Speaker 1: Hello, it's John here for another one of our Backflips
Speaker 1: and Nerds interview podcasts. I've got Russell with me again.
Speaker 1: How are you, big man?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Thanks John, good, Thanks. This should be
Speaker 2: another entertaining one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. Joining us this week,
Speaker 1: we're delighted to be joined by a pitcher who made
Speaker 1: his major league debut this year with the Kansas City Royals,
Speaker 1: pitching in five games before being part of the package
Speaker 1: that took Lucas to Casey from Oakland. He has recently
Speaker 1: traded to his third team of the year, the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 1: Welcome Will Klein. Will, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good, guys, thanks for having me a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Before we get into all of the shenanigans that has
Speaker 1: been your twenty four to twenty five, let's talk about
Speaker 1: what you're wearing. You just popped up on this on
Speaker 1: this call. Here we're in a Elsie, Jersey and you're
Speaker 1: currently you know, tuning in into the background to Chelsea
Speaker 1: and west Ham. So that's been a bit of a
Speaker 1: bit of an icebreaker for our conversation this evening.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, uncle, uncle and dad have always been in
Speaker 3: Chelsea fans named their dog Chelsea. You know, that kind
Speaker 3: of ran with them, and you know, when I got
Speaker 3: high school age into college, I started to watch them
Speaker 3: a lot, and then it's turned into having to watch
Speaker 3: every game, even if it means four thirty Pacific time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well you guys get it nice. You know,
Speaker 3: twelve thirty one o'clock games. You're like, it's perfect time
Speaker 3: you watch watch four dinner, eating lunch, you know, and
Speaker 3: I'm like waking up with their brinking down to catch
Speaker 3: them play Burnmouth or something at four am.
Speaker 1: You've got the opposite of us, Like, you know, we
Speaker 1: we love those one o'clock starts on a Sunday evening.
Speaker 1: You know that that that they're the ones we want,
Speaker 1: not the ones that you know what one o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, starting at six o'clock Pacific time or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. Yeah. So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: We we're bonding over time shifted watching sports. How did
Speaker 1: your your did you say, is your dad and your granddad?
Speaker 1: How how did they.
Speaker 3: Start with Chelsea funds? Yeah, dad and uncle. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not entirely sure how my uncle really started. Uh, but
Speaker 3: he's been over to London a couple of times, and
Speaker 3: I think just he's he's got a bit of the
Speaker 3: same I don't know, not like British attitude, but like
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit more in in that culture.
Speaker 3: And he's been over there quite a few times, and
Speaker 3: just I mean he brought that back over over to us,
Speaker 3: and you know, being around them for like holidays and
Speaker 3: stuff and watching them on like Boxing Day and all that,
Speaker 3: and that kind of kind of started for me. And
Speaker 3: so it was it was a good go when I
Speaker 3: first started watching with with Hazzard and you know, getting
Speaker 3: the you know, Champions League in twenty but past previous
Speaker 3: year or so has been kind of kind of brutal.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's interesting that, you know, it's just sort
Speaker 1: of thinking and thinking there that maybe you're the next
Speaker 1: guy in the Dodgers, right with the Chelsea connection, that yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the next guy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I mean he's treating that's gonna bean.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of the same attitude he said with
Speaker 3: with Chelsea is just you know, buying everybody. I want
Speaker 3: wonder how much of Enzo's contracted deferred now, but I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the contract deferrals are every Also, the other thing
Speaker 1: Will is you're not a seventeen year old Brazilian those
Speaker 1: are those are the only players that told Boy signs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: aging aging relievers. So you're at the wrong end of
Speaker 1: your career.
Speaker 3: And old for his projects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. It's going to say here your guys,
Speaker 1: but you're right out there with with Eaton Hazard.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's where we started him, Diego Costo,
Speaker 3: like Marcus Alonzo and all all the good and as
Speaker 3: Bloquetta and I mean when they had when they had Kepper.
Speaker 3: I would much rather have Kepper right now with all
Speaker 3: the trouble he gave us over.
Speaker 1: He's doing all right, all right, yea having.
Speaker 3: A pretty dark good year actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh yeah. And we were saying just before
Speaker 1: we started recording that we were going to ask you
Speaker 1: about Cole Palmer. I'm in Manchester right now, so you
Speaker 1: know he's the guy, the one that got away from
Speaker 1: from City. So yeah, he's your guy right now. Palmer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he I'd never seen a guy come
Speaker 3: in and just completely you know, change a team like
Speaker 3: he has, Like I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 3: he eats for bread. I mean he probably chips for breakfast.
Speaker 3: He's got, you know, nothing going on up there, but
Speaker 3: sometimes that's what you gotta. That's that's like the right attitude.
Speaker 3: It's like your kitchen basketball like there's nothing like attached
Speaker 3: to the sport. It's like I'm I'm good, I go
Speaker 3: kill it. And then it's like, all right, you know
Speaker 3: what am I doing for dinner time or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just thinking about horses.
Speaker 3: In he yeah, alright, ready to go home. Like that,
Speaker 3: that's the same attitude. It's it's crazy and yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a guys, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He certainly is living in Manchester. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys like him here, but they don't have his
Speaker 1: talent on the football field. So what it is that
Speaker 1: they're doing with their time, who knows. Brilliant. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure we might come back to Chelsea. We might not,
Speaker 1: but let's how we'll keep us, keep us posted. We're
Speaker 1: saying at the start, my team a rubbish football team.
Speaker 1: No one wants to hear about them. They creep into
Speaker 1: this podcast far too often. A second manager today, So
Speaker 1: maybe you can give us a bit more joy on
Speaker 1: the football front. And whilst we have this conversation, so yeah, Will,
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been an eventful year for you.
Speaker 1: We're outlined a little bit at the top, so you know,
Speaker 1: started starting with the grand Stand back in April, make
Speaker 1: your big League debut. You know, fast forward nine months
Speaker 1: and you're you're on your third team. So how how's that?
Speaker 1: As a player, that's that must feel like an absolute
Speaker 1: rollercoaster to be going through in real time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to say the least, I mean kind
Speaker 3: of going back to soccer like the last year jal
Speaker 3: Felix has had, you know, Barcelona, Chelsea, back to Spain,
Speaker 3: back to Chelsea now loan to Milan today, which kind
Speaker 3: of sacks I like him. But uh yeah, like I've
Speaker 3: been with the Royals since twenty and no like semblance
Speaker 3: of like the worst thing I had is like, oh,
Speaker 3: am I gonna get like called up to double or
Speaker 3: triple A? Or am I gonna like performing poorly? Am
Speaker 3: I gonna go back down? Like stuff like that? But
Speaker 3: you never, like never once did the thought cross my mind, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go to a whole new team,
Speaker 3: meet a whole bunch of new people, like all the
Speaker 3: guys in the system, like all my best friends are here,
Speaker 3: so it's like, you know, that sense of comfort and
Speaker 3: like haven't had to like move round a whole lot
Speaker 3: and then boom, trade dead like comes last day. I'm
Speaker 3: like all right, like I haven't done a whole lot,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just hanging out. I got gotten on
Speaker 3: the bus to go to Chicago's. We were playing the
Speaker 3: White Sox and I got a phone call from JJ
Speaker 3: and I look at my phone and like, oh no, oh,
Speaker 3: like me and the guy who was sitting next to
Speaker 3: you saw his name pop up. More like I just
Speaker 3: got traded, and you know, like that kind of turned
Speaker 3: turned the season on on its head a little bit.
Speaker 3: But uh, I mean it was a good month getting
Speaker 3: getting over to Oakland. Got some opportunities up there that
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would have if I had stayed
Speaker 3: in Kansas City, just because what they're looking for at
Speaker 3: the time and like trying to you know, make a
Speaker 3: playoff push and all that. So it was good that way,
Speaker 3: and then you know, they give me the opportunity to
Speaker 3: go to Seattle. But yeah, like I think my wife
Speaker 3: counted we moved eight ish times last year, like debut
Speaker 3: back down to Omaha, back up, back down, back up
Speaker 3: a third time when they got hurt. Traded then to
Speaker 3: Vegas and it's easy. And then now you know, traded
Speaker 3: to Seattle. So it's people don't see that that side
Speaker 3: of it, how much like movement, movement is going on
Speaker 3: behind the scenes and all that. But uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it made us realize we got a pack liner this year,
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Say you actually got a message from your u GM.
Speaker 2: First you didn't find it out via a Jeff pass
Speaker 2: and tweet that you were being traded.
Speaker 3: No, I got, I got the I got the text,
Speaker 3: and then I got oh, I got I got a
Speaker 3: phone call, and they're like, yeah, we're getting her seg.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I mean that's very he's pretty good.
Speaker 3: So uh took my took my butt over to Oakland
Speaker 3: and then yep, and then this last one, I mean
Speaker 3: the last one was a little more of a shock
Speaker 3: because like, obviously I had just gotten traded Oakland. You know,
Speaker 3: I thought there was gonna a little more time here. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, just having gotten here and and all that.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know it's they they signed Hosey the Clerk,
Speaker 3: another good player, you know, one Texas a ring. So
Speaker 3: it's like you know they're trying to improve and it's
Speaker 3: part of the part of the game. And so hoping
Speaker 3: Sattle is the.
Speaker 1: Fit we've got, We've got our fingers crossed for you.
Speaker 1: So we want to talk a little bit about what
Speaker 1: that means for you in terms of the off season
Speaker 1: during during the course of of this conversation, but before
Speaker 1: we get into how your off seasons being, how you
Speaker 1: approach it, and how or whether that's changed with the Mariners,
Speaker 1: the place to start with with someone like you Will,
Speaker 1: who call up is so recent is is to to
Speaker 1: start with that story. It's always like, it never gets
Speaker 1: boring listening to big leagues talk about you know what
Speaker 1: what what what their particular circumstances were when they found
Speaker 1: out that it was the tap on the shoulder for
Speaker 1: them today.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure other other people have, you know, cool
Speaker 3: like call to the manager's office video recording. You know, hey,
Speaker 3: you want to go point the big league story, but no,
Speaker 3: we uh, we had had a ten am start for
Speaker 3: Paul Skian's day. It was our I think either Tuesday
Speaker 3: or Wednesdays. You know, we do uh, we do like
Speaker 3: kids' days, and it just so happened. We point the
Speaker 3: Indians Triple A in so we're paul skiing, so is
Speaker 3: packed out. Kids don't schemes. I think I will intimidate
Speaker 3: because he gave his first run. But no, we had
Speaker 3: we had ten to nam game done by like one
Speaker 3: or two, and so we were just hanging out. I
Speaker 3: was playing video games with my roommate, you know, I
Speaker 3: was eating eating dinner. I think it was like nine o'clock,
Speaker 3: nine nine thirty, eating Chipotle in our apartment, and I
Speaker 3: get a call from our manager like, hey, you gotta
Speaker 3: go to Kansas City tomorrow. They got a day game.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you serious. He's like no, I'm
Speaker 3: just kidding I but he's like, no, you got to
Speaker 3: go to Kansas City tomorrow. They got like a one
Speaker 3: o'clock day game. You know they need it. They need
Speaker 3: an arm out marsh at the time, it got hurt,
Speaker 3: but uh you don't. You don't care how you just
Speaker 3: you only care when you get to go up. So
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'm gonna go. But my
Speaker 3: wife had our car, so it's impossible to move around
Speaker 3: with two cars. And she was, you know, still back
Speaker 3: home in uh In, Missouri, finishing up school. And so
Speaker 3: I'm like I don't have a car, Like what do
Speaker 3: I do? And so like try to get a rental
Speaker 3: car like ten thirty pm and try to get all
Speaker 3: that in order. And so I don't don't think I
Speaker 3: went to bed until well think I tried to go
Speaker 3: to bed until like twelve. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: ever did really go to go to bed, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. It was. I mean the conversation is pretty
Speaker 3: funn I won't do my Jersey impression, but it was it.
Speaker 3: He yeah, he was just like kind of messing with
Speaker 3: me a little bit, and it was but actually you
Speaker 3: got to get there by like ten am Tomorrow's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. And it was it was like I
Speaker 3: had the whole day to find this out and it's
Speaker 3: like ten pm now and it's stressing out about all this,
Speaker 3: you know, couldn't couldn't sleep. But uh, like it's not
Speaker 3: the in your mind, like you picture like getting called
Speaker 3: into the manager's office and like everyone saw like Jackson
Speaker 3: Holiday get caught up and and and stuff like that. Uh,
Speaker 3: but it's like no, you just get a phone call
Speaker 3: from your manager at ten pm and show up the
Speaker 3: next day. But uh, it was great. Uh when that
Speaker 3: first game ended up being a five inning rain out,
Speaker 3: So that was a fun first one to experience. Uh
Speaker 3: but uh no, was you know, it was? It was great.
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't trade that for for anything. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't anything like crazier the ones you see on
Speaker 3: social media. But you know, everyone, everyone's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that you came out of the clubhouse
Speaker 1: that day on Skien's day, packed out. You probably didn't
Speaker 1: think that you were going to be the one of
Speaker 1: the two of you. Was he was going to be
Speaker 1: on a big league within the next week or so.
Speaker 3: I mean, no, that's a good way to think about that.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go, right. I mean it may
Speaker 1: have something to do with the nickel and diming of
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, but but you're a big league before
Speaker 1: pol Skien, so you'll always have that.
Speaker 3: I'll hold that over him. Yeah. And it was funny
Speaker 3: too because I knew I'm from Indy and that's where
Speaker 3: the Indians Triple A is and so I knew a
Speaker 3: couple of those guys like they're from my area back
Speaker 3: home that I had trained with one. So it's like
Speaker 3: and he was starting like two days later, so like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I was excited to get to like watch
Speaker 3: him start and like you know face one of my buddies,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, I'd rather be going doing this,
Speaker 3: but I'm sorry, I'm sorry I missed that. But no,
Speaker 3: it was it was pretty pretty pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wouldn't hold that over you. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you you went into a pretty good clubhouse at that time.
Speaker 1: You know that the beginning of last year that was
Speaker 1: a smoking hot team, one of the best in baseball.
Speaker 1: It must have been a fun clubhouse to be joining
Speaker 1: when when that team was was really rolling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. I mean you had a good group
Speaker 3: of like old pitchers like with Lugo Waka Will Smith
Speaker 3: in the in the bull and like all those guys
Speaker 3: had so much experience. Uh, and then you had like
Speaker 3: the young guys with Reagan's Alec marsh Singer and then
Speaker 3: all the other guys like with Zipa and some of
Speaker 3: the other ones in the bullpen MacArthur and like all
Speaker 3: those guys were great to like help on both ends,
Speaker 3: like the experience, you know, the youth. But then you're
Speaker 3: just going outside and it's just Bobby and he's like
Speaker 3: he's like the heart and soul of the team, and you're like,
Speaker 3: how is he doing everything that he's like doing at
Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five. It's I mean, it's the
Speaker 3: craziest thing you'll ever see on a baseball field. And
Speaker 3: I mean I remember one one of those games. It's
Speaker 3: it was I think we're playing the Mariners, and we
Speaker 3: were down like seven through like the seventh or eighth inning.
Speaker 3: We're down seven like the first inning, and then we
Speaker 3: came back and it's like where Bobby hits like a
Speaker 3: double in the gap and he just like flies and
Speaker 3: like it has like that Superman picture of him diving
Speaker 3: to third base and end up coming back and winning
Speaker 3: like nine to seven with like a walk off hit,
Speaker 3: and it's like he kind of gets the whole team going.
Speaker 3: And then you get in the clubhouse and he's like
Speaker 3: a kid like there's no like he's no like there's
Speaker 3: no like uptight, like I'm better I three hundred million
Speaker 3: dollar contract like kind of attitude. It's he's having fun
Speaker 3: playing baseball, like it's a backyard game for like thirteen
Speaker 3: year old kids, Like it's it's great and it kind
Speaker 3: of makes you take to have that same attitude too,
Speaker 3: which definitely helped like the whole team. Uh, just kind
Speaker 3: of having fun with it.
Speaker 1: Amazing to hear, like I was gonna ask specifically about him,
Speaker 1: but you sort of beat me to the punch. It's
Speaker 1: it's amazing that guy who has that he just has
Speaker 1: that aura, doesn't he like he you know that he
Speaker 1: is him thing like that that applies to to Bobby Wait,
Speaker 1: like he's he's a superstar on and off the field,
Speaker 1: but then you know, amazing to hear that he's just
Speaker 1: you know, one of the guys just a do for
Speaker 1: a kid in the clubhouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's like he's he's so nice and like
Speaker 3: he's welcoming and I mean he's just like a friendly
Speaker 3: to everyone too, which you don't see all the time
Speaker 3: with some of these superstar Like some guys are serious
Speaker 3: to keep themselves, which you know works too. But to
Speaker 3: have like a guy that you want to be like
Speaker 3: the face of your franchise and to also be like
Speaker 3: one of the best clubhouse guys in the game, like
Speaker 3: that all plays a role in the team's success and
Speaker 3: in the future success that they'll have with him.
Speaker 1: And he mentioned when I first brought up the clubhouse
Speaker 1: guys like Walker, guys like Seth Lugo, Will Smith. It
Speaker 1: must have been a of an education for you to
Speaker 1: be sharing a bullpen with those guys, to to be,
Speaker 1: you know, picking up tips and drinks guys, you know,
Speaker 1: particularly guys like like Lugo who totally reinvented themselves. Right,
Speaker 1: you must just be signing and watching and thinking, right,
Speaker 1: how do I how do I get some of this
Speaker 1: through a rebuff on me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I remember I like first couple of days
Speaker 3: in camp, like I was, I would play catch with
Speaker 3: Lugo and the guy has he had twelve different pitches.
Speaker 3: I swear he had two fastballs, two change ups, two sliders,
Speaker 3: two curveballs, uh you know, a cutter like it was,
Speaker 3: and he would throw them all and they'd all be sharp,
Speaker 3: and they'd all be you know, in the general area
Speaker 3: he wanted them to be. And I'm like, what, like
Speaker 3: how like some some guys, He's like, yeah, well I
Speaker 3: just added this one, and you know I added that
Speaker 3: one in the pottery that I could just do whatever
Speaker 3: I wanted. And so that's and so he started throwing
Speaker 3: them all in game, and you know, like what he
Speaker 3: would throw to, like what side the hitter, what kind
Speaker 3: of hitter, you know, stuff like that, but everyone knows
Speaker 3: he's got like just an absolute bang over curveball. So
Speaker 3: that was more what I what I talked to him about,
Speaker 3: and so I definitely got some some tips and tricks
Speaker 3: for that just being around them, but just like how
Speaker 3: they prepare, Like I mean, you've seen the picture of
Speaker 3: them going over his notebook like post start, like all
Speaker 3: the starters in the dugout like going over and it's
Speaker 3: like that just kind of attitude, uh, and like what
Speaker 3: he brings or what him and like walking other guys
Speaker 3: would bring to like scattered port meetings pre series and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Was was really great to see.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say, was there any familiar faces
Speaker 2: though when you went into there? Was there anybody that
Speaker 2: you'd played with at the lower levels that you didn't
Speaker 2: feel like you were walking in a room and being like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I don't know anybody here.
Speaker 3: Yeah? There were there were definitely some obviously like Massy Vinnie,
Speaker 3: like we were all on that high team together. Who
Speaker 3: else we have? Mikel was on that team. Uh who
Speaker 3: they have? I mean? And MJ was gone, Dyron was there,
Speaker 3: Blanco and then like Arthur I'd played with and Triple
Speaker 3: the year before, and then like Stettter was Mitch Stetters
Speaker 3: end up being the ball coach, had worked at the
Speaker 3: complex for a couple of years, and so it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: seeing those faces and then you know, getting to be
Speaker 3: around him and big League camp and stuff and getting
Speaker 3: familiar with them there too helped. And so yeah, that
Speaker 3: that helped. He definitely be a little less nervous, which
Speaker 3: was great because you know, it's it's still the same game,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot more pressure at that level. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, having having those guys around definitely helped.
Speaker 1: And and it's just circling back back to logo for
Speaker 1: a second. Was there anyone that he and Walker? Was
Speaker 1: there any any hitter who you like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about this guy? What am I doing with this guy?
Speaker 1: When when you when you when you were in the
Speaker 1: back of Seth's notebook, who was it that you were
Speaker 1: trying to get the hit? The tips and anyone that
Speaker 1: he had? Those guys helped you get out.
Speaker 3: No, It's it's hard to attack hitters the way he does,
Speaker 3: because I mean, I was different you down twelve pitches, right, No,
Speaker 3: I'm like I've got fastball, kurbal slider, he's got four
Speaker 3: seam sinker cutter, giro sweeper, twelve six slur circle change splitter,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, uh and so, no, it was there
Speaker 3: wasn't anything like in particular, just kind of like more
Speaker 3: how he worked like hitters, like in and out, up
Speaker 3: and down, you know, makeing a little triangle like you
Speaker 3: want to go up down, love side, down armside, and
Speaker 3: just kind of like working kind of working hitters in
Speaker 3: those different ways, and you know how he would go
Speaker 3: about like just you know, help with help with the
Speaker 3: curveball too, because that was a big thing, like just
Speaker 3: be on the land it a little more. And so
Speaker 3: just hearing him talk about that, uh was was definitely
Speaker 3: helped my game when I got up there, and helped
Speaker 3: me be a little more like calm and kind of
Speaker 3: understanding how to prepare and stuff.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Vinnie Pascantina. I'm assuming that that's you mean
Speaker 1: by Vinnie, And I was going to come on to
Speaker 1: talk to you about one of your colleagues in Oakland,
Speaker 1: but I haven't quite put two and two together that
Speaker 1: that you you shared a clubhouse in the same season
Speaker 1: with the two great d H slash first basement tweeters
Speaker 1: in currentmational Baseball in Vinnie Pascantina and Brent Rooker. Uh
Speaker 1: you know that that that is an elite group that
Speaker 1: you managed to be in the middle of that ven diagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh. Their their social media is what any
Speaker 3: athlete aspires. Uh I'm not I'm not a Giant Jets fan,
Speaker 3: so I don't get half of any stuff. But uh,
Speaker 3: now the whole what the life is is presence has
Speaker 3: taken on with you know, with the past watch and
Speaker 3: kind of all that. It's really funny and that's I
Speaker 3: think that's how like player should interact with fans and stuff,
Speaker 3: and you know, like Brent and everything he does on
Speaker 3: on Twitter and TikTok and Instagram, and it's all really
Speaker 3: really funny and and good to see that those guys
Speaker 3: have like that personality and are able to communicate effectively
Speaker 3: with fans and fans aren't just giant uh you know,
Speaker 3: aren't are interacting with it in like an appropriate way
Speaker 3: and not being just rude and stuff towards them, which
Speaker 3: is which is good.
Speaker 1: Oh the modern game though, isn't it right? You guys
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you're building your brand right. We
Speaker 1: were RUSSA and I were fortunate enough to talk to
Speaker 1: Tyler Gillham, who's the coach of the Savannah Bananas, And
Speaker 1: I think they've had quite a lot of impact on
Speaker 1: guys in Major league clubhouses, even even through this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, haven't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's another topic.
Speaker 1: But you won't push you.
Speaker 3: No, I've got I've got my opinions on on the
Speaker 3: Bananas that mainly around one thing in particular. But no,
Speaker 3: I remember when I was playing something ball in the
Speaker 3: north Woods, like that was one thing that I wanted
Speaker 3: to go play for him because you know, like they
Speaker 3: weren't quite yet what they are now, but as they were,
Speaker 3: they were still a summer ball team, but they like
Speaker 3: had they're selling out, they had all this cool gear,
Speaker 3: you know, they were doing cool promotions and all that,
Speaker 3: and then it's kind of, i mean, turn on its
Speaker 3: head and like taking a life of its own, like
Speaker 3: with the whole like Harlem Globetrotters like them and the
Speaker 3: party Animals thing, which is which is really cool. And
Speaker 3: they're selling out stadiums, which is which is cool. And
Speaker 3: you know a lot of stuff they do is is
Speaker 3: really sweet. And they're just out here in Arizona. And
Speaker 3: you know, I saw guys at at Target their day
Speaker 3: wearing like Savannah banana shirts like adults. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess it's not you know, just just for like
Speaker 3: young kids and stuff. And and I like what they
Speaker 3: do you know with their with their ticket sales and
Speaker 3: all that, not letting resellers get ahold of them. And
Speaker 3: so they do a lot of good things. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the bananas stuff is how he's turned that
Speaker 3: into that kind of businesses just absolutely crazy. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: they do a great job on on TikTok too, Like
Speaker 3: I see a lot of stuff and they got a
Speaker 3: lot of interaction with fans like that's you know, that
Speaker 3: kind of works together with what they do in game
Speaker 3: and all the all the dances and stuff, and that's
Speaker 3: that's really cool to see. At least.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that you played in the Northwoods League.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in in some co collegiate pool. Like
Speaker 1: I think it's just a part of baseball that people
Speaker 1: over here in the UK just just don't know, right
Speaker 1: if they know if they know it, it's all they
Speaker 1: know the cake and that they know it just because
Speaker 1: of the tradition out there in New England. But it
Speaker 1: really is like super competitive, right, you know, to get
Speaker 1: onto these rosters, you've you've got to be a really
Speaker 1: strong player, and it's it's an opportunity for for players
Speaker 1: like you to hone your skills and to showcase yourself
Speaker 1: to professional clubs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I was never good enough to go to
Speaker 3: the Cape. Would have been cool, but uh my brother
Speaker 3: actually had to play in the Cape Cod League, which
Speaker 3: was sick. But yeah, like my my first year of
Speaker 3: summer ball was just playing like a like the Midwest
Speaker 3: League with the Danville Dans and the small town in Illinois,
Speaker 3: which is great and you know, it definitely helped me
Speaker 3: for that year. But like their good leagues, like you
Speaker 3: got Cape, you got the New England Baseball League, you
Speaker 3: have the north Woods, the I don't know what the
Speaker 3: one the Savannah Banaz used to be in, but like
Speaker 3: there are a couple like top leagues that it's like
Speaker 3: all right, like I'm I'm from eastern Illinois and you
Speaker 3: got guys from Kentucky like a Bama like LSU, like oh,
Speaker 3: we had to play with Ole Miss like all these Arkansas,
Speaker 3: like all these top teams and you're like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is kind of what that's like, you know, and so
Speaker 3: and just summer balls like different, so much different than
Speaker 3: college ball, just like you're just on your own, like
Speaker 3: no school, like kind of just having fun, which is
Speaker 3: a little different, but like just being around getting to
Speaker 3: be around like that those like upper level college guys like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, like it's a little harder than what I've
Speaker 3: what I've been doing, but uh yeah that I mean
Speaker 3: playing in the north Woods is I feel like what
Speaker 3: really got me drafted after junior year or like got
Speaker 3: eyes on me because I might have had like a
Speaker 3: one ear a then forty not forty, it's like thirty
Speaker 3: innings or something over that summer. And so I was like,
Speaker 3: and I gott in call. That's when I started getting
Speaker 3: calls from agents or like people to not agents, that's
Speaker 3: gonna sound bad. Well, and I also thing now but
Speaker 3: uh from people wanting to be my advisor and then
Speaker 3: turned into my agent. Like I was, oh, like that's
Speaker 3: what this is like now, and you know, like and
Speaker 3: then that's kind of what got Scouts started talking to
Speaker 3: me in the fall or like at games then and
Speaker 3: then that turned into people coming to like spring or
Speaker 3: like fall stuff and then spring and then you know
Speaker 3: while watching you during the season and that like that's
Speaker 3: a huge way to get eyes on you that you
Speaker 3: might not get like your small school, like especially for
Speaker 3: guys like you would have some D two, D three
Speaker 3: and AI guys that are studs, and but you're not
Speaker 3: probably getting the same looks as you would be at
Speaker 3: like one of those or then in the Ull Star
Speaker 3: Game or like in the showcases they have for it,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, that's a that's a that's a huge difference.
Speaker 3: Like I don't yeah, I don't know if there's really
Speaker 3: any equivalent for it in like other sports and stuff,
Speaker 3: because like NBA doesn't really have like a we they
Speaker 3: have the summer League, but it's not the same, like
Speaker 3: you're those already pros. Like I don't know if those
Speaker 3: guys go play like collegiate summer basketball and stuff, so
Speaker 3: they might actually I don't know, but uh, it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's something different and gives you a good opportunity
Speaker 3: to be exposed other guys and just and it's fun
Speaker 3: just to go play. Keep playing baseball year round kind
Speaker 3: of gets boring in the summer not doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were playing make Sure in twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: before you went in back in for twenty twenty. That
Speaker 2: obviously was a very weird and bizarre season for absolutely
Speaker 2: everybody involved. I'd just love to hear a little bit
Speaker 2: from your perspective of obviously going through that being your
Speaker 2: year and then being going into the draft, because I
Speaker 2: imagine that that is just a very different experience to
Speaker 2: what a lot of players I've come through to kind
Speaker 2: of to getting drafted. You probably had like that full
Speaker 2: season a bit more of expectation. So how did how
Speaker 2: did that come round for you?
Speaker 3: Oh? God, that was Yeah, that was that was crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean I like going in the year, like we
Speaker 3: opened up at Arkansas, like I had a pretty good start,
Speaker 3: you know, like was getting some calls after that, I
Speaker 3: was like good, and then yeah, we had three or
Speaker 3: four like normal weeks, and then I was in snary
Speaker 3: biology class at the time, and so like one of
Speaker 3: the topics you're talking about, like the flu pandemic of
Speaker 3: the nineteen hundreds, and you're like looking at stuff like
Speaker 3: that and you like, oh, like you know, there's a
Speaker 3: small little disease run around, you know. That's I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's not going to be anything. And then you know,
Speaker 3: as we're going, we're seeing like you saw the IVY
Speaker 3: leagues they shut down all their sports, and then like
Speaker 3: some of these smaller leagues started shutting down, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's not going to affect us. Like no, like you know,
Speaker 3: big time we like conferences canceled, like their their sports
Speaker 3: for the year, and like we haven't seen a whole
Speaker 3: lot of baseball like related cancelations. And so we were
Speaker 3: playing Arkansas Pine Bluff, you know, we were on our
Speaker 3: fake spring breaks. We our spring break was originally a
Speaker 3: week earlier, and then the school moved the actual spring
Speaker 3: break back the week so we had scheduled our spring
Speaker 3: break trip and so we missed school for like an
Speaker 3: extra week before spring break, which was great. But we
Speaker 3: were like on the trip to Arkansas, about to go
Speaker 3: go play Murray State in conference, and we're stopped at
Speaker 3: a Windy's and we get a text from our coach
Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, season's canceled. We're going home, and
Speaker 3: we're just sitting there like what and yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: like yeah, like a bunch of leagues have made the
Speaker 3: decision to you know, can't cancel all games and that's it.
Speaker 3: We're going home. We'll let you know if you know,
Speaker 3: we're going to keep practicing or if anything will come
Speaker 3: about and all that, and so we just just kind
Speaker 3: of got on the bus and went home, and no
Speaker 3: one like really did anything the whole ride home because
Speaker 3: everyone's like the seniors are sad because that just took
Speaker 3: away their last year and like a bunch of the
Speaker 3: other guys are like like what do we do? And
Speaker 3: so got back. Yeah, we just drove back home and
Speaker 3: kind of sat around and then like nothing's coming of it,
Speaker 3: Come bring back all your gear and you know, we'll
Speaker 3: see you guys next year. And it was just like
Speaker 3: everything shut down, like you couldn't you couldn't get on
Speaker 3: any fields, you can't do anything like for some of
Speaker 3: us that we're going to go like into the draft
Speaker 3: and stuff, and so it's just kind of like you're
Speaker 3: season and boom, you have no resources, like no anything
Speaker 3: to like go throw or like anything like that. And
Speaker 3: so it was just kind of kind of put you
Speaker 3: on your head, especially for like such a such a
Speaker 3: big year as as twenty twenty was. And I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know how it was over over there. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you guys were a little more strict, but uh,
Speaker 3: it was still it was still pretty strict on our end,
Speaker 3: and we just like literally couldn't get on any fields,
Speaker 3: like throwing in parking lots, just just crazy stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's actually crazy, it's insane. And then and then in
Speaker 1: the middle of that, you were, you know, sorry, Russell,
Speaker 1: you just come off the northwards. You had a good
Speaker 1: start to the season. You're like, right, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be building my draft stock. Did you think, particularly when
Speaker 1: they had that like five round draft, you must have thought,
Speaker 1: well that sam'screwed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I have a funny one about that too,
Speaker 3: Like I had talked to some teams and there were
Speaker 3: good conversations, but like I I had, I didn't know
Speaker 3: if I'd done enough to get in the top five,
Speaker 3: because I mean, top five rounds is a bit different
Speaker 3: than forty. It's like forty, I'm like, all right, probably
Speaker 3: probably top the ten round guy, but I didn't know
Speaker 3: about five. And so, like one of the phone calls
Speaker 3: i'd had, I think it was with the Tigers at
Speaker 3: the time, They're like, yeah, we have you as like
Speaker 3: a sixth round guy right now, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 3: there's five rounds, like I don't I don't know how.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I fit in that. And they're
Speaker 3: like and some guys are like actually asking me like
Speaker 3: free agent like stuff, and I'm like, I would rather
Speaker 3: just go back to school. And uh, you know, so
Speaker 3: luckily the Royals, I know there was there would have
Speaker 3: been another phone call after the Royals if that hadn't
Speaker 3: happened in the fifth round. But you know, like just
Speaker 3: some of those phone calls leading up to that day,
Speaker 3: we're we're a little terrifying by hearing you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure we grade you in the fifth you know,
Speaker 3: well free agent talks like stuff like that, and so
Speaker 3: going into it was really scary. And then you know,
Speaker 3: watching the first day, you're like, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be here, you know. Uh. And so you get to
Speaker 3: the second day and you're going around three round four,
Speaker 3: you're getting like you're not hearing anything from agent. I
Speaker 3: hear them from teams, and I was sitting there like
Speaker 3: I was like shaking the whole day because like I mean,
Speaker 3: I didn't know my family was there, like they're all nervous.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then like the right at right at the end
Speaker 3: of the fourth round, like Asian called like, hey, you
Speaker 3: might get a call here. If not, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: a call like the start of the fifth and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: thank god. And then then my phone rang from a
Speaker 3: from Dayton moor And and Mitch Meyer with with the
Speaker 3: Royals and they're like, all right, we're gonna get you,
Speaker 3: you know, welcome. I was like, oh, kind of kind
Speaker 3: of like felt like a weightlifted there. And then my
Speaker 3: ear Yeah, I was gonna say my dad checked the
Speaker 3: tracker before any of that to see who actually got drafted,
Speaker 3: and he saw my name kind of spoiled it, but
Speaker 3: it was it was It was nice. That was That
Speaker 3: was one of the most nervous days of my life, though,
Speaker 3: just sitting there, you know, sitting there waiting for one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty guys get drafted and hoping you're one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: There you were, and the rest of the rest of
Speaker 1: the rest is history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, I mean, that feels like it was twenty
Speaker 3: years ago. Just I mean because even after that, you
Speaker 3: just go back to what you're doing, which was throwing
Speaker 3: in parking lot, lifting in a home, lifting in a
Speaker 3: gym that I had put in my house and then
Speaker 3: eventually like I went, I went back to to Indiana
Speaker 3: and started training there for you know, before they had
Speaker 3: the Royshale little camp and stuff like that. But for
Speaker 3: a while, there was just yeah, home gym and parking
Speaker 3: lot throwing and hoping that was enough.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's just absolutely crazy to even think back to
Speaker 1: what we were doing then and yeah, we didn't even
Speaker 1: have it anywhere near like that. I'm sort of let's
Speaker 1: sort of fast forward again to now or or more
Speaker 1: recent history. We talked a little bit at the top
Speaker 1: of the conversation about that moved to Oakland, and we've
Speaker 1: gone from one very bizarre situation you throwing in a
Speaker 1: parking lot and working out in your house too, you know, another,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, bizarre situation in baseballing terms, where you
Speaker 1: moved to a team on the brink of moving cities
Speaker 1: and there were no fans in the stadium, Like, how
Speaker 1: was that that must have been, like like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is COVID again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was really strange. Obviously, Like I
Speaker 3: wasn't there at the start of uh, everything that turned
Speaker 3: into the movement that that was Oakland, but uh, you
Speaker 3: know the ones that were there, were great. They were
Speaker 3: welcoming first day at the stadium, Like I did like
Speaker 3: a on air thing with with their broadcast guys and
Speaker 3: got to you know call Bingo numbers, which is pretty fun.
Speaker 3: But you know, the hardcore fans that we were still
Speaker 3: showing up, we really appreciate, you know that they were
Speaker 3: great and they were really friendly, and you know, you
Speaker 3: could but you could hear the ones that were protesting,
Speaker 3: which was kind of funny because there was no one
Speaker 3: there and they're just yelling through the entire game. But
Speaker 3: uh yeah, it was. It was really weird because you
Speaker 3: kind of lose some of that ajournaline, especially when we
Speaker 3: played the White Sox and they were on like that
Speaker 3: twenty game losing streak and you're like there and you're like,
Speaker 3: all right, we just lost to them and broke their
Speaker 3: losing streak and there's like fifty people here, like it
Speaker 3: just it just it just felt like a high school
Speaker 3: game a little bit. Uh yeah, Like there was maybe
Speaker 3: like the front, like a couple of seats were full,
Speaker 3: like a thousand people maybe, but nothing for this giant
Speaker 3: former like NFL Stadium that's like this holds forty thousand people,
Speaker 3: like it was yeah, a little a little sad too, honestly,
Speaker 3: because you're I mean, you used to having a bunch
Speaker 3: of fans and you know, baseball is a great fan
Speaker 3: sport and there's no one wants to come watch it.
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, you can't understand the reasons.
Speaker 3: But it, uh yeah, definitely felt like fell like covid again.
Speaker 3: And then then when we play the Dodgers and it's
Speaker 3: ninety percent Dodgers fans and there's like twenty thousand people there,
Speaker 3: You're like, okay, we're back a little bit, but it's
Speaker 3: it's like all Dodgers fans are like, yeah, screw but
Speaker 3: uh yeah, no, that was that was a really weird
Speaker 3: situation to kind of get thrown into.
Speaker 1: We keep seeing Will sort of like his eyes just
Speaker 1: lighting up. Chelsea's good. I don't think they have no no, but.
Speaker 3: I thought something was gonna happen there. But now, so we.
Speaker 1: Want to talk to you a little bit about about
Speaker 1: what an offseason looks like again, a bit like a
Speaker 1: bit like the Northwoods League and collegiate summer baseball. I
Speaker 1: think it's just something that the average fan sort of
Speaker 1: takes a granted, doesn't really think about but what does
Speaker 1: it look like for you? You know, you talked a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier on about some of baseball was great
Speaker 1: because it meant you were playing baseball all the time,
Speaker 1: Like are you or are you after a fashion you
Speaker 1: know what, what's what's a day look like for you
Speaker 1: on on a given week during this part of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'll just start at the beginning, like
Speaker 3: because when that season, like the last game of the
Speaker 3: season hits, like and you go home and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: what I like your day life for the last eight
Speaker 3: months is not going to happen for the next four
Speaker 3: or five months. It's it's like a culture shock, and
Speaker 3: you know what happens every year when you get back
Speaker 3: into it. Then like when you when you're done, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: now we got to wait four or five more months
Speaker 3: for another game, Like it's kind of sad. And then
Speaker 3: you get in a routine of like training and like
Speaker 3: preparing for next year, and like as soon as you
Speaker 3: start like getting ready again, like flies by, like I
Speaker 3: feel like yesterday was, you know, October first, and now
Speaker 3: we're sitting first week of February. Camp starts next week
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, thank god, it's back, but then
Speaker 3: the blink of Lilli, it's gonna be gone again. So
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy, but uh, you know, like I don't
Speaker 3: wally going to train about ten ten thirty, I'll you know,
Speaker 3: wake up, make breakfast here and I'm an asy So
Speaker 3: I would be closer to Mesa where the A's were,
Speaker 3: but luck luckily the Mariners are also in Arizona. Would
Speaker 3: have been a kind of a pain trade to a
Speaker 3: Florida team after moving out here for the off season.
Speaker 1: Finally nine for you and your wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah part of it. Yeah, I would have been part
Speaker 3: of it, but uh yeah, we kind of thought that's
Speaker 3: why we've got a flexible apartment in case we had
Speaker 3: to move. But uh, you know, yeah, go and train, So,
Speaker 3: like I normally just do some I do some static stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, get moving around, and then I'll move on
Speaker 3: to like bands, get the shoulder ready, and then drive
Speaker 3: Line has you know, a list of like fly out
Speaker 3: of drills and stuff based on like a motion capture
Speaker 3: that you do at the start of the year and
Speaker 3: then halfway through which kind of gets your like biomechanical
Speaker 3: analysis and can tell you your efficiency is what you
Speaker 3: do really well and kind of can go about like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we need to attack this with baseball drills, attack this
Speaker 3: with mobility. Attack this was its strength and and running stuff.
Speaker 3: And so just I would go through probably have normally
Speaker 3: like three or four different drills, and you go through
Speaker 3: that with a couple of different overweighted underweighted balls. Get
Speaker 3: the arm going, you know, you can go play catch whatever,
Speaker 3: do your Then they have a series of arm care
Speaker 3: stuff like based on that, and so you go do
Speaker 3: that and then that's your throwing. And then once you're
Speaker 3: done there, I would go, you know, I go do sprints,
Speaker 3: red balls like jump pliometric stuff, and then you get
Speaker 3: get in the weight room and then normally I'm I'm
Speaker 3: done for like two two thirty ish, and I come
Speaker 3: home and I'm like what now?
Speaker 1: Uh and hopefully a Chelsea game? Oh yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: I think Russell and I know what's happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jared Bowen, Yeah, he's uh, he's someone else, that guy.
Speaker 3: He's such a good player too.
Speaker 1: He's so good, isn't he.
Speaker 3: Oh damn? Oh? Who's Emerson with an assist too?
Speaker 1: Oh no, so Rustle, I'm gonna hand over to you
Speaker 1: because like, like I think I think Will's touched on
Speaker 1: on some of the things we wanted to to ask about.
Speaker 1: Without this would be one of the easiest conversations ever
Speaker 1: because you just start talking about things that we don't stop,
Speaker 1: and I feel that's a good thing. But I knows Russell.
Speaker 1: Russell loves loves the analytics stuff. So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you the floor, big man. You follow up
Speaker 1: on some of that some of that stuff that Will
Speaker 1: was saying there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really interesting because obviously, like you talked
Speaker 2: earlier on I think then ry the start where you
Speaker 2: talking about getting those tips from from like from logo.
Speaker 2: But I really love to be like when you were
Speaker 2: at college, like how what was that level of like
Speaker 2: using of like track man and those facilities, and then
Speaker 2: what real difference did you kind of first find when
Speaker 2: you had zero and then when you got to you
Speaker 2: got to like the miners, where you then just like, oh,
Speaker 2: here's like a completely different way of actually like tracking.
Speaker 1: What you're doing.
Speaker 2: Or was it still similar in some regards?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in college we had radar guns. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I can't think we had a whole lot. Else you
Speaker 3: might have had a rapsodo. This was before track man.
Speaker 3: Track Man's like taking over rapsodo. But this is back
Speaker 3: when you know, rap soda was number one and all
Speaker 3: of that, and so we we might have had one.
Speaker 3: I don't that's pushing it though. Maybe yeah, we definitely
Speaker 3: had a raapsode. Didn't we in college? I don't know,
Speaker 3: But but the place I would train at UH in Indiana,
Speaker 3: we had rapsodo and trackmen and that was kind of
Speaker 3: where I first got introduced to like pio balls and
Speaker 3: and all that stuff like that. And so my training
Speaker 3: in the off season I had used tech and stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's not anywhere what it is today. It was,
Speaker 3: oh hey, like you're like that was back when the
Speaker 3: spin rate was the big thing. It's like, well, your
Speaker 3: spin rate sucks, but uh, you throw kind of hard,
Speaker 3: so you know it's a trade off. But then yeah,
Speaker 3: you think it gets better in pro bawl. But like
Speaker 3: the first couple of years with Kansas City, like they
Speaker 3: were a little more old school, and so a lot
Speaker 3: of it was like not there wasn't any biometric like
Speaker 3: drills programmed, or there wasn't a whole lot of use
Speaker 3: of tech. There was like a radar gun, but you
Speaker 3: didn't have a whole lot of information about like your
Speaker 3: movement profiles and stuff like that. And so that kind
Speaker 3: of changed with the with the d when they moved
Speaker 3: dating out and JJ took over and they hired Redman
Speaker 3: I can't remember his first name, but Freeman took over
Speaker 3: like the pitching development stuff, and you know, he started
Speaker 3: writing programs that were based around like your deficiencies or
Speaker 3: your proficiencies and like you know, getting really good atway
Speaker 3: you do well and kind of getting less bad at
Speaker 3: what you do poorly kind of thing. And you know
Speaker 3: he took over and you started that's when in twenty two,
Speaker 3: like twenty two maybe, yeah, I think it was twenty
Speaker 3: two when he started writing writing programs. You're like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is this is better now and you're getting stuff
Speaker 3: that's more like designed to you, like tailored made instead
Speaker 3: of stuff that was more cookie cutter, you know, in
Speaker 3: previous years. And so that kind of took a turn there.
Speaker 3: And you know, they were still buying the eat ball
Speaker 3: because the Dodgers had been they were not necessarily Dodge,
Speaker 3: but like some teams had been you know, doing that
Speaker 3: for five ten years, had their labs and stuff, and
Speaker 3: so it's like all right, we're playing catch up now,
Speaker 3: but it's better than not trying it all. And you know,
Speaker 3: it turned out good. Like I liked a lot of
Speaker 3: what he had and kind of turned it around for
Speaker 3: me in twenty three and you know, just working on
Speaker 3: the little things instead of just going out and playing
Speaker 3: catch but like having intentional things to work on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: like when I first got there, there wasn't a whole
Speaker 3: big introduction of here's all this tech, like what to
Speaker 3: do with it? How to make it you better? Is
Speaker 3: it was not quite anti tech, but there was definitely
Speaker 3: a lack of it when I got there. But you know,
Speaker 3: then throughout the years they started encompass incorporating a little more.
Speaker 3: And then you get up level and they start using
Speaker 3: more like high it was like were just how hard
Speaker 3: you throw? And you know, oh, here's your movements. And
Speaker 3: then you start going up and it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: here's how they play off each other. All right, this
Speaker 3: is how you can make them better, tweak the movement
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And so like the higher up
Speaker 3: you went, like you saw a little bit more introduction
Speaker 3: of like more advanced tech stuff.
Speaker 1: And is that something that you've sort of taken on
Speaker 1: yourself away from the programs. Is it because you know
Speaker 1: this is this is like the sort of the meme
Speaker 1: of every off site off season is you know so
Speaker 1: and so's at drive line they're working on a new pitch.
Speaker 1: Or is it very much prescribed by by by the
Speaker 1: club that you're working with at the time, how they
Speaker 1: want you to approach any given day.
Speaker 3: I think definitely, like when you're the Miners, like it
Speaker 3: was more prescribed, like they tell you what they want.
Speaker 3: But I mean, being on my third team in the
Speaker 3: last six months, it's like, well, I got I got
Speaker 3: to figure out what I need to do in order
Speaker 3: to make the team. And so being taken in a
Speaker 3: little more of the onus on yourself and how you
Speaker 3: go about and what you need to improve. And then
Speaker 3: obviously like there are things that like the A said,
Speaker 3: recommend it, but it's now like, all right, well, what
Speaker 3: are what are the Mariners gonna want? And so I
Speaker 3: know they do detailed player plans and what they have
Speaker 3: in mind for guys, and so I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: what that is when I get when I get in
Speaker 3: there for spring and so I'm excited for that and
Speaker 3: I know, you know they've done a great job with
Speaker 3: some former Royals and just other other pitchers in general,
Speaker 3: and have a great track record for that. And they're
Speaker 3: kind of on the opposite ends of what I came
Speaker 3: into pro ball tech and like pitching wise, and so
Speaker 3: it'll be it'll be good to you know, get get
Speaker 3: in their lab. I know, yeah, I know they have
Speaker 3: a lab and they do a good job with arms,
Speaker 3: so that'll be exciting. But uh yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 3: been a lot of what I saw last year that
Speaker 3: I needed to adjust and work on. One of it
Speaker 3: was just like getting getting healthy and stuff like that too,
Speaker 3: so that that plays a role, not hurting it's a
Speaker 3: big one.
Speaker 2: So sorry, no, I was gonna say, like, obviously then
Speaker 2: that gives that do you have that flexibility to work
Speaker 2: on a new pitch that maybe isn't being taught to
Speaker 2: you or they aren't saying, like, you know what, the
Speaker 2: way that you your rob struct raise, the way that
Speaker 2: you pronate your wrist like you should work on a cutter.
Speaker 2: Do you get a chance to be like you just
Speaker 2: had that spit talking about with Seth Lugo, to work
Speaker 2: on a curveball or see someone else's grip and be
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm going to spend like ten
Speaker 2: pitches for the next like two or three weeks just
Speaker 2: seeing if I can throw this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have that flexibility absolutely, but a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of mine was like I've the shapes and
Speaker 3: you know I throw it goes hard and the curveball,
Speaker 3: you know, moves. Well. It's just like for me, it's
Speaker 3: like doing that over and over and you know, the execution,
Speaker 3: being able to execute multiple you know locations, pitches in
Speaker 3: a row, and you know, executing for a whole bet
Speaker 3: or for a whole any like that's the important part
Speaker 3: for me now, not necessarily like some guys like go
Speaker 3: revitalize a career out of pitch, but like my whole
Speaker 3: thing's always just been throwing more strikes and so that's
Speaker 3: that's the big one. And just you know, part of
Speaker 3: that's getting rid of some deficiencies, some stuff that makes
Speaker 3: it less repeatable and just kind of like smoothing out
Speaker 3: and making a little simpler. And so that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of that was. And just being more like attack minded,
Speaker 3: like go get them in the zone and not being
Speaker 3: kind of as timid because you kind of lost that
Speaker 3: a little bit, uh through the through the year last year,
Speaker 3: and so part of that's been been that and just trusting,
Speaker 3: you know, trusting in the zone and you know, knowing
Speaker 3: that you're capable of drowing strikes, which everyone is most
Speaker 3: of the time. It's it's mental. So it's been a
Speaker 3: bit more of that, or and trying to add a changeup,
Speaker 3: which was what the A said best for. But now
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: So I was going to say, have they have they
Speaker 1: been in touch with you to say what it is
Speaker 1: that they want from you? Or are you Are you
Speaker 1: sort of waiting until until you get into camp, because
Speaker 1: you know you touched on it in a previous answer,
Speaker 1: you couldn't really be going anyway better in terms of
Speaker 1: maybe Cleveland would be the only other place that would
Speaker 1: be on the par in terms of tinkering with pictures
Speaker 1: and turning them into you know, mindjet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland's done a good job. I know when my buddies,
Speaker 3: Timmy Haren was in that bullpen last year, I trained
Speaker 3: with him and in Indianapolis in like nineteen and twenty,
Speaker 3: and I mean he's counting with him. But yeah, they've
Speaker 3: turned out some monsters with him and Kate Smith as
Speaker 3: young guys and obviously like Class A and and the
Speaker 3: other guys that fill out those roles. But yeah, they
Speaker 3: kind of do a good job over there. But no, they,
Speaker 3: I mean they it was what the trade was like
Speaker 3: a week and a half ago, so they, I mean
Speaker 3: they're like, we'll have a player planned ready for you
Speaker 3: when you get here in spring, and you know, stuff
Speaker 3: we're gonna attack or kind of like what you what
Speaker 3: we want you to thinking about and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And so I mean, there wasn't a whole lot of
Speaker 3: time left in the off season anyways to really change
Speaker 3: the focus that I had had already. So we I mean,
Speaker 3: most will just be kind of what adjustments they see
Speaker 3: like once I start throwing for him there, And so
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that'll be. Uh, you know, looking
Speaker 3: at all their arms, they all have a lot of
Speaker 3: them have two different fastballs, so that would be maybe
Speaker 3: something had a sinker, something kind of goes right because
Speaker 3: all of my stuff goes left, or no, I had
Speaker 3: I had worked on the change I had thrown in
Speaker 3: twenty three in double A, and so maybe adding one
Speaker 3: of those again, but you know, I'm not not too sure.
Speaker 3: But you know, whatever it is, I'll just I'll give
Speaker 3: a really good old college try and just have faith.
Speaker 3: I mean, they know what they're doing and they crush it,
Speaker 3: so it makes it a little easier to trust them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And so it is it is a week
Speaker 2: away from the going out to spring training. Obviously it's
Speaker 2: going to be different last this year than last year.
Speaker 2: But like, how does that kind of that ramp up
Speaker 2: thing actually go Because we we hear like pigeons and
Speaker 2: catchers report, and we see some videos of everyone throwing
Speaker 2: around for hours, but we kind of don't see like
Speaker 2: from from from your mental side, like coming into it.
Speaker 2: It's like how quickly do you then build up that
Speaker 2: workload from kind of like what you've been doing in
Speaker 2: the off season or is it still quite steady for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: No, it takes a pretty well, like I've been going
Speaker 3: like I threw live on I through Live on Friday,
Speaker 3: face hitters for the first time, and then I'll face
Speaker 3: hitters again this week on Wednesday, and then like it,
Speaker 3: I mean games going you fast, like pitt your schedule report,
Speaker 3: the twelve full team work out, the eighteenth, and then
Speaker 3: games and twenty first and you're like, oh crap, and
Speaker 3: so like getting able to face hitters on your own
Speaker 3: and then we get there, it'll probably be a bullpen
Speaker 3: or two live abs and then boom games. And so
Speaker 3: it's like it happens quick and you gotta be ready
Speaker 3: for it, especially like guys in my situation, like trying
Speaker 3: to make the team out of camp and you know,
Speaker 3: just being ready and having your stuff ready to go
Speaker 3: fight for those spots and you know, like it's still spring,
Speaker 3: guys know, like you're not going to be mid season four,
Speaker 3: but having the attitude and you know, thinking like prepping
Speaker 3: to be in the right spot to go compete for
Speaker 3: a job and so kind of in the off season,
Speaker 3: it's all on you. Like I built up with bullpens
Speaker 3: since when I start bullpens maybe like early December, mid
Speaker 3: December ish, and you're throwing them once a week, and
Speaker 3: then you move to like twice a week, and then
Speaker 3: you move to like higher intent bullpens. Now you're throwing
Speaker 3: all your stuff, be high in tent and then maybe
Speaker 3: you're doing one day like spend stuff one day like
Speaker 3: location tracker and stuff like that. And so there's different
Speaker 3: emphasis emphasis. I don't know how to plural that one works,
Speaker 3: but there's there's different like somewhat, Yeah, one of those two,
Speaker 3: but there's yeah, there's different focuses, but the like the
Speaker 3: back lines the same, like you want to strikes. But
Speaker 3: one day, you know, work on like the tracker and
Speaker 3: at tracks your average misses and tells you and say,
Speaker 3: all right, well work on getting better with those in
Speaker 3: the zone. Or sometimes it's just like a light pin
Speaker 3: where you're working on spending stuff and I feeling that,
Speaker 3: or sometimes like you're working on like your pitch shapes
Speaker 3: and all that, but the you do a couple of
Speaker 3: those and it's working up and then the intensity starts building.
Speaker 3: Now you've got like four like twenty five or thirty
Speaker 3: pitch you know, n pans for a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: and then you know turning last week, I threw a
Speaker 3: bullpen Tuesday and then went live Friday, and then this
Speaker 3: week going live Friday and then or live live this Wednesday,
Speaker 3: and then taking into camp on Tuesday hoping hopefully they're
Speaker 3: own bullpen and some hitters there.
Speaker 2: No, that's amazing, And you talk about if you build
Speaker 2: this up and then that's that mental side when you
Speaker 2: actually get on the mound and you're actually like playing
Speaker 2: in a game, like I play really bad basically baseball
Speaker 2: here in the UK as in like it's a little
Speaker 2: almost like a level of people that all learned when
Speaker 2: they were adults, not like when they were kids or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I could throw I don't know, sixty tops and
Speaker 2: it's like but you get on the mound and suddenly
Speaker 2: I'm like, I play at third base, I can hit
Speaker 2: first base. I get on the mound, I can't even
Speaker 2: throw it and the catcher's glove. Like just talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about that, that mentality that you have to
Speaker 2: have when you're on the mound to like just shake
Speaker 2: off a bad pitch and get at it with like
Speaker 2: the next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a big one too. You kind
Speaker 3: of learn going through the mind. It's like it seems simple,
Speaker 3: but a lot of guys don't realize. You just got
Speaker 3: to take it like one pitch at a time. Like
Speaker 3: there are a couple of times when you go you're
Speaker 3: in a game and you go one two and you're
Speaker 3: like I'm ahead, and then you don't execute two pitches
Speaker 3: and your three two and you're like, oh shit, like
Speaker 3: how do I get here? Like that sucks, Like I
Speaker 3: can't do that. Instead of being like oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: excute this pitch and make sure I don't walk them.
Speaker 3: Like it's the difference between thinking about the past two
Speaker 3: months or thinking about the current one. Uh, and so
Speaker 3: like just being like within yourself and like focusing on
Speaker 3: each pitch versus worrying about like the outcome instead of
Speaker 3: like I'm going to execute or like what if he
Speaker 3: hits this, Like you don't. You might not think it,
Speaker 3: but that does have a huge outcome like effect on
Speaker 3: the outcome of the pitch, Like it might make it
Speaker 3: might like you might let off at the end because
Speaker 3: you're worried, or like you might try to make it
Speaker 3: like too nasty because you're scared he's gonna hit like
Speaker 3: your normal one suff and stuff like that. And so
Speaker 3: that's a that's a big thing too, especially when you
Speaker 3: get to the major leagues, Like there is some of
Speaker 3: that that keeps in your mind and you just got
Speaker 3: to be able to eliminate it and focus on each
Speaker 3: pitch that you're throwing and knowing that you will throw
Speaker 3: strikes and you're going to dominate the hitters. And that's
Speaker 3: like that mental part of it is probably the biggest
Speaker 3: separator at that level. And the consistency, but part of
Speaker 3: those two go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: On do you also have like the opposite side, So
Speaker 2: like when like you'll remembers like nailing it, do you
Speaker 2: can you get like a level of overconfidence and like
Speaker 2: just throw something bad or you if you feel like
Speaker 2: everything's going well, you're not going to maybe like trying
Speaker 2: to think about it as much like every single pitch
Speaker 2: you just like, dude, everything is just working today.
Speaker 3: Dude. Ah. I feel like it goes either way because
Speaker 3: sometimes you're like crushing or like all right, don't fuck this, Oh,
Speaker 3: don't mess this up. Sorry, and and then the second
Speaker 3: you think that you mess it up, it's like you're
Speaker 3: jinxing yourself. But if you're just like focused, like focus
Speaker 3: on your breathing and focused on like executing each pitch
Speaker 3: and stead of looking back at like your collective work
Speaker 3: you've already done and be like, oh, that's really good,
Speaker 3: don't mess it up, or you're like, I'm just going
Speaker 3: to make this pitch now instead of like instead of
Speaker 3: the don't mess it up thing, And so like if
Speaker 3: you kind of go on that second one, you're going
Speaker 3: to keep performing and so just being able to get
Speaker 3: yourself out of the headspace is a big one because
Speaker 3: like it's the whole thing, like guys have thrown like
Speaker 3: you're throwing an Immacula inning, or you've got a no
Speaker 3: hitter going on, or it's like you come in after
Speaker 3: a starter's throwing a no hitter. You're like, oh, don't
Speaker 3: mess it up, don't mess it up, don't mess it up,
Speaker 3: and then that only leads to you messing it up
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, damn it. But uh, or it's
Speaker 3: like I'm just going to go do it. And so
Speaker 3: like that, being able to flip the switch of like
Speaker 3: thinking about the past or think of like going about
Speaker 3: this one pitches does definitely play role in that.
Speaker 1: And was there anyone in the games that you played
Speaker 1: with the Royals or the A's last year that you
Speaker 1: were on the mound and this guy dug in and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh it's him.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I mean face to the Padres and got machado,
Speaker 3: uh tatis and arias and like the same inning, because yeah,
Speaker 3: they hit like five singles in the inning and I figured,
Speaker 3: I mean I found out I was tipping some stuff
Speaker 3: to after. But that was That's a tough one to
Speaker 3: get through when it's not going your way, and you're
Speaker 3: like yours in Profi hits a perfectly placed back door
Speaker 3: curveball for a single down the line, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: Luca Rias hits a fast ball like one one fastball
Speaker 3: like two feet off the plate that should have been
Speaker 3: a ball for a double down the line, You're like
Speaker 3: all right, uh. And it's just like sometimes stuff doesn't
Speaker 3: go your way and you're just getting guys that you're like,
Speaker 3: he's that's manny Machado, that's tatist. Like sometimes you do
Speaker 3: think about it and you're like, all right, well, you
Speaker 3: can't think about it because you know you're playing against
Speaker 3: him right now, and so, but there are definitely times
Speaker 3: when you think about like, oh, that's not it's not
Speaker 3: the right attitude to have. But sometimes it does, you know,
Speaker 3: get to you a little bit, not get to you,
Speaker 3: but kind of like you realize it in the moment,
Speaker 3: but uh, it is it does. I mean your your
Speaker 3: face off against them, which is really cool, like you
Speaker 3: can look back at it like afterwards, but you got
Speaker 3: to get out of the mode of like thinking about
Speaker 3: it when you're on on the mound, for sure.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned briefly there that you you were tipping
Speaker 2: your pitches, like did you like how quickly did either
Speaker 2: like you notice or the other team notice, or did
Speaker 2: you like until you go some feedback from from your team.
Speaker 3: Oh so I'm not gonna say what it was, but
Speaker 3: the Royals, uh, they they talked to me the next stick,
Speaker 3: so I like, well, I came up as like was
Speaker 3: I tipping? And they're like, yeah, we actually saw something
Speaker 3: like here, let's go talk about it. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: like just and the well one main one was if
Speaker 3: like you're coming set with the guy on second not
Speaker 3: showing them inside your glove. Yep, that's a pretty easy one,
Speaker 3: especially like you spike a curveball like you can see
Speaker 3: the finger and so just closing that off was a
Speaker 3: big one. And there there was something else but that.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: There's another one that just amazed me. I was like,
Speaker 3: how does anyone see that? But uh, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was pretty quick though, which was good. And then
Speaker 3: I threw it again against them and it went well.
Speaker 3: I was like okay, or face no. I threw against
Speaker 3: the Marritors and it went while I was like okay, good,
Speaker 3: So it kind of it kind of helps you like
Speaker 3: maybe I don't suck. Maybe there was something they're seeing,
Speaker 3: you know, But but you know, there are guys on
Speaker 3: both teams that are paid to look if they're if
Speaker 3: their pictures are tipping, if the other pictures are tipping,
Speaker 3: and like how quickly they can figure that out? And
Speaker 3: really that and that's a big part of it too.
Speaker 3: That's that's changed over the past couple of years as
Speaker 3: guys on teams like strictly with that job.
Speaker 1: No, that's a basic as will. You've been incredibly generous
Speaker 1: with your time. We're probably gonna let you get off
Speaker 1: and hopefully watch the second half comeback of your your
Speaker 1: marthless poison play. Well, what one more question for you
Speaker 1: before you go? We know you're on the hunt for
Speaker 1: your one one MLB draft potch card. How's it going?
Speaker 1: Has it come yet? No, you need to put out
Speaker 1: an offer. Where's where's the thirty years of home play seats?
Speaker 1: Where's where's the meal with Livy done? What's what's what's what's.
Speaker 3: I'll give it. I'll give them a day with my
Speaker 3: cats and then they can have that. We'll go to
Speaker 3: a Chelsea game together or something. But uh no, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen it. I like all the guys that you
Speaker 3: know track like on Instagram and stuff, and like all
Speaker 3: the one on one trackers, like I've let them know
Speaker 3: and they know that I'm looking for it, and I
Speaker 3: check eBay and my mom like looks for it and stuff.
Speaker 3: And so like when when that set first came out,
Speaker 3: we're like, all right, it's gonna pop like in a
Speaker 3: week and you know we're gonna get it and we're
Speaker 3: gonna be set. And then it didn't pop. Me like,
Speaker 3: all right, people are still open it because people wanted
Speaker 3: the schemes, and then schemes was found by that eleven
Speaker 3: year old and then now you're like, well that's the
Speaker 3: biggest chase. A lot of the good ones are gone,
Speaker 3: like people are gonna stop opening it as much, and
Speaker 3: so like it's just the hopes dwindling, uh that we're
Speaker 3: gonna find that, which is sad, but you know, maybe
Speaker 3: one day it'll pop. Uh, who knows. I'm still looking
Speaker 3: for like my draft like one on one cards which
Speaker 3: never showed up either. So I got got a couple
Speaker 3: of cards on on the hunt that I'm on the
Speaker 3: hunt for.
Speaker 2: But uh, that's a collector somewhere who's just like doesn't
Speaker 2: like report any of their stuff, just being like I've
Speaker 2: got all of my lovely Will Clyde and stuff.
Speaker 3: I love him. They p s all my cards and
Speaker 3: just don't tell anyone that's why they like yeah. But
Speaker 3: I feel like the second anyone's pulled one of those,
Speaker 3: like the draft cards, it gets posted because I mean,
Speaker 3: those are they're sick cards and they're so hard to find.
Speaker 3: It's like you have to show that you you found one.
Speaker 3: And uh, Like I keep seeing all my friends get
Speaker 3: theirs polled and I'm like, oh, here you go, like
Speaker 3: you just got pulled, like this is sick, Like go
Speaker 3: buy it, and they're like all right, or like check evans,
Speaker 3: like guys you played against They're like, oh that's so cool,
Speaker 3: Like please sure, but.
Speaker 1: Well we'll put the word out here in the UK.
Speaker 1: I doubt many of those boxes have made it across
Speaker 1: the Atlantic.
Speaker 3: But baseball wax being ripped over there.
Speaker 2: There's a few key boys over here, definitely. It's the
Speaker 2: thing is generally the sad side is that it's even
Speaker 2: more expensive to get it over here because you've gotta
Speaker 2: ship it over as well as just buying the boxes, so.
Speaker 3: You guys get all the good soccer product that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, and we and we we have a good
Speaker 1: market in trading. I traded a David David Boatie Myrtle
Speaker 1: Beach Pelican's boating boat faced bobble head for of all things,
Speaker 1: a Wolverhampton Wondrous scuff. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if I've ever thought those two
Speaker 3: things would.
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't when they get when when I said,
Speaker 1: when I said to the guy, is there anything I get?
Speaker 1: I can get you? I was not expecting the text.
Speaker 3: That came back to me David Body Myrtle. He was
Speaker 3: he's a nice guy. He was in Triple the past
Speaker 3: couple of years and they called him back up. But
Speaker 3: it's good. But that's great to hear.
Speaker 1: I just wanted it because because it has boat you
Speaker 1: make boat face, which made me laugh like a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been awesome to chat to you. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for your time. Wishing you absolutely all the best
Speaker 1: for camp next week with the Mariners, and we'll be
Speaker 1: following your progress, hopefully on the twenty sixth month throughout
Speaker 1: the season. If not, if you end up in Triple A,
Speaker 1: your catch is going to be our sweetheart. Isn't it us?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 1: I would say so Harry Forward.
Speaker 3: I met him in the at the Futures Game and
Speaker 3: twenty three is really nice guy.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That would be a like we
Speaker 1: do want you to be in the big league team,
Speaker 1: but that would be a fun battery, you know, one
Speaker 1: that we definitely have a big rout and interest in
Speaker 1: because Harry is Harry is our superstar over here in
Speaker 1: the UK. Thanks British his mum and dad both British.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh really he plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays for a place of Great Britain and
Speaker 1: played who is the our star in the World Baseball
Speaker 1: Classic RUSS which you were there, won't you?
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's really cool six Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He's he's some boy. So I say high to him
Speaker 1: for us next week. And if people want to follow
Speaker 1: along with your journey Will over the course of spring
Speaker 1: training or over the course of this season, where's the
Speaker 1: best place to keep up with you.
Speaker 3: I've started posting a little more on Instagram, so that's
Speaker 3: it's Will climb without all the vowels, so it's just
Speaker 3: wl kal then and then I use Twitter a lot
Speaker 3: in the off season, but come season I try to
Speaker 3: I try to stay off it, so I delete Twitter.
Speaker 3: So not a whole lot on there, but that's that
Speaker 3: is my name. It's will Cline zero on there as well.
Speaker 3: So those are probably the two best spots if you
Speaker 3: want to see anything, but most of the stuff probably
Speaker 3: probably goes on Instagram.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be in the same way that
Speaker 1: with Finnie Best Contino. It's a lot of Jets. It's
Speaker 1: just a lot of Chelsea. So that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of Chelsea, a lot of man Man
Speaker 3: you hate, so.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the right that's the right thing to
Speaker 1: say for sure. Well, thanks so much for your time
Speaker 1: and hopefully you we'll catch again to
Speaker 3: Yep, thanks for having me.