
Speaker 3: Dick?
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 3: You're probably the only one.
Speaker 4: Here who was ever a cross examined by mcged again.
Speaker 4: Could you get a little impression of what that scene
Speaker 4: was like and what the courthouse I would kind of
Speaker 4: think it's It would have been intimidating to be standing
Speaker 4: up for Jerry Sandusky with all the media and mcged again.
Speaker 4: Could you give us a little idea what that trial
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 9: Well, the only thing I can I can tell you
Speaker 9: is the first day, because after you testify, which is
Speaker 9: what I did on the first day, you're eliminated. They
Speaker 9: won't allow you in the courtroom again. So all I
Speaker 9: can tell you is that I thought mcgued again was obnoxious.
Speaker 9: He certainly didn't intimidate him and basically intimidate me. But
Speaker 9: basically what they wanted from me was first of all,
Speaker 9: a description of Jerry and his character, which.
Speaker 2: I gave to them.
Speaker 9: Then they asked me about a couple of a couple
Speaker 9: of pictures of kids in the Second Mile which I
Speaker 9: didn't recognize. They wanted to know if I recognized them,
Speaker 9: and I said no, I did not, because my actual
Speaker 9: contact with them was not extensive. You know, I was
Speaker 9: at some banquets and things like that for the Second Mile.
Speaker 9: So that was that was about That was about it.
Speaker 9: They wanted to know from me what Jerry's schedule was,
Speaker 9: and so Jerry's schedule was such that it made a
Speaker 9: lot of things that they said impossible because he was traveling,
Speaker 9: he was in different states, different times, and so on,
Speaker 9: so some of that stuff they wanted. There was even
Speaker 9: a situation, there was even a situation where in fact
Speaker 9: they accused or one of the accusers accused Jerry of
Speaker 9: doing something with him at a time when we were
Speaker 9: on the football field practicing. So you know, there was
Speaker 9: just some obvious things that just were not true, and
Speaker 9: you know, through the whole thing. The thing that bothered
Speaker 9: me maybe most was the investigation, which was really really
Speaker 9: crooked because what they did was try to with words
Speaker 9: in the mouths of the accusers, and they did that
Speaker 9: time and time again. They didn't have the proper people
Speaker 9: on the investigation. They had Gillham, the famous therapist, involved
Speaker 9: in questioning, even had him involved Becaurse in the grand
Speaker 9: jury with Fisher, So they did so many things that
Speaker 9: were just playing not only illegal, but they were just
Speaker 9: not right. They were wrong headed from the very start.
Speaker 9: So it was very clear to me from the beginning
Speaker 9: that there was a plan here to convict Jerry, and
Speaker 9: they were going to do it any means, any means possible.
Speaker 1: And now we know that the main focus was financially
Speaker 1: enriching themselves, absolutely unethical attorneys like Frank Fiena and Joe mcgett. Again,
Speaker 1: by the way, Jaken, did you attend any of Joe
Speaker 1: mcgeddigan's victory tours that weren't very well?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five people like showing up so I can congratulate himself.
Speaker 1: What a piece of ship. Yeah, but uh, Frank and Joe,
Speaker 1: Frank Fina and Joe mcgeddigan, you're welcome to come on
Speaker 1: and change our minds.
Speaker 5: I'd rather see them in a witness box.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's going to happen, but I want
Speaker 1: the same in prison. Yeah that too, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what what what a total piece of ship, taking your
Speaker 1: uh your alleged you're feeding your your you're teaching your
Speaker 1: client to lie. He turns around and tells everybody that
Speaker 1: you taught him to lie, and then you're on the
Speaker 1: other end of it, sucking off the money that he
Speaker 1: was supposed to get.
Speaker 8: It was always their money, he just it was never
Speaker 8: his money. They just used him, you know, matter. In fact,
Speaker 8: they proved it. So when they gave him money.
Speaker 1: Said, hey, what's the what's the mcgian works with some
Speaker 1: fucking law firm. What's the guy's name, Andrews Andrews. Hey,
Speaker 1: mc andrews, come on, tell us what the hell story is.
Speaker 1: Change our minds. It's your law firm, Frank, the mcandrew's
Speaker 1: law firm. Based on the fact that you know the
Speaker 1: mcgeddig and is siphoning money off of a client's trust fund.
Speaker 5: Well, McAndrews was in on it, right, Frank. Yeah, that
Speaker 5: McAndrews was the guy who arranged for the lawyer to
Speaker 5: sue Penn State on behalf of mister Payton.
Speaker 4: Right, it works that way. Mc andrews did two things.
Speaker 4: He drew the trust, he wrote the trust that included
Speaker 4: his partner, his law partner mcged again as well his
Speaker 4: partner's girlfriend. But the other way that mcged again and
Speaker 4: mc andrews made money. I've yet to prove this, but
Speaker 4: I would be pretty certain that it is true. They
Speaker 4: referred young Paydon to Stephen Rains, and Rain's got yeah,
Speaker 4: thirty three percent out of that. He probably split these
Speaker 4: with the mc andrews mcged again law firm. So he
Speaker 4: if the total fees were seven million dollars, I think
Speaker 4: it's reasonable to assume that mcged again, and mc andrews
Speaker 4: and quite possibly FINA picked up an additional million dollars each. Wow,
Speaker 4: the upfront contingency legal fees. We've yet to prove that,
Speaker 4: but I think an evidentiary hearing will show that they
Speaker 4: got their first big pay date April of twenty fifteen
Speaker 4: when they settled with Penn State.
Speaker 1: Oh god, wow, all right, So I mean at least
Speaker 1: two victims have changed their stories subsequently to the point
Speaker 1: where you've got no no victimization happening, which cast is
Speaker 1: out on all the rest of them.
Speaker 5: Right, there was no reason to believe any of them, right,
Speaker 5: no reason to believe.
Speaker 3: Frank, because your AFFI David part of the pcr A petition.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's going to Center County Courthouse. It's not federal, great,
Speaker 1: thank you. Going to Central County, which is a disaster
Speaker 1: to begin with, not as horrible as Doffy County, but
Speaker 1: you know close. Yeah, they run a find a fine
Speaker 1: oiled corruption machine there.
Speaker 5: I attended to span your trial and I can vouch
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got a fair trial. And a fair hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, So you know, just anybody, you people
Speaker 1: that have been following this case since the beginning and
Speaker 1: only read the headlines and were fed h information from
Speaker 1: the prosecution, from at Corvette and others, you know, you
Speaker 1: really have to take a look and realize that it's
Speaker 1: not as you've seen it. You you know now that
Speaker 1: there's corruption all over the place. This is one of
Speaker 1: the cases that you know started the ball rolling right
Speaker 1: with corruption of epic proportion.
Speaker 3: Raik, when is the well, we'll lay hear this on
Speaker 3: the petition.
Speaker 4: Well, they're not. They're not on any deadline. It's been filed.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: There is a judge a skirta who will make a
Speaker 4: decision on the relief requested, which is an evidentiary hearing.
Speaker 4: H that's uh in tw hirely at the moment, at
Speaker 4: her discretion because the argument is compelling, because there isn't
Speaker 4: issues there are issues.
Speaker 3: Of facts here.
Speaker 4: She may grant the evidential you're hearing, or she may not.
Speaker 4: I think it behooves us all to try to keep
Speaker 4: this discussion going in the public because it's been my
Speaker 4: experience in the past that from time to time the
Speaker 4: judiciary does not openly embrace corrective measures when they're wrong.
Speaker 1: They have quite the track record of being wrong with
Speaker 1: a view towards and they're being wrong because they're protecting themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have been circling the wagons for thirteen years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happens if Corbett croaks? Do they still have
Speaker 1: to protect themselves? I would like to know that.
Speaker 5: Huh, look at that, Ryan Rattenmeier. What an upstanding individual.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've got a lot of upstanding individuals here, right,
Speaker 1: Feena and mcgedigan, Oh my god.
Speaker 8: Did Feena and them seek out these victims or did
Speaker 8: the victims seek out Feena in mcgedigan? Oh?
Speaker 1: Now that and mcgedigan.
Speaker 3: Oh, all these alleged victims. So they gathered up these
Speaker 3: thirty six co conspirators.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a shuban from my state knowledge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the band state police knocking out knocking on hundreds
Speaker 5: of doors, right, that little task force that they did,
Speaker 5: remember that, Yeah, they're knocking like five hundred doors or something,
Speaker 5: you think. So they were at recruiting as how I
Speaker 5: would describe, right, that's yeah, takes familiar with that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was just another recruiting tour, right, Yeah, wants to
Speaker 5: say something that we can't hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's music.
Speaker 2: The very first trial which was totally unfair.
Speaker 9: And uh, if we can get any fairness at all
Speaker 9: from from our judges and the people that are now
Speaker 9: making the decisions, we will undoubtedly prove Jerry's innocence. But
Speaker 9: so far, starting with the very first trial under Cleveland,
Speaker 9: then going to four Door, all right, and then then
Speaker 9: to Skirter has not given Jerry a fair chance in
Speaker 9: the courtroom. And that's what's necessary, just some fairness they
Speaker 9: pure it out. Look at the facts as they have
Speaker 9: been uncovered, Well, like, do you have a reason why
Speaker 9: you believe that?
Speaker 8: I mean, it seems like these people are just a
Speaker 8: part of this whole corrupt organization, including the judges.
Speaker 2: Now at this point, well that's the way. It's the
Speaker 2: way it's been all along.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know when it started with Corbett, and
Speaker 9: Corbett has its tentacles all over all of these people.
Speaker 9: And now it's at a point where I think that
Speaker 9: they feel they cannot go forward and be fair because
Speaker 9: if they are, maybe they will not get re elected,
Speaker 9: maybe they'll be put in a in the hot seat
Speaker 9: in the wrong way. So all we want is just fairness,
Speaker 9: look at the facts. Give Jerry a fair chance, and
Speaker 9: what more can you ask for it? But he hasn't
Speaker 9: gotten so far.
Speaker 1: Okay, they don't want to give themselves up basically, I mean.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean here, John, you you realize, John, that
Speaker 9: Jerry publicly has been made out to be a monster.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 9: So the general public who is aren't informed but know
Speaker 9: Jerry only as a monster, all right, they're the people
Speaker 9: who will be voting, all right, relative to these judges
Speaker 9: that are out there, and uh, you know, uh if
Speaker 9: they're if they're aren't informed and they look at Jerry
Speaker 9: as a monster, they're gonna they're gonna vote one way
Speaker 9: to uphold the judge, just as long as the judges
Speaker 9: continue to keep them behind bars.
Speaker 1: So this is the story. This is the thing. Is
Speaker 1: if they stop their tactic of ruling only on procedural
Speaker 1: grounds and not and not addressing the facts, and then
Speaker 1: they change now to address the facts, they're going to
Speaker 1: implicate themselves in a fucking uh, you know, corrupt system
Speaker 1: system because because all they have done is, uh try
Speaker 1: to defeat, defeat every presentation of truth only through procedural
Speaker 1: uh what they envision as procedural errors. They never uh,
Speaker 1: they never address the facts.
Speaker 8: But if it goes on with what Dick saying, with
Speaker 8: Frank saying is the same thing, Dick saying, they want
Speaker 8: to keep san Dusky as a monster, Frank saying, it's
Speaker 8: not out there. So the media is continued to not show,
Speaker 8: for instance, like this PCR, to show all this corruption.
Speaker 8: So in the media is the mainstream you know, however
Speaker 8: you want to class file. Jerry's still a monster. So
Speaker 8: these judges are not going to get off their hands
Speaker 8: and do anything because it's going to affect their election.
Speaker 8: Part of what you and Dick are saying. And no
Speaker 8: one's going to notice until Jerry dies and then Frank
Speaker 8: Ralphin whoever may stop covering this, and then he'll go
Speaker 8: to his death.
Speaker 5: As a monster, right exactly. Well, I got to say,
Speaker 5: I personally tried pedaling this story to a network ABC
Speaker 5: and two local television vission stations. I had three reporters
Speaker 5: in these places who wanted to do the story, and
Speaker 5: they were overruled by their either their news director or
Speaker 5: they're at So the cover up continues.
Speaker 3: The media is totally.
Speaker 5: Responsible for this mess. It was the sports idiots, people
Speaker 5: like Stephen A. Smith. That turned this into a complete travesty.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, the journalism, the journalism now practice
Speaker 5: in this case almost sequels what Fina and let me
Speaker 5: get again it done. You know, for prosecutors, it's it's
Speaker 5: almost like corupt And Sarah again, there's another one. She
Speaker 5: profited from her participation in this. Go ahead, Dick, I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: So the media at this point, Ralph, at this point,
Speaker 9: from your firsthand experience, doesn't want to entertain this. But
Speaker 9: yet they were so so anxious to jump all over
Speaker 9: this when it first came out, and they were because
Speaker 9: of a name paternal that's right, yes.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 9: And then and they they were all over this and
Speaker 9: they really didn't research it, but they came out with again,
Speaker 9: Jerry is a monster. Say, college was a mess at
Speaker 9: this point in time because their trucks were all over
Speaker 9: the place. What a great story. And then we had
Speaker 9: people from the outside that knew nothing about it incriminating
Speaker 9: Jerry right about this, and then incriminating the staff all right,
Speaker 9: because we supposedly knew what was going on. Unfortunately, unfortunately
Speaker 9: for them, all right is in fact, there was nothing
Speaker 9: going on.
Speaker 5: So the whole that's not an entertaining story.
Speaker 9: Sorry, right, and you know it started politically, then it
Speaker 9: went to the media, which embraced the whole thing, and
Speaker 9: it really got out of control. And there you have it,
Speaker 9: and then a rushed trial. All right, Cleveland wouldn't give
Speaker 9: it any time. Football season was upon us, get the
Speaker 9: thing done. They overloaded Jerry's council with information at the
Speaker 9: last possible moment where they could not, uh they could
Speaker 9: not really decipher it all, and wouldn't let wouldn't let
Speaker 9: the attorney out of uh the trial when he requested it.
Speaker 9: He says, I can't do this. He says, there's too
Speaker 9: much information, not enough time, and you and I can't
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 1: I want out.
Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't let him out.
Speaker 3: Well, you look at Rolph just mentioning Stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 8: His his career catapulted after this stuff, and now they're
Speaker 8: considered to be a nominee for Democratic nominee for president.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm rooted for that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying you to look how idiot I might be.
Speaker 5: Able to do it this time, So Steven A might
Speaker 5: be perfect for the job.
Speaker 8: Frank, I reme know the last time we spoke, you
Speaker 8: were you were looking at other avenues to get this
Speaker 8: out have.
Speaker 3: Ut.
Speaker 5: The media has a bunch of pigmies and cowards.
Speaker 1: Well, it appeared in the Daily Mail, right.
Speaker 5: That was a horrible story. Now, my apologies to Frank
Speaker 5: having suffered through idiots for editors, but that that story. Sorry,
Speaker 5: they should have let Frank write it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Bill, let's let's bring up some of these articles quick,
Speaker 1: so people can have a chance to read them, even though.
Speaker 5: The Daily Mail that one. But taking Nathaniel Hawthorne approach
Speaker 5: to journalism and painting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one with that doctor Cruz in there there,
Speaker 1: that one, not that Daily Mail, that one, the one
Speaker 1: with the art voice. Okay, So skeptic scholar FREDA. Cruz
Speaker 1: the time which was to overturn Sandusky conviction. Now it
Speaker 1: make him true and uh, as you'll recall, we've had
Speaker 1: we had doctor uh uh Cruis on uh several times
Speaker 1: and he was certainly an advocate for Sandusky.
Speaker 3: Frank, you should you should you?
Speaker 5: Since you had all this experience with Bread, maybe you
Speaker 5: can tell us you know, from my understanding it was
Speaker 5: a comfort to Bread as he was on his deathbed
Speaker 5: then that you were out pursuing the truth and works.
Speaker 4: Well, I think he was very troubled by jerry conviction,
Speaker 4: and he uh, he felt that he had done the
Speaker 4: things he wanted to do in life except that one thing,
Speaker 4: which was to see Jerry exonerated. And so I received
Speaker 4: a very surprising email in June of this year. We
Speaker 4: were talking about out getting some publicity, and he said,
Speaker 4: I say, I have some rather startling news. I'm afraid,
Speaker 4: and they wanted him to say that his medical medical
Speaker 4: condition would take his life that very day, and he
Speaker 4: was right about that.
Speaker 2: He died.
Speaker 4: Within a few hours. But he said, I've got one consolation,
Speaker 4: and that is that you're going to continue the work to.
Speaker 2: Jerry.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's the one that instituced me to the injustice.
Speaker 4: But I think what's the most important is that on
Speaker 4: his deathbed he believed sincerely that Jerry was innocent. This
Speaker 4: is a man that was nationally famous yea being skeptic
Speaker 4: and a critic.
Speaker 8: Well, originally he had to he had to come around
Speaker 8: to that, right, Frank, Remember he believe, he said, originally
Speaker 8: he was believing all the lies and the height that
Speaker 8: was being spewed in. Once he read the facts, he
Speaker 8: came around to where he left the circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an exercise in critical thinking, I mean, just
Speaker 1: not reading headlines, right Bill, Can we bring up the
Speaker 1: big trial article, the Ralph Cipriano substack article that one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. How Frank Feena and Joe mcgedigan profited from
Speaker 1: putting Jerry sandski in prison you can find out on Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anybody can read it, right. So, you know, you've
Speaker 1: got articles to take a look at from the real
Speaker 1: Frank report, You've got articles to look at on art Voice,
Speaker 1: and you've got Ralph's Sybrianna substack and it's also reported
Speaker 1: in the Daily Mail, right.
Speaker 3: So, but.
Speaker 1: It certainly casts a great doubt on the veracity of
Speaker 1: any of the other victims the information that you've come
Speaker 1: up with, Frank.
Speaker 5: Great work by you, Franky, getting these people to come forward.
Speaker 5: It's an incredible journalistic accompli. Students, I wish the rest
Speaker 5: of the media had your bullshit detector.
Speaker 1: And are they, I mean, in your opinion of Ralph
Speaker 1: and Frank in your opinion is the news media what
Speaker 1: I mean dependent upon how many years have gone by,
Speaker 1: Are they still of the opinion that if they tell
Speaker 1: the truth, they would be implicating themselves?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think that's partial. The truth, right, Maybe yet maybe
Speaker 12: I don't know. They're they're a fellow.
Speaker 4: Last And the time that it takes to write a
Speaker 4: story that Jerry is guilty and he's a pervert is
Speaker 4: about thirty minutes. The time that it takes to write
Speaker 4: a story that he may be innocent would take three
Speaker 4: weeks of hard work. So it's just easier to write
Speaker 4: to these guilty and leave it at that.
Speaker 5: Well, we know people who you know, we are reporters.
Speaker 5: Business journal was it, you know that spent years looking
Speaker 5: into this stuff and then they killed their story. Remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Remember that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got a wrap, but I want to
Speaker 1: give people an idea of where this is going.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is you've got victims that have said
Speaker 1: now that they're not victims, and you've got unethical attorneys
Speaker 1: that are ciphering off funds there, you know, to themselves
Speaker 1: from a trust fund for victims. This is bullshit. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're interested, you can come on and
Speaker 1: tell us what we're wrong. That would be the only
Speaker 1: victim at Penn State was the truth on Jerry Santuski, Right.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is the pc R A the
Speaker 1: post Conviction or Relief Act paperwork is in Center County, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: All four hundred of it.
Speaker 1: Right, So, you know, these judges that are trying to
Speaker 1: protect you know, themselves, get your head out of your
Speaker 1: ass because eventually you're going to get bad rap for this.
Speaker 1: Be in front of it, and you know, do the
Speaker 1: right thing, you know, don't piss around with procedural bullshit.
Speaker 1: Address the facts. They've already been addressed and the facts
Speaker 1: are pretty significant. Thirteen for you, So you know, get
Speaker 1: out of the ball ball game there. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: guys have any final comments. Unfortunately, frankly dropped off listen.
Speaker 9: I quickly, I quickly would like to thank everybody for
Speaker 9: what they have done over time, John with your your
Speaker 9: podcast and all the guests that have contributed. Ralph has
Speaker 9: done an immense job I think when trying to get
Speaker 9: the news out with his writings. Frank Carletto has been
Speaker 9: amazing and has done all his work, by the way,
Speaker 9: without compensation and spent a lot of his own money.
Speaker 9: And I think that's true of Ralph also, So I
Speaker 9: think they have really really contributed to Jerry's plight here
Speaker 9: in terms of trying to get a fair shake and
Speaker 9: let's hope it gets done. And thanks thanks to everybody
Speaker 9: who has contributed.
Speaker 5: You deserve a lot of credit for sticking by Jerry
Speaker 5: all this time. Everybody should have a friend like Dick
Speaker 5: Anderson that would stick by them when the world condemns them.
Speaker 5: How many people like Dick.
Speaker 1: No question about that again. Bottom line is two victims
Speaker 1: say they aren't Two of the auge victims indicate that
Speaker 1: they're not victims at all, but which casts out on
Speaker 1: the remaining victims, and ethical attorneys have siphoned off funding
Speaker 1: that was destined for the victims. So and if you
Speaker 1: want to, uh, you know, come on and threw us wrong.
Speaker 5: In this case reminds me of the j Smith murder case,
Speaker 5: which is the most infamous case that I know in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: where a high school principal was let off death row
Speaker 5: further after he'd been convicted for the murders of a
Speaker 5: school teacher, English teacher and her two kids, and they
Speaker 5: the whole thing was undone by two grains a few
Speaker 5: grains of sand that were found in the victims toes,
Speaker 5: which proved that she wasn't killed in the basement, she
Speaker 5: was killed on the beach and we got a couple
Speaker 5: of mountains of sand.
Speaker 1: And I was just going to say, it's not a
Speaker 1: few grains of sand in this case. It's a you know,
Speaker 1: a partha of facts.
Speaker 5: And John, this may shock you, but that case was
Speaker 5: prosecuted by the Pennsylvania State Attorney General's Office and they
Speaker 5: ended up Jay Smith, the convicted killer, got off of
Speaker 5: death row and he walked and they ruled that they
Speaker 5: couldn't retry him because the case was sort of amounted
Speaker 5: to double jeopardy. And I hope that's what happens for
Speaker 5: Jerry here. Thanks here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Lindy Lew I'm sure that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the pH a G hasn't stepped in,
Speaker 1: assuming they're not complicit. They're they're in. They're complicit. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: you know Corbett, uh, Fisher and shape Shapiro are tied
Speaker 1: at the head.
Speaker 5: This is criticizing Willie Sutton for a bank job he
Speaker 5: pulled off. This is all their work.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you have, yeah, uncovered everything that James Coley
Speaker 8: did right now, Why can't Dave Sunday uncover all.
Speaker 1: The stuff in this because uh, you know worthless?
Speaker 5: Frank, do you have any final thoughts as the guy
Speaker 5: who coaxed these witnesses into coming forward, and yes, you're
Speaker 5: responsible for this whole pcr A thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I say that the two points I like to make.
Speaker 4: One put myself in the position of Joe mcged again
Speaker 4: and Frank Fina. They saw everybody about them making or
Speaker 4: about to make millions, and they're the ones that did
Speaker 4: all the work. They put this together and they created
Speaker 4: this thing, and I think they felt like in a
Speaker 4: world of lies and liars, it would be it would
Speaker 4: be unjust if we didn't also correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the second thing I put this, I posted this
Speaker 4: on the Daily Mail and I'll repeat it here. Any serious,
Speaker 4: legitimate person who wants to debate me, who would like
Speaker 4: to engage in the debate.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, I think for what Frank is saying is
Speaker 1: that if anybody, uh I would like to pay debate him,
Speaker 1: we'd be more than happy to host.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, h but I think he's right on the
Speaker 1: money when it comes to the panamic get again, there's.
Speaker 5: No thing to be rewarded for their hard work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1: We're going to follow this case, but the pc r A,
Speaker 1: the Post Conviction Relief Act paperwork has been filed in
Speaker 1: a Center County, Pennsylvania, in the town of Bellefonta.
Speaker 5: Yes, have that named after Hair?
Speaker 1: Say?
Speaker 5: What is that named after Hair?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: No, no, it's quite a tribute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it has nothing to do with them anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep following this. Uh, but that's where it's
Speaker 1: at right now, and we'll see what what has happened.
Speaker 1: I think we're can frame back quick.
Speaker 5: No, thanks, guys.
Speaker 1: I think he's got storms going on in Florida. So
Speaker 1: but anyway, thanks guys, we have to follow it. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to prove us wrong, come on, we'll
Speaker 1: We're more than happy to listen to you. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: thanks great coach Anderson, Rolf, thank you very.
Speaker 3: Much, great Jake, take care. Thank you guys.
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